| 00:02.32 | koyote | anyone remember what the lowest unreserved registered por tis according to rfc? |
| 00:02.36 | koyote | 49xxx |
| 00:02.39 | ljp | hmm, is CONFIG_PXA defined in the c700 kernel build? |
| 00:03.07 | absentia | unregisterd port? |
| 00:03.19 | absentia | I always look at the nmap services file... :-) |
| 00:03.22 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.26 | koyote | unreserved |
| 00:03.27 | treke | wonder what I can fuck with |
| 00:03.30 | koyote | registered |
| 00:04.05 | absentia | If I were asked what were reserved ports.... in an interview.. |
| 00:04.14 | absentia | .I'd respond: those less than 1024 . |
| 00:04.59 | ljp | reserved ports are those things like at a wharf, where boats are parked, only a reserved one has a sign that states, 'Reserved for ..." thats a reserved port |
| 00:05.12 | koyote | not entirely true |
| 00:05.36 | koyote | 17007, for example, is reserved |
| 00:05.41 | koyote | isode-dua |
| 00:05.45 | absentia | anyone know how to mount cf fat16 undre linux? I'm not gonna try to dl all these files via ie... it downloads "packages" to "packages.txt" |
| 00:05.49 | absentia | fucking microshit |
| 00:06.14 | absentia | koyote: not really, depends on your refernce... in unix, ports < 1023 are reserved... |
| 00:06.26 | koyote | port >1023 are also reserved |
| 00:06.33 | absentia | but if you mean what ports haven't been reserved or assigned ... in the full range, then ... that I don't know the answer, etc. |
| 00:06.34 | koyote | reference rfc 1700 |
| 00:06.39 | absentia | koyote: nevermind. it's not worth it. |
| 00:06.46 | absentia | koyote: nevermind. |
| 00:07.12 | koyote | there's a spot over 49000 that is reall truly unreserved, I just cna't find it, and all the neteng people are out for the storm |
| 00:08.05 | koyote | apparently some of our ACLs use this rfc based reference, I'm just not finding it right now |
| 00:09.23 | absentia | ah, mount -t msdos /dev/ad4s1 /mnt |
| 00:13.48 | absentia | treke |
| 00:13.52 | absentia | am I still waiting for another file to appear? |
| 00:13.55 | absentia | initrd? |
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| 00:55.49 | treke|home | nope. I put it up before leaving :p |
| 01:02.19 | fdask | are there any docs on converting packages from buildroot to oe? |
| 01:03.23 | fdask | im having a look at the differences between the package dirs in both now, and I sort of see what needs to be done... but some things still look a bit tricky... like how do i know what to put in a .oe's do_compile and do_install function? |
| 01:04.58 | treke|home | look at the existing .oes |
| 01:05.18 | treke|home | and the existing buildroot makefiles |
| 01:05.22 | kergoth | $(stamp-binary) -> do_compile |
| 01:05.28 | kergoth | $(stamp-rootinstall) -> do_install |
| 01:05.33 | gb2 | -rw-r--r-- 1 gbritton users 0 Sep 18 21:02 log.gccbuild_do_patch.13843 |
| 01:05.35 | gb2 | grr |
| 01:05.43 | gb2 | hhh |
| 01:05.44 | gb2 | jhjjjj |
| 01:05.44 | gb2 | jh |
| 01:05.45 | gb2 | po |
| 01:05.54 | gb2 | doh, sorry, cat attacked me |
| 01:06.42 | absentia | ok |
| 01:06.42 | absentia | home |
| 01:06.45 | absentia | treke? |
| 01:06.57 | absentia | 13.1mb finaly size? |
| 01:07.02 | kergoth | god tv sucks even more than usual on thursday |
| 01:07.13 | gb2 | kergoth: the new survivor looks cool |
| 01:07.24 | gb2 | i'm watching John Carpenter's Vampires now though |
| 01:08.11 | gb2 | kergoth: any idea why my gcc fixup script isn't running and isn't logging anything? |
| 01:08.30 | ljp | I think mickey just found a quick consulting job |
| 01:09.03 | ljp | hehehe |
| 01:09.04 | treke|home | absentia: yup. Sounds about right |
| 01:10.25 | gb2 | kergoth: or ideas how to go about determining why it isn't running |
| 01:11.11 | kergoth | nothing immediately comes to mind. does it report success or failure? |
| 01:11.19 | gb2 | success |
| 01:11.26 | gb2 | i endup with an empty logfile |
| 01:11.31 | kergoth | put a single 'false' line in the function |
| 01:11.31 | absentia | ok |
| 01:11.35 | kergoth | see if it results in failure |
| 01:11.44 | kergoth | and make sure the stamp doesnt exist. |
| 01:11.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:12.36 | gb2 | trying.. |
| 01:13.16 | gb2 | empty log file |
| 01:13.18 | gb2 | success |
| 01:13.29 | kergoth | the function name is gccbuild_do_patch? |
| 01:13.35 | gb2 | actually |
| 01:13.35 | kergoth | are you doing an EXPORT_FUNCTIONS on it? |
| 01:13.41 | gb2 | kergoth: nope |
| 01:13.52 | kergoth | do_patch is what exists in the task executions tack |
| 01:14.02 | kergoth | not ${PN}_do_patch |
| 01:14.08 | gb2 | python do_patch () { |
| 01:14.10 | kergoth | are you calling it directly in your do_patch yourself? |
| 01:14.11 | gb2 | oe.build.exec_func('base_do_patch', d) |
| 01:14.16 | gb2 | oe.build.exec_func('gccbuild_do_patch', d) |
| 01:14.16 | gb2 | } |
| 01:14.19 | gb2 | that's my do_patch |
| 01:15.38 | kergoth | and gccbuild_do_patch is shell? and is defined properly with no bugs that the parser wont report? |
| 01:15.54 | gb2 | hard to tell |
| 01:15.59 | gb2 | i don't think it has bugs |
| 01:16.05 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:16.20 | gb2 | i could add #'s to the beginning of all the lines |
| 01:16.24 | kergoth | oebuild showdata path/to/oe |
| 01:16.33 | kergoth | make sure your fixup function looks proper |
| 01:16.43 | kergoth | and do_patch looks correct as well |
| 01:18.09 | gb2 | still looks ok. |
| 01:19.17 | kergoth | export OEDEBUG=1 |
| 01:19.22 | kergoth | then clean and run it again |
| 01:19.35 | kergoth | then look at the run file instead of log |
| 01:19.42 | kergoth | itll keep the outputted shell script around |
| 01:19.45 | gb2 | ok |
| 01:19.45 | kergoth | and launch it with -x |
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| 01:20.08 | gb2 | right.. nuke the stamps.. |
| 01:21.47 | gb2 | DEBUG: expanded string too long |
| 01:21.50 | gb2 | bunch of those |
| 01:23.09 | gb2 | .. and it didn't leave the scripts around |
| 01:23.13 | absentia | that hancom package crator |
| 01:23.16 | absentia | does it work for the 760 ? |
| 01:23.22 | gb2 | but.. it did leave the log file |
| 01:23.46 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.47 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:23.50 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:24.08 | gb2 | something be spooky here. |
| 01:24.21 | kergoth | indeed |
| 01:24.40 | gb2 | clean build time |
| 01:25.03 | gb2 | is that expanded string too long something to worry about? |
| 01:33.49 | treke|home | hold the button for maybe 5 seconds |
| 01:34.29 | absentia | hmm |
| 01:34.33 | absentia | not behaving the same as the 700 |
| 01:36.27 | absentia | nada |
| 01:36.30 | absentia | very strange |
| 01:40.02 | absentia | do yo uhave to take the battery out on the 760 ? |
| 01:42.21 | treke|home | ? |
| 01:42.30 | absentia | I can't get to the menu on the 760 |
| 01:42.33 | absentia | any idea how to take the case off the back ? |
| 01:42.42 | treke|home | flip the switch and pull |
| 01:42.45 | absentia | I tend to break things when I take them apart .... without knowing how |
| 01:42.58 | treke|home | just slides right off |
| 01:43.11 | absentia | slide |
| 01:43.12 | absentia | ok |
| 01:43.12 | absentia | got it |
| 01:43.19 | absentia | hahah |
| 01:43.23 | absentia | that battery is such a hack! |
| 01:43.24 | absentia | muahaha |
| 01:43.55 | absentia | I knew that's what the did.... almost... pathetic. |
| 01:44.03 | absentia | but at least I can hide some paper in there. |
| 01:46.50 | treke|home | the c760 is essentially a c750 with bigger flash chip and a different paint job :p |
| 01:47.34 | absentia | yup |
| 01:47.41 | absentia | thank god for that flash chip |
| 01:48.13 | treke|home | you can buy a battery that comes with a black batter cover iirc |
| 01:48.26 | absentia | I have the normal cover |
| 01:48.29 | absentia | and 2 700 batteries |
| 01:48.36 | treke|home | absentia: I meant for the c750 |
| 01:48.37 | absentia | ok, what's the procedure to get to the menu |
| 01:48.38 | absentia | on the 760 ? |
| 01:48.45 | absentia | ah! ya, I've seen that a conics |
| 01:49.01 | Com[Plex] | dOH! |
| 01:49.40 | Com[Plex] | hey guys. I just reflashed my z. and its been so long that ive had to configure it, I forgot how to fix the network thing so it starts the ethernet card up on boot. |
| 01:49.50 | Com[Plex] | anyone remember how to fix that? |
| 01:49.53 | absentia | on the 700, I hold the toggle button on the back to the "ok" position... and then press and release the power |
| 01:49.56 | absentia | and it goes straight to the menu |
| 01:50.00 | absentia | doesn't work on the 760 |
| 01:50.03 | treke|home | you do the same thing on the c760 |
| 01:50.11 | absentia | treke: it doesn't start up |
| 01:50.40 | absentia | ok |
| 01:50.54 | absentia | the power slide is on, and unplugged with no battery |
| 01:50.59 | absentia | when I plug in the power, the orange led flashes |
| 01:51.01 | absentia | and that's it |
| 01:51.11 | treke|home | put the battery in... |
| 01:51.36 | absentia | duh |
| 01:51.39 | absentia | now it goes to the menu right away. |
| 01:52.08 | absentia | ok, bottom (4) .. then 2 for CF... the confirm.. y... |
| 01:52.35 | absentia | and.... flash erasing.... looks good. |
| 01:54.06 | gb2 | hm |
| 01:54.42 | absentia | nice package updater |
| 01:54.45 | absentia | much better than the ....s |
| 01:55.38 | absentia | it would be neat if I could get zdebian to run after booting oz |
| 01:55.44 | absentia | then I could keep the same SD that I have nw... |
| 01:55.48 | absentia | and just move it back and forth |
| 01:55.56 | Com[Plex] | :( |
| 01:56.00 | absentia | ok |
| 01:56.05 | absentia | have the open zaurus login prompt |
| 01:56.09 | absentia | it doesn't boot to graphics anymore? |
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| 01:57.37 | absentia | ? |
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| 01:58.51 | treke|home | it didnt load opie? |
| 01:59.10 | absentia | logged in as root |
| 01:59.13 | absentia | couldn't run reboot |
| 01:59.16 | absentia | sait it couldn't determine run level |
| 01:59.21 | absentia | pulled the battery. |
| 01:59.37 | kergoth | gcc3 image? forget libgcc? |
| 01:59.54 | absentia | I just flashed what treke uploaded |
| 01:59.56 | absentia | rebooting now |
| 02:00.07 | treke|home | gcc2. I cant get a clean gcc3 build |
| 02:00.29 | absentia | open zaurus login |
| 02:00.31 | absentia | no opie |
| 02:00.36 | kergoth | ugh, tv is a lost cause today |
| 02:00.45 | treke|home | as always |
| 02:00.52 | absentia | any suggestions? |
| 02:00.54 | absentia | :-<> |
| 02:01.59 | absentia | do I need another kernel ? |
| 02:02.30 | treke|home | I dont have a clue atm |
| 02:02.39 | absentia | I bet I didn't rename the Zimage |
| 02:02.47 | absentia | I bet I left it as its named |
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| 02:05.35 | Com[Plex] | GRRR |
| 02:05.39 | Com[Plex] | friggin NETWORK CARD! |
| 02:06.00 | Com[Plex] | bootup. enter konsole. type ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; |
| 02:06.04 | Com[Plex] | what a pain in nmy ass. |
| 02:06.21 | Com[Plex] | try to ssh to the and xcant because of that friggin entwork BS |
| 02:06.26 | Com[Plex] | z |
| 02:06.35 | absentia | treke: that was it |
| 02:06.39 | absentia | I hade to rename it to zImage.bin |
| 02:06.43 | absentia | now it's booting up better |
| 02:11.03 | treke|home | ah cool |
| 02:11.37 | ljp | tv? |
| 02:11.39 | treke|home | I'm paying 30 bucks a month for cable, and I havent turned the thing on this month exept to watch a dvd |
| 02:12.03 | ljp | I listen to tv often while I do computer things |
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| 02:14.54 | bach2 | is oe still alive? |
| 02:15.36 | bach2 | hmm.. |
| 02:17.19 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 02:23.52 | bach2 | Com[Plex]: what is oe status? |
| 02:24.20 | kergoth | bach2: as i've said in emails to the developer lists, we're currently transitioning from teh old oz buildroot to the new oe build infrastrcutre |
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| 02:26.47 | bach2 | kergoth: any news about the kernel? |
| 02:26.54 | kergoth | no. |
| 02:27.08 | kergoth | the build work is top priority. everything else is on hold pending completion of hte transition |
| 02:27.15 | kergoth | there will be experimental images to hold people over, but thats it |
| 02:27.21 | kergoth | release is postponed |
| 02:27.30 | bach2 | okie |
| 02:30.41 | gb2 | oh |
| 02:30.41 | gb2 | duh |
| 02:30.45 | gb2 | i s ee the problem |
| 02:30.56 | Soopaman | kergoth, how far are you right now? |
| 02:31.34 | kergoth | on what? the transition? |
| 02:31.41 | kergoth | we have like 40 packages in, like 250 to go |
| 02:32.14 | Soopaman | nice |
| 02:32.23 | Soopaman | so you'll be done by monday? |
| 02:32.30 | Soopaman | ;) |
| 02:32.31 | kergoth | oh easy |
| 02:32.33 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:32.45 | kergoth | and once they're all in, every pakcage needs deviceisms and packaging done |
| 02:32.49 | kergoth | to increase granularity and the like |
| 02:32.57 | kergoth | which i'm not doing in the initial pass |
| 02:34.21 | gb2 | then we're going to migrate to a new .oe syntax |
| 02:34.25 | gb2 | so all the files will need changing |
| 02:34.26 | gb2 | ;) |
| 02:34.33 | kergoth | gb2: thats the easy part though |
| 02:34.43 | kergoth | since we have a parser for the old format, we just make it output hte new one |
| 02:34.46 | kergoth | heh :) |
| 02:35.16 | gb2 | heh |
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| 02:36.52 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 02:36.59 | pyromance | I'm having a problem with my Collie build. It comes out of suspend and, half the time, goes right back into it. |
| 02:39.13 | pyromance | oz-snapshot-030909-1225 |
| 02:40.45 | gb2 | hm |
| 02:40.47 | gb2 | still lose |
| 02:41.02 | kergoth | gb2: getting anywhere? |
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| 02:43.53 | kergoth | pyromance: rpm, dpkg, or ipkg based? ;) |
| 02:44.17 | pyromance | Well people won't stop complaining about ipkg |
| 02:45.12 | kergoth | a non resource constrained env like an xbox would be better off with dpkg or rpm |
| 02:45.56 | pyromance | xboxen are pretty bad ass, for a MS product |
| 02:47.17 | W8TVI|z | what are the netwave modules for? |
| 02:47.19 | ljp | weird they would name it X box, but not ship it with a X server |
| 02:50.09 | Soopaman | it was because of DirectX |
| 02:50.49 | W8TVI|z | and I can understand why they named it directX.. |
| 02:50.58 | W8TVI|z | direct to x |
| 02:51.06 | W8TVI|z | I guess |
| 02:51.33 | Soopaman | not a clue |
| 02:51.42 | Soopaman | them MS people sure are strange |
| 02:52.21 | ljp | X11 people should have sued MS dor naming it DirectX |
| 02:53.53 | treke|home | hmmm. Is my monitor fuzzy or are my eye just not focusing tonight :p |
| 02:54.23 | kergoth | i should see an eye doctor |
| 02:54.24 | ljp | you havent drank enough |
| 02:54.32 | kergoth | i'm supposed to have glasses or contacts |
| 02:54.33 | kergoth | err |
| 02:54.35 | kergoth | contact |
| 02:54.39 | kergoth | only one bad eye |
| 02:54.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:54.51 | kergoth | when i dont wear em the other eye compensates so its not blurry |
| 02:55.05 | ljp | I've worn contacts since I was about 15 |
| 02:55.21 | treke|home | four eyed long haired hippy freak |
| 02:55.34 | ljp | dont have long hair |
| 02:55.43 | ljp | and I wear contacts |
| 02:55.59 | treke|home | notice he doesnt deny the hippy freak part |
| 02:56.04 | ljp | :) |
| 02:56.18 | ljp | that would be dishonest |
| 02:56.27 | ljp | man |
| 03:02.17 | kergoth | hm |
| 03:04.02 | W8TVI|z | why would i need ppp on my z? |
| 03:04.19 | kergoth | heh, you probably dont |
| 03:04.39 | W8TVI|z | ok :) |
| 03:04.51 | gb2 | if you have a GPRS or CDMA CF modem |
| 03:05.05 | W8TVI|z | ray drivers? |
| 03:05.52 | W8TVI|z | i dont think i need smc91c92 drivers |
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| 03:06.42 | noda | Moo! |
| 03:06.49 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 03:06.56 | W8TVI|z | m00! |
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| 03:07.21 | noda | kergoth: Do you have any idea why the image 3.2 (and the one I built) suspends right after resume? Because I think I might... |
| 03:07.40 | kergoth | sounds like the imfamous opiealarm zombies bug |
| 03:07.46 | noda | Oh :) |
| 03:07.54 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: sup |
| 03:07.56 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: someone else was just reporting that too |
| 03:08.07 | noda | So I just kill opiealarm? |
| 03:08.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:08.28 | kergoth | slashdot has an article on parallel service starting |
| 03:08.31 | kergoth | like its some new concept |
| 03:08.36 | noda | :) |
| 03:08.37 | W8TVI|z | lol |
| 03:08.38 | TheMasterMind1 | hehe |
| 03:08.39 | noda | Using 'make'... |
| 03:08.53 | kergoth | ~bitchslap /. |
| 03:08.54 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of /. |
| 03:09.02 | gb2 | kergoth: slashdot keeps doing that with those ibm pages |
| 03:09.08 | noda | I read the article. It seems very confusing: you have to keep the damned "S" and "K" symlinks in /etc/rcX.d *and* make a Makefile. |
| 03:09.25 | kergoth | noda: pointless. |
| 03:09.30 | kergoth | gentoo has a similar hackish system |
| 03:09.40 | kergoth | they implement need(8) based init using sysvinit, which wasnt designed for it |
| 03:09.42 | TheMasterMind1 | internet advertising is such a bitch |
| 03:09.49 | kergoth | just foolish |
| 03:09.54 | noda | Simpleinit is the way to go, right? |
| 03:10.00 | noda | Might try that on my desktop. Not that I ever boot... |
| 03:10.02 | kergoth | gb2: i went like 2 weeks without visiting /. .. and i didnt iss it |
| 03:10.04 | noda | Up 20 days... |
| 03:10.18 | kergoth | noda: simpleinit lacks some things regarding "runlevel" handling |
| 03:10.26 | kergoth | I'd like to enhance i |
| 03:10.29 | noda | kergoth: There are no opiealarms in my process list. |
| 03:10.39 | kergoth | immediately after resume? |
| 03:10.47 | noda | Oh, heh, no way to tell :P |
| 03:10.53 | noda | I guess I'll resume to the process list :) |
| 03:11.05 | noda | kergoth: Enhance i...? |
| 03:11.11 | kergoth | s/i$/it/ |
| 03:11.31 | kergoth | not like i have time or anything |
| 03:11.32 | noda | kergoth: No opiealarm. There *is* an apmd_proxy |
| 03:11.34 | kergoth | but its still on the todo |
| 03:11.49 | noda | Oh heh, second time I resume I see the opiealarm :) |
| 03:13.28 | noda | Whee. Time to update Mozilla :) |
| 03:14.42 | W8TVI|z | Finally: Broadband for the Commodore 64 |
| 03:14.44 | W8TVI|z | heh |
| 03:14.54 | absentia | slashdot |
| 03:14.57 | absentia | contiki is lame. |
| 03:15.14 | W8TVI|z | but its still funny |
| 03:15.25 | absentia | true |
| 03:17.30 | absentia | oz looks 100% better |
| 03:18.34 | absentia | treke? |
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| 03:21.52 | gb2 | i wonder which tool is misbuilding |
| 03:21.52 | gb2 | hrm |
| 03:22.34 | treke|home | yeah? |
| 03:22.55 | kergoth | treke|home: get anywhere with mad? |
| 03:22.57 | absentia | did you see before... I didn't rename the zImage.bin ... it's better now |
| 03:23.05 | absentia | oz looks 100% better than 3 months ago. |
| 03:23.07 | treke|home | absentia: yeah cool |
| 03:23.20 | treke|home | kergoth: Nope. for somereason do_configure stopped working |
| 03:23.21 | absentia | I see aqpkg is there, just trying to get it to use the cf card... |
| 03:23.40 | treke|home | kergoth: no clue why |
| 03:23.52 | kergoth | odd |
| 03:24.12 | treke|home | I know I had fucked about with do_configure, but I'm pretty sure it's back to normal |
| 03:24.27 | kergoth | make sure your trees are up to date |
| 03:24.36 | treke|home | I'm gonna do that |
| 03:24.38 | absentia | can I make aqpkg to use the cf through its menus, or do i have to edit a config file directly ? |
| 03:24.39 | kergoth | the restructuring of BUILD vs HOST vs TARGET screwed things for a bit |
| 03:25.00 | noda | absentia: Just use the 'local packages' from the menu. |
| 03:25.03 | treke|home | absentia: dunno. With 128mb of flash I've had no need to install to anything but flash :p |
| 03:25.05 | absentia | ok |
| 03:25.06 | gb2 | kergoth: i've determined that somewhere in my pile of toolchain .oe files, there's probably a single character bug |
| 03:25.22 | kergoth | gb2: hah. we _really_ need a verbose, strict, parser |
| 03:25.22 | treke|home | absentia: should be able to though |
| 03:25.27 | absentia | wow |
| 03:25.27 | absentia | works. |
| 03:25.55 | gb2 | kergoth: i copied the uclibc build system into .oe files |
| 03:26.28 | gb2 | ../libiberty/libiberty.a(cp-demangle.o)(.text+0x13dc): In function `demangle_identifier': |
| 03:26.28 | gb2 | : undefined reference to `__ctype_b' |
| 03:26.32 | gb2 | dies with that error :( |
| 03:26.38 | kergoth | that rings a bell |
| 03:26.44 | gb2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.47 | kergoth | dont recall specifics offhand, but definately rings a bell |
| 03:26.54 | treke|home | pico |
| 03:26.55 | gb2 | LOTS of stuff similar to this |
| 03:26.56 | treke|home | er nano |
| 03:27.04 | gb2 | which i don't see in the uclibc toolchain build |
| 03:27.43 | absentia | treke: as a newbie to this image... anytihng you guys would like me to test, evaluate? etc? |
| 03:27.55 | treke|home | not really |
| 03:28.03 | gb2 | which suggests i've installed the uclibc headers improperly |
| 03:28.05 | absentia | ok |
| 03:28.10 | absentia | I'll give it a full threashing. |
| 03:28.22 | absentia | all I can say is so far... it's amazing.. the improvement.. the changes.. etc. |
| 03:28.30 | absentia | I'm very impressed. |
| 03:28.54 | kergoth | thank the opie folks, those are the improvements you're surely noticing |
| 03:29.06 | absentia | so far, yes. |
| 03:29.15 | absentia | but aqpkg seems to work... |
| 03:29.21 | absentia | that's 100% difference. :-> |
| 03:29.33 | absentia | that alone makes this usable by noobs |
| 03:30.10 | noda | 21 |
| 03:30.32 | noda | whoops, that's meant for my tv program ;) |
| 03:31.24 | ljp | hmm |
| 03:31.27 | ljp | 42 |
| 03:31.31 | absentia | ok |
| 03:31.35 | absentia | I'm gonna go enjoy this for a while. |
| 03:31.41 | absentia | thanks again treke .... |
| 03:32.04 | ljp | ya, opie changes. openzaurus hasnt changed since 1947 |
| 03:32.12 | kergoth | heh. 42. i need to get a copy of the old radio programs |
| 03:32.18 | TMM1 | i officially don't like hurricanes |
| 03:34.13 | ljp | hmm, what'd I do this time? |
| 03:36.01 | gb2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.04 | gb2 | i think i see the problem |
| 03:36.44 | pyromance | Hmm ... any known issues in oz-snapshot-030909-1225 |
| 03:43.22 | gb2 | kergoth: -really- need download stamps |
| 03:44.09 | kergoth | gb2: hehe. gets annoying. even just a blah.tar.gz.completed or something |
| 03:44.11 | kergoth | easy to implement |
| 03:44.16 | kergoth | just has been rather low priority |
| 03:46.35 | gb2 | : undefined reference to `__ctype_b' |
| 03:46.36 | gb2 | grr |
| 03:46.38 | gb2 | still no love |
| 03:47.57 | absentia | ok |
| 03:48.00 | absentia | question about aqpkg |
| 03:48.04 | absentia | I want to install bin utils |
| 03:48.06 | absentia | so it tells me |
| 03:48.09 | kergoth | gb2: googled for the error? |
| 03:48.31 | absentia | package bin utils wants to install /usr/bin/strings |
| 03:48.41 | kergoth | yep, thats expected |
| 03:48.44 | absentia | but that file is already provided by package busybox |
| 03:48.50 | kergoth | busybo provides some of the things binutils does normally |
| 03:48.51 | gb2 | kergoth: that's what i was doing when you asked |
| 03:48.54 | kergoth | busybox rather |
| 03:48.55 | absentia | I know |
| 03:49.00 | absentia | but this goes back to what I Was saying the other day. |
| 03:49.13 | kergoth | about what? i never claimed the binutils package would go in clean. |
| 03:49.17 | kergoth | i never evne cleaned up the package |
| 03:49.22 | kergoth | it was added xplicitly for testing purposes |
| 03:49.40 | absentia | so, the expected behaviour is for me to remove the package busybux strings |
| 03:49.40 | absentia | and the erase busy box ar |
| 03:49.40 | absentia | and then re try binutils ? |
| 03:49.40 | absentia | ah |
| 03:49.40 | absentia | but beside that |
| 03:49.47 | absentia | is what I said.. the expected behaviour ? |
| 03:49.52 | kergoth | yes. |
| 03:49.56 | kergoth | this is exactly what should happen |
| 03:49.59 | absentia | ok |
| 03:50.06 | absentia | in the past, I always used -force or something. |
| 03:50.09 | absentia | from command line. |
| 03:50.17 | kergoth | until i get around to making binutils Replaces busybox-binutils symliinks package |
| 03:51.54 | gb2 | hrm |
| 03:52.40 | absentia | and |
| 03:52.59 | absentia | installed doesn't show busybox-ar or busybox-string |
| 03:53.02 | absentia | so, I can't uninstall |
| 03:53.05 | absentia | and I can't install binutils |
| 03:53.16 | kergoth | huh? |
| 03:53.21 | kergoth | remove the symlinks |
| 03:53.25 | absentia | right |
| 03:53.29 | kergoth | or remove busybox-binutils if it exists |
| 03:53.37 | absentia | but you see my point? the aqpkg thinks its part of another package |
| 03:53.39 | absentia | but it's not listed |
| 03:53.43 | absentia | ah |
| 03:53.45 | kergoth | NO SHIT |
| 03:53.48 | kergoth | this is precisely what should happen |
| 03:53.55 | kergoth | because i never got around to fucking getting the install smoth |
| 03:53.58 | kergoth | smooth |
| 03:54.03 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.04 | kergoth | this is called 'unstable' for arreason |
| 03:54.04 | absentia | doesn't exist. |
| 03:54.12 | absentia | kergoth: don't get my wrong |
| 03:54.19 | absentia | you're getting upset over this one instance |
| 03:54.19 | absentia | I'm not. |
| 03:54.23 | absentia | I'm notsaying anything is wrong |
| 03:54.36 | absentia | I'm pointing out what new users will see when things seem to go in circles... |
| 03:54.41 | absentia | it's not clear how to proceed. |
| 03:54.43 | kergoth | yes, they will. |
| 03:54.50 | kergoth | a user using unstable is on their own. |
| 03:54.50 | kergoth | period. |
| 03:54.55 | ljp | dont mind kergoth - he's a bit unstable himself at times |
| 03:55.03 | kergoth | true that. |
| 03:55.05 | absentia | kergoth: you're assuming a lot |
| 03:55.10 | absentia | ever try to install many things from killefiz? |
| 03:55.17 | absentia | there's 10,001 ways to install things |
| 03:55.18 | kergoth | killefiz packages are outside my control |
| 03:55.21 | absentia | and they each conflict! |
| 03:55.25 | kergoth | 95% of ipks out there are worthless. |
| 03:55.25 | absentia | right |
| 03:55.36 | ljp | -force-depends |
| 03:55.36 | kergoth | that reminds me |
| 03:55.38 | kergoth | ~lart ljp |
| 03:55.43 | absentia | so, when someone installs one of those and it confuses the oz stuff.... people will get discouraged |
| 03:55.47 | kergoth | damn trolls and their including mkipks instead of ipkg-build |
| 03:55.49 | ljp | ouch |
| 03:55.52 | absentia | saying that it's their own fault -- doesn't enamour them to you or oz. |
| 03:56.01 | absentia | kergoth: I agree. |
| 03:56.02 | kergoth | absentia: it is though. whether they realize it or not. |
| 03:56.13 | absentia | :-< |
| 03:56.15 | kergoth | a well done package will be portable |
| 03:56.18 | treke|home | absentia: We can't do anything about broken packages. |
| 03:56.20 | kergoth | just like a well done shell script will work everywhere |
| 03:56.22 | absentia | I'm just wondering if there is a need for some package like |
| 03:56.29 | absentia | super-ipkg for dummies |
| 03:56.32 | ljp | there's a better mkipks used internally |
| 03:56.41 | absentia | that has all these "force depends" options right in their face, etc. |
| 03:56.45 | kergoth | ljp: i hope it uses ipkg-build. if not, its crap |
| 03:56.53 | ljp | nope |
| 03:57.19 | ljp | still tarball*2 |
| 03:57.33 | ljp | :) |
| 03:57.35 | treke|home | still using the archaich ipkg? |
| 03:57.42 | pyromance | hey... |
| 03:57.47 | kergoth | if they'd use ipkg-build, they could do what opie's mkipks did |
| 03:57.49 | pyromance | What does OZ need BESIDES developers? |
| 03:57.49 | kergoth | --classic |
| 03:57.53 | ljp | dont worry. I'll get em whipped into shape. it might take a while |
| 03:57.54 | kergoth | pyromance: documenters |
| 03:57.58 | kergoth | pyromance: web people |
| 03:58.19 | absentia | I'd be very happy to help with the web, too. |
| 03:58.20 | pyromance | Umm ... I can do documentation. My web skillz sux0r as you can see from http://pyromance.com |
| 03:59.15 | kergoth | fdask is assisting on the web front and coordinating with adam, so we're probably okay on that front for now |
| 03:59.31 | pyromance | OK ... then HOWTOs and such? |
| 03:59.45 | kergoth | yeah. we need both usr level docs and developer docs |
| 03:59.50 | kergoth | OE docs on the dev side |
| 04:00.10 | kergoth | lets see.. we need a CM plan |
| 04:00.11 | pyromance | I can copy edit devel docs, but not write them naturally. |
| 04:00.15 | pyromance | I can make them readable though |
| 04:00.21 | kergoth | and policy manual for the package metadata repos |
| 04:00.37 | kergoth | pyromance: thats fine, its expected that a certainly a mount of developer assistance is needed when doing technical documentation |
| 04:01.14 | kergoth | bleh |
| 04:01.20 | kergoth | s/certainly a mount/certain amount/ |
| 04:01.21 | pyromance | OK ... well I have enough web skills to format them and even Adobe Acrobat for making PDFs if you want |
| 04:01.26 | Com[Plex] | I think I fixed the opera creator |
| 04:02.03 | Com[Plex] | not that anyone cares.. |
| 04:02.29 | kergoth | people do care, we get qustions on it periodically |
| 04:02.39 | kergoth | and someone invariably tells them how to make the symlink for the icons or whatever |
| 04:02.56 | Com[Plex] | I dunno how come it wasnt working. |
| 04:03.18 | pyromance | comPlex: Does it do that symlink properly? ;) |
| 04:03.23 | Com[Plex] | I had ln -sf ../../opt/QtPalmtop/opera /usr/share/opera |
| 04:03.31 | Com[Plex] | in my postinst |
| 04:03.38 | pyromance | Sweet |
| 04:03.58 | Com[Plex] | but for soem reason it wasnt working. so. Im just doing ln -sf /opt/QtPalmtop/opera /usr/share/opera |
| 04:04.10 | Com[Plex] | I figured it would be beter the first way if they chose to isntall it to SD |
| 04:04.17 | pyromance | kergoth: Glenfiddich? |
| 04:04.20 | Com[Plex] | trying to avoid 1million levels of symlinks |
| 04:04.35 | kergoth | pyromance: yep |
| 04:04.45 | pyromance | Glenlivet 18 is my favorite single malt, Johnie Walker Blue is my favorite blended (when I can afford it) |
| 04:04.54 | Com[Plex] | heh' |
| 04:05.00 | Com[Plex] | I cant drink scotch. |
| 04:05.05 | Com[Plex] | one sip makes me harf. |
| 04:05.14 | kergoth | i've been trying different ones, sine i'm new to it |
| 04:05.15 | pyromance | It makes me harf too when I do it properly |
| 04:05.18 | kergoth | since rather |
| 04:05.35 | Com[Plex] | same for whiskies. but I can drink whiskey sours. go figure.. |
| 04:05.36 | treke|home | all of you shut up. You're making me thirsty |
| 04:05.44 | gb2 | kergoth: i'm suspecting one of your flags vars actually |
| 04:05.51 | Com[Plex] | although, whiskey sours turn me in a raging bastard |
| 04:05.55 | gb2 | or.. |
| 04:05.55 | gb2 | duh |
| 04:05.56 | gb2 | hm |
| 04:06.10 | Com[Plex] | WOOHOO! |
| 04:06.13 | kergoth | gb2: could be. are you setting EXTRA_OEMAKE to null? if not, its doing -e, which can make some builds not like you |
| 04:06.13 | Com[Plex] | it worksa. |
| 04:06.18 | Com[Plex] | now I gotta test a pdf |
| 04:06.21 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: nice |
| 04:06.45 | kergoth | i've still never actually thrown up from alcohol |
| 04:06.46 | gb2 | what's -e do? |
| 04:06.55 | kergoth | gb2: makes all env vars overrie local ones |
| 04:07.04 | kergoth | gb2: which is what you want for some builds, but not others |
| 04:07.08 | ljp | you still havent gotten a c'boy hat, either, I'd bet |
| 04:07.13 | kergoth | gb2: kernel builds nad other things you need tight control over, you wont |
| 04:07.50 | pyromance | Why would my Z suspend right after turning on half the time? |
| 04:08.11 | kergoth | it doesnt like you? |
| 04:08.15 | pyromance | It doesn't! |
| 04:08.22 | kergoth | could be somethign int he apmd resume path |
| 04:08.28 | kergoth | in the scripts |
| 04:08.30 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.47 | pyromance | Yeah... Just did it again |
| 04:08.50 | kergoth | or the opiealarm zombie behavior, which seems to cause oddities |
| 04:09.54 | pyromance | How can I duplicate something over the console to find the problem? |
| 04:10.00 | pyromance | I never played around with Z's apm |
| 04:10.01 | gb2 | kergoth: so, for those i want to explicitly do: EXTRA_OEMAKE := |
| 04:10.02 | gb2 | ? |
| 04:11.03 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:11.17 | kergoth | or just =. := just makes it expand the var immediately |
| 04:11.36 | absentia | is there anyway to make aqpkg auto install dependencies? |
| 04:12.00 | kergoth | it does |
| 04:12.05 | kergoth | or rather, ipkg does, and aqpkg calls ipkg |
| 04:12.22 | absentia | task opie |
| 04:12.35 | Com[Plex] | pdf #1... 850k.. seems to be taking a long time loading.. |
| 04:14.11 | absentia | task-opie-games |
| 04:14.18 | absentia | says it can't install because it depends on opie-fifteen |
| 04:14.21 | absentia | and opie-fifteen is there |
| 04:14.36 | pyromance | Hmm /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/opiealarm doesn't exist |
| 04:15.02 | absentia | ok |
| 04:15.08 | absentia | if I install opie-fifteen manually |
| 04:15.13 | absentia | then try task-opie-games |
| 04:15.19 | absentia | it doesn't tell me it's missing the opie-fifteen |
| 04:15.24 | absentia | that tells me that it is not doing dependencies |
| 04:15.25 | absentia | ? |
| 04:16.25 | kergoth | yeah, thats odd. well, ipkg does suck. |
| 04:16.30 | absentia | ok |
| 04:16.33 | absentia | :-< |
| 04:16.41 | absentia | opie-vmemo won't go in |
| 04:16.47 | absentia | because it can't meet opie-vmemo-settings |
| 04:16.49 | absentia | and, it's right there. |
| 04:17.35 | absentia | again, just letting you know... you have to click on a package, see if it has any dependencies... if it does, try to remember one, go install that one, see if it has any dependencies, etc... until you get one to install... and then work your way back |
| 04:17.53 | treke|home | go submit a bug to opie |
| 04:17.59 | treke|home | we dont work on aqpkg |
| 04:18.29 | ljp | no bugs in opie.. whadda ya mean?! |
| 04:18.42 | absentia | but it's the only package under the gui for installing ipks... and there is a feed of ipkgs.... |
| 04:19.02 | absentia | I'll work my way through the dependencies. |
| 04:19.17 | gb2 | one more test.. |
| 04:19.30 | treke|home | its simple, if you want it fixed, tell the people that can fix it |
| 04:21.09 | absentia | night |
| 04:21.11 | absentia | hey |
| 04:21.14 | absentia | pyqt is here |
| 04:21.16 | absentia | that's all I need |
| 04:21.24 | treke|home | yes it is |
| 04:21.25 | absentia | all the rest of the stuff can not work, and just that.. and I'll be satisfied |
| 04:21.26 | absentia | :-> |
| 04:21.33 | treke|home | works quite well with tinykate |
| 04:21.40 | absentia | ah, finally some rain... in nyc... from the hurricane. |
| 04:21.42 | absentia | cool! |
| 04:21.53 | pyromance | Hmm ... doesn't Drop directly back into suspend when I run apm --suspend |
| 04:21.55 | pyromance | er |
| 04:22.06 | pyromance | When I wake from suspending it from the console instead of the hardware button |
| 04:22.13 | pyromance | what runs when I hit the hardware button? |
| 04:22.20 | treke|home | pyromance: apm --suspend |
| 04:23.32 | pyromance | OK |
| 04:23.39 | treke|home | actually, apm -s |
| 04:23.49 | pyromance | when I run apmd --suspend it suspends properly then wakes properly |
| 04:24.14 | pyromance | When I suspend it from the hardware button, it suspends properly, but then when I try and wake it it wakes, then drops directly back into suspend until I tell it to wake again |
| 04:24.38 | treke|home | probably sending multiple suspend signals |
| 04:25.01 | pyromance | OK ... I can see that. But where are those signals coming from? |
| 04:26.30 | *** join/#openembedded W8TVI (~root@1114107399.mi.dial.hexcom.net) |
| 04:26.41 | *** join/#openembedded _Bala_ (~Bala@hsdbsk142-165-117-29.sasknet.sk.ca) |
| 04:26.48 | treke|home | from the hardware?] |
| 04:27.10 | pyromance | From the hardware? Hmm ... somewhere between where the button picks up the signal and sends it to apmd? |
| 04:27.28 | treke|home | opie listes to the keypress and calls apm -s |
| 04:29.13 | pyromance | OK that's one signal. |
| 04:29.16 | pyromance | But where is the other? |
| 04:30.21 | pyromance | I tried moving /etc/apm/suspend.d/S99suspend out of the way, but that didn't change anything |
| 04:31.34 | gb2 | one more gcc attempt |
| 04:31.34 | gb2 | then sleep |
| 04:32.30 | gb2 | hrm. |
| 04:32.35 | gb2 | just noticed i'm 200M into swap |
| 04:32.45 | gb2 | wonder how long that's been |
| 04:34.25 | gb2 | probably days |
| 04:34.30 | gb2 | oh well, gcc still broke |
| 04:35.42 | pyromance | OK |
| 04:36.12 | pyromance | BUG: Somewhere, the hardware suspend key is sending TWO suspend signals, one right after the other, to APM |
| 04:38.53 | treke|home | how can you tell? |
| 04:39.35 | pyromance | Well |
| 04:39.38 | pyromance | That's the only difference |
| 04:39.47 | pyromance | Every other manner of suspending and resuming works fine |
| 04:40.01 | pyromance | other than using the hardware button to suspend |
| 04:41.24 | pyromance | There is some other explanation for this behavior? |
| 04:42.13 | treke|home | pyromance: Arbitrarily saying it sends to suspends doesnt fit the behaviours |
| 04:43.11 | treke|home | I think it's more likely to say that the key sends multiple suspend events depending on how long you held the button down |
| 04:43.53 | pyromance | treke: I don't think that's the case, because regardless of how long I hold it down (short of allowing it to register as only "Cancel") it still suspends exactly twice |
| 04:44.21 | treke|home | not my experience |
| 04:45.54 | treke|home | sometimes it suspends more than once sometimes it doesnt |
| 04:46.13 | pyromance | Just did it again |
| 04:46.38 | treke|home | it just woke up fine here |
| 04:46.55 | pyromance | What device/snapshot are you using? |
| 04:47.05 | treke|home | 760 |
| 04:47.09 | pyromance | Aha |
| 04:47.50 | pyromance | SL-5500 with oz-snapshot-030909-1225 |
| 04:48.00 | treke|home | the code is identical |
| 04:48.15 | treke|home | and the bug occurs in both devices |
| 04:48.18 | absentia | is opie-sh missing from this set up ? |
| 04:48.28 | treke|home | you tell me |
| 04:48.42 | absentia | well |
| 04:48.45 | pyromance | Hmm ... enough geek. I'm gonna watch TV. Thanks, though. |
| 04:48.48 | absentia | many things seem to depend on opie-sh |
| 04:48.52 | absentia | and I can't find an opie-sh there anywhere |
| 04:48.59 | treke|home | then it isnt there |
| 04:49.09 | absentia | where can I get it ? |
| 04:49.28 | treke|home | dunno. oz stable? |
| 04:49.32 | absentia | k |
| 04:58.41 | absentia | how do I make a ^C under oz in terminal? |
| 05:00.18 | fdask | function + c? |
| 05:00.38 | absentia | nope |
| 05:00.39 | absentia | tried that |
| 05:01.23 | absentia | I can ping my wireless accesspoint |
| 05:01.29 | absentia | but konq won't get out to the net, etc. |
| 05:01.37 | W8TVI | thats how I do a ^C on mine |
| 05:01.40 | fdask | anything in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 05:01.51 | fdask | can u ping things by hostname? or just ip |
| 05:01.56 | W8TVI | you could also try the onscreen keyboard |
| 05:02.32 | absentia | I can nslookup www.cnn.com |
| 05:02.37 | absentia | but in konq, it says it can't reach it |
| 05:02.42 | absentia | and aqpkg can't update the package list. |
| 05:02.42 | absentia | etc. |
| 05:02.58 | W8TVI | konq sucks |
| 05:03.03 | absentia | *sigh* |
| 05:03.03 | W8TVI | get opera |
| 05:03.07 | absentia | tell me how to get opera! |
| 05:03.09 | absentia | how? where? |
| 05:03.16 | W8TVI | download it :P |
| 05:03.19 | W8TVI | hold on |
| 05:03.56 | W8TVI | what you using on? |
| 05:04.34 | absentia | 760 |
| 05:04.55 | W8TVI | it should look good on there |
| 05:05.19 | W8TVI | and you know its for testing purposes only, right? ;) |
| 05:05.24 | absentia | socket error: Success |
| 05:05.25 | absentia | love that. |
| 05:05.36 | absentia | ya |
| 05:05.42 | W8TVI | http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=UpDownload&file=index&req=viewsdownload&sid=17 |
| 05:05.54 | W8TVI | download Applications for theKompany ROM |
| 05:05.59 | absentia | ok |
| 05:06.00 | W8TVI | its in there |
| 05:06.01 | absentia | ya, I hreax that |
| 05:06.18 | W8TVI | opera 6 works real good for me |
| 05:06.25 | W8TVI | even rotated |
| 05:06.41 | W8TVI | dont know how good it'll look on the 760 |
| 05:06.46 | W8TVI | but it should work |
| 05:07.41 | Com[Plex] | now if I could jsut remember how to make my stupuid ethernet card start up automatically, Id be happy |
| 05:08.01 | W8TVI | my wireless starts up by it self |
| 05:08.11 | W8TVI | by plugging it in |
| 05:08.26 | W8TVI | absentia: what rom are you using? |
| 05:08.28 | Com[Plex] | what model z? |
| 05:08.31 | W8TVI | 5500 |
| 05:08.38 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 05:08.42 | absentia | just flashed oz |
| 05:08.47 | absentia | ok, thanks! |
| 05:08.47 | W8TVI | cool |
| 05:08.48 | absentia | goodnight |
| 05:08.49 | Com[Plex] | how long since your last reflash W8TVI ? |
| 05:08.59 | W8TVI | absentia: does it work? |
| 05:09.10 | absentia | for some, I'm sure it does. |
| 05:09.12 | absentia | I'm new to it. |
| 05:09.16 | absentia | just have to figure it out. |
| 05:09.20 | W8TVI | I mean opera |
| 05:09.25 | absentia | oh |
| 05:09.32 | W8TVI | I want to know if it works on your 760 |
| 05:09.33 | absentia | no, I'm downloading now |
| 05:09.34 | W8TVI | :) |
| 05:09.40 | absentia | I think I sohuld download sash's image |
| 05:09.45 | absentia | ya |
| 05:09.46 | absentia | I'll give it a try |
| 05:09.49 | absentia | I have to go to work tomorrow |
| 05:09.50 | absentia | and it's 1am |
| 05:09.59 | W8TVI | well let me know |
| 05:10.06 | W8TVI | Com[Plex]: hmmm... about 2 weeks |
| 05:10.17 | W8TVI | 2 or 3 |
| 05:10.57 | Com[Plex] | so.. why does my ethernet card require me to enter the konsole and type ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0 before it will work? |
| 05:11.08 | W8TVI | no idea |
| 05:11.14 | W8TVI | cheap? |
| 05:11.21 | Com[Plex] | hehe, i WISH |
| 05:11.30 | fdask | perhaps there is an automatic attempt to mount it, which fails for some reason |
| 05:11.54 | Com[Plex] | good call. I did mark it to brin up automatically in the control panel |
| 05:11.57 | Com[Plex] | let me change that |
| 05:13.17 | absentia | where is sash's rom ? |
| 05:13.56 | absentia | found it |
| 05:15.13 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 05:17.35 | Com[Plex] | wtf is sashes room? |
| 05:17.50 | absentia | cacko rom |
| 05:17.59 | absentia | http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3488#3488 |
| 05:18.22 | absentia | www.cacko.biz |
| 05:18.55 | W8TVI | http://aboveaveragedriver.com/forums/discussions/messages/2001.html |
| 05:19.52 | absentia | yup |
| 05:20.18 | W8TVI | :) |
| 05:20.22 | W8TVI | like it? |
| 05:21.02 | W8TVI | I'm a moderator on that site :) |
| 05:27.36 | ljp | bleh |
| 05:27.53 | W8TVI | ljp: what the matter? |
| 05:30.34 | ljp | its friday |
| 05:34.09 | ljp | and I am tired |
| 05:43.04 | ljp | hmm, glibc-2.3.2 doesnt like gcc 3.3 |
| 05:44.26 | TMM1 | who does |
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| 08:17.01 | proti | Hi there! |
| 08:17.43 | Twiun | g'morning |
| 08:18.02 | proti | Twiun: 'Morning |
| 08:18.21 | proti | Is anybody fluent in jffs2 ? |
| 08:20.24 | schurig | proti: somewhat |
| 08:20.29 | Twiun | 'fluent' is usually applied to languages, not fs implementations, but yeah, some people on here know about jffs2 |
| 08:21.15 | proti | Twin: Just joking :) |
| 08:21.29 | Twiun | proti: no problem |
| 08:22.21 | proti | I build and run the kernel 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa-embedix-021129 with OZ. |
| 08:22.55 | proti | Anyway I had a lot of warning from jffs2 when booting and the / is mounted ro now. |
| 08:23.38 | proti | This is the kernel from the SHARP 3.10 rom. |
| 08:24.06 | Twiun | did you also rebuild your image? |
| 08:24.56 | Twiun | proti: you can't mix and match, it's Sharp kernel+Sharp image, OR OZ kernel+ OZ image |
| 08:25.27 | proti | Twiun: Yes I did, initrd from Openzaurus and Kernel from sharp rebuild + jffs2 support activated. |
| 08:25.53 | proti | Twiun: It is working just now. |
| 08:25.56 | proti | :) |
| 08:26.29 | Twiun | then that's pretty unsupported |
| 08:27.03 | proti | Why Not ? The only difference is OZ is jffs2 whereas SHARP is CRAMFS. |
| 08:28.56 | Twiun | proti: the OZ kernel is usually patched differently to the Sharp one - you can't assume both will have the same patches applied |
| 08:29.11 | Twiun | proti: especially as the Sharp kernel patches are atrocious |
| 08:29.13 | schurig | slashdot wrote "UK Makes Spamming a Fineable Offense" |
| 08:29.16 | Twiun | ibot: spell atrocious |
| 08:29.16 | | 'atrocious' may be spelled correctly |
| 08:29.20 | schurig | at least the brits have some sense |
| 08:29.31 | Twiun | schurig: think they'll actually make that stick? |
| 08:29.43 | Twiun | schurig: most of my spam originates from .cn |
| 08:30.02 | schurig | hmm, Hong Kong should have taken over China, not the other way |
| 08:30.14 | schurig | then the brits would have some influence on Spam laws over there |
| 08:30.26 | proti | Twiun: I know and I agree the patch is terrible. But the kernel was working really great and it is the only recent kernel which is working. |
| 08:31.12 | Twiun | proti: fancy chipping in with getting the OZ ones finished? |
| 08:32.16 | proti | Twiun: I don't know where to start. There is a lot of alternative trees for ARM and a lot of arch. |
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| 08:32.49 | proti | Moreover the patches for support are not really cleanly separated. |
| 08:33.25 | Twiun | at the moment, the patches that are applied to .21 are working fine afaik - the remaining issues are minor but annoying |
| 08:34.02 | proti | Twiun: The remaining issue is that CF is not working and that is more than annoying. |
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| 08:35.03 | Twiun | proti: so that translates to pcmcia or hotplug not behaving |
| 08:36.13 | proti | Twiun: No, I got ide errors when I insert the card (like a bad ide drive) |
| 08:37.33 | Twiun | proti: iirc that's also handled by the pcmcia ide driver |
| 08:38.44 | proti | Twiun: Yes. My point is the CF is properly recognized and It detects it is an IDE (hda appears). |
| 08:39.03 | proti | Twiun: But it can't read anything. |
| 08:39.53 | Twiun | proti: so you're working yourself to the kernel ide driver having a bug? |
| 08:42.04 | proti | Twiun: No, I'm not that good. I think I'm going to look for regression between the 2.4.6 ,2.4.21 and 2.4.18-embeddix |
| 08:43.30 | Twiun | proti: any help is appreciated |
| 08:44.51 | proti | Twiun: Thanks. |
| 08:46.03 | proti | Twiun: I'm concentrating now on my problem, the jffs2 problem is not an hardware problem so I think it is easier to fix. |
| 08:46.24 | proti | Twiun: Then, I plan to play with the 2.4.21. |
| 08:47.05 | Twiun | proti: My first impression of 2.4.21 was good (about 4 months ago) |
| 08:47.24 | Twiun | proti: only non working bits were usb, sd and suspend |
| 08:48.04 | proti | Twiun: and PCMCIA or IDE, it makes a lot don't you think so ? |
| 08:49.33 | Twiun | proti: ide was working fine for me |
| 08:49.39 | Twiun | proti: on my 5000d |
| 08:49.55 | proti | Twiun: got 5500 and it is not working. |
| 08:50.15 | Twiun | proti: hmmm |
| 08:50.49 | proti | Twiun: Indeed :) |
| 08:50.53 | Twiun | no idea why that would be then |
| 08:51.00 | Twiun | the 5000d and 5500 aren't that different |
| 08:51.04 | proti | Want the dmesg ? |
| 08:51.24 | Twiun | if it's <5 lines, sure paste it on here, otherwise #flood |
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| 08:57.32 | lsmith | yipee |
| 08:57.36 | lsmith | got a replacement zaurus! |
| 08:57.51 | lsmith | this time i will take greater care not to get it scratched up |
| 08:57.52 | proti | Twiun: can't yet, I must reproduce by flashing a 2.4.21. And I have now way |
| 08:58.58 | Twiun | proti: understandable - there's no rush |
| 08:59.21 | Twiun | proti: it's probably more useful to talk about these things when the US wakes up as well |
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| 09:02.33 | proti | Twiun: I think so. |
| 09:03.34 | Twiun | proti: where are you based? |
| 09:05.20 | proti | Twiun: France, Paris. |
| 09:05.44 | mickeyl | bon jour |
| 09:05.54 | proti | mickeyl: Hey, got the SHARP kernel working on OZ. |
| 09:06.06 | proti | mickeyl: Bonjour. |
| 09:06.09 | mickeyl | proti: d'oh! That's great! |
| 09:06.43 | proti | mickeyl: look at the log to see what is wrong now (/ mounted ro, warning by jff2). |
| 09:07.16 | Twiun | proti: Alors, salut proti ;) I'm french, but in England, London. |
| 09:07.45 | proti | Twiun: Salut :) |
| 09:07.47 | mickeyl | I loved my vacation in Nantes a few montsh ago |
| 09:07.55 | mickeyl | all the people were really nice |
| 09:07.59 | mickeyl | and the wine... |
| 09:08.01 | mickeyl | and the cheese... |
| 09:08.03 | mickeyl | :D |
| 09:08.29 | proti | Ha, those tourists, they're all the same .... :) |
| 09:08.53 | mickeyl | not in this case. we were invited to a mariage and my wife was the maid of honor :) |
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| 09:11.35 | mickeyl | i even had to sing a song with home-made french lyrics |
| 09:11.43 | mickeyl | and my french sucks - really! :) |
| 09:11.55 | mickeyl | but it was fun |
| 09:13.22 | mickeyl | proti: tell me more about the 2.4.18 on collie |
| 09:13.30 | mickeyl | proti: any place i could see a boot log? |
| 09:17.57 | proti | mickeyl: yes e-mail ? |
| 09:22.54 | mickeyl | proti: yeah please |
| 09:22.59 | mickeyl | proti: mickeyl@handhelds.org |
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| 09:25.06 | BBMatthew | hello people |
| 09:25.13 | BBMatthew | or should that be Arrr? |
| 09:25.14 | mickeyl | moin BBMatthew |
| 09:25.20 | mickeyl | d'oh |
| 09:25.24 | mickeyl | :) |
| 09:29.57 | BBMatthew | mickeyl, how do you get ibot to tell you how long its been since someone is online? |
| 09:30.10 | mickeyl | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 09:30.12 | | kergoth <~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 5h 13m 47s ago, saying: 'yeah, thats odd. well, ipkg does suck.'. |
| 09:30.33 | BBMatthew | hehe, tell me is he always touch about things? |
| 09:30.54 | mickeyl | touch? |
| 09:30.56 | mickeyl | or tough? |
| 09:31.14 | proti | mickeyl: here you are. |
| 09:31.14 | BBMatthew | touchy |
| 09:31.41 | mickeyl | well... |
| 09:31.50 | BBMatthew | never mind |
| 09:31.52 | mickeyl | he is a one of the few people who are really talented |
| 09:32.07 | BBMatthew | this I know and fully acknowledge |
| 09:32.11 | mickeyl | and years of unix tech support is habit forming |
| 09:32.37 | BBMatthew | that explains everything, I did a stint at windows helldesk for a year |
| 09:32.56 | BBMatthew | ibot seen ljp |
| 09:32.56 | | ljp is currently on #opie (2d 13h 21m 18s) #gpe (2d 13h 21m 18s) #zaurus (2d 13h 21m 18s) #openembedded (2d 13h 21m 18s) #handhelds.org (2d 13h 21m 18s) #openzaurus (2d 13h 21m 18s). Has said a total of 195 messages. Is idling for 3h 49m 52s |
| 09:33.04 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 09:33.21 | mickeyl | since ljp is in australia |
| 09:33.23 | BBMatthew | need to push a patch for the opie build on a zaurus |
| 09:33.25 | mickeyl | his time zone is wicked |
| 09:33.30 | BBMatthew | gotcha |
| 09:33.36 | mickeyl | BBMatthew: tell me about it. patch for what? |
| 09:34.06 | BBMatthew | the build system currently is ignoring the buildroot for its optimization flags |
| 09:34.16 | mickeyl | ah. |
| 09:34.32 | mickeyl | send me that patch, i'll look into it, and if it doesn't seem to break anything, I'll apply it. |
| 09:34.56 | BBMatthew | it just needs a tweak of the packages/opie/zaurus-BRANCH_1_0 to use $CFLAGS_EXTRA I think |
| 09:35.03 | BBMatthew | ibot CFLAGS_EXTRA |
| 09:35.04 | | wish i knew, BBMatthew |
| 09:35.21 | BBMatthew | rats working out which variable is what in the buildroot is tricky |
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| 09:38.21 | proti | mickeyl: Got the mail ? |
| 09:38.45 | mickeyl | yup, reading... |
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| 09:43.36 | BBMatthew | are any of the variables in Vars.make regarded as 'internal' and are we supposed to only use certain ones outside of Vars.make? |
| 09:48.26 | mickeyl | BBMatthew: surely |
| 09:48.41 | mickeyl | there are definitly some containing temporary results |
| 09:48.45 | mickeyl | but i don't know which ones |
| 09:48.49 | mickeyl | you have to read Vars.make to be sure |
| 09:49.40 | mickeyl | proti: jffs2 bitches a lot, but other than that... what does not work? |
| 09:59.23 | proti | mickeyl: the root fs is mounted read-only. |
| 10:00.05 | proti | mickeyl: because of the jffs2 bitching. |
| 10:00.08 | mickeyl | ah |
| 10:00.25 | mickeyl | proti: so what did you do to get it booting? |
| 10:02.12 | proti | proti: get the linux-sl5500-20030509-rom3_10.tar.bz2 from zaurus.com. |
| 10:02.58 | proti | mickeyl: cp def-configs/sl5500g to .config, make menuconfig, add jffs2 filesystem support. |
| 10:03.27 | mickeyl | and which kernel command line? |
| 10:03.40 | proti | mickeyl: and then modified the cmdline with root=mtdblock4 |
| 10:04.05 | proti | mickeyl: root=/dev/mtdblock4 mem=32m |
| 10:04.15 | mickeyl | no partition overwriting? |
| 10:04.21 | proti | mickeyl: no. |
| 10:04.27 | mickeyl | ah. then that's probably the cause for the jffs problem |
| 10:04.40 | proti | mickeyl: huh ? |
| 10:05.04 | mickeyl | i'm not sure if the standard mtd table matches the oz layout. |
| 10:05.22 | mickeyl | and if you don't override the mtd partitioning, you're using the standard table as defined in mtd.c |
| 10:05.30 | mickeyl | (or sa1110-mtd.c) |
| 10:05.46 | mickeyl | proti: take a look at our patches to 2.4.6 |
| 10:06.24 | proti | mickeyl: let me see. |
| 10:06.59 | mickeyl | $OZDIR/packages/kernel/jffs2.patch contains the interesting stuff |
| 10:07.23 | mickeyl | push that up to 2.4.18 and it should boot |
| 10:07.41 | mickeyl | without jffs2 warning |
| 10:09.19 | BBMatthew | mickeyl, how do you want your patch, sir? |
| 10:10.03 | mickeyl | BBMatthew: unified diff please |
| 10:10.15 | mickeyl | BBMatthew: ==> mickeyl@handhelds.org |
| 10:10.17 | BBMatthew | against the buildroot or just the file? |
| 10:10.37 | mickeyl | BBMatthew: if it's only one file, then do it just against that file |
| 10:12.02 | BBMatthew | ok |
| 10:14.37 | proti | mickeyl: diff dont apply. I'm doing patch by hand. |
| 10:14.43 | BBMatthew | gah didn't keep the original file |
| 10:14.54 | mickeyl | BBMatthew: bk diffs |
| 10:22.55 | proti | mickeyl: there is no collie_partitions anymore in 2.4.18. |
| 10:25.13 | mickeyl | proti: that's maybe why it wasn't that easy for the people who tried to move that up to 2.4.18 |
| 10:25.31 | mickeyl | proti: you have to browse through the source to see where the partitions are defined. |
| 10:26.03 | BBMatthew | mickeyl, there is a little problem :) well not so little. I can change vars.make to export the FULL_OPTIMIZATION flag and directly use that, or I can extract it via a makefile expression from the cpp environment variable. |
| 10:26.25 | BBMatthew | both have issues advantages |
| 10:27.09 | proti | mickeyl: the config says CONFIG_MTD_MTDROM_SA1100 and CONFIG_MTD_MTDRAM_SA1100 |
| 10:27.47 | mickeyl | BBMatthew: no idea what to prefer. do what is the least intrusive |
| 10:28.06 | mickeyl | proti: good. then it might be in sa1100-mtdram.c |
| 10:29.00 | BBMatthew | mickeyl, will get back to you after investigating the way opie uses that config file. I would think keeping all the mods in the file the best idea |
| 10:29.03 | BBMatthew | :q |
| 10:29.42 | mickeyl | yes |
| 10:29.44 | mickeyl | sounds reasonable |
| 10:29.48 | mickeyl | better patch opie |
| 10:29.51 | mickeyl | than buildroot |
| 10:29.59 | mickeyl | that affects only one package |
| 10:30.10 | mickeyl | lunch time |
| 10:30.25 | BBMatthew | it would still be a buildroot patch but to a file buildroot copies into its compile dir |
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| 12:33.15 | Com[Plex] | has anyone here tried to get bas or blassic working on the z? I got cocoa-basic running, but it "sucks" big time. |
| 12:33.16 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 12:35.40 | Twiun | what are those? |
| 12:35.56 | Com[Plex] | Basic interpreters |
| 12:36.04 | Com[Plex] | the old programming language |
| 12:36.15 | Com[Plex] | from early dos days. haha |
| 12:36.46 | TMM1 | wow |
| 12:36.47 | Twiun | I've done some basic - I didn't realise the Z had some potentials though |
| 12:37.02 | TMM1 | no water |
| 12:37.03 | Com[Plex] | I remember when we used to "buy' games, and they came as a magazine. with about 19 pages of code for soemthing like "spy hunter". because disks were too expensive. |
| 12:37.39 | Twiun | yeah, and the print was so small that a 0 and O were too easily confused |
| 12:37.43 | TMM1 | Due to the extreme power outages caused by Hurricane Isabel, power has been lost to the Fairfax County Water Authority water supply plants. Subsequently, water supply levels are critically low. Please conserve your personal use of water to preserve the supply for critical uses such as fire protection |
| 12:37.46 | Com[Plex] | it was fun. a family event, hell. my Grandmother used to sit down with us and type in code. |
| 12:38.01 | TMM1 | The water authority is also urging residents to boil their water before using it. Due to a subsequent loss of pressure in the water system, the drinking water supply for Fairfax County Water Authority may have been both depleted and compromised. As a precautionary measure, you must boil water before using for drinking or cooking. |
| 12:38.04 | Twiun | used to be a mammoth task |
| 12:38.22 | Com[Plex] | yep :> |
| 12:38.37 | Com[Plex] | took a lot of work to debug a 30 page program. |
| 12:39.38 | Com[Plex] | back when we had one of the first commodores. since floppies were so expensive, we would take a floppy disk, cut a notch in the oposite site where the write protect "tab" went <sticker> and we could use the disk on both sides :> |
| 12:39.55 | Com[Plex] | therby doublung its capacity to a whopping 68k |
| 12:39.57 | Com[Plex] | 680 |
| 12:40.08 | Com[Plex] | actually, our first floppy drive was a 7 inch I think.. |
| 12:40.25 | yeiazel | my sister tried the same on a 720k disk |
| 12:40.31 | yeiazel | it didn't work |
| 12:40.37 | yeiazel | (with an atari 520 ste) |
| 12:40.38 | Com[Plex] | err.. maybe not.. I cant remember where we had the 7inch floppy |
| 12:40.43 | Com[Plex] | nice |
| 12:40.49 | Com[Plex] | hehe. |
| 12:40.57 | Com[Plex] | shit man, I gotta go to weork :< |
| 12:41.37 | Com[Plex] | I wish I could get ahold of mmhart. |
| 12:46.50 | Com[Plex] | ooh, I just compiled bas 1.6 to run on my pc. |
| 12:46.56 | Com[Plex] | nbow I ust gottqa compile it on my z :) |
| 12:47.26 | BBMatthew | hmm |
| 12:48.22 | BBMatthew | ibot seen mickey |
| 12:48.23 | | mickey <mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 8d 18h 3m 48s ago, saying: 'metadata are enough + some heuristic logic for autobuilds'. |
| 12:48.31 | BBMatthew | ibot seen mickeyl |
| 12:48.31 | | mickeyl <mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 2h 18m 21s ago, saying: 'lunch time'. |
| 12:48.43 | BBMatthew | 2hr lunch break -- nice |
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| 13:08.02 | Twiun | BBMatthew: it's pretty common in europe |
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| 13:16.41 | BBMatthew | not for me its not :( |
| 13:16.53 | BBMatthew | mickeyl, got the patch sorted am emailing it now |
| 13:17.51 | mickeyl | k, will have a look at it later |
| 13:17.55 | mickeyl | now it's too sunny :) |
| 13:18.05 | Twiun | BBMatthew: no flexi-time? |
| 13:22.59 | BBMatthew | nah |
| 13:23.11 | BBMatthew | am a student so technically its all flexible |
| 13:24.03 | BBMatthew | gotogo dance, will be back to be flamed later |
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| 14:12.21 | proti | mickeyl: no luck for the jffs2, seemes the thing looses its pants. |
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| 14:13.36 | icefox | Hey has anyone tried getting Quake working with the newer gcc etc and warmi's asm blt functions on on of the x400 devices? |
| 14:13.52 | mickeyl | proti: ? |
| 14:13.59 | mickeyl | proti: a bit more detail would be nice :) |
| 14:17.10 | mickeyl | anyway, work on 2.4.18-embedix is probably wasted. better help us finish 2.4.21-cl |
| 14:17.18 | icefox | actually where is the world is the source for the quake port? |
| 14:17.26 | proti | mickeyl: been able to active the logs, when mounting the / it barfs, I tried on an brand new oz initrd.bin |
| 14:17.32 | icefox | anyone happen to know where to got deposited this last year? |
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| 14:18.26 | proti | mickeyl: btw, the cmdline was wrong, the one I used to boot is 'root=/dev/mtdblock0 mem=32m' |
| 14:18.35 | mickeyl | proti: did you integrate the support for the collie flash chips into 2.4.18 (CONFIG_MTD_COLLIE) ? |
| 14:19.39 | proti | mickeyl: there is no such thing as CONFIG_MTD_COLLIE. |
| 14:20.05 | mickeyl | proti: yeah, that's why you must bring it forward from 2.4.6 |
| 14:20.32 | absentia | later |
| 14:20.43 | mickeyl | i told you it wouldn't be _that_ easy. best is to forget it and help us with 2.4.21 |
| 14:20.53 | mickeyl | (did i say that already? :D |
| 14:21.53 | proti | mickeyl: I'm a bit deaf sometimes :). |
| 14:22.08 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:22.19 | proti | mickeyl: how comes the SHARP rom work then ? |
| 14:22.52 | mickeyl | because they are not using jffs2 for collie |
| 14:24.04 | proti | mickeyl: let me figure this, the mtd map is the partition table equivalent ? |
| 14:24.27 | mickeyl | ya |
| 14:25.05 | proti | mickey: and now it barfs because it takes the whole mtd whereas it should get only one slice ? |
| 14:25.15 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 14:25.40 | proti | mickeyl: cool, now I understand better. |
| 14:26.25 | proti | :j |
| 14:27.10 | proti | in the drivers/mtd there is two files named sharp_sl.c and sharp_sl_logical, what are they used for ? |
| 14:28.23 | mickeyl | but as i've said, that is probably not enough. you need to patch sa1100-flash and check for the chips/collie_sharp. the support for the old flash chips may be integrated in sharpsl-nand now, but i'm not sure |
| 14:28.36 | mickeyl | no idea |
| 14:28.40 | mickeyl | i can't walk you through the code |
| 14:28.43 | mickeyl | read and learn |
| 14:30.20 | proti | mickeyl: ok just tell me, the flash chip of the zaurus what kind of chip is this ? NAND chip ? |
| 14:31.02 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:31.20 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.20 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.49 | mickeyl | i'm not a kernel hacker |
| 14:32.01 | mickeyl | more details can be get out of kergoth |
| 14:32.05 | mickeyl | (if he's in the mood) |
| 14:32.05 | mickeyl | :D |
| 14:32.52 | proti | mickeyl: ok thanks a lot, this is more than what I hoped. |
| 14:33.17 | mickeyl | bbl folks |
| 14:33.22 | mickeyl | sun is calling |
| 14:34.53 | TMM1 | whats that thing that convert a number into its english word equivalent |
| 14:36.27 | prpplague | TMM1: enumerations |
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| 14:42.02 | pyromance | Morning |
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| 14:53.32 | absentia | is there a channel her efor irc help? and/or does anyone know how to list all users (including invisible) on a server [including even if yo need to be an operator?] thanks |
| 14:54.19 | Twiun | try popping into #freenode I think |
| 14:55.16 | gb2 | absentia: that's server-specific |
| 14:55.53 | pyromance | Sharp and others get sued for .... using binary? http://money.excite.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt.jsp?news_id=reu-n18293384&feed=reu&date=20030918 |
| 14:58.25 | absentia | this has got to be the WORST attempt to explain this: |
| 14:58.27 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.36 | absentia | whoever wrote that should not be allowed to cover tech |
| 15:02.20 | schurig | pyromance: no, I think that this lawsuit is ok. All people in the computerworld used base 1024 for kB, MB, GB. And then some marketing people switched partly to base 1000 to deceive people. |
| 15:02.22 | pyromance | hehe |
| 15:02.44 | schurig | pyromance: I have no problems that those marketing frogs get some fine |
| 15:02.51 | pyromance | I am all for truth in advertising, but it's not the manufacturer's fault if the customer doesn't read the fine print |
| 15:03.42 | schurig | pyromance: it's about the intent. The switched to 1000base simply to deceive people. |
| 15:04.20 | schurig | it's not because they suddenly love metric systems, the US still has miles, inches, horsepower etc |
| 15:04.28 | pyromance | This is true, but Western Digital, Maxstor, IBM, Toshiba, (insert other hard drive manufactuerer names here) did it first, and the computer manufacturers were just following |
| 15:04.56 | schurig | at least IBM and Toshiba are under the ones that get a lawsuit :-) |
| 15:05.39 | absentia | yes, but this is well known |
| 15:06.26 | schurig | anyway, I call it a day |
| 15:06.36 | pyromance | It's a day |
| 15:06.41 | pyromance | A day? I just woke! |
| 15:08.41 | Twiun | I'll call it a day in an hour or so as well ;) |
| 15:10.02 | pyromance | OH GOD HELP ME ... |
| 15:10.04 | pyromance | http://www.zug.com/pranks/riaa/ |
| 15:13.07 | Twiun | hhaha |
| 15:17.09 | pyromance | the call to Apple for iTunes was great. |
| 15:17.20 | pyromance | "Why don't you support PCs?" "Because we're Apple." |
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| 15:33.57 | cyn_ | I like his signature prank personally |
| 15:34.06 | cyn_ | that's golden |
| 15:35.36 | pyromance | The credit one? |
| 15:35.38 | pyromance | Yeah |
| 15:35.40 | pyromance | "Zeus" |
| 15:36.33 | pyromance | I get constantly accused of fraud 'cause no one believes my last name |
| 15:39.23 | pyromance | mornin kergoth |
| 15:39.32 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:40.16 | Twiun | hey Chris |
| 15:41.22 | kergoth | not a bad idea. |
| 15:44.05 | gb2 | kergoth: make -e wasn't the issue |
| 15:44.11 | gb2 | still don't know what the problem is though. |
| 15:44.12 | icefox | Anyone happen to play around with the quake source? |
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| 15:45.01 | kergoth | gb2: odd |
| 15:45.23 | gb2 | i may still be missing a variable or two from the uclibc toolchain build |
| 15:45.31 | gb2 | it's tricky to walk over it looking for those though |
| 15:45.41 | gb2 | so i just change something, clean build, change something, clean build |
| 15:48.09 | kergoth | hmm. |
| 15:49.12 | gb2 | the errors i'm seeing suggest gcc ought to be using native (host) headers for some of these rather than target headers |
| 15:49.58 | kergoth | that wouldnt be surprising, given you're HOST vars are native. |
| 15:50.03 | kergoth | s/you're/your/ |
| 15:50.14 | kergoth | make sure staging/target isnt in your flag vars |
| 15:50.18 | kergoth | are you using the cross oeclass? |
| 15:50.37 | gb2 | i am using the cross oeclass at the moment |
| 15:50.56 | gb2 | for some things though, it needs the target headers. |
| 15:51.53 | kergoth | gb2: set the includedir and oldincludedir to the cross_dir/include, it can get hte glibc headers there, if and when it wants to. leave it within _its_ control |
| 15:51.57 | kergoth | k brb |
| 15:56.00 | gb2 | that's what i'm doing |
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| 15:57.33 | kergoth | gb2: well hell, i'm out of ideas then. |
| 15:59.03 | gb2 | i'm sure i'll find it eventually |
| 16:00.28 | kergoth | hmm, opiniions on oeinstall syntax? |
| 16:00.39 | kergoth | right now i'm thinking just pass it the filenames of shit you want in the image, whether it be tar, ipk, whatever |
| 16:02.06 | gb2 | oeimage syntax? |
| 16:02.22 | kergoth | oeimage just takes a rootfs and makes an image out of it, obeying config |
| 16:02.22 | kergoth | i.e. |
| 16:02.29 | kergoth | oeimage -t jffs2 -r tmp/rootfs |
| 16:02.35 | gb2 | ok. |
| 16:02.42 | kergoth | oeinstall is like, oeinstall -f tmp/depoy/tar/* -r tmp/rootfs |
| 16:02.44 | gb2 | oeinstall generates tmp/rootfs? |
| 16:02.46 | kergoth | right |
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| 16:03.04 | kergoth | or, in a simplistic, native build, oeinstall -r / -f tmp/deploy/tar/* is not unlike make install |
| 16:03.07 | treke | morning |
| 16:03.08 | kergoth | heh. |
| 16:03.22 | gb2 | yeah |
| 16:03.28 | kergoth | morning greg |
| 16:03.39 | gb2 | think about specials, permissions, ownership though |
| 16:03.44 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:03.49 | kergoth | the tarballs will have that proper inside them |
| 16:03.55 | kergoth | they dont now, but they will |
| 16:04.24 | gb2 | oeinstall -o manifest -r tmp/rootfs tmp/deploy/ipk/*.ipk |
| 16:05.04 | gb2 | oeimage -m manifest -t jffs2 -o foo.img tmp/rootfs |
| 16:05.16 | gb2 | or something like that |
| 16:05.26 | kergoth | manifest being something like the oz device_table? |
| 16:05.31 | gb2 | yeah |
| 16:05.31 | kergoth | file manifest with perm/special info? |
| 16:05.37 | gb2 | device table++ |
| 16:05.50 | gb2 | also lets you do a consistency check |
| 16:06.12 | Twiun | I like |
| 16:06.51 | kergoth | hmm, once I alter our packaging to retain file perm/special info in the packaging, we could have that piece generate a manifest based on the package output |
| 16:06.58 | kergoth | for use later on at image build time |
| 16:07.11 | kergoth | to reduce duplication of the info |
| 16:08.11 | mewyn | ugh |
| 16:08.18 | mewyn | i need to chuck this pos. |
| 16:08.22 | gb2 | or.. you could have oeinstall not even emit the rootfs |
| 16:08.37 | gb2 | and teach oeimage to take the manifest, and pull stuff out of the packages |
| 16:08.49 | gb2 | several options there. |
| 16:08.52 | kergoth | thats true. |
| 16:08.56 | kergoth | but we dont always want an image |
| 16:09.00 | kergoth | what if i want an nfs root |
| 16:09.13 | kergoth | so i say teach oeinstall to do image creation at the end |
| 16:09.17 | kergoth | optionally |
| 16:10.06 | kergoth | oeinstall -m manifest -r tmp/rootfs -f tmp/deploy/ipk/*.ipk -i jffs2 -o foo.img |
| 16:10.09 | kergoth | jesus |
| 16:10.11 | kergoth | eheh |
| 16:10.20 | kergoth | course all those values can default to items of metadata in the config |
| 16:10.24 | absentia | hey |
| 16:10.26 | kergoth | so usually you wont need to specify them all |
| 16:10.36 | absentia | has anyone seen it where under the latest OZ -- the popup keyboard gets tuck |
| 16:10.39 | absentia | and the keys make a funny noise |
| 16:10.42 | absentia | and then it types by itself? |
| 16:10.49 | Twiun | i'd say oedeploy -m manifest -t image|rootfs: image and rootfs being other oe scripts? |
| 16:11.07 | Twiun | delegate everything as much as possible? |
| 16:11.23 | kergoth | thatd keep things granular, less monolithic |
| 16:11.25 | kergoth | not a bad idea |
| 16:11.39 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 16:11.47 | Twiun | about about a concept of inclusing for manifests? |
| 16:11.52 | Twiun | inclusion |
| 16:12.01 | Twiun | recursive manifests ;) |
| 16:12.10 | kergoth | something like that would be good so our "overall" manifest pulls int he package manifests |
| 16:12.30 | kergoth | with the package ones autogenerated based on the perms at do_package time |
| 16:12.49 | Twiun | yeah |
| 16:13.15 | kergoth | joy, we get to write yet another parser |
| 16:13.16 | gb2 | kergoth: basically.. merge package metadata into one blob. |
| 16:13.17 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:13.26 | Twiun | I also see an opportunity to bundle the manifests in the ipk (or tarballs) |
| 16:13.40 | Twiun | extend the ipk metadata |
| 16:13.45 | kergoth | well, tar will implicitly contain the perm/special info |
| 16:13.47 | gb2 | and something to apply that blob to install it |
| 16:13.47 | Twiun | without breaking ipk BI |
| 16:13.49 | kergoth | just not in our manifest form |
| 16:14.16 | kergoth | so we could have a little script that takes a tar, and pulls its perms and special info on its files |
| 16:14.32 | gb2 | ofcourse.. that sounds somewhat redundant |
| 16:14.44 | kergoth | or.. |
| 16:14.52 | kergoth | we run the image creation / rootfs population in fakeroot |
| 16:15.01 | kergoth | eliminating the need for the device table |
| 16:15.18 | kergoth | we'll already be using it to ensure the do_install perms make it into the ipk/tarball |
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| 16:17.24 | kergoth | i hate adding another dependency, but at least it can be built by itself |
| 16:17.26 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:17.29 | gb2 | kergoth: i dislike fakeroot |
| 16:17.43 | gb2 | it always strikes me as the wrong solution |
| 16:17.50 | kergoth | you going to add device_table support to GNU tar then for me? |
| 16:17.59 | kergoth | cause without that support, fakeroot is the only option |
| 16:18.01 | gb2 | heh |
| 16:18.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:19.43 | kergoth | in our case, fakeroot is just doing what the manifest does |
| 16:19.55 | kergoth | passes information around between processes about file permissions and specials |
| 16:19.59 | kergoth | only its implicit, not explicit |
| 16:20.14 | gb2 | yeah |
| 16:20.26 | Twiun | explicit allows for partial rebuilds if something breaks though |
| 16:20.41 | Twiun | implicit you have to regenerate the info to make sure you've got a clean copy |
| 16:20.41 | kergoth | so does implicit, if you pass it the same fakeroot control file |
| 16:20.54 | kergoth | assuming it still exists of course |
| 16:21.02 | Twiun | of course |
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| 16:22.49 | kergoth | this all comes down to whether or not you want to have the ownership, permissions, and mknod calls in the do_install of a package, or in a seperate manifest. frankly i dont care either way, but the latter means we need to enhance our tools |
| 16:22.59 | kergoth | which means oe needs to obtain and patch a local buildtool gnu tar |
| 16:23.23 | Twiun | hrm |
| 16:23.39 | gb2 | how good is the busybox tar? |
| 16:23.54 | Twiun | to me, separating data from the actuall processing code sounds good |
| 16:24.04 | kergoth | its not bad, and we have the advantage of knowing the guy who maintains it |
| 16:24.15 | kergoth | it doesnt have devtable support yet either of course :) |
| 16:24.28 | kergoth | Twiun: indeed, though for the user / package maintainer, it wont be what they're used to |
| 16:24.46 | kergoth | involves a certain amount of learning curve, and also involves a certain amount of maintainance keeping the two items in sync |
| 16:24.56 | kergoth | shouldnt be too bad though |
| 16:25.15 | gb2 | kergoth: i was thinking that it might be worth adding framework for using busybox as a build tool |
| 16:25.30 | gb2 | since if we ran into some other thing, busybox would probably have it |
| 16:25.33 | gb2 | ;) |
| 16:25.33 | kergoth | hehe, i could see us using libbb for the new c++ backend, in fact |
| 16:25.46 | kergoth | since it has a _lot_ of handy dandy minimal useful functionality |
| 16:25.53 | kergoth | like, hooks into the unarchival code |
| 16:25.53 | Twiun | kergoth: isn't there a python tar version anywhere? |
| 16:25.55 | kergoth | for unpack |
| 16:26.17 | kergoth | dunno |
| 16:26.51 | absentia | has anyone seen it where under the latest OZ -- the popup keyboard gets tuck .. and then it types by itself (ie: keys get stuck?) |
| 16:27.23 | kergoth | absentia: yeah i have. tends to happen on card insertion/removal, and hangs in pure console outside of opie as well |
| 16:27.32 | kergoth | "something" can hang the system for a period |
| 16:27.34 | absentia | ah, ok. |
| 16:27.38 | kergoth | not sure whats up |
| 16:27.38 | absentia | I may have done that |
| 16:28.06 | absentia | I was going to do more testing... what i was doing was flashing to oz... then using aqpkg to try to install *all* of the packages... doing 1 or 2 at a time... using the opie-blah and opie-blah packages |
| 16:28.18 | kergoth | ah, cool |
| 16:28.18 | Twiun | kergoth: just so you know, the reason why I'm pushing for the process/data separation is because I'm thinking of guis (console/X/etc) for maintaining all that stuff |
| 16:28.22 | absentia | it seemed to happen after I did opie-stylewriter (??) or opie-handwriting or something |
| 16:28.33 | kergoth | Twiun: ah |
| 16:28.45 | absentia | also, my card goes in, it gets an ip, etc.. I can ping my wifi -- but I can't get knq to get out.... or aqpkg... or irc.... any ideas there? |
| 16:28.48 | Twiun | kergoth: not exclusive of course, more as helpers |
| 16:28.57 | kergoth | well, the gui for maintianing that would have to comprehend the content of do_install, which implies helper functions for installing files, i'd say. |
| 16:29.16 | kergoth | ala dh_changelog, portage's dobin,dodir |
| 16:29.27 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 16:29.41 | kergoth | if it had that, the gui could list exactly what files will exist, and their permissions |
| 16:29.54 | kergoth | and the user could even control which files they want in the packages, optionally |
| 16:29.57 | kergoth | if they feel so inclined |
| 16:30.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:30.27 | kergoth | "no no, i want _this_ ssh_config, not that one.. *click*" |
| 16:30.38 | Twiun | also, with recursive manifests, you could build a whole image/rootfs just by manipulating manifests |
| 16:30.52 | Twiun | graphically |
| 16:31.27 | Twiun | ... but that will probably happen later ;) |
| 16:31.32 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 16:31.50 | kergoth | as long as you can select to include/notinclude entire submanifests, aka "packages", i'd like that |
| 16:32.18 | kergoth | dont want to lose the ability to say "i dont want anything openssh includes in my image" in one or two clicks |
| 16:32.42 | Twiun | that could be dictated pretty much by their natural dependencies |
| 16:32.52 | Twiun | or we could have a switch with 'ignore dependencies' |
| 16:33.20 | kergoth | hmm. |
| 16:33.40 | kergoth | i was thinking the deployment tool would take a tarball or an ipk, but should we hand it the .oe and let it locate the deployed files if they exist instead? |
| 16:34.08 | Twiun | if it saves a redundant step of packaging, sure why not |
| 16:34.14 | kergoth | would make it easeier |
| 16:34.35 | Twiun | I second the notion :) |
| 16:34.38 | kergoth | packaging is cool if needed, but you could just as easily set D to the rootfs and run do_install |
| 16:34.41 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:35.17 | Twiun | what about do_install -d? |
| 16:35.25 | Twiun | instead of messing with env vars? |
| 16:35.41 | kergoth | the entire nature of teh system is to use env vars |
| 16:35.59 | kergoth | the tools can take -r to specify rootfs, but that just defines D and calls the do_install function from teh package's metadata |
| 16:36.19 | kergoth | dont think of it as "env vars" |
| 16:36.22 | kergoth | think of it as metadata. |
| 16:36.36 | kergoth | it isnt that its shell oriented, its that its driven not by commandline, but by an existing metadata store. |
| 16:36.39 | Twiun | I do, just uncomfortable with unchecked access to metadata |
| 16:36.56 | kergoth | well, remember that changes to metadata dont go upstream |
| 16:37.01 | Twiun | true |
| 16:37.11 | kergoth | changes in an .oe only affect that package's data |
| 16:37.17 | kergoth | and dont go up to the config data thats global |
| 16:37.29 | kergoth | we need a way to push changes up, but it needs to be very explicit. |
| 16:38.02 | Twiun | absolutely |
| 16:38.53 | kergoth | also need a way to push changes sideways. "tell that package i want him built native, as a seperate package from his normal self" |
| 16:38.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:39.42 | Twiun | times like this you want a good event handling system to decouple things ;) |
| 16:39.53 | Twiun | also allows vetos |
| 16:40.19 | kergoth | yeah. right now we only use "event handling" in the case of triggers based on task completion/failure, ti doesnt consider metadata changes as events |
| 16:41.59 | collord | with zynot? |
| 16:42.23 | kergoth | zynot wants their system highly coupled to the distro |
| 16:42.29 | kergoth | they dont seem to realize that it doesnt _have_ to be |
| 16:42.35 | gb2 | what was the reason again for c++ over c? |
| 16:42.45 | kergoth | gb2: easier binding to python, per mickeyl's suggestion |
| 16:42.51 | gb2 | ah, ok. |
| 16:42.52 | Twiun | tight coupling is shere folly these days of OO anyway |
| 16:43.00 | kergoth | Twiun: agreed |
| 16:43.26 | kergoth | I wouldnt mind a pure C implementation.. what we're doing is inherently object oriented, but i dont mind doing that in C |
| 16:43.38 | kergoth | but i know people will want python tools, since its quick & easy |
| 16:43.51 | Twiun | easy to extend at least |
| 16:43.55 | gb2 | i find object oriented C that sticks to a decent coding standard to be the most readable |
| 16:44.16 | gb2 | the problem is the "sticks to a decent coding standard" part |
| 16:44.19 | kergoth | let me just say now, that every damn file in this code is going to have modelines |
| 16:44.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:44.37 | Twiun | modelines? |
| 16:44.56 | gb2 | twiun: auto sets editors for tabstops, etc. |
| 16:44.58 | kergoth | Twiun: automatically adjust your editor's tab/space handling with a line in the comments |
| 16:45.20 | kergoth | i never understood why more people dont use them |
| 16:45.24 | Twiun | Ahhh |
| 16:45.27 | kergoth | it reduces the possibility of getting mixed formatting |
| 16:45.30 | gb2 | kergoth: i'm lazy |
| 16:45.30 | kergoth | whcih is a pain in the ass to clean |
| 16:45.35 | kergoth | hehe, there is that. |
| 16:45.37 | gb2 | that's why i fail to put them in mine |
| 16:45.48 | kergoth | i add them to every file i edit, whether its my codebase or not |
| 16:45.50 | kergoth | so i dont fuck it up |
| 16:46.20 | gb2 | i think i had one project where i figured out the vi and emacs ones that were appropriate and added both |
| 16:46.53 | gb2 | then i spent an hour figuring out why my vim wasn't honoring it |
| 16:46.54 | Twiun | right... gotta go home |
| 16:47.05 | gb2 | i had something in my .vimrc which disabled it |
| 16:47.16 | kergoth | gb2: hehe. alot of people left it disabled cause it was a vim security risk in certain old versions |
| 16:47.19 | kergoth | iirc |
| 16:47.27 | gb2 | yeah |
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| 16:47.44 | gb2 | i had "set binary" in mine |
| 16:47.58 | gb2 | which in an old version basically meant "display ^M chars" |
| 16:48.05 | gb2 | atleast to me at the time it did |
| 16:48.23 | gb2 | it happens to have some effect, which results in modelines not being parsed |
| 16:48.33 | gb2 | but it's a cascade of like 2 things to cause the modelines not to be parsed |
| 16:48.37 | gb2 | so it took a while to figure out |
| 16:49.17 | kergoth | ahh |
| 16:51.16 | kergoth | so the consensus is to avoid the implicit fakeroot perm/special handling and go with the explicit file manifest solution? |
| 16:51.25 | kergoth | do we have any volunteers to add it to tar? |
| 16:51.42 | gb2 | i can do that i guess |
| 16:51.50 | kergoth | shouldnt take much, really |
| 16:51.54 | gb2 | yeah |
| 16:51.59 | gb2 | i'll look into it this evening |
| 16:51.59 | kergoth | it was added to mkfs.ext2, mkcramfs, mkfs.jffs2 |
| 16:52.04 | kergoth | could swipe one of their parsers |
| 16:52.09 | gb2 | ah |
| 16:52.12 | kergoth | though i think the first two were unofficial patches |
| 16:52.16 | kergoth | the last is in upstream |
| 16:52.21 | kergoth | (mkfs.jffs2) |
| 16:53.36 | kergoth | go ahead and change the naming from "device table" to file manifest, i like your manifest wording better, since it isnt device specific |
| 16:54.09 | gb2 | yeah |
| 16:54.14 | gb2 | i stole it from java i think ;) |
| 16:54.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:55.04 | kergoth | i wish the zynot folks werent so tied up in red tape. its all well and good to take a business-like use case approach to development, but there's a balance to be found |
| 16:55.15 | TMM1 | kergoth: sup |
| 16:55.31 | kergoth | TMM1: nada, working on the OE deployment tool(s) |
| 16:55.39 | TMM1 | kergoth: cool |
| 16:56.46 | TMM1 | va was declared a disaster area, 1.5 million people without power, more than that without water, and any water you do get you gotta boil cuz its toxic |
| 16:57.00 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 16:58.15 | SuKoSh| | hi |
| 16:58.25 | kergoth | hey SuKoSh| |
| 16:59.07 | SuKoSh| | hi kergoth |
| 16:59.54 | SuKoSh| | i really wish i could be able to help OZ project (i'm reading, mickeyl's call) |
| 17:00.00 | TMM1 | i have power and dsl though, and school got cancelled, so i'm happy. |
| 17:00.04 | SuKoSh| | but i'm too lame |
| 17:00.19 | TMM1 | SuKoSh|: you can convert packages to OE |
| 17:00.20 | TMM1 | its not that hard |
| 17:00.31 | SuKoSh| | explain me how |
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| 17:00.33 | SuKoSh| | and i'm in. |
| 17:00.35 | kergoth | yeah, mostly copy & paste, and so much is abstracted for autotools buildsystems its a no brainer |
| 17:00.39 | kergoth | well |
| 17:00.40 | kergoth | we need a doc on converting |
| 17:00.45 | SuKoSh| | yes please |
| 17:00.47 | TMM1 | yea we do |
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| 17:01.04 | SuKoSh| | if someone does this, i really can help a lot all night long ;) |
| 17:01.28 | SuKoSh| | (silly question, how can you do a screenshot from a terminal?) |
| 17:01.30 | kergoth | alright, i'll start on something |
| 17:01.33 | kergoth | i dunno when, but i will |
| 17:01.49 | TMM1 | ibot oe |
| 17:01.49 | | methinks oe is OpenEmbedded (see http://www.openembedded.org ), Outlook Express, or "Opportunistic Encryption" (see http://www.wavesec.org ) |
| 17:02.01 | pb_ | afternoon |
| 17:02.02 | TMM1 | ibot oe bk |
| 17:02.03 | | somebody said oe bk was bk clone http://openembedded.bkbits.net/oe oe;cd oe; bk -r co -q |
| 17:02.17 | kergoth | hey pb_ |
| 17:02.20 | TMM1 | hrm, gotta install bk first |
| 17:02.27 | TMM1 | kergoth: whats that url again.. |
| 17:02.29 | SuKoSh| | i bk pull right now |
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| 17:02.51 | SuKoSh| | kergoth: i swear to help you as much as possible |
| 17:03.03 | SuKoSh| | TMM1: can you teach me a little now? |
| 17:03.45 | TMM1 | SuKoSh|: as soon as i figure it out myself |
| 17:03.50 | SuKoSh| | lol |
| 17:03.51 | kergoth | I need to hold an "Understanding and using bitkeeper" session on irc. and another one on OE |
| 17:03.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:05.21 | treke | good idea |
| 17:05.59 | TMM1 | whoa |
| 17:06.02 | TMM1 | it has a graphical installer now |
| 17:06.54 | kergoth | TMM1: it does? |
| 17:07.45 | TMM1 | yea |
| 17:08.03 | TMM1 | maybe it detects if you have a working gui. always ran it in ssh before |
| 17:08.23 | kergoth | ah. |
| 17:10.01 | TMM1 | hrm |
| 17:10.03 | TMM1 | so how does this work |
| 17:10.25 | TMM1 | ah the packages is another repo |
| 17:10.55 | TMM1 | makes sense |
| 17:11.46 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:11.51 | kergoth | set OEDIR to point to the oe repos |
| 17:11.57 | kergoth | then add OEDIR/bin to the path |
| 17:12.03 | kergoth | and start checking out oebuild and oemake --help |
| 17:13.13 | kergoth | TMM1: did i tell you that i'm writing a new tslib module for work? |
| 17:13.39 | kergoth | TMM1: it deals with circumstances where the amount of ts pressure affects the xy values, which is a rather common effect with touchscreens |
| 17:13.46 | kergoth | i think it may help collie |
| 17:14.03 | TMM1 | whoa |
| 17:14.04 | TMM1 | sweet |
| 17:14.22 | kergoth | like on this one here, the harder you press, the more accurate it is |
| 17:14.29 | kergoth | so when you release it, it jumps due to the low pressure |
| 17:14.35 | kergoth | which totally fucks with things |
| 17:14.45 | TMM1 | ah |
| 17:14.48 | kergoth | and the affect is worse towards the corners |
| 17:14.56 | TMM1 | thats why its always fucking up |
| 17:15.03 | kergoth | collie seemed to be something like this |
| 17:15.09 | kergoth | so we'll see |
| 17:15.39 | kergoth | I think I have a few ideas for altering the way collie reads events as well |
| 17:15.52 | kergoth | to ensure there's enough debounce time |
| 17:16.00 | kergoth | one of these days i'll play around |
| 17:16.19 | TMM1 | k |
| 17:16.23 | TMM1 | borrow a collie from tim |
| 17:16.24 | kergoth | picked up Modern Operating Systems the other day |
| 17:16.31 | kergoth | that book is like fucking $82 |
| 17:16.35 | kergoth | nuts |
| 17:17.25 | TMM1 | content/ is messy |
| 17:17.32 | kergoth | yep. big old pile of packages |
| 17:17.39 | kergoth | suggestions on organization are welcome |
| 17:23.14 | pyromance | Hey kergoth: got a minute? Just one. |
| 17:23.55 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:24.37 | pyromance | I'm still having that double-suspend problem I was having yesterday, but took it as far as I could with troubleshooting |
| 17:24.53 | pyromance | When I suspend using apm commands or the suspend option under Shutdown, it starts normally. |
| 17:25.15 | pyromance | But when I use the hardware key to suspend, it suspends. Then I can start it, but then it suspends AGAIN, but then I can start it normally after the second suspend |
| 17:25.50 | kergoth | heh, sounds like it isnt swallowing the hardware key event when it uses it to do the suspend |
| 17:25.53 | kergoth | or something |
| 17:26.01 | pyromance | So I think whatever picks up suspend signal from the hardware key is sending two consecutive suspend signals. |
| 17:26.03 | kergoth | since the hardware key calls the same suspend code as the menu applet |
| 17:26.17 | kergoth | that could be too. its definately specific to the hardware key handling |
| 17:26.26 | kergoth | could always check out odevice's devicebuttons handling |
| 17:26.43 | pyromance | This is specific to SL-5500 oz-snapshot-030909-1225 |
| 17:27.50 | treke | It isnt specific to the 5500 |
| 17:27.56 | treke | as we determined last night |
| 17:28.29 | pyromance | treke: I meant "on the SL-5500" it's specific to that snapshot |
| 17:28.39 | pyromance | I don't have any other devices with which to test |
| 17:29.30 | pyromance | I've never had that problem pop up on any other ROM/snapshot to my memory |
| 17:30.04 | kergoth | well, its either coincidence or something introduced recnetly |
| 17:30.57 | kergoth | hmm, guss i should add the oemake OEFILES handling to oeinstall/oeimage |
| 17:31.05 | kergoth | so that you can go "oeinstall glibc" |
| 17:31.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:31.29 | pyromance | I don't know enough about OZ to monitor the signals the hardware buttons sends to apm |
| 17:32.02 | kergoth | you're missing nlike a billion steps |
| 17:32.15 | pyromance | I'm not surprised ;) |
| 17:32.32 | kergoth | key event -> qte -> opie -> odevice key filter -> odevicebuttons handling -> call associated function bound to that key for this device -> Zaurus::suspend() |
| 17:32.37 | kergoth | roughly. |
| 17:32.51 | treke | s/Zaurus/ODevice/ |
| 17:33.11 | kergoth | oh, no Z specific suspend handling, right |
| 17:33.16 | treke | we don't have a custom implementation of suspend ( yet) |
| 17:33.30 | kergoth | good, calling apm is the "right" way imho |
| 17:33.44 | treke | that'll change when I get back to the rotation stuff |
| 17:33.54 | treke | it still calls apm, just does some extra stuff |
| 17:33.57 | kergoth | ah, yeah |
| 17:34.02 | treke | like waiting for 10 seconds instead of 1 |
| 17:34.09 | treke | man that's annoying |
| 17:34.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:34.20 | kergoth | we need two fixes there |
| 17:34.30 | kergoth | 1) the multiple open apm problem |
| 17:34.36 | kergoth | 2) sync vs async apm_bios |
| 17:34.42 | treke | if you dont sleep for ten seconds the resume code runs before the suspend :p |
| 17:34.56 | kergoth | yeah, cause its decidedly async due to our workaround |
| 17:35.07 | kergoth | "send signal" .. assume we suspended already, is Bad |
| 17:35.11 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:35.22 | treke | hmmm |
| 17:35.36 | treke | is there anyway we could adjust our workaround to by sync? |
| 17:36.01 | kergoth | only by being able to open apm_bios and wait for the resume event |
| 17:36.02 | kergoth | or.. |
| 17:36.11 | kergoth | hooking a signal to qpe in the apm suspend/resume handlers in /etc/ |
| 17:36.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:36.16 | kergoth | "hey, we're back.." |
| 17:36.46 | treke | kergoth: actually, I was just thinking of something like that at the apmwrapper level |
| 17:37.19 | kergoth | itd be nice if the apmd daemon had a communications method |
| 17:37.26 | kergoth | i.e a way to trigger events or wait on events from it |
| 17:37.50 | kergoth | so like a /dev/apmd pipe or something |
| 17:38.06 | gb2 | wow. |
| 17:38.11 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:38.17 | gb2 | the wiki "documentation and ramblings" is so out of date ;) |
| 17:38.18 | HCl | ibot, oz buildroot |
| 17:38.19 | | extra, extra, read all about it, oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 17:38.28 | kergoth | gb2: on openembedded.org? |
| 17:38.30 | kergoth | or..? |
| 17:38.31 | gb2 | yeah |
| 17:38.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:38.45 | kergoth | openembedded.org was our initial layout and brainstorming of this, before we ever started coding |
| 17:38.50 | kergoth | and nobody touched it since :) |
| 17:39.04 | gb2 | there's still a few good ideas scattered in there |
| 17:39.06 | stief | anyone into eagle here ? |
| 17:39.27 | kergoth | gb2: riker and I had been talking about a system like this for years, since i first decided to use a buildroot for OZ |
| 17:39.33 | kergoth | was nice to actually get it under way |
| 17:39.38 | gb2 | ah |
| 17:40.18 | treke | kergoth: I was thinking something like set a stamp in /tmp from the workaround, then Zaurus::suspend will sleep as long as it sees it present. Then the resume scripts could remove it. Not a "solution", but it could be implemented with a minimum of effort until someone fixes apm |
| 17:40.36 | kergoth | treke: hehe. thatd work. |
| 17:41.04 | pyromance | Ack ... Just got an Email sob-fest ... :P |
| 17:41.54 | kergoth | i really need to fix my bk user & hostname when i'm in windows |
| 17:42.05 | treke | I also need to talk to harlekin about moving the rotate stuff into Odevice |
| 17:42.34 | kergoth | what stuff needs to go in? we already have defautl rotation and default direction |
| 17:42.41 | kergoth | or do you meant he automatic stuff? |
| 17:43.08 | kergoth | s/meant/mean/ |
| 17:43.31 | treke | kergoth: I was thinking for the rotation applet. It assumes it knows what way to rotate it, but it get's it wrong on the C700 |
| 17:44.01 | kergoth | rotation applet should be obeying hte default rotation direction, which comes from odevice |
| 17:44.01 | treke | rather than adding more conditionals to the applet, it seemed like something appropriate for ODevice to handle |
| 17:44.08 | kergoth | appearance also gets the direction from odevice |
| 17:44.13 | kergoth | "default" anyway |
| 17:44.15 | kergoth | since you can override |
| 17:44.26 | kergoth | at least, that was the intent. could be it is messed |
| 17:44.38 | treke | the default when you log in, or the rotations it knows how to do? |
| 17:44.56 | treke | havent checked the code recently |
| 17:45.04 | kergoth | default when you login is default rotation, which is in odevice |
| 17:45.12 | kergoth | default direction is the first time you hit the applet which way it goes |
| 17:45.13 | treke | yeah that's correct |
| 17:45.16 | kergoth | which is also odevice |
| 17:45.19 | treke | hmm. |
| 17:45.33 | treke | then I just need to adjust odevice for the 750 and 760 |
| 17:45.37 | treke | and maybe 700 |
| 17:45.40 | kergoth | should be anyway, like i said that was the intent, for both appearance and the applet to default to odevice direction |
| 17:45.44 | kergoth | yeah, that could very well be |
| 17:45.46 | SuKoSh| | treke: 700 please :p |
| 17:46.13 | treke | SuKoSh|: hehe. I dont know if it does the right thing for the 700 already :p |
| 17:46.26 | SuKoSh| | i could test later :) |
| 17:46.46 | treke | I'm assuming the 750 and 760 are pretty much identical, since I havent seen any indications that they arent beyond flash size. I've heard people mention differences with the 700 |
| 17:49.07 | kergoth | gb2: fyi, for now anyway, i'm going to set CROSS_DIR to staging_dir/cross/${TARGET_ARCH} |
| 17:49.24 | kergoth | gb2: i keep running an 'oemake' and it stomps my old toolchain when it runs the cross binutils |
| 17:49.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:49.30 | kergoth | annoying |
| 17:50.10 | icefox | bummer, quake compiled for the xscale is only marginally faster then it was on the zaurus |
| 17:50.22 | kergoth | heh, not exactly surprising |
| 17:50.26 | icefox | guess the fp really is the killer |
| 17:50.38 | icefox | yah but arm 200 -> xscale 400 I was hoping for something |
| 17:50.39 | kergoth | 3.4pre gcc seems to have nico's better float stuff |
| 17:50.41 | kergoth | maybe thatd help |
| 17:51.14 | icefox | hmm |
| 17:51.25 | kergoth | course it gets fun internal compiler errors too |
| 17:51.26 | kergoth | :D |
| 17:51.30 | gb2 | kergoth: heh. |
| 17:51.32 | icefox | Going to try warmi's asm functions next |
| 17:51.41 | gb2 | kergoth: my local builds, i've been setting that myself in local.conf ;) |
| 17:51.52 | icefox | shoudl probably do a real profile on it rather then this guessing... |
| 17:52.13 | gb2 | kergoth: the package repo is starting to look rather cluttered. |
| 17:52.14 | treke | icefox: Part of the problem is the resolution |
| 17:52.21 | pyromance | heh |
| 17:52.22 | kergoth | gb2: yep |
| 17:52.25 | treke | icefox: The wince ports run at a really low resolution |
| 17:52.36 | kergoth | gb2: will only get worse. need to define a structure |
| 17:52.39 | pyromance | I imagine "build your own Zaurus" scripts in the late future |
| 17:52.42 | icefox | even setting it to 20x20... |
| 17:53.45 | kergoth | heh, i need to add multiple provides handling to oemake |
| 17:53.54 | kergoth | i DONT need 3 binutils versions, thank you very much |
| 17:53.55 | gb2 | kergoth: ever considered moving the .oe into its ${FILESDIR} ? |
| 17:54.14 | kergoth | gb2: yeah, treke actualy suggested that, that it be content/${PN}/* |
| 17:54.35 | absentia | re |
| 17:54.40 | gb2 | kergoth: or content/${PBASE}/ or something like that. |
| 17:54.57 | gb2 | where we have multiple oe's which are effectively subpackages |
| 17:55.37 | kergoth | i dunno if i like that idea. our subpackage handling atm is dead simple. just differing FILES lists and use of OVERRIDES to handle metadata changes.. |
| 17:55.47 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:56.26 | gb2 | being able to put gcc-cross and gcc-cross-initial both into the same dir though would probably clean things up (atleast for toolchains, but i could see this helping other things as well). |
| 18:01.54 | pyromance | Will trade ... my PyroBriefcase for al C760 ;) |
| 18:10.07 | pyromance | Bricked. Some file must not have copied properly :( |
| 18:13.10 | pyromance | There... that looks like a more proper flash |
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| 18:25.48 | absentia | I flashed without naming the zimage to zImage.bin ... that was "interesting" |
| 18:25.51 | absentia | but not fatal. |
| 18:26.07 | absentia | I also tried the sash rom, but that didn't go into opie (either) ... so I went back to oz. |
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| 18:33.20 | icefox | bla, maybe it (warmi's asm code) did something, but I can't really tell. As soon as bad guys come on the screen it really slows down a lot as always. |
| 18:33.55 | kergoth | time to adapt quake to a fixed point implementation? |
| 18:33.56 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:34.10 | icefox | yah |
| 18:34.11 | kergoth | brb, more caffeine |
| 18:35.53 | treke | shit 480 new account requests yesterday |
| 18:36.23 | treke | average is 5. |
| 18:39.40 | gb2 | sleep should come in cans |
| 18:39.51 | treke | it doesnt? |
| 18:39.53 | gb2 | so you can just chug an extra hour or two a day |
| 18:40.12 | gb2 | i'm starting to really zone out this afternoon |
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| 18:52.58 | treke | http://www.handhelds.org/project/rosetta/ |
| 18:53.23 | kergoth | treke: sounds cool |
| 18:54.38 | gb2 | looks vaporwareish |
| 18:54.48 | kergoth | yeah, wonder where it stands |
| 18:55.14 | pb_ | according to Ole's recent note on the mailing list, it's usable. |
| 18:56.48 | treke | fuck no :p |
| 18:57.18 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:57.30 | treke | pb can do it |
| 18:57.31 | pb_ | I guess gtk2 would be a good way of testing kergoth's oz -> oe migration instructions. |
| 18:57.41 | treke | no excuse now that I have snapshots up :p |
| 19:00.12 | treke | well it doesnt work :p |
| 19:00.16 | treke | for me |
| 19:04.05 | treke | probably user error |
| 19:05.52 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:07.09 | icefox | how do I turn on fps without a keyboard in quake? |
| 19:07.13 | icefox | anyone remember? |
| 19:10.49 | icefox | so |
| 19:10.52 | icefox | long ago... |
| 19:20.21 | kergoth | heh, right now OE doesnt do any mangling to handle pkg-config cross issues |
| 19:26.30 | kergoth | ehh |
| 19:26.32 | kergoth | creating auto-host.h |
| 19:26.32 | kergoth | mv: missing file argument |
| 19:26.33 | kergoth | Try `mv --help' for more information. |
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| 19:27.59 | icefox | even wrote a build script :) I can send it to you if you want |
| 19:28.11 | Bernardo | hi |
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| 19:36.20 | kergoth | gb2: ever get around to altering autotools oeclass to automatically use a seperate build dir? |
| 19:38.16 | kergoth | damnit, gcc, what mv command is failing |
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| 19:39.05 | gb2 | kergoth: i created a B variable |
| 19:39.12 | gb2 | if set, autotools creates it in do_configure |
| 19:39.21 | gb2 | and does stuff in there for do_compile too |
| 19:39.39 | gb2 | so to do a separate build dir, you just set B in your package |
| 19:39.40 | kergoth | cool. we wouldnt want to fuck with S, since .oe's will want to touch actual source files |
| 19:39.47 | gb2 | yep |
| 19:40.19 | kergoth | so you _prepend a cd to ${B} in the configure, compile, and stage steps? |
| 19:40.43 | gb2 | [ -n "${B}" ] && mkdir ${B} && cd ${B} |
| 19:40.45 | gb2 | in configure |
| 19:40.53 | gb2 | [ -n "${B}" ] && cd ${B} |
| 19:40.53 | gb2 | elsewhere |
| 19:41.16 | kergoth | too bad we cant manipulate the 'dirs' flag of a function from an oe |
| 19:41.18 | gb2 | and make sure configure runs ${S}/configure |
| 19:41.25 | gb2 | duno if the current version prepends ${S}/ |
| 19:41.55 | kergoth | it does |
| 19:41.59 | gb2 | you don't want to default B to S |
| 19:42.01 | kergoth | did that because our glibc build uses a seperate build dir |
| 19:42.04 | kergoth | just does it itself |
| 19:42.11 | gb2 | because occasionally things will want to be treated differently if B exists or not |
| 19:43.50 | gb2 | for my cross stuff i put this in my packages: |
| 19:44.19 | gb2 | B := ${S}/build.${HOST_ARCH}.${TARGET_ARCH} |
| 19:44.27 | gb2 | s/ARCH/SYS/ |
| 19:45.01 | HCl | ibot, oz toolchain |
| 19:45.02 | | [oz toolchain] http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 19:45.02 | gb2 | i may change to ${WORKDIR}/ though |
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| 19:53.23 | HCl | gah.. ever since i did a bk pull on the buildroot, it cant find my 2.9 toolchain anymore -.- |
| 19:54.33 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:54.39 | kergoth | change the export PATH line in Vars.make to |
| 19:54.47 | kergoth | an if based on CROSS instead of CONFIG_TOOLCHAIN |
| 19:54.49 | kergoth | then itll work again |
| 19:54.54 | HCl | thanks :) |
| 19:55.21 | HCl | x.x |
| 19:55.41 | kergoth | hehe. oops. |
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| 20:10.38 | pb_ | phew, looks like I have a working version of gcc and binutils again. |
| 20:12.38 | kergoth | nice |
| 20:13.18 | pb_ | no more monster GOTs, no more DT_TEXTREL |
| 20:13.25 | pb_ | yay |
| 20:21.13 | kergoth | TMM1: http://panopticon.csustan.edu/thood/ifupdown-roam-README.txt |
| 20:21.41 | kergoth | damnit gcc, be happy |
| 20:21.56 | kergoth | HCl: pushed that fix |
| 20:26.39 | HCl | thanks.. |
| 20:28.56 | kergoth | gb2: heh, itd be nice to get a package to share certain stamps with another. like for gcc initial vs final, they can easily share teh same unpack/patch if they use differing build dirs |
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| 20:58.16 | gb2 | kergoth: yes |
| 20:58.25 | gb2 | kergoth: i've been trying to think of a clean way to do that |
| 20:58.50 | gb2 | kergoth: enforcing that packages of that style set B would also be good |
| 21:03.51 | kergoth | gb2: i think we need a way to explicitly alter metadata parameters |
| 21:03.57 | kergoth | ala a-a-p |
| 21:04.19 | gb2 | i don't follow entirely |
| 21:04.21 | gb2 | example? |
| 21:04.41 | kergoth | do_install {stamp=${STAMP}/binutils-${PV}-${PR}.do_install} { } |
| 21:04.43 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 21:08.36 | gb2 | you lost me |
| 21:08.53 | gb2 | my brain is somewhat fried from attempting to solve a hardware issue all day |
| 21:09.06 | kergoth | heh, okay |
| 21:09.16 | kergoth | cross-gcc-initial .oe |
| 21:09.38 | kergoth | do_unpack (stamp=${STAMP}/cross-gcc.${PV}.${PR}.do_unpack) |
| 21:09.57 | kergoth | which alters the stamp parameter, thereby making it obey the already extracted sources from cross-gcc |
| 21:10.01 | kergoth | or vice versa |
| 21:10.34 | gb2 | ah. |
| 21:10.37 | gb2 | i get it |
| 21:11.17 | kergoth | coursed we'd need osmething like make, where you can add deps to a target without _defining_ the target here |
| 21:11.21 | gb2 | it'd be nice to have a "share" directive |
| 21:11.23 | gb2 | though |
| 21:11.27 | kergoth | like, functioname (params) without { } |
| 21:46.56 | treke | ha |
| 21:47.05 | treke | someone wants us to generate multiple images per release |
| 21:47.12 | treke | so he doesnt have to install the apps he wants |
| 21:48.26 | kergoth | heh, we'll need that anyway for minimal vs opie vs gpe, and gcc3 gui vs gcc2 gui |
| 21:48.50 | treke | kergoth: yeah and now he wants multimedia and wireless options on top of those |
| 21:49.16 | kergoth | oh fuck that. |
| 21:49.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:50.49 | treke | " I know that there isn't much time for that sort of thing by the actual dev team with the 5600 and c7x0 packages yet to do but I just figured that it would help a lot of the newbie's (me included) to get what they are looking for without having to install and configure the apps they want and remove the ones they don't really use. |
| 21:52.57 | gb2 | oh, and uclibc versions of everything too |
| 22:00.34 | Pendalar | who would opt for a gcc2 gui? |
| 22:00.36 | Com[Plex] | :( |
| 22:01.27 | treke | I would |
| 22:01.34 | treke | if I used tkc apps |
| 22:10.54 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:14.10 | treke | hmmm. |
| 22:14.21 | treke | someone get hh.o and cmartin to port 2.4.22 to their platform |
| 22:14.34 | treke | darn. that wouldnt work |
| 22:15.03 | treke | kergoth: port 2.4.22 to the other 4 zaurii! |
| 22:15.35 | pb_ | treke: almost all hh.org kernel work is going into 2.6 now. |
| 22:15.49 | pb_ | I suspect that's largely true for simpad as well. |
| 22:15.50 | treke | ciik |
| 22:15.51 | treke | cool |
| 22:16.08 | treke | pb_: Wouldnt matter since they use a different set of userland config options :) |
| 22:16.28 | pb_ | probably do a 2.4.19-hh24 tomorrow for familiar 0.7.2, then aim for kernel 2.6 in the next major release. |
| 22:16.45 | treke | nifty |
| 22:16.57 | gb2 | 2.6 would certainly be very nice to have |
| 22:17.08 | pb_ | yeah |
| 22:17.09 | gb2 | it'd simplify a lot of zaurus ui crap |
| 22:17.18 | gb2 | ofcourse.. |
| 22:17.24 | gb2 | it involves writing a lot of it |
| 22:17.24 | gb2 | :P |
| 22:17.30 | pb_ | ah, I wouldn't know about that. |
| 22:17.30 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:17.43 | treke | hehe. and figuring out the how to make the mmc/sd slot work :p |
| 22:17.46 | gb2 | but atleast it wouldn't feel like supporting a dead branch |
| 22:18.21 | gb2 | ok. |
| 22:18.28 | gb2 | time for weekend. |
| 22:18.39 | treke | I hate the east coast |
| 22:18.53 | treke | you people get to go home early :) |
| 22:18.58 | pb_ | hehe |
| 22:22.49 | kergoth | you know |
| 22:22.55 | kergoth | windows default window placement really sucks |
| 22:23.20 | treke | s/default window placement// |
| 22:23.30 | kergoth | heh, true th at |
| 22:23.32 | mewyn | yes and yes |
| 22:23.47 | mewyn | damn. telstar 4 is down |
| 22:24.04 | mewyn | glad the discovery networks aren't on that bugger :) |
| 22:24.49 | Com[Plex] | any idea what I have to do to get my network card to start up on bootup in my z? presently I allways have to do ifdown eth0;ifup eth0; - was there something I had to edit in the fstab or soemthing? |
| 22:25.07 | Com[Plex] | I had it fisxed a whuile back,. I jsut cant remember how |
| 22:31.26 | kergoth | sounds like you checked the 'bring up at boot' |
| 22:31.28 | kergoth | dont do that. |
| 22:31.40 | Com[Plex] | I did. its unchecked now.. |
| 22:31.51 | Com[Plex] | shgould I nuke a setting file somewhere? |
| 22:31.57 | kergoth | vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:32.02 | kergoth | make sure there's no 'auto' line for eth0 |
| 22:32.11 | Com[Plex] | awesome. checking... |
| 22:34.06 | Com[Plex] | hmm. |
| 22:34.11 | Com[Plex] | doersnt haev auto in there. |
| 22:34.35 | kergoth | dunno then |
| 22:35.05 | Com[Plex] | iface eth0 inet static |
| 22:35.15 | Com[Plex] | can I delete it from here and try again. |
| 22:35.42 | kergoth | i'd recommend booting with the card uninserted, and checking /etc/network/ifstate |
| 22:35.46 | kergoth | make sure it is _not_ listed |
| 22:35.53 | Com[Plex] | okee |
| 22:36.21 | kergoth | if it is, somebody tried to bring it up on boot |
| 22:37.25 | Com[Plex] | rebooting. |
| 22:45.09 | Com[Plex] | ifstate; lo=lo |
| 22:45.11 | Com[Plex] | thats it |
| 22:45.34 | kergoth | good. |
| 22:45.36 | kergoth | dunno then |
| 22:45.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:45.58 | Com[Plex] | oh. look at this |
| 22:46.06 | Com[Plex] | plugged in my card. and it worked. |
| 22:46.12 | Com[Plex] | hmm. |
| 22:46.29 | Com[Plex] | cant boot with the nic plugged in? |
| 22:46.34 | kergoth | could be cardmgr is doing something odd when it starts with the card in. |
| 22:46.38 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 22:46.47 | kergoth | symlink syslog into rcS.d so it starts early |
| 22:46.51 | kergoth | then boot with it in |
| 22:46.53 | kergoth | logread |
| 22:46.55 | kergoth | see what cardmgr said |
| 22:48.27 | Com[Plex] | k' |
| 22:48.29 | Com[Plex] | lets see. |
| 22:48.49 | Com[Plex] | im gonna reboot again first to verify its still doin it. |
| 22:48.54 | kergoth | k |
| 22:48.55 | Com[Plex] | opr not. whatever |
| 22:49.08 | Com[Plex] | SON OF A |
| 22:49.11 | Com[Plex] | double reboot bug |
| 22:49.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:49.23 | kergoth | i ever tell you i found the source of that and fixed it? |
| 22:49.29 | kergoth | silly lineo |
| 22:49.30 | Com[Plex] | you did? what was it? |
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| 22:49.46 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: they didnt set a register properly in the boot path, only in the suspend/resume path |
| 22:50.11 | kergoth | found the problem when i was working on 2.4.21-cl1 |
| 22:50.31 | Com[Plex] | any way to fix it manyally? |
| 22:50.35 | kergoth | no. |
| 22:50.45 | Com[Plex] | *groan* |
| 22:50.45 | kergoth | you'd need to patch those kernel sources to the kenrel you're using |
| 22:50.46 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 22:50.48 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 22:51.05 | Com[Plex] | is there gonna be another release for the 5500's ? |
| 22:51.13 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:51.18 | Com[Plex] | of oz.. |
| 22:51.22 | kergoth | no one implied OZ releases for collie would ever stop. |
| 22:51.30 | Com[Plex] | ahh. |
| 22:51.30 | kergoth | unlike sharp, we'll continue to support it |
| 22:51.34 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 22:52.02 | Com[Plex] | well. my network cards working after that boot. |
| 22:52.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:52.16 | kergoth | BUILD! |
| 22:52.34 | Com[Plex] | I guess I must not have rebooted after I unchecked the "bring up on boot" box |
| 22:52.46 | kergoth | heh, thatll do it |
| 22:53.16 | Com[Plex] | IM allways afraid to reboot. hehe, I usually suspend and resume immediately before rebooting |
| 22:53.23 | Com[Plex] | every time I forget to, I get bit |
| 22:54.03 | Com[Plex] | this things been collecting dust for a while now. havent been motivated to do anything with it. just sorta got motivated the other day. |
| 22:56.11 | Com[Plex] | added this conversation to my notes so I wont have to ask you this all again in 2 months when I pick it up again. hehe |
| 22:56.23 | kergoth | eheh |
| 22:56.33 | kergoth | if you come up with a better way to word "bring up at boot" let me kjnow |
| 22:56.40 | Com[Plex] | now I giotta figure out why I cant get bas to work. |
| 22:56.43 | kergoth | its only to bring up interfaces that dont come up automatically by other means |
| 22:56.47 | kergoth | like pcmcia and hotplug |
| 22:56.55 | Com[Plex] | ahh. |
| 22:57.05 | kergoth | so its for looopback, pci interfaces, etc |
| 22:57.31 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. lets see. how about "break eth0 and automount others" |
| 22:57.40 | Com[Plex] | haha, just call it "break eth0" |
| 22:57.41 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 22:58.08 | kergoth | eh, if the device had a pci eth0 and a pcmcia eth1, that wouldnt make too much sense :P |
| 22:58.15 | kergoth | opie isnt zaurus specific |
| 22:58.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:58.19 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 22:58.49 | Com[Plex] | hmm. what kind of devices run opie that use pxi? |
| 22:58.50 | Com[Plex] | pci |
| 22:59.18 | kergoth | probably none that currently exist |
| 22:59.22 | kergoth | that doesnt mean there wont be |
| 22:59.26 | kergoth | acutally, opie runs on desktops |
| 22:59.27 | kergoth | so nevermind. |
| 22:59.34 | kergoth | any x86 box fits that description |
| 22:59.41 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 22:59.55 | Com[Plex] | "break cf eth0" |
| 23:00.16 | Com[Plex] | "probably break things, leave off unless needed" |
| 23:00.18 | Com[Plex] | heheh |
| 23:00.26 | kergoth | bring up on boot (NOT PCMCIA OR USB) [ ] |
| 23:00.33 | Com[Plex] | yeah. |
| 23:01.28 | Com[Plex] | so.. how do I make my cross compiler work for apps that dont use tmake? |
| 23:01.38 | kergoth | set an assload of variables |
| 23:01.42 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 23:01.48 | kergoth | use --host if its ./configure |
| 23:01.49 | Com[Plex] | had a feeling you would say that. lol. |
| 23:01.52 | kergoth | just add it to buildroot. |
| 23:01.53 | kergoth | or OE |
| 23:01.58 | kergoth | OE's easiest |
| 23:02.12 | Com[Plex] | OE ? |
| 23:02.15 | kergoth | openembedded |
| 23:02.20 | kergoth | the new build infrastructure thats replacing buildroot |
| 23:02.21 | kergoth | see the topic |
| 23:02.58 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 23:05.33 | Com[Plex] | wow.. c++ .net for the zaurus... how useful can this be? |
| 23:05.48 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:06.02 | mickeyl | tried the buffered fbmem patch on shephrd |
| 23:06.10 | mickeyl | can't feel a difference |
| 23:06.29 | kergoth | grr. |
| 23:06.30 | mickeyl | also the preemptible kernel patch doesn't really seem to make a difference here |
| 23:06.37 | kergoth | get this |
| 23:06.40 | kergoth | build gcc pass 1, install |
| 23:06.59 | kergoth | go to build glibc, the autoconf tests need glibc headers, but toolchain dir doesnt have them yet since we havent build glibc yet |
| 23:07.00 | Com[Plex] | so.. how soon before 3.3 :> |
| 23:07.23 | kergoth | and glibc's headers are spread throughout its repos |
| 23:07.23 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:07.48 | mickeyl | ugly |
| 23:07.59 | mickeyl | hmm...way over bed time now... g'night |
| 23:10.14 | gb2 | kergoth: fun! |
| 23:10.34 | kergoth | oh, and some of the glibc headers appear to be generated at build time |
| 23:10.38 | kergoth | can we say "catch 22"? |
| 23:10.55 | gb2 | i've cross bootstrapped glibc successfully in the past |
| 23:11.03 | kergoth | something wierd is happening |
| 23:11.05 | kergoth | but i dont know what. |
| 23:11.13 | gb2 | it's black magic |
| 23:11.23 | gb2 | there be dragons there |
| 23:11.26 | gb2 | etc |
| 23:12.11 | pb_ | sounds like a fair summary of buildroot |
| 23:13.18 | treke | buildroot isnt *that* bad |
| 23:13.37 | kergoth | it gets the job done. |
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| 23:15.45 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:17.06 | kergoth | damnit damnit |
| 23:17.18 | pb_ | mm? |
| 23:17.43 | pb_ | gb2: you could probably save time by using one of the many giant shell scripts that others have written |
| 23:17.49 | kergoth | pb_: trying to build glibc with a first pass cross gcc, and the tests are failing due to lacking glibc headers, since they arent in the toolchain dir yet |
| 23:17.55 | kergoth | but it doesnt fail on this in buildroot |
| 23:17.56 | kergoth | just here |
| 23:18.04 | gb2 | pb: i'm trying to figure out why my .oe version isn't building |
| 23:18.09 | pb_ | kergoth: very strange, which headers does it want? |
| 23:18.12 | gb2 | pb: i've written the schell script before |
| 23:18.12 | Com[Plex] | wtf.. my stupid online store is adding 3 lbs to my shipping weights on all items. |
| 23:18.17 | kergoth | pb_: assert.h, etc |
| 23:18.21 | Com[Plex] | this is not good. |
| 23:18.27 | kergoth | quite odd |
| 23:18.30 | gb2 | kergoth: assert.h comes with gcc |
| 23:19.06 | kergoth | ah, maybe its just the initial pass install not being complete then |
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| 23:47.14 | gb2 | )*$$@!&$)*@@**)$@!)*!!!!! |
| 23:47.17 | gb2 | my shell script works |
| 23:51.37 | Com[Plex] | woot! |
| 23:53.10 | gb2 | hm |