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| 07:44.14 | ljp | hmmmm |
| 07:47.31 | terminat1 | hi ljp, could you help in an issue with my app on qtopia on sharp rom slc 7x0 |
| 07:50.12 | terminat1 | i always get this message at startup SlSharedManager: can't get proc entry |
| 07:50.26 | terminat1 | and app dies |
| 07:50.36 | ljp | what app? |
| 07:50.59 | terminat1 | it's a prototype of mine |
| 07:51.12 | terminat1 | it runs fine on 5500 with oz 3.3.5 |
| 07:51.33 | ljp | is there a proc entry for whatever its looking for? |
| 07:51.54 | terminat1 | no it doesn't use the proc filesystem at all |
| 07:52.06 | ljp | hmm |
| 07:52.11 | terminat1 | i did a strace, would you bother to take a look? |
| 07:52.30 | ljp | sure, /msg me |
| 07:54.00 | terminat1 | am i still online? |
| 07:54.02 | terminat1 | yes |
| 07:54.26 | terminat1 | ljp did you get it? |
| 07:54.39 | terminat1 | irssi doesn't show /msgs |
| 07:56.40 | ljp | ya got it |
| 07:57.08 | ljp | looks like its looking for pics in /home/QtPalmtop/pics144/qseller and not finding them |
| 07:58.18 | terminat1 | and because of that it hangs? |
| 07:58.21 | ljp | but it finding some in the pics/ dir |
| 07:58.46 | ljp | ohmmm |
| 07:58.54 | terminat1 | rebooting zaurus, after the strace it just segfaults :( |
| 07:59.11 | terminat1 | btw, why does this runs fine on oz? |
| 07:59.24 | ljp | oh, ok. it does find them |
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| 08:01.00 | ljp | hmmm |
| 08:01.19 | ljp | same binary? linked with which cross libs? |
| 08:01.48 | terminat1 | ies, l |
| 08:01.59 | terminat1 | yes linked with qtopia-1.5.0 sdk |
| 08:02.36 | ljp | which sharp rom? |
| 08:02.56 | terminat1 | cacko for sl 760 |
| 08:03.19 | terminat1 | i mean, it should run on the sharp rom and not on oz :) |
| 08:04.41 | ljp | oz is better :) |
| 08:04.58 | terminat1 | i also compiled myself all the libraries which it depends on .. sqlite, libping, etc |
| 08:05.22 | terminat1 | of course, as soon as i have qtopia building on oe, i'll flash the 760 |
| 08:06.19 | terminat1 | i'm stuck at sysconfig app, it won't link against libqtopia because of missing QWizard symbols (which i looked using "strings" and are there) |
| 08:07.14 | ljp | yes, that sdk is a bit borked |
| 08:08.18 | ljp | especially since sharp moved to the 3.1 rom, as they iintrduced that sl lib |
| 08:08.46 | terminat1 | which sdk are you talking about? |
| 08:08.59 | ljp | that qtpia-1.5.0 one from sharo |
| 08:08.59 | terminat1 | the oe 1.7 or the 1.5 i'm using ? |
| 08:09.02 | ljp | sharp |
| 08:09.44 | terminat1 | so you suggest i go with oz, and leave this sharp rom ? |
| 08:09.54 | ljp | the qpe.config file for qte is different from qtopia an dopie |
| 08:10.26 | ljp | depends on what you are doing with it |
| 08:10.30 | terminat1 | then i need to get a 256mb sd to do a nand restore |
| 08:10.41 | ljp | you could pull the nedded libs off the sharp rom and link with those |
| 08:11.20 | terminat1 | but what about the includes? |
| 08:11.45 | ljp | it should work |
| 08:12.21 | terminat1 | ok i'll try this now |
| 08:13.04 | ljp | I should make an updated sdk with the new sharp libs and crap |
| 08:14.12 | terminat1 | yeah, you should |
| 08:14.14 | terminat1 | :) |
| 08:14.27 | terminat1 | ljp: have you met roberto raggi? |
| 08:14.31 | ljp | i would be unofficial though |
| 08:14.50 | ljp | hmmm. no, did he start at TT recently? |
| 08:15.07 | terminat1 | yes on jan 6 |
| 08:15.18 | ljp | ya, he's up in Oslo, I am in Brisbane |
| 08:15.22 | terminat1 | ah |
| 08:15.56 | ljp | heard that he was there :) |
| 08:16.24 | terminat1 | i was wondering how's it going for him, i think he's too busy with introduction meetings to answer my mails :) |
| 08:16.50 | ljp | you know him? |
| 08:17.11 | terminat1 | yes, i worked with him, and he's my friend too |
| 08:17.33 | ljp | cool |
| 08:18.00 | terminat1 | except when he doesn't stop talking about gideon |
| 08:18.10 | ljp | hahaa |
| 08:18.41 | terminat1 | i've seen the first first version of his stuff 5 or 6 years ago at univ |
| 08:19.32 | ljp | ibot: seen mickeyl |
| 08:19.35 | | mickeyl <~email@pD958AA19.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 2d 12h 8m 7s ago, saying: 'good. so be it.'. |
| 08:26.14 | terminat1 | ljp have you any idea about that issue on QWizard on qtopia 1.7 / |
| 08:27.38 | ljp | yes |
| 08:27.51 | terminat1 | how do i fix that? |
| 08:28.25 | ljp | hhmmm |
| 08:28.28 | ljp | well |
| 08:30.05 | ljp | I have seen that when I used the qpe-config from opie on a qte for the sharp rom |
| 08:30.16 | ljp | or vice versa |
| 08:30.35 | terminat1 | but i used qpe-config from qt-snap-2.3.8 on oe |
| 08:30.46 | terminat1 | on the qtopia-1.7 from oe also |
| 08:30.52 | terminat1 | they both come from tt |
| 08:32.49 | ljp | hmmm.. ya... hmmm |
| 08:33.12 | ljp | sharp used one that didnt have QWizard configured, I think |
| 08:35.44 | ljp | I mean qconfig-qpe |
| 08:37.14 | terminat1 | like the qte-2.3.8 snap does |
| 08:37.24 | terminat1 | QT_NO_WIZARD is defined |
| 08:37.54 | terminat1 | btw qtopia brings in its own |
| 08:38.00 | terminat1 | in libqtopia |
| 08:38.14 | ljp | opie uses a compat one, qtopia from TT isn;t compat with sharp |
| 08:38.27 | terminat1 | you can find one in qtopia1/qwizard.cpp |
| 08:38.27 | ljp | I belive |
| 08:43.45 | terminat1 | ljp: many thanks .. now my app works .. using the libs from the pda !!! |
| 08:44.25 | terminat1 | fonts look microscopic .. but it seems to work :) |
| 08:45.20 | ljp | :) |
| 08:45.33 | terminat1 | any hint to fix this? |
| 08:45.45 | terminat1 | have to demo it at 15:00 :) |
| 08:45.52 | ljp | fix? |
| 08:46.04 | terminat1 | to get bigger fonts and icons |
| 08:46.08 | ljp | oh |
| 08:46.48 | ljp | might be able to install fonts from a c7x00 oz feed |
| 08:47.00 | ljp | this i son a c7x0 right? |
| 08:47.04 | terminat1 | yes |
| 08:47.17 | ljp | as far as icons... well |
| 08:47.43 | ljp | which icons are too small? |
| 08:49.24 | terminat1 | mine :) |
| 08:49.29 | terminat1 | i'll change those |
| 08:49.42 | terminat1 | which is the right size for c7x0 |
| 08:50.55 | ljp | launcher? |
| 08:51.16 | ljp | or in the app? |
| 08:56.12 | terminat1 | in the app |
| 08:57.11 | kmarty | nekde neco v tomhle smyslu (hele, ted se ukaze ze blbe ctu :-) : Most any modern MTA will queue email for delivery for 3-5 days anyway, |
| 08:57.12 | kmarty | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.12 | kmarty | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.17 | ljp | ahh, you can scale them according to the proper size |
| 08:57.23 | kmarty | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.25 | kmarty | PARDON |
| 08:57.27 | kmarty | :-))) |
| 08:57.30 | ljp | :) |
| 08:57.30 | kmarty | wrong windows |
| 08:57.32 | kmarty | window |
| 08:58.28 | kmarty | I am sorry |
| 08:59.11 | ljp | QImage img=<some xpm>; img = img.smoothScale(AppLnk::smallIconSize(), AppLnk::smallIconSize()); |
| 08:59.53 | ljp | it will look better if you use a large icon and then it can scale down for small screens |
| 09:00.23 | ljp | hmm, not sure if that will work on sharp rom. it should |
| 09:02.25 | terminat1 | ok |
| 09:02.28 | terminat1 | i'll try |
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| 09:26.46 | ljp | mickey:still waiting to hear of sharp |
| 09:36.48 | mickeyl | some packages would be easier if I could name them with mixed caps, because that's how the sources are called |
| 09:37.06 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 09:37.30 | mickeyl | kergoth is not supposed to wake up for at least 5 hours... gonna wait until I continue |
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| 09:45.15 | terminat1 | mickeyl: did you take a look to the files i sent you? |
| 09:56.09 | mickeyl | terminat1: looking at them at the moment |
| 09:57.32 | terminat1 | ask ljp why the sysinfo app asks for QWizard, he seems to know... |
| 10:29.12 | terminat1 | mickeyl: you've got a really slow machine :) |
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| 10:30.14 | terminat1 | eheheh |
| 10:32.17 | mickeyl | terminat1: you need to check the LDFLAGS |
| 10:32.28 | mickeyl | it doesn't find libqte and libqpe for me during compile |
| 10:32.44 | terminat1 | i'll check them |
| 10:32.59 | terminat1 | i've got to do a clean checkout, messed with to many things |
| 10:33.05 | terminat1 | tomorrow will work on this |
| 10:33.08 | mickeyl | cool |
| 10:33.48 | terminat1 | my app now runs on chacko rom too, but forms are too crowded for landscape mode |
| 10:34.19 | terminat1 | this sharp rom is really a pain |
| 10:34.49 | terminat1 | ah and i coudn't compile the oz buildroot |
| 10:35.22 | mickeyl | yeah, oz is rotting |
| 10:35.28 | terminat1 | I better start some serious porting on oe, when do you think i could build a zaurus image from oe? |
| 10:35.31 | mickeyl | even I am no longer interested in it |
| 10:35.38 | terminat1 | i mean what's missing for that |
| 10:35.52 | terminat1 | i cannot stand any more downloading pre-made roms ;) |
| 10:36.26 | mickeyl | for building images, just a few kernels and some deviceisms are missing - and opie and qtopia. |
| 10:36.57 | terminat1 | i do qtopia and maybe opie, you do kernelisms :) |
| 10:37.21 | terminat1 | but how opie supports the landscape screen hi-res thing? |
| 10:37.31 | terminat1 | how well i mean |
| 10:37.55 | terminat1 | i.e. my app need an eavy gui redesign to work landscape |
| 10:38.11 | terminat1 | needs an heavy |
| 10:39.14 | mickeyl | i see two steps |
| 10:39.43 | mickeyl | 1st) using the layout functions in the designer gives you a sane layout on both 320x240 and on large models |
| 10:40.02 | mickeyl | 2nd) you can always use two .ui files, one for small and one for large displays |
| 10:40.15 | mickeyl | and ship your application with both or do compile switches |
| 10:41.27 | mickeyl | and there is always the great opie bigscreen extension |
| 10:41.32 | mickeyl | which can do some magic things |
| 10:41.57 | mickeyl | e.g. automatically split your tabwidget and display tabs in parallel on large displays |
| 10:42.25 | terminat1 | i already used the designer thing, but have to many fields in those forms, the second way is better |
| 10:42.36 | terminat1 | i'll have to ship two versions |
| 10:42.56 | terminat1 | or maybe only one with run-time-screensize-detecion |
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| 14:55.48 | mickeyl | hi drw |
| 14:57.27 | drw | hey mickeyl |
| 15:01.09 | chuckr | g'morning Mickey. At some point, I want to have a talk with you about the vt ideas of yesterday, Sash said he just wants to go along with what you want todo, do I just want to find out what part of it I can do. |
| 15:02.21 | mickeyl | chuckr: cool. as i've said, there are three things every GUI environment should handle. |
| 15:02.53 | mickeyl | 1.) switching to a dedicated VT on startup - and switching back to the calling on shutdown |
| 15:03.21 | mickeyl | 2.) enable to switch VTs via an applet or key combinations |
| 15:03.33 | mickeyl | 3.) enable to release power management |
| 15:03.45 | chuckr | that 3rd one surprised me |
| 15:03.48 | mickeyl | I added option 1 and 2 to QtE+Opie. Option 3 is pending |
| 15:03.54 | mickeyl | 3rd one is very important |
| 15:04.02 | mickeyl | one example: |
| 15:04.05 | chuckr | why? |
| 15:04.55 | mickeyl | say we have a fbconsole on VT1 and Opie on VT2. If I switch from Opie to VT1 and _don't_ release powermanagement, then Opie will blank my screen after a while - because it no longer receives keypresses, it thinks the user is idle. We don't want that :) |
| 15:05.13 | chuckr | ahhh yes! |
| 15:05.44 | chuckr | I see now. OK, back to items 1 & 2. I'm thinking Cacko's rom, things like the keystrokes are different, right? |
| 15:06.07 | mickeyl | you're talking x11 or qtopia rom? |
| 15:06.56 | chuckr | I wasn't actually immediately convinced it truly needed a keystroke to change vts, I know it does on every system I've ever been on, but I wasn't convinced it wass needed. Sash said defer to you. |
| 15:07.41 | chuckr | I'm talking about me helping on the x11 rom side. Have you and Sash talked any about the idea of maybe your X11 and his X11 being close? |
| 15:07.41 | mickeyl | keystroke is important for at least switching from a plain console back to the GUI. you can take my patch to the corgi-keymap from openzaurus. this enables switching VT via keyboard which is a good start for option 2. |
| 15:08.08 | mickeyl | s/option/item |
| 15:08.42 | mickeyl | no we didn't talk yet, but i think he will agree to my ideas that GUI cooperation via VT is the only sane way to go for all ROMs in the future. |
| 15:08.58 | mickeyl | (except sharp of course ;) |
| 15:09.00 | chuckr | ok. I guess so. The patch is easy enough, I have forgotten entirely how to get your code, but the instructions are all there in black & white, so I'll get the patch (if you can tell me the files in volved?) tonight |
| 15:09.32 | chuckr | I agree with you completely about switching vts being the way to go |
| 15:09.41 | mickeyl | the patch is in oz bitkeeper. you can browse via web interface @ openzaurus.bkbits.net. the patch is contained in packages/kernel-shepherd/ |
| 15:10.09 | chuckr | so, to summarize, I need to get your patch and apply it to my rom, test it, and then get back to you once I have it running, right? |
| 15:10.36 | chuckr | thanks, that's just what I needed, I have bk already working here |
| 15:11.04 | chuckr | do you agree on my task? |
| 15:12.21 | chuckr | I know that Sash is gonna agree with you too, he's too busy not to, and (if you understand enough about the issues involed, which is really the hard oart of all this) then it makes very good sense. |
| 15:13.02 | mickeyl | yeah, that's the first step. if you have switching vt's running, we can talk about item 1. iirc X11 can already does this, so it's possibly a no-brainer :) |
| 15:13.10 | chuckr | again, you agree on what I have to do? I just want a clear understanidng of my tasks (I'm going to treat you like my boss in this) |
| 15:13.21 | chuckr | proj mgr, sort of |
| 15:13.30 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 15:13.42 | chuckr | I can't/won't do proj mgt, not suited to that |
| 15:13.58 | chuckr | ok then I'll get back to you, thanks om |
| 15:14.03 | mickeyl | np |
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| 15:26.20 | mickeyl | bk makepatch? |
| 15:26.48 | kmarty | mickeyl > but. I want to make changes file by file |
| 15:27.05 | kmarty | mickeyl > or package by package respectivelly |
| 15:27.13 | kmarty | mickeyl > not whole nig patch |
| 15:27.20 | kmarty | s/nig/big/ |
| 15:27.39 | mickeyl | well, there's always bk diffs |
| 15:27.45 | mickeyl | and bk helptool, btw. :D |
| 15:27.57 | kmarty | mickeyl > Yes, I trying to learn :-) |
| 15:28.09 | kmarty | but now I can't use GUI |
| 15:28.35 | kmarty | so I looking in man pages, but ...I have some problems with it |
| 15:28.46 | kmarty | but it will be ok. Perhaps |
| 15:29.01 | kmarty | it needs only some time |
| 15:29.27 | mickeyl | yeah, you'll get used to it. took me some months to really get comfortable with bk. but now i love it. |
| 15:29.47 | kmarty | yesterday I was ver upset on BK |
| 15:30.39 | kmarty | people who was there yesterday was ...(missing word)... on me |
| 15:30.51 | kmarty | so I am sorry for yesterday |
| 15:31.29 | kmarty | openembedded is first project where I using BK |
| 15:32.15 | kmarty | Yesterday I was wondered about some "RESYNC" messages from BK |
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| 15:54.23 | chouimat | morning |
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| 16:31.04 | wembly | how goes openembedded? |
| 16:32.50 | wembly | herm |
| 16:32.50 | wembly | ok |
| 16:32.51 | wembly | hehe |
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| 17:40.58 | chouimat | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 17:47.20 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: tell me you have an ipkg ready to send to me |
| 17:47.48 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: some bug to fix ... spent last week on the road ... |
| 17:48.32 | chouimat | wtf .... why this doesn't compile .... |
| 17:50.01 | CosmicPenguin | because it doesn't like you |
| 17:51.43 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: i think so too ... it shouldn't be long before you get the ipkg since I spent to much time on the road they gave me the next 2 weeks off ... |
| 17:52.27 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: excellent |
| 17:53.42 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: yup I have time to finish your ipkg and clean a little the house before leaving for NYC next week |
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| 17:54.27 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: I liked last thursday and friday ... fixing a server room with a bad flu was fun ... |
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| 17:57.28 | chouimat | anyone know how to use distcc with debian packaging tool? |
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| 18:20.24 | noidd | my c760 is stuck in Chicago |
| 18:20.32 | noidd | makes we want to drive there and get it :-P |
| 18:29.44 | chouimat | http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_4051_04_ue.asp <--- WOW |
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| 18:36.08 | Disconnect | considering it starts by saying apple never considers the user interface, I'm unlikely to trust his other "facts" ;) |
| 18:37.27 | noidd | looking |
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| 18:38.53 | noidd | I need a volenteer :-D |
| 18:39.17 | noidd | or I need ssh access to someones Zaurus for an hour or so |
| 18:39.33 | noidd | I just finished the patches which will go into perl-5.8.3 |
| 18:39.39 | noidd | but since my 5500 is a.w.o.l, I can't test it |
| 18:39.41 | noidd | :-/ |
| 18:39.46 | Disconnect | noidd: why zaurus? you could just ssh/telnet into the skiffs/ipaqs. |
| 18:40.01 | noidd | the skiffs / ipaqs have perl already installed |
| 18:40.13 | noidd | which causes all kinds of problems as it loads the wrong libperl.so etc |
| 18:40.28 | Disconnect | export PATH=$(pwd)/perl-test/bin:$PATH ; export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$(pwd)/perl-test/lib: .... |
| 18:41.06 | noidd | yeah, it still loads /usr/lib/libperl.so first |
| 18:41.11 | noidd | actuially, i'm not 100% sure of that |
| 18:41.21 | noidd | lemme jump on ipaq1.handhelds again and test that |
| 18:41.31 | Disconnect | the point of ld-library-path is to say "search this way for libraries. then - if you fail - check the system defaults" |
| 18:42.03 | noidd | libperl isn't linked in the normal way |
| 18:42.08 | noidd | ie, ldd doesn't show it |
| 18:42.27 | noidd | one sec, i'll show you |
| 18:44.13 | Disconnect | there is a way to set the dload (IIRC thats the call) path as well. |
| 18:44.20 | noidd | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.32 | noidd | take a look there |
| 18:44.43 | noidd | i'll solve the problem |
| 18:44.48 | noidd | just take a lil more time |
| 18:45.40 | noidd | i'm sure i'm doing something stupid |
| 18:45.46 | noidd | i've got one failing test in core |
| 18:45.51 | noidd | other than that its completely clean |
| 18:46.05 | pb_ | hi all |
| 18:46.11 | noidd | that being that the version number of the binary does not match the version number of the library |
| 18:46.16 | noidd | ie, environmental |
| 18:46.35 | noidd | either environmental or an error in my hand-hacked config.sh |
| 18:46.43 | noidd | I just need to know which |
| 18:46.50 | noidd | heya pb_, how goes? |
| 18:47.18 | pb_ | noidd: not bad, not bad |
| 18:47.22 | noidd | any news? |
| 18:47.40 | pb_ | none from me, I don't think. |
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| 19:02.42 | noidd | ok, found the problem |
| 19:02.46 | noidd | sweet :-) |
| 19:04.25 | treke|laptop | mornin |
| 19:05.56 | pole | can someone tell me what the difference between $COMPILER_PATH/lib and $COMPILER_PATH/arm-linux/lib is? |
| 19:06.30 | pole | is everything in $COMPILER_PATH/arm-linux already built for arm? |
| 19:06.58 | pb_ | hi treke|laptop |
| 19:07.19 | pb_ | (also treke, treke|ho1e, and any other trekes who are listening) |
| 19:08.32 | mickeyl_away | <mickeyl> anyone with a working gpsd here? |
| 19:08.34 | mickeyl_away | <mickeyl> i need an example output of 'P' |
| 19:08.46 | mickeyl_away | <mickeyl> (!= 0.0000) |
| 19:09.09 | noidd | hehe, i'm punishing poor ipaq1 ;-) |
| 19:13.16 | pole | Because the sharp toolchain is the only compiler compiling a native qt-embedded for zaurus use, you should use this compiler suite, if you plan to develop for the openzaurus project. |
| 19:13.18 | pole | is this true? |
| 19:13.38 | mickeyl_away | no |
| 19:13.56 | treke|laptop | absolutly not :) |
| 19:14.20 | pole | that's what is in the opie-developer guide |
| 19:14.29 | pole | http://www.uv-ac.de/opiedev/opiedev-4.html |
| 19:15.37 | mickeyl | uhmm |
| 19:15.44 | mickeyl | that "guide" is disputable |
| 19:16.49 | treke|laptop | yes, that wouldn't be the first instruction from it that has been less than accurate I |
| 19:17.27 | pole | Before you go ahead, you should know, that the skiff toolchain is not able to compiler opie itself, as the linker does not recognise some used linker commands. |
| 19:17.30 | pole | what about that one? |
| 19:17.55 | pole | i used to use that to build opie all the time... older versions though |
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| 19:20.35 | CosmicPenguin | treke: you around? |
| 19:22.27 | treke|laptop | nop for long |
| 19:22.31 | pole | is there a better guide around on setting up a dev environment for arm? |
| 19:23.08 | CosmicPenguin | treke: quickly question then |
| 19:23.23 | CosmicPenguin | treke: do you want me to split all of my changes into lots of different changesets? |
| 19:24.05 | CosmicPenguin | ie, all the 5400 stuff into one changeset, seperate fixed and new packages into their own changesets, etc? |
| 19:24.22 | CosmicPenguin | Or do you want the whole shiterie? |
| 19:25.38 | treke|laptop | seperate would be best |
| 19:25.51 | treke|laptop | but if it's to messy, one is ok |
| 19:26.49 | CosmicPenguin | I'll try to do seperate... most of them are easy revision changes and stuff |
| 19:26.56 | CosmicPenguin | A few patches here and there, and a few new packages |
| 19:27.06 | CosmicPenguin | the 5400 changes will be the biggest and ugliest |
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| 19:34.58 | enginuitor | Hello? |
| 19:35.22 | enginuitor | I need to know if there's any way do boot the Zaurus off external media, e.g. CF card |
| 19:35.43 | noidd | ello |
| 19:35.52 | enginuitor | I've managed to delete something really really important with aqpkg... |
| 19:36.06 | enginuitor | And the Z boots to a nice little blinking cursor |
| 19:36.22 | noidd | urg |
| 19:36.34 | enginuitor | I never backed it up... |
| 19:36.39 | noidd | ack :-/ |
| 19:36.53 | noidd | which model? |
| 19:36.56 | enginuitor | I've got tons of crap (configuration, to-do items, etc.) in the flash that I can't lose |
| 19:37.03 | enginuitor | SL-5500 |
| 19:37.28 | noidd | you tried switching the power switch on the back off and on I assume? |
| 19:37.33 | enginuitor | Yeah |
| 19:37.41 | enginuitor | OZ logo and a blinking cursor |
| 19:37.51 | enginuitor | This happened once when I deleted kernel-image |
| 19:38.09 | noidd | is it networked? |
| 19:38.16 | enginuitor | Yeah |
| 19:38.17 | noidd | maybe you just deleted the gui and you can ssh in |
| 19:38.26 | noidd | do you know what you deleted? |
| 19:38.26 | enginuitor | It doesn't boot |
| 19:38.39 | enginuitor | I don't know exactly what was deleted |
| 19:38.51 | enginuitor | I was tryi8ng to upgrade libc6... |
| 19:38.57 | noidd | honestly, I can't think of a way to recover it |
| 19:39.05 | noidd | ask one of the other devs |
| 19:39.11 | noidd | they would know more about such things |
| 19:39.18 | enginuitor | And I deleted the package, but I think it took a bunch of other crap with it |
| 19:39.18 | noidd | my gut feeling is that there is nothing you can do |
| 19:39.39 | noidd | and you won't be able to get it, but ask for a second opinion |
| 19:39.50 | enginuitor | Heh, I could pull the ROM chip and read it with a memory programmer |
| 19:40.17 | enginuitor | 'spensive little buggers... |
| 19:40.24 | noidd | cept in the 5500 its volatile memory |
| 19:40.55 | enginuitor | I have a suspicion that the kernel got deleted |
| 19:41.21 | enginuitor | I will try flashing just the kernel and not the initrd... |
| 19:41.21 | noidd | well, maybe you can just reflsh the kernel image |
| 19:41.25 | enginuitor | yeah |
| 19:41.29 | noidd | but honestly, get a second opinion |
| 19:41.39 | enginuitor | I wish I had some kind of a robot at my desk |
| 19:41.40 | noidd | did I meantion you should get a second opinion? |
| 19:41.53 | noidd | asking someone else would be a good idea |
| 19:42.09 | enginuitor | I'm irc'ing from the command line using ircII over ssh from a win2k box at school... |
| 19:42.25 | noidd | ircii is my fave irc client |
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| 19:43.33 | enginuitor | I can do whatever I want on the software side, but as far as physically sticking cards in and pressing buttons, I'm helpless |
| 19:44.09 | enginuitor | If I had either some kind of minimum-wage servant or some kinda robot... |
| 19:44.41 | enginuitor | Lol, I was gonna bring walkingwebcam.com up today |
| 19:44.51 | enginuitor | But then I had to go brick my Z... |
| 19:45.08 | noidd | its not bricked |
| 19:45.19 | noidd | i'm sure that if you did a hard reset or reflahs you'd be fine |
| 19:45.25 | noidd | but you don't want to toast your data |
| 19:45.35 | noidd | so get a second opinion as to whether there is a way to recover it |
| 19:45.39 | enginuitor | I suppose it's not, technically, bricked... |
| 19:45.48 | enginuitor | But it feels like it :( |
| 19:45.49 | noidd | I am about 99% certain that you can't boot the Z via CF or any way like that |
| 19:46.00 | enginuitor | k, I'll try to find someone.... |
| 19:46.03 | noidd | yeah, we've all done it |
| 19:46.08 | noidd | good luck :-) |
| 19:46.27 | noidd | <-- Would rather have a bricked Zaurus than no Zaurus (currect state( |
| 19:46.37 | enginuitor | :( |
| 19:46.50 | enginuitor | Well, I think I just have to reflash my kernel... hopefully... |
| 19:47.00 | enginuitor | But I'll look around for a second opinion |
| 19:47.42 | Disconnect | enginuitor: on a Z, the kernel is stored on it's own partition.. not like (recent) ipaq. so aqpkg has no way to remove/update it. |
| 19:48.35 | enginuitor | hmm... |
| 19:49.01 | enginuitor | Well, all I know is that one time, I was trying to update the package "kernel-image" because it said there was a new one out... |
| 19:49.14 | noidd | <enginuitor> I was trying to get lftp to work... and for some reason I deleted libstdc6 (I think that was what it was)... |
| 19:49.30 | enginuitor | Different time |
| 19:49.36 | noidd | oh, ok |
| 19:50.11 | enginuitor | Anyway, aqpkg deleted kernel-image in order to install the new package... then stopped working saying it "could not start the ipkg process" |
| 19:50.23 | enginuitor | Then all the programs stopped working... |
| 19:50.40 | enginuitor | "not found" errors, even on the standard apps like todo and text editor |
| 19:50.57 | pole | so what cross compiler should i be using for 3.3.6rc1? |
| 19:51.00 | enginuitor | So I rebooted and got the same blinking cursor I was looking at this morning |
| 19:51.09 | pole | pre1 that is |
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| 19:58.12 | pole | anyone know why qte 2.3.7 is used when 3.2.0 is available? |
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| 20:48.42 | _jonnie_ | is there a default package list to build a complete working dist for a c760? |
| 20:57.32 | _jonnie_ | or another way to assemble a minimal working distribution? |
| 21:04.18 | _jonnie_ | hello |
| 21:09.33 | Disconnect | afaik right now it requires a bunch of magic that only a few people know (and its at least mostly undocumented) |
| 21:09.47 | Disconnect | might do better to flash oz and work from there. |
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| 21:13.54 | _jonnie_ | yes, but does all oebuild'ed working fine on oz? |
| 21:14.52 | _jonnie_ | mean it is compatible in some way? |
| 21:19.21 | kergoth | the packages have changed substantially. the upgrade path is not clean. |
| 21:19.42 | kergoth | and there are no virtual packages for an "OZ" dist from OE yet. |
| 21:19.51 | kergoth | there will be at some point. |
| 21:20.09 | kergoth | right now i just specify OEPKGS in my local.conf with a sane package set |
| 21:30.21 | chouimat | re |
| 21:30.41 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 21:40.19 | noidd | hey kergoth - did you get my email? |
| 21:43.03 | _jonnie_ | kergoth: could you submit your minimal package set to run OE on zaurus? without graphical env.. |
| 21:44.01 | kergoth | eh? |
| 21:44.16 | kergoth | "minimal" is relative. i need shit you dont. |
| 21:44.44 | _jonnie_ | kergoth: yes, you win.. |
| 21:44.49 | kergoth | noidd: yep, added. you should be able to reparent your 'packages' repository to point at openembedded@openembedded.bkbits.net:packages |
| 21:45.00 | kergoth | noidd: see bk help parent |
| 21:46.44 | _jonnie_ | kergoth: i just stuck after oebuild the glibc and dunno what to do now.. |
| 21:47.04 | kergoth | _jonnie_: at a minimum you'll want glibc, base-files, busybox. beyond that, it varies. you'll probably want sysvinit and initscripts for a normal sysv-like init and startup scripts. You'll either need to enable the getty/login functions in busybox, or build 'tinylogin', that way you get a login prompt. |
| 21:47.10 | kergoth | once again, it all depends on what you want. |
| 21:47.57 | _jonnie_ | yes, ok, and howto "deploy" this all to a running system? |
| 21:48.35 | kergoth | e.g. oeinstall glibc busybox base-files |
| 21:48.38 | kergoth | will install them to tmp/rootfs |
| 21:48.47 | kergoth | assuming you have tarballs for them (i.e. INHERIT=package_tar) |
| 21:49.11 | kergoth | then oeimage is a wrapper for creating tarballs/jffs2/etc from that populated rootfs |
| 21:49.29 | kergoth | guess i should document the deployment bits |
| 21:49.32 | kergoth | havent had time |
| 21:49.43 | kergoth | and when i've had time, i havent felt like it |
| 21:49.44 | kergoth | heh |
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| 21:51.13 | noidd | ok, thanks kergoth |
| 21:51.27 | kergoth | np |
| 21:51.55 | mithro | hello everyone! |
| 21:52.04 | kergoth | hey mithro |
| 21:52.08 | mithro | what the quickest way to do a redirect |
| 21:52.28 | mithro | kergoth: bdale is intrested in oz |
| 21:52.40 | kergoth | context would be good. redirect what? :) |
| 21:53.15 | mithro | bdale == HP's linux director |
| 21:53.33 | mithro | intrested == thought it could have alot of potential |
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| 21:55.24 | kergoth | mithro: oh, thats cool (re: interest) |
| 21:55.33 | kergoth | mithro: iptables mangling can do that easily enough (re: redirect) |
| 21:56.03 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.46 | kergoth | mithro: udhcp has a server as well as a client, iirc. |
| 21:56.59 | kergoth | mithro: webserver, look at boa, nanoweb, thttpd |
| 21:57.12 | kergoth | mithro: nanoweb's written in php, so supports php out of the box. the others probably can do it, but via cgi |
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| 22:00.52 | ljp_ | hey neo |
| 22:01.38 | kergoth | damn, mickey's been busy playing with OE eh |
| 22:02.04 | mithro | hrm i'm also going to need a name server |
| 22:02.07 | noidd | I need to do that |
| 22:02.12 | noidd | need to get with the program |
| 22:02.17 | noidd | i've not touched OE yet |
| 22:02.38 | kergoth | its spiffy. takes a bit to get used to it, but it spoils ya |
| 22:03.01 | noidd | I will admit i'm kinda scared of it :-) |
| 22:03.38 | kergoth | think of it as being a tool. kinda like make. |
| 22:03.51 | kergoth | more so that, conceptually, than a direct replacement for buildroot |
| 22:04.01 | noidd | I really liked buildroot |
| 22:04.15 | noidd | thought it was a stunning piece of work |
| 22:04.23 | kergoth | this gives you everything buildroot has, just a substantially different implementation |
| 22:04.32 | kergoth | well, everything but a gui :) |
| 22:04.33 | noidd | oh, while I think of it... is your work at TI out of NDA yet? |
| 22:04.43 | noidd | heh, gui we can do :-) |
| 22:04.44 | kergoth | i dont think so |
| 22:05.02 | kergoth | "someone" should do a quick & dirty pyqt frontend or something |
| 22:05.06 | noidd | hopefully you're not releasing a competitor to the Zaurus next week |
| 22:05.21 | noidd | since I just bought a c760 a few days ago |
| 22:06.10 | noidd | I could do a quick and dirty front end |
| 22:06.10 | ljp_ | do it up |
| 22:06.10 | noidd | once I know what the quick and dirty front end is s'posed to do :-) |
| 22:06.10 | ljp_ | configure |
| 22:06.12 | ljp_ | and auto depends |
| 22:06.29 | kergoth | it just needs to parse the oe files and create a digraph |
| 22:06.32 | kergoth | can swipe oemake's code for that |
| 22:06.43 | ljp_ | so you go select 'Opie' and it selects everything you need |
| 22:06.43 | kergoth | then display a selection thingy to pick packages |
| 22:07.05 | kergoth | beyond that, we really need an actual configuration language for global build options (.conf output) and per package build options |
| 22:07.09 | kergoth | like the old config.in's in buildroot |
| 22:07.24 | noidd | if you really want pyqt i'm not the right person to do it since I know neither py or qt |
| 22:07.26 | kergoth | but that could be postponed if need be |
| 22:07.36 | noidd | I could do it in gtk+perl easy enough tho |
| 22:07.36 | kergoth | well, OE is py, so thats easiest |
| 22:07.39 | ljp_ | do it in perl |
| 22:07.44 | kergoth | since you already have 90% of hte code |
| 22:07.51 | noidd | its calling from the command line so it shouldn't matter at all |
| 22:08.15 | noidd | hmm, lemme check something |
| 22:08.17 | ljp_ | make everyone upset and do it in java |
| 22:08.23 | kergoth | uh, i'm talking about writing a .oe parser, and assembling a digraph from the DEPENDS fields |
| 22:08.50 | kergoth | if you did it in perl, you'd have to do that again |
| 22:09.26 | noidd | Quote: |
| 22:09.27 | noidd | Inline::Python lets you write Perl subroutines and classes in |
| 22:09.27 | noidd | Python. You don't have to use any funky techniques for sharing most |
| 22:09.27 | noidd | types of data between the two languages, either. Inline::Python comes |
| 22:09.27 | noidd | with its own data translation service. It converts any Python structures |
| 22:09.27 | ljp_ | ok just do it in qt |
| 22:09.28 | noidd | it knows about into Perl structures, and vice versa. |
| 22:09.33 | noidd | :-) |
| 22:09.49 | noidd | Perl can inline like 20 different languages |
| 22:09.58 | kergoth | hah, thats spiffy |
| 22:09.59 | kergoth | and sick |
| 22:10.07 | ljp_ | make it a kde parts |
| 22:10.14 | pb_ | kergoth: did you look at that ui configurator I did? |
| 22:10.16 | ljp_ | so I can do it from konq |
| 22:10.35 | noidd | C, C++, C#, Python, Java |
| 22:10.37 | noidd | etc etc |
| 22:11.10 | noidd | I've always wanted an excuse to use Inline, Voodoo |
| 22:11.23 | ljp_ | use xforms |
| 22:11.27 | kergoth | pb_: actually no, the email's still in my mailbox waiting for me.. let me pull it down and check it out |
| 22:11.45 | kergoth | gah, stupid rh73 |
| 22:16.56 | noidd | ibot, buildroot? |
| 22:16.57 | | rumour has it, buildroot is a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ or a heavily modified version used by the OpenZaurus project, or see oz buildroot |
| 22:17.05 | noidd | ibot, buildroot-z? |
| 22:17.06 | | bugger all, i dunno, noidd |
| 22:17.07 | noidd | ibot, buildroot-oz? |
| 22:17.09 | | oz bk is, like, bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 22:17.49 | noidd | kergoth: what would my username be? (its been THAT long) |
| 22:17.57 | kergoth | .. |
| 22:18.02 | kergoth | i already told you. |
| 22:18.10 | noidd | bk://username@openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot |
| 22:18.17 | noidd | lemme lastlog |
| 22:18.49 | kergoth | bkbits is always the project name |
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| 22:18.58 | kergoth | openzaurus@openzaurus.bkbits.net |
| 22:19.02 | kergoth | openembedded@openembedded.bkbits.net |
| 22:19.03 | kergoth | whatever |
| 22:20.25 | noidd | thanks |
| 22:21.06 | kergoth | np |
| 22:21.09 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:21.35 | ljp_ | *yawn* |
| 22:21.47 | noidd | i'm in, thank you |
| 22:23.27 | kergoth | pb_: what version of gtk does this expect? |
| 22:23.39 | kergoth | er of pygtk |
| 22:23.46 | pb_ | kergoth: uh, let me see what I have installed |
| 22:23.55 | kergoth | k |
| 22:24.34 | pb_ | Package: python2.3-gtk2 |
| 22:24.34 | pb_ | Version: 2.0.0-3 |
| 22:24.37 | pb_ | does that mean anything to you? |
| 22:26.26 | kergoth | hmm, not really |
| 22:26.27 | kergoth | grr |
| 22:26.28 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.28 | kergoth | TypeError: GtkLabel.__init__() takes exactly 1 argument (0 given) |
| 22:27.23 | noidd | yup |
| 22:27.37 | noidd | use label = gtk.Label('') |
| 22:27.53 | noidd | or however you specify an emprt string in python |
| 22:28.15 | pb_ | kergoth: suck. what version of pygtk do you have? |
| 22:28.25 | mickey|tv | looks like a pygtk 0.6.x (gtk1) vs. pygtk 1.99 or 2.0 (gtk2) mismatch |
| 22:28.42 | pb_ | I think you definitely need a gtk2 version for that. |
| 22:29.31 | kergoth | lets see, looks like pygtk2 package is 1.99.10, and installs into /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages, and i'm using the correct python binary, so thats what it shoudl be using |
| 22:30.43 | kergoth | mickey|tv: btw, never hardcode '/usr', use ${prefix} (re: distutils.oeclass) |
| 22:31.11 | mickey|tv | kergoth: k |
| 22:31.21 | mickey|tv | kergoth: how do you like oe_soinstall and oe_machinstall ? |
| 22:31.43 | kergoth | looks nice, have been planning on doing convenience functions like that at some point, glad to see them |
| 22:31.59 | kergoth | might want to think about what other ones would be useful, and add them now so they're consistent |
| 22:32.21 | mickey|tv | right. i was thinking ealier than later, because then we have to rewrite less and we have less "bad" examples ;) |
| 22:32.30 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:32.32 | kergoth | exactly |
| 22:33.14 | mickey|tv | i played a lot with oe recently (like you have seen by the commits). it's really good work. |
| 22:33.20 | kergoth | timriker prefers using a shell script for file installs and permissions sets, then the use of fakeroot for permissions handling for packages and images |
| 22:33.29 | kergoth | myself, i prefer the whole file manifest we discussed |
| 22:33.58 | mickey|tv | i'm with you on that. |
| 22:34.01 | kergoth | if the manifest had an entry for source location, it could do population for you, thereby moving all the cp/install/ln bits out |
| 22:34.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:34.31 | ljp_ | mmmm mango |
| 22:35.14 | mickey|tv | yes, the manifest idea is the best re. minimal maintenance and maximum clarity. |
| 22:35.23 | kergoth | e.g. src/.libs/libblah.so.1.2.0\t/usr/lib/libblah.so.1.2.0\t0755\t-\t-\t-\t- |
| 22:35.43 | kergoth | or actually, we'd want some form of type field. regular file vs dir vs device vs symlink |
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| 22:40.24 | treke|laptop | back. |
| 22:40.28 | mickey|tv | wb |
| 22:40.48 | ljp_ | where'd ya go? |
| 22:41.07 | pb_ | let's hope it was a better place. |
| 22:41.59 | mickey|tv | kergoth: oh, btw., ignore my changeset comments about a possible bug in the packaging classes - i was wondering why <..>/image/usr/lib/python2.3/... didn't get packaged - i know now about FILES_${PN} in the conf :D |
| 22:42.22 | kergoth | mickey|tv: ah, yeah. at first i had ${libdir}/*/ in the default files, but that caused issues |
| 22:42.44 | kergoth | mickey|tv: with a package that had a symlink in /usr/lib that linked to a directory. the / at the end caused it to resolve the link |
| 22:42.57 | kergoth | mickey|tv: and grab the files from the other location instead, so it didnt end up as a link in the package |
| 22:43.25 | kergoth | so yeah, just add FILES_packagename_append=' ${libdir}/python2.3' or something |
| 22:43.47 | mickey|tv | can i do that in the master conf or should i do it in the python.oe and distutils class? |
| 22:44.05 | noidd | hmmm |
| 22:44.10 | noidd | thud |
| 22:44.13 | kergoth | its specific to python, so i'd put it in the .oe and oeclass |
| 22:44.20 | mickey|tv | kergoth: right. will do. |
| 22:44.28 | kergoth | the .conf one isnt by any means intended to be an end solution, its just a generic often useful catchall |
| 22:44.47 | kergoth | but its easy to get spoiled by it and forget to set FILES_* yourself :) |
| 22:45.23 | mickey|tv | hehe, ok. OE is really fun now. have a look at the packages using the distutils class - it really can't get shorter. |
| 22:46.09 | kergoth | hehe, nice |
| 22:46.31 | kergoth | its like, just packaging metadata. almost nothing about the actual action steps |
| 22:46.34 | kergoth | so clean |
| 22:47.41 | mickey|tv | okay, may time's up for tonite. g'night all. cu |
| 22:47.45 | mickey|tv | s/may/my |
| 22:47.52 | kergoth | night |
| 23:14.50 | bisho | hi |
| 23:15.29 | bisho | have you see this? |
| 23:15.31 | bisho | http://www.opensistemas.com/Gentoo_for_Zaurus.715.0.html |
| 23:16.24 | ljp | yes |
| 23:16.48 | ljp | one question... why?! |
| 23:18.31 | bisho | XD |
| 23:18.41 | bisho | I don't really know... hehehe |
| 23:18.46 | bisho | XD |
| 23:19.02 | bisho | just imagine compiling X11 on your zaurus... |
| 23:19.23 | ljp | hehe |
| 23:19.50 | ljp | I cringe just thinking about compiling anything on my z |
| 23:19.54 | CosmicPenguin | There was a time when we all compiled X11 on 200 Mhz machines |
| 23:20.02 | CosmicPenguin | And doggone it, people liked it! |
| 23:20.20 | ljp | ya, well. there was a time where we all wrote on cave walls too |
| 23:20.35 | pb_ | some of us more recently than others |
| 23:21.30 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:21.45 | pb_ | well, I guess if you had a hard disk and a spare week, that wouldn't be too hard. |
| 23:22.15 | ljp | is that skiff cluster still up ? |
| 23:22.22 | pb_ | yup |
| 23:22.32 | pb_ | ibot, skiffcluster? |
| 23:22.34 | | rumour has it, skiffcluster is at http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 23:22.39 | pb_ | there it is. |
| 23:22.46 | pb_ | I think the clustercam is broken though. |
| 23:23.06 | ljp | bummer, I like to sit around on friday night and watch that |
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