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| 00:20.26 | Virusmaster | could someone with ipkg experience lend me a hand? :) |
| 00:21.30 | Virusmaster | when i install a package to root, all works just fine |
| 00:21.56 | Virusmaster | when i install it to CF or SD, it just "loses" the binary... its just gone, nowhere to find |
| 00:22.03 | Virusmaster | ideas? |
| 00:22.53 | kergoth | wrong channel. |
| 00:23.07 | Virusmaster | #openzaurus? |
| 00:24.11 | Virusmaster | i mix that two channels up every time :) |
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| 00:30.26 | W8TVI|laptop | hmmm |
| 00:30.28 | W8TVI|laptop | there I am |
| 00:30.31 | W8TVI|laptop | hi me! |
| 00:30.49 | Virusmaster | :) |
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| 02:24.24 | Marsupilami23 | Anyone actually install a GCC3 base on a Zaurus 5500 yet? |
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| 02:36.10 | lp_meeting | bleh |
| 02:36.20 | lp_meeting | thank god its lunchtime |
| 02:38.49 | Marsupilami23 | Mmmmmm.... Lunch.... |
| 02:39.08 | chouimat | lp_meeting was dinner time 3 hours ago |
| 02:41.55 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:41.58 | TheMasterMind1 | i saw it last week |
| 02:42.05 | treke|laptop | figure another year to go for season 3 :p |
| 02:42.09 | TheMasterMind1 | torrent was available |
| 02:42.23 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1 shaddap |
| 02:42.51 | TheMasterMind1 | the end has an insane twist |
| 02:42.54 | CosmicPenguin | Ratings were horrible about hour 9 of season 1, and they were going to change it |
| 02:43.08 | TheMasterMind1 | end as in 3:00 on this season |
| 02:43.52 | CosmicPenguin | TheMasterMind1: we don't care |
| 02:44.05 | TheMasterMind1 | yes you do |
| 02:47.35 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: I watching it damn it .... I will /kick you if you speak more |
| 02:48.54 | chouimat | ;) |
| 02:59.17 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1 insane twist??? |
| 02:59.34 | chouimat | ok I'm off for a while |
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| 03:18.24 | Marsupilami23 | WB kergoth |
| 03:21.25 | Marsupilami23 | Just out of curiosity, why is there a avr-libc for embedded systems? |
| 03:21.48 | Marsupilami23 | nevermind, I don't know how to ask the question |
| 03:22.55 | Marsupilami23 | I guess my question is: Does the Zaurus use the avr-libc? |
| 03:24.35 | TheMasterMind1 | no.. |
| 03:25.46 | Marsupilami23 | ok, cuz they didn't build anyways |
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| 04:03.16 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: damn TV show |
| 04:04.28 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 04:05.49 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: that was my 50th hour of 24. When will i learn that it pisses you off every single week? |
| 04:06.23 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: yup the end is twisted |
| 04:07.22 | chouimat | hmmm I should a) buy those cd again or b) transfert the tape on cd ... |
| 04:12.51 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: I just watched Gilmore Girls and they had Sebastian Bach staring in tonight episode ... |
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| 04:23.19 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe, i was surprised to see him |
| 04:24.33 | chouimat | kergoth: I realy need to get the first and third skirow album ... I have them on tape but ... |
| 04:54.37 | chouimat | night |
| 05:04.25 | kergoth | lp_meeting: meeting's'll do that |
| 05:04.29 | kergoth | s/'s/s/ |
| 05:07.12 | Marsupilami23 | Or staring at your computer all day/night long will do that too. |
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| 05:48.17 | W8TVI | hey kergoth, forget to add #magnia to your autojoin again? :P |
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| 07:12.17 | lp_meeting | kergoth: especially meetings lasting more than one day |
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| 07:14.40 | heatxsink | ibot seen tcman |
| 07:14.42 | | tcman <~dominik@adsl-64-170-122-123.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 6d 20h 53m 15s ago, saying: 'good night'. |
| 07:15.25 | mithro | ibot seen Twuin |
| 07:15.25 | | mithro: i haven't seen 'twuin' |
| 07:15.34 | mithro | ibot seen Twiun |
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| 08:20.21 | lpotter | hmm |
| 08:20.52 | fishhead | goodnight all |
| 08:22.30 | lpotter | ite |
| 08:22.33 | lpotter | nite |
| 08:22.52 | lpotter | except it's still daytime |
| 08:29.14 | W8TVI | its 3:29am |
| 08:29.34 | mithro | it' 7:04 pm here |
| 08:33.20 | lpotter | 18:29 |
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| 12:23.35 | mithro | Neo|Work: you about at all? |
| 12:23.46 | mithro | ibot seen NeoTron |
| 12:23.48 | | neotron <~neotron@c-67-163-104-49.client.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #pet, 26d 20h 42m 11s ago, saying: 'sucks. :)'. |
| 12:23.59 | mithro | ibot seen Neo|Work |
| 12:23.59 | | neo|work is currently on #zaurus (1d 20h 21m 21s) #openembedded (1d 20h 21m 21s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 19h 16m 57s |
| 12:24.32 | Twiun | probably still asleed ;) |
| 12:24.38 | Twiun | he'll be on Dallas time |
| 12:26.21 | mithro | okay |
| 12:26.36 | Twiun | s/asleed/asleep/ |
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| 12:57.53 | Twiun | hey mickeyl |
| 12:58.03 | mickeyl | hi Twiun |
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| 14:02.39 | mithro | anyone know a good light graphic editiing program |
| 14:02.59 | Twiun | platform? |
| 14:03.07 | mithro | linux gtk |
| 14:03.26 | mithro | all i want to do is add antialiased text to a picture |
| 14:04.32 | Twiun | don't already have gimp installed? |
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| 14:08.46 | mithro__ | bah my laptop decided it was a good time to just reset |
| 14:09.10 | Twiun | yeah, they do that sometimes |
| 14:11.26 | mithro__ | any idea on that paint program |
| 14:11.27 | Twiun | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.46 | mithro | i think the battery is dead |
| 14:11.52 | mithro | i accidently pulled the power cord |
| 14:13.07 | mithro | t |
| 14:14.07 | Twiun | yeah, I was asking about gimp |
| 14:14.15 | Twiun | that's reasonably lightweight ;) |
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| 14:22.12 | mithro | well that was fun |
| 14:22.23 | Twiun | indeed |
| 14:23.06 | Twiun | you sure it wasn't the the power cord for freenode you yanked? |
| 14:23.13 | mithro | he he no :) |
| 14:26.59 | Twiun | you never answered about gimp though |
| 14:31.37 | mithro | [00:48] <Twiun> yeah, I was asking about gimp |
| 14:31.37 | mithro | [00:49] <Twiun> that's reasonably lightweight ;) |
| 14:31.37 | mithro | [00:53] <mithro> like USA's war effort? |
| 14:32.01 | Twiun | oh - didn't see that ;) |
| 14:32.22 | Twiun | sorry... well in that case... erm. no. I don't know any other paint programs |
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| 14:50.47 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:50.58 | Twiun | afternoon |
| 14:51.12 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:20.04 | kolla | toodidoo |
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| 15:47.33 | Neo|Work | mithro: hmm? |
| 15:48.50 | Twiun | hiya kergoth, Neo, Tim |
| 15:52.59 | treke|bed | holy crap, disabling check for new messages in evolution speeds the fucker way up |
| 15:56.29 | mithro | Neo|Work! |
| 16:02.19 | Neo|Work | treke|bed: It also fixes the annoying problem with getting new email all the time! |
| 16:02.31 | treke|bed | hehe |
| 16:02.48 | treke|bed | I'm just more concerned with the problem of it taking a half hour to open any mailbox :) |
| 16:10.57 | treke|bed | fun. imapd is using all the pu time on one of the cpus :) |
| 16:14.34 | treke|bed | maybe I'll try reiserfs |
| 16:15.02 | mithro | which imap? |
| 16:15.14 | treke|bed | mithro: courier at the moment. |
| 16:15.40 | Twiun | treke|bed: tried dovecot? |
| 16:15.49 | treke|bed | not heard of it |
| 16:17.00 | treke|bed | I'm guessing the problem is elsewhere on the system then imapd :) |
| 16:25.51 | Twiun | depends... could be you've got a server-side filter |
| 16:27.25 | treke|bed | Never done anything with the imap server short of installing it |
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| 16:56.57 | treke | wtf is with ljp |
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| 17:30.43 | treke|laptop | kergoth, now I see how virtual desktops got so popular. Crappy window managers :p |
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| 17:32.50 | chouimat | re |
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| 17:39.59 | masticator | bloody hell |
| 17:40.13 | masticator | I hate it when shit compiles fine and then it segfaults |
| 17:40.38 | masticator | damn PINE segfaults after I compiled it on this IBM box |
| 17:40.50 | masticator | but pico and everything else executes fine |
| 17:41.30 | Twiun | PINE is a hassle to build though, completely non-standard |
| 17:43.54 | kergoth | yay for mutt |
| 17:43.55 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:44.30 | treke|laptop | :p |
| 17:45.04 | masticator | whats mutt |
| 17:45.10 | masticator | is it as good as pine? |
| 17:45.19 | kergoth | its as good as pine, but has a completely different interface |
| 17:45.20 | Twiun | masticator: how many people have taken you up on the accounts offer? |
| 17:45.28 | masticator | quite a few |
| 17:45.35 | masticator | I have the GMP folks building stuff on it |
| 17:45.50 | masticator | not sure if the kaffee guy has used it at all |
| 17:46.07 | treke|laptop | mutt has mail threading, thats reason enough for me :p |
| 17:46.16 | kergoth | Pd = JP + GXd + HYd + I |
| 17:46.22 | kergoth | *almost* done |
| 17:46.41 | Twiun | what will you have to show for all this hard work? |
| 17:47.20 | kergoth | 4 or 5 useful tslib modules |
| 17:47.27 | masticator | hey, mutt is already on the box |
| 17:47.58 | treke|laptop | hehe, mutt has a reasonable license, so people ship it :p |
| 17:48.44 | treke|laptop | is Kontact your new cat? |
| 17:48.56 | masticator | I hate the default clors though |
| 17:49.04 | masticator | how do you create a new message in mutt? |
| 17:49.08 | treke|laptop | m |
| 17:49.08 | chouimat | treke|laptop: http://kontact.kde.org/ |
| 17:50.45 | masticator | gross, mutt behaves like vi |
| 17:50.46 | masticator | fuck that |
| 17:50.53 | treke|laptop | behaves like vi? |
| 17:51.04 | masticator | the composer does |
| 17:51.14 | treke|laptop | erm, that is vi :) |
| 17:51.30 | masticator | I dont do vi |
| 17:51.47 | Twiun | emacs person or pico person? |
| 17:51.56 | masticator | pico |
| 17:51.58 | masticator | or nano |
| 17:52.00 | PsyVampyr | Twiun: nano |
| 17:52.09 | treke|laptop | mutt just spawns whatever is set in $VISUAL or $EDITOR |
| 17:52.17 | treke|laptop | masticator, install nano and make it your editor. |
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| 18:20.20 | masticator | friggin sendmail |
| 18:20.24 | masticator | I hate it with a passion |
| 18:20.33 | masticator | I hate it when it gets clogged |
| 18:20.50 | treke|laptop | postfix? |
| 18:21.00 | masticator | whatever comes with redhat |
| 18:21.07 | masticator | postfix I think |
| 18:21.22 | Twiun | what's you mail volume that it'd get clogged? |
| 18:21.28 | Twiun | s/you/your/ |
| 18:21.29 | masticator | nada |
| 18:21.34 | masticator | brand new box |
| 18:21.51 | gb2 | probably sendmail if you're not sure |
| 18:21.51 | masticator | I thought perhaps it was the firewall but it wasnt |
| 18:22.03 | masticator | just stopped it and started it |
| 18:22.03 | gb2 | redhat ships postfix, but it's not configured |
| 18:22.05 | masticator | seemed to fix it |
| 18:22.37 | masticator | nothing in mailq now |
| 18:22.38 | Twiun | do you have webmin on that box? |
| 18:22.39 | treke|laptop | redhat is a pain in the ass sometimes |
| 18:22.49 | masticator | there was 29 messages before |
| 18:22.55 | gb2 | treke: i've not run into problems with it |
| 18:23.09 | gb2 | i find debian to be a pain in the ass if you want to run anything recent |
| 18:23.11 | masticator | I havent isntalled apache on the box yet |
| 18:23.36 | treke|laptop | gb2, usually I dont care much about recent |
| 18:23.42 | treke|laptop | beyond php and mysql :) |
| 18:24.13 | Twiun | masticator: webmin doesn't use apache, only perl |
| 18:25.08 | masticator | I normally use cpanel |
| 18:25.56 | gb2 | treke: that seems to fit what i've seen of most debian users |
| 18:26.25 | yeiazel | errr |
| 18:26.27 | kergoth | debian isnt a pain in the ass for recent things |
| 18:26.37 | yeiazel | I'm running many recent things |
| 18:26.37 | treke|laptop | gb2, yup. |
| 18:26.43 | kergoth | use unstable, and beyond that there is almost always either an experimental branch or an external apt feed to use |
| 18:26.44 | yeiazel | just using unstable |
| 18:26.46 | treke|laptop | yeiazel, you arent using stable :) |
| 18:26.47 | kergoth | so you dont have to build jack |
| 18:26.52 | yeiazel | and 1 or 2 packages from experimental |
| 18:27.04 | yeiazel | and 1 or 2 external feeds |
| 18:27.05 | yeiazel | :) |
| 18:27.09 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:27.19 | yeiazel | treke|laptop: using stable on a desktop is *D.U.M.B. |
| 18:27.22 | yeiazel | oops |
| 18:27.23 | yeiazel | treke|laptop: using stable on a desktop is *D.U.M.B.* |
| 18:27.27 | yeiazel | :) |
| 18:27.31 | kergoth | for the occasional one that isnt anywhere, and doesnt have a debian/ dir, you just use deb-make |
| 18:27.40 | kergoth | to build a skeleton debian/ dir, customize, and ta da, .deb |
| 18:27.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:27.45 | yeiazel | kergoth: does that really exist ? |
| 18:27.54 | kergoth | apt-cache show deb-make |
| 18:28.03 | yeiazel | I've always found deb packages for anything I've ever wanted |
| 18:28.15 | kergoth | gift for example wasnt easy to locate |
| 18:28.18 | yeiazel | didn't know there were things not deb-packaged |
| 18:28.18 | kergoth | particularly recent cvs |
| 18:28.20 | yeiazel | :] |
| 18:28.22 | kergoth | (giFT that is) |
| 18:28.29 | kergoth | its in unstable now, but wasnt then |
| 18:28.34 | kergoth | so just built em |
| 18:28.38 | yeiazel | heh :) |
| 18:28.46 | yeiazel | I don't use there illegal things |
| 18:28.51 | yeiazel | s/there/these/ |
| 18:28.52 | yeiazel | </troll> |
| 18:28.56 | treke|laptop | yeiazel, Desktops arent the entire world :) |
| 18:28.56 | kergoth | bah |
| 18:29.18 | treke|laptop | the upside is that it usually doesnt take more than a few hours to backport from unstable |
| 18:29.22 | yeiazel | treke|laptop: I'm talking about desktops, laptops, or whatever a wortkstation can be |
| 18:29.32 | yeiazel | and for a server, you DON'T WANT anything recent |
| 18:29.34 | yeiazel | :] |
| 18:29.52 | treke|laptop | occaisionally something recent is needed :) |
| 18:29.55 | yeiazel | you want *stable* software |
| 18:30.25 | kergoth | there are occasions to get non stable software on servers. |
| 18:30.35 | kergoth | but yeah, its not that hard to backport |
| 18:30.57 | treke|laptop | just time consuming |
| 18:31.10 | treke|laptop | less so than redhat imo though :) |
| 18:31.31 | kergoth | Pd = JPw + X0((P0-P1)/(X0-X1)) + Y0((P0-P3)/(Y0-Y3)) + I |
| 18:32.31 | Twiun | what is that stuff? |
| 18:32.41 | kergoth | I'm "calibrating" pressure results from a touchscreen panel |
| 18:32.46 | kergoth | bringing them all within a known range |
| 18:33.00 | kergoth | since they arent consistant across this panel |
| 18:33.24 | Twiun | ahhhh |
| 18:33.40 | kergoth | so basically need a formula to calculate scaled pressure based on x/y coord |
| 18:33.47 | kergoth | since thats the key factor |
| 18:35.14 | kergoth | err actually, s/Pd/P0/ |
| 18:35.25 | kergoth | point 0 of our set of 5 calibration points is that |
| 18:35.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:36.01 | gb2 | yeiazel: it depends on what the server is doing |
| 18:36.18 | kergoth | where Pw is the median of the desired pressure range |
| 18:38.29 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 18:41.18 | Twiun | hiya pb |
| 18:41.31 | kergoth | hey pb_ |
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| 19:14.16 | treke|laptop | welcome proto. |
| 19:14.33 | Twiun | hiya proto |
| 19:14.40 | proto | thanks, thought i'd drop by |
| 19:14.42 | treke|laptop | TimRiker, ping |
| 19:15.13 | pb_ | hi treke|* |
| 19:17.56 | proto | i heard from shawn TimRiker was looking for me earlier |
| 19:19.13 | ljp | yup |
| 19:21.30 | treke|laptop | proto, Just curious, how are you doing the themes in tkcrom, LD_PRELOAD tricks? |
| 19:24.10 | kergoth | woo, almost done with pressure calibration |
| 19:24.33 | proto | if I had the full QPE source from sharp i would love to tell you |
| 19:24.37 | kergoth | then i need a module to attempt to compensate for predictable touchscreen delinearity towards the edges.. |
| 19:26.27 | proto | I am curious why you decided to move to 2.4.21 |
| 19:26.43 | kergoth | we were rewriting half the drivers anyway |
| 19:26.50 | kergoth | makes no sense to move to something non-current |
| 19:27.25 | proto | true... but it will always be depriciated before release comes anyways |
| 19:28.13 | treke|laptop | doubt 2.4 will change much beyond .21 |
| 19:29.25 | kergoth | indeed. |
| 19:29.38 | kergoth | after i move the other Z model support into our .21 tree i'll start on the 2.6 support |
| 19:31.53 | proto | so kergoth from the bk logs it looks like you mostly do kernel work right? and ofcourse fundemental OE work as well with some opie commits |
| 19:32.20 | kergoth | yeah i tend to work wherever its needed. mostly backend stuff though |
| 19:32.23 | kergoth | gui work and i dont get along |
| 19:32.34 | kergoth | so kernel and general userspace stuff, packaging and buildsystems, primarily |
| 19:34.34 | proto | thats cool... i played with the old build system for quite a while but it just didn't get along nicely with my getnoo dev box... how much work is left on OE to get it for the most part functional enough to build a base filesystem? |
| 19:35.00 | kergoth | it can build a base now. no gui apps in it yet though |
| 19:35.05 | kergoth | just console bits |
| 19:35.07 | kergoth | treke is working on X |
| 19:35.14 | kergoth | i'm reworking opie's buildsystem before adding it |
| 19:35.20 | kergoth | lorn/ljp will add qtopia |
| 19:35.25 | kergoth | (*cough* right ljp?) |
| 19:36.43 | treke|laptop | ok. thats enough of gnome. |
| 19:36.44 | proto | what archs does this support (providing a usable toolchain is in place) |
| 19:36.51 | kergoth | any |
| 19:37.02 | kergoth | no limitation, besides the apps we build |
| 19:37.06 | kergoth | its conceivable that some suck |
| 19:37.13 | kergoth | i've done native x86 builds on both linux and cygwin |
| 19:37.18 | kergoth | and both ppc and arm targets under both |
| 19:39.22 | proto | and what about Opie, what is the going on with it? are there still developers? |
| 19:39.36 | kergoth | a few. not nearly enough, but its still being worked on |
| 19:39.36 | treke|laptop | some. |
| 19:41.13 | proto | the licensing bit probablyu scared people off... do you ever hear from TT about their thoughts on it |
| 19:41.54 | proto | bad spelling... there wasn't supposed to be a u in there |
| 19:41.54 | treke|laptop | the licensing isnt the problem. Users scare people off |
| 19:42.08 | kergoth | the consensus among us is that you're' fine unless you try to ship commercial products on an opie rom on a release product |
| 19:42.12 | kergoth | but that the users shoudl be fine |
| 19:42.18 | kergoth | but nobody's really made a stand and said the way it is |
| 19:42.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:42.21 | kergoth | unfortunately |
| 19:45.34 | proto | yeah... the product is fine but nothing commercial can be bundled with it... have you tried making commits for qtopia to TT? |
| 19:46.27 | treke|laptop | I think everyone more or less gave up on tt |
| 19:46.48 | proto | i understand that Opie has some very nice features... but i don't see why in the open source community we need to duplicate software so often... |
| 19:46.58 | treke|laptop | proto, Because there was no other option? |
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| 19:47.17 | treke|laptop | proto, when opie was started it there wasnt any other choice |
| 19:48.34 | kergoth | i'd like to see us work with TT on libqpe and only focus on applications, myself |
| 19:48.40 | proto | yeah... i guess thats the joys of having a "competing" product using the same base that the "competition" built... the term competition is used extremely lightly here |
| 19:48.49 | kergoth | proto: TT has never cooperated. |
| 19:48.56 | kergoth | proto: that may improve now that lorn works there |
| 19:49.14 | treke|laptop | proto, there was no competing product at the time. There were simply bugs that werent being addressed. |
| 19:49.59 | treke|laptop | proto, There was a fairly huge usability bug in the address book for a couple of months that never was touched until one of tt's rare cvs merges |
| 19:50.19 | proto | yeah... i guess it did make TT move faster on fixing their stuff |
| 19:50.24 | treke|laptop | as an example. |
| 19:50.46 | kergoth | the goal wasnt to make TT move faster, it was to allow us to provide a usable system to users in the interim |
| 19:51.02 | treke|laptop | they obviously had it fixed, since it wasnt broken on the sharp releases, they just hadnt been releasing on a regular basis. |
| 19:51.43 | proto | i have nothing against opie at all... i just needed complete compatibility... something that was broken along the way |
| 19:51.45 | treke|laptop | also need to keep in mind the time frame, this was happening back about the time the 5500 was being released |
| 19:52.12 | kergoth | proto: you might want to consider using the OE/OZ base with either a recent TT qtopia or sharp's qtopia on top |
| 19:52.35 | kergoth | since its being actively worked on, theres no point in duplicating effort further |
| 19:52.35 | treke|laptop | opie should be pretty well compatible with tt's qtopia. Sharps is another story. |
| 19:52.43 | kergoth | yeah, bastards. |
| 19:54.20 | proto | sharp has modified alot of the qtopia dist from TT's release.. and that has broken alot of compat with other devices running qtopia as well |
| 19:54.28 | treke|laptop | yup. |
| 19:54.44 | treke|laptop | I think it will hurt them in the long run |
| 19:54.53 | treke|laptop | assuming there is a long run for sharp |
| 19:55.59 | proto | they have made some very nice changes on the other hand... but they modified too much of the code... as well anyone who touches libsl will be stuck on any other device |
| 19:56.04 | ljp | yes, I will get to adding Qtopia to oe.. soon |
| 19:56.30 | treke|laptop | dtm is also a pain. |
| 19:56.44 | treke|laptop | wonder if anyone has tried reverse engineering it |
| 19:56.46 | proto | dtm is such a pain! |
| 19:57.05 | treke|laptop | one of those things we can't support since it's closed :) |
| 19:59.14 | treke|laptop | ljp, question, does quickexec need any changes in the launcher itself, or is it just the little loader app? |
| 20:00.00 | ljp | quickexec? you mean quicklaunch? |
| 20:00.13 | treke|laptop | the shit sharp uses. |
| 20:00.20 | ljp | ahh. |
| 20:00.45 | treke|laptop | In other words, if I wanted to wiggle support for it into opie, would I just be pissing in the wind? |
| 20:01.10 | ljp | opie already has quicklaunch technology, doesn;t need quickexec |
| 20:01.37 | treke|laptop | OZ users would appreciate quickexec. |
| 20:01.40 | ljp | quickexec is an early version of quicklaunch |
| 20:02.00 | treke|laptop | since they probably want hancomm, jeode, sharps mail app. |
| 20:02.21 | ljp | not all apps have to be quicklaunched |
| 20:02.34 | ljp | old apps will work fine |
| 20:02.35 | treke|laptop | ljp, the ones I just mentioned do. |
| 20:02.45 | ljp | ahh |
| 20:02.47 | treke|laptop | That is how sharp built them. |
| 20:02.56 | ljp | hm |
| 20:03.17 | ljp | it might comflict woth quickexec |
| 20:03.25 | treke|laptop | Ideally it would be nice if opie could handle both, with the preference going to quicklaunch. |
| 20:03.37 | ljp | but I havent looked into it, I can ask today at work, they know more about them than me |
| 20:03.39 | treke|laptop | I just don't know how deep into qpe the stuff for both of them run. |
| 20:05.04 | ljp | I _think_ quickexec is not as deep into qpe as quicklaunch |
| 20:05.21 | treke|laptop | cool. |
| 20:05.34 | treke|laptop | code might even still be there |
| 20:05.38 | ljp | but let me ask to get better details |
| 20:06.13 | treke|laptop | backwards compatibility is such a pain :p |
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| 20:08.56 | cmartin | hi |
| 20:09.04 | mickeyl | hey cmartin |
| 20:09.08 | mickeyl | long time no see |
| 20:09.09 | mickeyl | how're you? |
| 20:09.21 | cmartin | busy, very busy |
| 20:09.51 | cmartin | bad for the opensimpad project, but good for my employer ;) |
| 20:10.06 | mickeyl | ah well - don't worry. opie is stalling anyway |
| 20:10.17 | mickeyl | cmartin: however it would be nice to have a Opie 1.0.2 feed |
| 20:10.21 | mickeyl | now that it's out |
| 20:10.53 | cmartin | mickeyl: does it build correctly from buildroot? |
| 20:11.02 | proto | does opie still use libqpe? i am talking about if you only want to make a base dist using opie apps... |
| 20:11.35 | cmartin | if so i could build it and update the feed - that could be done by the weekend - i should find some time for that |
| 20:11.36 | mickeyl | cmartin: BRANCH_1_0 should compile fine |
| 20:11.55 | mickeyl | proto: we talked about that, but given our personnel resources, that's a very long time project which may never see the light of day |
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| 20:12.52 | cmartin | mickeyl: you mentioned in the forum that there's a document explaining how to transition packages from buildroot to oe |
| 20:13.02 | proto | mickeyl: i hear ya |
| 20:13.18 | mickeyl | cmartin: wanna give us a hand? would be fine. check the new buildroot docs/ directory |
| 20:13.23 | cmartin | mickeyl: i couldn't find it while browsing oe - or do i have to clone to get the doc |
| 20:14.16 | cmartin | mickeyl: yes i would like to help out - as my spare time will allow |
| 20:14.39 | mickeyl | cmartin: http://openembedded.bkbits.net:8080/oe/src/doc?nav=index.html|src/. |
| 20:14.49 | ljp | proto: opie uses a slightly modified libqpe |
| 20:15.20 | mickeyl | interesting chat, but I must leave to cinema... |
| 20:15.22 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 20:15.29 | cmartin | k, got it |
| 20:15.49 | cmartin | mickey|matrix: revolutions? |
| 20:16.40 | proto | ljp: what are some of the differences? |
| 20:17.26 | ljp | good quesion |
| 20:17.55 | ljp | but it is compatible with qtopia, for the most part |
| 20:19.26 | proto | yeah... for the most part... maybe i'll just sift through the code and see what i can find |
| 20:21.41 | ljp | some device things have been offloaded to libopie |
| 20:22.38 | proto | what device specific code do you think? |
| 20:23.19 | kergoth | proto: things like how to suspend/resume, how to handle hardware keys, etc are offloaded |
| 20:25.28 | proto | kergoth: ok that makes sence... so all device specifics are going to be in libopie... does openembedded have any configuration options where you can inject different code if wanted or is this at a package level done before putting it into OE? |
| 20:26.00 | ljp | patches |
| 20:26.14 | ljp | if thats what you mean |
| 20:26.54 | proto | OE presumably fully supports patched and scripting for patches to be done on build then? or atleast will? |
| 20:27.33 | ljp | yes. handles patches very well |
| 20:27.33 | kergoth | the build system can obtain sources, obtain any arbitrary patchset, unpack, patch, compile, stage, install, and package |
| 20:30.51 | proto | i didn't know how far along OE was |
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| 20:32.58 | treke | ooops. |
| 20:33.03 | treke | I turned spam filtering off. |
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| 20:42.59 | TimRiker | proto: nod. saw your name passed by. |
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| 20:43.53 | proto | TimRiker: yeah, i heard you had been looking for me earlier |
| 20:46.39 | proto | TimRiker: did you have any questions? |
| 20:48.44 | TimRiker | msg? |
| 20:48.46 | treke | proto: the stuff offloaded to libopie is mostly backend stuff that isnt really app visible |
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| 20:54.42 | kergoth | proto: personally i'd like to move _device detection_ into a core c lib that libopie happens to use to make its decisions, but right now both detection and operation based on that detection are in libopie |
| 20:55.21 | treke | libopie also has some new widgets, and the pim access stuff in it |
| 20:55.50 | treke | probably fairly similar to tkc's library |
| 20:59.28 | treke | mithro--: SDL already works |
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| 21:00.49 | treke | mithro--: http://ent.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/sdl.sh |
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| 21:01.05 | Bernardo | hi |
| 21:01.19 | treke | mithro--: http://www.self-core.org/~kaoru-k/wiki/LibSdlOnLinuxZaurus.html |
| 21:03.44 | Bernardo | treke: does that version of libsdl work with scummvm? |
| 21:03.59 | treke | yes |
| 21:04.49 | treke | kergoth: you know what I never considered? |
| 21:05.00 | kergoth | hm? |
| 21:05.24 | treke | kergoth: there may be some logic in hardware scaling the touch screen values that we dont know how to trigger on the c7x0 |
| 21:06.07 | kergoth | possible |
| 21:12.34 | pb_ | treke: it'd be pretty wacky to have touchscreen scaling. |
| 21:13.03 | kergoth | well you're in trouble without it :) |
| 21:13.12 | kergoth | course not many devices can change fb resolutions that have a ts |
| 21:13.36 | pb_ | I think the general expectation is that software will cope. |
| 21:13.45 | pb_ | after all, the touchscreen isn't pixel-based. |
| 21:14.13 | kergoth | the whole point of calibration is to ensure the ts coords match up. resolution change nullifies calibration |
| 21:14.16 | Twiun | re |
| 21:14.21 | kergoth | tslib should have a module to deal with it |
| 21:14.30 | masticator | I need more people on this box |
| 21:14.33 | pb_ | right |
| 21:14.36 | masticator | not stressing it out enough |
| 21:14.45 | Twiun | masticator: any of the kaffe peeps on there? |
| 21:14.49 | kergoth | masticator: i'll have more time next week, have a deadline friday |
| 21:15.08 | Twiun | masticator: running freenet has been suggested as a good way to increase load |
| 21:15.36 | kergoth | pb_: thing is, sharp/lineo like doing things in kernel space that shouldnt be there |
| 21:15.39 | kergoth | pb_: :) |
| 21:15.41 | kergoth | pb_: so it wouldnt surprise me |
| 21:19.15 | pb_ | kergoth: yeah, that wouldn't shock me too much either. my "wacky" comment was specifically about treke's suggestion that the hardware might be doing it. |
| 21:19.33 | kergoth | ahhh gotcha |
| 21:19.38 | kergoth | thought he meant kernel |
| 21:19.51 | treke | nah, that was just my ass talking. |
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| 21:27.37 | Twiun | hey ljp |
| 21:27.41 | Twiun | news? |
| 21:28.08 | ljp | was stuck in a meeting all day yesterday and forgot. :( will do a followup today |
| 21:29.25 | Twiun | thanks |
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| 21:39.36 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:39.40 | kergoth | * The stupidest, most moronic, and utterly abominable horror of |
| 21:39.40 | kergoth | * an implementation possible, worthy of burning at the stake on |
| 21:39.40 | kergoth | * account of the horrendous inefficiency, gross indecency, and |
| 21:39.40 | kergoth | * offense to all semblance of good taste committed. |
| 21:39.40 | kergoth | * This is, of course, thoroughly endorsed by the Antichrist, |
| 21:39.42 | kergoth | * and fully Cthulhu-approved. The nauseating excretion here can |
| 21:39.44 | kergoth | * only be (temporarily!) endured on account of the fact that |
| 21:39.47 | kergoth | * linear scan, though it be the work of the devil, is portable. |
| 21:39.49 | kergoth | * Please, rewrite this travesty, this aborted fetus of a one- |
| 21:39.52 | kergoth | * function freshman coding project, this vomitous turd, with |
| 21:39.55 | kergoth | * inline assembly and all the appropriate and sanitary methods |
| 21:39.57 | kergoth | * ASAP, before this code degenerates beyond all hope of |
| 21:40.00 | kergoth | * recovery into a flaming bag of shit on the doorstep of hacking. |
| 21:47.36 | Twiun | can someone clarify what gcc in complaining about here? DtpModel.m:22: warning: passing arg 1 of `openFile:' discards qualifiers from pointer target type |
| 21:48.14 | pb_ | it wants a char*, and you're passing it a const char*. or something along those lines. |
| 21:49.08 | Twiun | thanks ;) |
| 21:49.33 | pb_ | that kind of thing can be quite a pain: it means you have to either use const religiously, or not use it at all, or have casts all over the place. |
| 21:51.05 | ljp | or, you used a -> and it wants a . |
| 21:51.33 | ljp | or vice versa |
| 21:52.05 | pb_ | really? crumbs. |
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| 22:14.16 | masticator | man I'm throwing distributed.net and seti at this IBM box and it isnt even breaking a sweat |
| 22:14.34 | Twiun | have you put freenet on there? |
| 22:14.48 | masticator | no |
| 22:14.58 | masticator | what does freenet do |
| 22:15.24 | ljp | put something cool on a httpd server on it, and then post it to /. |
| 22:15.25 | Twiun | it's one of those stealthed p2p networks - no-one knows what's in the local cache as it's encrypted |
| 22:15.49 | masticator | I'm really looking for something that will crunch these procs |
| 22:15.50 | Twiun | masticator: because of the crypto it eats cpu |
| 22:15.59 | masticator | the problem is, the dist.net and seti clients I have are 32 bit |
| 22:16.09 | masticator | both these orgs dont give out source code |
| 22:16.16 | masticator | I want native 64 bit shit running |
| 22:16.29 | Twiun | argh, true that |
| 22:16.43 | masticator | its cool that the Power4 can run 32 bit binaries though |
| 22:16.47 | kergoth | kano: doesnt ncurses provide a readline? could probably kill the 'units' dependency in favor of something thats more often included |
| 22:16.50 | Twiun | freenet runs under java... and no 64bit java yet (definately not for power4) |
| 22:16.52 | masticator | the itanium cant do that without choking |
| 22:17.15 | masticator | I contacted the guy who wrote seti for power4 |
| 22:17.24 | masticator | problem is the last version used glibc 2.25 |
| 22:17.28 | masticator | this box uses 2.32 |
| 22:17.38 | masticator | and I dont want to munge the configuration |
| 22:18.47 | ljp | run a few nuclear explosion simulators on it, and then make -j 45 on kde |
| 22:19.45 | chouimat | ljp: nah not make -j 45 but make -j ;) |
| 22:21.44 | masticator | my next trick is to get MOL to run on this box |
| 22:21.48 | masticator | its theoretically possible |
| 22:21.59 | masticator | the only problem is I need a scsi drive with an HFS parition on it |
| 22:22.15 | masticator | so I can install Mac OS X on it via MOL when I virtually boot the CD |
| 22:34.12 | ljp | hmm. my c7x00 needs larger fonts |
| 22:35.16 | treke|laptop | install opie on it |
| 22:36.12 | ljp | heh |
| 22:36.20 | ljp | fonts I said |
| 22:36.25 | W8TVI | opie is a nice gui |
| 22:36.38 | W8TVI | better than qte |
| 22:36.48 | kergoth | um |
| 22:36.49 | kergoth | opie uses qte. |
| 22:36.55 | W8TVI | or whatever its called... |
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| 22:37.06 | W8TVI | ok, the sharp gui |
| 22:37.08 | W8TVI | :P |
| 22:37.50 | DaveEL | does anyone have a copy of libtool_1.4.3-5.diff.gz? it seems to have gone missing from ftp.debian.org |
| 22:38.25 | kergoth | need libtool 1.4 that bad? :P |
| 22:38.44 | treke|laptop | kergoth: buildroot uses 1.4.3 |
| 22:38.49 | kergoth | well "likes" is relative |
| 22:38.50 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:38.54 | kergoth | forgot about that |
| 22:38.57 | *** topic/#openembedded by treke|laptop -> OpenEmbedded/OpenZaurus developer lounge | User support in #openzaurus, #openembedded-ipaq, and (if applicable) #opie | OE now supplies configure test results, please take a look and start migrating OZ packages over. | Snapshots available at http://treke.net/~bk/ | holy shit kergoth likes libtool |
| 22:39.03 | kergoth | noooooo |
| 22:39.06 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:39.36 | kergoth | i respect libtool, cause it can often kick my ass |
| 22:39.38 | kergoth | but other than that.. |
| 22:40.04 | treke|laptop | http://debian.paradise.net.nz/debian/pool/main/libt/libtool/libtool_1.4.3-5.diff.gz |
| 22:40.38 | kergoth | you know, itd be nice if as a distro guy, ki could specify whether i want static or shared for each individual lib it depends on |
| 22:40.41 | kergoth | for any given package |
| 22:41.03 | kergoth | --with-openssllinktype=static |
| 22:41.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:41.15 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 22:41.34 | DaveEL | treke: thanks |
| 22:42.02 | kergoth | pb_: opinion on the subject? does whether you link with a dependent lib static or shared belong in the hands of the dev or the packagers/distro folk? |
| 22:42.26 | TheMasterMind1 | neither! |
| 22:42.41 | kergoth | bah |
| 22:43.04 | pb_ | kergoth: the latter, but I don't think even the distro people should be allowed to link static without extenuating circumstances, a note from their mother, and all that stuff. |
| 22:43.07 | treke|laptop | let the user decide |
| 22:43.36 | kergoth | dsniff links statically against libnet, libpcap, openssl, and libdb |
| 22:43.41 | kergoth | but not libc |
| 22:43.44 | kergoth | figure that out |
| 22:43.47 | pb_ | good grief. |
| 22:44.06 | treke|laptop | next version will also link statcially with xlib and gtk2 |
| 22:44.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:44.28 | kergoth | oh, hey, it doesnt.. it just thinks it does |
| 22:44.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:44.33 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:44.37 | scribe | Hey guys, saw MOL in the conversation above. What is MOL? |
| 22:44.38 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 22:44.39 | kergoth | forces a if test -f $withval/libblah.a |
| 22:44.45 | kergoth | but then -L$withval -lblah |
| 22:44.49 | kergoth | so it ends up preferring shared anyway |
| 22:44.52 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you link statically anyway |
| 22:44.58 | kergoth | so its just their tests that are wrong |
| 22:45.06 | treke|laptop | scribe: mac on linux? |
| 22:45.13 | TheMasterMind1 | -lsomething links to libsomething shared |
| 22:45.15 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you do static |
| 22:45.20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: put the .a on the link line, or -lblah if no shared version exists, or -static, iirc |
| 22:45.22 | scribe | is there a PPC emulator for linux? |
| 22:45.28 | scribe | looking.... |
| 22:45.29 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 22:45.50 | kergoth | libnids links static against libnet. wonder why that is. probably lib versioning issues |
| 22:45.56 | kergoth | every app that uses libnet links it statically |
| 22:46.04 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: if you write -lfoo -Bstatic -lbar -Bdynamic -lfuzz, ld will link with libbar.a statically, and dynamically with the other two. |
| 22:46.23 | scribe | oh, seems only works on a linux/ppc box, so no ppc emu |
| 22:46.25 | TheMasterMind1 | pb_: thanks |
| 22:46.25 | kergoth | ah yeah, always forget about -B |
| 22:46.46 | pb_ | yeah, one of those funky options we inherited from solaris. |
| 22:47.50 | pb_ | hm, my debian netinst disk seems to be some special variant whose support files aren't actually in the archive. lose. |
| 22:52.48 | pb_ | kergoth: mm, there's a few packages in debian that depend on libnet1, which I guess means they link with it shared. |
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| 22:59.14 | Twiun | g'night |
| 23:01.18 | W8TVI | Upgrading libqpe1 on root from 1.0.0 to 1.0.2... |
| 23:01.20 | W8TVI | Only have 712 available blocks on filesystem /, pkg libqte2 needs 1193 |
| 23:01.21 | W8TVI | :( |
| 23:01.41 | W8TVI | guess I need to delete something |
| 23:06.15 | DaveEL | if with the old buildroot i tell it to build a 2.4.21 kernel will i a) fry my zaurus b) have an very unstable zaurus (slightly unstable i can cope with :) ) c) not be able to use my mmc card? or d) have a nice working system |
| 23:06.48 | treke|laptop | b, c, and maybe a |
| 23:06.54 | W8TVI | e) all of the above |
| 23:07.03 | DaveEL | ok 2.4.6 it is then :) |
| 23:07.18 | W8TVI | lol |
| 23:07.21 | pb_ | W8TVI: I doubt libqte2 is getting any smaller, so that sounds like the best option. |
| 23:07.26 | DaveEL | c and a were the ones i really cared about |
| 23:07.59 | treke|laptop | run lzip on qte |
| 23:08.06 | treke|laptop | it might get it small enough |
| 23:08.09 | W8TVI | looks like I need to uninstall some package when it gets done... |
| 23:08.22 | chouimat | treke|laptop: lzip? |
| 23:08.42 | DaveEL | i wasn't sure if 2.4.21 could use the 2.4.18 sd driver |
| 23:08.51 | kergoth | DaveEL: it cant |
| 23:08.52 | W8TVI | lol... I'm loged into my z 4 times at once.. |
| 23:10.55 | treke|laptop | DaveEL: that would be a pretty good summary |
| 23:11.12 | treke|laptop | kergoth: how hard do you think it would be to backport the 2.4.21 drivers to .18? |
| 23:11.28 | kergoth | the hh.o mmc stuff? should work fine |
| 23:11.42 | treke|laptop | no, the stuff your writing |
| 23:11.58 | treke|laptop | things like the battery driver, touch screen, other shit |
| 23:12.09 | TheMasterMind1 | why.. whats so great about .18? |
| 23:12.42 | treke|laptop | TheMasterMind1: unless it works out that corgi and collie happen to use the pxa mmc controller, it might be that we need it for SD. At least for a while |
| 23:12.48 | treke|laptop | er corgi and shepherd |
| 23:13.41 | W8TVI | you know how the screen shuts off and the mail light flashes when its running in console mode? how would you start that manualy? |
| 23:13.59 | kergoth | treke|laptop: ah, thatd work fine yeah |
| 23:14.02 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|laptop: ah.. ok |
| 23:15.02 | treke|laptop | kergoth: yeah, people who dont give a damn could move on to .21 or 2.6.0 and the rest can stick at .18 or .19 or whatver the final kernel is |
| 23:15.08 | W8TVI | it'd bee cool if it could be added as a "screen saver" or such thing... or in the light and power setup so after a user set amount of time it'd shut the screen off... |
| 23:17.02 | kergoth | W8TVI: qtopia on the c7x0 have that |
| 23:17.10 | W8TVI | cool |
| 23:17.22 | kergoth | obviously its only useful when on AC |
| 23:17.22 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:17.25 | W8TVI | then why dont we have it on the 5500? |
| 23:17.26 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't opie do that? |
| 23:17.26 | kergoth | otherwise you should be suspending |
| 23:17.42 | W8TVI | I'd like to have it avable on battery |
| 23:17.48 | W8TVI | good for war walking |
| 23:17.50 | kergoth | um |
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| 23:17.59 | kergoth | you do realize light & power has a checkbox for "shut the screen off, dont suspend" |
| 23:18.02 | kergoth | right? |
| 23:18.04 | treke|laptop | yo mithro |
| 23:18.07 | W8TVI | no... |
| 23:18.09 | TheMasterMind1 | yea exactly |
| 23:18.13 | TheMasterMind1 | dim light after |
| 23:18.16 | TheMasterMind1 | light off after |
| 23:18.17 | TheMasterMind1 | suspend after |
| 23:18.25 | TheMasterMind1 | deactivate lcd only (do not suspend) |
| 23:18.25 | W8TVI | no, I want the screen shut off too |
| 23:18.26 | kergoth | c7x0 qtopia has an actual screensaver when on AC |
| 23:18.32 | kergoth | W8TVI: read. |
| 23:18.40 | kergoth | "deactivate lcd only (do not suspend)" |
| 23:18.41 | W8TVI | on what version? |
| 23:18.48 | TheMasterMind1 | opie I |
| 23:18.48 | kergoth | any semirecent opie light & power |
| 23:18.51 | W8TVI | k |
| 23:18.55 | treke|laptop | on pretty much any version built in the past year or two |
| 23:19.04 | treke|laptop | probably there in oz 3.2 |
| 23:19.05 | mithro | hey everyone |
| 23:19.17 | W8TVI | I'm upgrading to opie 1.0 to 1.0.2 |
| 23:19.21 | W8TVI | at the moment... |
| 23:19.36 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, oz 3.2 has it |
| 23:19.37 | W8TVI | I'll take a look again after its done and see why I messed it |
| 23:19.45 | treke|laptop | mithro: http://ent.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/sdl.sh |
| 23:19.49 | W8TVI | tnx kergoth & TheMasterMind1 |
| 23:20.00 | W8TVI | I never knew it had that option |
| 23:20.02 | treke|laptop | mithro: that will work for you until I fix qte and the kernel to play nicely with sdl |
| 23:22.02 | treke|laptop | hmmm, wonder if bootldr ever got fixed |
| 23:22.04 | treke|laptop | ibot, bootldr |
| 23:22.06 | | i guess bootldr is recommended bootldr for Familiar 0.7 is 2.20.4 (or 2.18.54 for h3100 only). see http://www.handhelds.org/feeds/bootldr or http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/bootldr.html |
| 23:28.34 | pb_ | treke|laptop: fixed in which sense? |
| 23:29.06 | treke|laptop | pb_: Put in a bug a while back, it was hanging when /boot/params was in use |
| 23:30.05 | pb_ | treke|laptop: ah, yes, jamey fixed that on Monday. |
| 23:30.24 | pb_ | in 2.21.12 I think |
| 23:30.24 | treke|laptop | cool. |
| 23:30.29 | treke|laptop | now that I dont have an ipaq :) |
| 23:30.35 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:30.35 | treke|laptop | I need to steal one back |
| 23:32.01 | mithro | treke|laptop: posted a reply to your message |
| 23:32.55 | treke|laptop | ah |
| 23:33.07 | treke|laptop | the patches on that site do compile if you hack the configure.ac iirc |
| 23:33.29 | mithro | I want a clean patch :) no hacking |
| 23:33.38 | treke|laptop | ha |
| 23:33.46 | treke|laptop | that I can fix :p |
| 23:34.00 | treke|laptop | I just never bothered commiting the fix to buildroot |
| 23:34.49 | mithro | treke|laptop: i also find the sharpism's bad form |
| 23:34.58 | treke|laptop | well they are a bit needed |
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| 23:35.12 | mithro | it should use qt/e to find the current resolution and the requested resolution |
| 23:35.34 | treke|laptop | It also needs the rotation of the lcd |
| 23:35.51 | treke|laptop | which isnt available short of the sharpisms |
| 23:36.08 | mithro | you sure? i belive you can get it from Opie last time i looked |
| 23:36.37 | treke|laptop | pretty sure. |
| 23:37.22 | mithro | Well the reward still stands if you produce an intergrated package which fits all the critera |
| 23:37.44 | treke|laptop | just wanted to save you some cash :) |
| 23:38.14 | treke|laptop | I want an sdl with more sharpism where it makes sense :p |
| 23:38.46 | mithro | well the other big thing is the on the fly resolution change for SDL under OZ |
| 23:39.04 | mithro | knowing how busy kergoth is with stuff the touchscreen patch is a long way off |
| 23:39.08 | treke|laptop | ah, I know what your talking about in opie. |
| 23:39.40 | treke|laptop | there is a function that gives you the qte rotation for the lcd, but that doesnt quite work right on the c7x0 |
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| 23:40.52 | masticator | TWiun: apparently on IBM developerworks there exists a 64 bit JRE for IBM Power on Linux |
| 23:40.57 | masticator | you wants to try? |
| 23:41.09 | treke|laptop | ah, and it's only a set, not a get |
| 23:47.12 | mithro | supprisingly i havn't got any emails about the offer |
| 23:48.31 | mithro | well somebody did suggest starting up a foundation for donating to get stuff done |
| 23:48.51 | treke|laptop | sash might be releasing one soon :) |
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| 23:58.35 | mithro | sash? |