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00:43.39treke|homekergoth:
00:43.57treke|homekergoth: CCACHE_DISABLE
00:44.13treke|homealong with CCACHE_RECACHE
00:44.40kergothahh. i knew about disable, but not about recache
00:44.44kergothcool
00:45.20treke|homerecache tells it to cache the results, but not use already cached  results
00:46.33treke|homeccache and gentoo have not been my friend so far :)
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01:33.20lpotterCCACHE_RECACHE_BANKACCOUNT
01:44.58bipolarDoes anyone know of a generic reason why calender events with alarms wouldn't wake the Z up?
01:53.59lpotteratd not running?
01:54.07lpotteror. hmm
01:54.14lpotterwhats opie use
01:55.15bipolaryeah... I'm not sure if OZ needs qtd anymore. I forget.
01:55.22bipolarIt's not installed though.
01:56.34bipolars/qtd/atd
01:57.27kergothopie uses opiealarm
01:57.32kergothnot a daemon, its called at suspend time
01:58.40bipolarok...
01:59.04bipolardoes it still use the /var/spool/at pipe?
01:59.14bipolaror something else?
02:01.22kergothjust a single file. 'resumeat', which is the datetime to wake the Z up next.
02:02.14bipolarkergoth: and opiealarm sets the rtc alarm all by itself without a lower level interface?
02:02.31bipolarI just want to be sure all my dependances are met for getting alarms to work.
02:04.40kergothyes, it sets it by itself.
02:04.44bipolarok
02:05.06kergothon suspend it gets called with -s for suspend, it opens resumeat, opens the rtc, sets the wakeup time, and also syncs the system clock to the hardware clock while its at it
02:05.25bipolarkergoth: Yeah, I see that in the apm suspend scripts.
02:06.38bipolarI havent had time to work on my Z for a long time. Maybe this is fixed upstream now.
02:06.51bipolarI wish there were 40 hours in a day sometimes.
02:07.59treke|laptopwheee
02:08.03treke|laptopHEAD  hates me
02:09.32bipolartreke|laptop: ???
02:09.47treke|laptopopie's HEAD branch
02:09.54bipolaroh....
02:10.00bipolarthats a scary place
02:10.01bipolar:)
02:10.26treke|laptopwould be much less scary we could get everyone to work on head
02:10.57bipolarisn't 1.0.1 scheduled to be released soon?
02:11.08treke|laptop1.0.2
02:11.42bipolaroh.
02:11.52bipolardamn.. i missed alot
02:13.30bipolarBRANCH_1.0 is still what should be built for the feed, right?
02:13.34treke|laptopyes
02:13.37bipolark
02:13.41bipolarjust checking :)
02:15.31lpottermandrake 9.2 breaks cdroms... col
02:15.36bipolarheh
02:20.51bipolarfigured out what was making my Z not wake up for alarms.
02:21.09bipolarapmd was not running
02:23.01lpotteralarms are overrated
02:23.14treke|laptoptrolltech is overrated
02:23.50treke|laptopI've been listening to the menu dialog for the sopranos season 3 for the last half an hour
02:23.52lpotterohhhhh.. them's fightin' words
02:24.04bipolarhahah
02:24.35lpotterQtopia won "Best Embedded Distribution"
02:24.54lpotterpretty good for not being a distribution
02:24.55bipolarguess they didn't look at opie. ;p
02:25.00bipolarhehheh
02:25.14treke|laptoplpotter: that was funny
02:25.20treke|laptoplpotter: since third place was embeddix
02:25.27lpotterheheeee
02:28.15treke|laptopcompiling head is just a mess
02:28.25bipolarI wish there was a way to change calendar alarms to play something that sounds better then the stupid "beep beep beep". That just sucks
02:28.28treke|laptoptoo bad I really want a feature out of it
02:29.07lpottertreke: please fix it
02:29.35lpotterbipolar: there's an app that will do that for sharps rom, not sure if it works for oz
02:29.37treke|laptopno point in fixing it until people can agree not to break things :)
02:30.20bipolarlpotter: Does sharps rom even let you use the internal speaker as a DSP device?
02:30.24kergothlpotter: completely unnecessary.
02:30.33kergothsharp has to use a dma interface on their stupid buzzer char device
02:30.40kergothwe have a normal dsp, play through normal methods.
02:32.22bipolarkergoth: which dsp device is the internal speaker?
02:33.52kergothdsp or dsp1, i dont recall which offhand
02:35.14treke|laptopwtf do are examples in a half dozen places
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02:35.54treke|laptopand why are the commong compile errors in german
02:37.32lpotter?
02:38.07treke|laptopopie/examples/COMMON_ERRORS
02:38.32treke|laptopzecke wrote that document with german error messages
02:39.39bipolarsucks
02:39.41lpotterhmmm
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03:07.29bipolardid opensource.lineo.com get moved or is it just down? I can't build the friken kernel without it. ;(
03:12.43treke|laptoplpotter: can you send me the patch for qt-embedded again?
03:12.44treke|laptop:p
03:12.57lpotterya
03:13.11treke|laptopthe one for the rotation
03:13.48W8TVIwhats the error that gaim use to give on the command line last version?
03:17.01lpotter"Give it up and use AOL instead"
03:18.05CIArepository=03packages user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com
03:18.05CIA07ChangeSet@1.271 Add dhcpcd 1.3.22-pl4.
03:18.26W8TVIcool
03:18.35W8TVIoh...
03:18.40W8TVIthats not the server
03:19.24treke|laptoplpotter: Are we trying to maintain libopie binary compatibility at this point?
03:19.54lpotterhmmm..
03:20.01lpottercompatible to what?
03:20.10treke|laptopto prebious versions
03:20.25treke|laptoptrying to decide how to handle rotation
03:22.06lpotterdunno. I just threw the apm_bios query into the qws keyevent and after suspend, but dont know if its needed after suspend or not
03:22.51treke|laptopyou need it after resume
03:23.08treke|laptopwhich isn't guaranteed to be after  apm returns
03:23.15lpotterwell, seems to be working for me
03:24.06treke|laptopyou need it after resume to take into account the situation where the  user rotates the screen while it's suspended
03:25.01lpotterhmm
03:25.44treke|laptopok. I'm adding defaultRotation and defaultDirection to ODevice
03:28.10CIArepository=03packages user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com
03:28.11CIA07ChangeSet@1.272 Add dhclient 2.0pl5 (has both client and server, need to make the packaging more granular).
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03:32.14lpotteryup auto rotating works after resume
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03:32.27treke|laptopcool
03:33.24lpotterdoes the c760 have an ati display?
03:34.05lpotterwondering if the qte ati accelerated fb configure could work
03:35.14lpotteroh, maybe 2.3.7 doesnt have ati
03:35.17treke|laptopbastard
03:35.18treke|laptopbastard
03:35.59lpotter?
03:36.13treke|laptopyou and your hardware accelerated qt drivers
03:36.34lpotterjust trying to speed things up. ;)
03:38.00masticatorfucking yankees
03:38.13treke|laptoplpotter: familiar with odefice?
03:38.16treke|laptopodevice
03:38.30lpottera little bit
03:39.04CIArepository=03packages user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com
03:39.04CIA07ChangeSet@1.273 Add diethotplug 0.4.
03:39.05treke|laptopODevice::direction is documentedas returning the current rotation
03:39.19treke|laptopdo you know if that's true or if it returns the default rotation
03:39.27treke|laptopI dont see where it would ever get updated
03:39.43kergothum, there are methods in qpeapplication, accessible via qcop calls for that
03:39.47kergothiirc
03:40.18treke|laptopkergoth: the point of odevice is to keep this crap out of qpeapplication :p
03:40.47treke|laptopkergoth: Looking at the code makes me think it already does what I want, looking at the documentation doesnt :p
03:41.10kergothno, the point of odevice is to put deviceisms in one place
03:41.21treke|laptopright, and this is a deviceism
03:41.35kergothdeviceisms arent necessarily the interface
03:41.50kergothdeviceisms can also be the implementation under another interface
03:41.50kergothheh
03:42.02lpotterman, it certainly feels like the tropics today
03:42.04treke|laptopkergoth: I
03:42.08treke|laptopfuck
03:42.24treke|laptopI'd prefer not to change the interface if the current one is doing what I want.
03:43.35lpotterhmm, in odeive, the c700 section flipstate will always be false
03:43.53treke|laptoplpotter: hehe,  that I was also thinking :p
03:45.06lpotterbut thats init, anyway. but written like it could be both
03:45.47lpottererr, either
03:45.49treke|laptopflipstate *should* be the hinge state
03:46.00treke|laptopit just isn't implemented
03:46.09lpotteryup
03:46.36treke|laptopoh well. I'll just do this and see if it breaks
03:49.52lpotterbother, even
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03:54.03lpottercool, indy car race about to start just south of here
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04:27.27TheMasterMind1ooh
04:27.29TheMasterMind1test9
04:28.01bipolarheh
04:30.38Pendalarhas anyone had a backup batt in the Z go dead?
04:31.20W8TVII have
04:38.01Pendalarand what causes that generally?
04:38.12Pendalarand did it come back to life on it's own accord
04:38.38kergothit gets charged by the main bat
04:38.59Pendalarmy main batt is apparently fine
04:39.15PendalarI mean it charges, cuts off etc.. I get normal usage out of the unit
04:41.03bipolarPendalar: : I have
04:41.09kergothwhat makes you think your backup battery is dead?
04:41.22Pendalardmesg keeps saying check it
04:41.36Pendalarotherwise it seems fine
04:41.43kergoththats a bullshit message
04:42.00Pendalargood then =-) I don't care to take it apart and screw something up
04:43.21bipolarPendalar: if you're batt goes dead, you won't be able to replace the battery without a hard reset. Mine was killed by water damage, along with the SD slot.
04:43.41Pendalarhard reset doesn't bother me
04:43.52PendalarI can have it back how I want it in ~30 secs
04:44.18bipolarok, time for bed...
04:44.27kergothhard reset doesnt do anything in oz anyway
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09:59.31TCMANhi
10:01.12carstenhi
10:01.21lpotterhola
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10:28.14Twiunmornin'
10:28.28pb_hi Twiun
10:31.32TCMANits 2 am :)
11:02.56yeiazelit's noon
11:03.14TCMANit depends where you thing the center of the world is :)))
11:03.23TCMANgrr, think
11:04.07TCMANyeiazel: check this out www.dominikbehr.com/commiezaurus
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11:11.38TwiunTCMAN: right here of course
11:12.37TCMANhehe
11:12.50TCMANits where i sit :)
11:29.00yeiazelTCMAN: LOL :)
11:29.29TCMANyeiazel: do you like my Z ? :)
11:29.38yeiazelit's yours ?
11:29.40yeiazelAAAHHHH
11:29.42TCMANyup
11:29.43yeiazelso ugly
11:30.09TCMANwho else could be so stupid to paint his z ? :)))
11:30.26yeiazelnot me
11:31.20TCMANi kinda hoped to break it, but it works
11:37.12yeiazellol :)
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12:16.15Titeufhi
12:17.49lpotterhello
12:20.07TCMANgood night
12:24.19lpotterhmm
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13:31.39Twiunhahahaha http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=83578&cid=7309661
13:34.00mickeylhehe
13:34.01mickeylyeah
13:34.08mickeylthe ./ effect
13:34.17mickeyl- /. even
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14:06.48treke|homehmmm this isnt good
14:08.42Twiunwhat's up?
14:09.20treke|homesounds like the wild fire in the area is about two miles from my parents house and not stopping
14:09.50pb_hell
14:10.22treke|homeI'm 20 miles away and I can smell the smoke from here now.
14:11.03pb_yah, I remember seeing the california fires on the news last night.  does sound bad.
14:19.27Titeufi try to compile ncurses but it doesn't seem to work, can someone help me ?
14:19.58Titeufit fails in do_configure
14:20.56treke|homemickeyl: Started on the cleaner rotation patch, got as far as opie-appearance and cant figure out how to fit the check box in :p
14:21.06treke|homeTiteuf: look up the error in do_configures log
14:21.49Titeufthe 1st is : autoheader: missing template: NCURSES_EXT_FUNCS
14:22.09Titeufso autoheader fails
14:23.32mickeyltreke: yeah, gui programming can be tough ;)
14:24.13treke|homeIf I try and stuff it onto the advanced tab with the other rotation stuff it barely fits, if I make a new tab It's completely empty :p
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14:32.02Titeufhum... if i try to compile ncurses 4.2, it doesn't work better
14:32.29Titeufdo_compile : recursive variable HOSTCC :/
14:34.40treke|homeshit, they think the fire was set by a couple of teenagers.
14:35.28Titeuf:/
14:35.49mickeyltreke: wait
14:35.54mickeyltreke: you're wrong in appearance
14:36.02mickeyltreke: we already have rotation settings in launcher-settings
14:36.04treke|homeI'm wrong in appearance?
14:36.06mickeyltreke: better add it there
14:36.24mickeyl(literally) :D
14:36.31treke|homemickeyl: I'm looking a branch_1_0 source not heard
14:36.36treke|homeharlekin moved it to appearance
14:36.42mickeylheh?
14:36.44mickeylwhen?
14:36.48mickeylwhy?
14:36.48treke|homebeats me
14:36.53treke|homesame answer
14:37.09treke|homemickeyl: We really really need to straighten up CVS :p
14:38.00mickeylthat for sure
14:38.02mickeylok i see it
14:38.14mickeyltreke: i recommend adding a new tab "rotation"
14:38.26mickeyland move the old rotation settings in "advanced" to that tab also
14:39.25treke|homeI'm working against that'll have to wait. Looks like I've gotta go help evacuate
14:39.28treke|homelater
14:39.35mickeylk
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16:59.31Twiunmickey|home: mouse interactivity is making it into fbAWT ;) (slowly mind you)
17:00.37mickey|homecoolness. will that be a standalone package if its finished?
17:01.46mickey|homes/if/when
17:01.50Twiunhehehehe
17:02.04Twiunwhat fbAWT or the mouse stuff?
17:02.14mickey|homefbAWT
17:02.28Twiunthe mouse interactivity is just binding the VNC events to the AWT event layer
17:02.31treke|homehmmm. not as bad as it looked earlier
17:02.46mickey|hometreke: everything ok with your people?
17:02.49Twiunwell... fbAWT will require a JVM of some type
17:03.07treke|homemickey|home: Yup. Fire department burned a backfire, and it looks like the fire is moving in the other direction now.
17:03.14mickey|homeTwiun: what are you basing it on, atm.? kafee?
17:03.18Twiunbut otherwise, yeah it's standalone
17:03.20mickey|hometreke: good
17:03.37treke|homeThe sky is just nasty out here.
17:03.38Twiunmickey|home: no need - it reuses the JVM's existing AWT classes
17:03.50Twiunmickey|home: these are just a peer backend
17:04.14Twiunmickey|home: so atm I develop on top of Sun's JVM - easier on a desktop
17:04.19mickey|homeyeah
17:04.27Twiunmickey|home: but I'm being careful to use only compatible APIs
17:09.32treke|homemickey|home: good news is it looks like ODevice doesnt need to change, it's just misdocumented
17:10.32mickey|hometreke: hah. even better :)
17:14.39treke|homerotation() and direction() return the rotation set at init() time, which is never changed, so all we need to do is overload it to return the rotation we want and then we can use that
17:14.55mickey|homei see
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17:40.12masticatorsup dudes.
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18:05.36yeiazelhi chouimat
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18:41.01nodaMoo!
18:42.39chouimathey noda
18:43.33treke|laptopnoda
18:43.38nodaYeah?
18:43.50chouimathi treke|laptop Twiun
18:44.03treke|laptopchouimat
18:44.21bipolaryo all
18:44.36bipolaranyone know whats happening to opensource.lineo.com?
18:45.11chouimatbipolar they are being renamed closedsource.lineo.com?
18:45.34bipolarheh
18:45.40mickey|dinnerlol
18:45.53bipolarMust be something to do with switching to the metroworks domain.
18:47.18bipolarfor some reason  http://opensource.lineo.com/~timr/zaurus/smallfonts.diff is needed by kernel-collie and it's the only file needed from that source.
18:48.03mickeyljust skip that patch - it's not that important
18:50.07bipolarI think I have a copy of in in another tree. I could post it to bipolar.longbros.com if it's useful
18:50.19mickeylbetter to openzaurus.org
18:50.27mickeylwe already have a few things mirrored there iirc
18:50.50bipolarhmm... I only have access to the unstable feed area, so I can't post it.
18:53.37mickeylhmm
18:53.40mickeylyou're listed as developer
18:53.54mickeylthat would imply you have access to all below openzaurus.org/htdocs
18:54.13nodamickeyl: Not if the stuff's owned by someone else.
18:54.33treke|laptoppermissions are handled horribly on our space :)
18:54.46mickeylwell, i just touched a file below homne/groups/o/op/openzaurus/htdocs/mirror
18:54.50mickeylso i guess you can do it also
18:56.46bipolarhttp://bipolar.longbros.com/zaurus/smallfonts.diff
18:57.02mickeylokay
18:57.02bipolarmickeyl: I'll see if I can
18:57.10mickeylavailable under openzaurus.org/mirror
18:57.25bipolaroh.. you already did it mickeyl?
18:57.28mickeylyeah
18:57.33bipolarheh.. ok :)
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19:15.21dhrI'm leary of BK license.  Is there a cvs extraction of the BK archive available?
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19:42.52chouimatok later my 2 hours of computing for this afternoon is ending so
20:14.01mickeyldhr: yes. snapshots are available. I recommend reading the channel topic.
20:27.23CIArepository=03buildroot user=11mickey@allanon.vanille.de
20:27.24CIA07ChangeSet@1.1372 ljp: read and obey ;)
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20:32.10TCMANhi
20:35.25treke|homethe topic is too obvious :)
20:36.00mickeylreading is too cumbersume :)
20:36.11TCMANheh
20:36.20mickeyli've seen the tendency to treat mailing lists as write-only. seems to start here on irc, too :)
20:36.43TCMANeveryone is idling anyway :)
20:49.38W8TVIla! la! la! I can't hear you!
20:49.40W8TVI:P
20:54.35TCMANW8TVI: look what i did to my z www.dominikbehr.com/commiezaurus/
21:00.33W8TVItalk about red
21:00.41TCMANhehe
21:00.51W8TVIwhat did you paint it with?
21:00.57TCMANi need help :))))
21:01.13TCMANsome acrylic spray paint from k-mart
21:01.24TCMANbtw, they guard they spray paints better than guns
21:01.26W8TVIah
21:01.51TCMANi needed to ask like 3 times for someone to come and open the locker with paints
21:02.22W8TVIheh
21:02.58W8TVIat Meijer they keep the spaypaint on the shelfs like everything else
21:04.02TCMANwell, i have seen stores where you can buy paint with no problem too
21:04.17TCMANbut kmart was the closest one
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21:05.07TCMANwell, at least i learned that i suck at painting :)
21:05.20TCMANbut my Z looks a bit more interesting
21:06.12TCMANsharp should make them in many colors
21:06.17W8TVIhmmm...
21:06.35W8TVII have some bright blue and some simi-flat black
21:06.58TCMANblack, red, blue, yellow, maybe green
21:08.25TCMANsharp seems to build cool toys for themselves and sell them only as an afterthought
21:09.05W8TVIhow did you do it?
21:09.34TCMANyou have to dissassemble your z
21:10.01W8TVInot hard,,,
21:10.05TCMANdont force anything, just be sure to uncscrew all screws
21:10.18W8TVII've taken my apart
21:10.25TCMANthe ir window and LED's windows can be removed
21:10.32W8TVIyep
21:10.44TCMANdisassemble the sliding panel too
21:10.48TCMANremove the keys
21:11.06TCMANfor masking i used isolation tape
21:11.35TCMANyou can use something adhesive and soft that fits into all places
21:11.46W8TVIit looks like you sprayed it from too close
21:12.05TCMANmask the keyboard, black stripe around z, and the metal thingy with personal mobile too
21:12.13TCMANalso mask the battery compartment
21:12.55TCMANW8TVI: yeah, i removed the paint from the back and painted it again, thats why there are nicks there
21:13.01W8TVIah
21:13.05TCMANW8TVI: probably two layers would be better too
21:13.10W8TVIyep
21:13.26TCMANi tried to use acetone to remove old paint first but it dissolves z plastic
21:13.33W8TVIdo another from about a foot and a 1/2
21:13.49W8TVIacetone is nasty stuff
21:13.53TCMANso i didnt remove old paint
21:14.16TCMANyeah, i put a droplet on inside of z and it was almost like alient blood
21:14.28W8TVIheh
21:14.30TCMANthe paint itself made z's plastic a little softer too
21:14.47TCMANso probably other solvent has to be used for removing paint
21:15.16TCMANmy wifes nail polish remover seemed to work :) and it says on the bottle its not acetone based :)
21:17.11TCMANi painted it from about 2 feet
21:17.31TCMANi probably put too much paint, i should have done two passes
21:24.20TCMANi gotta go, cu guys
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21:45.43W8TVIsharp should sell the zaurii with winCE on them, and have the linux rom on the driver cd if you would rather have the linux based one...
21:46.02W8TVIthey could be main stream
21:46.18treke|laptopUhm, why would sharp waste the money on linux if they were using WinCE?
21:46.37W8TVImaybe they could do it like the ipaq
21:47.54treke|laptopThe ipaq port came out of work compaq was already doing at crl
21:48.38W8TVIit makes as much sence as what sharp is doing now
21:48.58treke|laptopnone at all? :p
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23:15.59dhrmickeyl|bbl: I was looking for a CVS -- something with the history still present.
23:18.25treke|laptopdhr: No cvs access
23:18.30treke|laptopIt's bitkeeper or snapshots.
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