| 00:00.03 | darkschneider | i have wireless card... |
| 00:00.14 | darkschneider | but access point is just to expensive.. |
| 00:00.21 | W8TVI | I sync over wireless |
| 00:00.41 | W8TVI | linksys |
| 00:01.31 | darkschneider | W8TVI: me in italy... 70$ mean 150e :)) (i just checked the chepaet some days ago) |
| 00:03.36 | W8TVI | and I got a toshiba magnia sg20 that could do the same thing too, if I got a wireless card |
| 00:31.29 | treke | hmm |
| 00:31.54 | treke | why did no one mention the interview with ian walters |
| 00:31.56 | treke | bitches |
| 00:34.34 | treke | he mentions opie |
| 00:36.39 | TheMasterMind1 | who's that |
| 00:44.07 | ljp | you didnt know about that "interview"? |
| 00:45.30 | TheMasterMind1 | is he related to barbara walters? |
| 00:51.54 | treke | ljp: nope |
| 00:52.11 | treke | it would be nice if the "interviewer" had some clue what qtopia was |
| 00:54.24 | ljp | I really should have been there during that |
| 01:03.38 | darkschneider | treke give him some faith! :) |
| 01:04.00 | treke | ? |
| 01:04.26 | darkschneider | nm.. was j/k.. |
| 01:06.01 | ljp | ian could have had better answers if I was there to help him out |
| 01:06.08 | ljp | oh well. |
| 01:06.29 | treke | I think he answered the questions fine, the questions just didnt give him much to answer |
| 01:08.14 | CIA-4 | repository=03buildroot user=11mickey@allanon.vanille.de |
| 01:08.15 | CIA-4 | 07ChangeSet@1.1418 mix fixes for opie |
| 01:09.14 | treke | what is this clamshel-initd.d for? |
| 01:10.04 | darkschneider | mm mplayer (mp3) works on 5600 but look like it does not like spaced names :( |
| 01:14.32 | ljp | well, I dont think he answered very well, but that's my opinion. He comes off as having a bad attitude about Opie, I think. |
| 01:14.43 | dan2003 | is there somthing dificult about sussing the buttons on the rear of the c7x0 or has it just not been donen yet? |
| 01:14.56 | dan2003 | particular the jog dial |
| 01:15.00 | treke | it has not been done yet |
| 01:15.13 | dan2003 | k, i may have aplay when i get some time |
| 01:15.47 | treke | ljp: Didnt seem any worse than I figured a trolltech developers attitude about opie would be ;) |
| 01:18.59 | ljp | well, to tell you the truth, he isn't really into OSS :) |
| 01:21.28 | treke | that's ok. oss doesnt like him either |
| 01:21.37 | ljp | heh |
| 01:22.10 | ljp | thats why they hired me, to deal with things such as community <=> TT |
| 01:22.21 | darkschneider | heh |
| 01:22.26 | darkschneider | then they choose good :) |
| 01:22.52 | ljp | I think so! |
| 01:23.13 | treke | maybe they just wanted someone to blame for poor communication, and chose ljp so he could fair |
| 01:23.19 | ljp | hehehee |
| 01:24.27 | darkschneider | eheh |
| 01:31.57 | ljp | bleh |
| 01:32.20 | ljp | I dont feel like doing anything |
| 01:32.32 | ljp | good thing I work for TT |
| 01:32.35 | ljp | :) |
| 01:33.05 | treke | prepare for the opie 1.2 release |
| 01:33.25 | TheMasterMind1 | 1.2 eh |
| 01:33.27 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new in it |
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| 01:34.56 | ljp | nothing. just new version string |
| 01:35.13 | ljp | that way we make people think there is development being done on it |
| 01:37.38 | TheMasterMind1 | figures |
| 01:59.24 | ljp | unknown error: Success |
| 01:59.37 | ljp | I love that error code |
| 02:02.52 | gawel | *groan* frigging ncurses is broken under buildroot |
| 02:12.03 | treke|home | gawel: how so? |
| 02:12.15 | gawel | treke: hmm? |
| 02:12.21 | gawel | oh, ncurses |
| 02:12.27 | gawel | it would not apply a patch |
| 02:12.28 | treke|home | how is ncurses broken |
| 02:13.18 | treke|home | which patch |
| 02:13.22 | treke|home | they all applied here |
| 02:13.39 | gawel | hold on 8> i just did a pull and opie is being recompiled |
| 02:15.29 | treke|home | iqnotes or the new one |
| 02:15.32 | treke|home | or the one I wrote |
| 02:15.37 | treke|home | so many choices |
| 02:15.43 | gawel | iqnotes is a nice app |
| 02:15.51 | treke|home | ui is horrible hough |
| 02:16.30 | gawel | well, it's ok for my purposes |
| 02:16.44 | treke|home | I am? |
| 02:17.06 | gawel | heh. i don't know 8> you seem like a perfectionist when it comes to UI |
| 02:17.12 | treke|home | not at all |
| 02:17.13 | gawel | actually both you and kergoth |
| 02:17.26 | gawel | oh |
| 02:18.16 | treke|home | http://treke.net/images/desktop-2003-11-11.jpg |
| 02:18.21 | treke|home | that's my typical desktop |
| 02:18.51 | darkschneider | 21"? |
| 02:19.06 | treke|home | nope |
| 02:19.09 | treke|home | 19 |
| 02:19.25 | gawel | heh, minimalistic approach to window manager |
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| 02:21.49 | chouimat|busy | hey noda |
| 02:21.55 | treke|home | noda. |
| 02:21.58 | noda | Moo |
| 02:22.02 | treke|home | ooM |
| 02:23.37 | chouimat|busy | hmmm Little wing by Metallica |
| 02:45.01 | treke|home | mickey|tv_away: your patch broke libetpan :) |
| 02:47.14 | CIA-4 | repository=03buildroot user=11ggilbert@olddog.treke.net |
| 02:47.15 | CIA-4 | 07ChangeSet@1.1419 iqnotes 2.0.1 |
| 02:59.48 | gawel | bork |
| 03:00.24 | gawel | treke: NOTE: import patch '/export/home/pablo/src/buildroot-oz/packages/ncurses/ncurses-5.2.patch' as 'ncurses-5.2' |
| 03:00.28 | gawel | treke: NOTE: patch with name 'ncurses-5.2' already applied |
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| 03:10.02 | ljp | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=599&e=1&u=/nm/20031229/media_nm/life_barbie_dc |
| 03:37.25 | gawel | dammit. none of the mplayer patches now apply |
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| 03:42.36 | darkschneider | gawel: mm if you compiel mplayer let me know... i'm woking on it too |
| 03:43.16 | gawel | what was ljp talking about earlier? opieplayer2 ? |
| 03:43.24 | gawel | do you know what that might be? |
| 03:43.32 | darkschneider | yeah |
| 03:43.35 | darkschneider | i mean |
| 03:43.40 | darkschneider | there are 2 players |
| 03:43.47 | gawel | xmms? |
| 03:43.48 | darkschneider | opeiplayer and mediaplayer2 |
| 03:43.54 | gawel | oh |
| 03:43.56 | darkschneider | (opie ralted) |
| 03:44.06 | darkschneider | poieplayer is plug in based |
| 03:44.21 | darkschneider | mediaplayer2 is libxine only |
| 03:44.58 | darkschneider | mplayer instead use the fb, so it's "different" category |
| 03:45.03 | gawel | and which one is considered 'standard'? (better stability, featureset etc) |
| 03:45.16 | darkschneider | anyway it is supposed to use sdl someday |
| 03:45.18 | gawel | ah groovy. thanks for explanation |
| 03:45.47 | darkschneider | hehe had to say.. if mediaplayer 2 was wokling it would been the coice of everyone/most |
| 03:45.55 | darkschneider | coice/choice |
| 03:46.08 | gawel | so what's not working w mp2? |
| 03:46.12 | darkschneider | i heard xmms is ratehr slow |
| 03:46.30 | darkschneider | mp2? |
| 03:46.37 | gawel | mediaplayer2 |
| 03:46.45 | darkschneider | em (me tired) |
| 03:47.04 | darkschneider | ok audio is nt wokring on sl5600 |
| 03:47.15 | darkschneider | but it works on otehr models |
| 03:47.19 | gawel | ah ok. will give it a whack |
| 03:47.58 | darkschneider | video is not working at all afaik, but my info is not recent... |
| 03:48.31 | darkschneider | it would be nice to have mplayer using madlib for audio |
| 03:48.35 | gawel | llibxine1_1.0.0-6_armv4l-xscale.ipk is ready |
| 03:48.37 | gawel | (btw) |
| 03:48.58 | darkschneider | yeah, the lated fixes the problmes in c7x0 |
| 03:49.18 | darkschneider | but not those in sl5600 because it get a strange lame error on oss audio missing |
| 03:49.49 | darkschneider | http://www.self-core.org/~kaoru-k/wiki/MplayerOnLinuxZaurus.html i'm wokring on this.. some hint to cross compile mplayer with madlib output |
| 03:50.48 | gawel | ok |
| 03:50.51 | gawel | cool |
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| 03:58.25 | darkschneider | i just hate all those japan only pages :(( |
| 03:59.10 | ljp | ya, you'd think they would all speak english by now |
| 03:59.35 | darkschneider | i'm sure they speak english... |
| 04:03.55 | gawel | dark: http://babel.altavista.com/aftu |
| 04:04.06 | gawel | did awsome job translating sad webpage to english |
| 04:04.18 | darkschneider | ok i give it a try |
| 04:04.46 | gawel | s/sad/said/ |
| 04:04.49 | gawel | *sigh* |
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| 04:52.21 | darkschneider | mm my z stoped woktin:) |
| 04:53.12 | darkschneider | it just goes to the sharp logo and idle.. then after like every 10 seconds the screen blink and stop.. |
| 04:55.00 | chouimat|Zzzzzz | nite |
| 04:58.59 | ljp | hmmm |
| 04:59.29 | darkschneider | nite |
| 05:00.00 | darkschneider | (this stone is still doing that thing.. i think it need reflash :/) |
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| 06:02.36 | darkschneider | yeah!!!! |
| 06:02.45 | darkschneider | mplayer workign smooth as hell :))) |
| 06:03.01 | darkschneider | after only 10 consecutive hours of work:)) |
| 06:03.25 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 06:03.36 | TheMasterMind1 | did you add it to OE? |
| 06:03.43 | darkschneider | not yet :) |
| 06:03.53 | TheMasterMind1 | but you're going to? |
| 06:04.02 | darkschneider | yeah |
| 06:04.06 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 06:04.16 | darkschneider | i just need to re figure out what the hell i done in this 10 hours... |
| 06:04.16 | TheMasterMind1 | haven't had someone working on that since pnis got busy with other stuff |
| 06:04.55 | darkschneider | me very slow... anyway thanks babelfish and those japanese that write only in japanese |
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| 06:05.01 | darkschneider | ok now i think i go sleep... |
| 06:05.32 | darkschneider | gawel: got it work |
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| 06:24.15 | *** topic/#openembedded is OpenEmbedded/OpenZaurus developer lounge | User support in #openzaurus, #openembedded-ipaq, and (if applicable) #opie | Snapshots available at http://treke.net/~bk/ | Python stuff also | http://www.hackles.org/cgi-bin/archives.pl?request=2 |
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| 07:26.23 | ljp | yawn* |
| 07:50.18 | ljp | hmm |
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| 11:48.30 | Twiun | hi |
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| 12:06.55 | pb_ | hi Twiun |
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| 15:28.10 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:28.22 | sonix` | goodmorning to you, sir. |
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| 15:34.20 | chouimat | http://www.userfriendly.org/ |
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| 15:43.21 | CosmicPenguin | Any ipkg experts here? |
| 15:49.23 | bipolar | CosmicPenguin: whats the problem? Maybe someone who is not an expert can still help? |
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| 15:52.57 | CosmicPenguin | Ah-ha! It was an arch issue |
| 15:56.14 | gb2 | these new smartphones would be really fun to hack on |
| 15:56.17 | gb2 | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4481058519.html |
| 16:04.50 | bipolar | is there some trick I need to pull to get opie-formatter to allow me to format my SD card as ext2? It doesn't even give me that option. |
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| 16:43.53 | chouimat | hi tim |
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| 17:17.16 | bipolar | is 3.3.6 built with oz or oe? |
| 17:17.38 | gawel | uhm |
| 17:17.50 | gawel | you mean 'build with buildroot or oe' right? |
| 17:18.04 | gawel | 3.3.6 pre 1 is a release of oz |
| 17:18.18 | gawel | or prerelease 8> |
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| 17:19.59 | bipolar | gawel: yeah, thats what I meant. thanks. ;) |
| 17:20.30 | Pendalar | I can't get oe to build everything |
| 17:20.33 | Pendalar | drives me nuts |
| 17:21.24 | gawel | pendalar: what's failing? |
| 17:21.40 | Pendalar | qte is the first |
| 17:21.48 | Pendalar | complains about my limits.h |
| 17:21.57 | gawel | oh, weird |
| 17:22.19 | Pendalar | I have one in my gcc-lib dir, which apparently scans for other limits.h and it finds none |
| 17:22.34 | Pendalar | so I recoded the limits.h to find my real limits.h |
| 17:22.45 | Pendalar | it goes on and makes some errors I don't understand |
| 17:24.03 | Pendalar | y.tab.c: In function `int yyparse()': |
| 17:24.03 | Pendalar | y.tab.c:3126: warning: suggest parentheses around assignment used as truth |
| 17:24.03 | Pendalar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.03 | Pendalar | y.tab.c:3174: warning: label `yyerrlab' defined but not used |
| 17:24.05 | gawel | i had qte fail building moc |
| 17:24.10 | Pendalar | sorta stuff |
| 17:24.21 | Pendalar | this is pre moc, as best I can tell |
| 17:24.33 | gawel | that's a flex et all issue |
| 17:24.41 | Pendalar | that's what happens if I mess with the limits.h |
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| 17:25.49 | Pendalar | I added /usr/include/limits.h as my real limits.h file |
| 17:25.57 | Pendalar | I doubt that's right, but at least it goes farther than it did |
| 17:26.06 | Pendalar | actually kergoth told me it's not right |
| 17:26.09 | Pendalar | er |
| 17:26.20 | Pendalar | /usr/include/linux/limits.h rather |
| 17:26.37 | gawel | pendalar: i'd guess that the problem is with your bison. you should not mess with limits.h |
| 17:26.49 | Pendalar | it's standard bison |
| 17:26.49 | Pendalar | what could be wrong with it? |
| 17:26.58 | mickeyl | maybe too old |
| 17:27.01 | mickeyl | maybe too new |
| 17:27.05 | gawel | too new |
| 17:27.17 | gawel | src/moc/README:Notice that moc does not compile with GNU bison, use standard AT&T yacc |
| 17:28.42 | Pendalar | I set it back, and redoing a build.. will tell you the real error again |
| 17:28.50 | Pendalar | eh? |
| 17:28.54 | Pendalar | that's silly |
| 17:29.11 | Pendalar | is y.tab.c part of moc or part of qte? |
| 17:29.36 | treke | find the file in the build tree and see |
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| 17:31.20 | Pendalar | =-P I'm trying a build to get him the real error |
| 17:32.04 | Pendalar | it does get to mocgen.o with that limits.h put back to normal |
| 17:32.52 | Pendalar | so if I install AT&T yacc |
| 17:33.06 | gawel | or byacc |
| 17:33.12 | Pendalar | so that I don't have to get rid of bison, how to I tell oe to use yacc? |
| 17:33.34 | Pendalar | I have a yacc and a byacc already |
| 17:33.39 | gawel | that function of your configure script |
| 17:33.56 | gawel | that's even |
| 17:34.30 | Pendalar | bison provides a different yacc/byacc or do I already have both bison and yacc installed? |
| 17:34.40 | Pendalar | at&t's rather |
| 17:35.12 | gawel | i don't know what you have installed |
| 17:35.14 | Pendalar | byacc-1.9-25 |
| 17:35.16 | gawel | do bison --version |
| 17:35.26 | Pendalar | bison-1.35-6 |
| 17:35.59 | Pendalar | that's not what I'm asking.. I'm asking if my byacc-1.9-25 is alright |
| 17:36.10 | Pendalar | or that's part of the gnu mess that won't work |
| 17:36.17 | gawel | i think so (you are on rh 9, right?) |
| 17:36.37 | Pendalar | yes |
| 17:37.18 | Pendalar | ok so I need to make my conf look for byacc not bison or yacc |
| 17:37.22 | gawel | what about your perl? |
| 17:37.25 | Pendalar | that ought to be interesting with my knowledge |
| 17:37.35 | Pendalar | perl-5.8.0-88.3 |
| 17:37.38 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 17:37.40 | mickeyl | well |
| 17:37.47 | mickeyl | byacc here includes /usr/bin/yacc |
| 17:37.52 | mickeyl | so why need to change anything? |
| 17:38.01 | Pendalar | because... it's not working... |
| 17:38.02 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 17:38.10 | mickeyl | ah well... we have all sorts of problems with rh9 |
| 17:38.14 | mickeyl | with oz and oe |
| 17:38.38 | Pendalar | usually with bison or other stuffs? |
| 17:38.43 | mickeyl | no. mostly perl |
| 17:39.17 | Pendalar | so if I rpm -e perl, and install a standard perl |
| 17:39.19 | Pendalar | magic? |
| 17:39.30 | Pendalar | what version do you use? |
| 17:39.58 | mickeyl | perl-base-5.8.2-2mdk |
| 17:40.01 | treke | the rh9 perl and oz doesnt get along iirc |
| 17:40.27 | treke | if you grab the perl from rawhide it's supposed to work |
| 17:40.31 | gawel | yup |
| 17:40.36 | Pendalar | ok I will do that then |
| 17:40.38 | gawel | or compile your own perl |
| 17:40.52 | Pendalar | I'm sure it will be dependancy hell ;-) |
| 17:40.56 | gawel | 1 |
| 17:41.15 | Pendalar | all I use this box for is compiling and xchat.. kinda sad it can't do half that |
| 17:41.38 | mickeyl | how 'bout changing to a sane distribution? :) |
| 17:41.45 | gawel | heh |
| 17:41.54 | treke | it can compile lots of things |
| 17:42.04 | treke | buildroot just isnt compatible with it |
| 17:42.14 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 17:42.21 | Pendalar | well this box is more or less a "gateway" box.. just to use to access all my other remote linux boxes |
| 17:42.34 | Pendalar | so I thought install RH on it and let it take care of itself |
| 17:42.42 | Pendalar | since I have to do real work on all these others |
| 17:43.28 | Pendalar | you put a mdk on rh? is that even sane.. |
| 17:46.16 | gawel | all distributions suck. some suck more then the others (borrowed from mutt0 |
| 17:47.02 | mickeyl | i don't put a mdk on rh, I use mdk :D |
| 17:52.04 | gawel | hmmm. initrd.bin is 24M |
| 17:53.21 | Pendalar | ah |
| 17:53.34 | Pendalar | gawel: eh that's kinda fluffy ain't it |
| 17:55.34 | gawel | i don't remember what i put it in there |
| 17:55.37 | gawel | 8> |
| 17:56.13 | Pendalar | hardcore initrd.bin heh |
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| 18:12.29 | Pendalar | guess I'll grab perl src |
| 18:12.46 | Pendalar | last time I tried that it was very messy and I kept compiling it with the wrong extensions |
| 18:12.50 | chouimat | Pendalar: This year's runaway winner was Mr Merv Grazinski of Oklahoma City Oklahoma. Mr Grazinski purchased a brand new Winnebago Motor Home. On his trip home from an OU football game, having driven onto the Freeway, he set the cruise control at 70 mph and calmly left the drivers seat to go into the Back and make himself a cup of coffee. Not surprisingly the RV left the Freeway, crashed and overturned. Mr.Grazinski sued Winnebago for not |
| 18:12.50 | chouimat | advising him that in the owner's manual that he could not actually do this. The jury awarded him 1,750,000 plus a new Winnebago Motor Home. The company actually changed their manuals on the basis of this suit just in case there was any other complete morons buying their recreation vehicles. |
| 18:13.58 | treke | ah. I bet that is why I cant get OSX to boot |
| 18:14.07 | treke | I was mounting my bootstrap partition and editing yboot.conf |
| 18:14.22 | pb_ | is that bad? |
| 18:14.37 | treke | I think so |
| 18:14.38 | Pendalar | k.. |
| 18:15.31 | treke | but I think I broke it |
| 18:16.12 | pb_ | that part certainly sounds bad. |
| 18:18.01 | treke | yeah. Guess its incentive to install my cd burner so i can make a boot cd |
| 18:22.31 | treke | I guess not. apparently yaboot is intelligent, unlike lilo |
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| 18:37.10 | TheMasterMind1 | ya..boot..? |
| 18:37.56 | treke | http://www.yl.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~tosh/kml/ |
| 18:38.30 | treke | does that seem like a very bad idea to anyone else? |
| 18:39.21 | chouimat | treke: depend what |
| 18:49.39 | treke | ibot, seen kergoth |
| 18:49.43 | | kergoth <kergoth@zelda.tuxnami.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 6d 14h 53m 18s ago, saying: 'ssh, freeswan, what have you'. |
| 18:51.45 | chouimat | hmmm kergoth still don't have dsl at home ... |
| 18:55.43 | dan2003 | treke would that give noticeable performance gains to things such video playback? |
| 18:55.55 | treke | would what? |
| 18:56.06 | dan2003 | kernel mode |
| 18:56.22 | treke | on the zaurus? |
| 18:56.42 | dan2003 | well anything i supose but i was thinking zaurus |
| 18:57.07 | treke | might help, I dont think it's worth looking into though |
| 18:57.48 | gawel | hmmm. what is the max size of initrd that 5600 should support? |
| 18:58.11 | gawel | says 32mb of sdram + 64mb of protected flash |
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| 19:05.13 | treke | which battle? |
| 19:05.18 | gawel | mickey: what would be the maximum size of initrd.bin on 5600? |
| 19:05.35 | gawel | s/maximum/maximum allowed/ |
| 19:05.44 | mickeyl | no idea - i never touched a 5600. but most likely 32mb |
| 19:05.52 | mickeyl | which is the size of the first flash partition |
| 19:26.21 | gawel | where can one find more info on how partitions are set up? |
| 19:26.39 | TheMasterMind1 | google prolly |
| 19:27.01 | treke | there are 2 partions, both are around 32mb |
| 19:27.25 | gawel | but that's on sl5500, right? |
| 19:27.27 | treke | no |
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| 19:30.31 | gawel | treke: sharp claims that 5600 has 96mb - 32 sdram + 64 (nor?) flash |
| 19:31.01 | gawel | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7478621147.html |
| 19:31.03 | gawel | ewps |
| 19:31.11 | TheMasterMind1 | 32 ram |
| 19:31.18 | TheMasterMind1 | and 2 32mb flash partitions |
| 19:31.18 | treke | gawel: There are two flash partitions |
| 19:31.20 | TheMasterMind1 | i think |
| 19:31.24 | treke | gawel: both are about 32mb |
| 19:32.19 | gawel | thanks |
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| 19:38.59 | CosmicPenguin | Gah |
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| 20:07.59 | gawel | wtf? 3.3.5 default defconfig image builds to 25mb of initrd |
| 20:08.06 | gawel | used to 17 |
| 20:08.20 | treke | defconfigs get updated |
| 20:08.25 | gawel | hmm |
| 20:08.55 | Disconnect | treke: 3.3.5 defconfig shouldn't... |
| 20:10.11 | treke | if both builds were done with the 3.3.5 config, then he may have built more stuff in the latter build |
| 20:10.21 | treke | the default image config only installs as much as you built |
| 20:11.42 | gawel | i wonder if there is a way to check if stuff got stripped |
| 20:12.27 | treke | output/rootfs has the root file system there |
| 20:12.33 | gawel | treke: i overwrite output/.config with def-configs/3.3.5-PXA_image and remove 1 or two things |
| 20:12.52 | treke | and what .config did you use the first time? |
| 20:13.33 | gawel | the same method yielded about 17M initrd when 3.3.5 was first released |
| 20:13.42 | gawel | hmmm each time i get 'error flash write' |
| 20:14.22 | treke | you did two builds from the same source tree and got two different image sizes? |
| 20:14.40 | gawel | treke: output/.config or .config? |
| 20:14.51 | treke | both are relevant |
| 20:15.09 | treke | if you did a build, then made an image, then built more stuff, and made a new image, it could grow |
| 20:15.27 | gawel | .config was def-configs/3.3.5-PXA-remember-to-choose-your-model |
| 20:15.51 | gawel | treke: oh? even if i wipe out output/rootfs? |
| 20:15.56 | treke | yes |
| 20:16.51 | treke | if a package included in the output/.config is not built when the image is made, it will just generate the image without it |
| 20:17.23 | gawel | ya, that makes sense |
| 20:17.44 | treke | so if your were to go back and built the package later and make a new image, it would make it in the second time |
| 20:18.09 | treke | and depending on the package it could be a fairly large chunk of space |
| 20:18.19 | treke | that's the best guess I can come up with |
| 20:18.23 | gawel | hmm |
| 20:20.06 | gawel | 3.3.5 spec must have changed |
| 20:20.33 | Disconnect | gawel: check bk revtool def-configs/3.3.5-PXA-remember-to-choose-your-model .. shouldn't have changed.. |
| 20:21.52 | gawel | thanks |
| 20:22.00 | gawel | so spec files have not changed |
| 20:23.51 | CosmicPenguin | Gah |
| 20:23.54 | CosmicPenguin | Gah |
| 20:24.00 | CosmicPenguin | Why is matchbox pulling in /usr/lib/fontconfig? |
| 20:26.16 | gawel | and the ipks are roughly the same |
| 20:26.21 | gawel | in size |
| 20:27.59 | treke | matchbox probably depends on it |
| 20:32.07 | CosmicPenguin | treke - I know that, but its grabbing the cross compiled version |
| 20:32.17 | CosmicPenguin | I think because its using the wrong pkgconfig |
| 20:32.46 | treke | oh duh |
| 20:32.51 | treke | that fun bug. |
| 20:33.09 | treke | check libatk, I think it has a patch that fixes that for some cases |
| 20:33.30 | treke | the other option is to remove fontconfig-dev from your distro |
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| 20:37.01 | TimRiker | is there a howto on getting started with oemake? |
| 20:37.37 | treke | "sick" |
| 20:37.44 | treke | s/sick/hungover/ |
| 20:37.53 | TimRiker | heh. he wishes. |
| 20:38.11 | ljp | must have been that Texas chili |
| 20:38.24 | treke | mmmh chili |
| 20:38.26 | TimRiker | or the cold weather we're having. |
| 20:38.32 | TimRiker | ~weather kdfw |
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| 20:38.58 | TimRiker | ooh. below 60. better find a jacket. |
| 20:39.08 | ljp | tim: look in oe's doc directory |
| 20:39.44 | ljp | hehee |
| 20:40.34 | CosmicPenguin | treke: I think its just a matchbox boo boo |
| 20:40.39 | ljp | it got down to 17c here, last night |
| 20:40.45 | treke | CosmicPenguin: It's a fairly common libtool problem for me |
| 20:40.47 | ljp | needed a blanket |
| 20:42.27 | treke | mickey|tv: ping |
| 20:42.51 | CosmicPenguin | treke: Yep, matchbox. It was getting the right path for pkg-config, but then it ended up using the default one anyway |
| 20:43.05 | CosmicPenguin | Just a few variable changes in configure.ac, and bob is your uncle |
| 20:43.09 | treke | ah cool |
| 20:43.19 | treke | my uncle is john |
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| 20:43.37 | treke | actually half my family is john, but that's another story |
| 20:43.39 | CosmicPenguin | Or not |
| 20:43.49 | treke | john or tony |
| 20:44.50 | pb_ | sounds handy |
| 20:44.59 | treke | yeah |
| 20:45.28 | CosmicPenguin | Thats what I said |
| 20:46.03 | TimRiker | k, anyone know where that expression comes from? |
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| 20:53.49 | TimRiker | ~bob |
| 20:53.50 | | well, bob is your uncle see http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-bob1.htm |
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| 20:55.16 | CosmicPenguin | Well, then, thats a messed up situation |
| 20:56.12 | CosmicPenguin | Ah, hah! |
| 20:56.15 | CosmicPenguin | Bastards! |
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| 21:11.23 | CosmicPenguin | Arg - it really is a libtool issue |
| 21:11.26 | CosmicPenguin | This is making me angry |
| 21:11.31 | CosmicPenguin | You wouldn't like me when I'm angry... :) |
| 21:11.44 | treke | so things wouldnt change much |
| 21:12.04 | CosmicPenguin | indeed |
| 21:12.44 | Twiun | 1.5mb generated makefiles.... |
| 21:14.27 | Twiun | ... you'd think someone would see the folly |
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| 21:16.35 | treke | CosmicPenguin: that's a pretty commong problem actually |
| 21:16.57 | CosmicPenguin | treke: Got the dummies guide to fixing it? |
| 21:17.13 | W8TVI | Pocket Zaurus from Japan-> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3166533005&category=747 |
| 21:17.25 | treke | CosmicPenguin: The quick hack is to uninstall your distros dev package for fontconfig |
| 21:17.25 | CosmicPenguin | I have all the paths correct now, its just taking the -lfontconfig and turning it into /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so for some reason |
| 21:17.35 | treke | CosmicPenguin: the other one is a patch to the ltmain script |
| 21:18.04 | CosmicPenguin | I would sure hate to reinvent the wheel over here |
| 21:19.49 | TimRiker | er misses |
| 21:20.17 | TimRiker | er... "cvs co buildroot;cd buildroot;make" |
| 21:20.51 | TimRiker | how many people here use oemake? |
| 21:22.12 | TimRiker | W8TVI: "Still in original box as shown." cept that it's shown out of it's original box. ;-) |
| 21:22.36 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 21:29.19 | mickey|tv | treke: pong |
| 21:29.27 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.37 | W8TVI | TimRiker: heh |
| 21:33.40 | TimRiker | W8TVI: http://www.man-machine.com/FX100%20Zaurus.htm work for you? |
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| 21:35.06 | W8TVI | dont like those kinda keyboards |
| 21:36.43 | ljp | mmmmm espresso |
| 21:42.52 | ljp | who knows how to flash a 5600? |
| 21:43.27 | CosmicPenguin | What, like with gang signs? |
| 21:44.07 | ljp | ya, man. |
| 21:44.13 | ljp | cut that 5600 up |
| 21:44.54 | gawel | ljp: which oz version? |
| 21:46.00 | CosmicPenguin | uh, h5500 |
| 21:46.38 | gb2 | I wonder if anybody has gotten that usb-host CF card to work |
| 21:47.07 | TimRiker | + oemake -a sed-native mtd-native |
| 21:47.07 | TimRiker | ERROR: Unable to open oe.conf |
| 21:47.30 | TimRiker | where is oe.conf supposed to live? |
| 21:47.52 | pb_ | in oe/conf |
| 21:50.19 | ljp | in it's little oe condo |
| 21:51.32 | pb_ | exactly |
| 21:52.57 | TimRiker | ~/.oe/ ? or ./oe/ ? or some other screwy trolltech inspired global environment variable? |
| 21:53.34 | pb_ | OEDIR, I imagine. |
| 21:54.34 | TimRiker | PATH and `pwd` was enough for my ancestors, it should be good enough for everyone else. |
| 21:55.26 | pb_ | poor ljp |
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| 21:55.33 | ljp | just accept it, there's nothing we can really do about it |
| 21:55.53 | TimRiker | er make that 'ambivalence' |
| 21:56.05 | pb_ | about OEDIR? I guess timriker could pull rank on chris and make him change it. |
| 21:56.24 | pb_ | once he gets off his deathbed, anyway |
| 21:56.25 | TimRiker | or get commit access and change it myself. |
| 21:57.13 | TimRiker | env variables are nice for changing the defaults. they are a lousy place to place defaults. |
| 21:57.39 | TimRiker | heh place to place. ok... place to store the defaults. |
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| 21:59.37 | Bernardo | hi |
| 22:00.12 | ljp | heelo |
| 22:00.26 | CosmicPenguin | Stupid Windows 98 |
| 22:01.03 | ljp | thats 6 years old. why still use it? |
| 22:01.18 | CosmicPenguin | Because I don't have another windows box in the house |
| 22:03.01 | dan2003 | hehe.. only windows box in this house is win95 |
| 22:03.19 | ljp | my bro still uses win95a |
| 22:03.46 | jdh41 | [althought the route here involves two linux boxes] |
| 22:05.59 | ljp | *sigh* such a waste |
| 22:06.52 | CosmicPenguin | I wouldn't care if I didn't need activesync to install a bootloader on this ipaq |
| 22:07.22 | pb_ | use synce, or a cf card. |
| 22:09.24 | Bernardo | I'm having problems compiling opie... it seems qt-embedded isn't creating uic, anyone seen it before? |
| 22:09.42 | gawel | hehehe |
| 22:09.44 | gawel | 8> |
| 22:09.58 | gawel | berardo: opie under oe? |
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| 22:11.22 | _Psycho | Bernardo if you dont use oe or oz buildroot i think you have to manually copy that file into the bin dir from your linux qt2 |
| 22:11.26 | ljp | you need qt-x11 to build uic |
| 22:11.31 | Bernardo | gawel: no, I got qt-embedded 2.3.7, and opie from the cvs, and I'm following the instructions from opie-handhelds.org |
| 22:11.39 | Bernardo | ooops |
| 22:11.57 | Bernardo | so I need qt-x11 2.3.7 besides qt-embedded 2.3.7? |
| 22:12.20 | Bernardo | I was hoping I could build uic from the qt-embeded sources too |
| 22:13.03 | ljp | no. qt-x11-2.3.2 |
| 22:13.03 | gawel | bernardo: what ljp said |
| 22:13.03 | _Psycho | but my way work :) |
| 22:13.06 | _Psycho | just copy the uic from your linuxinto the bin dir |
| 22:13.11 | Bernardo | doh... |
| 22:13.12 | _Psycho | right ? |
| 22:13.21 | Bernardo | I am building it all from source... :) |
| 22:13.28 | _Psycho | I did too |
| 22:13.37 | _Psycho | i never needed to build uic and qt-x11 |
| 22:13.50 | _Psycho | i just used uic that came with my debian qt2 |
| 22:13.56 | _Psycho | (not qt3 of course) |
| 22:14.05 | _Psycho | i guess its in the qt2-devel package |
| 22:14.29 | _Psycho | ljp you ever did an image with your qtopia 1.7 ? |
| 22:14.35 | ljp | yes |
| 22:14.54 | _Psycho | i jsut come back from vacation |
| 22:15.21 | _Psycho | last time min was working "bad", since i never found how to call the calibration screen hehe |
| 22:15.26 | _Psycho | its on the web somewhere ? |
| 22:15.27 | ljp | I will ask when I can release it, next week when everybody is back |
| 22:15.28 | Bernardo | I'm building ALL from source... not debian |
| 22:15.44 | _Psycho | oh ok |
| 22:15.50 | Bernardo | but thanks, it just gave me a idea on how to do a workaround |
| 22:16.22 | _Psycho | Bernardo i dont think building uic gonna change anything in your build |
| 22:16.22 | gawel | voot. rebuilt 3.3.6 pre 1 for 5600 has now initrd @ 17mb |
| 22:16.25 | _Psycho | but anyway |
| 22:18.08 | gawel | bernardo: check out buildroot's package/uicmoc/Makefile to see how uic is being built under buildroot |
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| 22:19.50 | Bernardo | gawel: thanks |
| 22:20.04 | Bernardo | _Psycho: thanks too |
| 22:20.32 | gawel | Bernardo: i'm almost done with oe's version of opie (dumbed down a bit), but it does compile 8> it should be pushed out within a day or so |
| 22:20.39 | TimRiker | crap crap crap crap crap. /me still cannot get the build to start. |
| 22:20.50 | ljp | hant |
| 22:20.57 | TimRiker | all this "making life easier for the developer" is makeing life hard. |
| 22:20.58 | ljp | ~chant |
| 22:20.59 | | great googli-moogli! great googli-moogli! great googli-moogli! |
| 22:21.23 | ljp | mickeyl needs to write a pyqt gui config for oe |
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| 22:24.03 | chouimat | TimRiker: ? |
| 22:26.19 | TimRiker | chouimat: oe realy really really needs a better GettingStarted guide |
| 22:27.35 | TimRiker | how many people actually use oe to build complete distros from scratch? |
| 22:27.48 | ljp | no one yet |
| 22:28.04 | ljp | I am still using buildroot |
| 22:28.05 | gawel | tim: oe aint there yet |
| 22:28.51 | Twiun | gotta change Chris' priorities at work and make that his sole goal ;) |
| 22:29.01 | gawel | heh |
| 22:29.13 | TimRiker | Twiun: not likely. gotta get more people contributing. ;-) |
| 22:29.18 | ljp | I would start using oe, but there's no gui config |
| 22:29.30 | TimRiker | ljp: and there is in buildroot? |
| 22:29.56 | ljp | yes. make menuconfig |
| 22:29.56 | Twiun | TimRiker: too busy juggling the new opie website and getting fbawt ready for FOSDEM |
| 22:30.17 | TimRiker | ljp: for the kernel only, yes? |
| 22:30.38 | TimRiker | or have Config.in stuff been done for the other packages? |
| 22:31.29 | ljp | no. buildroot has two make menuconfig and make image_menuconfig |
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| 22:32.27 | bobbyd | hi |
| 22:33.14 | bobbyd | how do I find out what version of glibc OE 3.3.5 uses? |
| 22:34.17 | ljp | look in /lib |
| 22:38.02 | bobbyd | ok thanks |
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| 22:45.18 | gawel | shieeeet. 3.3.6 pre 1 no worky on 5600 |
| 22:46.30 | ljp | how so? |
| 22:48.05 | gawel | it flashes correctly (kernel and initrd), it starts booting after flash and then it spits out oodles of messages - something about magic number |
| 22:50.24 | gawel | i did start using newer updater.sh (one requiring zimage being called zImage.bin) |
| 22:52.15 | gawel | so maybe that's what's screwing things up |
| 22:56.36 | Twiun | I thought the invalid magic stuff was due to the flash not being zero-filled? |
| 22:59.57 | pb_ | yeah, usually. I think jffs2 ideally wants the flash filled with 0xffffffff, which is what you get after erasing. |
| 23:00.18 | mickeyl | hmm. i wonder why the 5600 is giving us such a hard time. updater.sh calls eraseall prior to nandlogical doesn't it? |
| 23:01.11 | W8TVI | cool |
| 23:01.12 | W8TVI | my 14 Palm Vx were sent today |
| 23:01.15 | W8TVI | oops |
| 23:01.27 | W8TVI | my 14 Palm Vx cases were sent today |
| 23:01.55 | ljp | dont you need to reset after the 5600 flash? |
| 23:02.34 | gawel | ljp: no. i used updater.sh from a newer sharp rom |
| 23:02.43 | ljp | http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:Q7a69U8S0McJ:community.zaurus.com/docman/view.php/9/11/FlashInstructions030520.pdf+5600+flash+image&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 |
| 23:02.50 | ljp | get the one from 860 |
| 23:02.54 | gawel | ljp: i'm trying it with old stuff that i know it worked with 3.3.5 |
| 23:03.01 | ljp | it has support for various zaurus |
| 23:07.40 | gawel | weeee Z is booting. |
| 23:08.00 | chouimat | wow the cad is at 0.773235usd |
| 23:08.35 | gawel | mickey: so the problem is with updater |
| 23:08.49 | mickeyl | is it? |
| 23:08.59 | mickeyl | which updater works, which doesn't ? |
| 23:09.25 | gawel | one which requires zimage to be called zImage, not zImage.bin 8> |
| 23:09.34 | gawel | 4838ca55d57de3ff5c28227810164420 updater.sh |
| 23:09.39 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:09.40 | gawel | don't have source code |
| 23:09.45 | mickeyl | that was posted to openzaurus-devel |
| 23:09.59 | Bernardo | anyone knows what version of qpdf2 to install? render, no-render, render-freetype? |
| 23:10.34 | mickeyl | gawel: do us a favour and test the new unified one |
| 23:11.03 | mickeyl | gawel: name it zimage.bin and use the updater from oz.org/official/experimental/c700,c750,c760,c860/3.3.6-pre1/updater.sh |
| 23:11.13 | gawel | what's the url? |
| 23:11.14 | gawel | ah |
| 23:11.43 | mickeyl | if that works on 5600 we finally have _one_ updater working for all models. everything else is insane |
| 23:13.07 | gawel | cool. let me give it a try. |
| 23:13.40 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:13.46 | mickeyl | anyone inspected cacko's kernel patch? |
| 23:13.48 | gawel | i assume that this one calls for kernel to be called zImage.bin, right? |
| 23:13.53 | mickeyl | gawel: yes |
| 23:15.30 | gawel | sweeet. suspend is now 1.5s |
| 23:15.52 | ljp | mickeyl: is there a patch for that suspend fix? |
| 23:16.10 | mickeyl | the patch is a modified kernel .config. |
| 23:16.30 | mickeyl | # CONFIG_USBDPROC is not set |
| 23:16.35 | mickeyl | (or so) |
| 23:17.03 | chouimat | hmmmm a 5.25GHYz P4 ... cooled with Liquid Nitrogen |
| 23:17.13 | mickeyl | i love stuff like that. takes ages to find out, but is just a single line heh |
| 23:18.59 | ljp | USBD_PROCFS? |
| 23:19.06 | mickeyl | ya |
| 23:19.13 | ljp | ok. |
| 23:20.16 | gawel | pxa_ir is still missing from 2.4.18 |
| 23:20.40 | gawel | thus now wireless stuff on 5600 |
| 23:20.45 | gawel | i mean irda |
| 23:20.54 | ljp | so usb now working in 2.4.18? |
| 23:21.28 | gawel | dunno yet |
| 23:21.54 | gawel | i got qtopia to sync up via usb at some point (oz 3.3.5) |
| 23:22.06 | gawel | but usbnet stuff was not working if i remember |
| 23:22.44 | gawel | well |
| 23:23.30 | mickeyl | gawel: irda is built in in current 2.4.18 configs. |
| 23:23.43 | mickeyl | so, "should" work |
| 23:23.46 | gawel | readlog says it cannot find the module |
| 23:24.00 | mickeyl | yeah - right |
| 23:24.02 | mickeyl | it's built in |
| 23:24.06 | *** join/#openembedded stigger (~jeff@p044-n1-gos.nlc.net.au) |
| 23:24.07 | gawel | oh |
| 23:24.12 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 23:24.23 | mickeyl | it tries to load the module, but that's cosmetics |
| 23:24.27 | mickeyl | modprobe doesn't know about built in modules |
| 23:24.30 | gawel | true 8> |
| 23:24.37 | mickeyl | s/modules/functionality |
| 23:25.10 | TimRiker | crap crap crap. this oe stuff is so easy nobody can figure it out. |
| 23:25.16 | gawel | is usb-eth (aliased to usbf) the ethernet over usb (usbnet equivalent?) |
| 23:25.31 | Bernardo | 'night... |
| 23:25.52 | ljp | tim: once you figure it out, write it down |
| 23:26.06 | mickeyl | TimRiker, kergoth did a great job on it, but since he does most of the work alone, it takes a while. and - seriously - gui config stuff and making it easy to use (aka buildroot) really is not top priority |
| 23:26.12 | TimRiker | ljp: or fix it. or both |
| 23:27.01 | TimRiker | mickeyl: well, I'm not just your average user, and I've been unable to figure it out. |
| 23:27.25 | mickeyl | TimRiker: sounds to me like you're trying to make it doing stuff which it just can't yet. |
| 23:27.35 | TimRiker | like run? |
| 23:27.40 | mickeyl | huh? |
| 23:27.44 | mickeyl | oebuild works fine |
| 23:27.46 | ljp | hehee |
| 23:27.49 | mickeyl | no idea about the other commands |
| 23:27.57 | mickeyl | and oebuild is like the most important |
| 23:28.02 | TimRiker | I can't get it to do anything except dump out usage information. |
| 23:28.14 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:28.19 | mickeyl | oebuild <package> works pretty good here |
| 23:28.30 | gawel | tim: http://www.tetrapyloctomy.org/oz/oe.sh will set the vars for you |
| 23:28.31 | mickeyl | maybe your python is stoneage? |
| 23:28.58 | TimRiker | I run: oebuild patcher_1.0 and get back a usage page. |
| 23:29.10 | mickeyl | that's not a .oe file |
| 23:29.15 | mickeyl | try oebuild patcher/patcher_1.0.oe |
| 23:29.20 | gawel | oebuild patcher/patcher_1.0.oe |
| 23:29.29 | TimRiker | 2.2.2 |
| 23:29.38 | mickeyl | that's recent enough |
| 23:30.00 | Twiun | TimRiker: oe builds very differently to buildroot, the transition is very confusing at first |
| 23:30.46 | TimRiker | works if I fully path to the .oe wow. |
| 23:30.58 | mickeyl | congrats. that's how it's supposed to be. |
| 23:31.23 | TimRiker | course now I've got a ton of env vars set and no idea which ones are actually being used. |
| 23:31.30 | mickeyl | huh? |
| 23:31.38 | treke | TimRiker: you just need OEDIR and PATH |
| 23:31.45 | mickeyl | what stuff are you reading? you need two env vars |
| 23:31.50 | mickeyl | right |
| 23:31.50 | CosmicPenguin | ymodem - the forgotten protocol |
| 23:31.59 | treke | the big problem is that oemake doesnt get along well with the packages repository |
| 23:32.10 | TimRiker | no OEPATH? |
| 23:32.16 | mickeyl | no |
| 23:32.24 | mickeyl | OEDIR and PATH. oe figures out the rest |
| 23:33.10 | TimRiker | I've also got BUILDNAME ftp_proxy, http_proxy (both of those are probably needed) |
| 23:33.44 | TimRiker | well, the last two. |
| 23:35.35 | TimRiker | course I've got at least 3 different patcher oe files in different places in this tree. |
| 23:35.41 | gawel | mickey: so what's the news with ethernet over usb on 5600? modules.conf has usbf as usb-eth. i cannot find a compiled module |
| 23:36.04 | mickeyl | no idea frankly. i don't care about usb, sorry. |
| 23:36.26 | TimRiker | a "tc" a "metadata" and a "metadata-ext" tree. those mean anything to anyone here? |
| 23:36.45 | mickeyl | hmm.... |
| 23:38.31 | treke | the proxy info is probably for ti's proxy |
| 23:38.49 | treke | the metadata and metadata-ext is probably equivalent to the packages directory |
| 23:38.50 | mickeyl | gawel: i think the module you are looking for is net_fd |
| 23:39.13 | mickeyl | gawel: which is - surprise - in the usbd-net-modules package |
| 23:39.32 | gawel | heh |
| 23:40.32 | TimRiker | so I have to provide the full path to each .oe including the path to the packages directory every time? |
| 23:41.22 | treke | OEPATH specifies the path to the .oe's so youprobably set it to the path to metadata and metadata-ext |
| 23:41.35 | treke | though I suspect you have kergoth's phone number and he'd be the person to ask :) |
| 23:42.14 | mickeyl | TimRiker: I know that you are an advanced user, but even you should bother to at least read the README |
| 23:42.37 | treke | he gets a pass since he's the money behind the operation :) |
| 23:42.58 | mickeyl | mmh that doesn't help |
| 23:44.35 | treke | are there any other developers that know how it works? |
| 23:44.49 | ljp | no |
| 23:44.51 | mickeyl | no |
| 23:44.57 | gawel | mickey: btw, i did include usb-net-modules in the image 8> still no worky. i have a sneaking suspicion that CONFIG_PXA_USB et al is what i need |
| 23:45.16 | treke | I bet I know what kergoth`bbl is doing next week :) |
| 23:45.17 | mickeyl | gawel: sure? is that enabled in the sharp default config for poodle? |
| 23:45.40 | gawel | mickey: dunno 8> |
| 23:46.02 | mickeyl | it's not |
| 23:46.04 | treke | something tells me he is writing documentation :p |
| 23:46.22 | mickeyl | CONFIG_PXA_USB refers to another method of attaching a usb device to a pxa device |
| 23:46.43 | gawel | mickey: negative on unified updater.sh. flash went ok, reboot started, and console got spammed w/ magic number crap |
| 23:46.58 | TimRiker | mickeyl: I've read a TON of readme's. most of them very out of date. many with <insert the command here once we have one> comments. |
| 23:47.05 | mickeyl | gawel: shit. |
| 23:47.38 | TimRiker | mickeyl: so someplace buried in the reams of inaccurate documentation is the one piece of actual valid data I'm looking for yes? |
| 23:47.38 | mickeyl | TimRiker: well, that accurately describes the state of OE. we have a lot of packages, we have oebuild, we have OEFILES and oemake. but that's about it. |
| 23:48.00 | TimRiker | so how do I tell the inaccurate from the accurate? |
| 23:48.24 | gawel | tim: folks are working on better 'getting started' section on wiki |
| 23:48.30 | TimRiker | in their current state the docs are less than useless.. they are wrong. |
| 23:49.37 | TimRiker | ok.. says it _may_ be outdated. not that it's wrong. |
| 23:50.45 | TimRiker | sweet. after only spending a complete day on it, I'm actually building the tools that I might be able to use to build the tools that I need to build the apps for my filesystem. |
| 23:50.47 | mickeyl | well... i won't argue about that, but i vaguely remember that you gave kergoth too much things to work on in parallel. no wonder things take time |
| 23:52.20 | mickeyl | yeah but first that was while he was @ digi and hadn't "real" work to do, and 2nd and much more important, buildroot is old and mature and a lot of people worked on it |
| 23:52.58 | mickeyl | let's postpone this discussion until chris is here again. |
| 23:53.05 | TimRiker | mickeyl: nod. |
| 23:53.25 | TimRiker | I'm complaining cause I can. don't take it to seriously. |
| 23:53.38 | mickeyl | i try to but it's hard. |
| 23:53.40 | mickeyl | for me :) |
| 23:54.22 | TimRiker | I would have been much more active in oe except that I could not talk kergoth out of bk and I need to do commercial things with it in order to have time to help out. can't do commercial things with bk without paying through the nose. |
| 23:54.53 | treke | hmmm. |
| 23:54.55 | TimRiker | since I'm already grumbling. ;-) |
| 23:55.06 | treke | poke him to get the svn gateway or something |
| 23:55.22 | gawel | uhm, could anybody enlighten me what opie-sh apps are? |
| 23:55.51 | TimRiker | well dinner. in spite of my complaints, I'm making progress. thanx all! |
