| 00:01.43 | dan2003 | launcher is now on that list too!, something is weird with my system cos it builds fine for the x86 emb version |
| 00:02.09 | dan2003 | wher eit must pick them up from the system libs |
| 00:03.13 | dan2003 | i think i know what, shoul i have them in the lib dir of gcccross? ie the one being used? there in 2.95.3 but im building opie with 3.3.2 |
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| 00:06.24 | dan2003 | hmm, made no diff |
| 00:07.01 | dan2003 | i'll be elite one day |
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| 00:07.54 | treke | evening your chewiness |
| 00:08.54 | masticator | evening |
| 00:09.20 | masticator | I am a happy man, I have now embraceed the ways of debian |
| 00:10.03 | treke | You liking it? |
| 00:10.16 | masticator | well, I am actually using Xandros 2 |
| 00:10.22 | masticator | which is sarge with tweaks |
| 00:10.31 | masticator | yes, i like |
| 00:10.54 | masticator | its great |
| 00:11.05 | masticator | any idiot can install it and it has everything you want from debian |
| 00:11.39 | treke | yeah, that's great |
| 00:12.24 | masticator | it has a cool gui front end to apt |
| 00:12.48 | masticator | plus major tweaks to kde |
| 00:16.15 | treke | I dont think I've ever managed to pay my bills without havint to look up my user name and password at every fricken site |
| 00:17.50 | ljp | use the same ones |
| 00:17.56 | treke | they wont let me |
| 00:17.58 | ljp | :) |
| 00:18.07 | ljp | bastards |
| 00:22.02 | treke | they make it too hard for me to give them money |
| 00:22.55 | pb_ | a likely story. |
| 00:23.37 | treke | what really chaps my balls are the processing fees for payments |
| 00:24.54 | treke | whether I pay online, by phone, or by mail, they charge me for the pleasure of cashing my check. The bastards. |
| 00:25.25 | ljp | in australia, its cheaper to do direct debit, most places dont charge processing fees fo rit |
| 00:25.36 | ljp | or, rather, dont seem too |
| 00:26.43 | ljp | like my bank charges less for purchases electronically, then if I went up to thje window, and withdraw cash |
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| 00:43.53 | dan2003 | american banks are con merchants tho, they started bringing there cash machines over here, and putting in the plaace of our own in the spots like outdie nightclubs etc, and they charge to withdraw cash, noone else does |
| 00:44.02 | dan2003 | over here == uk |
| 00:44.47 | treke | not really that strange. Most banks in the US charge for withdrawals unless you use your banks atm |
| 00:45.08 | dan2003 | they must pay the lease holders of the place they install them more cos they are replacing existing free ones |
| 00:45.45 | dan2003 | over here no bank charges any1 to withdraw from any machine |
| 00:45.50 | treke | usually there would be two charges |
| 00:45.58 | treke | one charge from the owner of the machine and one from your bank |
| 00:46.59 | dan2003 | except citybank, why should u be charged for yt money? they make enough form our money anyway, where does it go in the three-six days it take for a transfer? they busy using it to make interest |
| 00:47.24 | dan2003 | anyway, way off topic |
| 00:47.42 | treke | because they are charging you for the convenience |
| 00:47.54 | treke | you can get it for free when you go to your bank for it |
| 00:48.34 | dan2003 | hmm.... |
| 00:50.49 | ljp | start your own ATM |
| 00:50.58 | ljp | I heard its rather easy |
| 00:51.46 | dan2003 | no need to at the mo, ours are curently all free.. except for a few citybank, if they start replacing anymore of our free machines there wll be a revolt im sure |
| 00:51.47 | treke | how many yeah but then you still have to pay the bank to get the money |
| 00:52.25 | treke | there are some banks that don't charge though |
| 00:54.07 | dan2003 | some idiotic firm started building atms powered by M$ XP, and guess what, it got infected with soem worm and was apparently logging peoples pin numbers and account details, whetehr this is true or not i do not know, but u probably heard all this anyway |
| 00:56.04 | dan2003 | http://windowsfordevices.com/news/NS6438545389.html |
| 00:57.16 | dan2003 | hmm, that actually a different report to the one i had seen |
| 00:59.02 | dan2003 | hohoho |
| 00:59.03 | dan2003 | "They have been asking us to ship ATMs with Windows because of the graphics capabilities. They want a common look between the ATMs and Web-banking sites," he said. "Another advantage is they are familiar with Windows." |
| 00:59.49 | ljp | then they should know better |
| 01:00.25 | dan2003 | i cant beleive that poeple like this can be put in charge of out money! farsicle |
| 01:04.09 | mickeyl | g'night all |
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| 03:30.26 | chouimat | nite |
| 03:34.04 | treke|home | man libdb2 is a convoluted build |
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| 05:41.53 | enginuitor | Hmm... opie-keypebble keeps crashing |
| 05:42.06 | enginuitor | Mostly on click-and-drag |
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| 11:01.45 | Twiun | good morning |
| 11:02.36 | pb_ | Twiun: good morning |
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| 14:15.25 | chouimat | morning |
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| 18:12.21 | Pendalar | got a lot of dependency virtual/libc unsatisfied errors though |
| 18:12.28 | kergoth | uh |
| 18:12.31 | kergoth | glibc provides virtual/libc. |
| 18:12.41 | Pendalar | yep |
| 18:12.49 | Pendalar | which built.. |
| 18:12.49 | kergoth | odd |
| 18:13.03 | Pendalar | unless the order was blown? dunno probably doesn't matter now |
| 18:13.17 | kergoth | i built both qte versions last week, couldnt reproduce a failure |
| 18:13.30 | Pendalar | cool |
| 18:13.46 | Pendalar | guess I could start it building before I return to the hospital |
| 18:13.51 | Pendalar | I so need a laptop again |
| 18:13.59 | kergoth | and scew is known fixed, as is glib-2.0 as of about 15 minutes ago |
| 18:14.18 | kergoth | any -native failure is something missing in the x86 dev environment.. wonder why your freetype-native failed |
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| 18:15.16 | Pendalar | scew you fixed after the first time I reported to you, but it still failed with me afterwords.. apparently a different problem |
| 18:15.26 | kergoth | hmmmk |
| 18:15.43 | Pendalar | but we'll see in a new build =-) telling you this more or less wastes your time |
| 18:15.45 | kergoth | cool |
| 18:16.00 | Pendalar | although that day when it tried to build qte I noticed it was using a lot of native headers.. |
| 18:16.09 | Pendalar | but it wasn't qte-native... I found that odd |
| 18:16.16 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm bored |
| 18:16.19 | TheMasterMind1 | want me to do a full build? |
| 18:16.22 | kergoth | qte builds an x86 moc binary |
| 18:16.25 | kergoth | that it uses for the rest |
| 18:16.29 | Pendalar | ah |
| 18:16.31 | Disconnect | TheMasterMind1: find out what kergoth planned to do with that keyboard array and do it for him ;) |
| 18:16.37 | Pendalar | ok as long as it's "normal" ;-) |
| 18:16.44 | kergoth | yeah, it is |
| 18:18.20 | Pendalar | random "features" which will provide much entertainment |
| 18:19.39 | Disconnect | prolly. still working through "install everything to sd that won't break the system or prevent sd from being unmounted".. (step 1: install most everything to sd. step 2: fuser -m /mnt/card and check /proc/pid/maps and such, moving apps back until its unmountable..) |
| 18:19.58 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: so what needs to be done with the keyboard array |
| 18:20.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the keyboard handler needs to be modified to use this array as its map of kernel transformed keycode -> qte keysym, instead of hte old qte "KeyMap" one |
| 18:21.21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: this array needs 1) sorting, and 2) a search function to locate the keycode we need |
| 18:21.38 | kergoth | not much to it really |
| 18:22.25 | Pendalar | so are we nearing an official kernel building time with the new files since I've been gone? |
| 18:22.42 | kergoth | Pendalar: treke pushed a Z kernel .oe into the repos |
| 18:23.00 | Pendalar | right |
| 18:23.15 | Pendalar | I know there's been efforts, wondered if that was an 'offical' one |
| 18:23.31 | Pendalar | sorry I'm out of the loop |
| 18:23.36 | kergoth | uh, until we release, "official" doesnt exist |
| 18:23.48 | kergoth | there's whats in the repos and works, whats in the repos and doesnt, and shit that isnt in the repos |
| 18:23.52 | kergoth | thats about it |
| 18:24.24 | Pendalar | I have much slashdot to read as well.. *sigh* |
| 18:24.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:26.31 | TheMasterMind1 | i have everything on my centrino laptop working except the sd card reader... well, and tv out.. and the radeon fb has some issues, and suspend/acpi doesn't work.. but wifi and modem works! |
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| 18:26.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:26.57 | gawel | heh |
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| 18:27.14 | gawel | sounds like getting my amd hp laptop |
| 18:29.59 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, i dont' think i tested suspend since i installed 2.6.0 release |
| 18:30.02 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe it works now.. |
| 18:30.28 | kergoth | heh, i'm still on 2.4.22-ck1. should play with 2.6.0 more |
| 18:30.31 | TheMasterMind1 | cp: will not create hard link `/oe/packages/tmp/staging/cross/arm-linux/sys-include/asm/proc' to directory `/oe/packages/tmp/staging/cross/arm-linux/sys-include/asm/proc-armv' |
| 18:30.31 | TheMasterMind1 | cp: will not create hard link `/oe/packages/tmp/staging/cross/arm-linux/sys-include/asm/arch' to directory `/oe/packages/tmp/staging/cross/arm-linux/sys-include/asm/arch-ebsa285' |
| 18:30.47 | TheMasterMind1 | ERROR: package glibc-initial-2.3.2-r0: task do_stage failed |
| 18:31.01 | kergoth | arch-ebsa285? |
| 18:31.04 | kergoth | wtf |
| 18:31.07 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 18:31.19 | kergoth | those should be symlinks, not hard links |
| 18:32.09 | kergoth | export OEMASK="binutils|uclibc|avr-libc|gcc|glibc-initial" |
| 18:32.19 | kergoth | export OEFILES=`ls */*.oe|grep -E -v "$OEMASK"` |
| 18:32.21 | kergoth | oemake -a |
| 18:32.47 | Disconnect | gawel: firewire worked great for me (at least, a friend's ipod lit right up as a storage device) |
| 18:32.51 | Disconnect | and the ipod apps talked to it |
| 18:33.22 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 18:33.45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: right now we have basically two builds within one repos. theres a toolchain, and the rest. |
| 18:34.02 | TheMasterMind1 | gotcha |
| 18:34.05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: they dont play nice together, since the apps dont have the rigth deps to build a chain first, and theres no way to tell it easily *not* to build a chain |
| 18:35.57 | TheMasterMind1 | do i have to clean or something.. its still trying to build glibc-init |
| 18:36.11 | TheMasterMind1 | NOTE: package base/sip-native-3.8-r0: dependency qmake unsatisfied |
| 18:36.11 | TheMasterMind1 | NOTE: package base/gcc-uclibc-cross-3.3.2-r0: dependency virtual/arm-uclibc-linux-binutils unsatisfied |
| 18:38.19 | kergoth | eh? |
| 18:38.24 | kergoth | i told you to grep out glibc-initial |
| 18:38.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:38.28 | TheMasterMind1 | i did |
| 18:38.37 | kergoth | echo $OEFILES|grep glibc-initial |
| 18:38.59 | TheMasterMind1 | nothing |
| 18:39.37 | gawel | niiice. a cow-orker of mine just brought me 2 cases of guiness for helping him out over the weekend |
| 18:42.23 | Disconnect | any idea why its constantly doing unclean-unmounts of the sd? (even when properly ejected, booted with it inserted, etc) |
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| 18:59.51 | treke | you know sort of like the ipaq was 5 years ago |
| 18:59.58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:59.59 | Disconnect | yah. |
| 19:00.07 | kergoth | you'd think sharp could use a bootloader that can read from jffs2 |
| 19:00.10 | kergoth | there are enough of them |
| 19:00.22 | Disconnect | I was just gonna say, with enough motivation I'm sure someone would port bootldr. |
| 19:00.34 | kergoth | u-boot, blob, bootldr, LAB, whatever |
| 19:00.39 | treke | I've heard the c760 bootldr isnt writable |
| 19:00.45 | mickeyl|SDL | Bernardo: good to know. thanx |
| 19:00.54 | kergoth | treke: worst case we let their bootloader start ours |
| 19:01.00 | kergoth | drop ours at the kernel location |
| 19:01.32 | Disconnect | uhoh. pxa_sd_wait_response: responce CRC error (cmd=55 MMC_STAT=0x2160) .. lemme guess - that means it hates me? |
| 19:01.40 | Disconnect | kergoth: maybe LAB..? |
| 19:01.52 | mickeyl|SDL | what's the easiest command line for a string replace with sed or perl? |
| 19:01.57 | kergoth | LAB is what i want to push as the preferred bootloader for OE based distros |
| 19:02.11 | Disconnect | sed -e "s/escaped old string/escaped new string/" (with 'g' on the end to do it more than once per line) |
| 19:02.19 | mickeyl|SDL | Disconnect: thanks |
| 19:02.25 | Disconnect | eg sed -e "s/\/var\/log/\/var\/lock/g" |
| 19:02.29 | kergoth | ugh, i hate builds that use install -s |
| 19:02.43 | kergoth | we should build a arm-linux-install that calls arm-linux-strip |
| 19:02.45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:03.29 | TheMasterMind1 | whats debian's release policy? new releases are just testing pushed into stable right? |
| 19:04.35 | smashie | yea |
| 19:04.37 | smashie | tetsing gets frozen |
| 19:04.40 | dan2003 | another q, the howto form hh.org says to use this line to configure qte ./configure -qconfig qpe -depths 16,32 -xplatform linux-sharp-g++ -no-qvfb -system-jpeg -system-libpng -system-zlib -vnc -no-xft. note the system-jpeg,png and zlib, is this correct? |
| 19:04.57 | smashie | and then testing becomes stable |
| 19:05.04 | smashie | and the package maintainer release secupdates |
| 19:05.19 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 19:05.35 | kergoth | dan2003: yes |
| 19:05.44 | dan2003 | k |
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| 19:12.21 | treke | its wierd since it sounds like c7x0 has two boot loaders |
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| 19:13.43 | Disconnect | ok it looks like it might not be dirtying it automatically, but it is certainly not cleaning it either ;) |
| 19:17.10 | dan2003 | Disconnect: i had some errors along those lines, may mmc card had packed up :( |
| 19:17.46 | Disconnect | dan2003: worked fine on the desktop. restarting /etc/init.d/sd fixed it. |
| 19:17.56 | Disconnect | (why rebooting didn't fix it I don't know, but ohwell) |
| 19:19.31 | dan2003 | my card wouldnt work in anything afterwars :( |
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| 19:27.04 | Bernardo | I was just looking at fileviewer (http://community.zaurus.com/projects/qtopiax) anyone tried it with oz 3.3.6-pre1? |
| 19:28.30 | kergoth | heh, wonder why he started a new project rather than just working with Opie to redesign theirs |
| 19:29.12 | Bernardo | yep... I think that kind of functionality might be a alternative to the doc tab |
| 19:29.25 | treke | kergoth: He doesnt like how heavy opie is |
| 19:29.40 | kergoth | ah, well cant argue with him there |
| 19:29.47 | treke | I've spoken with him before, he was going to at least look into libopie for the pim stuff if it isnt too slow |
| 19:30.07 | treke | he wasnt adverse to merging it into opie at some point, but didnt think it was the right path for now |
| 19:30.31 | kergoth | well, once opie splits its sources, it wont be tough to say, do a build from OE with his launcher vs ours, or whatever |
| 19:30.40 | kergoth | so no biggie |
| 19:34.09 | ljp | kergoth: http://stono.cs.cofc.edu/~kantalad/index.html |
| 19:34.21 | treke | has the qtopiax guy gotten any further than his addressbook? |
| 19:35.08 | Bernardo | treke: apparently, a doc tab replacement/file viewer |
| 19:35.48 | kergoth | ljp: hah |
| 19:35.49 | chouimat | ljp: hehe |
| 19:35.58 | kergoth | how festive |
| 19:35.59 | ljp | cubical house |
| 19:37.06 | treke | that's cool |
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| 19:37.47 | treke | I like how he writes a doctab to run on top of opie instead of just a new opie launcher :) |
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| 19:44.20 | Soopaman | treke, i need your opinion on something |
| 19:45.06 | Soopaman | if i can't figure out how a computer maps it's devices, what is the chance of getting OE to run on it? |
| 19:45.26 | kergoth | "maps it's devices" |
| 19:45.27 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:45.45 | Soopaman | trying to figure out if i can port OE to my tivo |
| 19:46.01 | kergoth | if theres a linux kernel for a device, you can use OE on it |
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| 19:46.17 | Soopaman | but what if i don't know how it writes to the screen? |
| 19:46.21 | treke | why you would want to... |
| 19:46.21 | Soopaman | err draws |
| 19:46.33 | Bernardo | too bad toshiba doesn't give the specs to it's devices... the latest models sound cool. |
| 19:47.03 | Soopaman | treke, just for a few apps, i want to move all my simple tasks (email, surfing, billpayment etc) onto one device |
| 19:47.07 | benr | can anyone tell me what the best/recommended toolchain is for OZ? |
| 19:47.19 | kergoth | benr: openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ |
| 19:47.35 | benr | kergoth: excellent. |
| 19:48.12 | benr | kergoth: is it just me or is that link not on the website anywhere? |
| 19:48.17 | kergoth | it probably isnt |
| 19:48.17 | ljp | ya, there's a ton of hardware and chip makers *cough* that dont give up specs |
| 19:48.18 | treke | it's just you |
| 19:48.22 | kergoth | well, it should be in the faqs somewhere |
| 19:48.28 | treke | it's in the faqs |
| 19:48.41 | benr | treke: not on OZ's site....... |
| 19:48.45 | treke | it's in the faqs |
| 19:48.52 | treke | n the oz site |
| 19:49.18 | kergoth | first faq listed when i search for toolchain. |
| 19:49.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:50.23 | benr | does anyone actually build directly on the Zaurus? |
| 19:51.31 | Bernardo | well, with a few machines running distcc it might be possible... |
| 19:51.44 | kergoth | its possible regardless, just slow as hell |
| 19:51.52 | kergoth | and rather pointless in most cases |
| 19:51.59 | Bernardo|dinner | bbl |
| 19:52.00 | benr | I'd think just use NFS for some space and build aay. |
| 19:52.08 | benr | but I don't see autof00 around in packaged form. |
| 19:52.14 | benr | which makes me think it isn't common |
| 19:52.38 | treke | http://home.treke.net/~ggilbert/ |
| 19:52.47 | kergoth | benr: RAM is the big concern. |
| 19:52.50 | benr | sweeeeeeeeeet |
| 19:52.57 | kergoth | more so than storage, for compiling on the z |
| 19:53.09 | benr | kergoth: ah, true. |
| 19:53.31 | benr | found any "real" reason for building native? any speed pickups or anything? |
| 19:53.36 | benr | probly minor if at all. |
| 19:53.59 | benr | treke: ty. |
| 19:54.15 | treke | no reason it should be any faster nativly |
| 19:54.23 | treke | gcc is going to spit out the same code either way |
| 19:54.37 | benr | thats true.... |
| 19:54.43 | treke | it's just simpler to compile code nativly |
| 19:56.12 | benr | just out of curiousity, has anyone thought of bringing DirectFB to Zaurus? |
| 19:56.18 | benr | or iPaq for that matter. |
| 19:56.22 | kergoth | heh, we have directfb packages |
| 19:56.27 | kergoth | nothing that uses them though |
| 19:56.28 | Soopaman | DirectFB is pretty sweet |
| 19:56.33 | kergoth | although, you can build links 2.x to use it |
| 19:57.03 | benr | hmmmmm, I'll have to benchmark the two.. FB vs DFB. |
| 19:57.17 | benr | treke: it's pretty nice to write for. |
| 19:57.19 | treke | seemed like it was basically the same problem as people have with X just shifted around a bit |
| 19:57.40 | kergoth | i like jordan's idea, that we should have an interface like DRI, but for 2d acceleration |
| 19:57.49 | kergoth | (user<->kernel interface that is) |
| 19:58.09 | benr | looks like thats coming. :) |
| 19:58.24 | treke | isnt that like ggi? |
| 19:58.40 | benr | wow....... GGI is ollllllllld. |
| 19:59.03 | pb_ | so is treke. |
| 19:59.09 | benr | :) |
| 19:59.17 | treke | probably younger than you |
| 19:59.24 | pb_ | heh |
| 20:00.32 | treke | only 22 |
| 20:00.50 | pb_ | ah, then you're right. I'm 27. |
| 20:01.11 | benr | 27 is pretty old. |
| 20:01.15 | benr | death soon. :) |
| 20:01.15 | treke | yup |
| 20:01.30 | pb_ | yep, I think it's all downhill from here. |
| 20:01.33 | ljp | I'm 12 |
| 20:01.39 | benr | it's all downhill at 25. |
| 20:02.06 | pb_ | ljp: do years count backwards in Australia? |
| 20:02.11 | ljp | yes |
| 20:02.16 | pb_ | as I suspected |
| 20:02.28 | ljp | I have to walk on my hands also |
| 20:02.42 | ljp | otherwise, I'd fall up |
| 20:03.08 | pb_ | yeah, we wouldn't want that. |
| 20:03.44 | ljp | it's like I am in an alternate universe here |
| 20:04.14 | ljp | crocks still eat people |
| 20:04.22 | ljp | its hot at christmas |
| 20:04.39 | pb_ | yah, I was reading about some croc attack in the news this morning. |
| 20:04.45 | ljp | they drive on the wrong side of the road |
| 20:05.12 | ljp | that was a salt water croc, up a river father then they have ever been seen |
| 20:05.39 | pb_ | aha |
| 20:06.00 | ljp | one good reason not to go snorkelling in rivers and canals here |
| 20:07.28 | pb_ | mm. "Saltwater crocodiles are the world's largest reptiles and are aggressive and dangerous. About 100,000 live in tropical northern Australia." |
| 20:07.28 | ljp | I keep forgetting to work on pdaudio |
| 20:07.55 | ljp | thats why everone in .au lives in the south |
| 20:09.55 | NS-Home | no crocs |
| 20:10.18 | NS-Home | mis read that as why does |
| 20:25.08 | Disconnect | btw if anyone cares, you can hold down 'OK' at any of the 'rebooting' stages to get the menu (on 760 at least) |
| 20:25.15 | Disconnect | without having to pull battery again or anything |
| 20:27.22 | ljp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.35 | ljp | add that to the faq |
| 20:29.36 | Disconnect | (it slows down the reboot, since it scrolls the framebuffer.. but it works) |
| 21:02.51 | Bernardo | anyone compiled c-lit for the zaurus? |
| 21:06.34 | kergoth | c-lit? |
| 21:07.22 | Bernardo | to convert m$-reader files into a readable format |
| 21:07.30 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:08.00 | Bernardo | not the best choice for a name, but since m$-reader files have the extension .lit |
| 21:10.06 | kergoth | http://www.embedded.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=15306077 |
| 21:15.50 | Bernardo | the only point I have with that article is that a "high quality, high pixel density CCD for image collection" would not do much good without a decent (and somewhat bulky) optical lens. |
| 21:16.23 | kergoth | i agree with his opinion that a number of compact wirelessly connected devices would be spiffier |
| 21:16.40 | Bernardo | yes, the whole idea of the article sounds "logical" |
| 21:17.45 | Bernardo | if everything can be connected and controlled... |
| 21:34.52 | TheMasterMind1 | which ones better: gta3 or gta vice city |
| 21:49.50 | Disconnect | TheMasterMind1: I like both. gta3 is better for driving, vice city is better for non-driving. the driving in vice city is annoying. |
| 21:50.02 | Disconnect | (it was like they tried to make it more realistic on paper, but it comes out feeling less so) |
| 21:51.22 | Disconnect | anyway, time for me to go. gotta do semi-formal-casual-dress crap for the office party. (jeans, button down, etc.) and all that stuff is in the wash.. |
| 22:01.02 | ljp | we already had our office party.. lasted 4 days at the Mariott in Gold Coast |
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| 22:28.03 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 22:28.10 | ljp | hmmm |
| 22:28.37 | ljp | handhelds.org mail doesnt seem to be working |
| 22:28.46 | pb_ | oh dear |
| 22:29.57 | pb_ | mm, I just sent a mail to myself at handhelds.org, and it was delivered within a couple of seconds. |
| 22:31.07 | ljp | hmm |
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| 22:35.55 | ljp | well, I guess mine isn't working |
| 22:36.36 | pb_ | mysteries of qmail. |
| 22:37.03 | ljp | still uses .forward, correct? |
| 22:39.20 | pb_ | yah, I think so. |
| 22:39.52 | pb_ | @400000003fe8c25f16fbfad4 info msg 180506: bytes 1130 from <lpotter@trolltech.com> qp 9560 uid 400 |
| 22:39.52 | pb_ | @400000003fe8c25f1d1f21ac starting delivery 164102: msg 180506 to remote ljp@llornkcor.com |
| 22:39.52 | pb_ | @ |
| 22:39.58 | pb_ | @400000003fe8c2602135da9c delivery 164102: success: 216.71.12.88_accepted_message./Remote_host_said:_250_2.0.0_hBNMTHN10683_Message_accepted_for_delivery/ |
| 22:39.58 | pb_ | @ |
| 22:40.05 | pb_ | is that the kind of thing you were expecting? |
| 22:41.07 | Twiun | re |
| 22:41.27 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 22:41.28 | treke | what the fuck is up with my luck with cars |
| 22:41.35 | kergoth | treke: heh, whta happened? |
| 22:41.44 | ljp | well. sorta, except my .forward doesnt have that email addy |
| 22:41.47 | treke | got into an accident |
| 22:41.58 | kergoth | ack |
| 22:41.59 | pb_ | ljp: ah. there are some other qmail-specific things that can override it. |
| 22:42.02 | Pendalar | qte failes apparently because I have no stddef.h |
| 22:42.14 | Pendalar | interesting.. guess I'll have to pick that up or fix paths |
| 22:42.16 | pb_ | treke: hell. |
| 22:42.19 | ljp | pb_: can you change my email addy then? |
| 22:42.25 | treke | car in front of me stopped suddenly, I did also. |
| 22:42.36 | ljp | bummer |
| 22:42.38 | pb_ | ljp: yup. to your @trolltech address? |
| 22:42.42 | treke | just not as suddenly as I was trying for :) |
| 22:42.42 | kergoth | Pendalar: i have it in my chain, in /opt/cross/arm-linux/sys-include/linux/stddef.h |
| 22:42.43 | ljp | yes, please |
| 22:42.47 | Pendalar | /usr/include/linux/stddef.h ... wonder why it isn't finding it |
| 22:42.55 | Pendalar | kergoth: qte you said uses native to begin with |
| 22:42.58 | Pendalar | no? |
| 22:43.01 | kergoth | you didnt say what failed. |
| 22:43.09 | kergoth | if moc failed, its x86. if anything after that failed, its arm |
| 22:43.30 | Pendalar | it's right at the start, pre moc |
| 22:43.39 | Pendalar | odd it doesn't find the lib |
| 22:43.46 | Pendalar | er header |
| 22:43.52 | Pendalar | man I'm too stressed for this heh |
| 22:44.32 | pb_ | oh dear, that didn't work. |
| 22:44.34 | pb_ | let me try again |
| 22:44.37 | kergoth | what the hell, somehow the configure script for e2fsprogs-1.33 ends up read only |
| 22:44.42 | kergoth | unexecutable |
| 22:44.44 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:44.48 | ljp | treke: totaled? |
| 22:46.12 | chouimat | ljp: hi |
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| 22:47.19 | pb_ | ljp: right, looks like you're in business. |
| 22:47.37 | pb_ | ljp: for future reference, the place you need to change is the hidden (!) file /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-llornkcor |
| 22:48.05 | ljp | hmm. ok |
| 22:48.23 | pb_ | I think you should be able to use the admin.handhelds.org interface to do that, but it's broken at the moment. |
| 22:49.26 | kergoth | arg |
| 22:49.39 | kergoth | pb_: any idea what config.status --recheck actually checks, offhand? |
| 22:49.48 | kergoth | i'm sick of it trying to rerun autoconf when i just fucking ran autoconf |
| 22:50.01 | kergoth | grr |
| 22:50.10 | treke | ljp: no damage to mine |
| 22:50.14 | pb_ | kergoth: no, not really. I've always found that command to be fairly useless. |
| 22:50.18 | kergoth | heh, agreed |
| 22:50.41 | treke | ljp: her bumper now has a hole in it. The cost of the damage isnt the problem, it's having to deal with the insurance company and rate hikes |
| 22:51.14 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:51.15 | ljp | damn insurance companies |
| 22:52.35 | treke | mickeyl|SDL: ping |
| 22:54.23 | chouimat | ljp got the visa? |
| 22:54.42 | chouimat | kergoth: forwarded my email? |
| 22:56.15 | kergoth | chouimat: yep |
| 23:04.48 | kergoth | hmm |
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| 23:22.42 | treke | pos is an apt name |
| 23:23.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:23.22 | W8TVI | Do you want to accept "/root/Applications/addressboox/businesscard.vcf" |
| 23:23.35 | W8TVI | if I tell it no, it wont crash |
| 23:24.40 | W8TVI | Do you want to accept "/tmp/obex/contact.vcf" into Address? |
| 23:24.58 | W8TVI | [yes] |
| 23:24.58 | W8TVI | and it works |
| 23:25.08 | kergoth | damnit, i forgot to mask out the kernel |
| 23:26.31 | chouimat | kergoth: icecream rocks ... the scheduler is great (alpha quality but it work) |
| 23:27.06 | kergoth | chouimat: does it require a scheduler? |
| 23:27.17 | kergoth | one of the things i like about distcc is how *simple* it is to get going |
| 23:27.38 | W8TVI | ok, the long beam name is not the problem.... |
| 23:28.29 | W8TVI | Fatal Alert: AddressDB.c, Line:618, Empty field being added [reset] |
| 23:28.35 | chouimat | kergoth: yup but it's easier than distcc ... just start the scheduler and the client connect to without the need for you to give the scheduler adress, the scheduler broadcast it |
| 23:28.43 | kergoth | chouimat: oh nice |
| 23:29.05 | kergoth | thats sweet |
| 23:29.07 | chouimat | kergoth: and you don't need to give the hosts list |
| 23:29.11 | kergoth | so i could bring my laptop back and forth between work and home |
| 23:29.13 | chouimat | kergoth: like teambuilder |
| 23:29.16 | kergoth | and itll use the nearby build machine |
| 23:29.51 | chouimat | kergoth: theoricaly ... it's in kdenonbeta cvs module so it's alpha ... but it work it lack documentation :( |
| 23:29.57 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:30.03 | kergoth | ill have to play around |
| 23:30.09 | kergoth | does it work without a kde frontend? |
| 23:30.14 | kergoth | just cmdline |
| 23:30.43 | chouimat | kergoth: no kde frontend ... but it had a kde monitor |
| 23:30.49 | kergoth | ah, cool |
| 23:30.59 | chouimat | kergoth: it's a cli app like teambuilder and distcc |
| 23:31.19 | kergoth | sounds like it has a lot of potential |
| 23:31.48 | chouimat | kergoth: I think the author want to integrate ccache into it too |
| 23:32.13 | kergoth | thatd be good. ccache and distcc work wonderfully together |
| 23:32.24 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 23:32.24 | W8TVI | ADR;WORK: |
| 23:32.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:32.32 | W8TVI | I wonder if thats killing it |
| 23:32.43 | chouimat | kergoth: but i don't know if that will be at the client level or the scheduler one ... |
| 23:33.08 | W8TVI | theres nothing in that field... not even a space |
| 23:33.18 | W8TVI | just a CR |
| 23:33.18 | W8TVI | or LF |
| 23:33.57 | kergoth | chouimat: guess it depends on whether you want each machine to cache the objects for themselves, the scheduler to hold a global cache, or just a cache locally regardless of where the objects were compiled |
| 23:34.12 | kergoth | a global object cache would be pretty cool |
| 23:34.22 | chouimat | kergoth: yup ... |
| 23:34.22 | kergoth | though corrupting it would fuck not just you, but everyone buliding |
| 23:34.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:34.52 | chouimat | kergoth: lol |
| 23:35.11 | kergoth | thatd suck. some moron has a fucked up toolchain and all of sudden *my* builds start breaking |
| 23:35.13 | chouimat | kergoth: the essence of team work |
| 23:35.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:35.23 | kergoth | yeah, share problems too |
| 23:35.27 | W8TVI | who do a yell at for not having the app remove empty fields? |
| 23:36.04 | W8TVI | my tool chain is broken too, but I didnt do it! |
| 23:36.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:37.10 | W8TVI | so who do I yell at? |
| 23:37.23 | kergoth | "the app" |
| 23:37.26 | kergoth | what app? |
| 23:37.46 | W8TVI | address book |
| 23:37.54 | W8TVI | zaurus :) |
| 23:37.54 | W8TVI | opie |
| 23:37.56 | kergoth | did you email opie-devel, or ask in #opie? |
| 23:37.59 | kergoth | this isnt the place |
| 23:38.32 | W8TVI | no, why should I? I"m trying to out do george |
| 23:39.03 | chouimat | W8TVI: /kick is my frient btw :) |
| 23:39.42 | W8TVI | chouimat, come to #magnia and /kick will be my friend too :P |
| 23:54.22 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone have mplayer ipks i can use on 3.3.6? |
| 23:54.35 | kergoth | damnit, gdb and libetpan dont build |
| 23:54.43 | treke | hehe |
| 23:54.55 | kergoth | dsniff doesnt either, but thats due to a link ordering issue between libnids and libnet, easily fixed |
| 23:55.05 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 23:55.08 | treke | let me know when libetpan works again, I want to build opiemail3 and play with it |
| 23:55.12 | W8TVI | "UnEntropyHack makes all random numbers equal to 42." |
| 23:55.13 | treke | screenshots look sweet |
| 23:55.17 | kergoth | W8TVI: hah |
| 23:55.30 | W8TVI | for palm |
| 23:55.33 | kergoth | gawel: get anywhere with the uicmoc build? |
| 23:55.47 | W8TVI | I'm thinking about downloading it... |
| 23:58.35 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 23:58.57 | W8TVI | I still have 5.6mb free on my new Plam Vx... |