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| 00:59.36 | W8TVI | ibot seen jbot |
| 00:59.37 | | W8TVI: i haven't seen 'jbot' |
| 00:59.40 | W8TVI | heh |
| 01:27.26 | treke|home | man. I hate it when you go to the store expecting a dvd to be out and it isnt out :) |
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| 01:29.14 | W8TVI | treke: what DVD? |
| 01:30.08 | treke|home | sopranos season 4 |
| 01:30.50 | W8TVI | ah |
| 01:31.25 | W8TVI | I need to buy another laptop HDD for my magnia |
| 01:31.57 | W8TVI | that way I can mess with running other distos on it and not mess up the (simi) working one I got now |
| 01:32.32 | treke|home | vmware |
| 01:32.34 | treke|home | :p |
| 01:33.09 | kergoth | UML |
| 01:33.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:33.34 | W8TVI | kergoth: have you taken your sg20 apart? |
| 01:33.52 | kergoth | W8TVI: yep, friend and i disassembled it to check the hackability |
| 01:33.58 | kergoth | see if we could get serial or what have you |
| 01:34.09 | W8TVI | no serial? |
| 01:34.35 | kergoth | nope. there are points where we figured you might be able to get vga and a keyboard, but didnt look like there was a spot for serial |
| 01:34.44 | kergoth | course theres always the minipci slot |
| 01:34.48 | W8TVI | ah |
| 01:34.48 | kergoth | that has the modem by default |
| 01:35.19 | W8TVI | the modem isn't on com1 or 2 |
| 01:35.30 | W8TVI | its on its own |
| 01:35.40 | kergoth | s/com/tty/ |
| 01:35.43 | kergoth | s/tty/ttyS/ |
| 01:35.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:35.46 | W8TVI | I know |
| 01:35.47 | W8TVI | :P |
| 01:36.54 | treke|home | uml probably works also |
| 01:37.22 | kergoth | treke|home: played with uml? |
| 01:37.30 | kergoth | i just messed with it for the first time fairly recently |
| 01:37.36 | kergoth | damn cool stuff |
| 01:37.36 | treke|home | kergoth: not much |
| 01:37.39 | treke|home | I think I tried it once |
| 01:37.42 | kergoth | being able to gdb ./linux is just badass |
| 01:37.44 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:38.09 | treke|home | sometimes I like playing with non linux os's also :p |
| 01:38.20 | kergoth | well yeah, vmware is nice for that |
| 01:38.27 | kergoth | but i like using uml for linux due to the less overhead |
| 01:38.31 | treke|home | yup |
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| 01:38.54 | W8TVI | kergoth: ttyS0 is the LCD, and ttyS14 is the modem |
| 01:39.02 | kergoth | W8TVI: ah. |
| 01:39.09 | W8TVI | but I found a reference to ttyS1 |
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| 01:50.37 | treke|home | looks like my 17inch monitor is finally dead |
| 01:51.28 | ljp | now you can get a 19" |
| 01:51.49 | treke|home | I'd rather pay for my car repairs :p |
| 01:52.55 | ljp | hmmm |
| 01:53.27 | treke|home | I still have a 19 inch monitor, but it's hard to go back after having two :p |
| 01:56.45 | kergoth | 19 here. should get a second |
| 01:56.59 | W8TVI | I have a samtron 19" |
| 01:57.02 | W8TVI | very nice |
| 01:57.16 | W8TVI | I want a 61" plasma |
| 01:57.29 | ljp | I want a 64" plasma |
| 01:57.31 | kergoth | god i hate reinstalling all my crap in windows |
| 01:57.51 | kergoth | windows needs apt feeds and --set-selections |
| 01:57.52 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:58.13 | ljp | kergoth: after a while, you get to know the routine of what apps you really use and bother to install |
| 01:58.15 | treke|home | I still love my 2 18inch lcds at home :p |
| 01:58.22 | treke|home | er work |
| 01:58.37 | kergoth | ljp: yeah, i know. even so, its annoying to have to reinstall everything |
| 01:58.41 | kergoth | just wasted time. |
| 01:58.47 | kergoth | linux spoils me with efficiency |
| 01:59.02 | treke|home | s/linux/debian |
| 01:59.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:59.12 | W8TVI | I havent had to reinstall windows xp in about a year |
| 01:59.15 | kergoth | good point |
| 01:59.26 | kergoth | took me like a month to get this damn rh73 lappie into a usable state |
| 02:02.42 | treke|home | You know what worries me? |
| 02:02.57 | W8TVI | <rhlin> is the newest redhat out yet? |
| 02:02.57 | W8TVI | <W8TVI> the newest redhat is always out |
| 02:03.08 | treke|home | Microsoft deciding to write the most stable and user efficient OS ever |
| 02:03.18 | W8TVI | oh? |
| 02:03.27 | W8TVI | I havent seen it yet |
| 02:03.38 | treke|home | W8TVI: No shit, they havent decided to do that |
| 02:03.54 | treke|home | If they did, we'd be in trouble :) |
| 02:03.59 | W8TVI | heh |
| 02:04.16 | W8TVI | if they did that, I might want to use it |
| 02:04.33 | kergoth | user efficient isnt generally developer efficient. i'd stick with linux. |
| 02:05.03 | treke|home | kergoth: Well, I think user efficient and developer efficient are the same thing |
| 02:05.12 | treke|home | it's user friendly that's different from user efficient :p |
| 02:05.35 | kergoth | heh, good point |
| 02:05.51 | kergoth | theres no way in hell they'd do that. there are times when user friendly is at odds with user efficiency |
| 02:05.56 | treke|home | yup |
| 02:06.08 | treke|home | they are in business to write the most profitable os :p |
| 02:06.48 | ljp | kergoth: idead for when oe builds images, auto versioning of the initrd.bin file.. <someversionbased on the current time>-initrd.bin |
| 02:06.55 | ljp | idea, not idead |
| 02:07.04 | kergoth | better idea |
| 02:07.12 | kergoth | make the image run name a variable |
| 02:07.18 | kergoth | settable to whatever you want in your metadata |
| 02:07.29 | kergoth | so for you, itd be IMAGENAME=${DATE}${TIME} |
| 02:07.32 | kergoth | in yoru local.conf |
| 02:07.51 | W8TVI | hmmm it seems that they think you should only let computers behind your firewall only talk to one timeserver |
| 02:10.27 | ljp | that works |
| 02:11.02 | ljp | hmm does buildroot do a300 images, also? |
| 02:11.16 | kergoth | probably.. whether it does or not no one has ever tested it |
| 02:11.52 | ljp | that work.. ahh, ok. Hogne just asked, so I guess he will be the guinea pig |
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| 02:56.35 | TheMasterMind1 | Applying 3 revisions to new file tmp/base/screen-4.0.1-r0/screen-4.0.1/.patches/configure.patch |
| 02:56.40 | TheMasterMind1 | is that supposed to be like that? |
| 02:57.07 | TheMasterMind1 | so we can run patcher after autoconfig or something? |
| 03:18.33 | kergoth_ | that wasnt intentional. |
| 03:18.41 | kergoth_ | the next cset removes it |
| 03:18.47 | kergoth_ | and the one after that adds it to the gone file |
| 03:18.48 | kergoth_ | heh |
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| 03:20.27 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 03:20.58 | TheMasterMind1 | you did a find . -name configure.patch or something? |
| 03:21.08 | kergoth | yup |
| 03:21.11 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 03:34.45 | Com[Plex] | anyone here familiar with jeode command lines? |
| 03:35.55 | treke|home | #zaurus and #openzaurus |
| 03:39.10 | Com[Plex] | ty |
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| 05:46.44 | treke|home | man |
| 05:47.00 | treke|home | one of these days the svn developers will realize the important of compatibility |
| 05:47.12 | kergoth | the fucking ide drive i was using just went kaput. time to reinstall windows yet again |
| 05:47.16 | kergoth | treke|home: heh, we hope |
| 05:48.28 | kergoth | doh |
| 05:49.16 | W8TVI|z | hey kergoth... did you read my message? |
| 05:49.17 | treke|home | and people wonder why it isn't taken seriously |
| 05:49.57 | W8TVI|z | in #magnia |
| 05:52.02 | W8TVI|z | some how eth0 (brg0) and eth1 are being made to work together with out eth1 being part of the bridge |
| 06:03.31 | schurig | treke|home: i guess this is because svn is not yet released, all development versions? |
| 06:03.40 | schurig | kergoth: moin! |
| 06:04.07 | treke|home | schurig: right |
| 06:07.21 | treke|home | how does the mail thing work? |
| 06:07.41 | treke|home | ibot, message for mallum, http://ishamael.tunkeymicket.com/ishzilla.php |
| 06:07.52 | treke|home | hmmm. looks like it worked |
| 06:14.42 | W8TVI|z | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:40.26 | Taro | can you pass a command line to embeddedkonsole? |
| 06:40.38 | treke|home | #zaurus or #openzaurus |
| 06:41.03 | Taro | no one answers |
| 06:41.16 | Taro | do you know the answer to the question? |
| 06:41.46 | treke|home | Just because no one answers doesnt mean you should go ask in every channel you can think of |
| 06:42.43 | Taro | well, this is openembedded, and there is a good chance someone here knows the answer |
| 06:42.49 | Taro | why shouldn't I ask here? |
| 06:42.59 | treke|home | Because this is not a support channel. |
| 06:43.08 | Taro | is this channel so active and so busy that I can't ask a question? |
| 06:43.26 | treke|home | yes |
| 06:43.34 | Taro | liar |
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| 06:52.42 | schurig | Taro: no idea, look at the source code, use the webcvs tool on Opie's webpage |
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| 06:53.43 | Taro | ok - thanks |
| 06:53.45 | treke|home | schurig: what type of device is the ramses? |
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| 06:56.33 | ljp | anyone alive here? |
| 06:57.00 | ljp | we were just discussing package systems.... |
| 06:57.42 | ljp | consensus is ipkg sucks |
| 06:58.28 | treke|home | We agree |
| 06:59.26 | ljp | so, 1) improve ipkg into lib... 2) use rpm or other, 3) write a new one |
| 06:59.44 | treke|home | 1) Is being worked on by someone |
| 06:59.53 | ljp | actively? |
| 06:59.58 | ljp | where? |
| 07:00.16 | treke|home | Last I heard anything was a week or two ago, but I dont check on it much |
| 07:00.24 | treke|home | probably in ipkg cvs |
| 07:00.39 | ljp | hmm |
| 07:01.13 | treke|home | Now that isn't likely to change the brokenness of ipkg, just seperate into a library |
| 07:01.45 | ljp | but as a lib, as least theres a chance of better error message and usage |
| 07:01.59 | ljp | there's a lot in ipkg thats not really needed |
| 07:02.00 | treke|home | 2 seems unlikely to work due to the size of most package managers |
| 07:02.11 | treke|home | and no one really seems to want to do 3 |
| 07:02.14 | treke|home | ljp: like? |
| 07:02.51 | ljp | no specifics, thats what guys here were saying. not sure if they meant the C code or what |
| 07:03.28 | treke|home | Do they have any specific features they think are unneeded? Or just bad code |
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| 07:06.13 | ljp | dunno, they just said 'stuff we dont really need' |
| 07:06.51 | treke|home | Things trolltech doesnt need and things familiar and openzaurus don't need may not be the same :p |
| 07:07.11 | ljp | of course |
| 07:08.58 | ljp | true. |
| 07:09.12 | ljp | but if you have better suggestions... |
| 07:09.37 | treke|home | doing things like tossing .Desktop files into $QPEDIR/apps and then having the launcher look for them there makes it tough to manage sanely if the user decides to move an app |
| 07:10.10 | ljp | thats not packaging |
| 07:10.29 | treke|home | that's partially packaging. partially the app itslef |
| 07:11.03 | ljp | hmm, ok. I meant package management system ;) |
| 07:11.06 | treke|home | right now the directory structure under apps is significant to how the launcher is presenting things. |
| 07:12.01 | treke|home | which semi relates to the package management system since it forces hacks like symlinks for destinations |
| 07:13.04 | ljp | dont need symlinks if you change PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 07:13.14 | ljp | I think |
| 07:13.16 | ljp | :D |
| 07:13.28 | treke|home | and change the launcher to look in multiple places? :p |
| 07:23.25 | schurig | treke|home: see a picture of ramses at http://www.mn-logistik.de |
| 07:23.39 | treke|home | I saw a picture of it, just couldnt tell what it was |
| 07:24.06 | treke|home | looked sort of like a phone |
| 07:24.34 | schurig | it's a data terminal for logistics and industrie. It can talk Ethnernet, Bluetooth, WLAN and cell-phone/GSM, so you can put local applications there (e.g. telnet, tn5250 to an IBM AS/400) and remote apps while on the road |
| 07:24.38 | treke|home | ah |
| 07:24.48 | schurig | phone is part of it, but people won't by it to phone |
| 07:25.20 | schurig | oh, and we have a laser barcode scanner for UPC, EAN etc |
| 07:25.50 | schurig | treke|home: maybe in half a year we have a multilingual website, e.g. german, french, russian, english |
| 07:25.53 | treke|home | shush, you are giving me a stiffy |
| 07:26.03 | schurig | stiffy? |
| 07:26.10 | schurig | what does that mean? |
| 07:26.21 | treke|home | you are getting me excited |
| 07:26.36 | schurig | not until you see the price tag :-) It's not a customer device. |
| 07:27.00 | treke|home | I'm sure. Just had some slick ideas for work :) |
| 07:27.06 | schurig | hmm, the technical data in the PDF file should be readable by non-german speakers, too. After all, Ethernet stays ethernet etc |
| 07:28.33 | schurig | treke|home: which ideas? |
| 07:31.27 | treke|home | schurig: The barcode scanner + network + a web browser would be fairly useful for our equipment rental department. Out of our price range, but handy |
| 07:33.07 | schurig | treke|home: we will make some other device, later, without GSM & Bluetooth (the latter hasn't been certified anyway), which makes it cheaper. |
| 07:33.45 | schurig | for browser: I have some demo of Opie 0.99.3 or so and Konq-Embedded runs there. But I haven't done more to this, no one of our current customers run Opie there or want to run Opie |
| 07:35.04 | schurig | If you want barcode+Opie+PDA, then go for some Ipaq+module. However, if you drop that accidentally to the floor, it shatters :-( (Ramses is made robust, storage workers are not known for their sensitivy [right word?] to objects) |
| 07:35.20 | treke|home | Same with our workers :p |
| 07:35.42 | treke|home | ipaqs would last a week :p |
| 07:37.01 | schurig | treke|home: our boss has a test. She throws every portable device we sell (we're OEM for quite some) with force to the floor. If it survives, we migth end up selling it. |
| 07:37.12 | schurig | ramses however is self-designed |
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| 08:14.18 | Twiun | mornin' |
| 08:14.26 | treke|home | morning |
| 08:16.28 | andersee | g'day |
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| 14:37.18 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:39.08 | Twiun | hiya |
| 14:40.42 | mickeyl | what do you think about that sl-6000 now that it's confirmed? |
| 14:41.51 | Twiun | ugly |
| 14:42.05 | killefiz | mickeyl: url? |
| 14:42.08 | mickeyl | http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=77&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 |
| 14:42.14 | mickeyl | but USB host! |
| 14:42.28 | Twiun | still |
| 14:42.28 | mickeyl | and a 2nd cf slot |
| 14:42.37 | mickeyl | I would rather have it in clamshell format though |
| 14:42.43 | Twiun | I'd prefer that in a c7x0 form factor |
| 14:42.45 | mickeyl | but such a model may come |
| 14:42.47 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 14:42.52 | Twiun | great minds ;) |
| 14:42.56 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:43.07 | chouimat | me is looking at the new ibook 64 and he's drooling |
| 14:44.37 | killefiz | hmm |
| 14:45.31 | Twiun | is it me or do the leds at the top imply wireless? |
| 14:46.22 | mickeyl | would think so... |
| 14:46.29 | mickeyl | nothing confirmed yet though |
| 14:46.31 | mickeyl | cmartin: ping |
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| 15:05.57 | kergoth | "Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this and I see big red warning signs. |
| 15:05.57 | kergoth | I know, I'll remove the warning signs. But it still hurts. |
| 15:05.59 | kergoth | " |
| 15:06.03 | kergoth | rmk rocks |
| 15:06.04 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:06.27 | mickeyl | yeah :) |
| 15:08.08 | Twiun | in the code? |
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| 15:10.20 | kergoth | Twiun: nah, email to some idiot dev, who upon seeing a warning prink, removed it, instead of fixing the root problem |
| 15:10.27 | kergoth | s/prink/printk/ |
| 15:10.52 | Twiun | hahahaha |
| 15:11.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:11.52 | Twiun | I don't like people *leaving* warning messages in there if they could have fixed the issue though |
| 15:12.25 | mickeyl | #warning this doesn't work but i'm too lazy to fix |
| 15:12.36 | mickeyl | that's open source ;) |
| 15:12.46 | Twiun | lots of those in the code I'm working on atm ;) |
| 15:12.51 | Twiun | and that sure isn't open source |
| 15:12.54 | treke | netter than // this doesnt work but i'm too lazy to fix :p |
| 15:14.34 | kergoth | Twiun: well, this case the warning was put there explicitly to catch people doing exactly what this guy was doing :) |
| 15:16.26 | Twiun | those are fine ;) |
| 15:17.13 | Twiun | bad ones are "error here" type messages - how the fuck am I supposed to know where in the code this occured? (when there are lots of that type of messages everywhere) |
| 15:17.47 | kergoth | ah yeah. i dont mind a #warning FIXME: this sucks, bad implementation occasionally |
| 15:17.50 | kergoth | just cause you see the line # |
| 15:17.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:18.10 | Twiun | yeah |
| 15:18.16 | Twiun | it's all to do with context |
| 15:18.20 | cmartin | mickeyl: pong, sorry was very busy today - forgot to monitor my IRC con |
| 15:18.22 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:18.23 | Twiun | context-less messages are useless |
| 15:20.15 | mickeyl | cmartin: hi. just wanted to ask if you had a chance to test my new work on the floating inputmethods. all problems should be fixed now. |
| 15:20.52 | chouimat | treke nice error message: but I prefer: "Oops! I think something is going bad, very bad here \n" |
| 15:21.00 | Twiun | treke: yeah, I know someone who had to clean up a whole codebase of such things after he let one slip through the code review |
| 15:21.17 | Twiun | treke: ~17000 profanities in the code ;) |
| 15:21.22 | treke | heehe |
| 15:21.28 | Twiun | treke: not including variable names |
| 15:21.37 | treke | I usually remove them after fixing the offending section. :p |
| 15:21.57 | cmartin | mickeyl: not yet - will try rebuilding tonight - i'll let you know how things go |
| 15:21.58 | treke | it's generally to prove to myself that something that I think is not possible is occuring :p |
| 15:21.58 | Twiun | yeah - part of that code had been done before reviews were brought in |
| 15:22.43 | mickeyl | cmartin: k. it's just the launcher to rebuild. |
| 15:22.52 | treke | then I wouldnt have to resort to printf :p |
| 15:23.11 | cmartin | mickeyl: not launcher-settings? |
| 15:23.27 | cmartin | mickeyl: just the opie-taskbar? |
| 15:23.28 | Twiun | even with a decent debugger I still resort to debug output |
| 15:23.53 | mickeyl | cmartin: yeah. just opie-taskbar. |
| 15:24.14 | cmartin | mickeyl: are ipks make correctly? |
| 15:24.22 | cmartin | s/ make / made |
| 15:24.58 | mickeyl | cmartin: probably not. best may be just to copy the qpe binary... |
| 15:25.21 | cmartin | mickeyl: BTW: how do you like the tabbed-browsing konqe? |
| 15:25.24 | mickeyl | cmartin: 1.0.2 may be released that week and after that HEAD will get all attention again. |
| 15:25.40 | mickeyl | cmartin: pretty cool addition. I'd rather have this to go upstream though |
| 15:26.29 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 15:26.36 | cmartin | me too |
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| 16:11.16 | bipolar | kergoth: is this msg to opie-cvs with the subject "Hi,so cool a flash,enjoy it" really from you or is a virus spoofing your email address? :) |
| 16:12.55 | kergoth | heh, what do you think? |
| 16:13.18 | treke | I think it was really kergoth |
| 16:13.30 | kergoth | saw that coming |
| 16:13.33 | chouimat | kergoth a little question for you |
| 16:13.38 | kergoth | brb, caffeine |
| 16:19.14 | kergoth | k |
| 16:19.24 | bipolar | kergoth: :-D just checking. I'll reject it then. |
| 16:19.52 | kergoth | /home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe/oe-dev/tmp/base/oe-1.0_20031022-r0/temp/run.package_tar_install.7589: package_tar_install: command not found |
| 16:19.55 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 16:20.06 | kergoth | oeinstall supports install types finally |
| 16:20.17 | kergoth | just need to add the install implementations to the classes |
| 16:21.29 | kergoth | we really need the file manifest implementation soon. at a minimum the global image manifest for /dev population. |
| 16:22.06 | kergoth | chouimat: what question? |
| 16:23.58 | chouimat | kergoth know a place where I can get external drive cabinet? |
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| 16:26.16 | kergoth | chouimat: for personal use? |
| 16:26.44 | chouimat | kergoth: yup |
| 16:27.00 | kergoth | i use raid personally, and external scsi enclosures are fucking expensive. imho wayyy out of whack. there are a couple options. i have a few links to ones that are *sort* of reasonable |
| 16:27.17 | kergoth | or, you can pick up an enclosure on ebay that includes drives for dirt cheap generally, because most people know jack about scsi drives. |
| 16:27.25 | kergoth | last week i saw a recycling company selling an enclosure |
| 16:27.29 | kergoth | with 9 4gb drives |
| 16:27.35 | kergoth | they couldnt get it working on their adaptec |
| 16:27.40 | kergoth | so they figured it was worthless |
| 16:27.43 | kergoth | they were raid only drives. |
| 16:27.43 | kergoth | !! |
| 16:27.52 | chouimat | kergoth: which SCSI? I have a scsi 160 adapter here |
| 16:27.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:28.02 | kergoth | varies. there are good deals on enclosures to be found |
| 16:28.15 | kergoth | i mean, $150 for a 8 drive enclosure *and* 7200 and 10k drives in it |
| 16:28.32 | kergoth | is an insane deal. you'll pay way more than that just for a new enclosure alone.; |
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| 16:28.43 | kergoth | or, you can do what i was going to do |
| 16:28.50 | chouimat | ~change 150 usd to cad |
| 16:29.02 | chouimat | kergoth yup cheap |
| 16:29.07 | kergoth | pick up a decent tower case. pick up a few adapters that convert an internal scsi cable to external in a card slot |
| 16:29.11 | kergoth | ta da, enclosure. |
| 16:29.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:31.13 | chouimat | kergoth: yup that too ... I change a 30GB hdd by a 10GB because I didn't have any other drive here and since I use LVM now I won't have any space problem in the future ... 12 id left on my scsi adapter |
| 16:32.14 | kergoth | compgeeks.com used to have a nice tower case thatd work well as a drive enclosure |
| 16:32.20 | kergoth | dunno if they still have it |
| 16:33.04 | chouimat | kergoth: i can't now because I don't have money to buy one yet maybe by going via ebay ... |
| 16:34.42 | kergoth | yeah, plenty of deals to be foudn there |
| 16:34.52 | kergoth | my last enclosure i got off there |
| 16:35.43 | chouimat | kergoth 6 sun external scsi drives for 50$ |
| 16:36.01 | chouimat | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3053838244&category=51250 |
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| 16:38.11 | Twiun | chouimat: what are you using for search terms? |
| 16:38.32 | Twiun | I'm also looking for an external raid array |
| 16:39.06 | chouimat | Twiun: external scsi drive |
| 16:39.24 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah, you can really take advantage of the fact that a lot of the people on ebay are selling things that they dont know or understand |
| 16:39.30 | kergoth | not a lot of people know much about raid |
| 16:40.05 | kergoth | room, meet CosmicPenguin, the pixil guy, who also wrote the bootmenu we have in the oe metadata repos that will be used in future oz incarnations |
| 16:40.09 | kergoth | heh :) |
| 16:40.22 | chouimat | kergothI won't minde getting a non-raid more than 2 bay case |
| 16:40.36 | chouimat | hey CosmicPenguin |
| 16:40.46 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: hello |
| 16:40.48 | kergoth | yeah, i'm sur eyou wont have a problem finding em |
| 16:40.58 | kergoth | god i wish i could paste into links in graphical mode |
| 16:41.03 | kergoth | typing that url blew |
| 16:41.38 | Twiun | use lynx ;) |
| 16:41.39 | chouimat | kergoth hehe |
| 16:42.26 | kergoth | doh |
| 16:42.30 | kergoth | ebay just made links segfault |
| 16:43.22 | kergoth | treke: is the admin pw on the rt instance on your box still default? |
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| 16:44.26 | kergoth | hey pb_ |
| 16:45.21 | pb_ | yo kergoth |
| 16:45.58 | kergoth | treke: er, no it isnt. can you message me the pw? would like to start making use of it |
| 16:46.39 | kergoth | pb_: how goes? |
| 16:47.19 | chouimat | kergoth http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3436733062&category=3669 |
| 16:47.39 | pb_ | kergoth: going good, though I have to prepare my house for another onslaught from the builders. |
| 16:48.07 | kergoth | chouimat: nice |
| 16:48.14 | kergoth | chouimat: though my links segfaulted there again |
| 16:48.17 | kergoth | man, it really doesnt like ebay |
| 16:48.22 | kergoth | pb_: ahh fun |
| 16:48.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:49.26 | chouimat | kergoth but it's a 50 pin plug |
| 16:50.07 | kergoth | ah, not wide |
| 16:50.22 | kergoth | especially if you arent using them in a raid, that could hurt performance wise |
| 16:50.26 | kergoth | but if its just for storage, who cares. |
| 16:51.45 | chouimat | kergoth I need 68 pin LVD |
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| 16:52.26 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 16:52.49 | kergoth | i keep around an old adaptec 2940uw (just ultrawide) that runs all my 50 pin devices.. burner, dvd player, etc |
| 16:52.49 | chouimat | kergoth my external plug is a 68 pins ultra160 lvd |
| 16:53.03 | kergoth | could get an adapter, but itd hardly be worth it |
| 16:53.12 | chouimat | I have a 29160 |
| 16:54.07 | kergoth | cool. adaptec makes good cards |
| 16:54.37 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: you'll note this is the developer lounge, so when we arent on topic, we're just bullshitting about random things |
| 16:54.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:56.21 | treke | kergoth: k |
| 16:56.26 | chouimat | kergoth: but in a sense talking about scsi card is development related ... how can you work if you run of space |
| 16:56.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:56.51 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: no different than #elinux then |
| 16:57.00 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: yep |
| 16:57.31 | kergoth | if i wasnt concerned with spamming elinux with OE specific stuff, i wouldve just had everyone go there |
| 16:57.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:58.25 | chouimat | kergoth: can you name me a channel that stay on topic? beside sex with goat in the middle of the badlands |
| 16:58.39 | mickeyl | #opie of course |
| 16:58.44 | mickeyl | :D |
| 16:59.12 | mickeyl | (not counting the folks running there and expecting to find #handhelds.org and #familiar there.... ;) |
| 17:00.00 | kergoth | most channels that are specific to user support for a project stay fairly on topic |
| 17:00.03 | kergoth | #opie, #openzaurus, .. |
| 17:00.13 | kergoth | although, does #kde stay on topic? |
| 17:00.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:01.02 | chouimat | kergoth I just go in #kde-devel, #kdevelop and #kdelounge |
| 17:02.38 | kergoth | treke: oeinstall can now install the generated tarballs, specific subpackages |
| 17:02.43 | kergoth | doesnt obey RDEPENDS, but hey |
| 17:02.58 | kergoth | added a couple new vars |
| 17:03.11 | kergoth | OEPKGS is the packages you want oemake to build (normally specified on the oemake cmdline, now optional) |
| 17:03.26 | kergoth | INST_OEPKGS is the packages you want installed, also can be specified on the cmdline |
| 17:03.51 | kergoth | so oeinstall -t tar -r /path/to/rootfs openssl-dev; |
| 17:03.55 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 17:08.46 | gb2 | hrm, might snow tonight. |
| 17:09.42 | treke | what is snow? |
| 17:10.22 | W8TVI | bleh! snow |
| 17:10.27 | kergoth | stuff you have to shovel |
| 17:10.30 | kergoth | i hate shoveling snow |
| 17:10.40 | W8TVI | me too |
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| 17:17.19 | kergoth | you know, python is much more readable than perl |
| 17:17.26 | kergoth | but i can still write some really fucking ugly python |
| 17:17.39 | treke | yes you can |
| 17:20.33 | kergoth | heh, i know what it is. the fact that you dont _have_ to have code within a function, but that it can instead be in the app or module proper, is causing laziness |
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| 17:25.13 | chouimat | kergoth look I can write really ugly english so I can imagine when we try to talk snake |
| 17:25.48 | treke | we don't want to hear about you talking to your snake |
| 17:26.40 | chouimat | treke i don't have any python here |
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| 17:37.46 | kergoth | ~/coding/projects/user/oe/oe-dev$ bin/oeinstall |
| 17:37.48 | kergoth | Installing package oe (oe) |
| 17:37.48 | kergoth | ERROR: function pkg_preinst failed |
| 17:37.48 | kergoth | ERROR: see log in /home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe/oe-dev/tmp/base/oe-1.0_20031022-r0/temp/log.pkg_preinst.8982 |
| 17:37.49 | kergoth | spiffy. |
| 17:38.15 | kergoth | treke: you know how often vnc refreshes its display? |
| 17:38.25 | treke | Configurable |
| 17:38.39 | kergoth | client configures it? |
| 17:38.49 | kergoth | trying to estimate bandwidth consumption. quite a few variables to consider |
| 17:39.16 | treke | client can request refreshes, and the server can also initiate them |
| 17:39.31 | treke | it also depends quite a bit on what exactly the server decides to send you |
| 17:40.00 | treke | Since it is allowed to send data in any of the encodes agreed upon in the handshake |
| 17:40.18 | treke | encodings |
| 17:43.14 | treke | worst case it sends every pixel over the network. |
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| 18:06.18 | chouimat | hmmm I just learned that my brother is currently in chirurgy |
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| 18:11.59 | treke | kergoth: apparently last night, trolltech came to the conclusion that ipkg sucks |
| 18:12.31 | pb_ | good old trolltech, always last with the news. |
| 18:12.34 | tronical | hehe |
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| 18:27.52 | Twiun | rehi |
| 18:27.58 | pb_ | re twiun |
| 18:29.26 | Twiun | kergoth: before the advent of tightvnc, it had a bandwidth of something like 14kbit/s iirc |
| 18:29.42 | Twiun | talking of vnc... |
| 18:30.10 | Twiun | I'm thinking of doing the vfb<->fbawt communication using the vnc proto - any opinions? |
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| 19:53.33 | W8TVI | remember when a 100mhz 486 was fast? |
| 19:54.13 | fishhead | yeah |
| 19:54.15 | Twiun | remember when you went out and bought that 387 copro to boost your 386sx? |
| 19:54.18 | fishhead | this is a laptop |
| 19:54.21 | fishhead | else I wouldn't bother |
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| 20:06.46 | kergoth | ~/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/packages$ ls -p|grep /|grep -v \\.|grep -v 'tmp/'|grep -v 'conf/'|wc -l |
| 20:06.50 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:06.53 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:07.59 | Twiun | nice going :) |
| 20:08.36 | W8TVI | any idea what dropboxd is? |
| 20:09.13 | kergoth | added sudo |
| 20:09.27 | kergoth | slowly working through all the userspace tools. then i'll add the kernels. then gui stuff |
| 20:10.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:10.54 | kergoth | i should add cups |
| 20:10.58 | kergoth | then opie needs printing support |
| 20:11.16 | Twiun | gives them something to do after 1.0.2 I suppose |
| 20:11.17 | W8TVI | heh |
| 20:11.58 | Twiun | no-one's been editting my guidesigner wiki node though ;) |
| 20:12.57 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: who was it that set up you wiki? |
| 20:13.03 | Neo|Work | cups... on a handheld? |
| 20:13.12 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: adam hooper, the openzaurus.org webmaster |
| 20:13.17 | CosmicPenguin | Is he here? |
| 20:13.18 | Neo|Work | what kind of handheld are you planning to run this on? Laptop? :-) |
| 20:13.43 | Twiun | Neo|Work: it's supposed to be scaleable - what about those simpads? |
| 20:13.51 | Twiun | but yeah, cups' driver lib is huge |
| 20:14.07 | Neo|Work | we need a scale - everyone call themselves webMASTER. What about webnovice for example ? (I'm sure most would fit in that category) |
| 20:14.14 | kergoth | maybe we could make the packaging pretty granular |
| 20:14.27 | kergoth | heh, i'd consider adam a master, or quite close to it. does good work. |
| 20:14.49 | Twiun | I call myself a HOSTmaster... but only because I run my host ;) |
| 20:15.04 | fishhead | hey kergoth |
| 20:15.22 | kergoth | Neo|Work: obviously we could see about splitting the cups lpd out, make highly granular packaging.. |
| 20:15.22 | fishhead | what do you suggest for a 486-100 8 meg of ram 640x480x16bpp lcd |
| 20:15.27 | fishhead | linux + DirectFB ? |
| 20:15.30 | kergoth | also, i could see OE building a distro for use on a printserver device. |
| 20:16.03 | CosmicPenguin | Microwindows |
| 20:16.07 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 20:16.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:16.11 | Twiun | kergoth: you're not thinking of those sugarcube-sized cat5-inline-printservers are you? |
| 20:16.34 | fishhead | cosmic really ? |
| 20:16.37 | fishhead | how functional is it |
| 20:17.01 | kergoth | Twiun: nah, thinking a bit scaled up from that. devices with a few parallel and serial ports |
| 20:17.21 | CosmicPenguin | fishhead: very functional, even more so with Pixil |
| 20:17.28 | fishhead | Pixil ? |
| 20:18.05 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.pixil.org |
| 20:18.23 | CosmicPenguin | And once you're done there, go to http://pixdev.sourceforge.net - thats the main OS development branch |
| 20:18.37 | CosmicPenguin | The pixdev branch will be the one going into OE |
| 20:18.55 | CosmicPenguin | Once I beat this stupid compiler up |
| 20:19.52 | kergoth | cups is building away |
| 20:19.53 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 20:19.56 | kergoth | doh, spoke too soon |
| 20:20.09 | kergoth | ah, theres the issue |
| 20:20.15 | kergoth | damn thing doesnt put LDFLAGS on a lot of its link lines. |
| 20:20.36 | fishhead | nice |
| 20:20.40 | fishhead | a little costly though |
| 20:20.46 | fishhead | or is that just for commercial products |
| 20:20.57 | CosmicPenguin | Thats just commercial |
| 20:20.59 | CosmicPenguin | Its free as in beer |
| 20:21.01 | fishhead | ah cool |
| 20:21.12 | fishhead | I will give it a shot as soon as I figure out how to get linux installed |
| 20:21.13 | CosmicPenguin | And the Pixdev will be 100% GP |
| 20:21.18 | CosmicPenguin | L |
| 20:21.26 | fishhead | probably going to have to do a tar of a working system |
| 20:21.38 | fishhead | since this box only has 8 meg of ram and floppy and nic and hd no cdrom |
| 20:22.16 | CosmicPenguin | I've built Microwindows based systems in 3 MB before - you shouldn't have a problem |
| 20:22.33 | fishhead | oh I know |
| 20:22.43 | fishhead | it's just getting the initial linux installed that's a problem |
| 20:22.44 | fishhead | :P |
| 20:23.10 | kergoth | problem? network install boot disks. |
| 20:23.22 | fishhead | kergoth most installers die now on 8 meg of ram |
| 20:23.46 | kergoth | build a debian rootfs with chroot/UML/debootstrap |
| 20:23.56 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:24.06 | fishhead | it's okay my idea will work just as well |
| 20:24.10 | kergoth | hey, cups built. |
| 20:24.13 | kergoth | that was easy. |
| 20:24.14 | fishhead | 773 meg, nice |
| 20:24.31 | Twiun | kergoth: too easy? any binary-only drivers? |
| 20:24.39 | fishhead | idiots at dell rigged the bios to only see dell branded hd's |
| 20:24.47 | fishhead | but I bet I can get around that with a linux bootdisk |
| 20:24.55 | kergoth | Twiun: nah, just autoconf 2.5x based. |
| 20:25.00 | kergoth | Twiun: very little work involved |
| 20:25.05 | kergoth | few var overrides, no biggie |
| 20:25.09 | fishhead | okay this is canucked |
| 20:25.32 | fishhead | thanks for the ideas guys |
| 20:25.39 | fishhead | btw is there a vnc port to microwindows |
| 20:25.46 | fishhead | or a way to display remote X apps |
| 20:26.22 | CosmicPenguin | Remote X apps no |
| 20:26.27 | CosmicPenguin | VNC yes |
| 20:26.33 | fishhead | :) |
| 20:26.35 | CosmicPenguin | Local X apps there is a X compatiblity library |
| 20:26.56 | fishhead | guess I will have to build a min X then for remote-X |
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| 20:36.02 | kergoth | eek, procmail wont be fun |
| 20:36.16 | kergoth | has its own incarnation of runtime test execution in its own autoconf shell script |
| 20:36.20 | kergoth | most unpleasant |
| 20:38.47 | kergoth | so who wants a Z mailserver? |
| 20:39.04 | fishhead | great |
| 20:39.12 | fishhead | the floppy drive on my athlon just went canucked |
| 20:39.13 | fishhead | GRR |
| 20:40.41 | kergoth | aha, our libdb3 makefile in buildroot is funny |
| 20:40.43 | kergoth | its ancient |
| 20:40.47 | kergoth | like 3 buildroot incarnations old |
| 20:42.21 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:42.28 | TheMasterMind1 | guess no one used it |
| 20:42.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: read that, brings back memories |
| 20:42.32 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:42.45 | kergoth | strip=$(STRIPPER) |
| 20:42.49 | kergoth | we had interesting variable naming |
| 20:42.51 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 20:50.04 | fishhead | hey disconnect |
| 20:50.05 | fishhead | ltns |
| 20:50.37 | treke | well. with luck I'll have my car back again tonight |
| 20:50.45 | lpotter | lucky you |
| 20:51.01 | lpotter | I'll have a car when I grow up |
| 20:51.09 | treke | a broken car and broken crt. The perfect combo :) |
| 20:51.25 | lpotter | better than a broken cpu |
| 20:51.48 | treke | I have a backup cpu :p |
| 21:02.07 | lpotter | I need a frickin car |
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| 21:14.57 | kergoth | prefix= /usr |
| 21:14.58 | kergoth | exec_prefix=/usr |
| 21:14.58 | kergoth | bindir= /usr/bin includedir=/usr/include libdir= /usr/lib |
| 21:15.01 | kergoth | err, wrong window |
| 21:15.03 | kergoth | docdir= $(prefix)/docs |
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| 21:15.38 | Harlekin | lo |
| 21:15.42 | treke | kergoth: So, how much you want to be there will be no specs for the "warlord"'s wireless chipset? |
| 21:16.07 | mickeyl|mdk9 | you mean they could come up with an own thing? |
| 21:16.13 | mickeyl|mdk9 | wouldn't be surprising |
| 21:16.26 | mickeyl|mdk9 | would suck though. |
| 21:16.33 | treke | Maybe we'll be lucky and it'll be the same one as in the zaurus |
| 21:16.44 | mickeyl|mdk9 | ? |
| 21:16.48 | treke | er ipaq |
| 21:16.51 | mickeyl|mdk9 | ah |
| 21:16.57 | treke | maybe that's why they put the usb host on it |
| 21:16.57 | kergoth | there we are, db3 is in |
| 21:17.01 | W8TVI | my firewall isn't restoring the rules from its config file... |
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| 21:19.04 | kergoth | doh, libdb doesnt use normal shared lib linking |
| 21:19.09 | kergoth | need to alter all the _FILES vars |
| 21:21.53 | gb2 | what's different? |
| 21:23.06 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, im' putting the 2.6.0 kernel on a remote machine |
| 21:23.12 | TheMasterMind1 | what all do i need to make sure i do before i reboot |
| 21:23.17 | TheMasterMind1 | install like module-tools or something? |
| 21:27.43 | kergoth | module-init-tools |
| 21:27.59 | kergoth | might want to run the script it includes to generate a sane default modprobe.conf as well |
| 21:28.09 | kergoth | though i dunno if you can do that until you're _running_ it |
| 21:28.10 | kergoth | dont recall |
| 21:31.18 | TheMasterMind1 | how hard is UML |
| 21:31.24 | TheMasterMind1 | worth trying that to make sure kernel doesn't go boom |
| 21:32.01 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: i hop[e you like drwaing |
| 21:33.11 | fishhead | canuckmat |
| 21:33.12 | fishhead | heh |
| 21:33.55 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.55 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.55 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.58 | TheMasterMind1 | so much cleaner |
| 21:34.30 | mickeyl | mmmh |
| 21:34.51 | mickeyl | what you find cleaner I find less clear |
| 21:34.55 | mickeyl | i need information :D |
| 21:35.08 | ljp | foo foo |
| 21:35.09 | chouimat | mickeyl don't use unsermake then |
| 21:35.18 | mickeyl | chouimat: haha, no i won't :) |
| 21:35.43 | treke | yeah your comments to yourself |
| 21:35.52 | fishhead | no |
| 21:35.58 | ljp | err grog |
| 21:36.22 | chouimat | me justs remember that he's ops in the channel |
| 21:36.47 | ljp | man, all the upper management seem to have c7x0's and are using my qtopia-oz images.. |
| 21:36.55 | fishhead | so how are you doing chouimat ? |
| 21:37.06 | chouimat | mickeyl: but it way faster than autocrap :) |
| 21:37.22 | chouimat | fishhead as usual |
| 21:37.27 | fishhead | heh |
| 21:37.32 | fishhead | I am a wreck |
| 21:37.38 | fishhead | about my colon exam in 1 week |
| 21:37.45 | fishhead | find out how long I Have to live :/ |
| 21:38.11 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: is that bad? |
| 21:38.22 | kergoth | heh, just finished crosscompiling postfix |
| 21:38.22 | chouimat | fishhead thanks I was about to go eat my dinner ... |
| 21:38.36 | ljp | no, just feels a bit like brown-nosing is all ;) |
| 21:38.57 | ljp | I just hope they backup their data |
| 21:39.00 | treke | Replace their qtopia-oz images with opie-oz |
| 21:39.05 | ljp | haaa |
| 21:39.06 | fishhead | choui you are welcome |
| 21:39.07 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: postfix?! |
| 21:39.08 | ljp | see if they notice |
| 21:39.10 | chouimat | ljp: so just keep a bigger distance between you and them :) |
| 21:39.11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 21:39.12 | TheMasterMind1 | aren't there more important packages than that |
| 21:39.17 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: what, you dont want your Z as a mailserver? |
| 21:39.24 | kergoth | it only took like 20 minutes to get going |
| 21:39.25 | kergoth | no biggie |
| 21:39.28 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ofcourse i do, thats been my lifelong dream |
| 21:39.35 | treke | kergoth: you know, you could package useful stuff |
| 21:39.39 | treke | like maybe.... opie |
| 21:39.40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:39.43 | kergoth | i alaso finished nearly everything needed for hte oeinstall/oeimage stuff |
| 21:39.45 | TheMasterMind1 | i agree with treke =) |
| 21:39.47 | ljp | hehe I can imagine - "I really like the new styles.." |
| 21:39.55 | kergoth | testing hooking image creation into a nightly run this afternoon here |
| 21:40.01 | kergoth | i just add new shit to take a break from it |
| 21:40.04 | treke | or you could go on and package something totally useless like say.... openoffice for X |
| 21:40.04 | ljp | "but where is the email client" |
| 21:40.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:40.22 | chouimat | kergoth package hercules I want to have my own zSeries in my pocket |
| 21:40.22 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't openoffice use qt? |
| 21:40.25 | treke | ljp: tell those butt munches to open source their email client |
| 21:40.28 | treke | TheMasterMind1: no it doesnt |
| 21:40.30 | TheMasterMind1 | looks like qt |
| 21:40.36 | TheMasterMind1 | or used to anyway.. |
| 21:40.39 | TheMasterMind1 | what does it use? |
| 21:40.46 | treke | It's uses the openoffice toolkit |
| 21:40.51 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 21:40.54 | TheMasterMind1 | figures |
| 21:41.03 | treke | StarView or something like that |
| 21:41.05 | chouimat | treke someone is porting it to kde ... |
| 21:41.17 | treke | the gnome guys chickend out on porting to gtk |
| 21:41.27 | treke | instead they just hacked it to change colors based on gtk themes |
| 21:41.33 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 21:41.38 | TheMasterMind1 | that would explain why the look changed |
| 21:41.55 | treke | I always liked the "unix" look |
| 21:42.05 | treke | where the title bars are all bright fucking pink |
| 21:42.20 | pb_ | yeah, but you're weird |
| 21:42.34 | kergoth | god i hate CDE |
| 21:42.38 | kergoth | horrid |
| 21:43.16 | pb_ | yah, I used to be obliged to use CDE at work |
| 21:43.37 | kergoth | its fun playing with kde or gnome on aix boxes and stuff |
| 21:43.41 | kergoth | just feels sick and wrong |
| 21:43.45 | kergoth | yet you like it |
| 21:43.48 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:43.54 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 21:44.19 | treke | for some reason X on aix just seems perverted |
| 21:44.33 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, time to reboot server |
| 21:44.37 | TheMasterMind1 | hopefully it'll come back |
| 21:45.41 | fishhead | heh |
| 21:45.57 | fishhead | I can't wait to get microwindows on this 486-100 8 meg linux box |
| 21:47.38 | ljp | bah - uwindows |
| 21:47.47 | TheMasterMind1 | it came up... |
| 21:47.54 | TheMasterMind1 | network interfaces are up.. |
| 21:48.00 | TheMasterMind1 | System bootup in progress - please wait |
| 21:48.00 | TheMasterMind1 | Connection to xeon.kingsofchaos.com closed. |
| 21:48.00 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:48.31 | fishhead | ljp what else will run on 8 meg of ram |
| 21:48.34 | fishhead | silly canuck |
| 21:49.17 | kergoth | picogui, though it isnt really maintained atm |
| 21:49.32 | mickeyl | directfb |
| 21:49.37 | mickeyl | though that lacks widgets :) |
| 21:49.39 | kergoth | 16:50 < gccbot> tm2: <alobodig-2> Spraying a can of Dust-Off directly into my navel was just about the worst idea I've ever had. |
| 21:49.42 | fishhead | yeah I thought about DirectFB |
| 21:49.52 | fishhead | all I need is some web, irc and vnc or remote-x |
| 21:49.56 | CosmicPenguin | What ever happened to Micah anyway? |
| 21:50.00 | fishhead | I doubt it's going to do much slse |
| 21:50.09 | fishhead | 640x480x16bpp |
| 21:50.10 | fishhead | max |
| 21:50.55 | CosmicPenguin | fishhead: don't stray from the path - MW is your friend |
| 21:51.31 | treke | you microwindows guys can have fishhead |
| 21:51.52 | chouimat | treke don't be so mean .... |
| 21:52.06 | kergoth | doh |
| 21:52.10 | gb2 | heh |
| 21:52.10 | fishhead | chouimay don't worry about him |
| 21:52.11 | kergoth | stupid fucking rh73 |
| 21:52.14 | fishhead | I have possible colon cancer |
| 21:52.16 | kergoth | ccache gcc -DHAS_PCRE -I/home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/packages/tmp/staging/build/include -g -O -I. -I../../include -DLINUX2 -o postconf.native postconf.o ../../lib/libglobal.a ../../lib/libutil.a -lpcre -ldb -lnsl -lresolv -L/home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/packages/tmp/staging/build/bin/../lib |
| 21:52.22 | fishhead | idiots like him are the least of my worries |
| 21:52.22 | kergoth | /usr/bin/ld: BFD 2.11.93.0.2 20020207 internal error, aborting at elf32-i386.c line 2040 in elf_i386_relocate_section |
| 21:52.24 | kergoth | /usr/bin/ld: Please report this bug. |
| 21:52.27 | kergoth | :( |
| 21:52.38 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:52.39 | kergoth | oh |
| 21:52.40 | kergoth | doh. |
| 21:52.45 | fishhead | kergoth so how does your avr adventure go ? |
| 21:52.49 | kergoth | libglobal and libutil are arm libs |
| 21:52.52 | chouimat | fishhead with any luck they will replace it with one in kevlar |
| 21:52.52 | kergoth | thats not gonna work |
| 21:52.57 | pb_ | kergoth: ah, that old problem |
| 21:53.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:53.08 | pb_ | one day we should make the linker give a sensible error message. |
| 21:53.14 | kergoth | thatd be spiffy |
| 21:53.15 | fishhead | chouimat I would just be happy with not collapsing in pain or nausea several times |
| 21:53.18 | fishhead | :/ |
| 21:53.22 | chouimat | pb_ like oops ;) |
| 21:53.34 | kergoth | so postfix builds, just cant install, since install expects an x86 postconf binary |
| 21:53.40 | pb_ | chouimat: well, I was thinking more of "can't link i386 and arm code together", but "oops" would be an improvement. |
| 21:53.44 | fishhead | chouimat the last attack was so bad |
| 21:53.48 | fishhead | I ended up in the emergency room |
| 21:54.07 | fishhead | I was so sick for 4 days now whenever I have gas, cramping or any kinda of intensional sound I have a panic attack |
| 21:54.52 | chouimat | fishhead: sad |
| 21:55.15 | fishhead | yeah well it's forced me to change a few things in life not letting people get to me as much on irc |
| 21:56.02 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: at least I found the source of the unexplain load of 45 when idle |
| 21:56.35 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 21:58.01 | fishhead | if I pull thru this I am going to be doing a lot more fun stuff in my life |
| 21:58.35 | chouimat | CosmicPenguinthe dead hdd was causing it |
| 21:58.55 | fishhead | hahahaa |
| 21:58.57 | fishhead | that will do it |
| 21:59.13 | kergoth | fishhead: fun stuff. always a good idea. |
| 21:59.14 | fishhead | chouimat linux was trying to do cpr on it |
| 21:59.26 | fishhead | kergoth yeah but I mean some crazy embedded stuff |
| 21:59.28 | chouimat | fishhead maybe ... |
| 21:59.32 | fishhead | like stepper motor wind generators |
| 21:59.36 | fishhead | those things kick for that |
| 21:59.46 | fishhead | they produce 2 or 3 phase a/c |
| 21:59.52 | chouimat | kergoth: I think he mean getting a gf and so one |
| 21:59.52 | fishhead | you can rectify into dc and go |
| 21:59.59 | fishhead | chouimat that espically |
| 22:00.10 | fishhead | find a girl at a mall and just kiss her |
| 22:00.10 | fishhead | heh |
| 22:00.29 | chouimat | speaking of girl I should really call stephanie back ... |
| 22:01.00 | chouimat | brb |
| 22:04.30 | chouimat | re |
| 22:06.52 | chouimat | ~change 1 cad to usd |
| 22:07.57 | ljp | ~change 1aud to usd |
| 22:08.11 | ljp | fuck u ibot |
| 22:08.31 | chouimat | ~change 1 aud to usd |
| 22:08.38 | ljp | damn thumbs |
| 22:08.45 | ljp | gettin better |
| 22:08.52 | chouimat | ~change 1 aud to cad |
| 22:09.09 | chouimat | ~change 1 chf to cad |
| 22:09.31 | chouimat | ~change 1 cad to euro |
| 22:10.04 | kergoth | holy crap does php pull in a ton of external sources |
| 22:10.08 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 22:10.22 | chouimat | kergoth hehe |
| 22:10.39 | TheMasterMind1 | almost as many as mplayer |
| 22:12.24 | kergoth | i hate it when they do that. i realize its more convenient, and its easir for static especially if you arent using libtool, but i cant help but hate it |
| 22:12.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:15.24 | ljp | hmmm. new build system |
| 22:23.58 | ljp | might help a bit if I could spell correctly sometimes |
| 22:41.34 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 22:41.40 | TheMasterMind1 | mysql is performing horribly on 2.6.0 |
| 22:48.11 | treke | oh fuckin A |
| 22:48.31 | treke | my screen is rotating on its own |
| 22:48.46 | ljp | cool |
| 22:49.02 | treke | now to apply my patch for rotating after suspend and I'm good to go |
| 22:52.49 | ljp | for c700? |
| 22:53.03 | treke | yup |
| 22:53.14 | kergoth | hmm, odd |
| 22:53.20 | kergoth | ./config.status: line 434: syntax error near unexpected token `then' |
| 22:53.21 | kergoth | ./config.status: line 434: `dnl if cmp main/internal_functions.c.old main/internal_functions.c > /dev/null 2>&1; then' |
| 22:53.37 | kergoth | oh, my autoconf call at toplevel failed |
| 22:53.39 | kergoth | that explains that |
| 22:53.50 | kergoth | WARNING: documentation. |
| 22:53.50 | kergoth | aclocal.m4:1970: error: m4_defn: undefined macro: _m4_divert_diversion |
| 22:53.50 | kergoth | TSRM/threads.m4:62: PTHREADS_FLAGS is expanded from... |
| 22:53.50 | kergoth | aclocal.m4:1970: the top level |
| 22:53.50 | kergoth | autom4te: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1 |
| 22:53.51 | ljp | in opie? |
| 22:53.53 | kergoth | hmmmm. |
| 22:54.22 | ljp | treke: in opie? |
| 22:54.39 | treke | ljp: yes |
| 22:55.52 | ljp | cool. could I take a look at that? :D |
| 22:56.16 | treke | I'll try generating patches. |
| 22:56.20 | kergoth | bah, he just wants to steal it for qtopia |
| 22:56.23 | treke | Nothing really pretty, but it works |
| 22:56.50 | treke | ljp: basically I just assigned a QKey to key 102 in qwskeyboard_wqs and mapped it to flip() in odevice |
| 22:56.57 | ljp | heh. all my code is not pretty, but it works. for the most part |
| 22:57.09 | treke | then I wrote a suspend method that looks at the return value from chkhinge and set's the orientation on resume |
| 22:58.58 | kergoth | what the hell |
| 22:59.01 | ljp | if you could... lpotter at trolltech.com :) please.. whole files ok |
| 22:59.08 | kergoth | why would autoconf think dnl isnt valid |
| 22:59.15 | treke | sure |
| 23:00.02 | chouimat | ljp: at least you have your full name ... |
| 23:00.18 | kergoth | hm, the system is playing "we will rock you" as sung by a group of children, mixed heavily |
| 23:00.21 | kergoth | weird |
| 23:00.34 | chouimat | kergoth? |
| 23:00.38 | ljp | system? |
| 23:00.48 | kergoth | xm radio |
| 23:01.22 | chouimat | ok me going to eat dinner and watch tv and start the heater |
| 23:01.41 | kergoth | configure.in:1: error: possibly undefined macro: dnl |
| 23:01.43 | kergoth | arg! |
| 23:01.47 | kergoth | who undefined dnl??? |
| 23:01.58 | kergoth | odd |
| 23:02.10 | chouimat | wow |
| 23:06.34 | W8TVI | hey kergoth |
| 23:06.43 | W8TVI | I got my sg20 all set up |
| 23:07.12 | W8TVI | I haven't had the networking stall on me YET.... |
| 23:07.28 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:07.47 | W8TVI | I'm hoping that what I did fixed it |
| 23:08.12 | W8TVI | I reconfigured all the networking scripts and crossed my fingers and rebooted the servetr |
| 23:08.14 | W8TVI | server |
| 23:09.04 | W8TVI | I'm using the "wan" port for my ap |
| 23:09.17 | W8TVI | I have it on another subnet |
| 23:09.24 | kergoth | god thats weird |
| 23:09.29 | kergoth | who the fuck is undefining dnl. |
| 23:09.30 | W8TVI | what? |
| 23:09.43 | kergoth | i cant seem to run autoconf against php's source tree all of a sudden |
| 23:09.47 | kergoth | worked earlier |
| 23:09.55 | W8TVI | huh... |
| 23:13.13 | kergoth | hm |
| 23:16.15 | treke | shit |
| 23:16.19 | treke | I broke resuming |
| 23:16.27 | kergoth | heh, oops |
| 23:17.27 | treke | maybe not |
| 23:17.39 | kergoth | ~kill autoconf |
| 23:17.42 | | ACTION slits autoconf's throat |
| 23:17.56 | treke | ljp: sending the files right now |
| 23:18.24 | treke | ljp: the odevice patch wont work unless you uninstall usb networking or raise the timeout to 15 seconds |
| 23:18.49 | kergoth | heh, we need syncronous suspending |
| 23:18.58 | kergoth | s/sync/synch/ |
| 23:19.06 | treke | kergoth: I'm gonna fix that :p |
| 23:19.21 | kergoth | its an annoying bug |
| 23:19.22 | treke | It'll be a hack, but it'll work :p |
| 23:19.30 | kergoth | FINALLY |
| 23:19.36 | kergoth | got past the configure step on php |
| 23:19.37 | treke | a proper kernel fix would be welcome |
| 23:19.37 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:20.35 | ljp | treke: ya, I figure something out for that part |
| 23:20.42 | W8TVI | hmmm. |
| 23:20.59 | W8TVI | some one claims that the hancom ipks from here: http://mobile.hancom.com/download/download_cust.html |
| 23:21.05 | W8TVI | are compatable with OZ |
| 23:21.09 | treke | they are |
| 23:21.17 | W8TVI | hancommobileword_1.4.4_arm.ipk |
| 23:21.28 | W8TVI | ibot: hancom |
| 23:21.29 | | try zsi hancom, or http://www.zaurus.com/dev/hancom/files/Sl-5000d.zip |
| 23:21.48 | treke | W8TVI: The ones off the 2.3x images from sharp work also |
| 23:21.56 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 23:22.30 | treke | W8TVI: It's only the corgi, husky, shepherd, poodle, and collie 3.1 ones that don't work |
| 23:23.06 | W8TVI | hows that? |
| 23:23.21 | treke | They don't work because they changed the launcher |
| 23:23.28 | chouimat | ~change 1 cad to usd |
| 23:24.19 | tux_mike | ~change 1 usd to usd |
| 23:24.30 | tux_mike | who would have thought |
| 23:24.36 | tux_mike | i was hoping for like 1.23 |
| 23:24.37 | W8TVI | ah |
| 23:25.44 | kergoth | argh |
| 23:25.50 | kergoth | arm-linux-libtool: link: `ext/zlib/zlib.lo' is not a valid libtool object |
| 23:25.52 | kergoth | IT IS TOO! |
| 23:26.05 | tux_mike | libtool, the ultamate tool. |
| 23:26.15 | treke | kergoth: sent off an email to openzaurus-users to keep people from thinking oz is dead :p |
| 23:26.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:27.21 | W8TVI | heh |
| 23:36.38 | W8TVI | all right! |
| 23:36.48 | W8TVI | hancom stuff is back |
| 23:36.51 | W8TVI | :) |
| 23:37.42 | treke | gonna see if I can get by with my zaurus only for 4 days :p |
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