| 00:07.53 | W8TVI | cool |
| 00:07.58 | W8TVI | oz 3.3.4 |
| 00:08.00 | W8TVI | :) |
| 00:14.17 | W8TVI | if I remove the usbd core and net pakages, the usb stuff will be gone? |
| 00:19.52 | ljp | how many colors on s 5500 screen? |
| 00:21.28 | W8TVI | alot |
| 00:21.45 | W8TVI | 64k |
| 00:21.51 | W8TVI | I think |
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| 02:09.02 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: no alias today? |
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| 03:04.50 | chouimat | nigth |
| 03:05.59 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: hey |
| 03:06.03 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: was alias on tonight? |
| 03:06.21 | chouimat | nope AMA |
| 03:06.37 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit |
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| 09:55.15 | CIA | repository=03packages user=11mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de |
| 09:55.16 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.315 add libgcrypt and vpnc contributed by Rick Schultz <bloodyvikings@sbcglobal.net> |
| 09:56.04 | Twiun | g'morning mickeyl |
| 09:56.20 | mickeyl | hey Twiun |
| 09:56.22 | mickeyl | :) |
| 09:56.25 | mickeyl | i figured i let CIA bot greet for me :) |
| 09:56.59 | mickeyl | Twiun: what Z do you have? |
| 09:57.01 | Twiun | it was a nice intro :) |
| 09:57.06 | Twiun | mickeyl: 5000d |
| 09:57.13 | mickeyl | Twiun: in the mood for flashing? |
| 09:57.20 | mickeyl | flashing _it_ :) |
| 09:57.35 | Twiun | mickeyl: I'd *love* to, however, I'm at work :( |
| 09:57.43 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 09:57.47 | mickeyl | ok, when you got home |
| 09:57.54 | mickeyl | head over to the following place: |
| 09:58.19 | mickeyl | http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/.to.be.released./ |
| 09:58.42 | mickeyl | please don't publically announce - we want to release 3.3.5 simultaneously for nearly all supported models later this week. |
| 09:58.58 | Twiun | will do |
| 10:03.07 | lpotter | mickeyl: would you push that kernel for sl to buildroot, please |
| 10:07.06 | cmartin | hi mickeyl |
| 10:10.13 | Twiun | mithro: jipped? (and why is having it done by two people at the same time a bad thing?) |
| 10:12.07 | mickeyl | hi cmartin |
| 10:12.20 | mickeyl | lpotter: can't wait to build a qtopia rom with it? :D |
| 10:12.33 | lpotter | :) |
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| 10:13.10 | lpotter | qtopia and opie |
| 10:13.29 | mickeyl | opie has already been done |
| 10:13.44 | mickeyl | we want to release 3.3.5 for all machines @ the end of the week |
| 10:13.53 | mickeyl | so |
| 10:13.56 | mickeyl | it should be all in |
| 10:14.01 | CIA | repository=03buildroot user=11mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de |
| 10:14.02 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.1388 COLLIE: enable building of 2.4.18 for multiple model & ramdisk configurations |
| 10:14.09 | mickeyl | remember he who spent the whole weekend for that |
| 10:14.29 | LinuxDoc | mickeyl, nice !! |
| 10:14.55 | mithro | Twiun: jipped == ripped off |
| 10:14.57 | mickeyl | and please wait for OZ 3.3.5 to release before publishing self-made releases |
| 10:15.10 | mithro | bblr getting dinner |
| 10:15.32 | cmartin | mickeyl: just testing the next OpenSIMpad image (includes Opie 1.0.2 and floating input-methods) ;) |
| 10:15.41 | mickeyl | cmartin: ah great. good timing. |
| 10:16.12 | mickeyl | will make a big bang this week. OpenSIMpad & OZ 3.3.5 for collie/shepherd/husky/poodle/corgi |
| 10:16.19 | mickeyl | and probably ipaq h3600 |
| 10:16.53 | cmartin | mickeyl: i did recognise a problem with the new input-methods - when using a non-floating method the taskbar-button only unhides the input-method |
| 10:17.24 | lpotter | hey how'd you get the default dat to 2003 instead of 1970? |
| 10:17.28 | lpotter | date |
| 10:17.36 | mickeyl | lpotter: kernel |
| 10:17.42 | mickeyl | probably |
| 10:17.44 | mickeyl | dunno |
| 10:17.54 | lpotter | I thought jffs2 wiped that date |
| 10:17.56 | mickeyl | can't remember exactly what i did |
| 10:18.05 | mickeyl | was too much stuff simultaneously |
| 10:18.20 | mickeyl | cmartin: "only" unhides? What should it do in addition? |
| 10:18.30 | cmartin | hide |
| 10:18.44 | mickeyl | d'oh |
| 10:18.54 | cmartin | :) |
| 10:19.30 | mickeyl | hmm... ok, i try to remember to take a look at it, when i'm in opie-mode again. |
| 10:19.31 | cmartin | the floating methods work fine |
| 10:20.35 | lpotter | hotplug isn't working |
| 10:20.55 | cmartin | it would be nice though if the floating methods never get the focus - my tests showed that after moving the keyboard it retained focus and the app in the background had to be focussed before it recieves any input |
| 10:21.45 | mickeyl | nothing i can do about that |
| 10:21.49 | mickeyl | without major hacking |
| 10:22.59 | cmartin | i think it's acceptable though - just the non-hiding of non-floating methods should definately be looked at |
| 10:23.06 | Twiun | doesn't a focuslost message go through the event system? |
| 10:23.37 | mickeyl | yes it does, but to properly deal with that, i have to touch the inputmethods themself |
| 10:23.47 | mickeyl | i implemented free floating inputmethods without touching them |
| 10:23.54 | cmartin | mickeyl: i figure the hiding of the non-floating methods would probably be a one-liner |
| 10:24.10 | mickeyl | cmartin: go ahead :) |
| 10:24.17 | Twiun | mickeyl: so you can't do someapp.requestfocus? |
| 10:24.23 | cmartin | hehe |
| 10:24.46 | cmartin | mickeyl: where di you do that coding - i'll give it a shot |
| 10:24.53 | cmartin | s/ di /did |
| 10:25.05 | mickeyl | cmartin: check core/server/inputmethods.* |
| 10:25.10 | cmartin | k |
| 10:25.47 | mickeyl | Twiun: i could, but as I've said, I wanted to make that code as non-intrusive as could be. |
| 10:26.14 | mickeyl | everything going farther than that would have to be implemented using a common baseclass for InputMethods |
| 10:26.18 | mickeyl | which is our way to go, but not for 1.2 |
| 10:26.25 | mickeyl | That's a 2.0 issue |
| 10:27.32 | Twiun | mickeyl: oh, right. I'm still thinking in java - this could be done without touching either the app or im code |
| 10:28.00 | Twiun | mickeyl: I keep forgetting the limitations of native code :) |
| 10:28.40 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 10:30.19 | mickeyl | maybe i can do it that way, but then again... i only looked around 30 minutes to the inputmethods, then implemented the free-floating stuff. i don't feel like looking again or even longer :D |
| 10:33.00 | Twiun | mickeyl: cmartin seems so eager... sounds like an ideal candidate |
| 10:33.36 | lpotter | hmm, usb modules aren;t located |
| 10:33.45 | mickeyl | lpotter: yes |
| 10:33.50 | mickeyl | they're not installed by default |
| 10:33.56 | lpotter | why?! |
| 10:33.57 | mickeyl | because of that 5 seconds suspend |
| 10:34.01 | mithro | back |
| 10:34.18 | mithro | mickeyl: more like 30 seconds |
| 10:34.24 | lpotter | personally, I think usb is rather important |
| 10:34.36 | mickeyl | mithro: not on sl5500 - it's 5 seconds there |
| 10:34.45 | mickeyl | lpotter: that's why there in the feed |
| 10:34.47 | mickeyl | :) |
| 10:34.56 | cmartin | Twiun, mickeyl: i'm looking in core/launcher/inputmethods.cpp right now - but like i said once before - i'm not very familiar with c++ |
| 10:34.59 | mickeyl | i find a default quick suspend more important than usb by default |
| 10:34.59 | mithro | mickeyl: your producing an OZ 3.3.5 for the c700? |
| 10:35.11 | mickeyl | mithro: no. treke takes care about that |
| 10:35.24 | mickeyl | i did enough for the project this month |
| 10:36.09 | mickeyl | s/then/than |
| 10:36.46 | cmartin | mickeyl: you weren't very "mickeyl-like" in coding the floating methods - i miss your good comments :) |
| 10:36.53 | Twiun | mickeyl: Aye, get your priorities straight :) |
| 10:37.30 | mickeyl | cmartin: i know, when I add code i follow the style of the already coded stuff. the code didn't have comments before, so I didn't add :D |
| 10:40.15 | lpotter | there's no dhcp? |
| 10:42.22 | mickeyl | no idea |
| 10:42.37 | mickeyl | hell it took me the whole weekend to get that damn kernel booting |
| 10:42.38 | lpotter | cant find it |
| 10:42.42 | mickeyl | don't ask me about the packaging |
| 10:42.57 | lpotter | :) I know. I am mearly pointing out things you may have overlooked |
| 10:43.39 | mickeyl | yeah, but i don't have time nor energy to make that release perfect. besides, it's a waste, because we really should work on OE, not on OZ |
| 10:44.01 | mickeyl | it's a unstable series. |
| 10:44.28 | mickeyl | and btw., dhcp worked here |
| 10:45.38 | mithro | mickeyl: why did the kernel take so long to get to boot? |
| 10:45.46 | mickeyl | what kernel? |
| 10:45.53 | mithro | shouldn't the ones sharp provide just work? |
| 10:46.01 | mithro | OZ? |
| 10:46.07 | mickeyl | ah. |
| 10:46.11 | mithro | or have I totally confused myself :) |
| 10:46.16 | mickeyl | i'll explain |
| 10:46.25 | mickeyl | the sharp kernel does not contain JFFS2 facilities for collie |
| 10:46.36 | mickeyl | since ROM 3.1 came out a lot of people tried to do it |
| 10:46.38 | mickeyl | but all failed |
| 10:46.46 | mickeyl | hence we stayed on 2.4.6 |
| 10:47.04 | mickeyl | but just last week I was pointed to a patch from the russians |
| 10:47.07 | mickeyl | which adds that |
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| 10:47.30 | mickeyl | while I must say kudos to the cacko.biz teeam |
| 10:47.35 | mickeyl | I'm also pretty pissed about that |
| 10:47.40 | mickeyl | because we could have had it since august |
| 10:47.49 | mickeyl | communication in the arm-linux-community sucks |
| 10:47.50 | mickeyl | badly. |
| 10:50.53 | mithro | we need a good universal translator :) |
| 10:51.57 | Twiun | also somewhere to post messages on "Cool new patches!" |
| 10:53.49 | LinuxDoc | nice to know mickeyl |
| 10:58.03 | cmartin | mickeyl: is this the part that hides the input method: |
| 10:58.06 | cmartin | mkeyboard->widget->hide(); |
| 10:58.16 | mickeyl | looks like it |
| 10:58.35 | cmartin | if so then that's the problem - it's only called within the floating section :) |
| 10:59.09 | mickeyl | hmm... i believe i tested that |
| 10:59.30 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.30 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.30 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:00.06 | cmartin | shouldn't the "}" end after cfg.write ? |
| 11:00.07 | mickeyl | hmm... |
| 11:00.57 | cmartin | that's the section after the "else" of "if ( on )" |
| 11:02.13 | mickeyl | hold on, i'M trying something |
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| 11:03.49 | mickeyl | patch commited |
| 11:03.52 | mickeyl | please tet |
| 11:03.53 | mickeyl | test even |
| 11:04.34 | cmartin | mickeyl: so i should update opie (HEAD) cvs and rebuild? |
| 11:06.15 | cmartin | as far as i can see (and i'm no c++ guru) moving the "}" up two lines would do the trick, right? |
| 11:07.18 | mickeyl | nearly |
| 11:07.28 | mickeyl | for the non-floating we don't want to remove the event filter |
| 11:07.44 | mickeyl | so it's more moving the ->hide() call a few lines down |
| 11:07.49 | mickeyl | below the \ |
| 11:07.51 | mickeyl | } |
| 11:08.02 | cmartin | k, swap two lines and move the "}" up two :) |
| 11:08.23 | cmartin | or that |
| 11:09.05 | cmartin | so i'll just make that change here instead of updating cvs again |
| 11:09.14 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 11:09.24 | mickeyl | i don't see the point in not doing cvs update inputmethods.cpp |
| 11:09.26 | mickeyl | but do what you like |
| 11:09.26 | cmartin | just for testing |
| 11:09.45 | cmartin | oh, k never update just one file |
| 11:09.54 | mickeyl | ah |
| 11:09.54 | cmartin | s/updated |
| 11:09.59 | mickeyl | that is fine granular |
| 11:10.12 | cmartin | :) |
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| 11:27.05 | cmartin | mickeyl: i will probably release OpenSIMpad 0.8.2 this week |
| 11:27.11 | mickeyl | fine |
| 11:28.03 | mickeyl | the padded images will be a relief to all 16mb flash SIMpad users :) |
| 11:28.12 | mickeyl | no more needing to upgrade the bootloader |
| 11:28.20 | mickeyl | at least until we have our new one ready< |
| 11:28.21 | cmartin | it shoudln't be a problem that Opie is at 1.0.2 and the taskbar and launcher-settings is at 1.1.0, right? |
| 11:28.28 | cmartin | yes |
| 11:30.21 | mickeyl | no problem there |
| 11:31.19 | cmartin | the 32MB Images are only interresting for those doing NE2K installs - i will include a non-padded image for those SL4/SLC users installing with serload (they will have to manually erase flash, but it is still faster than installing a 32MB image with serload) |
| 11:32.42 | cmartin|lunch | opie HEAD build running in the background :) |
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| 14:43.01 | cmartin | mickeyl: ping |
| 14:48.57 | mickeyl | pong |
| 14:49.48 | cmartin | mickeyl: if we are going to 0.8.2 then we need a new bootlogo :) - which format is the logo? - with which program could I edit it? |
| 14:50.20 | mickeyl | this is rgb raw |
| 14:50.24 | mickeyl | you can't edit it in this format |
| 14:50.28 | mickeyl | i have the gimp source file @ home |
| 14:50.44 | mickeyl | will mail it to you |
| 14:50.49 | cmartin | k |
| 14:50.55 | mickeyl | the you must display that on 800x600@16 framebuffer |
| 14:51.02 | mickeyl | and cat /dev/fb0 rawimage |
| 14:51.08 | mickeyl | and cat /dev/fb0 >rawimage |
| 14:51.15 | mickeyl | then you have to display it on the SIMpad |
| 14:51.29 | mickeyl | and do the cat again, because it's a few bytes smaller |
| 14:51.35 | mickeyl | after that, you can upload to buildroot. |
| 14:52.01 | Twiun | ??? can't you use image magick's convert stuff to do all that? |
| 14:54.13 | mickeyl | probably. /me is not familiar with image magick |
| 14:54.42 | cmartin | i'll take a look into that - you could still send me your source file |
| 14:54.45 | mickeyl | ya |
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| 14:59.34 | Twiun | howdy lsmith |
| 14:59.44 | lsmith | hoi |
| 15:02.39 | cmartin | mickeyl: input-methods work fine now - after I change the logo I will make the images |
| 15:03.24 | mickeyl | k |
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| 15:53.24 | mickeyl | kergoth: ping |
| 15:53.27 | mickeyl | treke: ping |
| 16:00.05 | treke|home | mornin mickey |
| 16:00.30 | mickeyl | hey treke |
| 16:00.35 | mickeyl | guess what |
| 16:00.39 | treke|home | what? |
| 16:00.50 | mickeyl | downgrading to hotplug from OZ 3.2 speeds up suspend |
| 16:00.56 | mickeyl | 1 second |
| 16:00.59 | treke|home | cool. with usb?\ |
| 16:01.00 | mickeyl | even _with_ usbdmonitor |
| 16:01.01 | Twiun | nice! |
| 16:01.03 | mickeyl | yea |
| 16:01.07 | treke|home | shit. back that shit up |
| 16:01.17 | mickeyl | I just wish kergoth wouldn't have upgraded tht |
| 16:01.26 | mickeyl | no idea how to downgrade that |
| 16:01.27 | treke|home | he might have done it for a reason |
| 16:01.32 | mickeyl | mmmh |
| 16:01.59 | Twiun | surely not? |
| 16:02.09 | mickeyl | treke, i uploaded all collie 2.4.18 to buildroot |
| 16:02.17 | treke|home | cool. |
| 16:02.18 | Twiun | maybe debian upgraded their source and we went along with it |
| 16:02.23 | treke|home | that could be |
| 16:02.28 | mickeyl | i'd like to go for a release asap. so please gimme a hint, when you got the c7x0 stuff ready |
| 16:02.40 | mickeyl | then i prepare the release notes etc. |
| 16:03.20 | treke|home | Ok. I'm pulling now. I can have a gcc2 build fairly quickly and will do gcc3 later. |
| 16:03.33 | mickeyl | great. so we will have one initrd for all PXA models and just four different kernels |
| 16:03.40 | treke|home | 2 initrds |
| 16:03.45 | mickeyl | why? |
| 16:03.50 | treke|home | gcc3 and gcc2 :p |
| 16:03.55 | mickeyl | aah right |
| 16:03.56 | mickeyl | :D |
| 16:04.25 | mickeyl | for the release i will come up with a large newsitem explaining various things in Opie, OZ and OE-land then... |
| 16:04.41 | mickeyl | as for now i'm just happy that downgrading hotplug works |
| 16:04.55 | mickeyl | could you check if that also works for PXA models? |
| 16:05.00 | treke|home | you want to try downgrading it in buildroot? |
| 16:05.05 | mickeyl | no i can't |
| 16:05.08 | treke|home | shouldnt be too hard |
| 16:05.24 | mickeyl | if you know how, just do it. kergoth wouldn't mind |
| 16:05.44 | treke|home | yeah. I dodnt imagine hje reallycares what happens with buildroot :p |
| 16:05.48 | mickeyl | exactly |
| 16:05.53 | mickeyl | which is our chance to ruin it |
| 16:05.54 | mickeyl | finally |
| 16:05.54 | mickeyl | :D |
| 16:06.25 | mickeyl | however OE really attracts more people from outside |
| 16:06.29 | mickeyl | seen that vpnc patch? |
| 16:06.56 | mickeyl | gimme MOOOOORRRRREEEEEEEE caffeine |
| 16:07.27 | Twiun | time you came off that stuff |
| 16:07.45 | mickeyl | hehe... well well - i was in project mood last week. after that 3.3.5 release i'm gonna take a few weeks break |
| 16:08.06 | mickeyl | it was just the doc tab which i wanted to eliminate today. |
| 16:08.14 | mickeyl | successfully :D |
| 16:08.46 | Twiun | what's your thesis on? |
| 16:12.38 | W8TVI | mickeyl: did you kill it? |
| 16:13.02 | Twiun | W8TVI: he optionalised it |
| 16:14.15 | treke|home | mickeyl: what are you using to build an image? BRANCH_1_0? |
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| 16:21.52 | mickeyl | treke: yes |
| 16:22.23 | mickeyl | Twiun: my thesis is about middleware and application frameworks for self-organizing ad-hoc networks |
| 16:22.28 | mickeyl | W8TVI: no i made it optional. |
| 16:23.14 | mickeyl | treke: we will have to make a feed with the extra-applications from HEAD later. |
| 16:24.08 | Twiun | mickeyl: I can see the wellenreiter interest ;) |
| 16:24.26 | mickeyl | Twiun: exactly. |
| 16:24.46 | mickeyl | and... if I'm in the mood, then one of these days I'll make run on the SharpROM |
| 16:25.07 | mickeyl | s/make/make it |
| 16:25.21 | mickeyl | i got many requests for that |
| 16:25.38 | Twiun | any of them come attached with a $100 note? |
| 16:25.49 | mickeyl | unfortunately not... |
| 16:25.49 | mickeyl | yet |
| 16:26.02 | Twiun | hopefull still :) |
| 16:26.42 | mickeyl | perhaps. but then again... maybe i sell precompiled Wellenreiter II packages for the SharpROM... since I really don't benefit from doing this work |
| 16:27.13 | Twiun | Yeah, especially if you have such demand |
| 16:27.40 | mickeyl | there were at least 20 requests or so |
| 16:31.58 | Twiun | I'm thinking of reimplementing the parts of fbAWT which aren't mine (regardless of license) of dual-licensing, TT-style |
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| 16:32.20 | Twiun | s/of dual/and dual/ |
| 16:32.42 | W8TVI_ | dang it... my check didn't come |
| 16:32.45 | mickeyl | sounds like a good strategy |
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| 17:18.43 | Twiun | salut sukoshi_ |
| 17:32.13 | sukoshi_ | salut Twiun[away] |
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| 17:37.10 | bipolar | windows update is such horseshit |
| 17:37.18 | chouimat | hi |
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| 18:44.05 | chouimat | treke: http://www.rekallrevealed.org/index.php |
| 18:45.43 | treke | jesus how many websites do they have |
| 18:45.57 | chouimat | treke: cvs with source |
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| 18:48.53 | treke | any qtopia source? |
| 18:49.02 | chouimat | treke: no KDE |
| 18:49.32 | chouimat | treke: but shouldn't be hard to port :) |
| 18:50.22 | chouimat | bipolar: yup especially when you get a virus with it |
| 18:50.37 | bipolar | chouimat: did that ever happen to you? |
| 18:51.11 | chouimat | bipolar: once |
| 18:51.19 | bipolar | chouimat: ouch... |
| 18:51.27 | bipolar | I need apt-get for windows |
| 18:51.47 | bipolar | I wish it was legal to repackage MS Patches... |
| 18:52.43 | chouimat | bipolar: yup and spent 2 days getting this customers back online ... he was pissed off and he wanted to sue M$ for giving such crap |
| 18:56.07 | bipolar | chouimat: I guess he never read the patch EULA. :) |
| 18:56.39 | chouimat | bipolar: the problem is he lost 2 business days ... |
| 18:56.40 | treke | man. fedex tracking is fricken useless |
| 18:56.53 | chouimat | treke: tracking is useless |
| 18:57.00 | bipolar | chouimat: and the eula says: "It's not our fault" |
| 18:57.18 | gb2 | 3:23 Fell off back of Truck |
| 18:57.24 | gb2 | 3:45 Picked up by Hobo |
| 18:57.25 | treke | hehe |
| 18:57.40 | gb2 | 3:46 Burned for heat |
| 18:57.53 | chouimat | bipolar: yup but if I write such thing in my contracts ... I will not have those contracts |
| 18:58.19 | bipolar | chouimat: nod |
| 18:59.24 | chouimat | and the problem is because of M$ and all windows software co by extension why as software developer suffer from it because they all think we are proud of releasing crap |
| 19:01.48 | treke | my magnia was last seen on the 13th :) |
| 19:02.04 | chouimat | magnia? |
| 19:02.48 | W8TVI | treke: what did they send it by? elephant? |
| 19:03.38 | treke | chouimat: fedex ground |
| 19:03.51 | chouimat | treke: what is a magnia? |
| 19:04.19 | treke | little self contained server |
| 19:04.33 | W8TVI | treke: they sent mine by way of ups 2nd day |
| 19:04.54 | W8TVI | paid $30 for shipping, but it was nice to have it that soon |
| 19:07.38 | treke | W8TVI: you know if the modem in it is voice capable? |
| 19:07.54 | W8TVI | dont know... its an LT winmodem |
| 19:08.08 | treke | lame. closed source drivers |
| 19:08.53 | W8TVI | 00:0a.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics LT WinModem (rev 02) |
| 19:09.05 | Twiun | re |
| 19:09.26 | W8TVI | I installed opie-dasher and opie-dasher-english, how to you use it? |
| 19:09.37 | treke | " Please Note: This is not a proper driver! It will NOT work with PPP!" |
| 19:10.04 | W8TVI | ??? |
| 19:10.33 | W8TVI | I use dialup with PPP all the time |
| 19:10.34 | treke | the lt winmodem driver page |
| 19:11.16 | W8TVI | lsmod: ltmodem 354784 0 [ltserial] |
| 19:11.26 | W8TVI | ppp_generic 24076 3 (autoclean) [ppp_deflate bsd_comp ppp_async] |
| 19:11.26 | W8TVI | slhc 6348 0 (autoclean) [ppp_generic] |
| 19:12.39 | W8TVI | I would sugest at least getting rid of the brg0 setup and make it use normal interfaces |
| 19:13.11 | W8TVI | you'll have to go around editing a bunch of files, but its worth it |
| 19:13.31 | treke | I want to get it up with debian :) |
| 19:13.39 | treke | what is the difference? |
| 19:13.40 | W8TVI | good luck |
| 19:13.55 | W8TVI | the bridge isn't stable... |
| 19:14.02 | treke | ah |
| 19:14.40 | W8TVI | it keeps making all the interfaces (other than ppp0) go deaf for about 3 miniuts at a time then they come back like nohthing happend |
| 19:14.47 | W8TVI | on mine anyway |
| 19:15.22 | W8TVI | I dont even use the stupid toshiba "webmin" bastard child |
| 19:15.57 | W8TVI | treke: did you get one with two hdds? |
| 19:16.04 | treke | nope. just one drive |
| 19:16.10 | W8TVI | or have a spare 20gb laptop drive? |
| 19:16.20 | W8TVI | I'm guessing you got the 20gb sg20 |
| 19:16.24 | treke | yeah. |
| 19:16.35 | treke | Just one drive for now, I'll pick up another if the need arises |
| 19:17.04 | W8TVI | if you have a spare, I'd make a backup of the stock sg20 drive so if you mess it up, you can get it back running again :) |
| 19:17.11 | treke | hehe |
| 19:17.15 | W8TVI | so you don't brick it like kergoth |
| 19:17.27 | treke | hehe |
| 19:17.36 | treke | kergoth bricked his? |
| 19:17.44 | treke | W8TVI: any reason I can't just dd it? |
| 19:17.54 | W8TVI | dd? if forget what dd is |
| 19:18.44 | W8TVI | whatever you use, make sure it is laid out just like the toshiba setup... |
| 19:19.13 | treke | W8TVI: it make reads data froma file and outputs where you want it |
| 19:19.42 | W8TVI | you want an exact copy of the orginal drive... |
| 19:19.48 | treke | fun |
| 19:19.52 | treke | it's that picky? |
| 19:20.04 | W8TVI | I think that that might be whats the problem with doing a fresh install |
| 19:20.22 | W8TVI | from what I have read, it SEEMS that way |
| 19:21.07 | treke | fun. |
| 19:21.38 | W8TVI | I dont know much about headless systems, so it might be something else |
| 19:22.09 | W8TVI | I have heard about some one taking the drive out of the sg20 and sticking it in the laptop and upgrading it to RH9 |
| 19:26.14 | W8TVI | treke: I'd atleast make an image of the drive so you can bring it back to useable if you need it |
| 19:26.32 | treke | yeah |
| 19:27.42 | W8TVI | if you make an image of an HDD, it'll re-write it back to the drive bit for bit, right? |
| 19:28.02 | W8TVI | I"ve never tried it so I dont know :) |
| 19:28.26 | treke | yeah |
| 19:28.42 | W8TVI | treke: did you see the partition table a pasted? |
| 19:28.46 | treke | yup |
| 19:28.52 | W8TVI | k |
| 19:29.15 | W8TVI | what I dont understand is this: |
| 19:29.16 | W8TVI | /dev/hda4 2417 2431 120487+ f Win95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 19:29.17 | W8TVI | /dev/hda5 2417 2431 120456 82 Linux swap |
| 19:29.44 | W8TVI | is that just the extended partition? |
| 19:30.08 | Twiun | yeah, looks like just the swap living in there |
| 19:30.40 | W8TVI | I'm use to the dos fdisk's way of showing things |
| 19:31.23 | W8TVI | it has /boot, /, and /home partitions |
| 19:32.26 | Twiun | what you have is some primaries (hda1,2,3) and a logical (hda4) which contains hda5, the swap |
| 19:32.37 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 19:32.39 | Twiun | why it's in that structure I have no idea |
| 19:33.02 | Twiun | usually it's 1 primary, 1 logical 'wrapper' and all other patitions inside the wrapper |
| 19:33.16 | Twiun | or the linux way, everything's a primary ;) |
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| 19:33.26 | W8TVI | lol |
| 19:33.29 | treke | everythings a primary? |
| 19:33.37 | treke | fdisk only lets me make 4 primary partitions :) |
| 19:33.40 | Twiun | treke: well, ok, they don't have the 'primary bit set' |
| 19:33.48 | Twiun | treke: but they're all toplevel |
| 19:35.10 | chouimat | treke: rekall buildsystem is crap |
| 19:35.18 | treke | figures |
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| 19:36.09 | treke | I wonder if I had the magnia delivered to home or work |
| 19:36.56 | chouimat | treke: I'm starting to figure out to build it ... fixed the choking on python stuff |
| 19:37.37 | W8TVI | treke: lol |
| 19:38.33 | icetea | hi, i ´m trying to compile the buildroot, but it fails at qt package |
| 19:40.17 | icetea | libjpeg.h is missing |
| 19:40.49 | Twiun | icetea: make sure you have the libjepg development package for your host |
| 19:40.57 | Twiun | icetea: libjpeg-devel usually |
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| 19:44.42 | icetea | Twiun: why do i need it on the host system? i found libjpeg62 in the packages directory |
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| 19:45.13 | Twiun | icetea: because you need some host tools lice uic and moc built for your system |
| 19:45.22 | Twiun | icetea: and those require that a host Qt be built |
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| 19:45.37 | Twiun | icetea: hence a host set of libjpeg headers/lib |
| 19:45.43 | Twiun | s/lice/like/ |
| 19:46.14 | icetea | ok, i´ll try it |
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| 19:50.28 | cmartin | Twiun: have any idea which ImageMagick options I would have to use to convert a png to a RGB raw image for use as a bootlogo? |
| 19:50.59 | Twiun | cmartin: off the top of my head, there's a raw option |
| 19:51.42 | Twiun | cmartin: but it's been a while |
| 19:51.52 | cmartin | well, a rgb option actually, but when i just use that the bootlogo looks terrible |
| 19:52.07 | Twiun | what encoding did you use? |
| 19:52.19 | Twiun | there are several, try 565 |
| 19:53.14 | cmartin | i thought that dealt only with text |
| 19:53.34 | Twiun | no, there are several rgb encodings as well |
| 19:54.01 | Twiun | the Z framebuffer uses 565, don't know about the simpad though |
| 19:59.23 | W8TVI | anyone know how to get the dasher thing to work on opie? I installed the ipks |
| 19:59.38 | treke|laptop | W8TVI: Dont think it works |
| 19:59.50 | W8TVI | :( |
| 20:02.29 | cmartin | Twiun: shoud i change the resolution also? |
| 20:03.09 | Twiun | cmartin: only if you need to to make it fit |
| 20:03.21 | Twiun | cmartin: on the Zaurus the image also has to be rotated |
| 20:05.29 | cmartin | Twiun: when i convert my image and use it on my simpad it looks like it's 1024x786 instead of 800x600 and it looks like a 4 color graphic - any ideas? |
| 20:07.15 | cmartin | i'm running this: convert -size 800x600 -depth 16 -geometry 800x600 -encoding 565 /home/simpad/bootlogo-0.8.2-test.png rgb:/home/simpad/bootlogo-0.8.2-test.gz |
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| 20:08.47 | bipolar | ok.. my one month experiment to see how well gnome worked is over... thank god. |
| 20:09.15 | lpotter | :) |
| 20:09.20 | lpotter | and.. results? |
| 20:10.43 | bipolar | gnome um... it's not what I'm looking for. |
| 20:10.48 | bipolar | some good apps though. |
| 20:11.03 | treke|laptop | The best I've managed was 4 hours |
| 20:11.05 | bipolar | xchat is still king, as is gaim |
| 20:11.43 | bipolar | gnome has *NO* printing interface. |
| 20:11.45 | bipolar | none. |
| 20:11.47 | bipolar | nada |
| 20:11.50 | Twiun | cmartin: that behaviour is usually the result of bad encoding |
| 20:11.51 | W8TVI | I just use KDE |
| 20:11.55 | bipolar | me too |
| 20:11.57 | bipolar | :) |
| 20:11.59 | treke|laptop | gnome doesnt have an interface for most things |
| 20:12.19 | bipolar | but... printing? god! Everything has to reimpliment it |
| 20:12.25 | cmartin | Twiun: how do i find out the encoding of a device? |
| 20:12.44 | cmartin | Twiun: somewhere in proc? |
| 20:12.44 | treke|laptop | bipolar: There is also no way of changing the system colors short of vi .gtkrc |
| 20:13.12 | bipolar | I wish debian's OpenOffice packges looked more like kde. |
| 20:13.45 | bipolar | evolution is cool, if only for all the plugins and sync options. |
| 20:13.54 | bipolar | not very stable though. |
| 20:14.26 | bipolar | W8TVI: yes... kde's cups integration is awesome |
| 20:14.54 | W8TVI | bipolar: its nice to be able to print from any computer on the network |
| 20:14.59 | W8TVI | windows or linux |
| 20:15.05 | bipolar | nod |
| 20:15.30 | bipolar | oh, and symnaptic is great |
| 20:15.31 | treke|laptop | maybe I should do so when the magnia arrives |
| 20:15.38 | bipolar | but thats just an app |
| 20:15.44 | W8TVI | treke: it works nicely |
| 20:16.38 | W8TVI | all that matters is if the client computer can print to a smb printer and has the right drivers for it |
| 20:17.41 | bipolar | W8TVI: are you using samba 3? |
| 20:17.51 | W8TVI | I'm not sure... |
| 20:18.18 | W8TVI | [root@myserver root]# smbd -V |
| 20:18.19 | W8TVI | Version 2.2.3a |
| 20:18.30 | bipolar | debian stable? |
| 20:18.38 | W8TVI | rh7.3 |
| 20:18.42 | bipolar | oh... |
| 20:18.49 | bipolar | thats an old version. |
| 20:18.56 | W8TVI | but it works |
| 20:19.02 | bipolar | samba 3 rocks. |
| 20:19.19 | W8TVI | does using samba 3 speed of the printing of huge print jobs? |
| 20:19.23 | bipolar | it supports automatic windows driver downloads for printer shares now. |
| 20:19.40 | W8TVI | huge as in 180mb+ |
| 20:19.42 | bipolar | W8TVI: not sure. never had a problem with printing |
| 20:19.49 | Twiun | cmartin: you should be able to find out using the fbset util |
| 20:19.56 | bipolar | never printed anything that huge :) |
| 20:20.01 | Twiun | cmartin: I think it's in the console-util package |
| 20:20.35 | W8TVI | my mom has a desktop pub program that likes to print huge pictures |
| 20:20.58 | W8TVI | it makes 180mb prints jobs all the time |
| 20:20.59 | bipolar | oh shit! Someone has themed oo.o for KDE! Icons and all! |
| 20:23.21 | bipolar | lol |
| 20:23.31 | W8TVI | and then return the favor |
| 20:23.35 | W8TVI | >:-) |
| 20:23.39 | bipolar | rotflmao |
| 20:23.51 | W8TVI | melt their nic |
| 20:25.25 | cmartin | Twiun: can i get the information from the current working bootlogo? |
| 20:25.43 | bipolar | wow... I didn't even know that oo.o could be themed. This is awesome |
| 20:26.01 | W8TVI | bipolar: if you have enough resources, it just dont matter what they send at you |
| 20:26.03 | W8TVI | :) |
| 20:27.10 | cmartin | Twiun: when i run convert -verbose on mine and the current bootlogo i get one difference (0.060u - current, 0.070u - mine) does that say anything? |
| 20:28.49 | Twiun | cmartin: I have no idea what that may mean |
| 20:29.12 | Twiun | cmartin: as for the current bootlogo, possibly you could run file on it, it may tell you the encoding |
| 20:30.25 | Twiun | cmartin: or I think image magick also comes with an identify program - but I'm not sure if that will give anything useful on a raw file |
| 20:36.20 | Twiun | wtf? ipkg still bails out if there's no arch entry in the control file? |
| 20:40.34 | treke|laptop | fiyes |
| 20:41.19 | Twiun | does it at least have an option to ignore that? |
| 20:42.35 | Twiun | doesn't look like it |
| 20:47.32 | Twiun | mickeyl: flashed it |
| 20:47.55 | mickeyl | how'd you like it? |
| 20:48.22 | Twiun | so far so good... but 1.5mb left on root is constraining ;) |
| 20:48.40 | mickeyl | true that... but hey, this is jffs2. remove what you want :D |
| 20:48.42 | Twiun | and the bugs I can see must be opie bugs |
| 20:48.49 | mickeyl | e.g. ? |
| 20:49.08 | Twiun | after rotating, I get a 1 pixel line chunk cut out of the taskbar at the bottom |
| 20:49.14 | Twiun | it's not the whole screen width either |
| 20:49.17 | lpotter | couldn't be. opie has no bugs |
| 20:49.44 | Twiun | mickeyl: mainly visual annoyances, nothing's died yet :) |
| 20:50.10 | mickeyl | good |
| 20:50.29 | mickeyl | for an unstable build, this means we have release quality - right? |
| 20:50.37 | Twiun | woops |
| 20:50.43 | Twiun | button segfaulted on exit |
| 20:50.50 | mickeyl | yeah, known opie bug |
| 20:50.54 | mickeyl | noone cared yet |
| 20:50.56 | Twiun | 'k |
| 20:51.01 | mickeyl | ya' know the story :) |
| 20:51.11 | Twiun | yeah, get to work, slave! |
| 20:51.17 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 20:51.17 | Twiun | seriously though |
| 20:51.45 | Twiun | it looks ok, although I don't use the cradle or wireless |
| 20:51.51 | Twiun | CF and SD seem to work ok |
| 20:51.58 | mickeyl | wireless is ok, i tested that |
| 20:52.05 | Twiun | suspend is cool too |
| 20:52.15 | mickeyl | and usb will function, too - for the release we will downgrade to the old hotplug. |
| 20:52.41 | Twiun | hrmph |
| 20:52.53 | Twiun | although quitting out of opie and opie login |
| 20:53.02 | Twiun | gives me an unusable prompt |
| 20:53.14 | Twiun | keyboard's b0rked |
| 20:53.16 | mickeyl | ya - old qtopia bug which never had been eliminated |
| 20:53.28 | Twiun | it's nice to revisit the old ones ;) |
| 20:53.30 | mickeyl | but then again, that particular one is a non-issue because of my VT work |
| 20:53.43 | mickeyl | as soon as we start Opie on a dedicated VT, it will be ok |
| 20:53.54 | mickeyl | but one step after another :D |
| 20:53.57 | Twiun | great |
| 20:54.04 | Twiun | 'one step at a time' |
| 20:54.13 | mickeyl | ah that correction thing again |
| 20:54.14 | mickeyl | right :) |
| 20:54.27 | Twiun | you have to switch it off ;) |
| 20:54.34 | Twiun | it doesn't have a timer on it |
| 20:54.34 | mickeyl | i'll tell you :) |
| 20:54.53 | Twiun | hmmm, hate the black borders on everything |
| 20:55.20 | mickeyl | black borders? |
| 20:55.21 | Twiun | I know, I know, this customisable... I'm talking of the default |
| 20:55.30 | Twiun | yeah, most controls have a black border |
| 20:55.34 | Twiun | text fields, buttons, etc |
| 20:55.40 | mickeyl | oh 'flat' |
| 20:55.42 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 20:55.46 | mickeyl | but it saves screen estate |
| 20:55.54 | Twiun | not really |
| 20:55.58 | Twiun | it's still wasted |
| 20:56.07 | Twiun | most apps seem to use absolute layouts |
| 20:56.13 | Twiun | or assume things |
| 20:56.17 | mickeyl | I'm having high hopes on the qtopia phone edition |
| 20:56.22 | Twiun | and some controls just don't stay on the screen |
| 20:56.31 | Twiun | mickeyl: in terms of usability |
| 20:56.41 | Twiun | ? |
| 20:56.55 | mickeyl | no - in terms of a more appropriate widget style for small devices |
| 20:57.07 | Twiun | ah, right |
| 20:57.11 | cmartin | mickeyl: any idea how to find out which encoding the simpad fb uses? |
| 20:57.23 | treke|laptop | most of the apps assume you have a 320x240 framebuffer :) |
| 20:57.27 | mickeyl | cmartin: no idea. that's why I did it the hard way :) |
| 20:57.42 | Twiun | treke|laptop: why do the apps look so broken then? |
| 20:57.43 | cmartin | :) |
| 20:58.08 | treke|laptop | The never looked that broken to me |
| 20:58.13 | Twiun | treke|laptop: oh, I know... they assume the size && the theme |
| 21:00.07 | treke|laptop | dunno. |
| 21:01.00 | Twiun | mickeyl: otherwise, yeah, everything runs ok on the 5000d ;) |
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| 21:01.14 | mickeyl | good to hear. |
| 21:01.51 | mickeyl | treke: define system |
| 21:02.24 | treke|laptop | qtopia + third part apps |
| 21:02.34 | mickeyl | ah. full ACK |
| 21:06.13 | treke|laptop | the zaurus 5500 being the only device for so long made things so much worse |
| 21:06.26 | treke|laptop | like the assumption you'd never need to use the input methods |
| 21:06.44 | treke|laptop | or that the visible screenspace would always be extactly x*y pixels |
| 21:06.55 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 21:07.04 | mickeyl | QLayout is rocket science |
| 21:07.22 | treke|laptop | or that you will always have certain buttons available to you |
| 21:09.01 | cmartin | mickeyl: k, i give up - how did you go about converting the bootlogo? |
| 21:09.24 | treke|laptop | the documents system is also a tough thing to fix |
| 21:10.00 | mickeyl | cmartin: configure a framebuffer on your PC for 800x600x16 |
| 21:10.14 | mickeyl | then use fbi or fbset or something like that to display a .png there |
| 21:10.20 | mickeyl | cat /dev/fb0 >imageForSIMpad |
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| 21:10.24 | mickeyl | then copy that over to the simpad |
| 21:10.29 | mickeyl | display it on the SIMpad fb |
| 21:10.35 | mickeyl | and cat /dev/fb0 >realImageForSIMpad |
| 21:10.38 | mickeyl | voila |
| 21:11.09 | treke|laptop | time for a completely pygtk based environment :p |
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| 21:13.49 | cmartin | mickeyl: do you use qvfb for the framebufer on your pc? |
| 21:13.56 | mickeyl | no |
| 21:13.59 | mickeyl | real framebuffer |
| 21:14.38 | cmartin | sorry, for the dumb question, but how? |
| 21:15.32 | mickeyl | uhm... check a framebuffer howto. recompile your kernel to include framebuffer support then configure your bootloader to do vga=800x600x16 |
| 21:16.56 | cmartin | just wanted to verify that - that's what i thought - that's the really hard way -with reboots and the such |
| 21:17.16 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 21:18.05 | cmartin | isn't there a way to use a virtual fb without rebooting? |
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| 21:18.28 | mickeyl | no. there is no such thing as a virtual fb |
| 21:18.32 | mickeyl | qvfb is _not_ a virtual fb |
| 21:18.38 | mickeyl | at least not for all applications |
| 21:19.03 | pb_ | heh. unfortunate name for it, really. |
| 21:19.12 | mickeyl | yeah. |
| 21:19.31 | mickeyl | a transparent virtual fb device for X would be nice however |
| 21:19.56 | treke|laptop | pb_: there much work happening on the gpe front? |
| 21:20.42 | ljp | they just announced gpe phone |
| 21:20.49 | ljp | :) |
| 21:20.58 | pb_ | treke|laptop: not a huge amount. I'm mired in kernel 2.6; not sure what else is going on in gpe land. |
| 21:21.14 | pb_ | florian would probably know more. |
| 21:24.13 | ljp | hmm. my latest c700 image doesn't like cf memory |
| 21:24.20 | ljp | maybe its th efs |
| 21:26.53 | chouimat | ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG |
| 21:27.29 | treke|laptop | ibot, seen kergoth? |
| 21:27.33 | | kergoth is currently on #pet (20h 1m 41s) #uclibc (20h 1m 41s) #zaurus (20h 1m 41s) #elinux (20h 1m 41s) #openembedded (20h 1m 41s) #magnia (20h 1m 41s) #handhelds.org (20h 1m 41s) #openzaurus (20h 1m 41s) #tacobeam (20h 1m 41s) |
| 21:27.44 | mickeyl | #pet ?? |
| 21:28.03 | mickeyl | as in Commodore PET ? |
| 21:28.08 | W8TVI | lol |
| 21:28.11 | chouimat | rekall source code is crap ... can't compile it ... miss some rules, the directories are not build in the right order |
| 21:28.13 | mickeyl | or as in cute animals wasting time and money? |
| 21:28.27 | treke|laptop | good question |
| 21:28.39 | W8TVI | ChanServ- [#pet] This channel is primarily for Texas Instruments people working on the PET project. If you work for TI, please register with NickServ and then /msg TimRiker or another op for access. |
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| 21:29.54 | mickeyl | treke: see http://openzaurus.bkbits.net:8080/buildroot/hist/packages/hotplug/Makefile?nav=index.html|src/.|src/packages|src/packages/hotplug |
| 21:30.15 | mickeyl | we must revert hotplug to the state before 6 months |
| 21:30.18 | mickeyl | i dunno how |
| 21:30.29 | mickeyl | 1.48 |
| 21:30.38 | treke|laptop | mickeyl: I dont think we want to. |
| 21:30.42 | mickeyl | why not? |
| 21:30.46 | treke|laptop | I was thinking about it on the drive to work |
| 21:31.06 | treke|laptop | it was probably the change to make it unload the modules on suspend that we would be reverting |
| 21:31.35 | mickeyl | not only |
| 21:31.37 | mickeyl | what's with |
| 21:31.39 | mickeyl | "6 months kergoth 1.49 Remove deprecated usbd bits from hotplug packaging " |
| 21:31.40 | ljp | I sucessfully reverted hotplug |
| 21:32.18 | treke|laptop | mickeyl: when I tried it it was removing the usbmonitor modules that took 13 seconds |
| 21:32.24 | W8TVI | ibot: seen W8TVI |
| 21:32.24 | | w8tvi is currently on #opie (2m 57s) #zaurus (2m 57s) #openembedded (2m 57s) #magnia (2m 57s) #handhelds.org (2m 57s) #openzaurus (2m 57s) #tacobeam (2m 57s). Has said a total of 116 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 21:32.40 | chouimat | tacobeam? |
| 21:32.47 | mickeyl | treke|home: so you mean the freeze-in-cradle bug? |
| 21:32.51 | treke|laptop | yup |
| 21:32.58 | mickeyl | hmm... wasn that usbd-common scripts |
| 21:33.05 | mickeyl | unrelated to hotplug iirc |
| 21:33.16 | treke|laptop | yes, but it may have been a change in hotplug at the same time |
| 21:33.22 | treke|laptop | wouldhave to look |
| 21:33.24 | mickeyl | where is kergoth if one needs him |
| 21:33.34 | tiptone | Texas :) |
| 21:33.35 | chouimat | mickeyl: in pet |
| 21:33.42 | pb_ | same place he is if one doesn't need him. |
| 21:33.46 | mickeyl | ah right |
| 21:34.13 | chouimat | and since it's monday probably in a meeting |
| 21:34.30 | treke|laptop | ah shit |
| 21:34.36 | pb_ | I guess he's in a saloon, or at a rodeo, or buying a ranch, or drilling for oil. |
| 21:34.41 | chouimat | ~seen chouimat |
| 21:34.42 | | chouimat is currently on #opie (5m 19s) #zaurus (5m 19s) #elinux (5m 19s) #openembedded (5m 19s) #openzaurus (5m 19s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 1s |
| 21:34.42 | pb_ | or some other texan pastime. |
| 21:35.56 | pb_ | is that good? |
| 21:37.12 | treke|laptop | if I don't mind everyones somes '805-555-1212' field being 'phone' then it's fine |
| 21:37.51 | pb_ | excellent. |
| 21:38.01 | pb_ | I'm assuming you're happy with that. |
| 21:38.26 | W8TVI | #tacobeam sounds fun... lets freek them out by all join it at once :) |
| 21:39.00 | treke|laptop | that place is too scary for me |
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| 21:39.15 | W8TVI | lol |
| 21:39.17 | chouimat | wtf is #tacobeam? |
| 21:40.54 | W8TVI | no idea |
| 21:41.21 | treke|laptop | I dont think I really even want to know how kergoth found his way there |
| 21:41.58 | W8TVI | that #magnia is scary too |
| 21:42.07 | W8TVI | ;) |
| 21:42.40 | treke|laptop | peanutbuttlover |
| 21:43.45 | chouimat | damn! this code is so crappy I wonder why they gpled it .... they don't have any pride? |
| 21:43.51 | treke|laptop | fuck |
| 21:43.57 | W8TVI | chouimat: some one beat you too it |
| 21:43.58 | treke|laptop | rekall made /. |
| 21:44.02 | treke|laptop | chouimat: It made /. |
| 21:44.16 | chouimat | treke|laptop: dot.kde.org |
| 21:44.37 | chouimat | it doesn't compile here too much missing pieces |
| 21:47.42 | treke|laptop | interesting to see that shawn is now accepting that they could do it |
| 21:48.24 | chouimat | treke|laptop: look at the code and you will understand |
| 21:48.34 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 21:48.53 | chouimat | i just lost my afternoon trying to make it compile |
| 21:49.57 | Twiun | chouimat: reflection of tkc distributed development model (several coding styles) or just crappy overall? |
| 21:50.43 | chouimat | Twiun: seems that the libs are not build in the right order and some I can't even build because it miss the rules to get it |
| 21:57.35 | ljp | hmm |
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| 21:57.55 | treke|laptop | noda: get your butt to work |
| 21:57.59 | noda | Moo! |
| 21:58.13 | chouimat | ok time to go watch Babylone5 |
| 21:59.59 | mickeyl | hey noda |
| 22:00.03 | mickeyl | we need a new category on oz.org |
| 22:00.06 | noda | Moo moo moo! |
| 22:00.06 | mickeyl | Newsletters |
| 22:00.16 | noda | Newsletters? That's not really a FAQ |
| 22:00.24 | mickeyl | i will post regular newsletters about Opie/OZ/OE development |
| 22:00.27 | mickeyl | they should go into one space |
| 22:00.33 | mickeyl | and be just announced via news |
| 22:00.40 | mickeyl | because otherwise the news would be _large_ |
| 22:00.44 | mickeyl | what do you think? |
| 22:01.56 | treke|laptop | yeah. I rather like this not using the news for anything |
| 22:01.58 | treke|laptop | It fits well |
| 22:03.16 | mickeyl | so ... mr. noda webmaster... please could you add something for generating newsletters to oz.org? |
| 22:03.43 | noda | mickeyl: Newsletters... hrm. |
| 22:04.14 | chouimat | noda: do it and stop complaining |
| 22:04.27 | noda | lol |
| 22:15.24 | ljp | hmm.. mount: /dev/hda1 is not a valid device |
| 22:15.56 | ljp | I cant figure out what I changed to make hda1 invisible |
| 22:16.06 | chouimat | stupid makefile craps .... |
| 22:16.41 | pb_ | ljp: check inside your computer, make sure that your hard disk is still there. |
| 22:18.43 | ljp | this is on a zaurus :) |
| 22:19.16 | ljp | oh, wait. no need to open |
| 22:19.17 | pb_ | ah, heh |
| 22:19.57 | ljp | I am still asleep |
| 22:20.40 | ljp | hda1 is controled by pcmcia, correct? |
| 22:21.09 | pb_ | yah |
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| 22:23.33 | ljp | I need to research ipaq familiar stuff soon. I want to get this ipaq updated |
| 22:24.45 | mickeyl | ? |
| 22:24.49 | mickeyl | no need to look into familiar |
| 22:24.54 | mickeyl | or what ipaq is it? |
| 22:25.15 | ljp | 3630 |
| 22:25.24 | pb_ | old school. |
| 22:25.25 | mickeyl | very well |
| 22:25.30 | ljp | ya, old |
| 22:25.34 | mickeyl | openzaurus/ipaq runs fine on that device |
| 22:25.36 | treke|laptop | so just build oe |
| 22:25.38 | mickeyl | i have it here on a 3650 |
| 22:25.59 | ljp | ahh. cool. just need to figure out have to flash |
| 22:26.07 | ljp | how |
| 22:26.15 | pb_ | if you put the latest bootldr on, you can flash from cf. |
| 22:26.21 | ljp | ooo, nice |
| 22:26.37 | ljp | ok. I need to figure out how to update the bootldr |
| 22:26.41 | ljp | :) |
| 22:26.45 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:27.02 | pb_ | go to serial console, type "load bootldr", send new bootldr.bin.gz. |
| 22:27.06 | ljp | and since it isn't mine, no real biggie of its bricked |
| 22:27.16 | treke|laptop | bah. pb will fix it for free |
| 22:27.21 | ljp | :) |
| 22:27.39 | treke|laptop | or is it Dr. Hicks that unbricks the devices |
| 22:27.39 | pb_ | yup, though you'd have to pay my air-fare to oz. |
| 22:27.59 | chouimat | arrrrgggg I give up this piece of crap doesn't worth the time I spent trying to build |
| 22:28.02 | treke|laptop | just wait for a tornado |
| 22:28.24 | pb_ | few and far between in England. |
| 22:29.02 | treke|laptop | just look for a trailer park |
| 22:29.08 | ljp | hehehee |
| 22:29.25 | ljp | they do seem to be tornado magnets |
| 22:30.24 | pb_ | okay, I'll keep 'em peeled. |
| 22:31.55 | ljp | why put a label on a cf card, if you can't write on it with a pen? |
| 22:32.31 | treke|laptop | try using a magnet |
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| 22:34.33 | pb_ | ljp: you can scratch on it with a sharp point. |
| 22:34.45 | pb_ | just imagine you're in jail and writing on the walls. |
| 22:34.52 | Twiun | ... and make a hole all the way through |
| 22:34.54 | ljp | hmmm |
| 22:35.03 | Twiun | or use a marker pen |
| 22:35.15 | pb_ | or that |
| 22:35.40 | Twiun | blood's good too, but you need a proper quill for that |
| 22:35.42 | ljp | but... I wanna use a pen!... wwwaaaaaaaa |
| 23:06.00 | CIA | repository=03oe user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com |
| 23:06.00 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.308 Add a test result to the arm-linux site configuration for ettercap. |
| 23:10.32 | CIA | repository=03packages user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com |
| 23:12.04 | CIA | repository=03packages user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com |
| 23:12.04 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.317 Add a couple missing dependencies to xdmcp and fixesext (part of the freedesktop.org autotools X packages) |
| 23:12.51 | CIA | repository=03packages user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com |
| 23:12.51 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.318 Prevent the make install step from inadvertantly stripping the ssh binaries with the wrong strip command (install -s) |
| 23:13.46 | CIA | repository=03packages user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com |
| 23:13.46 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.319 Fix the bluez-pan and libnet-0.10.11 builds. |
| 23:13.59 | ljp | weeeeee |
| 23:14.00 | CIA | repository=03packages user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com |
| 23:14.00 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.320 libogg_1.0.0.oe: Install the libogg headers into the correct place in staging. openobex_1.0.0.oe: Install the openobex m4 macros in the stage target. |
| 23:15.13 | CIA | repository=03packages user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com |
| 23:15.14 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.321 Add the configure patch that goes along with the previously committed alsa-oss .oe change. |
| 23:15.39 | CIA | repository=03packages user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com |
| 23:15.40 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.322 Add gettext 0.12.1 (in nonworking, doesn't build yet) |
| 23:17.34 | ljp | at least we know what he's up too |
| 23:17.44 | kergoth | heh, woke up and decided to sync up my tree |
| 23:18.05 | treke|laptop | kergoth: go commit some good deviceism examples |
| 23:18.14 | kergoth | mickeyl|away: the vpnc package is broken, it strips the binary with an x86 strip regardless of the target arch |
| 23:18.30 | kergoth | heh, look at modutils. |
| 23:18.44 | treke|laptop | does it have them? cool |
| 23:18.54 | treke|laptop | we're getting sick of not being able to use oe for images :p |
| 23:19.00 | kergoth | if modules_${MACHINE} exists in the filesidr, it uses it |
| 23:19.02 | kergoth | otherwise itll use a default |
| 23:19.05 | kergoth | same for modules.conf |
| 23:19.06 | treke|laptop | sweet |
| 23:19.32 | kergoth | i'm using oe for images now. takes a little massaging for things like /dev population, since the dev table isnt in yet |
| 23:19.38 | ljp | I dont mind semi maintaining buildroot |
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| 23:20.35 | ljp | hmm.. kergoth's pushing stuff on a Monday (there) |
| 23:20.48 | kergoth | well, its work i did last week, so i doubt itll break :) |
| 23:20.55 | ljp | ahh |
| 23:20.59 | kergoth | just syncing up |
| 23:21.06 | ljp | your safe, anyway, cause its Tuesday here |
| 23:24.06 | CIA | repository=03packages user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com |
| 23:24.06 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.323 BUGFIXES for vpnc: 1) dont strip an ARM binary with an x86 strip if you plan on it actually being useful, 2) dont call make, call oe_runmake. |
| 23:30.02 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sup |
| 23:30.32 | kergoth | heh. sick. not much. been sleeping |
| 23:30.52 | TheMasterMind1 | fun |
| 23:30.55 | TheMasterMind1 | been going to work? |
| 23:31.16 | ljp | its that damn cowboy scotch you been drinking |
| 23:34.56 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
| 23:36.06 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: alias is on |
| 23:36.08 | TheMasterMind1 | tonight at 2 am |
| 23:36.17 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: which channel? |
| 23:36.20 | TheMasterMind1 | oh wait |
| 23:36.21 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 23:36.23 | TheMasterMind1 | next monday |
| 23:36.26 | TheMasterMind1 | not this monday |
| 23:36.26 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit |
| 23:36.43 | TheMasterMind1 | so not fair |
| 23:37.05 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: ABC? |
| 23:38.59 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Alias is on Sundays, on ABC. |
| 23:39.08 | noda | But this Sunday was music awards. |
| 23:39.28 | chouimat | noda: I know ... |
| 23:39.45 | TheMasterMind1 | yea really |
| 23:39.47 | noda | Season 2 comes out on DVD December 2nd. |
| 23:39.47 | TheMasterMind1 | argh |
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