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| 00:15.12 | icefox | OE supports SD cards right? |
| 00:15.20 | icefox | not just mmc? |
| 00:16.08 | kergoth | thats a pretty vague question. |
| 00:16.22 | kergoth | OE is a build infrastructure for creating distributions, and is also the prefix for a number of distributions for a number of devices |
| 00:28.59 | TheMasterMind1 | icefox: the oz .21 collie kernel doesn't support sd or mmc yet |
| 00:29.08 | icefox | ah |
| 00:30.03 | chouimat|dinner | hey TheMasterMind1 |
| 00:30.30 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: hey |
| 00:45.09 | chouimat | hmmm using teambuilder and 3 box to compile KDE head it's fun |
| 00:46.30 | ljp | no. using teambuilder and 21 box is fun |
| 00:46.54 | chouimat | ljp: but I just have a personal licence :) |
| 00:48.44 | ljp | I know |
| 00:49.11 | ljp | ok, it's even more fun with 21 boxen |
| 00:49.27 | chouimat | ljp: I know we have that in n7y |
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| 00:52.44 | chouimat | huh? diamond head? |
| 01:14.25 | ljp | would be nice if oe worked with teambuilder |
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| 03:43.04 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.286 Add epeg library from e17 cvs. |
| 03:43.14 | CIA | repository=03packages user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com |
| 03:43.14 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.287 Add apache 2.0.48 (doesnt build just yet). |
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| 05:10.18 | ljp | someones busy |
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| 05:39.48 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 05:58.00 | CIA | repository=03packages user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com |
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| 06:12.28 | ljp | that konqe build is fuckedup |
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| 07:32.39 | lpotter | wooohoo |
| 07:33.26 | lpotter | I'm gonna miss that nigerian spammer guy |
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| 09:01.57 | mithro | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3054576864&category=34289 |
| 09:02.06 | mithro | anyone used this in a Z? |
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| 09:10.50 | Twiun | mornin' |
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| 09:18.14 | mithro | morning Twiun |
| 09:18.23 | mithro | how have you been? |
| 09:18.38 | Twiun | So, so... I think I'm coming down with something though |
| 09:18.42 | Twiun | how about you? |
| 09:18.45 | mithro | bah thats no good |
| 09:18.53 | mithro | i'm in SWAT VAC week |
| 09:19.17 | Twiun | what's that? |
| 09:19.37 | mithro | study vacation before exams |
| 09:19.55 | mithro | seen this -> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3054576864&category=34289 |
| 09:26.24 | Twiun | interesting |
| 09:31.30 | mithro | thats what i thought |
| 09:31.47 | mithro | i doubt it needs any extra drivers as it's just a dumb circuit |
| 09:32.39 | Twiun | that's what it seems to me |
| 09:32.59 | mithro | the price is good :) |
| 09:33.31 | Twiun | yup |
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| 10:06.32 | Twiun | g'morning mickeyl |
| 10:06.37 | mickeyl | morning |
| 10:07.49 | mithro | morning mickeyl |
| 10:07.53 | mickeyl | hi mithro |
| 10:08.08 | mithro | i have 3 months holidaies in 3 weeks |
| 10:09.37 | mickeyl | not bad |
| 10:09.42 | mickeyl | nice job? |
| 10:09.49 | mickeyl | or without a job? :) |
| 10:10.30 | mithro | from Uni |
| 10:11.04 | mickeyl | ah |
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| 10:49.25 | Twiun | today's BOFH is priceless :) http://theregister.co.uk/content/30/33698.html |
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| 11:04.43 | mickeyl | anyone from handhelds.org here? the opie wiki fails with a can't-open-database-error since yesterdays outage |
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| 11:24.50 | Twiun | hey bisho |
| 12:09.34 | Twiun | sf's down, yet again |
| 12:10.23 | mickeyl | what are you looking for? |
| 12:10.33 | Twiun | an eclipse plugin |
| 12:10.39 | mickeyl | ah |
| 12:10.59 | mickeyl | i heard good things about eclipse |
| 12:11.05 | mickeyl | how's the c++ support nowadays? |
| 12:11.53 | Twiun | no idea ;) |
| 12:12.17 | Twiun | but latest news is that Kaffe is now starting to run it |
| 12:12.39 | mickeyl | ah |
| 12:12.44 | mickeyl | lots of progress in kaffe |
| 12:12.54 | mickeyl | i wonder how good the qt/e support is |
| 12:12.57 | mickeyl | ever tried building it? |
| 12:13.07 | Twiun | I know what it's like ;) |
| 12:13.15 | Twiun | only uses Qt for the top level windows |
| 12:13.21 | Twiun | everything else is lightweight |
| 12:13.31 | Twiun | that's why I started writing qteAWT |
| 12:13.54 | mickeyl | hehe don't say lightweight - that sounds like it is good |
| 12:13.59 | mickeyl | say "self-painted" |
| 12:14.00 | mickeyl | :) |
| 12:14.09 | Twiun | ah, yes, self-painted ;) |
| 12:14.42 | Twiun | as I'm concentrating on fbAWT atm, qteAWT has stagnated a bit |
| 12:16.07 | mickeyl | is the work you already done on the base of wonka portable enough or do you have to redo lots of it if you would do it basing of kaffe? |
| 12:16.26 | mickeyl | s/of/on |
| 12:17.44 | Twiun | I wrote it in a portable fashion |
| 12:18.00 | Twiun | unfortunately kaffe doesn't have all the JNI support I need yet |
| 12:18.39 | Twiun | (or was that Wonka?) |
| 12:18.46 | Twiun | ah, no, I remember |
| 12:19.01 | Twiun | Kaffe's AWT is the problem - I need the one from GNU Classpath imported |
| 12:20.18 | Twiun | and that's in the works atm |
| 12:20.32 | Twiun | I pestered them because I also need that done for fbAWT |
| 12:21.13 | mickeyl | good |
| 12:22.47 | lpotter | burp |
| 12:23.03 | lpotter | woooho ! halloween! |
| 12:23.31 | Twiun | hey lorn |
| 12:23.56 | mickeyl | hi ljp |
| 12:23.58 | Twiun | Any news from norway? |
| 12:24.09 | lpotter | hmm.. |
| 12:24.31 | mickeyl | ibot: pester lpotter to do the BRANCH->HEAD merge for advancefm, opierec and (maybe) opieplayer2 |
| 12:24.34 | | lpotter to do the BRANCH->HEAD merge for advancefm, opierec and (maybe) opieplayer2: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 12:24.34 | lpotter | not et |
| 12:24.46 | lpotter | fm is head |
| 12:24.56 | lpotter | not sure abot oierec |
| 12:25.09 | lpotter | hmmm |
| 12:25.25 | mickeyl | lpotter: there are conflicts which means you have edited in both branches. e.g. you did bugfixes to advancedfm in BRANCH. we'll lose them if we just take HEAD |
| 12:25.27 | lpotter | damn I am wasted |
| 12:25.54 | lpotter | welll.. bugger all! |
| 12:26.21 | lpotter | I'll get to it this weekend |
| 12:26.42 | lpotter | I am afraid if I did anything tonight it would be really fucked up |
| 12:26.47 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 12:26.48 | mickeyl | ok |
| 12:27.20 | lpotter | was ust at a TT haloween party |
| 12:27.32 | mickeyl | halloween in norway? |
| 12:27.35 | mickeyl | eeh |
| 12:27.38 | mickeyl | australia |
| 12:27.39 | mickeyl | ? |
| 12:27.41 | lpotter | .au! |
| 12:28.00 | lpotter | warmest halloween I have had |
| 12:28.34 | lpotter | cant imagine what christams will be like being the dead of summer |
| 12:31.17 | lpotter | hmm |
| 12:31.42 | lpotter | warwick is a pretty funy person |
| 12:31.59 | lpotter | belh too much wine! |
| 12:35.44 | lpotter | or not enough.. |
| 12:36.56 | Twiun | how many fingers am I holding up? |
| 12:37.32 | lpotter | 6or 7 |
| 12:37.45 | lpotter | stop moving so mcuh |
| 12:37.51 | Twiun | wow |
| 12:38.11 | Twiun | and I thought I'd catch you out |
| 12:38.33 | lpotter | hmmm... |
| 12:40.31 | lpotter | they drive weird here |
| 12:47.36 | lpotter | I think I dranka lot |
| 13:34.02 | Twiun | anyone happen to have a goldsmith amongst their list of acquaintances? |
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| 14:31.58 | mickeyl | http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/announcements/00000145.html |
| 14:32.13 | mickeyl | at last |
| 14:41.34 | Twiun | what cpu is the A760? |
| 14:42.19 | mickeyl | no idea |
| 14:42.23 | Twiun | did you see the other one? http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/announcements/00000146.html |
| 14:42.39 | mickeyl | oh!? |
| 14:43.00 | Twiun | lpotter: "Several Java Virtual Machines (JVM?) are already running on Qtopia Phone, including Esmertec.s Jeode? and IBM® VisualAge. Micro Edition." ... wtf??? |
| 14:43.21 | mickeyl | wow |
| 14:43.24 | Twiun | since when did TT license QtAWT to IBM for their J9 JVM??? |
| 14:43.34 | mickeyl | pretty cool announcements |
| 14:43.47 | mickeyl | we'll see what see the light of day however... |
| 14:44.01 | mickeyl | or rather OpenEmbedded/Phone |
| 14:44.02 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:44.49 | Twiun | and http://www.trolltech.com/products/qtopia/java.html?cid=6 |
| 14:45.03 | Twiun | they imply it's part of Qtopia??? |
| 14:45.28 | bipolar | Obviously not the GPL part... |
| 14:46.05 | Twiun | right, but I've never heard of it being in the commercial SDK either |
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| 15:43.39 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:43.55 | Twiun | hiya chouimat |
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| 15:49.54 | treke|home | mornin |
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| 15:50.45 | mickeyl | kergoth: prepare to work on OpenEmbedded/Phone |
| 15:50.48 | mickeyl | http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/announcements/00000145.html |
| 15:50.49 | mickeyl | http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/announcements/00000146.html |
| 15:50.51 | mickeyl | :) |
| 15:50.55 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:50.56 | kergoth | nice |
| 15:51.11 | kergoth | wonder how much of it we'd be able to support.. like the phone capabilities, in kernel or in userspace |
| 15:51.25 | mickeyl | yeah exciting questions... |
| 15:51.30 | mickeyl | i hope it'll be available in europe |
| 15:51.40 | XavierXeon | how yould you flash such a device ? |
| 15:51.52 | chouimat | damnit it's a freaking PHONE! why add so much features on phones???? |
| 15:51.55 | mickeyl | they probably have a serial connector anywhere |
| 15:52.00 | treke|home | chouimat: amen |
| 15:52.13 | Twiun | mickeyl: yeah, didn't some of the nokias have JTAG support? |
| 15:52.14 | CosmicPenguin | Stupid question - how is that different then the code that was released before? |
| 15:52.28 | mickeyl | Twiun: yes |
| 15:52.33 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: complete new api??? |
| 15:52.44 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: really a new API? |
| 15:52.55 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: no |
| 15:53.01 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: or is all the phone support done by the phone firmware? |
| 15:53.03 | mickeyl | probably not a new API, but a number of serious tweaks |
| 15:53.09 | kano | Twiun> the symbian ones or things like the 6310? |
| 15:53.20 | treke|home | chouimat: I'm happy with my phone and it doesnt even do ir or bluetooth :p |
| 15:53.21 | CosmicPenguin | mickeyl: I'm listening - got a changelog? |
| 15:53.34 | Twiun | kano: no idea - that's why I left it a little vague ;) |
| 15:53.35 | mickeyl | CosmicPenguin: no, better ask ljp for that :D |
| 15:53.48 | CosmicPenguin | mickeyl: ok |
| 15:54.29 | Twiun | CosmicPenguin: whilst you're asking ljp stuff, ask him where they're hiding the QtAWT they mention everywhere on those pages ;) |
| 15:54.49 | chouimat | treke|home: i need to pay 100cad to reactivate my mobile phone ... so I will just keep my house phone and it's an analog one so beside the basic function ... i will rather say normal function of a phone I have no extra stuff I won't use |
| 15:54.58 | CosmicPenguin | Twiun: I doubt that ljp and I will have much to discuss |
| 15:55.24 | Twiun | CosmicPenguin: ah. friction? or incompatible interests? |
| 15:55.35 | CosmicPenguin | Twiun: incompatible interests |
| 16:16.12 | kergoth | grr, thats why i hate it when sources pull in their own copies of othersources |
| 16:16.15 | kergoth | now i ahve to patch both :) |
| 16:17.09 | Twiun | You know you love it ;) |
| 16:18.55 | gb2 | kargoth: separator change doesn't apply to directories? |
| 16:19.10 | kergoth | gb2: yeah. probably should, but doesnt |
| 16:19.39 | kergoth | doesnt matter much, since i was primarily concerned with creation of metadata items based on the naming, not vice versa (e.g. vars_from_file()) |
| 16:19.48 | gb2 | yeah |
| 16:23.29 | Twiun | Argh. I keep being surprised at how clueless some developers are about hardware - ANY hardware. |
| 16:27.51 | gb2 | i cringe reading mailing lists all the time |
| 16:28.06 | gb2 | it really is sad |
| 16:28.29 | chouimat | Twiun: imagine a saleman ... |
| 16:29.03 | Twiun | kergoth: but you know the key difference between a PDA and a Desktop system, right? |
| 16:29.10 | Twiun | (other than size) |
| 16:29.41 | kano | power consumption :) |
| 16:29.57 | Twiun | actually.. it's not the cluelessness... it's the blank stares when I drool at some nice hardware ;) |
| 16:34.47 | kano | btw, has anyone tried OZ on an ipaq 5xxx series, the one with the fingerprint readers. |
| 16:40.15 | mickeyl | ~lart community.zaurus.com |
| 16:40.24 | mickeyl | this site is always done if one needs it |
| 16:40.27 | mickeyl | s/done/down |
| 16:42.46 | chouimat | hehe |
| 16:43.43 | mickeyl | i guess that site is not mirrored somewhere? |
| 16:44.56 | chouimat | mickeyl: they're inspired by Sourceforge ... ;) |
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| 16:46.09 | mickeyl | even sf.net is more often online than community.zaurus.com |
| 16:46.50 | Twiun | lol |
| 16:47.41 | mickeyl | let's see who has more time... |
| 16:47.43 | mickeyl | :D |
| 16:54.48 | treke | kano: It will not work on that ipaq |
| 16:55.41 | kano | ahh |
| 16:56.26 | kano | a friend of mine has one and got bored of using it as a PDA, mainly because it crashes so often |
| 16:56.43 | treke | adding support would be easy, and we'd love to have it |
| 16:56.44 | kano | and you can defeat the fingerprint check will a CD |
| 16:58.37 | kano | my friend might have to do a little bif of deving then :) |
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| 18:26.18 | kergoth | hey carsten |
| 18:33.55 | carsten | moin |
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| 19:04.27 | treke | pb_: The amtel post was regarding a 3com network card |
| 19:05.01 | pb_ | treke: ah, right. |
| 19:05.02 | treke | What rodkey really wants is a copy of poldhu_cs compiled for the hh.o kernel |
| 19:07.50 | kano | had anyone noticed a problem with the ipkg-utils package. it seems not to build (the error is, "no SRC_URI variable") because the .oe file name is ipkg-utils_1.0_cvs.oe, changing it to ipkg-utils_1.0.oe make it work again. |
| 19:10.36 | kano | cmd line: "oebuild ipkg-utils/ipkg-utils-native_1.0_cvs.oe" |
| 19:12.50 | kergoth | kano: bk pull |
| 19:12.56 | kergoth | kano: fixed that last night |
| 19:13.45 | kano | ahh |
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| 19:34.19 | kergoth | argh! |
| 19:34.23 | kergoth | damnit m4 |
| 19:38.50 | kergoth | ah ha! |
| 19:38.59 | kergoth | configure.in sinclude()'d acinclude.m4 directly! |
| 19:39.05 | kergoth | but then aclocal pulled it into aclocal.m4 |
| 19:39.09 | kergoth | BAD APACHE DEVS |
| 19:39.10 | kergoth | BAD! |
| 19:43.39 | kergoth | guess i could just not run aclocal against their tree.. but i dont see why they dont use it. heh. |
| 20:07.22 | kano | kergoth> when compiling packages that depend on others, and configure looks for them, is it better to patch configure.in, run autoconf and submit the patch to configure or submit the patch to configure.in and run autoconf as part of the build process |
| 20:17.53 | kergoth | hm? |
| 20:18.06 | kergoth | there isnt a problem with configure looking for another package |
| 20:18.11 | kergoth | so i dont quite see why you'd need to patch anything |
| 20:18.34 | kergoth | regardless, the autotools class will depend on autoconf-native and automake-native, the intent is to run autotools against every package in the build |
| 20:20.59 | kano | ok. was basically because I was making the bluez-utils package, and it was looking for bluez-libs. forgot about the inhert autotools stuff |
| 20:21.13 | kergoth | it should find bluez-libs. |
| 20:21.23 | kergoth | assuming you installed the bluez library in ${STAGING_LIBDIR} |
| 20:21.26 | treke | bluez did something stupid |
| 20:21.28 | kergoth | and headers in STAGING_DIR/target/include/ |
| 20:21.30 | treke | I think |
| 20:21.39 | kergoth | you *do* hvae a bluez-libs do_stage(), right? |
| 20:22.19 | kano | yes, was the headers problem, I installed them in ${STAGING_LIBDIR}/../include |
| 20:22.26 | kergoth | hehe, most buildsystems do stupid things |
| 20:22.35 | kergoth | okay good |
| 20:22.40 | kergoth | we need a STAGING_INCDIR |
| 20:22.48 | kergoth | i dont like hte .oe's assuming where that path is |
| 20:22.48 | kano | beat me to it :) |
| 20:22.53 | kano | was going to say that |
| 20:22.55 | kergoth | since it should change from inheriting native/cross |
| 20:23.00 | kergoth | i'll take care of it |
| 20:23.19 | gb2 | kergoth: i'd match the names of auto* _INCLUDEDIR, yeah it's longer, but it's consistant |
| 20:23.40 | kergoth | well, our metadata isnt even consistent within ourselves. |
| 20:23.43 | kergoth | much less with anybody else |
| 20:23.51 | gb2 | doesn't hurt to try! |
| 20:23.51 | gb2 | :) |
| 20:23.55 | kergoth | we have ebuild style short names, buildroot-oz style long names, and some that fit nothing |
| 20:24.47 | gb2 | being consistant with auto* names for these sounds like a good idea throughout |
| 20:25.04 | gb2 | prefix/includedir/datadir/libdir/bindir etc |
| 20:25.32 | kergoth | 'includedir' is runtime |
| 20:25.34 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.42 | kergoth | not build time, or prefixed installtime |
| 20:27.09 | gb2 | usually installtime is $(DESTDIR)$(includedir) |
| 20:27.21 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:00.35 | mickeyl | anyone ever talked to phillip kuhn about remerging qpdf2 ? |
| 21:01.09 | treke | I just remember hearing that he didnt want to |
| 21:01.27 | mickeyl | aha. |
| 21:01.47 | mickeyl | so should we do it or leave it as an extra package? |
| 21:02.13 | treke | I think we should just do it :p |
| 21:02.27 | mickeyl | okay |
| 21:02.28 | kergoth | i think we shuld kill opie-qpdf and leave it external |
| 21:02.36 | treke | or do that. |
| 21:02.38 | kergoth | opie doesnt need to possess the entire world |
| 21:02.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:02.54 | treke | kergoth: it does if we want to get away from qpe :p |
| 21:03.22 | kergoth | heh, we dont have to become all encompassing to differentiate ourselves |
| 21:04.14 | mickeyl | well - both opinions are valid, however there's one thing to take into account. I always thought that one of the advances Opie had was the "integration", e.g. Opie apps having a common look and feel and being qcop-enhanced to talk to each other. How about that point if we leave everything external? |
| 21:04.27 | treke | kergoth: well the problem is more of if we move over to libopie2/3/whatever, anything that isn't an opie app will break. Unless we are going to keep around a libqpe |
| 21:05.10 | kergoth | mickeyl: just because its external doesnt mean it cant make use of our libraries and interfaces |
| 21:05.34 | mickeyl | kergoth: but if we don't do it, noone will. the upstream authors probably don't care. see phillip kuhn |
| 21:06.04 | kergoth | if you want to take on keeping every external app patched to use opie classes in sync, feel free |
| 21:06.09 | kergoth | personally i dont advocate it |
| 21:06.24 | mickeyl | then what's the deal in writing libraries anyway? |
| 21:07.08 | kergoth | huh? |
| 21:07.21 | kergoth | you write a library so people will use it, not so you can maintain forks of every upstream source. |
| 21:07.30 | kergoth | if they choose not to use it, thats their perogative |
| 21:08.07 | treke | dp |
| 21:08.33 | treke | shit, I wonder if i'm versioning things wrong |
| 21:08.41 | mickeyl | hmm |
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| 21:10.49 | mickeyl | and even if they will - see http://my-zaurus.narod.ru/opie.html - they fork and just copy'paste the code :( |
| 21:11.19 | treke | I still like the tinykate guy who refused to ever comply with the gpl |
| 21:11.50 | treke | backported to not need libopie? Why not just *gasp* install libopie |
| 21:12.28 | mickeyl | oh probably because you can't install it onto a sharp rom... there comes that error.... something like "ipkg: invalid magic" |
| 21:13.02 | kergoth | yeah, building ipks in classic mode is such rocket science |
| 21:13.13 | kergoth | oh no, a single commandline argument! |
| 21:13.41 | treke | "it's your job to make sure all your software that you built for one distribution runs on some other distribution" |
| 21:16.51 | treke | goddammit |
| 21:17.00 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:17.56 | treke | kergoth: Stupid me didnt check around google, so I spent two hours backporting rt3 to woody again. Then when I went searching for a package I couldnt find, there was a full feed for rt3 :p |
| 21:18.18 | kergoth | doh |
| 21:18.18 | mickeyl | kergoth: well - given our personell situation, you're probably right. ditching a few opie apps in favour of external apps gives us more time for the core. |
| 21:18.38 | kergoth | mickeyl: exactly. we have enough core opie things that are unmaintained without picking up external stuff |
| 21:18.43 | mickeyl | right |
| 21:18.44 | kergoth | but if you want that stuff, make a seperate bk project for it |
| 21:19.00 | mickeyl | well... qpdf2 was an exception which is still pissing me off a bit |
| 21:19.39 | lpotter | whats this about qpdf? |
| 21:19.43 | bipolar | lpotter: I can never get wine to work on anything but solitare/notepad. |
| 21:20.03 | lpotter | hmmm |
| 21:20.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:20.46 | bipolar | lpotter: they do your web hosting? |
| 21:20.54 | bipolar | merlot.net |
| 21:21.06 | lpotter | hehe.. no |
| 21:21.34 | kergoth | treke: you've seen in OZ just how hard it is to keep the upgrade path sane, much less a downgrade path :) |
| 21:21.45 | bipolar | treke: lol |
| 21:21.45 | treke | hhehe |
| 21:23.11 | kergoth | err when did apr-util start needing libdb |
| 21:23.18 | kergoth | i used to be able to build apache 2.0.47 without it |
| 21:24.32 | bipolar | kergoth: something wrong with 2.0.28? :-D |
| 21:25.04 | kergoth | well, 2.0.48 builds now |
| 21:25.09 | kergoth | just needs libdb3 all of a sudden |
| 21:25.11 | kergoth | hm |
| 21:28.21 | lpotter | you guys are going to have a heck of a halloween, if it was anything like mine |
| 21:28.37 | kergoth | i have no plans. zip. zilch. nada. |
| 21:29.02 | lpotter | I wouldnt except that there was a party. :) |
| 21:29.13 | kergoth | nice |
| 21:29.42 | lpotter | no single women in my age bracket, there though |
| 21:30.12 | bipolar | I'm planning on waiting for trick or treaters in a bush with a bat. |
| 21:30.30 | bipolar | hmmm... maybe a bat with nails |
| 21:30.33 | CosmicPumpkin | That seems like healthy bipolar behavior |
| 21:30.34 | bipolar | yeah... |
| 21:30.35 | CosmicPumpkin | :) |
| 21:30.37 | bipolar | lol |
| 21:31.05 | lpotter | Hogne's mask scared the crap out of the young kids, so he ended up not wearing it most of the night |
| 21:31.22 | treke | lpotter: maybe some bored married women? |
| 21:31.26 | lpotter | made warwicks daughter start crying more than once |
| 21:31.50 | lpotter | hmm, ya, perhaps. but their other side was there |
| 21:32.11 | lpotter | and besides, I dont do that anymore |
| 21:32.18 | bipolar | mwahahahaha |
| 21:32.37 | treke | man I'm going to fucking toast this server :p |
| 21:34.43 | CosmicPumpkin | mmm.... toasted server |
| 21:35.29 | lpotter | treke - guess what I dressed up as? |
| 21:35.35 | treke | what? |
| 21:35.37 | kergoth | a hippy! |
| 21:35.43 | lpotter | a hippie with tiedie! |
| 21:36.00 | lpotter | couldnt think of anything, really, so I just wore some of my hippy clothes |
| 21:36.02 | treke | uouyou are supposed to dress differently from normal |
| 21:36.13 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:36.22 | lpotter | well, it was different, considering these people never seen me that way |
| 21:36.43 | lpotter | I got compliments on it |
| 21:36.47 | lpotter | :) |
| 21:37.16 | kergoth | hah, nice |
| 21:37.25 | lpotter | kmail needs to be able to import/export it's filters |
| 21:44.21 | lpotter | grab |
| 21:44.25 | lpotter | heh |
| 21:48.34 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:48.35 | kergoth | oh man |
| 21:48.42 | kergoth | the bug with teh apache build .. other than the libdb thing.. |
| 21:48.49 | kergoth | the libtool class was fucking up |
| 21:48.56 | kergoth | cd'ing into a dir to run libtoolize and never returning to ${S}! |
| 21:55.29 | kano | while you are there, pkg_postinst () appaears not to be setting the permissions on CONTROL/postinst correctly. making an ipkg fails with "package script CONTROL/postinst is not executable" |
| 21:57.08 | kergoth | kano: does adding |
| 21:57.09 | kergoth | os.chmod(os.path.join(controldir, script), '0755') |
| 21:57.19 | kergoth | after scriptfile.close() in the package_ipk oeclass fix it? |
| 22:01.12 | kano | that causes the package_ipk class to fail |
| 22:01.23 | kergoth | .. |
| 22:01.25 | kergoth | elaborate |
| 22:01.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:02.14 | kano | os.chmod(os.path.join(controldir, script), 0755) |
| 22:02.20 | kano | last arg is an int |
| 22:02.43 | kano | spent ages trying to find where to put that :) |
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| 22:02.59 | kergoth | ahh |
| 22:03.09 | kergoth | what format does it need? mode_t? |
| 22:04.05 | kano | cant fins where it is mentioned |
| 22:04.21 | W8TVI|z | how goes it kergoth? |
| 22:04.22 | kano | the python docs just say "mode" |
| 22:04.25 | treke | kergoth: I have to give debian credit, their downgrade path is fairly decent |
| 22:04.33 | kergoth | kano: hmm |
| 22:04.44 | kano | 0755 seems to work anyway |
| 22:04.45 | kergoth | W8TVI|z: not bad, you? |
| 22:04.57 | kergoth | kano: k |
| 22:05.46 | W8TVI|z | ok... just wondering what offroadgeek is going to do if the tie for second place isnt broken... |
| 22:06.12 | W8TVI|z | gerrynjr on I are tied... |
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| 22:06.21 | kergoth | hey TheMasterMind1 |
| 22:07.09 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 22:07.10 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new |
| 22:07.42 | kergoth | not much, writing tslib modules |
| 22:07.45 | TheMasterMind1 | fun |
| 22:07.48 | kergoth | and beating on autotools |
| 22:07.51 | kergoth | as usual |
| 22:08.23 | kergoth | hey, when did patcher start properly being built first again? |
| 22:08.25 | kergoth | cool |
| 22:08.34 | kergoth | OEFILES=`ls */*.oe|grep -v binutils-cross|grep -v gcc-cross|grep -v uclibc` oemake -a |
| 22:08.37 | kergoth | heh! |
| 22:09.47 | treke | ok, this is where he hope the server comes back up |
| 22:11.57 | kergoth | lpotter: <pester>add qtopia to oe</pester> |
| 22:12.15 | lpotter | :) |
| 22:12.21 | lpotter | I will |
| 22:12.40 | treke | treke|home: <pester> add gpe to oe</pester> |
| 22:14.42 | kano | how is the kernel build in oe? as a seperate entity, or just a package that hasnt been ported yet? |
| 22:14.58 | kergoth | just packages that havent been added yet |
| 22:15.03 | treke | kernel is just another unadded package |
| 22:15.06 | kergoth | theres a basic kernel .oeclass you can use |
| 22:15.24 | treke | should be horribly easy to add |
| 22:15.31 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:15.45 | kergoth | do_configure_prepend() to install the defconfig to .config, and thats about it |
| 22:15.49 | kergoth | minus the S/SRC vars |
| 22:16.10 | kano | and then the full kernel config goe sin somewhere like oe/conf/husky.conf? |
| 22:16.23 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:16.27 | kergoth | the defconfig would go in FILESDIR |
| 22:16.40 | kano | k |
| 22:16.50 | kergoth | kernelpackagename/kernelpn-kernelpv-kernelpr/defconfig.husky |
| 22:16.51 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 22:17.32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: there'll be no problem stabilizing the collie ts on 2.4.21 |
| 22:19.42 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: awesome |
| 22:20.22 | kergoth | also going to make the calibration tool "calibrate" the pressure values, so that the range is equal across the entire display |
| 22:20.23 | TheMasterMind1 | so basically we need SD/mmc |
| 22:20.25 | kergoth | (it isnt always) |
| 22:20.27 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:20.47 | TheMasterMind1 | wasn't b{1,2}eattie working on that? |
| 22:20.58 | kergoth | yeah, dunno what happened there |
| 22:21.04 | kergoth | guess i can look at it again one of these days |
| 22:21.07 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 22:21.20 | kergoth | i'd really like to get the c7x0 code into an oz tree |
| 22:21.21 | kergoth | cleaned up |
| 22:21.27 | kergoth | worthless shit killed |
| 22:21.28 | TheMasterMind1 | that would be really nice |
| 22:22.04 | TheMasterMind1 | does hh.org have different kernels for ipaq models or do they add support to one kernel |
| 22:22.16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: one. and within a group it can detect it at runtime even |
| 22:22.32 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, nice |
| 22:22.35 | pb_ | yep. one kernel for strongarm, one kernel for pxa. |
| 22:22.53 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:22.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: really ought to spend time on 2.6 as well, now that its stabilized |
| 22:23.07 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:23.09 | treke | that also covers the axim and jornadas, correct? |
| 22:23.15 | pb_ | yep |
| 22:23.23 | TheMasterMind1 | how hard will it be to port our 2.4 tree to 2.6 |
| 22:23.26 | pb_ | axim uses the (perhaps mis-named by now) ipaqpxa kernel. |
| 22:23.28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not very |
| 22:23.43 | TheMasterMind1 | thats good |
| 22:23.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: remember how easy it was for me to port the 2.6 work i did back into 2.4? |
| 22:23.47 | kergoth | it was ab reeze |
| 22:23.48 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:23.51 | kergoth | though we didnt make use of hte device model |
| 22:23.54 | kergoth | we need to now |
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| 22:24.23 | pb_ | that'd rock. |
| 22:24.43 | treke | that'd rock. |
| 22:25.11 | kergoth | you see that email from the guy trying to get automatic module loading working on concert with udev? so that attempts to access the device, even though it isnt there yet, loads it |
| 22:25.16 | kergoth | i hope he gets that going |
| 22:25.19 | kergoth | would be nice |
| 22:25.20 | TheMasterMind1 | slashdot today is insane |
| 22:25.27 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:25.29 | pb_ | ah, no, didn't see that note. sounds cool though. |
| 22:25.32 | kano | 2.6 has other nice things, like cryptoloop, which is quite nice for pda kit |
| 22:25.37 | kergoth | kano: indeed |
| 22:25.39 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot udev |
| 22:25.40 | | TheMasterMind1: wish i knew |
| 22:25.45 | TheMasterMind1 | whats udev? |
| 22:25.56 | pb_ | I need to spend some more time on 2.6 as well, now the h5400 port is finally making progress again. |
| 22:25.57 | kergoth | ibot: search google for udev |
| 22:26.14 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: does the same job as devfs, but sucks less |
| 22:26.34 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 22:26.35 | kergoth | userspace, uses hotplug, configurable naming schemes |
| 22:26.38 | TheMasterMind1 | i didn't know devfs sucked |
| 22:26.40 | kergoth | just much spiffiness |
| 22:26.42 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 22:27.02 | CosmicPumpkin | devfs definately sucks |
| 22:27.09 | pb_ | admittedly, sucking less than devfs might not sound like much of an achievement, but udev is still cool. |
| 22:27.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:28.24 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:28.30 | TheMasterMind1 | time to watch second hour of 24 |
| 22:28.38 | kergoth | As the |
| 22:28.39 | kergoth | current installed base of devfs users can probably all fit into my |
| 22:28.42 | kergoth | basement with room to spare, and no one is coming up with such a file |
| 22:28.45 | kergoth | for udev yet, I don't think this is a real need yet :) |
| 22:28.47 | kergoth | --gregkh |
| 22:28.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:28.55 | CosmicPumpkin | My GWB mask is wearing thin |
| 22:29.03 | pb_ | kergoth: heh |
| 22:29.21 | kano | TheMasterMind1> season3? |
| 22:29.25 | TheMasterMind1 | ya |
| 22:29.30 | kano | tis good :) |
| 22:29.32 | TheMasterMind1 | i think |
| 22:29.37 | TheMasterMind1 | whatever this season is |
| 22:29.40 | pb_ | there's a season 3 already? I'm behind the times. |
| 22:29.59 | lpotter | wtf is SCO thinking? |
| 22:30.16 | TheMasterMind1 | first ep of this season was the first ep i've seen.. some things are really annoying though, like the overuse of technical terms |
| 22:32.00 | treke | lpotter: what did they do? |
| 22:32.12 | treke | pb_: I liked season 2 better than season 1 |
| 22:32.31 | CosmicPumpkin | lpotter: PROFIT |
| 22:32.37 | lpotter | distributing GPL code using something other than the GPL |
| 22:32.53 | pb_ | treke: ah. I have the season 2 dvd set here, just haven't found a spare 24 hours to watch it yet |
| 22:33.04 | treke | dvds are good :p |
| 22:34.09 | CosmicPumpkin | I like the UI they are all using on their systems |
| 22:34.14 | CosmicPumpkin | Very artistic |
| 22:35.22 | treke | I like the little pattern they seem to have. |
| 22:36.46 | CosmicPumpkin | kergoth: don't start - it will break you heart |
| 22:45.08 | Twiun | rehi |
| 22:45.20 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 22:47.01 | Twiun | what news? |
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| 22:49.41 | kergoth | Twiun: new? nothing really |
| 22:49.46 | kergoth | s/new/news/ |
| 22:50.30 | Twiun | did ljp say anything about qtawt? |
| 22:51.54 | kergoth | nope |
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| 22:53.59 | Twiun | wb ljp |
| 22:54.13 | Twiun | How's the hangover? |
| 22:54.24 | lpotter | hi |
| 22:54.28 | lpotter | oh.. good |
| 22:54.57 | pb_ | unusual for a hangover. |
| 22:55.03 | Twiun | did you see QtAWT plastered all over TT's latest news items? |
| 22:55.32 | lpotter | hmmm |
| 22:55.53 | Twiun | except that it's not in any of the SDKs I know |
| 22:56.14 | lpotter | ahh, but I see they announced motorola, so I can talk about it now |
| 22:56.29 | Twiun | wonderful, spill everything you can ;) |
| 22:56.54 | lpotter | its a phone |
| 22:57.03 | Twiun | A760, yes |
| 22:57.07 | lpotter | that runs Opie :) |
| 22:57.21 | Twiun | not vanilla Qtopia? |
| 22:57.30 | lpotter | :) |
| 22:57.35 | lpotter | I was joking |
| 22:57.51 | lpotter | or, should I say - it will soon run Opie after it's released |
| 22:57.54 | lpotter | heeee |
| 22:57.58 | Twiun | gotta be careful ;) so... qtawt... available to devs for motorola? |
| 22:58.13 | lpotter | where that news? |
| 22:58.22 | Twiun | lemme get the link |
| 22:58.56 | Twiun | lpotter: http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/announcements/00000146.html |
| 22:59.08 | Twiun | Qtopia - phone edition |
| 22:59.23 | Twiun | "Java integration: |
| 22:59.24 | Twiun | Several Java Virtual Machines (JVM?) are already running on Qtopia Phone, including Esmertec.s Jeode? and IBM® VisualAge. Micro Edition. Java applications integrate seamlessly into Qtopia phone, providing phone manufacturers Java content with a native look and feel." |
| 23:00.19 | lpotter | I think IBM is doing the java |
| 23:00.30 | kano | I presume they mean J2ME rather than J2SE though? |
| 23:00.31 | Twiun | yeah, but TT is providing the QtAWT |
| 23:00.55 | Twiun | kano: possibly - there's a J2SE available for the iPAQ, called Savaje |
| 23:01.03 | Twiun | kano: so it's not certain |
| 23:02.41 | kano | still it would be a nice thing to have, although phone companies may not like it. it means people can start writing scanners and fuzzers to probe the gprs networks from inside |
| 23:03.15 | kano | that Java bit doesnt to that obviously |
| 23:04.08 | Twiun | even so - it's surprisingly simple to do that stuff - without java |
| 23:04.38 | Twiun | the java portscanners are laughable - Java is pretty limited networking-wise |
| 23:05.20 | kano | yeah, Java networking is meant for high level stuff though, not raw socket networking |
| 23:05.36 | kano | java can only really do tcp connect scans |
| 23:05.48 | Twiun | kano: unless you go through JNI - using jpcap for instance |
| 23:06.05 | lpotter | no wonder I drank so much last night. it was an announcement party |
| 23:06.28 | kano | Twiun> it is very mess though |
| 23:06.35 | kergoth | aclocal: configure.in: 28: macro `AM_GNU_GETTEXT' not found in library |
| 23:06.49 | Twiun | kano: tell me about it - I've done some JNI |
| 23:06.51 | lpotter | hehee |
| 23:06.52 | kergoth | guess i have to though |
| 23:07.03 | Twiun | lpotter: Hehehehe |
| 23:07.22 | Twiun | lpotter: so... am I going to get some good news in my mailbox or are they going to mull it some more? |
| 23:07.23 | lpotter | just make a mini distribution in a mini distribution to make oe |
| 23:07.40 | lpotter | I'll poke more on Monday |
| 23:07.45 | kano | arghh, the bash package is getting annoying as well: "No rule to make target `/tool/oz/oe/packages/tmp/base/bash-2.05b-r0/ba |
| 23:07.48 | kano | sh-2.05b/aclocal.m4 |
| 23:07.51 | kano | " |
| 23:07.55 | Twiun | lpotter: thanks ;) |
| 23:08.09 | Twiun | lpotter: don't hesitate to ask me if you want some more details |
| 23:08.25 | lpotter | ok |
| 23:12.26 | Twiun | sed's been SCO'd! |
| 23:13.02 | kergoth | i like that way of managing the release. dont just include aclocal.m4, but instead include all the .m4 files that were needed to generate it |
| 23:14.42 | kergoth | pop music has always been crappy, and will always be crappy |
| 23:16.48 | lpotter | sooo... who's going to start opie phone? |
| 23:17.02 | kergoth | depends on how open the phone specific features are :0 |
| 23:17.21 | lpotter | they did a lot of work on making qtopia key based |
| 23:17.33 | kergoth | i was thinking about that myself |
| 23:17.48 | kergoth | of possibly adding an input layer driver that could manage a phone like key interface -> keycodes |
| 23:17.54 | kergoth | so it could work in console |
| 23:17.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:20.06 | TheMasterMind1 | announce what |
| 23:20.17 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the linux/qtopia smartphone |
| 23:20.25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2574901485.html |
| 23:21.04 | treke | question is, will trolltech opensource any of the phone crap |
| 23:21.20 | kergoth | probably not |
| 23:21.39 | TheMasterMind1 | pretty cool |
| 23:21.41 | lpotter | yes |
| 23:21.43 | kergoth | worst case we rev eng parts of it |
| 23:22.47 | lpotter | the problem is, most countries phones are regulated |
| 23:23.49 | treke | and they damn good too. |
| 23:24.12 | treke | can't be any geek off the street, got to be handy with the steel, know what I mean? |
| 23:24.24 | lpotter | no |
| 23:28.15 | kano | the big problem with phones is that there is really no way to get into the guts, once linux is on one, it should be a lot easier to extract the inner workings |
| 23:28.25 | kergoth | kano: indeed |
| 23:29.13 | lpotter | I think theres regulations about doing that though |
| 23:29.57 | lpotter | there are regulations on how easy it has to be to dial emergency numbers like 911 |
| 23:31.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:31.09 | kergoth | it does look pretty nice |
| 23:32.21 | lpotter | it has an illusion of a magnifying thing that moves to the different things - Aplications Settings Games |
| 23:33.10 | kergoth | argh |
| 23:33.19 | kergoth | nano, why do you have to use AM_PATH_GLIB when you dont use glib? |
| 23:33.20 | kergoth | why? |
| 23:34.10 | kergoth | oh, i bet its just to fuck with me |
| 23:34.11 | kergoth | thats it |
| 23:35.30 | pb_ | you figured it out eventually |
| 23:36.04 | kergoth | heheh. the annoying thing is, they ship all the macros they need in aclocal.m4, but i have to wipe it to get the new libtool stuff |
| 23:36.06 | kano | kergoth> btw, were you going to add an STAGING_INCDIR? |
| 23:36.13 | kergoth | and most dont include the independent .m4's that built it |
| 23:36.16 | kergoth | so boom |