| 00:00.58 | CosmicPenguin | I think that the number one thing hindering Nano-X development is the existance of a decent C based toolkit |
| 00:01.16 | CosmicPenguin | But nobody is compeled enough to write a toolkit, so its a vicious cycle |
| 00:01.21 | Twiun | lack of you mean? |
| 00:01.23 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 00:01.41 | Twiun | writing toolkits is also not all that simply/easy |
| 00:01.56 | Twiun | talking about widget toolkits, right? |
| 00:02.08 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 00:04.11 | Twiun | are there any non-decent toolkits out there that could be improved? |
| 00:05.09 | CosmicPenguin | The only serious effort was tinywidgets |
| 00:06.06 | CosmicPenguin | http://tinywidgets.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:06.12 | CosmicPenguin | But I have never been very happy with that project |
| 00:06.56 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe I should give it more of a chance |
| 00:07.17 | CosmicPenguin | But I don't want to get distrcted from my current project - so one thing at a time |
| 00:07.51 | kergoth | i want to see actual apps that use evas |
| 00:08.00 | kergoth | i think it has a lot of potential |
| 00:08.43 | treke | evas is pretty, doesnt seem designed for apps though |
| 00:09.34 | kergoth | well, its only the gui/canvas piece. you'd need other convenience libs |
| 00:09.59 | treke | like a widget set. :) |
| 00:10.25 | kergoth | heh, dont some of the other E libs have that? ecore/ebits/etc |
| 00:10.36 | kergoth | all the libs are pretty small too |
| 00:10.41 | Twiun | I also quite like OO widget sets... pain to do in C |
| 00:10.48 | CosmicPenguin | Does Micah even hang out in IRC any more? |
| 00:10.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:10.55 | CosmicPenguin | PicoGUI was a good competitor |
| 00:10.59 | kergoth | evas has like 50 character long function names |
| 00:11.08 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: yeah, but he avoid picogui |
| 00:11.11 | kergoth | s/avoid/avoids/ |
| 00:11.21 | kergoth | hangs out with his local friends bs'ing in #tacobeam |
| 00:11.31 | treke | kergoth: I think there were a few psuedo widgits in soemthing |
| 00:11.40 | treke | but it was just stuff e needed, not really a full set |
| 00:11.48 | kergoth | yeah. should pester raster |
| 00:12.20 | CosmicPenguin | It had a good engine |
| 00:12.22 | kergoth | yeah it would have |
| 00:12.27 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know if I agree with an integrated widget set |
| 00:12.42 | CosmicPenguin | But its clear that not having an integrated widget set is trouble too |
| 00:13.59 | treke | hmmm. there was a release in november |
| 00:14.32 | treke | sounds like someone is still interested in it |
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| 00:59.42 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm .... phpwiki |
| 01:00.37 | Twiun | I'll need to do this with Opie's wiki at some point, so testing on a dummy wiki |
| 01:02.04 | Twiun | anyone know if the opie server happens to also have tomcat running? |
| 01:04.17 | Twiun | hrmph.... too much static in #php |
| 01:05.00 | treke | Twiun: let me look |
| 01:05.03 | treke | Twiun: doubtful |
| 01:05.33 | Twiun | treke: I was thinking of using tomcat for the decoration and php for everything else... but obviously it's not really a requirement |
| 01:05.45 | treke | nop. I see no tomcat |
| 01:05.56 | Twiun | phpwiki just doesn't play nice with php-mesh... |
| 01:06.02 | Twiun | oh well, I'll hack phpwiki :) |
| 01:08.10 | treke | hehe |
| 01:11.31 | mickeyl | Twiun: you probably want to stick with php, but layout-wise i found the MoinMoin theme to be much nicer. see http://linuxwiki.de and http://pythonwiki.de |
| 01:12.11 | Twiun | mickeyl: I'm worried about transferring the old wiki info across... or should I be? |
| 01:12.52 | mickeyl | Twiun: given that I would recommend combining that with a major revise, I'd be not too worried |
| 01:13.02 | mickeyl | the opie wiki is pretty messed up |
| 01:13.12 | mickeyl | so would need to be cleaned (touched) anyway |
| 01:13.31 | Twiun | we can manually transfer stuff I imagine - lots of is really should be static anyway |
| 01:13.39 | mickeyl | probably |
| 01:14.00 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 01:14.38 | Twiun | how did the mdk9.2 install go? |
| 01:15.09 | Twiun | hmmm moinmoin is python based, right? |
| 01:15.13 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 01:15.37 | Twiun | treke: python? |
| 01:15.38 | mickeyl | Twiun: Surprisingly good. Initially I thought "well I do it clean" but then I just wanted to see if an upgrade works at all... and it was great. one minor thing to fix and it was online again. |
| 01:16.02 | mickeyl | mod_python is probably configured in the server or is it? |
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| 01:16.43 | T` | hey guys.. anyone here converted a toshiba e750 to linux ? |
| 01:17.03 | T` | i want to remove their default windows and use linux |
| 01:17.59 | Twiun | I haven't heard of such a conversion - have you googled for this? |
| 01:17.59 | T` | searching on handhelds.org now |
| 01:17.59 | T` | nothing found |
| 01:18.00 | T` | i find ipaq though |
| 01:18.59 | T` | do u know if ipaq mods apply to toshiba as well ? both run on windows pocket pc 2003 |
| 01:19.23 | Twiun | the OS is pretty irrelevant - it's the hardware/bootloader which makes a big difference |
| 01:19.38 | Twiun | you need to find out what's under the hood |
| 01:20.00 | T` | i c |
| 01:20.16 | Twiun | mickeyl: argh. my mdk install always tries to pull the apache2 mod_python... |
| 01:20.35 | Twiun | mickeyl: I run apache1.3.xx |
| 01:20.44 | T` | Twiun, remove that line in ur httpd.conf |
| 01:20.45 | mickeyl | Twiun: d'oh. then it's probably already in? |
| 01:21.12 | Twiun | T`: what line? I'm talking about rpm installations ;) |
| 01:21.29 | Twiun | mickeyl: not sure - it doesn't show up in the installed rpm list |
| 01:21.31 | T` | Twiun, what are u trying to do ? |
| 01:21.36 | T` | Twiun, just install ? |
| 01:21.42 | Twiun | mickeyl: doubt it'd be installed statically |
| 01:21.51 | Twiun | T`: yeah - but mdk is rpm hell |
| 01:22.09 | T` | Twiun, well.. if its dependency problem. i think a --nodeps shouldn't be a prob if u never use that module |
| 01:22.12 | Twiun | one of the reasons why I'll be evaluating debian this weekend |
| 01:22.27 | T` | redhat isnt that bad |
| 01:22.34 | Twiun | T`: no, the apache1.3 mod_python doesn't show up anywhere - it's not in the rpm repo lists |
| 01:23.02 | T` | Twiun, oh.. so u want that module ? |
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| 01:23.20 | T` | Twiun, i am not sure if its available as a seperate module rpm |
| 01:23.38 | T` | Twiun, i was updating my repo and i remeber downloading a couple of mods as seperate rpms |
| 01:23.47 | Twiun | I'm getting impressions it's not available for apache1.3 at all - chasing up the mod_python website |
| 01:24.01 | T` | use apache2 |
| 01:24.05 | T` | ;) |
| 01:24.16 | Twiun | ah, yes, there is - v2.7.9 |
| 01:25.26 | Twiun | and I've built apache+modules before - I'd rather have teeth pulled out |
| 01:25.37 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 01:25.42 | mickeyl | that's much better with v2 |
| 01:26.03 | Twiun | yeah - I'm hoping debian and apt will make it less painful than mdk has been |
| 01:26.12 | Twiun | mdk's apache2 support is atrocious |
| 01:26.15 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 01:26.44 | T` | Twiun, i wouldnt personally recommend mdk for experiences users :) |
| 01:26.58 | mickeyl | lol |
| 01:27.00 | Twiun | T`: likewise... esp not for a server, at least not anymore |
| 01:27.01 | mickeyl | Twiun: you can always fall back to cgi if mod_python is too cumbersume |
| 01:27.17 | T` | Twiun, i tried it once and it was damn bulky.. the entire kernel was modded to have all these nonsense features i think |
| 01:27.30 | Twiun | mickeyl: yeah, or I could just wait until I've rebuilt my server |
| 01:27.43 | Twiun | mickeyl: apache2 and another distro |
| 01:27.49 | mickeyl | yep |
| 01:28.10 | Twiun | yeah, mdk doesn't build any mod_python rpms for apache1.3 |
| 01:29.09 | Twiun | I prefer avoiding cgi if I can |
| 01:29.25 | Twiun | using it makes administering the site structure more painful |
| 01:29.28 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 01:29.34 | mickeyl | it's also a can of worms |
| 01:29.44 | Twiun | yeah, and leeches |
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| 01:37.57 | absentia | re |
| 01:38.08 | absentia | I'm about to eat dinner, but I'll be back... lets see how the first attempt goes: |
| 01:38.13 | kergoth | k |
| 01:38.19 | T` | is there active sync for avant go for linux ? |
| 01:38.39 | absentia | oebuild patcher/patcher-1.0.oe |
| 01:38.39 | absentia | oebuild: Command not found. |
| 01:38.41 | absentia | heheh |
| 01:38.42 | absentia | ok, back soon |
| 01:38.48 | kergoth | heh, you didnt add OEDIR/bin to your PATH |
| 01:38.55 | absentia | yes, I did. |
| 01:38.58 | Twiun | T`: don't think so |
| 01:39.01 | absentia | there's nothing in there. |
| 01:39.02 | kergoth | then you dont have /usr/bin/python |
| 01:39.03 | absentia | but I knew that. |
| 01:39.10 | absentia | anyway, I'll be back. |
| 01:39.12 | kergoth | k |
| 01:39.24 | absentia | if you or others will help me get through this, I'll post my documentation. |
| 01:39.28 | absentia | as I'm documenting every step. |
| 01:39.32 | absentia | bbl |
| 01:43.06 | mickeyl | hell, a full oz rebuild takes long... |
| 01:43.22 | mickeyl | no idea why ccache doesn't work here |
| 01:43.32 | mickeyl | strange correlation algorithm |
| 01:45.35 | kergoth | heh, ccache works here, but the cache isnt large enough, i get a ton of cache misses |
| 01:46.01 | mickeyl | ah... maybe it's just full... i have three fully populated oz trees here |
| 01:46.25 | kergoth | check ccache -s during a build |
| 01:47.05 | mickeyl | mickeyl@gandalf:~$ ccache -s |
| 01:47.05 | mickeyl | cache hit 125541 |
| 01:47.05 | mickeyl | cache miss 208840 |
| 01:47.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:47.13 | kergoth | what % full? |
| 01:47.26 | mickeyl | aaah |
| 01:47.26 | mickeyl | cache size 870.9 Mbytes |
| 01:47.26 | mickeyl | max cache size 976.6 Mbytes |
| 01:47.51 | mickeyl | hmm... didn't i set it to unlimited? |
| 01:47.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:48.09 | kergoth | keep in mind some packages generate code and results in the cache not working for it |
| 01:48.17 | kergoth | varies |
| 01:48.21 | mickeyl | right |
| 01:48.25 | kergoth | but yeah, looks like yours is a bit small for the # of builds too |
| 01:50.44 | chouimat | max cache size 10.0 Gbytes |
| 01:51.48 | chouimat | mickeyl: that should be enought |
| 01:51.53 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 01:53.28 | chouimat | but It's probably not a good idea when you hdd is 8.4GB |
| 01:53.45 | Twiun | hahaha |
| 01:54.15 | chouimat | ok time to watch some quality TV: FOX |
| 01:54.40 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: you're a QT programmer, right? |
| 01:55.16 | icefox | CosmicPenguin: are you? |
| 01:55.22 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 01:56.27 | icefox | why is that? |
| 01:56.51 | treke|home | CosmicPenguin: Gonna commit tonight? |
| 01:56.52 | Twiun | CosmicPenguin: Shall I start you off on a Java rant as well? |
| 01:56.52 | icefox | It is hard to be anti-anything these days |
| 01:56.54 | CosmicPenguin | Because I was/am one of the chief developers of Pixil, so I am very much a Nano-X man |
| 01:57.12 | CosmicPenguin | But when I say anti, I don't mean against, I mean opposite of |
| 01:57.18 | CosmicPenguin | like the anti-pope |
| 01:57.24 | CosmicPenguin | Or the anti-christ |
| 01:57.34 | CosmicPenguin | (why is it the only good anti examples are religious)? |
| 01:57.44 | icefox | CosmicPenguin: what does that have to due with being anti qt? |
| 01:57.56 | icefox | ah ok |
| 01:58.17 | CosmicPenguin | icefox: its just that I used to work for a company that was in compettiion with Lineo/Trolltech, so I got real good at doing everything that *wasn't* QT related |
| 01:58.29 | icefox | http://kaylee.meyerhome.net:83/~ben/ben/articles/linux_pda.php <- CosmicPenguin |
| 01:58.57 | kergoth | what the hell.. |
| 01:59.04 | kergoth | whered the debian-installer testing netinst cds go |
| 01:59.05 | icefox | I would hardly put a slash between Lineo and TT :) |
| 01:59.11 | kergoth | gluck.debian.org's cd image area is a 404 |
| 01:59.47 | antigerg | http://treke.net/distros has one. I think |
| 01:59.48 | icefox | it was more like TT -> Lineo Japan -> Sharp Japan -> Sharp USA :) |
| 02:00.03 | CosmicPenguin | TT and Lineo have some of the same masters |
| 02:00.14 | antigerg | hmmm. maybe not |
| 02:00.19 | CosmicPenguin | But anway, |
| 02:00.27 | kergoth | icefox: typo, its uclibc, not ulibc - item 39 |
| 02:00.59 | icefox | fixed |
| 02:01.28 | kergoth | hehe, this looks awfully familiar |
| 02:01.46 | CosmicPenguin | btdt |
| 02:02.01 | icefox | but to days tie! |
| 02:02.14 | icefox | Buy too dare ties! |
| 02:02.30 | CosmicPenguin | been there done that? |
| 02:02.31 | icefox | bitch took damm tie |
| 02:02.35 | icefox | ah |
| 02:03.08 | CosmicPenguin | treke|home - what the hell, I'll commit it all. |
| 02:03.17 | treke|home | :) |
| 02:03.42 | CosmicPenguin | Its 90% stable |
| 02:04.01 | treke|home | Good enough for me |
| 02:04.05 | icefox | CosmicPenguin: Just be glad you didn't work at Sharp |
| 02:04.24 | CosmicPenguin | Its definately more stable then Sourceforge CVS... :( |
| 02:04.58 | kergoth | treke|home: our move to use of hh.o web space is on hold pending confirmation that they dont mind hosting a vhost that isnt a handhelds.org subdomain |
| 02:05.02 | kergoth | fyi |
| 02:05.12 | treke|home | cool |
| 02:05.28 | treke|home | They think it will be a problem? |
| 02:05.44 | treke|home | Or do they just need someone at hp to sign off? |
| 02:06.15 | kergoth | i think france just wants to confirm that as a policy thing they dont mind doing it |
| 02:06.19 | kergoth | since they havent so far |
| 02:06.25 | treke|home | Fair enough. |
| 02:06.29 | kergoth | no objections to it |
| 02:06.39 | chouimat | icefox: i like this point: Java Solution - Must be buzzword compliant and let manager take advantage of those cheap undergrads and proclaim JAVA is the one true...oh never mind. |
| 02:07.02 | icefox | hehe |
| 02:07.08 | CosmicPenguin | Uh, has anyone used Souceforge CVS lately? |
| 02:07.31 | icefox | Anyone let me know what shouldn't be there and or what I missed |
| 02:07.36 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: heh, i try to avoid it |
| 02:07.50 | CosmicPenguin | Does it still work |
| 02:07.54 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 02:08.02 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, dammit.... my bad |
| 02:08.44 | treke|home | I don't think 25 would ever really happen |
| 02:09.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:09.35 | kergoth | most developers at companies arent yet used to the idea that pushing your code upstream means people are going to look at it.. people who may be better at coding than you.. |
| 02:09.39 | treke|home | unless the rmk patches were considered official :) |
| 02:09.43 | kergoth | if they'd get that, i'm sure they'd try to make it fucking maintainable |
| 02:10.02 | icefox | hell some companies think "cp" is the same as revision control |
| 02:10.16 | kergoth | heh, those companies need to cough up the cash to hire a CM person |
| 02:10.35 | icefox | http://kaylee.meyerhome.net:83/~ben/ben/articles/communalsource.php <- kergoth: along the same lines as that comment |
| 02:11.03 | icefox | I personaly love the fact that Microsoft doesn't use Source Safe for its code |
| 02:11.30 | treke|home | of course they don't, they want it somplace reliable :) |
| 02:11.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:11.49 | icefox | yup, they use perforce |
| 02:11.53 | kergoth | i've never been a real fan of pair progreamming, but at a minimum code reviews by other developers helps a great deal |
| 02:12.26 | icefox | Knowing that others will look at your code makes it 10X better right off the bat |
| 02:12.30 | icefox | it is weird |
| 02:12.31 | kergoth | yup |
| 02:13.02 | absentia | re |
| 02:13.06 | absentia | ok, lets get this going. |
| 02:13.21 | treke|home | This is already going |
| 02:13.24 | treke|home | we left without you |
| 02:13.42 | icefox | CosmicPenguin: what rendering engine did you use for ViewML? |
| 02:14.18 | absentia | kergoth; I think the issue is that I only have empty dirs /oe/{packages,oe,downloads,src} |
| 02:14.21 | chouimat | kergoth: pair programming is best when the 2 guys are at the same level .... |
| 02:14.53 | kergoth | absentia: didnt you clone the repositories? |
| 02:15.07 | absentia | no where have I downloaded anything other than bk, ccache, gcc-cross and gettingstarted... |
| 02:15.10 | absentia | kegoth: no |
| 02:15.13 | absentia | wasn't in the instructions. |
| 02:15.24 | kergoth | bk clone bk://openembedded.bkbits.net/oe |
| 02:15.25 | kergoth | bk clone bk://openembedded.bkbits.net/packages |
| 02:15.35 | icefox | I remember one time when I pair programmed with this guy that I didn't think much of until I sat down with him and he typed out a whole function right there, compiled, no errors and only 1 function bug. That was cool, bought him a beer that night |
| 02:15.40 | absentia | hold |
| 02:15.42 | absentia | I'm documenting |
| 02:16.00 | chouimat | ok back to this kdevelop3 distributed pair-programming extension |
| 02:17.05 | absentia | kregoth: do the oe in the oe dir |
| 02:17.10 | absentia | and the packages in the packages dir, right ? |
| 02:17.19 | kergoth | no, remove the dirs. a cloen creates the local dir |
| 02:17.27 | kergoth | and will fail if it already exists |
| 02:17.37 | absentia | ok, I'll copy the packages/conf/local.conf |
| 02:17.46 | kergoth | let me pull up that wiki, it must have inaccuracies |
| 02:17.58 | absentia | kergoth: I'll send you my docs |
| 02:18.08 | absentia | I'm approaching it like I haven't seen it before (becausae I haven't)( |
| 02:18.17 | absentia | and I don't have anything configured on my box, becauase I don't. |
| 02:18.44 | kergoth | okay yeah, these docs suck |
| 02:18.49 | absentia | heheh |
| 02:18.50 | kergoth | lets start over |
| 02:18.58 | absentia | that's what I'm putting together. |
| 02:19.01 | kergoth | cool |
| 02:19.03 | kergoth | 1) get bk |
| 02:19.06 | absentia | yes |
| 02:19.08 | kergoth | 2) clone both repositories |
| 02:19.08 | absentia | yes |
| 02:19.13 | kergoth | make them siblings, not one within the other |
| 02:19.16 | kergoth | despite whatever the docs say |
| 02:19.16 | absentia | yes |
| 02:19.28 | kergoth | okay, then we need to set OEDIR to the oe repos we just cloned |
| 02:19.32 | kergoth | and add OEDIR/bin to the path |
| 02:19.36 | absentia | I can script everything to this point |
| 02:19.41 | absentia | including getting and installing bk |
| 02:19.46 | kergoth | then we need to add the crosscompiler's bin dir to the PATH |
| 02:19.51 | absentia | hld |
| 02:19.54 | absentia | doing two things at once. |
| 02:20.04 | kergoth | k |
| 02:20.21 | absentia | ok, bitkeeper license, ok. |
| 02:20.46 | absentia | will bitkeeper get pissed if I post this ? |
| 02:20.50 | absentia | wget http://"bitkeeper:get bitkeeper"@www.bitmover.com/download/bk-3.0.x/bk-3\ |
| 02:20.50 | absentia | .0.3-x86-static-linux.bin |
| 02:21.13 | kergoth | probably. the whole giving the email thing is you agreeing to the license, i suspeect that you letting people bypass the agreement would not go over well |
| 02:21.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:21.26 | absentia | ya, I'll replace with $user/$password |
| 02:21.40 | kergoth | yea that works |
| 02:22.58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:23.10 | absentia | I don't think they mind talk about it |
| 02:23.16 | absentia | just not part of an officially published howto |
| 02:23.44 | absentia | Clone completed successfully. |
| 02:24.19 | treke|home | they probably dont like me having it mirrored |
| 02:24.21 | absentia | cat /oe/packages/conf/local.conf |
| 02:24.21 | absentia | TARGET_ARCH=arm |
| 02:24.21 | absentia | DL_DIR="/oe/downloads" |
| 02:24.21 | absentia | OEDIR="/oe/oe" |
| 02:24.21 | absentia | OEFILES="/oe/packages/*/*.oe" |
| 02:24.23 | absentia | ok, ready again. |
| 02:24.29 | absentia | treke: exactly. |
| 02:25.01 | kergoth | okay, first, i dont recommend setting OEDIR or OEFILES in local.conf, but instead via the environment |
| 02:25.04 | kergoth | we'll go into why in a few |
| 02:25.09 | absentia | I know |
| 02:25.14 | absentia | I'm just working on the apth thing now |
| 02:25.17 | kergoth | k |
| 02:26.24 | absentia | setenv OEDIR /oe |
| 02:26.24 | absentia | set path=($path ${OEDIR}/bin) |
| 02:26.24 | absentia | cd "$OEDIR"/packages |
| 02:26.24 | absentia | setenv OEFILES */*.oe |
| 02:26.25 | absentia | ok |
| 02:26.26 | CosmicPenguin | icefox: I hate VIewML with a passion |
| 02:26.34 | CosmicPenguin | BUt it uses the old school Konq engine |
| 02:26.37 | kergoth | OEDIR should be /oe/oe, no? |
| 02:26.49 | kergoth | thats the oe repos, not the base of where you're operating |
| 02:26.57 | absentia | ya, this is oeroot |
| 02:27.22 | absentia | the conf file had it correct |
| 02:27.28 | treke|home | CosmicPenguin: konq 1? |
| 02:27.32 | kergoth | okay, lets start by not using oemake at all, so dont document setting OEFILES yet |
| 02:27.38 | absentia | ok |
| 02:27.40 | kergoth | OEFILES controls oeinstall and oemake, which we'll go into shortly |
| 02:27.40 | absentia | then I"m ready |
| 02:27.41 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 02:27.43 | chouimat | kergoth: fishhead is still a pain in the ass |
| 02:27.49 | kergoth | okay good |
| 02:27.50 | treke|home | as in kde1? or kde2? |
| 02:27.51 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: where you been? I've been calling you |
| 02:27.56 | kergoth | have you added your crosscompiler's bin dir to the path yet? |
| 02:28.03 | CosmicPenguin | kde2, I think |
| 02:28.09 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:28.11 | CosmicPenguin | Its the HTML 3 |
| 02:28.20 | treke|home | CosmicPenguin: That's the same as opies then :) |
| 02:28.25 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: was watching geri rian in Boston public :) |
| 02:28.46 | CosmicPenguin | treke |
| 02:29.00 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.01 | absentia | yes |
| 02:29.04 | CosmicPenguin | treke: its an OK app, but its bloated and it needs some tender loving care |
| 02:29.10 | treke|home | CosmicPenguin: That's the same as opies then :) |
| 02:29.12 | CosmicPenguin | it uses libwww, for example, which is a pita |
| 02:29.33 | CosmicPenguin | We need a new engine, and something less weight, like curl |
| 02:29.40 | icefox | konq3 |
| 02:29.41 | icefox | :) |
| 02:29.41 | absentia | now what ? |
| 02:30.01 | treke|home | the konq in opie is usable, but it reeally needs work |
| 02:30.02 | CosmicPenguin | I kept bothering Century to fund a Gecko port for FLTK, but they didn't want to listen |
| 02:30.31 | absentia | http://www.spy.org/zaurus/oe.html |
| 02:30.34 | absentia | that's my raw document... |
| 02:31.08 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: look at konq/webcore |
| 02:31.09 | icefox | CosmicPenguin: wait did you seem to think Gecko and "light" went together ? |
| 02:31.16 | icefox | hehe |
| 02:31.30 | absentia | what do I do instead of oemake ? |
| 02:31.31 | treke|home | And konq does? :) |
| 02:31.32 | kergoth | okay, after we have th OEDIR bits setup and the crosscopmiler in the path, verify you can run the tools by doing oebuild --help |
| 02:31.33 | CosmicPenguin | lol |
| 02:31.40 | absentia | rehash |
| 02:31.47 | kergoth | if that fails, either the setup of OEDIR and OEDIR/bin broke, or you dont have python 2.2 or higher |
| 02:31.51 | treke|home | CosmicPenguin: The minimo guys are doing a pretty good job cutting down gecko |
| 02:31.53 | absentia | oebuild --help |
| 02:31.53 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.53 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.53 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.53 | absentia | SyntaxError: invalid syntax |
| 02:31.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:31.59 | CosmicPenguin | Broswer and "light" don't go together, but other then Konq/Mozilla, it seems that any good engine never stays current |
| 02:32.01 | kergoth | old python version |
| 02:32.02 | absentia | :-) |
| 02:32.06 | kergoth | do you have /usr/bin/python2? |
| 02:32.18 | kergoth | or similar |
| 02:32.19 | absentia | Python 2.3.2 (#1, Nov 16 2003, 00:27:56) |
| 02:32.37 | absentia | which python |
| 02:32.38 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.47 | kergoth | okay, in that case, bk edit bin |
| 02:32.48 | chouimat | hmmmm becoming gay or supporting fishhead ... which is the less painful ... |
| 02:32.55 | kergoth | then edit bin/oe{build,make,install,image} |
| 02:33.01 | kergoth | and change the #! line to point at hte 2.x ver |
| 02:33.02 | absentia | eh? |
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| 02:33.10 | kergoth | bk edit locks the files for editing |
| 02:33.14 | absentia | bkedit bin ? |
| 02:33.16 | kergoth | then use vi or whatever on the tools to change the #! |
| 02:33.19 | kergoth | bk edit bin/ |
| 02:33.20 | kergoth | from within oe |
| 02:33.25 | absentia | hold |
| 02:33.31 | kergoth | cd oe; bk edit bin; vi bin/oebuild bin/oemake bin/oeinstall bin/oeimage |
| 02:33.37 | CosmicPenguin | treke: I ported Links, and its pretty cool, cept for not handing CSSs and the fact that it needs to be hacked for a 200x320 form factor |
| 02:33.41 | treke|laptop | CosmicPenguin: So far they are down to about 5 megs |
| 02:33.49 | kergoth | this, again, is only if /usr/bin/python is too old and you have an alternate location for the recent version. note that in the doc |
| 02:33.58 | absentia | locking the dir, not the file? |
| 02:34.10 | treke|laptop | links with css and decent gui support would rock |
| 02:34.13 | absentia | why not use the env python hack ? |
| 02:34.15 | kergoth | bk edit bin locks all the files in bin for editing |
| 02:34.25 | kergoth | env python hack? |
| 02:34.32 | absentia | hold |
| 02:34.34 | absentia | doing three things at once |
| 02:34.35 | kergoth | k |
| 02:34.46 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.06 | kergoth | ah, good idea. thatll make it obey PATH, correct? |
| 02:35.09 | absentia | yes |
| 02:35.16 | kergoth | k, ill fix that upstream, hold |
| 02:35.20 | absentia | it's not as efficient, but it's not that bad. |
| 02:35.31 | kergoth | its too common a problem, its worth it |
| 02:35.36 | kergoth | imho anyway |
| 02:35.37 | absentia | yup |
| 02:35.38 | absentia | :-) |
| 02:35.57 | CosmicPenguin | treke - the biggest problem with Pixil at this point is that I represent 100% of the development community... :( |
| 02:36.00 | CosmicPenguin | So its hard to get stuff working |
| 02:36.11 | treke|laptop | CosmicPenguin: I've always been a bit annoyed about the way links handles guis as glorified framebuffers |
| 02:36.13 | treke|laptop | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 02:36.18 | absentia | examples from learning python use #!/usr/bin/env python |
| 02:36.19 | chouimat | hmmm kaffeine rocks |
| 02:36.19 | absentia | just that |
| 02:36.35 | chouimat | kergoth: home or at work? |
| 02:36.39 | absentia | perl did this for years... before it became mostly standard. |
| 02:36.49 | absentia | but there's still a split between /usr/bin/perl and /usr/local/bin/perl |
| 02:37.13 | kergoth | chouimat: home |
| 02:37.22 | treke|laptop | /opt/perl/bin/perl is the best place to point |
| 02:37.27 | chouimat | kergoth: I have a small avi for you |
| 02:37.55 | absentia | which perl |
| 02:37.56 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.25 | CIA | repository=03oe user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com |
| 02:38.25 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.322 Use /usr/bin/env to locate python. |
| 02:38.25 | kergoth | absentia: cd oe; bk unedit bin/*; bk pull; bk -r co -q; |
| 02:38.36 | kergoth | unedit is necessary to ditch any local changes you made (if any) |
| 02:38.40 | kergoth | pull grabs the new csets |
| 02:38.46 | kergoth | co checks the files out of your local repository |
| 02:39.00 | kergoth | (this is basic bk operation, dont bother documenting this in this doc) |
| 02:39.13 | absentia | I will document it |
| 02:39.24 | absentia | this is the first time I'm seeing it |
| 02:39.26 | kergoth | chouimat: ah nice |
| 02:39.29 | absentia | others will probably be in the same place. |
| 02:39.51 | kergoth | absentia: i'll be doing an intro to bk and a bk tips & tricks independent of the OE getting started bits. really seperate documents |
| 02:40.08 | chouimat | kergoth: my brother told me that it's like the original |
| 02:40.15 | absentia | ok |
| 02:40.19 | absentia | seems like the check out worked |
| 02:40.21 | absentia | heheh |
| 02:40.27 | kergoth | okay good, make sure oebuild --help works |
| 02:40.28 | absentia | if I learn forward, I disrupt my wifi signal |
| 02:40.48 | absentia | yes |
| 02:41.03 | kergoth | alright, cd packages; oebuild patcher/patcher_1.0.oe |
| 02:41.55 | chouimat | kergoth: about 1hr |
| 02:43.14 | absentia | looks like it worked |
| 02:43.32 | kergoth | cool. next thing to document is how to get a printout of the dependencies of a package |
| 02:43.37 | kergoth | so you know how to build things in the right order with oebuild |
| 02:43.55 | kergoth | oebuild showdata path/to/what/you/wanna/build.oe|grep DEPENDS.*= |
| 02:43.58 | absentia | ok ? |
| 02:44.14 | kergoth | showdata dumps all the metadata on a specific package. useful debugging tool. |
| 02:44.34 | absentia | ok, can I just build everything ? |
| 02:44.44 | kergoth | oebuild is for building specific packages. |
| 02:44.53 | kergoth | to build everything, you want to use oemake, it follows package dependency |
| 02:44.55 | absentia | oebuildworld |
| 02:45.12 | kergoth | i mentioned earlier that its hokey wrt multiple provides, so you need to use the OEFILES setup i told you earlier |
| 02:45.14 | absentia | ok, but is there a command to just build everyithn g? |
| 02:45.26 | absentia | right |
| 02:45.39 | kergoth | to build a specific package with oemake, you either set OEPKGS="glibc ncurses" or whatever, or do oemaek ncurses glibc |
| 02:45.50 | kergoth | if you oemake without arguments, and without OEPKGS set, it builds everything it can find |
| 02:45.54 | kergoth | which is every package available in OEFILES |
| 02:45.56 | absentia | OEFILES=`ls */*.oe|grep -E -v 'binutils-cross|uclibc|*-initial|gcc-\ |
| 02:45.56 | absentia | cross|avr-libc'` oemake -a |
| 02:46.02 | kergoth | right |
| 02:46.06 | kergoth | -a means abort on failure |
| 02:46.11 | kergoth | which should really be default, but isnt right now |
| 02:46.17 | kergoth | try that |
| 02:49.19 | absentia | that syntax doesn't work for tcsh |
| 02:49.31 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:49.42 | kergoth | well, you get the idea, adapt |
| 02:49.43 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:49.58 | kergoth | note that it takes a fair bit for oemake to parse in all the .oe files into its metadata store |
| 02:50.06 | kergoth | might want to note that in the doc |
| 02:50.21 | absentia | cd $OEROOT/packages |
| 02:50.21 | absentia | setenv OEFILES=`ls */*.oe|grep -E -v 'binutils-cross|uclibc|*-initial|gcc-cro\ |
| 02:50.21 | absentia | ss|avr-libc'` |
| 02:50.21 | absentia | oemake -a |
| 02:50.22 | absentia | done |
| 02:50.39 | absentia | ok |
| 02:50.41 | absentia | it's grokkin'm now |
| 02:50.44 | kergoth | cool |
| 02:50.59 | kergoth | should probably make it give some form of feedback. a spinner, or dots, or something |
| 02:51.28 | absentia | I use to do spinners with my ascii programs |
| 02:51.43 | absentia | I'm sure there's a gnu-spinner lib now that's 12MB and is bootable. |
| 02:51.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:52.07 | absentia | self compiles and spits out the gpl if linted. |
| 02:52.36 | kergoth | oemake building stuff yet? |
| 02:52.52 | absentia | yup |
| 02:53.01 | absentia | wil this normally run for a while ? |
| 02:53.24 | kergoth | long while. if you're wondering what its doing, there are logs |
| 02:53.30 | absentia | nope |
| 02:53.32 | absentia | ok, thank you |
| 02:53.34 | kergoth | tmp/base/packagename-version-revision/temp/log* |
| 02:53.40 | absentia | I'll go try to make the wife not kill me for spending all this time |
| 02:53.42 | absentia | come back later and check |
| 02:53.47 | kergoth | cool, later |
| 02:53.47 | absentia | and work on cleaning up the documentation. |
| 02:53.49 | absentia | thank you for taking the time |
| 02:53.59 | absentia | hopefully I'll at least be a tester... if not dev. |
| 02:54.01 | absentia | soon. |
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| 02:56.39 | Twiun | g'night guys |
| 02:56.42 | absentia | night |
| 03:00.38 | absentia | ERROR: function do_stage failed |
| 03:00.38 | absentia | ERROR: see log in /disks/disk1/scott-CDs/01-JAN-2004/cd-zaurus/oe/packages/tmp/base/glibc-initial-2.3.2-r0/temp/log.do_stage.11696 |
| 03:00.38 | absentia | ERROR: package glibc-initial-2.3.2-r0: task do_stage failed |
| 03:00.38 | absentia | ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 03:00.38 | absentia | ERROR: package base/glibc-initial-2.3.2-r0: build failed |
| 03:00.39 | absentia | ERROR: Build of dropbear-0.38-r0 failed, aborting. |
| 03:00.57 | kergoth | check that log |
| 03:01.17 | absentia | that oe in the iddle is /oe ... |
| 03:01.31 | kergoth | also, you can probably grep out glibc-initial, its only really required for toolchain builds |
| 03:02.05 | absentia | NOTE: make cross-compiling=yes install_root=/disks/disk1/scott-CDs/01-JAN-2004 |
| 03:02.05 | absentia | make: *** No rule to make target `install-headers'. Stop. |
| 03:02.05 | absentia | FATAL: oemake failed |
| 03:02.23 | absentia | before the make line... irc ate a line starting with / |
| 03:02.25 | absentia | hate that |
| 03:02.38 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.43 | absentia | argh |
| 03:02.50 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.26 | kergoth | hrm thats odd |
| 03:03.30 | kergoth | check the do_configure log |
| 03:03.36 | kergoth | does the ./configure complete successfullly? |
| 03:04.06 | absentia | checking for autoconf... autoconf |
| 03:04.07 | absentia | checking whether autoconf works... yes |
| 03:04.07 | absentia | configure: error: |
| 03:04.07 | absentia | *** These critical programs are missing or too old: as ld gcc |
| 03:04.07 | absentia | *** Check the INSTALL file for required versions. |
| 03:04.07 | absentia | make: *** No rule to make target `sysdeps/gnu/errlist.c'. Stop. |
| 03:04.09 | absentia | no |
| 03:04.11 | absentia | this is redhat 7.2 |
| 03:04.31 | kergoth | hmm, it shouldnt have aborted the configure run when seeing that error.. |
| 03:04.48 | kergoth | if you look at glibc-initial*.oe, you see we try to cheat and sed out the thing sthat make configure fail |
| 03:05.01 | kergoth | since -initial doesnt need to compile anything, just get the headers |
| 03:05.35 | kergoth | that make: error was in do_configure? |
| 03:06.26 | kergoth | ah, yep |
| 03:06.29 | kergoth | lets see.. |
| 03:06.43 | kergoth | i hadnt tried this on a 7.2 box, guess it isnt as flexible as it should be |
| 03:06.52 | kergoth | regardless, grep out glibc-initial and let the build continue |
| 03:07.09 | absentia | grep out? |
| 03:07.12 | absentia | in the oefiles line ? |
| 03:07.15 | kergoth | yea |
| 03:07.19 | kergoth | its only used for toolchain builds anyway |
| 03:07.26 | absentia | you have *-initial |
| 03:07.29 | absentia | should that be \* ? |
| 03:07.35 | kergoth | well, apparently it idndt work :) |
| 03:07.51 | kergoth | err, why dont we just grep out \-initial? |
| 03:07.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:08.53 | absentia | can I do just -initial? |
| 03:08.55 | absentia | ah, ok |
| 03:09.14 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:10.13 | kergoth | oh |
| 03:10.17 | kergoth | absentia: i think i found it |
| 03:10.23 | kergoth | glibc-initial uses sed -i |
| 03:10.25 | kergoth | in place |
| 03:10.30 | kergoth | only recent seds support taht... |
| 03:10.31 | absentia | in? |
| 03:10.45 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.47 | kergoth | yeah, it modifies the file as is, rather than putting it in a new file and moving it back to the old name |
| 03:11.04 | absentia | is that part of some binutils, or is sed standaline ? |
| 03:11.21 | kergoth | just the normal sed. x86 from your build machine |
| 03:11.31 | absentia | huh ? |
| 03:11.33 | kergoth | grab a recent version. i ran into that issue on my rh73 box |
| 03:11.41 | absentia | that's what I just asked.. |
| 03:11.41 | kergoth | just install a newer sed on your build machine. |
| 03:11.42 | absentia | where is sed? |
| 03:11.59 | absentia | standa lone |
| 03:11.59 | absentia | got it |
| 03:12.02 | kergoth | ~/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/tc$ cat ../packages/sed/sed_4.0.8.oe |grep SRC_URI |
| 03:12.06 | kergoth | gnu.org |
| 03:12.06 | kergoth | k |
| 03:12.09 | kergoth | SRC_URI = ${GNU_MIRROR}/sed/sed-${PV}.tar.gz |
| 03:12.21 | TheMasterMind1 | vmware is so kickass :) |
| 03:12.36 | TheMasterMind1 | how goes it kergoth |
| 03:12.48 | kergoth | gb2: not having a split staging just bit me |
| 03:13.01 | kergoth | gb2: 3 libnet versions, all incompatible with one another, zcip and libnids both need one specific version |
| 03:13.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:13.26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not bad, hacking on oe stuffs |
| 03:13.34 | kergoth | you? |
| 03:13.39 | absentia | documented, installing. |
| 03:13.47 | kergoth | cool |
| 03:13.58 | kergoth | actually, i could make a sed-native .oe, that you could use prior to a normal build |
| 03:14.05 | kergoth | oemake -a sed-native; oemake -a |
| 03:14.07 | kergoth | or something |
| 03:14.22 | absentia | eh ? |
| 03:14.33 | absentia | naw |
| 03:14.38 | absentia | most systems won't be this old |
| 03:14.50 | kergoth | thats true. guess we'll just document that we need a recent sed |
| 03:14.51 | absentia | ok, /usr/new/bin/sed |
| 03:15.04 | kergoth | k, now your glibc build wont blow up. |
| 03:15.07 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:15.16 | kergoth | both glibc and glibc-initial required it |
| 03:15.22 | kergoth | brb |
| 03:15.41 | absentia | oemake -a again |
| 03:15.57 | absentia | will it pick up |
| 03:16.00 | absentia | or o everything again ? |
| 03:16.23 | kergoth | it wont rebuild what it doesnt need to |
| 03:16.29 | kergoth | keeps stamps to track progress |
| 03:16.31 | kergoth | just oemake -a again |
| 03:16.38 | absentia | ok |
| 03:16.52 | absentia | ERROR: function do_stage failed |
| 03:16.52 | absentia | ERROR: see log in /disks/disk1/scott-CDs/01-JAN-2004/cd-zaurus/oe/packages/tmp/base/glibc-initial-2.3.2-r0/temp/log.do_stage.19727 |
| 03:16.52 | absentia | ERROR: package glibc-initial-2.3.2-r0: task do_stage failed |
| 03:16.52 | absentia | ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 03:16.52 | absentia | ERROR: package base/glibc-initial-2.3.2-r0: build failed |
| 03:16.53 | absentia | ERROR: Build of dropbear-0.38-r0 failed, aborting. |
| 03:17.23 | kergoth | er, i thoguht we grepped out glibc-initial? |
| 03:17.26 | absentia | no |
| 03:17.30 | absentia | you said it would work |
| 03:17.38 | kergoth | oebuild clean glibc/glibc-initial_2.3.2.oe |
| 03:17.40 | kergoth | then it will |
| 03:17.42 | absentia | the grep is failing inside the '' `` .. it works when on the command line. |
| 03:17.56 | TheMasterMind1 | sed -i eh |
| 03:17.57 | absentia | needs to do the configure again? |
| 03:17.58 | absentia | ok |
| 03:17.59 | absentia | hold |
| 03:18.00 | TheMasterMind1 | that could come in handy |
| 03:18.01 | kergoth | we just need it to rerun the configure step |
| 03:18.01 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:18.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, its nice |
| 03:18.50 | absentia | you can see why peope give up |
| 03:18.54 | absentia | it's a constant hurdle :-) |
| 03:19.04 | TheMasterMind1 | absentia: its constant fun |
| 03:19.08 | absentia | yup |
| 03:19.08 | kergoth | well, having the basics documented will help |
| 03:19.12 | absentia | yup |
| 03:19.19 | absentia | again, I can script most all of this, too. |
| 03:19.22 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 03:19.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i need a winxp key |
| 03:19.29 | absentia | "where do you want it" and everything else is auto. |
| 03:19.29 | TheMasterMind1 | its written on my cd |
| 03:19.32 | kergoth | might want to note in the doc somewhere that theres an OEDEBUG variable |
| 03:19.33 | TheMasterMind1 | which is in the drive and mounted |
| 03:19.41 | absentia | kergoth: later. |
| 03:19.42 | kergoth | if you set it to 1 or 2 you'll get inreased verbosity |
| 03:19.44 | kergoth | k |
| 03:19.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:20.15 | kergoth | treke|laptop: heh, i wnet and switched my crosscompilers to be in /opt instead of /usrl/ocal |
| 03:20.35 | treke|laptop | kergoth: evil. |
| 03:21.06 | kergoth | treke|laptop: well, i want toolchain rpms for hte devs at work |
| 03:21.18 | kergoth | and its bad policy to install system packages that touch /usr/local |
| 03:21.37 | treke|laptop | /usr/arm |
| 03:21.39 | treke|laptop | :) |
| 03:21.43 | kergoth | does mallum have push access to openembedded.bkbit.net yet? |
| 03:21.47 | kergoth | i'd like to see freetype in |
| 03:21.47 | treke|laptop | /opt/ is evil |
| 03:21.54 | treke|laptop | I dont think he does |
| 03:21.59 | kergoth | k |
| 03:22.36 | kergoth | ah, found noidd's ssh key sitting in my box, he's waiting for access to get perl in |
| 03:23.39 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh, perl |
| 03:24.31 | kergoth | ibot: botmail for noidd: need an sshv1 public key for the push access to bkbits, not v2. |
| 03:25.43 | kergoth | if noidd gets perl in, and mickey fixes the python build, and i finish fixing up qtopia & opie, we'll be sitting pretty good for metadata |
| 03:25.45 | treke|laptop | you should be installing debian |
| 03:25.52 | kergoth | then we'll just need to fix up package granularity and stuff |
| 03:26.01 | TheMasterMind1 | yay, sid is being updated again |
| 03:26.04 | kergoth | treke|laptop: speaking of which, what the hell happened tot he netinst cds for testing, the debian-install beta images |
| 03:26.11 | kergoth | the url is 404 to the images |
| 03:26.17 | kergoth | dunno whats up with that |
| 03:26.19 | treke|laptop | kergoth: The server was taken down |
| 03:26.28 | treke|laptop | pretty much everything was offline |
| 03:26.33 | kergoth | oh, right |
| 03:26.36 | kergoth | well that sucks |
| 03:26.43 | absentia | why is /opt/ ebyl ? |
| 03:26.44 | absentia | evil ? |
| 03:26.58 | kergoth | absentia: cause it tends to collect crap people didnt want to install in proper locations |
| 03:27.15 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.19 | absentia | I thought /opt/ was a proper location? |
| 03:27.33 | absentia | for /optional forwater ... |
| 03:27.34 | kergoth | well, i mean bins in /usr/bin, libs in /usr/lib, etc |
| 03:27.42 | absentia | now, how the HELL did software become forwater. |
| 03:27.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:27.54 | absentia | not sun's /opt/sfw/bin ? /opt/gnu/bin ? |
| 03:28.09 | absentia | oemake is running. |
| 03:28.16 | kergoth | cool |
| 03:28.24 | absentia | it's downloading something HUGE |
| 03:28.47 | absentia | gcc 3.3.2 |
| 03:28.56 | absentia | 24MB? + |
| 03:30.14 | kergoth | heh, if we want nptl instead of linuxthreads, our glibc will end up being *3* passes. how annoying |
| 03:30.38 | treke|laptop | dammit. head doesnt build again |
| 03:30.58 | kergoth | heh, we really need to get opie broken up and restructured |
| 03:31.26 | kergoth | chouimat: damn good movie |
| 03:31.53 | chouimat | kergoth: recording it now ... and btw enjoy the song |
| 03:32.03 | TheMasterMind1 | equilibrium rocks |
| 03:32.04 | kergoth | yea thanks |
| 03:32.22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the whole 'gun kata' thing is an interesting concept |
| 03:32.59 | treke|laptop | the libopie2 situation is a pain also |
| 03:33.09 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:33.46 | treke|laptop | all that code there that is used for nothing |
| 03:33.53 | treke|laptop | libopie is mostly wasted also |
| 03:34.04 | absentia | I missed vanilla sky.. but thought that was excellent... people didn't explain it properly... I like things like that due to my interest in ai |
| 03:34.10 | absentia | same with... memento ... |
| 03:34.51 | absentia | still dling. |
| 03:34.51 | absentia | heheh |
| 03:35.39 | absentia | k: have you run any type of pc emulator on the z? dosemu? bochs? |
| 03:36.40 | kergoth | nope havent |
| 03:36.46 | absentia | k |
| 03:37.00 | absentia | I wanna tryr gcc3 mame under oz without opie running.. |
| 03:37.04 | absentia | I hope that it will be normal. |
| 03:39.06 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.12 | kergoth | my apache build failed with this 3.3.2 chain |
| 03:39.16 | kergoth | multiple defs of something in libpthread |
| 03:39.17 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:39.51 | kergoth | oh |
| 03:39.57 | absentia | I think if there was a howto for oe build |
| 03:40.30 | absentia | howto for kismet, wellenreiter... and media/mplayer/kino ... that would cover a sh!tload of questions. |
| 03:47.45 | kergoth | treke|laptop: got a url to a debian netinst iso? |
| 03:47.53 | kergoth | want to get hte magnia up |
| 03:48.34 | treke|laptop | one sec |
| 03:48.39 | kergoth | k |
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| 03:49.22 | treke|laptop | http://www.non-gnu.uvt.nl/pub/debian-xfs/netinst-xfs.iso |
| 03:49.27 | treke|laptop | mithro: |
| 03:49.49 | mithro | treke|laptop: : |
| 03:50.29 | mithro | s/:$/?/ |
| 03:50.57 | kergoth | treke|laptop: thanks |
| 03:51.40 | treke|laptop | kergoth: that actually should work out of the box on it with 2.4.21 |
| 03:51.49 | treke|laptop | other than the root hole |
| 03:52.04 | kergoth | e100 is wan or switch? |
| 03:52.10 | treke|laptop | wan |
| 03:52.13 | kergoth | k |
| 03:52.17 | treke|laptop | rt8139too is switch |
| 03:55.14 | absentia | do compile for gcc 3.3.2 |
| 03:55.22 | absentia | but no output... it's been just sitting there |
| 03:55.26 | absentia | I guess it's doing something? |
| 03:55.30 | kergoth | tail -f the do_compile log |
| 03:55.34 | absentia | ah, nevermind |
| 03:55.37 | absentia | just flashed to ncurses |
| 03:55.50 | kergoth | ah good |
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| 04:02.07 | chouimat | kergoth: yup the "gun kata" seems interesting ... where I can learn it? |
| 04:02.17 | kergoth | chouimat: heheh, good question |
| 04:02.35 | chouimat | shit the DVD is 45cad .... |
| 04:11.21 | kergoth | there we are, got the debian netinst.. now to wait for this ftp mp3 transfer to complete and ill bring down the box and fix the magnia |
| 04:20.33 | treke|laptop | opie-toda-mailplugin takes forever to make into an ipk |
| 04:23.26 | chouimat | kergoth: the scene when they find the dog in his car is just .... brilliant |
| 04:24.18 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe, yeah |
| 04:24.22 | treke|laptop | doh |
| 04:24.27 | treke|laptop | mailplugin was just borken |
| 04:30.54 | chouimat | kergoth: better than the matrix because it had a story a la Fareinheight 451 |
| 04:31.19 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah. equilibrium definately has the best gun fighting scenes i've ever seen |
| 04:31.28 | kergoth | decided to pop in the dvd and watch it again myself :) |
| 04:31.32 | treke|laptop | who is in equilibrium? |
| 04:31.38 | absentia | ERROR: function do_compile failed |
| 04:31.38 | absentia | ERROR: see log in /disks/disk1/scott-CDs/01-JAN-2004/cd-zaurus/oe/packages/tmp/base/file-4.06-r0/temp/log.do_compile.26218 |
| 04:31.38 | absentia | ERROR: package file-4.06-r0: task do_compile failed |
| 04:31.38 | absentia | ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 04:31.38 | absentia | ERROR: package base/file-4.06-r0: build failed |
| 04:31.40 | absentia | ERROR: Build of base/file failed, aborting. |
| 04:32.03 | treke|laptop | absentia: read log.do_compile.26218 and see what happened |
| 04:32.07 | absentia | k |
| 04:32.21 | W8TVI | kergoth: so you got your sg20 fixed? |
| 04:32.42 | kergoth | W8TVI: nah, waiting for someone's upload of mp3s to my ftp to complete before i bring this box down to install debian on the magnia drive |
| 04:33.03 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.04 | absentia | done >> magic |
| 04:33.04 | absentia | file -C -m magic |
| 04:33.04 | absentia | file: magic, 1427: type regex .+\ -q\ with inverted index in |
| 04:33.04 | absentia | valid |
| 04:33.05 | absentia | file: magic, 1428: type regex .+\ -c\ text (non-compressed) |
| 04:33.06 | absentia | invalid |
| 04:33.08 | absentia | etc |
| 04:33.12 | W8TVI | ah |
| 04:33.17 | absentia | make[2]: Leaving directory `/disks/disk1/scott-CDs/01-JAN-2004/cd-zaurus/oe/pa |
| 04:33.17 | absentia | ckages/tmp/base/file-4.06-r0/file-4.06/magic' |
| 04:33.18 | absentia | etc |
| 04:33.19 | kergoth | oh, dependency on a recent desktop file version |
| 04:33.27 | kergoth | we probably need a file-native that file depends on, to avoid that dependency |
| 04:33.45 | W8TVI | kergoth: one of these days I just might do a fresh install on this drive... |
| 04:33.57 | absentia | what can I do now to move on ? |
| 04:34.01 | absentia | get a new file from gnu ? |
| 04:34.19 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:35.49 | absentia | is it part of file utils ? |
| 04:35.55 | kergoth | nope, just file |
| 04:36.03 | absentia | don't see it at gnu |
| 04:36.06 | kergoth | cat file/file*oe|grep SRC_URI |
| 04:36.37 | kergoth | treke|laptop: http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/equilibrium.html |
| 04:36.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:37.30 | treke|laptop | hmmm. looks like the matrix |
| 04:37.57 | kergoth | completely different plotline and style of the action, but its definately action oriented like it |
| 04:38.16 | W8TVI | hmm |
| 04:38.34 | W8TVI | am I still connected? |
| 04:38.43 | treke|laptop | nope |
| 04:38.44 | kergoth | no |
| 04:38.49 | W8TVI | d'oh! |
| 04:38.51 | W8TVI | lol |
| 04:39.01 | W8TVI | I just reconnected |
| 04:39.17 | absentia | if I learn forward |
| 04:39.19 | absentia | I block my wifi |
| 04:39.24 | absentia | makes me wonder. |
| 04:41.00 | absentia | oemake -a |
| 04:42.48 | absentia | hmm, it's doing iputils.. did it skip file? |
| 04:42.52 | W8TVI | damn it! I wish all ISPs would at least block 92 byte echo requests |
| 04:43.04 | absentia | why? |
| 04:43.14 | chouimat | kergoth: currently watching the french translation ... need to get the DVD but at 45cad ... |
| 04:43.25 | chouimat | ibot: change 45 cad to usd |
| 04:43.34 | kergoth | heh, that is pricy |
| 04:43.42 | W8TVI | the damn welcia worm looks for computers that way |
| 04:43.56 | kergoth | the dvd is nice though, i like the director commentary. its interesting just how well they did given the low budget of the movie |
| 04:44.19 | W8TVI | some one ping userd90.torchlake.com |
| 04:44.27 | W8TVI | oh wait |
| 04:44.31 | W8TVI | I con do it myslef |
| 04:44.33 | W8TVI | self |
| 04:47.11 | treke|laptop | hmmm |
| 04:47.23 | treke|laptop | now that I have a dvd burner I should start archiving full build roots |
| 04:48.09 | absentia | rdisc.c: In function `logperror': |
| 04:48.09 | absentia | rdisc.c:1507: error: `sys_errlist' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 04:48.09 | absentia | rdisc.c:1507: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 04:48.09 | absentia | rdisc.c:1507: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 04:48.09 | absentia | make: *** [rdisc] Error 1 |
| 04:48.10 | absentia | FATAL: oemake failed |
| 04:48.25 | kergoth | what failed? |
| 04:48.27 | kergoth | what package |
| 04:48.38 | absentia | not sure |
| 04:48.48 | kergoth | .. you were able to cat the log.. |
| 04:48.58 | absentia | ya, but the other stuff scrolled past my buffer size |
| 04:48.59 | absentia | remaking |
| 04:49.01 | kergoth | ahhk |
| 04:49.15 | kergoth | probably just missing an include or something equally simple |
| 04:49.22 | absentia | I think it skipped the file make, though. |
| 04:49.23 | kergoth | wonder why it doesnt fail here |
| 04:49.29 | absentia | I want to tell it to clear that and retry it. |
| 04:49.38 | kergoth | oebuild clean file/file*oe |
| 04:49.43 | kergoth | then itll rebuild it |
| 04:50.22 | absentia | NOTE: package iputils-20020927-r0: task do_compile started |
| 04:50.22 | absentia | ERROR: function do_compile failed |
| 04:50.22 | absentia | ERROR: see log in /disks/disk1/scott-CDs/01-JAN-2004/cd-zaurus/oe/packages/tmp/base/iputils-20020927-r0/temp/log.do_compile.5905 |
| 04:50.22 | absentia | ERROR: package iputils-20020927-r0: task do_compile failed |
| 04:50.22 | absentia | ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 04:50.23 | absentia | ERROR: package base/iputils-20020927-r0: build failed |
| 04:50.25 | absentia | ERROR: Build of iputils failed, aborting. |
| 04:51.47 | absentia | remaking file and cleaned iputil... |
| 04:51.48 | kergoth | heh, thats odd |
| 04:51.53 | absentia | probably file was borked |
| 04:51.58 | kergoth | stdio.h pulls in bits/sys_errlist.h.. |
| 04:52.04 | kergoth | and rdisc.c includes stdio.h |
| 04:52.05 | treke|laptop | ok. this is just digustting |
| 04:52.16 | treke|laptop | http://treke.net/jmhtml/ |
| 04:52.29 | kergoth | absentia: confirm tmp/staging/target/include/stdio.h exists and has an include line for bits/sys_errlist.h, then confirm tmp/staging/target/include/bits/sys_errlist.h exists |
| 04:52.49 | absentia | that'sneat. |
| 04:53.01 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.12 | kergoth | from wherever you're running oemake from |
| 04:53.23 | kergoth | aka TOPDIR aka `pwd` |
| 04:53.24 | absentia | stil making |
| 04:53.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:53.26 | absentia | will wait for it to die |
| 04:53.27 | kergoth | k |
| 04:57.52 | treke|laptop | W8TVI: ping |
| 04:58.04 | W8TVI | treke|laptop: PONG! |
| 04:58.17 | absentia | file exists |
| 04:58.28 | treke|laptop | You know if anyone has done any programming for the magnia lcd below the character level? |
| 04:58.57 | absentia | I do not see an inclide for bits/sys_err |
| 04:58.58 | kergoth | heh, thatd be cool. xmms plugin |
| 04:59.10 | W8TVI | you mean control character? |
| 04:59.14 | absentia | no include |
| 04:59.25 | kergoth | absentia: stdio.h exists, but doesnt include it? |
| 04:59.29 | treke|laptop | W8TVI: Pixel level stuff. |
| 04:59.35 | absentia | exists: tmp/staging/target/include/bits/sys_errlist.h |
| 04:59.37 | W8TVI | not that I know of |
| 04:59.51 | treke|laptop | W8TVI: Want to see if juggle master can be ported to the juggle master lcd |
| 04:59.51 | absentia | correct |
| 05:00.00 | kergoth | hmm, odd. |
| 05:00.05 | W8TVI | treke: heh |
| 05:00.09 | treke|laptop | it has enough sick ass front ends that it would be appropriate |
| 05:00.13 | absentia | egrep -i sys_err tmp/staging/target/include/stdio.h |
| 05:00.13 | absentia | #ifdef __UCLIBC_HAS_SYS_ERRLIST__ |
| 05:00.14 | absentia | extern __const char *__const sys_errlist[]; |
| 05:00.14 | absentia | extern __const char *__const _sys_errlist[]; |
| 05:00.14 | absentia | #endif /* __UCLIBC_HAS_SYS_ERRLIST__ */ |
| 05:00.16 | absentia | that's it. |
| 05:00.23 | kergoth | oh |
| 05:00.31 | kergoth | you built uclibc? |
| 05:00.35 | absentia | not sure |
| 05:00.36 | kergoth | i thought you grepped that out of your OEFILES |
| 05:00.38 | kergoth | .. |
| 05:00.41 | kergoth | double check |
| 05:01.03 | absentia | do you want that I shuld make them |
| 05:01.06 | absentia | or that I should not make them? |
| 05:01.17 | kergoth | you should bulid glibc, not uclibc.. or hte other way around |
| 05:01.27 | kergoth | anything that touches sys_errlist atm wont build with uclibc |
| 05:01.36 | kergoth | so make sure only one of the two is in OEFILES |
| 05:01.40 | absentia | binutils/binutils-uclibc_2.14.90.0.6.oe |
| 05:01.40 | absentia | binutils/binutils-uclibc-cross_2.14.90.0.6.oe |
| 05:01.43 | absentia | part of oefiles |
| 05:01.58 | absentia | gcc/gcc-initial-uclibc-cross_3.3.2.oe |
| 05:02.09 | absentia | gcc/gcc-uclibc_3.3.2.oe |
| 05:02.10 | absentia | gcc/gcc-uclibc-cross_3.3.2.oe |
| 05:02.19 | absentia | uclibc/uclibc_0.9.21.oe |
| 05:02.19 | absentia | uclibc/uclibc-initial_0.9.21.oe |
| 05:02.35 | kergoth | OEFILES=`ls */*.oe|grep -E -v 'binutils-cross|uclibc|avr-libc|\-initial'` doesnt work? |
| 05:02.38 | kergoth | or similar |
| 05:02.41 | absentia | no |
| 05:02.47 | absentia | I think it doesn't egrep v anything |
| 05:02.56 | kergoth | hmm, thatd explain the oddities |
| 05:03.00 | kergoth | but why.. |
| 05:07.21 | absentia | I'm guessing an error in multiline inputs via tcsh |
| 05:08.17 | kergoth | heh. echo 'OEFILES=\' >> conf/local.conf; ls */*.oe|grep blahblah|sed -e's,$,\\,' >> conf/local.conf; |
| 05:08.24 | kergoth | or something like that |
| 05:08.29 | absentia | naw |
| 05:08.33 | absentia | I'm gonna get this in tcsh |
| 05:08.36 | kergoth | heh, k |
| 05:09.52 | absentia | Word too long. |
| 05:09.57 | absentia | it's < 80 chars |
| 05:10.00 | absentia | sometimes tcsh is lame. |
| 05:10.08 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:10.30 | kergoth | you'll want to wipe tmp/, due to the odd hodgepodge of uclibc/glibc |
| 05:11.37 | absentia | ok |
| 05:11.38 | chouimat | WOW! |
| 05:11.39 | absentia | I figured it |
| 05:11.45 | absentia | (1) I was using setenv var= |
| 05:11.47 | absentia | there is no = |
| 05:12.03 | kergoth | chouimat: ? |
| 05:12.06 | absentia | second, it's the \ to extend a line inside of a ``, it has to be \\ so the nl is kept |
| 05:12.14 | absentia | otherwise the command ends early and you get errors with " ' and ` |
| 05:12.25 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:12.27 | absentia | should I just start over with a clean build ? |
| 05:12.41 | kergoth | just rm -rf tmp, then you'll have a clean build |
| 05:12.46 | absentia | cd $OEROOT/packages |
| 05:12.46 | absentia | setenv OEFILES `ls */*.oe|egrep -i -v \\ |
| 05:12.46 | absentia | 'binutils-cross|uclibc|\*-initial|gcc-cross|avr-libc'` |
| 05:12.47 | absentia | ok |
| 05:12.50 | chouimat | kergoth: this movie is brilliant and I will pay 45cad for the DVD |
| 05:13.00 | absentia | do I have to mkdir tmp ? |
| 05:13.12 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe, isnt the scene witht he lie detector awesome? "no. not without incident." |
| 05:13.16 | kergoth | absentia: nope |
| 05:13.19 | kergoth | jsut rm -rf and oemake -a |
| 05:13.22 | absentia | ok |
| 05:13.28 | absentia | rm taking forever. |
| 05:13.32 | absentia | I usually hit ^c by now |
| 05:13.32 | absentia | :-> |
| 05:14.25 | absentia | remaking |
| 05:14.30 | kergoth | cool |
| 05:17.15 | chouimat | kergoth: I liked the flat line and the way he get to Father |
| 05:17.23 | kergoth | yup |
| 05:18.54 | W8TVI | only one more month of Welchia |
| 05:19.38 | chouimat | kergoth: what say the lie dectector technician in the original version in french he say: Merde! (shit!) |
| 05:20.03 | kergoth | hehe, yep, he says shit in the original too |
| 05:20.22 | kergoth | brb |
| 05:20.55 | chouimat | ok ... I get the DVD no matter the price ... it's better than the matrix imho it had a plotline (not really original but ...) |
| 05:29.10 | absentia | still making fine |
| 05:29.25 | kergoth | absentia: good good |
| 05:29.44 | chouimat | kergoth: reign of fire ... is it good or is as boring as the game? |
| 05:30.17 | kergoth | dunno, havent seen that one yet |
| 05:30.39 | chouimat | ok superecran air it tomorrow at 8h45am ... will tape it |
| 05:30.45 | absentia | looks like another expansion was putout for nwn |
| 05:30.56 | absentia | I really *NEED* to get a real computer! |
| 05:31.02 | kergoth | yea saw that, gonna have to pick it up |
| 05:31.26 | absentia | I have lots of games |
| 05:31.30 | absentia | just no 'puter to play'm on |
| 05:31.30 | Pendalar | absentia: what mhz are you on? |
| 05:31.36 | absentia | oemake ? |
| 05:31.41 | absentia | 1.8GHz celeron |
| 05:31.53 | Pendalar | oh you need a computer for games.. thought you meant your box is too slow to compile on |
| 05:31.58 | Pendalar | my bad |
| 05:32.01 | absentia | it was |
| 05:32.06 | absentia | so I bought this one to host and compile on |
| 05:32.18 | absentia | I only have p3 celeron 500mhz at home |
| 05:32.26 | absentia | :-/ |
| 05:32.28 | Pendalar | 3x as fast as my linux box, I don't pity you ;-) |
| 05:32.47 | absentia | I'm looking to buy a 2.4+Ghz AMD next year... |
| 05:32.52 | Pendalar | ah I squeek by you there, 600mhz AMD K...6? 7? something |
| 05:32.53 | absentia | just so I can have a decent thing... at home. |
| 05:32.58 | absentia | ya |
| 05:33.00 | absentia | that's the beast. |
| 05:33.07 | absentia | lets me run freebsd... that's all I need. |
| 05:33.11 | Pendalar | wife won't let me put linux on the good comp =-e |
| 05:33.32 | absentia | run virtual pc |
| 05:33.34 | absentia | :-) |
| 05:33.41 | Pendalar | this one is plenty good enough other than I'd like to have ability to play with 3D models and what not |
| 05:34.01 | absentia | I picked up a wife that doesn't know a thing 'bout computers... all my previous interests were always competing with me... that was bad. |
| 05:34.01 | Pendalar | nah I just run VNC client from the better box |
| 05:34.09 | Pendalar | I'll lose some mhz for linux, s'ok |
| 05:35.13 | chouimat | absentia: fixed that ... 1P3/667 768MB, 1 P3/1000 384 and 1 athlon 1.2 512M and I distribute everythiong with teambuilder (distcc) and openmosix |
| 05:35.39 | absentia | fixed what ? |
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| 05:36.27 | chouimat | absentia: lack of speed ... |
| 05:36.43 | absentia | ya |
| 05:36.56 | absentia | zippin' right along, k |
| 05:38.45 | chouimat | night |
| 05:48.47 | absentia | where is busybox in the line of things ? |
| 05:49.38 | kergoth | theres no set order, oemake walks down its list in something clsoe to the order of the oe's in OEFILES |
| 05:49.45 | kergoth | taking into account deps of course |
| 05:49.54 | absentia | ok |
| 05:50.07 | absentia | it's doing sed now |
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| 05:58.37 | absentia | NOTE: package iputils-20020927-r0: task do_compile started |
| 05:58.37 | absentia | ERROR: function do_compile failed |
| 05:58.37 | absentia | ERROR: see log in /disks/disk1/scott-CDs/01-JAN-2004/cd-zaurus/oe/packages/tmp/base/iputils-20020927-r0/temp/log.do_compile.20730 |
| 05:58.37 | absentia | ERROR: package iputils-20020927-r0: task do_compile failed |
| 05:58.37 | absentia | ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 05:58.38 | absentia | ERROR: package base/iputils-20020927-r0: build failed |
| 05:58.40 | absentia | ERROR: Build of iputils failed, aborting. |
| 05:58.42 | absentia | same package |
| 05:59.35 | absentia | any idea? |
| 06:00.01 | treke|laptop | read the error message. |
| 06:00.14 | treke|laptop | in log.do_compile. |
| 06:00.30 | absentia | JAN-2004/cd-zaurus/oe/packages/tmp/staging/usr/X11R6/lib rdisc.c -lresolv -o |
| 06:00.30 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.30 | absentia | rdisc.c: In function `logperror': |
| 06:00.30 | absentia | rdisc.c:1507: error: `sys_errlist' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 06:00.30 | absentia | rdisc.c:1507: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 06:00.31 | absentia | rdisc.c:1507: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 06:00.33 | absentia | make: *** [rdisc] Error 1 |
| 06:00.35 | absentia | FATAL: oemake failed |
| 06:00.37 | absentia | same as before |
| 06:00.39 | absentia | sys_errlist isn't included. |
| 06:02.35 | absentia | so what do I do ? |
| 06:02.47 | absentia | I put an include in stdio.h to include the errlist |
| 06:03.29 | kergoth | ls -l tmp/stamps/*uclibc* |
| 06:04.24 | absentia | ? |
| 06:04.51 | absentia | lotsa 0 length files |
| 06:06.50 | kergoth | it built uclibc. |
| 06:07.00 | kergoth | your OEFILES set didnt work |
| 06:07.01 | kergoth | which is why it failed again |
| 06:07.14 | absentia | ya? |
| 06:07.20 | absentia | what shuold not be in there? |
| 06:07.51 | absentia | echo $OEFILES | tr ' ' '\012' | egrep -i ucli |
| 06:07.51 | absentia | scottyelich [713]> |
| 06:08.40 | kergoth | if uclibc isnt in OEFILES, it wont be built. |
| 06:08.44 | kergoth | wait, let me guess. |
| 06:08.50 | absentia | right ? |
| 06:08.50 | kergoth | you didnt remove OEFILES from local.conf the way i told you |
| 06:08.55 | absentia | bingo |
| 06:08.57 | kergoth | it prefers that to the env |
| 06:09.03 | kergoth | so its getting all the .oe's |
| 06:09.08 | kergoth | kill that off, then it should be happy |
| 06:09.20 | absentia | OEFILES="/oe/packages/*/*.oe" |
| 06:09.25 | absentia | do I ahve to remote tmp again? |
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| 06:09.49 | kergoth | absentia: yup, uclibc crap is out there, cant have that. only one c lib at a time |
| 06:09.55 | absentia | ok |
| 06:09.57 | absentia | rming |
| 06:09.57 | kergoth | i hope you have ccache installed |
| 06:09.58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:10.02 | absentia | ys |
| 06:10.07 | kergoth | good |
| 06:10.13 | absentia | which ccache |
| 06:10.14 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:10.19 | kergoth | good good |
| 06:10.45 | absentia | btw.. systems shuld always honor env vars over file entries. |
| 06:11.04 | absentia | (obviously, security conscious) |
| 06:11.33 | kergoth | i suppose, except in the case of a few specific areas |
| 06:11.46 | kergoth | for example, qtopia's source tree has to be in QPEDIR |
| 06:12.03 | kergoth | if oe builds qtopia, we nee dto ensure that qtopia apps we build have the correct QPEDIR, not the one you may have in your environment |
| 06:12.14 | kergoth | fyi, this behaves like make does. |
| 06:12.22 | kergoth | make doesnt obey env over its own vars unless you run it with -e |
| 06:12.35 | kergoth | or specify on the cmdline |
| 06:12.42 | absentia | yes |
| 06:12.45 | absentia | that's acceptable. |
| 06:12.46 | kergoth | (oebuild/oemake doenst support cmdline specified vars) |
| 06:12.50 | absentia | an option to ignore env is fine. |
| 06:13.02 | kergoth | default is not obey env |
| 06:13.09 | kergoth | the option is to force env override |
| 06:13.13 | kergoth | thats gnu make behavior |
| 06:13.22 | kergoth | it obeys an env var if it isnt set in the makefiles |
| 06:13.38 | cyn | its files have precedence, makes sense |
| 06:13.50 | cyn | s/files/declarations/ |
| 06:14.00 | kergoth | yep. otherwise its too easy for your build environment to fuck up the build. |
| 06:14.12 | kergoth | i'll add a -e option, could be useful for certain cases |
| 06:14.14 | absentia | right, but this is a special case. |
| 06:14.44 | kergoth | well, the easy way would be if oebuild/oemake supported cmdline specified env vars, ala make |
| 06:14.50 | kergoth | course then we'd hit the cmdline length limit anyway.. |
| 06:14.53 | kergoth | i'll add a -e opt |
| 06:14.57 | cyn | heh |
| 06:15.35 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.36 | absentia | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 06:15.36 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.36 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.36 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.36 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.38 | absentia | OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/disks/disk1/scott-CDs/01-JAN-2004/cd-zaurus/oe/packages/*' |
| 06:15.54 | absentia | ya, that env var is gonna hit a limit soon :-) |
| 06:16.12 | kergoth | heh, something is up with your local.conf if you see that traceback failure |
| 06:16.47 | absentia | cat /oe/packages/conf/local.conf |
| 06:16.47 | absentia | TARGET_ARCH=arm |
| 06:16.47 | absentia | DL_DIR="/oe/downloads" |
| 06:16.47 | absentia | OEDIR="/oe/oe" |
| 06:17.18 | kergoth | well, i dunno what to tell you. that * is coming from somewhere. |
| 06:17.25 | absentia | I know! |
| 06:17.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:19.27 | absentia | hmmm |
| 06:19.41 | absentia | load_oefile ... can't seem to edit that file. was gonna print out some values. |
| 06:19.54 | kergoth | load_oefile is a function in oemake |
| 06:19.57 | kergoth | bk edit bin/oemake |
| 06:20.00 | kergoth | vi bin/oemake |
| 06:21.10 | absentia | OEFILE[ `ls ] ok |
| 06:21.10 | absentia | OEFILE[ */*.oe|egrep ] ok |
| 06:21.39 | absentia | echo "$OEFILES" |
| 06:21.39 | absentia | Word too long. |
| 06:21.40 | absentia | heheh |
| 06:22.00 | absentia | something's foo'd beyond all recognition. |
| 06:22.15 | kergoth | heh, dupm the list into local.conf the way i suggested earlier, bypass the issue |
| 06:22.28 | absentia | hahahahahaha |
| 06:22.37 | absentia | OEFILES=`ls */*.oe|egrep -i -v "binutils-cross|uclibc| |
| 06:22.37 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.37 | absentia | E=aalib/aalib_1.4rc5.oe acpid/acpid_1.0.2.oe alsa-lib/alsa-lib_0.9.8.oe alsa-oss/alsa-oss_0.9.8.oe alsa-utils/alsa-ut |
| 06:22.43 | absentia | nice var name! |
| 06:22.59 | kergoth | hah |
| 06:23.30 | absentia | unsetenv OEFILES=`ls */*.oe|egrep -i -v "binutils-cross|uclibc| \*-initial | gcc-cross | avr-libc"`= |
| 06:23.40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:24.09 | absentia | how do I uncheck out the bin/oemake ? |
| 06:24.35 | kergoth | bk unedit bin/oemake |
| 06:24.45 | kergoth | that toss your local changes and automatically recheck it back out |
| 06:24.54 | absentia | ok |
| 06:24.58 | absentia | I undid my changes |
| 06:25.43 | absentia | setenv | egrep -i oe |
| 06:25.45 | absentia | looks clean |
| 06:25.46 | absentia | no OEFILES |
| 06:26.06 | absentia | ok, just set |
| 06:26.09 | absentia | variable is sane |
| 06:26.11 | absentia | only one of'm too |
| 06:26.18 | absentia | removing tmp, doing again. |
| 06:26.39 | absentia | no error from oemake |
| 06:26.40 | kergoth | hehe. well, at least it looks like your build will be pretty sane once we get the oefiles set right |
| 06:26.43 | kergoth | cool |
| 06:28.26 | absentia | ok, I'm going to go to bed shortly |
| 06:28.30 | absentia | will you be 'round tomorrow? |
| 06:28.54 | kergoth | some errands to run, but ill be around on occasion |
| 06:29.00 | absentia | ok |
| 06:29.04 | absentia | hopefully this will just work |
| 06:29.07 | absentia | thanks again |
| 06:29.11 | CosmicPenguin | treke: unless you're asleep, I've committed the pixil code - but heaven knows if Sourceforge CVS will agree |
| 06:29.21 | kergoth | no problem, thanks for your patience |
| 06:29.39 | absentia | my patience? |
| 06:29.44 | kergoth | with the system |
| 06:29.47 | absentia | people have called me the most patient person in the world. |
| 06:30.10 | absentia | I expect computers not to work. I'm comfortable with that. |
| 06:30.30 | absentia | I'm also comfortable knowing that if it works for everyone else in the world, it will break for me (or I will break it without trying) |
| 06:30.51 | absentia | I use to walk into a giant gas station in nm.. across from where I lived... |
| 06:30.56 | absentia | their registers would crash. |
| 06:31.03 | absentia | happens at chase banks... |
| 06:31.23 | absentia | just coincidence... but I don't sweat the wait... |
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| 06:31.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:32.44 | absentia | ha |
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| 06:33.19 | kergoth | excellent, i got a full packages build with the new 3.3.2 chain, no problems |
| 06:33.36 | Pendalar | hot damn! |
| 06:33.41 | Pendalar | =-) |
| 06:34.06 | kergoth | now, i wonder if opie will build with it happily |
| 06:34.10 | kergoth | i think its about time i added it to oe |
| 06:34.26 | Pendalar | think it'll be offical by sunday ish? |
| 06:34.31 | absentia | I wrote an irc bot.. a long time ago.. that was an irc op.. it could "watch" people.. I had it watch me.... and then I told it to kill me... well, whenever anyone killed someone it was watching, it would require them to apologize, or it would kill them.. so, it asked itself to apologize for killing me, but it refused to do so, so it killed itself, then it demanded that it apologize to itself for killing itself.. and just went on it |
| 06:34.49 | kergoth | hah |
| 06:35.06 | absentia | until I killed the process.. that was neat. then there was the time it refused to listen to my command inputs, and left all channels that it was on when I joined.. and put me on ignore when I used /msgs and sent command inputs. |
| 06:35.57 | absentia | one time, I joined irc.. and the nick was taken when I launched the bot.. so I looked, sure 'nuff, the bot was running.. i guess I had forgotten to shut it down... I contacted it and it reponded in spanish.. apparently it had been tormenting some spanish channel all night.. |
| 06:36.28 | absentia | and didn't make many friends as it pickedup some of the most filthy spanish there is... I have no idea what it all means, but people told me it wasn't good. |
| 06:37.26 | absentia | ah, ok,... good night. I'm going to dream of algorithms and processors |
| 06:37.33 | kergoth | night |
| 06:39.57 | gb2 | brrrr |
| 06:39.59 | gb2 | lotsa snow |
| 06:42.22 | absentia | re from 760 |
| 06:43.31 | kergoth | ugh, my glibc install-others installs a ton of crap we dont need in either staging or cross.. |
| 06:43.45 | kergoth | and the gcc-lib path for the gcc-cross is wrong.. |
| 06:43.46 | kergoth | hrm |
| 07:40.40 | Disconnect | evening (morningish) all |
| 07:41.54 | kergoth | hey Disconnect |
| 07:43.23 | Disconnect | hows things? |
| 07:53.29 | Disconnect | god damnit. this stupid desktop keeps oopsing in do_generic_file_read.. same place every time. |
| 07:54.02 | Disconnect | never buy an nforce2 mobo. |
| 07:54.10 | Disconnect | just .. ugh. |
| 07:54.40 | Disconnect | gb2: snow where? |
| 08:12.57 | mithro | how goes the key stuff? |
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| 08:50.10 | Soopaman | hola |
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| 12:05.59 | Twiun | g'afternoon folks |
| 12:07.14 | darkschneider | lo Twiun |
| 12:07.26 | darkschneider | Twiun: late wake up :) (like me) |
| 12:08.43 | Twiun | darkschneider: nah, had to go to the vet for the cat's regular visit |
| 12:09.06 | darkschneider | hoo, kitty :) |
| 12:09.28 | darkschneider | me too tired for anything, working on arm is complex for my poor brain... |
| 12:09.59 | pb_ | hi Twiun |
| 12:10.10 | darkschneider | thu i will test the reat time kernel on the arm |
| 12:10.31 | darkschneider | s/reat/real |
| 12:13.12 | Twiun | :) |
| 12:13.16 | Twiun | hey pb_ |
| 12:17.19 | Twiun | nice to see spencer saying hi on the forums :) |
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| 12:59.05 | mickeyl | *yawn* |
| 13:18.03 | mickeyl | 860 kernel source out! |
| 13:18.05 | mickeyl | http://developer.ezaurus.com/sl_j/source/c860/20031107/linux-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix-slc860-20031107-rom1_10.bz2 |
| 13:18.12 | mickeyl | grab it while it's hot :) |
| 13:18.22 | mickeyl | only 4 weeks after it has been made... they're getting faster |
| 13:18.54 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 13:19.26 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 13:19.32 | TheMasterMind1 | like anything changed with the 860 |
| 13:19.45 | mickeyl | no matter if something changed |
| 13:19.51 | mickeyl | but we get an updated patch for the rest of the models |
| 13:19.54 | mickeyl | that's what counts :) |
| 13:25.32 | mickeyl | ugh! |
| 13:25.35 | mickeyl | lol |
| 13:25.37 | mickeyl | hahahaha |
| 13:25.42 | mickeyl | ibot: boxer |
| 13:25.43 | | mickeyl: are you using Windows? |
| 13:25.56 | mickeyl | ibot: boxer is Sharp SL-C860, or a dog. |
| 13:25.57 | | mickeyl: okay |
| 13:26.12 | mickeyl | a new dog |
| 13:26.14 | mickeyl | hurray |
| 13:28.17 | mickeyl | hah! |
| 13:28.19 | mickeyl | and like i said |
| 13:28.24 | mickeyl | usb-storage is in kernel |
| 13:28.36 | mickeyl | so we'll get that for the old ones, too |
| 13:29.08 | mickeyl | no to see where the differences are... |
| 13:30.04 | mickeyl | hah |
| 13:30.13 | mickeyl | nada |
| 13:30.21 | mickeyl | just enabling the usb-storage |
| 13:30.24 | mickeyl | that's all |
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| 13:31.22 | mickeyl | lol... their engineers even can't spell their own codenames |
| 13:31.28 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.35 | mickeyl | wtf is a Shaphard? :D |
| 13:32.36 | pb_ | heh |
| 13:32.40 | darkschneider | lol |
| 13:33.13 | darkschneider | Shaphard = sheap made of stone |
| 13:33.18 | mickeyl | hehehe |
| 13:33.19 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 13:33.25 | darkschneider | :P |
| 13:37.07 | mickeyl | k, now on to comparing a complete shepherd tree against a boxer tree to see if that's really all |
| 13:39.54 | mickeyl | hmm interesting |
| 13:40.19 | mickeyl | contains more #ifdef ARCH_PXA_SHEPHERD than before... |
| 13:40.21 | mickeyl | good thing |
| 13:40.58 | mickeyl | (in that we actually get more current patches and not only a new def-config ;) |
| 13:41.19 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 13:41.28 | mickeyl | pb_: you there? |
| 13:42.16 | mickeyl | + * 15-Oct-2003 Sharp fix icache flush |
| 13:42.19 | pb_ | mickeyl: yo |
| 13:42.23 | mickeyl | in proc-xscale.S |
| 13:42.35 | mickeyl | and then 10 lines of arm asm |
| 13:42.39 | mickeyl | andy idea what's that about? |
| 13:49.05 | pb_ | dunno. what does the assembler look like? |
| 13:51.47 | mickeyl | +ENTRY(cpu_xscale_cache_clean_invalidate_range) |
| 13:51.47 | mickeyl | + bic r0, r0, #CACHELINESIZE - 1 @ round down to cache line |
| 13:51.47 | mickeyl | + sub r3, r1, r0 |
| 13:51.47 | mickeyl | + cmp r3, #MAX_AREA_SIZE |
| 13:51.47 | mickeyl | + bhi cpu_xscale_cache_clean_invalidate_all_r2 |
| 13:51.48 | mickeyl | + mov r3, r0 |
| 13:51.50 | mickeyl | +1: clean_d_line r0 @ Clean D cache line |
| 13:51.52 | mickeyl | + mcr p15, 0, r0, c7, c6, 1 @ Invalidate D cache line |
| 13:51.54 | mickeyl | and a few lines more |
| 13:52.30 | mickeyl | the comments are: @ Drain Write (& Fill) Buffer, @ Invalidate I cache line, and @ Invalidate BTB |
| 13:52.59 | pb_ | hm, that looks much like the code that we had there before. bizarre. |
| 13:53.25 | pb_ | ENTRY(cpu_xscale_cache_clean_invalidate_range) |
| 13:53.25 | pb_ | bicr0, r0, #CACHELINESIZE - 1@ round down to cache line |
| 13:53.25 | pb_ | subr3, r1, r0 |
| 13:53.25 | pb_ | cmpr3, #MAX_AREA_SIZE |
| 13:53.25 | pb_ | bhicpu_xscale_cache_clean_invalidate_all_r2 |
| 13:53.26 | pb_ | 1:clean_d_line r0@ Clean D cache line |
| 13:53.28 | pb_ | mcrp15, 0, r0, c7, c6, 1@ Invalidate D cache line |
| 13:53.30 | pb_ | and so on. |
| 14:00.06 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 14:00.16 | mickeyl | odd |
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| 15:01.27 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:35.50 | kergoth | morning |
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| 15:41.32 | mickeyl | hey k |
| 15:41.40 | mickeyl | read the last 100 lines from this # |
| 15:41.44 | mickeyl | interesting news |
| 15:41.48 | mickeyl | well... more or less :) |
| 15:43.02 | kergoth | 860 already.. cool |
| 15:43.07 | kergoth | i figured itd be another month or two |
| 15:43.09 | mickeyl | quick this time! |
| 15:43.12 | mickeyl | yeah me too |
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| 16:34.55 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl: so whats this arm asm thing? |
| 16:35.03 | mickeyl | no idea |
| 16:35.12 | mickeyl | that's why i asked a kernel guy :) |
| 16:35.17 | chouimat | hi TheMasterMind1 mickeyl |
| 16:35.20 | mickeyl | hi chouimat |
| 16:35.40 | chouimat | hmmmm hi need something to do today |
| 16:35.49 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: have I got a job for you |
| 16:36.01 | mickeyl | chouimat: find out why cardmgr oopses frequently |
| 16:37.12 | chouimat | mickeyl: in which rom? |
| 16:38.48 | mickeyl | collie-gcc2 |
| 16:39.26 | mickeyl | it hasn't crashed for me on the collie-gcc3 |
| 16:39.36 | mickeyl | need to test more |
| 16:40.40 | chouimat | seems to work well with gcc3 here |
| 16:42.52 | treke|home | mornin |
| 16:44.15 | mickeyl | hi treke |
| 16:44.22 | chouimat | hi treke |
| 16:48.58 | treke|home | kernel still not working? |
| 16:49.10 | mickeyl | no, build not finished :) |
| 16:49.21 | mickeyl | and i had to adapt a few packages on the way... |
| 16:49.24 | treke|home | oh :) |
| 16:49.49 | mickeyl | but getting there... |
| 16:50.11 | treke|home | i'm running head on my husky right now |
| 16:50.39 | treke|home | working ok so far |
| 16:50.47 | chouimat | treke: opie head? |
| 16:50.52 | treke|home | chouimat: yes. |
| 16:51.07 | chouimat | treke|home: what's mew? |
| 16:51.17 | treke|home | chouimat: Read the cvs logs |
| 16:57.45 | mickeyl | hehe |
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| 16:57.56 | mickeyl | "What Sharp should do is release the specs of their hardware and let open source developers hit home on it. Drop the Sharp ROM as well and instate Opie for the Zaurus line as OS. Maybe even hire mickeyl and kergoth to work on it fulltime, as well as a person or two to develop Windows and Mac software " |
| 16:58.07 | mickeyl | (from zaurususergroup.com) |
| 16:58.19 | mickeyl | amen to that |
| 16:58.21 | mickeyl | :) |
| 17:01.21 | Soopaman | that does make sense |
| 17:01.41 | Soopaman | since you guys and others do the grunt of the work, that they seem unable, or just uncommited to |
| 17:13.52 | chouimat | is sourcecrap cvs down again? |
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| 17:14.19 | CosmicPenguin | probably |
| 17:14.41 | chouimat | ok ... |
| 17:15.03 | CosmicPenguin | Holy crap, will wonders never cease |
| 17:15.14 | chouimat | ? |
| 17:15.29 | CosmicPenguin | my CVS changes to pixdev are actually showing in the cvsweb browser |
| 17:15.37 | treke|home | hehe |
| 17:16.16 | CosmicPenguin | I am so shocked |
| 17:16.47 | chouimat | I love leaving here .... i think we only have 3 days without any winds in a year ... outside it's -12C but with today winds it's -26C |
| 17:17.01 | chouimat | humidity 72% <--- this is a killer |
| 17:19.50 | absentia | the oemake -a failed at iputils again |
| 17:20.00 | absentia | probably that missing include for sys_errlist |
| 17:20.15 | treke|home | so dont build iputils |
| 17:21.10 | pb_ | yeah, I've always found iputils is bad news in cold weather. |
| 17:24.43 | treke|home | ugh. I hate this fucking "set date" poup on opie |
| 17:24.50 | treke|home | half the time it freezes at it |
| 17:25.20 | chouimat | i hate when people send html only mail on mailinglist |
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| 17:49.15 | treke|home | did kergoth ever get his magnia working? |
| 17:50.59 | treke|home | hmm. I love how sf cvs just randomly fails four times and then works |
| 17:51.27 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 17:52.46 | treke|home | cool. Sharp was pretty quick about the 860 source release |
| 17:58.20 | absentia | remaking |
| 18:22.14 | cyn | treke|home: is the 860 even available yet ? heh |
| 18:23.25 | absentia | yes |
| 18:23.31 | absentia | some have been received |
| 18:23.39 | cyn | cool |
| 18:23.42 | absentia | a guy did a nand on 860 and loaded it on a 760 |
| 18:24.06 | absentia | 860 called itself shepard? |
| 18:24.08 | absentia | I think it was said. |
| 18:24.50 | cyn | wait I thought there already was a shepard |
| 18:25.13 | absentia | yup |
| 18:25.26 | cyn | shepherd == c750 ya |
| 18:25.53 | pb_ | apparently the c860 is "boxer". |
| 18:26.04 | cyn | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1299 |
| 18:26.13 | cyn | that could be ... usefully delicious |
| 18:26.22 | cyn | and its been there like 3 months |
| 18:29.03 | absentia | o, back to ncurses.. still making. |
| 18:36.54 | gb2 | the sharp c760 rom calls itself shepherd too |
| 18:37.41 | treke|home | sharps image called itself husky didnt it? |
| 18:37.47 | gb2 | mine didn't |
| 18:37.58 | treke|home | hmm. |
| 18:38.13 | gb2 | all 3 are the same hardware except for ram/flash |
| 18:38.25 | gb2 | so *shrug* |
| 18:46.30 | absentia | nwn :-) |
| 18:47.54 | absentia | ok |
| 18:47.57 | absentia | alsa utils failed |
| 18:48.00 | absentia | should I also not make that ? |
| 18:53.28 | absentia | do I need to make pkgconfig ? |
| 18:53.31 | absentia | it failed too |
| 18:59.32 | mewyn | treke: do you remember the password for sycing on oz 3.2? |
| 19:07.50 | treke|home | rootme |
| 19:07.52 | treke|home | I think |
| 19:07.55 | absentia | ok |
| 19:07.58 | absentia | I skipped that one package |
| 19:08.04 | absentia | and now every next package is failing |
| 19:21.21 | absentia | fuck ya! |
| 19:21.26 | absentia | crashes opera... by typing "z" "z" |
| 19:21.32 | absentia | fucking god damn piece of shit code |
| 19:22.42 | absentia | godo thing I wasn't reading zug or any of those shitty nuke bbses.. or all the threads would be marked as read. |
| 19:29.59 | treke|home | hmmm it gets even better. half the calls ont hese bills are for work. |
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| 19:35.14 | Twiun | howdy |
| 19:35.31 | absentia | hi |
| 19:35.43 | Twiun | absentia: sounds like the windows three-fingered-salute |
| 19:35.50 | absentia | ? |
| 19:36.01 | Twiun | 19:19 < absentia> crashes opera... by typing "z" "z" |
| 19:36.09 | absentia | ya |
| 19:36.17 | absentia | you can crash opera by clicking twice quickly... anywhere |
| 19:36.20 | Twiun | yah know, having to salute windows after a BSOD, with ctrl-alt-delete |
| 19:36.23 | absentia | but I didn't know the same was true for pressing a key! |
| 19:36.27 | Twiun | aka "three-fingered-salute" |
| 19:36.30 | absentia | sure |
| 19:36.53 | absentia | I had clearned my screen, I didn't connect your response to my statement from (so) long ago. |
| 19:37.07 | Twiun | ahhh |
| 19:37.22 | absentia | the oemake -a |
| 19:37.26 | absentia | is a big steaming pile... |
| 19:37.28 | Twiun | I try to read everything that happens from the time I go afk |
| 19:37.31 | absentia | it needs a proper salute. |
| 19:37.41 | absentia | I do't bother. |
| 19:37.42 | Twiun | breaks badly? or awkward to setup? |
| 19:37.56 | absentia | every package is failing now, past a certain point. |
| 19:38.04 | absentia | I've tried taking out the ones that fail, but the next just fails, etc. |
| 19:38.15 | Twiun | what's the last successful one? |
| 19:38.32 | absentia | not sure... I'll do another build when kergoth returns |
| 19:38.36 | Twiun | ok |
| 19:38.38 | absentia | it's failing on uclibc or something |
| 19:38.47 | absentia | so if I don't build that |
| 19:38.57 | absentia | it then fails on iputils |
| 19:39.00 | absentia | then if I comment that |
| 19:39.04 | absentia | it fails alsa-utils |
| 19:39.06 | absentia | if I comment that |
| 19:39.09 | absentia | it fails on pkgconf |
| 19:39.16 | absentia | so I gave up |
| 19:39.29 | Twiun | from my vague memory this will happen when there's an equal provides (uclibc and glibc) it'll build both but the packages afterwards are confused about which to link against |
| 19:39.31 | absentia | I figured I must be doing something wrong. |
| 19:39.57 | absentia | I think I saw an error relating to something similar to that type of idea. |
| 19:40.14 | Twiun | all we need to figure out is how to exclude one of them |
| 19:40.19 | absentia | I'm reading the sysadmin vs developer bitchfest on slashdot. |
| 19:40.34 | Twiun | lol - haven't seen it yet, but I've done both |
| 19:40.44 | absentia | then you should read the stuff |
| 19:40.46 | Twiun | different skillsets in my opinion, both important |
| 19:40.48 | absentia | 98% of it is garbage |
| 19:40.51 | absentia | but some useful insights |
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| 19:43.50 | treke|home | absentia: good description of slashdot in general |
| 19:44.08 | Twiun | yeah, bring your bag of salt |
| 19:44.51 | absentia | ya |
| 19:44.56 | absentia | you just have to wade through all the bs |
| 19:46.36 | Twiun | I see it a bit as a geek-tabloid |
| 19:46.43 | absentia | yup |
| 19:46.48 | absentia | I mostly juse url mine it |
| 19:46.51 | Twiun | entertainment with the odd factual reality |
| 19:46.58 | Twiun | yeah, that's useful too |
| 19:47.05 | absentia | ya, but where it differs from a tabloid |
| 19:47.09 | absentia | is that the opinions are across the board |
| 19:47.26 | absentia | hence, it can open your eyes to some other points of view. |
| 19:47.34 | absentia | even if they are ... tangential to reality. |
| 19:48.02 | treke|home | tangential to reality is impressive on slashdot. |
| 19:48.05 | absentia | remember, most people have a dysfunctional ability to think properly. |
| 19:48.11 | treke|home | Usually it's parallel :) |
| 19:48.15 | absentia | true |
| 19:48.17 | absentia | no intersection |
| 19:48.29 | absentia | I was thinking that the post was the single point of connection. |
| 19:48.35 | treke|home | ah |
| 19:48.36 | Twiun | lol |
| 19:49.04 | absentia | I'm still working on it... |
| 19:49.36 | absentia | but my explanation of what it means to me to be a sysadmin... does include the fact that I should be mostly transparent to users, etc. |
| 19:49.44 | absentia | but I don't think PHBs get that. |
| 19:50.15 | absentia | in corporate world, knowledge is power.. when someone doesn't share knowledge or perms to do something, then when that function needs to be performed, that person needs to be called |
| 19:50.20 | absentia | ie: power, job security, the person is known,. |
| 19:50.22 | treke|home | someone should teach that to the admins at corporate |
| 19:50.28 | absentia | so, in corporate mindset, THAT person is important... |
| 19:50.36 | treke|home | any time they make a change, people notice right away :) |
| 19:50.47 | treke|home | since the system breaks horribly shortly after |
| 19:51.02 | absentia | yet, it's better to spread that knowledge.. .and prevent the issue from occuring in the first place, but if it DOES, then *anyone* with the knowledge and perms can rectify it.. |
| 19:51.07 | absentia | but that's not how corporations work. |
| 19:51.44 | absentia | there's a difference between transparent sysadmins and visible system changes. |
| 19:52.11 | absentia | the first thing I do anywhere is take the personal names out of email requests for work. |
| 19:52.23 | treke|home | absentia: Right, and there is a difference between visible system changes and admins making changes that take the system down for a day :) |
| 19:52.37 | absentia | I implement shared email distribution lists... you submit requests to this general name, not a specific person... etc. |
| 19:52.58 | absentia | treke: yes, that's the difference between a good admin and a bad one, etc. |
| 19:53.13 | absentia | if you have to fix the fix, you did it wrong in the first place. |
| 19:53.28 | absentia | what do you do ? |
| 19:54.02 | treke|home | absentia: General it/admin/programming at the school |
| 19:54.16 | absentia | what is the school? |
| 19:54.23 | treke|home | Brooks institute. |
| 19:54.30 | treke|home | photography and film making schoo |
| 19:54.34 | absentia | how many others do what you do? in your area? |
| 19:54.57 | treke|home | I'm the only person at this campus. There are others at different campus. Some float around on days |
| 19:55.12 | treke|home | But our real mission critical is run by the corporate office out of chicago |
| 19:55.19 | treke|home | and thats the thing we have problems with |
| 19:55.33 | absentia | how many devices / people do you deal with in your area? |
| 19:55.54 | treke|home | Only about 60 or so. |
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| 19:55.57 | treke|home | not too many. |
| 19:56.28 | absentia | that's still a lot for 1 person |
| 19:56.44 | treke|home | Most of it runs smoothly. Locally we have a pretty stable set up. |
| 19:58.11 | treke|home | most of the local problems are from the phones and alarm systems. |
| 19:59.08 | treke|home | and those are primarily cause by not knowing anything about them :) |
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| 20:15.01 | absentia | crasged opera again |
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| 20:28.17 | absentia | opera crashed |
| 20:28.53 | absentia | peace [109]> Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 20:28.53 | absentia | [1] Exit 139 opera |
| 20:28.53 | absentia | peace [109]> opera & |
| 20:28.53 | absentia | [1] 8610 |
| 20:28.55 | absentia | all day |
| 20:29.58 | Twiun | hrm |
| 20:30.02 | Twiun | straced it? |
| 20:30.08 | absentia | no |
| 20:30.16 | absentia | I'm sure I'll get a reference through a null pointer. |
| 20:30.41 | Twiun | trying to run it under 3.3.5? |
| 20:30.51 | absentia | no |
| 20:30.58 | absentia | linux opera 6.x under freebsd |
| 20:31.03 | absentia | 5.1 |
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| 20:32.02 | Twiun | ahhhh |
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| 20:39.18 | CIA | repository=03buildroot user=11mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de |
| 20:39.18 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.1380 prepare for OpenIpaq 3.3.5 release |
| 20:39.42 | treke|home | w00t |
| 20:40.05 | _Psycho | oooh ! |
| 20:41.17 | absentia | ? |
| 20:42.05 | treke|home | mickey almost has an ipaq build done |
| 20:42.31 | pb_ | sounds cool |
| 20:44.07 | treke|home | still only supports up to 3800, but I'll probably fix that after the oe migration |
| 20:44.16 | treke|home | buildroot was getting to be a mess |
| 20:45.59 | pb_ | right |
| 21:01.13 | chouimat | I have my balls frozen |
| 21:01.52 | pb_ | congratulations |
| 21:02.13 | chouimat | pb_: -20C |
| 21:02.27 | pb_ | yow. |
| 21:02.39 | pb_ | chouimat: you need to move to a warmer country. |
| 21:02.59 | chouimat | ya but warmer country don't speak french |
| 21:03.11 | pb_ | france, for example :-) |
| 21:03.19 | Twiun | chouimat: martinique? Madagascar? |
| 21:04.12 | chouimat | pb_: France don't use 120V so I need to change my equipment ... and anyway french or english it's just a language |
| 21:04.57 | pb_ | true enough |
| 21:04.58 | chouimat | Twiun: can we stay in developed country please |
| 21:05.11 | Twiun | chouimat: lol |
| 21:05.28 | Twiun | chouimat: monaco? |
| 21:05.52 | chouimat | Twiun: i say developed country ... not one based on casino economy |
| 21:06.28 | Twiun | chouimat: bah, you're just never satisfied |
| 21:07.05 | chouimat | Twiun: that's my french side speaking |
| 21:07.21 | Twiun | chouimat: please tell me to exorcised the american side? |
| 21:07.49 | chouimat | Twiun: canadian side |
| 21:09.03 | Twiun | chouimat: truly canadian, not americanadian? |
| 21:09.29 | chouimat | Twiun: I take what suite me in both culture available here ... |
| 21:35.31 | Twiun | now that's something I didn't dare do on mdk |
| 21:35.58 | treke|home | hehe |
| 21:37.09 | Twiun | granted, I'm doing this in vmware and don't fear hosing my system... but still |
| 21:38.36 | Twiun | the sid install isos were useless, but the stable installtion is upgrading to unstable nicely |
| 21:38.57 | treke|home | thats the best way to go about doing it |
| 21:39.12 | treke|home | Twiun: It also does a respectable job at downgrading |
| 21:41.52 | Twiun | certainly takes time |
| 21:42.03 | Twiun | and this is on a barebone install |
| 21:46.48 | Twiun | kergoth: apparently the libtool guys respond well to threats of forking |
| 21:49.28 | treke|home | haha |
| 21:49.31 | treke|home | they fixed something? |
| 21:49.56 | Twiun | Dalibor from #kaffe was getting tired of his bug reports being ignored so he threatened |
| 21:50.08 | Twiun | so lo and behold, bugs fixed |
| 21:50.38 | _Psycho | damn i love ftp.debian.org its so fast |
| 21:51.56 | Twiun | treke|home: one of the latest fixes in cvs is not starting a new shell for every single test |
| 21:52.23 | Twiun | in autoconf that is |
| 21:52.47 | Twiun | erm... no, no libtool |
| 21:52.57 | Twiun | I'm following too many conversations |
| 21:56.33 | treke|home | hehe |
| 21:56.39 | mickeyl | sounds familiar... |
| 21:57.59 | Twiun | so I'm thinking that should help some of the oe builds if we manage to get them to use a common libtool |
| 21:58.13 | Twiun | especially those that configure 15k times |
| 21:59.01 | Twiun | </exagerations> |
| 21:59.17 | mickeyl | treke: quick check - h3600 supports ipaqs 31xx, 36xx, 37xx + 38xx, right? |
| 21:59.31 | treke|home | 3600, 3700, and 3800 |
| 21:59.37 | treke|home | never built any 3100 images |
| 21:59.51 | mickeyl | well, 3100 is iirc the same just without color display |
| 21:59.56 | mickeyl | (same as h3600) |
| 22:00.04 | mickeyl | anyone to confirm?= |
| 22:00.05 | treke|home | needs a different jffs2 image |
| 22:00.16 | mickeyl | why? |
| 22:00.29 | treke|home | Dunno the reasons, just that it cant use the same jffs2 settings |
| 22:00.39 | mickeyl | hmm... guess i wait for a guinea pig :D |
| 22:01.26 | treke|home | No one ever wanted it, and I cant imagine the 3100 is all that popular these days |
| 22:01.38 | absentia | re |
| 22:03.52 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 22:04.03 | absentia | has kergoth showed up ? |
| 22:04.28 | Twiun | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 22:04.30 | | kergoth is currently on #pet (2d 17h 54m 18s) #uclibc (2d 17h 54m 18s) #zaurus (2d 17h 54m 18s) #elinux (2d 17h 54m 18s) #openembedded (2d 17h 54m 18s) #magnia (2d 17h 54m 18s) #handhelds.org (2d 17h 54m 18s) #openzaurus (2d 17h 54m 18s) #tacobeam (2d 17h 54m 18s). Has said a total of 1561 messages. Is idling for 6h 21m 23s |
| 22:04.31 | _Psycho | i saw him talk this morning |
| 22:04.33 | mickeyl | treke: btw., you're right... ymodem gains 4 out of 26 minutes here :D |
| 22:04.42 | treke|home | hehe |
| 22:04.45 | _Psycho | but thats 6h21 min ago ! :) |
| 22:04.48 | chouimat | mickeyl: nice improvment |
| 22:04.52 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:04.53 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 22:05.21 | mickeyl | programming flash.... erasing.... |
| 22:05.49 | chouimat | 3100? |
| 22:05.52 | mickeyl | 3650 |
| 22:06.06 | mickeyl | bootldr is great |
| 22:06.17 | mickeyl | can't wait to have something like that on Z |
| 22:06.23 | treke|home | mickeyl: The installer sash wrote is pretty cool. |
| 22:06.48 | mickeyl | treke: yeah looks nice. i talked to him. we're gonna steal the idea but do it even prettier. |
| 22:06.53 | mickeyl | :D |
| 22:06.58 | treke|home | hehe |
| 22:07.04 | chouimat | hmmm only the h2210 available here |
| 22:07.15 | treke|home | mickeyl: We need to get his kernel source |
| 22:07.25 | mickeyl | treke: he will publish next week |
| 22:07.28 | treke|home | cool. |
| 22:07.40 | treke|home | mickeyl: He changes the default rotation to landscape mode |
| 22:07.47 | mickeyl | treke: but there's nothing interesting. he grabbed the same patch as you did from that site. this is why his console was faster |
| 22:07.49 | treke|home | In x it's a 6x speedup |
| 22:08.08 | mickeyl | 6x? |
| 22:08.09 | mickeyl | great |
| 22:08.12 | treke|home | Yeah. i imagine it's not that spectacular |
| 22:08.31 | mickeyl | qte is really too slow atm. |
| 22:08.33 | treke|home | I just dont want to hack the source to fix the default rotation :) |
| 22:08.48 | mickeyl | that's one for our kernel expert :)) |
| 22:08.56 | treke|home | mickeyl: He did it |
| 22:09.30 | mickeyl | we need to get OE building releases |
| 22:09.36 | mickeyl | then kergoth has more time for 2.4.21 |
| 22:09.40 | mickeyl | or even 2.6 |
| 22:09.43 | treke|home | or better yet, 2.6.0 |
| 22:09.44 | mickeyl | consolidated with hh.org |
| 22:09.46 | mickeyl | yeha |
| 22:09.47 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:09.59 | treke|home | I played with 2.6 a bit, but have no clue where to begin :) |
| 22:10.05 | treke|home | so I'll let kergoth do that |
| 22:16.38 | mickeyl | options spectrum_cs ignore_cis_vcc=1 |
| 22:16.41 | mickeyl | ups |
| 22:18.55 | mickeyl | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.4965.png |
| 22:18.58 | mickeyl | :D |
| 22:19.32 | Twiun | nicely done |
| 22:19.36 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:19.40 | mickeyl | btw., this is sysinfo from HEAD |
| 22:19.47 | mickeyl | which displays a nice device icon |
| 22:19.57 | mickeyl | depending on your device, that is |
| 22:19.58 | treke|home | cool. |
| 22:20.08 | treke|home | now make it fit on screen :p |
| 22:20.35 | mickeyl | you mean "logon to a computer with a shorter hostname while compiling the kernel" ? |
| 22:20.47 | treke|home | :p |
| 22:20.54 | mickeyl | no way |
| 22:20.55 | mickeyl | :D |
| 22:22.26 | Twiun | mickeyl: can't you fiddle with your hosts file to achieve that? |
| 22:22.34 | mickeyl | well... |
| 22:22.41 | mickeyl | i rather edit the source of sysinfo :) |
| 22:23.03 | mickeyl | "Compiled and Supported by: Twiun." |
| 22:23.11 | treke|home | perfect. |
| 22:23.27 | mickeyl | along with your email address hehe |
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| 22:24.37 | treke|home | should we include his phone number also? |
| 22:24.42 | mickeyl | sure why not |
| 22:29.36 | treke|home | mickeyl: the only thing we need to figure out is the touscheen code |
| 22:29.59 | W8TVI | # make work |
| 22:30.55 | mickeyl | treke: yeah |
| 22:31.06 | absentia | does oz rotate the screen automatically now ? |
| 22:31.11 | treke|home | absentia: no |
| 22:31.19 | mickeyl | but will next week, won't it? |
| 22:31.38 | treke|home | in theory |
| 22:31.50 | absentia | ok |
| 22:32.01 | absentia | sometimes it's the little things. |
| 22:32.08 | absentia | may I suggest a rotation "lock" button |
| 22:32.19 | treke|home | and sometimes it's the big things. |
| 22:32.47 | mickeyl | absentia: good idea! a rotation "lock" would be nice |
| 22:33.05 | absentia | :-) |
| 22:33.18 | Twiun | hmmm, maybe a preferred rotation for each physical state? |
| 22:33.28 | absentia | that too. |
| 22:33.42 | Twiun | I'd have more ideas if I had a c7x0 :) |
| 22:33.59 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:34.06 | absentia | I mean, if you're gonna add the code.. a simple code to write out settings so they're loaded next time... is great.. a preferred setting, and then a "lock" ... so you can override the default/preferred setting, etc. |
| 22:34.07 | mickeyl | we need donations |
| 22:34.26 | absentia | I think there was a second $100 |
| 22:34.32 | absentia | (and then the site went bewm?) |
| 22:34.38 | absentia | but I'll stand by that... |
| 22:36.25 | Twiun | I think that we probably want to wait until we can support contributors well before fishing for donations for hardware :) |
| 22:36.38 | Twiun | still not enough devs atm |
| 22:36.47 | mickeyl | d'oh.... sf.net down again? |
| 22:36.51 | absentia | not me |
| 22:38.00 | Twiun | *grin* http://fun.tmc.dyn.ee/404.html |
| 22:38.48 | mickeyl | lol |
| 22:40.02 | Twiun | deep voiced pingi on the front? |
| 22:40.07 | absentia | how do you ake a kernel ? |
| 22:41.19 | treke|home | and including usb mass storage support |
| 22:41.42 | treke|home | mickeyl: what do you think of 3.3.6.1? :p |
| 22:42.13 | mickeyl | treke: if you do it. i'm exhausted release-wise. other projects are calling loudly |
| 22:42.33 | Twiun | absentia: not possible currently with OE afaik, treke's probably using buildroot for it |
| 22:42.55 | treke|home | lets see how well this works |
| 22:43.03 | mickeyl | grrr what's with sf.net |
| 22:43.43 | mickeyl | treke: did you enable the CCRD clock stuff? |
| 22:44.06 | treke|home | CCRD clock? |
| 22:44.10 | treke|home | what is it? |
| 22:44.14 | mickeyl | no idea |
| 22:44.17 | mickeyl | kernel option |
| 22:44.23 | mickeyl | from the 750 patch |
| 22:44.24 | treke|home | whatever it is, it's in this patch |
| 22:46.07 | treke|home | how about FCSE? |
| 22:46.17 | absentia | too close to mcse |
| 22:46.22 | mickeyl | FCSE is important! |
| 22:46.25 | mickeyl | enable |
| 22:46.34 | mickeyl | fast context switch extension |
| 22:46.49 | treke|home | is that new? |
| 22:46.59 | mickeyl | since the first 750 patch |
| 22:47.05 | treke|home | cool. :) |
| 22:47.14 | treke|home | I'm going through the 860 patch. |
| 22:47.23 | treke|home | it applied and built cleany for the 760 |
| 22:47.39 | mickeyl | yep. and piro's 750 patch even applies clean on top of that :D |
| 22:47.47 | treke|home | yup |
| 22:47.49 | treke|home | I have both |
| 22:47.55 | treke|home | I just need to toss it on my device now |
| 22:48.00 | mickeyl | this is the kernel which i have built but couldn't test yet due to openipaq... |
| 22:48.05 | mickeyl | cool |
| 22:48.10 | mickeyl | test it. |
| 22:48.14 | mickeyl | if your husky explodes, tell me |
| 22:48.16 | treke|home | what does fcse do? |
| 22:48.24 | mickeyl | know what a context switch is? |
| 22:48.27 | treke|home | yes. |
| 22:48.39 | treke|home | I assume it does them faster :) |
| 22:48.42 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 22:48.46 | mickeyl | that's all you need to know |
| 22:48.50 | mickeyl | the details are scary |
| 22:48.51 | treke|home | ha |
| 22:49.00 | treke|home | End result it it should make some things faster? |
| 22:49.31 | mickeyl | should |
| 22:49.36 | mickeyl | hardly visible though |
| 22:49.43 | mickeyl | improves ns |
| 22:49.44 | treke|home | cool |
| 22:50.10 | treke|home | changes to powermanagement |
| 22:50.11 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 22:50.13 | mickeyl | interesting ones |
| 22:50.17 | mickeyl | know idea what they do though |
| 22:50.21 | mickeyl | but for all archs |
| 22:50.28 | mickeyl | (all pxa) |
| 22:50.38 | treke|home | new code for collie in there |
| 22:50.43 | mickeyl | what ? |
| 22:50.45 | mickeyl | where ? |
| 22:50.48 | mickeyl | didn't spot that |
| 22:50.54 | treke|home | I think so |
| 22:51.13 | treke|home | oh wait. They removed collie code :p |
| 22:51.44 | mickeyl | well - i didn't look at the diff but at a diff between a full kernel-tree for shepherd and a full kernel-tree for boxer. this exposes the differences better |
| 22:52.08 | treke|home | I'm just vimdiffing the two patches |
| 22:52.14 | mickeyl | aah |
| 22:52.15 | mickeyl | that's ugly |
| 22:52.19 | mickeyl | hardly readable |
| 22:52.26 | treke|home | ugly, but it gets the job done |
| 22:52.26 | mickeyl | diffing diffs... |
| 22:52.37 | treke|home | vimdiff, not diff |
| 22:58.41 | treke|home | need a new kernel for my desktop first |
| 22:58.51 | treke|home | usb-storage doesnt want to work on my desktop :p |
| 23:01.00 | mickeyl | use a winxp-box |
| 23:01.02 | Twiun | treke|home: don't suppose you're using apache2 are you? |
| 23:01.55 | treke|home | nope |
| 23:02.06 | treke|home | mickeyl: I don't have any here |
| 23:02.35 | Twiun | drat. trying to find out which of 4 apache2 debs is the preferred one |
| 23:02.45 | treke|home | hehe |
| 23:09.41 | Twiun | ok... apt-cache search apache2-mpm was actually useful :) |
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| 23:20.07 | chouimat | http://www.crossprings.com/ |
| 23:21.37 | Twiun | hahaha |
| 23:22.09 | chouimat | hehe |
| 23:25.51 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:25.58 | mickeyl | "I find OZ to be quite slow and unresponsive, especially to screen taps. Not only that, often when I tap the screen on the little icons next to the clock, the resulting menu will disappear before I can select anything. |
| 23:26.00 | mickeyl | " |
| 23:26.04 | mickeyl | right he is |
| 23:26.07 | mickeyl | we have to work on that |
| 23:26.15 | mickeyl | (c7x0) |
| 23:26.50 | Twiun | let's thank him gratefully for that bug report |
| 23:28.00 | Twiun | hmmm, my daily mail volume's drastically gone down |
| 23:28.20 | mickeyl | since you stop postfix? |
| 23:28.49 | Twiun | nah, since zaurus.com went down... |
| 23:28.55 | mickeyl | ah |
| 23:28.58 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:29.02 | Twiun | can't figure it out - it wasn't the biggest source |
| 23:29.29 | mickeyl | all forums suck imho. but then again, i like zaurususergroup.com more than zaurus.com/dev/boar |
| 23:29.30 | mickeyl | d |
| 23:29.50 | mickeyl | much nicer attitude imho |
| 23:30.04 | mickeyl | maybe just because less participate though |
| 23:30.29 | Twiun | things are less personal? |
| 23:30.37 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 23:31.00 | mickeyl | in general i observe a more friendly attitude towards us (developers) |
| 23:31.13 | chouimat | http://www.scitechsoft.com/ftp/devel/ |
| 23:32.33 | CosmicPenguin | This is why its nice to have 0 users |
| 23:32.36 | CosmicPenguin | No angry mobs |
| 23:32.49 | chouimat | cool the snap ddk and sdk are gpled |
| 23:32.53 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:32.57 | mickeyl | chouimat: what's snapgraphics ? |
| 23:33.07 | mickeyl | CosmicPenguin: hehe, right. |
| 23:33.15 | chouimat | mickeyl: www.scitechsoft.com |
| 23:33.15 | Twiun | CosmicPenguin: it's the same thing with 0 devs - easier to refactor the system |
| 23:33.43 | CosmicPenguin | THe only person that has yelled at me lately, was treke... And that was for good reason.. :) |
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| 23:34.24 | chouimat | mickeyl: os indepedent accelerated graphics drivers |
| 23:34.54 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:35.00 | chouimat | mickeyl: support in qte 3.3 |
| 23:35.05 | treke|home | kernel booted |
| 23:35.10 | mickeyl | i'd be interested in how to write an accelerated graphics driver on top of an unaccelerated framebuffer... |
| 23:35.12 | mickeyl | treke: cooly |
| 23:35.17 | mickeyl | treke: right into opie? |
| 23:35.22 | treke|home | yup |
| 23:35.24 | treke|home | right into opie |
| 23:35.26 | mickeyl | great. |
| 23:35.28 | chouimat | mickeyl: that replace the framebuffer |
| 23:35.42 | mickeyl | chouimat: hardly. it's not a kernel patch, it's a qte patch |
| 23:35.54 | mickeyl | oh you mean it doesn't use it |
| 23:35.57 | mickeyl | could be |
| 23:36.00 | chouimat | mickeyl: yes |
| 23:36.26 | mickeyl | but then again... needs to know the underlying graphics subsystem. i doubt they've written accellerated drivers for mq200, mq2000 and stuff |
| 23:36.33 | mickeyl | s/2000/1000 |
| 23:36.43 | mickeyl | treke: usb-storage ß |
| 23:36.44 | mickeyl | ? |
| 23:36.44 | treke|home | lies. i didnt yell at CosmicPenguin :) |
| 23:36.51 | treke|home | mickeyl: not tried it yet |
| 23:37.00 | chouimat | mickeyl: the thing is now the ddk is gpl so we can write a driver for say the zaurus etc ... |
| 23:37.55 | treke|home | mickeyl: not tried it yet |
| 23:37.58 | treke|home | bleh |
| 23:39.45 | mickeyl | would you find it too intrusive to announce openipaq 3.3.5 on familiar@handhelds.org ? |
| 23:40.04 | treke|home | I dont think so |
| 23:40.30 | mickeyl | k, will do tomorrow. |
| 23:40.31 | treke|home | maybe ipaq@handhelds.org would be more appropriate |
| 23:40.35 | treke|home | but fewer people read it |
| 23:40.36 | mickeyl | ah right |
| 23:40.50 | treke|home | it seems more of a development list |
| 23:40.59 | mickeyl | but then again, opie@handhelds.org may get the right audition. |
| 23:41.11 | mickeyl | because we don't support X like fam do |
| 23:41.17 | mickeyl | (at least for now) |
| 23:41.21 | treke|home | yeah |
| 23:41.31 | mickeyl | k, opie@hh.org will be it then. |
| 23:41.34 | absentia | blah.. just upset the wife talking about religion. |
| 23:41.36 | absentia | so sad. |
| 23:41.42 | mickeyl | images are @ official/3.3.5/model/h3600 |
| 23:41.47 | mickeyl | now catching some sleep |
| 23:41.48 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 23:41.57 | treke|home | I take it she doesnt agree that religion is for idiots? |
| 23:42.07 | absentia | correct |
| 23:42.14 | absentia | she says there are real psychics, etc. |
| 23:42.30 | absentia | and the only sad part is that she gets so fucking upset with me for questioning these statements. |
| 23:42.36 | absentia | I hope that one day |
| 23:42.46 | absentia | she will see the light, literally, and give up her fantasy world. |
| 23:43.00 | treke|home | I cant see the light |
| 23:43.06 | treke|home | it's behind me on the other side of the room |
| 23:43.19 | cyn | imo she's welcome to her fantasy world so long as she remains sufficiently grounded in reality to exist and do something useful |
| 23:43.34 | absentia | cyn: agree. |
| 23:43.42 | absentia | and I've told her that. |
| 23:43.44 | cyn | and if she doesn't get snappy about making others believe |
| 23:43.48 | cyn | that's my main gripe |
| 23:43.52 | absentia | me too |
| 23:43.55 | cyn | religions that go around pushing that they're right |
| 23:43.55 | absentia | and she doesn't. |
| 23:44.00 | absentia | but she's upset that I live in my small world |
| 23:44.01 | cyn | so, no worries m8 |
| 23:44.06 | absentia | unable to see things that are beyond reality. |
| 23:44.06 | absentia | etc. |
| 23:44.22 | absentia | I asked her just how does one go beyond reality |
| 23:44.24 | absentia | and she got upset. |
| 23:44.24 | cyn | absentia: fire up yer editor, open a recent coding project, and start talking |
| 23:44.35 | absentia | start talking? |
| 23:44.38 | absentia | or stop talking? |
| 23:44.42 | cyn | start talking about the code |
| 23:44.46 | cyn | how you visualize it etc |
| 23:44.48 | absentia | she doesn't do computers. |
| 23:44.51 | cyn | exactly. |
| 23:44.54 | absentia | wait, I'm missing your point. |
| 23:44.58 | cyn | and you don't do her metaphysics |
| 23:45.01 | treke|home | I am also |
| 23:45.05 | absentia | yes, but my computer is there |
| 23:45.07 | cyn | do you get angry at her for not doing computers? |
| 23:45.08 | absentia | you can load my program |
| 23:45.13 | absentia | I can explain my model |
| 23:45.17 | absentia | you can touch the keyboard |
| 23:45.21 | absentia | of course not |
| 23:45.24 | cyn | well, I tried. |
| 23:45.43 | absentia | cyn: I don't do her metaphysics.. but that's ok.. I am open to talking about it. |
| 23:45.45 | cyn | you can use it as an example to show her 'past reality' vs your 'abstract thinking' |
| 23:45.50 | absentia | but she's not. but she's angry at me for NOT understanding it. |
| 23:45.52 | absentia | but she won't tell me. |
| 23:45.54 | absentia | even tryr. |
| 23:46.07 | cyn | hah dude you should be happy she even told you WHY she's angry at you |
| 23:46.07 | absentia | because, or so she claims, that when she has, I ask questions that upset her. |
| 23:46.20 | absentia | show her past reality? |
| 23:46.26 | absentia | cyn: oh, I know. |
| 23:46.28 | absentia | :-> |
| 23:46.33 | absentia | we've worked on that one. |
| 23:46.44 | cyn | not past as in past tense - past as in beyond |
| 23:47.07 | absentia | she was upset because she said... perhaps something that just happened to a friend of hers.. was that she was being punished (the friend) due to some action the friend had chosen to do in the past... |
| 23:47.09 | cyn | I didn't want to say fantasy because I don't want you using that word and gettin in trouble and blaming me :) |
| 23:47.27 | absentia | and my question was: Is this really the world that you want to live in? how do your beliefs comfort you in this situation? |
| 23:47.46 | absentia | cyn: go on. I still understand your point... |
| 23:47.50 | absentia | a program isn't fantasy. |
| 23:48.18 | cyn | no but coding and designing is still thinking about things that don't physically exist |
| 23:48.28 | cyn | you design an object class |
| 23:48.35 | cyn | its just code, just visualized thought |
| 23:48.44 | absentia | I don't see that distinction |
| 23:48.48 | absentia | but it's real |
| 23:48.53 | absentia | the design is real |
| 23:48.58 | absentia | it's an "abstract" but it's real. |
| 23:49.03 | absentia | the objects are real. |
| 23:49.09 | absentia | show me one psychic that's real? |
| 23:49.25 | absentia | she says.. ya, most on tv are fake (most?)... but *she* knows someone who is a *real* psychic.. |
| 23:49.25 | cyn | the objects aren't real |
| 23:49.32 | absentia | but the person doesn't practice anymore, because it's too powerful. |
| 23:49.33 | absentia | uh huh. |
| 23:49.44 | absentia | why aren't the objects real? |
| 23:49.46 | cyn | it's just manipulations of 0's and 1's |
| 23:49.53 | cyn | they come into being on execution |
| 23:49.58 | absentia | I think your definition of real is more compartmentalized than mine. |
| 23:50.01 | cyn | but it's not like you truly underestand how they're created/etc. |
| 23:50.05 | _Psycho | OT question, someone know how to get a system tray in gnome 2.4.1 ? |
| 23:50.08 | cyn | no, I'm trying to show you her definition of real |
| 23:50.25 | cyn | because I really do think you can use this to at least relate to her on some level beyond what you do currently |
| 23:50.26 | absentia | cyn: your showing me a definition that's even further away |
| 23:50.36 | absentia | ug |
| 23:50.38 | absentia | but I do relate to her |
| 23:50.40 | absentia | but I question. |
| 23:50.47 | absentia | she just wants to accept things at face value. |
| 23:51.04 | cyn | yeah that'd be what we term religion |
| 23:51.12 | absentia | and she gets upset at ME for me not simply accepting things at face value. |
| 23:51.15 | absentia | I prefer to question. |
| 23:51.16 | cyn | there's no arguing or questioning religion it just causes anger resentment and defensive backlash |
| 23:51.24 | absentia | yes |
| 23:51.26 | absentia | that's what I see. |
| 23:51.28 | absentia | :-< |
| 23:52.52 | treke|home | mickeyl_away: ping |
| 23:54.27 | W8TVI | damn windows xp! |
| 23:54.33 | W8TVI | it desided that it needed to make the page file bigger, and the best time to do it was while I was in the middle of a game |
| 23:54.58 | W8TVI | but the stupid thing is, its only using 128mb of ram |
| 23:55.18 | treke|home | The mass storage thing looks like it only does CF and SD |
| 23:55.21 | treke|home | which kind of sucks |
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| 23:58.00 | treke|home | looks like the apm bug is still there |
| 23:58.36 | treke|home | any other bugs I should check? |
