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| 01:25.16 | bipolar | ,,,0.o,,, |
| 01:25.42 | ljp | hey bipolar |
| 01:38.56 | bipolar | nothing like a one hour Microsoft add to make you feel like you need a shower... |
| 01:50.21 | chouimat | bipolar: what about 8 hours of pure sex? |
| 01:52.00 | ljp | depends on the other person |
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| 02:01.52 | chouimat | night |
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| 02:35.03 | kergoth | hey |
| 02:35.18 | treke|home | yo kergoth |
| 02:35.35 | kergoth | i love it when i get off my ass and cook something other than pizza and pot pies |
| 02:35.45 | treke|home | hehe |
| 02:35.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:35.53 | kergoth | doesnt happen often, but man, good stuff |
| 02:36.04 | treke|home | other than more pasta |
| 02:36.13 | chouimat | kergoth: I eat in arestaurant tonight ... |
| 02:36.23 | kergoth | yea, i went with pasta myself. penne rigate + grilled chicken + marinara |
| 02:36.27 | kergoth | still easy, but damn good |
| 02:36.30 | treke|home | mmmh |
| 02:36.59 | kergoth | yeh know how that is |
| 02:37.21 | kergoth | that linkers & loaders book is pretty good. anyone who's missing a solid knowledge of it should check it out |
| 02:37.26 | kergoth | was one of my real weak points |
| 02:38.11 | treke|home | anyone who wants a solid knowledge of linkers and loaders should check out a psychiatrist |
| 02:38.19 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:42.48 | ljp | there's something else to eat besides pizza? |
| 02:43.08 | treke|home | beer |
| 02:43.46 | kergoth | pussy? |
| 02:43.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:44.06 | treke|home | I suppose we got all the biggies |
| 02:44.14 | kergoth | yeah, exactly |
| 02:44.41 | chouimat | ljp: actually yes ... poutine ... hamburger ... goulash etc ... |
| 02:54.02 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 02:59.26 | Pendalar | kergoth apparently didn't read the women using linux how-to at tldp.org |
| 03:00.15 | Pendalar | and you can mind read all the users? |
| 03:00.53 | kergoth | nope |
| 03:01.02 | ljp | yes he can |
| 03:01.05 | kergoth | but people already know i'm an asshole, so its not like its unexpected. |
| 03:01.42 | Pendalar | you're not an asshole, you are a bitter elite techie |
| 03:02.14 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:03.17 | bipolar | God... I wish my wifes friends would leave so we can get to bed. |
| 03:04.05 | Pendalar | heh you are actually reading it? |
| 03:04.20 | treke|home | mostly skimming it |
| 03:05.28 | treke|home | Pendalar: we should treat them like normal people but we should also be particarly supportive and helpful towards women |
| 03:05.54 | kergoth | aha |
| 03:05.57 | kergoth | uh, yeah. |
| 03:07.56 | Pendalar | yes like normal people |
| 03:08.05 | Pendalar | like, being the key word |
| 03:08.30 | Pendalar | kinda funny how it implies the opposite of what it's preaching |
| 03:08.46 | treke|home | We arent doing to bad, I think we've only horribly offended one woman |
| 03:09.16 | kergoth | course only 2 or so have ever spoken up and been around, to my knowlege |
| 03:09.19 | kergoth | so we're at 50% |
| 03:09.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:10.03 | Pendalar | it's my general opinion that at least wives should be disallowed from learning linux unless they have their own comp |
| 03:10.06 | treke|home | didnt know there was more than one :) |
| 03:10.13 | Pendalar | so that the male has dibs on using the box |
| 03:10.32 | Pendalar | works for me anyways, wife has 0 computer interest after I put linux on it |
| 03:10.39 | Pendalar | no more fighting ;-) |
| 03:10.53 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:10.57 | Pendalar | she was always using my Palm PDAs.. I switch, she leaves it alone now |
| 03:11.15 | kergoth | my mom wanted to browse the web when they were here |
| 03:11.19 | kergoth | all i have are linux boxes |
| 03:11.23 | kergoth | so i opened mozilla |
| 03:11.32 | kergoth | first thing she asks.. is reload the same as refresh? |
| 03:11.45 | Pendalar | heh |
| 03:11.50 | Pendalar | no it means restart the program |
| 03:11.50 | treke|home | most people would be more or less lost at my desktop |
| 03:11.53 | Pendalar | in case of problems |
| 03:12.20 | kergoth | treke|home: windows users dont think to click on the desktop to get anywhere |
| 03:12.27 | kergoth | so lots and lots of WMs are ruled out pretty fast |
| 03:12.31 | kergoth | including flux |
| 03:12.38 | ljp | 'reload will reload the OS from the install cd, incase you must..' |
| 03:13.06 | treke|home | kergoth: when i'm running ion they are in even more trouble |
| 03:13.20 | Pendalar | I like flux |
| 03:13.24 | kergoth | treke|home: hehe, was thinking that |
| 03:13.30 | Pendalar | s'what I'm using most lately |
| 03:13.40 | treke|home | unless they think to press f2 :p |
| 03:13.53 | treke|home | which gives them an oh so useful xterm :p |
| 03:13.56 | Pendalar | I have yet to try ion |
| 03:14.00 | Pendalar | sounds tempting |
| 03:15.17 | treke|home | Pendalar: it's an acquired taste :p |
| 03:16.06 | ljp | treke really uses that 3d wm |
| 03:16.09 | Pendalar | I know relatively little about it |
| 03:16.14 | treke|home | http://treke.net/images/screenshot.jpg |
| 03:17.24 | ljp | "Please fix my laptop" |
| 03:17.32 | treke|home | ljp: yup |
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| 03:18.25 | ljp | looks very minimal |
| 03:19.40 | kergoth | therein lies its charm, i'd say. |
| 03:21.00 | ljp | where's the flying, rotating 3d desktops? |
| 03:24.49 | treke|home | the programmers are too busy playing with them to release it |
| 03:28.12 | gb2 | kergoth: what linkers/loaders book have you been reading? |
| 03:28.35 | kergoth | linkers & loaders by John R Levine |
| 03:28.50 | treke|home | <gb2> that one is full of shit |
| 03:28.57 | gb2 | heh |
| 03:29.07 | gb2 | i actually would like to learn a little about linking |
| 03:29.17 | gb2 | i don't think i want to learn compiling though |
| 03:29.24 | kergoth | its one of those topics thats always mentioned implicitly, but rarely explicitly |
| 03:29.43 | gb2 | that's going a little beyond what i'd actually endup using |
| 03:29.43 | kergoth | bbl, gonna read a book for a while |
| 03:30.08 | gb2 | woah |
| 03:30.13 | gb2 | i've seen that cover |
| 03:30.21 | gb2 | i think one of my coworkers must have it |
| 03:30.26 | gb2 | must have seen it on their desk |
| 03:33.27 | ljp | or maybe you just had a dream about linkers and loaders |
| 03:33.27 | gb2 | i have a couple interesting ideas on hardware/software debugging stemming out of how user-mode linux works and thinking through my ideas i discovered i need a little bit more knowledge about how linking works before i can actually implement my plan. |
| 03:33.52 | gb2 | ljp: well, the desk i remember it sitting on fits for what that coworker does |
| 03:33.58 | gb2 | so i actually think it's sitting on his desk |
| 03:34.01 | ljp | knowledge about linkers and loaders can easily lead to insanity |
| 03:34.33 | gb2 | oh, my debugging tool idea is totally insane |
| 03:34.37 | gb2 | i freely admit that |
| 03:35.14 | treke|home | gb2: If you read that book you will no longer be allowed to shave |
| 03:35.46 | gb2 | heh |
| 03:36.08 | gb2 | wow, leno has 90 candidates in his audience |
| 03:39.45 | treke|home | gaaaaah |
| 03:40.01 | treke|home | someone forgot to take the loopback of the line and I cant try bringing up the line :( |
| 03:41.30 | gb2 | i had that problem once |
| 03:41.47 | gb2 | it wouldn't respond to the remote unloop command either |
| 03:42.19 | treke|home | verizon finally admited to our line being screwed up and sent someone out to repair it. |
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| 03:43.07 | gb2 | http://www.bash.org/?84803 |
| 03:43.13 | treke|home | Oddly enough we had the same problem last week, but they were claiming it was fine and they had just tested the wrong line :p |
| 03:43.44 | ljp | idiots |
| 03:45.36 | gb2 | verizon screwed my home line a month or two ago |
| 03:46.04 | gb2 | dialtone kept vanishing |
| 03:46.08 | gb2 | and the dsl would go away |
| 03:46.18 | gb2 | they eventually swaped pairs |
| 03:46.22 | gb2 | but only did it at my end |
| 03:46.25 | gb2 | not in the CO |
| 03:47.21 | gb2 | took a week to get the other end done |
| 03:47.35 | treke|home | if the people I've had to deal with are any indication, it's amazing that we aren't all still using pen and paper |
| 03:48.25 | gb2 | this was leading right up to the potential verizon strike too |
| 03:49.01 | ljp | just use walkie talkies |
| 03:49.04 | gb2 | i finally got a smart techsupport guy, he told me that the reason it wasn't fixed yet was that verizon laid off all the people who fix that sort of thing, and there are only 2 guys left. |
| 03:49.13 | treke|home | ha |
| 03:49.26 | gb2 | he said that the previous techs had filed the service ticket wrong |
| 03:49.38 | gb2 | he was fed up and told me that he's worked 6 years and it was time to leave |
| 03:49.49 | gb2 | so he was going to go out on a good note and actually help me and fix the ticket. |
| 03:50.10 | gb2 | so i'm worried now for what to do if the line fails again. |
| 03:50.17 | gb2 | since the last good verizon tech just quit |
| 03:50.20 | gb2 | :P |
| 03:50.29 | ljp | use cable |
| 03:50.37 | gb2 | comcast sucks ass |
| 03:50.42 | gb2 | my DSL isn't with verizon |
| 03:50.46 | gb2 | it's with speakeasy |
| 03:50.54 | gb2 | which is a covad reseller |
| 03:51.00 | treke|home | I think Scott Adams put it best |
| 03:51.01 | gb2 | verizon owns the copper though |
| 03:51.13 | gb2 | speakeasy lets me resell my internet if i want |
| 03:51.14 | treke|home | Cable companies are staffed by people who can't get a job with the phone companies |
| 03:51.28 | gb2 | and i have explicit permission in my service agreement to run commercial services |
| 03:52.15 | gb2 | speakeasy will also edit my reverse dns for me if i want reverse dns to work |
| 03:58.38 | gb2 | my parents have comcast cable and complain all the time. |
| 04:01.44 | treke|home | when I had mediaone cable, it wasnt unusual for it to go down for a few days before they'd admit to there being a problem |
| 04:03.52 | armenb | speakeasy now uses worldcom for some of its business, i believe |
| 04:04.06 | armenb | my adsl is through worldcom, not covad, afaik |
| 04:04.18 | armenb | my speakeasy adsl, rather. |
| 04:04.28 | gb2 | it's covad in the COs here |
| 04:04.37 | armenb | where are you? |
| 04:04.40 | gb2 | boston |
| 04:04.45 | armenb | heh |
| 04:04.49 | gb2 | ? |
| 04:04.50 | armenb | im in boston too |
| 04:04.54 | gb2 | where? |
| 04:04.55 | armenb | they have some worldcom here |
| 04:04.56 | gb2 | i'm on beacon hill |
| 04:05.03 | armenb | i'm in belmont |
| 04:05.08 | armenb | on the other side of cambridge |
| 04:05.09 | gb2 | i know my circuit is covad |
| 04:05.52 | gb2 | supposedly speakeasy's boston market is being upgraded from Oct. to Feb. |
| 04:05.58 | armenb | yeah, i had a covad circuit for more than 3 years. speakeasy offered me to cancel my 768/384 through covad for a free upgrade to 1.5/768 through worldcom. the pop is in nyc, though. |
| 04:06.19 | gb2 | i like the pop i'm routed through now |
| 04:06.24 | gb2 | very good connectivity |
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| 04:06.44 | gb2 | i have 1.5/384 on a covad link. |
| 04:06.52 | armenb | nod, speakeasy has pretty good connectivity in boston. |
| 04:06.57 | gb2 | i tried to get 1.5/768, but my line wasn't able to do it |
| 04:07.04 | gb2 | i think the wiring in beacon hill is just old |
| 04:09.01 | gb2 | supposedly speakeasy is going to be offering 3megabit downlinks soon here |
| 04:09.07 | gb2 | that will be nice |
| 04:09.12 | gb2 | if my line can do it |
| 04:09.20 | armenb | oh, cool. |
| 04:11.36 | gb2 | in late august they sent me mail saying i was going to be upgraded |
| 04:11.43 | gb2 | "So please stay tuned in September for more detailed, account-specific information regarding your circuit's |
| 04:11.46 | gb2 | scheduled upgrade." |
| 04:11.58 | gb2 | wonder if i'll actually get an update |
| 04:13.43 | armenb | cool |
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| 05:04.11 | Com[Plex] | anyonie familiar wwith what library I need to cure this error?; |
| 05:04.12 | Com[Plex] | bas: error while loading shared libraries: bas: undefined symbol: __umodsi3 |
| 05:05.44 | Com[Plex] | I compiled it on the skiff cluster |
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| 05:09.08 | treke|home | well shit. no loopbacks hooked up |
| 05:10.09 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 05:19.56 | treke|home | just me being annoyed by phone problems |
| 05:21.56 | fdask | work for a phone company? |
| 05:22.06 | treke|home | fdask: nope |
| 05:22.15 | treke|home | work for a school. our phones are out |
| 05:22.22 | fdask | oh nice! |
| 05:22.24 | fdask | hehe |
| 05:22.27 | fdask | >_< |
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| 05:27.35 | ljp | get a cel phone |
| 05:28.33 | treke|home | people are just kind of upset since our sales number doesnt work :p |
| 05:29.48 | ljp | bah! |
| 05:29.54 | ljp | sales schmales |
| 05:30.23 | ljp | whatever you sell, should be free, man |
| 05:31.07 | treke|home | It is |
| 05:31.29 | ljp | then why do you need a phone |
| 05:31.51 | treke|home | to convince people to give us money for something that is free :p |
| 05:33.43 | treke|home | which is pretty much what schools do :p |
| 05:34.07 | ljp | no, schools sell little pieces of paper |
| 06:21.20 | fdask | i put together a short little tutorial on starting with OE if anyones interested... |
| 06:21.21 | fdask | http://ffff.ca/projects/oe.html |
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| 07:16.01 | fdask | the local.conf where TARGET_ARCH is to be set, does that go in $OEDIR/conf/ ? or $OEDIR/packages/conf/? or both? |
| 07:16.49 | treke|home | fsck |
| 07:17.05 | treke|home | morons forgot to actually submit the trouble ticket I called in |
| 07:24.46 | ljp | ~lart morons |
| 07:30.51 | treke|home | oh well. Guess I have time to watch a movie before anything useful happens |
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| 07:31.24 | treke|home | mornin pb |
| 07:32.10 | pb_ | evening treke |
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| 08:43.18 | cmartin | hi mickeyl |
| 08:44.35 | treke|home | those lying sacks of shit |
| 08:45.05 | cmartin | will release 0.8.1 today - the uclibc built costed me a couple of hours yesterday - but it boots!! |
| 08:45.19 | cmartin | s/ that was for mickeyl |
| 08:46.40 | killefiz | cmartin: good news - you're not releasing opensimpad built against uclibc, are you? |
| 08:46.54 | BBMatthew | back now |
| 08:46.56 | cmartin | killefiz: not yet |
| 08:47.08 | cmartin | killefiz: too many open issues |
| 08:47.49 | mickeyl | cmartin: coolness. what |
| 08:47.54 | mickeyl | 's the biggest problem ? |
| 08:49.07 | cmartin | mickeyl: well, first off - opie doesn't seem to like not having irda and openobex - donno why |
| 08:49.24 | Twiun | And a good morn to ye all |
| 08:49.57 | cmartin | mickeyl: but after the "Touch anywhere..." screen comes and after touching goes again it takes about 5-10 min. for opie to get up if at all |
| 08:50.13 | cmartin | mickeyl: once i had to start opie manually |
| 08:50.37 | mickeyl | moin Twiun |
| 08:50.39 | cmartin | mickeyl: after opie is running almost all quicklauncher apps don't funktion |
| 08:51.41 | cmartin | mickeyl: but the build is ~ 2MB smaller (comparisons are hard since i couldn't include irda and openobex) |
| 08:52.42 | cmartin | mickeyl: remember glib doesn't build and for some reason opieobex is dependant on it, so i couldn't include that in the image |
| 08:54.31 | mickeyl | good for a first start |
| 08:54.34 | mickeyl | bbl, meeting |
| 08:54.36 | cmartin | mickeyl: that (irda) was also my problem with the minimal image - i don't think irda should be a must |
| 08:54.53 | mickeyl|bbl | cmartin: right. irda is not a must |
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| 09:29.43 | BBMatthew | mickeyl, hiya get my email? |
| 09:39.42 | mickeyl | BBMatthew: no |
| 09:39.53 | mickeyl | BBMatthew: but i'm drowning because of microsoft update messages... |
| 09:40.02 | mickeyl | maybe i accidantly deleted it |
| 09:40.14 | mickeyl | this virus is annoying |
| 09:41.11 | mickeyl | Twiun: no? lucky one |
| 09:42.00 | mickeyl | and while i can spot them easily, it is not easy to define a proper filter which wouldn't intercept valuable stuff |
| 09:42.19 | mickeyl | BBMatthew: did the CONFIG_OPTIMIZATION patch work for you? |
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| 09:43.33 | BBMatthew | its ok but there is a new dependency on a patch thats not in buildroot |
| 09:44.20 | mickeyl | already fixed that 20 minutes after the last time |
| 09:44.49 | mickeyl | don't you read CIA messages? ;) |
| 09:44.50 | BBMatthew | cool |
| 09:45.06 | BBMatthew | what are CIA messages? |
| 09:45.19 | mickeyl | the CIA bot announces buildroot changes in this channel |
| 09:46.07 | BBMatthew | otherwise great :) |
| 09:46.50 | mickeyl | good. thanks for spotting that. |
| 09:47.07 | mickeyl | you see, your participation on OZ already payed off ;) |
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| 09:53.08 | Holcxjo|lurking | [3~ |
| 09:54.10 | cmartin | mickeyl: k, the CL4 image is still 12.6MB, but it contains konq/e and wlan modules without the following though: |
| 09:55.44 | mickeyl | cmartin: did you leave out all the PIM stuff? I think the most people aren't interested in PIM on the SIMpad. So we could leave today,todo,datebook,addressbook etc. on the CL4 image out |
| 09:55.44 | cmartin | mickeyl: no scp, ethernet modules (except pcnet), irda, openobex, ide-module, vfat-modules, button-settings, launcher-settings, appearance |
| 09:56.13 | mickeyl | ouch. launcher-settings and appearance are important imo. |
| 09:56.23 | cmartin | mickeyl: none of those in the image - just konq/e and embeddedkonsole as apps |
| 09:56.24 | mickeyl | and ide-module and vfat-modules also - otherwise no cards. |
| 09:56.44 | mickeyl | we must make it pretty easy to install new software. so card support must be in IMO |
| 09:57.11 | mickeyl | ah well |
| 09:57.19 | mickeyl | CL4 has PCMCIA? |
| 09:57.28 | cmartin | mickeyl: yes, but the users wanted more space and a browser per default - they would have to install extra software via wget instead of cf or scp |
| 09:57.42 | cmartin | CL4 has no PCMCIA, but t-sinus does |
| 09:58.36 | mickeyl | okay, then vfat-modules and ide-modules make no sense on CL4 |
| 09:59.13 | mickeyl | you're right. general credo may be browser, konsole and everything needed to install additional stuff. |
| 09:59.51 | mickeyl | but i think, for demonstrating or users which want to take a look, a (nearly) full image would be useful |
| 10:00.39 | cmartin | mickeyl: yes, and installation would work with opie-aqpk or via wget/over usb |
| 10:01.49 | mickeyl | I need sysreq on SIMpad. |
| 10:02.16 | cmartin | mickeyl: why is launcher-settings important? -you can only choose which applet and tabs show up - doesn't seem too important to me |
| 10:02.16 | mickeyl | the keyboard driver sucks big times |
| 10:02.18 | mickeyl | s/keyboard/button |
| 10:04.12 | mickeyl | cmartin: agreed. |
| 10:04.20 | mickeyl | appearance however, is. |
| 10:04.27 | mickeyl | customization is what differenciates us from WinCE ! |
| 10:04.35 | mickeyl | (amongst a lot of other things) |
| 10:04.37 | cmartin | and appearance is only important if someone wants to change themes, which in this case would require installation of additional themes and styles (since i also only included "flat" in the image ;)) |
| 10:05.08 | cmartin | except of course for colors etc. |
| 10:05.15 | cmartin | yes |
| 10:05.36 | cmartin | but that is also preference and not really necessary |
| 10:05.49 | cmartin | don't worry the SL4 image will include all that |
| 10:06.36 | cmartin | it's just for those CL4/t-sinus Users who were constantly complaining about too little space and no browser |
| 10:07.51 | cmartin | i could install appearance in the image so that colors can be changed per default though |
| 10:07.59 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 10:08.44 | cmartin | so they will have an image with browser that's the same size as the last image without it |
| 10:10.29 | cmartin | but, like i said i removed ALL ethernet modules (except pcnet = ne2k) and only included ALL wlan modules (since i take for granted that all except CL4 will have wlan) |
| 10:10.54 | mickeyl | why did you keep pcnet in then? |
| 10:11.04 | mickeyl | if CL4 has no PCMCIA? |
| 10:11.25 | mickeyl | or will you release the same image for CL4 and T-Sinus? |
| 10:12.01 | cmartin | it's the most common for ne2k - should i remove it also? t-sinus has PCMCIA and probably most users of 16MB devices will have t-sinus |
| 10:13.03 | cmartin | i could of course make seperate CL4 and t-sinus images |
| 10:13.20 | mickeyl | cmartin: that may be more work, but would be appreciated by the users. |
| 10:13.35 | mickeyl | because CL4 really doesn't need any modules for pcmcia cards |
| 10:13.36 | cmartin | CL4 would include a lot of software and no ethernet and wlan modules since it has no PCMCIA anyways |
| 10:13.42 | mickeyl | yes |
| 10:14.05 | cmartin | it's just a "make image_menuconfig;make image" call more |
| 10:14.27 | mickeyl | good. btw., don't hesitate to put specialized images in def-configs |
| 10:14.36 | mickeyl | (configs, that is) |
| 10:15.27 | cmartin | yes, when i have the final configuration i will place them in def-configs as simpad-official-CL4 and the like, k? |
| 10:16.25 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 10:16.40 | mickeyl | append _image for image |
| 10:17.04 | cmartin | yes - it was just for the "official" example ;) |
| 10:17.34 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 10:18.45 | mickeyl | now if we would have that serial keyboard running... |
| 10:27.41 | mickeyl | anyone having connections to micah (picogui) ? |
| 10:27.43 | mickeyl | his site is down. |
| 10:33.52 | mickeyl | lunch time |
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| 10:44.03 | Holcxjo|lurking | Question re OZ buildroot: My .config has both CONFIG_QTOPIA and CONFIG_OPIE. When building the qte package, the Makefile tests for QTOPIA first and then sets SourceQtDirectory=src/qt but on my system it seems to require the OPIE setting SourceQtDirectory=qt ... what's at fault? |
| 11:08.12 | fdask | what are you building |
| 11:08.16 | fdask | which config did u use |
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| 11:39.54 | mickeyl | Holcxjo|lurking: CONFIG_OPIE + CONFIG_QTOPIA is not supported. Build them in different steps. |
| 11:40.24 | Holcxjo|lurking | Ah. Thanks. |
| 11:40.35 | Holcxjo|lurking | I didn't even realise I had both activated... |
| 11:40.45 | Holcxjo|lurking | ... until this cropped up... |
| 11:43.30 | CIA | repository=03buildroot user=11mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de |
| 11:43.31 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.1341 update libdirectfb to 0.9.19 |
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| 12:36.35 | Com[Plex] | IM interested! |
| 12:36.44 | Com[Plex] | lets see iot |
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| 13:17.03 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:21.26 | Holcxjo|lurking | Is there some information which Is there some information page/document that states which packages in the OZ buildroot are at any currently known to be broken? |
| 13:21.35 | Holcxjo|lurking | I understand vncserver is one of them... |
| 13:23.05 | Twiun | we're currently looking for a replacement webmaster/web developer - this kind of functionality was going to be implemented webside |
| 13:23.27 | Twiun | so at the moment, no, there isn't a list of working/non working packages |
| 13:23.49 | Holcxjo|lurking | Hm. A page in the Wiki would be enough given that this is probably changing quickly... |
| 13:25.54 | Twiun | the problem is then that the wiki has to be kept updated |
| 13:26.07 | Twiun | also remember we have 200+ packages |
| 13:26.19 | Twiun | an automated solution is more useful |
| 13:34.22 | gb2 | you also have interdependencies |
| 13:34.33 | gb2 | and multiple ways to build various packages |
| 13:35.15 | Twiun | that too |
| 13:35.42 | Twiun | something that does a smoke test on a regular basis (daily) and then posts the results on the site would be ideal |
| 13:36.40 | gb2 | a tinderbox setup to rotate through several known configurations |
| 13:37.02 | gb2 | ofcoruse.. it requires someone dedicating a build machine |
| 13:37.38 | Twiun | definately, and let's keep in mind that full builds take a good long time |
| 13:38.32 | gb2 | ccache |
| 13:38.33 | gb2 | ;) |
| 13:39.00 | gb2 | a ccache binutils+gcc(2 pass)+uclibc build takes me under 10 minutes |
| 13:39.15 | gb2 | ofcourse.. i'm on a 2.8gig hyperthreading p4 |
| 13:40.31 | Twiun | volunteering your box then? |
| 13:41.02 | chouimat | gb2: a the zaurus sl-5000d image take? |
| 13:44.17 | gb2 | chouimat: i'm not sure how long a whole image takes |
| 13:44.32 | gb2 | i built an image for my c760, but i had to stop/restart it a few times to fix problems |
| 13:44.45 | chouimat | gb2: but a uclibc image works? |
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| 13:44.49 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 13:44.59 | Com[Plex] | oh nos! I was a victim of a bad scroll. lol |
| 13:45.05 | gb2 | chouimat: heh, no. |
| 13:45.13 | gb2 | the uclibc stuff i built is for OE |
| 13:45.22 | chouimat | ok |
| 13:47.06 | gb2 | i'm actually working toward using OE to build an image for my router/accesspoint |
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| 13:50.45 | chouimat | morning prpplague |
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| 13:59.12 | BBMatthew | anyone built and used ipkg with gcc3 yet? I am just wondering if I should rebuild it with gcc2 to eliminate that cause |
| 14:02.56 | mickeyl | no problems here with gcc3 |
| 14:03.25 | mickeyl | i have the strong feeling your list index out of range problem has another source, but i don't know what. |
| 14:03.31 | mickeyl | s/what/which |
| 14:03.42 | mickeyl | it's just a feeling |
| 14:03.43 | BBMatthew | mickeyl, am now attempting to trace all the void_list_remove_elt: ERROR: element not found in list problems I am getting |
| 14:04.07 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 14:04.09 | BBMatthew | yeah , I think it won't be that easy. am just |
| 14:04.27 | mickeyl | try to downgrade ipkg. |
| 14:04.30 | BBMatthew | looking into the code of ipkg now to try to divine what causes it to throw that |
| 14:04.32 | mickeyl | maybe it is just the upstream |
| 14:04.47 | BBMatthew | mickeyl, any recommended version numbers? |
| 14:05.48 | mickeyl | for a long time, we successfully used |
| 14:06.01 | mickeyl | cvsdate = 20030623 |
| 14:06.29 | mickeyl | and prior to that V0-99-84 |
| 14:06.41 | BBMatthew | all I have to do is define $(cvsdate) in the package makefile |
| 14:06.43 | mickeyl | so change ipkg and ipkg-x86 to one of these and look if your problems go away |
| 14:06.53 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 14:07.12 | mickeyl | BBMatthew: or use bitkeeper to downgrade one rev |
| 14:07.33 | mickeyl | e.g. 'bk get -p -r1.85 Makefile' |
| 14:07.41 | mickeyl | must leave |
| 14:07.42 | mickeyl | bbl |
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| 14:08.18 | chouimat | hi tim |
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| 14:30.11 | icefox | Anyone have any idea where I could find docs on input_event in linux? Searching on google is pointless as it returns simply mailinglist discusions about compile errors |
| 14:31.58 | gb2 | icefox: linux/Documentation/input/input-programming.txt |
| 14:32.18 | gb2 | and <linux/input.h> |
| 14:32.25 | icefox | many thanks |
| 14:32.41 | gb2 | it's sorta lacking, but the source is clean enough to use as docs |
| 14:32.52 | gb2 | and it's simple enough that experimenting with it should be easy |
| 14:33.32 | BBMatthew | brb! |
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| 15:10.45 | treke | mornin |
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| 15:12.32 | Twiun | hey treke |
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| 15:18.01 | BBMatthew | how odd |
| 15:18.10 | BBMatthew | never mind |
| 15:18.16 | BBMatthew | ibot seen mickeyl |
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| 15:20.02 | icefox | Anyone know if there are docs on the /etc/pointercal file? |
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| 15:30.03 | BBMatthew | ibot breadbox |
| 15:30.05 | | breadbox is probably smaller than a large breadbox but larger than a small breadbox. Some people keep bread in a breadbox, others get thousands of loaves of bread and make a box out of them in which they sleep until the bread goes mouldy then they need to call the council to condemn it but instead of condemning it they put you away in a box not made of bread but they do get the bread which they then feed you from a box which might just |
| 15:33.05 | kergoth | hmm, would be nice to allow dereferencing vars within the assignment |
| 15:33.09 | kergoth | FILES_${PN}=* |
| 15:34.26 | kergoth | FILES_${PN}-docs=${datadir}/doc ${mandir} |
| 15:34.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:37.56 | kergoth | that brings to mind a question, does subpackage file propogation _move_ them, or copy them. does it allow multiple packages to contain the same file |
| 15:37.59 | kergoth | should check debian's impll |
| 15:38.02 | kergoth | s/l$// |
| 15:40.41 | cmartin | bbl |
| 15:44.41 | Twiun | anyone use UML design tools? |
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| 16:02.15 | icefox | bla, still lost. Can anyone point me to where I can find out more about /etc/pointercal? |
| 16:04.31 | icefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.31 | icefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.39 | icefox | Can the variables be more vegue? |
| 16:04.44 | treke | yes |
| 16:04.53 | treke | int a_, _a, _a_; |
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| 16:05.39 | kergoth | icefox: 5 calibration constants and a scaling factor. |
| 16:06.56 | BBMatthew | gah cracked the ipkg problem only for a new one: the keyboard is now not typing into opie but the root term behind it with a completely broken keymap. any suggestions? |
| 16:07.21 | kergoth | icefox: the scaling factor is due to the fact that the constants arent integers, it scales them up so we dont lose the fractional component. I dont think qt's calibration algo is documented anywhere, but it should be fairly straightforward. |
| 16:07.35 | icefox | bingo! |
| 16:07.44 | icefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.44 | icefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.50 | icefox | qwsmouse_qws.cpp |
| 16:07.58 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:08.18 | kergoth | the linear transform is the same in every calibration i've seen, only difference is how they get the values |
| 16:08.31 | kergoth | theres a pretty good article on embedded.com outlining one such algo and its use |
| 16:08.35 | kergoth | and why its necessary, etc |
| 16:08.42 | icefox | cool |
| 16:14.06 | BBMatthew | hm problem has solved itself |
| 16:21.17 | bipolar | ,,,0.o,,, |
| 16:34.04 | mithro | coolies - citrix's music transport is so much better then microsofts |
| 16:36.08 | treke | what else is new :p |
| 16:36.35 | mithro | he he - i'm just playing with Citrix and RDP |
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| 16:36.44 | mithro | trying to get stuff working on my Z |
| 16:37.35 | mithro | also waiting for an email from RackForce |
| 16:41.16 | treke | probably not at all in qtopia |
| 16:43.21 | prpplague | mithro: rdesktop works well under arm |
| 16:43.33 | mithro | it's not that all evil - its a good way to support crappy evil windows legacy applications |
| 16:43.40 | mithro | prpplague: yeah already tried that |
| 16:43.49 | mithro | only it doesn't support arbitary screen sizes |
| 16:44.02 | mithro | so i get like a little bit of the screen cut off |
| 16:44.45 | prpplague | mithro: rdesktop has a full screen mode |
| 16:44.51 | prpplague | mithro: that doesn't work? |
| 16:46.00 | mithro | yeah but i don't want to run it in full screen mode :) i want both |
| 16:46.13 | mithro | so i want a screen size of like 600x400 |
| 16:50.38 | mithro | Now Citrix does have an arm ICAclient, but it uses motif |
| 16:50.39 | mithro | > widgets (or lesstif) :( |
| 16:51.18 | mithro | but there does seem to be an java client |
| 16:52.46 | prpplague | mithro: you can't hack rdesktop for odd resolutions? |
| 16:53.18 | mithro | no - it's actually a problem with RDP |
| 16:53.32 | mithro | RDP 4.0 doesn't do weird resolutions well |
| 16:53.47 | prpplague | mithro: ahh |
| 16:54.01 | mithro | i belive 5.1 supports it |
| 16:54.04 | BBMatthew | grr, silly question but when you install outside the root fs isn't ipkg supposed to link the bits to the right places or is that asking too much |
| 16:54.08 | mithro | but rdesktop doesn't support 5.1 |
| 16:54.17 | mithro | ipkg-link |
| 16:54.27 | bipolar | BBMatthewL ipkg does not. ipkg-link does. |
| 16:57.50 | BBMatthew | gotcha |
| 16:58.45 | BBMatthew | quality, downgrading ipkg solved the problems I was getting, don't know why |
| 16:59.13 | gb2 | kergoth: redhat's is explicit file lists for every package. |
| 16:59.23 | gb2 | kergoth: and subpackage |
| 16:59.31 | gb2 | and you can have both contain the same file |
| 16:59.50 | gb2 | and both can be installed too (provided the md5sum of the file matches) |
| 17:01.38 | kergoth | figured |
| 17:01.41 | kergoth | thanks |
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| 17:23.27 | BBMatthew | debian have updated ifupdown to 0.6.4-4.6 |
| 17:34.17 | treke | shoot |
| 17:34.23 | treke | looks like I have to take a vacation |
| 17:36.58 | BBMatthew | bummer |
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| 17:43.33 | gb2 | treke: that sucks |
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| 17:50.55 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.55 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.58 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:51.19 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:51.23 | treke | ha |
| 17:51.59 | gb2 | kregoth: i've found software which required stuff like that to work |
| 17:52.15 | gb2 | kergoth: i usually put a comment like: /* There be dragons here, don't touch. */ |
| 17:53.23 | pb_ | gb2: I think that's what we call a compiler bug. |
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| 18:00.16 | gb2 | pb: i've found some things to be stack corruption which those sorts of things work around :| |
| 18:00.29 | gb2 | libasound for example has things like that |
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| 18:14.34 | BBMatthew | gnight |
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| 18:15.32 | kergoth | gb2: you think we should have default package granularity? i.e. default the FILES_${PN}-doc to be ${datadir}/doc and ${mandir}? |
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| 18:35.13 | Com[Plex] | *sigh* |
| 18:35.51 | kergoth | problems? |
| 18:36.19 | Com[Plex] | nah.. I jsut need mroe sleep. |
| 18:36.45 | Com[Plex] | I guess I should take a nap, and then get cracking on this,. |
| 18:36.46 | Com[Plex] | http://ffff.ca/projects/oe.html |
| 18:37.04 | Com[Plex] | ahh shit. I gotta work on a web page first. bleh |
| 18:37.06 | Com[Plex] | I hate html |
| 18:37.29 | gb2 | kergoth: that would probably be nice |
| 18:38.23 | gb2 | kergoth: should be overridable though |
| 18:40.25 | kergoth | gb2: of course. just defaults for oe.conf or base.oeclass. |
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| 19:00.34 | SuKo|Shi | hi |
| 19:02.12 | CAMCAM | hi |
| 19:03.01 | gb2 | hi |
| 19:03.37 | gila | hi |
| 19:03.38 | gila | :P |
| 19:03.59 | gila | anyone here uses CAN ? |
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| 19:33.22 | Com[Plex] | they have bitkeeper for arm? |
| 19:33.32 | Com[Plex] | impressive |
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| 19:48.49 | Holcxjo | Hmmm. Installing bash to the sd card (or anywhere non-ROM) immediately calls "/usr/bin/update-alternatives --install /bin/sh sh /bin/bash 300" in the postinst script which replaces /bin/sh with a link to the yet non-existent /bin/bash . Too bad ipkg-link is a shell script that wants /bin/sh... |
| 19:48.51 | Holcxjo | Known problem? |
| 19:50.35 | Holcxjo | ibot: bash |
| 19:50.36 | | sh-compatible command language interpreter. URL: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/ |
| 19:50.47 | Holcxjo | ibot: bash install |
| 19:50.48 | | Holcxjo: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 19:50.54 | kergoth | yep, known bug, should probably remove the upd-alt call completely. |
| 19:51.01 | kergoth | particularly in the removable media case |
| 19:51.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:53.11 | Holcxjo | Thanks, kergoth |
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| 20:12.52 | icefox | Anyone here happen to know of how your application can be notified if any other app crashes so it can be logged? |
| 20:14.16 | treke | kergoth: ready for another openssh upgrade? :p |
| 20:14.22 | icefox | yah just saw |
| 20:14.39 | fdask | 3.7.1? |
| 20:15.18 | treke | 3.7.1p2 |
| 20:17.41 | fdask | hrmm |
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| 20:31.55 | kergoth | treke: arg. |
| 20:33.43 | Twiun | treke: when it rains, it pours eh? |
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| 20:44.04 | kergoth | heh, i added the default package granularity |
| 20:44.07 | kergoth | fun |
| 20:44.53 | treke|home | Twiun: hehe. They'll fix the bug one of these days |
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| 20:46.28 | darkschneider | lo all |
| 20:46.42 | darkschneider | i think i found a small glitch in buildroot |
| 20:47.14 | darkschneider | under packake/glibc/config.in i suspect there is a missing () in the last statement |
| 20:48.04 | treke|home | looks fine here |
| 20:48.29 | treke|home | include $(TOPDIR)/Rules.make |
| 20:48.37 | treke|home | err |
| 20:48.44 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.05 | darkschneider | shouldn't it be (! PREFERGCC3) |
| 20:49.23 | darkschneider | because with that it works.. wihtout it downalod the wrong version... |
| 20:49.40 | darkschneider | at least that my experience of 5 mins ago... |
| 20:51.40 | treke|home | last change was 5 weeks ago |
| 20:51.45 | treke|home | I've built it many times since |
| 20:52.55 | kergoth | treke: you'd only see the problem if buildroot has both gcc2 and gcc3 enabled, with prefergcc3, and you had glibc 2.2.5 previously selected |
| 20:53.00 | kergoth | it woudltn automatically unselect it for you |
| 20:53.05 | treke|home | Ah |
| 20:53.08 | kergoth | so its possible we havent hit it. |
| 20:57.27 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:57.28 | kergoth | i wonder |
| 20:57.31 | kergoth | in the case of a var like |
| 20:57.36 | kergoth | FILES_${PN}=something |
| 20:57.43 | kergoth | i wonder _when_ it should expand that. |
| 20:58.47 | treke|home | during lunch |
| 20:58.58 | kergoth | speaking of which, i skipped mine again |
| 20:59.08 | kergoth | ah well, get off an hour earlier, i'll wait |
| 20:59.11 | kergoth | already 4 |
| 20:59.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:59.41 | kergoth | bastard |
| 20:59.53 | kergoth | i attempted to get up earlier, but failed miserably |
| 20:59.56 | treke|home | of course I got stuck working till 2 last night :p |
| 21:00.06 | kergoth | ah, heh |
| 21:01.40 | Neo|Work | I usually take 15 or 30 minute lunch (with nothing in between since the time report system only has 15 minute increments - lame :-) |
| 21:02.25 | darkschneider | lol.. i filed too to get up.. until someoen called me on phone.. |
| 21:02.43 | darkschneider | s/files/failed |
| 21:02.54 | kergoth | -rw-r--r-- 1 kergoth kergoth 2379656 Sep 23 16:02 glibc-2.3.2-r0.tar.gz |
| 21:02.56 | kergoth | -rw-r--r-- 1 kergoth kergoth 3056 Sep 23 16:02 glibc-dev-2.3.2-r0.tar.gz |
| 21:02.59 | kergoth | spiffy. |
| 21:03.02 | gb2 | kergoth: i skipped lunch too, and managed to get in at a reasonable time. |
| 21:03.06 | kergoth | the automatic increase in package granularity works |
| 21:03.15 | kergoth | yay for saving time |
| 21:03.22 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 21:03.24 | gb2 | kergoth: cool. |
| 21:03.29 | treke|home | Neo|Work: how's ti treating you? |
| 21:03.37 | gb2 | kergoth: how does it determine -dev ? |
| 21:03.52 | gb2 | include, lib/*.{a,so} ? |
| 21:04.04 | Neo|Work | Not bad, not bad at all |
| 21:04.13 | gb2 | and the normal one is lib/*.so.* and everything else? |
| 21:04.14 | kergoth | gb2: FILES_${PN}-dev=${libdir}/*.{a,la,so} ${libdir}/pkgconfig ${includedir} |
| 21:04.17 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:04.23 | gb2 | *nod* |
| 21:04.28 | gb2 | right, that 5pm thing |
| 21:04.48 | treke|home | kergoth: what about ${bindir}/*-config? |
| 21:05.50 | kergoth | treke|home: ah, good idea |
| 21:06.02 | kergoth | this is just a default, but may as well have it as all enclusive as possible |
| 21:06.07 | treke|home | that one is kind of iffy, but shouldnt break too often |
| 21:06.18 | kergoth | the less we have to set manually, the slimmer the .oe files normally are the better |
| 21:06.24 | treke|home | yeah |
| 21:07.38 | treke|home | reported it to bitmover? |
| 21:07.51 | kergoth | nah, keep forgetting |
| 21:08.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:09.12 | kergoth | heh, i just noticed the packaging code doesnt strip anything. |
| 21:11.39 | treke|home | is that better? |
| 21:14.38 | kergoth | NO |
| 21:14.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:19.35 | kergoth | oops |
| 21:19.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:19.51 | kergoth | i'd done the files in libdir, but not in /lib, which is independent since its outside of prefix |
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| 21:26.15 | ljp | Istill cant get opie to compile.. not in buildroot |
| 21:26.46 | ljp | frickin calibrate |
| 21:28.39 | ljp | undefined reference, my ass |
| 21:28.40 | darkschneider | lol fortune cookies menu is the thing that makes me go on in the new menuconfig :P i did not noticed that first time.. |
| 21:29.07 | treke|home | reference to what? |
| 21:41.00 | mickeyl | ibot: botmail for cmartin: how 'bout adding our new bootlogo to the release news on the announcement site? I uploaded a png to http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSimpad |
| 21:41.56 | kergoth | and theres glibc compile #9 of the day |
| 21:42.01 | kergoth | are we having fun yet.. |
| 21:42.55 | kergoth | glibc sure takes a long-ass time even with ccache |
| 21:43.05 | gb2 | glibc is a lot of generated code |
| 21:43.24 | kergoth | yeah. oh well |
| 21:43.24 | gb2 | which might endup being uncachable |
| 21:43.37 | gb2 | check your ccache -s before and after the next one |
| 21:44.15 | kergoth | i'm checking it during the build now |
| 21:44.22 | kergoth | havent seen one cache miss yet, all hits |
| 21:44.51 | gb2 | definately owe tridge many beers |
| 21:46.46 | kergoth | yeah, true that. |
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| 21:46.58 | treke|home | between everyone here, I don't imagine he'd ever need to buy a drink again :p |
| 21:47.38 | gb2 | there are quite a few people who owe me |
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| 21:47.59 | gb2 | and i always endup being one of the few who buys the massive quantities of hotel room booze at ols |
| 21:48.25 | gb2 | i managed to get about 60-70% of that back from collecting from people |
| 21:48.41 | gb2 | but i have this pile of $130 canadian now |
| 21:48.58 | treke|home | almost enough to buy a cup of coffee |
| 21:52.02 | gb2 | 9 minutes 37 seconds |
| 21:52.39 | gb2 | for patcher, uclibc-binutils-cross, uclibc-initial, uclibc-gcc-cross-initial, uclibc uclibc-gcc-cross |
| 21:53.00 | kergoth | why the hell .. patcher shows up in DEPENDS according to showdata, but oemake doesnt try to build it |
| 21:53.36 | gb2 | heh |
| 21:53.43 | gb2 | i still haven't gotten oemake to work :P |
| 21:53.49 | treke|home | hehe. portage a bit crufty? |
| 21:53.53 | kergoth | a bit? |
| 21:53.54 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:54.02 | gb2 | how's your c++ thingy coming? |
| 21:54.17 | kergoth | hehe. spent the weekend enjoying _not_ coding |
| 21:54.25 | kergoth | maybe i'll work on it some this week |
| 21:54.25 | gb2 | figured that |
| 21:54.40 | kergoth | this whole being paid to code thing is really ruining my hobby |
| 21:54.48 | gb2 | yeah |
| 21:54.50 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 21:54.53 | gb2 | i run into that at times too |
| 21:55.03 | mickeyl | but then again.... better go back to unix tech support? |
| 21:55.14 | mickeyl | never i suppose |
| 21:56.44 | ljp | he got more done when he was |
| 21:57.01 | mickeyl | that for sure.... but he wasn't happy or was he? :) |
| 21:57.06 | gb2 | i used to hack a bunch on hardware at home |
| 21:57.16 | gb2 | i still do when i'm doing random stuff at work |
| 21:57.16 | treke|home | cd mickeyl what was mallum's fix for building X? |
| 21:57.28 | mickeyl | treke: now if I could remember... |
| 21:57.29 | gb2 | when i'm beating my head over poorly documented hardware at work though.. |
| 21:57.41 | gb2 | hacking at home starts to disgust me :( |
| 21:57.43 | mickeyl | treke: it was like copying one file or doing one link, but hell.... i can't remember |
| 21:57.52 | treke|home | loet of good you are |
| 21:58.11 | mickeyl | treke: check if he has a notice in the Makefile or so. he said he wanted to document that |
| 21:59.02 | ljp | calibrate isn't cooperating (linking) since the quicklaunch change |
| 22:00.49 | ljp | am I th eonly person who is having problems with that? |
| 22:00.54 | mickeyl | seems so |
| 22:01.21 | mickeyl | for what machine? |
| 22:02.12 | ljp | x86 |
| 22:02.21 | ljp | different boxes also |
| 22:02.23 | mickeyl | d'oh. doing that all the time |
| 22:02.26 | mickeyl | without problems |
| 22:02.36 | mickeyl | maybe have old stuff lying around |
| 22:02.49 | mickeyl | find . -name ".moc*" |xargs rm -rf |
| 22:02.50 | ljp | tried a clean, and a new co |
| 22:02.53 | mickeyl | find . -name ".obj*" |xargs rm -rf |
| 22:03.03 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 22:03.06 | mickeyl | ccache? |
| 22:03.21 | ljp | dont think I am using that |
| 22:03.29 | kergoth | if you have it installed you are |
| 22:04.00 | ljp | not installed |
| 22:04.29 | ljp | well, if its just me, then I'll keep trying |
| 22:05.53 | mickeyl | x86 doesn't sound buildroot (although I know, he could ;) |
| 22:05.58 | mickeyl | s//like |
| 22:06.12 | ljp | ya, this isn;t using buildroot |
| 22:07.42 | darkschneider | during thee boot of my Z i accidentaly pressed some unknown key and now it wirtes all upprcase (the funny thing is that it writed uppercase even the output from the console and the prompt) |
| 22:09.28 | treke|home | 13mb worth the crap and 3 hours to build it |
| 22:09.50 | ljp | ahh, the ole 'stuck in caps lock mode' |
| 22:09.52 | darkschneider | booting... (i pressed some of the keys...) and it wrote LOGIN@OPENZAURUS: |
| 22:10.16 | treke|home | darkschneider: #openzaurus |
| 22:10.46 | darkschneider | ok.. was funny,, sorry.. i keep spamming you.. |
| 22:10.57 | kergoth | mickeyl: oeinstall can populate real basic rootfs's now, and oeimage can produce jffs2 images based on config metadata. |
| 22:11.10 | kergoth | mickeyl: not much more pending before we can start using it for deployment |
| 22:11.24 | mickeyl | kergoth: that fast! wow - i'm impressed. |
| 22:11.42 | kergoth | its really, really basic. but it really didnt need to do much. |
| 22:11.48 | kergoth | oeinstall is just calling out the do_install tasks atm |
| 22:11.53 | kergoth | doesnt use the packaging (tar, ipk, rpm) |
| 22:12.10 | treke|home | so no postinst scripts |
| 22:12.16 | kergoth | right, not atm |
| 22:12.18 | mickeyl | kergoth: i have some work stuff to prepare for two conferences in the next 4 weeks, but after that I'd be happy to join converting packages. |
| 22:12.23 | kergoth | mickeyl: cool |
| 22:13.13 | kergoth | treke|home: heh, i still occasionally get a /usr/lib leaking into my link path in certain builds, despite all our libtool patching. |
| 22:13.18 | kergoth | treke|home: guess we missed a spot :\ |
| 22:13.26 | treke|home | hehe |
| 22:13.45 | treke|home | patching ltconfig didnt seem to work |
| 22:14.06 | kergoth | i started isolating last night.. digging deep into the ltmain, sprinkling echo's liberally |
| 22:14.10 | kergoth | pain in the ass |
| 22:15.55 | treke|home | hmmm, mat is up to 0.15, were we using 0.15 for any reason beyond "it never broke"? |
| 22:16.14 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:16.28 | treke|home | we were using 0.14 |
| 22:16.30 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:16.32 | kergoth | probalby no reason |
| 22:17.00 | treke|home | that's one of the annoying things about buildroot. There's no documentation as to whether we were holding something back on purpose or just never noticed it was old |
| 22:20.13 | gb2 | I wonder if there's a decent parsing library/system |
| 22:20.35 | kergoth | something other than lex/yacc? |
| 22:20.38 | gb2 | yes |
| 22:20.51 | gb2 | it doesn't have to be all that powerful |
| 22:20.55 | gb2 | just fairly basic |
| 22:24.18 | gb2 | people would probably hate a dependency on something like that anyway |
| 22:24.39 | kergoth | we also need some form of basic task handling. spawning a task and responding to its status on completion in some modular way. |
| 22:24.53 | gb2 | that's not all that hard |
| 22:25.01 | gb2 | though your right.. |
| 22:25.07 | gb2 | it could be easily done wrong |
| 22:27.08 | treke|home | well fuck a duck |
| 22:27.18 | treke|home | upgraded to libmad 0.15 and everythingjust worked |
| 22:28.02 | kergoth | haha |
| 22:28.05 | kergoth | nice |
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| 22:28.42 | gb2 | i wonder if i have a simple parser sitting around in my devel junk |
| 22:28.45 | gb2 | i probably do |
| 22:29.04 | kergoth | man, i lost my entire code bits / concept code dir a few years back |
| 22:29.10 | kergoth | that blew, i still havent repopulated it |
| 22:29.13 | kergoth | :\ |
| 22:29.29 | gb2 | i had a dir of random info and stuff that got lost in a disk crash |
| 22:29.49 | gb2 | had a really nice boob.gif of a girl i used to know |
| 22:29.54 | treke|home | kergoth: do we need something like a do_stanging_uninstall()? |
| 22:30.09 | kergoth | treke|home: easier solution for staging than that. see doc/TODO |
| 22:30.15 | gb2 | lost some phone numbers and random contact info too |
| 22:30.17 | treke|home | gb2: I'm sure your wife wont mind that being gone |
| 22:30.26 | gb2 | treke: heh. |
| 22:30.28 | kergoth | cleanest method is to split staging by package, and maintain a set of links based on PROVIDES |
| 22:30.35 | kergoth | then nobody stomps on anyone else |
| 22:30.46 | kergoth | could even use update-alternatives to manage the links internally |
| 22:31.05 | treke|home | yup. patch is integrated |
| 22:31.25 | kergoth | what patch? |
| 22:31.30 | treke|home | kergoth: id3tag patch |
| 22:31.36 | treke|home | one we were applyinh |
| 22:31.48 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:36.45 | gb2 | I suppose a flex/bison implementation is probably sanest |
| 22:36.59 | kergoth | heheh. not alot of options |
| 22:37.02 | gb2 | yeah |
| 22:37.44 | kergoth | we're killing the use of debian sources |
| 22:37.56 | kergoth | play a game of "Find the upstream" next time, and pull anhy code patches from debian local |
| 22:39.03 | fdask | huh |
| 22:39.45 | fdask | u referring 2 the oe i submitted? |
| 22:39.48 | kergoth | yeah :) |
| 22:39.53 | kergoth | still uses the debian mirror |
| 22:40.11 | kergoth | no biggie, just thought i'd mention it |
| 22:40.17 | fdask | and i should be using... ? |
| 22:40.19 | kergoth | trying to avoid depending on them unless we have to |
| 22:40.27 | kergoth | whatever hte url is to the actual upstream |
| 22:40.32 | kergoth | wherever its real maintainer hosts it |
| 22:40.37 | fdask | ah |
| 22:40.41 | fdask | so like where debian gets it from |
| 22:40.43 | kergoth | which isnt always easy to find :) |
| 22:40.44 | kergoth | right |
| 22:40.49 | fdask | understood |
| 22:41.20 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 22:41.24 | fdask | i was plowing through the transition docs last night, converting them 2 spiffy html and learned a few new things. |
| 22:41.33 | treke|home | I need to get the name of that program for doing bookmarked directories |
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| 22:44.28 | treke|home | ok. It just happens to share a name with the kde cd player |
| 22:46.26 | fdask | in the docs it mentions setting TARGET_ARCH in conf/local.conf. is this $OEDIR/conf/local.conf? or $OEDIR/packages/conf/local.conf? either or? both? |
| 22:46.40 | treke|home | $OEDIR |
| 22:46.49 | kergoth | fdask: anything in OEPATH |
| 22:46.54 | kergoth | ]which means, OEDIR and the current dir by default |
| 22:47.00 | kergoth | s/^]// |
| 22:47.14 | kergoth | generally its best to put local.conf off of conf in the current dir |
| 22:47.21 | kergoth | since its by nature local to the build you're doing |
| 22:47.24 | treke|home | oh? |
| 22:48.08 | kergoth | then mkdir packages/content/conf.. echo blah >> packages/content/conf/local.conf |
| 22:48.10 | kergoth | its relative to where you're ubliding from, same as tmpdir |
| 22:48.56 | darkschneider | ok i maybe found a "bug" in a package named phalanx.c i just fixed, any idea to where submit it (it has a bad ansi code and gcc refuse to compile that, amthther of putting some \) |
| 22:49.10 | darkschneider | package/file of package |
| 22:49.22 | treke|home | darkschneider: google is your friend. |
| 22:49.38 | kergoth | make a patch against its sources. store it local and let buildroot/oe apply it, and submit it to the upstream maintainer |
| 22:49.43 | darkschneider | oki.. i have no idea of what phalanx was |
| 22:49.49 | kergoth | that way they get notified, plus the build works locally until they fix it |
| 22:50.01 | darkschneider | ok |
| 22:50.13 | treke|home | ugh. |
| 22:50.23 | kergoth | treke|home: ? |
| 22:50.30 | mickeyl | darkschneider: phalanx is a chess engine. |
| 22:50.33 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:50.36 | treke|home | kergoth: Building readline on an ipaq |
| 22:50.43 | kergoth | i've never understood it |
| 22:50.49 | kergoth | i could understand _coding_ on a pda |
| 22:50.50 | darkschneider | mickeyl: useful for google tx :) |
| 22:50.52 | kergoth | thats spiffy. but compiling? |
| 22:51.23 | treke|home | the lack of white space is helpful, though as a rule I still dont like it : |
| 22:51.26 | treke|home | :p |
| 22:51.32 | treke|home | er lack of braces |
| 22:51.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:52.28 | treke|home | kergoth: I just add the results from config.cache to $OEDIR/site/arm-linux? |
| 22:52.30 | kergoth | after the switch to OE our feeds are going to double in size |
| 22:52.41 | kergoth | new packages, -doc packages, -dev packages.. |
| 22:52.44 | treke|home | to try bypassing a config test |
| 22:52.49 | kergoth | treke|home: the result to the test you need passed, yeah |
| 22:52.58 | treke|home | yeah. I wasnt going to put it all in :p |
| 22:53.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:53.13 | treke|home | that is assuming this configure script ever finishes running |
| 22:53.32 | kergoth | one of the uclibc devs pointed out a way to test the size of the types thatd work in the crosscompile case |
| 22:53.41 | kergoth | havent had time to look into the m4 macros yet though |
| 22:54.25 | fdask | i just realized i made another goof in the .oe i submitted. i have 'patcher' listed in depends. just noticed that its prepended by base.oeclass >_< |
| 22:54.36 | treke|home | doh. readline doesnt cache by default :p |
| 22:55.21 | kergoth | treke|home: aha, i hate that |
| 22:55.31 | kergoth | treke|home: happened to me when i was doing the apache, and the ssh config runs |
| 22:55.36 | kergoth | configure takes sooooo long on arm machins |
| 22:55.38 | kergoth | just painful |
| 22:56.08 | treke|home | at least the person I'm sharing the ipaq with is idle |
| 22:59.38 | treke|home | man. when oe works, it works easily |
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| 23:01.50 | kergoth | there we go, all my trees are synced with upstream, so the new packaging stuff is in |
| 23:02.08 | kergoth | which also fixes that occasional crash that occurred in the glibc and ncurses packaging |
| 23:02.18 | treke|home | see you in 10 |
| 23:02.18 | treke|home | :p |
| 23:04.26 | darkschneider | mm lool like a package in buildroot is obsoleted because debian does not have it on the server anymore |
| 23:04.36 | treke|home | feel free to fix it |
| 23:04.57 | darkschneider | ok i try to put the new version in and see if it works |
| 23:05.05 | darkschneider | where i submit that change? |
| 23:05.23 | treke|home | you can mail it to the openzaurus-devel mailing list |
| 23:05.39 | stigger | is it ppp |
| 23:05.41 | treke|home | a better idea is to package the app for openembedded |
| 23:05.44 | darkschneider | ok i found the problem |
| 23:05.48 | darkschneider | ifupdown |
| 23:05.54 | stigger | ok |
| 23:05.56 | treke|home | since no one is using buildroot much |
| 23:06.05 | darkschneider | it is patched localy with a old version? |
| 23:06.21 | treke|home | ? |
| 23:06.23 | darkschneider | and patch does not apply to the new one.. |
| 23:06.36 | treke|home | then update the patch |
| 23:06.47 | stigger | if not buildroot then what |
| 23:06.52 | darkschneider | eheh :P now i try to undestand what the patch does :P |
| 23:21.34 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: you know of an upstream for apmd besides debian? |
| 23:21.40 | treke|home | everyone else seems to use 3.0.2 |
| 23:24.59 | darkschneider | damn i'm not able to fix that :\ |
| 23:33.07 | darkschneider | look like error is from debian... |
| 23:33.20 | treke|home | then fix the error |
| 23:34.11 | darkschneider | trying.. but i have to first fix it from debian and then add the patch that is in buildroot if it is still needed |
| 23:37.22 | *** join/#openembedded qip|Virus|da (~Virus@pD9E65097.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:39.30 | treke|home | SRC_URI = ${DEBIAN_MIRROR}/main/a/apmd/apmd_3.2.0.orig.tar.gz \ |
| 23:39.30 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.36 | treke|home | anything look ring there? |
| 23:39.44 | treke|home | wrong |
| 23:39.59 | darkschneider | mmm |
| 23:40.23 | darkschneider | you are trying to get them now? |
| 23:40.36 | darkschneider | i have problems with debian too.. |
| 23:40.48 | darkschneider | check if the file is in place.. |
| 23:40.52 | treke|home | Your problem is that ifup has been updated |
| 23:40.55 | treke|home | mine is different |
| 23:41.03 | treke|home | it doesn't seem to apply the debian patch |
| 23:41.12 | darkschneider | same here in reality |
| 23:41.26 | darkschneider | they patched against a middle version and then removed it! |
| 23:41.34 | treke|home | I have a completely different problem than you do |
| 23:41.40 | darkschneider | ok sorry then |
| 23:41.44 | darkschneider | anyway i see that look ok |
| 23:44.36 | darkschneider | btw your files exist on debian mirror |
| 23:44.45 | treke|home | I know they do |
| 23:51.00 | darkschneider | i jumped it :\ :( |
| 23:51.30 | darkschneider | and i just found it... |
| 23:51.38 | darkschneider | damn... unluck |
