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| 11:45.18 | BBMatthew | just pushed a gcc3.3 build of OZ for the poodle. It is a lot faster but I have cheated in the package naming to solve some irritating issues with ipk |
| 11:45.58 | Twiun | another ipk issue? |
| 11:46.59 | BBMatthew | not past the fact that I can't be bothered to sort out a config for a new arch, ie armv5te-xscale |
| 11:47.31 | BBMatthew | so I broke all rules of good programming and stuff is named armv4l-xscale I think |
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| 13:45.15 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:47.21 | fishhead | http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,60791,00.html |
| 13:47.24 | fishhead | hey chouimat |
| 13:47.45 | fishhead | chou they took me to the emergency room sat and I have to get a colon scope |
| 13:47.52 | fishhead | so your wish of me dropping dead might come true |
| 13:47.54 | fishhead | :P |
| 13:48.05 | fishhead | anyways got to go, enjoy the article |
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| 14:09.21 | chouimat | hi prpplague sieve|work |
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| 14:31.44 | icefox | fishhead: Strauss warned that writing software for the chip's complex architecture might be a stumbling block, but the company has assured him that its compiler makes it easy to program. |
| 14:31.49 | icefox | cough |
| 14:36.25 | Neo|Work | what process is that? |
| 14:36.29 | Neo|Work | uh |
| 14:36.33 | Neo|Work | chip I mean |
| 14:36.39 | Neo|Work | or processor, either or. :) |
| 14:37.08 | Neo|Work | ah, the link above |
| 14:39.04 | Neo|Work | sounds like an excellent add-on to 3D gaming. :) |
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| 15:27.18 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 15:27.26 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:28.24 | Twiun | hi choui, kerg |
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| 15:42.37 | treke | :p |
| 15:45.34 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup cvs.sourceforge.net |
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| 15:54.03 | Neo|Work | treke: snails are dead! |
| 15:54.11 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 15:54.22 | Neo|Work | I suppose I should get it done |
| 15:54.47 | treke | hehe, and get kergoth to lend you a 750 so it will work there :p |
| 15:58.30 | kergoth | hey i only have one, neo's dept has the rest :) |
| 16:03.42 | _Psycho_ | vacation, best thing ever created |
| 16:05.25 | kergoth | k, added strace and tmdns (multicast dns daemon) |
| 16:05.39 | kergoth | fixed the glibc/kernheaders asm-arm/unistd.h waitpid bug in the build |
| 16:09.32 | kergoth | (thanks again on that phil) |
| 16:10.57 | kergoth | heh, whtad he do? |
| 16:11.36 | Twiun | he's being stubborn about version numbers in ipk Depends fields |
| 16:12.12 | Twiun | I tell him not to use version numbers unless the version is really essential to the working of the app |
| 16:12.30 | kergoth | oh, yeah |
| 16:12.49 | kergoth | add version dependency when the versioned dep is _known_, not when the abi of something _might_ change |
| 16:12.52 | Twiun | he's blabbing about qt4 now ;) |
| 16:13.04 | kergoth | i'm certain debian's policy manual has something to say on the subject |
| 16:16.58 | treke | where is he blabbing about this? |
| 16:17.13 | Twiun | #opie |
| 16:17.15 | treke | ah |
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| 17:02.49 | kergoth | gah |
| 17:02.54 | kergoth | stupid code making stupid assumptions |
| 17:03.01 | kergoth | CHAR IS NOT GUARANTEED TO BE SIGNED! |
| 17:03.09 | treke | hehe |
| 17:03.17 | kergoth | fucking thing looped on getopt right |
| 17:03.21 | kergoth | getopt returns -1 when its done |
| 17:03.25 | kergoth | it was putting it into a char |
| 17:03.26 | kergoth | which was unsigned |
| 17:03.30 | kergoth | which is 255 |
| 17:03.32 | treke | apparently the program I'm porting to opie makes that assumption :p |
| 17:03.35 | kergoth | so just dumepd usage info every damn time |
| 17:03.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:03.44 | gb2 | I run into more problems where people assume char is unsigned |
| 17:03.54 | kergoth | yeah, its not often i hit someone assuming the other |
| 17:04.02 | kergoth | stupid thingi s, these apps use autoconf |
| 17:04.09 | kergoth | so why not use the damn existing test for character signedness? |
| 17:04.22 | kergoth | or, better yet, when a function returns an int, put it into a damn int |
| 17:04.24 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:04.30 | gb2 | or explictly sign/unsign your chars |
| 17:04.51 | gb2 | i've gotten into the habit of doing "unsigned char" everywhere |
| 17:05.03 | kergoth | yeah, same here |
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| 17:49.55 | kergoth | note to self: when / is mounted nfs over eth0, dont use zcip on eth0 and take your ip away |
| 17:49.59 | kergoth | heh |
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| 18:03.24 | kergoth | yay for cscope |
| 18:03.26 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 18:06.48 | Twiun | hey Kergoth |
| 18:11.57 | kergoth | guess this is a good time to get update-modules in |
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| 18:12.04 | kergoth | and switch pppd to resolvconf |
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| 18:17.57 | kergoth | treke: <pester>rt?</pester> |
| 18:18.46 | fishhead | hey canuck |
| 18:19.03 | kergoth | hey |
| 18:19.13 | fishhead | how are you |
| 18:19.24 | fishhead | I nearly bought the farm over the weekend |
| 18:19.29 | kergoth | half conscious, busy with work |
| 18:19.30 | fishhead | I have to get a colon scope, ick |
| 18:19.32 | kergoth | ack |
| 18:19.48 | fishhead | my legs are killing me from pacing like a mofo |
| 18:19.58 | fishhead | because I was so nauseous and felt cold then hot |
| 18:20.02 | fishhead | I couldn't sit, sleep etc |
| 18:20.07 | fishhead | blocked bowels suck ass |
| 18:20.20 | fishhead | getting better though' |
| 18:20.30 | fishhead | so do any avr work lately ? |
| 18:21.04 | kergoth | nah havent had a chance. been busy with build issues, kernel drivers at work, and doing non-computer things on my time |
| 18:21.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:21.20 | fishhead | heh |
| 18:21.25 | fishhead | well that's cool |
| 18:21.36 | fishhead | I was just reading a neat microcontroller article thouh |
| 18:21.43 | fishhead | how demand in cars is growing fast |
| 18:21.45 | fishhead | :P |
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| 18:21.51 | kergoth | heh, url? |
| 18:22.03 | kergoth | i find the articles/newsletters on ee times and embedded.com to be good stuff |
| 18:22.08 | fishhead | yeah |
| 18:22.13 | fishhead | probably where it was from |
| 18:22.24 | fishhead | I keep it on my palm so it's been a while since I saw the real url |
| 18:22.27 | fishhead | lemme check |
| 18:22.30 | fishhead | in the meantime |
| 18:22.32 | fishhead | http://www.via.com.tw/en/Digital%20Library/PR031014EdenN.jsp |
| 18:22.41 | fishhead | new one with aes accelerator |
| 18:22.51 | kergoth | blah, links really really needs to support gpm pasting |
| 18:23.00 | fishhead | and this |
| 18:23.03 | fishhead | http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,60791,00.html |
| 18:23.18 | kergoth | heh, i'll save the urls and check em when i'm actually in x |
| 18:23.19 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:24.42 | fishhead | heh |
| 18:24.55 | fishhead | well the site it was from is planet analog |
| 18:25.01 | fishhead | but their search engine is wacked right now |
| 18:25.47 | fishhead | this is one |
| 18:25.50 | fishhead | http://www.eetimes.com/pw/fo/OEG20030730S0017 |
| 18:26.20 | kergoth | i've loved eetimes and embedded.com's stuff ever since i found that old article on touchscreen calibration |
| 18:26.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:26.25 | fishhead | yeah |
| 18:26.26 | kergoth | brb |
| 18:26.32 | fishhead | www.planetanalog.com is the same family |
| 18:28.04 | fishhead | here |
| 18:28.07 | fishhead | http://www.planetanalog.com/products/custom/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=13100184 |
| 18:28.11 | fishhead | that's it |
| 18:28.13 | fishhead | bl |
| 18:28.14 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.25 | kergoth | cool |
| 18:37.39 | fishhead | yes very |
| 18:39.22 | fishhead | I mean even the micro's that don't have a lot of processing power |
| 18:39.30 | fishhead | I mean really low performance 8 or 4 |
| 18:39.31 | fishhead | bit |
| 18:39.56 | fishhead | are still amazing because they prevent a 1 ghz cpu from wasting most of it's time processing i/o from a keyboard etc |
| 18:41.02 | fishhead | it's cool though the tire pressure stuff they are doing with micro;s |
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| 19:27.41 | W8TVI | wish I could get this thing to sync... |
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| 19:36.12 | fishhead | w8 I am sure you will figure it out |
| 19:36.25 | fishhead | if I can rebound from a painful blocked bowel for the last few days |
| 19:36.32 | fishhead | you can figure out your syn problems |
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| 20:01.17 | kergoth | whee |
| 20:01.28 | kergoth | changed the seperator for .oe -> PN/PV/PR |
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| 20:07.28 | kergoth | 139 new revisions |
| 20:07.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:07.32 | kergoth | all renames |
| 20:08.29 | pb_ | heh |
| 20:09.26 | fishhead | kergoth the latest via eden-n looks good |
| 20:09.39 | fishhead | 12.5 gigabits/second aes encryption |
| 20:09.46 | fishhead | thanks for a onboard accelerator |
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| 20:20.30 | fishhead | http://news.com.com/2100-1015_3-5089953.html?tag=nefd_pop |
| 20:33.03 | kergoth | okay, PN/PV/PR setting is cleaned up, now to fixup the FILESDIR/FILESPATH mess |
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| 20:41.07 | fishhead | bbl |
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| 20:47.24 | kergoth | hmmm. |
| 20:48.25 | prpplague | kergoth: bb init not to your liking? |
| 20:48.45 | kergoth | prpplague: not for embedded, for general use. need(8) based like gentoo's and simpleinit's |
| 20:48.55 | kergoth | rather than sysvinit like |
| 20:49.01 | prpplague | kergoth: ah |
| 20:49.38 | kergoth | prpplague: was talking to raster about it, he had some interesting ideas, but no time to implement |
| 20:49.58 | kergoth | prpplague: i.e. using parsed service files rather than shell to improve speed |
| 20:55.02 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whats new |
| 20:57.21 | treke | what don't gentoo and simpleinit do that you want it to do? |
| 20:57.53 | kergoth | simpleinit has some quirks regarding handling of what we would normally consider runlevels |
| 20:58.03 | kergoth | which is, incidentally, why it never really got into debian |
| 20:58.14 | kergoth | and gentoo's is a big ass pile of interpreted scripts on top of sysvinit |
| 20:58.19 | treke | ick |
| 20:58.22 | kergoth | which is a hack for a limitation of the system, not a clean solution |
| 20:59.06 | treke | kergoth: that seems to describe gentoo in general |
| 20:59.37 | treke | most of the tools seem to be hacks |
| 20:59.47 | kergoth | yeah, quite true |
| 20:59.56 | kergoth | portage is spiffy, but unclean and shell based |
| 21:00.37 | treke | thought it was python |
| 21:00.42 | kergoth | the tools are |
| 21:00.47 | kergoth | .ebuilds are shell scripts man |
| 21:00.50 | kergoth | hence the shell-like syntax |
| 21:00.54 | treke | oh? |
| 21:00.57 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:01.02 | kergoth | *cough*hack*cough* |
| 21:01.04 | treke | I thought they were something like oe's |
| 21:01.12 | kergoth | same format, but theirs is shell calling it directly |
| 21:01.18 | kergoth | ours is parsed and handled in the tools directly |
| 21:01.18 | treke | icky |
| 21:01.22 | kergoth | very |
| 21:03.47 | fishhead | thou shall not diss gentoo |
| 21:04.26 | kergoth | er, when did the gadget stack get a file/storage driver? |
| 21:04.39 | treke | that sounds cool |
| 21:04.51 | treke | does it present the device directly as a filesystem> |
| 21:04.52 | treke | ? |
| 21:05.05 | kergoth | fishhead: heh, I build distros for fun, I have a fairly solid perspective on what is good and what isnt in a given distribution. they all have issues, even ours |
| 21:05.25 | kergoth | treke: yeah, apparently it shows up via usb-storage |
| 21:05.32 | treke | that's cool |
| 21:06.26 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:06.29 | kergoth | brb |
| 21:07.28 | kergoth | gb2: fyi, changed the .oe pn/pv/pr seperator from - to _, update your repositories appropriately |
| 21:07.31 | treke | since the filesystem could change after the desktop checks for updates. |
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| 21:24.22 | gb2 | kergoth: hrm. ok. |
| 21:24.54 | gb2 | kergoth: what was the reasoning for that change? |
| 21:25.04 | ljp | I found out that a p4 2.6 gHz box compiles the kernel much faster than an AMD500 |
| 21:26.07 | kergoth | gb2: version can now contain - without breaking vars_from_fn |
| 21:26.18 | kergoth | gb2: that function is now like 5 lines, greatly simplified |
| 21:26.43 | kergoth | really reduces ambiguity, given PN and PV can both contain - |
| 21:26.44 | kergoth | heh |
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| 21:29.26 | pb_ | ljp: sounds like Intel must be doing something right then |
| 21:30.00 | kergoth | bills suck |
| 21:30.04 | kergoth | s/wimper/whimper/ |
| 21:30.26 | pb_ | time to ask ti for a raise! |
| 21:30.52 | kergoth | hehe. as the new guy, i'm sure thatd go over real well |
| 21:31.01 | pb_ | heh, yeah, good point |
| 21:31.24 | pb_ | best try to tough it out for a bit longer |
| 21:31.51 | ljp | you must impress them with your code |
| 21:32.03 | ljp | I get a raise after my 1st 6 months |
| 21:32.06 | kergoth | well, i'll be sitting better once i pay off my stepdad's mom |
| 21:32.14 | kergoth | she lent me like 4 grand to keep my house from being forclosed |
| 21:32.24 | kergoth | so paying her like $750 a month to get that blown away asap |
| 21:32.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:32.30 | ljp | ahhh.. ya.. I am in heaps of debt |
| 21:32.49 | kergoth | yeh, same |
| 21:32.52 | kergoth | credit cards suck |
| 21:32.55 | Twiun | sounds like we all are ;) |
| 21:34.20 | ljp | credit cards and lawyers |
| 21:34.24 | ljp | both suck |
| 21:40.18 | prpplague | ljp: and soon-to-be-ex-wives( and they don't suck in a good way) |
| 21:40.37 | treke | well they might, just not for you |
| 21:41.00 | prpplague | treke: good point |
| 21:41.24 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:44.30 | kergoth | err, when did bash in oe's packages repos break again |
| 21:45.22 | kergoth | ah, looks like the autotools execution is failing due to them not using acinclude.m4 |
| 21:45.25 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 21:45.37 | ljp | never had a soon-to-be-ex-wife. never had a soon-to-be-wife, either |
| 21:46.30 | kergoth | err, i couldve sworn i already fixed some of this compilation failures |
| 21:46.31 | kergoth | odd |
| 21:46.38 | kergoth | wonder if i lost some changes in my last wipe of the repos |
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| 22:29.33 | fishhead | canuck |
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| 22:45.44 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. |
| 22:46.56 | pb_ | polishing up his rodeo skills |
| 22:47.04 | ToyKeeper | Heh. :) |
| 22:48.16 | treke | kergoth: better yet, when people have problems with familiar, tell them to use the familiar mailing lists |
| 22:48.46 | treke | in his case, you can't do what he wants to do with the 3970 :p |
| 22:48.54 | kergoth | heh, didnt actually read his email |
| 22:49.47 | ToyKeeper | I take it TI is making some sort of linux pda? |
| 22:50.40 | kergoth | cant say what i'm working on due to NDA |
| 22:50.48 | ToyKeeper | Okay. |
| 22:50.48 | sheenmaster | ToyKeeper: kergoth won't violate his NDA. From rumors heard elsewhere, I think TI is looking at, if not planning to produce, a Linux calculator. |
| 22:50.56 | ToyKeeper | Neat. |
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| 22:51.08 | ToyKeeper | I'm not under NDA though. :) |
| 22:52.20 | ToyKeeper | I just heard something about a qtopia linux device with wireless security needs for classroom applications. |
| 22:52.45 | ToyKeeper | Rumors and such. Didn't realize you can't talk about it though. |
| 22:59.53 | ljp | dont believe all the rumors you hear |
| 23:00.15 | sheenmaster | Is the next OZ still busybox based? |
| 23:00.30 | ljp | yes. it will always use busybox |
| 23:00.36 | W8TVI | no, idlebox |
| 23:00.43 | W8TVI | :P |
| 23:00.50 | ljp | bastards |
| 23:01.28 | sheenmaster | argh |
| 23:01.34 | treke | busybox is a good thing |
| 23:02.02 | sheenmaster | until files beginning with hyphens come into the picture. |
| 23:02.15 | treke | so fix busybox |
| 23:02.38 | treke | not using busybox means not working on the 5500 :) |
| 23:02.52 | pb_ | eh? what's the problem with files beginning with hyphens? |
| 23:03.18 | treke | pb_: not sure. -- works here with it |
| 23:03.42 | pb_ | right. that's always worked for me, too. |
| 23:03.44 | ljp | I prefer a real bash, though |
| 23:03.55 | ljp | and a freal fdisk |
| 23:04.01 | ljp | err real |
| 23:04.02 | sheenmaster | I'll fix it when I get a chance. |
| 23:04.08 | sheenmaster | Until then, I'll just bitch about it. |
| 23:04.09 | treke | What is wrong with it? |
| 23:05.48 | sheenmaster | treke: rm -wellenreighter_file_that_begins_with_a_hyphen |
| 23:05.49 | sheenmaster | the beginning hyphen keeps it from working |
| 23:06.12 | ToyKeeper | rm -- -hyphen-file |
| 23:06.23 | pb_ | sheenmaster: that won't work with gnu rm either. get over it. |
| 23:06.48 | treke | what pb said. That's expected behavior |
| 23:06.50 | ljp | use windows explorer to remove that file |
| 23:07.09 | ToyKeeper | Most standard unix commands support "--" to indicate "the rest of the parameters are files". |
| 23:07.19 | pb_ | yep, and busybox is no exception to that. |
| 23:07.22 | treke | yup. |
| 23:07.29 | sheenmaster | damn, it doesn't |
| 23:09.04 | sheenmaster | I never noticed that before. |
| 23:14.00 | sheenmaster | ljp: how many? what type? |
| 23:14.00 | sheenmaster | I have nearly 200 of them. |
| 23:14.29 | ljp | I would prefer scsi 160, once I get a scsi 160 card |
| 23:14.47 | ljp | working ones are best |
| 23:15.12 | ljp | large, working scsi 160 |
| 23:18.03 | sheenmaster | everything I have is older |
| 23:18.07 | ljp | I need a better power supply though |
| 23:19.24 | ljp | heh, actually it doesnt matter what type. I just have one scsi 160 that uses an adapter for my scsi2 card |
| 23:19.55 | sheenmaster | I have a bunch of 5gB drives from sparcstations |
| 23:20.07 | sheenmaster | or 4gB, can't remember which |
| 23:36.37 | fishhead | hehehe |
| 23:36.42 | fishhead | hey canuckmaster |
| 23:36.46 | fishhead | what are you trying to do |
| 23:37.05 | fishhead | what model sparcstations were they btw |
| 23:38.49 | sheenmaster | SS5 mostly |
| 23:38.57 | sheenmaster | 128mb/ram, 5gb/hd |
| 23:47.55 | ljp | anyone know what libfl is? |
| 23:48.08 | fishhead | and you trashes ss5;s ? |
| 23:48.10 | fishhead | die |
| 23:56.00 | chouimat | night |