| 00:00.51 | kergoth | mithro--: thing is, ipkg needs the equivalent of the shlibdeps debhelper, so that the deps match the linked reality |
| 00:00.56 | kergoth | er ipkg-build, or something |
| 00:01.05 | kergoth | then itd only show up if you use a toolchain that has it shared |
| 00:01.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:01.22 | kergoth | well, ipkg couldnt have it, buildroot could |
| 00:01.24 | kergoth | bleh |
| 00:02.04 | treke | s/buildroot/oe |
| 00:02.05 | treke | :) |
| 00:02.22 | kergoth | yea, that |
| 00:02.28 | mithro-- | hrm could we create a libstdc++ for your image - the familar one doesn't install without -nodeps |
| 00:04.16 | Titeuf | can someone tell me how to compile gcc-cross ? |
| 00:04.36 | kergoth | from the oe metadata repos? you cant build a gcc cross chain for glibc with it |
| 00:04.39 | kergoth | only uclibc |
| 00:04.52 | Titeuf | hum ok |
| 00:05.03 | treke | kergoth: fun. |
| 00:05.10 | Titeuf | thanks |
| 00:05.18 | kergoth | the glibc .oe doesnt install into cross_dir yet |
| 00:05.22 | kergoth | once it does, itll work |
| 00:05.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:05.48 | Titeuf | i've been spending 1 week trying that :/ |
| 00:08.55 | Titeuf | in fact i was trying to make a script to build automaticaly an environment for oe |
| 00:11.08 | W8TVI | :) |
| 00:12.37 | Titeuf | fire up ? |
| 00:12.47 | kergoth | start. |
| 00:12.53 | Titeuf | ok :p |
| 00:13.10 | ljp | start ?? run?? huh? |
| 00:13.38 | Titeuf | my english is really bad :/ |
| 00:14.32 | ljp | your english is better than my German |
| 00:15.30 | Titeuf | lol |
| 00:17.32 | chouimat | Titeuf: can't be worse than my parisian :) |
| 00:18.01 | Titeuf | for your "parisian" I can help :) |
| 00:18.28 | chouimat | Titeuf: I will stick with my pseudo-french (quebec) :) |
| 00:19.01 | chouimat | quoi que les francais utilise plus de mots anglais que nous .... |
| 00:19.13 | Titeuf | oui, c sur |
| 00:20.27 | ljp | let them eat cake! |
| 00:21.27 | chouimat | ljp: hehe |
| 00:33.53 | mmelbert|laptop | and why couldnt /. have posted this yesterday when we all were thinking about something like this: http://www.slimdevices.com/index.html |
| 00:34.22 | mmelbert|laptop | is a bit pricy, doesnt do pictures.....but it is a start |
| 00:35.59 | W8TVI | http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Command-Line_20PDA#1061805927 |
| 00:36.58 | mmelbert|laptop | are there any screenshots??? jk |
| 00:54.04 | chouimat | kergoth: I getting a video from Apocalyptica with Nina Hagen |
| 00:54.19 | kergoth | nice |
| 00:54.46 | chouimat | kergoth: rammstein cover |
| 00:54.50 | tux_mike | hey kerg, chouimat |
| 00:54.57 | chouimat | hey tux_mike |
| 00:56.08 | tux_mike | damn. i wanna play some NWN |
| 00:56.09 | tux_mike | i'm bored |
| 00:56.43 | kergoth | been playin it quite a bit lately myself |
| 00:56.54 | chouimat | tux_mike: I want the nice brunette I meet last weekend |
| 00:57.04 | kergoth | heh, i'll take one of those too |
| 00:57.09 | tux_mike | me too |
| 00:57.15 | tux_mike | or a readhead |
| 00:57.28 | chouimat | kergoth: but you have some problem in dallas with her she's a french |
| 00:57.30 | tux_mike | who is a geek :) |
| 00:59.07 | tux_mike | "How many people can read hex if only you and dead people can read hex?" |
| 00:59.19 | chouimat | tux_mike: 1 |
| 00:59.24 | tux_mike | nope |
| 00:59.26 | tux_mike | think about it |
| 00:59.29 | tux_mike | it's a riddle |
| 00:59.47 | treke | 0x01? |
| 00:59.54 | tux_mike | nope |
| 01:00.09 | treke | they are food |
| 01:00.14 | ljp | meat |
| 01:00.22 | tux_mike | you aren't getting it |
| 01:00.23 | chouimat | tux_mike: dead people can't read |
| 01:00.33 | tux_mike | this has nothing to do with the deceased |
| 01:00.45 | chouimat | anyway TV |
| 01:00.48 | gb2 | i should get more ocalyptica |
| 01:00.49 | ljp | whats hex? |
| 01:00.56 | gb2 | Apocalyptica |
| 01:01.48 | chouimat | gb2: I have all 4 album ... and this rammstein cover is good |
| 01:02.01 | gb2 | where'd you find the rammstein cover? |
| 01:02.18 | chouimat | gb2: someone is DCCing it to me ... it's an avi |
| 01:02.46 | gb2 | ah |
| 01:02.53 | chouimat | gb2: nina hagen is singing in it ... seemann |
| 01:03.13 | tux_mike | btw, the answer to my riddle is 57,006 |
| 01:03.21 | chouimat | why? |
| 01:03.30 | tux_mike | dead |
| 01:03.33 | tux_mike | 0xdead |
| 01:03.42 | tux_mike | 0xdead == 57,005 |
| 01:03.52 | tux_mike | you and dead people == 57,006 |
| 01:04.13 | chouimat | tux_mike: stop i'm peeing on me |
| 01:04.23 | ljp | wouldnt that be 1xdead ? ;) |
| 01:04.24 | tux_mike | o.o |
| 01:04.26 | kergoth | 0x1 & 0xdead = 0x1 :P |
| 01:04.32 | tux_mike | 1 + 0xdead |
| 01:04.43 | tux_mike | 0x is the identifier for hex |
| 01:04.50 | tux_mike | 0 is the octal identifyer |
| 01:05.04 | gb2 | why us "you" 1? |
| 01:05.07 | kergoth | i was pointing out the ambiguity of 'and' in this context |
| 01:05.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:05.22 | tux_mike | you, the person, you are one person |
| 01:05.42 | ljp | heh.. gotcha! |
| 01:05.43 | tux_mike | one person plus 0xdead people is 0xdeae, or 57,006 |
| 01:05.44 | treke | dead doesnt necesarrily imply that it's an octol number :) |
| 01:05.55 | treke | so our answers are perfectly valid :p |
| 01:06.09 | tux_mike | dead can only be hex |
| 01:06.11 | kergoth | the rest of the sentence is ascii, what makes 'dead' literal hex as opposed to the ascii values? |
| 01:06.13 | gb2 | i prefer 0xcafebabe anyway |
| 01:06.15 | tux_mike | octal is 0-7 |
| 01:06.17 | ljp | ya, shoulda said 0xdead, if you meant that! |
| 01:06.39 | tux_mike | kergoth: because it's a riddle! riddles have little twists like that :) |
| 01:06.51 | ljp | riddle fiddle |
| 01:07.17 | treke | hmmm. I'm making nooses out of twist wraps. |
| 01:07.21 | treke | is that a bad sign? |
| 01:07.24 | kergoth | nah |
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| 01:08.11 | treke | now I just need to make a little man to hang |
| 01:09.52 | ljp | Sugar: make treke a long island ice tea |
| 01:10.19 | treke | there. a little man |
| 01:10.19 | tux_mike | sugar: make me a sex on the beach |
| 01:10.21 | Sugar | Yeah right, luser! |
| 01:12.45 | tux_mike | sugar: make me a slippery nipple |
| 01:13.08 | tux_mike | guess not |
| 01:26.55 | chouimat | tux_mike: tooo bad |
| 01:27.10 | tux_mike | those are good, too |
| 01:28.34 | chouimat | gb2: the avi is great |
| 01:32.16 | tux_mike | damn damn damn |
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| 01:47.29 | kergoth | heh, that build is still going. spiffy |
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| 02:39.25 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: someone just give an idea of project for a vba class: write an postscript interpreter in it and embedded PS file in words doc |
| 02:44.19 | mithro-- | how much flash does the c760 have? |
| 02:44.36 | W8TVI | Sugar cyborg w8tvi |
| 02:44.37 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>W.T.V.I.: Worker Trained for Violence and Infiltration</B> |
| 02:45.01 | chouimat | Sugar: cyborg chouimat |
| 02:45.01 | Sugar | chouimat: Correct syntax is: cyborg name(2-7 chars long) |
| 02:45.05 | chouimat | Sugar: cyborg bob |
| 02:45.06 | Sugar | chouimat: <B>B.O.B.: Being Optimized for Battle</B> |
| 02:45.25 | W8TVI | Sugar cyborg david |
| 02:45.26 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>D.A.V.I.D.: Digital Artificial Violence and Infiltration Device</B> |
| 02:46.10 | chouimat | Sugar: cyborg Daryl |
| 02:46.11 | Sugar | chouimat: <B>D.A.R.Y.L.: Digital Artificial Repair and Yardwork Lifeform</B> |
| 02:47.42 | W8TVI | D.A.R.Y.L. (Data Analyzing Robot Youth Lifeform) |
| 02:48.20 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg Daryl |
| 02:48.22 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>D.A.R.Y.L.: Digital Artificial Repair and Yardwork Lifeform</B> |
| 02:48.33 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg kergoth |
| 02:48.34 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>K.E.R.G.O.T.H.: Kinetic Electronic Replicant Generated for Observation and Terran Harm</B> |
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| 02:49.02 | chouimat | Sugar: cyborg mathieu |
| 02:49.03 | Sugar | chouimat: <B>M.A.T.H.I.E.U.: Mechanical Artificial Technician Hardwired for Infiltration and Efficient Utility</B> |
| 02:49.16 | chouimat | Sugar: cyborg chris |
| 02:49.16 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg noda |
| 02:49.17 | Sugar | chouimat: <B>C.H.R.I.S.: Cybernetic Humanoid Responsible for Infiltration and Sabotage</B> |
| 02:49.18 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>N.O.D.A.: Networked Organism Designed for Assassination</B> |
| 02:49.32 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg tux |
| 02:49.33 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>T.U.X.: Technician Used for Xenocide</B> |
| 02:49.46 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg treke |
| 02:49.47 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>T.R.E.K.E.: Technician Responsible for Efficient Killing and Exploration</B> |
| 02:50.07 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg Sugar |
| 02:50.08 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>S.U.G.A.R.: Synthetic Unit Generated for Assassination and Repair</B> |
| 02:50.22 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 02:50.26 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg ChanServ |
| 02:50.26 | Sugar | W8TVI: Correct syntax is: cyborg name(2-7 chars long) |
| 02:50.31 | W8TVI | grrr |
| 02:50.41 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg mickeyl |
| 02:50.42 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>M.I.C.K.E.Y.L.: Mechanical Intelligent Construct Keen on Exploration and Your Learning</B> |
| 02:50.43 | _Psycho | sugar: cyborg _Psycho |
| 02:50.44 | Sugar | _Psycho: <B>P.S.Y.C.H.O.: Positronic Synthetic Youth Calibrated for Hazardous Observation</B> |
| 02:50.44 | chouimat | Sugar: cyborg beer |
| 02:50.46 | Sugar | chouimat: <B>B.E.E.R.: Being Engineered for Exploration and Repair</B> |
| 02:50.53 | chouimat | Sugar: cyborg piss |
| 02:50.54 | Sugar | chouimat: <B>P.I.S.S.: Person Intended for Scientific Sabotage</B> |
| 02:51.11 | chouimat | lol |
| 02:51.13 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg AAAAA |
| 02:51.14 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>A.A.A.A.A.: Artificial Android Assembled for Assassination and Analysis</B> |
| 02:51.27 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg AAAAAAA |
| 02:51.28 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>A.A.A.A.A.A.A.: Artificial Advanced Android Assembled for Assassination and Accurate Analysis</B> |
| 02:51.37 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg lpotter |
| 02:51.38 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>L.P.O.T.T.E.R.: Lifelike Positronic Organism Trained for Troubleshooting and Efficient Repair</B> |
| 02:51.51 | W8TVI | hey! it got it right |
| 02:51.53 | W8TVI | :) |
| 02:51.54 | Pendalar | do me =-/ |
| 02:52.02 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg Pendalar |
| 02:52.02 | Sugar | W8TVI: Correct syntax is: cyborg name(2-7 chars long) |
| 02:52.05 | Pendalar | doh |
| 02:52.08 | Pendalar | dammit all |
| 02:52.15 | Pendalar | why can't I ever get anything fun |
| 02:52.17 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg Pendalr |
| 02:52.18 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>P.E.N.D.A.L.R.: Positronic Electronic Neohuman Designed for Assassination and Logical Repair</B> |
| 02:52.31 | Pendalar | Sugar: cyborg Neo |
| 02:52.33 | Sugar | Pendalar: <B>N.E.O.: Networked Electronic Organism</B> |
| 02:52.42 | Pendalar | =-x makes sense |
| 02:52.47 | chouimat | Sugar: cyborg uga |
| 02:52.48 | Sugar | chouimat: <B>U.G.A.: Unit Generated for Assassination</B> |
| 02:52.57 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg mithro |
| 02:52.58 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>M.I.T.H.R.O.: Mechanical Individual Trained for Hazardous Repair and Observation</B> |
| 02:53.05 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg ibot |
| 02:53.07 | chouimat | Sugar: cyborg geiseri |
| 02:53.07 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>I.B.O.T.: Intelligent Being Optimized for Troubleshooting</B> |
| 02:53.09 | Sugar | chouimat: <B>G.E.I.S.E.R.I.: General Electronic Individual Skilled in Efficient Repair and Infiltration</B> |
| 02:53.23 | Pendalar | cyborg kergoth |
| 02:53.30 | Pendalar | (probably already been done but I missed it) |
| 02:53.33 | Pendalar | doh |
| 02:53.39 | Pendalar | Sugar: cyborg kergoth |
| 02:53.40 | Sugar | Pendalar: <B>K.E.R.G.O.T.H.: Kinetic Electronic Replicant Generated for Observation and Terran Harm</B> |
| 02:53.48 | Pendalar | yep |
| 02:53.51 | W8TVI | Give a hand grenade to ibot |
| 02:53.58 | Pendalar | this thing is pretty smart heh |
| 02:54.07 | W8TVI | Sugar Give a hand grenade to ibot |
| 02:54.16 | Pendalar | Sugar: cyborg opie |
| 02:54.17 | Sugar | Pendalar: <B>O.P.I.E.: Organism Programmed for Infiltration and Exploration</B> |
| 02:54.21 | Pendalar | Sugar: cyborg oz |
| 02:54.22 | Sugar | Pendalar: <B>O.Z.: Obedient Zombie</B> |
| 02:54.30 | Pendalar | heh that rocks |
| 02:54.36 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg sharp |
| 02:54.38 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>S.H.A.R.P.: Synthetic Humanoid Assembled for Repair and Peacekeeping</B> |
| 02:54.43 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg zaurus |
| 02:54.45 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>Z.A.U.R.U.S.: Zeta Artificial Unit Responsible for Ultimate Sabotage</B> |
| 02:54.53 | W8TVI | yep |
| 02:55.02 | chouimat | Sugar: cyborg ipaq |
| 02:55.03 | Sugar | chouimat: <B>I.P.A.Q.: Individual Programmed for Assassination and Questioning</B> |
| 02:55.09 | Pendalar | heh did you guys code this or was it a readymade script? |
| 02:55.09 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg UNCLE |
| 02:55.09 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>U.N.C.L.E.: Upgraded Networked Construct Limited to Exploration</B> |
| 02:55.24 | chouimat | Sugar: cyborg gnome |
| 02:55.25 | Sugar | chouimat: <B>G.N.O.M.E.: General Networked Organism Manufactured for Exploration</B> |
| 02:55.29 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg gates |
| 02:55.30 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>G.A.T.E.S.: General Android Trained for Exploration and Sabotage</B> |
| 02:55.38 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg bill |
| 02:55.39 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>B.I.L.L.: Biomechanical Intelligent Learning Lifeform</B> |
| 02:55.42 | chouimat | Sugar: cyborg kde |
| 02:55.43 | Sugar | chouimat: <B>K.D.E.: Knight Designed for Exploration</B> |
| 02:55.58 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg xchat |
| 02:55.59 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>X.C.H.A.T.: eXperimental Construct Hardwired for Assassination and Troubleshooting</B> |
| 02:56.24 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg kismet |
| 02:56.25 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>K.I.S.M.E.T.: Kinetic Individual Skilled in Mathematics and Efficient Troubleshooting</B> |
| 02:56.28 | Pendalar | Sugar: cyborg cheese |
| 02:56.29 | Sugar | Pendalar: <B>C.H.E.E.S.E.: Cybernetic Humanoid Engineered for Efficient Sabotage and Exploration</B> |
| 02:56.45 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg imk |
| 02:56.46 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>I.M.K.: Individual Manufactured for Killing</B> |
| 02:56.57 | imk | ... |
| 02:57.00 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg mewyn |
| 02:57.02 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>M.E.W.Y.N.: Mechanical Electronic Worker Yearning for Nullification</B> |
| 02:57.10 | imk | i like that acronym |
| 02:57.18 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg ljp |
| 02:57.19 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>L.J.P.: Lifeform Justified for Peacekeeping</B> |
| 02:57.38 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg bipolar |
| 02:57.39 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>B.I.P.O.L.A.R.: Biomechanical Intelligent Person Optimized for Logical Assassination and Repair</B> |
| 02:57.44 | Pendalar | Sugar: cyborg pen |
| 02:57.45 | Sugar | Pendalar: <B>P.E.N.: Person Engineered for Nullification</B> |
| 02:57.51 | Pendalar | doh =-x |
| 02:57.54 | Pendalar | Sugar: cyborg pend |
| 02:57.55 | Sugar | Pendalar: <B>P.E.N.D.: Person Engineered for Nocturnal Destruction</B> |
| 02:58.02 | Pendalar | that's better... I think |
| 02:58.13 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg TMM |
| 02:58.14 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>T.M.M.: Transforming Mechanical Machine</B> |
| 02:58.14 | chouimat | hmmm you know that you're turning 30 when you find the women 35-43 cute |
| 02:58.24 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg TimRiker |
| 02:58.24 | Sugar | W8TVI: Correct syntax is: cyborg name(2-7 chars long) |
| 02:58.36 | Pendalar | what if you've always liked older women? |
| 02:58.44 | kergoth | Sugar: cyborg bzflag |
| 02:58.45 | Sugar | kergoth: <B>B.Z.F.L.A.G.: Biomechanical Zombie Fabricated for Logical Assassination and Gratification</B> |
| 02:58.52 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg Twiun |
| 02:58.53 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>T.W.I.U.N.: Transforming Worker Intended for Ultimate Nullification</B> |
| 02:58.55 | Pendalar | guess at 80 I'll switch and want a 18th yr old |
| 02:59.16 | Pendalar | Sugar: cyborg frag |
| 02:59.17 | Sugar | Pendalar: <B>F.R.A.G.: Functional Replicant Assembled for Gratification</B> |
| 02:59.25 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 02:59.32 | chouimat | Pendalar: dunno but the one playing in judgy amy ... not the mother ... is quite cute |
| 02:59.35 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg fark |
| 02:59.36 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>F.A.R.K.: Functional Android Responsible for Killing</B> |
| 02:59.46 | chouimat | Sugar: cyborg SEX |
| 02:59.46 | Pendalar | haven't watched it, I'll keep it in mind |
| 02:59.47 | Sugar | chouimat: <B>S.E.X.: Synthetic Electronic Xenomorph</B> |
| 02:59.53 | Pendalar | Sugar: cyborg foobar |
| 02:59.54 | Sugar | Pendalar: <B>F.O.O.B.A.R.: Functional Organism Optimized for Battle and Accurate Repair</B> |
| 02:59.58 | Pendalar | Sugar: cyborg fubar |
| 02:59.59 | Sugar | Pendalar: <B>F.U.B.A.R.: Functional Unit Built for Assassination and Repair</B> |
| 03:00.06 | Pendalar | heh |
| 03:00.09 | Pendalar | nice =-) |
| 03:00.24 | Pendalar | I'll stop now |
| 03:00.36 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg fdisk |
| 03:00.50 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>F.D.I.S.K.: Facsimile Designed for Infiltration and Scientific Killing</B> |
| 03:00.51 | chouimat | bipolar: used --enable-dynamic-python? |
| 03:01.05 | bipolar | chouimat: nope... whats that do? |
| 03:01.06 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 03:01.16 | bipolar | chouimat: do I have to start over? ;) |
| 03:01.23 | chouimat | bipolar: it didn't build here without |
| 03:01.30 | bipolar | oh.... |
| 03:01.45 | bipolar | chouimat: what dist do you use? |
| 03:01.51 | chouimat | hmmm gilmore girls ... I want to do the chick that play lorelai |
| 03:01.56 | chouimat | bipolar: suse 8.2 |
| 03:02.06 | chouimat | bipolar: but a little hacked |
| 03:02.18 | bipolar | oh... maybe it's a dist thing then. I'm using debian unstable |
| 03:03.19 | chouimat | probably |
| 03:04.16 | bipolar | I can't wait to look at it. I'm hoping to distribute it at work |
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| 03:24.30 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg rev |
| 03:24.30 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>R.E.V.: Replicant Engineered for Violence</B> |
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| 03:25.56 | ljp | Sugar: cyborg Schwarzenegger |
| 03:25.56 | Sugar | ljp: Correct syntax is: cyborg name(2-7 chars long) |
| 03:25.59 | ljp | bah |
| 03:26.05 | W8TVI | treke: getting the bugs wored out? |
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| 03:32.01 | W8TVI | treke|ho1e, more bugs? |
| 03:32.34 | treke|ho1e | W8TVI: Bugs? |
| 03:32.38 | treke|ho1e | just weird stuff |
| 03:32.41 | W8TVI | ah |
| 03:32.55 | treke|ho1e | the sg20 is running gpm |
| 03:33.04 | W8TVI | gpm? |
| 03:33.16 | treke|ho1e | mouse dameon |
| 03:33.34 | W8TVI | ah |
| 03:33.56 | chouimat | Sugar: cyborg priest |
| 03:33.58 | Sugar | chouimat: <B>P.R.I.E.S.T.: Positronic Robotic Individual Engineered for Sabotage and Troubleshooting</B> |
| 03:33.59 | treke|ho1e | weird since it has no mouse |
| 03:34.05 | treke|ho1e | it also hase 7 virtual consoles |
| 03:34.15 | treke|ho1e | also weird since there is no keyboard or display |
| 03:34.27 | W8TVI | but is does have 2 PS2 ports and an AGP slot |
| 03:34.32 | treke|ho1e | does it? |
| 03:34.36 | treke|ho1e | hidden in the case? |
| 03:34.37 | W8TVI | yep |
| 03:34.49 | treke|ho1e | fuck. That would make this signficantly easier to get debian on |
| 03:35.03 | W8TVI | look in the card bus slot with a flashlight |
| 03:35.40 | kergoth | heh, its not hard to open up |
| 03:35.53 | W8TVI | kergoth, how do you go about that? |
| 03:36.16 | kergoth | just unscrew the screws on the backside and slide it open, a breeze |
| 03:36.26 | W8TVI | k |
| 03:36.29 | kergoth | i popped one of those corner plastic pieces off thinking i needed to |
| 03:36.30 | kergoth | didnt |
| 03:36.35 | bipolar | chouimat: did you get a bunch of errors in kb_pyscript.cpp when you tried to compile rekall? |
| 03:36.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:36.39 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: the ps2 port accessible |
| 03:36.41 | W8TVI | heh |
| 03:36.52 | treke|ho1e | ? |
| 03:37.06 | kergoth | dont recall offhand |
| 03:37.18 | chouimat | no I wasn't able to compile libkbase_python2.2.0 or something like this |
| 03:38.24 | bipolar | ahh |
| 03:39.18 | chouimat | bipolar: so --enable-dynamic-python fixed it |
| 03:40.02 | treke|ho1e | W8TVI: sadly I have no 2.5 inch ide adapter :) |
| 03:40.19 | W8TVI | :( |
| 03:40.19 | bipolar | chouimat: ok... I'll remember that. I just realize this box does not have python installed. I don't know why the configure script didn't catch that. |
| 03:40.26 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: heh, that was my prob too |
| 03:40.33 | kergoth | had to hit up fry's |
| 03:41.37 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: Gonna toss it in my laptop |
| 03:41.44 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: burning a gentoo live cd |
| 03:42.53 | ljp | bleh food coma |
| 03:43.09 | ljp | thats my problem, currently |
| 03:44.12 | kergoth | wow, i was going to order papa johns, but was too lazy to go to their site and order it |
| 03:44.53 | ljp | that is frickin lazy |
| 03:45.08 | ljp | oepizza |
| 03:45.22 | ljp | make it call up whenever you build oe |
| 03:48.03 | kergoth | heh, thatd be cool |
| 03:48.20 | kergoth | NOTE: build 20031117 started, pizza's on the way |
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| 03:48.55 | ljp | :) |
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| 03:49.18 | ljp | make it check to see if its the proper time to eat |
| 03:50.38 | bipolar | chouimat: sorry to ask more off topic questions... but what version of python is on your system? |
| 03:51.11 | kergoth | dood, look at what channel you're in |
| 03:51.15 | kergoth | what are you doing apologizing |
| 03:51.16 | chouimat | 2.2.2 or 2.3.2 |
| 03:51.55 | bipolar | heheh |
| 03:52.04 | bipolar | kergoth: yeah... good point... |
| 03:52.11 | kergoth | we just spent like an hour abusing sugar |
| 03:52.12 | kergoth | i mean, come on |
| 03:53.02 | chouimat | kergoth: lol |
| 03:53.14 | treke|laptop | Sugar: cyborg kergoth |
| 03:53.15 | Sugar | treke|laptop: <B>K.E.R.G.O.T.H.: Kinetic Electronic Replicant Generated for Observation and Terran Harm</B> |
| 03:53.27 | treke|laptop | Sugar: nickometer kergoth |
| 03:53.55 | ljp | i see nothing about python in the channel description |
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| 03:54.19 | ljp | dratsab! |
| 03:57.23 | chouimat | lol I just pissed off my brother ... less than 3 minutes a new record |
| 03:57.38 | treke|laptop | better to be pissed off than pissed on |
| 03:58.09 | W8TVI | lol |
| 04:00.28 | kergoth | damnit, i'm nearly out of scotch again |
| 04:01.12 | W8TVI | Sugar: scotch, neat |
| 04:01.22 | kergoth | W8TVI: you need a 'make me a' |
| 04:01.25 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 04:01.31 | W8TVI | thats no fun |
| 04:01.49 | treke|la2top | Sugar: make me a scotch neat |
| 04:02.07 | kergoth | heh, dumb bitch |
| 04:02.12 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a scotch on the rocks |
| 04:02.20 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a scotch and water |
| 04:02.26 | kergoth | a bottle of scotch water? |
| 04:02.31 | treke|la2top | Sugar: make me a pie |
| 04:02.31 | Sugar | Apple Pie No. 2 or Apple Pie No. 1? |
| 04:02.48 | treke|la2top | get your bitch ass in the kitchen and make me a pie |
| 04:02.49 | treke|la2top | listen missy |
| 04:02.54 | W8TVI | Sugar: make me a pie No. 2 |
| 04:02.56 | treke|la2top | why dont you go knit me a sweater |
| 04:03.05 | W8TVI | Sugar: make me a pie No. 1 |
| 04:03.11 | kergoth | and get me some cheesy poofs too |
| 04:03.20 | W8TVI | Sugar: make me a hot tody |
| 04:03.21 | treke|la2top | hell yeah I want cheesy poofs |
| 04:04.03 | W8TVI | Sugar: Can you give me a beer? |
| 04:04.26 | W8TVI | Sugar: Make me a milkshake. |
| 04:04.34 | bipolar | kergoth: you're right.... I shouldn't bother with being on topic. :() |
| 04:04.42 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:05.08 | mewyn | sugar: make me a rum and coke |
| 04:05.23 | mewyn | rum coke? |
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| 04:09.31 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a foo and bar |
| 04:09.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:10.07 | ljp | hahaa |
| 04:10.24 | ljp | Sugar: make me a great googli-moogli |
| 04:10.35 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a great and googli-moogli |
| 04:10.45 | kergoth | damn |
| 04:10.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:10.50 | ljp | og well |
| 04:10.53 | ljp | ~chant |
| 04:10.55 | | great googli-moogli! great googli-moogli! great googli-moogli! |
| 04:12.43 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a foo and scotch |
| 04:13.00 | ljp | Sugar: make me a scotch and foo |
| 04:13.36 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:13.40 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a scotch and bar |
| 04:13.45 | kergoth | haha |
| 04:13.51 | kergoth | a scotch bar, where do i get one of those |
| 04:16.47 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.52 | ljp | from the scotch bar gettin' store |
| 04:17.28 | ljp | as with most french speakers, cause they know their language is dying |
| 04:18.37 | chouimat | ljp: it's worst here |
| 04:18.45 | chouimat | Sugar: make me a velvet pussy |
| 04:20.15 | chouimat | fuck! Sugar doesn't know this drink! |
| 04:22.11 | kergoth | bipolar: what happened to the unstable feed? |
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| 04:26.48 | treke|ho1e | W8TVI: under cfdisk the partitioning doesnt look that odd |
| 04:26.57 | treke|ho1e | shoot. forgot to burn a debian cd |
| 04:27.15 | bipolar | kergoth: Several things... either buildroot was making unuseable builds (crashing), or it wasn't building, or I was so busy I figured I'd wait until OE was done... :) |
| 04:27.35 | bipolar | kergoth: is a new build needed? |
| 04:27.44 | kergoth | i mean, why would you remove the old feed? |
| 04:27.47 | kergoth | i can see not updating it |
| 04:27.51 | bipolar | huh? |
| 04:27.55 | kergoth | but removing it removes expected functionality. |
| 04:27.56 | bipolar | I didn't remove anything |
| 04:27.57 | kergoth | the directory is _gone_ |
| 04:27.59 | kergoth | go look |
| 04:28.07 | bipolar | it wasn't me! I swear! |
| 04:28.44 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: why remove an old feed? |
| 04:28.47 | kergoth | hm, maybe we need to get more strict about access control to the site |
| 04:28.57 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: Something like not having 400 feeds on the site comes to mind :p |
| 04:28.58 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: unstable/testing in official is gone. completely. |
| 04:29.02 | kergoth | period |
| 04:29.03 | kergoth | not old |
| 04:29.04 | kergoth | all |
| 04:29.08 | treke|ho1e | wtf |
| 04:29.17 | kergoth | apparently the feed's been missing for a few days |
| 04:29.17 | bipolar | thats strange. It wasn't me |
| 04:29.28 | treke|ho1e | probably for the best anyways :) |
| 04:29.28 | kergoth | odd |
| 04:30.07 | bipolar | is OE ready for a funtional build yet? |
| 04:30.39 | treke|ho1e | needs deviceisms |
| 04:30.44 | bipolar | buildroot is like that old dog who won't die |
| 04:31.05 | bipolar | my brother had a chuahuah like that. It must have been 25 |
| 04:31.07 | kergoth | the only files not removed from the unstable area are the ones that werent group writable |
| 04:31.10 | kergoth | son of a .. |
| 04:31.55 | treke|ho1e | bipolar: It sounds like it's close to being able to do a bootable jffs2 |
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| 04:34.49 | W8TVI | 20gb |
| 04:34.56 | treke|ho1e | 28mb :) |
| 04:35.03 | treke|ho1e | over ssh |
| 04:38.25 | bipolar | treke|ho1e: cool |
| 04:42.46 | treke|ho1e | wtf kind of logic is that |
| 04:42.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:42.59 | kergoth | the sky is falling! |
| 04:43.28 | kergoth | ~bitchslap trolltech's ftp server |
| 04:43.31 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of trolltech's ftp server |
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| 04:54.40 | treke|ho1e | ibot looks like it has no perms at the moment |
| 04:54.42 | | treke|ho1e: I give up, what is it? |
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| 04:56.38 | chouimat | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/242 |
| 05:03.46 | treke|ho1e | hehe. I like this guy on the familiar list. He want to know why he cant suspend his axim or use ird and usb |
| 05:04.20 | chouimat | treke|ho1e: reply because he need divine intervention and God is currently not available |
| 05:04.50 | W8TVI | lol |
| 05:08.54 | chouimat | night |
| 05:22.12 | bipolar | it's amazing how messy a commercial programs source package is when it's first released to the world. |
| 05:22.54 | treke|ho1e | what source? |
| 05:23.03 | bipolar | rekall |
| 05:23.10 | treke|ho1e | ah |
| 05:23.20 | treke|ho1e | I'm guessing the lack of time to prepare the source base didnt help |
| 05:25.34 | bipolar | yeah... could be |
| 05:26.11 | kergoth | why are we still using debian sources for nmap? |
| 05:31.07 | ljp | because you havent changed them |
| 05:31.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:33.23 | treke|ho1e | wtf. links.ssl doesnt support ssl? what kind of lame shit is that |
| 05:33.35 | kergoth | hah, it doesnt? |
| 05:35.04 | bipolar | well... I've got my rekall .deb, thanks to checkinstall. Now I can get to sleep ;p |
| 05:44.13 | treke|home | cool. found a download location for a .tib file. I'll figure out how to use it if I need to restore |
| 05:44.44 | W8TVI | treke|home: heh |
| 05:45.26 | treke|home | W8TVI: at this rate my dd will be done in a very very long time |
| 05:46.00 | W8TVI | heh |
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| 06:07.27 | kergoth | heh, a full build results in 325 tarballs now |
| 06:07.27 | kergoth | jeeze |
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| 06:20.53 | W8TVI | hey TimRiker |
| 06:20.58 | W8TVI | you need to fix ibot |
| 06:22.01 | TimRiker | what's wrong with him now? |
| 06:22.06 | W8TVI | ibot will let anyone use the "die" command |
| 06:22.07 | | W8TVI: wish i knew |
| 06:22.07 | TimRiker | ~status |
| 06:22.08 | | Since Wed Nov 19 04:50:02 2003, there have been 1 modification, 1 question, 4 dunnos, 0 morons and 7 commands. I have been awake for 1h 32m 5s this session, and currently reference 85658 factoids. I'm using about 11880 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 35.8/4.43 child 0.06/0 |
| 06:22.32 | W8TVI | TimRiker: shall I demonstrate? |
| 06:22.33 | TimRiker | that does not sound like a good thing. |
| 06:22.36 | TimRiker | sure. |
| 06:22.42 | W8TVI | ibot: die |
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| 06:28.53 | TimRiker | hmm. don't know why that happens. have to look deeper. thanx. |
| 06:29.02 | W8TVI | np |
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| 06:42.33 | treke|home | darn. didnt work |
| 06:44.31 | treke|home | I'll build a new kernel with their source tomorrow |
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| 07:01.48 | ljp | kernels are overrated |
| 07:02.39 | W8TVI | treke|home: what didn't work? |
| 07:06.30 | ljp | his kernel |
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| 08:21.22 | heatxsink | anyone in here? |
| 08:40.30 | lpotter | yup |
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| 08:58.47 | schurig | lpotter: hey! |
| 08:58.58 | lpotter | hello |
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| 11:02.45 | lpotter | ~lart treke for adding alsa stuff to buildroot... but hidden in the ipaq kernel package, and not telling |
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| 12:12.47 | schurig|work | lpotter: hmm, we have to make alsa anyway in some 2.6 kernels, I guess |
| 12:13.48 | lpotter | ya, we should spilt out alsa stuff from the ipaq-kernel |
| 12:14.10 | lpotter | split |
| 12:18.02 | lpotter | he never told me he put alsa in... I even asked - several times |
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| 12:27.35 | Twiun | hiya mickey |
| 12:35.32 | schurig|work | mickeyl: hi! |
| 12:35.41 | schurig|work | mickeyl: my MMC is now working :-) |
| 12:36.02 | schurig|work | mickeyl: tomorrow I'll make an SD-Disk-Trace ... |
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| 13:05.55 | mickeyl | schurig? |
| 13:05.57 | mickeyl | hmm too late |
| 13:06.04 | mickeyl | hi Twiun |
| 13:07.14 | Twiun | He'll be back. They *always* come back. |
| 13:07.21 | mickeyl | uhmm.... |
| 13:07.32 | mickeyl | unfortunately not... |
| 13:07.37 | mickeyl | see sandman, conber, etc. |
| 13:09.21 | Twiun | it's only a matter of time :) |
| 13:09.53 | Twiun | mickeyl: want to talk site requirements later today? |
| 13:11.49 | mickeyl | yeah! :) |
| 13:12.03 | mickeyl | I'm going to go for an Opie 1.0.3 release synchronized w/ OZ 3.3.5 next week |
| 13:12.10 | mickeyl | btw. |
| 13:12.31 | mickeyl | oh i guess you're on opie-devel, right? |
| 13:13.31 | Twiun | Yup :) |
| 13:13.39 | Twiun | Nothing to contribute so I don't post |
| 13:13.44 | Twiun | but I listen |
| 13:13.49 | Twiun | s/listen/lurk/ |
| 13:14.02 | mickeyl | ok |
| 13:15.06 | Twiun | btw, jdh41 in #openzaurus is apparently waiting for the OE migration to complete before messing with his BT driver development |
| 13:15.19 | Twiun | he needs .18 or later ;) |
| 13:15.22 | Twiun | (as well) |
| 13:15.22 | mickeyl | I want to take the opportunity of release 1.0.3 and OZ 3.3.5 with a lengthy statement of what's going on in our set of projects |
| 13:15.33 | Twiun | Yeah, that's a good idea |
| 13:15.33 | mickeyl | i see |
| 13:15.39 | mickeyl | well it's just a couple of days away |
| 13:16.09 | Twiun | yup, I think he'll start as soon as it's released |
| 13:16.25 | Twiun | now that he nows a release is in the works |
| 13:16.30 | mickeyl | good. it seems I'm going to be the release coordinator for 1.0.3 (noone left to stop me hehe :) |
| 13:16.31 | Twiun | s/nows/knows/ |
| 13:16.53 | Twiun | Well, as you know most about both sides of it, you're the ideal person |
| 13:18.33 | mickeyl | yeah. I'll backport the three items I mentioned, then coordinate with the sl5x00 and familiar packager to get 1.0.3/RC1 and OZ 3.3.5/RC1 out before weekend. if nothing important is found over the weekend, then rerelease as finals on monday. |
| 13:19.03 | mickeyl | treke should be able to build the c7x0 and poodle feeds then |
| 13:19.10 | mickeyl | and _then_ |
| 13:19.11 | mickeyl | finally |
| 13:19.19 | mickeyl | let's bury OZ buildroot |
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| 13:57.05 | Twiun | mickeyl: Yeah ;) |
| 13:57.35 | Twiun | mickeyl: I propose changing the menuconfig background to red and adding headings like 'UNMAINTAINED' on there |
| 14:00.48 | mickeyl | good idea. can you do that? |
| 14:01.05 | Twiun | I've never messed with menuconfig, but I'll give it a try :) |
| 14:02.36 | mickeyl | thanx |
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| 14:22.10 | Twiun | hmmm... the menuconfig currently says Openembedded Buildroot Configuration.... |
| 14:22.20 | Twiun | change to OpenZaurus and add the unmaintained bit? |
| 14:23.17 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 14:26.07 | Twiun | 'k |
| 14:33.10 | Twiun | hmmm... now how to trigger a rebuild of mconf & friends |
| 14:33.52 | Twiun | aha. simple enough |
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| 15:05.32 | Twiun | grrr |
| 15:05.38 | Twiun | lxdialog make barfs |
| 15:07.45 | Twiun | mickeyl: I'll need to investigate this when I get home... this stuff's broken on me |
| 15:09.13 | mickeyl | k |
| 15:11.03 | Twiun | ... oh, what the hell... it's not as if I've got any work to do :) |
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| 15:14.18 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 15:14.20 | mickeyl | cool |
| 15:25.53 | Twiun | hmmm... nice site: http://www.csszengarden.com/ |
| 15:26.03 | Twiun | like the way they do their html/css |
| 15:27.07 | mickeyl | mmmh |
| 15:27.08 | mickeyl | sweet |
| 15:27.30 | mickeyl | we need something like that |
| 15:27.36 | mickeyl | clean layout |
| 15:27.39 | mickeyl | nice color scheme |
| 15:27.40 | mickeyl | et. |
| 15:28.40 | mickeyl | I'm heading home - if you're still here when I'm at home, we can start talking about the reqs. |
| 15:28.51 | mickeyl | l8er |
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| 16:00.04 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:01.14 | Twiun | wb mickeyl, chouimat |
| 16:01.38 | mickeyl | morning ChanServ |
| 16:01.43 | mickeyl | ~lart tab completion |
| 16:01.47 | mickeyl | hi chouimat |
| 16:01.52 | mickeyl | so - back again |
| 16:02.07 | chouimat | hi mickeyl Twiun |
| 16:02.35 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 16:02.37 | mickeyl | auto-here? |
| 16:03.28 | Twiun | yah, who wants to know if I'm gone? ;) |
| 16:10.25 | mickeyl | regarding the requirements, i for one think, an entry page shouldn't be too crowded - content-wise |
| 16:10.33 | mickeyl | example: i like gnome.org for that |
| 16:10.53 | mickeyl | just a few headlines and 5 or 6 navigation exits |
| 16:11.05 | mickeyl | so what we need is exactly what they have |
| 16:11.08 | mickeyl | 1.) What is Opie? |
| 16:11.10 | mickeyl | 2.) Download |
| 16:11.37 | mickeyl | 3.) community news forum sounds good - no idea which one to choose |
| 16:11.46 | mickeyl | 4.) Software Map |
| 16:11.55 | mickeyl | very important - e.g. what we started in the wiki |
| 16:11.57 | mickeyl | but better |
| 16:11.58 | Twiun | hmmm, fragmented forums again? |
| 16:12.04 | mickeyl | right |
| 16:12.08 | mickeyl | ditch that point |
| 16:12.17 | mickeyl | no community news, but a link to the mailing lists instead |
| 16:12.21 | Twiun | yeah, the software map could have a list of apps, with grouped screenshots |
| 16:12.25 | mickeyl | exactly. |
| 16:12.30 | mickeyl | i like gpe.handhelds.org for that |
| 16:12.31 | CosmicPenguin | mickeyl: A link to linuxdevices.com wouldn't be a loss |
| 16:12.43 | CosmicPenguin | "See opie? Now look for some toys to run it on" |
| 16:12.51 | mickeyl | CosmicPenguin: good idea |
| 16:13.12 | mickeyl | 5.) Developers |
| 16:13.21 | mickeyl | press? |
| 16:13.23 | mickeyl | maybe |
| 16:13.27 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 16:13.41 | Twiun | 5.) Resources |
| 16:13.43 | treke|home | lpotter_zzzZ: It's hidden in the ipaq package because it's of no use to anyone else |
| 16:13.50 | mickeyl | yes - resources. |
| 16:13.59 | Twiun | do you want to highlight the open source nature, or the project nature? |
| 16:14.16 | Twiun | s/highlight/focus on/ |
| 16:14.44 | mickeyl | kind of both, e.g. the first Open Source Project to deliver a full fledged PDA Environment for many devices |
| 16:14.56 | mickeyl | s/many devices/something reasonable to tell here |
| 16:14.58 | Twiun | ah, no I meant in the style of the site layout |
| 16:15.05 | Twiun | the content will reflect both :) |
| 16:15.25 | treke|home | mickeyl: I think Agenda managed that one first :) |
| 16:15.32 | Twiun | ie: http://icesoft.com/ is clearly a company page |
| 16:15.34 | mickeyl | treke: ok, 2nd then :) |
| 16:17.10 | mickeyl | Twiun: http://www.kexi-project.org |
| 16:17.12 | mickeyl | i like that |
| 16:17.43 | mickeyl | maybe a bit too clean of a layout, but then again |
| 16:17.50 | mickeyl | somehow nice |
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| 16:22.50 | Twiun | hmmm, that site's a little broken in Opera, but I see what you mean |
| 16:23.17 | mickeyl | good |
| 16:24.14 | mickeyl | another thing, I really would prefer a fresh start. No problem if we have very few content at the beginning, I'd say we could have always a link to the old stuff unless we're feeling the new content is enough |
| 16:24.17 | chouimat | hmmm weird really weird why this dns die every 21 hours? |
| 16:24.35 | mickeyl | s/unless/until |
| 16:25.24 | Twiun | mickeyl: I'll start the development on another box, it can be moved later |
| 16:25.37 | Twiun | mickeyl: no need to trash opie.hh.org just yet ;) |
| 16:25.49 | Twiun | mickeyl: maybe a mention that a redesign is in the works |
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| 16:27.29 | Twiun | mickeyl: what's the last thing you got? |
| 16:27.45 | mickeyl_ | i pointed to the gimp site |
| 16:27.56 | mickeyl_ | then disconnect |
| 16:28.04 | mickeyl_ | pfff |
| 16:28.08 | bipolar | *sigh* |
| 16:28.09 | mickeyl_ | university offline again |
| 16:28.26 | Twiun | 16:24 < Twiun> mickeyl: I'll start the development on another box, it can be |
| 16:28.30 | Twiun | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.32 | Twiun | 16:24 < Twiun> mickeyl: no need to trash opie.hh.org just yet ;) |
| 16:28.35 | Twiun | 16:24 < Twiun> mickeyl: maybe a mention that a redesign is in the works |
| 16:28.37 | Twiun | 16:25 * Twiun fiddles with his dns entries, adds a new subdomain for the opie |
| 16:28.40 | Twiun | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.42 | mickeyl_ | ah right |
| 16:28.56 | mickeyl_ | yeah, two entries |
| 16:28.58 | mickeyl_ | one with the redesign |
| 16:29.04 | mickeyl_ | and one with the 1.0.3 (next week) |
| 16:29.07 | bipolar | I had to reset my linksys router last night. I forgot to re-forward ssh, so now I can't login to kill xchat at home. |
| 16:30.16 | Twiun | mickeyl_: hmmm |
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| 16:30.25 | mickeyl_ | ? |
| 16:30.50 | Twiun | mickeyl_: I was thinking of protecting access to the redesign site, and just tweak the current site for new news |
| 16:31.03 | mickeyl_ | yes |
| 16:31.07 | mickeyl_ | that's what i meant |
| 16:31.15 | mickeyl_ | two news entries on the old site |
| 16:31.16 | Twiun | mickeyl_: that way people won't try using my temporary subdomain |
| 16:31.17 | bipolar | every time I see that damned picture of mcbride I feel like I'm gonna puke |
| 16:31.24 | Twiun | mickeyl_: Oh, right, sorry |
| 16:31.34 | Twiun | mickeyl_: I read entries as dns entries ;) |
| 16:31.40 | mickeyl_ | ah - nono :D |
| 16:32.15 | Twiun | how are those added btw? |
| 16:32.36 | mickeyl_ | the stuff is called pivot |
| 16:32.41 | mickeyl_ | a wicked news reporting system |
| 16:32.45 | mickeyl_ | which i never liked |
| 16:32.48 | mickeyl_ | hmm |
| 16:32.57 | mickeyl_ | wasn'it bipolar who set that up? :D |
| 16:33.02 | Twiun | :) |
| 16:33.25 | Twiun | shall we stay with php, or go with NEWWhizzBangShinyTech? |
| 16:33.57 | mickeyl_ | Personally, I like simplicity. html with css is looking good and easily editable. |
| 16:34.15 | mickeyl_ | i'm no longer that fond of database based systems |
| 16:34.28 | bipolar | heheh |
| 16:34.31 | mickeyl_ | i tried a number and in the end... i was going back to the root.s |
| 16:34.33 | bipolar | yes... I did |
| 16:34.40 | bipolar | should move to plone |
| 16:34.41 | Twiun | hehe |
| 16:34.47 | mickeyl_ | plone however is really good. |
| 16:34.48 | Twiun | ok, pure html+css it is |
| 16:34.54 | mickeyl_ | yeah, html+css. |
| 16:35.03 | mickeyl_ | lowest common denominator. |
| 16:35.14 | Twiun | and Java applets!!! |
| 16:35.19 | mickeyl_ | *cough* |
| 16:35.20 | mickeyl_ | :) |
| 16:35.47 | mickeyl_ | i'm using python server pages for my own site |
| 16:35.47 | bipolar | if we centralize the sites(opie.hh.org, opie.info, etc...) then plone would make the job easier. |
| 16:36.42 | mickeyl_ | yeah, but i have seen how long it takes to set plone up to a stage where it looks like you want and where you actually can start thinking 'bout the content... |
| 16:36.54 | mickeyl_ | too long for my taste |
| 16:36.59 | mickeyl_ | but ymmv |
| 16:37.08 | bipolar | mickeyl: yeah... it can take some time. |
| 16:37.31 | bipolar | would take less time to make changes though. |
| 16:38.17 | mickeyl_ | right. but then again... do you know how many one-person sites having super duper CM systems but noone ever changes anything? bit of waste imho |
| 16:38.50 | bipolar | yeah... plone is useless for a one person site. |
| 16:39.14 | bipolar | it depends on how many people will be making changes. |
| 16:39.25 | chouimat | mickeyl_: is 1.0.3 tagged in CVS? |
| 16:39.29 | bipolar | if any of the work is going to be deligated. |
| 16:39.56 | bipolar | can oe make a jffs image yet? :> |
| 16:40.06 | mickeyl_ | chouimat: not yet. I want to test some things before. BRANCH_1_0 contains the what will be tagged tomorrow |
| 16:40.09 | mickeyl_ | or friday |
| 16:40.44 | chouimat | ok because I only have head in my cvs dump directory |
| 16:40.44 | Twiun | bipolar: also depends on how big the site is... one thing that should be easy to do is if we have an html+css static site to begin with, porting it to a CM shouldn't be hard |
| 16:41.15 | mickeyl_ | bipolar: frankly... unless our developer situation stays as it is... we need to think small |
| 16:41.23 | mickeyl_ | s/unless/as long |
| 16:41.28 | mickeyl_ | as |
| 16:41.59 | mickeyl_ | ibot: developer status |
| 16:42.01 | | developer status is, like, scary. we're out of personnel. please implement that yourself or even better, join us! |
| 16:42.08 | mickeyl_ | hehe |
| 16:47.01 | chouimat | hmmm why I had checked out 6 kdevelop tree? |
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| 16:48.25 | bipolar | go blind! http://images.vnunet.com/v6_image/v6_news/pics/darl_mcbride.jpg |
| 16:48.30 | bipolar | mwahahaha |
| 16:50.01 | chouimat | bipolar: i think you need some thing to change your mind ... ok just go there www.lesbians4free.com this site should do the work .... (and if I offend you, sorry) |
| 16:53.16 | bipolar | lol |
| 16:53.32 | chouimat | :) |
| 16:55.38 | bipolar | I would go look at it, but my wife works in the same room as me. :-0 |
| 16:56.00 | chouimat | bipolar: lol |
| 16:57.04 | chouimat | ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG |
| 16:57.26 | chouimat | ~lart dns software |
| 16:57.31 | chouimat | ~lart dns software |
| 16:57.55 | chouimat | hmmm the double of free is still free iirc |
| 17:01.49 | bipolar | kergoth: wb |
| 17:02.20 | bipolar | chouimat: if I remember my 2nd grade math, you are correct. :) |
| 17:02.22 | mickeyl_ | hi k |
| 17:02.23 | kergoth | morning |
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| 17:03.00 | treke | the feet on this magnia are a bitch to get off |
| 17:03.11 | kergoth | you shouldnt have to remove them for any reason |
| 17:03.12 | kergoth | but yes they are |
| 17:03.20 | kergoth | i broke one of mine trying to do so |
| 17:03.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:03.26 | treke | kergoth: trying to open it up :p |
| 17:03.26 | mickeyl_ | "magnia" ? |
| 17:03.54 | kergoth | treke: you dont have to remove them to open it |
| 17:04.00 | treke | ah doh |
| 17:04.00 | kergoth | treke: i thought you had to also, but it turned out you dont |
| 17:04.06 | kergoth | so i broke my foot unnecessarily |
| 17:04.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:04.28 | kergoth | the whole thing just slides apart |
| 17:04.32 | kergoth | i forget what direction |
| 17:04.32 | treke | mine still fits on so I'll be happy |
| 17:04.45 | kergoth | so did mine, but it kept falling off. ended up losing it |
| 17:04.50 | kergoth | so now my magnia sits all lopsided |
| 17:04.56 | mickeyl_ | "magnia" ? |
| 17:05.04 | treke | same here. So I'll use some glue later to keep it on |
| 17:05.06 | Twiun | "magnia" ? |
| 17:05.07 | kergoth | mickeyl_: toshiba magnia sg20 |
| 17:05.14 | kergoth | ibot: google for toshiba magnia sg20 |
| 17:05.40 | mickeyl_ | oh a server |
| 17:05.48 | kergoth | its a cool lil x86 box |
| 17:05.48 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:05.51 | chouimat | price? |
| 17:05.53 | kergoth | makes a good non-ugly linux firewall |
| 17:05.59 | mickeyl_ | how big is it? |
| 17:06.00 | kergoth | comes with rh73 out of the box |
| 17:06.08 | treke | hehe. just lides right out |
| 17:06.21 | treke | mickeyl_: Take a 2 15 inch powerbooks and stack them on top of each other |
| 17:06.25 | treke | exact same size |
| 17:06.30 | mickeyl_ | cool |
| 17:07.04 | chouimat | the price please? |
| 17:07.59 | kergoth | chouimat: around $200 or so. hit up ebay |
| 17:08.00 | chouimat | ok too expensive |
| 17:08.19 | chouimat | kergoth: ok better than the uk price |
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| 17:09.05 | kergoth | sure you can get an old box to be a firewall for less, but then it looks like crap |
| 17:09.08 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:09.25 | treke | its a deal and a half for what you get |
| 17:10.24 | chouimat | kergoth: I have an old p200mmx/64mb ram as a firewall |
| 17:10.46 | kergoth | yeah, i used to use an old box like that too |
| 17:11.11 | kergoth | i'd actually like a second box to act as an ipless bridging openbsd firewall in front of the magnia acting as a server and NAT machine |
| 17:11.59 | treke | looky there. ps2 ports |
| 17:12.19 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm using freebsd 5.1 currently with ipfw2 maybe I will use the freebsd port of pf or i will install freebsd 3.4 on it but ... i will need time |
| 17:12.23 | kergoth | bipolar: i really want one of those |
| 17:12.24 | bipolar | doubles as a space heater! |
| 17:12.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:12.40 | bipolar | kergoth: thats my next home box. |
| 17:13.14 | chouimat | bipolar: buy 10 of those and you will have a nice compile farm :) |
| 17:13.16 | bipolar | kergoth: as soon as the 64's come down to my price range. That'll be in about 2 years. :) |
| 17:13.23 | treke | hehe |
| 17:13.44 | treke | even has a standard IDE adapter |
| 17:13.49 | treke | so I can hook up a cd drive |
| 17:14.06 | bipolar | Actualy... if I buy an hardware soon, it's gonna be a cheap laptop from sams or something. |
| 17:15.11 | chouimat | bipolar: me if i buy hardware it will be a Tungsten E or a mac ibook g4 ... |
| 17:15.53 | treke | damn. cant fit an agp card in |
| 17:16.06 | chouimat | treke: ? |
| 17:16.19 | mickeyl_ | if at all. then the next hardware convincing me to shell out money would be a clamshell zaurus with builtin BT and WiFi |
| 17:16.59 | treke | chouimat: trying to hook up a video card so that I can see what my problems booting are |
| 17:17.28 | chouimat | mickeyl_: need a laptop for the long trip between La Pocatier/Quebec and Montreal so with apple one I can do the round trip without recharging it |
| 17:17.54 | mickeyl_ | chouimat: the ibook then :D |
| 17:18.23 | chouimat | mickeyl_: yup but the Tungsten E iu 300cad and the ibook I want is 2000cad |
| 17:18.24 | treke | kergoth: you don't happen to know if the metal plate on the back of these cards are needed for grounding do you? |
| 17:24.01 | W8TVI | treke: its not needed |
| 17:24.12 | W8TVI | and its not a second IDE |
| 17:24.14 | treke | good. It's halfway removed :) |
| 17:26.03 | treke | W8TVI: iirc it's connected as a slave on the primary ide |
| 17:26.25 | kergoth | the drives are cable selected, so yeah |
| 17:26.53 | treke | hmmm. this could be a problem |
| 17:27.21 | treke | since I dont have the adapter and I can't fit both the card and the daughterboard for ide in at the same timne |
| 17:31.13 | W8TVI | treke there is a setup that brings the slot up higher |
| 17:36.04 | W8TVI | http://www.adexelec.com/pci64.htm#PCI-FLEX64 |
| 17:36.10 | W8TVI | pci not agp |
| 17:36.31 | W8TVI | f you plan to stick an AGP video card on the motherboard of the |
| 17:36.35 | W8TVI | SG20, you'll notice that you can't connect the daughterboard back to |
| 17:36.35 | W8TVI | the motherboard since the AGP video card is "erect". ;) |
| 17:36.48 | treke | W8TVI: /me points out his noticed that |
| 17:36.49 | W8TVI | I called up Adex Electronics and purchased the following item which |
| 17:36.52 | W8TVI | basically connects and extends the distance between the daughterboard |
| 17:36.53 | W8TVI | and motherboard. |
| 17:37.06 | W8TVI | lol |
| 17:37.36 | treke | Just want a video card so I can figure out why this thig wont boot |
| 17:38.06 | W8TVI | treke got an pci riser card? |
| 17:41.10 | W8TVI | treke: or you can get one of thes: http://www.infoleadconsulting.com/agp.jpg |
| 17:42.05 | kergoth | or he can go up to fry's and pick up the ide adapter |
| 17:42.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:42.23 | W8TVI | http://www.infoleadconsulting.com/agp.jpg |
| 17:42.28 | treke | exactly |
| 17:42.35 | treke | too bad frys is far away :p |
| 17:43.06 | W8TVI | what? plug a pci ide adapter into the pci slot? |
| 17:43.21 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:43.35 | kergoth | no, a 2.5" ide to normal ide adapter, along with an ide cable, so he doesnt need the daughtercard |
| 17:43.46 | W8TVI | ah |
| 17:44.09 | treke | come to think of it. I dont actually know which way this agp card goes without the case in a normal orientation :p |
| 17:44.32 | W8TVI | what is built into the daughtercard? |
| 17:44.51 | treke | W8TVI: the connectors for the hard drive |
| 17:44.58 | W8TVI | I know that |
| 17:45.21 | W8TVI | I was just wondering if there was anything else |
| 17:45.32 | treke | both network ports |
| 17:45.35 | treke | the pcmcia port |
| 17:45.56 | treke | kergoth: gonna find out soon enough :) |
| 17:46.00 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:48.26 | W8TVI | cool |
| 17:48.27 | W8TVI | http://www.adexelec.com/agp32.htm |
| 17:48.34 | W8TVI | look at the one at the top |
| 17:52.26 | W8TVI | some one put XP on thiers |
| 17:52.54 | treke | kergoth: must be possible, since people have accessed the bios in it |
| 17:54.33 | W8TVI | treke: what point is that? |
| 17:55.55 | treke | shit. the power supply is in the way |
| 17:58.47 | treke | they didnt make this easy :) |
| 17:59.42 | W8TVI | heh |
| 18:00.14 | treke | next step is to get that out, which they've got pretty well secured :p |
| 18:00.53 | treke | or break down and get one of those agp thingys |
| 18:02.21 | treke | 32 bit pci cards can be used in a 64bit slot, correct? |
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| 18:03.28 | andreas_ | hi. can anybody tell me if it's possible to use X11 over SSH over WLAN on a simpad? |
| 18:03.36 | W8TVI | treke yep |
| 18:03.50 | treke | cool. doesnt look that that would work out any better |
| 18:04.12 | W8TVI | got a pci video card? |
| 18:04.24 | treke | yes |
| 18:05.53 | treke | W8TVI: physical limitations |
| 18:06.16 | kergoth | andreas_: X forwarding should work just fine. |
| 18:06.35 | treke | of course you need to install X |
| 18:06.44 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:07.07 | kergoth | course depending on what direction you're going in, you might need only teh libs and apps, but not the running server |
| 18:07.22 | kergoth | "on a simpad" is ambiguous |
| 18:07.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:07.30 | treke | W8TVI: Even with various adapters this shit just physically doesnt fit :) |
| 18:07.40 | W8TVI | heh |
| 18:08.07 | Twiun | cut the card in half, fix the breaks ;) |
| 18:08.15 | treke | :p |
| 18:08.35 | kergoth | heh, i remember trying to do that with a keyboard once, when i was a teenager |
| 18:08.43 | kergoth | slammed on the enter key, busted the board right in half |
| 18:10.26 | andreas_ | kergoth: do you think it's fast enough to be usable? |
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| 18:10.52 | kergoth | andreas_: thats dependent on the speed of the link, nothing simpad specific there |
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| 18:11.07 | andreas_ | 11mbit wlan |
| 18:11.19 | andreas_ | so the simpad is fast enough to handle it? |
| 18:11.35 | kergoth | the limiting factor will be the bandwidth, not the device |
| 18:11.36 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:11.46 | andreas_ | ok, then in should be fine |
| 18:11.56 | andreas_ | -in +it |
| 18:12.36 | andreas_ | do i have to install x11 _instead_ of opie, or can i use x apps on the opie desktop? |
| 18:12.53 | kergoth | they're mutually exclusive. you can have them both _installed_ but they dont interoperate. |
| 18:13.05 | andreas_ | :( |
| 18:13.23 | kergoth | you can run a local X vnc server and use the opie vnc client into localhost.. |
| 18:13.23 | andreas_ | ok, i think can live without opie |
| 18:13.26 | kergoth | but.. |
| 18:13.28 | kergoth | hackish |
| 18:13.35 | kergoth | you can build opie against qt/x11, at least you could at one point |
| 18:13.39 | kergoth | dunno what the status of that is |
| 18:19.04 | andreas_ | how fast/stable is x11? can i use a browser > dillo, xpdf and things like that? |
| 18:20.50 | mickeyl | andreas_: x11 on the SIMpad is ... uhm... in an early stage |
| 18:23.06 | andreas_ | hmmm... |
| 18:23.10 | mickeyl | not nearly as polished or usable as Opie. |
| 18:23.16 | mickeyl | but feel free to test a GPE image |
| 18:23.21 | mickeyl | gpe.handhelds.org |
| 18:23.50 | mickeyl | cheers |
| 18:25.03 | andreas_ | i don't yet have a simpad, i'm only thinking about buying one |
| 18:25.11 | mickeyl | oh |
| 18:25.34 | mickeyl | they're rare these days |
| 18:25.51 | andreas_ | ~300 on ebay |
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| 18:26.49 | gb2 | hm, starbucks.. |
| 18:30.51 | andreas_ | is simpad really as slow as reported in http://forum.opensimpad.org/126.0.html?&no_cache=1&tx_lzphpbb_pi1[t]=388&tx_lzphpbb_pi1[highlight]=vnc&tx_lzphpbb_pi1[t3func]=12 and http://forum.opensimpad.org/126.0.html?&no_cache=1&tx_lzphpbb_pi1[t]=433&tx_lzphpbb_pi1[highlight]=vnc&tx_lzphpbb_pi1[t3func]=12 ? |
| 18:32.11 | andreas_ | english: http://forum.opensimpad.org/126.0.html?&no_cache=1&tx_lzphpbb_pi1[t]=390&tx_lzphpbb_pi1[highlight]=speed&tx_lzphpbb_pi1[t3func]=12 |
| 18:33.07 | mickeyl | well.... slow is a pretty unprecise adjective |
| 18:33.26 | mickeyl | it's (of course) slower than a Zaurus |
| 18:33.30 | mickeyl | it has to draw much more |
| 18:33.48 | mickeyl | but it's fast enough for all my tasks |
| 18:33.59 | andreas_ | how long does it take to render http://opensimpad.org? 1 second? 20 seconds? |
| 18:34.02 | mickeyl | and it's getting faster with software upgrades... where do you get that? :D |
| 18:34.16 | mickeyl | no idea, don't have a browser handy on it. i can test on weekend |
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| 18:36.15 | andreas_ | maybe it's faster with wince? |
| 18:36.27 | mickeyl | maybe |
| 18:37.05 | mickeyl | wince sucks on it though |
| 18:37.12 | mickeyl | read tablettpc forum |
| 18:38.04 | andreas_ | i only need it for wlan-websurfing, pdf reading and maybe vnc (if its fast enough over wlan)... but it's no use if one website takes 20 seconds to load |
| 18:38.35 | mickeyl | then post to the forum with a typical website and let the poeple measure the time for 'ya |
| 18:38.51 | mickeyl | i don't buy that 20 seconds |
| 18:39.30 | andreas_ | even my p133 with opera and disabled x acceleration is *much* faster |
| 18:39.35 | mickeyl | andreas_: btw., since you're a german, you can /join #opie.de and ask Chicken and Killefiz and Zecke. All three have a SIMpad with Linux. |
| 18:39.49 | mickeyl | it's useless to gather information out of me |
| 18:39.54 | mickeyl | I'm Mr. SIMpad |
| 18:40.02 | mickeyl | I made OpenSIMpad possible. |
| 18:40.25 | mickeyl | (based on the work of many others of course) |
| 18:40.45 | mickeyl | so you can call me biased |
| 18:40.46 | mickeyl | :D |
| 18:40.51 | andreas_ | ;) |
| 18:41.12 | pb_ | mickeyl: hello Mr SIMpad |
| 18:41.24 | mickeyl | hi mr. ipaq |
| 18:41.25 | mickeyl | :D |
| 18:41.28 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:43.43 | W8TVI | where do you get a simpad? |
| 18:44.01 | treke | ebay. same as everything else |
| 18:51.50 | kergoth | yay for frappuccino |
| 18:52.46 | gb2 | way too cold for a frappuccino |
| 18:52.57 | gb2 | i'm considering a triple latte though |
| 18:53.29 | kergoth | its 66 here right now |
| 18:53.31 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:54.01 | kergoth | ugh, had to start a native glibc build |
| 18:54.07 | kergoth | had almost forgotten how long that takes when it isnt ccached |
| 18:57.25 | mickeyl | :D |
| 18:58.22 | kergoth | confirming the sanity of a native build for UML |
| 18:58.27 | kergoth | found a couple kinks |
| 18:58.42 | kergoth | e.g. the asm symlink for the kernel headers was directly TARGET_ARCH, didnt replace i686 with i386 |
| 18:58.48 | kergoth | other than that, working fine |
| 18:59.13 | mickeyl | nice. |
| 18:59.26 | mickeyl | never looked into UML though |
| 18:59.30 | kergoth | it rocks |
| 18:59.38 | mickeyl | speed ? |
| 18:59.53 | kergoth | surprisingly quick. much better than emulators of the entire system like vmware or bochs |
| 19:00.02 | mickeyl | interesting. |
| 19:00.05 | kergoth | great for working out bootup and rootfs layout issues for a target fs |
| 19:00.46 | kergoth | linux rootfstype=hostfs rootflags=/path/to/the/rootfs root=/dev/root |
| 19:00.49 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:00.58 | mickeyl | mmmh sweet |
| 19:01.33 | mickeyl | were you already using this when you came up with the oz init stuff ? |
| 19:01.41 | kergoth | nope |
| 19:01.49 | kergoth | that was all directly on the target. flash, test, rinse, repeat |
| 19:01.51 | kergoth | slow process |
| 19:01.55 | mickeyl | wow |
| 19:01.59 | mickeyl | how many times did you flash your Z? |
| 19:02.26 | kergoth | just for that, not sure. definately hundreds of times overall |
| 19:05.02 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:05.36 | W8TVI | dang you mickeyl! now I want a simpad! |
| 19:06.15 | W8TVI | whats the battery's rating? |
| 19:06.55 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:06.59 | mickeyl | 6-8h |
| 19:07.10 | W8TVI | the Ah rating |
| 19:07.13 | mickeyl | oh |
| 19:07.15 | mickeyl | hold on.. |
| 19:07.16 | W8TVI | 2000mAh? |
| 19:07.18 | W8TVI | k |
| 19:07.46 | mickeyl | hmmm |
| 19:07.52 | mickeyl | it's not written on it |
| 19:07.59 | W8TVI | werid |
| 19:08.02 | mickeyl | 2500mA |
| 19:08.10 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:08.30 | kergoth | my gcc-cross that targets native reverts to looking in /usr for some reason |
| 19:08.33 | kergoth | rather than the prefix'd path |
| 19:08.35 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:08.42 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 19:08.49 | kergoth | guess it assumes native means it can touch that stuff. but damnit, i set prefix for a fucking reason |
| 19:08.53 | W8TVI | only one on ebay right now |
| 19:08.57 | W8TVI | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3442171344&category=39980 |
| 19:09.27 | mickeyl | W8TVI: yup, that's the right model |
| 19:09.30 | mickeyl | there are different ones |
| 19:09.34 | mickeyl | the others suckj |
| 19:09.37 | W8TVI | heh |
| 19:09.41 | kergoth | whats the useful verbosity flag for the linker again as passed on a gcc line? |
| 19:09.45 | kergoth | -Wl,--verbose? |
| 19:09.55 | W8TVI | like the 5000D vs the 5500 |
| 19:10.20 | mickeyl | yep |
| 19:10.29 | W8TVI | I like the screen size and the flash size |
| 19:10.31 | mickeyl | e.g. there's a model without PCMCIA |
| 19:10.49 | W8TVI | so the SL4 is the best? |
| 19:11.09 | mickeyl | yeah. SL4 or SLC, but the SLC has a DECT device built in which you're probably never using. |
| 19:11.17 | W8TVI | a what? |
| 19:11.28 | pb_ | exactly. |
| 19:11.29 | mickeyl | wireless phone standard in germany |
| 19:11.34 | W8TVI | oh |
| 19:11.37 | W8TVI | ok :) |
| 19:11.44 | mickeyl | probably european |
| 19:11.46 | pb_ | I think it's a Europe-wide standard, actually. |
| 19:11.52 | mickeyl | ya |
| 19:12.03 | pb_ | Loads of people here in England have DECT phones, but I doubt many of them are interested in using the SIMpad as one. |
| 19:12.40 | W8TVI | and that guy is in poland |
| 19:13.12 | W8TVI | oh well... I dont have the money for it right now anyway |
| 19:13.33 | W8TVI | with 32mb of flash, you dont need a ramdisk |
| 19:13.38 | W8TVI | right? |
| 19:13.48 | mickeyl | for me, yes. |
| 19:13.54 | mickeyl | 32 is enough for a lot of stuff |
| 19:13.58 | mickeyl | 16 is hardly usable |
| 19:14.00 | treke | yup |
| 19:14.02 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 19:14.17 | W8TVI | I wish my 5500 had 32mb of flash |
| 19:14.43 | chouimat | i wish my 5000D had 64MB of flash and 256MB of ram |
| 19:14.56 | mickeyl | we would call it C1000 then |
| 19:14.57 | mickeyl | :D |
| 19:15.16 | chouimat | mickeyl: and a 30days battery life |
| 19:15.24 | mickeyl | good point, chouimat |
| 19:15.32 | mickeyl | battery life sucks on all PDAs except Palm |
| 19:15.58 | W8TVI | chouimat: I have fusion batterys I could sell you... $1,000,000 a cell |
| 19:16.05 | treke | the c760 battery life is pretty good :) |
| 19:16.07 | W8TVI | and you need 4 for the zaurus |
| 19:16.12 | chouimat | W8TVI: :) |
| 19:16.43 | chouimat | ok I really must to the bank before it close |
| 19:17.00 | W8TVI | I think what I would really like is a Tablet PC with linux on it |
| 19:17.52 | kergoth | mickeyl: 16mb could be usable if we used uclibc and trimmed back a bit.. |
| 19:17.54 | kergoth | mickeyl: :) |
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| 19:18.06 | mickeyl | kergoth: that's right. probably for OZ 3.4 ? ;) |
| 19:18.14 | mickeyl | or rather 4.0 |
| 19:18.15 | mickeyl | .. |
| 19:19.09 | W8TVI | ouch |
| 19:19.10 | W8TVI | http://www.buybarcode.com/pentablets/ |
| 19:19.10 | kergoth | wtf, i need to bitchslap whomever wrote the zlib Makefile |
| 19:19.20 | W8TVI | Manufacturer: SIEMENS |
| 19:19.20 | W8TVI | Condition: New Equipment |
| 19:19.20 | W8TVI | Our Price: $ 1,070.00 |
| 19:19.23 | gb2 | we walked into the starbucks and the barista there said "ok, ready for thre triples! triple grande nonfat!" |
| 19:19.38 | gb2 | it's great being regulars, heh. |
| 19:19.41 | mickeyl | W8TVI: hehe, yeah. that's near list price when it was new |
| 19:20.08 | mickeyl | and at that price it was (of course) a giant failure |
| 19:20.22 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 19:20.40 | mickeyl | however for 300 it makes a neat device |
| 19:20.42 | W8TVI | the zaurus what nearly a failure is its price |
| 19:20.50 | kergoth | reminds me of the magnia |
| 19:20.55 | kergoth | toshiba seriously overpriced it, imho |
| 19:21.02 | W8TVI | kergoth: yeah |
| 19:21.22 | mickeyl | bbl, watching tv |
| 19:21.33 | W8TVI | kergoth: but they aren't selling them to us, they are selling them to co's |
| 19:21.45 | kergoth | yeah, there is that |
| 19:21.53 | kergoth | well, small businesses more than anything else |
| 19:21.58 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 19:22.14 | lpotter | damn its hot |
| 19:24.08 | W8TVI | Mfg. est. 7 hr with 2800 mAh L-Ion rechargeable |
| 19:24.18 | kergoth | damnit, --verbose wasnt what i was looking for, its too verbose |
| 19:25.32 | lpotter | I wonder if other businesses are going to follow SCO current business model: give shares to attornies in lieu of real money so they get the stock prices up through litagation |
| 19:27.56 | W8TVI | kergoth: hmmm... a simpad for $300-400 or a sl-6000 for ~$800? |
| 19:29.19 | treke | easy answer. a c760 for 600 |
| 19:29.35 | W8TVI | heh |
| 19:30.13 | lpotter | ~lart treke for adding alsa stuff to buildroot... but hidden in the ipaq kernel package, and not telling... |
| 19:31.27 | chouimat | ~lart W8TVI for abusing Sugar last night |
| 19:31.43 | W8TVI | chouimat: I wasn't the only one :P |
| 19:32.00 | W8TVI | ~lart chouimat for taking part too |
| 19:33.25 | treke | lpotter: That stuff isnt really also |
| 19:33.30 | treke | lpotter: It's ipaq only |
| 19:33.37 | lpotter | so |
| 19:33.42 | lpotter | :( |
| 19:35.12 | lpotter | I tried to build my firt ipaq image.. it died on 'bluez-sco unknown soundcard' |
| 19:35.18 | lpotter | so I went investigating... |
| 19:35.42 | lpotter | <lpotter> whats this alsa stuff doing here.... and why am I duplicating work?! |
| 19:36.43 | lpotter | luckily I didnt get too far |
| 19:36.45 | lpotter | :) |
| 19:38.05 | lpotter | thats kind of deviceist |
| 19:38.18 | treke | yes it is |
| 19:38.24 | treke | It's from hh.o cvs |
| 19:39.53 | lpotter | hh has its own alsa tree? |
| 19:40.00 | treke | they did. |
| 19:40.07 | lpotter | heh. |
| 19:40.08 | kergoth | hh has its own everything, practically |
| 19:41.33 | lpotter | well, I hope they push their changes upstream |
| 19:41.41 | treke | that's a good one |
| 19:42.08 | treke | hh.o push changes upstream |
| 19:42.24 | Twiun | re |
| 19:43.10 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 19:43.53 | Twiun | treke: So... how will X on a c7x0 help my fledgeling fbawt project? |
| 19:44.19 | lpotter | treke: will that kernel work on other versions of ipaqs? |
| 19:44.23 | treke | Twiun: Sash was poking at the hardware |
| 19:44.32 | treke | lpotter: Just the 3600, 3700, and 3800 iirc |
| 19:44.39 | lpotter | foo |
| 19:44.44 | kergoth | treke: any progress on using the ati chip for hw rot? |
| 19:44.46 | treke | Twiun:Some of that stuff might be of use to you |
| 19:45.08 | Twiun | treke: even so, all I need to know about the hardware is rgb encoding and dimensions (maybe ts calibration stuff too) |
| 19:45.16 | lpotter | well, at least I can make an image for the ipaq on my desk :) |
| 19:45.32 | Twiun | treke: al I've seen in the wild so far is rgb565 |
| 19:45.35 | Twiun | s/al/all |
| 19:47.45 | lpotter | I think I need a dehumidifier here, I am not used to this dumidity |
| 19:47.47 | Twiun | treke: yes, knowing the physical rgb cell orientation and layout could be usful for subpixel stuff |
| 19:47.51 | lpotter | humidity, even |
| 19:48.14 | treke | kergoth: I have this funny feeling it might be doable |
| 19:48.38 | treke | kergoth: a config file was overriding my code, so Inneed to do another build :) |
| 19:48.43 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:51.32 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:56.57 | kergoth | aha |
| 19:57.00 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:58.11 | lpotter | sooo... whos going to add sl6000 to buildroot? :) |
| 19:58.31 | kergoth | you |
| 19:58.42 | prpplague | lpotter: i will if i can get my hands on one |
| 19:58.48 | prpplague | lpotter: thats my dream pda |
| 19:59.11 | lpotter | I was promised one to appear on my desk |
| 19:59.18 | prpplague | lpotter: really? |
| 19:59.35 | lpotter | ya, I'm the image guy at TT |
| 19:59.50 | lpotter | rom, not png |
| 19:59.57 | prpplague | kergoth: probably not very true, but i like to think they learned something from the backpack i sent those guys at comdex last year, lol |
| 20:00.58 | Twiun | prpplague: what did you send them in it? rotting fish? |
| 20:01.15 | lpotter | http://www.hackles.org/cgi-bin/archives.pl?request=325 |
| 20:01.16 | lpotter | hehe |
| 20:01.44 | prpplague | Twiun: a prototype backpack for the sl-5500, with extended battery, barcode scanner, and had swapable printer or modem |
| 20:02.20 | Twiun | prpplague: nice :) |
| 20:03.41 | kergoth | hmm, the native build using a gcc-cross compiler is exposing a number of interesting little bugs |
| 20:04.53 | kergoth | message.o(.text+0x331): In function `expand_at_expression': |
| 20:04.53 | kergoth | : undefined reference to `__ctype_b_loc' |
| 20:04.53 | kergoth | message.o(.text+0x349): In function `expand_at_expression': |
| 20:04.53 | kergoth | : undefined reference to `__ctype_toupper_loc' |
| 20:04.59 | kergoth | that ring a bell for anyone? |
| 20:05.05 | kergoth | libsupc++ thing? |
| 20:05.12 | kergoth | oh, no |
| 20:05.17 | kergoth | thats a mismatched glibc header thing |
| 20:10.21 | pb_ | right. that's new libc.so, old headers. |
| 20:11.03 | kergoth | yeah, built a new prefix's gcc-cross, with a target thats the same as build arch, but forgot to install the new glibc into the cross prefix, only in staging |
| 20:11.20 | kergoth | so every build we run that links something without using our LDFLAGS breaks :) |
| 20:11.30 | kergoth | actually, its a good way to catch builds that arent obeying our CFLAGS and LDFLAGS, since it falls back to /usr |
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| 20:14.08 | Twiun | I wonder if bochs is mature enough to autorun from cd under windows and boot a linux image from the cd... |
| 20:14.56 | kergoth | thatd be spiffy |
| 20:15.06 | pb_ | so, my motherboard and my floppy drive both have polarised IDC connectors. The cable will only go in one way, so no possibility of getting it wrong. Right? |
| 20:15.19 | Twiun | kergoth: virtualpc and vmware had come to mind too |
| 20:15.39 | Twiun | know any other virtualisers? |
| 20:16.43 | lpotter | I think the buildroot ipaq kernel is getting confused Unknown soundcard bluez-sco, |
| 20:17.00 | pb_ | lpotter: bluez-sco really is a soundcard. |
| 20:17.02 | kergoth | hmm, damnit damnit damnit |
| 20:17.39 | lpotter | and it uns on an ipaq? |
| 20:17.40 | kergoth | damnit, it keeps pulling in the old headers for some reason |
| 20:17.43 | lpotter | runs |
| 20:17.48 | kergoth | guess its time to read the preprocessor output |
| 20:17.52 | pb_ | lpotter: yep |
| 20:18.10 | lpotter | well. its still confused then |
| 20:19.46 | lpotter | unfortunate name |
| 20:22.15 | lpotter | must not be working right, cause I see no bluez-sco for alsa configure params |
| 20:22.40 | pb_ | it might only show up when you have the hardware in range. |
| 20:23.23 | lpotter | soo.. I should have an ipaq on my desk when I try to compile the kernel? |
| 20:23.37 | pb_ | eh? why do you need bluez-sco to compile the kernel? |
| 20:24.09 | pb_ | oh, I see, you mean it doesn't show up in the kernel config. |
| 20:24.43 | lpotter | I dunno. I'm not doing anything except trying to compile the ipaq kernel with buildroot. it errors when |
| 20:24.55 | lpotter | checking for which soundcards to compile driver for... Unknown soundcard bluez-sco, exiting! |
| 20:25.14 | pb_ | ah, I see. |
| 20:25.17 | lpotter | obviously not getting the params given to it from the makefile |
| 20:25.25 | pb_ | sounds like treke included a busted version of alsa. |
| 20:25.31 | lpotter | cvs |
| 20:25.34 | lpotter | from hh |
| 20:25.34 | pb_ | as distinct, of course, from the many non-busted versions on offer. |
| 20:26.31 | lpotter | hmm.. |
| 20:27.20 | lpotter | is there a certain cvstag for alsa it should be trying ? |
| 20:27.28 | Twiun | wb mickeyl |
| 20:27.58 | pb_ | not sure. jamey would be the man to ask |
| 20:27.59 | mickeyl | hiho |
| 20:28.23 | lpotter | well, I really think its not getting the --with-cards param |
| 20:28.35 | kergoth | ah ha! |
| 20:28.43 | kergoth | our glibc build wasnt installing gnu/stubs.h into staging |
| 20:28.54 | kergoth | so even when we had it in th ecflags, itd still fall back to my glibc2.2.x desktop versionm |
| 20:28.58 | kergoth | boom boom |
| 20:29.28 | mickeyl | sucky |
| 20:29.45 | mickeyl | problem is, you'll notify only when cross building don't you? |
| 20:29.55 | kergoth | mickeyl: started a native build, realized our glibc wont build with gcc296, so built a cross-gcc 3.3.2 for my native arch in tmp/staging |
| 20:30.02 | kergoth | mickeyl: then build binutils-cross, since the desktop one there was too old too |
| 20:30.17 | kergoth | but glibc didnt install its stuff into the cross_dir, so anything that doesnt obey ldflags or cflags explodes horribly |
| 20:30.20 | kergoth | fun stuff |
| 20:30.36 | mickeyl | i see. however that's probably an inherent problem. when building native, stuff like that can happen without one spotting it. |
| 20:30.47 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:31.03 | kergoth | glad to catch these though, we want everybody obeying our flags |
| 20:35.55 | kergoth | damnit, its still getting /usr/include headers leaked in |
| 20:50.42 | bipolar | do de do de do |
| 20:53.17 | kergoth | build faster |
| 20:56.37 | kergoth | too late, its done |
| 20:56.37 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:56.44 | bipolar | lol |
| 20:56.52 | kergoth | i'll need it for libtool |
| 20:56.56 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:57.21 | bipolar | kergoth: did you figgure out who rm'ed the unstable feed? |
| 20:57.45 | mickeyl | probably I'm guilty. |
| 20:57.52 | mickeyl | i wiped it accidantly |
| 20:57.56 | mickeyl | one -r too much |
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| 20:58.00 | bipolar | hehe |
| 20:58.04 | mickeyl | but then again, i will fill it in a few days |
| 20:58.23 | bipolar | mickeyl: will you be using oe by then? :) |
| 20:58.43 | mickeyl | of course |
| 20:58.49 | bipolar | cool |
| 20:58.52 | mickeyl | probably only a few packages to appear |
| 20:58.54 | mickeyl | and no images |
| 20:58.57 | mickeyl | but i can use oe |
| 20:58.57 | mickeyl | :D |
| 20:59.01 | bipolar | eek |
| 20:59.07 | mickeyl | no really, you know that we're not there yet |
| 20:59.15 | mickeyl | still ~ 100 packages away |
| 20:59.17 | mickeyl | and deviceisms |
| 20:59.19 | mickeyl | and kernels |
| 20:59.19 | kergoth | our package naming is completely off too |
| 20:59.20 | kergoth | e.g. |
| 20:59.25 | kergoth | openssl vs libssl + libcrypto |
| 20:59.31 | kergoth | so the upgrade path is hosed |
| 20:59.35 | bipolar | ipkg upgrading on this old kernel is suicide |
| 20:59.57 | bipolar | to heck with the upgrade path. It's not like reloading a PC |
| 21:00.01 | W8TVI | ipkg upgrading IS suicide |
| 21:00.19 | bipolar | backup data, reflash, restore data. |
| 21:00.22 | W8TVI | I have never had one good upgrade once |
| 21:00.51 | W8TVI | I'm using the the opie.us oz "3.3.5" image |
| 21:00.57 | W8TVI | on both my zaurri |
| 21:01.49 | W8TVI | something would always get missed |
| 21:02.18 | bipolar | yep... same here. Upgrading would always botch the flash |
| 21:02.43 | kergoth | its surprisingly hard to keep the upgrade path smooth |
| 21:02.50 | kergoth | frankly i'm amazed the debian folks have done as well as they have |
| 21:02.55 | mickeyl | opie.us ? |
| 21:02.56 | W8TVI | it wouldnt mess up the flash, I just never got all the ipks upgraded |
| 21:02.57 | kergoth | course they have tools that Suck Less (tm) |
| 21:03.32 | W8TVI | http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/initrds/OZ-Opie-1.02/ |
| 21:03.44 | bipolar | debian has *much* better tools, and more horsepower to run them with. |
| 21:04.13 | mickeyl | W8TVI: ah. right. i did upgrade the version number before uploading the 2.4.18 stuff. i was confused for a moment. never mind |
| 21:04.16 | bipolar | W8TVI: I've had my Z become unbootable, and had to reflash anyway. ;) |
| 21:04.46 | W8TVI | package will not be downgraded to ((null)) from 0.9.9 |
| 21:04.49 | bipolar | mickeyl: 2.4.18? what going on with it? |
| 21:04.56 | W8TVI | or some other junk |
| 21:05.52 | mickeyl | bipolar: you're living under a rock lately? :D |
| 21:06.03 | bipolar | mickeyl: living at work. :\ |
| 21:06.07 | ljp | nope. most likely a stump |
| 21:06.12 | bipolar | hahaha |
| 21:09.19 | bipolar | mickeyl: please do point me to that... I can't find it... :p |
| 21:09.59 | ljp | bipolar: curerntly the oz 2.4.18 still has a few kinks to work out |
| 21:10.22 | ljp | from what I have heard |
| 21:10.25 | treke | bipolar: They dont have that much more horsepower to run the tools with |
| 21:10.34 | bipolar | ljp: the newer 2.4.x has *always* had a few kinks to work out. |
| 21:10.54 | bipolar | treke: should have said storage. Thats the only think that keeps us from using apt-get :) |
| 21:11.07 | treke | stroage yes :) |
| 21:11.19 | treke | amazingly debian has a fairly sane downgrade path also |
| 21:12.22 | mickeyl | bipolar: http://openzaurus.bkbits.net:8080/buildroot/ChangeSet@-2w?nav=index.html |
| 21:12.23 | kergoth | bipolar: well, it also uses a fair amount of ram for its representation of the dependency digraph |
| 21:12.28 | mickeyl | take a look for the multiline changeset |
| 21:12.31 | kergoth | though that could probably be improved |
| 21:13.46 | bipolar | mickeyl: thanks! |
| 21:17.51 | bipolar | so 2.4.18 still needs battery and sound support? |
| 21:18.05 | mickeyl | it could benefit from it |
| 21:18.16 | mickeyl | however i don't think that will happen |
| 21:18.24 | bipolar | really? |
| 21:18.26 | mickeyl | better concentrate kernel-resources on 2.4.21-cl |
| 21:18.38 | mickeyl | instead of patching the wicked embedix thingy |
| 21:18.49 | bipolar | what about the sd module? Is that situation resolved? |
| 21:18.58 | mickeyl | slowly slowly |
| 21:19.01 | mickeyl | misunderstanding here |
| 21:19.07 | mickeyl | 2.4.18-embedix is fully working |
| 21:19.12 | mickeyl | it needs our _patches_ |
| 21:19.19 | mickeyl | it doesn't need battery support |
| 21:19.19 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:19.28 | mickeyl | it could benefit from our more accurate battery reading |
| 21:19.33 | bipolar | oh... I see |
| 21:19.36 | mickeyl | that's what i wrote in the changelog |
| 21:19.42 | W8TVI | and we need better battery life :) |
| 21:19.55 | W8TVI | what is sharp doing that makes the battery last longer? |
| 21:19.56 | bipolar | hehe |
| 21:20.08 | mickeyl | W8TVI: do they? |
| 21:20.24 | bipolar | mickeyl: after re-reading the changelog, i see what you're talking about. |
| 21:20.42 | mickeyl | W8TVI: apart from shutting down wlan unless it's really used, i don't see what they're doing different |
| 21:20.43 | W8TVI | I can get 2 hours out of the battery on the sharp rom, but only 1 while using wireless |
| 21:21.09 | kergoth | W8TVI: it could be that our calculations during the periodic battery check for the accuracy is consuming cpu |
| 21:21.17 | kergoth | there are a number of possibilities there |
| 21:21.22 | kergoth | s/cpu/too much cpu/ |
| 21:21.53 | kergoth | e.g. we could keep the raw data, and postpone interpolation to /proc/apm read time |
| 21:22.02 | W8TVI | can apm run the cpu slower? |
| 21:22.07 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:22.14 | kergoth | you mean at a different clock speed? |
| 21:22.18 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 21:22.18 | kergoth | there are tools for doing that |
| 21:22.21 | kergoth | apm has nothing tod o with it |
| 21:22.28 | kergoth | the biggest power consumption sources arent cpu though |
| 21:22.35 | kergoth | i doubt itll gain you all that much |
| 21:22.52 | W8TVI | every little bit helps :) |
| 21:23.14 | kergoth | this is like the general way you handle optimizations |
| 21:23.20 | chouimat | hmmm SCO hires Bodyguards for Execs |
| 21:23.21 | kergoth | optimize where you'll see the most benefit. |
| 21:23.28 | kergoth | not at points that wont gain you much |
| 21:23.32 | kergoth | there are other ways we can improve consumption |
| 21:24.09 | kergoth | e.g. optionally powering down or reducing consumption of peripheral chips while we arent suspended, but when we're idle. that sort of thing |
| 21:24.18 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 21:24.25 | chouimat | http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Nov/11192003/business/112207.asp |
| 21:24.26 | kergoth | or simply killing threads that do periodic stuff when idle, like the battery % |
| 21:25.14 | mickey|Zflash | kill QTimers |
| 21:25.17 | kergoth | this type of thing will be easier in 2.6, which uses the driver model and driver model pm hooks for things |
| 21:25.21 | mickey|Zflash | a lot of them are unnecessary |
| 21:25.21 | kergoth | mickey|Zflash: yeah, thats a big one too |
| 21:25.26 | kergoth | kill the cardmon one |
| 21:25.31 | mickey|Zflash | wirelessapplet |
| 21:25.34 | kergoth | in favor of a qcop call in hotplug & pcmcia scripts |
| 21:25.41 | mickey|Zflash | exactly |
| 21:25.45 | mickey|Zflash | but that is Opie 2.0 stuff |
| 21:25.47 | mickey|Zflash | :) |
| 21:25.48 | kergoth | or even a dnotify hook on /etc for mtab |
| 21:25.51 | kergoth | would be better |
| 21:25.52 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:26.05 | kergoth | lots of things like that will help more than cpu clock speed would |
| 21:26.20 | chouimat | At any rate, McBride has no plans to compromise SCO's claims. The title of his address Tuesday night to the Computer Digital Expo at Mandalay Bay was: "There's No Free Lunch -- or Free Linux." |
| 21:26.41 | kergoth | mickey|Zflash: could optionally kill network services when there are no interfaces other than lo up. |
| 21:26.45 | kergoth | mickey|Zflash: e.g. sshd, inetd, .. |
| 21:26.54 | kergoth | thatd reduce memory usage due to daemons as well |
| 21:27.10 | kergoth | keep a counter of what interfaces are up vs daemon start/stop |
| 21:27.23 | mickey|Zflash | right. we will come up with a solid notification interface for that kind of things. |
| 21:27.46 | kergoth | well that one's easy |
| 21:27.47 | mickey|Zflash | a neat little abstraction that turns hw notifications in qcop calls |
| 21:27.50 | mickey|Zflash | yup |
| 21:28.21 | mickey|Zflash | ah daemon startup/stop |
| 21:28.25 | mickey|Zflash | good idea |
| 21:28.49 | chouimat | mickey|Zflash: so far 2.4.18 works great |
| 21:28.54 | kergoth | easy enough, just an ifupdown pre/post script with a per-daemon usage counter, and a new option to an iface to each daemon |
| 21:29.01 | kergoth | gotta love debian ifupdown |
| 21:29.21 | mickey|Zflash | chouimat: good to hear. for a dedicated unstable version i feel it's solid enough. |
| 21:29.22 | kergoth | mickey|Zflash: some form of dnotify wrapper in libopie# would be useful as well, for file/dir monitoring |
| 21:29.59 | kergoth | on machines that dont support dnotify, itd poll, as things go currently |
| 21:31.10 | mickey|Zflash | remind me... dnotify ? |
| 21:31.19 | kergoth | its a linux kernel feature in 2.4.x |
| 21:31.28 | kergoth | that allows you to get called back on directory/file changes |
| 21:31.33 | kergoth | its rarely used, but quite spiffy |
| 21:31.51 | prpplague | chouimat: yea i almost spit my coffee out when i read that speech title this morning |
| 21:31.54 | mickey|Zflash | ah that feature. never tried, but i knew it exists. cool |
| 21:32.08 | chouimat | mickey|Zflash: and I can live with the 5 seconds delay :) |
| 21:32.56 | mickey|Zflash | chouimat: it goes away by downgrading hotplug to the 3.2 stable version! |
| 21:33.22 | chouimat | good to know |
| 21:33.37 | mickeyl | booting |
| 21:33.39 | mickeyl | ... |
| 21:33.44 | mickeyl | first usage wizard |
| 21:33.45 | mickeyl | hahah |
| 21:33.51 | mickeyl | "Do you want to enable the DocTab" ? |
| 21:33.53 | mickeyl | it works |
| 21:33.54 | mickeyl | :D |
| 21:33.58 | mickeyl | NOOOOO |
| 21:33.59 | mickeyl | :D |
| 21:34.11 | kergoth | heh, how are you determining if its a first boot? |
| 21:34.28 | mickeyl | of course. for that I added a first-usage page :D |
| 21:34.36 | kergoth | .. |
| 21:34.40 | mickeyl | (you can switch afterwards) |
| 21:34.50 | chouimat | prpplague: I want the speech itself but know this moron we're going to probably have to pay for it |
| 21:34.52 | mickeyl | oh |
| 21:35.04 | kergoth | i mean, just a stamp file you touch after the wizard is run once, or..? |
| 21:35.06 | mickeyl | kergoth: that is qpe - looking in qpe.conf [Startup] FirstUse |
| 21:35.09 | chouimat | kergoth: /etc/firsttime and you remove it ... |
| 21:35.20 | kergoth | mickeyl: ah okay, cool |
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| 21:37.05 | chouimat | wtf SCO want to sue BSD next year? |
| 21:38.17 | W8TVI | well yeah, dont you know that SCo owns unix and linux and anything that looks like it? |
| 21:38.33 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg sco |
| 21:38.35 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>S.C.O.: Synthetic Cybernetic Organism</B> |
| 21:38.39 | Twiun | I don't recognise that claim ;) |
| 21:38.51 | kergoth | <ibm> sco: bend over |
| 21:38.56 | chouimat | ok I will have to port my stuff to MathieuOS when it will be finished |
| 21:39.54 | W8TVI | next they'll be sueing ms over dos |
| 21:40.18 | ljp | All you Linux Are Base |
| 21:40.35 | treke | man some companies have the shittiest websites |
| 21:40.46 | ljp | like sco's |
| 21:41.03 | treke | http://www.dialcomm.com/ |
| 21:41.13 | prpplague | Sub Class Operatingsystem |
| 21:42.00 | W8TVI | email to dial@dialcomm.com: why does you website suck? |
| 21:42.04 | kergoth | nothing like a butt ugly green & white scheme with no sane navigation |
| 21:42.57 | tux_mike | This just in from the newswire: SCO to sue God for concept of The Universe. |
| 21:43.01 | mickeyl | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.15026.png |
| 21:43.05 | mickeyl | :D |
| 21:43.07 | ljp | I like those web sites that look like old terminals |
| 21:43.13 | chouimat | http://www.atnewyork.com/news/article.php/3110981 |
| 21:43.29 | kergoth | mickeyl: should kill the tab completely when its disabled, imho |
| 21:43.36 | mickeyl | hell i tried |
| 21:43.36 | kergoth | otherwise its just wasting screen room |
| 21:43.39 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:43.40 | mickeyl | no go |
| 21:43.53 | mickeyl | after trying for 2 hours i gave up |
| 21:43.55 | kergoth | imho we should rework the launcher still |
| 21:43.56 | mickeyl | and did it the easy way |
| 21:43.56 | mickeyl | :D |
| 21:43.59 | mickeyl | definitly |
| 21:44.03 | kergoth | just use the quicklaunch plugin api instead of our own |
| 21:44.06 | mickeyl | what you did in oapp |
| 21:44.10 | mickeyl | is the foundation |
| 21:44.13 | mickeyl | for our new launcher |
| 21:44.21 | mickeyl | s/is/will be |
| 21:44.38 | mickeyl | launcher plugins will be the way to go imho |
| 21:44.42 | kergoth | its just a quicklaunch type interface for the apps, but with a small icon-like widget for displaying it in a tab/icon |
| 21:45.01 | kergoth | need a tabbar thats more customizable, the tab cant contain anything spiffy |
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| 21:46.00 | kergoth | i want a tab bar that supports any QWidget inside the tab, so the plugin can completely control its look & feel and behavior |
| 21:46.52 | W8TVI | world to McBride> your full of shit. |
| 21:46.54 | mickeyl | yes, that's the way to go |
| 21:48.28 | kergoth | mickeyl: problem is, the qtab implementation sucks |
| 21:48.33 | W8TVI | haha! |
| 21:48.34 | W8TVI | "So I asked the question, 'have you thought about what impact this would have?' And I heard two things: one was [the audit] found violations with Linux. The other was that the company would be crucified by the Linux community." |
| 21:48.36 | kergoth | shit isnt virtual |
| 21:48.40 | kergoth | badly done |
| 21:48.43 | kergoth | wonder if qt3 is any better |
| 21:50.06 | mickeyl | they have been gone a bit over the top with the private stuff ... in more than one place |
| 21:50.48 | chouimat | W8TVI: so anyway you will soon be all back using windows -192 if SCO wins |
| 21:51.21 | W8TVI | I'll just run bsd on my zaurus :) |
| 21:51.30 | kergoth | shit shit shit |
| 21:51.41 | kergoth | still fails, but that object isnt pulling in any header from /usr anymore |
| 21:51.41 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:52.28 | chouimat | W8TVI: sco plan to sue BSD next year |
| 21:52.44 | W8TVI | chouimat: big blue is on our side. |
| 21:52.55 | kergoth | DAMNIT |
| 21:52.57 | kergoth | grr |
| 21:53.01 | chouimat | W8TVI: and probably hp etc ... |
| 21:53.12 | treke | microsoft is on bsd's side. They need somplace to steal their code from |
| 21:53.15 | kergoth | still getting ctype errors |
| 21:53.15 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:53.20 | W8TVI | sco is stupid for going after a big multi national co |
| 21:53.47 | W8TVI | SCO's case against IBM has now been set for March 11, 2005 in a Utah courtroom. |
| 21:53.49 | chouimat | W8TVI: that remind me from a tale: the frog and the beef |
| 21:54.29 | W8TVI | McBride predicted that the current General Public License (define) that accompanies some open source software would not survive and that his company would prevail in court. |
| 21:54.40 | W8TVI | "There is a misconception that SCO wants to destroy Open Source and Linux," said McBride. "Certainly we believe strongly that there needs to be checks and balances, that open source has merit. We think there is a way for both to be possible." |
| 21:55.09 | W8TVI | just a bunch of double talk |
| 21:55.33 | W8TVI | Sugar: cybord darl |
| 21:55.38 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg darl |
| 21:55.39 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>D.A.R.L.: Digital Artificial Repair Lifeform</B> |
| 21:55.59 | W8TVI | Sugar: cyborg ibm |
| 21:56.00 | Sugar | W8TVI: <B>I.B.M.: Intelligent Biomechanical Machine</B> |
| 21:56.52 | W8TVI | SCO learned from the RIAA school of litigation |
| 21:57.34 | W8TVI | I'll give M$ my money before I'd give it to SCO |
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| 21:59.44 | kergoth | argh |
| 21:59.50 | W8TVI | so are they sueing BSD for making the BSD licence? |
| 22:00.13 | chouimat | W8TVI: i thinks it's more like an ip thing but ... |
| 22:00.25 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 22:00.32 | kergoth | what the hell. |
| 22:00.38 | kergoth | # 81 "/home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/native/tmp/staging/target/include/ctype.h" |
| 22:00.41 | kergoth | extern __const unsigned short int **__ctype_b_loc (void) |
| 22:00.43 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.46 | kergoth | extern __const __int32_t **__ctype_tolower_loc (void) |
| 22:00.48 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.51 | kergoth | extern __const __int32_t **__ctype_toupper_loc (void) |
| 22:00.53 | chouimat | W8TVI: that will include Apple :) |
| 22:00.53 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.27 | W8TVI | chouimat: that includes M$ intrests... |
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| 22:01.54 | W8TVI | last I heard, M$ heavly invested in apple |
| 22:02.08 | W8TVI | heh |
| 22:02.09 | W8TVI | AT&T Awarded Patent for Filter Evasion Method |
| 22:02.15 | W8TVI | eat that spammers! |
| 22:02.32 | kergoth | eh |
| 22:02.38 | kergoth | thats a way to get past spam filtering |
| 22:02.45 | prpplague | yea well at&t is one of the worst offender about telemarketing, spam is just a hop away |
| 22:02.47 | kergoth | are there other methods though? |
| 22:03.01 | ljp | soo...... is OS X next on SCO's list? |
| 22:03.13 | chouimat | ljp: it's seems so ... |
| 22:03.48 | W8TVI | "AT&T is making every effort to stop spam, not encourage it," said Michael Dickman, a spokesperson for AT&T Labs. "This patent is an innovative approach in the arsenal of tools open to AT&T to try to discourage spam." |
| 22:03.48 | kergoth | hmm, we werent installing libc_nonshared.a into staging |
| 22:03.56 | kergoth | i wonder if the ctype stuff is part of nonshared or shared |
| 22:04.49 | kergoth | hm, looks like part of shared |
| 22:04.50 | kergoth | damnit |
| 22:04.54 | kergoth | what the hell is going on here |
| 22:05.27 | chouimat | W8TVI: with a tool that enable to pass spam filter? |
| 22:07.49 | W8TVI | no... a patent on a common technique used by spammers to evade spam filters. |
| 22:08.14 | W8TVI | you know the random letters and numbers that you get in spams> |
| 22:08.23 | chouimat | W8TVI: and at&t will all sue them? |
| 22:08.25 | ljp | crap... df -h .. /dev/system/home 20G 20G 56K 100% /home |
| 22:08.42 | W8TVI | at&t got a patent on it |
| 22:08.47 | W8TVI | chouimat: looks that way |
| 22:08.56 | W8TVI | read this: http://www.internetnews.com/IAR/article.php/3111281 |
| 22:09.57 | kergoth | ahah, there we go |
| 22:11.40 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new |
| 22:14.24 | kergoth | woot, got past that issue |
| 22:14.26 | kergoth | next! |
| 22:14.28 | kergoth | boom |
| 22:14.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:16.07 | bipolar | I just found an article that explains why bill gates has his foundation that gives all that money to africa. |
| 22:16.10 | bipolar | http://www.guerrillanews.com/sci-tech/doc2398.html |
| 22:16.18 | bipolar | very interesting. |
| 22:17.59 | kergoth | woo, e2fsprogs finally built native, got it obeying the flags vars properly finally |
| 22:20.10 | bipolar | time to head home.... |
| 22:20.13 | bipolar | later all |
| 22:23.41 | kergoth | anyone feel like doing a buildroot corgi kernel to toss in the experimental area? the old one is missing |
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| 22:29.29 | chouimat | kergoth: sorry busy doing a new watchtower image |
| 22:30.23 | kergoth | np, busy myself |
| 22:31.27 | chouimat | kergoth: and since I needed to get ghanima in bsd mode for that I lost one box in my compile cluster |
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| 22:40.34 | ljp | weee |
| 22:40.38 | ljp | more space! |
| 22:42.08 | ljp | 20 gb just aint enough for 7 buildroots |
| 22:42.23 | kergoth | heh, true that |
| 22:42.43 | kergoth | cmon gcc, build faster |
| 22:43.04 | ljp | build and output dorectories should be dependant upon device being imaged, I think |
| 22:43.37 | ljp | hmm, and maybe configs |
| 22:43.40 | kergoth | ljp: not worth implementing, OE already splits build area from metadata source |
| 22:43.49 | kergoth | just buildroot doesnt |
| 22:44.00 | ljp | ya, I was speaking of oe.. |
| 22:44.05 | ljp | cool |
| 22:44.07 | chouimat | kergoth: do you plan to add testing hooks in to OE? |
| 22:44.09 | kergoth | mkdir newdirtobuildforsomeoddtarget |
| 22:44.12 | kergoth | mkdir newdirtobuildforsomeoddtarget/conf |
| 22:44.27 | kergoth | echo TARGET_ARCH=mipsel >> newdirtobuildforsomeoddtarget/conf/local.conf |
| 22:44.40 | kergoth | cd newdirtobuildforsomeoddtarget; oemake |
| 22:45.08 | kergoth | assuming OEFILES points to the metadata source |
| 22:45.45 | kergoth | chouimat: not really. I want the daemon to support remote control via xml/rpc so the test infrastructure can build test tools, though |
| 22:45.59 | kergoth | chouimat: i'd rather use a seperate test framework that hooks into it, rather than any form of integration |
| 22:46.32 | gb2 | how much still needs to be migrated to OE? |
| 22:46.40 | gb2 | is there a big checklist somewhere? |
| 22:46.42 | kergoth | kernels and things that depend on them |
| 22:46.45 | kergoth | opie, qtpoia |
| 22:46.48 | kergoth | thats about it really |
| 22:47.05 | mickeyl | gb2: checklist is ... like... compare $OZDIR/packages and $OEDIR/packages :D |
| 22:47.06 | treke | ljp volunteered to do kernels |
| 22:47.17 | chouimat | kergoth: i see what you mean but the hooks can be used to do unit testing ... and the external framework used for functional and regression |
| 22:47.35 | treke | bah. have the shit in OZDIR/packages doesnt matter one bit |
| 22:47.37 | treke | half |
| 22:47.49 | kergoth | chouimat: I dont want the buildsystem to have any dependency on a target system |
| 22:47.49 | gb2 | that's part of what i was thinking |
| 22:47.51 | ljp | ya, you really want me doing the kernel stuff? |
| 22:48.00 | kergoth | chouimat: and a test framework generally needs a target machien to run tests on |
| 22:48.07 | kergoth | chouimat: thats the main reason i want them independent |
| 22:48.19 | chouimat | kergoth: ok I will hack it here then ... |
| 22:48.20 | kergoth | well that, and keeping OE as dead simple as possible to avoid more potential for failures |
| 22:48.43 | ljp | and law suits from SCO |
| 22:48.54 | treke | kergoth: can you do something like do_configure_husky_prepend? and have it prepended to the standard do_configure? |
| 22:50.02 | chouimat | kergoth: or seek another buildsystem ... i have to meet certain requirment for this customers ... i wonders why i accepted that |
| 22:50.20 | mickeyl | ibot: pester treke to layout the framework for the deviceisms |
| 22:50.26 | | treke to layout the framework for the deviceisms: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 22:50.26 | mickeyl | argh sorry |
| 22:50.27 | kergoth | treke: iirc that should work. can also do do_configure_prepend_husky, which appends to do_configure only when building for husky |
| 22:50.29 | mickeyl | s/treke/kergoth |
| 22:50.34 | kergoth | mickeyl: look at the modutils .oe |
| 22:50.39 | treke | mickeyl: he said look in modutils |
| 22:50.44 | kergoth | thats a dead simple example |
| 22:50.51 | treke | kergoth: thats what I was looking for. |
| 22:50.51 | mickeyl | what did he say? |
| 22:50.53 | kergoth | doesnt make use of OVERRIDES bits, as it wasnt necessary |
| 22:51.28 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 22:51.34 | kergoth | night |
| 22:51.38 | treke | how do we want to split kernels up? kernel-zaurus-sa and kernel-zaurus-pxa? |
| 22:51.51 | treke | or just one kernel-zaurus? |
| 22:52.02 | kergoth | well, right now theres no runtime detection at all in our kernels |
| 22:52.05 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:52.10 | kergoth | so its completely machine dependent |
| 22:52.33 | kergoth | build time package name doesnt matter much. probably want to name the primary output package 'kernel' or something, relying onthe version to keep them seperate |
| 22:52.48 | treke | ok. |
| 22:53.08 | chouimat | cool: http://www.kegel.com/crosstool/current/ChangeLog |
| 22:53.17 | treke | I figured all of the pxa zauruses could probably build from the same source with different .configs, but collie is going to be the odd man out |
| 22:53.41 | treke | except for maybe the a300, but no one really cares about it |
| 22:53.50 | kergoth | yeah, thatd be fine |
| 22:53.53 | gb2 | the kernel is probably happiest being fairly specific |
| 22:53.57 | kergoth | or manipulate SRC_URI based on machine |
| 22:54.00 | kergoth | doesnt really matter |
| 22:54.41 | gb2 | SRC_URI_append_husky |
| 22:54.43 | gb2 | and similar? |
| 22:54.56 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:55.36 | gb2 | that'd probably be rather nice and readable too |
| 22:56.04 | chouimat | hmmm 199cad for a wrt54g is this expensive? |
| 22:56.25 | treke | sugar what is 199 cad in USD |
| 22:56.27 | gb2 | that's like US$15 right? |
| 22:56.27 | Sugar | Can't get US$ from CAD. |
| 22:57.03 | chouimat | about 150usd |
| 22:57.35 | gb2 | that's about twice what it should be |
| 22:58.15 | gb2 | i get a lot of hits for US$80-ish |
| 22:58.28 | chouimat | gb2: when it came they usally add 100 to 150 dollars over the us price |
| 23:03.07 | Twiun | right. time for bed ;) |
| 23:03.09 | Twiun | g'night |
| 23:03.13 | kergoth | night Twiun |
| 23:05.09 | chouimat | gb2: the wrt54g is the one with 4ports? |
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| 23:09.10 | chouimat | gb2: ok it's 135cad |
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| 23:34.05 | kergoth | ugh, finally. glibc finished again |
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