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| 00:26.34 | ljp | hmm |
| 00:27.15 | ljp | something keeps overwriting a users net scheme on reboot |
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| 01:17.18 | Martyn | Hey all. |
| 01:18.41 | Martyn | CosmicPenguin : I've come to a complete halt on getting nanoX to handle VT switching gracefully. It's a mess. |
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| 01:20.23 | treke|laptop | hmm. Does pixel use nanox or microwindows directly? |
| 01:24.09 | kergoth | ljp: pong |
| 01:24.11 | kergoth | chouimat: pong |
| 01:25.46 | kergoth | Twiun[Zzzzz]: not using tagging allows us to retain the old versions in the current repository, which makes maintaining multiple distro branches (stable/testing/unstable) easier |
| 01:26.25 | CosmicPenguin | Martyn: no joke |
| 01:26.53 | Martyn | CosmicPenguin : Seriously .. After coding for a week straight, I realized that I was overhauling MUCH too much code. |
| 01:27.56 | kergoth | hey jordan, martyn |
| 01:28.13 | treke | mithro: I do have a feed and image if you are still looking |
| 01:28.36 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: whats happening? |
| 01:28.47 | CosmicPenguin | Martyn: can you come up with a roadmap of what needs to be done? |
| 01:29.25 | chouimat | kergoth: nm I fixed the problem |
| 01:29.53 | kergoth | nada, today was odd |
| 01:30.08 | kergoth | had to be in to work at 8:30 on a monday morning for an all day meeting |
| 01:30.09 | kergoth | and did so with zero caffeine |
| 01:30.11 | kergoth | was spooky |
| 01:30.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:30.13 | W8TVI | fun... |
| 01:30.19 | Martyn | CosmicPenguin : When I find some spare time, yes. |
| 01:30.19 | kergoth | wasnt tired, which was the strange part |
| 01:30.26 | chouimat | kergoth: yup 2 bottle of wines and 8 beers is too much in the same evening |
| 01:30.38 | kergoth | hehe, yeah, id say so |
| 01:31.14 | chouimat | kergoth: and today I make a new friend ... the toilet |
| 01:31.16 | kergoth | ugh, i hate checking my email after going days without doing so |
| 01:31.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:31.44 | treke | been a slow mail week for me |
| 01:32.34 | treke | only 100 messages today |
| 01:32.56 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: so what was the e-mail that freaked you out? |
| 01:33.00 | mithro | treke: which version of qt? head of 1.0.2? |
| 01:33.03 | kergoth | D .* <cr> |
| 01:33.03 | mithro | s/of/or |
| 01:33.05 | kergoth | email, what email? |
| 01:33.06 | treke | mithro: 1.0.2 |
| 01:33.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:33.16 | treke | mithro: HEAD wasnt booting for me |
| 01:33.41 | treke | going to build head again when I get home and see about making it work |
| 01:35.15 | treke | kergoth: ordered a magnia. |
| 01:35.25 | mithro | treke, ahh - well i don't think my resolution changing patch made it into 1.0.2? |
| 01:35.32 | treke | it isnt |
| 01:35.43 | treke | It was only a 2 or 3 line patch though :p |
| 01:35.51 | treke | I could fairly easilly apply it |
| 01:37.02 | mithro | yeah - actually it's about 5 :) |
| 01:37.07 | treke | hehe. |
| 01:37.50 | mithro | after my exams i'm going to look at getting it to resize the fonts correctly on already running programs |
| 01:38.05 | treke | shouldnt be tough to do |
| 01:38.14 | treke | appearance app can do it |
| 01:38.35 | mithro | yeah - i know |
| 01:38.44 | mithro | but i'm doing everything the appearance app is doing :( |
| 01:38.52 | treke | hmm. |
| 01:38.59 | mithro | well atleast i thought i was |
| 01:39.01 | treke | I'll take a look, maybe its something obvious |
| 01:39.38 | treke | I still with the hardware rotations were the ones we wanted |
| 01:40.33 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 01:40.34 | W8TVI | http://kdemyths.urbanlizard.com/viewMyth.php?mythID=59 |
| 01:40.38 | W8TVI | wouldn' |
| 01:40.46 | mithro | s/with/wish/? |
| 01:40.52 | treke | yeah. wish |
| 01:41.05 | W8TVI | wouldn't that all apply to opie/qte? |
| 01:41.48 | treke | W8TVI: no |
| 01:41.57 | treke | OPIE's libs are GPL not lgpl |
| 01:42.55 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: about some reorganisation and I understood I lost a project I was working on for 3 years ... i'm tired of this project so I don't understand why I freaked out ... probably because I consider it my baby |
| 01:49.04 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: I know what you mean... :) |
| 01:50.52 | treke | mithro: Rotating in hardware didnt do things in the proper directions we wanted. |
| 01:51.04 | mithro | o? |
| 01:52.11 | treke | maybe I'll try doing another build. Maybe I had it wrong somehow |
| 01:54.46 | mithro | o you mean the fbset changing the rotation? |
| 01:55.07 | treke | yes |
| 01:55.46 | mithro | ahh - fbset isn't the only way to do hardware rotation |
| 01:55.59 | mithro | some of the aticore functions provide hardware rotation stuff |
| 01:56.48 | kergoth | how does the aticore stuff access the chip? just mmap() /dev/mem? |
| 01:57.15 | mithro | i belive it does something similar to that |
| 01:57.29 | kergoth | well, itd have to, unless that functionality is in kernel |
| 01:57.38 | kergoth | which very little of it is due to the GPL |
| 01:57.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:57.45 | mithro | yeah - i figured that |
| 02:00.11 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: now I feel better but I was too slow to work today |
| 02:01.24 | treke | It's a shame, parts are in the kernel, just not the exact constants we need :p |
| 02:01.59 | kergoth | heh, sounds like we need to wrap the calls out of the aticore bits and watch what it does |
| 02:03.32 | kergoth | brb |
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| 02:10.46 | mithro | kergoth: wouldn't to to hard - some guy has produced like 90% of the prototypes |
| 02:14.43 | mithro | the best thing would be to extract out the ati core into it's own self contained binary package which we could then furthur anaylis |
| 02:16.20 | treke | even better would be for the pig fuckers at ati to release specs :) |
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| 02:17.44 | mithro | treke: thats as about as likley as MS deciding to release all the source code for all there software under an unrestrictive GPL compatible license |
| 02:18.15 | treke | Yeah. stupid aint it |
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| 02:35.16 | chouimat | http://bash.org/?48113 |
| 02:39.17 | W8TVI | chouimat: http://bash.org/?5273 |
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| 02:47.41 | chouimat | http://bash.org/?42586 http://bash.org/?136744 |
| 02:52.08 | masticator | wussup. |
| 02:52.27 | masticator | chouimat: talking to the ibm software people about making SOM and OREXX avalaible |
| 02:59.26 | chouimat | masticator: and? |
| 02:59.44 | chouimat | masticator: orexx is available btw |
| 02:59.54 | masticator | ah |
| 02:59.58 | masticator | well thats good news |
| 03:00.07 | masticator | just initial discussion |
| 03:00.26 | chouimat | http://www-3.ibm.com/software/awdtools/obj-rexx/ |
| 03:00.26 | masticator | they agreed it would be good technology for linux |
| 03:00.42 | chouimat | masticator: good |
| 03:01.11 | masticator | right but OREXX would still need to be able to talk to the SOM API right |
| 03:01.19 | chouimat | masticator: yup |
| 03:02.23 | masticator | its an old OREXX release though |
| 03:02.29 | masticator | so we would still need the source to fix it |
| 03:02.39 | masticator | library requirements are old |
| 03:03.04 | chouimat | masticator: and a way to make it work with g++ 3.3.x |
| 03:03.10 | masticator | right |
| 03:03.19 | masticator | and the new IBM visualage if necessary |
| 03:03.48 | chouimat | masticator: the one with the incremental c++ compiler? |
| 03:03.53 | masticator | yeah |
| 03:04.29 | chouimat | masticator: too bad I didn't have enough money to get the OS/2 version back then |
| 03:06.48 | masticator | good thing you didnt, OS/2 is dead and burie |
| 03:06.51 | masticator | buried |
| 03:06.52 | chouimat | brb |
| 03:21.16 | treke|home | evening |
| 03:22.21 | treke|home | mithro: ping |
| 03:22.36 | mithro | i always wondered it the space has that text there it isn't really blank it is |
| 03:22.55 | mithro | treke|home: pung |
| 03:23.40 | treke|home | hehe |
| 03:23.45 | treke|home | still need a new opie build? |
| 03:24.01 | mithro | from HEAD or 1.0.2? |
| 03:24.12 | treke|home | i can do a patched 1.0.2 or HEAD |
| 03:24.26 | mithro | patched 1.0.2 is okay |
| 03:24.42 | treke|home | ok. I can have that done in about 15 minutes :p |
| 03:25.05 | chouimat | masticator: I just found the old opendoc toolkit CDs |
| 03:25.24 | mithro | coolies! thanks |
| 03:25.29 | treke|home | gcc 3 is ok, right? |
| 03:26.43 | mithro | yeah |
| 03:26.49 | mithro | (hence my compat packages :) |
| 03:26.56 | treke|home | That's what I figured :p |
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| 03:27.05 | mithro | Twiun is doing me an icon for the oz-compat |
| 03:27.07 | treke|home | btw, the compat libraries dont seem to respect the system theme |
| 03:27.16 | mithro | could you give it a wirl? |
| 03:27.30 | mithro | treke|home: i have not idea why they dont respect the system theme :( |
| 03:27.51 | treke|home | try LD_PRELOADING libpreload.so |
| 03:28.20 | mithro | ? |
| 03:28.41 | mithro | i'm not even sure where the theme stuff comes from? |
| 03:28.42 | treke|home | get libpreload.so from a gcc2 opie instal, and LD_PRELOAD it |
| 03:28.49 | treke|home | it's part of QTE |
| 03:29.06 | mithro | whats the libpreload.so do? |
| 03:29.20 | mithro | the themes? |
| 03:29.39 | treke|home | It forces qte applications that don't respect the theme to do so |
| 03:30.05 | mithro | i'll give it a try |
| 03:30.19 | mithro | now to find a libpreload.so from a 2.95.2 build... |
| 03:30.25 | treke|home | You can control which apps it doesnt force from the application settings |
| 03:31.27 | mithro | havn't built a 2.95.x build in such a long time |
| 03:31.37 | mithro | which ipk is it in? |
| 03:31.48 | treke|home | Not sure. I've got a treee lying around so I'll track it down |
| 03:32.53 | treke|home | hhehehe. Removed in december. Doh |
| 03:33.04 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.04 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.05 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.17 | treke|home | so building an old copy might still work |
| 03:33.57 | mithro | ah! why has it been removed? added to qte? |
| 03:34.10 | treke|home | yup. It's patched into our qte |
| 03:35.43 | mithro | seems like not all that smart thing to do - to require changes to the qte library |
| 03:36.18 | treke|home | hasnt broken anything that we can find |
| 03:36.24 | mithro | are the iPaq packages 3.3 or 2.95? |
| 03:36.30 | treke|home | there are quite a few changes in our qpe |
| 03:36.33 | treke|home | ipaq packages are 2.95 |
| 03:36.40 | treke|home | er qte |
| 03:38.33 | mithro | what does qpe actually provide? |
| 03:38.53 | treke|home | qpe? Document mangage ment. Some widgets |
| 03:39.39 | treke|home | not really anything important |
| 03:41.01 | chouimat | night |
| 03:41.06 | mithro | how do i find if the applications have that qte stuff? |
| 03:41.48 | treke|home | ? |
| 03:42.11 | mithro | how do i find out if the qte i have has that force patch? |
| 03:42.35 | treke|home | checking the source :) |
| 03:43.34 | mithro | can't :) |
| 03:43.37 | mithro | how else? |
| 03:43.47 | treke|home | See if it works? :P |
| 03:44.11 | mithro | well - hrm |
| 03:44.18 | mithro | it appears it doesn't... |
| 03:44.45 | treke|home | mithro: the patch is definitly in my last build for husky |
| 03:44.53 | treke|home | you might need a patched libqpe |
| 03:46.07 | treke|home | mithro: Email sandman and see if he can send you the source for his preloader for sharps qte |
| 03:46.49 | mithro | hrm would the oz 3.2 build for 5500 have that patch? |
| 03:47.02 | treke|home | dont know |
| 03:47.15 | treke|home | 3.2 is old enough that the contents have faded into the mists of time |
| 03:47.32 | treke|home | mithro: the preload hack is your best bet if you want to be able to use sharp's libraries directly |
| 03:47.44 | treke|home | which you'll need for the quicklaunch stuff |
| 03:49.00 | mithro | yeah - i suppose so |
| 03:53.40 | mithro | open("lib/opt/QtPalmtop//plugins/decorations/Qtopia.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 03:53.42 | mithro | ? |
| 03:53.48 | mithro | i wonder what that file did/does |
| 03:54.40 | kergoth | exactly what it says, no doubt. |
| 03:54.54 | kergoth | Qtopia window decorations |
| 03:56.07 | treke|home | mithro: http://home.treke.net/~ggilbert/ |
| 03:58.03 | mithro | stat64("/opt/QtPalmtop.compat/lib/libjava.so", 0xbffffa08) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 03:58.03 | mithro | stat64("/opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libjava.so", 0xbffffa08) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 03:58.03 | mithro | stat64("/usr/local/lib/libjava.so", 0xbffffa08) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 03:58.03 | mithro | stat64("/usr/lib/libjava.so", 0xbffffa08) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 03:58.03 | mithro | stat64("/lib/libjava.so", 0xbffffa08) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 03:58.15 | mithro | opera appears to be looking for a java library |
| 03:58.39 | mithro | it also goes through a bunch of plugin directories |
| 03:59.24 | treke|home | not surprising |
| 04:00.26 | mithro | i wonder if we could get it to actually work with java/other plugins |
| 04:04.22 | Pendalar | gah on a reboot XP checked my memory card reader's CF for 'inconsistancies' and blew the filesystem |
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| 05:03.54 | noda | Moo! |
| 05:05.26 | mithro | treke|home: he feed has the patches in it right? |
| 05:05.39 | noda | Has anybody here ever undeleted files on ext3 partitions? |
| 05:05.41 | treke|home | yes |
| 05:17.08 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.31 | treke|home | hehe, sounds like tkcvideo and kino compatibility is more trouble than it's worth :p |
| 05:18.57 | mithro | i'm trying to this seems like sharp have really hacked up there qte |
| 05:19.12 | treke|home | yup |
| 05:19.48 | mithro | sometimes i wonder about the intelligence of commercial orginasations |
| 05:25.20 | mithro | i think i may have figure out a way around this problem |
| 05:31.03 | mithro | if i run it with -qws it correctly initalises the frame buffer |
| 05:31.21 | treke|home | Right, but it also will kill other running qpe apps |
| 05:31.44 | mithro | so i'm wondering what would happen if i ran a program before the qpe apps which initalised the special frame buffer bits |
| 05:32.21 | mithro | ie - at boot do the following -> run init program, run normal qpe, run compat application |
| 05:34.48 | mithro | dunno if it will work but it's worth a try |
| 05:45.43 | mithro | open("/dev/fb0", O_RDWR) = 5 |
| 05:45.44 | mithro | flock(5, LOCK_EX) = 0 |
| 05:45.44 | mithro | ioctl(5, 0x4602, 0xbffff7d0) = 0 |
| 05:45.44 | mithro | ioctl(5, 0x4600, 0xbffff730) = 0 |
| 05:45.44 | mithro | old_mmap(NULL, 2097152, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_SHARED, 5, 0) = 0x4091f000 |
| 05:45.54 | mithro | intresting the bunch of ioctl's |
| 05:49.17 | treke|home | ok. head booted |
| 05:49.25 | treke|home | and I've got a list of packages that need fixing |
| 05:56.50 | kergoth`bbl | http://www.hosstyle.com/Goofy%20shit/Goofyshit34/working_with_idiots.htm |
| 06:03.33 | mithro | okay something weird happened then - |
| 06:04.05 | mithro | i started up "netfront -qws" got a box with an x on it, and when i clicked the X it start up opie |
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| 06:34.34 | mithro | lpotter: 802.11g! :) |
| 06:34.45 | lpotter | :) |
| 06:34.57 | lpotter | sand is a bit worry |
| 06:35.04 | mithro | some of those hotels on the coast have 802.11g access |
| 06:35.18 | lpotter | hmmm..... |
| 06:36.43 | mithro | lpotter: do you know much about quickexec? |
| 06:37.10 | lpotter | I know it's old technology, and isn't that great |
| 06:37.32 | mithro | ahh i think i've figured it out |
| 06:40.56 | lpotter | it's a precursor to qtopia's quicklanch |
| 06:41.41 | mithro | treke|home: i think i have got quickexec compatibility working |
| 06:42.56 | lpotter | nice |
| 06:47.27 | lpotter | traitor! |
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| 06:48.26 | mithro | why? |
| 06:48.39 | mithro | i'm just going to use it to extract some stuff |
| 06:49.06 | mithro | wouldn't think i would actually use it! how evil do you think i am? |
| 06:49.50 | lpotter | I kow. I was joking |
| 06:49.53 | lpotter | know |
| 07:02.04 | mithro | woot! it definatley works! |
| 07:02.27 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 07:02.33 | treke|home | HEAD looks different |
| 07:02.43 | mithro | okay now i have misplaced my stylus |
| 07:03.30 | lpotter | check your ear |
| 07:04.16 | mithro | hrm - how does one make a program start on opie-startup? |
| 07:04.35 | treke|home | mithro: you mean before the launcher? |
| 07:05.30 | lpotter | you say 'great googli-moogli' as its booting |
| 07:06.22 | mithro | no - like quickload |
| 07:06.47 | mithro | o - i just found out something else which might be useful |
| 07:07.23 | mithro | libsl/libzdtm is on the 5500 as well... |
| 07:08.28 | treke|home | and? |
| 07:08.38 | mithro | and i doubt they use the ati acceleration functions |
| 07:08.50 | treke|home | Right. |
| 07:08.53 | mithro | hence they should work |
| 07:09.07 | treke|home | :p |
| 07:09.49 | mithro | can't remeber |
| 07:10.05 | mithro | won't fix tkcVideo_c700 though - that uses the AtiCore stuff |
| 07:11.29 | lpotter | ow'd they get access to that? |
| 07:11.36 | lpotter | how'd, even |
| 07:11.46 | treke|home | probably an nda |
| 07:12.54 | mithro | or they used the w100_fake.h stuff that japanese guy produced |
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| 07:15.24 | mithro | treke|home: do you have or original c7[56]0 image about anywhere? |
| 07:15.27 | treke|home | no |
| 07:15.33 | treke|home | conics has one |
| 07:15.39 | treke|home | it's about 130 megs or so |
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| 07:17.46 | mithro | the opera on the korean version of the 5500 is suppose to have flash support |
| 07:19.09 | mithro | i wonder if we can find somebody who has the korean rom |
| 07:19.50 | mithro | treke|home: good night - thanks for the updated packages |
| 07:19.57 | mithro | do you know if that image will work with a c700? |
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| 07:22.48 | lpotter | I think that flash os only v 3 |
| 07:22.53 | lpotter | is |
| 07:25.01 | treke|z | shit. |
| 07:25.11 | mithro | lpotter: i was talking about the image he created |
| 07:25.11 | treke|z | cant hide input methods |
| 07:25.24 | mithro | treke|z: on your head version? |
| 07:25.35 | treke|z | yes |
| 07:26.25 | mithro | thats not nice |
| 07:26.51 | treke|z | and everything seems tiny |
| 07:26.56 | lpotter | qtopia doesnt have that problem. :) |
| 07:30.41 | mithro | yeah - well |
| 07:30.42 | mithro | i think we should create an "Opie - Spit and Polish" group |
| 07:30.42 | mithro | if opie was polished properly it would beat Qtopia hands down :) |
| 07:32.11 | lpotter | bah |
| 07:32.49 | lpotter | both opie and qtopia are great software |
| 07:33.10 | mithro | i agree there |
| 07:33.41 | treke|home | if you want perfect though, you'll need to use gpe |
| 07:33.54 | lpotter | ha hahaha hahahaha hahahahahahahahhaha |
| 07:34.04 | lpotter | hohohohohohohohohh heheheheheheh hahahaha |
| 07:34.10 | lpotter | hahahahahahahahahhaha |
| 07:34.16 | treke|home | at least gpe has a decent handwriting input method |
| 07:34.22 | mithro | however i think opie could be a "super great" peice of software if it only got enought polishing |
| 07:34.48 | lpotter | whats decent |
| 07:35.00 | treke|home | lpotter: xstroke rocks the house |
| 07:35.07 | lpotter | uh huh |
| 07:35.32 | lpotter | so port it |
| 07:36.25 | lpotter | such as? |
| 07:36.38 | treke|home | sending events to other applications |
| 07:37.19 | lpotter | just look at another input method |
| 07:37.38 | treke|home | none of the other input methods sent mouse events |
| 07:37.44 | treke|home | at least none of the ones I saw |
| 07:37.49 | mithro | does the Z input methods have the cool "word prediction" that the ppc's do? |
| 07:38.27 | lpotter | they are sent keycodes, why would you need the apps to figure out mouse events? |
| 07:38.52 | mithro | and could the Z support "transcriber" type input? |
| 07:39.00 | lpotter | dunno |
| 07:39.02 | treke|home | lpotter: Xstroke needs to be able to pass through mouse events so you can continue to manipulate widgets |
| 07:39.09 | lpotter | ahhh |
| 07:39.39 | lpotter | sounds like a qte patch to me |
| 07:39.41 | mithro | transcriber is cool |
| 07:39.41 | treke|home | If not you have to keep switching the input method on and off to switch from field to field |
| 07:40.16 | lpotter | I think warwick mentioned mouse events in his look at porting xstroke |
| 07:41.02 | treke|home | the qtopia handwriting recognizer isnt bad, xstroke just has always been more reliable for me |
| 07:41.26 | treke|home | and the little white box succks :p |
| 07:44.24 | lpotter | hmm |
| 07:44.35 | lpotter | better than sucking frogs |
| 07:45.24 | mithro | the french think they are quite tasty |
| 07:50.49 | mithro | treke|home: do you have an md5sum for that initrd.bin? |
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| 07:51.24 | mithro | and i thought you where going to bed |
| 07:53.51 | lpotter | yaahhooo! I got my wifi cf working on my lappie |
| 07:55.27 | mithro | that shouldn't have been hard |
| 07:55.47 | lpotter | heh.. it was more finagling than I had thought it would be |
| 07:55.53 | mithro | specially if it's prism2 based :) |
| 07:57.11 | lpotter | you kow what a raspberry is? |
| 07:57.15 | lpotter | know |
| 07:57.50 | mithro | yeah |
| 07:58.04 | mithro | he he sloshdat.org is still avalible |
| 07:58.48 | lpotter | cool. lets make it a site that slams /. and it's idiototic posters |
| 08:00.18 | mithro | he he |
| 08:00.27 | mithro | wonder how long it'll take it to be registered now |
| 08:00.54 | mithro | cool - opie has some type of inital configuration screen now |
| 08:01.53 | lpotter | its been awhile since you use opie? |
| 08:02.06 | mithro | i'm using opie - 1.0.1 |
| 08:02.24 | mithro | it didn't do anything like that with that version |
| 08:02.46 | mithro | and the background picture is the right size! |
| 08:03.44 | lpotter | the one thats too busy looking |
| 08:03.47 | lpotter | ? |
| 08:04.04 | mithro | lpotter: yeah that one - i prefer plain ones as well |
| 08:04.35 | lpotter | the default one is hard to see stuff on the launcher |
| 08:04.46 | mithro | i agree |
| 08:04.59 | mithro | if they didn't have that squiggle thing it would be 100 times better |
| 08:07.11 | mithro | well who is going to register sloshdat? |
| 08:07.34 | lpotter | I thought you were |
| 08:07.44 | mithro | don't have enought money :) |
| 08:07.57 | mithro | so it's up for grabs |
| 08:09.40 | lpotter | this year is my 'endless summer' year, as I have yet to see winter.. really.. |
| 08:15.48 | mithro | hrm - something is up with the datetime stuff on my Z |
| 08:16.31 | mithro | it thinks it's 8:16 and ntp date agrees |
| 08:17.13 | lpotter | daylight savings time? |
| 08:17.27 | mithro | no AM! it's like 6:52PM here |
| 08:18.46 | mithro | it's like it's thinking the time offset is 0 |
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| 08:21.58 | mithro | Ah ha! it doesn't have any of the time zones installed |
| 08:34.05 | mithro | lpotter: you know all about quicklauncher right? |
| 08:34.18 | lpotter | umm, not _all_ about it, but some |
| 08:35.08 | mithro | okay - i can't get aqpkg to run |
| 08:35.20 | mithro | and it appears to be linked to quicklauncher in opie 1.0.2 |
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| 08:44.07 | mithro | ah ha! |
| 08:44.10 | mithro | open("/lib/libstdc++.so.5", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 09:01.06 | mithro | i can't seem to find it anywhere |
| 09:07.41 | mithro | can you use ibot to leave messages? |
| 09:07.48 | mithro | ibot help |
| 09:19.36 | mithro | i've misplaced my stylus again |
| 09:20.06 | Twiun | 'mornin |
| 09:20.17 | mithro | Twiun: i got quickexec compatibility working |
| 09:20.31 | Twiun | mithro: cool :) |
| 09:20.44 | mithro | it amazing what procrastinating gets done |
| 09:21.06 | Twiun | mithro: haven't got an icon for you yet |
| 09:21.11 | Twiun | yeah, go study :) |
| 09:21.14 | mithro | bah! ;) |
| 09:21.39 | mithro | i've got one thing left to do with quickexec |
| 09:21.50 | mithro | i have to get the qeserver to startup with opie |
| 09:22.36 | Twiun | so how does quickexec work? |
| 09:27.29 | mithro | it has a program called "qeserver" is running |
| 09:29.07 | mithro | then the quickexec program connectes to qeserver and tells it load the binlib library |
| 09:30.08 | Twiun | not since you asked 12 hours ago ;) |
| 09:30.50 | mithro | ? |
| 09:31.08 | mithro | so i have to figure out a way to get qeserver to be started |
| 09:31.39 | Twiun | woops, sorry that was answering Dessimat0r 12 hours ago ;) |
| 09:31.44 | Twiun | had my irssi window scrolled up |
| 09:32.52 | mithro | any ideas how the quickloaded apps work? |
| 09:33.26 | mithro | s/quickloaded/apps which startup beginning/ |
| 09:34.01 | mithro | s/beginning/at the beginning/ |
| 09:34.02 | Twiun | yeah, it's a qtopia thing |
| 09:34.16 | Twiun | they get put into the background instead of closd |
| 09:34.24 | Twiun | nothing mystical about it |
| 09:35.31 | mithro | how does qtopia know to start them? |
| 09:36.06 | mithro | anyone know treke's email address? |
| 09:36.19 | lpotter | greg at treke. net I think |
| 09:36.38 | Twiun | mithro: it's an entry in the apps .desktop file |
| 09:36.50 | Twiun | mithro: QuickLaunch=true iirc |
| 09:37.41 | Twiun | mithro: look at the todolist.desktop file |
| 09:39.24 | mithro | hrm i don't see that line in the information |
| 09:40.28 | Twiun | QuickStart maybe? I haven't got my Z handy to check |
| 09:40.48 | mithro | nope |
| 09:40.51 | mithro | nothing like that |
| 10:00.04 | lpotter | thats fastload setting in the desktop |
| 10:01.48 | Twiun | there we go :) |
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| 10:41.13 | mickeyl | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 10:41.14 | | kergoth is currently on #uclibc #zaurus #elinux #openembedded #handhelds.org #openzaurus. Has said a total of 85 messages. Is idling for 6h 40m 26s |
| 10:41.28 | Twiun | hiya mithro |
| 10:41.33 | Twiun | hiya mickeyl even ;) |
| 10:41.34 | mickeyl | hi Twiun |
| 10:41.36 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 10:42.03 | mickeyl | any idea where kergoth has been lately? |
| 10:42.48 | Twiun | no, not really. I think he missed a deadline last week so he may be working catch-up |
| 10:43.04 | mithro | he pops in every now and then |
| 10:45.53 | lpotter | ah deadline, eh? |
| 10:46.06 | lpotter | is that why hew went to work on Sunday? hehehee |
| 10:57.26 | Twiun | yeah, must be |
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| 11:48.00 | Speedy2 | re |
| 11:48.19 | Twiun | hiya Speedy2 |
| 11:48.29 | Twiun | g'morning Dalibor |
| 11:49.35 | Speedy2 | Yo |
| 11:49.45 | Speedy2 | Weird, no one is in the #GoboLinux channel |
| 11:53.32 | Twiun | What's a Gobo? |
| 11:53.57 | Speedy2 | www.gobolinux.org |
| 11:54.01 | Speedy2 | Looks to be a very cool thing |
| 11:54.12 | Speedy2 | My only beef is that they don't have sub-categories under the "Programs" folder |
| 11:55.14 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 11:56.16 | Speedy2 | UNIX file structure *IS* stupid |
| 11:56.33 | Speedy2 | I came up with a lot of these ideas Gobo people are using on my own. Glad to see someone else was thinking too! |
| 11:56.38 | Speedy2 | (and they did something about it) |
| 11:57.22 | Twiun | now if you could only get it pushed into the LSB ;) |
| 11:59.01 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 12:00.20 | Twiun | Linux Standard Base |
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| 12:02.52 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 12:02.59 | Speedy2 | Basically, UNIX file structuring sux |
| 12:03.15 | Speedy2 | The second problem I have with Gobo is that there isn't a fully-working package management system |
| 12:03.26 | Speedy2 | While compiling gives you some jollies...it's also a waste of time. |
| 12:07.07 | Twiun | Aye. I ditched gentoo because of that |
| 12:07.16 | Twiun | too much time down the drain |
| 12:09.06 | Speedy2 | I am still in search of a good distro to try out |
| 12:09.22 | Speedy2 | Hopefully one that can use .debs / apt |
| 12:09.34 | Speedy2 | Is Debian's current installer even graphical and usable? |
| 12:10.44 | Twiun | no idea, reverted to the dark side for the time being |
| 12:12.39 | Speedy2 | Windowze? |
| 12:12.58 | Twiun | yah, XP Pro |
| 12:13.06 | Speedy2 | 2E3 here |
| 12:13.47 | Twiun | win 2003? |
| 12:16.43 | Speedy2 | Right |
| 12:16.50 | Speedy2 | <-- HP calculator user, remember |
| 12:16.56 | Speedy2 | I prefer to call it Lose2E3 |
| 12:17.00 | Speedy2 | (for obvious reasons) |
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| 12:20.07 | Twiun | ahhh |
| 12:20.14 | Speedy2 | I'm kinda confused what this shows: |
| 12:20.14 | Speedy2 | http://www.gobolinux.org/screenshots/screenshots/Massen_RootlessOnOSX.jpg |
| 12:20.26 | Speedy2 | "And Fernando Massen does it again. Check out Rootless GoboLinux running hosted in Mac OS X running in his iBook, in a dual-head setup. Note that this is still work in progress, but these are the first steps towards portability to non-x86 architectures. Contributed by Fernando Massen." |
| 12:21.55 | Speedy2 | uhh |
| 12:22.08 | Speedy2 | I think the dude is using a Darwin kernel but the GoboLinux UserSpace rules? |
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| 12:23.22 | Twiun | I won't even try to understand |
| 12:23.59 | Speedy2 | Anyway...Gobo looks like it has promise. |
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| 12:31.53 | mithro | why doesn't somebody do a rootless X for the Z? |
| 12:33.39 | mickeyl | let's see what's new... |
| 12:34.13 | Speedy2 | Hi mickeyl |
| 12:34.37 | Speedy2 | mithro: Would be cool.... |
| 12:37.18 | mickeyl | hi speedy |
| 12:39.39 | Speedy2 | How's it going? |
| 12:41.03 | Speedy2 | I'm curious, what do people think about BitKeeper? |
| 12:41.08 | Speedy2 | Better than CVS? |
| 12:45.17 | mickeyl | definitly. |
| 12:45.21 | mithro | kergoth likes it |
| 12:46.50 | Speedy2 | I checked out their site, but I was hard pressed to find why it's a "clear win" over something like CVS |
| 12:48.10 | mickeyl | read their comparison webpage? that's a good start. but there's more to it. |
| 12:48.37 | Speedy2 | Yeah, I figured, I was trying to find the more to it part |
| 12:48.55 | Speedy2 | The web statistics, etc is cool and all, but for a single-user (i.e. me) not that useful. |
| 12:49.35 | Speedy2 | Anyway, worth hearing what other people think... |
| 12:49.39 | mithro | directory moving is the biggest i know off |
| 12:52.12 | Twiun | mickeyl: http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/LOCs.html |
| 12:56.11 | mithro | Twiun: those graphs are hardley fair, they should be to the same scale |
| 12:56.47 | Twiun | mithro: I didn't write statcvs ;) and read the axes anyway |
| 12:57.06 | Speedy2 | Twiun: Turn off auto-axis feature? |
| 12:59.10 | Twiun | Speedy2: no such feature... statcvs is pretty featureless |
| 13:01.58 | Speedy2 | That's crap. |
| 13:02.06 | Speedy2 | Auto-axis is evil. |
| 13:02.32 | Speedy2 | Those plots do look like they're generated from Matlab though (the graph style and color) |
| 13:05.03 | Twiun | nah, statcvs uses JGraph, do a google on it |
| 13:05.28 | Twiun | and although it's done in Java, I'm not about to start messing with it |
| 13:05.50 | Twiun | Speedy2: this is the full report statcvs generates http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/wonka/statcvs/ |
| 13:07.59 | Twiun | takes a good 25mins on wonka |
| 13:08.53 | Speedy2 | I used JGraphpad |
| 13:08.56 | Speedy2 | You told me about it |
| 13:09.45 | mithro | # /opt/QtPalmtop.compat/lib/libsl.so.1: undefined symbol: qt_currentDpi |
| 13:09.48 | mithro | :( |
| 13:10.00 | Speedy2 | Wow, big project Twiun. |
| 13:10.25 | Twiun | Speedy2: not mine, thankfully :) |
| 13:10.57 | Twiun | Speedy2: but considering Wonka's pretty stagnant atm, I'm going to concentrate on getting fbAWT (and eventually qteAWT) working on Kaffe |
| 13:11.00 | mithro | so close yet so far :( |
| 13:11.34 | Speedy2 | mithro: One word: UNIX |
| 13:12.16 | mithro | no - one word - give me the source |
| 13:12.23 | mithro | actually thats more the one word :) |
| 13:15.45 | Twiun | yeah, more like a prayer... and not particularly effective one at that |
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| 14:59.25 | oicefox-wrk | If you compile Qt with thread support can you just install the qt-mt lib and have a sym link pointing to it for the regular libqt? |
| 14:59.33 | oicefox-wrk | Qt/qte |
| 15:00.17 | Twiun | not sure apps will be too happy with the swap |
| 15:00.40 | icefox-work | so both libs must be included? |
| 15:02.12 | Twiun | if you're going to mix and match, I think so |
| 15:03.30 | icefox-work | Can the everyday application link against qt-mt? |
| 15:04.22 | Twiun | that's the question, can apps linked against the singlethreaded qt work on the qt-mt, I don't know |
| 15:04.29 | mickeyl | no |
| 15:04.37 | mickeyl | qt-mt and qt are not exchangable |
| 15:04.42 | mickeyl | you'll get symbol mismatch |
| 15:04.48 | mickeyl | even if you're not using threads |
| 15:04.51 | icefox-work | mickeyl, what about source mismatch? |
| 15:05.06 | icefox-work | if I compile everything from scratch and only have the qt-mt |
| 15:05.17 | mickeyl | that might work without problems. |
| 15:05.18 | icefox-work | would there be any problems? |
| 15:05.41 | mickeyl | once someone compiled opie against qte-mt |
| 15:05.53 | mickeyl | dunno if and how much source changes were necessary though |
| 15:05.53 | icefox-work | and for those apps that are trying to link against libqt.so could I just symlink it to libqt-mt if I do it both on the desktop and the device? |
| 15:06.02 | mickeyl | no. |
| 15:06.12 | mickeyl | <mickeyl> qt-mt and qt are not exchangable |
| 15:06.12 | mickeyl | <mickeyl> you'll get symbol mismatch |
| 15:06.19 | icefox-work | ? |
| 15:06.31 | mickeyl | <icefox-work> and for those apps that are trying to link against libqt.so could I just symlink it to libqt-mt |
| 15:06.33 | icefox-work | really? how |
| 15:06.35 | mickeyl | that doesn't work. |
| 15:06.43 | icefox-work | at compile time |
| 15:07.05 | mickeyl | yeah at compile time it will probably work. it has been done. search the opie archives for multithreading |
| 15:07.33 | icefox-work | On my desktop I will compile qte with thread, delete the libqt, symlink libqt-mt to libqt, then compile qtopia which links to libqt, but would really link to libqt-mt <- any flaw in that? |
| 15:08.10 | mickeyl | hmm... worth a try |
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| 15:09.09 | icefox-work | ok, i'll give that a shot |
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| 17:12.45 | treke|laptop | got opie HEAD up and running, patched a couple apps to enable quicklaunch support |
| 17:13.27 | Martyn | <CVS checkin notes?> |
| 17:13.43 | icefox-work | Dang, just got the Red Hat newletter where in it there is the little jewl that states that while Enterprise will have a five year update Fedora will only have 2-3 month! What user would want to use Fedora after reading that! |
| 17:13.53 | icefox-work | month/months |
| 17:14.08 | treke|laptop | icefox-work: I dont see that being a big problem |
| 17:14.14 | Martyn | Neither do I. |
| 17:14.26 | Martyn | Considering that Enterprise costs quite a lot of money. |
| 17:14.56 | gb2 | depends what you actually mean by "update" |
| 17:15.00 | treke|laptop | icefox-work: Home users tend to update to the latest thing fairly quickly or not at all |
| 17:15.01 | icefox-work | I don't give a ra about the enterprise stuff, the fedora stuff is the really funny part |
| 17:15.05 | gb2 | there's also the Fedora Legacy project |
| 17:15.27 | icefox-work | still 3 months.... |
| 17:15.36 | gb2 | huh? |
| 17:15.37 | icefox-work | I have been running debian stable sense 99(?) |
| 17:15.51 | treke|laptop | icefox-work: And? Debian Stable == RedHat enterprise |
| 17:15.56 | gb2 | debian stable has horribly out of date software though |
| 17:16.06 | treke|laptop | roughly speaking |
| 17:16.06 | Martyn | Okay .. explain the whole problem you're having with an update cycle that's only 2-3 months long. |
| 17:16.09 | gb2 | debian also isn't maintained by a company |
| 17:16.16 | icefox-work | Martyn, yah |
| 17:16.36 | Martyn | No, I mean, what's your -objection?- |
| 17:16.51 | icefox-work | course it is probably longer theen 2-3 months, but havn't to put something in stone 2-3 months is probably all that they would commit too |
| 17:17.13 | icefox-work | Forcing your users to upgrade every 2-3 months gets old fast |
| 17:17.30 | icefox-work | I have no objection, it just seems stupid |
| 17:17.39 | treke|laptop | You are probably misreading that |
| 17:17.40 | Martyn | There is no "force" |
| 17:17.44 | Martyn | Just an update cycle. |
| 17:17.59 | icefox-work | ok, if you want to stick with the old redhat you can, but it wont get you much... |
| 17:18.00 | Martyn | Like Mandrake really... 9.0 users are still just fine |
| 17:18.06 | treke|laptop | Most likely it's old versions are supported for 2-3 months after the latest release |
| 17:18.09 | Martyn | 9.1 users are still fine .. and 9.2 is only just getting a polish |
| 17:18.47 | icefox-work | treke|laptop most likly, but in the newsletting it was worded quite badily "Update lifetime" |
| 17:19.04 | Martyn | Then again, I still run slink on two platforms, potato on another, and have a cobbled-together 'sarge' system |
| 17:19.24 | gb2 | i don't see why people want to continue running a base distribution from years ago |
| 17:19.44 | gb2 | one that isn't really optimized for current hardware and often doesn't even support current hardware. |
| 17:20.01 | Martyn | gb2 : Read that sentence again .. and you gave yourself the answer. |
| 17:20.11 | gb2 | huh? |
| 17:20.20 | icefox-work | gb2 : I still have a RedHat 6.2 box running :) The reason? It is so stripped and so slow (386+!) that I can't run anything else on it |
| 17:20.35 | Martyn | And icefox handed you the answer on a plate. |
| 17:20.47 | gb2 | the slowest system i'm using is a 700MHz pentium 3, and that's my box at work. |
| 17:20.56 | Martyn | I run slink on two P-300 systems. It's perfect, because it's optimized -for- that platform. |
| 17:20.59 | gb2 | the slowest thing i actually run at home is my 1.6GHz laptop |
| 17:21.07 | icefox-work | no linux distro these days works on 386, they all require 486 |
| 17:21.09 | Martyn | gb2 : Well, how nice for you. |
| 17:21.13 | gb2 | and debian stable is very slow on it |
| 17:21.16 | Martyn | icefox : 586 |
| 17:21.17 | gb2 | and the X server won't even run |
| 17:21.44 | icefox-work | Maryn: really? I only knew of the glibc 486 req, there is another one? |
| 17:21.53 | gb2 | i've made comments in the past that the typical debian user is running on hardware 2 or 3 generations old |
| 17:22.03 | Martyn | gb2 : That's purely your own fault. I run debian stable, well configured, on a PIII/500 with blazing performance. Only 128Megs of ram, and only 15Gb of hard disk space. |
| 17:22.45 | gb2 | martyn: debian stable doesn't even support the graphics hardware I own |
| 17:22.46 | Martyn | gb2 : Money is hard to earn, and dear. Most people -don't- upgrade quickly. |
| 17:22.49 | icefox-work | gb2: I don't think that is acurate, my 386 is just one example, the rest of my boxes are mostly current >2gb systems |
| 17:23.06 | icefox-work | gb/Ghz |
| 17:24.10 | Martyn | gb2 : As for your "oh, my bleeding edge hardware" isn't supported in debian "xxx" .. that's simply because debian's charter is not to be bleeding edge (that's for Sid/Testing) .. but rather to be stable. (and perhaps someday, easier to install) |
| 17:24.38 | Martyn | Mandrake/Fedora are better suited to the "bleeding edge/performance" crowd |
| 17:24.59 | Martyn | Gentoo is quickly becoming another OS-of-choice amongst the edge-of-hardware crowd |
| 17:25.02 | icefox-work | Remember back in the day when Mandrake was simply for "KDE" users :D |
| 17:25.14 | Martyn | ice : I do. |
| 17:25.29 | treke|laptop | gentoo is the os of choice for people who like wasting cpu cycles |
| 17:25.34 | Martyn | icefox : I actually use Mandrake these days (9.1) as my linux reference development platform. (because they have a set of RPM |
| 17:25.41 | Martyn | 's for the LSB) |
| 17:25.54 | gb2 | I want to be able to install the system and have it work |
| 17:26.00 | Martyn | treke : Why? Gentoo, once compiled, runs quite efficiently. |
| 17:26.11 | gb2 | without having to configure everything by hand |
| 17:26.15 | icefox-work | There is money to be made if someone started a company that you could get a linux distro subscriptions and just all year long get cd's in the mail of the distros you want when new versions come out |
| 17:26.54 | icefox-work | As random new distros come out they would just appear in the mail, that would be nice. |
| 17:28.37 | treke|laptop | Martyn: Seemed to me that I had to spend a ton of time compiling crap and wasting hard drive space :p |
| 17:29.31 | Martyn | treke : That's the idea behind gentoo, however. |
| 17:29.51 | Martyn | Like Sourcer before it .. it's a source-based dist, which means every time you want to put something in, it gets compiled. |
| 17:30.34 | Martyn | icefox : When I was at Andover.net, we were going to build a system that let you build-your-own-distro |
| 17:30.38 | treke|laptop | Yes. You spend quite a while compiling stuff for what didnt seem like a noticible improvement |
| 17:31.29 | Martyn | It was going to be a combination of a sourceforge-like source repository, a library dependency checker, a compile farm, and a package management system selector |
| 17:31.36 | icefox-work | Martyn : like proginy has? |
| 17:31.58 | Martyn | Never went anywhere ... ultimately, Andover merged with VA Linux (now VA Software) .. and SourceForge was born. |
| 17:32.02 | Martyn | Not the same, of course. |
| 17:34.24 | icefox-work | Sense you can't "remove" a project from sourceforge I hid and obscured every single part of the Kinkatta project :) |
| 17:34.42 | icefox-work | So now it looks like a "new" project that hasn't done anything |
| 17:36.22 | Martyn | A lot of people do tht. |
| 17:36.43 | icefox-work | Anoying, but oh well |
| 17:36.47 | Martyn | Although, if you email Uriah or any of the maintainers, they -can- delete a project completely. |
| 17:37.40 | icefox-work | Well I went through the normal help methods and they slapped me down. The reason being that the project is dead and I keep all the files on my person site in the event that anyone want to view them in the future, eh, whatever |
| 17:38.30 | Martyn | What do you mean "slapped you down" .. did you just simply say "I wish to close the project?" |
| 17:39.23 | icefox-work | I said that I wanted to close it and gave the above reason, etc and they said no and pointed at the doc that says they can never remove anything |
| 17:43.13 | Martyn | icefox : Ah .. the "library" clause. How much code and body of work did you put on SF.net? |
| 17:45.49 | Martyn | Heh .. you should have tried a "DMCA" angle :} |
| 17:46.01 | Martyn | -chuckle- They are -terrified- of it... |
| 17:50.23 | icefox-work | haha |
| 17:50.32 | icefox-work | there was a good amount, 99-02 |
| 17:51.13 | icefox-work | It would be nice if they could put it on deathbed status and in three years remove it |
| 17:51.20 | icefox-work | or something like that |
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| 20:09.44 | W8TVI | hey kergoth |
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| 20:10.31 | W8TVI | I think I should go and buy a bunch of SG20s and set them up with rh9 and alot better packages and sell them for something like $800 :) |
| 20:12.11 | W8TVI | yeha? |
| 20:12.16 | W8TVI | yeah that is |
| 20:12.28 | W8TVI | they are nice |
| 20:12.47 | W8TVI | dont pay more than $200 for one |
| 20:13.05 | treke | 170 with shipping. |
| 20:13.20 | W8TVI | cool |
| 20:14.01 | W8TVI | I paid $230 with s+h and got the thing 2 days after the end of the ebay thing |
| 20:14.41 | W8TVI | I need to get an updated sshd |
| 20:15.00 | W8TVI | the on there keeps hanging on exit |
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| 20:21.11 | treke | still waiting to here back from the ebay seller. Didnt get any of the inital confirmation emails since my ebay@treke.net alias wasnt actually in /etc/aliases :p |
| 20:22.41 | treke | W8TVI: Do you need a specific wireless card to do the wireless shit on it? |
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| 20:22.58 | W8TVI | an orinoco |
| 20:23.08 | treke | cool. |
| 20:23.24 | treke | So these linksys's I have lying around wont do any good :p |
| 20:23.44 | W8TVI | unless you wanted to do some hacking and figure out how to get a prism2 to run hostap mode |
| 20:23.59 | treke | perhaps with the hostap driver? :p |
| 20:24.05 | W8TVI | :P |
| 20:24.32 | treke | how good is the range on an orinoco? |
| 20:24.39 | W8TVI | no idea |
| 20:24.52 | CosmicPenguin | About 500 feet |
| 20:24.53 | W8TVI | its a standard cardbus slot.... |
| 20:25.06 | treke | cool deal |
| 20:25.11 | CosmicPenguin | We had a AP sitting mid office, and we made it half way through the parking lot before I lost ping |
| 20:25.23 | W8TVI | I just use my linksys AP |
| 20:25.24 | treke | probably just going to hook my linksys ap up to it for the time being |
| 20:25.39 | treke | I mostly want to get rid of the shitty router and dhcpd |
| 20:25.47 | W8TVI | and I have it hooked up to the "WLAN" port |
| 20:26.17 | W8TVI | it should work nicely for a router |
| 20:26.43 | treke | and maybe a file server. |
| 20:27.04 | W8TVI | treke: when you get yours, shut off the brg0 stuff |
| 20:27.42 | W8TVI | you'll need to edit the network scripts and then reboot to get it to work rigth |
| 20:27.45 | CosmicPenguin | But 802.1D rules! |
| 20:28.45 | W8TVI | treke: got a cardbus nic? |
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| 20:29.06 | treke | W8TVI: Everything I have is plain pcmcia |
| 20:29.14 | W8TVI | that'll work too |
| 20:29.34 | lpotter | pcmcia is so old skool, dude |
| 20:29.48 | treke | W8TVI: What I had been thinking of trying to do was digging up some kind of usb sound card :p |
| 20:30.28 | W8TVI | you could plug your broadband into the "WLAN" (eth1) port and put a pcmcia nic in there and plug your ap into that |
| 20:30.29 | W8TVI | :) |
| 20:30.46 | W8TVI | usb? |
| 20:30.50 | treke | hehe |
| 20:30.55 | treke | W8TVI: and get a carbus usb card |
| 20:30.55 | W8TVI | the sg20 doesnt have usb ports |
| 20:31.01 | W8TVI | ah |
| 20:31.02 | treke | I know that |
| 20:31.02 | W8TVI | :) |
| 20:31.05 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 20:31.20 | W8TVI | I have a cardbus usb 2.0 card/// |
| 20:31.58 | W8TVI | lets see what it says about mine... |
| 20:32.50 | treke | lpotter: So if I wanted to write a non gpl compatible open source app with my qte commercial license, I can do that, right? |
| 20:33.07 | treke | just no one else can modify it and redistribute without a commercial license? |
| 20:33.20 | lpotter | qpl |
| 20:33.27 | lpotter | hmm... |
| 20:33.49 | W8TVI | [root@myserver root]# cardctl ident |
| 20:33.50 | W8TVI | Socket 0: |
| 20:33.50 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.06 | W8TVI | Socket 0: |
| 20:34.07 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.07 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.10 | treke | I've got the license to do closed source stuff, just don't know exactly what restrictions are put on how I license my own code |
| 20:34.14 | lpotter | treke: I'd advise you to read your license |
| 20:34.23 | treke | I dont have a copy of it anywhere :p |
| 20:34.40 | lpotter | ahh.. hmm.. perhaps an email to sales@trolltech.com |
| 20:34.52 | lpotter | I dont know about licensing stuffs |
| 20:35.20 | lpotter | or info@tt |
| 20:35.25 | treke | licensing is a pain in the ass. Everyone should just use bsd without advertising clause |
| 20:35.31 | lpotter | heh |
| 20:35.50 | W8TVI | treke: it doesn't like my card |
| 20:36.42 | lpotter | I believe you can license your own code anyway you like |
| 20:36.44 | treke | Marsupilami23: Just so you know, it's possible to report multiple problems in a single email. |
| 20:37.10 | treke | W8TVI: Might just be a linux incompatible card |
| 20:37.18 | lpotter | you can license it under Open Buttplug License if you own the copyright |
| 20:37.30 | W8TVI | I dont have any usb stuff for it... |
| 20:38.19 | treke | I'll have to dig one up |
| 20:38.55 | W8TVI | treke |
| 20:38.56 | W8TVI | [root@myserver root]# cardctl ident |
| 20:38.56 | W8TVI | Socket 0: |
| 20:38.56 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.56 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.56 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.11 | treke | sg20 is redhat based, correct? |
| 20:40.29 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:40.29 | W8TVI | 7.3 |
| 20:40.40 | kergoth | built a debian env for it, but havent had time to make it boot |
| 20:40.49 | treke | might have to play with it and see if I can shoe horn god's distro on it |
| 20:41.04 | kergoth | debootstrap rocks :) |
| 20:41.33 | treke | kergoth: What problems where you running into booting it? |
| 20:41.42 | kergoth | i have no idea. |
| 20:41.55 | kergoth | with no serial, no monitor, etc, how do you figure out where its hanging up? |
| 20:41.59 | kergoth | :P |
| 20:42.00 | treke | hehe :p |
| 20:42.07 | treke | good point |
| 20:42.15 | kergoth | boots fine on the desktop, and made the changes to the ethernet module aliases and crap |
| 20:42.17 | kergoth | should be coming up fine |
| 20:45.15 | W8TVI | I keep telling kergoth that I'd go and make an image of my sg20 drive if he would send me a 20gb drive to put it on :) |
| 20:47.00 | W8TVI | New in version 2.6 of the SG20 software image is the ability to establish a SG20 to SG20 IPSec VPN. This will allow the creation of a secure tunnel between a remote location SG20 and the home office SG20 or between two small/medium offices equipped with SG20’s |
| 20:47.28 | lpotter | hmm |
| 20:47.40 | lpotter | Â’ |
| 20:47.56 | lpotter | what is that? |
| 20:49.06 | lpotter | that shows up as a little box with 00 at the top, and 92 at the bottom |
| 20:49.41 | pb_ | sounds like you need a better font. |
| 20:50.07 | pb_ | I get the 00/92 as well, but I'm using Vera which has notoriously patchy coverage. |
| 20:50.26 | lpotter | I think its an encoding issue |
| 20:50.30 | W8TVI | kergoth: http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:AV_q7jdplgsJ:www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D6350+sg20+howto&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 |
| 20:50.43 | lpotter | I can paste into emacs and it shows fine |
| 20:50.50 | W8TVI | [proto] I will most likely need to take a couple days off to rebuild my site since taking my mail/web/cvs/ftp server inhouse. A custom built Toshiba SG20 headless apliance server running a custom gentoo build is suiting my needs VERY nicely... |
| 20:51.04 | pb_ | maybe Emacs is using a different font. |
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| 20:51.36 | lpotter | its not the font. I am trying several, and they all do it |
| 20:51.37 | Martyn | Afternoon... |
| 20:51.59 | Martyn | I can't get one to compile under 1.2 megs. -sigh- |
| 20:52.36 | lpotter | modules are you friend |
| 20:52.46 | Martyn | lpotter : It's all modules |
| 20:53.02 | Martyn | Anything that isn't -absolutely- needed at boot-time, is a module. |
| 20:53.22 | Martyn | .. and still .. 1.24 megs |
| 20:53.31 | lpotter | which hcc? |
| 20:53.33 | lpotter | gcc |
| 20:53.46 | W8TVI | kergoth: I'm guessing the the bios on the sg20 is looking for a partion thats not there on your setup |
| 20:54.01 | Martyn | 3.2.2 |
| 20:54.19 | lpotter | on the kernel? |
| 20:54.30 | lpotter | use gcc2 for kernels |
| 20:55.02 | Martyn | That .. is not an option on this system |
| 20:55.03 | W8TVI | hey kergoth |
| 20:55.14 | W8TVI | Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 2432 cylinders |
| 20:55.15 | W8TVI | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes |
| 20:55.15 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.15 | W8TVI | /dev/hda1 * 1 131 1052226 83 Linux |
| 20:55.15 | W8TVI | /dev/hda2 132 288 1261102+ 83 Linux |
| 20:55.17 | W8TVI | /dev/hda3 289 2416 17093160 83 Linux |
| 20:55.18 | Martyn | And the kernels compiled under 3.2.2 work ... |
| 20:55.19 | W8TVI | /dev/hda4 2417 2431 120487+ f Win95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 20:55.21 | W8TVI | /dev/hda5 2417 2431 120456 82 Linux swap |
| 20:56.35 | W8TVI | hda4 and 4 aren |
| 20:56.37 | W8TVI | t moutned |
| 20:56.40 | W8TVI | mounted |
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| 20:58.13 | W8TVI | treke: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/magnia_sg20/files/ has some good files for the sg20 |
| 20:58.46 | W8TVI | even "Access-Point driver for prism-based Wireless Lan Adapters for SG20 " |
| 21:01.47 | mithro | whats an sg20? |
| 21:01.57 | mithro | lpotter_atwork: your up early? |
| 21:02.24 | W8TVI | treke: also http://groups.yahoo.com/group/magnia_sg10/files/ |
| 21:02.49 | W8TVI | mithro http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=toshiba+sg20 |
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| 21:25.14 | mithro | ljp: send it to mithro :) |
| 21:25.25 | ljp | heh. can't. it's not mine |
| 21:25.44 | mithro | i'm quite happy to accept all non-leathal hardware (ie no radioactive stuff please) |
| 21:26.35 | mickey|bbl | treke: hmm.... |
| 21:26.56 | mickeyl | treke: CAMCAM obviously didn't understand me. I tried to hard explaining him what OE is and why we are doing it... oh boy. |
| 21:27.02 | mickeyl | s/to/so |
| 21:27.19 | mickeyl | I did it a few days ago here and I really thought he'd understand. |
| 21:27.38 | Twiun | is he seriously misunderstanding? |
| 21:27.43 | mickeyl | treke: btw., since when do you work for TI ?:) |
| 21:27.46 | mickeyl | and me? |
| 21:27.48 | mickeyl | and ljp? |
| 21:27.49 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:28.06 | mickeyl | Twiun: yeah. |
| 21:28.06 | mithro | i might try and write a package selection GUI for OE after my exams |
| 21:28.13 | mickeyl | he thinks, we all could do it with rpm --b |
| 21:28.26 | mickeyl | so OE is not necessary |
| 21:28.26 | Twiun | ah. I see. I've yet to receive that ml post |
| 21:28.28 | mickeyl | better use rpm -b |
| 21:28.29 | kergoth | hah, like rpm supports modular package output |
| 21:28.32 | kergoth | or crosscompilation |
| 21:28.36 | mickeyl | yeppa |
| 21:28.42 | mickeyl | exactly what i did tell him |
| 21:29.21 | Twiun | mickeyl: any opie confs on the horizon I could lay into him in french? |
| 21:31.31 | Twiun | spoken is preferrable... my written french is atrocious |
| 21:31.31 | mickeyl | Twiun: he now works together with ocheong on opie for yopy or qtopia for yopy with opie's device abstraction.... something along that |
| 21:31.36 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:32.21 | mickeyl | Twiun: oh btw., wasn't on the mailing list: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?showtopic=6912&hl= |
| 21:32.37 | mickeyl | nice to see zack is back again, though. |
| 21:32.44 | Twiun | talk about washing the laundry in public ;) |
| 21:32.49 | mickeyl | yeha |
| 21:35.56 | kergoth | ugh, can someone bitchslap those people? |
| 21:37.07 | mickeyl | FUD. |
| 21:37.16 | Twiun | working on my reply atm |
| 21:37.32 | kergoth | I hate it when people state definitively facts that are blatently incorrect |
| 21:37.40 | kergoth | if you dont know or only suspect something, DONT MAKE IT SOUND FACTUAL |
| 21:37.43 | kergoth | because it fucking isnt. |
| 21:37.50 | kergoth | and spreads misinformation |
| 21:46.02 | Twiun | yeah |
| 21:46.14 | Twiun | it's taking me a while to write the reply ;) |
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| 21:53.22 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 21:53.31 | mickeyl | do we want a mount tab for sysinfo? |
| 21:53.35 | mickeyl | or not? |
| 21:53.38 | mickeyl | I'm undecided |
| 21:53.39 | mickeyl | http://www.iaccarino.de/silvio/img/sysinfo5.png |
| 21:54.02 | kergoth | "mount tab"? |
| 21:54.17 | mickeyl | sysinfo showing mounted partitions |
| 21:54.19 | kergoth | thats pretty redundant |
| 21:54.23 | kergoth | i dunno |
| 21:54.27 | mickeyl | me neither |
| 21:56.19 | Twiun | there, posted the answer |
| 21:56.33 | chouimat | kergoth: a little request: can you put the gcc version as suffix for the compilers |
| 21:56.36 | Twiun | should I be a little more insulting next time? |
| 21:57.36 | chouimat | Twiun: ? |
| 21:57.56 | kergoth | definately more insulting next time :) |
| 21:57.59 | Twiun | chouimat: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?showtopic=6912&hl= |
| 21:58.07 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:58.08 | kergoth | ~ # reboot |
| 21:58.09 | kergoth | URGENT: broadcast message from root: |
| 21:58.09 | kergoth | System going down IMMEDIATELY! |
| 21:58.09 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.10 | kergoth | Sending SIGTERM to mortals... |
| 21:58.13 | Twiun | kergoth: thought I'd give him some space to hang |
| 21:58.13 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 21:58.20 | kergoth | bounce, bounce! |
| 21:58.24 | kergoth | my reboot is odd |
| 21:58.56 | chouimat | who is amrein? |
| 21:59.20 | Twiun | CAMCAM |
| 21:59.43 | chouimat | oh him |
| 22:00.15 | Twiun | yeah. him. |
| 22:00.22 | Twiun | ~lart CAMCAM |
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| 22:01.14 | kergoth | ahhhh |
| 22:01.20 | kergoth | dropbear just alignment faulted |
| 22:01.24 | kergoth | this is not my day |
| 22:04.43 | ljp | dropbear has problems |
| 22:04.53 | ljp | a few, anyway |
| 22:04.58 | Twiun | ljp: sent that email yet? ;) |
| 22:08.00 | ljp | just getting to it |
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| 22:09.46 | kergoth | /tftpboot/toto/oe/etc$ ssh 192.168.68.2 |
| 22:09.47 | kergoth | kergoth@192.168.68.2's password: |
| 22:09.47 | kergoth | Aiee, segfault! You should probably report this as a bug to the developer |
| 22:09.47 | kergoth | Connection to 192.168.68.2 closed. |
| 22:09.48 | kergoth | haha |
| 22:10.03 | treke|laptop | hehehe |
| 22:10.08 | treke|laptop | what was that? |
| 22:10.11 | kergoth | dropbear |
| 22:10.14 | kergoth | Aiee! |
| 22:12.39 | mmelbert | K3rG07h: 1 H4v3 4 Qu35710N...... |
| 22:12.44 | chouimat | dropbear? |
| 22:13.04 | treke|laptop | and the answer is "yes your keyboard is broken" |
| 22:13.16 | kergoth | s/keyboard/user/ |
| 22:13.27 | chouimat | KSI segfaulted |
| 22:13.37 | chouimat | s/KSI?KCI |
| 22:13.50 | mmelbert | W7f h4Pp3N3d 70 7H47 |
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| 22:14.07 | mmelbert | D4mN......7h47 15 N07 Wh47 1 4M 7Yp1Ng4 |
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| 22:14.31 | ljp | manm, my fonts suddenly turns sour on this irc clien |
| 22:14.52 | ljp | seeing numbers for letters and such |
| 22:14.55 | Twiun | use irssi like the rest of us men ;) |
| 22:15.04 | chouimat | hehe |
| 22:15.10 | ljp | mmelbert> D4mN......7h47 15 N07 Wh47 1 4M 7Yp1Ng4 |
| 22:15.22 | ljp | it was a joke... *sigh* |
| 22:15.33 | ljp | get it? fonts? ^^^ |
| 22:15.34 | chouimat | ljp: me don't understand it |
| 22:15.40 | treke|laptop | wtf |
| 22:15.41 | kergoth | er |
| 22:15.56 | treke|laptop | does CAMCAM even do any research or do he just make this shit up |
| 22:15.56 | Twiun | ljp: rofl |
| 22:16.06 | Twiun | treke|laptop: he smokes it |
| 22:16.06 | chouimat | kergoth: problem? |
| 22:16.10 | treke|laptop | "Trolltech has build and release Qtopia in 3 months of work. Yes, 3 months!!! |
| 22:16.13 | treke|laptop | In one year after this they don't even change Qtopia (only one or two things internally taken from Opie ideas). " |
| 22:16.26 | ljp | is camcam amrein? |
| 22:16.33 | treke|laptop | ljp: yes |
| 22:16.33 | Twiun | treke|laptop: take into account his broken english and the missing negations appear ;) |
| 22:16.59 | Twiun | treke|laptop: might have to straighten him out in french some day |
| 22:17.05 | treke|laptop | Twiun: it isnt the english |
| 22:17.08 | Marsupilami23 | treke: Ya I know, but I come on the problems as I go, so there might be more... but really... I'm having email problems, so I wont be reporting anymore for a few days. |
| 22:17.17 | Marsupilami23 | treke: Yes I know this is late. |
| 22:17.23 | treke|laptop | Twiun: He just seems to pull shit out of thin air |
| 22:17.25 | Twiun | treke|laptop: well, ok... the content+the english |
| 22:18.11 | Twiun | treke|laptop: yeah, it's shit, and lathered on thickly too |
| 22:18.14 | treke|laptop | Twiun: His last post he said opie developers consider ljp a parasite |
| 22:18.30 | kergoth | hah i remember that |
| 22:18.31 | treke|laptop | And he's claiming TI controls OE/OZ |
| 22:18.31 | Twiun | ljp: keep sucking that blood, you're welcome to it |
| 22:18.45 | kergoth | and like everybody replied saying he was on crack |
| 22:18.58 | Twiun | treke|laptop: what I see is someone trying to turn every facet of the community into sansionalistic drivel |
| 22:19.22 | Twiun | ibot: dict sansasion |
| 22:19.48 | Twiun | ... and nor can ibot apparently |
| 22:20.13 | Marsupilami23 | I'm looking up drivel on gnomedict and its taking forever too. |
| 22:20.13 | kergoth | sensationalistic |
| 22:20.14 | treke|laptop | Twiun: pretty much. |
| 22:20.25 | Twiun | kergoth: thanks |
| 22:20.28 | kergoth | np |
| 22:20.42 | kergoth | its spelled exactly how it sounds |
| 22:20.45 | kergoth | a rarity |
| 22:20.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:21.12 | Twiun | omg! Marsupilami23 must be a Nokia spy!!! |
| 22:21.49 | Twiun | I really think some people watch too many of the wrong movies |
| 22:22.07 | Twiun | or were dropped on their heads as children |
| 22:22.14 | kergoth | or both |
| 22:23.05 | ljp | Twiun: ? |
| 22:23.27 | Twiun | ljp: thanks for the email, I'll ruminate on it a few days - the word I heard was that my arguments weren't quite enough justification. Not enough benefits for TT. |
| 22:23.59 | Twiun | ljp: the blood joke? I was referring to CAMCAM's slur about you being a considered a parasite |
| 22:24.10 | ljp | hmm |
| 22:24.15 | ljp | I didnt see that one |
| 22:24.27 | kergoth | it was a while ago, on the MLs |
| 22:24.28 | Twiun | it's on a board somewhere |
| 22:24.33 | Twiun | or on the ml even ;) |
| 22:25.03 | kergoth | woot. |
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| 22:25.14 | treke|laptop | god this gets stupider as it goes |
| 22:25.26 | treke|laptop | now he is accusing HP, TI, and Sharp of trying to kill linux pdas |
| 22:25.42 | treke|laptop | "I still have question... Do all those companies try to break this new Linux market? Do they have interests in conflicting? Did they engage a MS spy that overturns their Linux project or do they simply ruin it just because they are stupid? |
| 22:26.23 | Twiun | treke|laptop: dramatic drivel. I swear he was read bad conspiracy novels as a kid |
| 22:29.53 | treke|laptop | Twiun: know what scares me? |
| 22:30.05 | treke|laptop | Twiun: This is the guy who is in charge of opie's web site |
| 22:31.02 | ljp | I thought drw was doing that |
| 22:31.30 | Twiun | treke|laptop: you've got to be shitting me? |
| 22:31.44 | Twiun | do it a few times |
| 22:31.51 | Twiun | I need a webmaster too |
| 22:32.01 | treke|laptop | Twiun: nope |
| 22:32.10 | treke|laptop | ljp: I thought drw had said he didnt have time |
| 22:32.29 | ljp | hmmm |
| 22:32.30 | Twiun | treke|laptop: might be time to get a non-opie person to look after the site |
| 22:32.44 | Twiun | less chance of them taking sides in policy debates |
| 22:33.00 | kergoth | we need to quiz them to determine clue or lack thereof |
| 22:33.13 | treke|laptop | it isnt a problem of bias,it's a problem of him being full of shit |
| 22:33.24 | Twiun | how much time is really required to look after the opie site? |
| 22:33.28 | Twiun | and what skills? |
| 22:34.20 | ljp | thats skillZ |
| 22:34.26 | treke|laptop | some php skill and the ability not to piss people off |
| 22:34.27 | chouimat | treke|laptop: I like the way you put that |
| 22:35.02 | Twiun | treke|laptop: ah. no los comprendes php unfortunately |
| 22:35.02 | treke|laptop | Twiun: When he put together a list of opie developers, he ended up with a list of pretty much anyone with a handhelds.org account |
| 22:35.34 | Twiun | treke|laptop: how much php? setting up the wiki? or is there more? |
| 22:35.48 | treke|laptop | Twiun: You dont need to write much, just be able to do the occasional wiki tweak/ |
| 22:36.27 | Twiun | treke|laptop: if it comes up for a change, give me a shout - tweaking's easy when you know a few languages |
| 22:36.28 | treke|laptop | enough to do something like render standard opie website navigation inside the wiki |
| 22:36.48 | kergoth | personally i'd like to see opie get something like openzaurus.org |
| 22:36.55 | kergoth | with wiki only as supplementary info, not the primary source |
| 22:36.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:37.02 | treke|laptop | yes. |
| 22:37.13 | ljp | he just has a misunderstanding |
| 22:37.33 | Twiun | all yours to fix if you want |
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| 23:18.21 | mmelbert | back to xchat.....kopete just isnt that great for irc |
| 23:34.14 | chouimat | hmmm spag or chicken |
| 23:34.20 | CosmicPenguin | both |
| 23:34.31 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 23:35.16 | mmelbert | make it chicken parm. |
| 23:35.28 | chouimat | it's chicken nuggets |
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| 23:35.34 | chouimat | yay! 24 tonight |
| 23:36.12 | mmelbert | I remember our local McD's had 20 nuggets for $2.99 every sunday |
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