| 00:02.44 | dan2003 | how should one configure what to build for opie within buildroot? |
| 00:03.16 | chouimat | ~change 620 cad to usd |
| 00:07.16 | treke|home | use the default configs |
| 00:09.59 | *** join/#openembedded masticator (~root@ool-43512bbd.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:09.59 | *** mode/#openembedded [+o masticator] by ChanServ |
| 00:10.31 | masticator | stupid ibot |
| 00:10.46 | treke|home | yeah, that's annoying |
| 00:10.59 | treke|home | not as annoying as bots that ban you on joining though |
| 00:11.04 | treke|home | stupid debian fuckos |
| 00:11.23 | masticator | lol |
| 00:11.47 | masticator | lol anyone play the new Postal demo? |
| 00:11.50 | masticator | its hillarious |
| 00:11.55 | treke|home | yes |
| 00:11.56 | dan2003 | am downloading now :) |
| 00:12.05 | masticator | I am totally buying the full version of that |
| 00:12.11 | treke|home | hehe |
| 00:12.15 | masticator | I NEED a game like that to get my frustrations out |
| 00:12.22 | treke|home | buy the first one |
| 00:12.27 | treke|home | much better at doing that |
| 00:12.33 | dan2003 | i rmeeber postal 1 years ago, so though id give it a shot |
| 00:12.40 | masticator | the original wasnt 3d though right |
| 00:12.44 | masticator | it was isometric |
| 00:12.44 | treke|home | right |
| 00:13.07 | dan2003 | hey im wlaking here |
| 00:13.14 | dan2003 | sorry that gta :) |
| 00:13.29 | dan2003 | they said all kinds of weird shit |
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| 00:36.04 | mickeyl | mithro--: ping |
| 00:36.30 | chouimat | hey mickeyl masticator |
| 00:36.54 | chouimat | mickeyl: will have openstep 4.2 in about 15 minutes |
| 00:37.01 | mickeyl | nice |
| 00:37.28 | chouimat | mickeyl: i have solaris 7,8,9 and 10 allready installed in vmware |
| 00:37.53 | mickeyl | chouimat: hmm... do you actually use them for something? ;) |
| 00:38.17 | chouimat | mickeyl: I have some customers who have them ... need to get a sparc .... |
| 00:39.57 | treke|home | mickeyl: you try that patch? |
| 00:40.09 | mickeyl | no, been watching tv |
| 00:40.15 | mickeyl | but i got it |
| 00:40.20 | mickeyl | will take a look tomorrow |
| 00:40.27 | treke|home | chouimat: does sun still sell the cheap sparc workstations? |
| 00:41.10 | mickeyl | treke: one open issue is that the c7x0 SDL version calls /usr/bin/chkhinge to check the orientation |
| 00:41.19 | chouimat | treke|home: don't know ... waiting to get a ibook G4 |
| 00:41.22 | mickeyl | i need to write this more portable |
| 00:41.28 | treke|home | mickeyl: either patch it out or include chkhinge :) |
| 00:41.39 | treke|home | either options are simple |
| 00:41.42 | mickeyl | treke: do you have the source for that? |
| 00:41.57 | treke|home | somewhere |
| 00:42.02 | mickeyl | cool |
| 00:42.03 | treke|home | you could write it yourself also :) |
| 00:42.06 | mickeyl | where do you get all the stuff from? |
| 00:42.09 | mickeyl | patches |
| 00:42.10 | mickeyl | sources |
| 00:42.11 | mickeyl | etc? |
| 00:42.15 | treke|home | I wrote it |
| 00:42.20 | mickeyl | oh |
| 00:42.40 | treke|home | http://treke.net/c760/rotation/chkhinge.c |
| 00:43.07 | treke|home | none of this stuff has been particularly complicated |
| 00:43.16 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 00:43.47 | mickeyl | adding arbitrary ioctls to a driver interface scares me |
| 00:44.01 | treke|home | that's sharps doing |
| 00:44.05 | mickeyl | i know |
| 00:44.09 | treke|home | I'm just communicating with what they already wrote |
| 00:44.34 | mickeyl | ya... that doesn't make the kernel code better though |
| 00:44.37 | treke|home | chkhinge.c is basically the same thing as that odevice.cpp code, just wanted to save the hit of a a fork and exec |
| 00:46.18 | treke|home | what would really be good is making the touch screen behave sensibly in zoomed mode |
| 00:46.43 | mickeyl | kergoth as our new-born touchscreen maestro can probably do that easily with tslib |
| 00:47.30 | mickeyl | an accellerated qte driver seems important... |
| 00:47.34 | mickeyl | can't anyone leak that out of sharp? |
| 00:47.39 | mickeyl | ups. did i say that? :D |
| 00:48.58 | mickeyl | i'd say drawing rectangles, filling them, and blitting memory regions |
| 00:49.08 | mickeyl | that's enough to make a difference |
| 00:49.37 | mickeyl | ljp: so they actually are communicating again? |
| 00:49.44 | mickeyl | good sign so far |
| 00:51.10 | mickeyl | or the camera driver |
| 00:51.18 | mickeyl | that's mission critical stuff |
| 00:51.18 | mickeyl | heh |
| 00:51.49 | ljp | ummm. there will be 'a' meeting |
| 00:52.07 | ljp | not sure when |
| 00:52.47 | treke|home | maybe you should "reason" with them |
| 00:55.59 | chouimat | ljp: now I know why I got 10C in the last few days ... TT and sharp are talking again |
| 00:57.17 | ljp | heh |
| 00:57.23 | ljp | hasnt happened yet |
| 00:57.39 | chouimat | ljp: ok will get 35C in january :) |
| 00:58.27 | W8TVI | its 39F here right now |
| 00:59.20 | treke|home | it's about 51 here. getting cold. |
| 01:00.08 | ljp | its 26c here |
| 01:01.35 | mickeyl | treke: did you ever built a kernel after my USB changes? using the hw-button, suspend is now _instantaneous_. using O->suspend still takes 1 second. maybe gonna check why that lags in comparison to hw button |
| 01:01.49 | treke|home | yes |
| 01:02.00 | treke|home | I cant get the piro kernels to build regularly though |
| 01:02.07 | treke|home | well it builds, but wont always boot |
| 01:02.14 | mickeyl | disable preemption |
| 01:02.23 | mickeyl | preemption + piro is higly unstable |
| 01:02.47 | treke|home | I dont think I had preemption enabled |
| 01:02.49 | treke|home | but I'll try again |
| 01:03.06 | treke|home | once I get ipkg working again |
| 01:03.15 | mickeyl | yah |
| 01:03.16 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 01:03.28 | mickeyl | ipkg quality degrades |
| 01:03.32 | ljp | life in the fast lane.... |
| 01:03.35 | treke|home | I cant figure it out since I've tried a half dozen different builds |
| 01:03.39 | treke|home | all of them have the same problem |
| 01:04.00 | treke|home | I've also tried 3 different busyboxes |
| 01:04.06 | treke|home | all three have the same problem as ipkg |
| 01:04.32 | ljp | maybe its your machine |
| 01:07.37 | mickeyl | the japanese zaurus folks are pretty cool... good ideas, nice patches. but their attitude towards upstream sources suck. nothing gets fed back to the original authors and they don't care to separate their patches so that one can easily upgrade the base distribution without having to rewrite all the patches... |
| 01:07.57 | mickeyl | s/distribution/source |
| 01:08.34 | treke|home | that basically summarizes the zaurus community in general |
| 01:08.53 | treke|home | look at how many apps are out there with some mystery hacks applied to them |
| 01:09.12 | mickeyl | yeah. i saw that at least 4 times over the weekend. |
| 01:09.13 | mickeyl | snes9x |
| 01:09.20 | mickeyl | qtrdesktop |
| 01:09.21 | mickeyl | sdl |
| 01:09.29 | mickeyl | frodo |
| 01:09.33 | mickeyl | uae |
| 01:09.34 | mickeyl | etc. |
| 01:09.36 | mickeyl | suky |
| 01:09.59 | treke|home | and people wonder why we dont put misc ipks in the feeds |
| 01:10.12 | mickeyl | hah yeah |
| 01:12.41 | darkschneider | a bit out of topic but someone whould make zsnes work on the z isntead of that stupid snes9x.... |
| 01:12.44 | Twiun | mickeyl: news on wonka, just in case the bitrotting state of the buildroot package wasn't an indication of their state of things... http://tinyurl.com/3xjnj |
| 01:13.38 | treke|home | wonka is even in buildroot? |
| 01:13.40 | treke|home | :p |
| 01:14.14 | Twiun | yup, it was, and was building ok |
| 01:14.33 | Twiun | but their development thrust changed to optimisation and I needed features |
| 01:14.34 | treke|home | most of transvirtuals code just disappeared, didnt it? |
| 01:14.42 | Twiun | nope, it's all still there |
| 01:14.57 | treke|home | ah. thought theyclosed their source and then closed up shop a year later |
| 01:15.13 | Twiun | and some gets merged into kaffe whenever someone's looking for a project ;) |
| 01:15.24 | Twiun | they've got a set of win32 peers for instance |
| 01:15.43 | Twiun | but no-one with the windows programming skills to port them to kaffe |
| 01:16.00 | treke|home | cool |
| 01:16.09 | Twiun | as kaffe has evolved quite a lot from the old transvirtual stuff |
| 01:16.49 | treke|home | their de stuff looked pretty cool |
| 01:17.35 | treke|home | pocketworkstation |
| 01:17.37 | treke|home | r whatever it was |
| 01:17.44 | Twiun | pocketlinux |
| 01:18.07 | Twiun | yeah, that goe renamed to XOE 1.0 - the source is still there, on the kaffe ftp server |
| 01:18.13 | treke|home | ah cool |
| 01:18.14 | mickeyl | hey Twiun |
| 01:18.20 | Twiun | hey mickeyl |
| 01:18.25 | mickeyl | d'oh. bad news |
| 01:18.35 | Twiun | yeah, mirroring the cvs repo atm |
| 01:18.40 | Twiun | useful stuff in there |
| 01:19.10 | treke|home | Twiun: did you ever work with it at all? |
| 01:20.22 | Twiun | treke|home: the wonka or the xoe stuff? |
| 01:20.26 | treke|home | xoe |
| 01:20.55 | Twiun | I only messed with compiling it, the ftp sources are in a pretty uncompileable state |
| 01:21.12 | Twiun | but Jim Pick's goal is to fold all that stuff back into kaffe |
| 01:21.19 | Twiun | he was one of the transvirtual guys |
| 01:23.09 | Twiun | and hopefully, if that stuff gets folded into kaffe it'll end up in gcj too |
| 01:24.44 | Twiun | FOSDEM is going to be really interesting this year |
| 01:24.53 | Twiun | lots of OSS java folks are attending |
| 01:25.04 | Twiun | lots==more than 3 ;) |
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| 02:03.10 | mickeyl | treke: ping |
| 02:03.47 | chouimat | mickeyl: it's currently installing |
| 02:04.48 | masticator | heya twiun. |
| 02:04.52 | Twiun | hey masticator |
| 02:06.04 | chouimat | hi masticator |
| 02:06.12 | masticator | hey chou. |
| 02:06.23 | chouimat | masticator: I'm will be at LWE in NYC |
| 02:06.32 | masticator | great, we should hook up. |
| 02:06.41 | masticator | I'll be at the Golden Penguin Bowl |
| 02:06.43 | masticator | judge this time. |
| 02:07.02 | chouimat | masticator: currently installing openstep 4.2 in vmware ... found it with bittorrent |
| 02:07.03 | masticator | I may be even staffing at the IBM booth |
| 02:07.16 | masticator | openstep 4.2? |
| 02:07.21 | masticator | thats the lat intel version right |
| 02:07.21 | treke|home | mickeyl: ping |
| 02:07.50 | chouimat | masticator: yup |
| 02:08.04 | masticator | yeah thats circa what, 1997 |
| 02:08.12 | chouimat | masticator: the one before the rhapsody serie |
| 02:08.13 | mickeyl | treke: how can we implement going into suspend when closing the display? |
| 02:08.28 | treke|home | watch for the keycode |
| 02:08.37 | ljp | very carefully |
| 02:08.44 | masticator | lol, the original Mac OS X alphas were nothing more than openstep with a new gui |
| 02:08.56 | treke|home | disabling the lcd is probably a better idea though |
| 02:09.06 | mickeyl | treke|home: where is the difference between closing the display for going into landscape mode and going into suspend? |
| 02:09.13 | mickeyl | or lcd off or whatever |
| 02:09.16 | ljp | yes, in case someone wants to still listen to mp3 |
| 02:09.17 | treke|home | there is none |
| 02:09.31 | treke|home | other than the value of chkhinge |
| 02:09.31 | mickeyl | treke: huh? we need to differenciate that |
| 02:09.31 | masticator | had apple put out an Intel version of OS X, Linux might not be as prevalent today |
| 02:09.33 | chouimat | masticator: mac os x is openstep with new makeup |
| 02:09.49 | mickeyl | treke: chkhinge tells us? |
| 02:09.51 | masticator | yeah I worked for Canon from 1993-1995 |
| 02:09.52 | treke|home | yes |
| 02:10.00 | masticator | we were an openstep workstation vendor |
| 02:10.06 | masticator | plus, we bought the NeXT factory |
| 02:10.15 | masticator | when NeXT left the hardware biz |
| 02:10.21 | mickeyl | treke: you're the one most familiar with that stuff. can you implement that ? |
| 02:10.22 | masticator | actually, we REPOSESSES the NeXT factory |
| 02:10.26 | treke|home | but as ljp said, someone might have the screen closed while the device is doing something |
| 02:10.33 | masticator | NeXT owed Canon like a billion dollars |
| 02:10.40 | treke|home | so if anything we should only disable the LCD and not suspend |
| 02:10.42 | mickeyl | treke: i'd take care about the GUI configuration then. |
| 02:10.53 | chouimat | masticator: I need to get a laptop ... I think I will get the ibook G4 12" |
| 02:10.53 | mickeyl | i want that to be customizable |
| 02:11.06 | masticator | Yeah I want to pick up a mac as well |
| 02:11.21 | masticator | but i am thinking of getting an IBM JS20 and running mac OS on that |
| 02:11.22 | treke|home | you'd probably need to write a new launcher applet or something |
| 02:11.32 | treke|home | there is no place to put that type of functionality as it is |
| 02:11.36 | masticator | the IBM JS20 is going to be resold by apple as the new mac server |
| 02:11.37 | ljp | my boss pointed the mp3/lid closed playing thing out to me |
| 02:11.39 | darkschneider | (me allwyas turn off lcd and no suspend.. for mp3..) |
| 02:11.41 | mickeyl | treke: light-n-power can take care about that |
| 02:11.41 | masticator | its a blade chassis |
| 02:11.51 | treke|home | mickeyl: I said applet, not settings app |
| 02:11.51 | masticator | with 970's |
| 02:11.58 | treke|home | as in the rotation applet |
| 02:12.04 | mickeyl | treke|home: why? |
| 02:12.13 | mickeyl | that setting belongs to light-n-power |
| 02:12.18 | masticator | they basically took the G5 workstation and turned it into a blade |
| 02:12.19 | mickeyl | i don't see why you need yet another applet for it |
| 02:12.21 | treke|home | light an power isnt a launcher applet |
| 02:12.28 | treke|home | light and power is just a settings application |
| 02:12.32 | chouimat | masticator: server are too expensive for me now ... |
| 02:12.33 | treke|home | they are completely unrelated |
| 02:13.06 | mickeyl | huh? you configure in light and power the power management settings. and if the device should turn off the display or should go into suspend is a power management settings |
| 02:13.49 | treke|home | You need something to implement the proper qcop calls to handle the key presses |
| 02:14.06 | treke|home | right now rotation is done in the rotation applet, but that makes no sense for suspending the application |
| 02:14.26 | mickeyl | hold on, i'm talking about where the customization resides, not about the implementation of the key listener |
| 02:14.30 | treke|home | so you'd need to add an applet that provides c7x00 specific qcop calls for something this |
| 02:14.44 | chouimat | masticator: I will be at the KDE booth |
| 02:15.23 | mickeyl | good. then i'd say the rotation applet can handle the additional qcop |
| 02:16.48 | treke|home | it isnt a logical place to put it though :) |
| 02:17.11 | treke|home | who would think to send a call to QPE/Rotation to send the device into a suspend mode |
| 02:17.35 | Twiun | masticator: http://tinyurl.com/3xjnj |
| 02:17.58 | treke|home | it really belings in its own applet if any |
| 02:17.59 | mickeyl | treke|home: I'm not sure if an applet is required anyway to handle the rotation. |
| 02:18.13 | treke|home | mickeyl: As it is, it is |
| 02:18.23 | Twiun | masticator: looks like kaffe (or another GNU Classpath-derived jvm) will be more likely to live on on the Zaurus |
| 02:18.28 | treke|home | it's how all of opies rotation is handled |
| 02:18.42 | treke|home | as far as I can tell |
| 02:18.56 | mickeyl | ugh, you're talking about the rotation applet in the start menu? |
| 02:19.00 | treke|home | yes |
| 02:19.04 | mickeyl | mmh |
| 02:19.09 | mickeyl | i was talking about your new applet |
| 02:19.14 | mickeyl | nm then |
| 02:19.25 | treke|home | that's what listens for the varius QPE/Rotation stuff |
| 02:19.46 | treke|home | as for my stuff, the buttons need to get mapped to some qcop call |
| 02:20.14 | treke|home | and since this is zaurus specific functionality, it should probably go into a zaurus specific applet |
| 02:20.25 | mickeyl | hmm... are you interested in adding the necessary framework to also support an action on just closing display? |
| 02:21.00 | treke|home | if you cant think of a cleaner way to do it, I'm all ears |
| 02:21.23 | mickeyl | at the moment, i don't have another idea. |
| 02:21.28 | mickeyl | but then again, it's 03:21 here |
| 02:21.32 | mickeyl | time to sleep |
| 02:21.34 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 02:21.46 | Twiun | g'night mickey|zzZZzz |
| 02:22.45 | Twiun | bed for me too methinks... |
| 02:22.50 | Twiun | g'night guys |
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| 03:05.44 | ljp | hmm.. |
| 03:06.01 | ljp | this a300 no likey to flash my image |
| 03:07.57 | ljp | hmm. suppose its that updater.pro thingy |
| 03:19.19 | ljp | hmm, can google translate from japanese yet? |
| 03:19.40 | chouimat | ljp: don't know |
| 03:21.40 | treke|home | not well |
| 03:33.53 | W8TVI | ibot spell heald |
| 03:33.56 | | possible spellings for heald: healed held haled herald heals Head head heal heeled helled halt hold Heall heard hailed halide hauled Harald heady Hals Wald geld half haloed |
| 03:34.23 | W8TVI | ah... forgot the e |
| 03:34.32 | mithro-- | what language is ibot written in? |
| 03:34.47 | darkschneider | normaly bots are perl |
| 03:34.58 | mithro-- | yeah - i was being hopeful :) |
| 03:35.07 | W8TVI | ibot ibot |
| 03:35.10 | | methinks ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. eliza's boyfriend. Enemy of SCOBot |
| 03:35.51 | W8TVI | ibot scobot |
| 03:35.53 | | extra, extra, read all about it, scobot is It was a dark and storm night when SCObot came into being. The powers of good were destroying the credibility of the Evil Ones, and the powers of evil realized they had to fight back. Thus was hatched the plan to cover the planet with their cruel robot minions. There first target: #utah. |
| 03:35.54 | mithro-- | The slowest and most bloated bot in the world |
| 03:36.05 | treke|home | ok fucking wierd |
| 03:36.30 | mithro-- | thats from the blootbot's website :) |
| 03:36.30 | chouimat | mithro--: your compat ipk work great |
| 03:36.47 | chouimat | quote from a hot chick: 'I have been known to break laws in the bedroom" |
| 03:37.24 | treke|home | the http transfer is corrupting the ipks |
| 03:37.35 | mithro-- | chouimat: now the question is, how where you involved in this quote? |
| 03:37.51 | chouimat | mithro--: just saw that in a magazine ... |
| 03:38.38 | mithro-- | chouimat: COOL! you read it in a magazine, that must like be as good as being in that bed ;) |
| 03:39.06 | chouimat | mithro--: hehe |
| 03:40.02 | treke|home | suddenly apache was serving up ipks wrong |
| 03:40.41 | mithro-- | chouimat: how do you make your apps use the compat libs? |
| 03:40.47 | mithro-- | the command line or the gui? |
| 03:40.51 | chouimat | gui |
| 03:42.06 | mithro-- | coolies |
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| 03:57.55 | masticator | SCO is the evil eye of Sauron |
| 03:59.00 | treke|home | now that ipkg works I can try getting the new opie mail client running |
| 04:04.12 | chouimat | sco is a bunch of morons |
| 04:05.46 | treke|home | cool. it works now |
| 04:07.11 | treke|home | and it's actually working. this is sweet |
| 04:10.00 | treke|home | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.14689.png |
| 04:12.30 | treke|home | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.16460.png |
| 04:15.07 | treke|home | looks like imaps doesnt work yet though |
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| 04:21.24 | darkschneider | nigth all |
| 04:23.10 | chouimat | nite |
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| 04:34.04 | ljp | crap |
| 04:35.43 | ljp | anyone know of buildroot can create working a300 images? |
| 04:36.04 | treke|home | probably not |
| 04:36.36 | treke|home | neo is the only person I know of that has an a300 outside of sharp and trolltech |
| 04:41.42 | chouimat | treke|home: no support for the H4150 yet? |
| 04:42.05 | treke|home | in oz? no |
| 04:42.13 | treke|home | in familiar, I dont know, probably not |
| 04:42.23 | chouimat | ok ... |
| 04:44.42 | ljp | cause the one I have built aint flashing :) |
| 04:45.11 | ljp | but perhaps its the updater.pro guythingy |
| 04:45.40 | W8TVI | the ambicom gps cf card that I want costs $150 here |
| 04:45.55 | W8TVI | but it comes with an external antenna |
| 04:47.06 | W8TVI | t'd be cool to have it for geocaching |
| 04:50.16 | W8TVI | and it should work with my laptop too... |
| 05:01.11 | ljp | no it wouldnt |
| 05:02.16 | W8TVI | yes it would |
| 05:02.50 | W8TVI | it makes a seriall port |
| 05:05.23 | W8TVI | at the very least, it would work under linux |
| 05:05.55 | W8TVI | it works with the zaurus |
| 05:16.23 | ljp | nope. |
| 05:16.59 | W8TVI | oh yeah? |
| 05:23.01 | ljp | yeah |
| 05:23.25 | W8TVI | ljp: see http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=885840&forum_id=206323 |
| 05:23.39 | ljp | nope. thats just a rumour |
| 05:23.53 | ljp | hearsay |
| 05:24.17 | W8TVI | yeah, sure. I prove you wrong and your not amn enough to admit it. |
| 05:24.54 | ljp | I dont even know what you are talking about. I was just disagreeing |
| 05:26.22 | W8TVI | likely story |
| 05:31.32 | W8TVI | bah! I'll just get the garmin etrex vista |
| 05:32.23 | ljp | ? |
| 05:34.01 | ljp | hmmm.. |
| 05:47.29 | W8TVI | game |
| 06:02.30 | W8TVI | sniped! |
| 06:02.31 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.43 | W8TVI | that is, I sniped! |
| 06:02.51 | W8TVI | :) |
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| 06:32.12 | W8TVI | ibot spell nessasity |
| 06:32.16 | | possible spellings for nessasity: necessity nasality Nessa's Massasoit nasty newscast newsiest Nessi's essayist necessary nosiest NASAs bassist messiest nest |
| 06:33.40 | TMM1 | ooh |
| 06:33.41 | TMM1 | nice |
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| 06:34.38 | W8TVI | hey TheMasterMind1 |
| 06:35.04 | W8TVI | TheMasterMind1: I'm an ebay buying fool! |
| 06:35.40 | W8TVI | TheMasterMind1: I've spent $70 on there in the last 5 days |
| 06:35.53 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 06:38.28 | W8TVI | I finaly broke down and got a GOOD winter jacket |
| 06:38.37 | W8TVI | a colmubia |
| 06:38.48 | W8TVI | the tag price was $210! |
| 06:39.03 | W8TVI | but they were running a 20% off sale |
| 06:39.11 | W8TVI | so it didnt hurt as much |
| 06:41.44 | ljp | heh |
| 06:41.52 | ljp | I wont need a winter jacket for years |
| 06:41.57 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
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| 06:44.02 | ljp | but I am going to need a surfboard very soon |
| 06:53.07 | treke|home | ibot, seen kergoth? |
| 06:53.08 | | kergoth <kergoth@zelda.tuxnami.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 5d 2h 56m 43s ago, saying: 'ssh, freeswan, what have you'. |
| 06:56.31 | ljp | guess he never got his net up at home |
| 06:59.28 | W8TVI | :( |
| 07:16.14 | treke|home | hmmm. |
| 07:16.23 | treke|home | should I get a 1gb cf card for offline imap? :p |
| 07:16.37 | W8TVI | hey treke|home: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3067786697&category=15017&rd=1 |
| 07:17.00 | treke|home | erm. cool |
| 07:17.08 | treke|home | you are addicted |
| 07:17.21 | W8TVI | 1 cent! |
| 07:17.31 | W8TVI | one stinking cent! |
| 07:17.40 | W8TVI | for 14 cases |
| 07:17.43 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 07:17.45 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 07:17.47 | W8TVI | and $10 shipping |
| 07:17.49 | TheMasterMind1 | 10 bucks shipping though |
| 07:17.50 | treke|home | that guys an idiot |
| 07:18.14 | W8TVI | figuring in the shipping, they cost .73 cents a peice |
| 07:18.31 | TheMasterMind1 | what are you going to do with them though |
| 07:18.37 | W8TVI | seeing that to get one case, it'd cost be about the same.... |
| 07:19.52 | W8TVI | most of them going for about $5 with $5 shipping.... |
| 07:19.57 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 07:20.10 | TheMasterMind1 | so you going to sell the remaining 13 for $5/each? |
| 07:20.20 | W8TVI | dont think so... |
| 07:20.36 | W8TVI | I'm going to give two or three to a friend of mine |
| 07:21.23 | W8TVI | I think I'll try to sell some on our local fourms |
| 07:21.51 | W8TVI | and ask on our lug mail list if anyone has a palm v and needs a case |
| 07:22.49 | Pendalar | W8TVI: one thing to verify quickly is the m500/505/515 group should fit that as well |
| 07:22.54 | Pendalar | not just V/Vx |
| 07:23.02 | W8TVI | really? |
| 07:23.04 | Pendalar | much newer products to market |
| 07:23.15 | W8TVI | cool |
| 07:23.17 | Pendalar | it's the same shape, you might want to dig up specs to verify |
| 07:23.24 | Pendalar | but yeah the V's are ancient |
| 07:23.26 | W8TVI | k |
| 07:23.36 | Pendalar | the m5xx is like 1-1.5 yr old |
| 07:23.38 | W8TVI | I just got on on ebay |
| 07:23.38 | W8TVI | Vx |
| 07:24.00 | W8TVI | I needed to find what was making a bug... |
| 07:24.15 | Pendalar | I had a m505 and although I didn't have a V unit, I'd say (99.5% sure anyways) it'd work |
| 07:24.21 | W8TVI | now that I got it tracked down, I upgraded it to POS 4.1 |
| 07:24.49 | Pendalar | it's the same shell design, the key would be if it bulges out the back or something (bigger battery?) |
| 07:25.01 | Pendalar | would be nice if you could find someone locally to test on |
| 07:25.05 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 07:25.30 | W8TVI | the V/Vx doesnt bulge on the back |
| 07:26.07 | W8TVI | all the keys on the front are flush other than the up/down key |
| 07:26.20 | W8TVI | and that sticks out less than half an inch |
| 07:26.24 | Pendalar | same on m505 iirc |
| 07:26.33 | Pendalar | it's the same shell no doubt |
| 07:26.37 | W8TVI | does the cover go in the left side? |
| 07:26.45 | Pendalar | yes |
| 07:27.18 | W8TVI | does it use the same stylus as the V? |
| 07:27.29 | W8TVI | I think it does... |
| 07:27.35 | Pendalar | hm.. as I didn't have one, I'm not sure.. but it did fit flush in on the right side |
| 07:27.38 | W8TVI | as I saw a stylus light |
| 07:27.43 | treke|home | damnit |
| 07:27.48 | treke|home | offlineimap uses maildir |
| 07:28.19 | Pendalar | http://www.palmone.com/us/products/handhelds/other/ |
| 07:28.38 | Pendalar | you might can grab the specs of all the old models (pdf sadly) if you really want to know |
| 07:29.02 | W8TVI | heh |
| 07:29.19 | W8TVI | looks like the none of the buttons stick out |
| 07:29.23 | W8TVI | so that would be ok |
| 07:29.41 | Pendalar | yeah I would be pretty surprised if it didn't fit |
| 07:29.56 | Pendalar | and from a marketting perspective you can milk it for more if it fits newer models |
| 07:30.33 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 07:30.41 | Pendalar | anyways have fun with that ;-) |
| 07:30.46 | Pendalar | 'night all |
| 07:31.01 | W8TVI | night |
| 07:40.23 | treke|home | hmmm. looks like I have to recompile uw-imapd |
| 07:40.27 | treke|home | maybe I'll try that tomorrow |
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| 14:57.57 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:06.03 | chouimat | hi CosmicPenguin |
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| 15:36.05 | mickeyl | anyone here with an ipaq or a sl5x000 to check something for me? |
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| 16:03.52 | NS-Home | I have a 5500 that is fairly spare |
| 16:06.12 | mickeyl | which ROM? |
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| 16:29.03 | NS-Home | it's running 3.3.6-pre1 |
| 16:30.35 | NS-Home | just going to reboot my desktop to try 2.6 /msg me if you stil need me to try stuff |
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| 16:37.09 | NS-Home | well that didn't work |
| 16:37.54 | treke|home | mickeyl: mornin |
| 16:38.25 | pb_ | hi treke |
| 16:38.26 | pb_ | hi mickey |
| 16:38.29 | mickeyl | hey treke |
| 16:38.30 | mickeyl | hi pb_ |
| 16:38.40 | treke|home | mickeyl: finally tacked down the ipk problem |
| 16:39.20 | mickeyl | ... and? |
| 16:39.25 | treke|home | mickeyl: I dont know why, but out of the blue the files were being corrupted on download, I set a mime entry for ipks in apache and it works |
| 16:39.33 | mickeyl | d'oh. odd |
| 16:39.49 | mickeyl | first time that ipkg wasn't guilty? :D |
| 16:39.59 | treke|home | hehe |
| 16:40.14 | treke|home | I did get opie mail running, so thats cool |
| 16:40.30 | mickeyl | yep nice work |
| 16:40.33 | treke|home | now I just need to hack together uw-imapd and offline imap onto the my zaurus and I'll be a happy camper |
| 16:44.39 | treke|home | nowthat I know my libetpan stuff works, I'll push when I get to work |
| 16:46.26 | mickeyl | ah cool |
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| 16:55.55 | CIA-4 | repository=03buildroot user=11ggilbert@olddog.treke.net |
| 16:55.56 | CIA-4 | 07ChangeSet@1.1414 urk |
| 16:58.00 | mickeyl | wow |
| 16:58.02 | mickeyl | quite a changeset |
| 16:58.06 | treke|home | hehe |
| 16:58.19 | treke|home | that's 3 or 4 weeks of me hacking at things :) |
| 16:58.50 | mickeyl | cool |
| 16:58.56 | mickeyl | one thing thoug |
| 16:58.57 | chouimat|coffee | hmmm I like the urk comment |
| 16:59.14 | mickeyl | please remember to push the revision back to 1 if you upgrade to a newer version |
| 16:59.16 | treke|home | it was either that or "buttload of changes, see details" |
| 16:59.50 | chouimat|coffee | treke|home: the buttload is more meaninful ;) |
| 17:01.39 | treke|home | so live withit :) |
| 17:02.20 | chouimat|coffee | treke: too busy teaching my cat to stop meowing |
| 17:02.30 | treke|home | duct tape can do that |
| 17:02.32 | CosmicPenguin | Good luck with all of that |
| 17:03.04 | chouimat|coffee | CosmicPenguin: yup |
| 17:05.15 | CosmicPenguin | The most annoying thing in open source today isn't SCO or Microsoft |
| 17:05.23 | CosmicPenguin | hands down its the gcc 2 vs gcc 3 issues |
| 17:05.35 | chouimat|coffee | yup |
| 17:06.57 | mickeyl | compatibility is and always has been a problem for closed source stuff. where is the problem in open source? |
| 17:07.24 | CosmicPenguin | Did i say problem? |
| 17:07.28 | CosmicPenguin | I said annoying |
| 17:11.30 | gawel | bork |
| 17:11.48 | gawel | anybody knows where REALQTDIR gets set in buildroot? |
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| 17:15.38 | mickeyl | proably in Vars.make or in Rules.make |
| 17:17.57 | gawel | yup found it. thanks |
| 17:34.07 | CIA-4 | repository=03buildroot user=11mickey@allanon.vanille.de |
| 17:34.08 | CIA-4 | 07ChangeSet@1.1415 upgrade sqlite to v2.8.8 and use the original location again |
| 17:34.45 | CIA-4 | repository=03buildroot user=11mickey@allanon.vanille.de |
| 17:34.45 | CIA-4 | 07ChangeSet@1.1416 add libetpan and libdb3 to config system |
| 17:35.16 | treke | oops, did I not add them to the config system? |
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| 18:12.02 | chouimat|coffee | hmmm ukraine 0 Canada 9 ... |
| 18:18.18 | treke | hmmm. I wonder if busybox has an inetd implementation |
| 18:19.27 | chouimat|coffee | mickey|dinner: any plan for an opie head based rom for the collie? |
| 18:20.09 | gawel | treke: hmmm. so shouldn't qte spec under oe have opie patches included? |
| 18:20.30 | treke | gawel: that isnt a qte for opie |
| 18:21.01 | treke | it's just qte |
| 18:21.02 | gawel | oh. |
| 18:21.57 | gawel | lemme guess. uicmoc is what one should compile opie against? |
| 18:22.18 | gawel | oh, not that one either |
| 18:22.57 | treke | the opie qte isnt in oe |
| 18:23.42 | gawel | so, i should create a qte for opie on my own then? |
| 18:23.47 | treke | yes |
| 18:24.09 | gawel | what should i name it? qte-opie? |
| 18:24.38 | treke | just compile it by hand |
| 18:26.05 | gawel | but the whole point is to have opie under oe... |
| 18:26.33 | treke | and that will happen |
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| 18:27.29 | treke | at the moment it's waiting for opie to adapt to oe |
| 18:28.17 | gawel | treke: like the issue of different patches for different architectures? |
| 18:28.42 | treke | opie is going to use oe as the buildsystem |
| 18:29.30 | gawel | treke: ah. 8> my approach is to predefine a .config for opie and compile away |
| 18:31.26 | gawel | treke: so, uhm, when will transition of opie to oe will happen? |
| 18:31.45 | treke | no one is really sure :) |
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| 18:32.44 | gawel | hehe, then a static .config seems to be the way to go for time being |
| 18:33.59 | treke | I'd just do your opie builds by hand or with buildroot for now |
| 18:36.32 | gawel | so how close are we to having kergoth *not* work on transition of silly packages put together a decent kernel under oe? |
| 18:37.07 | treke | why does kergoth need to put together a kernel .oe? |
| 18:37.16 | treke | it's a fairly trivial package |
| 18:37.25 | gawel | oh |
| 18:37.48 | gawel | i thought that tracking down all the patches and making sure that they work under different kernel versions is a tough work |
| 18:38.14 | treke | the patches work fine with 2.4.18 |
| 18:38.14 | gawel | treke: so that OZ would release a new build with oe? |
| 18:39.05 | treke | there are other people capable of doing kernel packages than kergoth, like I said, it's a simple package |
| 18:43.29 | gawel | treke: well, stuff is still missing from 2.4.18 kernel (like the irda driver for 5600) 8> |
| 18:44.03 | treke | erm, we use the same stuff as sharp does |
| 18:45.17 | gawel | treke: pxa_ir.c aint in 2.4.18 patches |
| 18:50.45 | gawel | last time i checked pxa_ir was in 2.4.19 patchset |
| 18:55.00 | treke | gawel: Sharp uses 2.4.18, so there must be one in there. |
| 19:04.52 | gawel | is there any way of making making version specific dependencies under oe? such as package foo depends on bla 1.0 |
| 19:05.23 | treke | not sure, try dependeing on package_version |
| 19:06.39 | treke | yup, depend on $PN-$PV |
| 19:06.49 | gawel | s/7q/opie/ even |
| 19:06.52 | gawel | treke: thanks |
| 19:06.56 | treke | dont do that |
| 19:06.59 | treke | inherit and override |
| 19:07.30 | gawel | oh cool |
| 19:07.39 | gawel | every day is a new oe learning day |
| 19:10.01 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:11.45 | gawel | so what *exactly* is a virtual class? |
| 19:11.57 | gawel | not in OO, but under oe |
| 19:13.03 | treke | a class that doesnt exist, but is provided by other .oes |
| 19:14.02 | gawel | hmmm, so what will end up providing qte and libqte2 then? |
| 19:14.23 | treke | qte would? |
| 19:15.05 | gawel | doh |
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| 19:18.32 | treke | putting oz on it? |
| 19:18.37 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 19:18.40 | treke | cool |
| 19:18.47 | CosmicPenguin | I hope |
| 19:19.09 | treke | did you update kernel-ipaq and modutils? |
| 19:19.14 | treke | that should be all that needs changing |
| 19:19.19 | CosmicPenguin | kernel-ipaq has been updated |
| 19:19.33 | CosmicPenguin | Plus I added all the nessesary stuff into the main Config.in for options and whatnot |
| 19:19.38 | treke | cool |
| 19:19.45 | CosmicPenguin | Modutils I'll update when I figure out exactly what is needed |
| 19:20.10 | CosmicPenguin | The biggest problem so far is that the familiar folks still use 2.95.3, but their toolchain is updated to include xscale optimizations |
| 19:20.29 | treke | CosmicPenguin: lemme get you the list |
| 19:20.36 | CosmicPenguin | So I had to pull those out, and add some patches to fix macro bugs |
| 19:20.54 | treke | http://handhelds.org/~nelson/make-busyboot |
| 19:21.14 | chouimat|coffee | ARRRGGGG .... why they all decided to take 2 weeks off ... |
| 19:21.59 | CosmicPenguin | Thats useful |
| 19:22.03 | CosmicPenguin | thanks |
| 19:22.31 | treke | yup, that's what nelson uses to generate familiar images |
| 19:23.06 | CosmicPenguin | I don't expect there to be many gotchas |
| 19:23.20 | CosmicPenguin | I just hope the audio works, because thats what this is all for |
| 19:24.11 | W8TVI | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 19:24.17 | | kergoth <kergoth@zelda.tuxnami.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 5d 15h 27m 52s ago, saying: 'ssh, freeswan, what have you'. |
| 19:24.47 | chouimat|coffee | damn!!! I have 4 hours trip to get there ... and there is a huge possibility that I will be there for 20 minutes :( |
| 19:25.04 | W8TVI | for what? |
| 19:25.50 | chouimat|coffee | W8TVI: a customer blew something and knowing him better go there and fix it myself |
| 19:25.59 | W8TVI | ah |
| 19:26.23 | darkschneider | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.18 | CosmicPenguin | sigh - I'm all combobulated |
| 19:35.09 | chouimat|coffee | CosmicPenguin: take a rest then |
| 19:36.02 | gawel | treke: uhm, are you *sure* one can inherit package info without entries in $OEDIR/class? |
| 19:36.17 | treke | yes |
| 19:36.20 | treke | I am sure |
| 19:37.18 | gawel | so i can say in qte_2.3.7opie.oe: "SRC_URI:= blah, then inherit qte-2.3.7"? and it should see do_configures and all? |
| 19:37.42 | treke | look through the existing packages to see how to do it |
| 19:37.53 | treke | pkgconfig does is |
| 19:38.16 | gawel | doh! include not inherit |
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| 20:14.04 | ljp | bleh |
| 20:27.01 | bipolar | 0.o |
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| 21:03.19 | gawel | uhm, where does sharp_char.h come from? |
| 21:08.35 | gawel | ah, found it |
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| 21:34.25 | CosmicPenguin | sigh |
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| 21:57.43 | treke|home | CosmicPenguin: any luck? |
| 21:59.53 | gawel | voot. opie compiled under oe |
| 22:00.12 | treke|home | cool |
| 22:00.38 | gawel | now, let's repeat the excercise making sure all dependencies are working |
| 22:00.42 | gawel | *sigh* |
| 22:13.51 | darkschneider | ~slap darkschneider |
| 22:13.54 | | ACTION slaps darkschneider, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:31.11 | gawel | one does *not* want to build mail client under opie, right? |
| 22:33.46 | ljp | why mot. which one |
| 22:34.24 | gawel | uhm, well, that is a very good question. CONFIG_MAIL |
| 22:34.37 | gawel | that has OPIEMAIL2 and BEND |
| 22:34.43 | gawel | dunno what they do |
| 22:39.58 | CosmicPenguin | treke|home: things are slow - for some reason, its not picking up the png dependancy for Matchbox |
| 22:40.15 | CosmicPenguin | I can hand hack the .depends file, but I would rather figure out why its broken |
| 22:47.09 | darkschneider | mickey|dinner: wellenreiret II is yours?! |
| 22:47.36 | treke | CosmicPenguin: but it otherwhise builds? |
| 22:48.01 | treke | gawel: It all depends on what branch of CVS you use |
| 22:48.05 | treke | CosmicPenguin: and boots? |
| 22:48.14 | mickeyl | darkschneider: yep. i am mr. wellenreiter |
| 22:48.40 | darkschneider | i can only make you my best compliments... |
| 22:48.40 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:48.59 | treke | I can help you with some insults if you'd like |
| 22:49.05 | darkschneider | eheh :P |
| 22:49.09 | gawel | heh |
| 22:49.09 | treke | in the interest of balance |
| 22:49.48 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:53.41 | chouimat | grrrrr |
| 22:55.43 | gawel | *gently* *gently* must not change anything. opie now compiles repeatedly under oe |
| 22:55.57 | gawel | now who wants to package the damned thing? |
| 22:58.28 | gawel | i thought so |
| 22:58.54 | treke | there was a reason we were all waiting for kergoth to rewrite the build system :) |
| 22:59.06 | mickeyl | s/were/are |
| 22:59.12 | treke | hehe |
| 22:59.18 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:59.33 | mickeyl | that won't happen before 1.2 |
| 22:59.37 | gawel | exactly |
| 22:59.53 | gawel | so you might as well build some static .config and have at it |
| 23:00.12 | chouimat | mickeyl: any plan for a image for collie with opie head? |
| 23:00.15 | gawel | now if i could figure out how to tweak patches under oe the same way buildroot does it |
| 23:00.23 | treke | hehe, if you want to populate all of the packaging targets, have at it |
| 23:00.43 | gawel | uhm, no. 8 |
| 23:00.44 | mickeyl | chouimat: theoretically yes, practically i have yet to get a working HEAD on any of my Z's. seems opie HEAD doesn't like me :) |
| 23:00.44 | gawel | 8> |
| 23:01.06 | chouimat | mickeyl: maybe your gf/wife talked to it lately ;) |
| 23:01.20 | treke | mickeyl: really? other than the init script not being installed, it works pretty well for me |
| 23:02.00 | mickeyl | treke: yeah, that's what astounds me as well. my builds all seems to hang before the display is initialized. no matter if I call qpe or opie-login. |
| 23:02.34 | treke | You sure it isnt before the Z actually boots the rootfs? |
| 23:02.44 | mickeyl | yes, because i call it manually |
| 23:02.48 | treke | I have frequent problems with not even reaching the "Booting" prompt |
| 23:02.51 | dan2003 | i had head built, but had forgotton tslib so it wasnt much use :( |
| 23:02.57 | treke | wierd. I just did a new head build yesterday |
| 23:03.03 | dan2003 | i cant get qt to build with tslib :( |
| 23:03.42 | mickeyl | i'll look into that. if we're going to release 1.2 in february we should start with 1.1.x releases now. |
| 23:04.02 | treke | the plan was to release 1.2 in feb? |
| 23:04.11 | mickeyl | yes. |
| 23:04.28 | treke | has anyone actually worked on things like the pim transition? |
| 23:04.28 | mickeyl | not impossible |
| 23:04.43 | chouimat | mickeyl: let me guess the team == you :) |
| 23:05.13 | mickeyl | chouimat: hah. thankfully not. i must do less oss developing - i have a life and a career to push# |
| 23:05.26 | chouimat | mickeyl: hehe |
| 23:05.28 | treke | lives are overrated |
| 23:05.35 | ljp | so are careers |
| 23:05.41 | mickeyl | eilers worked on the sqlite backend and the pim. zecke works on bigscreen and pim. others doing small fixes. alwin and harlekin the new mail client |
| 23:06.22 | treke | So is the pim stuff actually something that can be enabled it current builds? If it expected to mostly work I'd be glad to start trying it |
| 23:06.29 | mickeyl | i'm toying with SDL and emulators. wellenreiter and camera work fine and will ship like they are now for opie 1.2 |
| 23:07.05 | mickeyl | treke: no idea. you could write a mail to opie-devel for querying the PIM status and pestering eilers :) |
| 23:07.56 | treke | maybe we should try scheduling a meeting to get everyone together and decide on what features definitly should be in 1.2 |
| 23:08.21 | mickeyl | agreed. |
| 23:08.25 | treke | I'll go back through and recheck the nonroot patch since this is coming up soon |
| 23:08.31 | treke | I want to see that in the next release |
| 23:09.02 | treke | I'll mail the opie-devel list about that |
| 23:09.13 | mickeyl | yup. get the ball rolling |
| 23:09.46 | treke | too bad mantis doesnt do bug dependencies |
| 23:10.15 | treke | it's handy for prepping for releases |
| 23:10.19 | gawel | uhm bugzilla does |
| 23:10.33 | treke | Last I checked, the opie bug database wasnt in bugzilla |
| 23:10.42 | gawel | yup |
| 23:10.53 | mickeyl | forget mantis |
| 23:11.00 | mickeyl | mantis is full of trash entries |
| 23:11.03 | treke | hehe |
| 23:11.07 | mickeyl | definitly needs a new start |
| 23:11.14 | treke | I like the way the gpe and familiar guys handle it |
| 23:11.52 | treke | create a new release bug make it depend on all of the bug to be fixed for the release |
| 23:12.11 | ljp | then we'd never have a release |
| 23:12.14 | treke | I could set up rt3 for opie also |
| 23:12.15 | mickeyl | the familiar folks seem to have more educated users |
| 23:12.24 | mickeyl | less braindead bugs in the bugtracker |
| 23:12.33 | mickeyl | less pain in keeping the system clean |
| 23:13.13 | treke | yeah it's a pain in the but |
| 23:14.10 | treke | wonder if anyone would be interested in maintaining a bug database |
| 23:14.39 | treke | get an interested person to watch incoming mails, and then insert them into the bug list |
| 23:15.07 | pb_ | mickeyl: we do get our share of dumb bugs, but not so many that we're overwhelmed. |
| 23:15.20 | treke | pb_: half of our bugs are OZ or familiar bugs |
| 23:15.37 | treke | "my network card doesnt work" |
| 23:15.48 | treke | "my device doesnt resume" |
| 23:15.53 | pb_ | treke: yeah, that's a difficult problem. We gave up a long time ago trying to maintain separate bug databases for gpe and familiar, because users were forever filing bugs in the wrong one. |
| 23:16.16 | pb_ | turned out to be easier just to put everything in one database, and reassign bugs to different components as necessary. |
| 23:16.21 | treke | hehe |
| 23:17.48 | pb_ | even relatively smart users can find it difficult to figure out which component is to blame sometimes. for example, we had some trouble with gpe-calendar displaying dates wrong; it turned out that this was actually a bug in libc, and hence familiar, but the only place it actually showed up was in gpe programs. |
| 23:18.03 | treke | yeah |
| 23:18.27 | mickeyl | right. we need a unified oe/open<whatEver>/opie bugtracker with sane categories. |
| 23:18.34 | treke | Sometimes it is confusing, it seems to be a particular blight on OZ and Opie that people don't know the difference |
| 23:18.53 | treke | mickeyl: OE/OZ is switching over to rt3 once kergoth figures it out |
| 23:18.57 | mickeyl | that's why noone polished X |
| 23:19.04 | mickeyl | and noone cared about picogui |
| 23:19.12 | mickeyl | treke: good. i'm all for that |
| 23:19.15 | treke | pb_: People even write articles on the zaurus calling openzaurus opie rom |
| 23:19.19 | mickeyl | treke: but we need to include GUI categories |
| 23:19.32 | pb_ | treke: yeah, indeed. I guess it doesn't help that opie and openzaurus use the same logo. |
| 23:19.34 | treke | mickeyl: I can set you up an accounton the system if you want |
| 23:19.45 | treke | and are pretty much developed by the same people |
| 23:19.50 | pb_ | yah |
| 23:20.01 | treke | it's kinda like calling the linux ipaq port and familiar two different projects |
| 23:20.22 | ljp | they arent?! |
| 23:21.40 | treke | ljp: would you be able to do some bug fixing on advancedfm for the next opie? |
| 23:21.41 | pb_ | well, obviously they _are_, because openipaq uses the linux port and doesn't use familiar. but it's certainly true that a lot of the work on them tends to be done by the same people. |
| 23:21.53 | treke | and there used to be intimate |
| 23:21.56 | treke | and kiss |
| 23:22.10 | pb_ | yup. I think intimate is still going. |
| 23:22.31 | mickeyl | treke: sure, why not - if this is yet the "real" system. |
| 23:22.39 | mickeyl | s/yet/already |
| 23:22.41 | pb_ | it seemed to be abandoned for a longtime, because all the original developers lost interest, but I think some new dudes have picked it up. |
| 23:23.07 | treke | mickeyl: Not yet |
| 23:28.04 | ljp | treke: what bugs? |
| 23:28.25 | treke | ljp: Last I tried it, there were problems with moving and deleting files with spaces in the name |
| 23:28.35 | treke | it also didnt like deleting a directory with files in it |
| 23:28.40 | ljp | dont uses names with spaces |
| 23:28.41 | darkschneider | btw mickeyl that xine but on 5600 is not fixed (the one "can't open <oss>" or somethign) |
| 23:28.51 | treke | ljp: seriously. |
| 23:28.56 | ljp | oh, ok |
| 23:29.01 | ljp | I'll look at it |
| 23:29.08 | treke | thanks |
| 23:30.47 | mickeyl | darkschneider: a fixed libxine1 is in all 3.3.6pre1. i didn't get a change to build 3.3.6-pre1 for the 5600 yet (sorry, but this is low priority), but you should be able to substitute with a libxine from the c7x0 feed |
| 23:31.17 | mickeyl | s/change/chance |
| 23:31.29 | gawel | mickey: so where is 3.3.6 pre1 available? |
| 23:31.35 | darkschneider | oki i test the one from |
| 23:31.41 | darkschneider | c7x0 |
| 23:31.44 | darkschneider | gawel: sec |
| 23:31.56 | mickeyl | gawel: official/experimental/ |
| 23:31.59 | darkschneider | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/ |
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| 23:32.53 | gawel | mickey: uhm the buildroot? i was thinking of building 3.3.6pre1 on 5600 |
| 23:33.11 | mickeyl | can't parse the question "uhm the buildroot?" |
| 23:33.13 | darkschneider | gawel: it sould be nice if you try that |
| 23:33.34 | mickeyl | it is fixed in buildroot, yes, of course. |
| 23:34.07 | mickeyl | snipped of 3.3.6-pre1 release notes: |
| 23:34.11 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.12 | mickeyl | :D |
| 23:34.17 | darkschneider | ehm c7x0 feed does nto have libxine :P |
| 23:34.25 | darkschneider | ehm |
| 23:34.32 | darkschneider | delette the last sentence |
| 23:34.41 | darkschneider | (stupid "find") |
| 23:34.46 | dan2003 | i have libxine on c760 |
| 23:34.57 | dan2003 | haha |
| 23:35.06 | darkschneider | yeah yeah.. me only flodding... i'm bot... don0t care about me |
| 23:35.54 | ljp | treke: seems to be working here on my desktop, lemme try on z |
| 23:35.58 | treke | it might have been fixed, I haven actually tried it for a couple weeks |
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| 23:39.29 | gawel | mickey: when you talk about 3.3.6 pre 1, i thought there would be an entry in def-configs for that prerelease, no? |
| 23:40.40 | mickeyl | no changes in def-config since 3.3.56 |
| 23:40.43 | mickeyl | 3.3.5 even |
| 23:41.06 | mickeyl | there are changes which don't affect the default configuration |
| 23:41.12 | mickeyl | most, in fact. |
| 23:41.46 | gawel | so, err, what *is* 3.3.6 pre 1? |
| 23:42.12 | mickeyl | read README.FIRST |
| 23:42.25 | mickeyl | in official/experimental/c7x0.../ |
| 23:42.32 | mickeyl | the changes are documented there |
| 23:42.44 | gawel | cool, thanks |
| 23:43.05 | treke | gawel: The system hasnt changed much structurally since 3.3.5, so there isnt much need to change default configs |
| 23:43.15 | ljp | any other bugs in adfancedfm? |
| 23:43.24 | treke | ljp: not that I know of |
| 23:43.27 | mickeyl | bugs can be fixed in the packages itself, not in the configuration of the packages |
| 23:43.31 | darkschneider | gawel: if you build a rom for poodle let me know so i can test it |
| 23:43.54 | treke | ljp: does scap work on c7x0? |
| 23:44.23 | ljp | I think mickeyl did something to screenshotapplet this week |
| 23:44.27 | treke | cool |
| 23:44.35 | mickeyl | i did, but it still doesn't work with sizes != 320x240 |
| 23:44.44 | mickeyl | that's due to the QImage configuration |
| 23:44.46 | ljp | ya, I know |
| 23:44.47 | treke | ah |
| 23:44.49 | CIA-4 | repository=03buildroot user=11mickey@allanon.vanille.de |
| 23:44.50 | CIA-4 | 07ChangeSet@1.1417 fix libetpan staging |
| 23:44.54 | mickeyl | you should get the picture out of the framebuffer, then it works. |
| 23:44.58 | ljp | QImage configuration? |
| 23:45.04 | mickeyl | conversion |
| 23:45.07 | mickeyl | not configuration |
| 23:45.11 | ljp | ahh |
| 23:45.18 | mickeyl | e.g. if you send the raw fb data, even 640x480 works |
| 23:45.24 | mickeyl | should be a mini fix |
| 23:45.51 | ljp | hmm, I thought it did read the fb for scap |
| 23:46.16 | mickeyl | yeah, but you send the Qimage.bits() which is not necessary the same as /dev/fb gives |
| 23:46.31 | ljp | hmm, I didnt write that part.. |
| 23:46.37 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:46.39 | ljp | simon did the scap |
| 23:46.39 | mickeyl | who did ? |
| 23:46.41 | mickeyl | oh |
| 23:46.48 | mickeyl | blame those who are gone :) |
| 23:46.51 | mickeyl | "gone" even |
| 23:47.01 | ljp | he's not gone, he's an intern at TT in Oslo |
| 23:47.11 | mickeyl | oh i thought you meant simon hausmann (tronical) |
| 23:47.17 | ljp | yes |
| 23:47.30 | mickeyl | he works for TT now? |
| 23:47.36 | ljp | internship |
| 23:47.40 | treke | cool deal |
| 23:47.40 | mickeyl | ah |
| 23:47.42 | mickeyl | nice |
| 23:47.42 | ljp | for uni |
| 23:47.50 | mickeyl | pester him to do some more OSS work if you meet him |
| 23:47.52 | mickeyl | ah well |
| 23:47.56 | mickeyl | oslo != brisbane, i know |
| 23:48.09 | ljp | we have internal irc I can ping him on |
| 23:48.20 | mickeyl | treke: konq/e has made good progress but moved to Qt3 in HEAD |
| 23:48.27 | mickeyl | which is what we all should do... |
| 23:48.39 | dan2003 | qt3 is compat with opie? |
| 23:48.42 | mickeyl | but then again... ljp, did you ask for qt4 timeframe? |
| 23:48.43 | ljp | qte3 is a joke |
| 23:48.54 | treke | mickeyl: wonder how much work a backport would be |
| 23:48.56 | mickeyl | dan2003: theoretically yes. it has been ported in the past |
| 23:49.19 | ljp | there _is_ a reason why qtopia hasnt moved to qte3 |
| 23:49.32 | ljp | lemme find that email on qt4 |
| 23:50.11 | treke | mickeyl: I remember looking through the qt3 docs and it didnt look like that much had really changed between the two, so maybe konqe/3 could be backported sanely |
| 23:50.13 | dan2003 | ahh, there some things i like about it, for exmaple in qt2 i cant seem to find any easy way of chnaging a text fg colour without cretating palettes and all kinds of stuff, in qt3 can just setForgorunColor |
| 23:50.55 | mickeyl | treke|home: well... that depends if you want to deal with all the small API changes and additions. i know they're not big but you end up touching a lot of stuff which would annoy me (personally). |
| 23:51.00 | treke | yeah |
| 23:51.07 | treke | wonder if it would be worth it |
| 23:51.23 | treke | oh well. requires time I'm not interested in spending :) |
| 23:52.56 | mickeyl | that's it :) |
| 23:58.30 | darkschneider | stupid Z.. again usb become wireless.. it happend every time i reboot it when attached to the craddle |
| 23:59.00 | darkschneider | and naturaly it crash hard.. |
| 23:59.53 | W8TVI | wireless! |
