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| 01:24.31 | ljp | smashie: have you tried the oz 3.3.6-rc1 (I think it is)? |
| 01:24.41 | ljp | hmm. nm |
| 01:25.21 | ljp | samshie: there is another rom with opie-1.02 on it that works well |
| 01:25.34 | ljp | ~opie-us |
| 01:25.39 | | from memory, opie-us is image here http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/initrds/OZ-Opie-1.02/ and feed here http://www.opie.us/feeds/sl5x00/ |
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| 01:59.04 | smashie | ljp well still OZ shouldnt freeze so often its wlan compatibility is crappy compared to tkr |
| 01:59.16 | smashie | tkr still runs very stable, didnt have any probs with it yet |
| 01:59.28 | smashie | so I am afraid somethin with OZ's wrong tho |
| 02:03.32 | ljp | my rom there works fine for me |
| 02:03.45 | ljp | your choice, of course |
| 02:03.53 | smashie | well you dont use a dlink DCF660W, do you? |
| 02:04.02 | smashie | and its not 'my choice' I am forced to use tkc |
| 02:04.21 | smashie | whats the use of OZ if I even cant reboot it, because the whole device freezes and I have to hardreset which fucks up the FS |
| 02:04.49 | smashie | I tried 3.2/3.3.5/3.3.6pre1 |
| 02:04.51 | smashie | all the same |
| 02:06.38 | ljp | yes, I have a 660, but I dont use it |
| 02:07.43 | smashie | before I had my wlan cf card |
| 02:07.46 | smashie | OZ was also running fine |
| 02:08.16 | ljp | hmmm |
| 02:08.38 | smashie | atleast I installed several progs without any problem and the device didnt freeze |
| 02:09.20 | smashie | OZ even doesnt detect my wlan card correctly ( tkr does ) |
| 02:10.55 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:11.21 | ljp | well, I could help with that, since I have a 600 |
| 02:11.23 | ljp | err 660 |
| 02:11.31 | smashie | maybe |
| 02:11.40 | smashie | like with tkr I just plug the card in, config it |
| 02:11.43 | smashie | and bang it works |
| 02:11.48 | smashie | with OZ I have to restart like 10 times |
| 02:11.50 | ljp | but its at home, so you have to wait |
| 02:12.08 | ljp | ahh.. |
| 02:12.16 | smashie | I'll sell my zaurus anyway, I am sure I'll get aleast 250-300 EUR for it tho |
| 02:12.33 | smashie | I only bought it in order to play some |
| 02:12.38 | smashie | especially with OZ |
| 02:12.50 | smashie | ofc I could run deb on it, but I'd have to buy a new SD card |
| 02:12.53 | Captain-Obvious | the 660W is a sucky card |
| 02:12.56 | smashie | but I dun want to |
| 02:13.04 | smashie | captain so? with tkr it works fine |
| 02:13.20 | smashie | with OZ I had detection probs |
| 02:13.21 | smashie | and such |
| 02:13.23 | Captain-Obvious | use an ambcom wl1100c-cf |
| 02:13.28 | smashie | just flashed tkr first time today |
| 02:13.31 | smashie | and I am impressed |
| 02:14.00 | smashie | omg |
| 02:14.10 | smashie | GMT +8 |
| 02:14.30 | smashie | or hm no +9 |
| 02:14.43 | smashie | err +10 /me is confused |
| 02:14.55 | smashie | ljp whats your timezone ( GMT not UTC standard ) |
| 02:15.13 | ljp | I live in queensland |
| 02:15.13 | smashie | should be +10 |
| 02:15.21 | ljp | yup |
| 02:15.41 | smashie | its 3:16 right here |
| 02:15.50 | smashie | GMT +1, Central Europe |
| 02:16.16 | ljp | 12:14 |
| 02:16.21 | smashie | when are you @ home? |
| 02:16.58 | ljp | in approx 5 hours |
| 02:16.58 | smashie | hmm then its 8:16 here |
| 02:16.58 | smashie | AM |
| 02:17.03 | smashie | I am probably asleep :p |
| 02:17.24 | smashie | but it would be interesting, if you had the same probs I have |
| 02:17.25 | ljp | but I am home, online for several hours after that |
| 02:18.31 | smashie | would be cool, if you tried it :) |
| 02:18.43 | smashie | I am interested in the result, like if its an OZ related bug or not |
| 02:19.37 | ljp | well, I am using a different kernel than you |
| 02:19.50 | smashie | hmm dev one? |
| 02:19.57 | smashie | or old 2.4.6? |
| 02:20.48 | ljp | 2.4.6 - stable, and it works |
| 02:21.02 | smashie | so an OZ backport? |
| 02:21.20 | ljp | no, just use that kernel |
| 02:21.26 | ljp | its at that url |
| 02:21.27 | smashie | but well I doubt the kernel's important, TKR uses also 2.4.18 ( or is it .16? I am not sure tho ) |
| 02:21.30 | smashie | and it runs fine |
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| 02:22.05 | ljp | but pcmcia is tied to the kernel, adn tkc probably uses an old pcmcia |
| 02:23.00 | smashie | hmm maybe |
| 02:23.10 | smashie | doesnt *nix emulate a virtual pci device for pcmcia/cf? |
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| 06:27.29 | chouimat | nite |
| 07:11.02 | smashie | captain well OZ is instable |
| 07:11.18 | Captain-Obvious | s/instable/unstable |
| 07:11.26 | smashie | like to get my wifi working I have to restrt 10 times, but thing is, after the first or second restart the whole OZ is broken |
| 07:11.27 | smashie | :) |
| 07:11.38 | Captain-Obvious | s/well OZ is instable/well OZ 3.3.5 is unstable |
| 07:11.45 | Captain-Obvious | what card do you have? |
| 07:11.49 | smashie | blame my keyboard |
| 07:11.54 | smashie | I am tired and i's next to u |
| 07:12.10 | Captain-Obvious | your not next to me. |
| 07:12.11 | smashie | the one you prejudiced in your \001PRIVMSG :9 |
| 07:12.40 | smashie | u meant as the key on my keyboard :) |
| 07:13.10 | Captain-Obvious | hmm |
| 07:13.14 | smashie | I am using a dlink wifi card, which works fucking fine on tkr, with OZ the device is only freezing and the wifi compatibility sucks cock |
| 07:13.31 | smashie | I'd be glad using OZ tho |
| 07:13.34 | smashie | but its not working |
| 07:13.39 | Captain-Obvious | oz works great with prism2/2.5/3 based cards. |
| 07:14.17 | smashie | maybe, but I dont have such one :) |
| 07:14.32 | Captain-Obvious | and as far as I know, everyone that has the dlink card thinks the dlink card sucks and got a good prism2 card. |
| 07:14.59 | smashie | hmm well I just paid 87 EUR for it, and I wont spend like 150 EUR for a wlan card |
| 07:14.59 | Captain-Obvious | smashie: if you think that OZ's support for that card sucks, why dont you fix it? |
| 07:15.27 | smashie | well I am not able to do so |
| 07:15.29 | smashie | I dont know anything about drivers |
| 07:17.09 | Captain-Obvious | do cardctl ident for me |
| 07:17.11 | smashie | I am not sure wether the randomly occuring device freezes ( only occuring when using OZ ) are because of OZ's unstability or because of the dlink card tho |
| 07:17.17 | smashie | I am not running OZ |
| 07:17.18 | smashie | :) |
| 07:17.21 | Captain-Obvious | do cardctl ident for me |
| 07:18.50 | smashie | err |
| 07:19.02 | Captain-Obvious | I have heard that the dlink card is not the most stable of cards |
| 07:19.16 | smashie | product info: "D-Link", "DCF-660W" |
| 07:19.17 | Captain-Obvious | like the netgear ma701. |
| 07:19.35 | Captain-Obvious | theres more than that |
| 07:20.00 | smashie | manfid: 0x601, 0x005 |
| 07:20.08 | smashie | function: 6 (network) |
| 07:20.14 | smashie | thats it |
| 07:20.16 | Captain-Obvious | k |
| 07:21.27 | smashie | OZ even doesnt detect the card correctly |
| 07:21.45 | smashie | which I also believe is teh reason why the device freezes randomly ( mostly at rebooting ) |
| 07:22.00 | Captain-Obvious | have you tried cardctl ident under OZ? |
| 07:22.11 | smashie | no |
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| 07:22.18 | smashie | I even cant |
| 07:22.30 | smashie | because I plugged in the card and I had to reboot in order to get it detected |
| 07:22.36 | Captain-Obvious | then how do you know that it doesnt detect the card correctly? |
| 07:22.44 | smashie | but the reboot 'failed' and the whole image was broken |
| 07:22.54 | smashie | because sometimes OZ detects it |
| 07:22.56 | smashie | and sometimes it doesnt |
| 07:23.05 | Captain-Obvious | "the reboot 'failed'"? |
| 07:23.17 | smashie | I rebooted and the device got frozen |
| 07:23.18 | Captain-Obvious | how was the image broken? |
| 07:23.22 | smashie | I had to hardreset it |
| 07:23.51 | Captain-Obvious | did you suppend the zaurus before you rebooted? |
| 07:23.53 | smashie | which broke several libs or sommit, anyway I had to reflash it ( I was told by several ppl ) because the work to get it working again is not worth it |
| 07:24.14 | smashie | suppend? |
| 07:24.26 | Captain-Obvious | supsend |
| 07:24.35 | Captain-Obvious | ibot spell supsend |
| 07:24.38 | | possible spellings for supsend: suspend sup send sup-send sups end sups-end spend suspends supposed suspender spurned upend spent spanned spawned spoused spasmed supped sudsed suspense soused spaced surpassed stipend suspended |
| 07:24.49 | Captain-Obvious | to late at night |
| 07:24.52 | Captain-Obvious | suspend |
| 07:25.05 | smashie | *how* do I suspend it, and what does it do? |
| 07:25.30 | Captain-Obvious | its called holding down the cancel button untill it turns off |
| 07:25.43 | Captain-Obvious | thats suspending it |
| 07:25.48 | smashie | and no I dont |
| 07:25.52 | smashie | I just use shutdown/reboot |
| 07:26.15 | smashie | and wait then the device gets frozen and the green and orange lights are on ( like if I was flashing ) |
| 07:26.16 | Captain-Obvious | And hitting the hard reset wont make you lose files |
| 07:26.22 | smashie | only way to get rid of it, is a hardreset |
| 07:26.31 | smashie | captain well it did |
| 07:26.31 | Captain-Obvious | thats the 2.4.6 kernel bug |
| 07:26.31 | smashie | .. |
| 07:26.40 | smashie | I am not using a 2.4.6 kernel |
| 07:26.44 | Captain-Obvious | OZ |
| 07:27.06 | Captain-Obvious | where did I put that clue-by-four? |
| 07:27.17 | smashie | last time this happened was with OZ 3.3.6 pre1 with 2.4.18 |
| 07:28.05 | Captain-Obvious | OZ 3.3.5 and 3.3.6 pre1 are UNSTABLE, testing releases. |
| 07:28.19 | Captain-Obvious | things are going to be broken |
| 07:28.20 | smashie | I am aware of that |
| 07:28.22 | smashie | :) |
| 07:28.38 | smashie | but I doubt that you cant reboot without having your device frozen totally and if you reset it you loose data |
| 07:29.20 | Captain-Obvious | and saying that OZ sucks becouse an unstable testing release crashed with your card, is INresonable. |
| 07:29.31 | smashie | maybe |
| 07:29.40 | Captain-Obvious | smashie: have you RTFM'ed? |
| 07:29.58 | smashie | depends on what you're referring to |
| 07:30.26 | Captain-Obvious | I started using OZ at verson 3.2. I have NEVER lost the ramdisk when I hit the fullrest button |
| 07:30.37 | Captain-Obvious | s/fullrest/fullreset |
| 07:30.39 | smashie | I started with 3.3.5 and I did |
| 07:31.17 | Captain-Obvious | have you used 3.2 or 3.3.4? |
| 07:31.27 | smashie | 3.3.5 |
| 07:31.30 | Captain-Obvious | have you used 3.2 or 3.3.4? |
| 07:31.35 | smashie | 3.3.5 |
| 07:31.54 | smashie | you should ask more precisely |
| 07:32.04 | Captain-Obvious | smashie: have you, or have you not used openzaurus 3.2 or 3.3.4? |
| 07:32.10 | smashie | if you wanted to know wether I *already* tried those you mentioned |
| 07:32.20 | smashie | and yes I used 3.2 before |
| 07:32.38 | smashie | not with my wlan card |
| 07:33.13 | Captain-Obvious | smashie: 3.2 works with most cf wireless cards. even the socket cards |
| 07:33.21 | Captain-Obvious | the dlink one works with it. |
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| 07:33.30 | Captain-Obvious | smashie: give oza 3.3.4 a try |
| 07:33.33 | smashie | it also works with 3.3.5 and 3.3.6 pre1 |
| 07:33.46 | smashie | it just needs dozens of reboots and some tweaking |
| 07:34.04 | Captain-Obvious | oz 3.3.4 is oz 3.2 with opie 1.0.2 |
| 07:34.18 | Captain-Obvious | ljp: was nice enough to make it for us |
| 07:34.28 | smashie | anyway its not just the wifi support .. after I tried installing game my filesystem got corrupt |
| 07:34.30 | smashie | none know why |
| 07:34.31 | Captain-Obvious | it uses the 2.4.6 kernal |
| 07:34.31 | smashie | nor do I |
| 07:34.38 | Captain-Obvious | kernel |
| 07:34.39 | smashie | it didnt happen with tkr, but with OZ |
| 07:35.01 | smashie | s/game/gaim |
| 07:35.07 | Captain-Obvious | smashie: its kinda hard to mess up a read only FS |
| 07:35.19 | smashie | it wasnt readonly |
| 07:35.28 | smashie | my rootfs got corrupt, dunno why |
| 07:35.40 | Captain-Obvious | smashie: shit happens when your using a testing release |
| 07:35.49 | Captain-Obvious | smashie: do you report bugs? |
| 07:35.51 | smashie | I reflashed then the files which didnt work before, worked but other files didnt work and it was corrupt again ( not just the files ) |
| 07:35.58 | smashie | well |
| 07:36.09 | smashie | I cant assure somethin's a bug or not |
| 07:36.30 | smashie | treke said maybe my device is broken, or he doesnt know ... he couldnt tell me why my FS gets broken randomly |
| 07:36.42 | Captain-Obvious | smashie: you keep doing what broke it untill you are sure of what happend, then report hte bug |
| 07:37.08 | Captain-Obvious | I just spent $50 on an old pda so I could track down a bug in an opie app |
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| 07:37.32 | smashie | well I doubt its a bug |
| 07:37.34 | Captain-Obvious | smashie: all the zaurus pdas have the diag menus |
| 07:37.42 | Captain-Obvious | they have tests for the flash |
| 07:37.44 | smashie | because many other users with SL5x00 use gaim |
| 07:37.48 | smashie | with OZ 3.3.5 |
| 07:37.51 | smashie | without any problems |
| 07:37.53 | Captain-Obvious | I use GAIM |
| 07:37.56 | Captain-Obvious | no problems :) |
| 07:38.00 | Captain-Obvious | gaim .3 |
| 07:38.04 | smashie | yea .. |
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| 07:38.17 | smashie | so how should it be a bug |
| 07:38.20 | Captain-Obvious | at least I dont think there are any problems... lol |
| 07:38.21 | smashie | if it works for you and the rest |
| 07:38.25 | smashie | but just not for me |
| 07:38.36 | Captain-Obvious | smashie: give oz 3.3.4 a try |
| 07:38.53 | Captain-Obvious | the worst that could happen is you'll need to reflash it |
| 07:39.01 | Captain-Obvious | ibot: oz 3.3.4 |
| 07:39.03 | | oz 3.3.4 is, like, http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/initrds/OZ-Opie-1.02/ , a nice new version using opie 1.02. OZ 3.2 with updated opie |
| 07:39.08 | smashie | I'll do after I get up again |
| 07:39.51 | smashie | anyway how come an old kernel hasnt as many probs as a newer one |
| 07:39.56 | smashie | thats strange to me |
| 07:40.12 | Captain-Obvious | becouse the new kernel is still in testing. |
| 07:40.21 | Captain-Obvious | thats why its a "testing release" |
| 07:40.36 | smashie | and why did I loose data, although you said its not possible? |
| 07:40.38 | Captain-Obvious | the bugs are being worked out of it. |
| 07:40.54 | smashie | I mean after a hard/fullreset |
| 07:40.59 | Captain-Obvious | smashie: I didnt say that its not posable |
| 07:41.16 | smashie | s/posable/possible |
| 07:41.32 | Captain-Obvious | kergoth wrote the thing not to wipe the ram disk |
| 07:42.03 | Captain-Obvious | the sharp rom wipes the ramdisk when you hit the full reset button |
| 07:42.04 | smashie | you are using 3.3.4? |
| 07:42.08 | Captain-Obvious | yes I am |
| 07:42.13 | Captain-Obvious | on both my Zaurii |
| 07:42.15 | smashie | did you use 3.3.5? |
| 07:42.37 | Captain-Obvious | I tried it. it was too unstable for my daily use of my zaurus |
| 07:42.52 | smashie | ok |
| 07:42.57 | smashie | anyway I'll go to bed |
| 07:43.02 | smashie | thanks for the talk |
| 07:43.07 | smashie | I'll give 3.3.4 a try |
| 07:43.11 | smashie | c ya later |
| 07:43.11 | Captain-Obvious | k |
| 07:43.14 | Captain-Obvious | night |
| 07:44.25 | Captain-Obvious | lol |
| 07:45.12 | Captain-Obvious | ljp: I got my mom using my 5000d |
| 07:45.30 | Captain-Obvious | playing games on it that you cant get for free for the palm os |
| 07:45.57 | ljp | cool |
| 07:46.19 | ljp | my mom barely can do AOL's chat |
| 07:46.22 | Captain-Obvious | heh |
| 07:46.40 | ljp | had to teach her to IM |
| 07:48.16 | ljp | I should try that 2.4.18 kernel |
| 07:49.01 | Captain-Obvious | I should try 3.3.6 pre1... but I dont feel like reinstalling everthing again |
| 07:49.42 | Captain-Obvious | ljp: any idea why aqpkg would say that I have a package installed, but it not show up in the laucher even after I used ipkg-link? |
| 07:51.51 | ljp | hmmm. not off hand |
| 07:55.18 | Captain-Obvious | hmm |
| 07:55.46 | Captain-Obvious | where did mickeyl put wellenreiter's new website? |
| 07:57.38 | ljp | somewhere on the internet |
| 07:57.58 | Captain-Obvious | ibot: wellenreiter |
| 07:58.00 | | Wellenreiter info is avalble at http://www.wellenreiter.net/ and now downloadable from http://www.vanille.de/projects/wellenreiter.html |
| 07:58.20 | ljp | yup. thats part of the internet |
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| 08:07.55 | Captain-Obvious | ljp: the keyboard I got for my Palm Vx has a broken spring on the space bar so I emailed the guy I got it from, and he is going to send me a new one and I dont need to send the other one back |
| 08:08.15 | ljp | hmmmm. thats cool, I suppose |
| 08:09.01 | Captain-Obvious | the space bar works, it just doesnt spring back to the up postion |
| 08:11.40 | ljp | stick a frog under there |
| 08:13.27 | Captain-Obvious | hmmm |
| 08:13.38 | Captain-Obvious | seems I filled up my ram disk |
| 08:14.06 | ljp | get a vacuume |
| 08:14.35 | ljp | oh man, I am frickin funny today |
| 08:23.42 | Captain-Obvious | odd |
| 08:23.59 | Captain-Obvious | claims that the file is there, but it is not |
| 08:32.21 | ljp | hmmmmaybe there's a bit of dark matter on your device |
| 08:33.36 | Captain-Obvious | yeah, it could have been that black hole I passed back a while |
| 08:34.12 | ljp | and I suppose you weren't wearing your aluminum foil hat? |
| 08:34.47 | Captain-Obvious | its a Titanium foil hat. |
| 08:37.32 | Captain-Obvious | http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=segway_more_complicated_than_it_needs_to_be |
| 08:38.49 | ljp | hmm, thats why. you need aluminum |
| 08:40.39 | Captain-Obvious | Titanium is a fashion statement |
| 08:42.38 | Captain-Obvious | the nerd segway-> http://tlb.org/scooter.html |
| 08:47.22 | ljp | cool |
| 09:14.12 | ljp | hmmm |
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| 09:22.33 | ljp | hmm hmm hmm |
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| 11:03.56 | heatxsink | sweetness a new rom |
| 11:03.59 | heatxsink | hehehe |
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| 13:52.17 | CIA-1_ | repository=03packages user=11mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de |
| 13:52.17 | CIA-1_ | 07ChangeSet@1.421 add libpcap 0.8.1 to buildsystem. rewrote the shared libray patch and stripped all bogus debianisms :) |
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| 16:08.36 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:17.07 | gb2 | morning kergoth |
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| 16:21.50 | Disconnect | kergoth: how's that keyboard patch going? (i'll refrain from 'it was due last year' jokes if you will ;) ..) |
| 16:22.06 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a comment punishable by death |
| 16:22.25 | CosmicPenguin | Either that, or being forced to sit in a room and watch Dilbert cartoons in a "clockwork orange" style |
| 16:23.42 | Disconnect | the animated version or the comics? |
| 16:24.37 | CosmicPenguin | No, the actual strips, with an old high school projector |
| 16:24.39 | CosmicPenguin | out of focus |
| 16:25.58 | Disconnect | ah. thats not so bad. you had me worried ;) |
| 16:26.31 | CosmicPenguin | Watching the animiated version is against the Geneva Convention |
| 16:29.19 | Disconnect | heh |
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| 16:42.24 | treke|home | nothing says time to go to work on this day I'd rather stay home like a cold shower and shave |
| 16:55.13 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:55.59 | kergoth | morning chouimat |
| 16:56.07 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
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| 17:25.51 | treke | mornin kergoth |
| 17:25.57 | treke | any news on your intet access? |
| 17:29.36 | kergoth | no :\ |
| 17:30.41 | treke | what the fuck kind of isp do you have |
| 17:31.24 | kergoth | a fucking slow one, apparently |
| 17:31.29 | kergoth | need to call today and bitch |
| 17:31.56 | treke | "Don't bother sending a repair guy, just pick your shit up" |
| 17:32.03 | kergoth | well, their guy didnt come out till last monday, cause i was too lazy to call and get a tech out |
| 17:32.18 | kergoth | so it hasnt been *that* long |
| 17:32.40 | treke | a full week is long enough :) |
| 17:32.51 | pb_ | hi chaps |
| 17:32.58 | treke | pb_: blek |
| 17:33.04 | kergoth | true true |
| 17:33.05 | kergoth | hey pb_ |
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| 18:02.50 | treke | what doesnt work now? |
| 18:03.03 | twiun | hi guys, happy new year and all that |
| 18:10.10 | CosmicPenguin | treke: same old shit, different day |
| 18:10.27 | treke | so true. |
| 18:11.09 | treke | CosmicPenguin: you gonna push your ipaq-pxa stuff? |
| 18:11.50 | CosmicPenguin | treke: yeah, still working out the kinks |
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| 18:11.55 | CosmicPenguin | treke: then I have to learn how BK works |
| 18:12.05 | treke | hehe |
| 18:12.15 | treke | bk citool is your friend :) |
| 18:15.47 | treke | that was quick |
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| 18:25.11 | CosmicPenguin | ahhh, nut bunnies |
| 18:25.18 | CosmicPenguin | Damn driver built for x86 instead of arm |
| 18:25.39 | chouimat | ARRRGGGGGG |
| 18:26.46 | chouimat | ibot lart gcc 2.95.2 |
| 18:28.54 | treke | you can use 2.95.3 also |
| 18:29.29 | chouimat | treke: I know ... |
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| 18:48.20 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - this sucker works slock |
| 18:48.29 | CosmicPenguin | I want one - bad |
| 18:48.37 | CosmicPenguin | s/slock/slick/ |
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| 19:01.31 | kergoth | woot! |
| 19:01.37 | mickeyl | hi kergoth |
| 19:01.40 | kergoth | my cable modem came up at home while i was at lunch |
| 19:01.46 | mickeyl | wow! |
| 19:01.49 | mickeyl | congrats :) |
| 19:01.51 | kergoth | finally |
| 19:01.56 | kergoth | :) thanks |
| 19:02.00 | _Psycho | omg |
| 19:02.11 | CosmicPenguin | grr... the audio isn't working - at least through the headphone |
| 19:02.12 | _Psycho | 2004 is a good start then ! =p |
| 19:03.17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:03.19 | chouimat | hmmm speaking of lunch .... I think I will go see which restaurant are opened here today ... since the grocery is closed .... |
| 19:03.20 | kergoth | apparently |
| 19:03.47 | treke | lunch sounds good |
| 19:04.07 | chouimat | hmmm McDonald's seems to be open |
| 19:04.46 | treke | why wouldnt anyone be open... it's just january second :) |
| 19:05.13 | chouimat | treke: holiday in Quebec |
| 19:05.30 | _Psycho | hmmmm food |
| 19:05.39 | treke | food sounds good |
| 19:05.48 | _Psycho | bah most stuff is open in Quebec |
| 19:06.00 | chouimat | _Psycho: except the store |
| 19:06.04 | _Psycho | Ah well |
| 19:06.22 | _Psycho | i still have 4 days of vacation |
| 19:06.33 | _Psycho | im not going to shopping anyway ;) |
| 19:07.09 | chouimat | _Psycho: I just have buffalo wings and cat food here so I will go shopping food tomorrow |
| 19:07.36 | _Psycho | grocery should be open, geesh =p |
| 19:07.42 | _Psycho | I bet they are anyway here |
| 19:08.35 | chouimat | _Psycho: not here |
| 19:08.45 | treke | buffalo wings and cat food. breakfast of champions |
| 19:09.21 | chouimat | hmmm Xandros 2.0 is definitly usable for my father .... |
| 19:10.34 | kergoth | hmm, wtf? |
| 19:10.35 | kergoth | NOTE: Fetch cvs://anoncvs:anoncvs@cvs.infradead.org/home/cvs;module=mtd |
| 19:10.35 | kergoth | DEBUG: Running /usr/bin/env LD_PRELOAD="$HOME/.tconn/tconn.so" cvs -d:pserver:anoncvs:anoncvs@cvs.infradead.org:/home/cvs co -r mtd |
| 19:10.38 | kergoth | cvs [checkout aborted]: must specify at least one module or directory |
| 19:13.28 | mickeyl | huh? |
| 19:13.48 | kergoth | oh, theres no tag |
| 19:13.48 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 19:13.58 | mickeyl | ah |
| 19:14.29 | mickeyl | blindness. you'll see the commandline and you need to look 10 times to spot the error ... happens often enough to me |
| 19:14.59 | mickeyl | hah. success. tin builds |
| 19:15.14 | treke | cool |
| 19:15.26 | treke | though opie-mail does do nntp |
| 19:15.28 | mickeyl | had to patch twice because it builds some helpers native |
| 19:15.51 | mickeyl | treke: yeah, but on the c7x0 the console is so nice i want to have some console apps |
| 19:16.01 | mickeyl | treke: if for nothing else, than to show off :D |
| 19:21.14 | mickeyl | hmm no CIA bot? |
| 19:23.34 | mickeyl | okay, prepare for a newbie question |
| 19:23.39 | mickeyl | how do i build .ipk' |
| 19:23.40 | treke | can we put a quiz on the download page for OZ? |
| 19:23.41 | mickeyl | with OE ? |
| 19:23.55 | treke | mickeyl: INHERIT=package_ipk oebuild foo.oe |
| 19:24.05 | mickeyl | treke: thanks. trying that. |
| 19:24.07 | mickeyl | what quiz? |
| 19:24.28 | treke | maybe like a basic skills quiz. "How do I turn it on" "How do I start an app" |
| 19:25.03 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 19:25.06 | mickeyl | sounds good to me |
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| 19:31.38 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:31.45 | mickeyl | NOTE: package tin-1.7.3-r0: task do_package_ipk started |
| 19:31.46 | mickeyl | ar: /usr/local/projects/oe-packages/tmp/base/tin-1.7.3-r0/install//usr/local/projects/oe-packages/tmp/deploy/ipk/tin_1.7.3-r0_arm.ipk: No such file or directory |
| 19:31.46 | kergoth | k, OEDIR is dead |
| 19:32.02 | kergoth | eh, thats odd |
| 19:32.50 | mickeyl | hmm... maybe it's supposed to do that. i didn't add any special clauses for ipk creation in the tin .oe yet. it's probably not supposed to work out of the box, right? |
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| 19:33.01 | kergoth | it is supposed to work out of the box |
| 19:33.05 | mickeyl | oh it is? |
| 19:33.07 | mickeyl | hmm odd then |
| 19:33.13 | kergoth | theres nothing special you have to do |
| 19:33.14 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:34.07 | gb2 | kergoth: no more OEDIR? |
| 19:34.36 | mickeyl | i built ipkg-native and ipkg-utils-native. that should be sufficient for ipkg creation... |
| 19:34.44 | kergoth | gb2: nah. it still adds your set OEDIR to OEPATH, for compatibility |
| 19:34.53 | kergoth | so nothing breaks.. |
| 19:34.58 | kergoth | just nobody uses it directly in the code |
| 19:35.50 | gb2 | kergoth: ah |
| 19:36.17 | kergoth | gb2: trying to reduce the amount of setup you have to do to get operating |
| 19:37.18 | mickeyl | hmm aah |
| 19:37.26 | mickeyl | .//usr/local/projects/oe-packages/tmp/base/tin-1.7.3-r0/install//usr/local/projects/oe-packages/tmp/deploy/ipk/tin_1.7.3-r0_arm.ipk: |
| 19:37.29 | gb2 | kergoth: cool cool |
| 19:37.29 | mickeyl | that path is bogus |
| 19:37.42 | kergoth | mickeyl: yep, it is |
| 19:37.44 | mickeyl | that has $OEDIR in the middle of the path |
| 19:37.50 | pb_ | kergoth: aha. riker got to you, then. |
| 19:37.56 | kergoth | pb_: yep :) |
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| 19:40.49 | mickeyl | hmm. i don't see how $OEDIR gets in that path twice |
| 19:41.27 | kergoth | it isnt OEDIR. it looks like os.path.abspath believes the /usr/local/blah path isnt absolute, so makes it so by adding the current dir, or something |
| 19:41.30 | kergoth | wild guess |
| 19:41.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:42.16 | mickeyl | right. hmm... now how do i convince it that it is an abspath? :) |
| 19:44.27 | kergoth | mickeyl: edit package_ipk.oeclass, print out the ipkg-build line it calls. it should do that anyway, make it an oedebug(1,...) |
| 19:44.50 | mickeyl | yup - doing that now |
| 19:45.12 | kergoth | pb_: you know off the top of your head which glibc install target installs the gmp headers? install-headers doesnt, oddly enough |
| 19:45.32 | gb2 | gmp headers? |
| 19:45.47 | kergoth | gmp.h & friends |
| 19:49.45 | pb_ | kergoth: not offhand, sorry |
| 19:49.53 | kergoth | np |
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| 19:53.00 | kergoth | yo TheMasterMind1 |
| 19:53.45 | gb2 | kergoth: as in the gnu multiprecision library? |
| 19:53.49 | pb_ | gadzooks. this stupid PC won't POST when the hard disk is connected to power. I guess its PSU must be too feeble. |
| 19:53.50 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 19:54.03 | pb_ | hi tmm1 |
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| 19:54.10 | gb2 | kergoth: that's gmp, not glibc |
| 19:54.48 | mattaw | hey guys, just uploaded 3.3.6pre1 for my 5600 after a v busy christmas and its really great |
| 19:54.49 | gb2 | http://www.swox.com/gmp/ |
| 19:55.34 | kergoth | oh. wonder why its headers are in the glibc sources then |
| 19:55.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:55.53 | pb_ | kergoth: it's conceivable that glibc uses gmp internally but doesn't expose its interface. |
| 19:56.02 | gb2 | kergoth: sure it's the same gmp? |
| 19:56.08 | pb_ | gb2: yeah, it's the same. |
| 19:56.12 | kergoth | pb_: yeah, guess thatd be most likely |
| 19:56.28 | pb_ | oh, come to think of it, I think all the stdio code (printf/scanf and so on) is implemented using gmp. |
| 19:56.53 | gb2 | interesting |
| 19:56.54 | pb_ | so yeah, I guess those headers are just there to avoid a build dependency on gmp. |
| 19:57.05 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:57.07 | mickeyl | mattaw: :D |
| 19:57.12 | gb2 | it's a cutdown gmp |
| 19:57.15 | gb2 | not a full one |
| 19:57.18 | pb_ | right. |
| 19:58.13 | gb2 | based on gmp 2.0 it seems |
| 19:58.16 | pb_ | I think there's also some bits of glibc that require longlong.h, which (iirc) is logically part of gmp but has been forked by countless packages. |
| 19:59.18 | gb2 | pb: gcc seems to have a longlong.h, so does the arm kernel headers |
| 20:00.30 | pb_ | yup |
| 20:00.57 | gb2 | the only installed version this box i'm looking at has is <wx/longlong.h> |
| 20:00.58 | pb_ | I think the kernel one is different, but gcc and glibc both use the one from gmp. |
| 20:01.00 | mattaw | mickeyl, you responsible? |
| 20:01.07 | gb2 | which is different |
| 20:01.22 | mickeyl | mattaw: ya, i did 3.3.6-pre1. (not the 5600 build though) |
| 20:01.29 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmm.... ts_calibrate doesn't seem to be happy on the h5500 |
| 20:01.43 | gb2 | pb: glibc/gcc/gmp don't install a longlong.h |
| 20:02.08 | gb2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.12 | gb2 | that's the beginning of the kernel one |
| 20:02.45 | pb_ | gb2: right; the don't install it, but they ship it in their source code. |
| 20:02.51 | pb_ | s/the/they/ |
| 20:03.22 | mickeyl | debug output comes: |
| 20:03.23 | mickeyl | NOTE: package tin-1.7.3-r0: task do_package_ipk started |
| 20:03.23 | mickeyl | DEBUG: calling ipkg-build -o root -g root tin /usr/local/projects/oe-packages/tmp/deploy/ipk |
| 20:03.23 | mickeyl | ar: /usr/local/projects/oe-packages/tmp/base/tin-1.7.3-r0/install//usr/local/projects/oe-packages/tmp/deploy/ipk/tin_1.7.3-r0_arm.ipk: No such file or directory |
| 20:04.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:08.13 | kergoth | bleh |
| 20:08.14 | kergoth | configure: error: conditional "am__fastdepCXX" was never defined. |
| 20:08.14 | kergoth | Usually this means the macro was only invoked conditionally. |
| 20:08.16 | kergoth | i hate that. |
| 20:13.18 | mickeyl | ugh |
| 20:13.27 | mickeyl | hah. something for the faq |
| 20:13.35 | mickeyl | don't put the packages in a directory with a hypen |
| 20:13.38 | mickeyl | hyphen even |
| 20:14.42 | kergoth | what packages? |
| 20:14.51 | mickeyl | metadata directory |
| 20:14.59 | mickeyl | mine is called oe-packages |
| 20:15.01 | kergoth | err, thats odd |
| 20:15.13 | mickeyl | and somehow the parser chokes on that, e.g. mkdir bails out with unknown command |
| 20:15.31 | mickeyl | s/command/option |
| 20:18.30 | mickeyl | hmm... obviously ipkg-build doesn't want to be called with an absolute path. |
| 20:25.03 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 20:25.18 | mickeyl | so this just doesn't work for me? |
| 20:25.55 | kergoth | i havent tried it in a while |
| 20:26.14 | mickeyl | could you please do if you have a minute |
| 20:26.18 | mickeyl | no matter what package |
| 20:33.33 | chouimat | _Psycho: subway was open |
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| 20:41.08 | kergoth | pb_: heh, hacking up freeswan makefiles to handle getting passed cflags,ldflags,cppflags |
| 20:41.26 | pb_ | kergoth: aha. |
| 20:41.44 | ljp | boom |
| 20:41.50 | pb_ | there was some other package I was looking at that had that problem. maybe grub. |
| 20:42.02 | pb_ | did ljp just blow up? |
| 20:42.08 | kergoth | its pretty common for non-auto* builds |
| 20:42.22 | kergoth | most people dont know about the 'override' gmake directive |
| 20:42.43 | pb_ | right |
| 20:43.03 | kergoth | course you can do it without that, as long as you keep a seperate _CFLAGS or whatever for the stuff you cant have removed |
| 20:43.14 | kergoth | guess most devs dont think about it when they do the makefile |
| 20:43.17 | kergoth | s/$/s/ |
| 20:43.20 | pb_ | yup |
| 20:44.13 | pb_ | as you probably guessed, one of my projects at the moment is building a router with oe. |
| 20:46.20 | kergoth | ah thats cool |
| 20:46.27 | kergoth | hey weird, never noticed this gmake quirk.. |
| 20:46.29 | ljp | thats inconceivable! |
| 20:46.30 | kergoth | if you just have: |
| 20:46.37 | kergoth | LDFLAGS=-Lblah |
| 20:46.46 | kergoth | then the cmdline overridden one blows that away |
| 20:46.48 | kergoth | if, you have: |
| 20:46.54 | kergoth | ifneq (somethingorother,) |
| 20:46.57 | kergoth | LDFLAGS=-Lblah |
| 20:46.58 | kergoth | endif |
| 20:47.09 | kergoth | then the LDFLAGS in that if block overrides the cmdline, not vice versa. |
| 20:47.14 | pb_ | oh, that's weird. |
| 20:47.28 | kergoth | yep. if you change that = to a +=, it gets properly overridden |
| 20:47.40 | CosmicPenguin | Has anyone heard any rumors about headphones not working on the Ipaq 54xx series? |
| 20:48.07 | CosmicPenguin | The builtin mic seems to work ok, but xnay on the headphones |
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| 20:49.45 | ljp | its a sign |
| 20:50.22 | pb_ | ljp: you're in an unusually profound mood today |
| 20:50.58 | CosmicPenguin | ljp: god doesn't want me to do RDP based audio> |
| 20:51.01 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 20:53.04 | ljp | heheh yup |
| 20:53.18 | ljp | some people will do anything to get here http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8307723%255E421,00.html |
| 20:53.38 | kergoth | pb_: er, i cant repro it in a small test case.. must be some odd quirk of that particular build. maybe they screw with the vars make uses to pass its cmdline to submakes or something |
| 20:53.42 | kergoth | oh well |
| 20:55.03 | treke|home | damn. still no hot water |
| 20:56.02 | pb_ | hell. |
| 20:56.02 | mickeyl | treke: does ipkg-build accept absolute paths as output dir on your system? |
| 21:03.39 | treke|home | lipkg ipkg-build /tmp? |
| 21:04.15 | mickeyl | no as output dir |
| 21:04.19 | mickeyl | ipkg-build blabla /tmp |
| 21:04.22 | mickeyl | that doesn't work here |
| 21:04.25 | treke|home | ah |
| 21:04.33 | mickeyl | keeps me hanging since two hours now |
| 21:05.05 | treke|home | that doesnt seem to be a valid option |
| 21:05.33 | mickeyl | works for some people and that's how it's called in oe |
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| 21:05.38 | mickeyl | but it damn doesn't work for me here |
| 21:05.45 | treke|home | ahecho Usage: /home/ggilbert/oe/buildroot-husky-gcc3/output/staging/build/bin/ipkg-build [-c] [-o owner] [-g group] <pkg_directory> s |
| 21:06.01 | kergoth | s? |
| 21:06.01 | treke|home | of course, my ipkg-build is pretty old |
| 21:06.09 | mickeyl | mine is a fresh 1.0 from cvs |
| 21:06.09 | treke|home | kergoth: the echo is part of it's output also |
| 21:06.16 | treke|home | kergoth: wierd shit. |
| 21:06.19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:06.30 | mickeyl | grr probably just ipkg-utils to blame... |
| 21:07.10 | ljp | seems some packages in buildroot have not been pushed, but they are listed in pkg.conf |
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| 21:10.07 | pb_ | treke|home: yeah, I have no idea why that extra "echo" is there. I'll remove it. |
| 21:10.55 | pb_ | btw, the latest ipkg-build from cvs works fine with absolute output dir for me. |
| 21:11.05 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 21:11.17 | kergoth | mickeyl: is the checkout dated, or from the tip of HEAD? |
| 21:11.23 | mickeyl | i just checked that out |
| 21:11.40 | mickeyl | kergoth: NOTE: fetch cvs://anoncvs:anoncvs@192.58.209.91/cvs;module=ipkg-utils |
| 21:11.45 | mickeyl | head |
| 21:11.48 | ljp | Makefile:184: *** must select at least one 2.4.18 kernel in the config system. Stop. |
| 21:11.56 | ljp | what does that mean? |
| 21:12.17 | kergoth | it probably means what it says, you need to go into menuconfig and enable a kernel |
| 21:12.40 | ljp | ummm. the kernel enabled to get that is kernel-collie-2.4.18 |
| 21:12.46 | kergoth | heh, odd |
| 21:12.57 | ljp | hmmmpft |
| 21:13.07 | ljp | ~kick buildroot |
| 21:13.11 | | bugger off sod! |
| 21:13.35 | ljp | damn, even ibot hates me today |
| 21:14.49 | pb_ | oh dear, parted toasted my root partition. |
| 21:14.54 | kergoth | ack |
| 21:15.42 | pb_ | suck. now I have to figure out how to reinstall with this losing bios that can't boot from usb or network. |
| 21:17.48 | mickeyl | ugh |
| 21:17.49 | mickeyl | *cry* |
| 21:17.52 | mickeyl | it works now |
| 21:17.55 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:18.01 | pb_ | hah |
| 21:18.30 | mickeyl | t'was too old |
| 21:18.44 | mickeyl | but somehow it didn't get overwritten by oebuild ipkg-utils |
| 21:18.53 | mickeyl | after i deleted it manually in staging it worked |
| 21:19.00 | mickeyl | puh. |
| 21:19.10 | kergoth | heh, ipkg-utils doenst put anything in staging. ipkg-utils-native does. |
| 21:19.20 | mickeyl | yeah, i meant to say that |
| 21:19.24 | kergoth | ah, k |
| 21:19.32 | mickeyl | just was too lazy to type -native |
| 21:19.38 | mickeyl | anyway... i need a break |
| 21:19.39 | mickeyl | cu |
| 21:19.49 | kergoth | k, i pushed that cvs fetch rework i did a week ago, let me know if anything breaks |
| 21:20.11 | kergoth | now it checks it out, tars it up and sticks the tarball in the downloads area including host,module,tag, and date, and then uses that from there |
| 21:21.42 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a good idea |
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| 21:26.15 | kergoth | "Show respect for age. Drink good Scotch for a change." |
| 21:27.40 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:38.45 | treke|home | pb_: It might not be in current ipkg-utils, mine is 6 months old or so :) |
| 21:43.20 | pb_ | treke|home: heh. |
| 21:43.43 | treke|home | which might account for why it's totally f*cked, but I doubt it |
| 21:47.32 | mickey|tv | just for the records... "mmmh... textmode :-D" => http://handhelds.org/scap/ |
| 21:48.55 | treke|home | lame screenshot |
| 21:49.00 | treke|home | you could have enabled colors |
| 21:49.30 | mickey|tv | colors in tin? cool |
| 21:49.44 | treke|home | that's a surprise? :p |
| 21:49.51 | mickey|tv | to me, yes |
| 21:49.52 | mickey|tv | :) |
| 21:50.01 | mickey|tv | been using tin since 10 years now |
| 21:50.05 | mickey|tv | well... nearly |
| 21:50.22 | mickey|tv | never bothered to upgrade to new versions :) |
| 21:50.36 | treke|home | ad use_color=ON to your ~/.tin/tinrc |
| 21:50.39 | treke|home | add |
| 21:51.14 | mickey|tv | wow |
| 21:51.19 | mickey|tv | colourful |
| 21:51.22 | treke|home | hehe |
| 21:51.25 | mickey|tv | have to tweak default settings thoug |
| 21:51.29 | Captain-Obvious | hey treke |
| 21:51.37 | treke|home | now you've joined me in the 90s :p |
| 21:51.38 | Captain-Obvious | I got my Palm V cases |
| 21:51.43 | mickey|tv | hehe |
| 21:51.45 | Captain-Obvious | all 14 of them |
| 21:52.00 | Captain-Obvious | hey mickey|tv |
| 21:52.19 | Captain-Obvious | I'm having trouble with wellenreiter |
| 21:53.08 | mickey|tv | ... ? |
| 21:53.22 | mickey|tv | quick, commercial breaks nearly over |
| 21:53.22 | mickey|tv | ;) |
| 21:53.31 | mickey|tv | break is |
| 21:53.33 | treke|home | ljp: How compilcated was the Docs tab special case code? |
| 21:53.56 | Captain-Obvious | it wont show up in the laucher |
| 21:54.10 | mickey|tv | ipkg-link ? |
| 21:54.18 | Captain-Obvious | even after using ipkg-link |
| 21:54.26 | mickey|tv | restartet opie? |
| 21:54.34 | Captain-Obvious | restart OZ |
| 21:54.50 | mickey|tv | hmm - and you didn't install it to RAM before rebooting :) |
| 21:55.00 | Captain-Obvious | huh? |
| 21:55.02 | mickey|tv | well - never heard about that. can you launch it via command line? |
| 21:55.48 | Captain-Obvious | it complaind about not being able to link the pics |
| 21:56.18 | mickey|tv | you installed it to a card? if so, do you use ext2? if not, you should. |
| 21:56.27 | Captain-Obvious | I installed it to ram |
| 21:56.47 | mickey|tv | odd. linking should work on ram |
| 21:56.57 | mickey|tv | you didn't _reboot_ the system after installing or did you? |
| 21:57.04 | mickey|tv | because you said "restart OZ" |
| 21:57.09 | Captain-Obvious | I did reboot |
| 21:57.14 | mickey|tv | eh... |
| 21:57.20 | mickey|tv | the ramdisk in OZ is volatile |
| 21:57.27 | mickey|tv | so you just wiped it out |
| 21:57.29 | mickey|tv | by rebooting |
| 21:57.30 | Captain-Obvious | after it didnt show up in launcer |
| 21:57.34 | mickey|tv | hehe no wonder |
| 21:57.40 | mickey|tv | better just restart Opie, not OZ |
| 21:58.03 | Captain-Obvious | never lost anything like that before |
| 21:58.37 | Captain-Obvious | I dont even lose anything after hitting the reset button |
| 21:59.05 | mickey|tv | interesting. than you have quite another OpenZaurus running than the rest of the us |
| 21:59.09 | mickey|tv | s/than/then |
| 21:59.12 | pb_ | sounds eleet |
| 21:59.16 | mickey|tv | or a custom kernel? |
| 21:59.23 | Captain-Obvious | 2.4.6 |
| 21:59.48 | Captain-Obvious | if you lost the ramdisk by rebooting, that would be stupid |
| 21:59.56 | mickey|tv | uhm |
| 22:00.01 | kergoth | arg, stupid fuckers with auto-replies to mailing lists |
| 22:00.07 | Captain-Obvious | I've never lost the ramdisk by rebooting yet |
| 22:03.12 | Captain-Obvious | mickey|tv: I can start it by going to where its installed on the ram disk (the pics dont show up) |
| 22:03.26 | mickey|tv | try again with ipkg-link |
| 22:03.36 | mickey|tv | maybe your rootfs is full and it can't do links |
| 22:03.45 | mickey|tv | that's about all i can imagine. no more ideas here |
| 22:03.51 | mickey|tv | and commercial break is over |
| 22:03.51 | mickey|tv | bbl |
| 22:03.59 | Captain-Obvious | ipkg-link mount /mnt/ram/ |
| 22:05.01 | Captain-Obvious | *** Adding opie-wellenreiter |
| 22:05.01 | Captain-Obvious | ln: /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/wellenreiter: File exists |
| 22:05.01 | Captain-Obvious | ln: /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/Applications/wellenreiter.desktop: File exists |
| 22:05.09 | kergoth | ls -l the .desktop |
| 22:05.14 | kergoth | see if its a dead link |
| 22:05.22 | Captain-Obvious | but if I go there there is nothing there |
| 22:05.39 | Captain-Obvious | I mean, the things that it claim are there, arnt |
| 22:06.01 | kergoth | ls -l /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/wellenreiter |
| 22:06.21 | Captain-Obvious | # ls -l /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/wellenreiter |
| 22:06.21 | Captain-Obvious | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Nov 21 2003 /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/wellenreiter -> /mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop/bin/wellenreiter |
| 22:06.44 | kergoth | i thought you said you installed it to ram? |
| 22:06.48 | Captain-Obvious | hmm...must be hidden |
| 22:06.56 | kergoth | so yo uhave it installed to two different locations |
| 22:07.09 | kergoth | or you just have dead links |
| 22:07.09 | Captain-Obvious | dead links |
| 22:07.14 | Captain-Obvious | I reformated the card |
| 22:07.17 | kergoth | ipkg-link should probably be doing an unlink() before creating the new one, if its a link |
| 22:07.23 | kergoth | e.g. calling ln -sf |
| 22:07.26 | kergoth | instead of ln -s |
| 22:07.29 | Captain-Obvious | and left out the opt dir on the card |
| 22:10.31 | Captain-Obvious | hmmm |
| 22:10.49 | Captain-Obvious | I removed the package with ipkg and now it shows: |
| 22:10.50 | Captain-Obvious | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jan 1 19:55 /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/wellenreiter -> wellenreiter |
| 22:11.14 | Captain-Obvious | I link is not a file like in windows, right? |
| 22:11.15 | kergoth | ipkg doesnt unlink.. |
| 22:11.19 | kergoth | ipkg-link links and unlinks |
| 22:12.25 | kergoth | just do something like .. find / -type l|for i in `cat`; do if ! test -e "`readlink $i`"; then echo "$i is a dead link"; fi; done |
| 22:12.42 | kergoth | assuming you have 'readlink' |
| 22:12.59 | treke|home | hehe |
| 22:13.12 | treke|home | so the loud bang I heard last night was related to the hot water problems :) |
| 22:13.26 | Captain-Obvious | if I had packages installed my my sd card and reflashed the zaurus, would it go looking for packages to show in the launcher? |
| 22:13.41 | kergoth | Captain-Obvious: if you run ipkg-link, yes. |
| 22:13.50 | kergoth | otherwise ipkg would see them as installed, but they wouldnt be in the launcher |
| 22:14.04 | Captain-Obvious | I ran it on ram, but not hte sd card. |
| 22:14.32 | Captain-Obvious | there must have been something left behind that messed up ipkg or aqpkg |
| 22:15.05 | Captain-Obvious | cool |
| 22:15.16 | Captain-Obvious | everything I have installed it a dead link |
| 22:15.27 | Captain-Obvious | must not have readlink |
| 22:15.43 | kergoth | run readlink at the commandline |
| 22:15.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:16.19 | Captain-Obvious | well I guess it IS there |
| 22:17.15 | kergoth | heh, that little script i pasted wont work for relative paths :) should have it cd into the dir where the link is first |
| 22:19.39 | Captain-Obvious | why cant I see the link in the filemanager or with just an ls? |
| 22:19.56 | treke|home | who would have ever guessed, the cisco vpn client doesnt get along with 2.6.0 :p |
| 22:20.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:20.15 | Captain-Obvious | wait, I can see it with ls... |
| 22:20.59 | Captain-Obvious | but advancedfm cant see the link |
| 22:21.18 | treke|home | not unusually for gui file managers to hide broken symlinks |
| 22:21.21 | treke|home | unusual |
| 22:21.46 | Captain-Obvious | but thats no help when you want to delete said broken link |
| 22:22.06 | kergoth | heh, it should shwo it, but with a different icon |
| 22:22.08 | kergoth | imho |
| 22:22.21 | Captain-Obvious | it show all the other links |
| 22:22.30 | Captain-Obvious | thats what I dont understand |
| 22:22.44 | treke|home | Captain-Obvious: Read what I said. |
| 22:22.46 | Captain-Obvious | I even have it set to show hidden files |
| 22:22.51 | Captain-Obvious | I read it |
| 22:22.55 | Captain-Obvious | I was telling kergoth |
| 22:23.06 | kergoth | what is there not to understand? |
| 22:23.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:23.26 | kergoth | it doesnt show broken links. i think it should, but with an icon to make it obvious |
| 22:23.58 | Captain-Obvious | it just doesnt show the link at all for wellenreiter |
| 22:24.09 | Captain-Obvious | it shows other links with the link icon |
| 22:24.13 | kergoth | NO SH IT |
| 22:24.18 | kergoth | it clearly doesnt show broken links |
| 22:24.20 | kergoth | what about it? |
| 22:24.59 | Captain-Obvious | so how do I delete it? |
| 22:24.59 | kergoth | uh |
| 22:24.59 | kergoth | 'rm' |
| 22:24.59 | treke|home | with the rm command |
| 22:24.59 | Captain-Obvious | k |
| 22:25.09 | Captain-Obvious | thanks |
| 22:25.11 | Captain-Obvious | I need it |
| 22:25.36 | ljp | treke: its wasnt all that compilcated |
| 22:25.44 | kergoth | heh. when i was like 15 i kept around a unix for dummies quick reference to remind me what the commands were |
| 22:25.51 | Captain-Obvious | kergoth: just be glad that I dont write programs |
| 22:25.54 | treke|home | kergoth: cool |
| 22:25.59 | treke|home | er ljp cool |
| 22:26.11 | treke|home | I guess I'll check out the diffs and see |
| 22:26.19 | treke|home | maybe get that iconview app in there |
| 22:28.42 | ljp | hmmm |
| 22:28.51 | Captain-Obvious | d'oh |
| 22:28.58 | Captain-Obvious | forgot to delete wellenreiter.desktop |
| 22:29.02 | ljp | the changes were multi file |
| 22:31.10 | Captain-Obvious | does tab completion work with links? |
| 22:31.21 | Captain-Obvious | or, should it work? |
| 22:32.31 | Captain-Obvious | there |
| 22:32.37 | Captain-Obvious | now it works |
| 22:32.52 | Captain-Obvious | wellenreiter |
| 22:33.14 | Captain-Obvious | I hate headaches... it makes it hard to think |
| 22:33.23 | ljp | drink rum |
| 22:33.55 | Captain-Obvious | then I just wouldnt care, or is that the idea? |
| 22:35.15 | Captain-Obvious | then I could wear a priate hat and sing pirate songs, or is that pirated songs? |
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| 22:57.04 | treke|home | hehe, the only good part about living right over the water heater is being able to tell when the bastards get here to fix it |
| 22:58.53 | Captain-Obvious | lol |
| 23:01.40 | ljp | hmmm |
| 23:02.00 | Captain-Obvious | hmmmm |
| 23:03.49 | chouimat | kergoth: ping |
| 23:04.10 | treke|home | hehe |
| 23:04.29 | treke|home | "I have some pictures on a 128mb SD card and would to transfer them to a CF card using the zaurus 5500. Is there any file transfer program that I can use that will allow me to transfer multiple files at once? Any suggestions are welcome. |
| 23:04.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:04.55 | Captain-Obvious | "cp" |
| 23:05.14 | chouimat | kergoth: what is the reason why the cross-3.3.2.tar.bz2 is only 11.9MB |
| 23:05.25 | kergoth | chouimat: because the OE toolchain builds dont suck |
| 23:05.42 | chouimat | kergoth: that explain a lot ;) |
| 23:06.16 | ljp | hmmm |
| 23:06.18 | kergoth | chouimat: http://openembedded.org/toolchain/ .. hows that naming look? |
| 23:06.29 | Captain-Obvious | too hard |
| 23:06.32 | Captain-Obvious | :) |
| 23:06.45 | Captain-Obvious | "wheres the toolchain?" |
| 23:06.50 | treke|home | chouimat: I've got 3 different toolchains lying around. 11MB, 30MB, and 70MB :p |
| 23:07.14 | ljp | which one works the best? |
| 23:07.22 | chouimat | treke|home: I just want to know why the size differ so much |
| 23:07.33 | treke|home | seems to be black magic :) |
| 23:07.38 | pb_ | different libraries, usually |
| 23:07.44 | chouimat | kergoth: not bad |
| 23:07.46 | pb_ | and sometimes stripped/unstripped binaries |
| 23:07.51 | ljp | missing parts, probably |
| 23:07.54 | treke|home | ljp: I'm using the 70mb handhelds.org toolchain at the moment |
| 23:08.02 | treke|home | I dont like those nasty things that install to /opt |
| 23:08.04 | chouimat | treke|home: url for this one? |
| 23:08.04 | ljp | like uuid |
| 23:08.35 | ljp | ya, who would ever think a cross toolchain would be optional |
| 23:08.45 | treke|home | spawn of satan |
| 23:09.01 | kergoth | heh, uuid doesnt belong in a crosscompiler toolchain. when you start adding all those other base system libs, it becomes more of a base distribution SDK than your normal cross toolchain |
| 23:09.05 | treke|home | chouimat: http://handhelds.org/pub/linux/arm/toolchain/ |
| 23:09.11 | Captain-Obvious | 11mb = newbies toolchain = doesnt work. 30mb = normal users = works most of the time. 70mb = kergoth's toolchain = works only well enough to make him want to pull his hair out |
| 23:09.29 | treke|home | ljp: I dont like stuff that fills up my root partition :) |
| 23:09.35 | treke|home | chouimat: the 11mb one is kergoths :) |
| 23:09.46 | ljp | hmm, my /opt is its own drive |
| 23:09.57 | kergoth | treke|home: and thats unstripped. |
| 23:10.05 | treke|home | kergoth: wow. |
| 23:10.13 | treke|home | kergoth: You sure it works? :p |
| 23:10.23 | kergoth | yep, i built all 207 packages in our metadata repos with it |
| 23:11.55 | pb_ | right. the reason that jamey's is so large is that he includes 42MB of libc.a. |
| 23:11.57 | chouimat | kergoth: I gave xandros 2.0 a try today ... and it work very well |
| 23:12.13 | treke|home | ha |
| 23:12.14 | chouimat | pb_: thanks for the info |
| 23:12.28 | ljp | how about that mips toolchain? ;) |
| 23:12.44 | treke|home | that could be handy just in case we want to statically link opie with libc6 |
| 23:12.57 | chouimat | kergoth: the cpu in you naming scheme are the targets? |
| 23:13.13 | pb_ | treke|home: I'm sure that's what he was thinking too. |
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| 23:14.34 | kergoth | chouimat: yep |
| 23:14.44 | chouimat | kergoth: ok thanks |
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| 23:15.30 | kergoth | hmm, we have libc.a and libc_pic.a in this chain, but they're only around 2.8mb a piece |
| 23:15.47 | pb_ | yeah, that must be without debug info. |
| 23:15.55 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:16.42 | ljp | you should statically link _everything_ |
| 23:16.47 | kergoth | pb_: k, pushed your .oe's upstream after dealing with the missing GMP thing :) thanks |
| 23:16.53 | pb_ | kergoth: rock |
| 23:16.54 | ljp | and just make one big executable |
| 23:17.03 | treke|home | good plan |
| 23:17.04 | pb_ | ljp: that's called busybox |
| 23:17.09 | kergoth | heh, if you're going to statically link, use uClibc |
| 23:17.15 | kergoth | statically linking with glibc is massive |
| 23:17.16 | ljp | no, I mean _everything_ |
| 23:17.19 | kergoth | or klibc even |
| 23:17.25 | ljp | opie, and everything |
| 23:17.35 | ljp | just run ./it |
| 23:17.39 | CosmicPenguin | thats called uclinux |
| 23:17.41 | pb_ | I'm sure the busybox dudes would accept patches to add opie. |
| 23:17.47 | ljp | haha |
| 23:18.29 | kergoth | hah, thats almost worth doing just to see erik's reaction |
| 23:18.32 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:19.26 | treke|home | I believe the technical term is he would "shit bricks" |
| 23:20.22 | chouimat | and his doctor will be pleased if he does that ... imagine the article in Nature |
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| 23:22.08 | ljp | hmmm, bash in buildroot wont build |
| 23:22.48 | ljp | checking whether getpgrp takes no argument... configure: error: cannot check getpgrp if cross compiling |
| 23:22.51 | ljp | bleh |
| 23:24.33 | dan2003 | hehe, i cant get xinelib to build in simpad buildroot, get an unknown register (st) |
| 23:26.10 | CosmicPenguin | This is the bug hour |
| 23:27.10 | pb_ | unknown registers normally mean that you're trying to feed i386 assembler into the arm tools. |
| 23:27.22 | pb_ | they're kind of picky about that. |
| 23:27.30 | treke|home | dumb things |
| 23:28.21 | pb_ | darn, my kernel doesn't seem to be able to mount / from a zip drive. |
| 23:28.30 | ljp | gosh, why couldnt they make arm asm like x86 asm? ;) |
| 23:28.57 | pb_ | just bloody-minded, I suppose. |
| 23:29.40 | CosmicPenguin | They should just make a processor that takes all instructions |
| 23:29.43 | CosmicPenguin | lazy chip designers |
| 23:29.47 | treke|home | they did |
| 23:30.00 | treke|home | it's called the crusoe :p |
| 23:30.27 | ljp | I was going to buy a crusoe laptop |
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| 23:30.45 | CosmicPenguin | ibot quote tmta |
| 23:39.05 | treke|home | "With distcc, things are compiled on the main PC. Zaurus only does the "./configure". So compiling is as fast as the main pc. " |
| 23:39.19 | treke|home | this is obviously coming from someone who has never tried configure scripts on an arm |
| 23:39.55 | pb_ | yeah, configure is about the worst possible application for arm performance. |
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| 23:49.56 | treke|home | a miracle! |
| 23:50.02 | treke|home | kde is installable in debian again |
| 23:51.00 | ljp | heh |
| 23:51.11 | treke|home | only been about 2 or 3 months :) |
| 23:51.52 | ljp | and debian is supposed to be a better distribution? |
| 23:52.57 | treke|home | it kept people from using KDE |
| 23:53.03 | treke|home | that's a plus in my book |
| 23:54.25 | ljp | hmmm. how can that be good |
| 23:55.39 | chouimat | treke|home: I installed Xandros on my father computer and it's debian sarge based with kde 3.1.4 |
| 23:55.53 | treke|home | poor guy |
| 23:56.41 | chouimat | treke|home: work well ... come with crossover office and plugin |
| 23:56.52 | pb_ | treke|home: as a distribution to actually use, you're probably right. |
| 23:57.28 | treke|home | it seems like it get's perpetually stuck where it is by one of the ever present bugs in libc6 or gtk or some over semi important library |
| 23:57.41 | pb_ | I think KDE is only installable now because the testing scripts stopped caring about packages that were out of date on arm and s390. |
| 23:58.06 | treke|home | I'm talking about in sid, kdebase needed to be rebuilt because of a broken dependency |
| 23:58.23 | pb_ | oh, right. crumbs. |
| 23:59.01 | treke|home | yeah. |
| 23:59.20 | treke|home | The scary part of testing is that all of the security patches get stuck in line with the new stuff :) |