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| 03:49.24 | chouimat | ibot: wb |
| 03:49.57 | | thx |
| 03:49.57 | chouimat | hi TimRiker |
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| 04:03.52 | chouimat | night |
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| 04:47.26 | W8TVI | kergoth: how do make a diff? |
| 04:47.46 | W8TVI | what options do I need |
| 04:49.17 | W8TVI | I mean, what switches do I need? |
| 04:50.19 | mithro | kergoth: you about? do you know what is causing the long suspend time of the C7x0? |
| 04:50.53 | W8TVI | mithro: do you use diff to make a patch? |
| 04:50.59 | W8TVI | for a text file |
| 04:51.04 | mithro | in what? BitKeeper? |
| 04:51.11 | mithro | cvs? |
| 04:51.11 | treke|home | mithro: usb |
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| 04:59.14 | treke|home | opie is going to use oe as it's buildsystem, so it wont be going in for a while |
| 05:00.00 | mithro | thats what i thought |
| 05:00.08 | mithro | but i though i saw something about it from CIA |
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| 05:19.49 | W8TVI | damn google... can't find a howto for diff |
| 05:20.35 | Marsupilami23 | Try diffultils |
| 05:22.29 | W8TVI | when I use it it list all of both files... |
| 05:23.05 | Marsupilami23 | when you use diff? |
| 05:23.15 | Marsupilami23 | Ah |
| 05:23.20 | W8TVI | if thats all it does I might as well attach to whole stupid file and take half the space |
| 05:23.37 | treke|home | W8TVI: If the whole files differ then it will list the whole file |
| 05:24.12 | W8TVI | I changed one line and the file name so I could save it |
| 05:24.16 | treke|home | otherwise it will only return what differs when you use it properly |
| 05:24.22 | W8TVI | diff -urNd hostap_cs.conf /etc/hostap_cs2.conf > hostap_cs.conf.diff |
| 05:27.44 | W8TVI | finaly |
| 05:28.11 | W8TVI | I finaly got the stupid thing to let me change the name of the file and it came out right |
| 05:33.33 | treke|home | weird. vera doesnt want to build |
| 05:33.56 | mithro | anyone know much about CONTROL files? |
| 05:34.05 | treke|home | a bit |
| 05:34.07 | mithro | i want to make the oz-compat package depend on opie-sh |
| 05:38.45 | ljp_laptop | vera built for me fine - buildroot |
| 05:38.51 | treke|home | apparently it doesnt like the way mickey changed the controls to use $QTDIR instead of opt/QtPalmtop. probably needs an export of some kind |
| 05:39.17 | treke|home | it was interpretting QTDIR to be build/qt-embedded-2.3.7 |
| 05:39.32 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 05:39.40 | treke|home | I'll poke at it later |
| 05:40.06 | treke|home | I need to do a collie build, so I'll use that tree to do real fixes instead of hacks :p |
| 05:42.36 | treke|home | you probably built a qtopia image |
| 05:43.01 | ljp_laptop | you know you need to revert hotplug. to get it wo work properly |
| 05:43.09 | ljp_laptop | nope. an opie one also |
| 05:43.16 | treke|home | what's up with hotplug? |
| 05:43.32 | ljp_laptop | doesnt like to redo the usb interface |
| 05:43.39 | treke|home | fuck usb :) |
| 05:43.51 | ljp_laptop | so you end up rebooting the device till it can see it again |
| 05:44.00 | treke|home | is usb even usable on x760? |
| 05:44.10 | W8TVI | I dont even use eub on my zaurus |
| 05:44.13 | ljp_laptop | on 760.. dunno |
| 05:44.14 | mithro | treke|home: so how do i do this in the CONTROL file? |
| 05:44.28 | treke|home | add a Depends line |
| 05:44.39 | treke|home | ljp_laptop: Mickey said it was hard locking the device |
| 05:44.54 | treke|home | mithro: Depends: opie-sh |
| 05:45.15 | mithro | doh! didn't realise it was that simple :) |
| 05:47.27 | ljp_laptop | I need to get a usb cable for this c700 |
| 05:47.47 | mithro | c700 usb works fine |
| 05:47.54 | mithro | (well atleast on the Z side) |
| 05:48.03 | mithro | it's still unstable on the desktop side |
| 05:48.29 | treke|home | usbnet seems to suck in general |
| 05:49.18 | mithro | the sharp version of qte is quite considerable bigger then the opie version |
| 05:50.20 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 05:50.35 | ljp_laptop | is sharps been stripped? |
| 05:52.35 | mithro | yeah |
| 05:52.45 | mithro | i belive it's the AtiCore has been intergrated into it |
| 05:52.51 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.06 | mithro | which is about 2mb |
| 05:53.28 | mithro | anyone want to rip the AtiCore out into it's own shared library? |
| 05:53.47 | treke|home | mithro: sash |
| 05:54.05 | mithro | woot |
| 05:54.11 | mithro | # ipkg install oz-compat_0.3_arm.ipk |
| 05:54.11 | mithro | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for oz-compat: |
| 05:54.11 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.11 | mithro | # |
| 05:54.24 | treke|home | make sure you have opie-sh installed |
| 05:54.24 | mithro | does this "sash" person ever frequent IRC? |
| 05:54.27 | treke|home | and that the name opie-sh |
| 05:54.30 | treke|home | mithro: nope |
| 05:54.44 | mithro | bah! email? forums? |
| 05:55.00 | treke|home | he sometimes posts on the externe.net forum |
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| 05:55.13 | mithro | that was a woot because the dependance works |
| 05:55.30 | ljplaptop_ | arrgg |
| 05:55.33 | mithro | now to find what i did with my opie-sh package |
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| 06:01.37 | mithro | http://www.self-core.org/%7Ekaoru-k/wiki/AtiCoreDriver.html |
| 06:01.43 | treke|home | screen is using the environment it was originally started under, not the environment as changed by ssh |
| 06:03.16 | mithro | hrm i can't seem to find opie-sh :( |
| 06:10.44 | ljplaptop_ | arrggg |
| 06:14.10 | mithro | anyone got a good icon for the makecompat program? |
| 06:19.17 | mithro | if i get an icon i can release oz-compat 0.3! :) |
| 06:28.51 | treke|z | I need to fix the pcmcia build so it accepts module-init-tools as a valid modutils |
| 06:29.16 | treke|z | I keep uninstalling it to do a build, and forgetting to reinstall before a reboot |
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| 06:44.13 | mithro | treke|z: doh! |
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| 06:50.30 | mithro | these seem to be the first problems when starting up |
| 06:50.33 | mithro | setup() = -1073743644 |
| 06:50.33 | mithro | uname(ptrace: umoven: Input/output error |
| 06:50.33 | mithro | {...}) = 0 |
| 06:50.33 | mithro | brk(0x23ef454) = 0xbffff7c8 |
| 06:50.33 | mithro | old_mmap(NULL, 0, PROT_NONE, MAP_FILE, 0, 0) = 0x40012954 |
| 06:50.43 | mithro | anyone anyidea? |
| 06:53.38 | mithro | ah - dont worry about that error |
| 06:53.59 | mithro | rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [RTMIN], NULL, 8) = 0 |
| 06:54.00 | mithro | _sysctl({{CTL_KERN, KERN_VERSION}, 2, 0xbffff994, 34, (nil), 0}) = 0 |
| 06:54.17 | mithro | that is where it segfaults |
| 06:54.42 | mithro | anyone know what that sysctl call is trying to do? |
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| 07:28.41 | mithro | from that i'm thinking untill we get the Ati functions into qte we won't be able to use the sharp qte in compat libs |
| 07:37.13 | treke|home | I wouldnt expect that to happen any time soon :) |
| 07:42.02 | mithro | maybe i can force an init? |
| 07:42.25 | treke|home | dunno |
| 07:42.34 | treke|home | here'es a hint |
| 07:42.43 | treke|home | download the 5500 image and use those libs |
| 07:43.06 | treke|home | They should be completely compatbile with c7x0 apps |
| 07:44.16 | lpotter | I really need a car |
| 07:45.09 | mithro | yeah i have been doing that |
| 07:45.26 | treke|home | mithro: They wont depend on the libsl code |
| 07:45.45 | treke|home | nor will the need the ati stuff |
| 07:45.54 | mithro | treke|home: some c7x0 apps depend on the AtiCore/sl stuff |
| 07:47.51 | mithro | ie tkcVideo_c700 and kino2 |
| 07:48.23 | treke|home | hmm |
| 07:48.56 | treke|home | if using libsl libqte from the c7xx doesnt work, I cant help you |
| 07:49.52 | mithro | i wonder what the libsl includes |
| 07:50.42 | treke|home | it has ati stuff |
| 07:55.42 | lpotter | all this talk of embedded devices... geeezzz where does it end?! |
| 07:55.48 | mithro | nope - it actually has extra qt widgets from what i can see |
| 07:57.27 | mithro | it might be ati accelerated versions of qt widgets |
| 07:57.49 | mithro | as i can't see any ati references in the file |
| 08:00.50 | mithro | actually i'm pretty sure that the libsl provides extra widgets use by the sharp stuff |
| 08:02.30 | treke|home | probably |
| 08:03.18 | mithro | it provides the zip code widgets etc |
| 08:03.48 | lpotter | ? |
| 08:04.07 | mithro | libsl found on the c7x0 |
| 08:04.24 | lpotter | provides qtopia widgets? |
| 08:04.44 | treke|home | probably equivalent to libopie |
| 08:04.52 | mithro | it provides extra widgets used by sharp's stuff |
| 08:05.19 | lpotter | whats libsl anyway? a sharp thing? |
| 08:05.26 | treke|home | yes |
| 08:05.30 | lpotter | ahh |
| 08:07.26 | mithro | libCRL provides japanese stuff it appears |
| 08:08.04 | lpotter | interesting |
| 08:08.10 | mithro | dunno what libkke provides |
| 08:15.32 | mithro | is there anyway to call a library function without writing a program to do it? :) |
| 08:18.15 | mithro | still need an icon for the compatability |
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| 09:28.17 | Twiun | mornin' |
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| 10:06.05 | lpotter | _finally_ found the problem with pcmcia & dhcp on my lappie |
| 10:07.13 | lpotter | some idiot wrote the hotplug thing to do: ifup eth0=hotplug, and ifup couldnt find device eth0=hotplug |
| 10:07.47 | lpotter | damn thing has been bugging the crap outta me for months |
| 10:14.21 | lpotter | dang i, why cant you remind me when I am at work? |
| 10:14.29 | lpotter | s/i/it |
| 10:15.05 | Twiun | I keep assuming you're at work on norway times ;) |
| 10:15.16 | lpotter | nope .au |
| 10:15.19 | Twiun | ok, in hours from now, when will you be at work? |
| 10:15.26 | lpotter | 12 |
| 10:15.45 | Twiun | ok, booked |
| 10:15.51 | lpotter | it's 20:15 here |
| 10:16.16 | Twiun | 10am here |
| 10:17.50 | lpotter | yup. I know. I ported ktimewarp from kde2 to kde3.. it has several timezones |
| 10:19.22 | Twiun | I'll make sure to remember, 10pm for me |
| 10:23.53 | lpotter | hmm.. maybe I compiled an older qtopia that didn;t write to wireless.opts |
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| 11:02.50 | Twiun | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.56 | Twiun | woops |
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| 12:18.19 | mithro | why won't you work you stupid peice of dren |
| 12:47.40 | Twiun | no joy? |
| 12:48.26 | mithro | nope |
| 12:51.07 | mithro | all i did was reflash my system with my same initrd - i can't understand why it has stopped working |
| 12:53.51 | Twiun | weird |
| 12:54.08 | Twiun | maybe you'd used fbset to set the fb to some bizarre mode? |
| 12:55.11 | mithro | nope |
| 13:00.09 | Twiun | my feeling for today: http://www.despair.com/adversity.html |
| 13:01.19 | _Ben_ | Ouch |
| 13:02.12 | mithro | well my Z can still resize if i use debian's fbset |
| 13:02.57 | Twiun | fbset problem then? |
| 13:04.09 | mithro | it appears to be a problem with the version of libopie i have |
| 13:04.44 | Twiun | ah |
| 13:05.08 | mithro | i guess i must have upgraded it somewhere along the line |
| 13:05.16 | mithro | and this image doesn't include that upgrade |
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| 13:31.49 | Twiun | wb ibot |
| 13:33.05 | mithro | they look cool |
| 13:33.21 | mithro | i have no problem if they look as good as that! :) |
| 13:33.32 | Twiun | took about 30mins each |
| 13:35.35 | Twiun | I suppose I should do an icon lib with a fruity theme ;) |
| 13:37.28 | _Ben_ | Hmm.. I seem to get trouble with oebuild and my company proxy.. it should respect my $http_proxy, I suppose? |
| 13:37.45 | mithro | i was thinking along the lines of books - but hey i'm not fussy :) |
| 13:38.29 | Twiun | nah, I used an apple and L to say APPLEtviewer Launcher... but obviously that wasn't clear - that's why I'm not an icon designer :) |
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| 13:44.56 | mithro | ? |
| 13:45.22 | mithro | ahh - no the apple l for the appletviewer is cool |
| 13:45.27 | mithro | i was mis understanding |
| 13:48.24 | Twiun | oh, you mean my fruity icon library? I mean that as a general task I'd like to do, nothing to do with your peoject :) |
| 13:52.49 | mithro | yeah |
| 13:52.55 | mithro | it's late here |
| 13:53.26 | Twiun | it *feels* late here, even though it isn't :) |
| 13:54.11 | mithro | 12:28 AM |
| 13:55.20 | Twiun | ebay tool? |
| 13:56.50 | mithro | yeah |
| 13:57.13 | mithro | it waits till the last 5 minutes then puts your bid in |
| 13:58.08 | mithro | hence you don't end up buying 3 items becaue you put a maxbid in and won all 3 because you can't cancle |
| 13:58.59 | mithro | which is how i ended up with 2 HP 1910 and a Toshiba e740 |
| 13:59.36 | mithro | was trying to get my GF a new PDA as her old one died |
| 13:59.39 | Twiun | lol - plenty more things to put oz onto |
| 14:00.35 | mithro | problem is that none of them are up to the put oz onto stage |
| 14:00.49 | mithro | plus i have a c700 which kicks all them asses |
| 14:01.12 | mithro | although the 1910's are a nice light PDA |
| 14:01.23 | mithro | and the e740 has inbuilt 802.11b |
| 14:01.36 | _Ben_ | Nice |
| 14:02.01 | mithro | it also has a cf slot+sd slot |
| 14:02.10 | mithro | (no sdio support though :() |
| 14:02.40 | Twiun | are there actual PDAs with sdio? |
| 14:03.08 | cyn | palms |
| 14:03.25 | _Ben_ | Has anyone of you tried Bluetooth on a Zaurus 5500? |
| 14:03.48 | Twiun | no bluetooth hw here, nope |
| 14:03.58 | cyn | palms don't get cf (except sonys) so they are the forerunners in sdio since they'd like to keep a bit of marketshare |
| 14:04.01 | mithro | doesn't the iPAQ has SDIO? |
| 14:04.15 | cyn | prolly some do now |
| 14:04.18 | mithro | sony's have memorystick not cf? |
| 14:04.24 | mithro | i belive the 1910's do |
| 14:04.28 | cyn | palm palms have sd |
| 14:04.30 | cyn | sonys have ms |
| 14:04.35 | cyn | and the brick sonys have ms and cf |
| 14:05.35 | mithro | - /zaurus/266 |
| 14:05.47 | mithro | 266 unquie people looked at my zaurus page so far |
| 14:07.17 | mithro | only 2 hits from people in japan |
| 14:07.30 | cyn | damn, gunna have to work harder on that demographic |
| 14:07.32 | cyn | add some anime |
| 14:09.43 | mithro | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php5639.1 %5639.1 % |
| 14:09.44 | mithro | http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl5236.3 %5236.3 % |
| 14:09.44 | mithro | http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/viewtopic.php139 %139 % |
| 14:14.48 | mithro | i got picked up by newsforge! |
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| 14:17.48 | Twiun | hiya zecke |
| 14:29.42 | mickeyl | kergoth: ping |
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| 14:30.07 | mickeyl | kergoth: how can someone financally contribute to OZ/Opie ? do we have a paypal account setup? |
| 14:31.32 | Twiun | mickeyl: I think there are 'individual' accounts - but not a project one... how would we keep track of where the money goes? |
| 14:32.31 | CAMCAM | if you want, we can use mine :) |
| 14:33.00 | CAMCAM | (just in input of course) |
| 14:33.30 | CAMCAM | :) |
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| 14:48.09 | Twiun | but then we're going to end up with everyone who's got a pet project offering money (including developers so they can get some rest) |
| 14:48.56 | mickeyl | well... that's not quite the open source spirit. |
| 14:49.20 | Twiun | true enough - just being cynical |
| 14:49.33 | mickeyl | of course. |
| 14:50.10 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:50.29 | mickeyl | someone @ zaurus.com/dev/board recommended to sell precompiled Wellenreiter packages instead of creating a paypal account. |
| 14:50.57 | mickeyl | but it's not that I'd like to have money... i like to have contributors to the code |
| 14:51.24 | Twiun | right, it's also a headache to be the *only* maintainer for something |
| 14:51.40 | Twiun | what we're short on is time and developers |
| 14:51.52 | Twiun | not saying money's plentiful but it's not the bottleneck |
| 14:53.11 | mickeyl | well, OE is a step into the right direction. It will make it easier for other people to contribute. OZ buildroot was really too complicated for the-average-guy. |
| 14:53.38 | Twiun | true - although I'm a bit confused about something I read on the ml recently |
| 14:53.54 | Twiun | 'copy the .oe file to the new version number' springs to mind |
| 14:54.32 | Twiun | have I got that bit wrong or mixed up? |
| 14:54.58 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 14:55.12 | mickeyl | that guy just used the wrong versioning format, didn't he?= |
| 14:55.23 | mickeyl | package-version.oe instead of package_version.oe |
| 14:56.21 | Twiun | ah, right. Are versionnings still necessary or could we have a package_latest.oe? |
| 14:56.31 | Twiun | use the BK versionning instead of filenames? |
| 14:58.12 | Twiun | or make versions selectable at some higher abstraction? |
| 14:59.35 | Twiun | bbiab, useless meeting to attend |
| 15:06.58 | chouimat | morning |
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| 16:02.10 | Twiun | back |
| 16:04.24 | mickeyl | good, then I respond to your last question before going home :) |
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| 16:20.39 | bipolar | .o0(having no time sucks ass) |
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| 16:36.55 | bipolar | lpotter: do you have a feed with the rest of the apps built from that snapshot? |
| 16:49.45 | Twiun | kergoth: ever wrote a snippet for the acm RayTracing news? |
| 16:50.40 | Twiun | or are there more than one Chris Larsons in the world? |
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| 18:44.27 | CIA | repository=03buildroot user=11mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de |
| 18:44.27 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.1378 hey ljp, it helps to spell optimization correctly :-) |
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| 19:09.09 | Twiun | re |
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| 19:14.49 | Martyn | is there an ioctl() to determine if a device (/dev/scsi/xxx or /dev/sdx) is under the control of the USB or SBP2 driver? |
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| 19:17.41 | Dessimat0r | yo |
| 19:17.49 | Martyn | hello Dessimat0r |
| 19:18.50 | Dessimat0r | any new betas, alphas, or otherwise of OZ for Zaurus SL-5500? |
| 19:19.39 | Dessimat0r | flashable ones that don't need compilation ;) |
| 19:20.22 | Martyn | Hate to say this, but you might want to ask in #openzaurus :} |
| 19:20.31 | Dessimat0r | ah ;) |
| 19:23.05 | Twiun | Martyn: no idea, but have you had a quick look at those drivers to see if they export any useful IOCTLs? |
| 19:24.42 | Martyn | I did. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be anything terribly useful in there. |
| 19:25.12 | Martyn | Once they expose themselves as SCSI, those drives -stubbornly- look just like any other SCSI mass-storage device |
| 19:25.23 | Martyn | Which, for my application, is bad. |
| 19:30.45 | Dessimat0r | Is it possible to flash the bootstrap on the Zaurus SL-5500 ROM to an iPAQ one? I'm doing an experiment |
| 19:30.59 | treke|laptop | Dessimat0r: no |
| 19:31.02 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 19:31.30 | Dessimat0r | is it possible to flash iPaq ROM images? |
| 19:31.34 | treke|laptop | no |
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| 19:31.37 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 19:31.59 | Martyn | Nope .. different architectures |
| 19:32.01 | Martyn | Sorry |
| 19:32.07 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 19:32.09 | Martyn | (heck .. different BOOTLOADERS) :} |
| 19:32.20 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 19:32.25 | Twiun | Martyn: hrmph. what about using normal usb querying (to get devices) and correlation with available devices? |
| 19:32.30 | treke|laptop | Martyn: It's even simpler, the zaurus images dont have a kernel in them :) |
| 19:32.45 | treke|laptop | and the ipkg images dont contain /dev |
| 19:33.41 | Dessimat0r | What about flashing Dell Axim X5 ROM images? |
| 19:33.46 | treke|laptop | Dessimat0r: no |
| 19:33.48 | Dessimat0r | similar arch? |
| 19:33.49 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 19:34.06 | treke|laptop | Dessimat0r: The Axim doesnt have its own images. |
| 19:34.43 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 19:34.54 | treke|laptop | actually, it doesnt have any images |
| 19:35.07 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 19:35.20 | treke|laptop | since you can't flash an image onto the axim. |
| 19:35.34 | Dessimat0r | i see |
| 19:39.02 | Martyn | treke : That's been solved! -grin- Per Johannsen found a way a week ago. Still a hack, but quite hopeful! |
| 19:39.14 | treke|laptop | Martyn: oh? How? |
| 19:40.51 | Dessimat0r | I doubt what I want to do is impossible anyway - Windows Mobile 2003 onto Zaurus SL-5500 (just as an experiment, of course) |
| 19:41.00 | Martyn | treke : From what I read, you have to set a bitflag at 0xFFFFFFF, then soft-reset |
| 19:41.08 | Martyn | The bootloader picks that up, and then goes into a |
| 19:41.12 | Martyn | "flash me" mode |
| 19:41.36 | treke|laptop | Martyn: I'm still holding out hopes that someone will be able to scrape together a bootloader for it |
| 19:41.53 | Martyn | treke : Me too. |
| 19:42.08 | treke|laptop | I wonder what happened with that guy at dell who was working on the port |
| 19:42.11 | Martyn | treke : The Axim is such a nice piece of hardware, it would be a pity not to be able to run linux on it |
| 19:42.27 | pb_ | treke|laptop: I floated the cpu off of yours at the weekend, and started tracing the jtag signals. probably needs another couple of hours of work to finish locating them. |
| 19:42.41 | treke|laptop | sweet |
| 19:43.04 | Martyn | yahoo! |
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| 19:43.21 | treke|laptop | Martyn: It's a nice inexpensive device, would be perfect for a linux device :p |
| 19:43.30 | Martyn | pb_ : Gah ... I figure you don't plan on replacing the BGA part back onto that axim eh? |
| 19:43.36 | pb_ | heh, no. |
| 19:43.50 | Martyn | pb : Used the old "heatgun and patience" model eh? |
| 19:43.55 | pb_ | yup |
| 19:44.16 | Martyn | I just did the -exact- same thing with the new ViewSonic ARM-based tablet |
| 19:44.20 | treke|laptop | It gave it's life for a worthy cause |
| 19:45.38 | Martyn | Once I'm done using a logic analyzer on this thing, I intend to clean up the BGA pads, remask the paste, pin the new CPU back where the old one was ... and try to ressurect the board. |
| 19:45.44 | Martyn | If it doesn't work .. oh well. |
| 19:45.48 | Martyn | If it does, huzzah! |
| 19:46.17 | pb_ | heh, right. I don't have the patience to do that with the axim :-} |
| 19:46.20 | Martyn | Although I am SOOO upset that ViewSonic chose to use a -signed- bootloader |
| 19:46.48 | pb_ | wow, really? |
| 19:46.56 | Martyn | If they hadn't have done that, getting linux on this device would have been a breeze. As it is, all the OS binaries have to be digitally signed to get the machine to load them. |
| 19:47.09 | treke|laptop | lame. |
| 19:47.13 | Martyn | very lame |
| 19:47.32 | Martyn | They even activated ATA-security features on the hard disk .. a la Xbox |
| 19:47.43 | Martyn | the hard disk is likewise signed |
| 19:47.47 | Dessimat0r | :/ |
| 19:47.52 | Dessimat0r | a virtual prison |
| 19:47.56 | Martyn | try any other hard disk, and -poof- |
| 19:48.10 | pb_ | suck. |
| 19:48.31 | Martyn | So .. I -have- to replace the disk with a hitatchi, and that hitachi replacement HAS to have a ViewSonic signature on the controller safety ROM |
| 19:48.55 | Martyn | Oh yeah .. I'm SO looking forward to finding a way to put a new bootloader in this thing. |
| 19:49.00 | Martyn | Then I can run opie on it :] |
| 19:50.10 | treke|laptop | sadly, I'm guessing signed binaries and bootloaders are going to start getting more common |
| 19:50.21 | Martyn | true |
| 19:50.31 | Martyn | And this is definately Palladium starting to rear it's ugly head |
| 19:50.41 | Martyn | makes sense that the embedded market would be first |
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| 21:45.00 | ljp | smeels like gym locker room in here |
| 21:45.21 | Twiun | yo ljp |
| 21:45.39 | Twiun | ready for the session? |
| 21:48.18 | ljp | :) |
| 21:49.38 | ljp | well. looks like 'we have no plan to gpl qtawt' |
| 21:49.58 | Twiun | urgh. |
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| 21:50.00 | treke|laptop | how about lgpling it |
| 21:50.05 | ljp | heh |
| 21:50.17 | Martyn | Re treke |
| 21:50.19 | Twiun | any more stuff you're allowed to let out? |
| 21:50.20 | ljp | doubtful |
| 21:50.23 | Martyn | I found the post with the Axim-reflash howto |
| 21:50.27 | treke|laptop | swee |
| 21:50.35 | ljp | thats all the reply I got, really. |
| 21:50.36 | Martyn | treke : Would you like me to forward it to you? |
| 21:50.40 | treke|laptop | sure. |
| 21:50.48 | Martyn | It was on the axim-hack.de mailing list |
| 21:50.53 | Twiun | ljp: you mean I'm not going to get a nicely fleshed answer in email? |
| 21:51.03 | treke|laptop | good to hear about good news, haven't heard much from demo |
| 21:51.11 | ljp | I can email you that replay, if you wish :) |
| 21:51.14 | ljp | reply |
| 21:51.26 | Twiun | sure :) |
| 21:51.38 | treke|laptop | who Martyn |
| 21:51.45 | Twiun | ljp: it'd have been nice of them to have a reason or two |
| 21:51.48 | ljp | I can keep poking them for info on the development status of it - no one seems to know that |
| 21:51.50 | Martyn | treke : Per successfully took a flashROM image, erased it, and restored it back. Pretty good progress |
| 21:51.53 | treke|laptop | who did it |
| 21:52.06 | treke|laptop | ah. yeah Per Josomethingor other |
| 21:52.10 | Twiun | ljp: yeah, I'm curious about that too |
| 21:52.12 | Martyn | treke : Per Johannes ... yep. |
| 21:52.30 | Twiun | ljp: do let me know if pushing more won't be productive though |
| 21:52.51 | Martyn | Hopefully he'll have luck decompiling the flashROM bootloader, so that we can load something -else- |
| 21:53.13 | Martyn | without having to use an annoying chainloader, or having to boot from an SD card. |
| 21:53.20 | Twiun | ljp: oh and in the case it's a shut case, can you find out what the licensing terms are? |
| 21:53.36 | ljp | Twiun: pushing for gpl would be futile, I think. |
| 21:53.43 | Twiun | ljp: I'd be willing to use a closed source lib just to get kaffe on the Z |
| 21:53.56 | Twiun | ljp: not that I'm made of money or anything |
| 21:54.05 | treke|laptop | Martyn: would be cool |
| 21:54.20 | ljp | is kaffe lgpl? |
| 21:54.52 | Twiun | no it's gpl unfortunately... but if the lib is non-kaffe specific I think we can swing it |
| 21:55.04 | treke|laptop | ibot, seen demo? |
| 21:55.10 | | demo <~demo@wlanap2.nz.psg.sk> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 39d 23h 48m 4s ago, saying: 'brb ~5mins'. |
| 21:55.18 | Twiun | at least that's debian-legal's point of view for GNU Classpath |
| 21:55.23 | treke|laptop | ah yes. Long 5 minutes |
| 21:56.04 | Twiun | ljp: _or_ I can haggle out a deal with the kaffe guys and license it for $1 ;) |
| 21:56.26 | Twiun | ljp: well... probably more, but you get the idea |
| 21:57.18 | treke|laptop | I take it you've given up on wonka? :p |
| 21:57.32 | Twiun | treke|laptop: not really me - they've taken a different direction |
| 21:57.41 | Twiun | treke|laptop: their priorities aren't suited to PDAs |
| 21:57.56 | Twiun | treke|laptop: and I don't have the $$$ to persuade them otherwise |
| 21:58.09 | Twiun | or the time frankly. |
| 21:58.26 | Twiun | Kaffe has come much further than Wonka has over the past year |
| 22:00.01 | treke|laptop | is kaffe acctually useful for anything yet? |
| 22:00.53 | Twiun | they got it to run Eclipse: http://www.klomp.org/mark/classpath/Screenshot-Kaffe-Eclipse3.png |
| 22:01.18 | Twiun | treke|laptop: and this is what I meant about development of late: http://www.kaffe.org/~robilad/loc.png |
| 22:01.39 | treke|laptop | shiite |
| 22:02.05 | Twiun | they've got 5 or 6 nutcases coding all hours of the day :) |
| 22:02.34 | Twiun | but actually... I should run statcvs against the wonka tree, just to compare |
| 22:02.38 | ljp | cant kaffe just use the qtawt thats there? |
| 22:03.21 | Twiun | ljp: no headers, no docs, no libs... oh and libawt that comes with jeode isn't the raw qtawt, it's some hybrid they build inhouse |
| 22:04.00 | Twiun | ljp: not to mention that TT's QtAWT is buggy as hell |
| 22:04.07 | Twiun | ljp: no offense ;) |
| 22:04.48 | Twiun | treke|laptop: btw, latest screenshot: http://www.klomp.org/mark/classpath/eclipse-gnome-gij.png |
| 22:05.05 | Twiun | treke|laptop: not kaffe this time, gcc's java interpreter |
| 22:05.30 | Twiun | treke|laptop: both Kaffe and gcj/gij use GNU Classpath to some extent |
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| 22:08.31 | ljp | hmm |
| 22:08.47 | ljp | dont push Ctrl+Alt +F1 in kde |
| 22:08.58 | ljp | or maybe thats an X thing |
| 22:09.58 | Twiun | got my dig at QtAWT at least? |
| 22:10.04 | _Psycho_ | ctrl alt f1 only swtich to terminal ? |
| 22:10.05 | ljp | nope |
| 22:10.16 | _Psycho_ | then ctrl alt f7 to come back ? :) |
| 22:10.23 | Twiun | ljp: no headers, no docs, no libs... oh and libawt that comes with jeode isn't the raw qtawt, it's some hybrid they build inhouse |
| 22:10.29 | Twiun | ljp: not to mention that TT's QtAWT is buggy as hell |
| 22:10.32 | Twiun | ljp: no offense ;) |
| 22:10.39 | ljp | I dunno what it does, but I found myself at console |
| 22:10.47 | ljp | what!?!? buggy? |
| 22:10.56 | _Psycho_ | thats what it does ! |
| 22:10.57 | _Psycho_ | ;) |
| 22:11.25 | Twiun | ljp: perhaps much less than my qteAWT stuff, but yeah, buggy... and old from all accounts |
| 22:12.36 | ljp | you cant write oss qtqwt alt? |
| 22:12.41 | ljp | qtawt |
| 22:12.56 | Twiun | that's what qteAWT is - but it's a hell of a lot of work |
| 22:13.10 | Twiun | ljp: ask TT how long it took their team of 3 ;) |
| 22:13.47 | ljp | it was outsourced |
| 22:13.58 | Twiun | yeah, 3 contractors |
| 22:14.07 | chouimat | huh? |
| 22:14.15 | Twiun | I know of one, dunno who the others are |
| 22:15.34 | Twiun | ljp: anyway, biggest problem is time - I seem to be the only one knowledgeable/willing to do the work atm and time is what I haven't got much left of |
| 22:15.55 | Twiun | ljp: did I show you the current screenshots? |
| 22:16.07 | Twiun | well... current... current as of quite a few months ago |
| 22:16.44 | ljp | havent seen those |
| 22:16.49 | Twiun | ljp: http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/ has a shot of what it should look like at the bottom |
| 22:17.11 | Twiun | (the bottom one being a screenshot of Jeode running that game) |
| 22:17.23 | Twiun | and that's using Wonka, not even Kaffe |
| 22:17.55 | Twiun | ljp: side by side http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/wonka/image.png |
| 22:18.27 | _Psycho_ | hmmm |
| 22:18.30 | Twiun | I've learned some more about AWT internals since then though so I should get some of that going again |
| 22:19.04 | Twiun | _Psycho_: yeah, I know, no menus on the wonka screenshot ;) |
| 22:19.17 | Twiun | _Psycho_: menus are easy - I was leaving them 'till last |
| 22:19.29 | _Psycho_ | hehe that was jsut a hmmm interesting =) |
| 22:19.41 | _Psycho_ | brb ! |
| 22:20.20 | Twiun | _Psycho_: interesting, more of my work: framebuffer AWT --> http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp?section=Java+Extensions&subsection=fbAWT |
| 22:20.35 | Twiun | both kinda parallel each other |
| 22:20.47 | Twiun | fbAWT is definately for use without Qt though |
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| 22:39.02 | bipolar | ljp: does the build you posted an initrd for have a feed with the other apps? |
| 22:41.06 | ljp | hmmm... nope |
| 22:41.19 | ljp | suppose I could put one up |
| 22:41.22 | mickey|home | got a change to you fix the outstanding issues yet? |
| 22:42.03 | ljp | not yet |
| 22:42.04 | bipolar | ljp: if you don't want the hassle I have a place for them.... hell, I could just put them in the oz unstable feed. They seem to work well so far. |
| 22:42.35 | ljp | well, I have to move them somewhere.. :) |
| 22:43.06 | bipolar | ohh... gotta go. email me at "bflong at longbros.com" if you want me to post them. :) |
| 22:45.46 | ljp | i should really post a new image as well] |
| 22:56.40 | Twiun | right, I'm off to bed |
| 22:57.09 | Twiun | ljp: can you email me that statememt so I can email you back some licensing questions? |
| 22:58.35 | chouimat | kergoth: ping |
| 22:59.27 | CosmicPenguin | Gah! I've got 4 gigs of OZ trees |
| 23:00.14 | ljp | yep |
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