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| 00:07.46 | RPP1 | Does anyone have a copy of util-linux_2.11z.diff.gz in their buildroot/sources directory I could have a copy of please? |
| 00:09.34 | lpotter | ya |
| 00:10.26 | lpotter | email addy? |
| 00:10.56 | RPP1 | webwide@rpsys.net |
| 00:11.09 | RPP1 | thanks |
| 00:11.24 | lpotter | you mean util-linux_2.11z-1.diff? |
| 00:11.38 | RPP1 | yes |
| 00:12.22 | RPP1 | Too many similar names :) |
| 00:17.34 | RPP1 | Thanks - I couldn't find the right file anywhere - that's got it working... |
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| 00:21.32 | mrwoody | interesting ... now i can reflash... but i cannot switch on my zaurus anymore |
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| 02:23.29 | fishhead | okay now I am confused |
| 02:23.33 | fishhead | the webpal |
| 02:23.45 | fishhead | can y ou flash it to linux using a parallel port or not |
| 02:32.31 | lpotter | you have to attach a harddrive, and do some mod to get it to run linux |
| 02:33.34 | fishhead | yeah I know about a hd that's not a problem |
| 02:33.51 | fishhead | the problem is the initial firmware flash |
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| 02:46.25 | Pendalar | lpotter: I just tried that image you mentioned earlier |
| 02:46.36 | Pendalar | opie's slow as hell with 52/12mb |
| 02:46.52 | lpotter | hmm. |
| 02:47.03 | lpotter | seems to work fine for me |
| 02:47.03 | Pendalar | but enabling the big wait icon etc speeds it up a bit |
| 02:47.10 | Pendalar | it is pretty though |
| 02:48.21 | fishhead | pendalar |
| 02:48.25 | fishhead | don't I know you from efnet |
| 02:48.52 | fishhead | #palm |
| 02:48.53 | Pendalar | probably |
| 02:48.56 | Pendalar | yeah |
| 02:49.02 | Pendalar | #palm and/or #linux-help |
| 02:49.10 | treke|home | what image viewer is that? |
| 02:49.30 | Pendalar | image as in ROM image |
| 02:49.39 | treke|home | Pendalar: The memory split should have no effect on speed |
| 02:50.20 | Pendalar | wouldn't 64/0 run faster? |
| 02:50.27 | lpotter | if you are comparing speed with opie and your palmos, you will have to enable fastload of all the app in opie to get a real comparision |
| 02:50.32 | treke|home | Pendalar: no |
| 02:50.47 | Pendalar | weird |
| 02:51.03 | lpotter | no, palos just has everything in memory |
| 02:51.07 | Pendalar | no I'm not comparing to PalmOS (PalmSource technically), fishhead brought that up |
| 02:51.26 | Pendalar | I used to be a Palm zealot and still support the community |
| 02:51.34 | Pendalar | even though I no longer have any devices |
| 02:51.48 | treke|home | amount of memory determines how many apps you can have open at a time |
| 02:52.24 | fishhead | yeah pend I thought I knew you |
| 02:52.27 | fishhead | it's me flyback |
| 02:52.28 | fishhead | :P |
| 02:52.31 | Pendalar | ohhh heh |
| 02:52.33 | Pendalar | =-x |
| 02:52.35 | lpotter | and all that prettiness makes it slower |
| 02:52.41 | fishhead | I istill haven't decided on a new pda |
| 02:52.42 | fishhead | :P |
| 02:53.07 | Pendalar | and yet you are in here? |
| 02:53.07 | lpotter | but it seems fine to me |
| 02:53.17 | lpotter | ya, he trolls here |
| 02:53.30 | treke|home | and occaisionally gets banned |
| 02:53.41 | fishhead | loptter oh fuck off |
| 02:53.44 | Pendalar | flyback are you banned from #palm ? |
| 02:53.50 | fishhead | nope |
| 02:53.53 | Pendalar | I can't keep up with all these ban masks |
| 02:53.54 | fishhead | just not had time to visit |
| 02:54.08 | Pendalar | after you ban a few hundred warez'rs you lose track |
| 02:54.57 | Pendalar | I can't get irrecord to work =-e |
| 02:54.58 | chouimat | give fire to a man and you keep him warm for a day, put a man on fire and you keep him warm for life |
| 02:55.16 | fishhead | hey chouimat |
| 02:55.23 | Pendalar | whoa that's weird.. I ipkg-link'd my SD and CF to opie 1.02 build and now it won't boot |
| 02:55.30 | Pendalar | must have linked in something it's not happy with |
| 02:56.37 | Pendalar | I seem to find bugs, create issues out of 'features' rather quickly |
| 02:56.47 | Pendalar | I've had it going for a full minute and broke it |
| 02:56.47 | lpotter | no wonder you think its slow |
| 02:57.01 | Pendalar | heh |
| 02:57.08 | Pendalar | that was before I ipkg-linked |
| 02:57.13 | Pendalar | so I had a right .. sorta |
| 02:58.11 | lpotter | you ruing it from sd? |
| 02:58.14 | lpotter | running |
| 02:58.32 | Pendalar | no |
| 02:58.35 | fishhead | lpotter btw the only trolling I will do is when I shove my foot up your ass |
| 02:58.39 | chouimat | make -j7 |
| 02:58.57 | Pendalar | it's slow for a few minutes of use, then goes to full (nice) speed |
| 02:59.08 | Pendalar | like it's running a lot of stuff right after opie loads |
| 02:59.26 | lpotter | its slow right after you shove a cf/sd in |
| 02:59.43 | Pendalar | again I didn't put them in on first boot |
| 02:59.48 | Pendalar | but yes I know |
| 03:00.34 | Pendalar | you're just bitter because people always ask you if you are harry's brother ;-) |
| 03:01.17 | lpotter | no. |
| 03:01.41 | Pendalar | was a joke, promise |
| 03:01.48 | lpotter | my nephew does get that though |
| 03:01.58 | Pendalar | why isn't that build hosted at OZ? |
| 03:02.07 | lpotter | wy should it be |
| 03:02.16 | lpotter | I dont control oz and I do control opie.us |
| 03:02.40 | Pendalar | it would make sense for it to be there to if it's an improvement on what they have |
| 03:02.48 | Pendalar | in the collie tree |
| 03:03.08 | Pendalar | most OZ users don't go to an opie or handhelds.org website to look for images is all I'm saying |
| 03:03.34 | Pendalar | nothing to take offensive =-d |
| 03:03.45 | treke|home | Pendalar: it's an unsupported build :p |
| 03:04.12 | lpotter | no offense taken |
| 03:04.24 | Pendalar | the /experimental/ area is largely unsupported |
| 03:04.44 | lpotter | as if there is actual support for any oz prodcuts |
| 03:04.50 | lpotter | products |
| 03:04.56 | Pendalar | oh come now, we love kergoth |
| 03:04.58 | treke|home | experimental/official/ipaq is supported :) |
| 03:05.14 | lpotter | supported how? |
| 03:05.25 | fishhead | pend keep your multiple personalities and your sexual perversions to yourself |
| 03:05.36 | Pendalar | eh... |
| 03:05.44 | Pendalar | no wonder you get banned a lot here |
| 03:05.44 | treke|home | lpotter: All of the users have free phone support :) |
| 03:05.47 | fishhead | <Pendalar> oh come now, we love kergoth |
| 03:05.55 | fishhead | nevermind, too dense to get the joke |
| 03:06.08 | lpotter | treke: riiiiiiight |
| 03:06.11 | treke|home | Not too dense, it just wasnt funny |
| 03:06.18 | Pendalar | you like being in a channel I don't have ops in |
| 03:06.20 | fishhead | bah |
| 03:06.29 | Pendalar | but that's ok, you know where to get as many kickbans as you want |
| 03:06.32 | treke|home | lpotter: Actually, there is only one user and he does have my cell phone number :) |
| 03:06.32 | fishhead | Pend dude you never banned me from $palm |
| 03:06.38 | lpotter | haha |
| 03:06.45 | Pendalar | no but I have a good memory |
| 03:06.48 | fishhead | so why are you acting like you ever did |
| 03:07.03 | Pendalar | was a joke about foreshadowing.. anyways.. |
| 03:07.54 | Pendalar | no one uses lirc much? |
| 03:15.15 | lpotter | nope |
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| 06:32.14 | ljp_z | bleh |
| 06:32.55 | ljp_z | konqe is taking the first font it finds |
| 06:37.03 | ljp_z | which is qpe-babel and unreadable |
| 06:46.08 | W8TVI | dang it... why cant there be anything in the help wanted ads that I"d have a chance of getting?! |
| 06:50.44 | ljp_z | you a graphic desiger? |
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| 06:51.08 | ljp_z | copycat |
| 06:51.14 | W8TVI|z | hey ljp |
| 06:51.35 | ljp_z | whaazzup |
| 06:51.49 | W8TVI|z | are you irc'ing from the can too? =) |
| 06:51.52 | W8TVI|z | lol |
| 06:52.07 | W8TVI|z | anyway |
| 06:52.46 | ljp_z | eewwwww..no |
| 06:52.53 | ljp_z | couch |
| 06:52.54 | W8TVI|z | I think there is ether a bug in opie-addressbook, or in the palmos 3.5 and under... |
| 06:53.12 | ljp_z | its palmos |
| 06:53.28 | ljp_z | no bugs in opie software |
| 06:54.05 | W8TVI|z | I have beamed my v-card from my zaurus, and it makes the palm crash |
| 06:54.28 | W8TVI|z | it did it to a palm v and a handspring visor |
| 06:54.53 | W8TVI|z | I think they were both running pos 3.5 |
| 06:55.01 | W8TVI|z | or so... |
| 06:55.04 | ljp_z | hmm ya |
| 06:55.28 | ljp_z | actually. that bug is or was in libobex |
| 06:55.37 | W8TVI|z | but when I send it to my sony sj-20 (running pos 4.1) its fine |
| 06:55.57 | ljp_z | maybe they fixed it enough to fix opie |
| 06:56.40 | ljp_z | palm crashes because of linux directory filename seperators |
| 06:57.10 | ljp_z | obex sends the whole filepath |
| 06:57.10 | W8TVI | k.. |
| 06:57.15 | ljp_z | or did |
| 06:57.23 | W8TVI | but why doesn't it crash my sj-20? |
| 06:57.27 | W8TVI | it still does |
| 06:57.55 | ljp_z | well opie might not have updated either. |
| 06:58.17 | ljp_z | i dont have a palmos to test it |
| 06:58.22 | W8TVI | I THINK that my libobex is the updated one... |
| 06:58.31 | W8TVI | its the one with opie 1.0.2 |
| 06:58.35 | ljp_z | i though I fixed it |
| 06:59.00 | ljp_z | hmmmmm |
| 06:59.05 | W8TVI | I'd be happy to help by testing it |
| 06:59.25 | ljp_z | maybe someone at work has a palmos device |
| 06:59.48 | W8TVI | libopieobex0? |
| 06:59.58 | ljp_z | dunno |
| 07:00.05 | W8TVI | d'oh! |
| 07:00.16 | W8TVI | it didn't upgrage it! |
| 07:00.32 | ljp_z | I was told it was fixed in obex |
| 07:01.02 | W8TVI | ljp_z, it might be... |
| 07:01.12 | W8TVI | I'm going to try to upgrade it again |
| 07:01.27 | ljp_z | k |
| 07:03.36 | W8TVI | ok, I removed the old one and installed the new one |
| 07:03.52 | W8TVI | now wait for it to reboot and see what it does |
| 07:04.21 | W8TVI | some one needs to fix the ipkg upgrade setup |
| 07:04.28 | ljp_z | the only bad thing about this c700, is it is hard to see the screen outside |
| 07:04.44 | W8TVI | thats the nice thing about the 5x00 |
| 07:05.51 | W8TVI | my palm pda still showed the full path of the file in the recive |
| 07:06.37 | ljp_z | did it crash |
| 07:06.38 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 07:06.39 | W8TVI | no |
| 07:06.44 | W8TVI | my never does |
| 07:07.02 | W8TVI | ok, aqpkg still says I'm running the old version! |
| 07:07.09 | W8TVI | what is going on here? |
| 07:07.32 | ljp_z | dunno |
| 07:08.36 | W8TVI | ok, my 5000D has the 1.0.2 version installed on it... and it shows the full path too |
| 07:09.17 | ljp_z | but the palm doesnt crash? |
| 07:10.05 | W8TVI | like I said, its running palm os 4.1 and it hasn' crashed on me from that |
| 07:10.27 | W8TVI | its just when I send it to an old palm that it does |
| 07:11.33 | ljp_z | ahh |
| 07:11.37 | W8TVI | where does it come up with the name when it is "discovered" over IR? |
| 07:11.58 | ljp_z | it gets sent |
| 07:12.09 | ljp_z | from the sending device |
| 07:12.40 | W8TVI | I can send it to my sj-20 (palm os 4.1) then on to the old palm os pda, but not from my zaurus |
| 07:13.09 | W8TVI | I know thats where its from, but what on the zaurus side makes it say "Linux"? |
| 07:13.16 | W8TVI | I want to change it |
| 07:13.17 | W8TVI | :) |
| 07:13.41 | ljp_z | dunno where that part is |
| 07:15.24 | W8TVI | if you can get it not to send the path name, I'd bet it'll fix it |
| 07:18.58 | ljp_z | ooo kdevelop beta.. finally |
| 07:19.28 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 07:19.40 | W8TVI | what dev is the irport? |
| 07:22.35 | ljp_z | think its ircomm0 |
| 07:23.15 | W8TVI | cat ircomm wont give me anything will it? |
| 07:24.21 | ljp_z | dunnnnno |
| 07:26.51 | W8TVI | now if someone would build the modfile plugin and make an ipk.... |
| 07:27.18 | ljp_z | its there |
| 07:32.58 | ljp_z | konqe crashes on flash |
| 07:33.29 | ljp_z | weelp ... battery is low.. |
| 07:33.52 | W8TVI | what is the mod plugin called? |
| 07:34.03 | W8TVI | I dont see it in the opie 1.0.2 feed |
| 07:35.32 | lpotter | http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/initrds/OZ-Opie-1.02/ipks/opie-modplugin_2.0.2_arm.ipk |
| 07:35.53 | W8TVI | ok |
| 07:36.01 | lpotter | wow. that battery lasted an hour on wifi |
| 07:36.12 | W8TVI | lol |
| 07:36.22 | W8TVI | I can get 2 hours on my 5500 |
| 07:36.56 | lpotter | riiight |
| 07:37.30 | W8TVI | I can |
| 07:37.39 | W8TVI | no lie |
| 07:37.52 | lpotter | prove it |
| 07:38.01 | W8TVI | sharp rom |
| 07:43.23 | W8TVI | lpotter, tnx |
| 07:44.26 | W8TVI | no I'll be able to play mod files |
| 07:44.29 | lpotter | work? |
| 07:44.38 | W8TVI | havent tryed it |
| 07:44.52 | W8TVI | installing mediaplayer now |
| 07:45.44 | lpotter | ahh |
| 07:54.47 | W8TVI | lpotter, do I want opie-mediaplayer or opie-mediaplayer2? |
| 07:54.53 | lpotter | made that url easier |
| 07:54.57 | lpotter | http://www.opie.us/feeds/sl5x00/ |
| 07:55.14 | lpotter | mediaplayer2 uses xine, whihc didnt build. you want mediaplayer |
| 07:55.20 | W8TVI | k |
| 07:55.49 | W8TVI | what is the differince? |
| 07:58.15 | lpotter | op2 uses xine as the backend. op1 uses the plugins |
| 07:58.21 | W8TVI | oh |
| 07:58.25 | lpotter | and takes less memory |
| 07:58.30 | W8TVI | :) |
| 07:59.41 | lpotter | hmmm.. is yours waking for alarms? |
| 07:59.53 | W8TVI | yes |
| 08:00.21 | W8TVI | I had to go back and manualy upgrade opie-alarm |
| 08:01.18 | lpotter | ahh |
| 08:01.22 | lpotter | hmm |
| 08:01.48 | lpotter | hmm, that feed doesnt have atd |
| 08:02.07 | W8TVI | I'm downloading an ".it" mod of the mortal kombat theam and the zip of the file is over 800k |
| 08:03.58 | lpotter | hmm |
| 08:04.11 | W8TVI | and the site is very slow... |
| 08:04.32 | W8TVI | 1k to 2k a sec... |
| 08:04.42 | W8TVI | thats slow even for my dialup |
| 08:04.54 | W8TVI | I get 4 to 5 a sec normaly |
| 08:06.08 | W8TVI | I think my 1200bps packet TNC is faster than this... lol |
| 08:06.47 | W8TVI | remember when 2400bps was fast? |
| 08:07.15 | W8TVI | it would take an hour to download a MB |
| 08:09.51 | lpotter | no |
| 08:10.02 | lpotter | I'm only 12 |
| 08:10.30 | W8TVI | heh |
| 08:12.56 | W8TVI | hmm |
| 08:13.08 | W8TVI | it crashed |
| 08:13.37 | W8TVI | sigbus |
| 08:13.58 | W8TVI | see if it can play video |
| 08:14.53 | W8TVI | yeah it can |
| 08:15.07 | lpotter | that modplugin is a bit unmaintained |
| 08:15.27 | W8TVI | :( |
| 08:23.17 | W8TVI | what other options do I have for playing a mod file? |
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| 08:24.46 | lpotter | dunno. might try zsi |
| 08:25.41 | W8TVI|z | k |
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| 09:08.18 | newbie3742 | I am a newbie to the whole Zaurus scene; but I really want to help with the development of OpenZaurus and similar projects, is there anything that a novice programmer like myself, can do to help? I really only know minimal programming (I am really good with Visual Basic {bleh} and took only a class on C++). |
| 09:09.45 | lpotter | opie.handhelds.org |
| 09:09.57 | lpotter | there a lot of dev docs and such |
| 09:11.23 | newbie3742 | Most of it is over my head. :( |
| 09:12.01 | newbie3742 | And I really don't know where to begin. |
| 09:12.07 | lpotter | ahh.. ok. |
| 09:13.57 | lpotter | can start by grabbing qt embedded 2.3.7 from ftp.trolltech.com and looking at the tutorials, examples, and docs |
| 09:14.19 | lpotter | then, you can move on to qtopia/opie programming |
| 09:15.54 | newbie3742 | Hmm, okie, thanks. I'll start on that. |
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| 09:39.28 | lpotter | hmmm |
| 09:44.01 | lpotter | weeeeee |
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| 10:24.18 | RPP1 | Is there information anywhere on how to alter keymappings? |
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| 12:46.46 | Titeuf | hi |
| 12:47.09 | yeiazel | hi Titeuf |
| 12:47.14 | Titeuf | can anyone help me ? I wana compile my own toolchain usign gcc-cross |
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| 12:47.28 | yeiazel | dunno, sorry |
| 12:47.45 | Titeuf | but it seems that libtool need a toolchain to compile... |
| 12:48.10 | Titeuf | and I think that gcc needs libtool :/ |
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| 16:41.35 | mickeyl | ~lart Lineo |
| 16:41.41 | mickeyl | ~kill Lineo |
| 16:41.44 | | ACTION slits Lineo's throat |
| 16:41.50 | mickeyl | ibot thanks |
| 16:41.50 | | bitte, mickeyl |
| 16:47.00 | pb_ | hah |
| 16:48.09 | mmelbert | at least thost Solaris 7 cd are good for something |
| 16:50.19 | mmelbert | I still have 4 of them |
| 16:54.12 | mickeyl | throw them all to developers who require a certain module loading order or their crap OOPSes |
| 17:00.38 | mmelbert | huh? |
| 17:01.26 | mickeyl | yeah, that's what I thought, too. |
| 17:05.27 | Titeuf | i can't compile gcc-cross, can someone help ? |
| 17:08.09 | Titeuf | thanks :/ |
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| 18:13.04 | mrwoody | my Z looks dead (the only thing that it reacts to is when i try to reflash it)... does anyone know any kind of solution to give it life again? |
| 18:18.54 | mickeyl | remove the battery for12 hours |
| 18:19.00 | mickeyl | stick it in and load it for 12 hours |
| 18:19.06 | mickeyl | flash new and turn it on |
| 18:33.24 | mrwoody | mickeyl: okie... thanks for the advice ... i will try that |
| 18:33.39 | mrwoody | so i guess i am not the first one to have that problem |
| 18:33.50 | mickeyl | it happened before |
| 18:33.54 | mickeyl | not to me though :) |
| 18:34.11 | mrwoody | any reason why it can happen? |
| 18:35.47 | mickeyl | e.g. when you left the Z turned off for a while the battery gets pretty empty and needs a while to recover |
| 18:36.08 | mickeyl | flashing needs less power because the screen doesn't turn on |
| 18:36.37 | mickeyl | there are a couple of other szenarios |
| 18:36.48 | mickeyl | which i can't remember :) |
| 18:36.49 | mrwoody | i see.... but why wouldn't it work once recharged? |
| 18:37.02 | mickeyl | possibly not recharged long enough |
| 18:37.08 | mrwoody | basically before it happened it was in the diag. menu |
| 18:37.13 | mickeyl | oh oh |
| 18:37.19 | mrwoody | TheMasterMind1 told me how to exit fro there |
| 18:37.20 | mickeyl | anything can happen if you fiddle with the diagnostics |
| 18:37.34 | mrwoody | i didn't get there on purpouse... |
| 18:37.50 | mrwoody | and i don't thin that i did much in there |
| 18:38.03 | mrwoody | anything can happend also within the irreversible? |
| 18:38.14 | mickeyl | i think so yes |
| 18:38.19 | mickeyl | e.g. there's an "AGING" menu point |
| 18:38.25 | mrwoody | wow... that is scaring |
| 18:38.26 | mickeyl | which I wouldn't choose if i were you |
| 18:38.31 | mrwoody | aging? |
| 18:38.36 | mrwoody | i don't think i choose that |
| 18:39.38 | mrwoody | how did i get there in the first place? |
| 18:41.08 | mickeyl | holding a key combo while resetting |
| 18:41.31 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl: whats it do? |
| 18:41.37 | TheMasterMind1 | the "aging" |
| 18:41.40 | mickeyl | no idea |
| 18:41.50 | mickeyl | but i heard of people sending their Z in after choosing that :D |
| 18:41.53 | mickeyl | or rather :( |
| 18:47.17 | treke|home | aging sounded like a flash tet to me |
| 18:47.34 | treke|home | test |
| 18:48.00 | mrwoody | whatever i did, do you still think that i should try keeping the zaurus without battery for a while? |
| 18:48.33 | mickeyl | yes. as I've said, it never happened to me, but i heard more than just one story where that helped. |
| 18:51.17 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl: i hear you're working on getting .18 working with OZ |
| 18:51.26 | mickeyl | is that what they say? |
| 18:51.44 | mickeyl | yeha, i'm working on that. |
| 18:51.59 | chouimat | hey TheMasterMind1 |
| 18:52.47 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: my idea is getting oz 3.3.5 out - with opie 1.0.2 and based on kernel 2.4.18 as the final release based on the old buildroot.... |
| 18:52.55 | mickeyl | (kind of a christmas present) |
| 18:53.27 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl: that'd be awesome |
| 18:54.32 | mrwoody | mickeyl: okie thanks |
| 18:54.43 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: stop talking to him and you will have it faster |
| 18:54.56 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 18:55.05 | mickeyl | no no, don't pester me... |
| 18:55.12 | chouimat | mickeyl: ETA? |
| 18:55.14 | mickeyl | you've waited so long for 2.4.18 on OZ, you can wait a few more days |
| 18:55.21 | mickeyl | chouimat: december. |
| 18:55.29 | mickeyl | definitly. |
| 18:55.49 | chouimat | can we negociation for november 19th? |
| 18:55.57 | mickeyl | hah |
| 18:56.01 | mickeyl | your birthday? |
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| 18:56.14 | mickeyl | wb XavierXeon |
| 18:56.28 | XavierXeon | hi |
| 18:56.38 | chouimat | mickeyl: nope I'm going in Quebec City the 20th so it will be nice to show something to a prospect customer |
| 18:57.23 | mickeyl | chouimat: 5500? |
| 18:57.50 | mickeyl | (SL-) |
| 18:58.23 | chouimat | 5000d |
| 19:03.48 | mickeyl | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.11534.png |
| 19:06.01 | chouimat | cool |
| 19:06.41 | mickeyl | :) |
| 19:09.50 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 19:11.55 | treke|home | mornin mickey |
| 19:12.18 | chouimat | hi treke|home |
| 19:12.40 | treke|home | hehe |
| 19:13.03 | mickeyl | hi treke|home |
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| 19:25.41 | W8TVI | hey ljp |
| 19:25.53 | treke|laptop | mickeyl: I'd be happy if we just new what needed to be done to get a working image from oe. |
| 19:27.37 | mickeyl | treke: me too. i have no idea |
| 19:28.08 | mickeyl | treke: thing is, if we can pester kergoth to add just one kernel and the framework for the device specifics, we can join and do the rest. but before... |
| 19:28.17 | treke|laptop | I know how to do a kernel |
| 19:28.28 | treke|laptop | it's the device specifics that I dont knw |
| 19:28.44 | W8TVI | well I can finaly play mods on my zaurus... had to go to XMMS-E |
| 19:28.58 | treke|laptop | kernel's arent all that different than an autoconf package |
| 19:29.09 | W8TVI | treke|laptop: did your sg20 get there yet? |
| 19:29.17 | treke|laptop | no. |
| 19:29.20 | W8TVI | :( |
| 19:31.51 | treke|laptop | basically just need to inherit kernel and do_configure_prepend a command to install your .config |
| 19:32.15 | mickeyl | treke: btw., did we find a solution for the long suspend-timeout in 2.4.18-embedix yet? I know I can just delete the usbd modules, then it is quick, however, is there a way to get usb _and_ quick suspending? |
| 19:32.24 | treke|laptop | no |
| 19:32.29 | mickeyl | shit. |
| 19:32.30 | treke|laptop | not without fixing apm |
| 19:32.33 | mickeyl | grrr |
| 19:32.35 | treke|laptop | and usb |
| 19:32.40 | mickeyl | same problem is in 2.4.18 for collie |
| 19:33.27 | treke|laptop | fix usb so that you don't need to unload it on suspend and then it will be quicker |
| 19:33.51 | mickeyl | well... i'd rather wait for kergoth to include the usb-gadget-stack |
| 19:34.03 | mickeyl | i won't fiddle with lineo's stuff |
| 19:34.08 | treke|laptop | that's probably a long wait |
| 19:34.20 | treke|laptop | since there is no strong arm support |
| 19:35.05 | mickeyl | hmm.... then again, collie support is not that important for me any longer... i sold mine. |
| 19:35.41 | mickeyl | just administering the two in my office owned by university... |
| 19:35.44 | mickeyl | btw., tried a buildroot build with 2.95.3 lately? |
| 19:35.53 | mickeyl | (and a recent opie cvs) |
| 19:36.03 | treke|laptop | yes. |
| 19:36.09 | treke|laptop | from what I've heard it didnt work |
| 19:36.22 | mickeyl | well... the -x c++ is totally crap |
| 19:36.29 | treke|laptop | ? |
| 19:36.34 | mickeyl | ljp added that to CFLAGS |
| 19:36.37 | mickeyl | and CXXFLAGS |
| 19:36.41 | treke|laptop | ah |
| 19:36.43 | mickeyl | thus overriding the compiler's automatic detection |
| 19:36.53 | mickeyl | which really is ... uhm... suboptimal |
| 19:37.19 | mickeyl | for 2.95.3 it only triggers an internal compiler error during opie compilation |
| 19:37.23 | mickeyl | no idea what it does for 3.x |
| 19:37.33 | treke|laptop | did you back the change out of cvs? |
| 19:37.39 | W8TVI | The word for the day is "suboptimal" |
| 19:38.00 | mickeyl | no i didn't. that's his duty. |
| 19:38.27 | mickeyl | I'm pretty pissed about that one. if i can't rely on people doing regression tests, i may as well fork the damn project |
| 19:38.40 | mickeyl | if its pointless! |
| 19:38.59 | treke|laptop | mickeyl: I've gotten the impression he doesnt give a shit since it works for him. |
| 19:39.13 | treke|laptop | So if you dont do it, no one will. I don't know what needs fixing |
| 19:39.45 | mickeyl | well i don't want to get into a ping-pong game here with cvs... |
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| 19:40.46 | treke|laptop | mornin gb2 |
| 19:40.58 | chouimat | mickeyl: treke|laptop hmmm? |
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| 19:48.43 | Twiun | good evening |
| 19:49.04 | treke|laptop | mornin Twiun |
| 19:49.31 | Twiun | mickeyl: can't wait for bk, eh? |
| 19:50.08 | mickeyl | definitly, Twiun |
| 19:50.10 | mickeyl | really really |
| 19:50.43 | treke|laptop | mickeyl: you can put the opie .oeclasses in a different repository that only kergoth can write to :p |
| 19:50.56 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 19:50.57 | mickeyl | what a relief :) |
| 20:13.59 | chouimat | hmmm me should stop listening to shoutcast streams ... now 20 albums to buy :( |
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| 20:47.36 | lpotter | heh. funny. |
| 20:53.39 | W8TVI | microsoft: all your rights are belong to us! |
| 20:53.49 | W8TVI | lpotter: hey |
| 20:58.43 | Pendalar | lpotter: that image you posted yesterday, dunno which part is at fault but aqpkg is more flaky than usual =-x |
| 20:59.33 | Pendalar | that or I have some ipkg's that aren't flexible |
| 21:10.28 | ljp | hmm. is working ok for me. |
| 21:13.09 | treke|laptop | hmmm. that was a major goof |
| 21:16.50 | ljp | ? |
| 21:16.57 | ljp | what was |
| 21:18.02 | W8TVI | ljp: I found something to play my mod files |
| 21:18.12 | W8TVI | xmms-e |
| 21:22.42 | ljp | hmmm |
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| 21:26.12 | treke|laptop | so, erm what the fuck is tonleiter? |
| 21:29.41 | ljp | heh.. look it up, man |
| 21:29.48 | treke|laptop | "scales" |
| 21:29.58 | ljp | tr'd as 'scale'. its for musical instruments |
| 21:30.11 | treke|laptop | gee. sounds useful |
| 21:30.22 | ljp | people still ask wtf wellenreiter is |
| 21:31.06 | W8TVI | ljp: it works great |
| 21:31.07 | ljp | whats the use of having desktop files that are tr'able if no one uses it |
| 21:31.23 | treke|laptop | because wellenwriter is the translated name? |
| 21:31.30 | ljp | heh NOT |
| 21:31.37 | W8TVI | wave rider? |
| 21:31.41 | ljp | 'wave rider' is tr |
| 21:31.54 | treke|laptop | so why translate that? |
| 21:32.02 | treke|laptop | wellenreiter sounds better |
| 21:32.32 | ljp | ok, then maybe 'wellenreiter sniffer' would be more descriptive |
| 21:33.03 | W8TVI | wellenreiter II works for me :) |
| 21:33.09 | ljp | the idea of tr is to have native language names |
| 21:33.23 | ljp | thats because you know what is it |
| 21:33.47 | treke|laptop | names are ways of differentiating things. They don't need to tell you what it is |
| 21:33.58 | ljp | yesit does |
| 21:34.08 | ljp | 'what is tonleiter' |
| 21:34.08 | treke|laptop | "I use Wave Rider on my ipaq" "Oh try using wellenreiter, it's great" |
| 21:34.13 | treke|laptop | beats me |
| 21:34.20 | treke|laptop | what is vi? |
| 21:34.29 | ljp | abomination |
| 21:34.30 | W8TVI | 6? |
| 21:34.31 | ljp | :) |
| 21:34.31 | treke|laptop | or emacs. Or pretty much any app I use |
| 21:34.44 | ljp | look at the other apps in opie |
| 21:34.46 | W8TVI | treke|laptop: 6? |
| 21:34.48 | ljp | consistency |
| 21:35.08 | ljp | 'text editor' is fairly descriptive |
| 21:35.55 | ljp | again, the idea of tr'able names is to have native language names |
| 21:37.56 | ljp | ya, who cares about consistency, anyway |
| 21:38.09 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 21:38.25 | W8TVI | text editor is generic |
| 21:38.42 | W8TVI | wellenreiter isn't |
| 21:38.45 | treke|laptop | ljp: I've not ever found anyone who does |
| 21:38.58 | ljp | ya, but to some chinese 'text editor' means nothing |
| 21:39.09 | ljp | hence TRANSLATION |
| 21:40.08 | ljp | I still hear 'what is wellenreiter' |
| 21:40.14 | chouimat | who care about chinese |
| 21:40.28 | ljp | it was an example |
| 21:40.32 | treke|laptop | so people have to look up what wellenreiter does |
| 21:40.43 | treke|laptop | not the end of the world, you have to do that with just about ever app out there |
| 21:40.53 | treke|laptop | what does "power point" do? |
| 21:40.57 | treke|laptop | and that's in english |
| 21:41.01 | ljp | why should they have to do that, when I good, descritpive name |
| 21:41.11 | ljp | a good |
| 21:43.02 | treke|laptop | feel free |
| 21:44.46 | ljp | *sigh* |
| 21:45.29 | ljp | I guess it doesnt matter if it's easier for users to use that way, who cares about users ease of use |
| 21:45.55 | treke|laptop | experience has shown users dont really care |
| 21:45.59 | mickeyl | ok, my 2 cents to naming: |
| 21:46.05 | mickeyl | actually i don't care about a descriptive name. Writing a program is a creative act - as is naming it. Besides that, Wellenreiter is a german play of words, because it means both surfers (as in sports) and also 'riding' on (radio) waves, which is exactly what it does. |
| 21:46.20 | treke|laptop | people go "what is the wavelan sniffer" "it's wellenreiter" "oh ok" |
| 21:46.27 | treke|laptop | then people remember it |
| 21:46.41 | ljp | that would happen now, yes, if it were renamed |
| 21:46.57 | W8TVI | wellenreiter is like kismet |
| 21:47.02 | W8TVI | the name |
| 21:47.07 | mickeyl | exactly |
| 21:47.07 | ljp | but adding 'sniffer' would make it instantly knowable what it is |
| 21:47.29 | ljp | heh |
| 21:47.38 | W8TVI | Twiun: yeah |
| 21:47.39 | mickeyl | haha, yeah |
| 21:48.07 | Twiun | Aaaaargh! |
| 21:48.48 | Twiun | mickeyl: monitoring the wireless chatter in #openzaurus? |
| 21:49.01 | mickeyl | not really |
| 21:49.03 | ljp | it is not consistant to have non native language names |
| 21:49.37 | treke|laptop | the more non native language names you addd, the more consistant it beomes |
| 21:49.44 | ljp | true |
| 21:50.18 | ljp | but you make it more difficult for people not familiar with it to know what it actually does |
| 21:50.48 | mickeyl | hell no |
| 21:50.49 | W8TVI | what do you call kismet in german? |
| 21:50.50 | mickeyl | read the descriptions |
| 21:50.52 | mickeyl | Files: bin/wellenreiter pics/wellenreiter apps/Applications/wellenreiter.desktop |
| 21:50.54 | mickeyl | Priority: optional |
| 21:50.54 | W8TVI | french? |
| 21:50.56 | mickeyl | Section: opie/applications |
| 21:50.58 | mickeyl | Maintainer: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickeyl@handhelds.org> |
| 21:51.00 | mickeyl | Architecture: arm |
| 21:51.02 | mickeyl | Version: 1.0.1-$SUB_VERSION |
| 21:51.04 | mickeyl | Depends: libqpe1, libpcap0 (0.7.2), libopiecore2 (1.8.1), libopienet2 (1.8.1), libopieui2 (1.8.1) |
| 21:51.06 | mickeyl | Description: A WaveLAN Network Monitor |
| 21:51.08 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.10 | mickeyl | so what? |
| 21:51.12 | mickeyl | it's written in the description |
| 21:51.29 | mickeyl | W8TVI: kismet is just... kismet. kismet in german actually is slang for "crap, trash, rubbish" |
| 21:51.31 | W8TVI | mickeyl: I like the way it is now... |
| 21:51.40 | W8TVI | lol |
| 21:52.08 | W8TVI | so why should wellenreiter be named called anything else |
| 21:52.15 | ljp | well, the other languages for wellenreiter are tranlsated as 'wave rider' |
| 21:52.37 | ljp | why not english |
| 21:52.40 | mickeyl | dunno who did that |
| 21:52.49 | mickeyl | would be surprised if it was me |
| 21:53.09 | ljp | so, "Text Editor" should be "Text Editor" for all languagfes, because thats what its name is? |
| 21:53.19 | treke|laptop | why translate it into wave rider? it sounds better as wellenreiter |
| 21:53.38 | W8TVI | if its changed for english it should be called Waverider |
| 21:53.47 | W8TVI | or WaveRider |
| 21:53.53 | ljp | both are non descriptive of what it does. adding 'sniffer' would make it recogizable |
| 21:54.16 | W8TVI | ljp: the description says what it is! |
| 21:54.53 | ljp | you cant see a drscriptio if you are looking at a filenam,e |
| 21:55.03 | ljp | description, even |
| 21:55.13 | treke|laptop | you cant translate a file name |
| 21:55.25 | ljp | *sigh* |
| 21:55.27 | W8TVI | kismet doesnt say what it does... |
| 21:55.34 | ljp | bad name |
| 21:55.51 | ljp | bad choice, anyway, IMHO |
| 21:56.10 | Twiun | ljp: there's lots of bad names in the non-pda world too |
| 21:56.19 | Twiun | those that need to know find out |
| 21:56.42 | ljp | so, they are bad names, also |
| 21:56.49 | treke|laptop | there is only so much room for "Text Editor" and "3d Modeler: |
| 21:57.12 | treke|laptop | The point of the name is to identify the app, not describe it |
| 21:57.25 | ljp | its both |
| 21:57.35 | W8TVI | ljp: well lets change the name to 802.11b sniffer |
| 21:57.42 | ljp | not my app |
| 21:58.08 | ljp | I am mearly trying to make a case for tr consistency |
| 21:58.19 | W8TVI | I say just leave it as wellenreiter |
| 21:58.33 | ljp | whats the use of name tr if everyone just uses their own native words for it |
| 21:59.28 | W8TVI | hey mickeyl |
| 21:59.39 | ljp | someone changed "advancedfm" to "File Manager" |
| 21:59.50 | ljp | I wasnt too keen on that |
| 21:59.56 | treke|laptop | then change it back |
| 22:00.01 | mickeyl | change it back |
| 22:00.08 | mickeyl | he who writes the code names his product |
| 22:00.10 | ljp | it really doesnt matter |
| 22:00.22 | treke|laptop | if you don't care, then it isnt a problem. |
| 22:00.27 | ljp | doh |
| 22:00.55 | treke|laptop | if the name is meant to be a readable phrase, then it may make sense to translate it |
| 22:01.11 | ljp | I left it because "File Manager" is instantly more descriptive than "advancedfm" |
| 22:01.14 | W8TVI | the sound alerts for wellenreiter dont seem to work right... |
| 22:01.34 | treke|laptop | if you name something "AddressBook" or "Text editor", then yes you might want to translate it. But if you name it "wellenreiter" or "kgrok" then the translation probably doesnt fit |
| 22:02.08 | ljp | but wellenrieter is tr'd for other languages as 'wave rider', why not in english, also? |
| 22:02.19 | W8TVI | only the alarm sound makes a sound, and only on new net. |
| 22:02.34 | mickeyl | W8TVI: what rom? |
| 22:02.41 | W8TVI | oz3.2 |
| 22:03.15 | mickeyl | W8TVI: Wellenreiter II 0.9.9 from opie.net.wox.org/wellenreiter ? |
| 22:04.07 | W8TVI | mickeyl: yep |
| 22:04.14 | mickeyl | odd. last time i checked that worked. but it's been a while. I've done a lot of things since then. I must schedule my time between all those projects... i hope to release 1.1 by the end of this year. maybe that fixes |
| 22:04.28 | W8TVI | 0.9.9-20030504 |
| 22:04.36 | mickeyl | yeah, that's the latest stable |
| 22:04.52 | W8TVI | got a testing version? |
| 22:06.02 | mickeyl | W8TVI: not now. been focusing on 2.4.18 |
| 22:06.14 | mickeyl | I'm an old man. only can concentrate on one thing at a time |
| 22:06.15 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:06.22 | W8TVI | mickeyl: it least it doesn't crash as much as kismet does. |
| 22:06.39 | mickeyl | good to hear |
| 22:06.43 | ljp | yes,let him get 2.4.18 |
| 22:07.33 | W8TVI | mickeyl: something I'd like to see is an option to play a wav file to ether /dev/dsp or /dev/dsp1 |
| 22:09.14 | mickeyl | W8TVI: Well... sound handling in all Opie and Qtopia apps is pretty messed up. In my opinion it doesn't make sense to code that into individual apps. Opie needs a real sound system and applications need to be made aware of that. everything else is botch |
| 22:10.11 | W8TVI | well you can dump a wav file to the dsp like this: sound.wav > /dev/dsp |
| 22:23.44 | mickeyl | W8TVI: theoretically |
| 22:23.55 | mickeyl | practically that isn't cooperative |
| 22:24.09 | mickeyl | don't assume that every sound driver is multi client |
| 22:25.00 | ljp | or every wav file is uncompressed |
| 22:25.21 | mickeyl | or in a format/width/sample rate that is handled by the driver |
| 22:25.43 | mickeyl | chouimat: ping |
| 22:26.39 | W8TVI | hey ljp: those images you posted the link to, do they have everything uptodate? |
| 22:27.14 | W8TVI | I mean, is it worth flashing to them if your haveing trouble getting the older rom upgraded? |
| 22:33.45 | ljp | hmm.. dunno |
| 22:34.23 | W8TVI | I think I still have some opie 0.9.9 stuff on there that doesn't want to upgrade. |
| 22:34.52 | W8TVI | it'd be nice to have everything up to date to start out with, and maybe have some of the newer bug fixes |
| 22:35.17 | ljp | oh. ya. I recommend doing a flash |
| 22:36.11 | W8TVI | hmm... guess its time for me to do another backup on both of my zaurii |
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| 22:40.06 | mickeyl | treke: let's continue our discussion about suspend + usb please |
| 22:40.22 | mickeyl | treke: i can't remember, does the sharp rom has the same suspend time with enabled usb? |
| 22:41.13 | ljp | not that I recall |
| 22:41.16 | W8TVI | mickeyl: I seem to remember the sharp rom taking the same about of time to suspend as it does with the oz 3.2 rom on my 5500 |
| 22:42.06 | mickeyl | hmm.... well, kernel 2.4.18 takes around five seconds to suspend on shepherd. was it really also that bad on the sharp rom? |
| 22:42.43 | ljp | I can flash and try it |
| 22:43.43 | mickeyl | would be interesting to know |
| 22:43.54 | mickeyl | because if they're faster, then we need to know what we are doing wrong |
| 22:43.57 | mickeyl | we = OZ |
| 22:44.33 | ljp | k, hang... |
| 22:44.52 | mickeyl | good |
| 22:45.27 | ljp | hard part is remembering where I put it |
| 22:45.37 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:45.51 | mickeyl | do you have a initrd+kernel or just the big NAND backup? |
| 22:46.34 | ljp | you mean for c7x00? I was going to flash a sl5 |
| 22:46.43 | mickeyl | ah |
| 22:46.52 | ljp | can do wither, if you want |
| 22:46.56 | ljp | either |
| 22:47.03 | mickeyl | sl5 is ok. |
| 22:48.00 | mickeyl | we should check what apm does on suspend on the sharp rom, because on OZ the usbdmonitor stuff times out. |
| 22:48.09 | mickeyl | thus it needs ~5 seconds to suspend |
| 22:48.16 | mickeyl | which is _way_ too long |
| 22:56.54 | chouimat | mickeyl: pong |
| 22:59.29 | chouimat | ljp: styli |
| 22:59.43 | mickeyl | chouimat: can i /query you for a second |
| 22:59.55 | chouimat | mickeyl: yes |
| 23:01.10 | ljp | hmm.. seems to take about 2 seconds to suspend |
| 23:01.29 | ljp | and about 2 seconds to resume |
| 23:03.13 | mickeyl | 2 seconds... that's good |
| 23:03.26 | mickeyl | i wonder what exactly takes so long for us |
| 23:03.33 | mickeyl | please do a lsmod for me |
| 23:04.37 | ljp | sa1100_bi |
| 23:04.44 | ljp | net_fd |
| 23:04.48 | ljp | usbcore |
| 23:04.56 | ljp | t_fd] |
| 23:05.02 | ljp | usbmonitor |
| 23:05.13 | ljp | sharp_mmcsd_m |
| 23:05.13 | mickeyl | thanx. same as we have |
| 23:05.17 | ljp | devinfo |
| 23:05.28 | W8TVI | note to self, dont eject cf card while playing mp3s from it... |
| 23:05.37 | ljp | whoops theres no t_fd] line was wrapped |
| 23:06.02 | mickeyl | W8TVI :) |
| 23:06.42 | mickeyl | hmm... well. |
| 23:06.45 | mickeyl | that's a job for kergoth |
| 23:06.57 | mickeyl | i know nothing about apm and frankly... don't want to look into that |
| 23:07.27 | treke|home | mickeyl: what takes time is unloading usbmonitor |
| 23:07.43 | treke|home | mickeyl: If you try doing it by hand it's just a long wait while the driver does it's thing |
| 23:08.02 | mickeyl | hmm... treke, then why is the sharprom faster as we on that? |
| 23:08.07 | mickeyl | we're using the _same_ kernel |
| 23:08.09 | mickeyl | i don't get that |
| 23:08.59 | treke|home | we use a different apm |
| 23:09.10 | treke|home | and probably different usb stuff |
| 23:12.02 | mickeyl | nah, we just use the usb modules from the kernel |
| 23:12.10 | mickeyl | the only difference is apm |
| 23:12.14 | mickeyl | is ours newer or older? |
| 23:12.19 | mickeyl | and how does hotplug come into playß |
| 23:12.20 | mickeyl | ? |
| 23:12.20 | treke|home | ours is newer |
| 23:12.39 | treke|home | I dont know what sharp used for hotplug |
| 23:13.50 | mickeyl | well... seems we will have to live with that until kergoth is in OZ-kernel mode again |
| 23:13.58 | mickeyl | it's not _that_ bad |
| 23:14.06 | mickeyl | e.g. i don't use usb, so i have a fast suspend :) |
| 23:14.10 | treke|home | hehe |
| 23:40.20 | chouimat | mickeyl: but I need usb so this is bad ... now wireless card here |
| 23:40.25 | chouimat | s/now/no |
| 23:40.55 | mickeyl | you can add it |
| 23:41.00 | mickeyl | the usb-stuff is in the feed |
| 23:41.04 | mickeyl | add it via CF |
| 23:41.09 | mickeyl | then reboot |
| 23:41.13 | mickeyl | and it should automatically be loaded |
| 23:41.22 | mickeyl | usb-*modules*.ipk |
| 23:41.29 | chouimat | mickeyl: ok |
| 23:49.16 | mickeyl | chouimat: do you think it has release quality (for an unstable release that is, since we are @ 3.3.x) ? |
| 23:49.52 | chouimat | after extensive test (10 minutes) I will say yes :) |
| 23:50.24 | mickeyl | thanks :) |
| 23:50.29 | mickeyl | spent the whole weekend on it |
| 23:50.40 | mickeyl | i will release it tomorrow morning then. |
| 23:50.47 | chouimat | spent the whole weekend hard drinking :) |
| 23:50.51 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 23:50.59 | mickeyl | would've been better... |
| 23:51.06 | treke|home | mickeyl: don't do that yet |
| 23:51.15 | treke|home | mickeyl: tar up your buildroot and post it somewhere |
| 23:51.23 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 23:51.29 | mickeyl | -rf even |
| 23:51.30 | mickeyl | :D |
| 23:51.34 | treke|home | we should generate images for the whole range of machines and release it next week |
| 23:51.46 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 23:51.51 | mickeyl | 3.3.5 for all archs |
| 23:51.57 | mickeyl | machines even |
| 23:52.16 | treke|home | instead of just having a 5500 image and some other similar image for machine x |
| 23:53.01 | mickeyl | i'm pretty much out of energy now. can you care for husky and shepherd? shepherd only needs its own kernel, nothing special except that. |
| 23:53.06 | treke|home | yup |
| 23:53.18 | mickeyl | great. |
| 23:53.21 | treke|home | like I said, either push or tar up your buildroot and I'll do new builds |
| 23:53.29 | treke|home | just want to make sure I'm working from all your changes |
| 23:53.39 | mickeyl | of course yeah |
| 23:53.54 | treke|home | i'll try doing an ipaq build if I can find an ipaq to test on |
| 23:54.13 | mickeyl | that'd be good. the SIMpad is current, so no need to do it for it |
| 23:54.21 | mickeyl | hell i'm tired |
| 23:54.26 | mickeyl | see 'ya |
