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| 00:30.04 | chouimat | hi ljp_ |
| 00:32.09 | ljp_ | hey |
| 00:35.23 | chouimat | hmmm I think I will go watch tonight movie: End of Days ... |
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| 00:48.40 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
| 00:48.57 | kergoth | hey |
| 00:49.30 | chouimat | hmmm me needs to get those DVD: Event Horizon. Dark City and Stigmata |
| 00:49.51 | sheenmaster | chouimat: if you buy DVD's, you're funding terrorism |
| 00:50.05 | chouimat | sheenmaster: huh? |
| 00:50.38 | sheenmaster | chouimat: the MPAA has ruined the lives of innocent tinkerers over the CSS crypto scheme used in DVDs. |
| 00:50.53 | sheenmaster | chouimat: every DVD you buy gives them more money, to hurt more innocent people |
| 00:52.01 | chouimat | sheenmaster: I have a regionless player ... |
| 00:52.14 | sheenmaster | so do I, but that's irrelevent |
| 00:52.35 | sheenmaster | region codes have still encroached upon your right to first sale |
| 00:52.49 | sheenmaster | you can resell foreign DVDs, but anyone playing them can be arrested under bullshit laws |
| 00:52.59 | sheenmaster | either way, they get money from it |
| 00:53.04 | chouimat | sheenmaster: if i stop to think about every thing big co do to fuck me, I'm better to kill myself right now |
| 00:53.07 | sheenmaster | it's like buying an OpenServer license |
| 00:53.37 | treke|home | sheenmaster: erm, no you can't be arrested for playing them |
| 00:53.42 | ljp_ | in some countries, region dvd's are illegal |
| 00:54.04 | chouimat | and the problem is that someone gave too much liberties on lawyer in the past ... |
| 00:54.28 | sheenmaster | treke|home: ok, possesing the technology to play them |
| 00:54.36 | sheenmaster | treke|home: essentially the same thing |
| 00:54.36 | treke|home | sheenmaster: No, that isn't illegal either |
| 00:54.49 | sheenmaster | treke|home: attaining it then? |
| 00:55.01 | treke|home | No. It's perfectly legal to play your region 6 dvd in the us |
| 00:55.06 | chouimat | sheenmaster: and in canada it's legal to modify you rDVD player to remove the region stuff ... |
| 00:55.09 | treke|home | you just need a region 6 dvd player |
| 00:55.25 | _Psycho | treke you have 0.5.1 scummvm patch close ? |
| 00:55.30 | sheenmaster | chouimat: in canada the MPAA probably gets part of the toothpaste tax as compensation... |
| 00:55.36 | treke|home | _Psycho: There was no patch |
| 00:55.40 | treke|home | _Psycho: Just recompiled it |
| 00:55.42 | _Psycho | oh ok :) |
| 00:55.43 | _Psycho | i see |
| 00:55.58 | chouimat | sheenmaster: there is a tax in every blank media we get here ... |
| 00:56.22 | ljp_ | hey! my mp3 stuff has earned me $.12 over the 4 years its been there! wooot! |
| 00:56.24 | treke|home | sheenmaster: They aren't illegal to play in the us, they just don't sell the tools you need to play them here |
| 00:56.26 | sheenmaster | chouimat: that sucks |
| 00:56.35 | ljp_ | mp3.com that is |
| 00:56.43 | sheenmaster | chouimat: socialism in general sucks |
| 00:57.11 | treke|home | they pay extra for media because they are obviosuly going to steal stuff, and it becomes legal to do so :p |
| 00:57.13 | chouimat | sheenmaster: also coping cd for private use is legal |
| 00:57.36 | treke|home | sheenmaster: The US has a similar tax on media |
| 00:57.41 | sheenmaster | damnit! |
| 00:57.49 | sheenmaster | Where do I get a refund? |
| 00:57.54 | sheenmaster | I'm not stealing onto discs. |
| 00:57.56 | treke|home | You don;t |
| 00:58.04 | treke|home | It's only payed on Audio disks iirc |
| 00:58.12 | sheenmaster | ok |
| 00:58.15 | sheenmaster | I'm still pissed. |
| 00:58.16 | ljp_ | no one cares if I earned $.12 at mp3.com?!?! |
| 00:58.34 | sheenmaster | ljp_: good job, fight the occupation, damn the RIAA |
| 00:58.34 | treke|home | You don't see many disks labeled audio these days :) |
| 00:58.37 | chouimat | treke|home: only for private use ... in other term getting mp3 from your computer is legal, coping myself one of your cd is legal but if you give me a copied cd, then that is illegal |
| 00:58.43 | sheenmaster | ljp_: pretend to be a media baron and get some of the CD taxes! |
| 00:58.48 | treke|home | chouimat: Fine by me |
| 00:59.39 | chouimat | treke|home: but the RIAA want to change the canadian law because it was adopted before napster and co came to life |
| 00:59.44 | sheenmaster | I don't steal anything. Taxing my media to pay media barons in making me pay for stuff that I didn't steal, effectively stealing from me. |
| 00:59.44 | ljp_ | I are professional |
| 00:59.52 | treke|home | chouimat: that's their problem |
| 01:00.00 | chouimat | treke|home: yup ... |
| 01:00.04 | treke|home | :p |
| 01:00.06 | ljp_ | sheenmaster: so get the laws changed if you dont like them |
| 01:00.39 | sheenmaster | ljp_: It's easier to declare my own nation and defect. |
| 01:00.46 | sheenmaster | ljp_: costs about the same. |
| 01:00.47 | treke|home | so do so? |
| 01:01.05 | sheenmaster | can't afford either just yet |
| 01:01.30 | chouimat | sheenmaster: look at the fact, I for myself download a lot of music from the net... but if the album is really good I will buy anyway ... with napster,kazaa I discovered a lot of band that I would have never think about buying an album because I listened to it before |
| 01:02.40 | chouimat | sheenmaster: p2p enable people to discover more "less know" artist (in other words, artist that are not commercial ...) |
| 01:03.04 | sheenmaster | That's a flaw in copyright law. IMHO, any form of copyright violation that is not for monitary gain is not stealing. |
| 01:03.21 | sheenmaster | Economics are irrelevant to ethics, but extraordinarily relevant to law. |
| 01:03.35 | treke|home | sheenmaster: Except it is for monetary gain |
| 01:03.38 | sheenmaster | The people can't bribe congress, but commercial interest groups can. |
| 01:04.10 | chouimat | and after that people will say that politicians are more honorable than whores |
| 01:04.13 | treke|home | the person is gaining the cost of accessing materials |
| 01:04.26 | treke|home | sheenmaster: Simple answer, vote people who fuck up out of office |
| 01:04.27 | sheenmaster | no, they are avoiding it |
| 01:04.30 | sheenmaster | they make nothing |
| 01:04.55 | treke|home | Fine |
| 01:05.05 | treke|home | then they are gaining the value of the media they have accessed |
| 01:05.09 | treke|home | either way they have profited |
| 01:05.35 | chouimat | tabarnack!!! I'm pout of beer |
| 01:05.36 | W8TVI | iTunes for windows |
| 01:06.39 | sheenmaster | In America, we effectively have two controlling parties. The socialists, or "liberals" and the fascists, or "conservatives." Each fucks the system up as much as it can to distract the other side, and each effectively sell out to the same people. |
| 01:07.29 | ljp_ | I really doubt you know what a fascist is |
| 01:08.09 | sheenmaster | ljp_: It's a mild hyperbole. |
| 01:13.11 | chouimat | ljp_: look I was called nazi at the last election because I voted for the party that wanted to remove the "employement security" of the govement employes ... |
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| 01:14.12 | omin0us | hi everyone |
| 01:14.42 | chouimat | hmmm 20 minutes walk to go get beers |
| 01:15.46 | omin0us | lol |
| 01:15.57 | chouimat | hmmmm the french actor they choose to dubt arnold is gay |
| 01:16.18 | omin0us | arg, i just installed mandrake 9.1 |
| 01:16.31 | treke|home | chouimat: ? |
| 01:16.34 | omin0us | so that i can set up a cross compiling environment |
| 01:16.37 | sheenmaster | chouimat: Isn't "employment security" what make my school system trade child molesters, kiddie porn freaks, etc from one school to another rather than fire them? |
| 01:16.44 | omin0us | and i went to install the gaim rpm |
| 01:16.48 | omin0us | and it crapped out :( |
| 01:17.08 | sheenmaster | s/make/makes |
| 01:17.29 | chouimat | treke|home: I'm watching End of Days (the canadian french dubbed version) and the guy they chose to do the arnold voice is guay |
| 01:17.34 | treke|home | ah |
| 01:18.04 | chouimat | sheenmaster: that meam if they close your post ... they will create a new job for you even if they dopn't need you anymore |
| 01:18.33 | sheenmaster | chouimat: ok, it must be the "perverts creed" or some other unwritten law then |
| 01:21.19 | chouimat | sheenmaster: not in Quebec |
| 01:21.19 | treke|home | damnit still on strike |
| 01:21.57 | sheenmaster | treke|home: who's on strike? |
| 01:22.12 | treke|home | sheenmaster: Vons, Ralphs, and Albertsons |
| 01:22.16 | sheenmaster | ? |
| 01:22.25 | treke|home | sheenmaster: Grocery store workers |
| 01:22.46 | sheenmaster | simpsons did it |
| 01:22.47 | chouimat | hmmm do I go out get some more beers or not |
| 01:23.43 | sheenmaster | chouimat: got for caffeine instead |
| 01:24.20 | chouimat | need to sleep tonight so I will go out but the store close in 35 minutes |
| 01:29.30 | chouimat | ljp_: is the rugby seasons started? |
| 01:30.56 | ljp_ | just about over. I think |
| 01:31.20 | ljp_ | but ya, there's rugby everywhere |
| 01:31.49 | chouimat | ljp_: a real man sport not like those sissies of th NFL ;) |
| 01:35.07 | ljp_ | you should see the AFL here - aussie rules rugby, it's even more chatic |
| 01:35.24 | ljp_ | chaotic |
| 01:35.33 | ljp_ | however its spelled |
| 01:38.10 | omin0us | hey, will gcc 3.3.2 work for setting up a cross compiler and developing apps for the zaurus? |
| 01:38.17 | omin0us | or do i need to use an earlier versioN? |
| 01:38.25 | treke|home | you need to use 2.95 |
| 01:38.35 | omin0us | i do |
| 01:38.37 | omin0us | hmm |
| 01:38.41 | omin0us | 2.96 won't work? |
| 01:38.46 | treke|home | no |
| 01:38.47 | treke|home | 2.95 |
| 01:38.59 | omin0us | ok |
| 01:40.30 | omin0us | crap, all i can find on rpm find for mandrake is 2.95.2 |
| 01:40.38 | omin0us | will that work? |
| 01:41.00 | treke|home | use the prebuild gcc 2.95.3 cross compilers |
| 01:41.16 | omin0us | where are those? |
| 01:41.44 | treke|home | http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ |
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| 01:44.19 | omin0us | sorry, you guys probably get this kind of stuff alot in here |
| 01:44.33 | omin0us | but i really want to help contribute to OZ/OE |
| 01:46.23 | ljp_ | http://www.openembedded.org |
| 02:11.19 | chouimat | ~lart musiqueplus for giving Iron Maiden a awful sound |
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| 02:16.12 | chouimat | hmmmm why they can broadcast rock music with the right setting ... the iron maiden sound like a j-lo videoclip |
| 02:18.37 | lpotter | hmm |
| 02:18.42 | lpotter | where that diffs |
| 02:24.54 | chouimat | lpotter: ? |
| 02:25.10 | lpotter | buffered framebuffer diffs |
| 02:27.14 | lpotter | hmm, I thik they are at work |
| 02:28.59 | treke|home | buffered-fbmem.patch |
| 02:29.00 | treke|home | ? |
| 02:29.56 | treke|home | jeeze, it's 3 lines of preprocessor directives and one line of new code |
| 02:30.42 | lpotter | ya, its small. theres also anyother file patched |
| 02:30.56 | treke|home | this patch only touches fbmem.c |
| 02:32.27 | lpotter | i think the othe rfile is pg something |
| 02:32.32 | lpotter | heh |
| 02:32.38 | treke|home | oh well. email me if you find it |
| 02:33.25 | lpotter | hey here it is. |
| 02:33.25 | treke|home | kergoth: scummvm on the c760 is yummy :p |
| 02:33.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:33.31 | kergoth | nice |
| 02:33.41 | lpotter | not sure if its the whole patches necessary |
| 02:33.52 | W8TVI | hey kergoth |
| 02:33.56 | treke|home | i have to do a bunch of crap every bootup to set it up, but it works |
| 02:34.05 | W8TVI | I tried arping |
| 02:34.12 | W8TVI | I got 3 replys |
| 02:34.44 | lpotter | treke: email addy? |
| 02:34.48 | treke|home | greg@treke.net |
| 02:35.04 | W8TVI | on was one about 15.0 one 500.0 and one 70.0 |
| 02:35.12 | treke|home | kergoth: I figure it will make the flight to the php conference more enjoyable :p |
| 02:35.17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:36.14 | treke|home | probably break down and buy a big ass sd card or cf card before leaving |
| 02:37.45 | W8TVI | kergoth, any ideas? |
| 02:48.21 | chouimat | treke|home: you leaving? |
| 02:48.38 | treke|home | chouimat: I'm going to the market in a short while |
| 02:49.25 | chouimat | ok here it's closed and I'm out of drink ... and I don't feel like going in a club tonight |
| 02:49.57 | chouimat | since the student where all in their family this weeks the club will be boring |
| 02:49.58 | treke|home | kergoth: it sucks, my flight leaves at 5 am, and I tend to not sleep on planes :p |
| 02:51.02 | W8TVI | 5am? yech |
| 02:51.16 | chouimat | treke|home: don't know what is better leaving at 5am to get in montreal for a flight at 7h30pm and arrive in prague at 4pm the day after? |
| 02:51.48 | treke|home | luckilly it's probably only a 45 minute flight |
| 02:51.59 | chouimat | treke|home: going where? |
| 02:52.23 | treke|home | chouimat: San Jose |
| 02:52.42 | chouimat | treke|home: you will have nice weather :) |
| 02:53.00 | treke|home | chouimat: Probably no nicer than I already have :p |
| 02:53.13 | lpotter | try a 14 hour plane flight - you'll sleep |
| 02:53.21 | chouimat | treke|home: but probably nicer than the one i have it's 3C here |
| 02:53.52 | treke|home | actually, weather will probably be nicer at home. Those nice mild costal temperatures |
| 02:54.31 | chouimat | lpotter: the things is the now do montreal/australia in one flight ... |
| 02:56.02 | chouimat | Screws (script enhanced Web server) |
| 02:56.06 | lpotter | ouch |
| 02:56.26 | lpotter | treke: get that mail? does the diff look all there? |
| 02:56.39 | chouimat | lpotter: and I don't feel like to try it |
| 02:56.45 | chouimat | the flight |
| 02:56.51 | lpotter | chicken |
| 02:57.09 | lpotter | its not bad.. they just play the same 5 movies over and over |
| 02:57.09 | chouimat | lpotter: maybe in 2 or 3 segments ;) |
| 02:58.32 | chouimat | lpotter: the problem is that Hooters Airline don't go there :) |
| 02:58.45 | treke|home | ljp: I got the mail. lemme check the diff |
| 02:59.20 | lpotter | it seems maybe a part is missing to me, I dunno |
| 02:59.33 | treke|home | that may be true |
| 02:59.44 | chouimat | ok time to get some rest |
| 02:59.56 | chouimat | night |
| 03:00.19 | W8TVI | kergoth: ping |
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| 04:32.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:33.00 | kergoth | the fix for the stupid "sysvinit hangs on boot due to kernel claiming it has waitpid when it doesnt" breaks strace |
| 04:33.04 | kergoth | fun |
| 04:33.12 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:33.31 | W8TVI | hey kergoth |
| 04:33.42 | kergoth | hey |
| 04:33.53 | W8TVI | did you see what I said about the arpings? |
| 04:34.33 | kergoth | that it responds during the period when your pings dont? yeah |
| 04:34.36 | kergoth | interesting |
| 04:34.37 | W8TVI | during about a 5 min time while it was acting up I only got 3 arping replys |
| 04:34.43 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:34.44 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 04:35.07 | W8TVI | and they were big ping tims |
| 04:35.10 | W8TVI | times |
| 04:35.15 | W8TVI | what does that mean? |
| 04:35.28 | W8TVI | I've never used arping before |
| 04:36.45 | kergoth | means the box's networking is still functional at least to some degree, since it responds to arp |
| 04:36.58 | W8TVI | so not a hardware problem |
| 04:37.17 | W8TVI | more like a crappy toshiba hack problem? |
| 04:39.06 | kergoth | well, hard to say beyond the fact that it isnt likely to be hardware. |
| 04:39.17 | kergoth | probably just the box periodically grinding to a virtual halt |
| 04:39.28 | kergoth | so hung up it can barely muster the cpu to respond to network packets |
| 04:39.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:39.39 | W8TVI | I wonder if the bridging thing is what is makeing the trouble |
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| 04:44.15 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 04:44.16 | W8TVI | bridge name bridge id STP enabled interfaces |
| 04:44.16 | W8TVI | brg0 8000.0010c6187481 no eth0 |
| 04:56.07 | treke|home | dude, there are zaurus styluses with a partially metal barrel? |
| 04:56.11 | treke|home | wtf |
| 04:56.21 | W8TVI | mine is |
| 04:56.33 | W8TVI | plastic on eather end |
| 04:56.42 | treke|home | what's with the bullshit of putting a solid platic one in the c760 |
| 04:56.53 | W8TVI | mettal in the middle |
| 04:56.56 | W8TVI | no idea |
| 04:57.07 | treke|home | suck my balls sharp. |
| 04:57.10 | treke|home | suck my balls |
| 04:57.34 | W8TVI | hey kergoth |
| 04:57.58 | W8TVI | the switch in the back of the sg20 is just a switch, right? |
| 04:58.47 | W8TVI | shouldn't I be able to connect the wan port to the switch and bring it up and have it get an address over dhcp from itself? |
| 04:59.44 | W8TVI | well... lets see |
| 04:59.54 | W8TVI | heh |
| 04:59.56 | W8TVI | it works! |
| 05:01.58 | W8TVI | [root@myserver root]# arp |
| 05:01.58 | W8TVI | Address HWtype HWaddress Flags Mask Iface |
| 05:01.58 | W8TVI | pc-3.myserver.loc ether 00:04:5A:ff:ff:ff C brg0 |
| 05:01.58 | W8TVI | pc-3.myserver.loc ether 00:04:5A:ff:ff:ff C eth1 |
| 05:03.10 | W8TVI | now, I should be able to take down the bridge and re start up the eth0 in a more normal mode |
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| 05:16.57 | W8TVI_ | that was fun |
| 05:17.22 | W8TVI_ | took down the bridge and it lost the route to eth1 |
| 05:19.19 | W8TVI_ | kergoth, I think this is funny: Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M |
| 05:19.28 | W8TVI_ | what floppy drive? |
| 05:22.19 | mithro | treke|home: the partly metal stylus is bad - the plastic top/bottom break of if you drop is even from a small height |
| 05:22.38 | treke|home | sun |
| 05:22.40 | treke|home | fun |
| 05:23.16 | mithro | i've gone through 3 styluses |
| 05:24.04 | mithro | treke|home: btw the qte provided by the Sharp c7x0 rom is hardware accelerated |
| 05:24.25 | treke|home | mithro: I know, it does do some acceleration |
| 05:25.23 | mithro | some people have got over 30fps with 640x480 mode |
| 05:25.29 | W8TVI_ | kergoth, it only bridges to bridge the wired to the wireless interface |
| 05:26.03 | W8TVI_ | as far as I can tell |
| 05:26.19 | treke|home | mithro: I just want to know how to do rotation to the proper rotations :p |
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| 06:15.30 | treke|home | sweet |
| 06:15.40 | treke|home | the hotel I'll be in has wireless :) |
| 06:50.55 | lpotter | farout, dude |
| 06:51.33 | _Psycho | wonder if there is big change between qtopia 1.5.4 and 1.7.0 |
| 06:51.42 | _Psycho | oops was for #zaurus ;) |
| 06:52.07 | lpotter | yes |
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| 10:26.25 | Twiun | good morning folks |
| 10:27.20 | lpotter | morning?! |
| 10:27.45 | Twiun | 11:30am is still morning ;) |
| 10:27.51 | Twiun | mickeyl: ping |
| 10:28.15 | lpotter | 20:27 here |
| 10:30.01 | mickeyl | Twiun: pong |
| 10:30.19 | mickeyl | morning all, btw. |
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| 10:31.42 | Twiun | mickeyl: I chatted to my designer - he's interested ;) |
| 10:32.01 | mickeyl | Twiun: ah that's good news :) |
| 10:32.06 | Twiun | mickeyl: writing him an email with the opie details |
| 10:32.22 | Twiun | mickeyl: trying to get an app list together as well so he gets an idea of the scope |
| 10:33.29 | mickeyl | Twiun: good. we have a few apps listed on the wiki, but you can just get it out of cvs, i think |
| 10:35.06 | Twiun | mickeyl: yeah, that's what I was planning on doing - I'll try putting a small explanation note next to each if necessary (and edit the wiki accordingly?) |
| 10:37.07 | Twiun | mickeyl: think a find for all the .desktop files will find all the apps? |
| 10:37.40 | mickeyl | Twiun: yes |
| 10:37.54 | Twiun | mickeyl: cool |
| 10:38.54 | Twiun | mickeyl: have you been able to chat to anyone else on the project about this? (the more momentum behind it, the more we can enforce these things) |
| 10:39.50 | TheMasterMind1 | what're you guys talking about? |
| 10:39.57 | mickeyl | Twiun: not yet, i was away for a conference. just been in since a few hours. will do that next week - i think all are in a hurry to release 1.0.2 this weekend |
| 10:40.09 | TheMasterMind1 | 1.0.2 is releasing? |
| 10:40.10 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 10:40.17 | Twiun | mickeyl: Ok, I'll phrase the email with those aspects pending |
| 10:40.20 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: GUI design / style guide / etc. for Opie |
| 10:40.26 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 10:40.29 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 10:40.45 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: with a single, dedicated source - none of that programmer artwork ;) |
| 10:40.58 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 10:40.59 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, that would be very cool |
| 10:41.22 | Twiun | mickeyl: pointing him to the gallery as well - so he gets an idea of the differing screen sizes and existing looks |
| 10:41.45 | mickeyl | Twiun: good. that has to be taking into account right from the start. |
| 10:41.46 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: you have a designer?!? |
| 10:41.59 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: best thing about this guy is that I know him personally - I've worked with him |
| 10:42.12 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: it's a strong possibility |
| 10:42.19 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: he's interested ;) |
| 10:42.42 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 10:42.56 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: his previous position was doing exactly what we're proposing, but for a commercial product line |
| 10:43.18 | Twiun | this'll be a way for him to increase his portfolio |
| 10:43.37 | Twiun | so there's something for everyone |
| 10:44.00 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 10:44.01 | TheMasterMind1 | good stuff |
| 10:45.56 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: oh, and he can code too (hates it though) so he's familiar with the constraints developers have to work with |
| 10:48.57 | mickeyl | is it me or is the hh.org cvs slooooooow these days? |
| 10:49.43 | MrXeon|OpieDev | just did an cvs update, worked as always |
| 10:49.58 | Twiun | MrXeon|OpieDev: it's working, just slow |
| 10:50.05 | mickeyl | hmm... strange. then it may be my upstream... |
| 10:51.27 | MrXeon|OpieDev | Twiun: with worked as always i menat it worked with the same speed as always |
| 10:52.13 | Twiun | MrXeon|OpieDev: Ahhh |
| 10:52.24 | Twiun | always slow then? |
| 10:52.39 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 10:53.04 | mickeyl | i'm doing cvs -t update |
| 10:53.14 | mickeyl | and it hangs here since around 15 minutes |
| 10:53.23 | mickeyl | "-> sending file <xxx> to server" |
| 10:53.28 | mickeyl | for every file *sigh* |
| 10:54.40 | Twiun | ah, then mine's faster ;) |
| 10:54.48 | Twiun | I do get a good file a second |
| 10:56.03 | Twiun | done. |
| 10:56.14 | Twiun | mickeyl: read /. about the europatent stuff? |
| 10:57.39 | mickeyl | not yet - just computing since a few hours trying to catch a week up |
| 10:58.19 | mickeyl | ugh. the case is still not settled? |
| 10:58.25 | mickeyl | damn |
| 11:00.12 | Twiun | yeah, stupid UK ministers |
| 11:12.10 | Twiun | mickeyl: is this list reasonable complete? http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php/OpieApps |
| 11:12.17 | Twiun | s/reasonable/reasonably/ |
| 11:13.29 | mickeyl | depends |
| 11:13.35 | mickeyl | there are missing a few apps |
| 11:14.17 | mickeyl | and we moved some stuff, e.g. sysinfo is now found in settings. |
| 11:14.23 | mickeyl | but it's a start |
| 11:15.13 | Twiun | ok, I'll point him to that page then |
| 11:15.44 | Twiun | would all of those fall under the style guide remit - or only some of them? |
| 11:16.21 | mickeyl | since this list has not been cleared of the unmaintained apps I'd say it should apply to most, but not all |
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| 11:16.52 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 11:18.43 | mickeyl | Twiun: I'll comment the apps atm. on that page (e.g. unmaintained, maintained, etc.) |
| 11:19.01 | Twiun | ok, sent him the email - I'll phone him in a few hours to gauge his response and answer questions |
| 11:19.08 | Twiun | mickeyl: Great, thanks :) |
| 11:19.31 | Prakash | any one worked with rpx 860 for embedded linux |
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| 14:01.37 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:02.31 | Twiun[afk] | hiya chouimat |
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| 16:26.08 | tiga | hiya! |
| 16:27.01 | tiga | i'm looking fpr precompiled vpn clients for the Z ... couldnt find one at killefiz... hints? |
| 16:27.22 | treke|home | #zaurus |
| 16:27.52 | tiga | ah.. even when using OZ ? :) |
| 16:27.57 | chouimat | yes |
| 16:27.58 | treke|home | #openzaurus |
| 16:28.11 | tiga | *g* thx |
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| 17:55.57 | treke|home | TimRiker: You know if sharp had any kind of deal to license busybox under a non gpl license? |
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| 18:02.38 | TimRiker | treke|home: no. busybox has multiple copyright owners. it would be extremely difficult for anyone do do a non-gpl version. |
| 18:02.41 | TimRiker | why? |
| 18:03.07 | treke|home | TimRiker: Just curious. Was looking at the sharp source page and noticed they had no busybox source up. Not that anyone would really care to download it :) |
| 18:03.27 | kergoth | the 5000d/5500 one is on more.sbc.co.jp |
| 18:03.30 | TimRiker | flame... uh.. email them and point that out. |
| 18:03.32 | kergoth | dunno about the other models |
| 18:03.36 | treke|home | is it? |
| 18:03.50 | treke|home | I didn't see it, but could have missed it since the site sort of is japanese |
| 18:03.59 | kergoth | thought so, but going from memory, so could be mistaken |
| 18:04.14 | treke|home | TimRiker: not worth the effort :p |
| 18:08.50 | W8TVI | no icons on kde, and I dont know how to start it |
| 18:08.59 | treke|home | with the bzflag command? |
| 18:09.17 | W8TVI | tryed |
| 18:09.30 | W8TVI | i386 rpm gcc3 ABI (redhat 8+) |
| 18:09.32 | W8TVI | grr |
| 18:09.42 | W8TVI | [w8tvi@localhost w8tvi]$ bzflag |
| 18:09.43 | W8TVI | bash: bzflag: command not found |
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| 18:18.03 | TimRiker | W8TVI: rpm -ql bzflag |
| 18:18.18 | TimRiker | might be /usr/games/bzflag which might not be on your path. |
| 18:23.31 | W8TVI | nope... it only downloaded 88k of it |
| 18:24.37 | W8TVI | it works now |
| 18:25.59 | TimRiker | cool. |
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| 18:57.22 | Soopaman | afternoon all |
| 18:58.42 | Twiun | hiya Soopaman |
| 19:02.09 | W8TVI | I like BZFlag |
| 19:02.19 | W8TVI | I can play it on linux now! |
| 19:02.19 | W8TVI | :) |
| 19:02.48 | W8TVI | I just wish there was a descent 3 type game for linux |
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| 19:08.57 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 19:08.58 | TheMasterMind1 | alias rocks |
| 19:09.33 | treke|home | W8TVI: You mean like... descent 3? |
| 19:09.46 | W8TVI | but on linux |
| 19:09.49 | treke|home | W8TVI: You mean like... descent 3? |
| 19:09.59 | yeiazel | but on linux |
| 19:10.00 | W8TVI | I have decent 3 |
| 19:10.02 | yeiazel | :) |
| 19:10.04 | W8TVI | and I play it on windows |
| 19:10.08 | yeiazel | W8TVI: use wine |
| 19:10.26 | treke|home | W8TVI: So go buy descent 3 for linux |
| 19:10.39 | yeiazel | :) |
| 19:10.43 | W8TVI | you cant buy "descent 3 for linux" |
| 19:10.48 | treke|home | W8TVI: sure you can |
| 19:11.11 | yeiazel | it's edited by Loki |
| 19:11.15 | yeiazel | anyway... *was* edited |
| 19:11.22 | treke|home | or are you telling me this descent 3 for linux cd I have sitting right in front of me doesnt exist? |
| 19:11.24 | yeiazel | since Loki's dead... |
| 19:13.04 | treke|home | ~/win 12 |
| 19:13.31 | yeiazel | treke|home: alt-w with irssi :) |
| 19:14.04 | treke|home | yeiazel: alt-w is bound to something else |
| 19:14.12 | yeiazel | oh ? |
| 19:14.22 | treke|home | yes |
| 19:14.25 | yeiazel | that's dumb :) |
| 19:14.33 | treke|home | And why is that? |
| 19:14.44 | yeiazel | just trolling |
| 19:14.45 | yeiazel | :) |
| 19:28.29 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 19:28.34 | TheMasterMind1 | broadcom wifi on linux |
| 19:28.41 | TheMasterMind1 | using the windows ndis drivers |
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| 19:47.16 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: cool :) |
| 19:47.47 | mickeyl | ibot: botmail for cmartin: I just finished the outstanding issues for the floating inputmethods. Feel free to rebuild and test. |
| 19:47.56 | treke|home | hey mickeyl |
| 19:47.59 | mickeyl | hi treke |
| 19:48.40 | treke|home | mickeyl: does the home button work for you on shepherd? |
| 19:48.43 | Twiun | mickeyl: guy's having XP problems - so he'll take a look at my email tomorrow |
| 19:49.48 | mickeyl | treke: no it doesn't - but that's due to my sysrq-patch. We should just disable the sysrq for "user" builds. |
| 19:49.57 | treke|home | ah cool |
| 19:50.05 | treke|home | I'll do that for my builds :) |
| 19:51.24 | mickeyl | still doing builds with OZ? |
| 19:51.34 | treke|home | for some things |
| 19:51.36 | mickeyl | i was a week away. how's OE progressing? |
| 19:51.51 | treke|home | I've mostly been working on non oe stuff |
| 19:51.57 | treke|home | spent the week on SDL |
| 19:52.18 | mickeyl | oh nice! got a patch for c7x0? |
| 19:52.43 | treke|home | mickeyl: There's a patch on some japanese website that works fine |
| 19:53.16 | mickeyl | treke: aha. should find its way upstream hopefully |
| 19:53.42 | treke|home | It's a bit hackish and only works on the zaurus |
| 19:53.45 | treke|home | but perhaps it can be adapted |
| 19:53.58 | treke|home | mickeyl: It was looking at all kinds of stuff that doesnt exist in oz |
| 19:54.00 | treke|home | like chkhinge |
| 19:54.12 | treke|home | /tmp/qtembedded-root/QtEmbedded-0.spec |
| 19:54.20 | treke|home | and /proc/deviceinfo/product |
| 19:54.31 | treke|home | the net result was it assumed it was running on a 500d |
| 19:55.18 | mickeyl | treke|home: i see. however qpeapp blitting patch was full of cases for individual devices - so it shouldn't hurt rewriting that pile of code anyway |
| 19:55.30 | mickeyl | s/cases/special cases |
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| 19:55.36 | noda | Moo! |
| 19:56.19 | Twiun | Hey noda, how's tricks? |
| 19:56.30 | noda | tricks? |
| 19:57.36 | Twiun | things, anything, life |
| 19:57.47 | noda | Oh. the usual |
| 19:57.50 | noda | yOU? |
| 19:59.06 | Twiun | same old... recovered from the theft of my laptop - none of my open source work was lost (week's worth of other work was though) |
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| 20:04.35 | TimRiker | http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=descent+3+linux&btnG=Froogle+Search <- descent 3 for Linux links |
| 20:04.40 | TimRiker | too late |
| 20:06.05 | Twiun | it's weird that I can't seem to find pre-made external raid arrays... reasonably priced that is ;) |
| 20:06.40 | treke|home | maybe it's time to fix that |
| 20:07.25 | Twiun | hmmm... not unless I can secure the house ;) |
| 20:07.37 | Twiun | or make loads more money |
| 20:08.24 | treke|home | what your land lord doesnt know can't hurt you |
| 20:08.27 | treke|home | until he finds out |
| 20:08.51 | TimRiker | well then it's something you landlord knows. ;-) |
| 20:08.55 | Twiun | nah - it's the high crime rates in my area I'm bothered about ;) |
| 20:09.10 | Twiun | insurers drive the premiums sky-high |
| 20:09.11 | pb_ | best get out of the 'hood then. |
| 20:09.23 | treke|home | move someplace safe |
| 20:09.24 | Twiun | pb_: hence the mo'money angle |
| 20:09.25 | treke|home | like the US |
| 20:09.40 | pb_ | Twiun: aha, yes |
| 20:10.03 | Twiun | pb_: new contract in farnborough could make that money |
| 20:10.22 | Twiun | pb_: but with the 2hr commute each way, I'll be dead in a year ;) |
| 20:10.26 | treke|home | Twiun: what is so funny, no one has been shot here this week |
| 20:10.44 | Twiun | treke|home: 'here' being the square foot of land under your server? |
| 20:11.18 | treke|home | nah. No murders in the entire apartment complex. |
| 20:11.33 | treke|home | that is something to be proud of |
| 20:11.48 | Twiun | is there actually anyone else left to murder? |
| 20:12.24 | treke|home | sorry, in joke. One of the guys at work thinks I live in the ghetto. He's lived a sheltered life :p |
| 20:12.40 | Twiun | ahhh |
| 20:12.53 | lpotter | you probably DO live in the ghetto |
| 20:13.03 | treke|home | compared to him, I do |
| 20:13.18 | lpotter | in a cardboard box with your laptop, next to an open AP |
| 20:13.42 | treke|home | hmmm, no card board box, but I have a laptop and an open ap |
| 20:13.50 | lpotter | :) |
| 20:28.57 | _Psycho | qte finnaly compiling fine |
| 20:29.00 | _Psycho | qtopia next |
| 20:29.01 | _Psycho | ;) |
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| 20:33.49 | TimRiker | ~seen kergoth |
| 20:33.49 | | kergoth is currently on #uclibc (19h 45m 25s) #zaurus (19h 45m 25s) #elinux (19h 45m 25s) #openembedded (19h 45m 25s) #handhelds.org (19h 45m 25s) #openzaurus (19h 45m 25s). Has said a total of 61 messages. Is idling for 2h 29m 50s |
| 20:35.12 | treke|home | whee |
| 20:35.14 | TimRiker | ~botmail for kergoth I smartmail'ed rikers.org cause some folks seem to block it's current (dynamic) IP. outbound mail goes through smtp.comcast.net now. Should be transparent. Tell me if you have problems. You can email folks at aol.com and jumo.com now. woohoo? |
| 20:35.44 | treke|home | TimRiker: So, is that supposed to be a good thing? |
| 20:36.40 | mickeyl | treke: why? |
| 20:37.00 | treke|home | mickeyl: font package changes |
| 20:37.33 | mickeyl | treke: ah well... |
| 20:37.35 | TimRiker | treke|home: heh. well for some folks I suppose. |
| 20:37.37 | mickeyl | the upgrade path was hosed anyway |
| 20:37.41 | mickeyl | at least on oz |
| 20:38.04 | lpotter | everyone has family on AOL |
| 20:38.19 | treke|home | lpotter: I've disowned mine |
| 20:38.30 | treke|home | mickeyl: Totally |
| 20:38.31 | lpotter | :) |
| 20:38.51 | treke|home | mickeyl: oz 3.2 probably still uses opie-base and qt-embedded as package names |
| 20:39.30 | mickeyl | treke|home: hehe, no it's not _that_ bad. |
| 20:39.46 | mickeyl | treke: however, due to kernel 2.4.6 and its jffs2 there's no way to upgrade on most installations |
| 20:39.56 | mickeyl | so you have to remove all gui packages and reinstall |
| 20:40.03 | treke|home | fun |
| 20:40.21 | mickeyl | zaurus people will be disappointed even more... |
| 20:40.26 | mickeyl | 1.0.2 comes out next week and no zaurus packages |
| 20:40.46 | treke|home | so we can build them |
| 20:40.58 | mickeyl | well - we can't find a new package manager... |
| 20:41.11 | mickeyl | or has anyone volunteered recently? (was a week away) |
| 20:41.15 | treke|home | then I'll do it |
| 20:41.23 | mickeyl | i think you have enough tasks... |
| 20:41.34 | pb_ | What became of the old package manager? |
| 20:41.35 | mickeyl | that's really something for someone else |
| 20:41.50 | mickeyl | pb_: the old package manager found that he did too many tasks |
| 20:41.58 | pb_ | ah, I see |
| 20:42.04 | treke|home | mickeyl: I do, but someone needs to build them :) |
| 20:42.29 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 20:42.39 | treke|home | how long can it possibly take :p |
| 20:43.26 | mickeyl | well. let's see... if 1.0.2 comes out without packages for the zaurus, I'm sure there will be volunteers. |
| 20:44.37 | treke|home | more likely, people will bitch for a couple weeks then flail around blindly trying to figure out how to compile |
| 20:44.49 | mickeyl | hehe, quite a scenario, yeah |
| 20:45.26 | treke|home | It should prove quite entertaining |
| 20:45.41 | killefiz | my guess is that most zaurus users wont touch their installation until oz with a 2.4.2x-kernel arrives (some time next year ... hopefully) |
| 20:45.45 | mickeyl | hopefully. we could use a bit of entertainment :) |
| 20:45.56 | mickeyl | killefiz: nice guess. |
| 20:46.16 | mickeyl | however if we are to rely on kergoth i don't know.... he has sooooo many tasks... |
| 20:46.55 | mickeyl | and btw.... 2.6 seems the more interesting target |
| 20:47.02 | treke|home | Hopefully things will pick up once the new oe is done |
| 20:47.06 | killefiz | there are not too many people able to do the stuff that has to be done |
| 20:47.07 | mickeyl | yeppa |
| 20:47.18 | treke|home | mickeyl: Problem with 2.6 is mmc support |
| 20:47.27 | killefiz | mickeyl: speaking of kernel hackers - have you heard anything from zecke recently? |
| 20:47.40 | mickeyl | killefiz: back to hospital - without inet :( |
| 20:48.04 | mickeyl | treke: right. |
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| 20:49.32 | treke|home | mickeyl: until something happens with that front we'll have to keep on with 2.4.x for some devices |
| 20:50.40 | mickeyl | treke: or hope for sharp to integrate collie support in 2.6 |
| 20:50.55 | treke|home | mickeyl: ? |
| 20:51.10 | mickeyl | collie support in 2.6 |
| 20:51.12 | treke|home | mickeyl: There's collie, poodle, corgi, shepherd, and husky to worry about |
| 20:51.14 | mickeyl | made me laugh |
| 20:51.44 | mickeyl | true, but the situation is better there |
| 20:51.46 | mickeyl | more flash |
| 20:51.54 | treke|home | how does more flash help? |
| 20:52.07 | mickeyl | mmc/sd support is not critical on the models with more flash |
| 20:52.10 | treke|home | the problem is the closed source sd drivers :) |
| 20:52.11 | mickeyl | i can live without |
| 20:52.54 | treke|home | You'd probably be one of the few people who could :) |
| 20:53.04 | mickeyl | really sure? |
| 20:53.16 | mickeyl | i bet quite a lot would trade the better speed for the sd support |
| 20:53.30 | treke|home | mickeyl: I don't think many people would go for it |
| 20:53.50 | killefiz | mickeyl: a 5500 can't do without sd storage - a 5000 even less so |
| 20:53.51 | treke|home | Having to choose either something like bluetooth/wifi or extra storage space? |
| 20:54.58 | mickeyl | or wait until the catchy SanDisk combo card comes up with drivers... |
| 20:55.21 | treke|home | I'd be able to get along with the storage in a husky, but it would be tight |
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| 21:11.19 | ljp | mmmm espresso |
| 21:13.06 | chouimat | ljp : bah |
| 21:13.37 | ljp | :) |
| 21:13.52 | _Psycho | ljp |
| 21:13.55 | chouimat | why that guy send me a word document when you apply on a linux position? |
| 21:14.04 | _Psycho | what qtopia i should compile with 2.3.2 ? 1.6.2 ? |
| 21:14.53 | ljp | for sharp? |
| 21:14.58 | _Psycho | yes |
| 21:15.09 | _Psycho | well i only need qtopia to compile libsdl |
| 21:15.10 | ljp | sharp uses a modified 1.5.4 |
| 21:15.13 | _Psycho | so i dont mind |
| 21:15.15 | _Psycho | oh |
| 21:15.22 | _Psycho | hmmm downloadable from they web site é |
| 21:15.25 | _Psycho | good info thanbks |
| 21:15.28 | _Psycho | é = ? |
| 21:15.55 | ljp | if you are creating that specifically for sharp rom, then I suggest using the qtopia sdk from sharp |
| 21:16.31 | _Psycho | ok |
| 21:16.51 | _Psycho | i check for that |
| 21:17.00 | _Psycho | wwll 1.6.2 look to compile fine thought :) |
| 21:18.01 | _Psycho | brb |
| 21:18.06 | Twiun | chouimat: word is unfortunately the standard agency format |
| 21:18.26 | chouimat | Twiun: :( |
| 21:18.48 | Twiun | chouimat: I've only seen one place that uses RTF and that was IBM |
| 21:19.46 | chouimat | hmmm I like this question:L Have you made your own widgets? if so can you explain how you did one? |
| 21:21.02 | Twiun | rofl |
| 21:21.13 | mickeyl | use a drawing area and teach it how to look like the widget you want to create. |
| 21:22.00 | Twiun | and hopefully employ a designer to make them have a standard look |
| 21:22.05 | chouimat | mickeyl: I wonder if : by using designer to create the squeleton and adding flesh to it " is a valid answer |
| 21:22.42 | mickeyl | valid sure |
| 21:22.47 | mickeyl | however... helpful? ;) |
| 21:23.18 | mickeyl | chouimat: tell him to understand the qt cannon example. the whole cannon game can be seen as a widget. |
| 21:23.29 | chouimat | mickeyl: lol |
| 21:24.50 | Twiun | bit heavy for a widget ;) |
| 21:25.06 | mickeyl | possibly ;) |
| 21:25.13 | chouimat | mickeyl: I usually inherit my widget from the widget with the closest set of features I need, if it's not the case I write it from scratch |
| 21:28.55 | chouimat | hmmm me thinks there is a lot of syntax error in this page ... |
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| 21:33.57 | TheMasterMind1 | sup kergoth |
| 21:34.00 | TheMasterMind1 | today's alias rocks |
| 21:34.18 | Twiun | hey chris |
| 21:34.56 | pb_ | Twiun: you'd think in this day and age that people could use PDF or HTML for CVs. |
| 21:35.22 | Twiun | pb_: Nah, office drones aren't being paid/trained for this |
| 21:35.28 | Twiun | pb_: most are still using win95 |
| 21:35.36 | Twiun | with ms works |
| 21:35.39 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 21:35.49 | TheMasterMind1 | CVs? |
| 21:36.00 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: you'd call them resumes, I suppose. |
| 21:36.09 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 21:36.39 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: short for Curriculum Vitae |
| 21:37.23 | treke|home | oh well. good nes is I can get my car back today |
| 21:37.33 | pb_ | it got impounded? |
| 21:37.56 | treke|home | nope. B0rked |
| 21:38.16 | pb_ | oh dear. what happened? |
| 21:39.25 | treke|home | idler started coming apart and it didnt agree with the fan. :) |
| 21:39.32 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:39.52 | treke|home | always great when you notice these things on a sunday |
| 21:40.16 | W8TVI | my jimmy's dipstick tube desided it needed a hole in it |
| 21:42.22 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: wait at 10pm EST before talking about alias |
| 21:42.40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:43.24 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: I want to see it ... and do we see JG naked in this one? |
| 21:43.43 | TheMasterMind1 | she's in underwear |
| 21:44.06 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: thanks |
| 21:44.16 | treke|home | jim gettys naked? |
| 21:44.23 | treke|home | that isn't going to get me to watch |
| 21:44.24 | chouimat | s/?/! |
| 21:46.43 | ljp | treke: do anymore looking into that fbmem patch? |
| 21:47.25 | treke|home | not yet |
| 21:47.41 | ljp | pb_: was that fbmem patch very extensive? or just a few lines? |
| 21:47.49 | pb_ | just a few lines |
| 21:48.00 | ljp | how do you enable it in the kernel? |
| 21:48.19 | pb_ | doesn't need any special enabling, it's permanently in effect once you apply the patch. |
| 21:48.27 | ljp | ahh. ok |
| 21:48.35 | Twiun | what does it do? |
| 21:48.49 | ljp | buffered framebuffer |
| 21:49.06 | pb_ | it's Nick Bao's patch to enable buffered accesses to framebuffer memory. |
| 21:49.40 | pb_ | improves speed of writes to the screen on pxa25x. |
| 21:49.45 | ljp | I found two files, and had about two lines in it. |
| 21:50.01 | Twiun | ahhh |
| 21:50.27 | pb_ | yeah. the important change is the one in fbmem.c; there's also a new #define in pgtable.h or somewhere that you need as well. |
| 21:51.45 | ljp | hmm, ok. |
| 21:52.24 | pb_ | most of the rest of the stuff there is to speed up the text console, which you probably don't care about much |
| 21:52.51 | Twiun | irssi all the way! |
| 21:52.57 | pb_ | hah |
| 21:53.17 | W8TVI | hey TimRiker |
| 21:53.22 | W8TVI | you know what would be cool? |
| 21:53.38 | mickeyl | ljp: don't hope too much... to me it seems rather uneffective. |
| 21:53.46 | ljp | looks like that isnt in rmk7 patch |
| 21:53.59 | W8TVI | a zaurus with a clear case like the TI-83 Plus Silver |
| 21:54.03 | ljp | intel did testing with buffered framebuffer |
| 21:54.34 | ljp | and some optimizations that are similiar to whats in qte now |
| 21:54.50 | mickeyl | ljp: well... try on your own... it's in buildroot since weeks |
| 21:55.28 | ljp | you sure? where? |
| 21:55.37 | mickeyl | sure I'm sure. i added it |
| 21:55.40 | treke|home | It's in there, but not being applied |
| 21:55.49 | mickeyl | http://openzaurus.bkbits.net:8080/buildroot/cset@1.1331.1.1?nav=index.html|ChangeSet@-8w |
| 21:56.11 | ljp | in packages/c700? |
| 21:56.22 | ljp | err kernel- |
| 21:56.22 | mickeyl | no. |
| 21:56.26 | mickeyl | kernel-shepherd |
| 21:56.40 | treke|home | pb_: the only good news is I'm due back 500 or 600 bucks in reimbursements from work |
| 21:56.46 | ljp | ahh |
| 21:57.07 | pb_ | treke|home: that does sound like good news. |
| 21:57.21 | treke|home | bad news is it takes them forever to pay |
| 21:57.33 | pb_ | mm, I think the taxman owes me some cash as well. I should fill in my tax return. |
| 21:58.27 | treke|home | I probably owe them this year |
| 22:00.00 | ljp | mickeyl: there's another part of that patch to pgtable.h |
| 22:00.28 | mickeyl | ljp: is it? interesting. maybe that's why it hasn't any effect at the moment. please add it |
| 22:00.40 | ljp | k |
| 22:02.07 | pb_ | it wouldn't have compiled if you had the fbmem.c change without pgtable.h |
| 22:02.39 | mickeyl | well... that fbmem i have in buildroot compiles. maybe i got it wrong. |
| 22:03.02 | mickeyl | or the pgtable.h part has already been applied to embedix-2.4.18 |
| 22:03.21 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.24 | mickeyl | sure |
| 22:03.35 | mickeyl | see kernel-shepherd/Makefile |
| 22:05.52 | treke|home | mickeyl: erm, it wasnt in mine |
| 22:05.55 | treke|home | somehow it is now |
| 22:06.10 | mickeyl | well... i added that stuff four weeks ago |
| 22:06.52 | mickeyl | but as i've written in the changelog, it didn't have any observable effect (for me9 |
| 22:27.44 | Twiun | g'night |
| 22:28.07 | mickeyl | n8 Twiun |
| 22:28.15 | mickeyl | g'night |
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| 22:36.44 | treke|home | cool. car is back |
| 22:37.20 | treke|home | "Ford" the second most feared label on an automobile |
| 22:37.40 | [BoBuk] | sorry for idiots question: i try to burn OZ to my c700. get a files, drop it to CF, select menu and start CF updater. it's _stop_ on 'Rebooting the system' message. any ideas? |
| 22:38.23 | treke|home | the first being "Lucas Electric" |
| 22:41.26 | CIA | repository=03buildroot user=11lpotter@polarbear.trolltech.com.au |
| 22:41.26 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.1368 added pgtable.h patch |
| 22:43.52 | W8TVI | http://www.thinkgeek.com/apparel/hats/6345/?cpg=8 |
| 22:44.02 | W8TVI | The ThinkGeek White or Black Hacker Hats |
| 23:28.13 | _Psycho | ljp you around ? |
| 23:31.32 | ljp | yup |
| 23:31.48 | _Psycho | probably somthing stupid i do, compiling 1.6.2 |
| 23:31.55 | _Psycho | everything was working "fine" then i got a |
| 23:32.15 | _Psycho | ld: cannot find -lqpepim |
| 23:32.20 | _Psycho | i got one earlier a -lqpe |
| 23:32.24 | _Psycho | what im missing ? |
| 23:32.41 | ljp | was libqpepim created? |
| 23:33.10 | _Psycho | well i just did a ./configure ... with options then a make |
| 23:33.41 | _Psycho | ah ok yeah while doing libqpepim i got a cannot find -lqpe |
| 23:34.09 | _Psycho | -lqte is the first error hmmm |
| 23:34.41 | _Psycho | ok you almost show me my error :) |
| 23:34.49 | _Psycho | guess he doesnt find my qte compile or something |
| 23:35.47 | ljp | $QTDIR |
| 23:35.52 | _Psycho | its set |
| 23:36.00 | _Psycho | could it be 2.3.2 too old for 1.6.2 ? |
| 23:36.16 | ljp | could be, ya |
| 23:36.33 | _Psycho | i even see it in the path qt-2.3.2/lib... |
| 23:36.35 | ljp | what are you compiling for? a sharp rom? or oz? |
| 23:36.35 | _Psycho | hmm |
| 23:36.39 | _Psycho | sharp rom |
| 23:36.46 | _Psycho | cant find anything older than 1.6.2 ;) |
| 23:37.29 | ljp | heh your correct |
| 23:38.07 | _Psycho | actually it might be my qte compile that was wrong im trying to check that, (never gave my any error thought :) |
| 23:38.47 | _Psycho | oh yeah i just saw the damn thing -lpng not found but i got the standard compile ok message |
| 23:38.52 | _Psycho | bleh missed it for sure |
| 23:39.14 | ljp | sharp roms use 1.5.4 |
| 23:39.23 | _Psycho | yes i know |
| 23:39.28 | _Psycho | even my c700 use that |
| 23:39.31 | ljp | I'll see if I can get the old versions back in ftp |
| 23:39.52 | _Psycho | hey does taht mean i have to cross-compile libpng and libjpeg if i want to build qte |
| 23:39.53 | treke|home | you can check it out of sourceforge or opie cvs |
| 23:39.56 | _Psycho | im version look fine |
| 23:40.22 | treke|home | _Psycho: you need libpng and libjpeg for arm |
| 23:40.23 | _Psycho | i thought qte had them included hmm |
| 23:40.29 | _Psycho | yeah ok damn |
| 23:40.30 | treke|home | no it doesnt |
| 23:40.44 | _Psycho | i saw stuff udnjer 3rdparty wrong impressiont hen |
| 23:40.50 | _Psycho | ok i do that its my mistake ! :) thanks help |
| 23:41.08 | treke|home | as for qtopia, just pull old opie source |
| 23:41.26 | _Psycho | well its qte the prob not qtopia i dont htink :) |
| 23:41.36 | ljp | for sharp roms, it is recommended to stick with the qtopia sdk from sharp |
| 23:41.47 | _Psycho | its to build libsdl |
| 23:41.51 | treke|home | apparently he doesnt have it :) |
| 23:41.55 | _Psycho | it want qtopia ;) |
| 23:42.20 | treke|home | an since the 2 year old opie is basically a qpe checkout, there's no reason it shouldnt work :p |
| 23:43.16 | _Psycho | almost annoying to compile a simple thing i have to compile like 15 others things ;) |