| 00:00.37 | gb2 | fog% OEPATH=$PWD:/usr/share/oe OEDIR=$PWD OEFILES=$PWD/*.oe oemake uclibc-binutils-cross-2.14.90.0.6.oe |
| 00:00.37 | gb2 | NOTE: build 200309172000 started |
| 00:00.37 | gb2 | NOTE: package base/uclibc-gcc-3.3.1-r0: build started |
| 00:00.43 | gb2 | the binutils package has no DEPENDS |
| 00:01.32 | kergoth | you're specifying it wrong |
| 00:01.42 | kergoth | oemake uclibc-binutils-cross |
| 00:01.49 | kergoth | or oemake uclibc-binutils-cross-2.14.90.0.6 |
| 00:02.11 | gb2 | fog% OEPATH=$PWD:/usr/share/oe OEDIR=$PWD OEFILES=$PWD/*.oe oemake uclibc-binutils-cross |
| 00:02.12 | gb2 | NOTE: build 200309172002 started |
| 00:02.12 | gb2 | NOTE: package base/uclibc-gcc-3.3.1-r0: build started |
| 00:02.13 | gb2 | like that? |
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| 00:02.26 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:02.29 | kergoth | is your oe tree up to date? |
| 00:02.31 | kergoth | odd. |
| 00:02.57 | gb2 | after the null gcc build attempt it goes off to build binutils |
| 00:03.23 | gb2 | it's an independant set of .oe files |
| 00:03.29 | gb2 | but my oe tools are uptodate |
| 00:04.14 | gb2 | hm |
| 00:04.17 | gb2 | i blew up python |
| 00:04.27 | gb2 | RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded |
| 00:04.36 | TheMasterMind1 | so anyone seen orgazmo? |
| 00:04.42 | gb2 | good movie |
| 00:04.44 | gb2 | hilarious |
| 00:04.51 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:04.53 | TheMasterMind1 | good |
| 00:05.07 | TheMasterMind1 | compiled new mplayer.. compiling new alsa |
| 00:05.08 | TheMasterMind1 | then about to watch it |
| 00:08.20 | treke | hehe. dry reading |
| 00:08.27 | treke | very very dry |
| 00:08.29 | kergoth | treke: understatement |
| 00:08.35 | kergoth | lot of good content though |
| 00:08.38 | treke | yup |
| 00:08.43 | kergoth | hopefully i'll stay conscious |
| 00:08.44 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:08.46 | BBMatthew | knuth? |
| 00:08.50 | kergoth | BBMatthew: yeah |
| 00:08.54 | treke | it doesnt work well with knuth :p |
| 00:09.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:09.30 | treke | gone before I reach half a page |
| 00:09.47 | BBMatthew | my shelf has stroustrop, Effective C++ More Effective C++ Effective STL and more Effective STL and SGIs STL manual |
| 00:09.52 | ljp | reading? whats that? |
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| 00:32.00 | gb2 | grr |
| 00:32.03 | gb2 | want more errors |
| 00:33.10 | BBMatthew | ?? |
| 00:36.49 | ljp | treke: where does that concat () come from? I am getting undefined reference when I compile chkhinge.c |
| 00:38.17 | ljp | oh, its a link thing |
| 00:42.05 | treke|home | ljp: concat? |
| 00:42.45 | treke|home | didnt think I was using anything outside the standard c library |
| 00:43.01 | treke|home | just open,close, and ioctl :p |
| 00:47.20 | gb2 | grrr |
| 00:47.23 | gb2 | why won't you patch! |
| 00:48.26 | ljp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:50.06 | gb2 | odd |
| 00:51.25 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:51.27 | TheMasterMind1 | this movie is great |
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| 00:57.38 | gb2 | grrr |
| 01:02.08 | gb2 | aha |
| 01:02.11 | gb2 | i was missing a \ |
| 01:05.34 | BBMatthew | I still cant beleive I cleaned my buildroot by aaccident |
| 01:10.09 | ljp | hate that |
| 01:10.45 | BBMatthew | several hours even with ccavchew |
| 01:10.58 | BBMatthew | ccache even |
| 01:12.25 | nightfire | hah |
| 01:14.17 | BBMatthew | still interested as to how it can build an image without libgcc |
| 01:15.23 | nightfire | You find yourself in a twisty maze of dependencies, none like the others. To your right is libssl. In front of you are libldap, liblber, and libexpat. Scattered about are strange shell scripts and header files. It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a Windows admin. |
| 01:22.33 | BBMatthew | I cast ozclean{] in the $(TOPDIR) |
| 01:22.52 | gb2 | nearly build.. |
| 01:23.24 | kergoth | finally bought a new copy of k&r |
| 01:23.28 | kergoth | which i lost a copule years back |
| 01:23.40 | kergoth | picked up linkers & loaders and modern operating systems while i was at it |
| 01:24.06 | BBMatthew | at uni is v cheap to get certain books namely course ones |
| 01:24.23 | kergoth | yeah, true |
| 01:24.58 | BBMatthew | curiosity prompts me ... any women here? |
| 01:25.18 | kergoth | there used to be a woman that chilled w/ the Z crowd |
| 01:25.27 | kergoth | but then we pissed her off and she vanished |
| 01:25.36 | BBMatthew | how? |
| 01:25.42 | ljp | used to be a few females |
| 01:25.44 | kergoth | long story. someone around here has teh log |
| 01:26.21 | BBMatthew | lets see if this build fires |
| 01:26.22 | ljp | ibot: seen cloudchaser |
| 01:26.22 | | cloudchaser <~Cloudchas@ool-435684aa.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 203d 19h 28m 56s ago, saying: 'personally i don't give a shit about your sex lives'. |
| 01:26.28 | kergoth | hey there ya go |
| 01:26.30 | kergoth | long story short. |
| 01:26.38 | W8TVI | lol |
| 01:26.40 | kergoth | guys talking about shit at 1am on a friday evening |
| 01:26.44 | kergoth | i mean, what did she expect |
| 01:26.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:26.56 | BBMatthew | there are lots of girls shown round our dept on open days |
| 01:27.12 | BBMatthew | we recon they are paid arts students as you never seen any as students |
| 01:27.36 | ljp | there was another female nick of honeypea or something used to hang |
| 01:27.45 | kergoth | oh yeah |
| 01:28.12 | BBMatthew | drat |
| 01:28.47 | BBMatthew | missing libgcc again! |
| 01:28.50 | gb2 | kergoth: D is the target root right? |
| 01:28.56 | kergoth | gb2: yeah |
| 01:34.45 | gb2 | hm |
| 01:37.51 | Soopaman | kergoth, do you haave any insight on cross compiling gtk2.2.2? |
| 01:37.53 | Soopaman | :D |
| 01:38.29 | ljp | that goes against nature |
| 01:39.58 | BBMatthew | woot booting opie |
| 01:41.58 | BBMatthew | kergoth: could I use the collie-opie_image to get a reasonable set of install packages? |
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| 01:44.21 | kergoth | BBMatthew: yes. |
| 01:46.39 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:46.41 | TheMasterMind1 | funny stuff |
| 01:47.22 | kergoth | Soopaman: shouldnt be a problem.. as long as you manage the auto* config results, libtool issues, and pkg-config issues |
| 01:49.26 | Soopaman | heheh |
| 01:49.30 | Soopaman | you make it sound soo easy |
| 01:49.50 | Soopaman | could you put what you said in normal people language? |
| 01:50.00 | Soopaman | i am not fluent in genious yet |
| 01:50.04 | treke|home | normal people dont cross compile gtk2.2 |
| 01:52.19 | treke|home | if you dont understand what he said, you will probably have problems :) |
| 01:55.17 | Soopaman | i understand a bit |
| 01:55.43 | Soopaman | i was just hoping for a bit more on which flags were the build breakers |
| 01:56.18 | gb2 | : undefined reference to `__ctype_b' |
| 01:57.25 | kergoth | Soopaman: s/genius/build monkey/g |
| 01:57.48 | Soopaman | heh |
| 01:57.54 | Soopaman | i can't even spell genius |
| 01:57.55 | Soopaman | :S |
| 01:59.31 | gb2 | hm |
| 02:00.00 | gb2 | enough hacking.. before i break it |
| 02:01.52 | BBMatthew | hmm aqpkg isn't functioning, any thoughts? it says Quicklauncher invoked as aqpkg couldnt create main window |
| 02:02.29 | kergoth | aqpkg wasnt converted ot quicklauncher as of the date you built it, i'd say. |
| 02:03.56 | gb2 | wonder what extra crap i need to feed gcc to make it build |
| 02:03.57 | BBMatthew | the buildroot is a |
| 02:03.59 | gb2 | wonder what i forgot |
| 02:04.11 | BBMatthew | <1day old |
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| 02:10.04 | BBMatthew | ibot why |
| 02:10.05 | | BBMatthew: i haven't a clue |
| 02:10.23 | BBMatthew | whoever programmed it was good :) |
| 02:10.57 | ljp | ibot: who's your daddy |
| 02:10.57 | | YOU are, Mr Sexy Pants! |
| 02:11.04 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:11.19 | ljp | ibot: who ownes you |
| 02:11.20 | | ljp: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:11.24 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:11.55 | BBMatthew | ibot lamer |
| 02:11.56 | | wish i knew, BBMatthew |
| 02:12.14 | BBMatthew | ibot breadbox |
| 02:12.14 | | extra, extra, read all about it, breadbox is smaller than a large breadbox but larger than a small breadbox. Some people keep bread in a breadbox, others get thousands of loaves of bread and make a box out of them in which they sleep until the bread goes mouldy then they need to call the council to condemn it but instead of condemning it they put you away in a box not made of bread but they do get the bread which they then feed you from a box which might just |
| 02:12.30 | kergoth | err |
| 02:12.33 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 02:12.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:12.46 | BBMatthew | found that one 2 nights ago |
| 02:12.48 | W8TVI | ? |
| 02:12.49 | BBMatthew | ibot prod |
| 02:12.50 | | BBMatthew: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:13.19 | W8TVI | ibot: who owns you? |
| 02:13.19 | | W8TVI: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 02:13.23 | W8TVI | ibot: who owns you |
| 02:13.23 | | W8TVI: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 02:13.31 | treke|home | hmmmm. probably ought to clean my apartment up before they do inspections |
| 02:14.04 | ljp | and delete all the pron on your computers before they inspect them |
| 02:14.22 | kergoth | ibot: owner |
| 02:14.23 | | TimRiker (or BZFlag) is my owner |
| 02:14.26 | kergoth | heh. |
| 02:14.36 | treke|home | I'l move first before they touch my baby |
| 02:14.59 | BBMatthew | hehe my kitchen ceiling fell in |
| 02:15.05 | treke|home | BBMatthew: oops |
| 02:15.26 | W8TVI | BZFLAG! |
| 02:15.42 | W8TVI | isn't that the tank game? |
| 02:15.49 | BBMatthew | oh well I shall clean it up tomorrow |
| 02:15.51 | ljp | heh |
| 02:15.57 | BBMatthew | yep it is |
| 02:16.03 | W8TVI | ibot: bzflag |
| 02:16.04 | | i heard bzflag is a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker |
| 02:16.04 | kergoth | yeah. bzflag is spiffy |
| 02:16.23 | W8TVI | I played that on windows |
| 02:16.25 | BBMatthew | ibot timriker |
| 02:16.26 | | from memory, timriker is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org and Senior Linux Technologist at Texas Instruments, mailto:Tim@TI.com and my owner and former CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and maintainer of BZFlag |
| 02:16.55 | treke|home | kergoth: how the hell did he get tim@ti.com |
| 02:16.58 | BBMatthew | ibot irc |
| 02:16.59 | | irc is, like, Internet Relay Chat or help can be found here http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/altircfaq.html |
| 02:16.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:17.00 | kergoth | no idea |
| 02:17.19 | gb2 | ibot ibot |
| 02:17.19 | | [ibot] a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 02:17.24 | BBMatthew | the whole senior linux technologist thing? |
| 02:17.57 | W8TVI | has the SCO webpage been defaced lately? |
| 02:18.17 | BBMatthew | no it looks like that nomally :) |
| 02:18.26 | treke|home | W8TVI: not recently enough |
| 02:18.30 | W8TVI | :( |
| 02:18.53 | treke|home | is it just me or does daryll mcbride look like the devil |
| 02:19.09 | BBMatthew | now now we should just leave them to IBMs legal team, they will get all upset if they dont get to rape them in court |
| 02:19.29 | W8TVI | I think they were stupid to go after IBM |
| 02:19.39 | treke|home | you think? |
| 02:19.49 | BBMatthew | depends on several things |
| 02:20.07 | BBMatthew | one a lot of the executives have ditched stock at the companies huge price |
| 02:20.08 | W8TVI | I'm sure that IBM has way more money and way better lawerys than sco has :) |
| 02:20.29 | BBMatthew | two if the decision does go their way they will be really really rich |
| 02:20.40 | BBMatthew | three they were dying anyway |
| 02:20.49 | BBMatthew | look at www.atai.org |
| 02:21.50 | W8TVI | can some on loan me a few billion $? I'm going to take over SCO |
| 02:22.02 | BBMatthew | why? |
| 02:22.33 | W8TVI | just so I can fire all of the top management |
| 02:22.35 | BBMatthew | that was probably part of their strategy too - to get bought to shut them up |
| 02:22.57 | W8TVI | and then I'm going have it go and start working an a linux pda |
| 02:23.55 | BBMatthew | 128mb ram, the new mmx xscale and an 800x600 screen please free ones to OZ developers |
| 02:24.36 | W8TVI | no, its going to have 512mb of RAM and it'll use an IBM microdrive for storage |
| 02:24.43 | W8TVI | 5" LCD |
| 02:24.59 | BBMatthew | W8TVI: the new hyinx 4gb cf would be good but you need 2 cf slots |
| 02:25.32 | BBMatthew | built in 802.11b via airforce 1 |
| 02:25.33 | W8TVI | one internal CF for the mircodrive, and one external for the wireless |
| 02:26.09 | W8TVI | it'll use a cold fusuion powersupply |
| 02:26.21 | W8TVI | you'll never need to charge it |
| 02:26.39 | W8TVI | just add water |
| 02:26.40 | BBMatthew | seen plans for radioactive microgenerators approx 70 - 80 yrs working life |
| 02:27.28 | W8TVI | eather that or a mirco-singularty... |
| 02:27.33 | W8TVI | just dont drop the pda |
| 02:27.36 | BBMatthew | no too risky |
| 02:28.05 | W8TVI | when you get home it can power your house |
| 02:28.13 | BBMatthew | indeed |
| 02:28.31 | W8TVI | it'll run your electric car |
| 02:28.32 | W8TVI | :) |
| 02:29.04 | W8TVI | but really |
| 02:29.10 | BBMatthew | hehe the new electric tanks - over 60mph in battlefield conditions with the new british electrostatic armour |
| 02:29.30 | W8TVI | I'd use something like a 4amp liION battery |
| 02:29.39 | W8TVI | my dads nokia has one |
| 02:29.42 | W8TVI | 3.5amp |
| 02:29.54 | BBMatthew | ljp: opierec just compiled ta |
| 02:30.52 | W8TVI | but really |
| 02:31.12 | W8TVI | a linux PDA thats built something like the c7x0 |
| 02:31.23 | BBMatthew | indeed |
| 02:31.23 | W8TVI | 1024x768 |
| 02:31.33 | W8TVI | I'd want it a bit bigger |
| 02:31.40 | BBMatthew | I can get them in the UK for about 1500GBP which is more than a good laptop |
| 02:31.40 | treke|home | a linux bases jornada 720 |
| 02:31.44 | W8TVI | like 25% |
| 02:31.55 | treke|home | actually I know exactly what would rock |
| 02:32.15 | BBMatthew | what? |
| 02:32.32 | treke|home | http://www.dynamism.com/sig3/main.shtml |
| 02:32.57 | kergoth | dynamism has some spiffy products. |
| 02:33.11 | W8TVI | they are all from japan... thats why |
| 02:33.24 | treke|home | kergoth: that one can't be translated to english :p |
| 02:33.29 | kergoth | W8TVI: yeah. fuckers. |
| 02:33.38 | W8TVI | we always get that stuff 2 years after everyone else has gotten theirs |
| 02:33.54 | treke|home | you can stuff a battery into a turd and they'd buy it in japan |
| 02:34.01 | treke|home | I mean, the zaurus sells there :p |
| 02:34.05 | kergoth | i still want that tiny sharp lappie with the usb 2.0 cradle |
| 02:34.15 | ljp | me too |
| 02:34.39 | W8TVI | treke|home: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004ZEPB/103-5821894-9003831?v=glance |
| 02:35.00 | treke|home | stuff a bigger battery in |
| 02:35.10 | treke|home | put a larger screen and keyboard/mouse |
| 02:35.12 | W8TVI | treke|home: that what I wantI bigger c7x0 |
| 02:35.18 | W8TVI | no mouse |
| 02:35.25 | W8TVI | tuch screen is fine |
| 02:35.27 | treke|home | maybe 128MB of flash for the OS + a card |
| 02:35.35 | treke|home | W8TVI: I'm talking about for full time use |
| 02:35.40 | treke|home | W8TVI: A touch screen doesnt cut it there |
| 02:35.41 | W8TVI | I dont want to have to carry around a stupid mouse |
| 02:35.53 | treke|home | W8TVI: You've never heard of a fucking trackpad? |
| 02:35.58 | W8TVI | I want a tuch screen for my laptop |
| 02:36.00 | treke|home | maybe 800x600 |
| 02:36.03 | W8TVI | trackpads suck |
| 02:36.15 | treke|home | not as much as touchscreens |
| 02:36.22 | W8TVI | its almost worn out on my laptop |
| 02:36.51 | BBMatthew | well linux for laptops is in a poor shape generally |
| 02:36.51 | W8TVI | Hewlett Packard Jornada 720 = sharp zaurus c700 |
| 02:37.04 | treke|home | jornada is much bigger than a c700 |
| 02:37.17 | W8TVI | but lower res |
| 02:37.18 | treke|home | nicer keyboard |
| 02:37.29 | treke|home | W8TVI: obviously |
| 02:37.37 | treke|home | W8TVI: It's a year or two older than the c700 |
| 02:37.50 | BBMatthew | I prefer wandering around with my Z in our dept which has a complete wireless net now and have a laptop with a wireless card to move my own mini net with me |
| 02:37.53 | W8TVI | c700 640x480, j720 640x240 |
| 02:38.39 | W8TVI | I went to a hamfest last saturday and some one was selling a pda called @mego |
| 02:38.40 | treke|home | if they were manufacturing 720 today they would very likely have better specs |
| 02:38.48 | W8TVI | it has a pcmcia slot in it |
| 02:39.12 | kergoth | wonder how that screen is on that sharp lappie with teh 3d display |
| 02:39.17 | BBMatthew | how crap |
| 02:39.58 | treke|home | kergoth: My money is on crappyu |
| 02:40.24 | chouimat | ? |
| 02:40.24 | kergoth | treke|home: its from sharp, so i'd think the lcd would be badass. but its obviously an early generation of the technology |
| 02:40.57 | treke|home | I suspect it will be like the c700 display |
| 02:41.02 | treke|home | nice in the ideal conditions |
| 02:41.06 | treke|home | poorer overall |
| 02:44.07 | W8TVI | one of the guys I met there was trash talking linux becouse it wasn't BSD |
| 02:44.49 | W8TVI | said linux isn't secure |
| 02:45.11 | W8TVI | I told him that you can make it secure. |
| 02:46.04 | W8TVI | he didn't have much to say about it after that |
| 02:46.12 | treke|home | the stupid thing about that claim is. 99% of the software is the exact same thing |
| 02:46.13 | W8TVI | and he never heard about Kismet |
| 02:46.29 | treke|home | they don't have some magic bsd web server, it's apache |
| 02:46.33 | treke|home | same as everyone else uses |
| 02:46.37 | W8TVI | what is airdump? |
| 02:46.43 | BBMatthew | aqpkg is still being assy, same problem. If I try to install another version ipkg spits out void_list_remove errors |
| 02:47.34 | BBMatthew | its tcpdump for wireless |
| 02:47.58 | W8TVI | ah |
| 02:48.29 | W8TVI | he seemed to think that airdump was better than kismet |
| 02:48.54 | BBMatthew | kismet is the hacking tool for wireless? oh sorry 'admin' |
| 02:49.14 | W8TVI | I told him that kismet displays the info in a much more useful manor |
| 02:49.41 | W8TVI | and it automatictly logs what it finds for you |
| 02:50.38 | W8TVI | I'd like to see someone run iptables on their winCE pda |
| 02:50.53 | W8TVI | or any firewall for that matter |
| 02:59.14 | fdask | forgive her... for she knows not what she does.. |
| 03:00.24 | BBMatthew | wtf is up with aqpkg |
| 03:00.55 | kergoth | fdask: good song :) |
| 03:00.56 | BBMatthew | are people using the latest pull buildroot has made of opie? |
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| 03:11.00 | W8TVI | I want one of these: http://www.dynamism.com/x10/main.shtml |
| 03:12.13 | treke|home | kergoth: man now i have to clean my monitor after pole's last comment |
| 03:12.20 | BBMatthew | I was most astonished but the performance of the PIII tualatin -S actually |
| 03:13.26 | BBMatthew | ljp: got a problem with aqpkg being screwed any thoughts? its supposedly an ipk but ipkg barfs on it |
| 03:18.53 | kergoth | http://www.dynamism.com/u101/index.shtml <-that looks kinda cool |
| 03:19.33 | treke|home | kergoth: that looks cool |
| 03:19.37 | chouimat | kergoth: http://ulyx.ath.cx/prague |
| 03:19.40 | kergoth | yeah, its like a bigger c700. |
| 03:19.42 | treke|home | kergoth: I'd still prefer something more pda like |
| 03:19.44 | kergoth | the 'always carry' pc |
| 03:19.52 | kergoth | in what way? |
| 03:19.57 | kergoth | wonder what hte bat life is on that thing |
| 03:20.03 | treke|home | whole |
| 03:20.22 | W8TVI | kergoth: I saw a acer laptop that had a 12" tuch screen that rotated for $799 |
| 03:20.25 | kergoth | heh, the Z just automatically boots up when you full reset, and autosuspends on boot. on is just 'resume' |
| 03:20.38 | kergoth | so just leave that device always suspended |
| 03:20.39 | treke|home | kergoth: I know :p |
| 03:20.50 | W8TVI | so while its supended, its still using power? |
| 03:20.52 | kergoth | W8TVI: sounds cool |
| 03:21.00 | kergoth | W8TVI: minimal. all peripheral chips have power cut |
| 03:21.02 | treke|home | usually either 1) not worked |
| 03:21.06 | treke|home | 2) taken way too long |
| 03:21.24 | W8TVI | I saw it at sams club, but I just cant find it on the net |
| 03:21.36 | W8TVI | it had a dvd rom drive too |
| 03:21.54 | W8TVI | and it was about an inch thick |
| 03:21.54 | kergoth | I want a really small, light laptop. i'll do my damn compiles on remote machines. |
| 03:22.09 | kergoth | thas why i was looking at that sharp mm1 with the cradle |
| 03:22.12 | W8TVI | it was something like a 733mhz cpu |
| 03:22.26 | W8TVI | no power house |
| 03:22.48 | treke|home | kergoth: That's why I was thinking something like an upgraded 720 or sig3 would be great |
| 03:22.55 | W8TVI | and it was barly bigger than the screen |
| 03:23.05 | W8TVI | the screen might have ben smaller |
| 03:23.06 | kergoth | treke|home: yeah |
| 03:23.13 | W8TVI | it was tiny for a laptop |
| 03:23.13 | treke|home | small enough that I'd carry it all the time. decent enough battery power, and enough power for me to run a comfortable interface |
| 03:23.24 | W8TVI | smaller than the viao that sony is selling |
| 03:23.30 | treke|home | chouimat|shower: I'm noticing a pattern in all of your pictures |
| 03:23.39 | kergoth | treke|home: exactly. for me, itd be a tool to run apps to store data, and a damn ssh client, and thats about it |
| 03:24.06 | treke|home | yeah, and it really doesnt need to store much more data than You can get CF for reasonably |
| 03:24.24 | kergoth | yep. good connectivity is a must |
| 03:24.38 | kergoth | onboard bt preferably |
| 03:24.41 | treke|home | I'm thinking 640x480 or 800x600. jornada sized keyboard. two cf ports. pxa255, 64 or 128mb of ram |
| 03:24.44 | treke|home | bt |
| 03:24.52 | treke|home | and 128mb of flash |
| 03:25.33 | treke|home | I'd also like one of those nipple pointers |
| 03:25.49 | W8TVI | I hate those |
| 03:26.01 | BBMatthew | i want eyeball focus where it knows what i am looking at |
| 03:26.01 | treke|home | W8TVI: It'd beat a touch screen |
| 03:26.06 | kergoth | W8TVI: hell of a lot better than a touchpad |
| 03:26.09 | BBMatthew | gnight anyways |
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| 03:26.22 | W8TVI | give me the tuch screen over that anyday |
| 03:26.40 | W8TVI | mine would be reverse :) |
| 03:26.40 | treke|home | touchscreens suck because of the constant context switch between keyboard and stylus |
| 03:26.44 | kergoth | exactly |
| 03:26.49 | kergoth | you have to remove your hands from the keyboard |
| 03:26.54 | chouimat|shower | treke|home: a nice pattern? |
| 03:27.06 | treke|home | chouimat|shower: There is a woman in the center of each one |
| 03:27.32 | chouimat|shower | treke|home: the problem was not enough film and too mucn women :) |
| 03:27.33 | treke|home | the touchscreen even gets annoying on the z for some apps |
| 03:27.48 | treke|home | chouimat|shower: I don't call too many women a problem :p |
| 03:27.49 | W8TVI | hows that? |
| 03:27.58 | treke|home | well unless they are all x wives |
| 03:29.10 | treke|home | W8TVI: I'm working in tinykate, I switch back to gaim because I got a message. I have to pull out the stylus, push the gaim icon, and use the stylus to manipulate the gui |
| 03:29.32 | W8TVI | I dont use the stylus to switch :) |
| 03:29.42 | treke|home | then put down the stylus and type a message, then switch to kate and type more |
| 03:29.45 | treke|home | lather rince repeat |
| 03:29.53 | W8TVI | I just use my finger :P |
| 03:29.55 | treke|home | W8TVI: You need the stylus because gaim is not keyboard navigatable |
| 03:30.05 | treke|home | try doing that on the c700 |
| 03:30.12 | treke|home | where the icons are tiny |
| 03:30.21 | treke|home | who knows what button you'll actually hit |
| 03:30.24 | kergoth | no shit, 640x480 on that little display isnt exactly accurate with a finger |
| 03:30.24 | W8TVI | they need to make the screen bigger |
| 03:30.49 | treke|home | No, they need to make the gui keyboard navigatable |
| 03:31.23 | treke|home | the screen is fairly niced size, you just cant poke it with a finger. That was only semi doable on a 320x240 display |
| 03:31.47 | W8TVI | think "finger stylus" |
| 03:32.04 | W8TVI | you can still type with it, but its alway there handy |
| 03:32.22 | treke|home | with the nipple thing you have to shift your hand a bit, but it takes much less time to move back and forth |
| 03:32.27 | W8TVI | hmm... |
| 03:32.36 | W8TVI | I wonder if they make them... |
| 03:32.43 | kergoth | yeah they do |
| 03:33.00 | treke|home | it's not Logitech Trackman Marble, but it's easier to use |
| 03:33.02 | W8TVI | that you can use with a pda that has a keyboard |
| 03:33.31 | W8TVI | http://www.stingerstylus.com/ |
| 03:33.41 | W8TVI | is it just me, or do they look like condoms? |
| 03:33.58 | treke|home | kergoth: It's kinda funny that I use the same gui environment on my dual athlon workstation as I did on my old ipaq 3600 with 32MB of ram and 16MB of flash :p |
| 03:35.37 | treke|home | w00t |
| 03:35.40 | treke|home | treke.net is back |
| 03:35.45 | kergoth | nice |
| 03:35.53 | W8TVI | hmmm... all of the finger stylus' would only work on a pda that you type with your thumbs... |
| 03:36.25 | kergoth | c7x0 is good with the thumbs hwen its in your hands |
| 03:36.26 | W8TVI | hmmm... do you thumb type on a c7x0? |
| 03:36.31 | kergoth | but with your pointer fingers when its on a table |
| 03:36.35 | kergoth | it varies |
| 03:36.40 | treke|home | yeah |
| 03:37.04 | treke|home | I like the key spacing on the c700 |
| 03:37.33 | kergoth | sharp does great hardware, its amazing how sucky their software is |
| 03:37.38 | kergoth | just odd. |
| 03:37.54 | W8TVI | I like the thumb board on the sl-5500... I'd like the keyboard on the c7x0 better, but I like the 5500's |
| 03:37.55 | treke|home | it would have been cooler with a 3.8 inch lcd though |
| 03:38.07 | cyn_ | kergoth: totally different fields tho :) |
| 03:38.13 | kergoth | cyn_: indeed |
| 03:38.24 | kergoth | 5500 took a little getting used to |
| 03:38.41 | treke|home | I've got fingers most men would like attached someplace else |
| 03:38.52 | treke|home | hehe |
| 03:38.58 | cyn_ | hahaha |
| 03:39.07 | kergoth | aha |
| 03:39.08 | treke|home | kergoth: sure enough, the server didnt crash |
| 03:39.09 | W8TVI | I'm glad I didn't endup with hands like my dads |
| 03:39.19 | kergoth | treke|home: nice |
| 03:39.22 | kergoth | brb |
| 03:39.30 | W8TVI | he has fat fingers |
| 03:39.34 | treke|home | the dhcp server just stopped talking to the vlan it was on |
| 03:40.31 | W8TVI | I wonder how hard it'd be to get linux to run on one of those u101's? |
| 03:40.47 | kergoth | treke|home: what was that scotch you recommended the other day again? i lost the file i wrote it in |
| 03:40.55 | kergoth | W8TVI: good question |
| 03:40.55 | treke|home | laphroaig |
| 03:41.03 | treke|home | kergoth: got it at trader joes |
| 03:43.01 | kergoth | heh, people see my hands and say i should be a guitarist or a pianist |
| 03:43.07 | kergoth | i say typing works for me |
| 03:43.25 | W8TVI | wow |
| 03:43.26 | W8TVI | http://www.dynamism.com/w2/index.shtml |
| 03:43.40 | W8TVI | I havent seen a built in cdrom drive like that in years! |
| 03:43.52 | kergoth | hah, cool |
| 03:43.56 | kergoth | 7.5 hour standard battery? |
| 03:43.58 | kergoth | damn. |
| 03:44.30 | W8TVI | I can only get about 2 hours while playing DVDs with mine |
| 03:44.45 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:44.54 | kergoth | i cant believe they still use sound blaster pro as the measure of sound compatiiblity |
| 03:44.55 | W8TVI | heh |
| 03:45.04 | treke|home | just like hayes compatbile modems :) |
| 03:45.08 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:45.17 | kergoth | god the sound cards back in those days that werent creative sucked |
| 03:45.21 | kergoth | like "pro audio spectrum" |
| 03:45.25 | kergoth | shit didnt work in half the games |
| 03:45.29 | kergoth | without ugly workarounds |
| 03:45.44 | treke|home | well, except for in laptops and pdas |
| 03:45.45 | kergoth | friends did though |
| 03:45.51 | treke|home | but they dont count |
| 03:45.53 | W8TVI | my toshiba uses a yamaha sound card |
| 03:46.06 | W8TVI | I've had 4 non soundblaster sound cards |
| 03:46.17 | W8TVI | but the sounblaster ones are the best that I have had |
| 03:46.34 | treke|home | I've heard a lot of complaints about the sblive and newer |
| 03:46.39 | treke|home | cant say I've had problems |
| 03:46.42 | W8TVI | I have a SB32 card with 4 meg of ram on it, and a SB live! x-gamer |
| 03:46.49 | W8TVI | I love it |
| 03:46.59 | W8TVI | never have had trouble with it |
| 03:47.03 | W8TVI | even under linux |
| 03:47.08 | treke|home | W8TVI: O |
| 03:47.16 | kergoth | heh, does linux support EAX & shit yet? |
| 03:47.20 | treke|home | W8TVI: I'm betting half the complaints are crappy windows software |
| 03:47.20 | W8TVI | no |
| 03:47.22 | treke|home | kergoth: nope |
| 03:47.26 | kergoth | that sucks. |
| 03:47.35 | W8TVI | it dont even support the back channels |
| 03:47.35 | treke|home | creative was going to release a driver |
| 03:47.37 | treke|home | never did |
| 03:47.45 | treke|home | W8TVI: You can fake those |
| 03:47.52 | W8TVI | I guess |
| 03:48.02 | treke|home | people have done it for games |
| 03:48.16 | W8TVI | but still, any game I want to play is windows only anyway |
| 03:48.25 | W8TVI | so I get the nice sound anyway |
| 03:48.30 | W8TVI | no loss for me |
| 03:48.46 | kergoth | i should play nwn again |
| 03:48.51 | kergoth | been collecting dust for a while |
| 03:48.57 | treke|home | max payne was the last game I played in windows |
| 03:49.00 | W8TVI | what I really like is my soundblaster Extigy |
| 03:49.10 | W8TVI | I like Tron 2.0 |
| 03:49.12 | W8TVI | it rocks |
| 03:49.14 | kergoth | that the exernal one? |
| 03:49.17 | W8TVI | yep |
| 03:49.40 | kergoth | heh, nothing like saturating half your bus with audio streams thatd be better off going down pci |
| 03:49.46 | kergoth | s/bus/usb bus/ |
| 03:49.47 | W8TVI | I use it as a dolby digital 5.1 decoder for my DVD player more than anything else |
| 03:50.01 | W8TVI | works great on my laptop |
| 03:50.15 | W8TVI | but then again, I dont play game on my laptop |
| 03:50.32 | W8TVI | we got it mostly for recording sound with out laptop |
| 03:50.54 | W8TVI | we were using it for recording sound to master audio CDs |
| 03:50.59 | kergoth | dynamism needs store |
| 03:51.00 | kergoth | s |
| 03:51.05 | kergoth | so we can play with this shit first hand |
| 03:51.24 | W8TVI | that way we wouldnt have carry to desktop where we were going |
| 03:51.29 | kergoth | i mean, imagine how many more c7x0's theyd sell |
| 03:51.40 | kergoth | if people got ahold of the device to see what its like |
| 03:52.01 | treke|home | put windows ce on a c700 and put it ont he shelves at best buy |
| 03:52.02 | W8TVI | a laptop, extigy, and mixer is alot more easy than taking the tower, monitor, etc... |
| 03:52.07 | treke|home | that fucker would be flying |
| 03:52.10 | W8TVI | its sell like hotcakes |
| 03:52.11 | kergoth | treke|home: no kidding |
| 03:52.24 | W8TVI | the c700 would make a very nice winCE computer |
| 03:52.25 | treke|home | sharp would be rolling in the pda dough |
| 03:52.46 | kergoth | yeah. all my friends said that (the non-geeks) |
| 03:52.55 | kergoth | they'd buy it in a heartbeat if it was ce and in a local store |
| 03:52.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:53.24 | W8TVI | sharp sould have made a CE verson alongwith the linux version |
| 03:53.54 | kergoth | the linux one could have potention if sharp didnt suck as much as they do at apps |
| 03:53.57 | treke|home | sell the device with wince, then let people port linux to it |
| 03:53.58 | kergoth | potential rather |
| 03:54.23 | treke|home | they could keep the money coming in and we'd still get a decent device |
| 03:54.45 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 03:55.07 | W8TVI | even the sl-5500 with CE on it would sell |
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| 03:55.21 | W8TVI | people would get it just for the keyboard |
| 03:55.30 | hsink | ibot seen TCMAN |
| 03:55.30 | | tcman <~dbehr@adsl-64-170-122-35.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 5d 1h 15m 32s ago, saying: 'cu guys'. |
| 03:57.05 | W8TVI | heres a nice one: http://www.dynamism.com/t90d/main.shtml |
| 03:57.09 | W8TVI | dvd-rw |
| 04:01.58 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 04:01.59 | W8TVI | http://www.dynamism.com/libretto/main.shtml |
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| 04:02.25 | W8TVI | looks like a small verison of the huge widescreen toshiba that we got now |
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| 04:12.09 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
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| 06:03.27 | hsink | ibot seen TCMAN |
| 06:03.27 | | tcman <~dbehr@adsl-64-170-122-35.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 5d 3h 23m 29s ago, saying: 'cu guys'. |
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| 06:22.39 | treke|home | http://bash.org/?43808 |
| 06:22.50 | treke|home | I wonder if it is the bigboss we know and love |
| 06:27.56 | W8TVI|z | http://bash.org/?136816 |
| 06:38.05 | treke|home | http://bash.org/?140338 |
| 06:39.07 | W8TVI|z | http://bash.org/?6060 |
| 06:40.25 | W8TVI|z | http://bash.org/?105667 |
| 06:41.15 | ljp | I need food |
| 06:43.48 | W8TVI|z | http://bash.org/?33693 |
| 06:52.41 | W8TVI|z | http://bash.org/?115960 |
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| 07:51.37 | prh | anyone know of a cvs output of the OZ or OE buildroots? |
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| 07:53.38 | ljp | like a webcvs? |
| 07:53.56 | ljp | or a snapsot of the cvs tree |
| 07:54.15 | ljp | err bitkeeper tree |
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| 07:59.58 | prh | yea |
| 08:02.03 | prh | bah lirc won't build |
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| 09:39.32 | HCl | does anybody know why the new qte is incompatible with programs built for the old qte? |
| 10:04.44 | Twiun | HCl: nope, no idea... maybe TT changed some bits? |
| 10:05.22 | mickeyl | HCl: define "incompatible". In how far? |
| 10:05.26 | mickeyl | moin Twiun |
| 10:07.47 | Twiun | hey mickeyl |
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| 10:13.07 | chouimat | morning |
| 10:14.30 | chouimat | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030918&mode=classic |
| 10:15.20 | HCl | mickeyl: undefined symbol |
| 10:15.23 | HCl | iirc |
| 10:15.30 | HCl | _7QString.shared_null |
| 10:15.53 | HCl | i was wondering whether qte 2.3.7 could be slightly adapted so old programs would still run |
| 10:23.23 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 10:23.35 | mickeyl | HCl: are you sure you compiled it with the same toolchain? |
| 10:24.23 | chouimat | hi Twiun mickeyl |
| 10:25.23 | mickeyl | hi chouimat |
| 10:25.56 | HCl | mickeyl: no, i probably didnt |
| 10:26.07 | HCl | mickeyl: these are binary programs downloaded from zaurus.killefiz.de |
| 10:26.19 | HCl | that dont work with a buildroot build of openzaurus anymore |
| 10:26.36 | HCl | i cant recompile them, because the source of them isnt available |
| 10:30.10 | mickeyl | HCl: hmm - is this a GPL program? |
| 10:30.22 | mickeyl | HCl: what program are we talking about anyway? |
| 10:30.38 | HCl | multiple, the hancom programs |
| 10:30.40 | HCl | nethack |
| 10:30.42 | HCl | snes9x |
| 10:30.49 | HCl | visualboyadvance |
| 10:30.54 | mickeyl | apart from the hancom stuff that's all gpl |
| 10:31.01 | mickeyl | you should have access to the sourcecode |
| 10:31.11 | HCl | yes, but the sources to compile snes9x, visualboyadvance and nethack are not available |
| 10:31.16 | HCl | they've been patched so they work on the zaurus |
| 10:31.33 | HCl | in any case |
| 10:31.38 | mickeyl | then mail a formal source-request to the authors. the _have_ to provide source. |
| 10:31.41 | HCl | i dont want to have to recompile everything |
| 10:31.53 | HCl | its easier to either compile opie 1.0 with 2.3.5 |
| 10:31.58 | HCl | or make 2.3.7 compatible |
| 10:32.10 | mickeyl | well |
| 10:32.16 | mickeyl | diff 2.3.7 against 2.3.5 and you'll see maybe |
| 10:32.22 | mickeyl | (don't count on that ;) |
| 10:32.30 | mickeyl | better is compile opie 1.0 against 2.3.5 |
| 10:32.40 | HCl | im just gonna locate where the symbol is coming from in 2.3.5 |
| 10:32.48 | HCl | and see whether i can put it back in 2.3.7 |
| 10:33.17 | mickeyl | comme tu veux |
| 10:33.21 | mickeyl | lunch time |
| 10:39.48 | HCl | afk |
| 10:42.23 | chouimat | see you all tomorrow |
| 10:43.38 | Twiun | see ya chouimat |
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| 11:11.26 | BBBBMatthew | right well the system is partially functioning |
| 11:41.19 | mickeyl | partially? |
| 11:41.41 | mickeyl | HCI: downgrade to Vars.make rev 1.124 |
| 11:41.54 | mickeyl | HCl: and delete the toolchain path from your local $PATH, Vars.make takes care about that |
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| 12:14.43 | BBBBMatthew | Does opie network support stored profiles for various networks yet? |
| 12:17.41 | mickeyl | don't think so |
| 12:17.52 | mickeyl | iirc that feature is under construction |
| 12:17.54 | mickeyl | patches welcome |
| 12:22.34 | BBBBMatthew | well something has diedd, is it normal when building a feed to have a lot of void{_list_error element not found? |
| 12:22.53 | mickeyl | never seen that |
| 12:23.05 | mickeyl | so, not normal |
| 12:23.42 | BBBBMatthew | I am guessing silent build failures |
| 12:23.53 | BBBBMatthew | when it tries to build the ipks it can't |
| 12:30.35 | Twiun | the buildroot is usually pretty verbose though |
| 12:33.47 | BBBBMatthew | yeah but I think its being lost in all the rubbish spewed up the screen on initrb build |
| 12:35.02 | mickeyl | you can always do a make image and post the output on a web site for us to look in |
| 12:35.50 | BBBBMatthew | I can let you have a kernel, initrd and feed |
| 12:35.52 | BBBBMatthew | 1 sec |
| 12:39.52 | Twiun | mickeyl: think we should add one of those web 'public paste' places in the chan title? |
| 12:39.56 | BBBBMatthew | there you can access the lot from www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~mas01r/sl5600 |
| 12:40.39 | BBBBMatthew | yippee |
| 12:41.02 | Twiun | the logs please ;) |
| 12:41.08 | BBBBMatthew | oh :) |
| 12:41.18 | Twiun | build binaries don't help in debugging the build process much... |
| 12:41.23 | Twiun | s/build/built/ |
| 12:42.03 | BBBBMatthew | does it keep a log? |
| 12:42.14 | BBBBMatthew | or do you want a dump of what ipk says to me? |
| 12:42.24 | Twiun | the dump will do |
| 12:42.49 | Twiun | buildroot logs tend to be created with 'make >& log.txt' :) |
| 12:43.07 | BBBBMatthew | fair nuuf |
| 12:43.25 | BBBBMatthew | at least you don't have a giant iron cluebat like mickeyl |
| 12:44.25 | BBBBMatthew | could me defining a new arch have anything to do with it? |
| 12:44.30 | Twiun | oh, but I _do_ |
| 12:44.36 | Twiun | it's on loan atm |
| 12:44.39 | Twiun | ... to mickeyl |
| 12:44.46 | Twiun | I use it quite often in #java |
| 12:45.02 | BBBBMatthew | once he thought I has said they should have converted all the sources for OZ to use buildroot natively |
| 12:45.16 | Twiun | lol |
| 12:45.20 | BBBBMatthew | that *hurt* |
| 12:45.30 | BBBBMatthew | I was trying to pay a compliment |
| 12:45.52 | Twiun | we're trigger happy sometimes ;) |
| 12:45.56 | Twiun | ~lart Twiun |
| 12:46.24 | mickeyl | been distracted |
| 12:46.28 | mickeyl | the output you posted is a feed |
| 12:46.39 | mickeyl | i thought you were having problems with make image ? |
| 12:46.49 | mickeyl | so it is just the Package-file generation not working? |
| 12:46.52 | BBBBMatthew | nuts gaim is nadgered again - going offline temporarily |
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| 12:47.26 | mickeyl | hmm |
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| 12:48.17 | Twiun | wb |
| 12:48.31 | Twiun | BBMatthew: you should use a Real(tm) irc client ;) |
| 12:48.35 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 12:48.41 | BBMatthew | soz sometimes gaim goes and eats about 50% cpu with a hidden process |
| 12:49.21 | mickeyl | well, kvirc ain't so bad in v 3.0 |
| 12:49.46 | BBMatthew | try www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~mas01r/sl5600/log.txt |
| 12:51.19 | BBMatthew | geez I had no idea there were sooo many errors |
| 12:51.43 | mickeyl | ouch |
| 12:51.49 | mickeyl | that looks pretty strange |
| 12:51.53 | BBMatthew | they flip by at such speed I never saw them and then they get pushed off the top of the terminal by the final jffsx build |
| 12:52.02 | BBMatthew | looks like ipk isn't happy |
| 12:52.19 | BBMatthew | wonder if its ipkg or the ipk's |
| 12:52.44 | mickeyl | check if you find that error message in the ipkg sources somehow |
| 12:52.55 | mickeyl | s/somehow/somewhere |
| 12:55.52 | BBMatthew | indeed its in ipkg-x86 bin, void_list.c, ipkg_hash_test ipkg_extract_test |
| 12:58.28 | BBMatthew | I shall try a deliberate rebuild |
| 12:58.30 | BBMatthew | ls |
| 13:04.02 | prh | hmm /me can't build xfree86 qpegps mplayer |
| 13:04.55 | Twiun | prh: philosophical reasons or do you have a log to show us? |
| 13:07.29 | prh | I can show logs, yes :O) |
| 13:09.37 | prh | NOTE: import patch '/home/paul/Z/d/buildroot-oz/packages/mplayer/mplayer-makefile.patch' as 'mplayer-makefile' |
| 13:09.41 | prh | ERROR: patch did not apply, try again with force (-f -i ...) |
| 13:09.43 | prh | Patch had errors |
| 13:09.44 | prh | full log at mjr.org/logs |
| 13:09.47 | prh | make[1]: *** [/home/paul/Z/d/buildroot-oz/stamps/.mplayer.sourcetree] Error 1 |
| 13:09.50 | prh | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/paul/Z/d/buildroot-oz/packages/mplayer' |
| 13:11.17 | mickeyl | mplayer is flaky |
| 13:11.20 | mickeyl | don't try to build :) |
| 13:11.24 | prh | no kidding |
| 13:11.25 | mickeyl | going home... |
| 13:11.27 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 13:11.27 | prh | ok X... |
| 13:11.27 | prh | cp -au /home/paul/Z/sources/main/* /home/paul/Z/d/buildroot-oz/build/mplayer/ |
| 13:11.31 | prh | /home/paul/Z/d/buildroot-oz/scripts/patcher -p 0 -i /home/paul/Z/d/buildroot-oz/packages/mplayer/mplayer-makefile.patch |
| 13:11.34 | prh | NOTE: import patch '/home/paul/Z/d/buildroot-oz/packages/mplayer/mplayer-makefile.patch' as 'mplayer-makefile' |
| 13:11.37 | prh | ERROR: patch did not apply, try again with force (-f -i ...) |
| 13:11.40 | prh | Patch had errors |
| 13:11.42 | prh | mickeyl: ok l8r |
| 13:17.05 | prh | hmmm why does konq-embeded get built every time I make? |
| 13:19.40 | BBMatthew | .e wonders why he can't link to shared code libs built from gcc2 to a gcc3 project :-P |
| 13:27.20 | HCl | prh: i've been wondering that too. |
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| 13:55.15 | Twiun | hey Dan |
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| 14:00.35 | DanWilliams | hey Twiun |
| 14:01.13 | schurig | find | xargs echo "Hi, " |
| 14:05.16 | schurig | are there still some east cost americans here? |
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| 14:12.12 | Twiun | schurig: guess not |
| 14:37.47 | mickeyl | prh,HCl: re. Konquror: seems $(stamp-binary) or $(stamp-ipk) is buggy. feel free to correct. |
| 14:37.47 | schurig | mickeyl: hi |
| 14:38.20 | mickeyl | hi schurig |
| 14:38.37 | mickeyl | how 'bout a mini meeting when Zecke visits you? |
| 14:44.52 | treke|home | just west coasters |
| 14:48.58 | kergoth | bleh. |
| 14:49.04 | mickeyl | moin kergoth |
| 14:49.19 | mickeyl | s/bleh/Good morning buddies |
| 14:49.19 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 14:49.36 | Twiun | hey keg |
| 14:49.51 | treke|home | west coasters and texans |
| 14:53.22 | kergoth | my remote to unlock my car didnt work this morning |
| 14:53.31 | kergoth | and i havent had the actual door key since 2 weeks after buying the car |
| 14:53.34 | kergoth | :\ |
| 14:53.41 | kergoth | wonder if the battery just died in the damn thing |
| 14:53.43 | mickeyl | battery? |
| 14:53.46 | mickeyl | most likely |
| 14:54.03 | kergoth | glad i can just walk to work so i wasnt late |
| 14:54.03 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:56.57 | gb2 | door key differs from the ignition key? |
| 14:58.04 | schurig | kergoth: oh, you don't have variable work hours? I hardly can come to late, because I can come anytime between 4:00 in the morning (bleh!) and 11:00 a.m. |
| 15:04.24 | kergoth | schurig: yeah i do have flexible hours, but i could be late for my own preferred schedule :) |
| 15:05.29 | schurig | an early bird ... :-) |
| 15:05.55 | kergoth | i usually do 10-7, but have been trying to cut it back to 9-6 to give me more time in the evening |
| 15:07.24 | gb2 | i'm really productive if i work 7-4 |
| 15:07.32 | gb2 | i rarely wake up that early though |
| 15:09.06 | schurig | hehe, right now I let my compiler work for me. Any interesting web pages to read in the meantime? |
| 15:14.26 | treke|home | hehehe |
| 15:14.43 | treke|home | pager in my cell phone went off and the damn thing rattled across the desk and onto the floor :) |
| 15:18.15 | schurig | horror, kernel-2.6 for embedded framebuffers include a whole mode-line database |
| 15:18.42 | schurig | and and monitor EDID parser |
| 15:19.45 | prh | schurig: hmm - slightly insane |
| 15:19.56 | prh | treke|home: thats what the vibrator is for isnt it? |
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| 15:20.23 | BBMatthew | ibot ljp |
| 15:20.24 | | ljp is probably currently an earthling from the planet Mergatroid or http://llornkcor.com |
| 15:20.47 | treke|home | prh: hehe :p |
| 15:21.57 | BBMatthew | hmm, guys any thoughts on the source of the errors im my make image? the log is on www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~mas01r/sl5600/log.txt |
| 15:22.34 | kergoth | BBMatthew: um, ipkg sucks? |
| 15:22.37 | prh | kergoth: whats your OE converted apps tally at now? |
| 15:23.19 | kergoth | not sure offhand. 40 or something. theres a total of 59, but some were there to obtain toolchains, and some were never in buildroot (i.e. apache) |
| 15:23.27 | prh | BBMatthew: I saw that once - but only once - couldnt repeat it |
| 15:23.44 | prh | apache! oh eck :O) |
| 15:23.55 | BBMatthew | interesting, it features in both the ipkg-x86 and the ipkg on the Z |
| 15:26.05 | BBMatthew | oh yes as another point opie doesn't use the buildroot optimization flags, I don't know about the OE tree |
| 15:26.30 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:26.38 | kergoth | then someone broke it. |
| 15:26.48 | BBMatthew | no, it never used them |
| 15:26.55 | kergoth | yes, it did. |
| 15:27.02 | kergoth | it used them when we added opie to buildroot |
| 15:27.04 | BBMatthew | its in the opie packages makefile by hand |
| 15:27.10 | kergoth | NOW IT IS |
| 15:27.13 | kergoth | someone fucking broke it |
| 15:27.17 | kergoth | how fucking hard is that to understand |
| 15:27.19 | BBMatthew | I realise this now |
| 15:27.21 | kergoth | opie has its own opts flags |
| 15:27.23 | BBMatthew | indeed |
| 15:27.23 | kergoth | we OVERRIDE them |
| 15:27.25 | kergoth | with our own |
| 15:27.28 | kergoth | so its fucking irrelevent |
| 15:29.07 | BBMatthew | I don't know about OE but buildroot wasn't - the old armv4 sa1110 opts were being used. Just thought you should know. Though why I said it never used the opts I don't know as I wasn't there |
| 15:29.16 | BBMatthew | :) |
| 15:29.23 | kergoth | huh? |
| 15:29.32 | kergoth | it never used it in _this_ build run |
| 15:29.38 | kergoth | s/never/didnt/ |
| 15:29.46 | kergoth | shall we look up teh definition of "never" together? |
| 15:31.11 | BBMatthew | no need my bad |
| 15:37.33 | Twiun | kergoth: you know the ibot defs for the weekdays, were they predefined, from the web or just inspiration? |
| 15:39.38 | prh | Twiun: lots of channels use ibot. it looks to me like the work of Tangent - but I don't know |
| 15:39.56 | kergoth | twiun: inspiration i guess, the output of bs'ing on this channel. we are mostly cynics after all. |
| 15:40.15 | Twiun | kergoth: I was thinking of immortalising them on the web |
| 15:40.22 | kergoth | feel free |
| 15:40.34 | kergoth | hm |
| 15:40.38 | kergoth | they should be added to the fortune db |
| 15:40.39 | prh | BZFlag or Tangent may have logs |
| 15:40.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:40.43 | kergoth | ibot: logs |
| 15:40.44 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 15:40.45 | kergoth | prh: ^ |
| 15:41.00 | prh | kergoth: yea I'm not gonna go hunting there :O) |
| 15:41.07 | kergoth | nor i. thats a shitload of logs |
| 15:41.15 | Twiun | no joke |
| 15:41.34 | prh | commander riker might be able to do a quick grep though |
| 15:42.44 | kergoth | heh. grep -r 'ibot.*wednesday.*is.*week' * |
| 15:43.20 | kergoth | hmm there we go. oeimage works |
| 15:43.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:44.17 | treke | mornin |
| 15:45.36 | kergoth | ibot: factinfo wednesday |
| 15:45.36 | | wednesday -- created by kergoth <~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net> at Mon Mar 31 22:47:08 2003 (170 days); it has been requested 23 times, last by prh, 6m 58s ago. |
| 15:45.42 | kergoth | ibot: factinfo saturday |
| 15:45.42 | | saturday -- created by kergoth <~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net> at Tue Feb 4 21:31:46 2003 (225 days); it has been requested 20 times, last by prh, 6m 47s ago. |
| 15:45.55 | treke | ibot oz buildoot |
| 15:45.56 | | wish i knew, treke |
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| 15:46.00 | treke | ibot oz buildroot |
| 15:46.01 | | i heard oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 15:46.17 | treke | ibot oe buildroot is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/oe |
| 15:46.17 | | treke: okay |
| 15:46.27 | treke | ibot oe bitkeeper is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/oe |
| 15:46.28 | | okay, treke |
| 15:47.11 | BBMatthew | just to confirm someone has hardcoded opie for the collie in the current buildroot unless opie uses env variables. But I caught it ignoring the optimisations beofre |
| 15:47.59 | treke | hardcoded opie for collie? |
| 15:48.14 | BBMatthew | whats the command to find out when someone was last online? |
| 15:48.40 | kergoth | BBMatthew: are you unable to read, or what? |
| 15:48.47 | kergoth | according to the opie makefile in buildroot |
| 15:48.52 | kergoth | we pass CFLAGS in CFLAGS_EXTRA |
| 15:49.29 | BBMatthew | but it then uses something called CONFIG_OPTIMIZATIONS="-march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -mapcs-32 -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -O2" |
| 15:49.58 | kergoth | and what about it? |
| 15:50.16 | kergoth | you seem to imply that means we cant override that. |
| 15:50.21 | BBMatthew | thats what is used in the build |
| 15:50.24 | kergoth | did you even bother to see what opie _does_ with CONFIG_OPTIMIZATIONS? |
| 15:50.40 | BBMatthew | its not changed inside the packages/opie dir |
| 15:50.50 | kergoth | jesus christ |
| 15:50.55 | kergoth | here's an example for you |
| 15:51.02 | kergoth | lets just say, opie puts CONFIG_OPTIMIZATIONS in CFLAGS_EXTRA |
| 15:51.05 | kergoth | what does buildroot do? |
| 15:51.07 | kergoth | thats right.. |
| 15:51.13 | kergoth | it OVERRIDES FUCKING CFLAGS_EXTRA |
| 15:51.18 | kergoth | the fact htat opie has that variable is irrelevent. |
| 15:51.44 | kergoth | if opie is obeying its own _now_ instead of ours then we're passing them in the wrong variable, _recently_ |
| 15:51.58 | kergoth | the fact that opie has CONFIG_OPTIMIZATIONS does _not_ mean that we cant override it, or that anything is hardcoded |
| 15:58.19 | treke | did you write a syntax file for oe? |
| 15:58.34 | treke | actually, screw that |
| 15:58.43 | treke | standard sh syntax highlighting works pretty well |
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| 16:24.17 | Twiun | kergoth: can I book you sometime tomorrow for an oe session? |
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| 16:28.21 | kergoth | Twiun: yeah, no problem |
| 16:29.05 | Twiun | cool - I won't have the time tonight ;) |
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| 16:33.27 | BBMatthew | gnight |
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| 16:35.54 | treke | hmmm. does omake log what went wrong? |
| 16:36.20 | kergoth | tmp/[category]/[pkg]/temp/{log,run}.{oebuild pid} |
| 16:36.27 | treke | ah cool. |
| 16:36.34 | treke | glibc isnt building for me |
| 16:36.39 | kergoth | logging is one of the things that needs revamping |
| 16:37.03 | treke | probably because the toolchain I have is 2.95.e :p |
| 16:38.48 | kergoth | i cant believe im gonna have to take a cab up to buy a button cell for my car's remote unlocker |
| 16:39.16 | treke | lock your keys in the car? |
| 16:39.29 | kergoth | nah, i lost my door key like 2 weeks after i bought the car |
| 16:39.33 | kergoth | been using the remote ever since |
| 16:39.35 | treke | haha |
| 16:39.40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:39.41 | treke | how long ago was that? |
| 16:39.46 | kergoth | few years :) |
| 16:39.55 | treke | you know you can go get a new key :p |
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| 16:40.16 | kergoth | heheh, yeah i know |
| 16:40.17 | kergoth | hey bipolar |
| 16:40.29 | bipolar | kergoth: yo |
| 16:40.42 | bipolar | hows it going? |
| 16:41.07 | kergoth | not bad, working on OE's image creation tools |
| 16:41.24 | treke | ok. what is the difference between package-ver-r0 and package-ver directories? |
| 16:41.52 | kergoth | what FILESDIR evaluates to |
| 16:42.04 | kergoth | package-ver-r0's .oe would evaluate it to package-ver-r0 |
| 16:42.14 | kergoth | package-ver-r1 woudl evaluate it to the less specific package-ver |
| 16:42.17 | kergoth | assuming both exist |
| 16:42.37 | kergoth | so it can be PN, PN-PV, or PN-PV-PR, depending on how general the files are |
| 16:42.51 | treke | ok. I was seeing both in there, wasnt sure how they differentiated |
| 16:43.17 | kergoth | I've been avoiding going revision specific, since usually the patches are the same across revision, just not across version |
| 16:43.34 | kergoth | avoids me having to make a new dir for every revision, add a PLACEHOLDER, bk cp all the files, etc |
| 16:46.31 | gb2 | kergoth: FILESDIR can be any of those and oe picks the most specific of the ones that exist? |
| 16:46.40 | kergoth | gb2: exactly |
| 16:46.45 | gb2 | good good |
| 16:46.52 | kergoth | actually,k i'd prefer it to evaluate it on a per expansion basis |
| 16:46.54 | kergoth | so like |
| 16:46.58 | kergoth | file://${FILESDIR}/blah.patch |
| 16:47.08 | kergoth | woudl attempt to locate it in each of the dirs and expand based on that |
| 16:47.12 | kergoth | rather than on dir existance |
| 16:47.15 | gb2 | yeah. |
| 16:47.15 | kergoth | but oh well |
| 16:47.34 | gb2 | try PNVR, PNV, PN for each on whether the file exists |
| 16:47.59 | kergoth | yeah. since we know FILESDIR is a path, its sane. thing is though, i'd hate adding that much more complexity to the expansion code |
| 16:48.07 | kergoth | since its so highly specific to a certain variable |
| 16:48.15 | gb2 | *nod* |
| 16:48.19 | kergoth | maybe itd be better to have a convenience function to locate a file in PATH like structure |
| 16:48.27 | kergoth | which would be useful for OEPATH handling as well |
| 16:48.50 | kergoth | FILESPATH=PN:PNV:PNVR |
| 16:48.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:49.20 | gb2 | ${FILESDIR:blah.patch} or something along those lines. |
| 16:50.12 | kergoth | oe.oe .. do_install .. install -m 0755 ${OEPATH:bin/oe/oemake} ${D}/${bindir}/ |
| 16:50.15 | kergoth | heh! |
| 16:50.36 | gb2 | heh |
| 16:51.18 | aman | whats new |
| 16:51.52 | aman | kergoth wow, thats scary |
| 16:52.58 | gb2 | kergoth: i kept being bitten by a lack of formal parsing syntax last night. |
| 16:53.19 | gb2 | took me an hour to figure out i was missing a \ in my SRC_URI := ... lines |
| 16:53.34 | aman | ouch |
| 16:53.49 | kergoth | gb2: yeah, it hits me pretty often too. |
| 16:54.06 | treke | hmmm |
| 16:54.16 | treke | do_configure doesn't like having an empty do_stage |
| 16:54.19 | kergoth | pretty high priority to get that taken care of. but if we're going to rewrite the parser, may as well do it as a part of a new core lib rather than doing it here |
| 16:54.25 | kergoth | treke: nothing likes having an empty function |
| 16:54.30 | treke | ah |
| 16:54.33 | kergoth | treke: remove the function if you dont need to implement it |
| 16:54.39 | kergoth | you'll just use the base one |
| 16:54.44 | treke | well I do need to implement it |
| 16:54.50 | kergoth | then do so, but not empty. |
| 16:54.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:54.52 | treke | I just was going one step at a time :p |
| 16:54.56 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:54.59 | kergoth | for now, no do_stage at all |
| 16:55.04 | kergoth | add functions as you get to that point |
| 16:55.11 | gb2 | kergoth: also, it'd be worth sitting down and defining a formal syntax before implementing |
| 16:55.17 | treke | yeah that worked. Had just copied over an example one |
| 16:55.36 | kergoth | gb2: agreed. create some sample .oe's using differing syntaxes and review what seems best as well |
| 16:55.40 | kergoth | bleh |
| 16:57.11 | gb2 | uhoh |
| 16:57.17 | gb2 | today is my mom's birthday |
| 16:57.54 | aman | hm, shit. this hurricane is getting closer. looks scary outside |
| 16:58.06 | kergoth | gb2: heh, better go call her |
| 16:58.15 | kergoth | aman: heh, where you at? |
| 16:58.17 | W8TVI | gb2: tell her we say happy birthday |
| 16:58.24 | aman | near DC |
| 16:58.41 | gb2 | kergoth: i just set an at job to remind me this evening |
| 16:59.04 | aman | didn't use opie todo!? |
| 16:59.31 | gb2 | the at job will send a page to my cellphone |
| 17:04.25 | treke | ~lart libmad |
| 17:04.53 | treke | wait no, that's supposed to happen |
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| 17:10.38 | proti | Is the oz dev stopped in favor of openembedded ? |
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| 17:12.04 | treke | They are the same thing |
| 17:14.03 | proti | treke: Really ? I didn't get it by reading the Wiki. My mistake. |
| 17:14.54 | proti | Maybe you could answer my question : Is there a recent kernel (2.4.x, x> 18) which is usable with oz ? |
| 17:15.09 | treke | no |
| 17:15.14 | mickeyl | proti: read http://opie.net.wox.org |
| 17:16.44 | proti | Yes, I read. I thought about compiling the 2.4.18 from the 3.10 rom and use it with oz. |
| 17:16.52 | mickeyl | for collie? |
| 17:16.57 | treke | ok. how the hell is this working. |
| 17:17.04 | treke | I dont even have a toolchain installed |
| 17:17.45 | proti | mickeyl: Yes, I was able to rebuild the same kernel (which is working for the initrd from SHARP). |
| 17:18.04 | mickeyl | proti: sounds good. pay attention to the jffs2, i think this stopped our people from convincing 2.4.18 to work with oz/collie. |
| 17:18.20 | proti | mickeyl: unfortunately, the SHARP rom is CRAMFS and the OZ is JFFS2. |
| 17:18.38 | mickeyl | yeah, i know. that's why it may be hard to get it working |
| 17:18.39 | mickeyl | so |
| 17:18.45 | mickeyl | better spend the time finishing 2.4.21-cl |
| 17:18.47 | mickeyl | :D |
| 17:19.20 | proti | mickeyl: I added the jffs2 support, then I was unable to mount the OZ root filesystem (the partitioning is different). |
| 17:19.44 | proti | mickeyl: but my kernel booted (with a kernel panic at the end, ok). |
| 17:20.12 | mickeyl | proti: tried overwriting the mtd table on the command line with the one we use for OZ? |
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| 17:21.35 | proti | mickeyl: no I am a beginner regarding mtd. What I did is taking the kernel I built and tested on my zaurus, then flashed it on a friends'collie which was using oz. |
| 17:21.37 | absentia | re |
| 17:21.55 | mickeyl | proti: well... if it was that easy we would have shipped it already ;) |
| 17:22.23 | proti | mickeyl: note, it never found the root partition. |
| 17:22.35 | proti | s/note/nope |
| 17:23.05 | proti | How the mtd is working ? |
| 17:23.16 | mickeyl | proti: explaining that goes way too far here. check /proc/mtd on a kernel 2.4.6 OZ and use that information to override mtd partitioning for your 2.4.18 |
| 17:23.42 | mickeyl | proti: take a look at our kernel command line for shepherd or husky as an example |
| 17:24.34 | proti | mickeyl: is there a good explanation about the different parititons what they are for, on the web ? |
| 17:24.42 | mickeyl | probably not |
| 17:24.55 | mickeyl | not necessary though |
| 17:25.03 | mickeyl | they're pretty self-telling |
| 17:25.09 | proti | who knows that ? |
| 17:25.43 | proti | Hugh ? when i'm seeing "Angel's Stuff" "Angel monitor" I'm puzzled. |
| 17:26.12 | mickeyl | proti: just ignore that and assume that it needs to be there. |
| 17:26.25 | mickeyl | proti: on the other hand you can google and find out that it is the bootloader for collie |
| 17:26.34 | mickeyl | proti: but really... the information is not needed. |
| 17:27.24 | proti | mickeyl: ok, ok I surrender :) |
| 17:28.10 | mickeyl | why? |
| 17:28.33 | mickeyl | what in |
| 17:28.38 | mickeyl | proti: explaining that goes way too far here. check /proc/mtd on a kernel 2.4.6 OZ and use that information to override mtd partitioning for your 2.4.18 |
| 17:28.42 | mickeyl | proti: take a look at our kernel command line for shepherd or husky as an example |
| 17:28.47 | mickeyl | sounds scary? |
| 17:29.13 | proti | No, I surrender to get to know the angel's stuff :). |
| 17:29.18 | mickeyl | aah |
| 17:29.26 | mickeyl | i, too, btw. |
| 17:29.37 | mickeyl | if kernel is white magic, then bootloader is black magic |
| 17:29.41 | mickeyl | :D |
| 17:30.14 | proti | I will concentrate about the partition. |
| 17:30.17 | proti | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.32 | treke | try sacrificing a goat |
| 17:30.41 | mickeyl | treke: none handy |
| 17:30.58 | mickeyl | proti: sure. console=tty0 will give you console messages |
| 17:31.15 | mickeyl | proti: also important: SHARPSL_PARAMS is not set |
| 17:31.17 | mickeyl | (or so) |
| 17:31.30 | mickeyl | because that would override your command line with the info the bootloader gives the kernel |
| 17:31.41 | mickeyl | after disabling that evil option, the kernel does what you says him |
| 17:31.42 | mickeyl | finally |
| 17:31.55 | proti | mickeyl: have to put it in the cmdline. |
| 17:32.01 | mickeyl | no |
| 17:32.07 | mickeyl | SHARP_SL_PARAMS is a kernel option |
| 17:32.11 | mickeyl | in 2.4.18-embedix-bla |
| 17:32.22 | proti | I will try at home (time for leaving). |
| 17:32.37 | mickeyl | good luck |
| 17:32.45 | proti | mickeyl: thanks. |
| 17:38.57 | pb_ | afternoon |
| 17:39.17 | mickeyl | hi pb_ |
| 17:40.19 | treke | hey pb |
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| 17:41.26 | treke | uh oh. the government is out to get ass |
| 18:09.59 | aman | wb |
| 18:14.48 | treke | today is going really really slowly |
| 18:14.57 | gb2 | kergoth: we should have {BUILD,HOST,TARGET}_{ARCH,OS,SYS} and default to host=target rather than the current world of just BUILD_SYS vs. SYS |
| 18:15.20 | kergoth | yep. thats necessary to make our cross- builds clean |
| 18:15.21 | gb2 | makes things a lot easier to think out |
| 18:15.25 | gb2 | yeah. |
| 18:15.32 | gb2 | my current cross setup does this |
| 18:16.21 | kergoth | heh, added a quick path convenience function in oe |
| 18:16.38 | gb2 | what's it do? |
| 18:16.58 | kergoth | SRC_URI_append = file://${@oe.which('FILESPATH', 'compile.patch')} |
| 18:17.04 | kergoth | quick solution |
| 18:17.18 | aman | i can never figure out the difference between build host and target |
| 18:17.33 | gb2 | ah |
| 18:17.44 | kergoth | aman: consdier host the architecture of the produced binaries |
| 18:17.51 | kergoth | aman: target the arch the binaries are _for_ |
| 18:17.56 | kergoth | usually host is target. |
| 18:18.01 | kergoth | but not in the cross tool case |
| 18:18.08 | kergoth | like crosscompilers, ksymoops, ... |
| 18:18.20 | aman | ah |
| 18:18.20 | aman | ok |
| 18:18.59 | gb2 | build is what you're currently building on, host is what the tool will run on, target is what the tool will target. |
| 18:19.06 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:19.21 | gb2 | target is usually only relevant to build tools |
| 18:20.09 | gb2 | and a lot of people get confused with host. |
| 18:22.20 | koyote | I think I am the victim of hype |
| 18:22.34 | mickeyl | which hype? there are lots of 'em |
| 18:22.36 | koyote | this stupid hurricane. |
| 18:22.41 | koyote | it's drizzling |
| 18:22.51 | koyote | oh, no, send all non essential personnel home! |
| 18:23.38 | kergoth | why the hell do the handlers set so many default variables. those should be set in oe.conf and base.oeclass |
| 18:25.23 | aman | koyote heh, its getting pretty bad here |
| 18:25.24 | kergoth | course back then there was no base.oeclass, since there was no inheritence yet |
| 18:25.30 | kergoth | but still |
| 18:25.40 | koyote | well, in Resotn, VA, it's... raining a bit. |
| 18:26.11 | aman | its supposed to get worse in a couple hours |
| 18:26.37 | aman | thats what Doug Hill said anyway =P |
| 18:29.56 | koyote | I'm sure it will |
| 18:30.07 | koyote | but we've had worse this summer- lots worse |
| 18:30.13 | koyote | and no one said a word |
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| 18:45.05 | pb_ | hi aman, TheMasterMind1, TMM1 |
| 18:45.14 | TheMasterMind1 | pb_: =) |
| 18:45.17 | TheMasterMind1 | xchat went crazy |
| 18:45.27 | pb_ | heh |
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| 18:50.38 | kergoth | i should move CONFIG_SITE into autotools.oeclass, since its autoconf specific |
| 19:04.44 | gb2 | hostap is the most reliable, highest performance prism2/2.5/3 driver i've found. |
| 19:04.51 | gb2 | it works great for me |
| 19:05.08 | absentia | fyi -- http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1272065,00.asp |
| 19:05.15 | W8TVI | it keeps having trouble... |
| 19:05.22 | W8TVI | using it with kismet |
| 19:05.22 | gb2 | with what? |
| 19:05.33 | W8TVI | keeps crashing |
| 19:05.46 | W8TVI | it doesnt like changing channels alot |
| 19:06.08 | gb2 | what version are you using? |
| 19:06.13 | W8TVI | dragorn seems to thing its the hostap drivers at fault... |
| 19:06.18 | W8TVI | 3.0.1 |
| 19:06.38 | W8TVI | but it does it with 2.8.1 from the stable feed and from the kismet website |
| 19:06.50 | gb2 | those aren't hostap driver versions |
| 19:07.07 | W8TVI | though you were asking about the kismet version |
| 19:07.21 | W8TVI | how do I tell what version of hostap that I'm using? |
| 19:08.14 | gb2 | it'll print it in dmesg |
| 19:08.33 | W8TVI | I'm using the modules from the stable feed... |
| 19:08.35 | W8TVI | hold on |
| 19:08.52 | W8TVI | 2002-09-12-7 |
| 19:08.57 | gb2 | heh |
| 19:09.02 | gb2 | that's like, before time. |
| 19:09.04 | gb2 | ;) |
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| 19:09.14 | gb2 | nowonder it's crashing |
| 19:09.45 | W8TVI | hmm |
| 19:10.10 | W8TVI | hostap_cs.c 0.0.0 2002-09-12 |
| 19:10.28 | gb2 | i'd recommend 0.0.4 or the current cvs. |
| 19:10.48 | gb2 | 2002-09-12 was before a big code reorganization |
| 19:10.51 | gb2 | cleanups |
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| 19:10.55 | gb2 | stability improvements |
| 19:11.08 | W8TVI | got a link to wher to get it for OZ? |
| 19:11.27 | gb2 | nope. |
| 19:11.30 | W8TVI | for some one with out a compiler for the oz |
| 19:11.43 | W8TVI | hmm... |
| 19:12.12 | gb2 | i never really liked kismet for doing scanning either. |
| 19:12.19 | W8TVI | what do you use? |
| 19:12.24 | gb2 | it never worked right and tended to do stuff inefficiently. |
| 19:12.26 | W8TVI | on the z |
| 19:12.27 | gb2 | a tool i wrote myself |
| 19:12.36 | W8TVI | I like 3.0.1 |
| 19:12.43 | gb2 | which currently doesn't work because i stopped maintaining it a while ago |
| 19:12.43 | collord | gb2: and might you release it? |
| 19:12.47 | W8TVI | works fine for me anyway |
| 19:13.03 | gb2 | i'm eventually going to put a UI on it and release it |
| 19:14.56 | W8TVI | hmm |
| 19:14.57 | W8TVI | hostap-modules_0.0.3-1_collie.ipk |
| 19:14.59 | W8TVI | in testing |
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| 19:15.17 | gb2 | that should be good |
| 19:18.34 | absentia | get down tonight? |
| 19:18.46 | pyromance | Indeed. Just wrapped up work on my "friday" |
| 19:19.22 | gb2 | you bastard |
| 19:19.23 | gb2 | :P |
| 19:19.33 | pyromance | Heh. Trust me.. you don't want my job. |
| 19:19.56 | pyromance | First of all ... 12:30 to 10:30 AM, Mon-Thu. |
| 19:20.18 | pyromance | Second: Get to deal with the lowest common denominator of Internet-kind |
| 19:31.13 | kergoth | gb2: renamed the noncross class to 'native', and added a 'cross' class that leaves target alone, but sets host to build |
| 19:31.19 | kergoth | should be cleaner that way |
| 19:32.33 | kergoth | also, i think i'll make the 'native' aka 'buildtool' class change 'prefix' to ${STAGING_DIR}, bindir to ${STAGING_BINDIR} and libdir to ${STAGING_BINDIR}/../lib |
| 19:32.36 | Twiun | pyromance: been there, got out - time for a move? |
| 19:32.39 | kergoth | that way its configured to run from where we're putting it |
| 19:33.29 | kergoth | course that implies that build tool do_stage should not use DESTDIR, while other do_stage's normally would |
| 19:33.56 | gb2 | kergoth: heh. that's roughly what i have here in my testing world |
| 19:34.07 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:34.42 | pb_ | game over for CIA again, huh. |
| 19:35.15 | gb2 | kergoth: you should do the {BUILD,HOST,TARGET}_* cleanup |
| 19:35.27 | kergoth | gb2: done. did that before adjusting hte oeclasses |
| 19:35.28 | gb2 | and make those classes set them appropriately |
| 19:35.32 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:35.33 | gb2 | good good |
| 19:35.51 | kergoth | "native" sets TARGET_ARCH and TARGET_OS appropriately, and changes the flag vars to use the build versions |
| 19:36.16 | kergoth | "cross" leaves target alone, sets the host vars to build, and also chagnes the flag vars |
| 19:37.04 | kergoth | why the hell am i still on the familiar list |
| 19:37.11 | kergoth | i have enough end user support without watching other peoples |
| 19:37.15 | treke|home | good question |
| 19:40.33 | kergoth | crap |
| 19:40.36 | kergoth | is bkbits down? |
| 19:41.39 | gb2 | seems like it |
| 19:42.04 | gb2 | kergoth: what flag vars? |
| 19:43.01 | kergoth | CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS, CPPFLAGS, LDFLAGS |
| 19:43.07 | gb2 | ah |
| 19:43.10 | kergoth | you dont want staging in the include path for native compiles |
| 19:43.15 | gb2 | native stuff doesn't get CROSS too |
| 19:43.25 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:43.43 | kergoth | i changed CROSS to obey HOST_ARCH-HOST_OS, which makes more sense, since that directly affects the output binaries |
| 19:44.20 | pb_ | heh, time to upgrade. |
| 19:44.27 | kergoth | pb_: work lappy, cant |
| 19:44.32 | kergoth | ah well. |
| 19:44.34 | pb_ | ah |
| 19:44.40 | Twiun | kergoth: usermode linux? |
| 19:44.47 | pb_ | you could always work inside a chroot. |
| 19:45.38 | treke|home | debian chroot inside rh7.3 :p |
| 19:46.10 | kergoth | should add debootstrap to OE and have it build me an rpm |
| 19:46.26 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:47.08 | kergoth | gb2, treke|home: we need to define a sane structure for our packages repos. one big-ass content dir isnt very clean :) |
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| 19:50.40 | kergoth | treke|home: so like content/${PN}/${PN}-${PV}.oe? |
| 19:50.46 | kergoth | hey prpplague |
| 19:50.52 | treke|home | yeah |
| 19:50.56 | prpplague | kergoth: hey |
| 19:51.15 | prpplague | kergoth: playing with some fb stuff ergo the x stops/starts |
| 19:51.28 | kergoth | shit, i need a metadata item with the full path to the OE that we're in, if we are in one |
| 19:51.46 | kergoth | since the FILESDIR is relative to the dir that hte .oe in question resides in |
| 19:51.55 | kergoth | prpplague: ah |
| 19:52.02 | treke|home | kergoth: I cant think of any other organization that makes sense |
| 19:52.07 | treke|home | kergoth: categories never seem to work |
| 19:52.22 | kergoth | well, we have a big reason to not use categories |
| 19:52.36 | kergoth | most target packaging systems dont behave like portage |
| 19:52.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:52.50 | treke|home | ? |
| 19:53.11 | kergoth | portage doesnt mind duplicate package names in the db, since the category is a critical component of data |
| 19:53.22 | kergoth | i.e. this/pn is completely different than that/pn |
| 19:53.23 | treke|home | what do the target systems have to do without the layout of the oe repository? |
| 19:53.32 | kergoth | i'm referring to the use of CATEGORY as a whole |
| 19:53.39 | kergoth | not just having the filesystem _reflect_ CATEGORY |
| 19:53.55 | treke|home | ah. I just meant in teh file system |
| 19:54.00 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 19:54.36 | treke|home | computers dont mind having things organized wierdly :p |
| 19:54.36 | kergoth | i could see maybe content/buildtools, content/packages |
| 19:54.55 | kergoth | to keep the things that inherit native & cross seperate from normal builds |
| 19:55.18 | treke|home | I could also possibly see content/packages/qte |
| 19:55.25 | treke|home | but I wouldnt want to get much more specific |
| 19:55.54 | kergoth | or maybe content/packages/gui vs content/packages/console. shoudl we try to follow the OZ buidlroot menuconfig structure? |
| 19:56.08 | kergoth | since the OE menuconfig will populate the interface based on filesystem most likely |
| 19:56.21 | treke|home | I dont like the buildroot menu structure :) |
| 19:56.28 | kergoth | hehe. you can get lost in there |
| 19:56.34 | treke|home | though gui/console isnt bad |
| 19:56.38 | kergoth | too many levels deep |
| 19:56.59 | kergoth | could seperate it the way i do my code |
| 19:57.03 | kergoth | boot vs user vs kernel |
| 19:57.14 | kergoth | for bootloaders vs userspace code vs kernels & modules |
| 19:57.43 | kergoth | since we'll definately be adding builds of blob & u-boot & possibly others |
| 19:57.49 | treke|home | kergoth: the thing I dont like about gui vs console is it gets unintuitive which packages that can do both |
| 19:58.02 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:58.43 | treke|home | say SDL, SDL is a gui library, but it can also be used on a plain framebufer, or aalib. And is it a qte based library or an X libraray |
| 19:59.05 | kergoth | it'll be interesting when qte splits into core container stuff vs event handling vs gui |
| 19:59.10 | kergoth | s/when/if and when/ |
| 20:00.21 | treke|home | not to mention opie |
| 20:00.27 | treke|home | which is both a qte app and an X app |
| 20:00.38 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:01.07 | cyn_ | http://bash.org/?32775 |
| 20:01.34 | treke|home | if we're going to do subdivision, I'd vote we only do it on things where confusion can't occur |
| 20:01.39 | treke|home | like kernel space vs user space |
| 20:01.43 | kergoth | cyn_: hah |
| 20:01.48 | kergoth | treke|home: agreed |
| 20:01.53 | cyn_ | I like the attack on repubs |
| 20:02.24 | cyn_ | opie's an X app? |
| 20:02.28 | treke|home | cyn_: yes |
| 20:02.41 | treke|home | kergoth: now we could allow multiple categories per oe |
| 20:03.02 | cyn_ | treke|home: oh using a virtual framebuffer or somethin |
| 20:03.08 | treke|home | cyn_: no |
| 20:03.17 | kergoth | cyn_: opie can be built against qt/x11 |
| 20:03.23 | cyn_ | oh i gotcha |
| 20:05.15 | kergoth | gb2: god is this "dealing with the fact that PN is different in the buildarch builds" a pain in the ass. |
| 20:05.52 | kergoth | gb2: i.e., the S var. you want WORKDIR to be the new workdir for the -buildarch PN, but you want the ${P} part of workdir to reflect the _old_ information |
| 20:06.20 | gb2 | yep |
| 20:06.22 | gb2 | that pissed me off |
| 20:07.00 | treke|home | "maybe anybody know a way how to sync GNU/Emacs diary,to-do, addresses |
| 20:07.00 | treke|home | with iPAQ?. |
| 20:07.22 | kergoth | gb2: we need something like DEPENDS += ipkg-utils (native=true) |
| 20:07.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:09.32 | kergoth | basically, that () block would set variables that flow down into the build of that package |
| 20:09.44 | kergoth | like, it pushes them up into the config metadata only for the build of a specific package |
| 20:09.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:09.49 | kergoth | or something |
| 20:10.45 | gb2 | heh |
| 20:11.27 | kergoth | course oemake would have to realize that that metadata alteration is for a new, independent build of that package |
| 20:11.37 | kergoth | i.e. native=true results in a new build with a new WORKDIR |
| 20:11.43 | kergoth | heh |
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| 20:19.35 | W8TVI | why do I need to install kernel-image_2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-5a_collie.ipk to install the hostap 0.0.3 modules from testing? |
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| 20:22.39 | lsmith | goody .. my zaurus is repaired and ready to be picked up |
| 20:23.28 | W8TVI | kergoth: will installing kernel-image_2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-5a_collie.ipk break anything? |
| 20:24.01 | kergoth | no |
| 20:24.04 | W8TVI | ok |
| 20:24.16 | W8TVI | just wanted to ask before I did it and made it any worse |
| 20:24.25 | W8TVI | :) |
| 20:24.31 | cmartin | hi |
| 20:25.05 | cmartin | while building glib i get the following error: |
| 20:25.07 | cmartin | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 20:25.07 | cmartin | distcc[6426] ERROR: compile on localhost failed with exit code 1 |
| 20:25.11 | kergoth | thats not an error. |
| 20:25.15 | kergoth | look above that |
| 20:25.16 | W8TVI | I hope using hostap 0.0.3 fixes my problem |
| 20:25.23 | cmartin | k |
| 20:25.25 | kergoth | why do people always thinkt he generic "error" line is useful |
| 20:25.30 | kergoth | i've never understood it |
| 20:25.42 | kergoth | its just as bad as saying "this thing is broken" |
| 20:25.59 | cmartin | ./.libs/libglib.so ./.libs/libgthread.so |
| 20:25.59 | cmartin | testgthread.o(.text+0x35b4): In function `new_thread': |
| 20:25.59 | cmartin | : undefined reference to `pthread_create' |
| 20:25.59 | cmartin | testgthread.o(.text+0x393c): In function `test_private': |
| 20:25.59 | cmartin | : undefined reference to `pthread_join' |
| 20:26.02 | cmartin | ./.libs/libgthread.so: undefined reference to `pthread_getspecific' |
| 20:26.04 | cmartin | ./.libs/libgthread.so: undefined reference to `pthread_key_create' |
| 20:26.06 | cmartin | ./.libs/libgthread.so: undefined reference to `pthread_setspecific' |
| 20:26.08 | gb2 | "Error: Ha, ha!" |
| 20:26.08 | cmartin | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 20:26.10 | cmartin | distcc[6426] ERROR: compile on localhost failed with exit code 1 |
| 20:26.10 | kergoth | cmartin: pthread didnt get linked in |
| 20:26.22 | W8TVI | error code 1, isnt that like the lowest error level you get when everything worked ok? |
| 20:26.22 | kergoth | cmartin: chances are the ./configure didnt pick it up |
| 20:26.48 | cmartin | k, i'll check that |
| 20:27.06 | kergoth | check config.log |
| 20:27.09 | kergoth | for the pthread test |
| 20:27.13 | kergoth | see what error it saw in that test |
| 20:27.19 | kergoth | s/it saw/occurred/ |
| 20:30.42 | W8TVI | what is the kernel image used for? |
| 20:30.49 | W8TVI | why does it need it? |
| 20:31.30 | kergoth | it was intended to allow kernel upgrades via ipkg |
| 20:31.31 | kergoth | but it doesnt work |
| 20:31.37 | W8TVI | er... why does the hostap 0.0.3 need it |
| 20:31.47 | W8TVI | that what I should have asked... |
| 20:31.54 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:31.57 | kergoth | this istn that complex |
| 20:32.03 | kergoth | assertion 1) kernel in ipkg |
| 20:32.14 | kergoth | 2) with ekrnel in ipkg, we can now prevent wrong module versions from being installed |
| 20:32.25 | kergoth | how do you accomplish 2? by making modules depend on the right version of the kernel |
| 20:32.33 | W8TVI | ok... |
| 20:33.14 | gb2 | kergoth: has anybody tried to write a smarter bootloader than the sharp one? |
| 20:34.25 | W8TVI | but if kernel upgrades via ipkg dont work, how does taking up 800k of storage help other than to make the wrong modules not install? |
| 20:34.45 | W8TVI | can you make something that doesn't take up as much room? |
| 20:34.47 | kergoth | gb2: just a matter of porting a bootloader that doesnt suck to the Z. like LAB, u-boot, or blob |
| 20:34.49 | cmartin | kergoth: ok, this shows up everywhere where pthread is tested: |
| 20:34.51 | kergoth | gb2: afaik no one has |
| 20:34.54 | cmartin | configure: failed program was: |
| 20:34.54 | cmartin | #line 4766 "configure" |
| 20:34.54 | cmartin | #include "confdefs.h" |
| 20:34.55 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.57 | cmartin | char pthread_attr_init(); |
| 20:34.59 | kergoth | gb2: its been on my todo for some time now |
| 20:35.04 | kergoth | cmartin: whats the _failure_? |
| 20:35.07 | kergoth | failed program |
| 20:35.11 | kergoth | but what error when it failed? |
| 20:35.29 | cmartin | oh something was cut out of that - minute |
| 20:36.04 | cmartin | configure: failed program was: |
| 20:36.04 | cmartin | #line 4766 "configure" |
| 20:36.04 | cmartin | #include "confdefs.h" |
| 20:36.04 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.04 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.05 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.07 | cmartin | char pthread_attr_init(); |
| 20:36.21 | cmartin | i removed the comments |
| 20:36.31 | cmartin | since there are interpreted by irc |
| 20:36.41 | W8TVI | is there any reason why I shouldn't remove 3c574, 3c589, and 8390 modules? |
| 20:37.07 | kergoth | eh? |
| 20:37.13 | kergoth | you're still pasting the c code that filed |
| 20:37.14 | kergoth | failed |
| 20:37.24 | kergoth | not hte error that resulted hwen it tried to compile it |
| 20:38.15 | cmartin | but look - Override any gcc2 internal.... - my toolchain is uclibc 3.2.2 |
| 20:38.20 | W8TVI | I want to remove some drivers that I dont use to save some space. |
| 20:39.37 | kergoth | cmartin: the fact that it works around a gcc2 bug doesnt imply that its the reason for this failure |
| 20:39.41 | kergoth | that syour assumption |
| 20:41.26 | cmartin | well, since there is no other error messages, what should i assume other than that? |
| 20:43.20 | kergoth | you havent given me any error messages at all |
| 20:43.36 | kergoth | or if you have, they're so far out of context to be unidentfiable as such |
| 20:45.15 | kergoth | cmartin: just email me the config.log. |
| 20:45.30 | W8TVI | I can see the isabell from here |
| 20:48.16 | cmartin | kergoth: under way |
| 20:49.08 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.11 | kergoth | +: conftest: hidden symbol `__udivsi3' in |
| 20:49.12 | kergoth | _that_ is the error |
| 20:49.15 | kergoth | +/usr/local/arm/3.3.1uc2/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.3.1/libgcc.a(_udivsi3.oS) is |
| 20:49.18 | kergoth | +referenced by DSO |
| 20:49.20 | kergoth | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 20:49.24 | kergoth | and i beleive mickeyl has already discussed it with andersee |
| 20:49.28 | kergoth | dont know what the result was |
| 20:50.24 | cmartin | k, thanx anyway - i'll ask mickeyl when he's back |
| 20:55.28 | gb2 | kergoth: oenote foo.. from within my scripts. |
| 20:55.33 | gb2 | isn't that supposed to produce output? |
| 20:56.38 | kergoth | yes, but that output will be stolen by our stdout redirect into the log |
| 20:56.44 | kergoth | should be in the log though |
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| 20:57.42 | kergoth | hmm, i'm not walking hte miles to best buy to get a button battery for my car remote in this downpour |
| 20:57.55 | kergoth | oh well, i didnt really have anywhere i needed to go anyway |
| 20:58.24 | kergoth | gb2: ugh, forgot to catch all the .oe's still using ARCH and SYS |
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| 21:07.01 | aman | koyote its getting pretty bad now |
| 21:08.12 | gb2 | kergoth: where are you? |
| 21:08.26 | aman | it rains in texas? |
| 21:08.28 | treke | If you say at work, I will hit you |
| 21:08.42 | gb2 | i was expecting "work" actually :P |
| 21:08.51 | kergoth | heh, yeah, work |
| 21:08.55 | treke | ~kill kergoth |
| 21:08.57 | | ACTION executes killall -9 kergoth |
| 21:09.04 | kergoth | didnt get into work till 10 this morning |
| 21:09.17 | treke | kergoth: heavy traffic, eh? |
| 21:09.17 | treke | :p |
| 21:09.25 | kergoth | ibot: no, kill $nick is <action> slits $nick's throat |
| 21:09.26 | | okay, kergoth |
| 21:09.29 | kergoth | ibot: kill treke |
| 21:09.30 | | ACTION slits treke's throat |
| 21:09.57 | ljp | kergoth: just chant, 'great-gooli-moogli' on the way home. At least it wont seem to bad |
| 21:11.05 | aman | traffic? |
| 21:13.04 | aman | ibot kill kljsadkfjd |
| 21:13.05 | | ACTION slits kljsadkfjd's throat |
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| 21:29.07 | treke | hmmm. |
| 21:30.49 | treke | fuck. how did libc6 2.3.1 get on this machine |
| 21:31.07 | pb_ | I put it there. |
| 21:32.04 | treke | oh crap. i pulled perl from testing. dammit |
| 21:33.18 | pb_ | why didn't you want libc6 2.3.1? |
| 21:33.50 | ljp | he doesnt like the number |
| 21:34.04 | treke | pb_: Want to stick as close to stable as possible |
| 21:34.24 | pb_ | ah |
| 21:35.24 | ljp | I liked my theory better |
| 21:37.10 | treke | pb_: In theory I just downgraded things back safely :p |
| 21:37.17 | pb_ | hehe |
| 21:37.21 | treke | I'm scared to reboot though |
| 21:37.59 | ljp | rebooting is such a windows thing to do |
| 21:38.00 | aman | heh |
| 21:38.37 | treke | hehe. safer to rebot now when I know what is being done than find out things are borked when I restart in december :p |
| 21:38.45 | aman | yea.. there should be a way to reload the kernel without rebooting |
| 21:38.54 | treke | aman: the kernel doesnt worry me |
| 21:39.07 | treke | the kernel hasnt changed :p |
| 21:39.15 | aman | i just updated mine |
| 21:39.24 | pb_ | aman: in theory you could teach the software suspend code to do that. |
| 21:39.32 | aman | that'd be kinda cool |
| 21:39.40 | pb_ | suspend to disk, boot new kernel from inside linux, resume from disk and off you go. |
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| 21:42.36 | Pendalar | kergoth do you know if warmi (and whoever dev's Windows PDA apps) uses linux to compile them? I'm wondering about PPC toolchain for a guy who has a shell on my box |
| 21:43.43 | treke | pb_: Noticed it when I was getting bus errors installing bk |
| 21:43.53 | treke | was going to start doing snapshots of buildroot, and oe |
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| 21:58.00 | treke | ibot buildroot-snapshots |
| 21:58.00 | | treke: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 21:58.05 | treke | ibot buildroot snapshots |
| 21:58.06 | | bugger all, i dunno, treke |
| 21:58.08 | treke | ibot buildroot snapshot |
| 21:58.09 | | treke: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 21:58.12 | treke | ibot buildroot |
| 21:58.12 | | somebody said buildroot was a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ or a heavily modified version used by the OpenZaurus project, or see oz buildroot |
| 21:58.35 | *** topic/#openembedded by treke -> OpenEmbedded/OpenZaurus developer lounge | User support in #openzaurus, #openembedded-ipaq, and (if applicable) #opie | OE now supplies configure test results, please take a look and start migrating OZ packages over. | Snapshots available at http://treke.net/~bk/ |
| 22:00.05 | kergoth | treke: had scanline make the snapshot dirs and files gropu writable on sf |
| 22:00.15 | kergoth | so can feel free to throw them up there |
| 22:00.27 | treke | ok. I'm making them every four hours |
| 22:00.36 | kergoth | cool |
| 22:00.51 | kergoth | i take it, it bk pulls the original trees before exporting? :) |
| 22:01.03 | pyromance | Hmm ... The codiene is making me nap, but not taking all the pain away. Grr. |
| 22:01.25 | treke | kergoth: yeah. bk pull, bk export, tar cjf :p |
| 22:01.40 | kergoth | cool |
| 22:01.49 | treke | kergoth: doing buildroot and oe snapshots |
| 22:02.11 | kergoth | excellent. will be much easier to get other people to look at oe |
| 22:02.31 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 22:02.37 | treke | there ftp access into the server or just ssh? |
| 22:02.42 | pyromance | I just woke from a nap. Is it time for me to flash my ROM again? |
| 22:02.58 | ljp | yes |
| 22:03.18 | kergoth | treke: not sure about ftp, but there's certainly http |
| 22:03.27 | kergoth | openzaurus.org/snapshots or whatever |
| 22:03.32 | kergoth | oh, for uploading them |
| 22:03.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:06.01 | treke | kergoth: hehe. |
| 22:08.05 | aman | for 5500 |
| 22:08.10 | aman | get it from opie.net.wox.org |
| 22:08.30 | aman | get it from opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/oz-snapshot-030909-1225/ |
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| 22:09.48 | pyromance | mkay ... Is the Socket driver patched for .. um |
| 22:09.56 | pyromance | Damn ... I need coffee... what am I thinking of? |
| 22:09.57 | aman | that one has socket support |
| 22:10.04 | aman | plus kismet support |
| 22:10.10 | pyromance | Bingo . |
| 22:10.14 | aman | the latest buildroot doesn't support socket |
| 22:10.34 | pyromance | Sorry ... Prolapsted cranium. |
| 22:10.48 | Pendalar | this address the keyboard and TS issues? |
| 22:11.42 | kergoth | keyboard and ts issues? that isnt a 2.4.21 image |
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| 22:12.53 | Pendalar | that was the last I've tested *shrug* |
| 22:13.02 | Pendalar | I've been away for a bit remember ;-) |
| 22:14.42 | pyromance | Oh well ... only live once. |
| 22:15.40 | treke | kergoth: did scanline stop his cronjob, or is it still going? |
| 22:17.54 | pyromance | Behold the mighty pingizauru |
| 22:23.30 | absentia | what command would I use under sharp rom to formad an SD card fat16 (??) so I could do the D+M nand backup... or will it write to ext2? |
| 22:23.32 | pyromance | Bouncing busy icon! |
| 22:23.43 | ljp | kergoth: do you know if the c7xxx kernel has a patch from Intel that 'enabled buffered writes to framebuffer memory in the kernel.' ? |
| 22:23.45 | pyromance | mkdosfs? |
| 22:24.02 | gb2 | absentia: DM backup requires CF, not SD |
| 22:24.02 | gb2 | iirc |
| 22:24.18 | pb_ | ljp: probably wouldn't help with c7xx, since framebuffer isn't in system ram. |
| 22:24.18 | absentia | the only thing of value on my 700 are my bones files for nethack |
| 22:24.33 | treke | kergoth: ok. It's on oz.org |
| 22:25.40 | ljp | hmm.. |
| 22:26.22 | pb_ | well, depends how smart the ati chip is, I guess. it might be possible to buffer writes to it. |
| 22:26.47 | ljp | pb_ you know of the patch I am talking about? |
| 22:26.52 | pb_ | yeah |
| 22:27.44 | pb_ | it's in the handhelds.org kernel. I remember that together with some new blit code we saw something like 600% speedup in graphics operations on h3900. |
| 22:27.47 | ljp | cause I have seen docs where it doubled the speed of graphics operations |
| 22:27.57 | pb_ | right |
| 22:28.28 | pb_ | should probably do that for strongarm as well. |
| 22:28.40 | absentia | gb2: really? |
| 22:28.42 | absentia | shit. |
| 22:28.48 | treke | pb_: nice |
| 22:28.49 | absentia | I only have 128mb cfs... not 256 |
| 22:28.51 | absentia | :-< |
| 22:29.13 | pb_ | treke: heh, just a shame none of the new ipaqs use onboard graphics any more. |
| 22:29.41 | treke | pb_: no? |
| 22:29.48 | pb_ | no, it's mediaq city nowadays. |
| 22:29.53 | ljp | I suppose that patch is in one large lump of handhelds patch |
| 22:30.00 | treke | pb_: ah |
| 22:30.03 | absentia | could someone give me the 1 paragraph or less difference between the sharp backup and the nand backup? ie: if I get one of those images from the net for sharp rom for 760 and then restore from the normal "backup" ... is that good enough? what does the nand backup backup and what does the software icon "backup" backup ? |
| 22:30.07 | pb_ | ljp: yeah, but it was only about a two line change. |
| 22:30.30 | treke | pb_: the mediaq doing you guys any good or is it just prettending to be a fb? |
| 22:30.50 | pb_ | treke: at the moment, just an fb. I have documentation for the accel side of things, but haven't had time to write a driver yet. |
| 22:31.21 | pb_ | ljp: cvs -d :ext:handhelds.org:/cvs diff -up -r1.27 -r1.28 linux/kernel/drivers/video/fbmem.c |
| 22:31.23 | pb_ | or something like that |
| 22:31.37 | treke | ~lart sharp and ati |
| 22:31.38 | pb_ | (I lied, it was four lines.) |
| 22:32.04 | ljp | oh, well four lines I can;t use. but if it was two.. ;) |
| 22:33.01 | aman | who wants to set a cvsdate on mplayer to a copule months ago and build me some ipks =) |
| 22:33.08 | treke | aman: why? |
| 22:33.28 | pyromance | Wow... this initrd.bin is FULL ain't it? |
| 22:33.29 | treke | ljp: good thing c isnt white space sensitive |
| 22:33.32 | treke | JJ |
| 22:33.51 | aman | treke: cuz op2 sucks and dont work |
| 22:34.02 | treke | op2 rocks |
| 22:34.04 | pyromance | . /dev/mtdblock4 14464 13888 576 96% / |
| 22:34.13 | pb_ | treke: turns out three of the four lines are actually preprocessor directives, so JJ is no option here. |
| 22:34.16 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:34.16 | treke | why bother setting cvsdate back a few months |
| 22:34.24 | treke | damn |
| 22:35.05 | aman | treke: the latest cvs doesn't build |
| 22:35.17 | aman | treke: i'll give a newer op2 a shot |
| 22:36.16 | treke | dunno/ I built it over the weekend |
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| 22:37.15 | aman | treke: built op2 or mplayer? |
| 22:37.21 | treke | mplayer |
| 22:37.41 | aman | oooh |
| 22:37.43 | pyromance | Opera loads much faster in this snapshot. |
| 22:37.45 | aman | can you put the ipk somewhere? |
| 22:37.50 | aman | you built it for the zaurus? |
| 22:38.18 | absentia | py? |
| 22:38.55 | pyromance | que? |
| 22:39.08 | absentia | what snapshot? |
| 22:39.35 | pyromance | opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/oz-snapshot-030909-1225/ |
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| 22:39.51 | absentia | ah |
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| 22:42.18 | pyromance | kismet_qt still doesn't init kismet_hopper automatically on Orinoco cards .. Oh well |
| 22:47.57 | fdask | im trying to use the oebuild script, and i keep getting a python error: |
| 22:47.58 | fdask | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 22:47.58 | fdask | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.58 | fdask | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.58 | fdask | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.58 | fdask | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.59 | fdask | NameError: name 'False' is not defined |
| 22:48.15 | fdask | am i missing something in my python install? |
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| 22:50.01 | aman | hey mickeyl |
| 22:50.07 | mickeyl | *yawn* |
| 22:50.09 | pyromance | Heya Mickey |
| 22:50.20 | mickeyl | must go to bed, but wanted to comment on fdask before falling totally sleep ;) |
| 22:50.24 | aman | this 030909 snapshot looks pretty good |
| 22:50.36 | aman | if only ipkg would cooperate and update everything i installed to my SD with the feed |
| 22:50.40 | mickeyl | fdask: your python is too old. Booleans True and False were introduced in Python 2.2 |
| 22:50.41 | pyromance | aman: I agree ... Time to re-customize everything tho |
| 22:50.49 | mickeyl | aman: thanks for confirming. |
| 22:51.02 | fdask | python 2.2, cool. didn't see that mentioned in the docs. |
| 22:51.05 | mickeyl | this snapshot is as good as it gets until we are on 2.4.21. I won't build newer ones |
| 22:51.12 | mickeyl | fdask: feel free to add ;) |
| 22:51.17 | fdask | :) |
| 22:51.28 | mickeyl | fdask: minimum will be 2.3 soon |
| 22:51.52 | mickeyl | all the specialities for that darn old kernel are pretty annoying and involve manual work |
| 22:52.01 | mickeyl | so enjoy the snap and help us getting .21 :D |
| 22:52.06 | mickeyl | good night all |
| 22:52.39 | ljp | pb_: is that the only patch for buffered fb? |
| 22:53.06 | pb_ | ljp: the original intel patch had some other stuff in pxafb.c itself to handle the text console case, but I left that out. |
| 22:53.16 | pb_ | oh, might need a change in pgtable.h as well. let me look that up. |
| 22:53.46 | fdask | python 2.2 isn't available for debian stable? |
| 22:53.56 | pb_ | ljp: yeah, linux/kernel/include/asm-arm/proc-armv/pgtable.h, revision 1.9 -> 1.10 |
| 22:54.08 | pb_ | just one line that time |
| 22:55.51 | treke | fdask: yes it is |
| 22:56.21 | fdask | hrmm |
| 22:56.42 | ljp | ahh. thats it |
| 22:58.12 | pb_ | jolly good |
| 23:00.02 | aman | hmm |
| 23:00.06 | aman | everything is symlinked to quicklauncher |
| 23:00.32 | treke | correct |
| 23:00.47 | aman | thats interesting |
| 23:01.14 | aman | treke: so that mplayer you built.. was it an ipk in the buildroot? |
| 23:01.23 | treke | yes |
| 23:02.02 | aman | could you upload it somewhere? |
| 23:02.19 | treke | when it gets uploaded I'll say so |
| 23:02.54 | aman | ok, thanks |
| 23:02.58 | ljp | aman: quicklauncher apps are libs |
| 23:04.44 | Pendalar | kergoth: would anyone care about a Enlightenment port to the zaurus under x setups? |
| 23:05.23 | treke | enlightenment wont work particularly well |
| 23:05.50 | treke | mandrake had a hacked up version of it running on the ipaq |
| 23:05.52 | Pendalar | with some tweaking of course |
| 23:07.00 | treke | it looked a lot like matchbox :p |
| 23:07.09 | Pendalar | lol |
| 23:07.54 | Pendalar | a guy on efnet I talk to was thinking about working on an E port.. calling it EZE or some other ghetto ref |
| 23:09.25 | fdask | haha easy e |
| 23:09.35 | Pendalar | what in particular? the need for icons and such that 'e generally is against? |
| 23:10.34 | treke | the overlapping windows and workspaces |
| 23:10.55 | Pendalar | workspaces could be pretty much the same thing as a tab setup.. |
| 23:11.09 | Pendalar | at least as far as the desktop itself |
| 23:11.24 | Pendalar | and I'm sure overlapping windows could be cut out |
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| 23:11.34 | treke | Pendalar: So why use E at all then? |
| 23:11.56 | treke | There are lighter window managers you can base it on if your removing overlapping windows |
| 23:12.13 | Pendalar | don't ask me, I use flux.. I'm asking for this guy on ef |
| 23:12.18 | Pendalar | he's sort of religious about e |
| 23:12.28 | treke | The only redeeming quality I can think of is that you can pull a workspace have way down the screen |
| 23:13.08 | treke | cant say fluxbox would be much of an improvement :p |
| 23:13.12 | Pendalar | I'm not familiar with an ion for zaurus? |
| 23:13.23 | Pendalar | heh I wouldn't like flux for my zaurus, I agree with that |
| 23:13.25 | treke | ion is ion |
| 23:13.38 | Pendalar | I'll have to look that up and check some screenies |
| 23:13.43 | treke | you just compile it for whatever os you want |
| 23:14.11 | treke | http://treke.net/images/pq2.png |
| 23:14.16 | treke | that's running on my ipaq |
| 23:14.25 | fdask | is there anything like the make menuconfig option from buildroot, currently existing in OE? |
| 23:14.33 | treke | fdask: no |
| 23:14.36 | pyromance | DUDE! |
| 23:14.39 | pyromance | Police quest! |
| 23:14.44 | Pendalar | that's not very... pretty |
| 23:14.45 | Pendalar | heh |
| 23:14.47 | treke | http://treke.net/images/screenshot.jpg |
| 23:14.50 | treke | that is on my desktop |
| 23:14.55 | treke | Pendalar: so use a different theme |
| 23:15.23 | Pendalar | I meant the general setup |
| 23:15.32 | treke | the general set up? |
| 23:15.43 | treke | the general setup is a title bar and a full screen window |
| 23:16.15 | pyromance | treke: You're too busy |
| 23:16.18 | Pendalar | heh |
| 23:16.27 | treke | pyromance: too busy? |
| 23:16.35 | pyromance | Your desktop shot |
| 23:16.44 | absentia | my desktop has 1 80x24 window open... using the biggest font that will allow me to get a full 80x24 on the screen |
| 23:16.59 | pyromance | This is on my desktop now: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/boomboomvolleyball.html |
| 23:17.12 | treke | pyromance: not much in that shot. |
| 23:17.18 | treke | I wouldnt call mail and irc busy :p |
| 23:17.36 | treke | mail, irc, and mp3s |
| 23:17.38 | pyromance | Your to-do is huge |
| 23:18.05 | treke | ah. That's the list for the department |
| 23:18.20 | absentia | flash |
| 23:18.21 | pyromance | Oh crap |
| 23:18.22 | absentia | can't display it |
| 23:18.35 | pyromance | I have to write a "customer contact ettiquette" primer for my sysadmins |
| 23:18.43 | pyromance | Before tomorrow. And it's now my weekend. :( |
| 23:18.46 | absentia | ha |
| 23:18.54 | W8TVI | :( |
| 23:19.01 | pyromance | They're great systems administrators, but like good SA's they have no people skills. |
| 23:19.21 | W8TVI | what is "people skills"? |
| 23:20.33 | pyromance | You know ... social graces |
| 23:20.36 | pyromance | For example |
| 23:20.45 | pyromance | It's never OK to say to a customer "No... you're lying" |
| 23:20.53 | absentia | I'm just tirted of people inthe office where I work saying " |
| 23:21.04 | absentia | "can I ax you something?" |
| 23:21.05 | treke | "go away I'm working on it" |
| 23:22.00 | pyromance | Well |
| 23:22.12 | pyromance | Our customers are porn site operators. They're a rough crowd. |
| 23:22.13 | absentia | I hear the pc people guessing all day |
| 23:22.15 | absentia | lying to people |
| 23:22.16 | absentia | making excuses |
| 23:22.18 | absentia | blamin other people |
| 23:22.21 | absentia | etc. |
| 23:22.22 | absentia | makes me sick |
| 23:22.28 | absentia | py: hahah |
| 23:23.03 | aman | ugh |
| 23:23.06 | aman | ipkg makes me sick |
| 23:23.16 | absentia | ditto |
| 23:23.29 | absentia | I think the ipkg stuff works about 10% of the time |
| 23:23.30 | absentia | for me. |
| 23:23.32 | pyromance | Drinking windex makes me sick |
| 23:23.36 | treke | absentia: really? |
| 23:23.41 | treke | absentia: that's not half bad |
| 23:24.07 | absentia | treke: yup. I'm sure it's my fault -- but it's not clear WHAT I should be doing... to make things work. I'm sure it's clear... to those who are experienced with it... but to me, it's a mystery. |
| 23:24.12 | absentia | treke: ah! ok... you too. |
| 23:24.18 | treke | no. ipkg sucks. |
| 23:24.20 | absentia | I'm always told to ipkg update |
| 23:24.25 | absentia | or -force-depends |
| 23:24.32 | absentia | or use ipkg 67 on that on, but not 99 |
| 23:24.41 | absentia | or mamnually untar it, and then unstall it manually. |
| 23:26.46 | aman | heh |
| 23:27.35 | treke | We would welcome a new decent package manager |
| 23:27.44 | treke | Until then, ipkg is the best we have |
| 23:28.08 | pyromance | for crap in `find / -name *.ipk` ; do ; rm $crap ; done |
| 23:28.09 | pyromance | heh |
| 23:28.13 | absentia | my 700 is almost useless |
| 23:28.16 | treke | that was really really nasty |
| 23:28.19 | absentia | I've been playing nethack on it |
| 23:28.29 | absentia | but I wanted to do a nand backup of my 760 before I whacked it |
| 23:28.34 | absentia | but now I hear I can't use sd |
| 23:28.38 | treke | dont bother |
| 23:28.41 | treke | you can download them |
| 23:28.44 | absentia | yup |
| 23:28.48 | absentia | I asked that here about 1 hour ago |
| 23:28.50 | absentia | no one answered |
| 23:28.51 | absentia | but I assumed |
| 23:29.29 | treke | you need a 256MB cf card to use them |
| 23:29.31 | absentia | I wanted someone to give me a 1 paragraph diff between the nand backup and the software "backup" .. .I asked: if I just do the software backup, can I just flash back to japanese and apply that backup and get fresh system, etc. |
| 23:29.40 | absentia | ya, I have 2 128s |
| 23:29.55 | absentia | next question |
| 23:29.55 | absentia | if I do the normal backup |
| 23:29.55 | *** join/#openembedded Com[Plex] (256k@65.217.160.224) |
| 23:29.59 | absentia | will taht fit on a 128? |
| 23:30.18 | treke | a normal backup wont restore the OS |
| 23:30.27 | absentia | right |
| 23:30.41 | absentia | but I just want to make sure I can get my 760 back to the default blank dynamism english |
| 23:30.43 | absentia | that's all I care |
| 23:30.49 | absentia | then I'll start flashing oz... |
| 23:31.03 | treke | dont know |
| 23:31.13 | pyromance | Hehe. Give me your 760. I'll give you my SL-5500 AND 64 SD AND 340 Microdrive ;) |
| 23:31.15 | treke | does dynamism offer their rom up for download? |
| 23:31.24 | absentia | I thought so... |
| 23:31.29 | absentia | see |
| 23:31.30 | ljp | you can get one from another site |
| 23:31.31 | kergoth | dynamism puts their conversion stuff on the second partition, afaik. |
| 23:31.33 | treke | damn. The ux50 is fricken small |
| 23:31.34 | kergoth | thats how they did c700 |
| 23:31.43 | absentia | I don't understand that a nand backup is... a rom.. an image... a "backup" and a kernel |
| 23:31.44 | kergoth | so flashing wont fuck with it |
| 23:31.51 | absentia | someone needs to make a page to make this stuff clear for people |
| 23:32.10 | pyromance | ASL! Wana caht? u got pix? |
| 23:32.11 | absentia | ya, i've seen several .bck? files... |
| 23:32.41 | absentia | the opera on 760 seems newer than than 700 |
| 23:32.48 | Com[Plex] | hey guys. anyone know where the best place to buy a new z is presently? loking for a 5500 I think |
| 23:32.48 | absentia | so, like, I want to be able to run that one under oz. |
| 23:32.58 | absentia | ebay |
| 23:33.02 | Com[Plex] | no to ebay |
| 23:33.04 | treke | other than the keyboard, I really cant see anything useful sharp rom does :p |
| 23:33.23 | treke | and even that isnt too bad |
| 23:33.46 | absentia | what browser do you use under oz ? |
| 23:33.50 | treke | konq |
| 23:34.05 | absentia | someone here earlier said that opera loaded much faster under some snapshot of oz... that was intersting, but I didn't get more info. |
| 23:34.07 | ljp | IE |
| 23:34.14 | absentia | under oz ?! ie? |
| 23:34.18 | ljp | :) |
| 23:34.21 | absentia | I want to get dillo going. |
| 23:34.23 | ljp | via vnc |
| 23:34.30 | absentia | no |
| 23:34.33 | absentia | native to the 760 |
| 23:34.42 | ljp | vnc is native :) |
| 23:34.48 | absentia | treke: ok, so, lets say I have a 760... ready to put oz on it... |
| 23:34.57 | ljp | opera is the best browser |
| 23:35.09 | treke | mozilla-qt! |
| 23:35.11 | absentia | I need a Zimage.bin and an updater.sh and a kernel? where do I get all three of these that are compatible with 760? |
| 23:36.09 | pyromance | absentia: Give me your 760 ;) |
| 23:36.39 | pyromance | I'll give you a perfectly function 5500! ;) |
| 23:37.08 | absentia | ljp: how do I get the latest opera embedded onto oz ? |
| 23:37.14 | pyromance | OK I need caffeine and food. I'm way too loopy. BRB |
| 23:39.04 | ljp | perhaps you can download the applications package from the tkc rom at zaurus.com |
| 23:39.25 | gb2 | NOTE: package oe-1.0_20030918-r0: task do_package_rpm started |
| 23:39.25 | gb2 | !!! Stating source file failed... movefile() |
| 23:39.25 | gb2 | !!! [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/gbritton/devel/OE/oe/tmp/base/oe-1.0_20030918-r0/rpm/RPMS/${ARCH}/oe-1.0_20030918-r0.${ARCH}.rpm' |
| 23:39.25 | gb2 | NOTE: package oe-1.0_20030918-r0: task do_package_rpm succeeded |
| 23:39.37 | kergoth | gb2: guess i missed a spot :) |
| 23:40.00 | gb2 | oe.oe should presumably inherit native |
| 23:40.15 | gb2 | and package_rpm needs fixing |
| 23:40.23 | Com[Plex] | anyone.. - have you seen any recently posted links to a place I can buy a z? I need a new one. hehe |
| 23:40.23 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:40.27 | Com[Plex] | sup kergoth. long time |
| 23:40.28 | kergoth | course oe.oe is arch independent |
| 23:40.30 | ljp | http://community.zaurus.com/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5 |
| 23:40.40 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yeah, how ya been? |
| 23:40.56 | treke | Com[Plex]: welcome back |
| 23:41.04 | Com[Plex] | eh. been hung over today :) but IM back to work, so I had to get over it fast :> |
| 23:41.15 | treke | congrats |
| 23:41.17 | Com[Plex] | ty |
| 23:41.31 | treke | that's for the new job, not the hang voer |
| 23:41.45 | Com[Plex] | I got a really stubborn SD card. allways crapping out at the worst tuime. constantly giving me input output errors. |
| 23:42.05 | Com[Plex] | yeah, its the same Job, I teach alternative ed high schoolers. so summers off and stuff. |
| 23:42.16 | absentia | treke? |
| 23:42.24 | treke | absentia: ? |
| 23:42.42 | absentia | do you run the latest oz or know where to get the zimage and stuff for it? |
| 23:42.50 | Com[Plex] | just had a kid today talking about programming in basic, so I started writing out old programs I wrote when I was in elementary school on a commodore pet up on the chalkboard. hehe. <programs were short back then> |
| 23:42.51 | treke | wait |
| 23:43.00 | treke | it isnt done uploading yet |
| 23:43.16 | Com[Plex] | then I realised I could just fire up bas on the z and use that. but alas, I couldnt get it working. |
| 23:43.20 | absentia | k |
| 23:43.44 | absentia | treke: are you uploading your copy? or is there some official unofficial (secret) feed? |
| 23:43.56 | Com[Plex] | we still looking at oz 3.2? or has anything changed? |
| 23:45.53 | treke | http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/experimental/husky/ |
| 23:46.27 | absentia | I see zimage |
| 23:46.32 | absentia | don't I nee updater.sh or something? |
| 23:46.37 | treke | updater.sh is there |
| 23:46.41 | treke | initrd is uploading |
| 23:46.47 | absentia | k |
| 23:48.47 | absentia | ok, I seem to have two backups of c700 ... so I'll make one of 760 now and then nuke it |
| 23:51.40 | absentia | is there a feed for software for this thing? |
| 23:51.48 | absentia | that dir has ipkgs |
| 23:51.54 | absentia | I assume those are the best ones to use? |
| 23:51.57 | treke | yes |
| 23:52.18 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 23:52.35 | absentia | does the cf have to be ext2 or fat16 or does it matter? |
| 23:53.01 | absentia | my backup only took 17mb |
| 23:54.01 | absentia | what is initrd? |
| 23:54.48 | absentia | I thought the oz image thing to flash was like 32mb or something... there's only a 1mb file there? |
| 23:55.18 | treke | the image is 16 megs or so |
| 23:55.30 | absentia | ok |
| 23:58.41 | absentia | what is pre-quicklaunch ? |
| 23:58.55 | absentia | an older version ? |
| 23:59.32 | treke | yes |
