irclog2html for #openembedded on 20031204

`00:00.19`	`chouimat`	`ibot change 1 cad to usd`
`00:00.40`	`chouimat`	`ibot change 21.99 cad to usd`
`00:01.47`	`chouimat`	`ibot change 16.99 cad to usd`
`00:08.34`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Oops - I had two packages with the same PROVIDES= line... :)`
`00:08.46`	`kergoth`	`hehe. oemake will build both when that happens`
`00:08.49`	`kergoth`	`no multiple provides handling`
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`00:11.09`	`chouimat`	`kergoth what a PITA fishhead is`
`00:11.13`	`kergoth`	`no kidding`
`00:11.34`	`chouimat`	`kergoth even sorphin joke are more mature`
`00:13.00`	`andersee`	`heh`
`00:13.57`	`chouimat`	`hmmm what is on tv tonight ....`
`00:14.14`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Its fun to feed the trolls though`
`00:15.58`	`chouimat`	`CosmicPenguin hehe`
`00:22.25`	`ljp`	`kergoth: you worked for UPS?`
`00:22.30`	`kergoth`	`for like a month`
`00:22.31`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:22.33`	`kergoth`	`it sucked`
`00:22.40`	`kergoth`	`shitty lighting, dank depressing`
`00:22.52`	`gb2`	`kergoth: are the packages comfortable to sit on?`
`00:22.57`	`ljp`	`hehe`
`00:23.00`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:23.22`	`ljp`	`they make great tire blocks`
`00:23.33`	`ljp`	`so the trucks dont move when they are parked`
`00:23.50`	`gb2`	`hehe`
`00:28.11`	`gb2`	`kergoth: do you forsee any need for ever having multiple toolchains built (except for the self-contained compat-stuff case)?`
`00:29.11`	`kergoth`	`possibly.. do we want qte+opie built with gcc2 for compat with sharp?`
`00:29.42`	`gb2`	`i can't see any way for multiple toolchains to coexist with the same target name`
`00:30.34`	`gb2`	`changing the target vendor is the obvious solution`
`00:31.45`	`mithro`	`someone was talking about my compat libs?`
`00:31.51`	`gb2`	`i was`
`00:31.58`	`mithro`	`ahh`
`00:31.59`	`gb2`	`hi`
`00:32.04`	`mithro`	`i need more people to test them :)`
`00:32.07`	`gb2`	`heh`
`00:32.16`	`gb2`	`my zaurus sits in a corner for now`
`00:32.24`	`gb2`	`due to lack of free time`
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`00:34.01`	`gb2`	`kergoth: the options i see are forcing the toolchains we have in there to specify the target`
`00:34.09`	`gb2`	`s/specify/force/`
`00:34.23`	`kergoth`	`hmmmm`
`00:34.32`	`gb2`	`or.. hrm.`
`00:34.48`	`gb2`	`only allowing one to build at a time.`
`00:34.48`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sigh`
`00:35.09`	`gb2`	`kergoth: i guess forcing it isn't so bad.`
`00:35.34`	`gb2`	`kergoth: since anybody who wants something different is likely to know what they're doing enough to do their own toolchain .oe's based on the current ones`
`00:36.03`	`kergoth`	`heh, htats true`
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`00:36.56`	`gb2`	`so, what i think i'd do is force the glibc to do ${TARGET_ARCH}-${TARGET_OS} and the uclibc one to be that but with the -uclibc vendor part`
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`00:37.28`	`gb2`	`and in general, apps would depend on ${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc or what not.`
`00:37.49`	`kergoth`	`imho, apps should depend on HOST_PREFIX`
`00:37.52`	`gb2`	`which should match the appropriate one of those two.`
`00:37.54`	`gb2`	`oh`
`00:37.55`	`kergoth`	`since thats what their CC is`
`00:37.56`	`gb2`	`good point, duh.`
`00:37.57`	`gb2`	`:P`
`00:38.05`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
`00:38.15`	`gb2`	`i've been living in the toolchain world too long`
`00:38.19`	`kergoth`	`so we can use TARGET for outputting chains, HOST for the app builds`
`00:39.35`	`gb2`	`i'll let that stew in my brain for a while and then implement it.`
`00:39.55`	`kergoth`	`k`
`00:39.57`	`gb2`	`since i probably won't get time till the weekend anyway`
`00:40.24`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: how do you get to get to use the built compiler?`
`00:41.00`	`kergoth`	`if TARGET_PREFIX matches HOST_PREFIX, then its using the one that was built`
`00:41.04`	`kergoth`	`which it will in most cases`
`00:41.30`	`gb2`	`cosmic: set CROSS_DIR to something like ${STAGING_DIR}/cross`
`00:41.38`	`gb2`	`and it usually does the right thing`
`00:41.57`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: but I had to set HOST_PREFIX= to make it use gcc... :)`
`00:42.18`	`CosmicPenguin`	`So TARGET_PREFIX=${STAGING_DIR}/cross/bin/i386-linux- would be correct?`
`00:42.18`	`gb2`	`you shouldn't need to set HOST_PREFIX`
`00:42.25`	`gb2`	`TARGET_ARCH = i386`
`00:42.26`	`gb2`	`TARGET_VENDOR = -uclibc`
`00:42.26`	`gb2`	`TARGET_OS = linux`
`00:42.26`	`gb2`	`CROSS_DIR = ${STAGING_DIR}/cross`
`00:42.26`	`gb2`	`DL_DIR = ${TOPDIR}/downloads`
`00:42.29`	`gb2`	`that's my entire local.conf`
`00:42.34`	`kergoth`	`HOST is set based on what you're targeting, which varies`
`00:42.43`	`kergoth`	`s/targeting/currently buliding/`
`00:42.47`	`CosmicPenguin`	`gb2: without HOST_PREFIX set to null, it tries to use i686-linux-gcc... :(`
`00:43.03`	`kergoth`	`oh, yeah`
`00:43.06`	`gb2`	`is your oe uptodate?`
`00:43.10`	`kergoth`	`HOST_PREFIX is an assembly of the HOST components`
`00:43.16`	`kergoth`	`not TARGET_PREFIX directly`
`00:43.31`	`gb2`	`you want to set the target components.`
`00:43.32`	`kergoth`	`host is coming from target from the individual components, not high level`
`00:43.36`	`gb2`	`and it should do the right thing.`
`00:43.40`	`kergoth`	`right`
`00:43.52`	`treke`	`does CCCR ring a bell to anyone regarding the husky kernel?`
`00:43.54`	`gb2`	`think of it as "OE is targeting this"`
`00:43.59`	`kergoth`	`so if you override target prefix, you have to override host prefix as well`
`00:44.12`	`kergoth`	`in his case anyway`
`00:44.16`	`kergoth`	`because he doenst want a prefix at all`
`00:44.23`	`gb2`	`oh.`
`00:44.26`	`gb2`	`hrm`
`00:44.28`	`gb2`	`yeah`
`00:44.29`	`CosmicPenguin`	`I want the target prefix though`
`00:44.30`	`kergoth`	`gb2: think native build, only 'gcc'`
`00:44.33`	`gb2`	`that case i guess.`
`00:44.49`	`kergoth`	`theres no way to do it elegantly without breaking the flow of target components -> host components -> host prefix`
`00:44.53`	`gb2`	`building native stuff it sets HOST_PREFIX to BUILD_PREFIX`
`00:44.56`	`kergoth`	`so this is the way its gotta be`
`00:44.57`	`gb2`	`which is ""`
`00:45.13`	`kergoth`	`hrmm`
`00:45.39`	`kergoth`	`hey, couldnt you do..`
`00:45.40`	`kergoth`	`TARGET_PREFIX=`
`00:45.40`	`kergoth`	`HOST_PREFIX_${TARGET_ARCH}=`
`00:45.40`	`kergoth`	`BUILD_PREFIX=`
`00:46.01`	`kergoth`	`by using overrides for host, itll still obey the build prefix for native/cross class'd builds`
`00:46.07`	`kergoth`	`eh`
`00:46.08`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:46.22`	`kergoth`	`err, no, i forgot that classes override .conf data`
`00:46.22`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:46.41`	`kergoth`	`dont mind me, just override target and host prefixes both`
`00:47.46`	`gb2`	`hm`
`00:47.56`	`kergoth`	`hm, if we set the default HOST_PREFIX to ${TARGET_PREFIX}, and you override a target component, itd still get set right..`
`00:48.10`	`kergoth`	`can you think of a circumstance where not obeying the host components would break something?`
`00:48.25`	`kergoth`	`i guess if they try to override any of he host components..`
`00:48.31`	`kergoth`	`but we really shouldnt support such a thing`
`00:48.47`	`gb2`	`thinking about it, shouldn't it just work to do: TARGET_ARCH=${BUILD_ARCH} .. and the same for all the target ones. then TARGET_PREFIX=${BUILD_PREFIX} ?`
`00:49.06`	`kergoth`	`heh, like i said`
`00:49.07`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`00:49.18`	`kergoth`	`hmm, what would it break`
`00:50.11`	`kergoth`	`if they were to override build arch and build prefix both, target prefix would obey the prefix, not its own assembly of the components`
`00:50.15`	`kergoth`	`which is probably what you'd expect.`
`00:50.17`	`kergoth`	`we should change it`
`00:50.24`	`gb2`	`yeah`
`00:50.30`	`gb2`	`it sound more natural this way`
`00:50.33`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`00:50.37`	`gb2`	`sounds`
`00:50.41`	`kergoth`	`less crap to override in your local.conf this way`
`00:51.21`	`gb2`	`you really should only ever need to set the target in local.conf`
`00:51.42`	`kergoth`	`-HOST_PREFIX=${HOST_SYS}-`
`00:51.42`	`kergoth`	`+HOST_PREFIX=${TARGET_PREFIX}`
`00:51.47`	`kergoth`	`-TARGET_PREFIX=${TARGET_SYS}-`
`00:51.47`	`kergoth`	`+TARGET_PREFIX=${BUILD_PREFIX}`
`00:51.49`	`kergoth`	`should take care of it`
`00:52.01`	`gb2`	`defaults to native?`
`00:52.16`	`gb2`	`kergoth: fix native.oeclass and cross.oeclass too`
`00:52.19`	`kergoth`	`yep. same as it was, just prefix obeys the other prefixes instead of its components`
`00:52.22`	`kergoth`	`k`
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`00:52.58`	`treke`	`zaurus.com is still down`
`00:53.02`	`hanno`	`hi.`
`00:53.08`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: so whats the final verdict?`
`00:53.16`	`kergoth`	`CosmicPenguin: fixing it now to make it less painful`
`00:53.19`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: setting TARGET_PREFIX doesn't help`
`00:53.27`	`kergoth`	`it will`
`00:53.31`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Its still building with gcc`
`00:53.54`	`gb2`	`you'll need to update your OE`
`00:54.01`	`gb2`	`once kergoth pushes his changes`
`00:54.09`	`CosmicPenguin`	`let me know`
`00:54.10`	`kergoth`	`yep, hold`
`00:54.23`	`kergoth`	`looks like cross was already correct`
`00:54.46`	`chouimat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:55.06`	`gb2`	`native looks right too.`
`00:55.09`	`gb2`	`wait.. native has a bug`
`00:55.15`	`gb2`	`it's missing vendor`
`00:55.20`	`kergoth`	`yep, little one. removed the sets to CROSS while i was at it`
`00:55.30`	`gb2`	`ok, cool.`
`00:55.37`	`kergoth`	`CosmicPenguin: bk pull, then remove any set of HOST_ anything in your local.conf`
`00:55.39`	`gb2`	`cross has CROSS too`
`00:55.45`	`kergoth`	`yep, fixed`
`00:55.50`	`gb2`	`cool cool.`
`00:56.00`	`kergoth`	`well thats much more sane`
`00:56.00`	`kergoth`	`cool`
`00:56.28`	`gb2`	`just set 3 target vars, and possibly dir vars.`
`00:56.37`	`kergoth`	`oh, i was thinking`
`00:56.41`	`kergoth`	`add ${HOME}/.oe to default OEPATH`
`00:56.48`	`kergoth`	`and include site.conf`
`00:56.50`	`gb2`	`not a bad idea.`
`00:56.53`	`kergoth`	`then you can set the dirs globally`
`00:57.18`	`gb2`	`shared DL_DIR sounds like a good idea (shared between projects)`
`00:57.27`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`00:57.30`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Can I bail on the TARGET_PREFIX too?`
`00:57.44`	`kergoth`	`yes, itll pick up your BUILD_PREFIX as default, assuming native`
`00:58.10`	`hanno`	`i read in the newsletter that there are still people needed to help with the Z kernel port.`
`00:58.11`	`gb2`	`CP: what are you leaving in your local.conf?`
`00:58.13`	`kergoth`	`btw, our native builds are kinda hokey`
`00:58.21`	`kergoth`	`e.g. the build/target split causes issues`
`00:58.34`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: thats ok - uclibc builds are better anyway`
`00:58.34`	`kergoth`	`for native, staging/target/lib should be in LD_LIBRARY_PATH for all builds`
`00:58.35`	`gb2`	`some autoconf thinks it's cross?`
`00:58.35`	`kergoth`	`etc`
`00:58.37`	`hanno`	`i'd be willing to make my hands dirty, though I never tried C that low.`
`00:58.53`	`kergoth`	`gb2: it thinks we're not cross, so tries the AC_TRY_RUN's, and fail due to missing libs`
`00:59.05`	`kergoth`	`gb2: if you force it to think we're cross, e.g. making build i386 and target i686, itll work`
`00:59.07`	`gb2`	`kergoth: oh. i see.`
`00:59.09`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:59.10`	`kergoth`	`i cheated`
`00:59.15`	`kergoth`	`then supplied an i686-linux site`
`00:59.21`	`gb2`	`yeah, and that's why my uclibc stuff works`
`00:59.24`	`kergoth`	`but we really need to make it cleaner`
`00:59.25`	`kergoth`	`yup`
`00:59.26`	`hanno`	`is there some guide on how to setup a local dev-environment on a desktop?`
`00:59.28`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Grr....`
`00:59.38`	`kergoth`	`hanno: grab a toolchain is the first step`
`00:59.40`	`chouimat`	`tabarnack que je suis fatigue`
`00:59.40`	`gb2`	`CP: what are you trying to make it do?`
`00:59.43`	`kergoth`	`ibot: oz toolchain`
`00:59.45`		`i guess oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there.`
`00:59.48`	`kergoth`	`hanno: go there`
`01:00.56`	`kergoth`	`CosmicPenguin: paste your local.conf`
`01:01.47`	`hanno`	`thanks. i'll have a look at it. did some C on embedded linux years ago, wonder if i still understand what to do. :-)`
`01:01.52`	`CosmicPenguin`	`TARGET_ARCH = i386`
`01:01.52`	`CosmicPenguin`	`TARGET_VENDOR = -uclibc`
`01:01.52`	`CosmicPenguin`	`TARGET_OS = linux`
`01:01.52`	`CosmicPenguin`	`DL_DIR=/var/tmp/sources`
`01:01.52`	`CosmicPenguin`	`OEFILES=${TOPDIR}//.oe`
`01:02.16`	`gb2`	`you need to omit glibc and some of the gcc .oe files`
`01:02.25`	`kergoth`	`you'll want to set BUILD_PREFIX= for the -native packages`
`01:02.30`	`kergoth`	`er no, thats deafult`
`01:02.33`	`kergoth`	`god i need to go home`
`01:02.39`	`treke`	`news.google.com rocks`
`01:03.02`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: it keeps using gcc to build`
`01:03.13`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: which wouldn't be so bad, but tcl doesn't like gcc 2.X any more`
`01:03.21`	`kergoth`	`CosmicPenguin: oebuild showdata blah.oe\|grep HOST_.*=`
`01:03.33`	`treke`	`hehe. our stock dropped 27% today`
`01:03.36`	`gb2`	`DP: http://sekrit.org/my-oemake`
`01:03.36`	`kergoth`	`oh, you mean a -native package dont you?`
`01:03.40`	`gb2`	`i use this shell wrapper`
`01:03.46`	`gb2`	`which sets OEFILES`
`01:03.56`	`kergoth`	`gb2: his 'gcc' for -native packages sucks`
`01:03.56`	`gb2`	`and omits the toolchain`
`01:04.00`	`kergoth`	`so i doubt its even getting far enough`
`01:04.04`	`gb2`	`oh`
`01:04.32`	`kergoth`	`and the autotools .oe adds the -native's to deps, even if we override configure so they dont ever get run`
`01:04.35`	`kergoth`	`..`
`01:04.38`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`01:04.38`	`kergoth`	`s/.oe/.oeclass/`
`01:04.52`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`01:05.01`	`gb2`	`i need to clean up a bunch of this`
`01:05.05`	`kergoth`	`just override DEPENDS= -after- the inherit`
`01:05.07`	`kergoth`	`in all the .oe's`
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`01:05.40`	`kergoth`	`er actually, i dont remember if _prepend/_append happen at the end of the file, or at the end of the .oe parse`
`01:05.48`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: I think I have you confused`
`01:05.58`	`kergoth`	`CosmicPenguin: what package fails?`
`01:06.04`	`CosmicPenguin`	`tcl - target package`
`01:06.17`	`kergoth`	`is it an autotools package?`
`01:06.19`	`gb2`	`do you already have your uclibc toolchain?`
`01:06.22`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: yes`
`01:06.25`	`CosmicPenguin`	`gb2: yes`
`01:06.28`	`gb2`	`ok`
`01:06.30`	`kergoth`	`clean it and rebuild`
`01:06.37`	`kergoth`	`the vars are set at do_configure time`
`01:06.40`	`kergoth`	`not do_compile time`
`01:06.50`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: rebuild doesn't help - it still ends up with gcc`
`01:07.00`	`kergoth`	`oebuild showdata blah.oe\|grep gcc`
`01:07.11`	`kergoth`	`and where are you putting local.conf?`
`01:07.22`	`kergoth`	it must be in `pwd`/conf/ from teh build dir
`01:07.27`	`CosmicPenguin`	`export CPP="gcc -E"`
`01:07.27`	`CosmicPenguin`	`export BUILD_CC="ccache gcc"`
`01:07.27`	`CosmicPenguin`	`export BUILD_CCLD="gcc"`
`01:07.27`	`CosmicPenguin`	`export CC="ccache gcc"`
`01:07.27`	`CosmicPenguin`	`export CCLD="gcc"`
`01:07.43`	`CosmicPenguin`	`and local.conf is located correctly`
`01:07.43`	`kergoth`	`yeah, its like your local.conf isnt even being parsed.`
`01:07.45`	`gb2`	`grep for _SYS`
`01:07.59`	`CosmicPenguin`	`TARGET_SYS="i386-linux"`
`01:08.00`	`CosmicPenguin`	`BUILD_SYS="i686-linux"`
`01:08.00`	`CosmicPenguin`	`HOST_SYS="i386-linux"`
`01:08.24`	`kergoth`	`heh, wanna bet he has an old oe repos that doesnt obey VENDOR?`
`01:08.31`	`kergoth`	`CosmicPenguin: bk pull in -oe-, not packages.`
`01:08.54`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: nothing to pull`
`01:09.00`	`gb2`	`that looks like your oe isn't uptodate`
`01:09.01`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: I grabbed a new tree about an hour ago`
`01:09.10`	`CosmicPenguin`	`This is brand spanking new`
`01:09.11`	`gb2`	`that looks like the vendor problem yeah`
`01:09.14`	`kergoth`	`cat oe/conf/oe.conf\|grep VENDOR`
`01:09.31`	`CosmicPenguin`	`# NOTE: _VENDOR fields must be either empty or start with a -`
`01:09.31`	`CosmicPenguin`	`BUILD_VENDOR=`
`01:09.31`	`CosmicPenguin`	`BUILD_SYS=${BUILD_ARCH}${BUILD_VENDOR}-${BUILD_OS}`
`01:09.31`	`CosmicPenguin`	`HOST_VENDOR=${TARGET_VENDOR}`
`01:09.31`	`CosmicPenguin`	`HOST_SYS=${HOST_ARCH}${HOST_VENDOR}-${HOST_OS}`
`01:09.31`	`CosmicPenguin`	`TARGET_VENDOR=${BUILD_VENDOR}`
`01:09.33`	`CosmicPenguin`	`TARGET_SYS=${TARGET_ARCH}${TARGET_VENDOR}-${TARGET_OS}\`
`01:10.05`	`kergoth`	`OEDEBUG=1 oebuild showdata blah.oe\|less`
`01:10.11`	`gb2`	`grep VENDOR in oe/classes/*`
`01:10.32`	`kergoth`	`CosmicPenguin: what classes are you inheriting in this .oe?`
`01:10.46`	`CosmicPenguin`	`autotools and libtool`
`01:10.53`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Though I probably don't need libtool`
`01:12.50`	`gb2`	`CP: put TEST_VAR=foo in your local.conf`
`01:12.59`	`gb2`	`then oebuild showdata blah.oe \|grep TEST_VAR`
`01:13.10`	`gb2`	`it should show up if it's finding your local.conf`
`01:13.15`	`kergoth`	`yeah, good idea`
`01:13.27`	`kergoth`	`hehe, maybe he has a local.conf in oe/conf/`
`01:13.35`	`CosmicPenguin`	`TEST_VAR="foo"`
`01:13.37`	`kergoth`	`wonder if itd prefer that one over topdir`
`01:14.03`	`kergoth`	`heh, i dont get it.`
`01:15.32`	`gb2`	`OEDEBUG=2`
`01:15.38`	`gb2`	`it'll show you what files it's loading`
`01:16.46`	`CosmicPenguin`	`when in doubt, build, build again`
`01:16.52`	`kergoth`	`heh, works fine here`
`01:17.56`	`gb2`	`i've been using effectively that same setup here for a long time with no problems.`
`01:18.41`	`CosmicPenguin`	`with all due respect, a fat lot of good that does me`
`01:18.50`	`CosmicPenguin`	`how do you 'distclean' and start over?`
`01:18.53`	`gb2`	`did you install oe?`
`01:18.54`	`kergoth`	`rm -rf tmp?`
`01:18.55`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`01:19.06`	`treke`	`mithro: ping`
`01:19.07`	`gb2`	`or are you running it from a dir somewhere`
`01:19.09`	`CosmicPenguin`	`thats easy fun`
`01:19.23`	`kergoth`	`oh good point, having a native installed OE rpm or whatever can be problematic`
`01:19.26`	`kergoth`	`should fix that`
`01:19.29`	`gb2`	`i usually do: mv tmp tmp.old; rm -rf tmp.old &`
`01:19.32`	`gb2`	`since it takes a while`
`01:19.38`	`treke`	`mithro: ping`
`01:19.54`	`kergoth`	`treke: your 'rt' install still up?`
`01:20.05`	`treke`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:20.13`	`treke`	`havent actually used it`
`01:20.18`	`kergoth`	`whats the url again?`
`01:20.25`	`kergoth`	`gotta get around to figuring it out`
`01:23.36`	`ljp`	`what mem/storage is shipped with 5500?`
`01:23.44`	`kergoth`	`?`
`01:24.12`	`ljp`	`whats the memory configuration with a stock 5500`
`01:24.21`	`ljp`	`40/24?`
`01:24.26`	`kergoth`	`sharp? 32/32`
`01:24.30`	`ljp`	`ahh`
`01:25.47`	`ljp`	`marketting people wanting to flash their Z's`
`01:25.51`	`treke`	`kergoth: treke.net/rt`
`01:26.07`	`kergoth`	`ah, yo ufixed it`
`01:26.09`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`01:26.10`	`kergoth`	`cool`
`01:26.26`	`treke`	`yeah. missing symlink`
`01:26.39`	`kergoth`	`thanks. now to find time to mess with it..`
`01:26.43`	`ljp`	`I just rode from the bank.. in the rain... and you know what? the rain here is warm`
`01:26.49`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`01:27.01`	`ljp`	`very odd`
`01:27.12`	`kergoth`	`must be less unpleasant that way`
`01:27.40`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: now it won't even build the cross compiler`
`01:27.50`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`01:28.04`	`kergoth`	`is TARGET_SYS still set wrong?`
`01:28.32`	`CosmicPenguin`	`TARGET_SYS="i386-uclibc-linux"`
`01:28.39`	`kergoth`	`well thats good`
`01:28.56`	`ljp`	`I love this icon http://www.zaurususergroup.com/images/avatar/3600.gif`
`01:29.28`	`CosmicPenguin`	`But its trying to use cross/bin/ld to build a native tool in uClibc`
`01:29.36`	`CosmicPenguin`	make[1]: Entering directory `/user/projects/oe/packages/tmp/base/uclibc-initial-0.9.21-r0/uClibc-0.9.21/extra/config'
`01:29.36`	`CosmicPenguin`	`gcc conf.o zconf.tab.o -o conf`
`01:29.36`	`CosmicPenguin`	`collect2: ld returned 1 exit status`
`01:29.36`	`CosmicPenguin`	`make[1]: *** [conf] Error 1`
`01:31.01`	`gb2`	`CP: why is the binary called cross/bin/ld ?`
`01:31.01`	`gb2`	`why not cross/bin/i386-uclibc-linux-ld ?`
`01:31.07`	`gb2`	`my uclibc toolchain doesn't put an "ld" into cross/bin`
`01:31.30`	`kergoth`	`ld shoudl be in cross/${target_alias}/bin/, not cross/bin`
`01:31.51`	`gb2`	`kergoth: yeah.`
`01:32.00`	`gb2`	`my toolchain does the right thing`
`01:32.24`	`gb2`	`fog% ls cross/bin/ld`
`01:32.25`	`gb2`	`cross/bin/i386-uclibc-linux-ld*`
`01:33.26`	`gb2`	`CP: what did you run to build that ld?`
`01:34.43`	`gb2`	`http://sekrit.org//my-oemake_toolchain`
`01:34.51`	`gb2`	`if you take this, edit the paths to point at the right place`
`01:35.03`	`gb2`	`then run that script.. it'll output the toolchain into CROSS_DIR`
`01:35.19`	`gb2`	`i'm going to fix and clean it up this weekend though btw`
`01:39.00`	`CosmicPenguin`	`gb2: I'm not doing anything here - I'm just running an oemake`
`01:40.41`	`gb2`	`that breaks`
`01:40.54`	`gb2`	`because glibc and uclibc stuff doesn't happily coexist`
`01:41.30`	`gb2`	`the script i listed a few lines ago filters just the right ones to build the toolchain`
`01:41.36`	`gb2`	`http://sekrit.org//my-oemake`
`01:41.41`	`gb2`	`and this one is all the rest of them`
`01:41.54`	`CosmicPenguin`	`I see - so you can't build the toolchain as part of your regular dependencies`
`01:42.16`	`gb2`	`i use these wrapper scripts so that i properly control the list of OEFILES until the multiple providers problem and multiple toolchain problems are solved`
`01:42.22`	`gb2`	`CP: not yet`
`01:42.31`	`gb2`	`CP: i'm going to fix some of that this weekend`
`01:43.10`	`gb2`	`part of the problem is none of the packages have build dependencies for the toolchain.`
`01:43.16`	`gb2`	`so oemake doesn't know it needs to be built first.`
`01:43.34`	`gb2`	`and currently glibc and uclibc will clobber eachother if they're both built`
`01:44.42`	`gb2`	`oh.. btw, my script is such that i typically have an "OE" dir, with oe, packages, and build as subdirs.`
`01:44.50`	`gb2`	`i run the script from inside the build dir`
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`01:47.16`	`CosmicPenguin`	`gb2: thanks for your help`
`01:47.32`	`gb2`	`it ought to be easier next week`
`01:47.38`	`gb2`	`once i fix the toolchains a bit more`
`01:49.04`	`CosmicPenguin`	`gb2: so at this point, oemake -a won't figure out the dependancies correctly?`
`01:49.33`	`gb2`	`correct`
`01:49.42`	`CosmicPenguin`	`no worries, I guess`
`01:49.43`	`gb2`	`it will if you do it like my two scripts do`
`01:49.49`	`gb2`	`with subsets of OEFILES`
`02:13.03`	`CosmicPenguin`	`gb2: it still breaks in the patch`
`02:15.53`	`gb2`	`CP: in which patch?`
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`02:26.53`	`CosmicPenguin`	`gb2: in the same spot as before - patching uclibc, it tries to use the cross/ld instead of the native ld`
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`02:29.06`	`Pendalar`	`I just bought that DigiTraveler PDA GPS and it doesn't have a friggin serial cable`
`02:29.26`	`Pendalar`	`has sort of a phoneline connector (4 wire) to ipaq and palm connectors`
`02:29.42`	`Pendalar`	`so I'm going to have to craft a 4 wire phoneline plug to serial cable`
`02:38.21`	kergoth`bbl	`CosmicPenguin: i tend to use prepackaged chains, so OE works fine in that context`
`02:41.39`	`Pendalar`	`hey cool someone makes a digitraveler 2 Zaurus cable`
`02:41.47`	`Pendalar`	`only problem is the cable is $20`
`02:41.53`	`Pendalar`	`the GPS was on clearance for $30 =-e`
`02:46.43`	`treke\|home`	kergoth`bbl: this is a prety good idea for the c7x0. Include all three kernels and detect on the fly which to install
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`03:00.16`	`CosmicPenguin`	kergoth`bbl: I'm quite frustrated
`03:03.34`	kergoth`bbl	`every package in the main oe metadata repos is known to build with glibc, and most are known to build with uclibc.`
`03:03.52`	kergoth`bbl	`avoid trying to build a chain with it right now since its still beingt worked on.`
`03:07.51`	`CosmicPenguin`	`I'll be back when things are more stablish`
`03:25.05`	`kergoth`	`hm, i should fix my magnia`
`03:25.20`	`W8TVI`	`kergoth: yes you should`
`03:25.34`	`kergoth`	`which NIC driver goes to the switch again?`
`03:25.55`	`W8TVI`	`the realtek`
`03:26.03`	`W8TVI`	`the other one is the e100`
`03:26.08`	`kergoth`	`k`
`03:26.20`	`W8TVI`	`ask treke`
`03:26.35`	`W8TVI`	`I think he might have done some other stuff on his install`
`03:26.35`	`kergoth`	`need to fix my debian install on that drive`
`03:26.46`	`kergoth`	`drop some echo's to the lcd in the boot process`
`03:26.48`	`kergoth`	`see whats up`
`03:27.00`	`kergoth`	`actually, maybe i'll wait and do that this weekend`
`03:27.13`	`treke\|home`	`kergoth: just do a fresh reinstall`
`03:27.18`	`kergoth`	`k`
`03:27.20`	`treke\|home`	`kergoth: and install 2.4.23`
`03:27.23`	`kergoth`	`hm, i have no debian cds here`
`03:27.25`	`treke\|home`	`using the e100 driver`
`03:27.32`	`W8TVI`	`I dont know... about getting another sharp pda`
`03:27.53`	`W8TVI`	`do I really want to support a co that doesn't want to suport us?`
`03:27.57`	`treke\|home`	`kergoth: Most likely it's booting fine, and using the becker driver`
`03:28.04`	`kergoth`	`yeah probably`
`03:28.20`	`kergoth`	`thta was a debootstrap'd fs, i didnt have any blank cdrs at the time`
`03:28.22`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`03:29.19`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`03:29.24`	`W8TVI`	`lol`
`03:29.39`	`treke\|home`	`cleaned house one weekend and found 3 extra spools`
`03:30.21`	`treke\|home`	`only thing I ever burn is linux isos`
`03:30.31`	`kergoth`	`i burn mp3 cds to listen to in my car`
`03:30.34`	`kergoth`	`and as backup`
`03:30.38`	`kergoth`	`lost way too many collections`
`03:30.41`	`treke\|home`	`no cd player in my car`
`03:31.03`	`treke\|home`	`gonna try gentoo out again on my powerbook.`
`03:31.17`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Thats the spirit`
`03:31.31`	`treke\|home`	`thinking the optimization might make it a bit more pleasant then debian`
`03:31.46`	`treke\|home`	`only downside is the lack of broadcom drivers :(`
`03:32.36`	`chouimat`	`hmmmm I just saw the third austin power ... and it's not bad`
`03:32.40`	`treke\|home`	`probably bought a shit load of them`
`03:32.44`	`W8TVI`	`yeah`
`03:33.02`	`W8TVI`	`I kinda like the way the yopy looks`
`03:33.03`	`treke\|home`	`kergoth: I'm hoping the linux broadcom makes some more progress. They seem to be doing pretty well`
`03:33.06`	`chouimat`	`W8TVI how much for the yopi?`
`03:33.15`	`W8TVI`	`I think its about $450`
`03:33.30`	`treke\|home`	`reverse engineering it from the linksys driver`
`03:33.31`	`chouimat`	`ibot change 450 usd to cad`
`03:33.39`	`chouimat`	`ouch`
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`03:34.59`	`kergoth`	`damnit, i hate it when the tracker for a torrent goes down 95% through it and the dl promptly stalls`
`03:36.00`	`chouimat`	`kergoth what are you downloading?`
`03:36.31`	`kergoth`	`bunch of stuff. 15 stalled torrent dls`
`03:36.32`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`03:37.00`	`chouimat`	`that sucks`
`03:38.56`	`W8TVI`	`chouimat: http://www.yopy.com/english/shop/overview.htm`
`03:39.13`	`W8TVI`	`ibot change 499 usd to cad`
`03:39.30`	`W8TVI`	`hmmm`
`03:39.33`	`chouimat`	`OUCH`
`03:39.44`	`W8TVI`	`I'm glad I dont live in canaduh`
`03:40.30`	`chouimat`	`W8TVI I am because WBush is doing a very good job .... for your economy ;)`
`03:41.34`	`W8TVI`	`the USD is still stronger than the CAD :P`
`03:42.00`	`chouimat`	`W8TVI for how long :P`
`03:42.00`	`kergoth`	`woa, my 401k actually made money for the first time in a long time`
`03:42.03`	`kergoth`	`cool`
`03:42.10`	`chouimat`	`kergoth hehe`
`03:42.20`	`gb2`	`kergoth: is yours in stock?`
`03:42.30`	`W8TVI`	`chouimat: aparently, for a while longer :p`
`03:42.34`	`gb2`	`i still have mine in bonds`
`03:42.50`	`kergoth`	`gb2: bonds, but mostly distributed across high risk, either technology or overseas`
`03:42.56`	`gb2`	`ah`
`03:42.57`	`kergoth`	`iirc`
`03:43.02`	`kergoth`	`been a whiel since i reviewed it`
`03:43.10`	`gb2`	`mine is 50% government, 50% private bonds`
`03:43.16`	`W8TVI`	`chouimat: http://www.sdgsystems.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=28&osCsid=c174b00a7a514ebd85d545aa46a94e3d`
`03:43.23`	`gb2`	`i haven't looked at it in about 18 months`
`03:43.26`	`kergoth`	`i figured i'm young, wht the hell. plenty of time to recover from damage`
`03:43.31`	`chouimat`	`W8TVI not a this rate but any way a job at 100 000usd, even if the usd=cad is better than the equivalent job here at 38 000cad`
`03:43.33`	`W8TVI`	`chouimat: a YOPY YP-3700 for $459.00`
`03:43.35`	`gb2`	`i ought to commit a higher percentage to it`
`03:43.55`	`gb2`	`i'm only committing 5% at the moment`
`03:44.01`	`chouimat`	`W8TVI currently rebuilding KDE HEAD so no browser available`
`03:44.27`	`kergoth`	`i wonder if my contract firm even has a retirement plan`
`03:44.34`	`kergoth`	`damn contracting. shitty benefits`
`03:45.24`	`W8TVI`	`hmmm`
`03:45.33`	`W8TVI`	`the yp3500 has no CF slot`
`03:45.39`	`W8TVI`	`but the yp3700 does`
`03:45.46`	`chouimat`	`ARRRGGGG -20C outside and I'm OUT OF BEERS`
`03:46.03`	`Pendalar`	`dang it dmwaters`
`03:46.15`	`Pendalar`	`=-e`
`03:46.41`	`gb2`	`hrm`
`03:46.50`	`gb2`	`i don't even know what company is managing my 401k`
`03:46.56`	`W8TVI`	`chouimat: the thing I like about the yp3700 is the 2300mAh Li-ion Polymer Battery.`
`03:47.10`	`treke\|home`	`I'm amazed. our benefits enrollment site actually works in mozilla`
`03:47.10`	`chouimat`	`hehe`
`03:48.36`	`W8TVI`	`Full color screen, 3.5" reflective TFT LCD screen with 65,536 colors. Built-in MMC and CompactFlash™ (CF) expansion slots. Scroll Key (Left Side), Speaker/Microphone`
`03:48.42`	`gb2`	`uhhh`
`03:48.52`	`gb2`	`the ssh key fingerprint of work isn't right`
`03:49.01`	`W8TVI`	`its like they should have made the 5500 in the first place`
`03:49.12`	`W8TVI`	`oh and RAM 128MB, ROM 32MB`
`03:49.18`	`W8TVI`	`the rom is crapfs`
`03:49.20`	`W8TVI`	`lol`
`03:49.36`	`W8TVI`	`er, s/crapfs/cramfs`
`03:49.42`	`kergoth`	`heh, so who's gonna get an OE based distro on the yopy?`
`03:49.56`	`W8TVI`	`that sure would be cool`
`03:50.01`	`chouimat`	`kergoth send me one :)`
`03:50.03`	`gb2`	`odd.`
`03:50.14`	`treke\|home`	`hmmm. Wonder if I should sign up for the employee stock purchase plan now that our stock is down 25% ;p`
`03:50.48`	`gb2`	`ah, ssh1 key matches ok.`
`03:51.05`	`W8TVI`	`it seems to me that it should reletively easy to get oz/oe to work on the 3700`
`03:51.14`	`W8TVI`	`it should at least be able to boot`
`03:51.18`	`W8TVI`	`:)`
`03:51.20`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: did you ever play with the Yopy marc 1?`
`03:51.23`	`treke\|home`	`opie would be a pain`
`03:51.25`	`kergoth`	`nope, never had one`
`03:51.30`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: it wasn't pretty`
`03:51.35`	`treke\|home`	`since that idiot made opie on the yopy dependent on X11`
`03:51.36`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: think the agenda, only less functional`
`03:51.56`	`W8TVI`	`they say its an mmc slot`
`03:52.03`	`treke\|home`	`I liked his argument that there is no good reason to want to get rid of X`
`03:52.18`	`W8TVI`	`so I'm guessing that it cant use sd cards`
`03:52.23`	`kergoth`	`CosmicPenguin: ack.`
`03:52.48`	`W8TVI`	`but then again, what do you need a DRM card on linux for anyway?`
`03:53.14`	`treke\|home`	`W8TVI: because SD cards are more or less dead?`
`03:53.17`	`treke\|home`	`er mmc`
`03:53.27`	`W8TVI`	`lol`
`03:53.50`	`chouimat`	`ok my cat is not able to smell me that mean SHOWER TIME`
`03:56.32`	`treke\|home`	`every mmc card I have seen is physically different from an SD card`
`03:58.20`	`gb2`	`i wonder how i tell if my 401k actually made much money`
`04:01.53`	`TMM1`	`stupid UPS`
`04:01.56`	`treke\|home`	`kergoth: started poking at the hardware rotation, it looks like an easy change in qpe`
`04:02.02`	`gb2`	`hrm. it doesn't give me the option to change my marital status, but it does give me the option of changing my sex.`
`04:02.07`	`kergoth`	`treke\|home: nice`
`04:02.23`	`kergoth`	`god i hate categorizing my mp3s`
`04:02.29`	`gb2`	`The following fields have errors. Please reenter:`
`04:02.30`	`gb2`	`Errors: Please select sex - male or female,`
`04:02.36`	`kergoth`	`amazin considers no doubt to be alternative rock, ska, and pop rock`
`04:02.39`	`kergoth`	`s/amazin/amazon/`
`04:03.51`	`gb2`	`no doubt is probably one of the epitomes of "alternative"`
`04:04.03`	`kergoth`	`indeed`
`04:04.22`	`kergoth`	`i cant see them being ska.. i mean, while its usually upbeat, it just doesnt feel like ska.`
`04:04.38`	`kergoth`	`silly amazon`
`04:05.34`	`gb2`	`my 401k seems to be making about $40/mo`
`04:05.52`	`gb2`	`plus my 5% contribution of salary`
`04:06.57`	`gb2`	`wow, goverment bonds went way up this past month`
`04:07.27`	`gb2`	`i made $15.88 on november 3rd from it, i made $23.40 on december 1st`
`04:07.45`	`kergoth`	`nice`
`04:07.58`	`gb2`	`unless that was some weird rounding thing`
`04:08.04`	`kergoth`	`aha`
`04:08.09`	`kergoth`	`apoptygma berserk has a song entitled`
`04:08.13`	`kergoth`	`"Photoshop Sucks"`
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`04:12.53`	`gb2`	`> The Internal Revenue Code states the lesser of 100% of your salary or a maximum of $12,000.00 may be deferred from your salary.`
`04:12.54`	`gb2`	`odd`
`04:13.02`	`gb2`	`i thought it was a lower percentage max`
`04:13.28`	`kergoth`	`its a fixed amount? thats odd`
`04:13.41`	`gb2`	`i'm contributing 5% right now`
`04:13.51`	`gb2`	`i'm at the webpage where i can supposedly change my contribution ammount`
`04:14.21`	`gb2`	`i thought it was the lesser of 15% and 12000`
`04:14.44`	`gb2`	`so that you can't do something stupid and contribute too high a percentage of your salary if you don't make too much`
`04:15.17`	`kergoth`	`guess your place allows stupidity`
`04:15.22`	`chouimat`	`gb2 try to find the Quebec law definition of salary ... I'm not sure I want one anymore after having read it`
`04:15.25`	`W8TVI`	`"contribute"`
`04:15.28`	`gb2`	`kergoth: no.. the IRS does`
`04:15.32`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`04:15.43`	`gb2`	`kergoth: i thought the IRS limited it to 15%/12000`
`04:15.50`	`kergoth`	`gotcha`
`04:16.18`	`gb2`	`I wish i understood all these weird numbers for the fund info`
`04:16.44`	`gb2`	`heh, the funds i'm contributing to aren't even available`
`04:16.49`	`chouimat`	`gb2 don't try you will rot your brain`
`04:17.21`	`W8TVI`	`bleh!`
`04:17.41`	`W8TVI`	`the apple cider was starting to ferment!`
`04:18.00`	`Pendalar`	`that's a good think in a way`
`04:18.08`	`Pendalar`	`if you can make it into an alchy drink`
`04:18.19`	`W8TVI`	`not when your wanting unfermented`
`04:18.28`	`kergoth`	`heh, hard cider is good`
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`04:19.03`	`chouimat`	`kergoth how much alcohol in it?`
`04:19.27`	`W8TVI`	`depends on how long you leave it`
`04:19.31`	`chouimat`	`W8TVI unfermented? buy apple juice`
`04:19.32`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
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`04:19.45`	`kergoth`	`usually similar to a beer in alcohol contnet`
`04:19.46`	`treke\|laptop`	`yo ben`
`04:19.48`	`gb2`	`i'm at 20% higher than the sum of my contribution ammount over the past 30 months or so.`
`04:20.17`	`kergoth`	`treke\|laptop: um, that was a /part, not a /join`
`04:20.20`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`04:20.23`	`treke\|laptop`	`bah`
`04:22.43`	`chouimat`	`hmmmm 9.00 of load and computer still usable ... me pets 2.6.0`
`04:22.49`	`chouimat`	`test something`
`04:26.26`	`treke\|laptop`	`less petting more porting`
`04:29.43`	`chouimat`	`treke\|laptop I'm waiting for Stephanie ... so I will be petting latter ;)`
`04:31.19`	`treke\|laptop`	`bah`
`04:31.22`	`treke\|laptop`	`port while you wait`
`04:31.52`	`chouimat`	`treke\|laptop maybe ... I just finished cleaning the house and the port wine is in the fridge ...`
`04:41.02`	`chouimat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:42.34`	`CosmicPenguin`	`That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard, and I've talked to fishhead before`
`04:42.54`	`chouimat`	`CosmicPenguin wooohooo!`
`04:42.58`	`W8TVI`	`hrmm...`
`04:43.18`	`chouimat`	`CosmicPenguin I was joking btw ....`
`04:44.59`	`chouimat`	`CosmicPenguin that prove that anybody can be as low as fishhead`
`04:52.37`	`CosmicPenguin`	`treke\|laptop: be glad for that`
`04:53.01`	`treke\|laptop`	`The acceleration only looks like it can be done on the untransformed device`
`04:53.09`	`treke\|laptop`	`but I want to accelerate the transformation.`
`04:53.57`	`W8TVI`	`<ODD> optimism is having a ups on a win95 box`
`04:54.03`	`treke\|laptop`	`so I guess I just have to hack qte instead of using the acceleration thingy`
`04:56.05`	`W8TVI`	`kergoth: http://bash.org/?36782`
`04:57.41`	`chouimat`	`lol`
`04:59.01`	`treke\|laptop`	`there has to be some way of doing this since sharp did it`
`05:00.17`	`W8TVI`	`http://bash.org/?99374`
`05:01.11`	`chouimat`	`hehe`
`05:04.09`	`chouimat`	`ok i'm off night`
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`05:06.30`	`Diz-Z`	`hrm. opie-irc is actually pretty useful :)`
`05:06.47`	`treke\|laptop`	`hey Disconnect`
`05:06.54`	`treke\|laptop`	`hows the keyboard stuff coming?`
`05:07.14`	`Diz-Z`	`needs to not wipe history every time I hit prefs tho. and serious focus issues.`
`05:07.17`	`kergoth`	`he sent me what i need`
`05:07.26`	`Diz-Z`	`its all in kergoth's court.`
`05:07.30`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`05:07.47`	`treke\|laptop`	`kergoth: what is left?`
`05:08.01`	`Diz-Z`	`although I might play with it a bit once I can build something that mostly resembles an official release (hint)`
`05:08.04`	`kergoth`	`making use of the data`
`05:08.27`	`Diz-Z`	`I think battery status might be first on my list though.`
`05:08.59`	`treke\|laptop`	`hmmm. This is horribly wrong`
`05:09.30`	`Diz-Z`	`I was thinking just that about some of the display bugs in opie-irc ;)`
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`05:11.02`	`Diz-Z`	`um. odd.`
`05:31.09`	`Shdwdrgn`	`has anyone here made up the patch cable for a digitraveler?`
`05:31.13`	`Shdwdrgn`	`or know from which end of the serial connector pin 1 is located?`
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`05:57.04`	`treke\|laptop`	`ljp_juleboard: ok. Tell someone there to do this. I give up :)`
`06:27.19`	`W8TVI`	`ibot: change 19800 yen to usd`
`06:27.37`	`W8TVI`	`hrmm`
`06:28.15`	`W8TVI`	`ibot: change 19800 YEN to usd`
`06:28.29`	`W8TVI`	`ibot: change 19800 nok to usd`
`06:28.40`	`W8TVI`	`d'oh!`
`06:28.48`	`W8TVI`	`ibot: change`
`06:28.57`	`W8TVI`	`ibot: change help`
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`07:37.33`	`W8TVI\|z`	`http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/22.05.html`
`07:37.50`	`W8TVI\|z`	`that is too funny!`
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`10:57.40`	`Twiun`	`mornin'`
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`11:59.29`	`mickeyl`	`ibot: seen icefox`
`11:59.30`		`icefox <~ben@ool-18b87f53.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 13h 10m 24s ago, saying: 'cool'.`
`13:01.13`	`dan2003`	`is the glibc oe not for zaurus but instead native? cos i cant get it build and in the base/glibc dir i have build-i686-linux`
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`14:34.06`	`mattaw`	`hiya all, anything interesting going on?`
`14:35.13`	`mickeyl`	`hey`
`14:35.15`	`mickeyl`	`nothing`
`14:35.55`	`mickeyl`	`made progress with poodle?`
`14:37.42`	`mattaw`	`build continues. After mon I went on 2 days hol for tues and wed`
`14:38.02`	`mattaw`	`but things seem to be going ok`
`14:38.26`	`mattaw`	`I would like to get it working if its faster and a little more bug free. Esp if mediaplayer works`
`14:39.38`	`mickeyl`	`i'd be interested in knowing why 3.3.5 doesn't boot there`
`14:40.55`	`mattaw`	`Indeed, well I shall keep you informed of any development. Was reading the lists and they said that in one case it spewed errors across the screen instead of sitting there`
`14:41.49`	`mattaw`	`I just hope opera would work with the gcc3.3.2 system but I think not.`
`14:49.18`	`dan2003`	`configure:2225: result: ccache i686-linux-gcc`
`14:49.18`	`dan2003`	`configure:2505: checking for C compiler version`
`14:49.18`	`dan2003`	`configure:2508: ccache i686-linux-gcc --version </dev/null >&5`
`14:49.18`	`dan2003`	`i686-linux-gcc: No such file or directory`
`14:49.23`	`dan2003`	`whats going on here?`
`14:49.47`	`dan2003`	`this in attempt to build glibc`
`14:52.09`	`mickeyl`	`for which arch?`
`14:53.51`	`dan2003`	`im building in an x86, i was hoping to build it for arm as i have a Z :/`
`14:54.16`	`dan2003`	`sorry building on an x86`
`14:56.06`	`mickeyl`	`then you must adapt your local.conf`
`14:56.14`	`mickeyl`	`see packages/local.conf.sample`
`14:57.44`	`dan2003`	`i have TARGET_ARCH=arm`
`14:57.53`	`mickeyl`	`this is correct`
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`14:57.58`	`noda`	`Moo!`
`14:58.39`	`gb2`	`dan: is your oe uptodate?`
`14:58.54`	`gb2`	`there were recent fixes fixing some bugs in that.`
`14:58.59`	`gb2`	`and where is your local.conf?`
`14:59.06`	`gb2`	`it should be in ./conf/local.conf`
`14:59.14`	`gb2`	`off the dir where you run oebuild`
`14:59.26`	`dan2003`	`its in packages/conf/local.conf`
`14:59.40`	`dan2003`	`so could be th eproblem!`
`14:59.44`	`gb2`	`that probably won't get found`
`15:00.54`	`dan2003`	`i last updated yesturday`
`15:01.15`	`gb2`	`kergoth fixed something last night`
`15:01.23`	`dan2003`	`oh, ok.. il update again`
`15:01.25`	`gb2`	`with the compiler prefixes`
`15:03.30`	`dan2003`	`i cat wait to get gcc runing on my z :)`
`15:04.01`	`gb2`	`and once you do, you'll be waiting for it to run`
`15:04.01`	`gb2`	`;)`
`15:04.25`	`dan2003`	`yeah, hoho, do a 3-4 hour train trip quite often`
`15:04.47`	`dan2003`	`so would be nice to do somein mor ethan stare out the window`
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`15:17.49`	`chouimat`	`morning`
`15:19.45`	`noda`	`Morning!`
`15:22.32`	`mattaw`	`mickeyl, the 3.3.2 compiler tree, who built it?`
`15:23.34`	`mattaw`	`and does it still have the dependency problem of the old one?`
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`15:24.11`	`mickeyl`	`handhelds.org`
`15:24.23`	`mickeyl`	`it compiles the stuff fine`
`15:24.30`	`mickeyl`	`but you need to include libstd++ in the rootfs`
`15:29.57`	`mattaw`	`thats the one. Well I am thinking of making a quick ipkg of libstd++ so it would be included by ipkg as a dep where necessary`
`15:31.11`	`mickeyl`	`already done`
`15:31.19`	`mickeyl`	`and in buildroot`
`15:31.19`	`mickeyl`	`;)`
`15:31.35`	`mickeyl`	`don't you read changelogs? ;)`
`15:32.27`	`mattaw`	`:( I have been out of the loop too long :(`
`15:32.32`	`mattaw`	`sorry!`
`15:32.34`	`mickeyl`	`don't worry`
`15:32.42`	`mickeyl`	`you can catchup with us @ OE ;)`
`15:33.48`	`mickeyl`	`you have pretty busy with your career and stuff lately?`
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`15:35.13`	`mattaw`	`well I am in the last years funding for my Phd Should finish on time.`
`15:35.24`	`mattaw`	`Have worked out I have been in education 21 years now`
`15:35.35`	`mattaw`	`after this I become a research assistant`
`15:35.57`	`mattaw`	`yourself?`
`15:36.20`	`gb2`	`the toolchains in OE are not quite finished.`
`15:36.26`	`gb2`	`they're very close though`
`15:36.52`	`mickeyl`	`been working on OZ and Opie... bit too much - will have to step back and finish my PhD`
`15:36.53`	`mattaw`	`gb2, cool`
`15:37.05`	`mattaw`	`where are you studying again?`
`15:37.10`	`noda`	`Why not do your PhD on something oe-related? :P`
`15:37.12`	`mickeyl`	`frankfurt, germany`
`15:37.23`	`mickeyl`	`noda: hehe, too late. but it's a bit related.`
`15:37.33`	`mickeyl`	`middleware for ad-hoc networks`
`15:37.39`	`noda`	`Cool`
`15:37.44`	`gb2`	`mickeyl: did you have luck with readelf?`
`15:37.47`	`gb2`	`yesterday`
`15:38.05`	`chouimat`	`hi noda how is the weather in montreal?`
`15:38.15`	`noda`	`chouimat: Frickin' freezing.`
`15:38.20`	`noda`	`But nice, sunny.`
`15:38.35`	`chouimat`	`here too`
`15:41.06`	`mickeyl`	`gb2: still looking. it spits out a number of interesting information - even out of stripped binaries. but i have yet to find out which values comply to the new and which to the old ABI`
`15:41.35`	`chouimat`	`CosmicPenguin: which progress patch?`
`15:42.35`	`gb2`	`mickeyl:`
`15:42.35`	`gb2`	`fog% readelf -V test\|grep CXXABI`
`15:42.36`	`gb2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:42.36`	`gb2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:42.44`	`gb2`	`that's the new abi`
`15:42.48`	`gb2`	`older ones lack that.`
`15:43.11`	`CosmicPenguin`	`chouimat: I've been using the LPP, but its kind of disapointing`
`15:43.14`	`gb2`	`that's a CXXABI_1.2 versioned dependency on that library.`
`15:43.35`	`mickeyl`	`hmm`
`15:43.37`	`gb2`	`in theory, you should be able to have multiple c++ libs there and have it deal properly`
`15:43.45`	`mickeyl`	`which version of readelf is that?`
`15:43.46`	`gb2`	`i don't know if the dynamic linker is smart enough`
`15:43.51`	`mickeyl`	`i doesn't get that part`
`15:43.55`	`mickeyl`	`dont`
`15:43.57`	`gb2`	`binutils-2.14.90.0.6-3`
`15:44.13`	`chouimat`	`CosmicPenguin I never tried it so .... I'm currently trying to unserstand why with kernel- 2.6.0-test11 teambuilder is not able to find a acceptable ld when I put it in $PATH`
`15:44.13`	`gb2`	`from this (fedora core 1 rpm)`
`15:44.16`	`mickeyl`	`ah pretty new`
`15:44.21`	`mickeyl`	`2.13 here`
`15:44.24`	`gb2`	`ah`
`15:44.39`	`gb2`	`might not know about versioned dependencies/symbols`
`15:45.18`	`gb2`	`you're looking at a gcc3 compiled binary?`
`15:45.26`	`mickeyl`	`definitly`
`15:45.45`	`Disconnect`	`morning all`
`15:45.52`	`mickeyl`	`readelf -V bin/wellenreiter \|grep CXXABI`
`15:45.54`	`mickeyl`	`nothing`
`15:46.05`	`chouimat`	`mickeyl the gcc3 image rocks ... and if we can have a prelinked one ....`
`15:46.34`	`gb2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:46.34`	`gb2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:46.34`	`gb2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:46.39`	`gb2`	`do you have something similar to this?`
`15:46.48`	`mickeyl`	`chouimat: i doubt that prelink adds even more speed. there's hardly anything to relocate since we're using quicklaunch`
`15:47.01`	`gb2`	`Version needs section '.gnu.version_r' contains 2 entries:`
`15:47.05`	`gb2`	`it's in this section`
`15:47.05`	`chouimat`	`mickeyl true`
`15:47.17`	`Twiun`	`mickeyl: does running from ROM add any overhead?`
`15:48.13`	`mickeyl`	`gb2: i don't have CXXABI, but i have the following entries`
`15:48.16`	`mickeyl`	`Version needs section '.gnu.version_r' contains 2 entries:`
`15:48.16`	`mickeyl`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:48.16`	`mickeyl`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:48.16`	`mickeyl`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:48.33`	`mickeyl`	`so at least we can check for GLIBCPP_3.2`
`15:48.53`	`mickeyl`	`Twiun: in contrast to in-place-execution?`
`15:49.14`	`Twiun`	`mickeyl: in contrast to ram-based execution`
`15:49.21`	`mickeyl`	`Twiun: well, the stuff is copied to RAM and then executed`
`15:49.32`	`mickeyl`	`mtd just recently got xip`
`15:49.38`	`mickeyl`	`but it's not complete`
`15:49.41`	`Twiun`	`mickeyl: right... so is copying from ROM slower than copying from RAM? ;)`
`15:49.57`	`mickeyl`	`Twiun: probably. ROM has always been slower`
`15:50.20`	`Twiun`	`mickeyl: I'm thinking of compromises that can be suggested to speed certain bits up`
`15:50.25`	`Disconnect`	`is anyone working on the battery status patch already? (if not, where do I find the old one?)`
`15:50.47`	`mickeyl`	`(battery patch is already in)`
`15:51.05`	`chouimat`	`mickeyl which toolchain you used for the 3.3.2 rom?`
`15:51.27`	`mickeyl`	`Twiun: I'm pretty satisfied with the speed of a gcc3.3.2 image on kernel 2.4.18 with quicklaunch.`
`15:51.41`	`mickeyl`	`chouimat: hmm... you already answered that question :D`
`15:51.52`	`Twiun`	`mickeyl: same here, but squeezing more speed is always nice`
`15:52.05`	`chouimat`	`mickeyl where you got it`
`15:52.09`	`mickeyl`	`ChanServ: handhelds.org`
`15:52.15`	`Disconnect`	`ah. did it make it into 3.3.5? (I ran the Z for >1 hour, with backlight at full and even wlan for most of it, and the battery still showed 100%)`
`15:52.18`	`chouimat`	`mickeyl ok thanks`
`15:52.29`	`mickeyl`	`Disconnect: no it didn't (see README.FIRST)`
`15:53.14`	`Disconnect`	`ah ok. and fyi there is no readme.first on husky.`
`15:54.01`	`mickeyl`	`Disconnect: right. and there never was a batterypatch for husky`
`15:54.01`	`gb2`	`mickeyl: i guess the ABI might be added by redhat's fixes (might be in newer gcc's than the release)`
`15:54.10`	`mickeyl`	`gb2: a gotcha`
`15:54.38`	`gb2`	`mickeyl: on my g++296 compiled binary, libstdc++ has no versioned deps`
`15:55.16`	`mickeyl`	`gb2: ok, so we could rip some code out of readelf and have a check if people start to install 2.95x binaries on a 3.3.2 system`
`15:55.30`	`mickeyl`	`something for aqpkg`
`15:55.40`	`gb2`	`no.. my release version put that in too`
`15:55.51`	`gb2`	`it might be the cxxabi is an x86 thing`
`15:55.56`	`mickeyl`	`oh`
`15:56.17`	`gb2`	`the GLIBCPP_3.2 is probably a good one though`
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`15:56.43`	`Twiun`	`time to hunt for a uv mapping algo...`
`15:58.27`	`gb2`	`mickeyl: versioning started with gcc-3.1.0`
`15:59.11`	`gb2`	`mickeyl: if you have a gcc tree: gcc-3.3.2/libstdc++-v3/docs/html/abi.txt`
`16:01.07`	`gb2`	`mickeyl: if something depends on libstdc++ you can check the version of the library required.`
`16:01.44`	`dan2003`	`Disconnect, hwat the problem with the battery? does it report higher than it really is? Cos it after several hours of use on my z it does drop`
`16:01.47`	`gb2`	`gcc2 used mmajor number 2 for those.`
`16:02.34`	`Disconnect`	`dan2003: well. its possible that OE uses way less battery than cacko does, but I was using it for at least 1.5 hours yesterday and an hour this morning (with backlight on full-full, higher than the l&p app goes) and its still at 100%...`
`16:02.58`	`mickeyl`	`gb2: yeah, but we're only having two apps which require stl`
`16:03.08`	`mickeyl`	`and working on reducing that number .)`
`16:03.31`	`dan2003`	`oh wel, i find thebatt life is very good, i been walking around sanning for wifi and it still lasts several hours`
`16:03.52`	`dan2003`	`scanning`
`16:03.54`	`gb2`	`mickeyl: ah`
`16:04.18`	`gb2`	`mickeyl: and the versioning on the other libraries is not enough?`
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`16:05.09`	`mickeyl`	`gb2: checking against the libc should be sufficient`
`16:05.23`	`dan2003`	`Disconnect, where u set the backlight level? in /proc smoewhere?`
`16:06.10`	`Disconnect`	`dan2003: /proc/driver/fl/corgi_fl (corgi_bl? something like that) .. 0x0105 or so is as high as L&P goes, but sharp (and the bl itself) goes to 0x0110. plus its got actual granularity, instead of the step-stone that l&p uses.`
`16:06.43`	`dan2003`	`k`
`16:06.50`	`dan2003`	`sounds quite cool!`
`16:07.33`	`dan2003`	`damn.. im blinded!!`
`16:07.49`	`Disconnect`	`0x0120 is off btw ;)`
`16:07.54`	`dan2003`	`will be good for outdoors`
`16:07.54`	`Disconnect`	`off-off, not just low`
`16:08.27`	`mickeyl`	`please confirm`
`16:08.45`	`mickeyl`	`the c7x0 display technology does not differenciate backlight-off and display-off, right?`
`16:08.45`	`gb2`	`mickeyl: they should require libc.so.6 i'd guess`
`16:08.54`	`Disconnect`	`mickeyl: not afaict.`
`16:09.02`	`gb2`	`mickeyl: which won't necessarily tell you.`
`16:09.09`	`Disconnect`	`mickeyl: the problem being its not reflective, so if the bl is off there is no way to tell if its still showing pixels`
`16:09.16`	`mickeyl`	`gb2: hmmm. damn.`
`16:09.20`	`mickeyl`	`out of ideas now`
`16:09.25`	`gb2`	`yeah`
`16:09.33`	`mickeyl`	`Disconnect: i se`
`16:09.34`	`dan2003`	`Disconnect, it actually goes to 0111! its definalty brighter at 111 than 110`
`16:09.34`	`gb2`	`i found a binary which doesn't match my thoughts`
`16:10.02`	`mickeyl`	`gb2: ah well! how about libgcc.so !`
`16:10.09`	`gb2`	`you don't always have that`
`16:10.17`	`mickeyl`	`gb2: we always have it on 3.x builds`
`16:10.20`	`gb2`	`no`
`16:10.24`	`mickeyl`	`_we_ do :)`
`16:10.24`	`Disconnect`	`dan2003: hrm. I couldn't really tell if it got any brighter. see if you can find the max, let me know.. I spent a while glaring at the odevice code, I may get a patch together this week (since the guy I need to meet with has been out all week w/ a 105 fever..)`
`16:10.26`	`gb2`	`not all binaries do`
`16:10.37`	`mickeyl`	`gb2: what's in that support lib?`
`16:10.42`	`gb2`	`only binaries that need stuff from libgcc`
`16:10.46`	`dan2003`	`when i get some spare time ill stick a scope on the el drive`
`16:10.52`	`gb2`	`little things, i forget what all is actually in there.`
`16:11.00`	`Disconnect`	`ah. looking at my konsole it looks like I have been using 111 ;)`
`16:11.07`	`dan2003`	`k`
`16:11.13`	`gb2`	`but there are certainly things that don't link against it.`
`16:11.18`	`Disconnect`	`ok looks like it caps out at 111`
`16:11.28`	`dan2003`	`yeah, thast what i thought`
`16:11.32`	`mickeyl`	`gb2: well, let's put it that way: it seems that all opie things link to libgcc.so if compiled with 3.x. and that's a good start :)`
`16:12.21`	`mickeyl`	`gb2: the package manager should just use ldd to check if all links can be resolved anyway. would reduce user confusion based on sucky packages anyway`
`16:12.34`	`mickeyl`	`packages with missing deps`
`16:12.46`	`gb2`	`mickey: opie things require qte shared libs right?`
`16:12.49`	`mickeyl`	`gb2: right`
`16:13.06`	`gb2`	`is the version of those libs for the gcc2 stuff and newer gcc3 stuff the same?`
`16:13.13`	`mickeyl`	`gb2: yes. same 2.3.7 atm.`
`16:13.50`	`mickeyl`	`the only difference in our images is libc`
`16:14.01`	`gb2`	`what differs?`
`16:14.06`	`gb2`	`with the libc`
`16:14.10`	`gb2`	`minor version?`
`16:14.11`	`mickeyl`	`2.2.x for gcc2, 2.3.x for gcc3`
`16:14.29`	`gb2`	`you only notice that difference if you happen to use a 2.3 symbol`
`16:19.41`	`gb2`	`i think the correct solution could be to properly flag libraries that were compiled with gcc3`
`16:20.43`	`mickeyl`	`sounds like the best strategy.`
`16:20.49`	`mickeyl`	`best/most reliable`
`16:23.41`	`Disconnect`	`mickeyl: can you go tag the tree for whatever changeset became 3.3.5?`
`16:25.56`	`dan2003`	`:( i just started over, deleted oe and fetched it all from bk again, set my local.conf and oebuile patcher autoconf-native and automake-native, but i cant build glibc still, i did mange to build glibc-initial, whats this?`
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`16:26.45`	`mickeyl`	`Disconnect: don't know how to tag with bk... it's 1.1368`
`16:27.08`	`mickeyl`	`ibot: oz 3.3.5 is built out of BitKeeper until and including ChangeSet 1.1368`
`16:27.10`		`mickeyl: okay`
`16:27.21`	`Disconnect`	`'bk tag -r1.1368 v3.3.5' would do it.`
`16:27.27`	`mickeyl`	`go ahead :)`
`16:27.35`	`mickeyl`	`oh`
`16:27.43`	`Disconnect`	`so I can tag it here, but ;)`
`16:27.45`	`mickeyl`	`but then again... if you're on collie you want to build the latest`
`16:27.50`	`mickeyl`	`because there are updates done`
`16:28.03`	`Disconnect`	`not always.`
`16:28.04`	`treke\|home`	`hmm.`
`16:28.22`	`treke\|home`	`someone found my husky-gcc2 build of 3.3.5`
`16:28.37`	`mickeyl`	`treke: i checked your directory but the initrd.bin was missing`
`16:28.41`	`mickeyl`	`bbl --> going home`
`16:28.51`	`chouimat`	`-20C outside`
`16:28.54`	`Disconnect`	`..for the same reason that not everone builds 2.6.0-testwhatever-bknewest.. sometimes you just want the release ;)`
`16:29.27`	`dan2003`	`../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/arm/sysdep.S: Assembler messages:`
`16:29.28`	`dan2003`	../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/arm/sysdep.S:31: Error: no such instruction: `rsb r0,r0,$0'
`16:29.43`	`dan2003`	`i must be doing something wrong!`
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`16:57.17`	`gb2`	`hrm. gcc2 compiled stuff here has gcc2_compiled symbols in it`
`17:07.09`	`mattaw`	`gahh I go away for 3 days and you update everything!`
`17:09.04`	`Twiun`	`just for the shear fun of it`
`17:09.11`	`chouimat`	`Twiun: http://termos.rootaccount.org/`
`17:10.04`	`Twiun`	`urgh`
`17:13.00`	`CosmicPenguin`	`treke: A gcc 3.X friendly nanoxdev should be out as soon as I get my gentoo e-build to work`
`17:13.08`	`treke`	`cool`
`17:23.42`	`chouimat`	`hmmm why I ever wrote such crappy code and most of all why it's working`
`17:27.15`	`mattaw`	`chouimat, that line of thought often occurs to me too.`
`17:27.36`	`mattaw`	`right now it applies to : who built that crappy circuit`
`17:27.41`	`mattaw`	`oh me`
`17:28.32`	`chouimat`	`mattaw: hehe I'm checking some old contracts I did to find some usefull thing I maybe able to reuse in my current project ...`
`17:28.50`	`mattaw`	`you mean you get paid????`
`17:28.56`	`mattaw`	`I wish I did`
`17:29.07`	`chouimat`	`mattaw: generaly yes`
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`17:30.58`	`mattaw`	`mickeyl, about done, just going to test the build. PS what was the image .config you used?`
`17:31.12`	`mickeyl`	`hmm`
`17:31.28`	`mickeyl`	`good question`
`17:31.35`	`mickeyl`	`wait - i'll push it`
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`17:33.02`	`Twiun`	`hey redtoade-w`
`17:33.19`	`CIA`	`repository=03buildroot user=11mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de`
`17:33.19`	`CIA`	`07ChangeSet@1.1375 add image config for 3.3.5 release`
`17:33.20`	`mattaw`	`done with changesets`
`17:33.48`	`mattaw`	`pulling now will build image immediately`
`17:34.00`	`mattaw`	`am quite eager to see how it performs`
`17:34.23`	`mickeyl`	`mattaw: which kernel did you build?`
`17:34.49`	`mattaw`	`erm , the shepherd one I think`
`17:34.58`	`mickeyl`	`k`
`17:35.29`	`mattaw`	`yes a long time ago when I did the unofficial/unstable stuff I was told it was a lot better`
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`17:36.21`	`treke`	`mickeyl: oops. Did I not make an image? :p`
`17:36.40`	`mickeyl`	`treke: well... i didn't see the initrd.bin, just the kernel and the rest :)`
`17:36.50`	`redtoade-w`	`Twiun ,yessir? (ma'am?)`
`17:37.04`	`Twiun`	`Sir! :)`
`17:37.14`	`Twiun`	`just bein' friendly :)`
`17:38.09`	`redtoade-w`	`Twiun: oh. hey back at ya`
`17:41.25`	`mattaw`	`mutter still got the qpf-bitstream font conflicts?`
`17:43.59`	`mattaw`	`mickeyl, flashing now`
`17:44.57`	`gb2`	`mickeyl: i think the sanest thing to do is look at the dynamic symbols in the binary`
`17:45.08`	`gb2`	`mickeyl: and do some logic to figure out which of the two mangling formats was used`
`17:46.25`	`mickeyl`	`gb2: right. probably nothing else if it has to be 100% reliable`
`17:46.57`	`mattaw`	`mickeyl, its installing packages to the root fs`
`17:47.15`	`mattaw`	`so it looks like at least semi success`
`17:47.59`	`mickeyl`	`shocking`
`17:48.06`	`mickeyl`	`how big's your rootfs ?`
`17:48.29`	`mattaw`	`16648k`
`17:49.19`	`mattaw`	`something oopsed`
`17:49.28`	`mattaw`	`but opie has just come up`
`17:49.39`	`mickeyl`	`hmm`
`17:49.45`	`mickeyl`	`i suspected something like that.`
`17:50.06`	`mickeyl`	`(rootfs size too large)`
`17:50.49`	`mattaw`	`well got a lot of complaints on startup`
`17:51.02`	`Disconnect`	`mickeyl: just a reminder, don't forget to tag 3.3.5 ('bk tag -r1.1368 v3.3.5')`
`17:51.11`	`mickeyl`	`Disconnect: will do`
`17:51.37`	`mattaw`	`opie desktop is up`
`17:52.04`	`mickeyl`	`astonishing`
`17:52.40`	`mattaw`	`symbol wireless card non responsive`
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`17:55.03`	`mattaw`	`something just died again, but can't see what it is will dmesg it`
`17:56.01`	`mattaw`	`does oz log startup messages anywhere?`
`17:56.29`	`mickeyl`	`not in this kernel`
`17:56.35`	`mickeyl`	`logread`
`17:56.39`	`mickeyl`	`cat /proc/kmsg`
`17:56.46`	`mickeyl`	`if that doesn't show anything it's lost`
`17:59.19`	`mattaw`	`well its got a lot of complaints about missing modules like irda and wlan etx`
`17:59.40`	`mattaw`	`I think I need to rebuild a few packages that depended on the kernel as I pulled and rebuilt the kernel`
`17:59.51`	`mattaw`	`so obviously all the modules need rebuilding`
`18:00.11`	`kergoth`	`bash-2.05$ groups`
`18:00.11`	`kergoth`	`users cvswrite proj_opie proj_opie-noncore proj_oe`
`18:00.16`	`mickeyl`	`didn't you use the kernel-shepherd/poodle config?`
`18:00.17`	`kergoth`	`oe hh.o project exists`
`18:00.28`	`mickeyl`	`morning k`
`18:00.30`	`kergoth`	`morning`
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`18:00.41`	`mattaw`	`mickeyl, yeah but the orinoco stuff etc is a separate package`
`18:00.54`	`mickeyl`	`mattaw: yep`
`18:02.32`	`mattaw`	`keep on getting tslib warnings too`
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`18:05.30`	`mattaw`	`really significant speed gains`
`18:06.40`	`mickeyl`	`yeah, g++ 3 makes a difference for xscale`
`18:06.44`	`dan2003`	`what is the diff between glibc and glibc-initial?`
`18:07.43`	`mattaw`	`ts: pxyp errors like ts: pxyp=93(451/2,1992/0)1`
`18:08.05`	`mattaw`	`incomplete asd opie redraws over them`
`18:08.36`	`gb2`	`dan: you need the libc headers to build the C compiler`
`18:08.48`	`gb2`	`dan: initial does a do_stage for those.`
`18:08.54`	`gb2`	`then the C compiler can build.`
`18:09.02`	`gb2`	`then the C compiler can build libc`
`18:09.08`	`gb2`	`then the C++ compiler can be built`
`18:09.39`	`gb2`	`it's a 5 step process to build a complete toolchain.`
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`18:10.03`	`gb2`	`binutils, libc-initial, gcc-cross-initial, libc, gcc-cross`
`18:10.27`	`dan2003`	`thankyou very much :)`
`18:11.24`	`dan2003`	`i kept trying to nuild glibc cos it is in the depends list but it wouldnt build! at least i know i can skip this for now as glibc-initial builds`
`18:11.38`	`dan2003`	`ok, all makes sense now`
`18:12.02`	`mattaw`	`mickeyl, have rebuilt all kernel dep stuff (hopefully)`
`18:12.26`	`mattaw`	`if I want to rebuild it I just need to remove the stamps/.whatever.binary & stagininstall`
`18:13.23`	`mickeyl`	`yeah`
`18:13.39`	`gb2`	`dan2003: toolchains in OE are in a note quite working state.`
`18:13.44`	`gb2`	`s/note/not/`
`18:13.46`	`kergoth`	`dan2003: um? what makes you think you can skip glibc? glibc-initial is only the headers`
`18:13.48`	`gb2`	`they're very close though`
`18:13.49`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`18:14.01`	`gb2`	`and if you have an already existing toolchain, glibc should build`
`18:14.42`	`dan2003`	`i have 2.95.3 and 3.3 but i have 3.3 in the path`
`18:15.12`	`kergoth`	`dan2003: so whats the failure?`
`18:16.00`	`dan2003`	`2 secs`
`18:17.11`	`dan2003`	`../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/arm/sysdep.S: Assembler messages:`
`18:17.11`	`dan2003`	../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/arm/sysdep.S:31: Error: no such instruction: `rsb r0,r0,$0'
`18:17.14`	`dan2003`	`and theres more`
`18:17.34`	`gb2`	`what does it look like it's using for as there?`
`18:17.43`	`gb2`	`as == the assembler "as"`
`18:17.57`	`gb2`	`or what gcc does it look like it's using?`
`18:18.37`	`dan2003`	`the command starts which ccache gcc`
`18:18.49`	`gb2`	`that's probably wrong`
`18:18.49`	`kergoth`	`heh, paste your local.conf.`
`18:19.09`	`dan2003`	`DL_DIR=/home/dan/dl/z/devel/downloads`
`18:19.09`	`dan2003`	`OEDIR=/home/dan/dl/z/devel/oe`
`18:19.09`	`dan2003`	`OEFILES=/home/dan/dl/z/devel/oe/packages//.oe`
`18:19.17`	`dan2003`	`oopss.. the first line got jopped`
`18:19.22`	`dan2003`	`TARGET_ARCH=arm`
`18:19.27`	`dan2003`	`is the first line`
`18:19.50`	`gb2`	`kergoth: i'll bet emitting some stuff about the target at the beginning of the build might be useful.`
`18:19.58`	`kergoth`	`not a bad idea`
`18:20.04`	`kergoth`	`oebuild or oemake?`
`18:20.04`	`mattaw`	`mickeyl, Insert the network card and it all goes horribly wrong.. looks like a core dump plus backtrace`
`18:20.08`	`dan2003`	`oebuild`
`18:20.30`	`gb2`	`does it do the right thing if you only set one component?`
`18:20.38`	`kergoth`	`should`
`18:20.39`	`dan2003`	`shall states exaclty what i do to try and build?`
`18:20.49`	`mickeyl`	`mallum: make sure you didn't enable CONFIG_HERMES or CONFIG_PCMCIA_HERMES in your kernel config`
`18:20.54`	`mickeyl`	`s/mallum/matt`
`18:21.03`	`kergoth`	`HOST_ARCH is TARGET_ARCH, both _SYS are set via that method, and HOST_PREFIX is TARGET_PREFIX`
`18:21.08`	`mickeyl`	`mattaw: also make sure you built orinoco-0.13, not orinoco-0.9`
`18:21.12`	`kergoth`	`so i see no reason why itd fail..`
`18:21.22`	`mallum`	`mickeyl: did you read my mind ?`
`18:21.27`	`kergoth`	`dan2003: oebuild showdata blah.oe\|grep _PREFIX`
`18:21.46`	`mickeyl`	`mallum: hehe, no sorry`
`18:21.46`	`mallum`	`mickeyl: I do have HERMES set, the two conflict ?`
`18:21.53`	`mickeyl`	`mallum: of course`
`18:21.55`	`mattaw`	`orinoco 13e`
`18:22.07`	`dan2003`	`erm!`
`18:22.08`	`dan2003`	`BUILD_PREFIX=""`
`18:22.08`	`dan2003`	`TARGET_PREFIX=""`
`18:22.08`	`dan2003`	`HOST_PREFIX=""`
`18:22.10`	`mallum`	`mickeyl: so that would be why hostap is segv'ing for me ?`
`18:22.24`	`kergoth`	`hah.`
`18:22.27`	`gb2`	`dan: try grepping for _SYS`
`18:22.38`	`dan2003`	`TARGET_SYS="arm-linux"`
`18:22.38`	`dan2003`	`BUILD_SYS="i686-linux"`
`18:22.38`	`dan2003`	`HOST_SYS="arm-linux"`
`18:22.45`	`mickeyl`	`mallum: probably. because the compiled-in orinoco can also work with prism cards. which is why orinoco first tries to grab your card and then hostap initializes again and then boom`
`18:22.48`	`kergoth`	`build_prefix defaults to blank, host_prefix defaults to target_prefix, target_prefix defaults to build_prefix`
`18:22.52`	`kergoth`	`boom`
`18:23.14`	`dan2003`	`so what do i need to do?`
`18:23.24`	`mattaw`	`mickeyl, both config hermes and config pcmcia hermes are blank`
`18:23.26`	`kergoth`	`target should default to its own components. let users like CosmicPenguin set both TARGET_PREFIX and BUILD_PREFIX for native`
`18:23.41`	`gb2`	`kergoth: target_prefix here defaults to ${TARGET_SYS}-`
`18:23.42`	`kergoth`	`dan2003: add TARGET_PREFIX=${TARGET_SYS}- to your local.conf`
`18:23.49`	`dan2003`	`ok`
`18:24.01`	`kergoth`	`gb2: then your tree isnt up to date`
`18:24.06`	`gb2`	`i thought i pulled your change`
`18:24.07`	`gb2`	`hrm`
`18:24.11`	`kergoth`	`my last cset last night to fix cp's build broke everybody elses`
`18:24.12`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`18:24.13`	`mallum`	`mattaw: hostap is doing the the same thing for me by the sound of it`
`18:24.27`	`gb2`	`ah.. yep, i didn't`
`18:24.30`	`mickeyl`	`mattaw: well... odd. no idea. i have a spectrum on c7x0 and 5500 and it's working fine`
`18:24.42`	`mattaw`	`well I am removing it from the initrd and trying a rebuild`
`18:24.45`	`dan2003`	`i know get`
`18:24.45`	`dan2003`	`dan@tt packages $ oebuild showdata glibc/glibc_2.3.2.oe \|grep _PREFIX`
`18:24.46`	`dan2003`	`BUILD_PREFIX=""`
`18:24.46`	`dan2003`	`TARGET_PREFIX="arm-linux"`
`18:24.46`	`dan2003`	`HOST_PREFIX="arm-linux"`
`18:24.47`	`gb2`	`kergoth: TARGET_PREFIX should probably default to target components`
`18:24.53`	`kergoth`	`gb2: yep, correcting now`
`18:25.01`	`mallum`	`mattaw: do let me know if you figure out a fix for it`
`18:25.09`	`gb2`	`and override it for native builds.`
`18:25.16`	`kergoth`	`done`
`18:25.18`	`kergoth`	`dan2003: bk pull`
`18:25.22`	`dan2003`	`ok`
`18:25.26`	`mattaw`	`that and these blasted tslib warnings whever you tap near the edge of the screen`
`18:25.28`	`kergoth`	`(in the OE repos)`
`18:25.32`	`gb2`	`dan: and nuke the _PREFIX you added.`
`18:25.39`	`dan2003`	`k`
`18:25.39`	`mallum`	`kergoth: I added freetype and fontconfig to oe today`
`18:26.10`	`kergoth`	`ah nice`
`18:26.28`	`mallum`	`dinner time, brb`
`18:26.30`	`Twiun`	`mallum: nice one`
`18:30.43`	`chouimat`	`today it's -20C but they forecast 15C next week`
`18:30.50`	`dan2003`	`ouch`
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`18:31.27`	`mattaw`	`mickeyl, the card goes in the thing dumps, and then the CF is invisible to opie but still responds to card ctl etc`
`18:32.55`	`mattaw`	`actually no, the slot is hung`
`18:33.09`	`mickeyl`	`mattaw: i fear this is a timing issue with cardmgr / kernel 2.4.18-embedix. apparantly some models have more problems than others.`
`18:33.35`	`mickeyl`	`this explains people saying "3.3.5 rocks" and the same amount of people telling "3.3.5 suckz"`
`18:33.38`	`mickeyl`	`:D`
`18:33.38`	`mattaw`	`blast`
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`18:34.04`	`mickeyl`	`needs someone closely looking and debugging what's going wrong there`
`18:34.07`	`mattaw`	`new modules? or just use an old kernel`
`18:34.17`	`mickeyl`	`yeah, just go back to 2.4.6 if you want`
`18:34.19`	`mickeyl`	`ah no`
`18:34.23`	`mickeyl`	`you can't go back to 2.4.6 on 5600`
`18:34.26`	`mickeyl`	`no idea`
`18:34.43`	`mattaw`	`I have had 2.4.18 working fine up till now. I could use the old orinoco setup?`
`18:35.06`	`mickeyl`	`maybe`
`18:35.23`	`mattaw`	`thats pretty much the only change right?`
`18:35.56`	`mickeyl`	`i don't know if anything changed for poodle since your last build`
`18:36.08`	`mickeyl`	`must be, because of the problems`
`18:36.14`	`mickeyl`	`but i'm not sure what exactly`
`18:36.32`	`mickeyl`	`substituting packets with old ones would help`
`18:36.36`	`mickeyl`	`to diagnose the problem`
`18:36.42`	`mattaw`	`true, true`
`18:40.29`	`mallum`	`its happening to me on a c760`
`18:41.38`	`W8TVI`	`how do you add something to the path in linux?`
`18:41.59`	`mattaw`	`export PATH=$PATH:<watever>`
`18:42.04`	`mattaw`	`in bash#`
`18:45.52`	`mattaw`	`mallum, you get a core dump whrn you plug in a symbol wireless cf?`
`18:45.55`	`W8TVI`	`ah`
`18:45.59`	`W8TVI`	`thanks`
`18:48.40`	`mallum`	`mattaw: yep, hostap with a linksys cf card`
`18:48.45`	`mallum`	`mattaw: it used to work fine`
`18:48.48`	`mattaw`	`mickeyl, aqpkg wont go`
`18:48.58`	`mickeyl`	`then you forgot to include libstdc++`
`18:48.59`	`mallum`	`mattaw: always used 2.4.18`
`18:49.01`	`mattaw`	`says cant open main winbdow`
`18:49.56`	`mattaw`	`you need to copy by hand by dependency satisfied?`
`18:50.22`	`mattaw`	`up and running!!`
`18:53.07`	`treke`	`kergoth: oliver really doesnt get it does he? :)`
`18:53.24`	`mickeyl`	`na na`
`18:53.27`	`mickeyl`	`don't say that`
`18:53.31`	`mickeyl`	`he begs to differ`
`18:54.11`	`kergoth`	`he missed my point. i'm not arguing for removing something we provide to the user, i'm arguing for moving its responsibility into the hands of distribution maintainers.`
`18:54.58`	`mickeyl`	`i agree`
`18:54.59`	`treke`	`It doesnt really make sense for opie to basically repackage openzaurus and as a result take on the openzaurus workload on top of the opie work.`
`18:55.05`	`kergoth`	`exactly.`
`18:55.20`	`mallum`	`mattaw: orinoco_cs core dumps for me too I've just discovered :/`
`18:55.23`	`kergoth`	`we're already short handed, taking on shit outside of our scope is just loading us down further`
`18:55.29`	`mattaw`	`well its just worked`
`18:55.33`	`mickeyl`	`btw.... did we conclude on removing or not qpdf into the Attic ?`
`18:55.51`	`mallum`	`mattaw: orinoco_cs worked for you ?`
`18:56.05`	`mattaw`	`yes`
`18:56.15`	`mattaw`	`I am going to try removing and reinserting it`
`18:57.34`	`mallum`	`mattaw: what did you change ?`
`18:58.17`	`mattaw`	`nothing that I am aware of I just rebuilt a number of things, like the orinioco, pcmcia_cs, irda etc`
`18:59.46`	`mattaw`	`just rebooted and it came up no problem`
`19:00.24`	`mallum`	`mattaw: with no hostap built ?`
`19:00.34`	`mattaw`	`nope its there alright`
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`19:01.48`	`mallum`	`how odd`
`19:08.03`	`mattaw`	`indeed`
`19:08.32`	`treke`	`everytime you go away it marks half the channels I'm in as active.`
`19:09.06`	`mattaw`	`need to find a way of turning off the console messaf`
`19:09.12`	`mattaw`	`need to find a way of turning off the console messages!`
`19:09.30`	`kergoth`	`echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/printk`
`19:09.53`	`mattaw`	`lifesaver!`
`19:09.59`	`gb2`	`duh`
`19:10.04`	`gb2`	`i should have thought of that`
`19:10.39`	`kergoth`	`hrm, need caffeine, brb`
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`19:14.35`	`kergoth`	`drw: hey dan`
`19:14.56`	`drw`	`hey kergoth`
`19:15.16`	`kergoth`	`how ya been?`
`19:16.17`	`drw`	`not bad...net great, but not bad`
`19:16.23`	`drw`	`s/net/not/`
`19:27.24`	`dan2003`	`yay, i bilt a glibc ipkg!`
`19:30.29`	`mattaw`	`am attempting mediaplayer2`
`19:33.54`	`mickey\|tv`	`mattaw: while you're there, check libxine. somehow the oss output plugin is not compiled in... (D'oh!)`
`19:35.28`	`mattaw`	`you want me to check it how?`
`19:35.42`	`mattaw`	`opieplayer sigsev at the mometn`
`19:35.57`	`mickey\|tv`	`uhm... like... checking what we are missing in the buildroot and fixing :)`
`19:36.00`	`kergoth`	`whee, we need a standard naming convention for variables that affect the build`
`19:36.06`	`kergoth`	`ala portage's USE`
`19:36.06`	`Twiun`	`mickey\|tv: ok, tracked down the problem... dns issue - I'll fix it later tonight`
`19:37.49`	`mattaw`	`so we need xine lib to build the oss plugin, right?`
`19:37.54`	`mickey\|tv`	`Twiun: good`
`19:37.58`	`mickey\|tv`	`mattaw: yeah`
`19:38.01`	`mickey\|tv`	`d'oh`
`19:38.08`	`mickey\|tv`	`just flashed cacko's X11 rom`
`19:38.14`	`mickey\|tv`	`nice installer`
`19:38.19`	`treke`	`Hows performance in landscape mode?`
`19:38.30`	`mickey\|tv`	`and his console framebuffer is like.... 1000% of ours`
`19:38.35`	`mickey\|tv`	`console`
`19:38.37`	`mickey\|tv`	`can't start X`
`19:42.17`	`kergoth`	`hey nice`
`19:42.37`	`kergoth`	`intel has some handy wrapping code around posix threads that would be useful for spawning off the build jobs in the new oe core`
`19:50.45`	`mattaw`	`mickey\|tv, built a much cut down ramdisk, will experiment further`
`19:53.18`	`Twiun`	`mickey\|tv: 1000% of ours what? better, larger, brighter?`
`19:53.31`	`treke`	`it's more fun.`
`19:56.35`	`mattaw`	`mickey\|tv, well there is no explicit option to build with oss support so I suppose it is supposed to detect it`
`19:56.57`	`mattaw`	`I am guessing it could be bodged`
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`20:00.05`	`W8TVI`	`hey TimRiker`
`20:00.20`	`W8TVI`	`TimRiker: did you get a yopy?`
`20:02.31`	`mallum`	`mickey\|tv: is the cacko rom publically available ?`
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`20:06.09`	`mattaw`	`what does oz use to perform dhcp?`
`20:10.22`	`mickey\|tv`	`Twiun: 1000% faster`
`20:10.34`	`mickey\|tv`	`mallum: yeah. cacko.biz`
`20:10.38`	`mickey\|tv`	`mattaw: udhcpc`
`20:10.45`	`mickey\|tv`	`bbl, commercial break's over`
`20:11.55`	`Twiun`	`mickey\|tv: ahhh`
`20:16.27`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`20:16.32`	`kergoth`	`UPnP is pretty cool`
`20:16.49`	`kergoth`	`i like its ability to control devices.. i dont think rendezvous has that`
`20:17.51`	`Twiun`	`rendezvous from tibco?`
`20:18.01`	`Twiun`	`I thought that was purely a messaging transport?`
`20:18.30`	`kergoth`	`rendezvous, the apple device/service discovery & automatic ip assignment stuff`
`20:18.47`	`kergoth`	`which is actually zeroconf and multicast dns and dns service discovery n stuff`
`20:18.47`	`Twiun`	`ahh`
`20:19.00`	`kergoth`	`its what they replaced appletalk with`
`20:19.39`	`Twiun`	`gotcha`
`20:19.40`	`W8TVI`	`kergoth: its too bad that MS's version of it is flawed`
`20:19.46`	`Twiun`	`I do wish companies would come up with new names`
`20:19.54`	`W8TVI`	`and has vuneralbilitys`
`20:19.56`	`kergoth`	`W8TVI: you mean their implementation?`
`20:19.57`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`20:19.59`	`Twiun`	`instead of reusing and then sueing`
`20:20.02`	`kergoth`	`Twiun: heh, agreed`
`20:20.19`	`W8TVI`	`kergoth: yeah implementation`
`20:20.43`	`W8TVI`	`got a headache and didn't want to try to remember how to speel it`
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`20:23.06`	`mattaw`	`gnight`
`20:23.12`	`W8TVI`	`night?`
`20:23.24`	`W8TVI`	`its only 3:23pm!`
`20:23.26`	`W8TVI`	`:P`
`20:23.29`	`mattaw`	`a little more work and I should have an acceptable 3.3.5 but I think the wireless network here has gone down`
`20:23.46`	`mattaw`	`either that or for no reason at all udhcp is failing`
`20:23.52`	`mattaw`	`when it worked a moment ago`
`20:23.55`	`gb2`	`w8tvi: it'll be dark in less than an hour`
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`20:25.17`	`W8TVI`	`ibot wanna cyber is <reply> No $nick! you filthy pervert!`
`20:25.20`		`W8TVI: okay`
`20:25.28`	`W8TVI`	`er.. did I do that right?`
`20:26.02`	`W8TVI`	`hrmm`
`20:26.05`	`dan2003`	`hoho`
`20:26.12`	`W8TVI`	`ibot: wanna cyber?`
`20:26.13`		`No w8tvi! you filthy pervert!`
`20:26.17`	`W8TVI`	`:)`
`20:26.30`	`kergoth`	`hey pb_, who do you go through for your ipv6 connectivity?`
`20:27.12`	`kergoth`	`hmmm`
`20:27.22`	`kergoth`	`gah, too damn much to do before tuesdya`
`20:27.46`	`pb_`	`kergoth: right now I just use 6to4.`
`20:28.32`	`treke`	`actually it's 30after12`
`20:28.53`	`W8TVI`	`no, its 28after3`
`20:30.10`	`Disconnect`	`kergoth: I recommend freenet6..`
`20:31.24`	`gb2`	`13-24-2-hike!`
`20:32.59`	`kergoth`	`Disconnect: k, thanks`
`20:33.22`	`treke`	`Why exactly would you care about ipv6 connectivity?`
`20:33.35`	`kergoth`	`i'd rather use it than NAT, personally`
`20:34.05`	`pb_`	`right.`
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`20:34.49`	`zlvr`	`hi there are there any pics of OZ 3.3.5 in action anywhere on the web ?`
`20:35.01`	`Disconnect`	`kergoth: you do realize that it doesn't get you access to ipv4 hosts..`
`20:35.01`	`treke`	`opie.handhelds.org`
`20:35.23`	`zlvr`	`hi treke ... long time ...thx ... let me try it out`
`20:37.48`	`zlvr`	`treke ... those are Opie screenshots ... are they with OZ 3.3.5?`
`20:38.05`	`treke`	`zlvr: The difference is?`
`20:38.26`	`treke`	`most of those were probably taken on an ipaq`
`20:38.56`	`zlvr`	`ok .. I'd basically like to see what are the changes from the prev versions of OZ for the C750 ...`
`20:39.05`	`treke`	`There are none.`
`20:39.18`	`treke`	`it looks exactly the same.`
`20:39.23`	`zlvr`	`OZ 3.3.5 uses Opie ver 1.?.? ?`
`20:39.30`	`treke`	`1.0.3`
`20:39.46`	`zlvr`	`aah I see .. so whats new with OZ 3.3.5 ? The buildroot and stuff ?`
`20:39.51`	`zlvr`	`no new software etc ?`
`20:39.59`	`treke`	`bug fixes`
`20:40.01`	`treke`	`probably a lot of them`
`20:40.05`	`zlvr`	`oh ok`
`20:40.08`	`zlvr`	`cool`
`20:40.28`	`zlvr`	`thx`
`20:40.40`	`treke`	`visually it looks the same as the previous c750 images since those snapshots are essentiall 3.3.4`
`20:41.03`	`zlvr`	`ok`
`20:42.05`	`zlvr`	`thx ... a lot more stable though I guess than 3.3.4 ? 3.3.4 used to bring up the console messages even when in the GUI, thereby screwing up te GUI ... guess thats fixed now .... I don't have my CF reader to back up my stuff so I'll give )Z 3.3.5 a shot later this weekend`
`20:42.42`	`kergoth`	`bleh`
`20:42.45`	`treke`	`that's just mickey\|tv's insistance on enabling console on the tty :)`
`20:42.50`	`treke`	`the husky images never did that`
`20:42.57`	`zlvr`	`hmmm`
`20:43.04`	`kergoth`	`my releases wont, unless you flash a verbose kernel`
`20:43.15`	`kergoth`	`it feels more professional with it silenced`
`20:43.15`	`zlvr`	`ok :) cool ... testing this weekend`
`20:43.27`	`treke`	`mickey\|tv: also keeps including that damn sysreq patch`
`20:43.32`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`20:43.32`	`treke`	`which breaks the home button`
`20:43.32`	`zlvr`	`thx kergoth ... Hi, btw, how are things at TI ?`
`20:43.36`	`kergoth`	`that belongs in a debug kernel`
`20:43.38`	`kergoth`	`not normal`
`20:43.57`	`kergoth`	`zlvr: quite good.. spending more time than i'd like as a build monkey.. but hey`
`20:44.14`	`zlvr`	`thats neat`
`20:44.52`	`kergoth`	`shit, oeimage needs a filename argument for the image it outputs`
`20:45.22`	`treke`	`is oeimage still do_install based?`
`20:45.31`	`kergoth`	`you mean oeinstall`
`20:45.32`	`kergoth`	`no, it isnt`
`20:45.48`	`kergoth`	`it installs packages from PACKAGES`
`20:45.58`	`kergoth`	`works pretty well too`
`20:46.09`	`treke`	`cool. With ipkg?`
`20:46.10`	`kergoth`	`currently only the 'tar' install method is supported`
`20:46.11`	`zlvr`	`ok friends ... later ... gotta get back to work now :)`
`20:46.14`	`treke`	`ah`
`20:46.15`	`kergoth`	`need to add ipkg`
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`20:46.56`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:46.57`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:47.09`	`kergoth`	`package_ipk_install isnt defined yet`
`20:47.10`	`kergoth`	`:)`
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`20:57.48`	`kergoth`	`hm, i think its about time i make the package task strip things`
`20:59.21`	`Disconnect`	`kergoth: let the scripts set some form of no-strip flag..`
`20:59.52`	`Disconnect`	`(and btw, whats up with the toolchain-sources-3.3.6 plan?)`
`21:00.12`	`kergoth`	`i'm swamped at work, i have a deadline tuesday`
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`21:02.05`	`kergoth`	`Disconnect: can you do me a favor and check if e2fsck on 3.3.5 is statically or dynamically linked?`
`21:04.06`	`Disconnect`	`sure`
`21:04.15`	`kergoth`	`thanks`
`21:04.20`	`Disconnect`	`looks dynamic`
`21:04.27`	`kergoth`	`how large is it?`
`21:04.45`	`Ruied_Zaurus`	`where can I find ipkg servers to put in my ipkg.conf?`
`21:05.04`	`kergoth`	`Ruied_Zaurus: this isnt the place for that, #zaurus or #openzaurus are`
`21:05.44`	`Ruied_Zaurus`	`k`
`21:09.09`	`W8TVI`	`ibot convert 39.1 c to f`
`21:12.16`	`gb2`	`c is the speed of light`
`21:12.31`	`gb2`	`not a temperature`
`21:24.10`	`kergoth`	`heh, glibc in oe needs more package granularity`
`21:24.18`	`kergoth`	`we dont exactly need 5mb of gconv data most of the time`
`21:24.25`	`mickeyl`	`hah. not really :)`
`21:24.31`	`treke`	`hmm. I cant focus today`
`21:25.01`	`kergoth`	`theres another 5.8M of terminfo.. guess ncurses needs more granularity as well`
`21:25.25`	`kergoth`	`db3 wasnt even including the db3 libs in the main package, it was in -dev`
`21:25.26`	`kergoth`	`heeh`
`21:25.49`	`treke`	`and by focus, I don't mean pay attention to a project, but actually keep my eyes focused :)`
`21:26.03`	`kergoth`	`doh, that sounds annoying`
`21:26.38`	`treke`	`maybe I should have my eyes checked. Doesnt happen often, just once or twice a year`
`21:26.52`	`kergoth`	`probably a good idea`
`21:27.03`	`kergoth`	`im supposed to wear contacts.. my left eye is really bad, but my right was always 20-20`
`21:27.05`	`treke`	`I suspect they are fine though`
`21:27.07`	`kergoth`	`s/contacts/contact/`
`21:28.28`	`gb2`	`kergoth: i was going to break it up when i fixed it and uclibc to coexist better`
`21:30.09`	`gb2`	`kergoth: i have a friend who has that same one contact deal`
`21:30.16`	`gb2`	`and i met another as well`
`21:32.07`	`kergoth`	`thing is, i havent worn glasses or contact in like 7 years`
`21:32.16`	`kergoth`	`so my right eye is going bad due to having to do most of hte work`
`21:32.19`	`kergoth`	`so now i need two`
`21:32.19`	`kergoth`	`:\`
`21:32.47`	`gb2`	`:\|`
`21:32.50`	`gb2`	`i want lasik`
`21:33.01`	`kergoth`	`i'd like it too, but i've heard bad stories too`
`21:33.06`	`gb2`	`yeah`
`21:33.08`	`kergoth`	`my mom's eye kept healing what the surgery did`
`21:33.21`	`kergoth`	`so she's been in 6 times now after her eyesight keeps going bad again`
`21:33.24`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`21:33.28`	`gb2`	`everyone i personally know who'se gotten it has been great`
`21:34.13`	`treke`	`my dad had it`
`21:34.28`	`treke`	`was great for him`
`21:34.51`	`treke`	`then again he knows good eye doctors :)`
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`21:35.17`	`kergoth`	`~ # telnet localhost`
`21:35.23`	`kergoth`	`kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k binfmt-464c, errno = 2`
`21:35.23`	`kergoth`	`/usr/bin/telnet: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected`
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`21:35.23`	`kergoth`	`damnit`
`21:35.27`	`kergoth`	`netkit keeps stripping shit with the wrong strip`
`21:35.49`	`kergoth`	`"no machine"`
`21:35.50`	`gb2`	`i almost became the netkit maintainer once`
`21:36.43`	`gb2`	`hrm, i just read a post claiming that ioctl() doesn't get the same syscall restarting that other syscalls get. so you shouldn't return -ERESTARTSYS from one..`
`21:36.46`	`gb2`	`hrmmm`
`21:36.59`	`gb2`	`that sounds fishy`
`21:37.35`	`pb_`	`kergoth: heh. I think Nick just checked in a patch to strip so that it will fail when that happens, rather than just destroying your binary.`
`21:37.45`	`kergoth`	`pb_: hey thatd be nice`
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`21:41.25`	`mickeyl`	`treke: <pester> please look @ why kernel-h3600 is not building in buildroot </pester> I'd like to have OpenIpaq 3.3.5...`
`21:41.38`	`treke`	`mickeyl: Your guess is as good as mine :p`
`21:41.49`	`mickeyl`	`ah noo... it's your package :)`
`21:42.33`	`treke`	`ok. I have an ipaq coming down to me`
`21:42.34`	`kergoth`	`is openipaq versioned differently or does it follow the OZ scheme?`
`21:42.43`	`TMM1`	`wgats new`
`21:42.51`	`W8TVI`	`mickeyl: it hates you`
`21:42.54`	`mickeyl`	`I'd say OZ scheme - it's mature enough`
`21:43.04`	`mickeyl`	`W8TVI: hehe, probably.`
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`21:43.49`	`treke`	`pb_: Is alsa still the way to go for sound or should I use oss on an ipaq-sa?`
`21:44.02`	`pb_`	`I recommend alsa.`
`21:44.23`	`treke`	`ok. Last I used it, people were flipflopping on which to use :)`
`21:44.57`	`W8TVI`	`mickeyl: it wants you to release the next version of wellenreiter`
`21:45.23`	`kergoth`	`ahhh`
`21:45.31`	`mickeyl`	`W8TVI: hehe... actually... i kind of release 1.0.1... but solely for PXA-OZ 3.3.5`
`21:45.40`	`mickeyl`	`s/release/released`
`21:45.53`	`darkschneider`	`cough...`
`21:45.55`	`pb_`	`treke: yah. on pxa, that's still true now, but the ALSA drivers for strongarm are relatively mature.`
`21:46.11`	`chouimat`	`mickeyl: what is the status of opie head?`
`21:46.12`	`treke`	`ah`
`21:46.36`	`W8TVI`	`mickeyl: grrr!`
`21:46.49`	`mickeyl`	`chouimat: technically good. most stuff builds. no idea about packaging though.`
`21:46.52`	`kergoth`	`hrm`
`21:47.11`	`kergoth`	`we should start the transitioning sometime soon`
`21:47.23`	`chouimat`	`mickeyl: ok I think I will base my DC stuff on it then`
`21:47.25`	`mickeyl`	`W8TVI: I'm fighting against spectrum_cs and hostap_cs not behaving according to the wireless extension specs... that holds back an official 1.0.1...`
`21:47.39`	`mickeyl`	`chouimat: nice!`
`21:48.03`	`kergoth`	`anyone here ever written code that uses multicast?`
`21:48.06`	`darkschneider`	`mm open1x is working correctly?`
`21:48.13`	`chouimat`	`but I'm currently fixing my build stuff ... and teambuilder doesn't seem to like 2.6.0-test11`
`21:48.23`	`pb_`	`kergoth: yeah, once upon a time.`
`21:48.24`	`darkschneider`	`kergoth: multicast network?`
`21:48.39`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: yes`
`21:48.53`	`pb_`	`in the bad old days when I worked on interactive TV systems.`
`21:48.55`	`kergoth`	`know any decent resources on the subject? never touched it before, but need to`
`21:49.12`	`pb_`	`not that I can think of, but there isn't a whole lot to know about it.`
`21:49.12`	`W8TVI`	`mickeyl: /me wishes that hostap worked right... that way it'd stop crashing kismet when the driver desided that it didn't want to work right anymore`
`21:49.17`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: i need to check`
`21:49.24`	`Twiun`	`only used it from Java, it's not really that difficult`
`21:49.30`	`kergoth`	`k, cool`
`21:49.46`	`pb_`	`I guess there's the Stevens networking book, and the manpages. beyond that, dunno.`
`21:50.11`	`Twiun`	`you register to listen to a multicast address and you send to it... multicast addresses are normal ip addresses in the 224.x.x.x tange iirc`
`21:50.14`	`darkschneider`	`ok nigth all.. my brain is gone for today...`
`21:50.25`	`Twiun`	`and other than them not crossing subnets there's not much else`
`21:50.41`	`Twiun`	`s/tange/range/`
`21:53.14`	`kergoth`	`Twiun: cool, easy enough then`
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`21:53.35`	`Twiun`	`kergoth: yeah, there must be an RFC around for them`
`21:53.42`	`Twiun`	`kergoth: it's that kind of stuff`
`21:54.19`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: you can also look at mbone applications source`
`21:54.34`	`Twiun`	`kergoth: oh yeah, and it's udp based`
`21:55.00`	`Twiun`	`kergoth: erm... was what I just explained unicast or multicast...`
`21:55.52`	`kergoth`	`chouimat: ah, good idea`
`21:56.03`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: you can also look here http://fiddle.visc.vt.edu/courses/ece4564/lectures.html`
`21:56.09`	`dan2003`	`erm.. bug with Oe for gcc-cross-initial?`
`21:56.10`	`dan2003`	`dan@tt packages $ oebuild showdata glib/glib_1.2.10.oe \|grep _PREFIX`
`21:56.10`	`dan2003`	`BUILD_PREFIX=""`
`21:56.10`	`dan2003`	`TARGET_PREFIX="arm-linux-"`
`21:56.10`	`dan2003`	`HOST_PREFIX="arm-linux-"`
`21:56.20`	`dan2003`	`dan@tt packages $ oebuild showdata gcc/gcc-initial-cross_3.3.2.oe \|grep _PREFIX`
`21:56.20`	`dan2003`	`BUILD_PREFIX=""`
`21:56.20`	`dan2003`	`TARGET_PREFIX="arm-linux-"`
`21:56.20`	`dan2003`	`HOST_PREFIX=""`
`21:56.20`	`dan2003`	`dan@tt packages $`
`21:56.28`	`dan2003`	`sorry, got wring 1 first time`
`21:56.31`	`kergoth`	`dan2003: thats exactly what you'd expect.`
`21:56.41`	`kergoth`	`-cross is building a crosscompiler. a crosscompiler is built with a native compiler.`
`21:56.44`	`dan2003`	`for the gcc one?`
`21:56.51`	`kergoth`	`yes, thats exactly what you'd expect.`
`21:57.06`	`kergoth`	`gcc_3.3.2.oe is target. -cross is a crosscompiler build`
`21:57.07`	`dan2003`	`ok. just i get a similar assembler error message to before`
`21:57.31`	`kergoth`	`builds fine here`
`21:57.39`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: look here too http://pont.net/socket/`
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`21:58.02`	`dan2003`	`i even used the envs etup script instead of doing it manually to make sure i get it right!`
`21:58.07`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: last url 3. IP multicast`
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`21:58.57`	`dan2003`	`ahh! i think i missed a depneds`
`21:59.36`	`dan2003`	`maybe not`
`21:59.59`	`dan2003`	`oh well, this on ewill have to wait till monday, im gonna get some kip, l8rs`
`22:05.39`	`gb2`	`i think someone must be confused`
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`22:12.21`	`Ruied_Zaurus`	`I`
`22:38.20`	`kergoth`	`whee`
`22:38.31`	`kergoth`	`i cant seem to concentrate on all the tasks at hand today`
`22:38.54`	`mickeyl`	`priorize`
`22:48.57`	`Twiun`	`get Tim to prioritise for you`
`22:49.10`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
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`22:51.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`goddamit`
`22:51.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`wtf is up with ups`
`22:53.54`	`mmelbert\|laptop`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:54.13`	`mmelbert\|laptop`	`I have that every day`
`23:03.50`	`kergoth`	`hrm`
`23:06.39`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: I tought I had lost my vmware license file`
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`23:14.51`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: ?`
`23:14.57`	`kergoth`	`glibc atm`
`23:15.04`	`kergoth`	`gconv modules n shit`
`23:15.34`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: fun ... now trying to get QNX 6.2.1 working in vmware ...`
`23:15.40`	`kergoth`	`nice`
`23:16.13`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: yup ... they have released a some vmtools for qnx ... www.openqnx.com`
`23:16.21`	`kergoth`	`cool`
`23:16.47`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: and I'm trying to clean some code and send you a nice email soon`
`23:18.31`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: btw 2.6.0-test11 seems stable ... just to bad I have a problem with teambuilder on it`
`23:21.46`	`TimRiker`	`kergoth: do them all. ;-)`
`23:21.50`	`kergoth`	`saw that coming :)`
`23:21.53`	`TimRiker`	`hehehe`
`23:22.01`	`chouimat`	`hi TimRiker`
`23:22.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so.. who knows how to fix a winxp install that never gets to its bootsplash`
`23:22.29`	`chouimat`	`wtf -20C tonight and 15C next week ....`
`23:22.53`	`chouimat`	`TheMasterMind1: lowlevel format the hd and start over`
`23:23.03`	`treke`	`good one mickey :)`
`23:23.15`	`mickeyl`	`;)`
`23:23.20`	`kergoth`	`?`
`23:23.33`	`mickeyl`	`opie@handhelds.org`
`23:23.38`	`mickeyl`	`battery`
`23:23.42`	`mickeyl`	`familiar+OPIE`
`23:23.53`	`treke`	`yup.`
`23:24.02`	`kergoth`	`ah, no longer on that list. no time to read it`
`23:24.35`	`treke`	`hehe. Somone asked if battery usage increased in familiar`
`23:24.39`	`TimRiker`	`kergoth: I've got a board here so I'm willing to help with jffs2-boot issues. get the nfs stuff up and a compiler ready for the apps team / cm.`
`23:24.47`	`treke`	`but didnt give us any numbers at all`
`23:24.49`	`TimRiker`	`eep, wrong channel... ;-)`
`23:25.11`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: I'm think to add a filter to kmail that will that my mail according to some keywords ...`
`23:25.11`	`treke`	`hmmmm. insider ti information`
`23:25.15`	`TimRiker`	`now you all know what I'd like kergoth to do.`
`23:25.25`	`TimRiker`	`treke: like it'll help ya. ;-)`
`23:25.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ooh.. is there a secret ti channel`
`23:25.53`	`treke`	`TimRiker: Well know I know that the device your are working on has a "board" and needs a compiler for an "apps" team`
`23:26.21`	`chouimat`	`s/can/can't`
`23:27.06`	`chouimat`	`hmmm my spelling sucks today ... both french and english`
`23:27.48`	`yeiazel`	`not only today`
`23:27.56`	`yeiazel`	`criss de qu�b�cois :)`
`23:28.09`	`chouimat`	`yeiazel: ostie de francais de mes 2 :)`
`23:28.46`	`yeiazel`	`:)`
`23:29.27`	`kergoth`	`~/PET/build/metadata$ ls tmp/deploy/tar/glibc-*`
`23:29.29`	`kergoth`	`tmp/deploy/tar/glibc-2.3.2-r0.tar.gz tmp/deploy/tar/glibc-locales-2.3.2-r0.tar.gz`
`23:29.30`	`yeiazel`	`well`
`23:29.31`	`kergoth`	`tmp/deploy/tar/glibc-dev-2.3.2-r0.tar.gz tmp/deploy/tar/glibc-tools-2.3.2-r0.tar.gz`
`23:29.33`	`yeiazel`	`gonna sleep`
`23:29.34`	`kergoth`	`tmp/deploy/tar/glibc-gconvmodules-2.3.2-r0.tar.gz tmp/deploy/tar/glibc-zoneinfo-2.3.2-r0.tar.gz`
`23:29.37`	`kergoth`	`tmp/deploy/tar/glibc-i18n-2.3.2-r0.tar.gz`
`23:29.40`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`23:29.40`	`kergoth`	`any preferences to the granularity?`
`23:29.44`	`kergoth`	`re: glibc`
`23:30.24`	`kergoth`	`oh, i forgot to name the main one libc6`
`23:30.29`	`TimRiker`	`treke: but you could guess that much before.`
`23:31.17`	`treke`	`TimRiker: You need a vacation.`
`23:31.53`	`TimRiker`	`;-)`
`23:32.03`	`TimRiker`	`on that note, /me heads home`
`23:35.26`	`kergoth`	`bleh, headache`
`23:36.10`	`treke`	`your headache just left`
`23:42.59`	`treke`	`fourth time this week.`
`23:50.19`	`W8TVI`	`We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.`
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`23:50.24`	`bipolar`	`whew... plone can do a lot of shit`

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