| 00:23.00 | treke|home | hmmm. netbase finally went away |
| 00:23.10 | treke|home | that's what we get for debpending on *potato source :p |
| 00:26.30 | BBBMatthew | this gnu stuff for building portable libs reallly is bad |
| 00:26.35 | BBBMatthew | its hell to debug |
| 00:27.34 | BBBMatthew | maybe I should just downgrade my libtool |
| 00:27.46 | BBBMatthew | what version are you using trekke? |
| 00:28.17 | treke|home | netbase? Oe is looking for 3.18 |
| 00:29.17 | BBBMatthew | no for libtool please |
| 00:29.38 | treke|home | whatever version is in buildroot |
| 00:29.59 | BBBMatthew | I am trying to find out how it compiles for kergoth with no problems but not me |
| 00:30.02 | BBBMatthew | :) |
| 00:31.16 | BBBMatthew | nope libtool isn't in the toolchain |
| 00:31.21 | BBBMatthew | we are using the system one |
| 00:31.29 | treke|home | no we arent |
| 00:32.02 | BBBMatthew | hmm this could be a problem |
| 00:32.11 | BBBMatthew | where would it be? /usr/local/arm? |
| 00:32.22 | treke|home | output/staging |
| 00:33.26 | BBBMatthew | hmm let me try something stupid |
| 00:43.31 | BBBMatthew | where in buildroot is the packgage to be compiled located? |
| 00:44.03 | treke|home | build |
| 00:44.11 | BBBMatthew | NNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 00:44.36 | BBBMatthew | guess who has been modifying source |
| 00:44.46 | treke|home | who? |
| 00:44.48 | BBBMatthew | (new MOTD perhaps) |
| 00:46.58 | BBBMatthew | thats 2 days work wasted :) oh well we live and learn |
| 00:47.23 | treke|home | ? |
| 00:47.52 | treke|home | you were modifying build/foo and not expecting it to get wiped out? :p |
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| 00:48.24 | treke|home | could be worse, I spent a couple hours packaging something up and had set SOURCETREE to point to packages/packagename |
| 00:48.31 | BBBMatthew | just to check how the buildroot works after it has downloaded a pkg and the compile fails |
| 00:48.32 | treke|home | guess what happened when I did make clean |
| 00:48.39 | treke|home | :) |
| 00:48.40 | BBBMatthew | noooooooooo |
| 00:49.16 | treke|home | needless to say I have not made that mistake again |
| 00:49.26 | BBBMatthew | the working package will now be in build/foo and it won't be updated from source |
| 00:50.03 | treke|home | if you want to update the source you make clean and build it again |
| 00:50.25 | BBBMatthew | I am having xine go down during compile |
| 00:51.05 | BBBMatthew | and I recon I was poking code in source/foo and its bulid was happening in builld/foo so my changes were not going anywhere |
| 00:51.27 | treke|home | you have to create a patch and apply it to the build |
| 00:52.29 | BBBMatthew | FOUND IT!!!! |
| 00:52.52 | treke|home | ? |
| 00:53.22 | BBBMatthew | where the bogus header is coming from |
| 00:53.33 | treke|home | where? |
| 00:54.59 | BBBMatthew | its being imported by a stupid build system on my gentoo system |
| 00:55.31 | BBBMatthew | I have been tracing a CFLAG -I/usr/include that shouldn't be there at all and fails compile as it has x86 asm in it |
| 00:57.26 | BBBMatthew | for some reason the AALIBs cflags are being included and they should be blank |
| 00:58.24 | BBBMatthew | I recon a dodgy line in the configure script it doing it |
| 00:58.40 | BBBMatthew | I don't recon you have aalib installed in most machines |
| 00:58.46 | kergoth | ehh, i patched libxine to _disable_ aalib |
| 00:58.51 | kergoth | added a new config opt for it |
| 00:58.57 | kergoth | are you sure your buildroot is up to date? |
| 00:59.05 | BBBMatthew | well its in the Makefile for video_out |
| 00:59.13 | BBBMatthew | did a pull tonight |
| 00:59.13 | kergoth | you're not listening. |
| 00:59.26 | kergoth | I patched configure to have an option to enable/disable the use of aalib. |
| 01:00.48 | BBBMatthew | ok I shall try a make SUBDIRS=build/xine-lib clean and try again |
| 01:01.19 | kergoth | thats pointless. just check the configure.{ac,in} patch i did and the like to see if something is wrong with it. |
| 01:01.28 | BBBMatthew | ok |
| 01:04.27 | BBBMatthew | well the param --disable_aalib is passed |
| 01:11.49 | BBBMatthew | there that is the problem, the AALIB CFLAGS |
| 01:12.00 | BBBMatthew | now I shall trace why they are set at all |
| 01:13.06 | chouimat | night |
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| 01:18.45 | BBBMatthew | mutter I am not good enough for this I don't think |
| 01:22.20 | BBBMatthew | well the fix I made while a little inelegant worked and xine compiled |
| 01:22.53 | BBBMatthew | do you think I should figure out where the aalib disablement fails or just supply a patch |
| 01:38.11 | ljp | kergoth: ping |
| 01:40.05 | kergoth | ljp: pong |
| 01:41.25 | kergoth | treke|home: what package provides /etc/services in debian unstable? |
| 01:41.51 | treke|home | netbase |
| 01:42.10 | treke|home | the one that doesnt build in current buildroot :p |
| 01:42.15 | kergoth | k, just confirming |
| 01:42.16 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:42.17 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:42.26 | treke|home | we were using the release from potato |
| 01:43.12 | ljp | do you know about the '5500 emulation mode' on the sharp rom for c700. like how it works, or how you could get an app from not using it? |
| 01:43.35 | treke|home | ljp: edit the .desktop file and add a modes line to it |
| 01:43.45 | treke|home | ljp: look at the built in apps for an exampe |
| 01:44.02 | ljp | hmm, ok. I will have to look at the sharp rom |
| 01:45.19 | ljp | I might have to actually flash this c700 with it, to document things a bit. |
| 01:46.36 | BBBMatthew | kergoth: : poodle build proceeding nicely now :) are any of the 3.x range of toolchains useable for apps / kernel? |
| 01:48.03 | treke|home | <treke|home> the one that doesnt build in current buildroot :p |
| 01:51.18 | kergoth | BBBMatthew: you talk about "apps / kernel" like they're the same. |
| 01:51.31 | BBBMatthew | I use the / as or *g* |
| 01:52.36 | BBBMatthew | I was asking 2 questions I just phrased it badly |
| 01:52.48 | kergoth | most of the kernels built by buildroot dont build with gcc3.x |
| 01:53.01 | kergoth | apps its your choice, but remember that with 3.x you lose c++ bc |
| 01:53.17 | BBBMatthew | good point |
| 01:53.38 | BBBMatthew | you gain the oprimisations for the xscale though are they worth anything ? |
| 01:53.45 | kergoth | yes. |
| 01:53.47 | kergoth | its noticable |
| 01:54.03 | BBBMatthew | thsx |
| 01:55.01 | BBBMatthew | well I shall finish the buildroot with 2.95.3 and then try to make a working flash image and then try to rebuild the apps with gcc3.x have you a recommeded one? or jsut the latest |
| 01:55.13 | kergoth | use the 3.3.1 chain on openzaurus.org |
| 01:55.21 | BBBMatthew | cheers |
| 01:55.49 | BBBMatthew | I should document this you want me to write a new slightly expaneded FAQ article? |
| 01:56.11 | kergoth | if you think itd be beneficial, feel free |
| 01:56.55 | gb2 | you shouldn't lose c++ |
| 01:57.07 | BBBMatthew | ? |
| 01:57.07 | gb2 | unless the app was relying on broken g++ |
| 01:59.08 | gb2 | or rather, the broken STL in libstdc++ |
| 01:59.12 | kergoth | eh? |
| 01:59.16 | kergoth | i said you lose c++ BC |
| 01:59.19 | kergoth | binary compatibility |
| 01:59.23 | kergoth | due to the ABI change |
| 01:59.43 | gb2 | oh |
| 01:59.58 | gb2 | i see what you mean |
| 02:00.14 | gb2 | that can be solved by building compat libs |
| 02:00.17 | gb2 | but that takes up space |
| 02:00.20 | BBBMatthew | kergoth: have found the problem with the xine lib but I don't know enough to solve it, but I used a good temporary fix to solve it |
| 02:03.08 | gb2 | wonder if creating rules for generating a compat libstdc++ would be useful |
| 02:10.38 | BBBMatthew | kergoth: any objection (if I get it working) to publishing a zImage initrd.bin and feed for the SL5600? |
| 02:11.33 | kergoth | as long as its clear that it isnt official |
| 02:11.41 | BBBMatthew | ok |
| 02:11.44 | kergoth | I dont want support questions on things i dont control |
| 02:11.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:11.59 | BBBMatthew | good point |
| 02:12.45 | BBBMatthew | is your intention eventually to provide images and feeds for all the platforms in buildroot? |
| 02:14.53 | kergoth | the state of the various machines varies |
| 02:14.54 | kergoth | but yes |
| 02:15.09 | kergoth | the next release shoudl include images for everything thats declared sane enough for inclusion in the release |
| 02:15.12 | kergoth | brb |
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| 02:36.15 | BBBMatthew | the joy of being able to finally sync my zaurus with evolution |
| 02:37.15 | BBBMatthew | it works -ish, but there are alternatives, like qtdesktop of course |
| 02:38.23 | BBBMatthew | well I am hoping things work ok. Multisync claims to be able to sync opie with evolution |
| 02:39.28 | treke|home | multisync can't sync with nonlocal evolution folders |
| 02:40.09 | BBBMatthew | well it is a local install thank goodness and shows a real weakness in the evolution api - why should anyone know they are not local |
| 02:41.23 | treke|home | kergoth: whee. sourceforge took down mailing list archives again |
| 02:41.30 | BBBMatthew | I think its thick that the API can't hide the fact a folder is non local |
| 02:41.44 | BBBMatthew | that is really crap programming |
| 02:42.16 | treke|home | The palm conduit can sync with remote folder, so I think it's probably a multisync bug |
| 02:42.27 | BBBMatthew | fair enuff |
| 02:42.42 | BBBMatthew | curious that it doersn't have a non specific api |
| 02:43.09 | treke|home | It may have one that multisync doesnt use properly |
| 03:06.31 | Soopaman | ibot simpad |
| 03:06.31 | | Soopaman: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 03:06.37 | Soopaman | ibot opensimpad |
| 03:06.37 | | Soopaman: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 03:11.11 | Soopaman | who was the person who created the opensimpad image? |
| 03:32.58 | ljp | mmm espresso |
| 03:33.07 | kergoth | mmm scotch |
| 03:33.25 | ljp | dangit, I am going to have to patch and recompile my mtd modules |
| 03:34.00 | ljp | hmm, or mayb eI can specify the mem size when I load it. |
| 03:34.54 | W8TVI | whatever it is |
| 03:36.28 | fdask | what kinda scotch kergoth |
| 03:40.26 | ljp | scotch with alcohol in it |
| 03:40.46 | kergoth | fdask: at the moment, balvenie. |
| 03:41.45 | fdask | ah. just poured myself a neat Glenmorangie 10yr. :9 |
| 03:42.17 | treke|home | hmmm. that reminds me |
| 03:43.30 | treke|home | or at least part of one |
| 03:45.55 | ljp | modprobe mtdram total_size=32768 erase_size=256 saves the day! |
| 03:45.59 | treke|home | yummmm |
| 04:04.19 | kergoth | heh, i like this movie |
| 04:04.27 | treke|home | which movie? |
| 04:04.39 | kergoth | Equilibrium |
| 04:04.49 | treke|home | not seen it |
| 04:04.50 | kergoth | ibot: spell equilibrium |
| 04:04.50 | | 'equilibrium' may be spelled correctly |
| 04:04.55 | kergoth | ibot: thanks |
| 04:04.55 | | de nada, kergoth |
| 04:05.07 | kergoth | ack, i hate that. |
| 04:05.16 | treke|home | had half a glass left |
| 04:05.43 | kergoth | equilibrium is a low budget movie, but has some of the most amazing gun fight scenes i'd ever seen |
| 04:05.54 | kergoth | brb |
| 04:08.25 | treke|home | or maybe 7 samurai |
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| 06:57.46 | ljp | wonderful, they want more documents.. |
| 07:05.29 | effy-kun | who? |
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| 08:23.08 | schurig | Hi ! |
| 08:23.14 | schurig | Is Toby Gray here in the IRC ? |
| 08:23.29 | treke|home | dunno |
| 08:24.35 | treke|home | if he is, he hasnt spoken up |
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| 08:28.34 | treke|home | mornin mickeyl |
| 08:29.36 | mickeyl | g'morning treke |
| 08:29.38 | mickeyl | treke: quite a discussion on oz-users :D |
| 08:30.14 | treke|home | yes |
| 08:30.43 | schurig | mickeyl: :-) |
| 08:31.07 | schurig | mickeyl: so, had a good weekend? |
| 08:32.40 | mickeyl | schurig: pretty hard... got only 5+3 hours sleep but it was fun :) |
| 08:33.27 | mickeyl | schurig: i think i'm getting too old for stuff like that - but then again it is only twice a year so i have enough time to recover in between ;) |
| 08:36.46 | schurig | mickeyl: where have you been? Fachschaftsfete? |
| 08:37.23 | mickeyl | schurig: Konfirmandenfreizeit |
| 08:38.11 | mickeyl | schurig: one weekend with 25 13-14 year olds trying to teach them something about church, belief, love and unity |
| 08:38.58 | schurig | ouch, that's hard. |
| 08:39.35 | treke|home | I didnt know you could teach 13-14 year olds nything |
| 08:40.18 | mickeyl | well... |
| 08:41.02 | mickeyl | it is a complicated age period. |
| 08:41.05 | mickeyl | for their and for us :) |
| 08:41.05 | treke|home | you never said you succeeded :p |
| 08:41.19 | mickeyl | haha |
| 08:42.30 | mickeyl | frankly, when you compare them how they act on thursday when it starts and leaving singing and having fun on sunday one might try to believe that something of our sermon did come through ;) |
| 08:44.52 | schurig | treke|home: Teenies are not pe-se bad, sometimes it's even fun relating with them |
| 08:49.27 | mickeyl | schurig: how's your wife, btw.? |
| 08:49.31 | mickeyl | and natalie? |
| 08:50.11 | schurig | mickeyl: Ok and fine (in this order). She has still some problems on her "Narbe". And maybe a little bit too less sleep. |
| 08:51.21 | schurig | A neighbor of us got a boy just three days after our girl. This boy has all the things that Natalie doesn't. He has to be carried 3 hours a night to get asleep, he cries very often, he's not so got at digestion ... so we're really glad :-) |
| 08:51.47 | schurig | Natalie very seldom cries, and if, her mothers breast is all she needs. |
| 08:53.44 | mickeyl | great. |
| 08:54.09 | mickeyl | now if we (we as in mankind) would find out how what causes this differences... |
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| 09:28.14 | Twiun | g'morning |
| 09:31.37 | mickeyl | morning Twiun |
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| 09:32.55 | heatxsink | ibot seen TCMAN |
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| 11:08.04 | cmartin | hi |
| 11:10.17 | cmartin | anybody know if the current cvs of opie BRANCH is usable now or do i have to still use the tree from 28. of Aug.? |
| 11:20.14 | schurig | cmartin: maybe someone in #opie knows this ... |
| 11:20.56 | cmartin | schurig: i'll ask there, thanx |
| 11:27.16 | cmartin | schurig: i think everybody's sleeping or out to lunch ;) |
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| 11:46.09 | mickeyl | hi cmartin |
| 11:47.13 | mickeyl | cmartin: i still can't get a usable build out of BRANCH_1_0. Harlekin (who did the new launcher integration) will be back in a few days from vacation. He is supposed to get it back to a usable state |
| 11:49.40 | cmartin | mickeyl: hi |
| 11:50.04 | cmartin | mickeyl: so the tree from 27 Aug. doesn't include the quick launcher? |
| 11:51.05 | mickeyl | cmartin: yes. 27 August is basically Opie 1.0.1 release (which didn't get released, but that's another story) |
| 11:51.38 | mickeyl | Harlekin obviously didn't test the quicklauncher on arm |
| 11:51.47 | mickeyl | on the desktop it works fine |
| 11:52.06 | schurig | we shouldn't have wrecked OPIE_BRANCH with new stuff, we should have merged BRANCH -> HEAD, then done the new stuff in HEAD. And then maybe backport good stuff to BRANCH to get 1.0.1 out |
| 11:52.16 | mickeyl | amen to that |
| 11:52.30 | mickeyl | that were my words... |
| 11:52.33 | mickeyl | but you know Harlekin |
| 11:52.33 | mickeyl | :D |
| 11:53.12 | schurig | and now we have BRANCH and HEAD that are moving away from each other every day (if I got that right) |
| 11:55.15 | cmartin | mickeyl: well, on my simpad i have alot of links to the quicklauncher, but when starting these apps opie says application not found |
| 11:55.22 | cmartin | is this what you get too |
| 11:55.24 | cmartin | ? |
| 11:55.33 | mickeyl | http://openzaurus.bkbits.net:8080/buildroot/anno/packages/kernel-shyes. this is it. |
| 11:55.36 | mickeyl | ups |
| 11:55.39 | mickeyl | cut'n'paste error |
| 11:55.47 | mickeyl | yes, this is the problem. |
| 11:56.18 | mickeyl | the plugin loader doesn't find the right interface |
| 11:56.32 | mickeyl | and then it fails out with "can't create main window" |
| 11:56.33 | cmartin | so is quicklauncher something like busybox for opie? |
| 11:56.43 | mickeyl | cmartin: uhm... not really. |
| 11:56.58 | mickeyl | cmartin: the applications are now shared libraries |
| 11:57.07 | mickeyl | cmartin: and they are contained in plugins/application/ |
| 11:57.15 | cmartin | but everything is started via quicklauncher instead of dierectly, right? |
| 11:57.35 | mickeyl | cmartin: yup. quicklauncher just loads the library based on the name you call it. |
| 11:57.42 | cmartin | k |
| 11:58.06 | mickeyl | cmartin: which saves us the delay to resolve all symbols, initialize fonts etc. etc. |
| 11:58.37 | mickeyl | cmartin: that said, it is a minimal issue to resolve for the folks who did the integration... |
| 11:59.15 | cmartin | mickeyl: another topic - your vc implementation has a small drawback... |
| 11:59.47 | cmartin | mickeyl: i always have a blinking cursor at the bottom left of my opie FB |
| 12:02.47 | mickeyl | cmartin: i don't see that while running opie. after terminating I can see it, but not while in opie. |
| 12:03.31 | cmartin | i have it within opie - the cursor is blinking on top of the "O" button - strange |
| 12:03.59 | mickeyl | will look at that as soon as BRANCH is workable. |
| 12:04.11 | mickeyl | shutting down the cursor blink is just one echo |
| 12:04.24 | mickeyl | see banner-simpad |
| 12:04.30 | mickeyl | in oz-base |
| 12:05.24 | mickeyl | ibot: seen andersee |
| 12:05.24 | | andersee <~andersee@codepoet.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 9h 31m 17s ago, saying: 'I've been plenty busy myself...'. |
| 12:05.40 | cmartin | mickeyl: and the on-screen keyboard now spans across the whole screen again - is this on purpose? |
| 12:06.19 | mickeyl | cmartin: grrr - no. that change may have been overridden by Harlekin, too :( |
| 12:06.45 | cmartin | what's this guy doing? |
| 12:07.01 | mickeyl | trying to improve Opie... but too hasty. |
| 12:07.28 | cmartin | this is very annoying though |
| 12:09.20 | mickeyl | yes. however thanks to cvs, it is not like we can't do working builds |
| 12:10.24 | cmartin | yes, that's a relief, but it does us no good, if we really want 1.0.2 in the next Simpad image. |
| 12:10.49 | mickeyl | well - 1.0.2 is basically the new launcher only :D |
| 12:11.01 | mickeyl | and he is the one who brings us the new launcher ;) |
| 12:11.43 | cmartin | would it be enough just to install the new launcher later as a package, or will this not be enough? |
| 12:12.44 | mickeyl | no. it is a new build scheme, because the applications are compiled to be shared objects in the new scheme |
| 12:13.43 | cmartin | so, if we release a new image with 1.0.1 the user would have to upgrade opie to 1.0.2 altogether? |
| 12:14.24 | mickeyl | yes |
| 12:14.57 | cmartin | but will there be seperate packages of the apps with and without quicklauncher support? |
| 12:15.33 | mickeyl | no. we probably no longer will build non-quicklaunch apps |
| 12:15.36 | cmartin | my question is - what if a user installs an image with 1.0.1 and installs e.g. embeddedkonsole later from the 1.0.2 feed? |
| 12:15.45 | mickeyl | that won't work. |
| 12:15.52 | mickeyl | the other way round it does |
| 12:17.04 | cmartin | so if we release an 1.0.1 image in opensimpad 0.8.1 we would have to release a new opensimpad version 0.8.2 with opie 1.0.2 |
| 12:17.12 | mickeyl | yes |
| 12:17.17 | mickeyl | well |
| 12:17.21 | mickeyl | not neccessarily |
| 12:17.28 | mickeyl | we could just do an opie 1.0.2 feed |
| 12:17.46 | mickeyl | and upgrade would be like ipkg update && ipkg upgrade |
| 12:17.55 | mickeyl | but that may be support desaster if it doesn't work |
| 12:18.04 | cmartin | : |
| 12:18.07 | cmartin | :) |
| 12:22.08 | cmartin | mickeyl: well, that's the way upgrading should work regardless of a new opensimpad version |
| 12:22.55 | mickeyl | it may should, but don't forget that ipkg sucks :) |
| 12:25.17 | cmartin | couldn't we make the 1.0.2 packages depend on an opie >= 1.0.2? this would stop people from just installing single apps from 1.0.2 over top of an opie 1.0.1 installation |
| 12:26.58 | mickeyl | sounds really good |
| 12:27.06 | mickeyl | i think we will do that |
| 12:27.33 | mickeyl | problem is though, you can still do non-quicklauncher applications - so that only applies to quicklaunch |
| 12:28.48 | cmartin | well, the quicklauncher applications would depend on quicklaunch >= 1.0.2 and non-quicklaunch applications don't |
| 12:29.59 | cmartin | take that back |
| 12:30.17 | cmartin | quicklauch only moves the original apps, right? |
| 12:30.25 | mickeyl | moves? |
| 12:30.37 | mickeyl | you must recompile an application to get quicklaunch support |
| 12:30.52 | mickeyl | quicklaunch target is a library while non-quicklaunch target is an application |
| 12:30.53 | cmartin | from bin to another location and sets a link in bin ti quicklaunch? |
| 12:30.58 | cmartin | k |
| 12:31.59 | cmartin | that's what i meant by seperate packages for quicklaunch an non-quicklaunch apps |
| 12:32.25 | cmartin | so they should be named differently |
| 12:32.42 | mickeyl | maybe |
| 12:32.50 | mickeyl | we don't have discussed that yet |
| 12:32.55 | mickeyl | but it may be the best option |
| 12:33.22 | cmartin | like - embeddedkonsole and embeddedkonsole-ql |
| 12:34.28 | cmartin | this would solve the dependency issue if the quicklaunch apps depend on quicklaunch |
| 12:35.36 | cmartin | and the non-quicklaunch app doesn't but they can't counterexist, right? |
| 12:36.01 | cmartin | so they would supply the same app |
| 12:36.10 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 12:38.27 | cmartin | so what do we do? release opensimpad 0.8.1 with opie 1.0.1 or wait till 1.0.2 is usable? |
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| 12:41.46 | mickeyl | cmartin: I'd say lets wait until Harlekin gets back and see if the fix is easy or not. |
| 12:42.00 | mickeyl | we may decide then. |
| 12:45.56 | cmartin | k |
| 12:53.40 | cmartin | mickeyl: what would need to be done to make the kernel package a dummy package - without a zImage file - on the simpad this is of no use |
| 12:56.10 | mickeyl | cmartin: i guess adding an ifdef for the SIMpad which deletes the zImage out of kernel-common |
| 12:59.51 | cmartin | well, kernel-common only has a config.in |
| 13:03.31 | cmartin | what would removing this line do: install -m 0755 $(SourceTree)/arch/arm/boot/zImage $@ |
| 13:03.47 | mickeyl | where is that? |
| 13:03.59 | cmartin | kernel-simpad/Makefile |
| 13:04.31 | mickeyl | we need that |
| 13:04.41 | mickeyl | that is during binary stage |
| 13:04.46 | mickeyl | we need to eliminate it during ipk stage |
| 13:04.59 | cmartin | k |
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| 13:14.17 | cmartin | mickeyl: is it this line in scripts/kernel-packages/kernel.postinst: update-alternatives --install /boot/zImage zImage /boot/zImage-@@KERNELVERSION@@ @@KERNELPRIORITY@@ |
| 13:15.07 | mickeyl | no, this just links zImage to the already installed kernel image in rootfs |
| 13:15.54 | mickeyl | can't you run make in debug mode or so? then you'd see where/which rule installes the file |
| 13:18.58 | cmartin | mickeyl: k, i think i found it - in scripts/ipkg-make-kernel-packages there's a line - cp $kernel_src_tree/arch/arm/boot/zImage boot/zImage-$kernel_version |
| 13:19.33 | cmartin | mickeyl: which copies the kernel into the temp dir before running mkipk |
| 13:22.30 | Twiun | re |
| 13:23.20 | cmartin | hi Twiun |
| 13:24.46 | Twiun | how's it going? |
| 13:26.45 | cmartin | besides the fact the opie BRANCH isn't functional, everything is looking good |
| 13:27.39 | cmartin | mickeyl: would "ifdef CONFIG_TARGET_SIMPAD" work within the scripts/ipkg-make-kernel-packages script? |
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| 13:28.46 | cmartin | Twiun: well, isn't functional may be too hard - it isn't functional if you compile the quicklaunch stuff |
| 13:29.26 | cmartin | mickeyl: or should we copy it and use our own copy? |
| 13:29.35 | schurig | cmartin: AFAIK not, because this symbol is not exported. I suggest that you put the lnie |
| 13:29.40 | schurig | line set >/tmp/vars |
| 13:30.06 | schurig | at the top of the script and run it once. Then look at /tmp/vars if you find some var that you can test for simpadyness |
| 13:31.36 | schurig | or, you could modify Vars.make and add an export Machine after Machine=simpad |
| 13:34.00 | Twiun | cmartin: hehe |
| 13:35.26 | cmartin | schurig: just trying your first suggestion, maybe there's something already there that i can look for |
| 13:41.09 | cmartin | well i could grep for kernel-simpad within the PWD variable in the script since when the script is run it will always be run from packages/kernel-simpad |
| 13:42.10 | mickeyl | eek that's a hack |
| 13:42.16 | mickeyl | why don't you source the config, if you need it? |
| 13:44.16 | chouimat | morning |
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| 13:45.19 | cmartin | mickeyl: yes, that sounds good - source the config and add a "ifdef CONFIG_TARGET_SIMPAD", that would work |
| 13:46.24 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 13:46.30 | mickeyl | however, not ifdef, since that's not a makefile |
| 13:47.52 | cmartin | ok - "if [ $CONFIG_TARGET_SIMPAD != y ]" |
| 13:48.35 | mickeyl | looks good, /me is no shell expert though |
| 13:50.46 | absentia | call me crazy |
| 13:50.59 | absentia | but |
| 13:51.10 | absentia | I always put ""s around vars and valus in sh scripts |
| 13:51.31 | absentia | also, if you're anal, you can protect avainst stilliness like filenames that start with - by |
| 13:51.53 | absentia | "x$var" != "xy" |
| 13:51.54 | cmartin | absentia: yes it's a good idea - i'm just not sure if "!=" works or if it has to be "-ne" |
| 13:53.53 | absentia | cbsh: test "x$LINE" != "x" && { set -f; set $LINE; set +f ;} |
| 13:54.02 | absentia | rcopy:test "x$HOST" != "x" && { |
| 13:54.07 | absentia | sdu: test "x$REVERSE" != "x" && REVERSE="-r" # |
| 13:54.20 | absentia | sdu: test "x$KILOBYTES" != "x" && DUKB="-k" # |
| 13:54.29 | absentia | sdu: test "x$CHANGES" != "x" -a "x$CHN" = "x0" && { # |
| 13:54.34 | cmartin | k |
| 13:54.35 | absentia | xon:if [ "$rsh" != "/usr/local/bin/ssh -f" ]; then |
| 13:54.38 | cmartin | enough |
| 13:54.41 | cmartin | i understand |
| 13:54.42 | absentia | seems I use != exclusively. |
| 13:54.44 | cmartin | :) |
| 13:54.52 | absentia | but that's just me. |
| 13:55.51 | cmartin | i just wasn't sure if that was sh or not, but i had problems with "!=" in some scripts before - maybe it was under csh or something |
| 13:56.29 | schurig | cmartin: if you need a one-liner to execute, you can do without if [ ]; then stuff, just do |
| 13:56.40 | schurig | test "$X" = "y" && echo "do it" |
| 13:56.50 | schurig | and if you need the negative, then use || echo "do it" |
| 13:57.32 | absentia | there's a bug in sh, though. |
| 13:57.50 | absentia | if you use test "x$var" != "x" && { do 1; } || { do 2;} |
| 13:58.06 | absentia | do2 will be executed if do 1 fails! ... always end a {} block before a || with a : |
| 13:58.11 | absentia | since that will always evaluate to true |
| 13:58.20 | cmartin | schurig: sounds good - so it would be: test "$CONFIG_TARGET_SIMPAD" = "y" || echo "do it" |
| 13:58.31 | schurig | absentia: yeah, I only use this for if-then abbreviation, not for if-then-else abrevition |
| 13:58.48 | schurig | cmartin: "do it" would be executed on all NON-Simpads |
| 13:59.33 | cmartin | that sounds good, since i only want the zImage copied to the ipk when it's not a simpad |
| 13:59.43 | absentia | what's a simpad? |
| 13:59.54 | mickeyl | http://opie.net.wox.org/simpad ;) |
| 14:00.48 | absentia | look ma, it's linux... |
| 14:00.53 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:00.56 | absentia | isn't that a blows log in the lower right ? |
| 14:01.24 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 14:01.33 | mickeyl | unfortunately it is not glued on top |
| 14:01.53 | absentia | sick, eh? |
| 14:02.06 | absentia | ever seen those monitors "this monitor designed to work with windows" |
| 14:02.16 | absentia | as if its video signal was different, or optimized... somehow |
| 14:02.19 | absentia | makes me sick |
| 14:02.23 | mickeyl | true that |
| 14:03.36 | schurig | "This milk-chocolade designed to be eaten while using windows" |
| 14:04.41 | absentia | exactly |
| 14:04.53 | absentia | I always take off those windows stickers... from company laptops and stuff |
| 14:04.58 | absentia | and put them on my toilet |
| 14:05.08 | absentia | people usually get a kick out of that. |
| 14:11.38 | schurig | absentia: and, while you're doing it, tile your loo's floor with AOL CDs |
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| 14:15.41 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 14:15.48 | prpplague | chouimat: yo |
| 14:23.07 | cmartin | mickeyl: ok - i added ". $TOPDIR/.config" to scripts/ipkg-make-kernel-packages and changed this "cp $kernel_src_tree/arch/arm/boot/zImage boot/zImage-$kernel_version" to -> test "$CONFIG_TARGET_SIMPAD" = "y" || echo "cp $kernel_src_tree/arch/arm/boot/zImage boot/zImage-$kernel_version" |
| 14:23.33 | cmartin | it works - but i don't know if this is a bit intrusive |
| 14:25.32 | cmartin | mickeyl: should i push that change or rather think of a different solution? |
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| 14:27.10 | mickeyl | cmartin: looks ok for me, just push it. |
| 14:27.28 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 14:27.33 | mickeyl | where is the ipkg destination directory? |
| 14:27.55 | mickeyl | i didn't read that script yet |
| 14:28.23 | mickeyl | let's wake up kergoth and ask him |
| 14:28.27 | mickeyl | kergoth: wake up, please :D |
| 14:29.09 | prpplague | mickeyl: hey, kergoth mention that he thought you'd add bitsy/bitsyx support into OE, is that correct? |
| 14:29.41 | mickeyl | prpplague: maybe - if you would tell me what bitsy is :D |
| 14:30.02 | cmartin | mickeyl: what do you mean with ipkg destination directory? |
| 14:30.41 | mickeyl | cmartin: well... the directory which ipkg uses to make its ipk out of. |
| 14:30.42 | prpplague | mickeyl: lol, guess not then, bitsy=sa-1110 bitsyx=pxa255 boards from Applied Data |
| 14:31.12 | mickeyl | prpplague: that i hear for the first time :) probably someone else was meant :) |
| 14:32.05 | schurig | bitsyx is some PXA255 based raw board (e.g. without a case) |
| 14:32.08 | schurig | made by ADS |
| 14:32.30 | schurig | hmm, we once had a guy that made things like kernel-ads. But he seems to gone, I haven't seen a commit there for a long time |
| 14:32.37 | absentia | d |
| 14:33.43 | cmartin | mickeyl: well, as far as kernel-packages are concerned it's in scripts/kernel-packages - i think |
| 14:34.41 | mickeyl | cmartin: normally it is /tmp/mkipk.xxx which xxx being a tmpnumber |
| 14:34.47 | cmartin | mickeyl: at least that's where temporary DIRs are being created within the script and mkipkg is generating the packages from that DIR |
| 14:34.50 | mickeyl | cmartin: this is what IPKG_DEST_DIR is |
| 14:34.55 | mickeyl | or IPKG_TMP_DIR |
| 14:37.00 | cmartin | mickeyl: look here - tmpdir=`pwd`/kernel-packages.$$ - that what that script is doing, the kernel packages are being made starting from here |
| 14:37.22 | absentia | anyone here know the ins and outs of ssh1 vs ssh2? |
| 14:37.27 | absentia | how to get ssh2 to support ssh1? |
| 14:37.29 | mickeyl | cmartin: ok, so with your change the kernel no longer gets copied into that tempdir? |
| 14:37.44 | absentia | I'm so sick and gd tired of getting the error "can't not execute scp1 in compatibility mode" |
| 14:37.53 | absentia | if anyone wants to ruin a protocol, this is surely how to do it |
| 14:38.07 | mickeyl | absentia: more or less that's two totally different protocols |
| 14:38.19 | absentia | I realize that. |
| 14:38.26 | mickeyl | absentia: and even openssh1 is not really compatible to closessh1 |
| 14:38.36 | absentia | but it seems whenever I go to a system where I haven't manually installed ssh.com ssh2 ... I can't scp |
| 14:39.03 | absentia | we need a new, open, self-compatle ssh replacement |
| 14:39.04 | absentia | that's what I tink. |
| 14:40.02 | absentia | redhat 9 seems to ship with an ssh from 1999? |
| 14:40.04 | cmartin | mickeyl: yep, and i just built a new image with that change and /boot only contains var.tar (var.tgz??) |
| 14:40.16 | mickeyl | cmartin: good. |
| 14:44.19 | cmartin | mickeyl: i just used the citool to do that, but i'm not sure if it got sent - citool just quit after commiting without any message - shouldn't it ask for my ssh-Passphrase? |
| 14:45.05 | mickeyl | no - why should it? |
| 14:45.24 | mickeyl | bk ci is a local operation |
| 14:46.11 | cmartin | oh. ok i have to do a bk push, right - it's been a while and i haven't done this enough to make routine |
| 14:46.45 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:46.53 | mickeyl | don't forget to bk commit |
| 14:47.31 | CIA | repository=03buildroot user=11cmartin@nb005 |
| 14:47.58 | cmartin | ok bk push says i'm a couple of changesets behind, how do i get that fixed? |
| 14:48.23 | mickeyl | bk pull |
| 14:48.34 | cmartin | and what about my changes? |
| 14:48.42 | mickeyl | this is bitkeeper, my friend :D |
| 14:48.46 | mickeyl | not sucky cvs |
| 14:49.22 | mickeyl | if bk pull sees a conflict, you must resolv the conflict |
| 14:49.26 | mickeyl | bk pull won't overwrite your changes |
| 14:50.12 | cmartin | mickeyl: what's this message from CIA supposed to mean? |
| 14:50.24 | mickeyl | cmartin: that is our commit log bot |
| 14:50.39 | mickeyl | cmartin: so we see when someone is making commits in this channel |
| 14:50.51 | mickeyl | need hypens to make this more clear |
| 14:50.59 | mickeyl | cmartin: so we see - when someone is making commits - in this channel |
| 14:51.05 | cmartin | oh that's nice - i saw that before, but couldn't make sense of it |
| 14:52.27 | cmartin | ok did bk pull and bk push without errors |
| 14:53.17 | cmartin | why didn't CIA say something this time? |
| 14:54.10 | mickeyl | because it is configured to only react on bk commit |
| 14:55.09 | cmartin | well, i did bk commit also - it just said "Nothing to commit" |
| 14:56.25 | mickeyl | yes, you already commited it |
| 14:56.47 | mickeyl | bk commit also is a local operation, which is why it succeeded the first time. |
| 14:57.09 | mickeyl | you must get used to having a local repository, not just a working copy ;) |
| 14:57.25 | cmartin | i will get used to this sometime |
| 14:58.29 | cmartin | so it's probably always best to run bk pull before starting any work, right |
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| 14:59.02 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 14:59.27 | cmartin | it wasn't much of a problem a minute ago, but that was because there were no other changes to that same file |
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| 15:00.08 | cmartin | i had a worse problem once, when i was a couple of change sets back on a file others had changed also in the meantime |
| 15:00.28 | cmartin | that was a mess, with all those diff things - eeehh |
| 15:01.00 | mickeyl | but bk difftool is soo nice |
| 15:01.10 | mickeyl | and the graphical 3 way merge just rocks |
| 15:01.14 | mickeyl | compare that to cvs! |
| 15:01.15 | cmartin | if you understand how to work with it |
| 15:01.18 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 15:01.20 | mickeyl | going home |
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| 15:15.25 | cmartin | bbl |
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| 15:39.43 | treke | ugh. still fricking running |
| 15:40.04 | chouimat | treke: plucker? |
| 15:40.39 | treke | yes |
| 15:40.58 | chouimat | ouch |
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| 16:34.36 | Neo|Work | have fun with that |
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| 16:34.56 | Neo|Work | question though... WHY? :) |
| 16:36.25 | treke | maybe he likes pain |
| 16:36.50 | chouimat | Neo|Work: because he smell too bad |
| 16:48.11 | chouimat | done |
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| 17:26.44 | noda | Moo! |
| 17:28.05 | W8TVI | m00 |
| 17:29.07 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.10 | treke | pb_: OpenEmbedded/OpenZaurus developer lounge | User support in #openzaurus, #openembedded |
| 17:29.13 | treke | <treke> ugh. still fricking running |
| 17:29.15 | treke | <chouimat> treke: plucker? |
| 17:29.18 | treke | <treke> yes |
| 17:29.20 | treke | <chouimat> ouch |
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| 17:29.36 | Pixel_ | treke ? |
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| 17:29.41 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.47 | treke | <Neo|Work> have fun with that |
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| 17:29.49 | treke | <Neo|Work> question though... WHY? :) |
| 17:29.51 | treke | <treke> maybe he likes pain |
| 17:29.54 | treke | <chouimat> Neo|Work: because he smell too bad |
| 17:29.56 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.59 | treke | <chouimat> done |
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| 17:30.20 | mickeyl | treke has gone wild .D |
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| 17:30.25 | noda | I think so.... |
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| 17:30.33 | treke | shiiit. |
| 17:30.35 | treke | that was meant for pb. not you |
| 17:30.38 | treke | pb_: http://ent.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/buildroot.tar.bz2 |
| 17:30.40 | treke | now I will go hide under a rock |
| 17:30.43 | noda | Hehehe |
| 17:30.44 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:30.50 | pb_ | treke: thanks :-) |
| 17:30.51 | noda | treke: Hey, where's the new image for me to try out? :P |
| 17:31.13 | treke | pb_: You can probably just untar it over your current one, but backup your changes first :) |
| 17:31.20 | noda | (and you wonder why I don't code a new download page -- bah!) |
| 17:31.41 | treke | noda: Build is ready. When I see a download page I'll upload an image. |
| 17:31.55 | noda | Riiiiight ;) |
| 17:32.14 | noda | I actually may have a bit of spare time today. Lemme just see if I've got any other homework first. |
| 17:32.37 | mickeyl | build for what? |
| 17:33.28 | treke | mickeyl: he wants a new collie image. |
| 17:33.53 | noda | :) |
| 17:34.09 | noda | Hrm. I've got some "Communication in Engineering" (read: "English") homework to do... |
| 17:34.10 | mickeyl | treke: oh nice. you're doing one? with what opie? |
| 17:34.43 | treke | mickeyl: It's built against current branch_1_0 atm |
| 17:34.57 | treke | mickeyl: I dont plan on releasing it unless we get a download script :) |
| 17:35.06 | mickeyl | treke: well... it won't work. |
| 17:35.10 | noda | 40 pages to read. I'll scan. It's all easy stuff anyway. |
| 17:35.13 | treke | mickeyl: I can rebuild |
| 17:35.28 | treke | opie takes about 15 minutes to build here :p |
| 17:35.41 | noda | ccache? |
| 17:35.42 | mickeyl | treke: good good. you probably want to build 27th august, then. |
| 17:35.48 | treke | noda: yes |
| 17:37.00 | mickeyl | oh and remember to download the old hotplug, pcmcia-cs and hostap-modules from 3.2 before making the image. |
| 17:37.08 | treke | why? |
| 17:37.25 | mickeyl | because they work :) |
| 17:37.56 | treke | what is wrong with the current ones? |
| 17:38.00 | treke | They work fine for me |
| 17:38.14 | mickeyl | on your collie model with kernel 2.4.6 ? :D |
| 17:38.33 | treke | fuck collie |
| 17:38.37 | treke | :) |
| 17:38.41 | noda | Hey! :P |
| 17:39.19 | mickeyl | since 3.2, updating broke 1.) usb-networking, 2.) orinoco-modules and (rarely) hostap for Collie. |
| 17:39.29 | mickeyl | oh and suspend/resume |
| 17:39.40 | treke | kergoth: Just a warning about upgrading netbase. The new version changes the file format |
| 17:39.55 | treke | of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:40.01 | pb_ | good grief, really? |
| 17:40.04 | pb_ | what did they change? |
| 17:40.07 | mickeyl | treke: no, you can't do that! |
| 17:40.17 | mickeyl | treke: that will break opie-networksettings |
| 17:40.24 | treke | mickeyl: That's why I havent done it |
| 17:40.27 | noda | Huh? Why change /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:40.33 | treke | pb_: nothing major |
| 17:40.52 | treke | I just remember there being changes in the file format |
| 17:40.56 | pb_ | ah, okay |
| 17:41.00 | treke | pb_: OZ uses netbase from potato |
| 17:41.06 | pb_ | ohhh |
| 17:41.50 | treke | hehhe |
| 17:41.51 | pb_ | okay, let's try this new buildroot. |
| 17:42.40 | pb_ | hm, it's not offering me any C libraries. |
| 17:43.23 | pb_ | any clues what might be wrong there? I have gcc-3.3 selected, but changing to 3.2 doesn't help. |
| 17:43.31 | mickeyl | pb_: need kernel-headers? |
| 17:43.38 | pb_ | ah |
| 17:43.54 | mickeyl | changing compilers delete all depending settings |
| 17:43.55 | mickeyl | that sucks |
| 17:43.57 | pb_ | oh yes, that was it. thanks |
| 17:44.16 | mickeyl | pb_: what build are you doing? |
| 17:44.36 | pb_ | attempting to build with X and GTK |
| 17:44.44 | mickeyl | pb_: ah. good luck! |
| 17:44.47 | pb_ | same thing I've been trying for the past three days. heh. |
| 17:45.06 | mickeyl | pb_: i got glib2, atk2, fontconfig to work last time i tried |
| 17:45.11 | mickeyl | pb_: failed at pango |
| 17:45.17 | mickeyl | and lost motivation ;) |
| 17:45.37 | pb_ | sounds familiar |
| 17:45.59 | pb_ | hm, I wonder why it won't let me enable pango. |
| 17:46.16 | pb_ | "pango needs a c library, glib2, fontconfig, freetype, zlib, and X", but I think I have all of those. |
| 17:46.40 | pb_ | oh, wait, no fontconfig. |
| 17:46.43 | pb_ | where's that in the menu? |
| 17:46.51 | mickeyl | good question... |
| 17:46.55 | mickeyl | utils i guess |
| 17:47.00 | mickeyl | programs->utils |
| 17:47.12 | mickeyl | it sucks that autoselect doesn't work yet |
| 17:47.18 | pb_ | hm, don't see it there. |
| 17:47.22 | pb_ | fontconfig is a library, incidentally |
| 17:47.26 | mickeyl | ah |
| 17:47.33 | mickeyl | then libraries |
| 17:47.37 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:47.46 | pb_ | hm, let me save and check the config file |
| 17:47.59 | mickeyl | yeah, look at packages/config.in |
| 17:48.18 | pb_ | oh, needs freetype-build |
| 17:48.37 | mickeyl | welcome to the wonderful world of having to manually select dependencies ;) |
| 17:48.41 | pb_ | okay, now I'm in business. |
| 17:49.03 | pb_ | I guess it will crash out with libtool lossage when it gets to pango, but I know how to fix that now :-) |
| 17:49.13 | mickeyl | cooL! |
| 17:49.50 | pb_ | I suppose if I hone my buildroot ski11z a bit further, I could make a patch and add it to that package. |
| 17:50.28 | pb_ | oh, whoops, forgot to run as root. |
| 17:50.32 | mickeyl | ? |
| 17:50.35 | mickeyl | why root? |
| 17:50.43 | pb_ | it seems to want to do stuff in /usr/local/arm/ |
| 17:50.48 | mickeyl | ups? |
| 17:50.51 | pb_ | cp: cannot remove `/usr/local/arm/3.3/arm-linux/sys-include/asm/arch': Permission denied |
| 17:50.51 | pb_ | c |
| 17:50.53 | mickeyl | you selected a toolchain to build? |
| 17:50.55 | pb_ | yeah |
| 17:50.58 | mickeyl | ah ok |
| 17:51.08 | pb_ | No such file `gcc-3.3.1-20030720.tar.bz2'. |
| 17:51.08 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.08 | pb_ | WGET returned an error |
| 17:51.08 | pb_ | hell |
| 17:51.31 | pb_ | let me deploy my web browser to find out what the new filename is |
| 17:52.13 | pb_ | oh, seems that there just isn't a gcc-3.3.1-... any more. |
| 17:52.34 | pb_ | would I be better off with gcc-3.2? |
| 17:52.51 | mickeyl | machine? |
| 17:53.06 | pb_ | uh, husky I guess |
| 17:53.12 | mickeyl | i recommend downloading kergoths cross-3.3.1-pre1 from oz.org |
| 17:53.18 | pb_ | ah |
| 17:53.20 | mickeyl | and 2.95.3 for the kernel |
| 17:53.33 | pb_ | I wasn't planning to build a kernel, at least not now. |
| 17:53.38 | mickeyl | k |
| 17:53.48 | pb_ | all I really care about at the moment is getting a successful build of the gtk packages |
| 17:53.52 | mickeyl | good. 3.3.1-pre1 is a known-to-work compiler for husky/shepherd |
| 17:53.58 | pb_ | rock |
| 17:54.33 | pb_ | oh, where does that install itself? |
| 17:54.41 | mickeyl | 3.3 |
| 17:54.48 | pb_ | okay, cool |
| 17:54.50 | mickeyl | extract it into /usr/local/arm |
| 17:55.02 | pb_ | I have a variety of other toolchains of sentimental value in /usr/local/bin, wouldn't want them to get overwritten |
| 17:55.08 | mickeyl | sre |
| 17:55.10 | mickeyl | sure even |
| 17:55.55 | pb_ | gosh, the excitement is almost too much |
| 17:56.14 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:56.20 | mickeyl | know what really is great? |
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| 17:56.31 | mickeyl | using a default config and getting a full build without problems |
| 17:56.34 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:56.34 | mickeyl | that is so rare |
| 17:56.35 | mickeyl | :D |
| 17:56.46 | pb_ | I look forward to that day. |
| 17:59.51 | icefox | other then calling "source foo.sh" is there a way for a script |
| 17:59.52 | icefox | to modify the current shells vars? |
| 18:00.04 | mickeyl | iirc no |
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| 18:37.43 | W8TVI | . |
| 18:38.24 | treke | You know what would really be cool? Getting a working default config for gpe on shepherd! |
| 18:38.46 | pb_ | that would rock |
| 18:41.21 | pb_ | right, toolchain installed |
| 18:41.21 | pb_ | let's try again |
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| 18:44.50 | ictyl | I'm having a buildroot problem: scripts/mkdep in linux-2.4.22-cl1 is saying 'Argument list too long' |
| 18:45.03 | pb_ | oh, yeah, the makefile sucks. |
| 18:45.18 | pb_ | either break the command up into two parts, or move your build tree to a directory with a shorter path. |
| 18:46.05 | ictyl | I find it odd b/c I can 'cd build/linux-2.4.22-cl1' and then run 'make dep' just fine |
| 18:46.14 | ictyl | I'll try a shorter path, though... |
| 18:52.55 | ictyl | pb_: thanks, moving the src to /home/oz appears to be working |
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| 19:10.05 | Twiun | ictyl: it's a know issue with the kernel makefile unfortunately - dunno if it's going to be/has been addressed in later kernels |
| 19:10.33 | Twiun | s/know/known |
| 19:13.41 | pb_ | That stuff has all gone away in 2.6 anyway. |
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| 19:29.14 | Twiun | if he's as knackered as I was... |
| 19:29.23 | bipolar | hahah |
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| 19:40.06 | Twiun | hey neo, made it to ti I see :) |
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| 19:55.32 | neotron | I did indeed |
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| 20:15.21 | treke | interesting. plucker runs much faster when xscreensaver isnt running |
| 20:15.32 | chouimat | lol |
| 20:17.38 | Twiun | out of? |
| 20:18.07 | treke | it was 6000 when i stated |
| 20:18.23 | treke | started |
| 20:22.09 | Twiun | not too bad... how fast is it going? 1 page per minute? |
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| 20:24.04 | treke | probably a minute 15 |
| 20:34.55 | treke | hopefully it ends soon, i dont want to restart x until its done and my keyboard isnt working properly thanks to vmware |
| 20:35.21 | chouimat | treke: I'm using jpluck |
| 20:35.54 | chouimat | treke: a lot faster |
| 20:36.12 | treke | chouimat: jpluck is all well and good, but i'm 4 days into the run, i dont quite want to give up yet |
| 20:36.33 | chouimat | treke: I know |
| 20:38.19 | treke | mickeyl: ping |
| 20:41.08 | mickeyl | treke: pong |
| 20:42.38 | treke | mickeyl: your calibaration settings get screwed up with each reboot/ |
| 20:42.55 | treke | that is a question not a statement |
| 20:43.05 | mickeyl | on c7x0 ? |
| 20:43.27 | treke | yes |
| 20:43.37 | mickeyl | lemme check... |
| 20:46.13 | mickeyl | nope - works fine |
| 20:46.51 | treke | hmmm |
| 20:46.56 | treke | seems to happen each time for me |
| 20:47.11 | treke | i can calibate, then reboot and calibration is all screwed up |
| 20:47.25 | bach | frms |
| 20:47.26 | bach | frm |
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| 20:49.05 | mickeyl | treke: sounds like the effect one has if using an Opie without tslib support |
| 20:50.22 | fdask | what is tslib? |
| 20:50.27 | mickeyl | touch screen library |
| 20:50.36 | mickeyl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:50.42 | mickeyl | ouch ouch ouch |
| 20:50.48 | mickeyl | forehead even |
| 20:50.52 | mickeyl | bbiam |
| 20:50.54 | mickeyl | must test something |
| 20:51.42 | treke | mickeyl|bbl: ah. maybe i dont have tslib support |
| 20:51.49 | treke | i just copied your config ;p |
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| 21:09.38 | mickeyl | treke: no, the def-config is right |
| 21:09.52 | mickeyl | i just found the reason for all our opie problems |
| 21:13.53 | mickeyl | checking in.... standby |
| 21:14.11 | kergoth | what was the reason? |
| 21:14.48 | kergoth | good to see toby become civil in his recent replies |
| 21:14.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:15.08 | _Psycho_ | hehe |
| 21:15.16 | Twiun | mickeyl: just realised you were using a dos fs? |
| 21:15.28 | _Psycho_ | i think he got the point after 4 reply from different person :) |
| 21:15.31 | _Psycho_ | or os :) |
| 21:15.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:17.15 | mickeyl | can't tell it... it is too dumb |
| 21:17.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:17.33 | kergoth | know how that is |
| 21:17.38 | mickeyl | well actually it is partly the fault of QLibrary |
| 21:17.51 | mickeyl | because that fscking library doesn't spit out errors |
| 21:17.59 | mickeyl | even if it doesn't find |
| 21:18.03 | mickeyl | lib<appname>.so |
| 21:18.16 | mickeyl | because in my control file replace script i did a minor error... |
| 21:18.26 | mickeyl | Files: lib<appname>.so.* instead of |
| 21:18.32 | mickeyl | Files: lib<appname>.so* |
| 21:18.37 | mickeyl | notice the difference? |
| 21:18.43 | Twiun | very small indeed |
| 21:18.43 | sonix` | yes! |
| 21:18.46 | _Psycho_ | the first one look way better ! |
| 21:18.48 | _Psycho_ | =op |
| 21:19.04 | kergoth | oh, the apps dont use lib<appname>.so.#.#.#, just lib<appname>.so? |
| 21:19.07 | Twiun | sonix`: absolutely, it's a glaring mistake :) |
| 21:19.19 | mickeyl | kergoth: the damn QLibrary only searches for *.so |
| 21:19.27 | mickeyl | and exactly _this_ wasn't packaged |
| 21:19.29 | mickeyl | pfff |
| 21:19.30 | kergoth | mickeyl: ehh wtf. |
| 21:19.37 | kergoth | thats annoying |
| 21:19.58 | kergoth | i mean what if i want to open a normal lib.. normally the .so is in the development package, not the main one |
| 21:20.03 | kergoth | at least in oz/debianish distros |
| 21:20.22 | kergoth | ~lart mickeyl for flooding my mailbox |
| 21:20.32 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:20.47 | kergoth | i hope no one ever puts both forms on each package in a single feed |
| 21:21.28 | mickeyl | right. the ipkg problem with multiple providers |
| 21:21.33 | kergoth | mickeyl: did you see http://www.dadeb.it/OZ5600/usbdfix.txt? |
| 21:21.39 | kergoth | mickeyl: no oops if the moduels are loaded in that order |
| 21:21.50 | kergoth | stupid fucking thing. |
| 21:21.52 | mickeyl | ugh! |
| 21:21.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:21.57 | mickeyl | unbelievable |
| 21:22.01 | mickeyl | tried? |
| 21:22.05 | kergoth | want to update /etc/modules for our pxa devices? |
| 21:22.11 | mickeyl | sure |
| 21:22.13 | kergoth | mule says it fixed someone's 5600 using oz |
| 21:22.14 | mickeyl | on my way |
| 21:22.23 | kergoth | thanks |
| 21:22.32 | kergoth | nice to see another big bug die |
| 21:22.38 | mickeyl | right |
| 21:22.46 | mickeyl | btw., what happened to your experimental galore update? ;) |
| 21:22.49 | kergoth | so whats holding up the release now, just non-collie keyboard handling qt/e bits? |
| 21:22.50 | mickeyl | stopped very quick :D |
| 21:22.56 | kergoth | ugh, i ran out of fucking hard disk space |
| 21:22.59 | kergoth | cursed repeatedly |
| 21:22.59 | mickeyl | ah |
| 21:23.04 | kergoth | then had some scotch |
| 21:23.08 | kergoth | sorta forgot at that point |
| 21:23.11 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:23.14 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:23.36 | mickeyl | I'd say non-collie keyboard handling is the major thing holding up an official 3.3 release |
| 21:23.43 | kergoth | mickeyl: <pester> looked at OE? </pester> |
| 21:23.47 | kergoth | okay, maybe i'll take a look |
| 21:23.51 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 21:23.53 | kergoth | since nobody else has gotten around to it :) |
| 21:24.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:25.02 | kergoth | i'll probably convert openssl and sysvinit tonight |
| 21:25.11 | kergoth | and maybe do a quick & dirty transition guide |
| 21:25.26 | mickeyl | great. |
| 21:25.43 | mickeyl | then the next outstanding thing would be an official collie-release with Opie 1.0.2 |
| 21:26.09 | mickeyl | that means either finishing the 2.4.21-cl or taking some packages from the OZ-3.2 release |
| 21:27.09 | kergoth | mickeyl: is the orinoco modprobe issue still there? |
| 21:27.43 | mickeyl | kergoth: yes. iirc it is related to pcmcia-cs. taking the old pcmcia-cs from OZ 3.2 cured it |
| 21:27.48 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:27.50 | kergoth | thats really weird |
| 21:27.51 | kergoth | heh |
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| 21:28.37 | mickeyl | and the hotplug issue, of course. but this can be "fixed" also by taking the old hotplug |
| 21:28.56 | CIA | repository=03buildroot user=11mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de |
| 21:28.56 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.1312 modules-shepherd: next attempt to fix the pxa_bi bug see also http://www.dadeb.it/OZ5600/usbdfix.txt Makefile: add opcode to python-lang (2.3 change) add _random to python-math (2.3 change) |
| 21:29.23 | kergoth | cia is spiffy |
| 21:29.26 | mickeyl | yup |
| 21:29.39 | kergoth | too bad i cant email through ti's http proxy |
| 21:31.28 | kergoth | treke: ah. i updated to the latest netbase, but hadnt tested it |
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| 21:35.37 | kergoth | hey mule |
| 21:36.55 | mule | hi |
| 21:37.51 | kergoth | wonder if mailx can be made to obey an http proxy |
| 21:37.55 | kergoth | thatd be nice |
| 21:38.17 | pb_ | okay, what do I need to do to add a new package? |
| 21:38.25 | pb_ | I created a directory under packages and put Makefile and config.in in there. |
| 21:38.34 | mickeyl | edit pkg.conf in topdir |
| 21:38.38 | pb_ | aha |
| 21:38.50 | mickeyl | edit packages/config.in |
| 21:38.52 | mickeyl | that's all |
| 21:38.58 | mickeyl | rm .depends && make menuconfig |
| 21:39.02 | mickeyl | it should showup then |
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| 21:39.48 | kergoth | pb_: pkg.conf is the glue used to integrate the config system with our build |
| 21:40.17 | pb_ | right |
| 21:40.28 | pb_ | oh, needs to be tabs not spaces in that file |
| 21:40.32 | mickeyl | yeah! |
| 21:40.40 | kergoth | treke: theres an openembedded-ipaq question on #openzaurus |
| 21:40.43 | kergoth | treke: mind fielding it? |
| 21:41.13 | Jibbler | i'm here too :) |
| 21:41.38 | kergoth | Jibbler: ah. hehe |
| 21:41.50 | mickeyl | DanWilliams: would you convert aqpkg to be quicklaunch-able, please |
| 21:42.20 | Jibbler | i have an ipaq 37xx and no expansion thingy. i was wondering if i can install openzaurus on it? |
| 21:42.22 | pb_ | excellent, that worked. |
| 21:42.32 | pb_ | except my pkg-config invocation is losing for some reason. |
| 21:43.04 | mickeyl | Jibbler: /me has a 3650 and OE-ipaq works like a charm there. |
| 21:43.29 | mickeyl | 37xx is same arch (h3600) isn't it? |
| 21:43.32 | pb_ | oh, libgtk staginginstall is still wrong. duh. |
| 21:43.34 | Jibbler | no idea ;) |
| 21:43.34 | mickeyl | treke? |
| 21:43.38 | pb_ | mickeyl: yeah, 3700 is identical to 3600. |
| 21:43.42 | mickeyl | good. |
| 21:43.51 | pb_ | only difference is that 3700 has more memory and ships with pocketpc2002. |
| 21:44.00 | Jibbler | i don't really use it much, it's been in my filing cabinet for the last year. i was just thinking of maybe installing a different OS on it to make it a bit more useful |
| 21:44.04 | mickeyl | Jibbler: i recommend giving it a try if treke recommends his latest image |
| 21:44.54 | Jibbler | i'm not familiar with the terminology here - what's the difference between OpenEmbedded and OpenZaurus? |
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| 21:45.32 | mickeyl | actually OpenEmbedded-ipaq is the same as OpenZaurus compiled for an ipaq |
| 21:45.42 | mickeyl | but OpenEmbedded is our next gen. build system |
| 21:46.00 | mickeyl | so in the future, the meaning will be more sane |
| 21:49.42 | pb_ | oh dear, pkg-config is still losing. |
| 21:50.04 | pb_ | I seem to be winding up with lots of non-substituted $(...) in my cflags. |
| 21:52.44 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:53.09 | pb_ | I think the problem is that gpe packages don't have a configure script; they just do "CFLAGS = `pkg-config ...`". |
| 21:53.25 | pb_ | it looks like pkg-config is returning some $() stuff, expecting that it will be pasted into a makefile and get re-expanded before use. |
| 21:53.46 | kergoth | blech. |
| 21:53.53 | pb_ | I suppose I could probably fix it with some judicious use of $(eval). |
| 21:55.14 | kergoth | could use shell vars, but then you'd be making the assumption that the makefile exports them |
| 21:55.31 | pb_ | yeah |
| 21:56.19 | kergoth | hmm, tried a glibc 2.3.2 with debian's patchset from unstable.. build blows up. |
| 21:56.29 | kergoth | ah, need the empty framestate.c i think |
| 21:56.36 | pb_ | ah, yes, that's quite important |
| 21:56.41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:58.30 | treke | sorry was at lunch |
| 21:58.37 | treke | what was the question |
| 21:59.08 | treke | mickeyl: yeah, i didnt want to invent a new openipaq name ;0 |
| 21:59.28 | kergoth | i like openembedded/[device] myself, but its too damn long |
| 21:59.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:59.38 | pb_ | oh, neat, adding $(eval) makes make segfault. |
| 21:59.48 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:00.48 | pb_ | ah, I was using it wrong |
| 22:00.49 | pb_ | duh |
| 22:03.15 | pb_ | $(eval CFLAGS = $(shell pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0)) |
| 22:03.17 | pb_ | niiiice |
| 22:03.32 | mickeyl | hacker! |
| 22:03.33 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 22:03.59 | pb_ | and now it turns out that glib's staginginstall is also a disaster area (ie not actually installing stuff into staging) |
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| 22:06.07 | pb_ | ah, it's installing glibconfig.h into $(STAGING_DIR)/include/, which I guess is an understandable mistake. |
| 22:06.31 | pb_ | those crazy gnome h4x0rs seem to favour $(STAGING_DIR)/lib for such files. |
| 22:06.56 | treke | pb_: please tell me you are kidding |
| 22:07.16 | kergoth | what? |
| 22:07.22 | pb_ | treke: ls /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include |
| 22:07.24 | DanWilliams | mickeyl: I did change aqpkg to quick launch (in branch_1_0)...but not head |
| 22:07.37 | mickeyl | DanWilliams: you did? when? |
| 22:07.47 | treke | Every day I find another reason to hate gnome |
| 22:07.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:07.56 | treke | first vfs, now this |
| 22:08.17 | DanWilliams | mickeyl: 9 days ago according to viewcvs |
| 22:08.37 | DanWilliams | (had to double check to make sure I checked it in) |
| 22:08.58 | treke | of course their horribly nasty gui doesnt help either :) |
| 22:09.23 | pb_ | hehe |
| 22:09.58 | treke | and the crippled window manager |
| 22:10.28 | pb_ | aha |
| 22:10.32 | pb_ | down to just one missing header now |
| 22:10.42 | pb_ | gdkconfig.h! |
| 22:10.58 | treke | hopefully gpe isnt following similar ways of thought :) |
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| 22:11.41 | mickeyl | DanWilliams: ah, you forgot to adapt the .pro file |
| 22:11.51 | mickeyl | DanWilliams: TEMPLATE and DESTDIR must go |
| 22:12.25 | pb_ | treke: no, I'm glad to say it isn't |
| 22:12.33 | pb_ | well, not yet |
| 22:12.57 | treke | at least gnome is pretty. |
| 22:12.59 | DanWilliams | mickeyl: oh...didn't know about that |
| 22:13.06 | kergoth | heh, opie should apply those changes that make its target file structure more sane (from the debian packages), and make a symlink filled sharp compat /opt ipk |
| 22:13.16 | treke | i guess that is one thing it has over gpe |
| 22:13.39 | kergoth | sed: file scripts/output-format.sed line 21: Unknown command: ``Q'' |
| 22:13.39 | kergoth | make[1]: *** [/home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe/packages/tmp/base/glibc-2.3.2-r0/build-arm-linux/format.lds] Error 1 |
| 22:13.43 | kergoth | what the.. |
| 22:13.48 | pb_ | kergoth: need a better sed |
| 22:13.56 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:14.10 | mickeyl | kergoth: definitly. let's release 1.0.2 with a number of distributions as soon as possible - and then let's do major restructuration + migration to OE |
| 22:14.19 | pb_ | kergoth: refer to changelog. |
| 22:14.19 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.27 | kergoth | ah. thanks |
| 22:14.46 | pb_ | it's actually required because of a gross hack to work around a problem in output-format.sed that otherwise bites on arm. |
| 22:15.03 | kergoth | mickeyl: hmm. do we want to switch opie to OE while we're transitioning buildroot to OE? |
| 22:15.14 | kergoth | mickeyl: or serially? |
| 22:15.15 | treke | kergoth: could be worse. It could be a rh9 laptop |
| 22:15.17 | pb_ | previously /usr/lib/libc.so was winding up with a line in the middle that said "*** BUG IN output-format.sed ***", which the linker didn't approve of. |
| 22:15.20 | kergoth | treke: hehe |
| 22:15.27 | kergoth | pb_: ahh |
| 22:15.42 | mickeyl | kergoth: i don't know enough about OE yet to comment on that. |
| 22:16.00 | kergoth | hmm. OE's "operating within an upstream source" functioanlity needs some fixups |
| 22:16.19 | kergoth | but i'd hate to restructure opie's source dir structure without doing the buildsystem simultaniously |
| 22:16.51 | mickeyl | no problem if guys remember that the STABLE branch has to be treated as that! |
| 22:17.12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:17.23 | treke | hammer that into harlekins head :) |
| 22:17.31 | kergoth | ugh that reminds me |
| 22:17.34 | mickeyl | because then I don't mind having an unusable HEAD for a while |
| 22:17.37 | kergoth | need to write up the CM plans for opie & oe/oz |
| 22:17.41 | mickeyl | yes |
| 22:17.48 | mickeyl | after recentely this is more needed than ever |
| 22:17.50 | kergoth | mickeyl: well, restructuring the dir structure in cvs would be a nightmare |
| 22:17.58 | treke | and once again. hammer it into his head that you dont break CVS and then go on vacation! |
| 22:18.01 | kergoth | mickeyl: which implies a bk switch simultaniously as well |
| 22:18.07 | kergoth | mickeyl: as if there wasnt enough to do |
| 22:18.20 | treke | ibot, seen Harlekin |
| 22:18.21 | | harlekin <~max@pD9545F6E.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #opie, 9d 10h 23m 21s ago, saying: 'back in 10 days'. |
| 22:18.29 | pb_ | only 14 hours to go! |
| 22:18.32 | treke | yup |
| 22:18.44 | mickeyl | kergoth: right. but then again, as sooner as we switch to bk people may get to use it |
| 22:19.05 | kergoth | mickeyl: yeah. i'd say the bk swtich should come _asap_, as soon as the opie branches are merged |
| 22:19.06 | treke | kergoth: hopefully we will have a more sane structure than we have now |
| 22:19.15 | kergoth | then the dir and buildsystem next |
| 22:19.55 | mickeyl | and while we're there.... good buy to the core/noncore access privilege separation - i really became uncomfortable with that |
| 22:20.02 | mickeyl | s/buy/bye |
| 22:20.15 | pb_ | mm, I never really understood what the reason for that was |
| 22:20.28 | treke | pb_: The theory was to keep what happened from happening |
| 22:20.32 | kergoth | yeah, we use a tool that can restore previous versions of things.. |
| 22:20.36 | treke | :) |
| 22:20.37 | kergoth | so big deal if someone fucks up |
| 22:20.40 | mickeyl | pb: shell account on hh.org |
| 22:20.40 | kergoth | just revert |
| 22:20.45 | kergoth | oh, there is that. |
| 22:20.46 | mickeyl | pb_: rm -rf opie/cvs |
| 22:20.52 | mickeyl | that was the problem i have been told |
| 22:21.27 | kergoth | whew, nice to see the glibc build finally complete again in oe |
| 22:21.34 | kergoth | now to convert some more shit |
| 22:21.35 | pb_ | mickeyl: ah. |
| 22:24.08 | pb_ | wow, libgpewidget compiled successfully. |
| 22:24.24 | mickeyl | pb_: nice - that means you're half way through? |
| 22:24.29 | treke | pb_: Nice |
| 22:24.41 | treke | wonder if X will work on an C700 |
| 22:25.29 | kergoth | mickeyl: email addy? need to send my pub key to get access to opie.bkbits.net |
| 22:25.47 | kergoth | treke: mallum updated our X stuff explicitly for use on his c700 |
| 22:25.49 | kergoth | treke: so yes. |
| 22:26.01 | treke | cool |
| 22:26.01 | mickeyl | kergoth: mickeyl@handhelds.org |
| 22:26.12 | mickeyl | kergoth: will add you tomorrow when i'm in office |
| 22:26.49 | kergoth | okay, thanks |
| 22:26.58 | kergoth | make sure i'm an admin so i can create repositories and stuff |
| 22:27.09 | mickeyl | yup, sure. |
| 22:28.13 | treke | hahahahahaa |
| 22:28.24 | treke | "One strategy would be to bring down all the Open Logging servers, and |
| 22:28.25 | treke | keep them down for six months. Then it reverts to the GPL. :)" |
| 22:28.46 | treke | from debian-devel |
| 22:30.57 | pb_ | kergoth: any better ideas for solving my cflags problem, or do you think I'm doomed to add that makefile stuff? |
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| 22:39.30 | bobbyd | hi |
| 22:39.51 | bobbyd | does anyone know the state of the sound driver for the zaurus in openembedded? |
| 22:40.26 | bobbyd | i'm looking to write some realtime sound apps for it and have heard that the latency is very bad. I thought I'd take a look at it and see if I could improve it |
| 22:41.56 | kergoth | dnes redid quite a bit of both audio drivers. |
| 22:42.42 | bobbyd | so they have been rewrittern or improved for OZ? |
| 22:42.50 | ljp | both |
| 22:43.15 | bobbyd | ok I suppose the next thing to do is do some latancy tests |
| 22:43.27 | bobbyd | thanks for the info |
| 22:43.42 | kergoth | In file included from e_idea.c:66: |
| 22:43.42 | kergoth | ../../include/openssl/idea.h:63:2: #error IDEA is disabled. |
| 22:43.43 | kergoth | grr |
| 22:43.54 | kergoth | wonder why it builds fine in buildroot but not here |
| 22:45.22 | kergoth | bah |
| 22:45.29 | kergoth | Configure references /usr/local/bin/perl |
| 22:45.31 | kergoth | wtf is up with that. |
| 22:45.35 | kergoth | thats not standard |
| 22:45.35 | pb_ | hah |
| 22:45.44 | kergoth | grr |
| 22:48.20 | bobbyd | kergoth: did you have a link to a tarball of the buildroot? |
| 22:48.40 | kergoth | ibot: oz snapshot |
| 22:48.40 | | hmm... oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 22:48.45 | kergoth | bleh, not that one |
| 22:48.49 | kergoth | go to openzaurus.org/official/snapshot |
| 22:48.50 | kergoth | iirc |
| 22:48.54 | bobbyd | ok |
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| 22:49.38 | bobbyd | got it thanks |
| 22:56.21 | kergoth | there, openssl is in. missing staging & install, but getting there |
| 22:57.54 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 22:58.13 | mickeyl | hmm - odd. i thought it was pcmcia-cs which i had to upgrade in order to get rid of the oirnoco-oops. obviously i downgraded something else, because it still oopses here. |
| 22:58.26 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:58.34 | kergoth | you want to continue to isolate that one? |
| 22:58.47 | mickeyl | only if you insist in doing a 2.4.6 release ... ;) |
| 22:59.07 | mickeyl | i don't like hunting for oopses ;) |
| 22:59.20 | ljp | just grep oops * |
| 22:59.24 | kergoth | well, obviously we arent ready for a full multi-device release |
| 22:59.37 | kergoth | if we release a new collie image only, other users will be more anxious than they are already |
| 22:59.40 | kergoth | so i dunno. |
| 23:00.04 | mickeyl | kergoth: question is... honestly, what do you think how far is 2.4.21-cl away? |
| 23:00.06 | kergoth | guess we could fix the qte keyboard issues and release still 2.4.6 for collie |
| 23:00.21 | kergoth | ts is easy to fix, i've delved into enough fucking ts code now (worked on it at ti too) |
| 23:00.31 | kergoth | only sdmmc is really pending, and a couple bugfixes |
| 23:00.39 | kergoth | i'm honestly not sure how long that piece will take |
| 23:01.32 | kergoth | mickeyl: i told harlekin, that if we make ipkg-build not abort on amissing file in the Files mask, we can handle quicklaunch variance in one control file |
| 23:01.36 | kergoth | mickeyl: just list both the lib & binary |
| 23:02.19 | mickeyl | kergoth: okay. that's who i did it. |
| 23:02.27 | mickeyl | how even |
| 23:02.39 | mickeyl | my spelling errors tell me it is bed time... |
| 23:02.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:02.52 | kergoth | i think thats cleaner than having multiple control files around |
| 23:02.53 | pb_ | what actually is quicklaunch, out of interest? |
| 23:03.03 | kergoth | though we shuld add a mkipkg check for whether the package is empty |
| 23:03.04 | mickeyl | kergoth: i agree |
| 23:03.05 | kergoth | so it doesnt produce useless ipks |
| 23:03.14 | mickeyl | pb_: tricky thing to make apps start mucho faster |
| 23:03.28 | mickeyl | pb_: basically we no longer start new apps, we let the launcher fork and load a shared object |
| 23:03.30 | ljp | quicklaunch is creating apps as .so and loading/forking it to execute |
| 23:03.33 | kergoth | pb_: component interface that makes apps a lib, so you can avoid fork overhead to launch it |
| 23:03.36 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:03.37 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:03.39 | pb_ | ah, I see. |
| 23:03.52 | pb_ | is fork() really that expensive? |
| 23:04.01 | mickeyl | no it is the relocation of qte, qpe, libopie symbols |
| 23:04.03 | pb_ | mm, I suppose you save all the dynamic linker startup as well. |
| 23:04.06 | pb_ | yeah |
| 23:04.10 | kergoth | yep |
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| 23:04.24 | kergoth | what am i still doing here? |
| 23:04.28 | mickeyl | g'night all |
| 23:04.30 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:04.53 | treke | pb should be going home laso :) |
| 23:04.57 | treke | also |
| 23:05.23 | ljp | ha ha ha, its not Monday here |
| 23:06.31 | pb_ | hah |
| 23:06.38 | pb_ | it's not Monday here any more either |
| 23:11.32 | chouimat | ljp: shaddap you future aussie |
| 23:12.03 | bobbyd | ok i found all the sound driver source now, thanks for the help |
| 23:13.47 | bobbyd | night |
| 23:14.33 | treke | hmmm. when is the hh conference? |
| 23:14.53 | chouimat | someday? |
| 23:15.02 | pb_ | october 3/4 |
| 23:18.23 | treke | darn. It's during the week |
| 23:18.31 | pb_ | friday and saturday, yeah |
| 23:18.40 | treke | oops |
| 23:18.47 | treke | the cal command doesnt work as I thought it did |
| 23:18.57 | pb_ | the idea was to try to accomodate people who could only attend at weekends, along with those who could only attend during the working week |
| 23:19.07 | pb_ | (for at least one day each, anyway) |
| 23:19.10 | treke | it's a wednesday in 8ad |
| 23:19.11 | treke | :p |
| 23:19.14 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:25.34 | pb_ | are you planning to attend, then? |
| 23:26.27 | treke | considering |
| 23:26.50 | treke | looking at flight prices |
| 23:27.30 | pb_ | could check what jacques paid, I think he's flying there from California. |
| 23:32.43 | pb_ | hah |
| 23:32.52 | pb_ | "As far as I'm informed, you're currently building the package opie-multimedia-fb |
| 23:32.52 | pb_ | in version 1.0.1.1snapshot20030828-3." |
| 23:32.58 | pb_ | fat chance of that :-) |
| 23:37.24 | treke | pb_: At the prices I'm seeing so far, I dont think I'll be attending |
| 23:37.59 | pb_ | treke: ah, too bad |
| 23:38.28 | pb_ | wow, is that what it costs? |
| 23:38.41 | treke | unless I'm filling out these forms wrong :) |
| 23:39.22 | pb_ | heh. London to Boston return is usually about $400, though it varies a bit with the time of year. |
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| 23:39.55 | treke | I've got to be doing something wrong here :) |
| 23:50.20 | chouimat | pb_: montreal ->. prague costed me 1240cad |
| 23:51.24 | pb_ | chouimat: oh, that's not bad. I think I paid about 1400CAD for London-Ottawa earlier this year. |
| 23:51.52 | chouimat | pb_: august is fairly expensive |
| 23:52.14 | pb_ | yeah, I was travelling in July, which I guess is expensive too. |
| 23:52.37 | chouimat | pb_: after sept 11th is less expensive until decemberr |
| 23:54.06 | pb_ | oh, in fact it was even more than that. turns out I paid 710GBP, which is 1545CAD at today's exchange rate. |
| 23:54.39 | chouimat | yup GBP is fairly expensive |
| 23:56.34 | ljp | <PROTECTED> |