| 00:08.43 | treke_ | man. time flies when you're building glibc |
| 00:15.25 | kergoth | bleh |
| 00:15.31 | kergoth | we're up to like 7 patches against libtool |
| 00:15.48 | treke_ | hmmm |
| 00:16.08 | kergoth | pcre still fails in the install step though |
| 00:16.19 | kergoth | -rpath /usr/lib results in /usr/lib ending up in libdir path |
| 00:16.26 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:19.15 | gb2 | grrr.. |
| 00:19.29 | gb2 | do i want a Thinkpad T40p .. or a HDTV Video Projector |
| 00:19.44 | treke_ | both |
| 00:20.11 | gb2 | *sigh* they give me way too much credit |
| 00:20.25 | treke_ | credit is evil |
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| 00:25.52 | BBMatthew | mastercard are out to get me to spend spend spend |
| 00:27.09 | kergoth | i havent bought anything on a card in like 3 years |
| 00:27.15 | kergoth | and all my cards are still near maxed |
| 00:27.17 | kergoth | :\ |
| 00:27.56 | gb2 | :| |
| 00:28.04 | gb2 | they just upped my limit |
| 00:45.55 | BBMatthew | did you just see the comment dropped onto the users list? I have I hoped made a suitable replt |
| 00:45.58 | BBMatthew | reply |
| 00:47.19 | ljp | what comment was that |
| 00:48.13 | BBMatthew | the build your own cross compiler toolchain with crosstool |
| 00:49.31 | BBMatthew | my reply suggested you should really know what you are doing, but if you do go right ahead. |
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| 01:54.23 | BBMatthew | does buildroot do anything clever to make the control file for an ipk? |
| 01:56.20 | BBMatthew | err, its staring me in the face, its the top of the Makefile isn't it? |
| 02:01.31 | kergoth | yep. |
| 02:01.36 | kergoth | read Rules.make if you're that interested |
| 02:05.04 | BBMatthew | when is an ipk not an ipk? I have created ipks that are in the feed and the Packages file and yet they are apparently invisible to ipkg |
| 02:05.11 | BBMatthew | must be amlformed, |
| 02:07.01 | kergoth | build them with ipkg-build. |
| 02:07.13 | kergoth | ipkg-build checks hte control file for sanity. |
| 02:07.18 | kergoth | its what buildroot calls out |
| 02:09.09 | BBMatthew | cool no this is built with buildroot. prboom, but even with the file in the same dir on the zaurus is seems not to see it |
| 02:09.20 | BBMatthew | ipkg file not found run update |
| 02:14.47 | BBMatthew | much wierdness |
| 02:16.06 | BBMatthew | I am stumped |
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| 02:17.58 | ljp | choui |
| 02:18.04 | chouimat | hi ljp ... |
| 02:18.16 | BBMatthew | am comparing it to an ipk that works and I am damned if I can see any difference |
| 02:19.18 | chouimat | ljp anything new? |
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| 02:20.15 | BBMatthew | IDIOT |
| 02:20.21 | BBMatthew | ibot lart BBMatthew |
| 02:24.49 | emme | dpkg-gencontrol: error: source paragraph in control info file is missing Source line |
| 02:24.49 | emme | dh_gencontrol: command returned error code 6400 |
| 02:25.02 | emme | sorry, wrong channel |
| 02:32.58 | absentia | kergoth: I'd give you a command... but you'd ignore me forever. :-) |
| 02:38.24 | chouimat | night |
| 02:39.35 | BBMatthew | hmm ipkg wont install the armv5te-xscale packages. |
| 02:39.49 | BBMatthew | bets on it having a compiled arch list somewhere |
| 02:45.09 | ljp | hmm. new.. hmmm.. if I told you, I'd have to hurt you |
| 02:45.34 | ljp | actually, warwicks wife just had a baby last night |
| 02:45.35 | BBMatthew | ? oh got aqpkg working ok |
| 02:45.59 | BBMatthew | ljp, any thoughs on why opie stays quiet on the SL5600? |
| 02:46.04 | BBMatthew | no sounds at all |
| 02:46.38 | ljp | ahh, hmm |
| 02:46.53 | ljp | bad sound modules? |
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| 02:49.53 | BBMatthew | at the risk of sounding dumb, bad sound modules? oh can create nasty noises by catting urandom to dsp in /dev |
| 02:55.07 | ljp | ah |
| 02:55.10 | ljp | hmm |
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| 03:01.35 | BBMatthew | ljp any thoughts? |
| 03:02.05 | ljp | what kernel? |
| 03:03.16 | BBMatthew | 2.4.18 |
| 03:08.51 | BBMatthew | wierd, someone has foobar'ed some kinds of modules |
| 03:09.28 | BBMatthew | affix for instance despite being passed --build --host args fails on tests it shouldn't be doing as its a cross compile |
| 03:13.45 | BBMatthew | its a pain to go into the configure script and edit out the exits |
| 03:15.17 | kergoth | thats the usual. |
| 03:15.26 | kergoth | nearly every ./configure based app fails in that way |
| 03:16.06 | BBMatthew | rats - I suppose no way to fool it reliably? |
| 03:17.35 | ljp | write a script to convert an auto* project into a qmake thing |
| 03:17.49 | BBMatthew | I am so surprised anything works my buildroot was made without -msoft-float |
| 03:17.54 | BBMatthew | oops |
| 03:18.23 | BBMatthew | nah I would prefer a perl scribble that would eat the appropriate configure constructs exit statement |
| 03:18.36 | kergoth | BBMatthew: buildroot already fools it reliably |
| 03:18.37 | kergoth | no. |
| 03:18.40 | BBMatthew | nastier but should be effective, just call from packages |
| 03:18.44 | kergoth | touching configure directly is bad policy |
| 03:18.53 | kergoth | just put $(installcache) above the ./configure line |
| 03:19.05 | kergoth | and add --config-cache to the configure run |
| 03:19.36 | BBMatthew | in the package/<fwibble>/Makefile stamp-binary section? |
| 03:19.53 | kergoth | yes |
| 03:20.35 | BBMatthew | done |
| 03:20.43 | BBMatthew | much better than my soln |
| 03:21.18 | kergoth | OE's even cleaner than that |
| 03:21.20 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:22.31 | BBMatthew | of course it will fail over the whole soft-float issue, no wonder none of the sound systems worked |
| 03:27.40 | BBMatthew | was just looking at activating the thumb extension but having looked at gcc support am not sure, any advice? |
| 03:28.02 | kergoth | what do you need thumb for? |
| 03:28.22 | BBMatthew | it just offers a 30% size reduction in one case |
| 03:28.52 | BBMatthew | if it worked fine I would be silly not to use it, but it doesn't look that way at all |
| 03:28.58 | kergoth | yes, that makes perfect sense. did you consider the consequences? |
| 03:29.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:29.08 | kergoth | brb |
| 03:29.17 | BBMatthew | apparently no glibc support |
| 03:32.11 | ljp | buildroot keeps trying to compile with gcc3 even though I switched to gcc2 |
| 03:33.53 | ljp | buildroot is a bastard sometimes |
| 03:34.47 | BBMatthew | do I need to fit -msoft-float into the compile of glibc as well or is it done differently? |
| 03:35.28 | kergoth | what are you trying to do? |
| 03:35.37 | BBMatthew | build it with gcc3 |
| 03:35.47 | kergoth | build what with gcc3? |
| 03:36.07 | BBMatthew | glibc-2.3.2# |
| 03:36.13 | kergoth | builds just fine here. |
| 03:36.35 | BBMatthew | fair enough |
| 03:36.44 | kergoth | what chain are you using? |
| 03:38.31 | BBMatthew | official 3.3.1 |
| 03:39.33 | kergoth | odd |
| 03:40.52 | ljp | buildroot needs to be sacked.... oh ya, thats what your doing |
| 03:44.08 | BBMatthew | libtool - a bastard system to do a bastard job |
| 03:44.11 | ljp | why is buildroot wanting to remember gcc3. |
| 03:44.35 | kergoth | ljp: make Vars.make append to PATH rather than prepending |
| 03:44.38 | BBMatthew | ljp > tried explicitly nuking it in .config? |
| 03:44.50 | BBMatthew | oh yes |
| 03:45.00 | kergoth | the cross path gets added twice |
| 03:45.03 | kergoth | its obeying hte first only |
| 03:45.05 | kergoth | boom. |
| 03:45.13 | kergoth | append and it should be fine |
| 03:46.18 | gb2 | kergoth: heh, i was going to make a comment about you drowning in libtool this afternoon |
| 03:48.07 | kergoth | "remove from deplibs.. it stays in dependencylibs" |
| 03:48.17 | kergoth | ya gotta love their variable naming |
| 03:48.40 | kergoth | i mean isnt it obvious what the difference is between deplibs and dependencylibs and about 30 other variations? :) |
| 03:50.25 | gb2 | kergoth: i read through one of those things a few years ago, suddenly came across a variable named fnord |
| 03:50.32 | kergoth | hah. |
| 03:51.18 | gb2 | huh? what? |
| 03:51.30 | gb2 | ;) |
| 03:51.54 | kergoth | i love it when we're like 4 eval's deep too |
| 03:51.57 | kergoth | just great |
| 03:52.05 | kergoth | havent these people ever heard of shell functions? |
| 03:52.16 | BBMatthew | the idea was that the gnu build system would be compatible with all these various systems and take the pain out of compiling BUT their decision not to develop a new language to do it was not a good onw |
| 03:52.28 | kergoth | new language? |
| 03:52.45 | kergoth | libtool has admirable goals and output, just a horrid implementation |
| 03:52.54 | BBMatthew | instead of one autogenerated sh script |
| 03:52.56 | ljp | I just dont understand how its remembering gcc3 |
| 03:53.06 | kergoth | BBMatthew: we're talking about libtool here. |
| 03:53.11 | kergoth | BBMatthew: not autoconf/automake |
| 03:53.26 | kergoth | dont get me wrong, i dont like them much either, but libtool's the bastard in question |
| 03:53.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:53.38 | BBMatthew | i see what you mean |
| 03:53.54 | BBMatthew | I have my own run in with it and I never really stood a chance |
| 04:03.06 | BBMatthew | hehe no wonder nothing audio worked and the prboom sigfaulted on floating point, I can't believe I had forgotten -msoft-float |
| 04:03.34 | BBMatthew | just goes to show how little actually uses floating point |
| 04:03.39 | BBMatthew | soo much worked |
| 04:03.49 | kergoth | um? you can use floating point on arm, it just uses the kernel emulation |
| 04:03.52 | kergoth | slow, but functional |
| 04:04.02 | kergoth | s/arm/linux\/arm/ |
| 04:05.29 | BBMatthew | does it use the same system as a SPARC ie it causes a trap when it tries to do FP which you handle in an ISR? |
| 04:05.43 | kergoth | yep. hence the 'slow' |
| 04:05.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:06.14 | BBMatthew | so -msoft-float merely prevents the trap by spitting out code into the program |
| 04:06.33 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:06.38 | kergoth | brb, food |
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| 04:23.36 | kergoth | hmm |
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| 04:37.30 | treke|home | well that was fun |
| 04:38.49 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:39.10 | treke|home | played a homicidal chef in a students movie |
| 04:39.22 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:42.51 | ljp | waricks wife had a baby last night |
| 04:43.02 | treke|home | cool. Was it warwicks? |
| 04:43.10 | ljp | yes ;) |
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| 05:05.58 | BBMatthew | adding -msoft-float broke the ncurses compile with yet another classic saying part of ncurses was not built with -msoft-float |
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| 05:47.10 | ljp | hmmm |
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| 08:09.29 | Twiun | good morning |
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| 09:19.12 | cmartin | hi mickeyl |
| 09:19.21 | mickeyl | good morning cmartin |
| 09:19.57 | mickeyl | reports on 0.8.1 seem to be mixed. any idea why some people having problems with aqpkg or synchronising? |
| 09:20.48 | cmartin | nope - i could not reproduce the problems with aqpkg |
| 09:21.13 | cmartin | i have no problems updating and install ipks |
| 09:21.35 | cmartin | s/ installing |
| 09:22.14 | cmartin | i haven't tried syncronizing with Qtopia desktop |
| 09:24.12 | cmartin | i was also asked where the extra packages from the Release Notes are (e.g. Opie-RDesktop) - when can we get those in the fedd? |
| 09:24.23 | cmartin | s/ feed |
| 09:28.12 | mickeyl | no idea |
| 09:28.27 | mickeyl | as soon as someone builds HEAD |
| 09:28.42 | mickeyl | or rather fixes HEAD that it builds :) |
| 09:28.48 | cmartin | hehe |
| 09:29.10 | mickeyl | well, i think it builds already, but not with the quick-app style. |
| 09:30.05 | cmartin | since when are things put into BRANCH without first being tested in HEAD??? |
| 09:30.26 | cmartin | that doesn't seem like good practice |
| 09:30.44 | mickeyl | cmartin: i know. |
| 09:30.50 | mickeyl | cmartin: and the answer is... |
| 09:30.54 | mickeyl | ibot: lart Harlekin |
| 09:30.58 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 09:31.37 | mickeyl | obviously he didn't have experience with managing a cvs project |
| 09:31.44 | mickeyl | that's why he made that mistake. |
| 09:31.48 | mickeyl | but it won't happen again. |
| 09:32.34 | cmartin | well, now that ibot stabbed him i think that is a painfull lesson ;) |
| 09:34.13 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 09:35.56 | cmartin | back to 0.8.1 - all-in-all i think the overall view of the users is more positive than with 0.8 |
| 09:40.38 | mickeyl | yes, that's what I also feel. One also has to take into account, that we had a lot of wince users which are slowly getting comfortable with unix style. |
| 09:40.55 | mickeyl | however, one thing came to mind |
| 09:41.21 | mickeyl | There is a lot of non-simpad specific talk about opie stuff. we already have too much fragmentation in various message boards and mailing list. |
| 09:41.41 | mickeyl | wouldn't it be useful to join forces with another discussion forum? |
| 09:41.43 | mickeyl | e.g. z-portal.info ? |
| 09:43.10 | mickeyl | umm... it is closed today, so you can't take a look. but it is the biggest german Zaurus/Opie forum around. |
| 09:44.07 | cmartin | hmmm, based on XOOPS (another CMS similar to Typo3) ;) |
| 09:44.35 | mickeyl | we would have much much more users-helping-users and less developers-helping-users, which would be a good thing(TM) |
| 09:44.42 | cmartin | how would you expect the "joined forces" to look like |
| 09:45.58 | cmartin | most users wouldn't know to look to a Zaurus forum for help on their simpads |
| 09:46.15 | mickeyl | we would lead them to that, of course |
| 09:46.27 | mickeyl | or we could seemlessly integrate it into our URL |
| 09:46.44 | cmartin | like " this is Opie specific go to .... for help" |
| 09:47.12 | mickeyl | i'm sure the z-portal administrators wouldn't mind to add device-specific categories - they already have a distinction in sl5xxx and c7x0 |
| 09:47.17 | cmartin | "seemlessly" ?? |
| 09:47.31 | mickeyl | sure |
| 09:47.37 | mickeyl | a hidden frame, and voila |
| 09:51.44 | Twiun | or even do it server-side |
| 09:52.06 | Twiun | you can include remote resources in server generated websites |
| 09:52.30 | Twiun | no internal frames or other monstrousities ;) |
| 09:52.33 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 09:52.36 | mickeyl | right |
| 09:52.51 | cmartin | i understand what you mean, but i don't think we will get rid of overlaps - opensimpad users will almost always think that notwork configuration problems is simpad specific, even if it is only a problem with the Network settings app |
| 09:53.17 | cmartin | yes, that is no problem |
| 09:53.22 | cmartin | i know |
| 09:54.32 | cmartin | i just think it will be hard to get those users to realise that they can be helped better when their forked off to another site |
| 09:54.48 | cmartin | they will probably come back and start posting OT |
| 09:54.57 | cmartin | in other forums of ours |
| 09:55.04 | mickeyl | well, as i've said it would need to be _integrated_ |
| 09:55.21 | mickeyl | and also, the probability of getting help is much larger |
| 09:55.33 | cmartin | yes, i aggree |
| 09:55.34 | mickeyl | z-portal has several thousand users |
| 09:55.46 | mickeyl | a lot of them with linux knowledge |
| 09:55.55 | mickeyl | and opie expertise because they're using it for months now |
| 09:56.34 | mickeyl | it is a conceptual thing. I feel the Embedded Linux community is too fragmented and there are means to change that. |
| 09:57.06 | Twiun | mickeyl: who's leading the z-portal site? |
| 09:57.14 | cmartin | k, i'm up for that - it just needs to be done effectively - without too much confusion |
| 09:57.18 | Twiun | (which I'll look at at some point) |
| 09:57.43 | mickeyl | Twiun: a few germans which come up in #opie.de once in a while |
| 09:57.59 | mickeyl | Twiun: it is a german speaking forum. |
| 09:58.20 | mickeyl | Twiun: I'd like that the Embedded Linux commnunity over the world will join, but we have to do it in small steps :) |
| 09:58.40 | mickeyl | s/join/unite |
| 09:59.27 | cmartin | "german speaking" - well that would detract some users |
| 09:59.41 | mickeyl | that's why I only talked about our german forums |
| 09:59.43 | Twiun | definately... need to de-emphasise the language aspect |
| 09:59.54 | Twiun | it's be useful to get all nationalities under one roof |
| 10:00.55 | cmartin | cmartin is an American that speaks german perfectly ;) |
| 10:01.07 | Twiun | cmartin: You're american? |
| 10:01.11 | cmartin | yep |
| 10:01.14 | Twiun | cmartin: Wow |
| 10:01.32 | Twiun | But you're one of the exceptional few ;) |
| 10:01.37 | cmartin | i know |
| 10:02.12 | cmartin | a lot of americans are similar to the french when it comes to speaking other languages |
| 10:04.11 | cmartin | i speak german without an accent (well, except for Ruhrpot, hehe), but you can noticed my gramatic errors when i have to write in german |
| 10:04.24 | BBMatthew | I am afraid speaking english encourages laziness |
| 10:04.39 | cmartin | BBMatthew: why? |
| 10:05.14 | BBMatthew | because soo many other people speak it I have had no reason to learn a new language |
| 10:07.28 | cmartin | i would be lost if everybody only spoke in their native language |
| 10:07.53 | cmartin | i only know english, german and a little spanish |
| 10:08.29 | BBMatthew | I can ask for beer in many languages |
| 10:08.35 | cmartin | hehe |
| 10:09.40 | cmartin | k, back to our discussion - we were talking about joining forces in the Embedded Linux community - and i think a common language usage would be helpful |
| 10:11.29 | Twiun | let's not alienate people who can't speak in that common language though - I'd say sub-boards or some way of flagging foreign-language message threads |
| 10:11.46 | Twiun | so english-only people can filter them out |
| 10:11.51 | Twiun | and likewise for others |
| 10:13.15 | cmartin | that's why we have english and german forums at opensimpad.org, but it is a pain having to search both |
| 10:13.59 | Twiun | hence my suggestion for flagging at the message level |
| 10:14.19 | Twiun | and have some language toggles/filters |
| 10:14.21 | mickeyl | and have the default flag set based on the user level |
| 10:14.53 | Twiun | make a sane default customisable in their registration preferences as well |
| 10:15.18 | Twiun | so someone could have EN+DE+FR-JP |
| 10:46.14 | cmartin | Twiun: know of any forum system that already has such functions? |
| 10:47.31 | Twiun | cmartin: not offhand - but I never looked for one, so it may exist |
| 10:49.04 | cmartin | Twiun: but mickeyl was wanting to get those Opie spec. questions out of the opensimpad.org forums so we can concentrate on development issues |
| 10:52.29 | Twiun | problem with a portal is that it won't help you move OT topics from the opensimpad boards to another... it all needs to be run under the same system |
| 10:52.42 | Twiun | one overboard that manages all the others |
| 10:53.01 | Twiun | I can't see this happening fast |
| 10:53.22 | Twiun | In the meantime, you may need to manually move such topics |
| 10:53.41 | Twiun | (I realise this adds admin overheads) |
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| 11:14.56 | cmartin | i don't think this will ever happen |
| 11:15.21 | Twiun | unless someone develops a multilingual board? |
| 11:16.20 | Twiun | http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum10/2051.htm |
| 11:17.20 | cmartin | mickeyl: i think our only chance is by putting a notice up that OT questions should be placed in the appropriate forum (e.g. Opie -> z-portal.info) |
| 11:17.58 | cmartin | mickeyl: if someone posts anyways then maybe he's helped by the users, but we just stay quite on these posts |
| 11:18.48 | mickeyl | k |
| 11:18.48 | cmartin | mickeyl: i understand it costs time just reading those posts, but i don't think we're going to get rid of them altogether |
| 11:19.30 | mickeyl | oh well it's not that. it's about major improving the opie support and giving the feeling of a large community to the opie users |
| 11:19.32 | cmartin | winCE spec. posts are placed in palmtop-magazin.de/boards/tablett also |
| 11:20.06 | mickeyl | a large opie community seems the only means to get a larger developer community. and frankly... that's what counts for me personally. |
| 11:20.36 | cmartin | yes, for starters we could point to the right places and encourage contacting the rest of the community |
| 11:21.28 | mickeyl | on the SIMpad, we have a better situation anyway, because there is nothing like Qtopia for it (unless someone starts building it ;) |
| 11:22.25 | mickeyl | in the long run, the only thing to attract developers is having 1.) users and 2.) a good set of libraries. We have to improve in both fields, but especially in 2.) |
| 11:24.58 | BBMatthew | for what its worth I agree |
| 11:26.03 | mickeyl | bbl, making the rest of the day a home-office-day ;) |
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| 11:56.25 | cmartin | mickeyl: that was quick - do you live right around the block? |
| 11:57.58 | mickeyl | with light traffic, I have to drive 20 minutes |
| 12:01.49 | cmartin | mickeyl: i think the quicklauncher is a bit buggier than expected - in the forum it's been reported that qpdf segfaults with SIGSEGV while in use |
| 12:02.27 | mickeyl | yeah, quicklauncher tends to expose programming errors |
| 12:02.39 | mickeyl | quicklauncher hasn't received much testing anyway |
| 12:02.54 | mickeyl | but it is too good to not use it :) |
| 12:03.31 | cmartin | would it make sense to make an alternate build+feed for non-quicklauncher versions of those apps? |
| 12:03.58 | mickeyl | no opinion on tht |
| 12:04.00 | mickeyl | that |
| 12:04.26 | mickeyl | you know that trying to fix them would be better, of course... |
| 12:05.02 | chouimat | morning |
| 12:05.10 | cmartin | well, i'm not too good in C++ - I would prefer spending time learning some more python ;) |
| 12:05.34 | mickeyl | agreed. much better |
| 12:06.53 | cmartin | mickeyl: have you tried python and python-qt on the simpad? |
| 12:07.28 | mickeyl | cmartin: not yet. but since it works on all zaruii and the ipaq, i'm sure it will work there. |
| 12:07.48 | cmartin | most likely, yes |
| 12:12.48 | chouimat | http://www.dilbert.com/ |
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| 12:26.08 | mickeyl | lol |
| 12:31.26 | Twiun | makes sense though |
| 12:39.55 | chouimat | hmmm nothing like working at home in underwear ... with a good cd and a strong coffee what asking more? I know a beautiful girlfriend but that is out of my control |
| 12:42.58 | Twiun | working in underwear is dangerous with a cat around |
| 12:43.14 | Twiun | all kinds of unfortunate scratch-related incidents can happen |
| 12:44.44 | chouimat | Twiun: the cat is busy watching a blue jay outside :) |
| 12:46.48 | Twiun | chouimat: how long will that last? |
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| 12:53.20 | chouimat | Twiun: not long |
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| 13:23.35 | Twiun | chouimat: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4562.htm <-- realplayer req. |
| 13:25.36 | chouimat | Twiun: where is the realplayer thing? |
| 13:26.48 | Twiun | chouimat: the player? real.com iirc |
| 13:27.03 | Twiun | chouimat: there's a free one, just ignore the colourful ads |
| 13:27.08 | chouimat | Twiun: nothing play on the page |
| 13:27.20 | chouimat | and I have the player |
| 13:27.22 | Twiun | chouimat: must need a newer player - mine plays |
| 13:29.03 | Twiun | I'll see if I can extract the vid |
| 13:29.55 | chouimat | Twiun: Realone? |
| 13:31.04 | Twiun | chouimat: this is what the page links to rtsp://media1.abc.net.au/cnnnn/ep07/ep07_stupidyankees_lo.rm |
| 13:31.34 | Twiun | chouimat: yeah, real one |
| 13:32.28 | BBMatthew | does the buildroot produce a valid gcc3.3.1 toolchain? |
| 13:32.38 | BBMatthew | kergoth said he used it |
| 13:33.21 | chouimat | Twiun: lol |
| 13:35.45 | chouimat | Twiun: I knew they (some of them) where stupid but why all people are the streets are morons? |
| 13:37.05 | chouimat | Twiun: hiroshima and nagasaki are summo wrestler??? |
| 13:37.54 | Twiun | chouimat: it'd be even funnier if it wasn't sadly so true... and although the clip concentrates on americans, it's pretty universal |
| 13:38.04 | Twiun | BBMatthew: no idea |
| 13:38.13 | chouimat | Twiun: yup |
| 13:39.45 | Twiun | chouimat: stupidity transcends race, religion, nationality and gender ;) |
| 13:39.58 | Twiun | we've found the lowest common denominator! |
| 13:40.47 | chouimat | Twiun: there is a fundamental constant in the universe and we forget it all the time: the amount of intelligence is finite and the population keep growing |
| 13:43.29 | BBMatthew | in england more than 50% of 16 year olds scored highest grades in at least 2 subject so the population is getting cleverer.... |
| 13:43.31 | BBMatthew | or.... |
| 13:43.47 | Twiun | chouimat: Hahaha |
| 13:44.15 | chouimat | BBMatthew: or the test had been lowered :) |
| 13:44.34 | Twiun | BBMatthew: considering the idiots I see entering the software engineering workplace, I'd go with chouimat's answer |
| 13:45.21 | chouimat | Twiun: and considering the idiot I had the order to make them pass computer programming .... |
| 13:48.57 | BBMatthew | in this country all mathematics has been removed from physics, its an essay subject |
| 13:49.29 | chouimat | sound more like a philosophy essay .... |
| 13:57.42 | Twiun | BBMatthew: that's pure stupidity... but hardly surprising coming from the UK government |
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| 14:50.58 | cmartin | bbl |
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| 15:25.53 | Soopa | hello |
| 15:25.57 | Soopa | what is up/new |
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| 15:43.29 | kergoth | BBMatthew: all of OZ's chains were built by buildroot |
| 15:49.01 | kergoth | well, except for cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2, which was erikm's from ftp.arm.linux.org.uk |
| 15:50.47 | Soopa | kergoth, how goes it/ |
| 15:51.15 | kergoth | well, its morning |
| 15:51.22 | kergoth | but i have a caffinated beverage, so its improving |
| 15:52.37 | Soopa | heh |
| 15:52.49 | Soopa | does caffine in the morning actually help? |
| 15:52.49 | kergoth | yay for venti mocha frappuccinos |
| 15:52.57 | kergoth | only a little |
| 15:53.00 | kergoth | body's too adapted to it |
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| 15:54.40 | treke_ | morning big k |
| 15:54.47 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:54.48 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 15:54.55 | treke_ | not bad |
| 15:55.58 | treke_ | can you push the ulibc stuff? |
| 15:56.11 | kergoth | oh, yeah |
| 15:56.25 | kergoth | libtool won the battle last night |
| 15:56.30 | kergoth | but it wont win the war, i say! |
| 16:01.50 | treke_ | bleh |
| 16:01.54 | treke_ | no i386-linux-ar |
| 16:02.10 | kergoth | echo CROSS= >> local.conf |
| 16:02.11 | kergoth | :P |
| 16:02.15 | treke_ | doh |
| 16:02.47 | treke_ | bastards. |
| 16:02.48 | Soopa | kergoth, when can i merge my build root with yours? |
| 16:03.36 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:05.14 | Soopa | the openembedded environment that you've been working on for the longest time |
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| 16:05.45 | treke_ | then say that and not buildroot |
| 16:06.47 | treke_ | sweet. looks like zecke is more or less done with opie |
| 16:07.14 | kergoth | Soopa: dont call it buildroot. it isnt. |
| 16:07.23 | kergoth | Soopa: send patches to openembedded-devel@lists.sf.net |
| 16:07.31 | kergoth | Soopa: if they're sane, you'll get bk push access to the packages repos |
| 16:07.43 | kergoth | treke_: done? |
| 16:07.53 | treke_ | kergoth: read opie-devel list |
| 16:08.08 | kergoth | k |
| 16:08.14 | Soopa | can i shorten openembedded environment to oee, it is too much to type :P |
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| 16:08.30 | kergoth | we all call it OE, yeah. |
| 16:08.32 | treke_ | no. you have to type it all out |
| 16:08.37 | Soopa | heheheh |
| 16:09.04 | kergoth | hm, dont think i got whatever mail you're talking about yet |
| 16:09.28 | kergoth | oh, nm |
| 16:09.39 | kergoth | procmail stuffed it in my opie box, not opie-devel, since it went to both |
| 16:09.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:09.43 | treke_ | hehe |
| 16:10.56 | kergoth | heh, well i'm sorry to see him go, but i cant really blame him |
| 16:11.02 | kergoth | good for him, taking time out for himself, you know? |
| 16:11.10 | treke_ | yup |
| 16:11.27 | treke_ | still a shame, since he was one of the people really holding opie together |
| 16:11.34 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:11.44 | kergoth | holger's gone, sandman's gone.. |
| 16:11.50 | kergoth | not many core devs left. |
| 16:11.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:12.04 | treke_ | it's what? harlekin and eilers now? |
| 16:12.23 | Soopa | are you guys fighitng sauron's forces or something |
| 16:12.24 | Soopa | ? |
| 16:12.28 | treke_ | oh and mickeyl |
| 16:12.37 | kergoth | yeah. there's mickeyl, but he's mostly apps, not actual core changes. |
| 16:12.46 | kergoth | i have core access, but we all know i just do build stuff for the most part |
| 16:12.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:12.51 | treke_ | yup. and he seems fairly close to throwing in the towel :p |
| 16:13.01 | treke_ | so, maybe we should package gpe :p |
| 16:13.08 | Soopa | heh |
| 16:13.09 | kergoth | yeah, the whole licensing thing was kinda depressing |
| 16:13.24 | kergoth | so that didnt help |
| 16:13.55 | Soopa | ker, treke, does OE have the ability to build rollout distributions for regular desktop machines (but on a smaller footprint) |
| 16:14.04 | kergoth | Soopa: it can build for any target, including native. |
| 16:14.21 | kergoth | Soopa: OE is just a build tool. it can build whatever you throw at it in whatever ways you decide |
| 16:14.23 | Soopa | cool |
| 16:14.29 | Soopa | treke, how big is it gonna be/ |
| 16:14.36 | treke_ | 1.44mb |
| 16:14.41 | Soopa | heheh |
| 16:14.44 | Soopa | aewsome |
| 16:14.47 | treke_ | at the worst |
| 16:14.59 | Soopa | it has X and mplayer in there too ;) |
| 16:15.04 | treke_ | no it doesnt |
| 16:15.21 | kergoth | sounds like busybox and maybe some additional tools, networking.. |
| 16:15.25 | kergoth | not much else |
| 16:15.33 | treke_ | busybox, networking, and a tiny custom app |
| 16:15.37 | kergoth | cool |
| 16:15.54 | Soopa | treke, what is the intent of your image? |
| 16:16.05 | treke_ | Soopa: Register computers on our network |
| 16:16.30 | Soopa | cool |
| 16:18.15 | cyn | ahahahah X on a floppy |
| 16:18.21 | cyn | that would be impressive |
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| 16:19.24 | Soopa | the smallest i've gotten x is like 4mbs |
| 16:19.58 | treke_ | that's pretty small |
| 16:23.25 | Soopa | zsnes? |
| 16:23.27 | Soopa | :D |
| 16:26.10 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:26.23 | kergoth | i wonder how we can best handle the {pre,post}{rm,inst} scripts in OE |
| 16:27.01 | treke_ | do_packagename_postinst() do_packagename_preinst()? |
| 16:27.18 | kergoth | easier than that, it appends packagename to OVERRIDES |
| 16:27.24 | kergoth | do_preinst_packagename() { } |
| 16:27.28 | kergoth | so its handled automatically |
| 16:27.48 | kergoth | what i mean is, like, say i do a direct install or a tar install, obviously those are going to break |
| 16:28.01 | treke_ | ah. |
| 16:28.21 | kergoth | we can define a rootfs var, like ipkg's offline root var |
| 16:28.43 | kergoth | perhaps let the script decide whether he's runnable from a cross environment |
| 16:28.48 | kergoth | i.e. make ssh's abort |
| 16:28.57 | kergoth | but others, that just n eed rcX.d links.. |
| 16:29.02 | kergoth | could succeed |
| 16:29.15 | treke_ | you could generate ${PV}-${PN}.tar.gz and install-${PV}-${PN}.sh |
| 16:29.45 | kergoth | yeah, can definately output the scripts for those forms |
| 16:29.51 | kergoth | the question is how to get them executed |
| 16:30.00 | treke_ | but there really isn't much you can do to get things automatically run |
| 16:30.22 | kergoth | well, the oeinstall could try running them with the offline root var set |
| 16:30.25 | kergoth | for direct & tar |
| 16:30.33 | kergoth | and just warn on ones that cant operate properly in cross |
| 16:31.58 | kergoth | thatd reduce first boot time down to only the ones that _must_ run in that context |
| 16:32.51 | kergoth | in that way our images more closely match what we want at build time |
| 16:35.28 | kergoth | anyone remember what ipk's offline root env var is again? |
| 16:35.34 | kergoth | in {pre,post}{rm,inst} context? |
| 16:36.09 | kergoth | treke_: <pester>rt?</pester> |
| 16:36.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:39.12 | kergoth | god i need to brush up on my c++ |
| 16:40.27 | BBMatthew | not a bad book |
| 16:40.41 | kergoth | too tutorialish for my tastes |
| 16:40.45 | kergoth | i'm more a k&r kinda guy |
| 16:40.51 | kergoth | but it has the info i need |
| 16:40.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:41.02 | choui|boredagain | hmmm kde 3.2 alpha 2 "Tereza" is as hot as the chick in nove hrady with the same name |
| 16:41.11 | kergoth | choui|boredagain: hah |
| 16:41.34 | choui|boredagain | kergoth: work well |
| 16:42.10 | treke_ | kergoth: hehe. yeah. Going to just upgrade to testing |
| 16:42.24 | treke_ | kergoth: apparently perl 5.8 depends on gcc 3.2 |
| 16:42.28 | kergoth | err |
| 16:42.31 | kergoth | thats really odd |
| 16:42.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:42.36 | treke_ | Sounds like it |
| 16:42.56 | treke_ | I havent tried building it with gcc 2.95, but I was giving the perl maintainer the benefit of the the doubt |
| 16:47.31 | BBMatthew | kergoth, am debating removing buildroot in its entirety and devote all my time to OE (as I am now fed up with buildroot and I would prefer the devs not to be stuck doing booring stuff, and get them doing stuff I can't do myself) |
| 16:47.39 | BBMatthew | thoughts |
| 16:48.02 | kergoth | BBMatthew: thats what i'd recommend. I wont be spending any time on buildroot anymore, so any bugs you find wont be going anywhere unless you fix them |
| 16:48.10 | kergoth | and we're already _damn_ close to functional opie images. |
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| 16:48.26 | kergoth | if someone else starts working on package conversions, i can devote my time to the deployment interfaces |
| 16:49.03 | BBMatthew | well I have a longish list but what is the point when I could be pusing patches to OE? besides in a selfish way I have my sl5600 runnung |
| 16:49.40 | kergoth | I did use buildroot for toolchain builds for a while |
| 16:49.47 | kergoth | but now that we have that piece taken care of too.. |
| 16:50.04 | treke_ | that and as a reference for porting |
| 16:50.08 | BBMatthew | and this whole open thing is really take what you want - if you have the time help somone else |
| 16:50.42 | kergoth | BBMatthew: yep. your time is yours to do with what you will |
| 16:51.18 | BBMatthew | buildroots not going to get any better and I can't deal with the problems I meet there |
| 16:53.31 | BBMatthew | I have just cloned oe, do I need the packages too? and I have lost the link to the OE website |
| 16:53.38 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:53.40 | kergoth | OE is just the tools |
| 16:53.45 | kergoth | nice and independent |
| 16:54.04 | BBMatthew | pull packages in the oe dir or up a level? |
| 16:54.21 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:54.23 | kergoth | up a level |
| 16:54.26 | kergoth | they're completely independent. |
| 16:54.34 | BBMatthew | Taekero, and the website addr for oe? |
| 16:54.44 | kergoth | you can generate an rpm of the OE tools, install them into your distro, and not pullt he oe repos at all |
| 16:54.52 | kergoth | just pull the packages and use the tools you ahve installed to build them. |
| 16:54.57 | kergoth | OE is like make. just another tool |
| 16:55.10 | BBMatthew | cunning. was it based on gentoos ebuild? |
| 16:55.11 | kergoth | yet it _can_ be self contained or nearly so like buildroot |
| 16:55.12 | kergoth | yep |
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| 16:56.39 | kergoth | MSpin: heh, ltns |
| 16:56.48 | MSpin | kergoth: yeah:) |
| 16:56.59 | kergoth | how ya been? |
| 16:57.09 | MSpin | muhahaha |
| 16:57.58 | kergoth | ah, why? |
| 16:58.22 | MSpin | got tired of dealing with shitty management |
| 16:58.29 | kergoth | heh, know how that is |
| 16:58.34 | kergoth | good riddance then, eh? |
| 16:58.37 | MSpin | and they wanted me to do another 2 weeks in Ft lauderdale |
| 16:59.03 | MSpin | since feb I was averaging 2 weeks a month there |
| 16:59.13 | MSpin | yup, glad to have my freedom again |
| 16:59.34 | BBMatthew | :) |
| 16:59.56 | kergoth | BBMatthew: take a look at doc/{DEVEL,README,TRANSITION} |
| 17:00.08 | kergoth | let me know if you have any suggestions on ease of use for the tools or documentation |
| 17:00.21 | MSpin | kergoth: so,what bk tree should I be using?:) |
| 17:00.31 | kergoth | for the new system or the old? |
| 17:00.32 | BBMatthew | reading now, but compared to buildroot it looks just dreamy |
| 17:00.36 | kergoth | ew're in the middle of a transition |
| 17:00.41 | MSpin | ahhh |
| 17:00.47 | BBMatthew | I just got the new onw |
| 17:00.48 | kergoth | the new one is two repositories, one for the tools, one for the package metadata |
| 17:00.55 | kergoth | 'oe' and 'packages' from openembedded.bkbits.net |
| 17:01.10 | MSpin | is the new up to building an image? |
| 17:01.28 | kergoth | it has an image builder tool, and a installer tool, but both are really basic atm |
| 17:01.35 | kergoth | and just do direct installs, not installs from ipk/rpm/deb |
| 17:01.44 | kergoth | deployment is still under construction |
| 17:01.55 | MSpin | hrm, I'll finish my current build oif the old |
| 17:02.09 | MSpin | that's after I get through bitching at the debian people:) |
| 17:02.33 | BBMatthew | kergoth, whats the most productive thing for me to be doing? |
| 17:09.10 | BBMatthew | fascinating -- its running now |
| 17:10.41 | BBMatthew | was I supposed to run oemake in the content dir :) |
| 17:12.12 | gb2 | that should work iirc |
| 17:12.30 | gb2 | should build a bunch of stuff |
| 17:13.00 | BBMatthew | as I said was I supposed to run it another dir? |
| 17:13.13 | BBMatthew | it seems to be running fine, I wonder what compiler it will use |
| 17:13.35 | gb2 | what's it building right now? |
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| 17:14.12 | gb2 | you might be building native |
| 17:14.58 | BBMatthew | its just dl packages at the moment, hasn't built anything |
| 17:15.12 | BBMatthew | looks like I havent' |
| 17:15.20 | BBMatthew | given it a compiler |
| 17:15.21 | gb2 | it will default to building natively |
| 17:16.07 | gb2 | you create conf/local.conf containing overrides for a handful of variables to make it target another arch/os |
| 17:17.45 | gb2 | you probably want it to contain something like this: |
| 17:17.47 | gb2 | TARGET_ARCH = arm |
| 17:17.48 | gb2 | TARGET_OS = linux |
| 17:17.48 | gb2 | CROSS_DIR = /path/to/your/arm-linux/compiler/root |
| 17:17.48 | gb2 | DL_DIR = ${TOPDIR}/downloads |
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| 17:20.21 | BBMatthew | ah, well its got all the dl files in the same dir as the oe |
| 17:21.07 | gb2 | by default, it creates a dir called "tmp" and "tmp/downloads" where it dumps all the downloaded files |
| 17:21.22 | gb2 | i generally override that so i can rm -rf tmp inbetween clean rebuilds |
| 17:21.27 | gb2 | and not wipe out the downloads |
| 17:21.36 | BBMatthew | gotcha |
| 17:22.01 | gb2 | it also creates tmp/base/* awhere it builds packages, and tmp/stamps/ where it dumps all its stamp files |
| 17:24.07 | BBMatthew | how does oemake / oebuid pickup the conf file? |
| 17:26.41 | kergoth | it searches OEPATH, which includes /usr/share/oe, $OEDIR, and the current directory (aka TOPDIR) |
| 17:27.26 | BBMatthew | well it seems to be building gcc3.3.1 quite nicely |
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| 17:27.45 | kergoth | guy joins and /msg's me xcdcc list |
| 17:27.52 | kergoth | what is this, an embedded warez channel |
| 17:28.02 | kergoth | GIVE ME LEET COPYS OF UBOOT! |
| 17:28.24 | absentia | send'm copies of that ultra-sekret os... linux. |
| 17:29.37 | BBMatthew | the only thing I would say about the tools is, I know its crap, but a dot every now and again indicating activity |
| 17:29.55 | kergoth | yeah, our output / debugging / logging is in dire need of a revamp |
| 17:29.58 | BBMatthew | I thought I had broken them :) |
| 17:31.03 | BBMatthew | its normal to call oemake etc from the toplevel of the packages dir? |
| 17:31.11 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:31.15 | kergoth | you can call it from anywhere though |
| 17:31.20 | kergoth | as long as it can find the OEFILES |
| 17:31.23 | kergoth | you're good to go |
| 17:31.47 | BBMatthew | kergoth, I realise this but I think I am building in the content dir |
| 17:32.33 | kergoth | thats fine |
| 17:32.41 | kergoth | all cwd affects is where its putting its temporary files |
| 17:32.45 | kergoth | ${TOPDIR}/tmp |
| 17:32.50 | kergoth | and where i locates conf/local.conf from |
| 17:33.10 | BBMatthew | fair enough, well I halted it |
| 17:33.45 | MSpin | hrm...image building seems to be b0rked (in the old tree) ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for libopieobex0: |
| 17:33.45 | MSpin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.51 | kergoth | consider OE in its current incarnation to be a python prototype of the eventual tools |
| 17:33.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:33.58 | kergoth | MSpin: remove one of the bitstream vera ipks |
| 17:34.06 | kergoth | MSpin: theyi both provide the same thing, it deoesnt know which one you want |
| 17:34.15 | MSpin | ahh, from output/ipks? |
| 17:34.18 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:34.23 | MSpin | k |
| 17:34.33 | kergoth | if you're on a 5x00 remove -full, if c7x0 remove -light, generally |
| 17:34.44 | pb_ | heh, gotta wonder why libopieobex0 is depending on fonts at all. |
| 17:35.01 | MSpin | where should I send my cset? :) I fixed some debian rev foo |
| 17:36.51 | BBMatthew | kergoth, oe builds toolchains now? |
| 17:37.55 | kergoth | pb_: old ipkg, its misreporitng |
| 17:38.15 | kergoth | pb_: libopieobex depends on something which depends on ..etc .. depends on fonts |
| 17:39.10 | MSpin | yay! all built |
| 17:45.34 | pb_ | kergoth: ah, I see. |
| 17:46.07 | kergoth | treke_: fixed the ifupdown diff.gz failure in oe. |
| 17:46.11 | kergoth | stupid 2 character typo |
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| 17:47.25 | BBMatthew | kergoth so I build the packages and then attempt to add any I want that were missing from buildroot? |
| 17:47.33 | kergoth | BBMatthew: yep |
| 17:47.36 | kergoth | per TRANSITION |
| 17:47.42 | kergoth | autoconf/automake based builds are a breeze |
| 17:47.45 | kergoth | like a 3 line .oe file |
| 17:48.54 | BBMatthew | I saw, always assuming that fsking configure script behaves |
| 17:49.48 | MSpin | well, shit, I got my image built. Now I need to track down who I lent my CF reder to..grr |
| 17:51.11 | BBMatthew | heh, just pulled buildroot again - its helpful if you want to know what packages are needed |
| 17:52.52 | BBMatthew | so do I just build all the packages from oe to see if they work? |
| 17:52.58 | BBMatthew | including the toolchain ones? |
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| 18:00.56 | BBMatthew | I am going home, with my laptoip |
| 18:01.02 | BBMatthew | and I am going to watch a movie |
| 18:01.31 | BBMatthew | cyas latez d00ds (I think I caught a virus of that lamerz earlier) |
| 18:01.52 | BBMatthew | hehe I misspelled my l33t speak |
| 18:02.02 | BBMatthew | if thats possible of course |
| 18:05.35 | Soopaman | is the regular sun java the same as the java that is offered with gcc? |
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| 18:50.23 | kergoth | cross-binutils-2.14.90.0.6-r0.tar.gz modutils-2.4.25-r0.tar.gz |
| 18:50.23 | kergoth | cross-binutils-dev-2.14.90.0.6-r0.tar.gz modutils-doc-2.4.25-r0.tar.gz |
| 18:50.23 | kergoth | cross-binutils-doc-2.14.90.0.6-r0.tar.gz |
| 18:50.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:50.37 | kergoth | oe building tarballs of our built toolchains |
| 18:50.45 | kergoth | how unuseful when its in my homedir |
| 18:52.10 | Twiun | lol |
| 18:52.17 | Twiun | kergoth: read Holger's post? |
| 18:52.24 | kergoth | ./home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe/packages/tmp/staging/cross/* |
| 18:52.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:52.38 | kergoth | Twiun: yeah. sorry to see him go, but its good that he's taking some time for himself. |
| 18:52.43 | kergoth | Twiun: we all know how he feels |
| 18:52.46 | Twiun | you know you're asking for trouble with a path that long ;) |
| 18:52.48 | kergoth | been there, done that |
| 18:52.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:52.56 | kergoth | i've seen builds explode from it |
| 18:53.02 | Twiun | kergoth: aye - I've taken a 4 month sabbatical myself |
| 18:53.27 | Twiun | not surprising... I can virtually guarantee the 2.4 kernel builds will choke |
| 18:53.34 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:53.40 | kergoth | the dependency generation cmdlines are so long |
| 18:53.44 | kergoth | with full paths.. boom |
| 18:53.52 | kergoth | still, i like my code organized |
| 18:53.59 | kergoth | projects seperate from my code bits |
| 18:54.04 | kergoth | user vs boot vs kernel |
| 18:54.08 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 18:54.20 | Twiun | fakeroot/chroot for kernel builds? |
| 18:54.41 | kergoth | did you look at that one crosscompiler thing on slashdot hte other week? |
| 18:54.48 | kergoth | where it makes a self contained isolated env |
| 18:54.55 | kergoth | I could see adding that as an optional function to OE |
| 18:55.13 | Twiun | ah, no, I didn't notice it |
| 18:55.16 | Twiun | but that'd rock |
| 18:55.30 | kergoth | like, chroot dev envs and/or target arch emulation or what have you |
| 18:55.50 | kergoth | just ways other than our current CONFIG_SITE method of handling crosscompilation |
| 18:56.08 | kergoth | was discussing it with nelson, explaining that OE isnt a crosscompjilation tool, its a build tool that happens to support crosscompilationm |
| 18:56.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:57.10 | Twiun | true... one day we'll use it for opie on x86 ;) |
| 18:57.28 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:57.41 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 18:57.42 | kergoth | its important to remember that OE is just a metadata collector and task executor |
| 18:57.46 | kergoth | it can do whatever the hell you want it to do |
| 18:57.53 | kergoth | even things completely independent of building |
| 18:57.59 | kergoth | like papajohns.oe |
| 18:58.00 | Twiun | seems Spencer's looking into Qt-SWT |
| 18:58.05 | kergoth | oh? |
| 18:58.06 | kergoth | cool |
| 18:58.15 | Twiun | ... for java ;) |
| 18:58.40 | Twiun | that'd be a ready made set of peers for kaffe - plug'n'pray |
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| 19:26.50 | MSpin | hrm, is there some trick to getting the TS working? (old buildroot) |
| 19:27.01 | kergoth | nope |
| 19:27.03 | kergoth | what device? |
| 19:27.07 | kergoth | did you enable tslib for qte or no? |
| 19:27.11 | MSpin | 5000d |
| 19:27.14 | MSpin | it's not enabled |
| 19:27.20 | MSpin | but I tried it enabled and still no |
| 19:27.40 | kergoth | should be working without |
| 19:27.43 | kergoth | couldnt guarantee sanity with |
| 19:27.57 | MSpin | that doesn't touch the kernel, does it? |
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| 19:28.12 | MSpin | (tslib) |
| 19:28.21 | kergoth | tslib is a user space library. |
| 19:28.25 | kergoth | qte can either use it or not |
| 19:28.30 | kergoth | if it uses it, you n eed tslib installed |
| 19:28.44 | MSpin | weird |
| 19:29.14 | MSpin | well, let me try a full build with the default collie configs |
| 19:29.21 | kergoth | thatd be good |
| 19:29.53 | MSpin | which one do you build the images with? |
| 19:29.59 | kergoth | collie-opie_image |
| 19:30.01 | kergoth | for image creation |
| 19:30.03 | kergoth | collie-opie for build |
| 19:30.29 | kergoth | cp def-configs/collie-opie .config; make oldconfig; cp def-configs/collie-opie_image output/.config; make image_oldconfig; make; make image |
| 19:31.13 | MSpin | ya |
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| 19:36.59 | kergoth | morning andersee |
| 19:37.11 | andersee | kergoth: morning |
| 19:37.13 | andersee | :) |
| 19:37.23 | kergoth | hows it going? |
| 19:37.23 | andersee | kergoth: so how goes oe? |
| 19:37.32 | kergoth | pretty well |
| 19:37.37 | kergoth | getting more packages being built by it |
| 19:37.43 | chouimat | ibot: quote scox |
| 19:37.45 | kergoth | treke's using it to build a boot floppy |
| 19:37.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:37.57 | andersee | kergoth: not bad. I took a week off and took the family to the grand canyon, was a nice break |
| 19:38.04 | kergoth | nice, had a good time? |
| 19:38.14 | kergoth | brb, soda run |
| 19:38.26 | andersee | kergoth: ya know, one of these days you should actually make a release. :-) |
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| 19:40.37 | kergoth | andersee: hey, theres an idea |
| 19:42.21 | andersee | kergoth: on that note, been a while since the oz page got some lovin'... |
| 19:42.26 | andersee | :-) |
| 19:42.46 | kergoth | also a good idea |
| 19:43.13 | kergoth | openzaurus.org needs hefty revamping to remove its 'zaurus' specific nature |
| 19:43.23 | Twiun | have we found a replacement webmaster yet? |
| 19:43.37 | kergoth | not really. noda's still busy with contracts. fdask is contributing |
| 19:43.45 | kergoth | but i dunno if he'd want to take on the amount of work that needs doing |
| 19:44.33 | kergoth | basically we need someone to shepherd it from openzaurus -> openembedded/zaurus |
| 19:44.38 | kergoth | conceptually |
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| 19:54.21 | kergoth | k, updated openzaurus.org news |
| 20:12.38 | kergoth | gb2, treke_: start using 'inherit libtool' on packages that use it. |
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| 20:23.15 | Jondo | Hello all. I just got a Zaurus 5500. Its got Qtopia on it. How do I put files on it from linux? |
| 20:26.02 | kergoth | this isnt a user support channel |
| 20:26.09 | kergoth | if you're using openzaurus, join #openzaurus |
| 20:26.14 | kergoth | if you're using sharp, join #zaurus |
| 20:26.15 | Jondo | kergoth: k, thanks. |
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| 20:30.26 | kergoth | hey tux_mike, bipolar |
| 20:30.30 | tux_mike | hey |
| 20:31.35 | tux_mike | hrm |
| 20:31.47 | tux_mike | lots of interesting stuff in vim i had no idea was there |
| 20:32.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:32.14 | kergoth | vim is spiffy |
| 20:32.23 | kergoth | I dont use nearly enough of its spiffiness |
| 20:32.24 | tux_mike | i just discovered J |
| 20:32.51 | tux_mike | and here i am going to the end of line and deleting the \n |
| 20:34.40 | darkschneider | porting those packages is taking loooooong time... |
| 20:35.43 | bipolar | kergoth: yo |
| 20:39.08 | kergoth | darkschneider: ? |
| 20:39.22 | darkschneider | btw there is an offical reason why many opie games dont' save the hiscore? |
| 20:39.39 | kergoth | um, why not ask the opie folks? |
| 20:39.43 | darkschneider | kergoth: it was to say "wait my packages, tehy are coming, i'm goign alphabeticaly" |
| 20:39.51 | darkschneider | kergoth: rigth :P |
| 20:39.53 | kergoth | darkschneider: ah, k |
| 20:39.56 | kergoth | #opie |
| 20:39.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:40.16 | darkschneider | kergoth: eheh... i have to study for exams tooo.. |
| 20:40.25 | kergoth | darkschneider: which packages are you working on, so i dont duplicate work? you're going alphabetically? |
| 20:40.36 | darkschneider | kergoth: yeah |
| 20:40.39 | kergoth | k |
| 20:40.43 | kergoth | i'll go in reverse then |
| 20:40.45 | darkschneider | make so, yous tart from the bottom |
| 20:40.50 | darkschneider | indeed :P |
| 20:41.02 | darkschneider | remebr to put the phalanx patch i mailed in |
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| 20:49.01 | bipolar | kergoth: are you on the opie mailing list? |
| 20:51.22 | kergoth | bipolar: yes |
| 20:53.19 | bipolar | kergoth: good. I just wanted to make sure you will get my post |
| 20:54.41 | darkschneider | thre is fltk library for arm? |
| 20:54.54 | darkschneider | for OZ i mean.. |
| 20:55.15 | bipolar | darkschneider: I don't think it's in oz. I know there are arm binaries |
| 20:56.04 | darkschneider | ok, no problem if i add it? (i will need it in the near future for a porting) |
| 20:56.46 | bipolar | darkschneider: have a ball! :) |
| 20:57.35 | darkschneider | ehm... translate... i'm a poor italian.. i don't get that slang immediatly, but i that that as a "yes" |
| 20:59.52 | bipolar | darkschneider: yes. |
| 21:00.10 | bipolar | darkschneider: have a ball == have fun == enjoy doing it :-D |
| 21:00.38 | darkschneider | hooo... i have to do that.. not really an enjoyment :) tx anyway :)) |
| 21:13.06 | kergoth | k, util-linux 2.12 is done |
| 21:13.07 | kergoth | next.. |
| 21:14.48 | bipolar | kergoth: I guess kicking it worked, eh? |
| 21:14.53 | bipolar | heh |
| 21:14.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:14.56 | kergoth | guess so |
| 21:15.18 | kergoth | ~/coding/projects/user/oe/packages$ ls -l tmp/deploy/tar/|wc -l |
| 21:15.19 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.20 | kergoth | getting there. |
| 21:18.23 | ljp | hmm.. some optimizing of signal/slots... whoda thunk that needed it |
| 21:19.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:21.01 | kergoth | next.. |
| 21:21.34 | ljp | how close to a minimal working system are you? |
| 21:21.50 | kergoth | oh we're way past minimal |
| 21:21.55 | kergoth | still; missing a few minor things |
| 21:22.00 | kergoth | like actually symlinking /etc/rcS.d |
| 21:22.02 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:22.05 | kergoth | so it doesnt boot yet |
| 21:22.08 | kergoth | but the minimal package set, yeah |
| 21:22.14 | kergoth | other than the kernels and modules |
| 21:22.57 | kergoth | treke_: get anywhere with apmd? |
| 21:24.44 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: what doesn't boot yet |
| 21:26.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: images built by OE |
| 21:26.37 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 21:26.39 | TheMasterMind1 | but getting there |
| 21:26.41 | TheMasterMind1 | progress is good |
| 21:26.43 | kergoth | all the packages are there for a minimal |
| 21:26.47 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 21:26.50 | kergoth | just missing pre/post rm/inst and shit |
| 21:26.54 | kergoth | the rcS.d links for initscripts |
| 21:26.57 | kergoth | thats about it really |
| 21:27.04 | TheMasterMind1 | impressive |
| 21:27.05 | kergoth | i tried booting it today at ti |
| 21:27.09 | kergoth | just about there |
| 21:28.00 | ljp | ehhh booting is overrated anyway |
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| 21:30.19 | tux_mike | foo. half hour left |
| 21:34.20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: updated the news page |
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| 21:45.23 | treke_ | yo |
| 21:46.20 | ljp | ho |
| 21:46.35 | treke_ | and a bottle of rum |
| 21:46.43 | gb2 | mmm.. rum |
| 21:47.56 | treke_ | you two can keep all of the rum |
| 21:48.00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: oh, good |
| 21:50.03 | Neo|Work | anyone know of some app to show an image on the framebuffer? |
| 21:50.12 | gb2 | cat |
| 21:50.21 | Neo|Work | yeah, was just about to say that |
| 21:50.22 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 21:50.27 | gb2 | :) |
| 21:50.36 | darkschneider | kergoth: if you meet BB<something> the guy of the rom say him i have a new stbstdc++ to put in the tree and the ipk to fix aqipk |
| 21:53.26 | ljp | Neo|Work: I forget what its called, but I ran across an image viewer for the framebuffer |
| 21:53.35 | ljp | the other day |
| 21:55.10 | gb2 | http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+framebuffer+image+viewer |
| 21:55.54 | kergoth | Neo|Work: fbi |
| 21:55.57 | kergoth | iirc |
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| 21:57.08 | gb2 | kergoth: fbi is the first hit for the google search i pasted, yes. |
| 21:57.15 | kergoth | ah, didnt go to the link |
| 21:57.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:57.22 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:57.34 | kergoth | added man-1.5m2 |
| 21:57.35 | gb2 | google knows the answer to many questions |
| 21:57.39 | kergoth | so our -doc packages are actually useful |
| 21:58.27 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:58.43 | gb2 | kergoth: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/manpages/ |
| 21:58.49 | gb2 | latest being http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/manpages/man-pages-1.60.tar.bz2 |
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| 21:59.31 | kergoth | ah, want me to add that while i'm at it then? |
| 21:59.34 | kergoth | hey weird |
| 21:59.37 | gb2 | it's fitting |
| 21:59.41 | chouimat | http://matt.truch.net/photo/showpic.php?pid=66 |
| 21:59.42 | kergoth | its putting man's man pages in the man package |
| 21:59.44 | kergoth | not man-doc |
| 21:59.51 | kergoth | course thats fine, considering.. but.. odd |
| 21:59.54 | treke_ | ok. time to take another stab at installing hpe |
| 21:59.55 | treke_ | gpe |
| 22:00.00 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:00.10 | kergoth | oh |
| 22:00.10 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:00.12 | gb2 | kergoth: but, i already know how to use man, i don't want its docs ;) |
| 22:00.17 | kergoth | it hits ${datadir}/${PN} |
| 22:00.22 | kergoth | which also happens to match mandir |
| 22:00.25 | kergoth | so the base package gets it first |
| 22:00.26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:00.32 | gb2 | heh |
| 22:01.24 | kergoth | there we go |
| 22:01.47 | Neo|Work | there |
| 22:06.51 | kergoth | added fbi to OE |
| 22:06.54 | kergoth | man-pages next.. |
| 22:08.16 | Neo|Work | what is fbi? |
| 22:08.35 | Neo|Work | OMG FBI IS WATCHING OVER OE!!!! AND CIA AND NSA TOO!!! |
| 22:09.44 | ljp | kergoth: does the c700 kernel have that patch to use buffered framebuffer? or is the hardware not able to use that? |
| 22:10.03 | treke_ | ljp: Someone tested it and said it wasnt much of a benefit |
| 22:10.55 | pb_ | yeah. mickey, I think. |
| 22:11.13 | ljp | I tested it, and used the qtopia performance app to test, and some writes were faster, and some were slower |
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| 22:11.51 | pb_ | ah, that's interesting. it shouldn't make anything slower. |
| 22:12.01 | ljp | I think the qcop optimizations just committed here, will speed that up |
| 22:12.40 | ljp | spped qcop up, that is |
| 22:13.44 | Neo|Work | will you fix the retarded "make clean"? :) |
| 22:14.40 | kergoth | gb2: man-pages is what, just the kernel man pages, or the glibc ones as well? |
| 22:14.58 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ? |
| 22:15.23 | kergoth | hmm, ldconfig's man page is in man-pages |
| 22:15.28 | kergoth | why wouldnt that be in glibc proper? |
| 22:15.46 | kergoth | oh well |
| 22:15.59 | ljp | mmm espresso |
| 22:15.59 | Neo|Work | kergoth: ment for ljp |
| 22:16.10 | Neo|Work | i.e make clean => make distclean and add a real make clean |
| 22:16.14 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ah k |
| 22:17.03 | pb_ | kergoth: mm, ldconfig manpage is in the libc6 package in debian. |
| 22:17.38 | kergoth | pb_: hmm. |
| 22:17.54 | kergoth | ldconfig.8 isnt in the glibc sources |
| 22:17.58 | kergoth | ugh, more interpackage madness |
| 22:18.04 | kergoth | well, i'll leave it in man-pages for now |
| 22:18.11 | pb_ | kergoth: no, glibc upstream doesn't ship any manpages. GNU despises them, favours info. |
| 22:18.41 | kergoth | guess i could make man-pages output a glibc-doc or glibc-man package |
| 22:18.50 | kergoth | since we're pursuing high granularity, that wont be a problem |
| 22:18.58 | kergoth | oh well. next... |
| 22:19.15 | pb_ | do you use the debian-patched glibc, or sources straight from upstream? |
| 22:19.31 | treke_ | ~lart ipkg for losing files |
| 22:19.33 | kergoth | upstream + debian patchset cached in our repos |
| 22:19.37 | kergoth | + some patches of our own |
| 22:19.44 | pb_ | ah right |
| 22:19.50 | ljp | Neo|Work: I have been told that a new build system will be used in the next qtopia |
| 22:20.52 | ljp | Neo|Work: internal and external builds are different. they use qmake internally |
| 22:21.01 | kergoth | *cough*dumbasses*cough* |
| 22:21.06 | ljp | :) |
| 22:21.42 | MSpin | grrr..still no TS |
| 22:21.59 | kergoth | jeeze content is getting ugly |
| 22:22.03 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i'll say |
| 22:22.04 | kergoth | definately need to restructure packages/ soon |
| 22:24.10 | kergoth | i'll add a new var |
| 22:24.12 | kergoth | FN |
| 22:24.18 | kergoth | that shows the filename thats being parsed |
| 22:24.22 | kergoth | i.e. .oe filename with path |
| 22:24.31 | kergoth | so that we can rip off the path to it and use that for FILESDIR as well |
| 22:24.41 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:27.46 | kergoth | ugh |
| 22:27.52 | kergoth | ifupdown-roam's only upstream is a .deb file |
| 22:27.53 | kergoth | no tarball |
| 22:28.54 | pb_ | hah |
| 22:37.53 | CIA | repository=03buildroot user=11lpotter@polarbear.trolltech.com.au |
| 22:37.53 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.1349 qtopia specific things. |
| 22:38.15 | kergoth | heh, redhat ships /sbin/ifup in 'initscripts' |
| 22:38.23 | kergoth | am i the only one who finds that a bit odd? |
| 22:39.28 | ljp | redhat is a bit odd |
| 22:39.32 | kergoth | point taken |
| 22:39.40 | kergoth | even so. |
| 22:40.55 | kergoth | doc is unnecessary in packages |
| 22:41.01 | kergoth | test can be a seperate repository |
| 22:41.44 | kergoth | any objections to moving the content/* up a level? |
| 22:42.37 | kergoth | you know whatd be cool.. is if bk cp could copy a file and its metadata from one repos to another |
| 22:43.03 | ljp | yes. that might destroy the known world and all humanity! |
| 22:43.38 | kergoth | yay |
| 22:43.40 | kergoth | or something |
| 22:44.09 | kergoth | woah |
| 22:44.11 | kergoth | it can! |
| 22:44.17 | ljp | cool |
| 22:44.24 | kergoth | thats so badass. |
| 22:44.27 | ljp | sicko |
| 22:44.29 | kergoth | woot. |
| 22:45.37 | ljp | A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its |
| 22:45.37 | ljp | recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: |
| 22:45.37 | ljp | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.37 | ljp | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.05 | ljp | whazz up wid' that? |
| 22:46.13 | kergoth | there is no openzaurus-bklogs |
| 22:46.21 | kergoth | theres openzaurus-cvslogs and theres openembedded-bklogs |
| 22:46.24 | kergoth | whats that coming from? |
| 22:46.50 | ljp | dunno. my buildroot push I guess |
| 22:48.10 | ljp | maybe I signed up for some non existant ml |
| 22:48.15 | kergoth | hmmk |
| 22:48.22 | kergoth | nah, probably a bug in the post outgoing scripts |
| 22:48.24 | kergoth | i'll take care of it |
| 22:49.38 | ljp | I am thinking I should just add wlan-ng2 package |
| 22:51.05 | ljp | that way, I dont have to mess with the way wlan-ng works for zaurus/sharp |
| 22:52.04 | ljp | or use linux-wlan-ng |
| 22:58.49 | ljp | do I have to bk add new directories? or just the files it contains? |
| 22:59.20 | kergoth | just the files it contains |
| 23:01.15 | ljp | ahh, maybe bk add is obsoleted by bk new. thats why it isnt in helptool |
| 23:03.38 | kergoth | ahh |
| 23:04.32 | kergoth | whee |
| 23:04.36 | kergoth | yay for cleaner packages repos |
| 23:06.02 | ljp | can buildroot or oe make an x86 rootfs? |
| 23:06.41 | kergoth | buildroot should |
| 23:06.53 | kergoth | oe itself can, not sure about the things its building |
| 23:07.21 | ljp | hmm, maybe I'll use oz for my qtopia businesscard demo cd |
| 23:08.00 | kergoth | resolve: found 266 renames in pass 1 |
| 23:08.00 | kergoth | resolve: resolved 266 renames in pass 2 |
| 23:08.00 | kergoth | resolve: applied 316 files in pass 4 |
| 23:08.01 | kergoth | heh. |
| 23:14.35 | treke_ | kergoth: you have an email address for sash? |
| 23:15.56 | kergoth | actually yeah |
| 23:15.59 | kergoth | surprisingly enough |
| 23:16.02 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.18 | kergoth | he had emailed me an early revision of his modified updater.sh stuff |
| 23:16.21 | treke_ | cool. thanks |
| 23:16.22 | kergoth | np |
| 23:16.34 | kergoth | i really need to clean my inbox. |
| 23:16.35 | treke_ | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.7340.png |
| 23:16.55 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:17.06 | kergoth | so ready to add gtk2 to OE yet? |
| 23:17.10 | treke_ | hehe. |
| 23:17.22 | kergoth | i still have that damn libtool issue |
| 23:17.26 | kergoth | the one thats breaking pcre install |
| 23:17.31 | treke_ | now that I know how to fix the X build on buildroot I can try and do X |
| 23:17.33 | kergoth | need to iron those out before taking on anything .. worse |
| 23:17.38 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:18.19 | kergoth | treke_: packages now has one dir per PN |
| 23:18.28 | kergoth | treke_: and content/ is gone, moved it up a level |
| 23:18.32 | kergoth | should be more copmrehensible |
| 23:18.42 | kergoth | just echo OEFILES=${TOPDIR}/*/*.oe >> conf/local.conf |
| 23:18.49 | kergoth | then oemake blah |
| 23:19.31 | treke_ | cool. gpe-login works |
| 23:19.36 | pb_ | rock. |
| 23:19.50 | treke_ | I just didn't install gpe-dm |
| 23:20.01 | treke_ | using mallums nullxdm |
| 23:20.13 | pb_ | ah right |
| 23:20.26 | treke_ | and it didnt launch gpe correctly :p |
| 23:20.43 | pb_ | suck |
| 23:20.45 | pb_ | what went wrong? |
| 23:20.51 | treke_ | not sure |
| 23:21.07 | treke_ | hmm "Record recalibrates touchscreen" |
| 23:21.07 | pb_ | does nullxdm do all the Xinit.d stuff? |
| 23:21.10 | treke_ | which one is record :p |
| 23:21.39 | pb_ | whichever button is mapped to XF86AudioRecord in your xserver's keymap |
| 23:21.54 | *** join/#openembedded mikejl (~mike@144.139.63.89) |
| 23:22.12 | pb_ | I guess we could make that configurable if the Z doesn't have a record button. |
| 23:22.19 | treke_ | it runs the scripts in Xinit.d and Xsession.d |
| 23:22.31 | pb_ | should be ok then. |
| 23:22.52 | pb_ | can you describe the way in which it didn't launch correctly? |
| 23:23.31 | treke_ | Yeah I can. After gpe-login tried logging me in, I ended up with a plain gray screen. no wm |
| 23:23.58 | pb_ | Bizarre. |
| 23:24.03 | pb_ | Does your .xsession-errors file have any clues? |
| 23:24.06 | treke_ | trying gpe-dm now |
| 23:25.06 | pb_ | sounds like it wasn't able to start x-window-manager for some reason. |
| 23:26.16 | treke_ | wtf |
| 23:26.33 | treke_ | /usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap: error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 23:26.42 | treke_ | I was running X a second ago :p |
| 23:26.50 | treke_ | surely gpe uses libX11.so.6 :p |
| 23:27.02 | pb_ | do you have /usr/X11R6/lib in ld.so.conf? |
| 23:27.24 | pb_ | if not, you'll have to move the libraries to /usr/lib or some other more wholesome location. |
| 23:27.38 | treke_ | bah. I bet nullxdm was adding that to LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 23:27.45 | pb_ | ugh |
| 23:31.39 | treke_ | _XSERVTransSocketINETCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed |
| 23:31.39 | treke_ | _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: server already running |
| 23:31.41 | treke_ | hrm |
| 23:32.08 | pb_ | did you fix the /etc/X11/X script to not run the server in the background? |
| 23:32.18 | treke_ | ah |
| 23:32.19 | treke_ | no I didnt |
| 23:32.25 | pb_ | best do that then |
| 23:32.51 | pb_ | if that process exits, gpe-dm will think the server crashed and try to start it again. |
| 23:34.28 | treke_ | getting better. X is ctually dying though |
| 23:34.52 | treke_ | time to debug and see where |
| 23:37.17 | CIA | repository=03buildroot user=11lpotter@polarbear.trolltech.com.au |
| 23:37.17 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.1350 trolltech's corn flakes are delicious. wlan-ng2 |
| 23:38.11 | pb_ | ah, right |
| 23:38.42 | treke_ | it's weird |
| 23:38.51 | treke_ | the server process is running, but it isnt on screen |
| 23:39.05 | treke_ | hmm. it's changing vt's on me |
| 23:39.15 | pb_ | weird. |
| 23:39.56 | ljp | kergoth`bbl: from my bk push-> Sending notification mail to openzaurus-bklogs@lists.sourceforge.net... |
| 23:40.48 | ljp | heh, there's a town here named Gympie |
| 23:44.33 | treke_ | kergoth`bbl: you think we have enough flexibility in oe to build tslib? |
| 23:59.29 | lumi | 1 |
