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| 00:31.46 | *** topic/#openembedded is OpenEmbedded/OpenZaurus developer lounge | User support in #openzaurus, #openembedded-ipaq, and (if applicable) #opie | Sourcecode snapshots available at http://treke.net/~bk/ | Python stuff also | http://www.hackles.org/cgi-bin/archives.pl?request=2 |
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| 00:33.26 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: hmm, not sure, probably wouldnt be too bad. we have a digraph in ram, just need to dump it to a file, basically |
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| 00:35.34 | W8TVI | Sleep is overrated |
| 00:35.44 | kergoth | ibot: sleep |
| 00:35.46 | | well, sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine |
| 00:36.55 | CosmicPenguin | Ugh - it can't find the path for patcher |
| 00:37.26 | kergoth | heh, adding xserver was pretty damn painless |
| 00:37.36 | treke|laptop | figures |
| 00:37.41 | kergoth | we're really gonna need a task-x11 or something |
| 00:37.42 | treke|laptop | now it just needs to do shit |
| 00:37.43 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:37.46 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:37.58 | treke|laptop | I imagine deviceisms are the bitch for it |
| 00:38.52 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: what you need is a display manager |
| 00:40.03 | kergoth | treke|laptop: it builds 3 servers. xfbdev, xati, and xnest |
| 00:40.06 | kergoth | gonna have to play with xati |
| 00:40.07 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: yeah |
| 00:42.36 | treke|laptop | xati? |
| 00:42.44 | treke|laptop | what is that? |
| 00:42.49 | pb_ | xserver for ati chips. |
| 00:42.56 | treke|laptop | radeons? |
| 00:42.59 | pb_ | yup |
| 00:43.03 | treke|laptop | ah |
| 00:43.12 | treke|laptop | so useless for the zaurus :p |
| 00:43.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:43.25 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I've got something you can play with - I wrote it for Pixil, but I'm acutally using it on the OZ Ipaq distro I did a few days ago |
| 00:43.26 | pb_ | ah, heh. yeah, probably. |
| 00:43.27 | treke|laptop | wonder how well it would work on this radeon 9600 |
| 00:43.36 | pb_ | it works ok on my radeon 9200. |
| 00:43.45 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.penguru.net/download/pdm-1.0.tar.gz |
| 00:44.20 | treke|laptop | I wonder if swsusp works on ppc |
| 00:45.00 | pb_ | me too. I think I need to reconfigure with bigger swap partitions to try it. |
| 00:45.22 | treke|laptop | how much swap do you need for it? |
| 00:45.35 | pb_ | that's where it saves your data, so presumably as much as you have RAM. |
| 00:45.40 | treke|laptop | cool |
| 00:46.48 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: hmm, looks interesting |
| 00:52.02 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: now, what would be involved in making something like this useful in a multiple gui on multiple vt environment? e.g. nano-x on vt2 and x11 on vt3 |
| 00:54.34 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
| 00:54.37 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a great question |
| 00:54.39 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:55.00 | Pendalar | that's enough to make anyone's head hurt |
| 00:55.40 | CosmicPenguin | Well, first step is that the GUIs need to be able to support being told where to start |
| 00:55.52 | kergoth | plugins should go in /usr/lib/pdm/plugins, sessions probably in /usr/share/pdm/sessions (non-arch specific) |
| 00:55.55 | kergoth | since binaries really dont belong in etc |
| 00:56.00 | kergoth | otherwise, this looks pretty spiffy |
| 00:56.03 | kergoth | and simple. i like simple. |
| 00:56.14 | kergoth | yeah, indeed |
| 00:56.35 | CosmicPenguin | I wanted something for Pixil that was universal - so it was a change of text files to switch between MW and Matchbox |
| 00:56.44 | CosmicPenguin | And I wanted a system that was touchscreen aware |
| 00:56.50 | mithro-lca | kergoth: Im going to run a BOF session on linux on handhelds at Linux.conf.au |
| 00:57.25 | CosmicPenguin | One change that needs to be made is support for setting environment variables before starting X |
| 00:57.32 | CosmicPenguin | Like for example TSLIB_TSDEVICE... :) |
| 00:58.08 | Pendalar | fresh full build time... |
| 00:59.12 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: picture using bootmenu to call a pdm instance with a specific configuration to get blahgui on the vt in question |
| 00:59.29 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: that would be ideal |
| 00:59.40 | kergoth | or make pdm multiple gui aware, and leave it running in the background, and i just poke it to start something |
| 00:59.52 | CosmicPenguin | if the config file gets much more complex, we might need to go for something already grown |
| 01:01.09 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.azzit.de/dotconf/ |
| 01:01.16 | CosmicPenguin | I've used libdotconf before with some good results |
| 01:02.07 | Pendalar | hmm no local.conf in this oe/conf.. can't remember if I created that or it was in the bk first time I got a pull |
| 01:02.21 | Pendalar | not here now anyways |
| 01:02.31 | CosmicPenguin | I would imagine something like Server[tty3]=foo |
| 01:02.36 | mithro-lca | kergoth: is there any horrible (hack) way to get a ctrl key? |
| 01:02.38 | CosmicPenguin | would work pretty well |
| 01:02.42 | kergoth | Pendalar: i wouldnt recommend ever putting local.conf there |
| 01:02.55 | kergoth | Pendalar: put it in conf/ off of the dir you're -building- in, not the oedir |
| 01:03.02 | kergoth | see packages/conf/local.conf.sample |
| 01:03.06 | Pendalar | it's been awhile |
| 01:03.20 | Pendalar | I had it set up and going.. then I decided to wack everything for fun |
| 01:03.27 | Pendalar | just to see if it would help / hurt |
| 01:04.42 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: well, depends on your approach. if you want to keep it simple, let pdm be an app to start a single gui per instance, and allow specifying an alternate configuration file on the cmdline, and let bootmenu manage who goes where, and getting it on the vt by specifying the opts for that gui in its pdm config |
| 01:04.48 | Pendalar | you still recommend taking the setting OEFILES in the packages/conf/local.conf out? |
| 01:04.54 | kergoth | Pendalar: yeah |
| 01:05.51 | Pendalar | hah qmake in this font looks like quake.. and I was like hell ya baby! |
| 01:05.57 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: it already supports a --config <dir> option |
| 01:06.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:06.49 | Pendalar | no revisions to CVS, so I'll probably have the same problem when it's all said and done |
| 01:06.59 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: thats cool. though i'd argue specying hte config file would be best, so you could pdm --config /etc/pdm/pdm.conf.x11, pdm --config /tmp/bootmenu.12351sfs/pdm.conf.opie |
| 01:07.08 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: or whatever |
| 01:07.22 | CosmicPenguin | did I say dir? |
| 01:07.27 | CosmicPenguin | I meant --config <file> |
| 01:07.33 | kergoth | oh okay, good |
| 01:07.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:07.42 | CosmicPenguin | There is a --dir <dir> that confused me |
| 01:08.06 | Pendalar | new files and I can't get the old ones to build.. makes me want a new computer |
| 01:08.13 | kergoth | cosmicpenguin: or, alternatively, you could move the handling of starting blahgui on vt# into pdm, and just have bootmenu tell it which vt to go on |
| 01:09.20 | kergoth | anyway, something to think about |
| 01:09.44 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: Definately. At least its out there, so we can use it |
| 01:09.48 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:10.13 | CosmicPenguin | I used it on the ipaq buecause task-x stupidly starts X in the rc.d, so the serial console goes buh-bye |
| 01:10.47 | Pendalar | yey more HGH refs =-e |
| 01:10.54 | kergoth | heh, yeah, opie does the same sort of thing |
| 01:14.05 | Pendalar | doh RH7.x and 8.0 is "dead" |
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| 01:14.26 | CosmicPenguin | treke: you see the changsets I sent in? |
| 01:15.43 | treke|laptop | CosmicPenguin: I didnt |
| 01:16.05 | CosmicPenguin | treke: its all there in glorious 1s and 0s |
| 01:16.10 | treke|laptop | cool. |
| 01:16.24 | CosmicPenguin | If you like it, my name is CosmicPenguin... if you didn't, my name is sorphin... :) |
| 01:16.31 | treke|laptop | ha |
| 01:19.32 | CosmicPenguin | Why is oe_matchinstall not found? |
| 01:20.34 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: update your 'oe' repos as well as packages |
| 01:20.42 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: that was something added to the core oeclasses |
| 01:30.48 | Pendalar | debian convertor! |
| 01:31.12 | Pendalar | coooool |
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| 02:22.11 | pole | i just built irk for arm with gcc 3.3.2 and copied it over to the inputmethods but it doesnt load |
| 02:22.19 | pole | and logread doesnt mention anything about why it didnt load |
| 02:22.32 | pole | can anyone tell me how to figure out why it isnt loading? |
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| 02:24.03 | pole | does opie just silently just fail to load stuff? |
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| 03:09.47 | ljp | burp |
| 03:16.40 | davic | oe build question. once I build the tars, how do I build zimage.bin and initrd.bin? |
| 03:17.09 | treke|laptop | oe only has a kernel for the c760 |
| 03:17.18 | treke|laptop | and it will not build a working jffs2 image |
| 03:17.20 | Pendalar | which is really biased |
| 03:17.27 | treke|laptop | Pendalar: feel free to add one |
| 03:17.34 | Pendalar | *cough* I mean that's a good first step ;-) |
| 03:17.42 | Pendalar | you don't want technological retards building kernels |
| 03:17.51 | davic | treke, so how did you build 336? |
| 03:17.55 | treke|laptop | the package is there. it needs defconfigs |
| 03:17.59 | treke|laptop | davic: with buildroot. |
| 03:18.12 | davic | ah, thought it might be that way |
| 03:19.02 | davic | is oeimage supposed to build zImage.bin? |
| 03:19.05 | treke|laptop | no |
| 03:20.03 | davic | initrd? |
| 03:20.20 | treke|laptop | oeimage mkes the equivalent of initrd |
| 03:20.35 | treke|laptop | It does not build one that will work on a zaurus though |
| 03:21.21 | davic | so go back to buildroot? |
| 03:21.33 | treke|laptop | if you want a working image then yes |
| 03:21.44 | treke|laptop | new development shoul dbe done in oe |
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| 03:22.22 | davic | I just want a font big enough in the Konsole that I can actually see |
| 03:22.31 | Al1i | is there a problem with the bk repository? |
| 03:23.11 | treke|laptop | Al1i: be more specific |
| 03:23.25 | Al1i | the public bk repository speficially, |
| 03:23.30 | Al1i | I can't seem to contact it |
| 03:23.56 | Al1i | nor view it online |
| 03:24.09 | Al1i | http://openembedded.bkbits.net:8080/oe/src?nav=index.html |
| 03:25.23 | treke|laptop | doent work from here |
| 03:26.19 | Al1i | treke, should I just grab the snapshots |
| 03:26.51 | treke|laptop | yes |
| 03:28.50 | Al1i | thanks |
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| 03:36.53 | Wembly | kergoth you round? |
| 03:37.06 | Wembly | anyone know what ipod's are supported via linux stuffish? |
| 03:37.38 | treke|laptop | isnt it just a firewire hard drive? |
| 03:37.50 | Wembly | err sorry |
| 03:37.51 | Wembly | ipaq |
| 03:38.03 | treke|laptop | www.handhelds.org |
| 03:38.19 | Wembly | thanx |
| 03:50.21 | Wembly | what is needed for support of a ipaq? |
| 03:52.28 | treke|laptop | a kernel |
| 03:57.10 | Pendalar | why must I install gtk, glib, pango, atk.. blah blah blah.. to convert an ogg to mp3? |
| 03:57.12 | Pendalar | =-e |
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| 04:21.14 | Pendalar | and X11.. |
| 04:21.16 | Pendalar | bastards |
| 04:21.23 | Pendalar | the sh script does nothing GUI based |
| 04:25.05 | ljp | just do mv *.ogg *.mp3 :) |
| 04:25.30 | Pendalar | lol |
| 04:25.32 | Pendalar | uh.. |
| 04:25.36 | Pendalar | it's a bit more complex .. |
| 04:31.43 | ljp | fine. be that way |
| 04:32.18 | Pendalar | well if it'd work I wouldn't care |
| 04:44.35 | TheMasterMind1 | http://static.hugi.is/video/fyndin/maestro.wmv |
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| 06:07.08 | treke|laptop | ugh. |
| 06:07.18 | treke|laptop | I hate it when you manage to get code working, then break it |
| 06:07.41 | treke|laptop | and then you cant figure out how it worked before |
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| 07:24.19 | Ludicrus | can sum1 help me pls? i want to get my wireless set up going on my zaurus sl-5600,im a total newbie,so pardon my stupidness if any...pls help...got all the hardware here...just need advise to get it up n runnin...Thanks! |
| 07:27.00 | treke|laptop | #opennzaurus |
| 07:27.07 | treke|laptop | openzaurus |
| 07:39.10 | ljp | hmmm |
| 08:00.13 | ljp | there is an election here coming up. It's rather interesting to see how the au gov't works. especially since aussies get fined if they dont vote |
| 08:01.16 | treke|laptop | that sucks |
| 08:01.51 | ljp | not really. it makes sure eveyone votes |
| 08:01.55 | treke|laptop | that sucks |
| 08:02.35 | ljp | holy cow. Roger Ramjet is on tv! |
| 08:02.54 | treke|laptop | I only want people who are want to make an informed decision voting :) not people who are just trying to avoid a $20 fine by checking a box |
| 08:03.00 | pasc | ljp: you can get out of the fine |
| 08:03.17 | pasc | ljp: you just need a resonable sounding excuse |
| 08:03.33 | ljp | sounds like they just set the elections whenever they want to |
| 08:03.53 | pasc | heh |
| 08:04.06 | pasc | They're supposed to do them no later than x months after the last election |
| 08:04.14 | pasc | but they can (and do sometimes) call them earlier |
| 08:04.20 | ljp | odd |
| 08:04.34 | pasc | why? |
| 08:05.27 | ljp | the US has set elections every Novemeber, and only in rare, special cases, like the one in Cali, do they call for an election. |
| 08:05.46 | ljp | and aussies dont vote for the prime minister! |
| 08:06.17 | ljp | they vote for the party, who votes for their leader |
| 08:06.36 | treke|laptop | yeah, the elections here are pretty predicatble scheduling wise |
| 08:06.55 | ljp | just a bit different from what I am used too. havent totally caught on to this system |
| 08:07.42 | treke|laptop | hmm |
| 08:07.48 | treke|laptop | I need this feature to work so i can go to bed |
| 08:08.15 | ljp | ~chant |
| 08:08.17 | | great googli-moogli! great googli-moogli! great googli-moogli! |
| 08:11.05 | ljp | did that help ya? |
| 08:11.08 | treke|laptop | nope |
| 08:12.31 | ljp | hmmm |
| 08:12.42 | ljp | thats odd. your even in california |
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| 08:25.34 | treke|laptop | cool. now it works |
| 08:26.01 | treke|laptop | app is slow as fuck now :) |
| 08:27.22 | treke|laptop | took something at worked quickly and forced it to go through an abstraction layer it was never meant to use |
| 08:29.40 | ljp | hmmmm |
| 08:29.49 | ljp | thats what chanting does |
| 08:34.06 | ljp | ummm. try the cmos |
| 08:34.20 | W8TVI | its a headless sever |
| 08:34.24 | W8TVI | server |
| 08:36.18 | W8TVI | ah |
| 08:36.19 | W8TVI | cat /dev/hw |
| 08:36.31 | W8TVI | temp.sys=32 |
| 08:36.31 | W8TVI | temp.cpu=49 |
| 08:38.40 | W8TVI | night |
| 08:39.45 | ljp | day |
| 08:44.09 | pasc | hmm |
| 08:44.17 | pasc | cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| 08:44.22 | pasc | temperature: 70 C |
| 08:50.02 | ljp | ouch |
| 08:51.25 | ljp | got an egg? |
| 09:08.16 | pasc | heh |
| 09:08.25 | pasc | at least this thing has cooled down enough to use it now |
| 09:08.42 | pasc | it didn't suspend when I stuck it in my backpack |
| 09:12.48 | ljp | hmmm |
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| 10:01.54 | ljp | cool, just learned japanese bombed Darwin in 1942 |
| 10:01.57 | mickeyl | good morning |
| 10:02.06 | ljp | hola |
| 10:02.47 | mickeyl | there is libelf,libmikmod,and much more, but then again, also readline and qte |
| 10:03.16 | ljp | doesnt seem like there is one, eh |
| 10:04.01 | mickeyl | seems so |
| 10:04.14 | mickeyl | nm, we can always bk mvdir |
| 10:04.17 | mickeyl | :D |
| 10:04.51 | mickeyl | hey it seems many early developers really got pissed by Sharp |
| 10:05.07 | ljp | yes, they did |
| 10:05.08 | mickeyl | a lot of Zaurus websites stop after 2002 something |
| 10:05.30 | ljp | yup |
| 10:05.31 | mickeyl | too bad, because it was those people who were responsible for a good part of the success of the Z line |
| 10:05.58 | ljp | most of the developers that attended the Sharp developer symposium, when they unveiled the zaurus also bailed |
| 10:06.55 | ljp | a few kde developers, like Ralf Nolden (spelling?) |
| 10:09.52 | mickeyl | yep |
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| 14:31.05 | kmarty | ah, atk_1.5.x is not in original repository :-) |
| 14:31.23 | kmarty | so everything seems to be ok |
| 14:39.30 | noidd | how did they piss them off? |
| 14:46.06 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:49.53 | noidd | good morning! |
| 14:50.07 | noidd | I did a silly, silly thing |
| 14:50.38 | mickey|lunch | hiho |
| 14:50.48 | mickeyl | what is it this time, noidd? :D |
| 14:54.36 | noidd | I assumed that the version of the sharp rom I had on my c760 was without any additional software |
| 14:54.40 | noidd | so I flashed to OZ |
| 14:54.50 | noidd | now i've learned that opera isn't normal |
| 14:54.57 | noidd | so i'm ytrying to hunt down an opera ipk |
| 14:55.18 | noidd | I have konq working fine |
| 14:55.31 | noidd | I need to be able to save files tho |
| 14:55.43 | noidd | Opera has that functionality, konq does not :-/ |
| 14:56.46 | noidd | google is my friend, or so it claims |
| 15:05.02 | mickeyl | noidd: take a close(!) look @ killefiz opera creator... |
| 15:05.08 | mickeyl | or download opera 7 from ibm |
| 15:05.12 | mickeyl | it's a free download |
| 15:05.21 | noidd | ah, ibm |
| 15:05.28 | noidd | that never would have occured to me |
| 15:05.39 | noidd | thanks, i'll do a search on ibm.com |
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| 15:14.53 | CosmicPenguin | Holy moley - when dic chouimat rate operator status? |
| 15:14.59 | CosmicPenguin | Has the world gone topsyturvy? |
| 15:16.04 | chouimat | hi CosmicPenguin I'm pleased to see you too |
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| 15:21.17 | pb_ | hi chouimat |
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| 15:22.06 | noidd | haha |
| 15:22.26 | noidd | methinks chouimat shoudl test his new operator status on CosmicPenguin :-) |
| 15:23.00 | chouimat | noidd: it's funnier on fishhead |
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| 15:24.42 | noidd | that made no sense to me at all, nevermind ;_) |
| 15:25.09 | noidd | same NICs? |
| 15:25.25 | chouimat | noidd: no |
| 15:26.14 | schurig | chouimat: same admin? |
| 15:26.15 | chouimat | noidd: according to the error message someone put a patch that don't catch some null pointer |
| 15:26.43 | schurig | chouimat: or same cat? |
| 15:26.51 | noidd | well, that would do it |
| 15:28.21 | chouimat | schurig: it's just frustrating ... you compile something for hours and you get a kernel panic ... or a segfault when you do ps ax |
| 15:31.30 | schurig | chouimat: a) use a good kernel b) make sure your powerline is ok c) remove your cat from your cabling area |
| 15:31.47 | chouimat | schurig: I'm updating the kernel now ... |
| 15:32.15 | schurig | chouimat: i never have had a segfault on my box ... |
| 15:32.47 | schurig | chouimat: d) replace RAM e) replace CPU cooler f) replace sysadmin |
| 15:33.15 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: can I see the ownership paper? |
| 15:33.49 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: its a symbolic ownership - at least unitl you deliver that damn app |
| 15:33.57 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ok |
| 15:42.52 | Disconnect | morning all |
| 15:43.02 | CosmicPenguin | ERROR: Build of ncurses failed, aborting. |
| 15:43.07 | CosmicPenguin | Most descripting error message ever |
| 15:43.46 | Disconnect | CosmicPenguin: read higher, it should say 'check this log for details' .. (although I'd really like to have some way of saying "screw logs, dump it to console") |
| 15:44.12 | CosmicPenguin | Disconnect: nope - its not one of those |
| 15:44.20 | Disconnect | ah |
| 15:44.34 | CosmicPenguin | Its a dependancy error - but Python and I are not on speaking terms right now |
| 15:44.40 | Disconnect | hehe |
| 16:08.13 | pb_ | hello kergoth |
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| 16:10.05 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:10.42 | CosmicPenguin | Its the MML |
| 16:12.09 | kergoth | mickeyl_away: the policy is to name the source package the way they name the upstream sources. |
| 16:12.23 | kergoth | mickeyl_away: -output- package naming policy needs to be established, which doenst need a bk mvdir :) |
| 16:17.14 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: what does it mean when you get an ERROR: build of <package> failed. Aborting. with no logs or anything? |
| 16:17.45 | kergoth | hm, i dont remember |
| 16:17.49 | kergoth | in what context? oebuild or oemake? |
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| 16:18.09 | CosmicPenguin | oemake |
| 16:18.18 | CosmicPenguin | The sucker just bails |
| 16:18.35 | kergoth | does it say anything before it? unsatisfied dependency, anything? |
| 16:18.51 | CosmicPenguin | I check the python, and it says something about failing graph.walkdown() |
| 16:19.17 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmm..... hold one |
| 16:19.21 | kergoth | k |
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| 16:22.25 | CosmicPenguin | I tried adding the mask, but I don't think that helped |
| 16:23.56 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe its the external cross compiler |
| 16:24.48 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: what package is failing? |
| 16:25.09 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: anything that needed compiling |
| 16:25.17 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: it ws the cross compiler |
| 16:25.50 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I was specifying TARGET_PREFIX="/user/toolchain/uclibc-i386/bin/i386-uclibc-" |
| 16:25.58 | CosmicPenguin | And it was getting upset for not finding binutils and stuff |
| 16:26.09 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:27.00 | CosmicPenguin | Argh - I thought I masked out binutils |
| 16:27.59 | CosmicPenguin | ok - lets see what happens when I let OE build uclibc |
| 16:28.20 | CosmicPenguin | but it definately doesn't seem to like specifying the external compiler |
| 16:28.28 | CosmicPenguin | unless |
| 16:28.57 | kergoth | i usually just add the bin dir to my PATH |
| 16:29.03 | kergoth | then set the prefix just to the bin prefix |
| 16:29.13 | kergoth | but i'm surprised having the path in the prefix doesnt work |
| 16:30.35 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: interestingly enough - when I mask out uclibc, it works |
| 16:30.44 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:32.52 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - it still tries to build glibc, and if I mask that out, it gets wicked pissed |
| 16:33.45 | Pendalar | you two are up when I go to sleep.. up when I wake... getting scary |
| 16:34.09 | kergoth | sounds like you sleep too much :) |
| 16:34.12 | CosmicPenguin | exactly |
| 16:34.22 | CosmicPenguin | get some coffee and get into the game |
| 16:34.42 | Pendalar | I'm in bed too much, but rarely involves sleeping |
| 16:35.05 | Pendalar | kid didn't sleep last night, wife frisky besides that.. was supposed to go to work today but I can barely see |
| 16:35.16 | Pendalar | besides I hallucinated all day at work yesterday |
| 16:35.30 | kergoth | heh, hallucinating at work is a Bad Thing(tm) |
| 16:35.50 | Pendalar | yeah esp when my job involves staring at handwritten numbers and putting them into the computer |
| 16:35.58 | Pendalar | doesn't take much to fubar the whole thing |
| 16:36.11 | kergoth | crap, forgot my cf reader at home again |
| 16:36.20 | Pendalar | for about 10 minutes I did put in numbers backwords, dunno how I managed that |
| 16:36.33 | Pendalar | had to redo that section =-{ |
| 16:36.33 | kergoth | doh |
| 16:36.51 | kergoth | i woke up this morning and couldnt get my eyes to focus on anything. was weird. |
| 16:37.20 | Pendalar | that's how I am on little sleep and have to use the company's comp |
| 16:38.08 | Pendalar | the moniter is crap, completely dirty (it is a mill after all) and set back about 2 feet from my eyes than my moniter would be |
| 16:38.21 | Pendalar | and it's a 15 inch moniter I assume.. I know it's not 17 |
| 16:38.39 | Pendalar | have to slam the space bar and a few other keys =-/ it's sad |
| 16:38.50 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 16:39.28 | Pendalar | on top of that, it's 233mhz and they keep at least 10-15 word docs and about 4-5 excel spreads open all the time |
| 16:39.33 | Pendalar | so it runs like poo =-e |
| 16:39.55 | Pendalar | I plan on buying a cheap laptop and taking it in |
| 16:44.15 | Pendalar | so since I can't go to work, I have high hopes for cvs building |
| 16:48.30 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:48.30 | kergoth | hey mickeyl |
| 16:48.44 | mickeyl | hi kergoth |
| 16:50.26 | mickeyl | kergoth: can you give that guy who recently asked on openzaurus-devel a minimal introduction where to start with oz-kernel developing? i dunno about his talents, but he seems to be motivated :) |
| 16:50.56 | kergoth | yeah, sure |
| 16:51.10 | kergoth | we really need a Contribution page on openembedded.org/openzaurus.org |
| 16:51.21 | Pendalar | and a paypal link |
| 16:51.29 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 16:51.38 | kergoth | we have paypal links, but they're per developer on the contact page |
| 16:51.50 | kergoth | no global project account |
| 16:52.00 | kergoth | er credits page i mean |
| 16:52.38 | treke | hehe. someone emailed me wanting to send money |
| 16:52.39 | mickeyl | kergoth: I'm gonna add a libqpe next. do you vote for qpe or libqpe as the package root directory? |
| 16:52.44 | Pendalar | well really you'd need to offically be an .org or something before you'd want many hands in a pot |
| 16:52.54 | kergoth | Pendalar: yeah |
| 16:53.00 | kergoth | mickeyl: hmm, probably libqpe |
| 16:53.24 | mickeyl | yeah, thought that as well. although it bites with qte. but then again... what's in a name :D |
| 16:53.56 | Pendalar | I thought OE was now openzaurus-devel |
| 16:54.04 | Pendalar | guess I need to join yet another Z channel |
| 16:54.08 | Pendalar | dang you people ;-) |
| 16:54.17 | kergoth | well, the upstream maintainer decides what to call the upstream sources |
| 16:54.22 | kergoth | we decide what to call the output packages |
| 16:54.23 | treke | openembedded-devel and openzaurus-devel are still seperate lists |
| 16:54.48 | treke | kergoth: I thought mickeyl was the upstream maintainer :p |
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| 16:54.54 | kergoth | heh, he is |
| 16:55.03 | kergoth | just saying, qte is outside our control, we shouldnt use it as a guideline |
| 16:55.11 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 16:55.13 | Pendalar | I'm on the lists.. thought you meant a "staff" IRC channel |
| 16:55.17 | kergoth | it isnt expected that there'll be naming consistency among disperate source packages |
| 16:55.17 | Pendalar | it's the lack of sleep, sorry |
| 16:55.19 | treke | we could change that :) |
| 16:55.45 | treke | all those in favor of mickeyl taking over maintenance of qte say aye |
| 16:55.51 | mickeyl | hah you bet |
| 16:56.25 | mickeyl | i wouldn't hesitate to work for them after Ph.D though |
| 16:56.39 | mickeyl | s/after/after my |
| 16:56.47 | kergoth | since ti has tuition reimbursement, i think i might go back to school |
| 16:56.58 | chouimat | hmmm nice weather -51C with the wind factor |
| 16:57.26 | kergoth | heh, 59F here |
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| 16:57.52 | treke | 58F |
| 16:58.16 | chouimat | kergoth: sorry but I don't understand F :) |
| 16:59.22 | mickeyl | F is... a very bad mark |
| 16:59.27 | mickeyl | I'm used to getting A's :D |
| 16:59.31 | chouimat | mickeyl: lol |
| 17:01.33 | Pendalar | so who's going to the opening of MagLev |
| 17:03.31 | gb2 | it's 5F here |
| 17:03.49 | gb2 | tonight it'll supposedly get down to -12F |
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| 17:09.27 | mickeyl | kergoth: can i restrict fetching from a cvs to just one directory? e.g. something like module=opie;tag=v${PV};directory=library ? |
| 17:09.42 | kergoth | module=opie/library |
| 17:09.45 | kergoth | same as a normal cvs checkout |
| 17:09.47 | kergoth | cvs co opie/library |
| 17:09.58 | mickeyl | hmm... tried that and got "tag not found" |
| 17:10.38 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:10.38 | kergoth | thats odd |
| 17:10.38 | kergoth | try it manually |
| 17:11.08 | mickeyl | aah |
| 17:11.09 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:11.11 | mickeyl | tag=v1_0_3 |
| 17:11.20 | mickeyl | need to replace dots with underscores |
| 17:13.13 | mickeyl | k, works now |
| 17:13.18 | mickeyl | i really like that @ function :D |
| 17:13.30 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:13.57 | kergoth | hm, i should revamp the Bk fetch method to act like the cvs one. check out, export, and tar |
| 17:14.06 | mickeyl | btw., you can write it cleaner by using the replace method of strings instead of 'string.replace' |
| 17:14.28 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:14.28 | kergoth | cool |
| 17:14.35 | mickeyl | that way it's like ${@'v' + oe.data.getVar('PV',d,1).replace('.','_')}" |
| 17:14.55 | kergoth | yeah, more readable and compact |
| 17:15.14 | mickeyl | one of the lots of changes while going from Python 1.5.2 to 2.0 |
| 17:15.32 | Pendalar | that makes my head hurt on no sleep |
| 17:15.39 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:16.15 | mickeyl | yeah, code using $,{,@,(,),+,.,_,','' in one line is scary |
| 17:16.32 | kergoth | ah fond perl memories |
| 17:16.34 | kergoth | *sniff* |
| 17:16.39 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:17.18 | kergoth | i still havent gotten my head around python's 'lambda' |
| 17:17.23 | kergoth | should play with it more |
| 17:17.45 | Pendalar | wow I grepped out enough to get to frotz |
| 17:17.58 | Pendalar | at least I'm creating something important now |
| 17:23.34 | CosmicPenguin | Cool - I got uclibc-inital to fill up my hard drive |
| 17:23.39 | CosmicPenguin | Gotta test those heads sometime, I guess |
| 17:24.00 | gb2 | uclibc-initial should only install headers |
| 17:24.31 | kergoth | ~stab builds that generate files in make install |
| 17:24.35 | | ACTION runs at builds that generate files in make install with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 17:24.50 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:25.11 | Pendalar | www.monkey.org? |
| 17:25.12 | Pendalar | qa? |
| 17:25.23 | Pendalar | who *are* you people |
| 17:25.32 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:25.44 | Pendalar | dsniff fetch |
| 17:25.53 | kergoth | oh |
| 17:26.08 | kergoth | i've never even used that, i just added it since someone in #handhelds.org asked for an ipk |
| 17:26.11 | Pendalar | it's apparently going to time out |
| 17:26.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:26.44 | Pendalar | I'm only here because I'm hoping for a very fast Quake port =-} |
| 17:26.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:27.00 | Pendalar | based on PocketQuake, not Quake for linux |
| 17:27.27 | Pendalar | the monkey's org seems to be down |
| 17:27.32 | Pendalar | got a brain to go with that compiler? |
| 17:27.54 | Pendalar | besides it uses GAPI so it'd have to be ported to SDL or ZSurface |
| 17:28.04 | Pendalar | which.. heh.. would be fun I'm sure |
| 17:28.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:29.04 | Pendalar | bad monkey =-3 |
| 17:29.19 | Pendalar | guess I'll skip that too |
| 17:31.44 | kergoth | bleh, too many screen windows, need to open more screens |
| 17:32.26 | Pendalar | moreopenscreens .. sounds like a groupware package |
| 17:33.07 | CosmicPenguin | MOS version 1.0 |
| 17:34.37 | Pendalar | kergoth: how long does it take a full build of everything in the packages bk? (and at what ghz) |
| 17:34.45 | kergoth | heh, never timed it |
| 17:34.49 | kergoth | a -long- time though |
| 17:35.03 | Pendalar | well and assuming it's been done before with ccache |
| 17:35.12 | CosmicPenguin | With ccache OZ builds very fast |
| 17:35.16 | treke | Pendalar: a very long time |
| 17:35.28 | kergoth | glibc still takes a while |
| 17:35.35 | kergoth | and it starts to depend more on your hard disk performance |
| 17:35.40 | kergoth | due to all the extracting and shit |
| 17:35.45 | mickeyl | s/builds/runs |
| 17:36.09 | Pendalar | kergoth: would putting oe and packages on a seperate HD help at all? |
| 17:36.23 | treke | nope |
| 17:36.29 | Pendalar | =-{ |
| 17:36.35 | mickeyl | more RAM helps |
| 17:36.37 | kergoth | the difference between a run on my scsi raid on my desktop and my ide on my laptop was rather amusing |
| 17:37.17 | Pendalar | sadly RAM is maxed at 3x128 in this clunker |
| 17:38.16 | treke | Pendalar: speeding up access to the OE scripts would be like pissing in the pacific ocean |
| 17:38.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:38.49 | kergoth | true that |
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| 17:39.15 | Pendalar | I was just wondering if there was anything I could do (pre spending money) to speed this up |
| 17:39.47 | treke | how opposed are you to armed robbery? |
| 17:39.48 | Pendalar | I've begged it, lit candles and chanted... prayed to it |
| 17:39.56 | Pendalar | depends on if I get away with it |
| 17:43.01 | BadCode | Good evening |
| 17:43.16 | BadCode | I've got a problem getting to compile glibc in oe |
| 17:43.28 | BadCode | it says: checking for suffix of object files... configure: error: cannot compute suffix of object files: cannot compile |
| 17:46.21 | Pendalar | cannot compute... cannot compute... what movie was that in? |
| 17:47.11 | Pendalar | I never got that error but it's probably the toolchain or your env script.. or dependancy problem with the "general requirements for OE" or something.. some initial step not done |
| 17:47.21 | Pendalar | what distro? |
| 17:47.38 | kergoth | BadCode: sounds like you didnt add your toolchain to your path |
| 17:47.56 | BadCode | hmm |
| 17:48.02 | BadCode | bad me |
| 17:48.12 | BadCode | that's what i wrote that handy script for |
| 17:48.23 | Pendalar | I want a OE mass build progress bar ;-) |
| 17:48.28 | BadCode | I've been using google for 15 minutes now... |
| 17:48.44 | kergoth | BadCode: heh, should add that one to doc/FAQ in oe/ |
| 17:51.04 | mickeyl | hehe... |
| 17:51.05 | Pendalar | to that I say I don't know what you are talking about, but if it'd help build the other failing packages on my box.. fire it up =-) |
| 17:52.53 | kergoth | mickeyl: its time to stab oemake repeatedly and rewrite it |
| 17:52.57 | kergoth | its a mess |
| 17:53.05 | mickeyl | hehe, never used it |
| 17:53.17 | kergoth | i mean, it works, but the code is most unpleasant |
| 17:53.22 | mickeyl | i have a script which calls oebuild for all packages in my dependency order :D |
| 17:53.26 | kergoth | and doesnt track enough information |
| 17:53.36 | kergoth | heh, how do you obtain the dependency order? |
| 17:53.58 | mickeyl | hardcoded :D |
| 17:54.00 | kergoth | ew |
| 17:54.14 | mickeyl | well... i didn't built images with oe yet |
| 17:54.22 | mickeyl | for developing packages you really don't need oemake |
| 17:54.24 | mickeyl | :) |
| 17:54.30 | kergoth | its pretty easy. oemake -a && oeinstall && oeimage |
| 17:54.44 | mickeyl | given a sane population of OEFILES |
| 17:54.48 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:54.51 | treke | and enjor you 400MB rootfs |
| 17:54.55 | kergoth | exactly |
| 17:54.57 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:55.34 | Pendalar | isn't it kind of anti standard for you to use such methods in scripts that the rest of us don't have, and expect us all to have the same results? |
| 17:55.58 | mickeyl | haha |
| 17:56.00 | treke | that assumes he expects us all to have the same results |
| 17:56.03 | mickeyl | well that isn't exactly rocket science |
| 17:56.07 | kergoth | well, the only thing that could affect his vs yours would be build order |
| 17:56.17 | kergoth | not building with oemake can cause issues if your order is wrong |
| 17:56.23 | kergoth | like, say, sqlite, which was broken |
| 17:56.25 | kergoth | :P |
| 17:56.53 | Pendalar | I'm just saying that there should be a decently standard way of doing this that at least the core devs adhere to |
| 17:57.13 | treke | Pendalar: fix oemake and we'll all use it |
| 17:57.22 | Pendalar | if your way is better.. why not include it in the bk or whatever? |
| 17:57.23 | treke | untill then, we'll each do it as is most comfortable |
| 17:57.28 | kergoth | yeah, and there should be documentation |
| 17:57.30 | kergoth | and more developers |
| 17:57.36 | kergoth | and monitary donations |
| 17:57.38 | Pendalar | treke lemme find my larger-than-average hammer ;-) |
| 17:57.41 | kergoth | should != is |
| 17:57.44 | Pendalar | see if it works like that AOL commercial |
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| 17:58.36 | mickeyl | http://www.Vanille.de/tools/oe-bootstrap |
| 17:58.40 | mickeyl | not really sophisticated |
| 17:58.46 | mickeyl | but it works for me :) |
| 17:59.24 | mickeyl | and no, that never will go into bk :D |
| 17:59.29 | kergoth | i use openembedded.org/download/oedev |
| 17:59.34 | kergoth | + oemake/oebuild |
| 17:59.54 | mickeyl | mmh looks a tiny bit more flexible :D |
| 18:00.44 | Pendalar | =-P |
| 18:03.49 | kergoth | mickeyl: i'll be making OEFILES allow having a directory in the var, which will make it do a find in that dir for .oe's |
| 18:03.52 | kergoth | should simplify things as bit |
| 18:03.54 | kergoth | s/as/a/ |
| 18:04.17 | gb2 | mickeyl: i do something similar, but i use oemake on subsets of the packages instead of individual oemakes |
| 18:04.26 | gb2 | s/oemakes$/oebuilds/ |
| 18:05.03 | gb2 | I also build my uclibc toolchain in there though as well |
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| 18:07.07 | chouimat|lunch | .win 4 |
| 18:07.26 | mickeyl | that sounds like a sane idea |
| 18:10.04 | kmarty | hi all |
| 18:11.56 | Pendalar | doesn't ccache auto have a limit of like 1gb? |
| 18:13.15 | kergoth | your cache size default depends on your disk size |
| 18:13.32 | Pendalar | it's 40gb |
| 18:13.44 | Pendalar | it can take up to about 5gb for all I care |
| 18:14.37 | gb2 | you can set the size |
| 18:15.09 | gb2 | ccache -M 5G |
| 18:15.30 | Pendalar | and that writes to some config file and sticks after reboot? |
| 18:15.50 | gb2 | it takes effect immediately |
| 18:16.05 | Pendalar | right.. |
| 18:17.47 | Pendalar | compile failed 2227 |
| 18:17.48 | Pendalar | heh |
| 18:18.21 | Pendalar | hmm it's not even using 300mb yet.. guess there's no point in up'ing it just yet |
| 18:19.06 | gb2 | all you really need is to keep it larger than the set of stuff you generally build |
| 18:19.28 | Pendalar | generally I might build 300k or so files... maybe 20 times or so a week |
| 18:19.41 | Pendalar | this is mostly for oe packages ;-) |
| 18:19.53 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:20.04 | kergoth | ~/coding/projects/user/devdisc$ ccache -s |
| 18:20.08 | kergoth | cache hit 738438 |
| 18:20.08 | kergoth | cache miss 513915 |
| 18:20.08 | kergoth | mine isnt large enough |
| 18:21.01 | gb2 | yeah |
| 18:21.14 | gb2 | mine is 2G and is big enough for my general use |
| 18:21.23 | gb2 | cache hit 117293 |
| 18:21.23 | gb2 | cache miss 90071 |
| 18:21.38 | kergoth | gb2: should we add program-prefix to EXTRA_OECONF in cross.oeclass? |
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| 18:22.08 | gb2 | kergoth: probably. i'm trying to think if you'd ever not want it |
| 18:22.31 | kergoth | the only situation i could think of |
| 18:22.41 | kergoth | is an app that uses a ./configure, calls oe_runconf, but isnt actually autoconf |
| 18:22.44 | gb2 | i also think "cross" might be misleading, but i can't think of a more appropriate name. |
| 18:22.44 | kergoth | so that option isnt supported |
| 18:23.07 | gb2 | s/misleading/potentially confusing to many users/ |
| 18:23.50 | kergoth | yeah, i agree |
| 18:24.00 | kergoth | it only makes sense if you understand how it works |
| 18:24.09 | kergoth | inherit host_isnt_target |
| 18:24.10 | kergoth | ;) |
| 18:25.43 | gb2 | yeah. |
| 18:25.46 | kergoth | also, itd be a good idea for us to fix the binary naming of packages that are bound to a target arch vs those that arent. |
| 18:25.54 | kergoth | e.g. libnet-config should really be arm-linux-libnet-config |
| 18:25.57 | gb2 | a lot of people would think "i'm cross building for the zaurus! i want cross!" |
| 18:26.10 | kergoth | heh, yeah |
| 18:26.43 | gb2 | toolchain was the only thing i could come up with, but that doesn't sound right for different reasons |
| 18:27.10 | Pendalar | well if you make OE and OZ a 501 3(c) or whatever non-for-profit is, then wouldn't it be a business expense? |
| 18:27.33 | chouimat|lunch | Pendalar: don't know i'm in canada |
| 18:27.49 | kergoth | Pendalar: heh, there ya go, then i could deduct a new buildserver |
| 18:27.57 | Pendalar | I think I know where that is =-P |
| 18:28.08 | Pendalar | kergoth: well.. why not? |
| 18:28.22 | Pendalar | it'd cost.. hmm.. probably about $600 to do the paper work/file yourself |
| 18:28.45 | Pendalar | that's not all that much compared against a buildserver |
| 18:29.04 | gb2 | kergoth: you could even talk to lilo and ask for advice on doing it |
| 18:29.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:29.23 | gb2 | then you could spam irc for donations too ;) |
| 18:29.30 | chouimat|lunch | lol |
| 18:32.06 | treke | gb2: even better. |
| 18:32.35 | treke | gb2: We could take that as an opportunity to integrate bootsplash into oz |
| 18:32.52 | gb2 | hahaha |
| 18:33.18 | treke | QTimer::singleshot(1000) |
| 18:33.49 | treke | connect (&timer, SIGNAL(activate), this, SLOT(reboot())) |
| 18:35.00 | Pendalar | Socket SDIO wifi ;-) that'd be nice |
| 18:35.29 | gb2 | i'd like to get the SDIO GPS widget to work |
| 18:35.40 | treke | gb2: Martyn had one of them working |
| 18:35.52 | Pendalar | on the zaurus? |
| 18:35.56 | gb2 | treke: with unreleasable drivers iirc |
| 18:36.01 | treke | hehe :) |
| 18:36.24 | treke | sd is teh suck |
| 18:37.41 | Pendalar | still I'd like to keep the CF open |
| 18:48.55 | kergoth | heh, added elfutils and prelink |
| 18:49.02 | kergoth | anyway messed with prelink in oz lately? |
| 18:49.11 | treke | not lately |
| 18:49.36 | treke | it works, but the improvement is much less noticible with quicklaunch |
| 18:50.04 | kergoth | yeah, itd really only boost the initial launcher startup |
| 18:50.29 | kergoth | course reducing boot time is definately a Good Thing |
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| 18:54.37 | Pendalar | eventually it should tell me the build is done |
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| 18:58.06 | kmarty | ehm, how oe expect offering ccache? |
| 18:58.28 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:59.08 | kmarty | :-) I see in few confs that it try to use CCACHE variable |
| 18:59.22 | kergoth | it uses ccache if you have ccache. |
| 18:59.26 | kmarty | but I don't know where I have to set it |
| 18:59.27 | kergoth | if you dont, CCACHE is empty |
| 18:59.32 | kergoth | read oe.conf. |
| 18:59.47 | kmarty | I have ccache, but it is not used |
| 18:59.48 | kergoth | it calls oe.which(), a python function that checks for a file in PATH |
| 18:59.54 | kergoth | well, it works for everybody else |
| 18:59.57 | kergoth | just not you, apparently |
| 19:00.17 | kergoth | wait, let me guess. you're buliding ccache with oe and think itll use it? |
| 19:00.23 | kergoth | the 'ccache' .oe builds an arm ccache to go on the target. |
| 19:00.31 | kergoth | if it was 'ccache-native', then itd be for your native architecture |
| 19:00.32 | kmarty | no, I have ccache intalled |
| 19:00.37 | kmarty | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.41 | kergoth | if its in your path, itll use it. |
| 19:00.59 | kmarty | like this?: |
| 19:00.59 | kmarty | cache hit 0 |
| 19:00.59 | kmarty | cache miss 0 |
| 19:00.59 | kmarty | files in cache 0 |
| 19:00.59 | kmarty | cache size 0 Kbytes |
| 19:01.12 | kergoth | well, like i said. works fine for everybody else |
| 19:01.18 | kmarty | I know, I have somewhere error, not you |
| 19:01.34 | kmarty | I only trying to ask how to make for working with it |
| 19:02.56 | kmarty | nothing more |
| 19:09.10 | kergoth | how to make for working with it? |
| 19:09.19 | kergoth | echo CCACHE=/usr/bin/ccache >> conf/local.conf |
| 19:09.47 | Pendalar | pa_jack/pa_jack.c:41:24: jack/types.h: No such file or directory |
| 19:09.47 | Pendalar | pa_jack/pa_jack.c:42:23: jack/jack.h: No such file or directory |
| 19:09.47 | Pendalar | pa_jack/pa_jack.c:101: error: parse error before "jack_client_t" |
| 19:09.52 | Pendalar | sort of stuff in portaudio |
| 19:10.17 | kergoth | it found jack, but jack doenst have its files in staging |
| 19:10.34 | kergoth | two solutions, 1) explicitly enable jack support in portaudio and make jack install its stuff into staging |
| 19:10.41 | kergoth | 2) explicitly disable the use of jack in portaudio |
| 19:10.47 | Pendalar | =-p |
| 19:11.01 | Pendalar | as long as it's "expected" |
| 19:11.03 | kergoth | i dont maintain either, so i dunno whether we'd want jack support in portaudio or not |
| 19:11.06 | kergoth | i ran into it last night |
| 19:11.29 | Pendalar | thus far I'm up to OEFILES=`ls */*.oe|grep -E -v 'binutils|uclibc|gcc|avr-libc|cvs|cyrus-sasl|desktop-file-utils|dsniff|portaudio'` oemake -a; |
| 19:11.38 | Pendalar | which is pretty dang good from what it used to be |
| 19:11.42 | kergoth | yeah, thats not bad |
| 19:11.48 | kergoth | 5 unexpected failures |
| 19:11.51 | Pendalar | dsniff due to do_fetch on the monkey fail |
| 19:12.11 | Pendalar | no I expect cvs.. it's been taunting me for a long time |
| 19:12.15 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 19:12.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:12.48 | Pendalar | it gripes about gss_ and krb(5?)_ functions undefined |
| 19:12.53 | Pendalar | getting closer I think.. |
| 19:16.20 | kergoth | hmm, what package should own /etc/profile? |
| 19:16.29 | Pendalar | profile.d |
| 19:16.33 | kergoth | and that |
| 19:16.35 | kergoth | what package? |
| 19:16.38 | Pendalar | hmm.. |
| 19:17.03 | kergoth | debian has base-files own that |
| 19:17.05 | kergoth | so thatll do |
| 19:17.08 | kmarty | kergoth > I know, I am like stupid ( I am stupid). ccache work normal, nothing settings needed. But it of course working _when_ compiling (I have all what I tested already compiled). BTW. CCACHE=/usr/bin/ccache >> conf/local.conf makes that all packages fails when "do_configure" due to gcc fail |
| 19:17.49 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:18.11 | kmarty | Are you mean oe/conf or packages/conf ? |
| 19:18.17 | kergoth | i say what i mean. |
| 19:18.25 | kergoth | and putting it in another conf will do nothing different |
| 19:18.44 | kmarty | conf is on both. I put it on packages/conf/local.conf |
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| 19:18.53 | kergoth | "conf is on both"? |
| 19:19.09 | Pendalar | I can't track profile to a package |
| 19:19.16 | Pendalar | surely it can't be "unowned" |
| 19:19.20 | kergoth | rpm -qf /etc/profile shows 'setup' for rh73 |
| 19:19.27 | kergoth | and dpkg -S /etc/profile shows 'base-files' for debian |
| 19:19.30 | kergoth | dunno about others |
| 19:19.47 | kergoth | kmarty: oh, my mistake. it shoudlve been echo CCACHE='/usr/bin/ccache ' >> conf/local.conf |
| 19:19.57 | Pendalar | yeah setup on rh9 |
| 19:20.07 | Pendalar | hmm.. sounds like some really base thing |
| 19:20.17 | Pendalar | that is almost undefined as a true seperate package |
| 19:20.19 | kergoth | yeah. every distro has a 'base' package of some sort |
| 19:20.24 | kergoth | with the basic dir structure and shit |
| 19:20.32 | Pendalar | give it to whoever throws files in it first ;-) |
| 19:21.05 | kmarty | kergoth > Your mistake is much, much lower than my. I am .... |
| 19:21.43 | Pendalar | er well maybe the lowest level dependacy which uses /etc/profile |
| 19:21.45 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 19:21.48 | Pendalar | anyways.. bbl guys |
| 19:33.23 | CIA-4 | repository=03packages user=11mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de |
| 19:33.35 | kergoth | i should fix that trigger |
| 19:38.22 | kergoth | i need a faster box |
| 19:38.27 | kergoth | this build has been going for hours |
| 19:39.34 | gb2 | what's it going on? |
| 19:39.57 | kergoth | this is a .. p4 1.8ghz |
| 19:40.07 | kergoth | course i keep building other things in other windows |
| 19:40.14 | gb2 | ah. my main box at home is a 2.8HT |
| 19:40.23 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 19:40.32 | gb2 | it's running some research simulations at the moment i think |
| 19:43.29 | kergoth | ~/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/packages$ ls -p|grep /|grep -v -E '^\.|conf/|tmp/|nonworking/'|wc -l |
| 19:43.33 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.35 | kergoth | hm, getting there |
| 19:46.12 | Disconnect | kergoth: if you deal with the autohell parts of moving gtk/gpe into OE, I'll give you an account on my file/web/mail/mythtv/etc server ;) 1g ram, athlon xp 2600+ (1.9G), 300-odd gigs of (poorly) raided dma100.. (poorly because its not flipped over yet, its still a failed-raid5, and its still all on 2 busses instead of one per drive) |
| 19:46.20 | gb2 | kergoth: still no kernel :P |
| 19:46.44 | kergoth | gb2: heh, theres one kernel in the repos, for one of hte Zs.. we need more though |
| 19:46.53 | gb2 | there is? |
| 19:46.55 | kergoth | Disconnect: yeah, i'd be willing to hack on it |
| 19:46.58 | kergoth | yeah, treke added it |
| 19:47.33 | gb2 | oh, it's "linux" |
| 19:47.36 | gb2 | not "kernel" |
| 19:47.37 | gb2 | heh |
| 19:47.52 | Disconnect | hrm. brb. |
| 20:11.17 | CosmicPenguin | It is going to take me forever to remember to use brackets instead of parens |
| 20:12.10 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: use a nice postit on you screen :) |
| 20:12.38 | pb_ | Disconnect: there shouldn't be any autohell involved with gpe itself, so it's just glib and gtk that you will need to grapple with. |
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| 20:26.34 | Disconnect | pb_: yah thats what I'm seeing. I think I may have it licked - looks like glib didn't install some m4 files. at least thats my hope. |
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| 20:54.41 | treke|laptop | ibot, seen bipolar |
| 20:54.47 | | bipolar <~bflong@ctt187174.ceinetworks.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13d 16h 54m 55s ago, saying: 'load "glx" is uncommented in the xfree config file'. |
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| 21:08.01 | treke|laptop | kergoth`food: did you see the new stuff rml is working on? |
| 21:08.11 | kergoth`food | nope |
| 21:08.13 | kergoth`food | what stuff? |
| 21:08.18 | treke|laptop | very slick looking |
| 21:08.24 | treke|laptop | gnome-volume-manager |
| 21:08.25 | pb_ | Disconnect: ah, jolly good. |
| 21:08.48 | treke|laptop | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-January/msg00515.html |
| 21:14.11 | ljp | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=816&e=5&u=/ap/20040115/ap_on_fe_st/brf_streakers_stranded |
| 21:14.46 | pb_ | ljp: your link was funnier. |
| 21:15.00 | ljp | :) |
| 21:16.11 | treke|laptop | leave it to a kde user to try distracting people from a gnome success |
| 21:16.39 | chouimat|busy | treke|laptop: ? |
| 21:16.59 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth`food: small note - if you run 'oe_runmake oldconfig' and it prompts you for an new config item, the whole thing crashes |
| 21:17.13 | chouimat|busy | treke|laptop: and gnome user do the same for kde ... |
| 21:17.19 | kergoth`food | CosmicPenguin: "the whole thing"? |
| 21:17.34 | kergoth`food | of course it aborts. oldconfig always aborts if its stdin/stdout arent a tty |
| 21:17.49 | pb_ | chouimat|busy: we'd love to, but we're still waiting to hear of a kde success. |
| 21:17.50 | CosmicPenguin | oh, thats the reason |
| 21:17.51 | CosmicPenguin | Ok |
| 21:18.00 | ljp | well, gnome owes what success it has to qt/kde |
| 21:18.01 | chouimat|busy | pb_: ha ha ha ha |
| 21:18.24 | CosmicPenguin | nothing owes their success to qt/kde, because nothing sucessful borrows from qt/kde |
| 21:18.35 | ljp | riiight |
| 21:19.10 | kergoth`food | welcome to #openembedded, dont forget to don your flamesuit at the door |
| 21:19.16 | ljp | hehee |
| 21:19.21 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: I would like that :) |
| 21:19.22 | treke|laptop | if chouimat|busy was being paid, he wouldnt be begging for a job at trolltech and ti :) |
| 21:19.31 | chouimat|busy | treke|laptop: lol |
| 21:19.46 | ljp | well, maybe he cant see anyone hiring gnome developers |
| 21:19.50 | pb_ | kergoth`food: oh, whoops, I thought we were in #desktop-wars |
| 21:21.16 | treke|laptop | speaking of flames, why is there a #emacs, but not a #vi. I guess vi is so much easier, it doesnt need a support channel |
| 21:21.17 | CosmicPenguin | I've got a /dev/fb0 and I know how to use it! |
| 21:21.25 | chouimat|busy | pb_: if gnome suit you ... so I'm happy for you |
| 21:21.31 | kergoth`food | CosmicPenguin: damn right :) |
| 21:21.34 | pb_ | chouimat|busy: thanks |
| 21:22.06 | ljp | I should install gnome on this box, and see what people say about it |
| 21:22.26 | Disconnect | in OE, whats the autohell search path for includes? |
| 21:22.47 | kergoth`food | includes of what? m4 macros? |
| 21:22.53 | Disconnect | yah |
| 21:22.54 | chouimat|busy | pb_: for know KDE suit me ... so I'm using it ... and if gnustep were usable ... |
| 21:23.00 | kergoth`food | Disconnect: the only thing that search is aclocal |
| 21:23.08 | kergoth`food | Disconnect: and thats specfiied via -I cmdline opts |
| 21:23.17 | kergoth`food | Disconnect: which you can exert control over in a .oe via the 'acpaths' variable |
| 21:23.30 | kergoth`food | Disconnect: in addition, our staging aclocal default looks in tmp/staging/share/aclocal |
| 21:23.40 | treke|laptop | chouimat|busy: you seen www.opengroupware.org? It's being implented on top of gnustep |
| 21:24.47 | chouimat|busy | treke|laptop: not yet ... busy fighting with kolab |
| 21:25.59 | Disconnect | kergoth`food: so if I make staging for glib toss a file in that dir, it'll get picked up by apps built after? or do I have to deal with it manually? |
| 21:26.22 | treke|laptop | havent tried kolab yet |
| 21:26.40 | treke|laptop | chouimat|busy: the whole only having a KDE client thing doesnt do it for me :p |
| 21:26.53 | kergoth`food | Disconnect: that could work, though as a policy thing i prefer patching the m4 macros it needs as individual m4 files in a m4/ dir in the sources of the package |
| 21:27.01 | kergoth`food | Disconnect: so e.g. m4.patch which puts glib-2.0.m4 in m4/ in gtk |
| 21:27.07 | kergoth`food | but either way will do it |
| 21:28.06 | kergoth`food | bah, savannah.gnu.org went down? |
| 21:28.10 | kergoth`food | er .nongnu |
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| 21:29.16 | Disconnect | kergoth`food: that'll make it really hard to keep up to date with the original.. |
| 21:29.46 | kergoth`food | gtk needs that macro. it doenst need x1234 blah newer version of that macro, as it could change its expectations |
| 21:30.06 | kergoth`food | which is why sources generally distribute aclocal.m4 |
| 21:30.32 | kergoth`food | but we're forced to overwrite it to accomidate libtool stuff. so, we need the individual components _that it expects_ to reassemble it |
| 21:31.04 | kergoth`food | obviously they wouldnt want an m4/ dir in upstream cvs, it only makes sense in a 'distributing a released source tarball' context |
| 21:31.12 | Disconnect | mmmmm.. maybe. but some things (in this case, this macro relates to localization) have to filter in from earlier packages.. |
| 21:31.22 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:31.28 | kergoth | yes, you collect allt he component m4's it needs |
| 21:31.35 | kergoth | look at e2fsprogs-libs for example |
| 21:31.50 | kergoth | some of them need macros from packages that arent even in our buildsystem yet |
| 21:31.53 | kergoth | e.g. gettext |
| 21:32.22 | kergoth | Disconnect: the thing is, the package needs the *macro* to check if something exists, even if it can be built without support for that something |
| 21:32.37 | kergoth | it doenst make sense to have to install xyz package if we arent even enabling its support for xyz |
| 21:32.40 | kergoth | s/install/build/ |
| 21:33.07 | CosmicPenguin | alright, its time for stupid question hour |
| 21:33.10 | CosmicPenguin | with your host, kergoth |
| 21:34.31 | CosmicPenguin | If I need a target to something other then the class (for example, I need a different do_compile then kernel.,oeclass) |
| 21:34.35 | ljp | who cut your hair? |
| 21:34.50 | CosmicPenguin | then I can just define it in the .oe and it will superceed the class right |
| 21:34.51 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 21:34.51 | Disconnect | yah. but things like whether optionfoo is enabled at -all- in the support library is rather important.. well. whatever. I'll figure it out; if things start breaking later we can argue some more ;) |
| 21:34.52 | kergoth | inherit the class, then define a do_compile () { } |
| 21:34.57 | CosmicPenguin | excellent |
| 21:35.04 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: order controls it, just like make |
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| 21:35.14 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: so stuff defined before hte inherit could be overridden' |
| 21:35.22 | CosmicPenguin | thats fine |
| 21:35.26 | CosmicPenguin | I just need a bzImage instead of a zImage... :) |
| 21:36.09 | kergoth | Disconnect: handling whether optionfoo is enabled in a support library should be handled via a xyz-config or pkg-config, or a xyz/config.h. |
| 21:36.12 | kergoth | Disconnect: :) |
| 21:37.02 | kergoth | crap, i misplaced my i386-linux config.cache |
| 21:37.50 | kergoth | man is it nice seeing more devices appear with udev |
| 21:37.56 | kergoth | more patches from greg for sysfs support for things |
| 21:39.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:39.24 | CosmicPenguin | Even though I no longer have any time, there is lots of exciting stuff for Pixil development |
| 21:39.26 | kergoth | they dont have it happy in an initramfs for the initial population yet, so a base /dev is still needed |
| 21:39.29 | kergoth | but thatll change |
| 21:41.47 | ljp | man, its been a monsoon here the past couple days, making me want a frickin car even more |
| 21:45.36 | kergoth | almost? |
| 21:45.36 | pb_ | ljp: don't succumb! |
| 21:47.34 | ljp | ya, _almost_, kinda like a tickle |
| 21:48.54 | CosmicPenguin | find kernel -path '*/pcmcia/*' -name '*.o' | xargs -i -r ln -sf ../{} pcmcia |
| 21:48.55 | CosmicPenguin | xargs: environment is too large for exec |
| 21:48.56 | CosmicPenguin | There's a fun one |
| 21:48.58 | CosmicPenguin | sigh |
| 21:49.23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:49.39 | kergoth | its OEFILES. the var is too damn big, makes xargs shit itself |
| 21:49.46 | kergoth | most likely anywa |
| 21:49.46 | kergoth | y |
| 21:49.54 | CosmicPenguin | damn |
| 21:50.00 | CosmicPenguin | thats probably it |
| 21:50.02 | CosmicPenguin | recommendatiions? |
| 21:50.17 | CosmicPenguin | clear OEFILES before running modules_install? |
| 21:51.05 | kergoth | thatll do as a workaround |
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| 21:52.08 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: or, run modules_install within 'env', and explicitly set any vars you need to pass down (e.g. ARCH, CROSS_COMPILE) |
| 21:52.34 | CosmicPenguin | Its modules install - do I need to pass it anything? |
| 21:52.47 | kergoth | it *shouldnt* be building anything |
| 21:52.49 | kergoth | but ya never knokw |
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| 22:06.39 | pole | http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20040112S0043 |
| 22:06.44 | pole | you guys see that? |
| 22:08.17 | ljp | yes. fud |
| 22:08.40 | ljp | did you see the comment about the companyhe works for? sells realtime embedded os |
| 22:09.21 | pb_ | yah |
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| 22:10.28 | kergoth | if i were creating an embedded product i'd advocate ditching commercial solutions and supporting it in house using open source tools. so to a certain extent i think he has a point, at least regarding the tools market |
| 22:10.40 | kergoth | but i dont agree that those with size concerns will ditch linux |
| 22:12.34 | pb_ | I think his assertion that anybody who is prepared to buy tools would do better to spend their money on buying a commercial OS is just plain wrong. |
| 22:13.08 | pb_ | There are plenty of people who have a small amount of performance-critical application code, and would be prepared to shell out for a commercial compiler to make it go faster, but want to use Linux for the rest of the system due to other reasons. |
| 22:13.54 | kergoth | yeah, true |
| 22:14.19 | pb_ | The bit about size maybe has more truth to it, but now that we have NAND flash there is much less pressure on code size than there used to be. |
| 22:14.20 | kan0 | commercial compilers arent always as good as they claim tho |
| 22:14.54 | pb_ | well, no, of course not. But they aren't valueless either. |
| 22:14.55 | kan0 | I have found it is mostly the support contracts that win, "It broke, it is your problem" |
| 22:16.13 | kan0 | btw, what are the opinions like of gtkembed over qtembed? |
| 22:17.08 | kan0 | or visa versa |
| 22:17.13 | ljp | ? |
| 22:17.14 | kergoth | kan0: indeed (re: support) |
| 22:19.45 | pb_ | kan0: don't mention visas around ljp, it makes him nervous |
| 22:20.53 | ljp | :) |
| 22:21.02 | ljp | there is a gtkembedded? |
| 22:21.14 | kan0 | living of borrowed time? :) |
| 22:21.22 | CosmicPenguin | bad credit |
| 22:21.26 | pb_ | not that I was aware of. There's gtk/directfb, though, which I guess is kind of analogous to qt/e. |
| 22:21.37 | ljp | Hh |
| 22:21.40 | pb_ | well, in the sense that it draws directly on a framebuffer at any rate. |
| 22:21.49 | ljp | gotcha |
| 22:24.46 | treke|laptop | actually |
| 22:24.53 | treke|laptop | there was a gtkfb project :) |
| 22:25.09 | treke|laptop | er embedded |
| 22:25.18 | pb_ | oh, there was? what did it do? |
| 22:25.51 | kergoth | hey mithro |
| 22:25.52 | kergoth | er |
| 22:25.53 | kergoth | mickeyl: |
| 22:25.56 | pole | well, the gtk port to directfb is a port of gtk2.0 and can compile most gtk2 apps for the framebuffer |
| 22:25.57 | mickeyl | re |
| 22:26.02 | CIA-1 | repository=03packages user=11mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de |
| 22:26.06 | pb_ | hi mickey |
| 22:26.10 | kergoth | i should really fix that trigger |
| 22:26.11 | mickeyl | hi pb_ |
| 22:26.29 | mickeyl | kergoth: hmm... yeah you miss the great things :) |
| 22:26.31 | pb_ | kergoth: heh, you say that every time it shows up. |
| 22:26.40 | kergoth | yeah, i know i do |
| 22:26.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:26.44 | treke|laptop | pb_: it was essentially qte iircc |
| 22:26.47 | kergoth | one day, i'll fix it |
| 22:26.48 | mickeyl | repository=packages log: add phalanx |
| 22:26.51 | pole | you can compile gnome to run on directfb |
| 22:26.54 | treke|laptop | it had a little window system |
| 22:27.00 | pb_ | oh right, neat |
| 22:27.10 | treke|laptop | some company did it |
| 22:29.37 | mickeyl | kergoth: cool. needed that also |
| 22:30.19 | mickeyl | s/needed/need |
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| 22:31.59 | kergoth | there we go, uml kernel building |
| 22:32.03 | pb_ | rock. |
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| 22:43.06 | TMM1 | xmljava |
| 22:43.10 | TMM1 | java written with xml |
| 22:44.29 | kan0 | TMM1> they have a developer help clinic for ppl who come out with ideas like that :) |
| 22:44.38 | mickeyl | hmm... kergoth, can you tell me what that statement is supposed to do: if (echo "arm"|grep -q 'i.86'); then |
| 22:44.45 | mickeyl | (from qmake.class) |
| 22:44.49 | mickeyl | that's like... always nada |
| 22:45.07 | mickeyl | should that be $ARCH instead of arm? |
| 22:45.08 | kergoth | uh |
| 22:45.11 | kergoth | that isnt arm. |
| 22:45.14 | kergoth | you're looking at showdata. |
| 22:45.18 | kergoth | showdata is post-expansion |
| 22:45.23 | mickeyl | ugh |
| 22:45.24 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.24 | mickeyl | right |
| 22:45.31 | mickeyl | lol |
| 22:45.38 | kergoth | its just a silly way of deciding whether we're qws or not |
| 22:45.42 | kergoth | hackish at best |
| 22:47.12 | mickeyl | can i trigger showdata on arbitrary positions in the .oe file? |
| 22:47.19 | mickeyl | well, ok, i could die |
| 22:47.28 | Pendalar | http://www.porneau.net/randompics/slashdot.jpg |
| 22:47.31 | kergoth | er, what? |
| 22:48.00 | kergoth | Pendalar: hah |
| 22:48.06 | Pendalar | I liked it *shrug* |
| 22:48.15 | Pendalar | but then again people laugh at me.. |
| 22:48.33 | kergoth | thta 'er, what?' was directed at mickeyl's question, which i still dont understand :) |
| 22:48.43 | mickeyl | how can i trigger the execution of that file run_xxx which includes the showdata output without bailing out |
| 22:49.02 | mickeyl | or in other words... is there something like showdata() |
| 22:49.16 | mickeyl | ? |
| 22:49.22 | kergoth | .. |
| 22:49.47 | kergoth | i still dont get what you're asking |
| 22:49.51 | mickeyl | well, i guess i just read the code... seems easier than trying to formulate my question :D |
| 22:50.15 | kergoth | do_showdata is implemented in base.oeclass |
| 22:50.20 | kergoth | execution of functions is in build.py |
| 22:50.43 | mickeyl | you answered it. thanks :) |
| 22:52.00 | mickeyl | is there a difference in calling python functions from calling shell functions in .oe files? e.g. i can call oe_runmake, but it doesn't seem to find a python function when i define one in base.class |
| 22:52.36 | kergoth | shell code cant call python functions, there's no glue between them in that direction |
| 22:52.46 | kergoth | python can call either via methods in teh 'build' module |
| 22:53.41 | mickeyl | i see. well this way i had to familiarize myself with "cut". not a bad experience anyway |
| 22:53.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:54.06 | kergoth | itd be nice to be able to call python bits from our shell, but i dunno how you'd best implement it |
| 22:54.21 | kergoth | if we had an xml/rpc interface to talk to the build process... |
| 22:54.24 | kergoth | or something |
| 22:54.52 | mickeyl | something to think about... later |
| 22:56.23 | kmarty | s/within/between/ |
| 22:56.27 | CosmicPenguin | you're inside your keyboard? Wow freaky |
| 22:56.36 | CosmicPenguin | Honey, I shrunk the nerd |
| 22:57.36 | Disconnect | ok that was just disturbing. put the nic in, it lit up, so I opened the Z and hit shift to disable the screensaver....and nothing happened. had to suspend/resume it to get the display back. (even - successfully - loaded the bl app and scrolled it to full) |
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| 23:03.23 | kergoth | ah crap |
| 23:03.25 | kergoth | 0 bytes free on / again |
| 23:03.44 | Pendalar | heh |
| 23:03.47 | Pendalar | I think you need a bigger box |
| 23:03.52 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:04.51 | ljp | hmmm. |
| 23:07.49 | mickeyl | Disconnect: knights as in "the chess game", not as in "wrong spelling of nights" :D |
| 23:08.12 | Pendalar | hopefully he knew that |
| 23:08.18 | mickeyl | you bet? |
| 23:08.19 | mickeyl | :D |
| 23:08.48 | mithro-lca | do you have a python gcc3? |
| 23:08.55 | mickeyl | who is you? |
| 23:09.03 | Pendalar | or a gcc3'd python? |
| 23:09.12 | Pendalar | there's a badass 49 foot python in india |
| 23:09.18 | mithro-lca | bah! i cant type today? |
| 23:09.22 | Pendalar | 990 something lbs iirc |
| 23:09.33 | Pendalar | I worship it for half of each day |
| 23:09.41 | mickeyl | mickeyl: check http://www.Vanille.de/feed/python |
| 23:09.43 | mickeyl | argh |
| 23:09.45 | mickeyl | self talk |
| 23:09.49 | mickeyl | s/mickeyl/mithro |
| 23:09.53 | Pendalar | heh |
| 23:09.57 | Pendalar | bubbles? |
| 23:10.07 | mithro-lca | mickeyl: Cool! |
| 23:10.13 | Pendalar | you need to get out of your aquarium every now and then.. it does things to you |
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| 23:15.19 | kergoth | hey andersee |
| 23:16.13 | mithro-lca | mickeyl: the url returns a 404 :( |
| 23:16.44 | kmarty | no, it works |
| 23:17.09 | Disconnect | yo-yo and cig? is that where you go hang w' da homies suck'n on da blunt? |
| 23:17.18 | mithro-lca | maybe i copied it wrong |
| 23:17.18 | andersee | kergoth: hey |
| 23:17.19 | Disconnect | saying things like 'yoyo dawg'? |
| 23:17.27 | mithro-lca | hey kergoth |
| 23:17.27 | ljp | hmm. I seem to be the 'collect of devices' here |
| 23:17.41 | ljp | s/collect/collector |
| 23:17.46 | mithro-lca | im running a Linux Handhelds BOF session today |
| 23:17.49 | kmarty | yoyo as on http://www.kmarty.bluetone.cz |
| 23:18.14 | kergoth | bye chanserv |
| 23:18.25 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 23:18.42 | mithro-lca | Downloading http://www.Vanille.de/feed/python/Packages |
| 23:18.42 | mithro-lca | wget: server returned error 404: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found |
| 23:18.57 | mithro-lca | :( |
| 23:19.08 | mickeyl | mithro. try again. that's the same build which got into a recursive MOC building ... |
| 23:19.17 | mickeyl | it's not a feed btw. |
| 23:19.27 | mickeyl | check with your browser |
| 23:19.29 | mithro-lca | ahh that would be why :)l |
| 23:19.37 | kmarty | mithro-lca > try http://www.vanille.de/feed/python/current/ |
| 23:19.44 | mickeyl | no. current is not gcc2 |
| 23:19.45 | kmarty | maybe :-) |
| 23:19.50 | mickeyl | s/gcc2/gcc3 |
| 23:20.10 | kmarty | aha, sorry mithro |
| 23:21.17 | kergoth | bleh, i wish i could talk bk into not looking in tmp/ for SCCS data |
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| 23:23.16 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.29 | Pendalar | friend of yours? |
| 23:24.06 | chouimat | nope |
| 23:24.12 | mithro-lca | this wireless acess point is saturated |
| 23:24.14 | ljp | soon to be friend |
| 23:24.28 | Pendalar | haha |
| 23:24.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:25.29 | Disconnect | mithro-lca: put it behind nocat and limit the hell out of everyone else ;) |
| 23:26.13 | mithro-lca | i cant its notmy access point |
| 23:26.20 | chouimat | ljp: grade 2 teacher |
| 23:26.47 | mithro-lca | its the LCA |
| 23:27.17 | CosmicPenguin | Its Geoderific! |
| 23:27.44 | mithro-lca | bblr |
| 23:34.35 | kergoth | mickeyl: fixed that stupid trigger bug |
| 23:34.45 | kergoth | shouldnt see any empty CIA notifications now |
| 23:34.57 | mickeyl | finally :) |
| 23:35.01 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:35.04 | ljp | ~poodle |
| 23:35.09 | | extra, extra, read all about it, poodle is sharp sl-b500/5600, or a dog |
| 23:35.09 | kergoth | 3 line fix |
| 23:35.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:38.11 | mickeyl | call to all shell wizards |
| 23:38.28 | mickeyl | how can i write the following for people without "replace" |
| 23:38.33 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.10 | Disconnect | sed -e "s/Wl,-rpath /Wl,-rpath-link /" (/g instead of / at the end to do it more than once per line) |
| 23:39.24 | kergoth | find ${QMAKE_MKSPEC_PATH} -name "qmake.conf" | xargs sed -ei 's/Wl,-rpath /Wl,-rpath-link /g' |
| 23:39.35 | kergoth | (note that sed -i edits in place, need a recent sed for that) |
| 23:39.50 | mickeyl | kergoth: great. using that then. |
| 23:39.51 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 23:40.01 | mickeyl | ~lart TT |
| 23:40.04 | mickeyl | by the way... |
| 23:40.11 | mickeyl | for using -rpath instead of -rpath-link in their qmake.conf |
| 23:40.13 | kergoth | might need to change that to -ie instead |
| 23:40.22 | ljp | hmm, poodle kernel on buildroot not compiling... hmmpft |
| 23:40.57 | ljp | mickeyl: if theres a bug, send email to bugs@ |
| 23:41.24 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:41.29 | mickeyl | even i don't have a recent enough sed |
| 23:41.29 | kergoth | ljp: its not a bug, its an annoying lack of functionality. all of TT's stuff doesnt distinguish between "QTDIR" on the target and "QTDIR" in the build |
| 23:41.44 | kergoth | mickeyl: then alter the script |
| 23:41.46 | kergoth | e.g. |
| 23:41.53 | mickeyl | kergoth: can i stick with replaceß |
| 23:41.54 | mickeyl | ? |
| 23:42.03 | mickeyl | i don't know anyting about sed |
| 23:42.16 | kergoth | find ${QMAKE_MKSPEC_PATH} -name "qmake.conf" | for fn in `cat`; do cat $fn | sed -e 's/Wl,-rpath /Wl,-rpath-link /g' > $fn.new && mv $fn.new $fn; done |
| 23:42.22 | mickeyl | wow |
| 23:42.24 | mickeyl | quite a line |
| 23:42.24 | kergoth | should do it |
| 23:42.38 | kergoth | if there are any spaces in the path to the qmake.conf, thatll explode |
| 23:42.48 | kergoth | since the for loop will iterate over each piece :) |
| 23:42.57 | mickeyl | might add that to our cygwin users :) |
| 23:42.59 | ljp | kergoth: isnt that what rpath is for? |
| 23:43.02 | mickeyl | (as a warning) |
| 23:43.26 | kergoth | ljp: uh, rpath should be used to set the runtime path. rpath-link is to find dependent libs when linking. |
| 23:43.33 | kergoth | and you use QTDIR for both |
| 23:43.42 | kergoth | so we get a fun rpath on our binaries like /home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/... |
| 23:43.51 | kergoth | not harmful in that case, just annoying |
| 23:43.52 | ljp | ahh |
| 23:43.54 | mickeyl | -rpath-link is not even contained in any of the default qmake.confs. only -rpath |
| 23:44.43 | kergoth | bah, fakeroot-native 0.8.3 is borked |
| 23:44.45 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:45.01 | kergoth | thats odd |
| 23:45.23 | kergoth | ah, there we are |
| 23:45.37 | ljp | if one of you guys could write me an email explaining this, I could work on getting it changed... |
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| 23:45.49 | kergoth | mickeyl: heh, you can get around the space thing.. what you do, is sed the actual filelist, and replace " " with '\ ' |
| 23:45.52 | kergoth | mickeyl: hehe |
| 23:45.53 | kergoth | or similar |
| 23:45.57 | mickeyl | kergoth: *cough* |
| 23:46.05 | ljp | and I am sure someone from a tt customer would have more weight |
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| 23:47.30 | kergoth | ugh, those stupid fuckers |
| 23:47.45 | kergoth | fakeroot 0.8.3 comes with a 1.5.0 ltmain.sh, but its makefiles dont use --tag when calling it |
| 23:47.52 | mickeyl | sucky |
| 23:47.55 | kergoth | so it doesnt build unless you regenerate everything |
| 23:47.58 | kergoth | which is why the non-native build works |
| 23:48.22 | kergoth | if we regenerate everything with a native build, itll pull in our modified libtool stuff, which is best used when crosscompiling |
| 23:48.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:48.33 | kergoth | bah, we dont need fakeroot-native atm anyway |
| 23:48.38 | kergoth | i'll readd it if and when we need it |
| 23:48.43 | mickeyl | yeah, ditch that |
| 23:48.50 | mickeyl | we want a manifest, not a fakeroot ;) |
| 23:49.01 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:49.12 | kergoth | i'm going to start on cleaning up oemake |
| 23:49.19 | kergoth | while i'm at it i'll add mult provides handling |
| 23:49.55 | treke|laptop | ugh this is ugly |
| 23:50.07 | treke|laptop | have to screen scrap a website for usernames and password |
| 23:50.19 | treke|laptop | so that we can authenticate our application against the same data |
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| 23:54.41 | CIA-1 | repository=03oe user=11mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de |
| 23:54.41 | CIA-1 | 07ChangeSet@1.345 improve qmake.oeclass to be useful |
