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| 00:19.17 | noda | Moo! |
| 00:22.40 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: sup |
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| 00:54.42 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Christmas is coming :) |
| 00:55.04 | chouimat | hey noda TheMasterMind1 |
| 00:56.16 | TheMasterMind1 | sup chouimat |
| 00:56.27 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: good call |
| 00:56.56 | noda | Heh, I love the Thunderbird junk filter. 280 messages in my Inbox --> 280 messages in my Spam folder :) |
| 00:57.13 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: nothing |
| 00:57.41 | ljp | sure doesnt feel like christmas here.. it's 27c here |
| 00:58.18 | noda | Heh. We're at 7 C... up from -18 or so. |
| 00:58.47 | chouimat | noda: -12C tonight here ... hopefull I will be drunk or in good company ;) |
| 00:59.08 | noda | heh |
| 00:59.19 | chouimat | ljp: it's my wildest dream ... having sex on a beach with a nice chick on christmas eve |
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| 01:00.12 | ljp | supposed to get up to 36c by tuesday |
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| 01:00.49 | ljp | err 32c |
| 01:00.52 | noda | chouimat: That'd be COLD! |
| 01:01.08 | ljp | noda: its very possible here |
| 01:01.10 | Soopaman | anyone remember the url for raw write (the windows and linux versions) |
| 01:01.10 | chouimat | noda: i know it's why it's only a dream |
| 01:01.17 | noda | ljp: Where are you? :) |
| 01:01.20 | noda | chouimat: lol |
| 01:01.25 | ljp | brisbane, australia |
| 01:01.27 | chouimat | noda: he's in aussieland |
| 01:01.35 | noda | Soopaman: http://www.google.ca/search?q=rawrite&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 01:01.50 | noda | Oh :) |
| 01:01.52 | Soopaman | ahhhh, i was using "raw write" |
| 01:01.58 | noda | :) |
| 01:02.02 | Soopaman | danka |
| 01:02.08 | noda | np |
| 01:02.32 | Soopaman | toms bootdiskette? :P |
| 01:02.38 | noda | spark: Is it just me, or is Opera getting more and more... impossible to understand? |
| 01:02.52 | Soopaman | n/m |
| 01:02.53 | Soopaman | heheheh |
| 01:03.00 | noda | Whoops, wrong channel :) |
| 01:03.33 | ljp | opera web browser? or opera singing |
| 01:03.47 | dan2003 | why would my process segfault when i try to pthread_mutex_lock(&mutex) from within my thread ? |
| 01:04.27 | dan2003 | i create both the mutex and then the thread in the constructor of a QWidget |
| 01:05.22 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.22 | chouimat | [20:04:49] <Verwilst> fredrikh: qt-copy = qt 3.3? jaj! |
| 01:05.51 | noda | ljp: The web browser :) |
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| 01:15.28 | Pixel_ | Oh worthy kernal hackers! how does a humble user (like me) format an sd card ? ( btw sorry to ask here, but it was all quit in #openzaurus |
| 01:17.00 | noda | mke2fs /dev/mmcda1 |
| 01:17.56 | Pixel_ | whee |
| 01:18.00 | Pixel_ | umount first ? |
| 01:19.42 | noda | Nope |
| 01:19.44 | noda | Erm, yep |
| 01:20.08 | Pixel_ | (duh= |
| 01:20.10 | Pixel_ | thx |
| 01:20.15 | Pixel_ | k thx bye |
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| 01:39.32 | ljp_z | hmmm |
| 01:59.24 | treke|home | hehe, so i figured a 4x burner would do a full dvd in maybe an hour or so |
| 01:59.32 | treke|home | turns out it's more like 20 minutes :) W00t |
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| 02:32.05 | enginuitor | Has anybody tried Gaim on OZ3.3.6? |
| 02:32.53 | enginuitor | Ooooh never mind... it didn't crash this time!! |
| 02:33.58 | Pendalar | please just hound people in #zaurus |
| 02:34.09 | Pendalar | we'll read your babble there, promise |
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| 02:36.29 | enginuitor | lol, okay... |
| 02:37.37 | Pendalar | by IRC ethics, it's pretty rude to paste the same stuff in multi channels, especially if you look in the nick list most are in the same #zaurus/#openzaurus/#opembedded/#opie/etc channels |
| 02:37.58 | enginuitor | I see |
| 02:38.15 | enginuitor | Uh-oh, here comes the suicidal phrase... |
| 02:38.17 | enginuitor | I am a n00b |
| 02:38.48 | Pendalar | that's generally not wise to say in linux channels period ;-) |
| 02:38.59 | enginuitor | Yep, I know |
| 02:39.03 | Pendalar | but it's better than faking you know things you don't |
| 02:39.42 | enginuitor | I know certain people who think they're uber-hackers because they can ping people |
| 02:40.01 | enginuitor | So I know what you mean :) |
| 02:40.57 | enginuitor | There is one person in my CCNA class... |
| 02:41.14 | Pendalar | that's not a 'hacker' that's a packet kiddy |
| 02:41.19 | enginuitor | lol |
| 02:41.23 | Pendalar | any retard with a fat pipe can DoS |
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| 04:04.15 | SoopaTRON | yahoo111 |
| 04:04.21 | SoopaTRON | finally made it back to linux |
| 04:04.30 | SoopaTRON | all thanks to toms linux boot disk |
| 04:06.04 | SoopaTRON | where is the buildroot located now? |
| 04:06.14 | treke|home | same place it's always been |
| 04:11.26 | Captain-Obvious | hey treke |
| 04:11.35 | treke|home | you Captain-Obvious |
| 04:11.51 | Captain-Obvious | lol |
| 04:11.55 | Captain-Obvious | more fun |
| 04:12.05 | treke|home | debian cds in 3 minutes |
| 04:12.11 | Captain-Obvious | cool |
| 04:12.15 | Captain-Obvious | DVD-R? |
| 04:12.18 | Captain-Obvious | or +r |
| 04:12.32 | treke|home | -r +r -rw +rw and CD-rw |
| 04:12.49 | Captain-Obvious | bet it wasnt cheap |
| 04:13.04 | treke|home | it was |
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| 04:20.37 | treke|home | Captain-Obvious: 150 or so |
| 04:20.44 | Captain-Obvious | cool |
| 04:21.08 | Captain-Obvious | where was this from? local or online? |
| 04:21.16 | treke|home | local. |
| 04:21.21 | Captain-Obvious | ah |
| 04:21.27 | treke|home | was out doing some christmas shopping and just picked it up off a shelf |
| 04:21.29 | SoopaTRON | treke, was it that new aopen one? |
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| 04:21.36 | treke|home | SoopaTRON: nope. No name :) |
| 04:21.41 | SoopaTRON | cool |
| 04:21.50 | Captain-Obvious | our sams club has a DVD-RW drive for $130 |
| 04:21.51 | SoopaTRON | what is it's max speed? |
| 04:22.17 | treke|home | 4x for dvd+ r and rw, 4x for dvd-r and 2x for -rw |
| 04:22.36 | treke|home | which as I learned earlier is fricken fast. I burned my 2gig of oggs in about 15 minutes |
| 04:22.51 | SoopaTRON | nice |
| 04:23.21 | treke|home | yum. |
| 04:23.41 | mithro | which as treke|home said is very fast - takes about ~15 minutes to burn a complete 4.7gig |
| 04:23.56 | treke|home | mithro: I had been expecting an hour or so for 2 gig :) |
| 04:24.36 | treke|home | if not more. Was thinking it was talking about the same speed as a cdrw |
| 04:25.23 | mithro | it's kinda slow at burning CD R's though |
| 04:25.32 | mithro | only equiv of a 16x CD Burner |
| 04:26.06 | treke|home | I can live with 3 minute CDRs :p |
| 04:28.06 | treke|home | anyone done a build of opie mail3 lately? |
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| 04:33.51 | belracu | i suspect some memory leaks when i use uclibc version 0.9.x |
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| 04:35.03 | belracu | is there any channel specfic to mips ... arch |
| 04:36.01 | treke|home | no idea |
| 04:36.03 | cyn_ | http://free.inkfrog.com/pix/toloco/hawking.jpg |
| 04:36.38 | belracu | well thats the Physics dude |
| 04:36.47 | belracu | so whats about him ... |
| 04:36.57 | cyn_ | . |
| 04:37.38 | gawel | ERROR: Fetch failed: glib-2.1.3.tar.bz2 |
| 04:37.39 | cyn_ | your observational skills are sub-par |
| 04:37.40 | gawel | hmmm |
| 04:37.48 | belracu | hehe ... me to a physics scholor ... but had to leave cuuse not getting a job |
| 04:38.14 | belracu | well you meen the stupid ... thing |
| 04:38.20 | belracu | lolz |
| 04:38.32 | cyn_ | ya it's photoshop hilarity |
| 04:38.43 | cyn_ | like the first one I've seen that doesn't make reference to his ailment |
| 04:38.55 | belracu | humm |
| 04:38.58 | belracu | talk about gimo |
| 04:39.01 | belracu | gimp |
| 04:39.11 | belracu | no idea of photoshop thoug its famous |
| 04:39.13 | belracu | :) |
| 04:39.15 | treke|home | cyn_: hehe. I like that :) |
| 04:39.31 | cyn_ | treke|home: ya thought it would find appreciation here |
| 04:41.14 | SoopaTRON | treke, where can i grab the newer build root? |
| 04:41.27 | SoopaTRON | can only find the old one |
| 04:41.44 | belracu | hummm well i am sure hawkins will not appreciate a computer as its a classical device .. may be he things a quantum computer will be better on |
| 04:44.46 | belracu | 5 to 10 years .. dono what will happen if quantum computers are in to use .... |
| 04:50.45 | gawel | can anyone build glib-2.1.3? |
| 04:51.41 | belracu | gawel: rtfm |
| 04:51.42 | treke|home | other than kergoth? :p |
| 04:52.01 | gawel | bel: uh? |
| 04:52.28 | belracu | me hehe i am on a time machine |
| 04:52.31 | belracu | :P |
| 04:52.47 | treke|home | gawel: It might not be buildable |
| 04:53.15 | gawel | treke: dang. i was hoping to build gtk+ |
| 04:53.29 | belracu | gawel: where do you want to build it |
| 04:53.47 | treke|home | gawel: Let me try, but I have nothing but a kernel built so it will take a while |
| 04:54.08 | treke|home | belracu: Since we are in #openembedded, it would be very likely that he wants to build the oe package for it. |
| 04:54.18 | gawel | bel: uh i'm on #openembedded, then, uh, under oe? buildroot does not have glib-2.x |
| 04:54.26 | treke|home | gawel: yes it does |
| 04:54.38 | belracu | k ;) |
| 04:54.42 | treke|home | gawel: packages/glib2 :p |
| 04:54.51 | gawel | oh, my bad 8> |
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| 04:57.48 | treke|home | ok. build started, check back in a couple of hours |
| 04:58.25 | treke|home | and it's already failed to build autoconf :p |
| 04:58.41 | gawel | ok, then i'm not loosing my mind |
| 04:59.02 | treke|home | vis it autoconf-native that failed for you? |
| 04:59.57 | mithro | anyone here know where to get cfdisk for redhat? |
| 05:00.43 | gawel | in autoheader i got a few warnings. automake bombed |
| 05:00.52 | treke|home | gawel: no, building autoconf |
| 05:01.02 | treke|home | mithro: rpmfind.net |
| 05:01.42 | mithro | tried that - it couldn't find anything |
| 05:02.02 | treke|home | gawel: nm. apparently it didnt like gcc 2.95 |
| 05:03.07 | gawel | oh. you build it with x gcc2.95? |
| 05:04.15 | gawel | hmmm. buildroot has glib-2.2.0. is there a reason why kergoth chose glib 2.1.3? |
| 05:06.34 | treke|home | gawel: Listen to what I'm saying |
| 05:06.43 | treke|home | I HAVE JUST STARTED MY BUILD |
| 05:06.50 | gawel | ok |
| 05:07.22 | gawel | sorry, i thought you said that glib failed autoconf part |
| 05:07.37 | treke|home | I am using a 3.3.2 for arm toolchain |
| 05:07.48 | gawel | ok |
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| 05:10.10 | gb2 | go go gadget latency |
| 05:10.21 | gb2 | man, using my cell phone as an internet connection can be painful |
| 05:12.34 | treke|home | hehe |
| 05:14.46 | Captain-Obvious | gb2: dialup is even more sucky |
| 05:15.02 | enginuitor | unless you're doing dialup over an analog cellphone |
| 05:15.07 | Captain-Obvious | go go gadget sucky slow dialup |
| 05:15.07 | enginuitor | My dad used to do that |
| 05:15.23 | enginuitor | He had an old 2lb cell phone |
| 05:15.31 | enginuitor | And a card modem he hooked to it |
| 05:15.56 | enginuitor | When we were on camping trips, every night we would drive around to find a parking lot where he could get a connection |
| 05:16.11 | enginuitor | Then he'd spend about half an hour trying to get his email to download |
| 05:16.16 | Captain-Obvious | treke: we got a live one in #magnia |
| 05:16.35 | Captain-Obvious | join up |
| 05:16.39 | Captain-Obvious | might need help |
| 05:17.10 | Captain-Obvious | enginuitor: was talking to treke |
| 05:17.14 | Captain-Obvious | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.22 | Captain-Obvious | but your welcome too |
| 05:17.26 | treke|home | accck. christmash shopping plans ruined :) |
| 05:17.31 | Captain-Obvious | :( |
| 05:17.49 | treke|home | apparently my grandmother doesnt need any more chocolate :) |
| 05:21.04 | ljp | what a bitch |
| 05:21.20 | treke|home | yeah, not like she needs her teeth any more |
| 05:21.46 | ljp | who can think of christmas when its soo frickin hot |
| 05:25.39 | gb2 | Captain-Obvious: i've got 300-600ms to the other end of the ppp link, this is a sprint cell phone, so it's cdma2000 1x |
| 05:25.58 | Captain-Obvious | fun |
| 05:26.09 | gb2 | i guess back when i had dialup it was actually worse than this |
| 05:26.22 | gawel | well what else do you expect for air interface? 8> especially with lucent equipment |
| 05:26.30 | Captain-Obvious | I normaly get ~300ms lag |
| 05:26.37 | Captain-Obvious | some times less |
| 05:26.49 | gb2 | CO: on dialup? |
| 05:27.20 | gb2 | gawel: 300ms is typical of cdma data |
| 05:28.08 | gawel | gb: usually true. depends on a vendor though. |
| 05:29.00 | mithro | ljp: whats the temp now? |
| 05:29.04 | ljp | hot |
| 05:29.28 | ljp | I should get a thermometer outside my window |
| 05:29.34 | gb2 | gawel: reading through the cdma2000 specs, 300ms seems reasonable |
| 05:29.42 | ljp | yahoo says its 28c |
| 05:30.09 | gawel | gb: you read cdma2000 spec? yikes |
| 05:30.24 | ljp | I need AC here |
| 05:30.41 | mithro | 28c!? |
| 05:31.01 | mithro | they say we shouldn't put out aircons below 25c here |
| 05:31.03 | treke|home | gawel: what can I say, he's rather twisted |
| 05:31.40 | ljp | thats crazy |
| 05:31.41 | gawel | gb: over the air interface for rbs-es is where you get hit latency wise in cdma. of course other aspect come into play such as colocation of your bsc and pdsn and such. i've caused close to 1000ms delay on a 1x cdma carrier 8> |
| 05:31.56 | ljp | ya, anything over 25 is too warm for me |
| 05:32.52 | gawel | treke: cdma2000 spec is oh, about 2000+ pages thick. i admire that. seriously. it's a tough read 8> |
| 05:34.22 | mithro | because it wastes to much electricity |
| 05:34.52 | mithro | through Janurary/Feburary we have power that makes California looks like heaven :( |
| 05:35.03 | ljp | :) |
| 05:36.06 | enginuitor | Gotta reboot... brb... |
| 05:36.49 | mithro | lousy private power |
| 05:36.51 | gb2 | gawel: i work in telecommunication |
| 05:37.24 | gb2 | gawel: www.vanu.com |
| 05:37.29 | gb2 | that's my employeer |
| 05:37.32 | gawel | gb: i'm not sure if i should be saying congratulations or 'i'm sorry' 8> |
| 05:37.52 | gb2 | gawel: well, i write device drivers mostly |
| 05:38.40 | ljp | ibot: weather ybbn |
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| 05:38.59 | gawel | gb: i'm kinda in a similar boat. i break cdma 1x and evdo equipment for living. |
| 05:39.18 | gawel | oh neat |
| 05:39.24 | gawel | ibot: weather kbjc |
| 05:39.32 | gb2 | gawel: who do you work for? |
| 05:39.37 | gawel | gb: ericsson |
| 05:39.40 | gb2 | ah |
| 05:39.47 | gawel | vanu webpage is borked |
| 05:39.49 | mithro | ibot: weather ypad |
| 05:39.51 | gb2 | it is? |
| 05:39.53 | gb2 | hrm |
| 05:39.59 | gawel | gb: what do you guys do? |
| 05:40.15 | gb2 | gawel: software radio |
| 05:40.23 | gb2 | our webpage loads fine here it seems |
| 05:40.25 | ljp | hey. I'm from around kbjc! |
| 05:40.27 | gb2 | what error are you getting? |
| 05:40.47 | ljp | 12.. thats sounds like heaven |
| 05:41.18 | gawel | ljp: no kidding 8> it's frigging hot in here |
| 05:41.28 | gawel | (relatively speaking of course) |
| 05:42.50 | gb2 | gawel: yeah, the webpage seems to work ok from here, except loading images sucks over the cellphone :P |
| 05:43.26 | gawel | gb: yeah. it works when i browse there by ip |
| 05:43.42 | gb2 | gawel: odd. is your dns screwed up? |
| 05:44.07 | gawel | yeah |
| 05:44.41 | gawel | gb: ewwww. you actually have a picture of your ceo with satan, uh, i mean michael powell? |
| 05:44.50 | gawel | s/picture/picture on your website/ |
| 05:44.56 | gb2 | heh |
| 05:45.11 | gb2 | there's actually a picture of me on there too |
| 05:45.29 | gb2 | not in the same photo though |
| 05:45.49 | gawel | handheld interoperability stuff looks interesting |
| 05:46.09 | gawel | gb: liar ;> http://64.221.90.227/handheld.html |
| 05:46.26 | gb2 | liar? |
| 05:47.05 | gb2 | i'm not in that photo :P |
| 05:47.27 | ljp | me either |
| 05:47.40 | gb2 | if you browse in the comany/people area of the website, there's a purple photo of some employees, i'm one of the ones in that photo |
| 05:48.07 | gb2 | gawel: software radio has very complex regulatory issues |
| 05:49.12 | gb2 | lol |
| 05:49.12 | gawel | hehehe |
| 05:49.55 | gb2 | a friend of mine ended up meeting an irc/hacker girl at a party a few months ago, he was convinced she was a guy till he met her |
| 05:50.06 | gawel | heh |
| 05:50.09 | gb2 | his assumption is that everyone on irc is a 50yo guy with no pants |
| 05:50.17 | gb2 | he figures this is a safe assumption |
| 05:50.34 | gawel | my workplace is kinda similar. 170 souls, *1* good looking single gal |
| 05:50.55 | gawel | i think total of 5 women |
| 05:51.01 | ljp | we just got an office administrator thats a bit distracting |
| 05:51.18 | gb2 | we have 30-ish employees, 7 women |
| 05:51.26 | gb2 | 2 of those women are engineers |
| 05:52.02 | gb2 | i'm not sure if there is anyone who is really single |
| 05:54.02 | gawel | gb: i like that you guys do things based on linux... |
| 05:54.05 | gb2 | oh, another interesting "feature" with sprint's connections.. they transparently proxy web connections |
| 05:54.24 | gb2 | they drop jpeg quality down really low |
| 05:54.28 | gb2 | so images look like crap :P |
| 05:55.05 | gawel | i'm half way tempted to try out verizon or sprint's 1x networks |
| 05:55.11 | gb2 | gawel: our software is POSIX compliant, so it ought to work on most OSes with little changes. |
| 05:55.56 | gb2 | gawel: most of my work centers around the I/O cards we use |
| 05:56.10 | gb2 | driver work |
| 05:56.23 | gb2 | gawel: sprint's is fairly cheap if you don't abuse it |
| 05:56.34 | gawel | have you written any evdo drivers? |
| 05:56.40 | gawel | (for linux that is) |
| 05:56.56 | gb2 | gawel: my phone has "unlimited vision" which supposedly applies only to the minibrowser |
| 05:57.13 | gb2 | but i use a usb cable and it spits out ppp to the computer |
| 05:57.17 | Captain-Obvious | unlimited limited |
| 05:57.31 | gb2 | gawel: the drivers i do are for general up/down converter cards |
| 05:57.38 | gawel | ah |
| 05:57.42 | gb2 | gawel: all the mod/demod stuff is in software |
| 05:57.50 | gb2 | the hardware just gives you samples |
| 05:58.24 | gb2 | you could think of it as sorta like a softmodem on steroids |
| 05:58.43 | gb2 | means the same hardware can do any standard |
| 05:59.07 | gawel | gb: hopefully without too much of bloat 8> |
| 05:59.25 | gb2 | it's fairly light weight |
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| 06:01.27 | gb2 | gawel: if you're interested in GNU stuff along the same lines, google for "GNU radio" |
| 06:01.39 | gawel | the bss network management tool we used was bunch of tcl/tk scripts with hp ov. all of install on ancient hw took maybe 4 hours. now on a fully speced v880, with all the middleware tools that allow managing of cdma, gsm, wcdma networks, the bss management software install takes oh, about 2 days (automatized installed etc) |
| 06:02.07 | mithro | gb2: you do any work on gnu radio? |
| 06:02.32 | gb2 | mithro: no. i work for a company doing it commercially though |
| 06:02.48 | gb2 | mithro: so my nda probably prohibits me from working on gnu radio |
| 06:03.02 | mithro | i have to admit i don't understand half what those people say however :) |
| 06:03.17 | gb2 | heh |
| 06:03.43 | gb2 | gnu radio and vanu, inc. both spun off from the same MIT project |
| 06:04.20 | gawel | gnu radio stuff is interesting... |
| 06:05.46 | gb2 | our software radio on an ipaq really tends to impress people |
| 06:06.07 | mithro | doesn't GNU radio also have a software radio on the ipaq? |
| 06:06.36 | gb2 | duno |
| 06:06.43 | gb2 | i think i would have heard about it though |
| 06:07.57 | gawel | heh, there is even a salon article about gnu radio http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/12/18/gnu_radio/ |
| 06:08.00 | gb2 | their webpage doesn't seem to mention anything about it |
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| 06:08.18 | gb2 | > GnuRadio runs on Linux machines. It's currently only tested on x86. It tends to like a lot of CPU speed because it does a lot of math. RAM is less important than CPU speed. |
| 06:09.22 | mithro | maybe it was you - but i remeber them point to something they had produced for a convention or something |
| 06:09.28 | mithro | was kinda big and chunky |
| 06:09.39 | gawel | "Contrary to what the cellphone operators were saying," Blossom says, "digital cellular phones could be easily intercepted by an adversary with the right equipment." |
| 06:09.42 | mithro | about 3 times the size of the ipaq |
| 06:09.44 | gawel | *heh* there is the news |
| 06:09.56 | gb2 | our frontend fits in the same formfactor as the dual-pcmcia sleve |
| 06:10.11 | gb2 | so it's no bigger than ipaq+dual pcmcia sleve |
| 06:10.19 | mithro | whats it able to do? |
| 06:10.32 | gb2 | gawel: that sounds like our demo system *cough* ;) |
| 06:11.03 | gb2 | mithro: at the moment, it does FRS radio and Project 25 radio (that's the digital public safety standard in the US) |
| 06:11.33 | gb2 | mithro: also, at the moment it's a 206mhz SA, not a 400mhz xscale |
| 06:11.33 | mithro | that means very little to me ;) |
| 06:12.02 | gb2 | mithro: FRS radio is a type of FM walkie-talkie |
| 06:12.17 | gb2 | the p25 radios are digital police radios |
| 06:12.24 | gb2 | ;) |
| 06:12.53 | mithro | thats better :) |
| 06:13.04 | mithro | wanna do HDTV on Ipaq ;) |
| 06:13.12 | gb2 | HAHAHHA |
| 06:13.13 | gb2 | that's funny |
| 06:13.39 | gawel | heh |
| 06:13.42 | gb2 | mithro: just playing the mpeg stream requires a >2ghz p4 |
| 06:14.10 | mithro | you'll just have to optimise it :) |
| 06:14.17 | gb2 | heh |
| 06:14.55 | gb2 | mithro: you can buy hdtv cards that work with linux now |
| 06:15.14 | gb2 | that's where that > 2ghz requirement came from |
| 06:15.48 | mithro | hrm - the hdtv card my friend has works okay on his 900mhz celry under windows |
| 06:16.03 | mithro | nothing much to watch on HDTV here though |
| 06:16.20 | gb2 | mithro: if i'm remembering my benchmarks properly, an ipaq should be capable of being a GSM cell phone though |
| 06:16.37 | gb2 | mithro: it's probably doing hardware decoding |
| 06:17.03 | gb2 | mithro: the pchdtv card just gives you the raw stream which you play in xine or mplayer |
| 06:17.52 | mithro | he gets a raw stream from the card which just goes straight to his vid card which does the decoding i belive |
| 06:18.26 | gb2 | that might be |
| 06:18.52 | gb2 | with the nvidia drivers you can apparently do it with a 1.4ghz machine or so under linux. |
| 06:19.08 | gb2 | that's doing XvMC for offloading some of the mpeg decode to the hardware |
| 06:19.23 | mithro | both nvidia and ati include hardware mpeg decoders in there cards |
| 06:19.31 | gawel | wow. pchdtv is about $189... |
| 06:19.37 | gb2 | gawel: i have one |
| 06:20.11 | gawel | hmmm. one of these days i should get a tv w/cable and stuff. |
| 06:20.29 | gb2 | mithro: the ati drivers for linux don't export the api to that though |
| 06:20.31 | gawel | digital recorders almost make tv usable (again) |
| 06:20.55 | gb2 | gawel: US digital cable isn't receivable by any commercially available hardware though |
| 06:21.15 | gawel | hmm |
| 06:21.22 | gb2 | US analog cable is, and broadcast (including hdtv) is |
| 06:22.23 | gb2 | i'm currently saving up for a display that will do hdtv well |
| 06:22.34 | mithro | gb2: you looked at mythtv ? |
| 06:23.42 | gb2 | mithro: i have a mythtv box next to my tv right now |
| 06:23.45 | gb2 | :) |
| 06:24.01 | gawel | hmmm. time to edumacate myself with howstuffworks.com/hdtv.html |
| 06:24.05 | gb2 | what i could really use is some free time |
| 06:24.18 | mithro | i can't get a quality vs size i'm happy with |
| 06:24.24 | gb2 | i wish it came in cans or something |
| 06:24.56 | gb2 | mithro: i'm going to try to figure out a good display box that will be nearly silent and capable of outputting hdtv to a video projector |
| 06:25.07 | gb2 | then GigE off to some other boxes |
| 06:25.23 | gb2 | which will actually be storage and encoding/etc |
| 06:25.47 | mithro | plus getting the infra red remote working properly kinda sucks atm :( |
| 06:25.56 | gb2 | get an RF remote |
| 06:25.56 | gb2 | :P |
| 06:25.59 | mithro | where? |
| 06:26.05 | gb2 | ati sells one |
| 06:26.09 | mithro | the only on i can find is the ATI Remote Wonder |
| 06:26.11 | gb2 | and shuttle has one too |
| 06:26.14 | mithro | which you can't get in australia |
| 06:26.15 | gb2 | both are USB devices |
| 06:26.19 | gb2 | oh |
| 06:26.21 | mithro | Shuttle? |
| 06:26.29 | gb2 | www.spacewalker.com |
| 06:26.38 | gb2 | again it might not be sold into .au markets |
| 06:26.43 | mithro | :( |
| 06:26.52 | gb2 | (probably the RF isn't certified there) |
| 06:27.28 | mithro | s/AUS/US |
| 06:27.35 | gb2 | mithro: i've been looking for a nice RF keyboard+mouse |
| 06:27.41 | gb2 | where they're one unified unit |
| 06:28.21 | mithro | there was an okay rf keyboard/mouse combo which you can find in japan |
| 06:28.56 | gb2 | there was one mentioned on the mythtv list in the last 3 days i think |
| 06:30.16 | mithro | i can't find any reference to the remote on the shuttle site |
| 06:30.27 | gb2 | it's in the accessories |
| 06:30.33 | gb2 | i stumbled onto it |
| 06:30.40 | gb2 | so it might not be easy to find |
| 06:30.54 | gb2 | it wasn't as nice as the ATI one |
| 06:31.45 | gb2 | one feature i wish people would do up or discuss on the list is a calibration tool |
| 06:32.17 | gb2 | i used a calibration disc in my dvd player to adjust my tv, but calibration is needed on the video-out of myth |
| 06:32.31 | gb2 | contrast and saturation is way off |
| 06:32.49 | Captain-Obvious | hmmm |
| 06:32.51 | gawel | http://us.shuttle.com/specs_access.asp?pro_id=235 ? |
| 06:32.57 | Captain-Obvious | "Some of the first Palm(tm) Vx products, sold only in the US, were released with Palm OS(r) 3.3. For this small group of customers, we are providing a downloadable upgrade to OS 3.5 for free." |
| 06:33.05 | Captain-Obvious | the one I got has 3.3 on it |
| 06:34.30 | gb2 | gawel: that's it |
| 06:39.13 | gawel | hmmm. are there any instructions to patcher? |
| 06:39.21 | mithro | again - i don't seem to be able to get in australia :( |
| 06:40.31 | mithro | i keep coming up with these type of devices though |
| 06:40.32 | mithro | http://www.buyplusdirect.com/site/zen_remote.html |
| 06:41.17 | gawel | mithro: pricewatch.com has 3 vendors that offer that remote for $31 US. |
| 06:41.32 | gawel | i'm sure they'd be happy to ship it for you |
| 06:54.41 | ljp | and I am sure j. howard would love to stick you with a 50% GST |
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| 07:07.38 | gawel | hmmm. glib still is borken |
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| 07:08.08 | Captain-Obvious | ouch |
| 07:08.17 | Captain-Obvious | dont buy anything from this seller: http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=dvdlegacy |
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| 07:11.45 | enginuitor | Hmm... qpe-gaim doesn't seem to work on OZ 3.3.5... |
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| 07:19.33 | ljp | hmmm |
| 07:20.04 | enginuitor | ljp: Have you gotten it to work on OZ? |
| 07:20.26 | ljp | gotten what to work? |
| 07:20.42 | ljp | oh, gaim? dont use it |
| 07:20.49 | enginuitor | oh, I thought your "hmmm" was responding to my complaint about gpe-gaim not working... |
| 07:20.51 | enginuitor | lol |
| 07:20.54 | enginuitor | what do you use? |
| 07:21.01 | ljp | irc |
| 07:21.20 | ljp | I was hmmm'ing about CIA-4's ips |
| 07:21.22 | Captain-Obvious | treke the dipstick shut off dhcp |
| 07:21.31 | enginuitor | ahh |
| 07:21.45 | enginuitor | That probably sucks |
| 07:22.51 | enginuitor | My school's DHCP server went haywire once and started assigning ip's allocated to static stuff like printers and servers and stuff to clients |
| 07:23.06 | enginuitor | So half the printers stopped working |
| 07:23.13 | enginuitor | And everybody was getting error messages |
| 07:23.21 | Captain-Obvious | and hes a new linux user |
| 07:24.05 | enginuitor | I'm glad I have a static IP :) |
| 07:25.31 | enginuitor | I'm looking for a good Oscar IM client for OZ... |
| 07:25.35 | enginuitor | I can't get Gaim to work |
| 07:26.59 | Captain-Obvious | if I would have used my head, I would have waited to bid at all untill the last 15 secs |
| 07:27.12 | Captain-Obvious | but I bid on it like 3 seprate times |
| 07:27.31 | Captain-Obvious | first 2 were stupid, and the last one was a real good snipe |
| 07:27.43 | enginuitor | The problem with sniping is... |
| 07:27.59 | Captain-Obvious | I think I could have got it for less if I would have just waited |
| 07:28.15 | Captain-Obvious | but I still go it for less than my max |
| 07:28.28 | Captain-Obvious | ...Nothing! |
| 07:29.30 | Captain-Obvious | I like ebay |
| 07:29.59 | Captain-Obvious | got a 5 port USB 2 PCI card that even works with linux for $10 |
| 07:30.03 | Captain-Obvious | new |
| 07:31.46 | enginuitor | ok, sorry, something came up |
| 07:32.03 | enginuitor | Anyway, the problem with sniping is that you usually end up increasing the bid by a lot |
| 07:32.21 | Captain-Obvious | not really |
| 07:32.26 | enginuitor | But if you had been the previous high bidder, who patiently bid earlier... |
| 07:32.36 | enginuitor | you would have gotten it for a lower price |
| 07:32.44 | Captain-Obvious | you bix your max |
| 07:32.46 | Captain-Obvious | bid |
| 07:32.59 | enginuitor | Say I have a max bid of $15... |
| 07:33.03 | Captain-Obvious | but I was willing to pay more |
| 07:33.10 | enginuitor | Some other guy bids it up to $10... |
| 07:33.34 | Captain-Obvious | and I put in a max bid of $20 in the last 10 secs, I win |
| 07:33.38 | enginuitor | and then it gets sniped at $15.01 |
| 07:33.41 | enginuitor | lol |
| 07:34.10 | Captain-Obvious | then I pay $16.01 for it |
| 07:34.22 | enginuitor | basically, what I'm trying to say is that in my opinion, while sniping may win you the auction, it's not the best strategy if you want the best price |
| 07:34.24 | Captain-Obvious | I dont pay $20 |
| 07:34.27 | enginuitor | I know |
| 07:34.40 | enginuitor | Although since I sell on ebay... |
| 07:34.46 | enginuitor | I like to encourage sniping... |
| 07:35.11 | Captain-Obvious | I bid the min on sevral things and got them |
| 07:35.18 | Captain-Obvious | enginuitor: http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jsp?forum=143&thread=400064845&modifed=20031211130508 |
| 07:36.28 | W8TVI | just look me up on ebay and you'll see how I bid on it |
| 07:36.33 | W8TVI | its the last one |
| 07:36.42 | W8TVI | last thing I bid on |
| 07:39.12 | enginuitor | lol, one time I was bidding on a WiFi CF card... |
| 07:39.57 | enginuitor | There were about 10 other auctions like it, so I wanted to encourage people to bid on the other ones by making it appear that there was a lot of competition for it |
| 07:40.13 | Soopaman | heheh |
| 07:40.34 | enginuitor | I put in about 25 bids, each time increasing my maximum by about $0.01 |
| 07:40.38 | Soopaman | i used to proxy bid, but i am not a sniper |
| 07:40.47 | W8TVI | shilling! |
| 07:40.50 | W8TVI | :P |
| 07:40.50 | Soopaman | errr |
| 07:40.53 | enginuitor | So the bid count got up to like 36 |
| 07:40.56 | Soopaman | i am now a sniper |
| 07:41.11 | Soopaman | enginuitor, oi look for people like you |
| 07:41.36 | Soopaman | because i know someone who bids that often on the same item, is just trying to bid up the item |
| 07:41.48 | Soopaman | so i snipe you good |
| 07:42.01 | Soopaman | and laugh because you wasted so much time, and i got the item |
| 07:42.16 | enginuitor | Well, to me it's about getting the best price... |
| 07:42.21 | enginuitor | Unles it's a rare item |
| 07:42.25 | Soopaman | from whose perspective? |
| 07:42.30 | Soopaman | buyer or seller |
| 07:42.36 | enginuitor | And there have been an equal mix of both cases |
| 07:42.38 | enginuitor | buyer |
| 07:42.58 | enginuitor | Well, I want the best price when I'm a seller too... |
| 07:43.14 | enginuitor | But that's all another story |
| 07:43.41 | enginuitor | I hate sellers who have their friends bid up their items for them |
| 07:43.46 | W8TVI | Ebay operates in an alternate universe from the one you are accustomed to. |
| 07:43.48 | Soopaman | yeah that is gay |
| 07:44.01 | W8TVI | Here are some easy translations. Please print these out and tape them to your forehead for quick reference: |
| 07:44.08 | enginuitor | uh-oh... |
| 07:44.10 | W8TVI | Real World: Insurance Required |
| 07:44.10 | W8TVI | Ebay World: If It Breaks, You Can Do A Paypal Chargeback And If You're Outside The US, You Will Win Automatically Cause Your Address Is UnConfirmed. So Why PAY For Insurance? Ha! Ha! Ha! |
| 07:44.20 | W8TVI | Real World: Payment Required Within 10 Days |
| 07:44.20 | W8TVI | Ebay World: I Will Gladly Pay You Tuesday For A Hamburger Today |
| 07:44.26 | enginuitor | lol!! |
| 07:44.28 | W8TVI | Real World: I Ship To The US Only |
| 07:44.29 | W8TVI | Ebay World: PITA Canadian Buyer Will Win and Send Tart Email Scolding You For Charging A Fifty Cent Handling Fee On Shipping. Then They Will Do A Paypal Chargeback And Win Because They Have A Non-US Unconfirmed Address And You Shipped To Them Anyway. |
| 07:44.49 | Soopaman | hah |
| 07:44.49 | enginuitor | lmao |
| 07:44.56 | Soopaman | my only gripe about ebay sellers |
| 07:45.03 | W8TVI | ebay forums are funny |
| 07:45.06 | Soopaman | are those homo's who try to charge 30 dollars for shipping |
| 07:45.06 | enginuitor | rotflmfao |
| 07:45.20 | enginuitor | Oh, there was this one guy... |
| 07:45.20 | Soopaman | and then ship the item the slowest method possible |
| 07:45.25 | enginuitor | Sold a pair of Nike shoes for $1... |
| 07:45.27 | Soopaman | which usually costs 85 cents |
| 07:45.31 | enginuitor | $127 shipping and handling |
| 07:45.35 | Soopaman | yeah |
| 07:45.37 | Soopaman | that's bs |
| 07:45.47 | enginuitor | They do it for two main reasons: |
| 07:45.58 | enginuitor | (1) The auction attracts more attention with its lower price |
| 07:46.00 | Soopaman | with those guys i let them know straight up, that i'll pay for shipping and no more |
| 07:46.12 | enginuitor | (2) They pay less in ebay fees |
| 07:46.20 | enginuitor | The ebay selling fees are really rediculous |
| 07:46.24 | Soopaman | true |
| 07:46.29 | enginuitor | And when you combine them with the PayPal fees... |
| 07:46.29 | W8TVI | I saw a palm vx and the guy put $6 shipping in the text of the ad, and lower on the page it sad $30 s/h in the ebay part... |
| 07:46.36 | enginuitor | I hate that too |
| 07:46.47 | enginuitor | I know why that happened though... |
| 07:46.55 | Soopaman | you know what happens though |
| 07:46.59 | enginuitor | It's happened to me and I have had to re-edit my auctions |
| 07:47.13 | enginuitor | When you put in shipping values it remembers them... |
| 07:47.23 | W8TVI | I'll pay $10 s/h on something the size of a zaurus.. |
| 07:47.39 | enginuitor | So the next time you list an auction, if you forget to change the boxes, the last values go in |
| 07:47.51 | Soopaman | if you are very explicit when you pay for the item, and state the cost and service of the shipping, with like 2dollars for materials, and they ship it any other service |
| 07:47.58 | W8TVI | seeing that they packed it realy well and it got here fat |
| 07:47.59 | Soopaman | you can persue them under fraud laws |
| 07:48.07 | W8TVI | fast |
| 07:48.09 | enginuitor | I know personally that a Zaurus-size device can be quickly and safely shipped with tracking for 3.85 |
| 07:48.43 | Soopaman | this dude shipped me an ipod for like 20 bucks, and i know he shipped it like 5 dollar standard |
| 07:48.53 | enginuitor | yeah |
| 07:48.56 | W8TVI | up to $10 s/h on something like that or a little bit bigger doesnt sound like to much |
| 07:49.12 | Soopaman | aslong as they don't gouge |
| 07:49.18 | W8TVI | it cost money got buy the stuff to pack it in and to drive to the PO |
| 07:49.24 | Soopaman | i won't mind paying a bit extra for good service |
| 07:49.40 | enginuitor | I usually calculate shipping based on estimated ebay/paypal fees plus the actual price of the packing materials and shipping cost |
| 07:49.53 | enginuitor | I print pre-paid labels from usps.gov's "PC Postage"... |
| 07:50.03 | enginuitor | You get free tracking with Priority mail when you do that |
| 07:50.08 | enginuitor | All you need is a decent scale |
| 07:50.12 | W8TVI | when I got my toshiba sg20 they charged $30 to ship it, BUT they ship second day air and and it was packed well |
| 07:50.43 | W8TVI | and it was here two days after I won the bid |
| 07:50.46 | enginuitor | You box it up, weigh it, type in the address and weight info, print out the label, peel-n-stick, and throw it in the mailbox |
| 07:51.41 | W8TVI | I won it the evening and the next morning they shiped it, and the next day I had it in my hands |
| 07:51.50 | W8TVI | it was worth the $30 |
| 07:51.55 | Soopaman | yeah |
| 07:52.01 | Soopaman | since i'm in canada |
| 07:52.08 | Soopaman | and if i win a canadian auction |
| 07:52.08 | enginuitor | The best thing about Priority Mail is that you get 1-3 day shipping with tracking for 3.85 on anything <= 1lb |
| 07:52.10 | W8TVI | and a sg20 costs $15 to ship that way |
| 07:52.18 | Soopaman | it's like 10 dollars for overnight service |
| 07:52.20 | enginuitor | Not nearly as reliable as the commercial carriers... |
| 07:52.40 | enginuitor | But it's a really really good deal |
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| 07:53.15 | enginuitor | Hi Pendalar |
| 07:53.33 | Pendalar | sup |
| 07:54.01 | W8TVI | enginuitor: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3066245437&category=38331&rd=1 |
| 07:54.14 | W8TVI | Winning bidder to pay $6 for priority shipping through USPS. I will ship same or next day upon closure of the auction and payment through Paypal. |
| 07:55.56 | W8TVI | I asked him how he thinks it should take to get here, and he said "Since you are relatively nearby it seems like it could be there by Tuesday or more likely Wednesday. It is coming by priority mail." |
| 07:57.08 | Pendalar | wow it's 3am.. wierd how you lose track of time |
| 07:57.14 | Pendalar | helps to have a comp tell you |
| 07:57.44 | W8TVI | lol |
| 07:58.28 | W8TVI | now I just got to see my friend still wants to buy my other pda off me |
| 07:59.49 | enginuitor | Where the fsck is the serial number on an SL-5500? |
| 08:00.00 | W8TVI | its on the back |
| 08:00.13 | enginuitor | On a label or something? |
| 08:00.18 | W8TVI | yep |
| 08:00.24 | enginuitor | Crap |
| 08:00.27 | W8TVI | what do you need it for? |
| 08:00.49 | W8TVI | 8 digit # |
| 08:01.13 | enginuitor | To download HanCom Mobile Office |
| 08:01.15 | W8TVI | the highest I've seen on a 5x00 starts with 3 |
| 08:01.20 | W8TVI | use this: |
| 08:01.35 | W8TVI | 27005465 |
| 08:01.43 | W8TVI | the next one after mine :P |
| 08:01.50 | Pendalar | my sticker fell off eventually |
| 08:02.07 | W8TVI | just noticed that mine is sliding |
| 08:03.01 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 08:03.02 | Pendalar | it's been lost for awhile |
| 08:03.06 | Pendalar | I hope I don't need it |
| 08:03.12 | W8TVI | "I don't think anyone here can predict the current future of the Zaurus. I |
| 08:03.12 | W8TVI | don't think Sharp is selling any models in the States currently. I think |
| 08:03.12 | W8TVI | the SL-C860 is supposed to come out in the States in 1Q 2004. Sharp is focusing on "enterprise" environments not consumer like they tried to with the SL-5500 (and slightly with the SL-5600)." |
| 08:03.15 | Pendalar | they should imbed the serial =-/ |
| 08:03.36 | W8TVI | heh |
| 08:04.01 | W8TVI | get a silver sharpy and write in inside the battery cover |
| 08:04.07 | enginuitor | lol |
| 08:04.27 | enginuitor | hey, it worked, thanks! |
| 08:04.41 | W8TVI | you can also use the number off of my dead zaurus |
| 08:04.49 | W8TVI | 37019192 |
| 08:04.54 | enginuitor | lol |
| 08:04.59 | enginuitor | What happened to it? |
| 08:05.06 | Pendalar | too late, lost the sticker |
| 08:05.42 | W8TVI | part was ran over by a car, the other part was zaped by a fuse blowing in a car power adapter |
| 08:05.52 | enginuitor | !!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:06.04 | W8TVI | the one that was ran over, now has its mobo in my current 5500 |
| 08:06.27 | W8TVI | I got the one that was ran over for $10 |
| 08:06.39 | W8TVI | lol |
| 08:07.13 | W8TVI | by the time that I get my "new" palm vx, that'll make 5 PDA for me |
| 08:07.51 | enginuitor | Let's see... |
| 08:07.57 | enginuitor | There was my Palm Zire |
| 08:08.02 | enginuitor | first PDA ever |
| 08:08.03 | enginuitor | well no |
| 08:08.04 | W8TVI | Palm Vx, Sony SJ-20, Sharp Zaurus SL-5000D, Sharp Zaurus SL-5500, Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 (dead) |
| 08:08.15 | enginuitor | Here we go: |
| 08:08.23 | W8TVI | and one year ago, I didnt have ANY pdas! |
| 08:08.35 | enginuitor | same here!!! |
| 08:08.35 | W8TVI | the sj-20 was my first |
| 08:08.50 | enginuitor | I went from palm zire to ipaq to zaurus in a matter of months |
| 08:09.04 | enginuitor | I'm trying to build up my whole list... |
| 08:10.16 | W8TVI | the the sl-5500 on ebay, had it for a month and then it got fried, then got the ran over 5500 and put the good parts in one case. the I won the 5000D from zaurususergroup.com and then I got the palm Vx of ebay |
| 08:10.18 | enginuitor | 2 cheap electronic organizers, Palm Zire, Palm V, Clie something, another clie, iPaq 3765, Axim X5, Zaurus SL-5500 |
| 08:10.38 | W8TVI | oh, I've had other electronic organizers |
| 08:10.52 | enginuitor | yeah, I had the organizers years ago |
| 08:11.07 | W8TVI | first electronic organizer I got was a Timex Ironman Triatalon Datalink |
| 08:11.12 | enginuitor | but all the real PDA's were in the last several months |
| 08:11.31 | W8TVI | I got it in the summer of '98 |
| 08:11.35 | W8TVI | it still keeps time |
| 08:11.46 | enginuitor | and I didn't have the clies and the x5 for more than a week... |
| 08:11.52 | W8TVI | just cant download data from the computer and it wont beep at me |
| 08:11.57 | enginuitor | I fix and resell pda's sometimes |
| 08:12.18 | W8TVI | then I had a roladex one... cant rmember what else |
| 08:12.45 | enginuitor | Ooh, is the datalink the one where it has the light sensor and you transfer data by holding it up to the screen while a program makes light flashes on the screen? |
| 08:12.48 | W8TVI | I was tempted to bid on a palm IIIc |
| 08:12.53 | W8TVI | yep |
| 08:13.01 | W8TVI | now they have a usb version |
| 08:13.03 | enginuitor | lol |
| 08:13.14 | W8TVI | I like the look of the Vx |
| 08:13.19 | enginuitor | oh yeah |
| 08:13.19 | W8TVI | it has what I want |
| 08:13.26 | enginuitor | Oh wait |
| 08:13.31 | W8TVI | and it lithion battery |
| 08:13.39 | enginuitor | I forgot to mention I had 2 palm V's |
| 08:13.42 | enginuitor | A V and a Vx |
| 08:13.49 | enginuitor | Very nice machine |
| 08:13.49 | W8TVI | 8mb ram, it has a metal case |
| 08:13.57 | enginuitor | Despite its issues... |
| 08:14.02 | enginuitor | Just don't EVER drop it |
| 08:14.20 | W8TVI | and the guy is putting the hard case with it |
| 08:14.28 | enginuitor | The tight-squeezed metal case sends shock directly to the LCD |
| 08:14.45 | Soopaman | i wish i could get openembedded working with my @migo pocketpc's |
| 08:14.46 | W8TVI | you can get replacement screens for cheap on ebay |
| 08:14.51 | enginuitor | yeah |
| 08:15.03 | enginuitor | Actually, a local surplus place has the digitizers for $5 |
| 08:15.12 | enginuitor | But the V is hell to open up |
| 08:15.17 | enginuitor | It's glued together |
| 08:15.22 | W8TVI | got to heat it up |
| 08:15.25 | enginuitor | Nearly impossible w/out bending it... |
| 08:15.29 | enginuitor | and once it's open... |
| 08:15.36 | enginuitor | It's just as hellish to seal it up again |
| 08:15.47 | W8TVI | razor blade and super glue |
| 08:15.49 | W8TVI | heh |
| 08:15.59 | enginuitor | And the adhesive wears out after a while even if you don't screw w/ it... |
| 08:16.20 | enginuitor | All of the Palm V's I've ever seen (4 total) have had their bottom ends coming open |
| 08:16.25 | W8TVI | this one still has pos 3.3 |
| 08:16.35 | W8TVI | dang its 3:!6 already?! |
| 08:16.52 | W8TVI | I need to go to bed |
| 08:16.55 | enginuitor | k |
| 08:17.05 | enginuitor | C'ya Cap'n! |
| 08:17.07 | enginuitor | :D |
| 08:17.12 | W8TVI | I"m getting it to debug something on the zaurus |
| 08:17.40 | enginuitor | I gotta get to bed too... |
| 08:17.42 | W8TVI | every time I've beamed my biz card to a pos 3.5 or old pda, it crashes it |
| 08:17.45 | W8TVI | lol |
| 08:17.46 | W8TVI | night |
| 08:17.57 | W8TVI | I can send it to my pos 4.1 |
| 08:18.00 | W8TVI | pda |
| 08:18.02 | W8TVI | night |
| 08:18.06 | enginuitor | lol |
| 08:18.06 | enginuitor | It's 0:17 here, I'd better go to sleep too... |
| 08:18.15 | enginuitor | oh wait |
| 08:18.20 | enginuitor | I typed that a few minutes ago... |
| 08:18.29 | enginuitor | at the tone, the time will be... |
| 08:18.44 | enginuitor | zero, nineteen, exactly. |
| 08:19.00 | enginuitor | *beeep* |
| 08:19.38 | enginuitor | I like having my zaurus and my big box sync'd to nist time... |
| 08:19.50 | enginuitor | I hold the zaurus up in front of my screen.... |
| 08:19.57 | enginuitor | And watch the time change... |
| 08:20.04 | enginuitor | It happens at exactly the same time |
| 08:20.05 | enginuitor | very cool |
| 08:20.44 | enginuitor | And when I'm at school I complain to random people "The schools clock's are 1 minute and 23 seconds fast!" |
| 08:21.08 | enginuitor | One time I got into an argument because I was late by about 30 seconds according to the school clocks... |
| 08:22.00 | enginuitor | And I pulled out my Zaurus with WiFi, did a sync to NIST just to make sure, and showed the teacher that I still had 10 seconds to get in my seat |
| 08:22.33 | enginuitor | The argument went on for more than 10 seconds, so he marked me late anyway |
| 08:22.51 | enginuitor | C'yall later... |
| 08:23.25 | enginuitor | At the tone, the time will-- zzzzzzzzzzzz...... |
| 08:25.58 | Soopaman | heh, i'm going back and forth with this ebayer |
| 08:26.39 | Soopaman | trying to make me pay 15 dollars in shipping, when i know he is going to ship the item 2dollar service |
| 08:27.15 | Soopaman | damn lying bastards |
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| 12:40.51 | jeroen_ | building libxine fails with : *** No rule to make target `cpu_accel.lo', needed by `libxineutils.la'. Stop. |
| 12:41.02 | jeroen_ | is there a fix for this ? |
| 12:44.25 | mickeyl | you're using buildroot? |
| 12:44.31 | jeroen_ | oe |
| 12:44.37 | mickeyl | oh. no idea then |
| 12:44.40 | mickeyl | maybe it doesn't work yet |
| 12:45.01 | jeroen_ | I'll investigwting it now |
| 12:45.04 | mickeyl | good |
| 12:45.10 | mickeyl | i think kergoth got it to build |
| 12:45.17 | jeroen_ | buildroot doesn't build libxine with oss ? |
| 12:45.18 | mickeyl | but then again... a lot of stuff builds for kergoth and noone else... |
| 12:45.23 | mickeyl | jeroen_: fixed |
| 12:45.31 | jeroen_ | ok ! |
| 12:46.27 | jeroen_ | it's been a while when I last build buildroot |
| 12:46.38 | jeroen_ | lots of problems with gcc3 |
| 12:46.52 | mickeyl | well |
| 12:46.57 | mickeyl | i no longer build buildroot with gcc2 |
| 12:47.00 | mickeyl | only with gcc3 |
| 12:47.05 | mickeyl | i fixed a lot of apps, though not all |
| 12:47.24 | jeroen_ | do you have a .config for me ? c7x0 ?? |
| 12:47.34 | mickeyl | def-configs |
| 12:47.43 | mickeyl | 3.3.5-PXA |
| 12:47.45 | jeroen_ | updating now.... |
| 12:56.08 | jeroen_ | what happend to the netcat package ? I get/got an error when doing 'make config' |
| 12:56.18 | mickeyl | schurig forgot something |
| 12:56.22 | mickeyl | mkdir packages/netcat |
| 12:56.25 | mickeyl | touch packages/netcat/config.in |
| 12:56.27 | mickeyl | that's all |
| 12:56.39 | jeroen_ | thnx |
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| 14:31.49 | darkschneider | lo someone willing to affer a small update in the state of eo (packages in, image building) |
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| 14:38.58 | mickeyl | darkschneider: why not check for yourself? openembedded.bkbits.net contains a nice browsable interface .) |
| 14:39.21 | darkschneider | tx checking |
| 14:39.25 | mickeyl | darkschneider: afaik it also builds rootfs'es - although i never did one |
| 14:39.49 | darkschneider | i wonder if i shoudl try to make a rom for 5600 with this instead of buildroot |
| 14:40.04 | mickeyl | you can#t |
| 14:40.22 | darkschneider | mmm kernel? |
| 14:40.23 | mickeyl | well you can |
| 14:40.31 | mickeyl | but it won't do anything |
| 14:40.41 | mickeyl | there are no kernels and no GUI applications in oe yet |
| 14:40.44 | mickeyl | and no deviceisms |
| 14:40.58 | mickeyl | all that stuff is waiting for a few helping hands :D |
| 14:41.09 | darkschneider | eheh |
| 14:42.19 | darkschneider | when i have sure time on my timetable it will porbably go in oe, since i'm directly involved in having 600$+200$ as a paper weigth on my table |
| 14:43.07 | mickeyl | good |
| 14:43.15 | jeroen_ | yeah they make beautifull press-papier's |
| 14:43.32 | darkschneider | yeah :P the ibm microdrive espectialy |
| 14:43.41 | mickeyl | in the meantime you can play with oz 3.3.5 |
| 14:43.58 | darkschneider | yeah having it start working on 5600 would be nice |
| 14:44.06 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 14:44.10 | mickeyl | works for some people |
| 14:44.24 | darkschneider | really? last time we checked it does not |
| 14:44.29 | mickeyl | yeah it does |
| 14:44.40 | mickeyl | problem was the updater.sh expected zImage, not zImage.bin on poodle |
| 14:44.44 | darkschneider | you remerb, you made me that stdout version |
| 14:44.54 | darkschneider | mmm |
| 14:44.55 | jeroen_ | lot of thing changed the last 2 month, couldn't get it to wrok earlier too... |
| 14:45.21 | mickeyl | and on collie 3.3.6-pre1 is nearly perfect |
| 14:45.27 | darkschneider | thre is a way to work on that updater.sh? |
| 14:45.28 | mickeyl | IMO |
| 14:45.28 | jeroen_ | for my C700.. |
| 14:45.40 | darkschneider | i have a look now |
| 14:45.41 | mickeyl | what do you want to work on it? |
| 14:45.55 | darkschneider | undestan how it work, made a custom updater |
| 14:46.01 | darkschneider | made/make |
| 14:46.16 | mickeyl | yeah why not |
| 14:46.21 | darkschneider | (i'm working on an updater for another arm at uni, so i wonder if they are anything similar) |
| 14:46.40 | mickeyl | get http://www.vanille.de/tools/pxa-encdec.sh |
| 14:46.41 | mickeyl | (or so) |
| 14:46.46 | darkschneider | (arm is alleasy 255 wit xscale, but it's a dev board from karo) |
| 14:46.49 | mickeyl | this is the encoding/decoding tool |
| 14:47.14 | darkschneider | mm not found :( |
| 14:47.33 | mickeyl | well i said or so |
| 14:47.35 | darkschneider | that's your sute :) |
| 14:47.48 | mickeyl | http://www.vanille.de/tools/pxa-updater-encsh |
| 14:48.14 | darkschneider | okiz nice |
| 14:48.38 | darkschneider | thaqt simply encode and decode the script? |
| 14:48.42 | mickeyl | y |
| 14:50.24 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 14:50.32 | darkschneider | later |
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| 17:37.47 | treke|home | mornin |
| 17:38.21 | _Psycho_ | mornig |
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| 18:18.33 | Bernardo | hi |
| 18:35.56 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 18:36.05 | chouimat | hi |
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| 18:56.57 | chouimat | hmmm today is boring so maybe I will continue my opie port to qt3.3 |
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| 19:32.56 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: can you finish by tonight? |
| 19:33.08 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: nope |
| 19:34.35 | TheMasterMind1 | why not |
| 19:37.51 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: becaus eI'm just starting it |
| 19:41.45 | TheMasterMind1 | excuses excuses |
| 19:43.51 | Bernardo | brb - time to test 2.4.23 with i2c 2.8.2 |
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| 19:54.37 | chouimat | mmmm nothing like a ramen soup with eggs and cheese in it |
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| 20:17.03 | Bernardo | hi |
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| 20:52.55 | Captain-Obvious | ibot change 200 gbp to usd |
| 20:53.36 | Captain-Obvious | ibot change 175 usd to gbp |
| 21:00.40 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot change .1 eur to usd |
| 21:01.06 | Captain-Obvious | ibot change 1 eur to usd |
| 21:07.34 | chouimat | ibot change 1 eur to cad |
| 21:08.08 | chouimat | ibot change 1 usd to cad |
| 21:08.26 | chouimat | ibot change 1 cad to usd |
| 21:09.53 | ljp | ibot change 1 aud to usd |
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| 21:47.49 | Bernardo | ibot change 1 aud to eur |
| 21:51.33 | ljp | ibot change 1 aud to hogsheads |
| 21:51.55 | ljp | hehehe |
| 21:52.12 | Captain-Obvious | ibot change 1 usd to yen |
| 21:52.23 | ljp | huh? |
| 21:52.35 | Bernardo | ibot change 1 eur to kwanza |
| 21:52.48 | Captain-Obvious | ibot change 1 yen to NOK |
| 21:53.10 | Bernardo | ibot change 1 eur to escudo |
| 21:53.16 | Captain-Obvious | ibot change 1 usd to jpy |
| 21:53.31 | Bernardo | ibot change 1 eur to metical |
| 21:53.40 | Captain-Obvious | ibot change 1 usd to rur |
| 21:53.54 | Bernardo | ibot change 1 eur to real |
| 21:54.19 | Captain-Obvious | ibot change 1 usd to dzd |
| 21:54.22 | pb_ | what is this, #currency-speculation? |
| 21:54.26 | Bernardo | :) |
| 21:54.37 | Captain-Obvious | ibot change 1 usd to BSD |
| 21:54.49 | Bernardo | bsd? |
| 21:54.57 | Captain-Obvious | bahamas |
| 21:55.07 | Bernardo | ibot change 1 eur to gpl |
| 21:55.10 | Bernardo | ;) |
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| 21:55.15 | ljp | ibot: sell 30000 shares SCOX |
| 21:55.17 | | ljp: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 21:55.39 | Bernardo | ibot change 1 eur to sco |
| 21:55.45 | Captain-Obvious | ibot change 1 usd to xau |
| 21:56.13 | Captain-Obvious | ibot change 1 usd to xpd |
| 21:56.16 | pb_ | ibot, change 1 usd to ljp |
| 21:57.07 | Captain-Obvious | lol |
| 21:57.14 | Captain-Obvious | ibot change 1 usd to pb |
| 21:57.21 | pb_ | oh dear |
| 21:57.34 | Captain-Obvious | ibot change 1 usd to imk |
| 21:57.48 | Captain-Obvious | ibot change 1 usd to dsl |
| 21:57.53 | imk | i'm a currency?! |
| 21:57.56 | pb_ | Captain-Obvious: perhaps you and ibot could continue this discussion in /query |
| 21:58.08 | Captain-Obvious | ibob kill pb_ |
| 21:58.12 | Captain-Obvious | ibot kill pb_ |
| 21:58.15 | | ACTION slits pb_'s throat |
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| 22:53.22 | Bernardo | 'night |
| 22:53.33 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 22:56.14 | chouimat | mickeyl: I was bored today so I start a port of opie to qt3.3 |
| 22:56.48 | mickeyl | pretty cool. shoudln't be too hard. we did it several times in the past. a namespace here, an #ifdef there, etc. how's it going? |
| 22:57.08 | chouimat | mickeyl: well |
| 22:59.04 | mickeyl | nice. please mail a the patch to opie-devel if you're satisfied with what works. might trigger a few people to get rid of qt2 |
| 22:59.25 | mickeyl | or at least to get it compilable under both |
| 22:59.30 | mickeyl | which would be nice |
| 23:00.37 | chouimat | mickeyl: will do probably after xmas ... |
| 23:01.32 | mickeyl | great. appreaciating this. I keep pestering the guys since i joined the project, but all i got was "TT says qt3 is too slow and we believe it without testing. oh and let's wait for qt4"... |
| 23:02.53 | chouimat | mickeyl: lazy |
| 23:03.35 | mickeyl | thing is... after all these months, qt4 is really around the corner now... |
| 23:04.21 | chouimat | yup but how big will be the step from 2 to 4 ... |
| 23:04.39 | mickeyl | probably not harder than 2 to 3 |
| 23:04.45 | mickeyl | some module splits |
| 23:04.50 | mickeyl | and some API changes |
| 23:04.55 | mickeyl | but i don't expect revolutions |
| 23:05.29 | mickeyl | but in the end... who knows |
| 23:05.33 | chouimat | maybe but my previous experience is it's easier to port to the new version from the one before |
| 23:09.22 | mickeyl | right. why not. qt4 will introduce serious changes for us anyway, because we will probably use this chance to get rid of most of the qtopia stuff and do our own programming framework. |
| 23:14.10 | chouimat | mickeyl: and btw with the new 400Mhz devices their argument about the speed is .... |
| 23:14.41 | mickeyl | well... that depends on the hardware manufacturers and the geeks |
| 23:14.57 | treke | the faster the core is, the more eye candy we can add |
| 23:14.59 | mickeyl | because we can't compete with HW accellerated drivers like the one in the SharpROM |
| 23:15.38 | chouimat | any chm to pdf converter? |
| 23:15.51 | treke | mickeyl: someone new is poking about with handwriting, so we might see some fixes on that front |
| 23:16.04 | mickeyl | rosetta would be cool |
| 23:16.27 | treke | I've always heard that OZ is a bit slower in general than sharp rom ever was |
| 23:16.35 | mickeyl | not on collie |
| 23:16.44 | mickeyl | my 2.4.18-embedix + gcc3 images are lightning fast |
| 23:16.45 | mickeyl | :) |
| 23:16.48 | treke | ha |
| 23:17.18 | treke | speed of light a bit slower in germany than here? :p |
| 23:17.27 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 23:17.28 | mickeyl | probably |
| 23:18.12 | chouimat | treke: here it's the speed of flu that is faster than light :) |
| 23:28.31 | treke | hmmm. there had to be some reason I came to work today |
| 23:28.37 | treke | I wish I could remember it |
| 23:28.46 | mickeyl | i think it was fixing the kernel build in OE |
| 23:28.48 | mickeyl | right? |
| 23:28.50 | mickeyl | :p |
| 23:28.56 | treke | kernel builds fine in OE |
| 23:29.33 | mickeyl | how can it without an .oe file? |
| 23:29.40 | mickeyl | magic? |
| 23:29.50 | treke | no, you build it with the .oe |
| 23:30.09 | mickeyl | the .oe? which .oe? |
| 23:30.25 | mickeyl | there is no .oe in packages/linux/ |
| 23:30.29 | treke | the one in the linux folder |
| 23:30.34 | treke | bah |
| 23:33.59 | CIA-4 | repository=03packages user=11ggilbert@olddog.treke.net |
| 23:34.00 | CIA-4 | 07ChangeSet@1.412 Apparently I forgot to commit this filelinux-zaurus-pxa_2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20031107.oe: new file |
| 23:34.08 | treke | there |
| 23:34.32 | mickeyl | that's all? |
| 23:34.33 | mickeyl | d'oh |
| 23:34.38 | treke | that's it |
| 23:34.41 | mickeyl | cool |
| 23:34.50 | mickeyl | kernel class makes the rest |
| 23:34.59 | treke | this is horribly complicated compared to my other kernel oeclass |
| 23:35.25 | mickeyl | other one? which one? |
| 23:36.06 | treke | http://ent.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/linux-2.4.21.oe |
| 23:36.07 | treke | that one |
| 23:36.22 | mickeyl | ahah |
| 23:36.23 | mickeyl | cooly |
| 23:36.34 | mickeyl | now we need to define a sane path for deviceisms and we can start adding stuff like base files, module tabs, sysinit etc. |
| 23:36.46 | mickeyl | s/tabs/files |
| 23:37.27 | treke | same way I did it |
| 23:37.32 | treke | same way kergoth did modutils |
| 23:37.51 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:37.59 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.31 | treke | What would be nice is a nicer built in construct for it |
| 23:38.53 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 23:38.57 | *** join/#openembedded Virusmaster (~Virus@pD9E659B7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:39.03 | treke | instead of if [ -e ....] do something like |
| 23:39.45 | mickeyl | -install |
| 23:39.46 | treke | oeinstallfile /path/modules-%m ${MACHINE} |
| 23:40.06 | mickeyl | yeah kind of like that |
| 23:40.07 | treke | maybe I'll hack up a patch for that |
| 23:40.21 | treke | since it will be a common construct |
| 23:40.26 | mickeyl | yep |
| 23:40.29 | mickeyl | cool |
| 23:41.06 | treke | It needs src, dest, and fall back |
| 23:41.27 | treke | and permissions |
| 23:41.29 | mickeyl | yep, something like <filename>-default |
| 23:41.43 | mickeyl | which applies if no machine specific is available |
| 23:41.48 | mickeyl | and optionally emits a warning! |
| 23:42.00 | mickeyl | so we can see what's missing when adding a new architecture |
