| 00:00.35 | kergoth | make has higher priority to vars coming from the cmdline than those from the env |
| 00:00.40 | kergoth | env doesnt always override vars in teh amkefile |
| 00:00.46 | kergoth | theres a make option to make them do so though. |
| 00:00.57 | treke | Ah. |
| 00:01.04 | kergoth | i guess i'll do that, and let people 'unexport' vars that interfere with their builds |
| 00:01.13 | kergoth | sometimes you need their CFLAGS :) |
| 00:01.40 | treke | That's what didnt make sense. I couldnt figure out why it CC=gcc would work even though it was explicitly set in the make file :p |
| 00:01.50 | treke | so counter intuitive |
| 00:03.01 | kergoth | make has an order of precedence when it comes to variable set |
| 00:03.21 | treke | yeah, I get it now |
| 00:03.54 | treke | it's a weird prcedence |
| 00:04.05 | kergoth | damnit, i hate buildsystems that cant handle multi-word gcc. |
| 00:04.09 | kergoth | ccache blows them up |
| 00:04.29 | treke | create a shell script ccache? |
| 00:04.35 | kergoth | you can use a symlink |
| 00:04.42 | treke | CC=../../scripts/cc.wrapper |
| 00:04.44 | kergoth | if ccache is called as arm-linux-gcc, it'll call arm-linux-gcc |
| 00:05.04 | kergoth | but still, what a pain |
| 00:05.11 | kergoth | i'd rather patch the buildsystems to suck less |
| 00:05.26 | treke | an optimist |
| 00:07.41 | kergoth | /usr/bin/ccache -shared jcapimin.lo jcapistd.lo jctrans.lo jcparam.lo jdatadst.lo jcinit.lo jcmaster.lo jcmarker.lo jcmainct.lo jcprepct.lo jccoefct.lo jccolor.lo jcsample.lo jchuff.lo jcphuff.lo jcdctmgr.lo jfdctfst.lo jfdctflt.lo jfdctint.lo jdapimin.lo jdapistd.lo jdtrans.lo jdatasrc.lo jdmaster.lo jdinput.lo jdmarker.lo jdhuff.lo jdphuff.lo jdmainct.lo jdcoefct.lo jdpostct.lo jddctmgr.lo jidctfst.lo jidctflt.lo jidctint.lo |
| 00:07.48 | kergoth | stupid libtool |
| 00:07.51 | kergoth | time to add some host build tools to OE |
| 00:07.52 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:09.51 | treke | hehe |
| 00:10.01 | gb2 | kergoth: i generally add a ccache dir filled with symlinks to the front of my path |
| 00:10.23 | treke | I havent touched OE for a while |
| 00:10.31 | treke | I failed miserably at getting a build to work |
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| 00:16.26 | kergoth | gb2: could do that, but it seems so .. hackish |
| 00:17.42 | gb2 | works well though *shrug* |
| 00:19.05 | treke | too bad it would be a bitch to write |
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| 00:21.59 | gb2 | phone crap? |
| 00:22.16 | gb2 | hm. wonder how hard it'd be to write a driver for that USB Host CF device |
| 00:22.49 | treke | gb2: stupid stuff for managing a phone switch. Creating auth codes, voice mailboxes, phones |
| 00:29.15 | kergoth | k, pushed the CONFIG_SITE bits |
| 00:30.56 | kergoth | anyone know offhand wher ethe sources to apt-get are? |
| 00:34.16 | treke | probably on ftp.debian.org :p |
| 00:35.01 | ljp | source for apt-get is under the DMCA and not available |
| 00:35.29 | ljp | it's closed source-open source |
| 00:35.50 | ljp | damn, I'm fruckin witty today |
| 00:36.15 | treke | oh, so alan cox maintains it? |
| 00:36.23 | treke | bastard |
| 00:36.43 | W8TVI | from death |
| 00:38.26 | ljp | ?? |
| 00:43.10 | treke | ljp: A while back he made a changed and added to the change log that he could not disclose what he fixed due to the dmca |
| 00:49.22 | gb2 | there, pizza in oven. |
| 00:49.37 | kergoth | hmmmmm pizza |
| 00:50.05 | gb2 | my mom did all the work while she was here |
| 00:50.05 | kergoth | indeed. |
| 00:50.09 | gb2 | lump of dough in fridge |
| 00:50.12 | kergoth | hey, maybe nows the time to make papajohns.oe |
| 00:50.12 | gb2 | cheese |
| 00:50.15 | gb2 | pepperoni |
| 00:50.16 | gb2 | :) |
| 00:50.49 | gb2 | i also have the pie she made me. |
| 00:50.54 | kergoth | nice |
| 00:51.23 | treke | hopefully your mother is a better cook than mine |
| 00:51.36 | gb2 | i still feel kinda bad my vacation overlapped completely with the time she was here. |
| 00:53.25 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:53.41 | kergoth | we need to establish procedures for handling distributionisms in oe packages |
| 00:53.54 | kergoth | i.e. to deal with packaging differences due to outputting a redhat-like vs debian-like distro |
| 00:54.22 | treke | #idfed __CRAP_DISTRO_ |
| 00:54.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:54.27 | treke | #endif |
| 01:05.13 | gb2 | <treke> #idfed __CRAP_DISTRO_ |
| 01:05.13 | gb2 | <kergoth> hehe |
| 01:05.13 | gb2 | <treke> #endif |
| 01:05.14 | gb2 | heh |
| 01:05.22 | gb2 | if you have a crap distro, kergoth laughs at you |
| 01:05.31 | treke | ha |
| 01:06.51 | treke | gb2: Uninstall all the usb related stuff on you c760 |
| 01:07.01 | treke | gb2: Suspends a whole hell of a lot faster |
| 01:08.44 | gb2 | treke: the usb gadget stuff? |
| 01:08.53 | gb2 | or is the usb stuff on there by default other stuff |
| 01:09.01 | treke | usb-modules* and usbd-common |
| 01:09.20 | gb2 | sounds like the right thing is to fix those ;) |
| 01:09.50 | treke | In theory |
| 01:10.05 | treke | In practice they dont work and they add an extra ten seconds to suspend time |
| 01:14.08 | gb2 | is that the usb-gadget driver? or is that some other usb device driver? |
| 01:14.29 | treke | usb gadget driver, but not the new one |
| 01:14.47 | gb2 | is the new one bette? |
| 01:15.09 | treke | in theory. In practice it hasnt been tried :p |
| 01:15.39 | gb2 | heh |
| 01:16.14 | gb2 | it still shouldn't take ages to suspend |
| 01:17.03 | treke | Until someone fixes usb, that's the way it's gonna be :p |
| 01:17.27 | treke | the big delay is waiting for the usb modules to unload |
| 01:28.03 | gb2 | heh |
| 01:38.35 | ljp | in case anyone is interested... qt embedded snapshot from 09/04 has that leftie scrollbar patch |
| 01:47.30 | kergoth`bbl | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe/packages/tmp/base/glibc-2.3.2-r0/glibc-2.3.2' |
| 01:47.33 | kergoth`bbl | Makerules:50: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 01:47.35 | kergoth`bbl | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe/packages/tmp/base/glibc-2.3.2-r0/glibc-2.3.2' |
| 01:47.39 | kergoth`bbl | grr. |
| 01:47.52 | kergoth`bbl | ifeq ($(PATH),$(oPATH)) |
| 01:47.52 | kergoth`bbl | You must not use the -e flag when building the GNU C library. |
| 01:47.52 | kergoth`bbl | else |
| 01:47.54 | kergoth`bbl | ah |
| 01:47.55 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 01:55.12 | ljp | seperator schmeperator |
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| 02:02.58 | *** topic/#OPENEMBEDDED by kergoth`bbl -> OpenEmbedded/OpenZaurus developer lounge | User support in #openzaurus, #openembedded-ipaq, and (if applicable) #opie | OE now supplies configure test results, please take a look and start migrating OZ packages over. |
| 02:03.43 | ljp | links is cool |
| 02:04.38 | treke | haleil.... |
| 02:04.54 | treke | fuck it, I couldnt spell it if my life depended on it |
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| 02:06.48 | kergoth | ../linuxthreads/sysdeps/pthread/posix-timer.h:101: error: array subscript is not an integer |
| 02:06.51 | kergoth | bleh |
| 02:07.00 | kergoth | ~lart glibc 2.3.2 build |
| 02:14.55 | gb2 | 3.3.2? |
| 02:15.01 | gb2 | oh |
| 02:15.03 | gb2 | glibc |
| 02:15.04 | gb2 | not gcc |
| 02:20.11 | ljp | gliPc |
| 02:23.18 | ljp | hmm.. permission denied, my ass |
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| 03:08.02 | kergoth | hmm, drinking |
| 03:08.10 | treke|home | drinking and pizza |
| 03:08.12 | treke|home | sounds likea plan |
| 03:11.08 | gb2 | the three P's |
| 03:11.11 | gb2 | Pizza |
| 03:11.12 | gb2 | Patio |
| 03:11.14 | gb2 | Beer |
| 03:11.22 | treke|home | hahaha |
| 03:11.57 | gb2 | that was an Ad for a pizza place i saw on Leno's Headlines |
| 03:12.11 | ljp | hmm,.. food coma again |
| 03:12.30 | treke|home | breakfast? |
| 03:12.35 | ljp | lunch |
| 03:12.43 | treke|home | Beer, it's not just for breakfast anymore |
| 03:12.43 | ljp | its 13:10 here |
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| 03:19.14 | W8TVI | ok... lets see if this proxy works... |
| 03:20.58 | kergoth | treke|home: what feature? |
| 03:21.35 | treke|home | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 03:21.48 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:22.15 | kergoth | ~/coding/projects/user/oe/packages$ echo "pester tim about ROOOOOOOT blootbot crap" | mail kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 03:22.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:22.21 | kergoth | k, i'll ask him tomorrow |
| 03:22.43 | treke|home | hehehe |
| 03:22.47 | W8TVI | heh |
| 03:24.54 | treke|home | ibot oz buildroot |
| 03:24.55 | | methinks oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 03:24.56 | kergoth | haha |
| 03:24.57 | kergoth | treke|home: |
| 03:24.59 | kergoth | 22:26 < wli> I swear, McVoy's spewing so much vapor it should be a violation of |
| 03:25.03 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.17 | treke|home | ha |
| 03:25.22 | treke|home | what did mcvoy say? |
| 03:25.35 | kergoth | dunno, i'm not on lkml anymore, outta the loop |
| 03:26.07 | treke|home | someone who should stay the fuck away from users |
| 03:27.30 | kergoth | agreed |
| 03:28.40 | treke|home | when he threatened to break interoperability with any bitkeeper client people managed to write |
| 03:30.06 | gb2 | athe big thread on l-k seems to be this "Scaling noise" thread |
| 03:30.20 | gb2 | seems to be a clustering thread |
| 03:31.16 | gb2 | hmm.. definately full of vapor |
| 03:34.02 | W8TVI | cool |
| 03:34.04 | W8TVI | it works |
| 03:34.22 | W8TVI | and I didn't miss anything |
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| 03:37.43 | ljp | colorgcc rules, also |
| 03:39.43 | ljp | I really must figure out why opie cvs nonanon times out on this machine |
| 03:40.46 | treke|home | trolltech is sabotaging opie development |
| 03:40.57 | kergoth | bastards |
| 03:41.00 | ljp | no, cause I can do it from my lappie here |
| 03:41.14 | ljp | just not the super-dooper box |
| 03:41.39 | treke|home | > But making very little money off of it. I'd love to get revenue numbers |
| 03:41.39 | treke|home | > as a function of time for >8 processor SMP boxes. I'll bet my left nut |
| 03:41.39 | treke|home | > that the numbers are going down. |
| 03:41.39 | treke|home | A tempting offer. Make it a legally binding written document, and I'm sure |
| 03:41.39 | treke|home | I can go get them for you ;-) |
| 03:41.45 | ljp | I should repartition the dual cpu windows box and throw linux on it |
| 03:42.31 | ljp | yup. I think I should |
| 03:42.50 | ljp | put those cpus to some good use |
| 03:45.33 | ljp | opie HEAD doesn;t like me |
| 03:45.50 | treke|home | It is in good company |
| 03:46.28 | ljp | colorcvs is nice also |
| 03:46.56 | ljp | I will ignore that remark |
| 03:48.18 | kergoth | thats okay, i'm sure he has plenty of other remarks where that one came from |
| 03:49.23 | treke|home | particularly " <insert detailed description of .oe file format here> |
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| 03:49.39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:49.42 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 03:49.45 | Speedy2 | re |
| 03:51.04 | gb2 | treke: atleast it has a well organized TODO |
| 03:53.20 | treke|home | kergoth: if I'm reading this right, I should just need to set DISTRO, MACHINE, ARCH, and OS in my local.conf, right? |
| 03:53.27 | kergoth | i changed that |
| 03:53.30 | kergoth | we now have defaults |
| 03:53.39 | kergoth | by default BUILD_ARCH and BUILD_OS come from uname |
| 03:53.47 | kergoth | and OS is BUILD_OS, and ARCH is BUILD_ARCH |
| 03:53.51 | treke|home | and ARCH and OS come from the same place. Apparently |
| 03:53.53 | kergoth | if you're crosscopmiling, just set ARCH |
| 03:54.24 | treke|home | how about distro? |
| 03:54.28 | gb2 | hmm |
| 03:54.31 | kergoth | nothing obeys it yet anyway |
| 03:54.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:54.35 | kergoth | same with MACHINE |
| 03:54.55 | treke|home | whoohoo |
| 03:55.33 | ljp | wow. yer leet, now |
| 03:55.38 | kergoth | oebuild <command> <oefile> is the syntax |
| 03:55.41 | kergoth | both are optional |
| 03:55.44 | kergoth | default command is build |
| 03:55.51 | kergoth | default oefile is the first .oe it finds in teh current dir |
| 03:56.05 | kergoth | oemake [oefiles ...] is its syntax |
| 03:56.15 | ljp | ahh there we go CVS_RSH wasnt set |
| 03:56.18 | kergoth | default is all the .oe files in the current dir |
| 03:56.59 | kergoth | i really need to make some man pages |
| 03:57.24 | gb2 | does this do buildrooting? |
| 03:57.33 | kergoth | it builds packages |
| 03:57.39 | kergoth | image creation is sorta done |
| 03:57.51 | gb2 | how does it handle build dependencies? |
| 03:58.06 | kergoth | oemake follows deps |
| 03:58.16 | kergoth | using the DEPENDS var |
| 03:58.37 | treke|home | ljp: hate whan that happens |
| 03:58.39 | gb2 | if i have foo which depends on libbar |
| 03:58.46 | gb2 | it presumably builds and installs libbar somewhere |
| 03:58.54 | kergoth | it uses a staging area |
| 03:58.56 | gb2 | ah |
| 03:58.57 | gb2 | ok |
| 03:58.57 | kergoth | same way buildroot handles it |
| 03:59.22 | kergoth | oebuild is for executing tasks on a single package without following deps |
| 04:00.18 | ljp | this knoppix sdk cd is gonna be kick ass |
| 04:00.19 | kergoth | much much cleaner than SUBDIRS :) |
| 04:00.34 | gb2 | this sounds a lot cleaner than buildroot |
| 04:00.41 | gb2 | but sounds like it has more black magic |
| 04:00.43 | treke|home | OEPATH should point to OEDIR? |
| 04:00.52 | kergoth | OEPATH by default _is_ OEDIR |
| 04:01.02 | kergoth | but it lets you expand the search path for classes and the like |
| 04:01.22 | kergoth | eventually i'll kill OEDIR completely and just make everything follow OEPATH |
| 04:01.22 | treke|home | ah |
| 04:01.25 | kergoth | its almost there now |
| 04:01.33 | treke|home | now |
| 04:01.33 | gb2 | i've been working toward building a router, but it's based on uclibc built with the uclibc buildroot sofar |
| 04:01.34 | treke|home | now it works |
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| 04:04.57 | gb2 | converting the multistage gcc/uclibc build i suspect would be tricky |
| 04:05.48 | treke|home | start easy and work my way up |
| 04:05.53 | gb2 | heh |
| 04:07.34 | ljp | how long before this thing runs opie? http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5596263538.html |
| 04:08.54 | treke|home | checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 04:09.05 | treke|home | did kergoth forget to push? |
| 04:10.16 | gb2 | kergoth: how will this handle stuff like alternate dependencies? |
| 04:10.20 | gb2 | like uclibc vs. glibc |
| 04:11.59 | ljp | that bus is running Qt/e |
| 04:12.17 | treke|home | remind me not to ride on it |
| 04:15.42 | ljp | best bus you'd ever ride |
| 04:17.25 | kergoth | gb2: it supports PROVIDES |
| 04:17.36 | kergoth | most apps depend on virtual/libc |
| 04:17.40 | kergoth | which is provided by c libraries |
| 04:17.52 | gb2 | i noticed stuff depending on libc6 |
| 04:17.57 | kergoth | remember, its based on portage. if gentoo can handle it, so can this. |
| 04:18.02 | gb2 | looking through the packages |
| 04:18.16 | treke|home | kergoth: that doesnt inspire confidence |
| 04:18.16 | kergoth | then they need changing. |
| 04:18.18 | gb2 | which i guess could just be out of date |
| 04:18.21 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:18.24 | gb2 | k. |
| 04:18.37 | kergoth | err |
| 04:18.40 | kergoth | none of them reference libc6. |
| 04:18.49 | kergoth | only in RDEPENDS, which is runtime. aka ipkg dependency |
| 04:19.46 | gb2 | oh |
| 04:19.58 | kergoth | DEPENDS is build dependency |
| 04:20.01 | gb2 | still seems incorrect though |
| 04:20.06 | kergoth | RDEPENDS is distro specific. |
| 04:20.08 | gb2 | ah |
| 04:20.09 | kergoth | DEPENDS is not. |
| 04:20.20 | kergoth | right now we only have one set of distributionisms, thats OZs |
| 04:20.24 | kergoth | debian based |
| 04:20.38 | kergoth | but it neednt stay locked into those |
| 04:21.00 | gb2 | how would one support multiple ones then with RDEPENDS potentially needing to change? |
| 04:21.27 | kergoth | we'd need RPROVIDES of libc in the c lib packaging |
| 04:21.31 | kergoth | and RDEPENDS on libc in the packages |
| 04:21.56 | kergoth | nothing very complex. right now in OZ everything depends on libc6 directly |
| 04:22.18 | gb2 | so it would basically involve sprinkling virtual packages in? |
| 04:22.22 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:22.33 | gb2 | ok. |
| 04:22.34 | kergoth | mickeyl started on uclibc bits |
| 04:22.37 | kergoth | not sure how far he got |
| 04:22.38 | gb2 | brain full now. |
| 04:22.45 | gb2 | time for bed. |
| 04:22.49 | kergoth | night |
| 04:31.46 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 04:32.22 | treke|home | looking at libjpg it doesnt seem like i need to explicitly set the version variable and con use $(PV), but it doesnt seem to be defined |
| 04:32.42 | kergoth | oe.conf defines default PN, PV, PR, and CATEGORY |
| 04:32.48 | treke|home | nm |
| 04:32.51 | kergoth | then filename can define it |
| 04:32.54 | kergoth | then .oe itself can set it |
| 04:32.55 | treke|home | it's ${} not $() |
| 04:33.00 | kergoth | ah, yeah |
| 04:44.33 | ljp | gen.pro is missing from 1_0 branch |
| 04:44.44 | kergoth | .. |
| 04:44.49 | kergoth | its called gen.pro for a reason |
| 04:45.18 | ljp | hmmm |
| 04:45.27 | kergoth | gen(erated).pro |
| 04:45.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:45.43 | ljp | well however it is it aint getting made properly from a fresh co |
| 04:46.06 | ljp | unless I am just an idiot |
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| 05:17.27 | heatxsink | hello all |
| 05:18.17 | treke|home | kergoth: hehe, I just looked through my mail folders, and apparently I've been on zaurus-general for a year now even though i just got a zaurus :p |
| 05:23.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:24.38 | W8TVI | lol |
| 05:24.51 | W8TVI | I was on it for about 6 months before |
| 05:25.07 | treke|home | it was the best place for qpe news |
| 05:25.17 | W8TVI | that reminds me... I need to get my e-mail |
| 05:25.37 | treke|home | I was on qpe-devel for 6 months before that |
| 05:26.41 | treke|home | and the familiar list for a year before that |
| 05:28.35 | treke|home | looks like schurig has been at this stuff for a while |
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| 05:46.12 | heatxsink | hell all |
| 05:46.15 | heatxsink | haha |
| 05:46.18 | heatxsink | hello all |
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| 10:27.03 | mickeyl | hi schurig |
| 10:27.16 | mickeyl | did you implement SYSRQ for ramses? |
| 10:30.07 | schurig | mickeyl: no, I didn |
| 10:30.09 | schurig | 't |
| 10:30.28 | mickeyl | mmh |
| 10:30.37 | schurig | BTW. the ascii string where you said "I don't knwo for what it is" is a very simple scancode<->ascii converter |
| 10:31.07 | schurig | mickeyl: why do you need SYSRQ? For debugging? |
| 10:31.35 | mickeyl | schurig: we need that on c7x0, because there isn't a possibility to reset the device except doing the battery in/out game |
| 10:31.50 | mickeyl | so I'm going to implement sysrq |
| 10:32.07 | schurig | corgi_sysrq_xlate[scancode] returns the ascii char, scancode being a scancode of a PC101 keyboard |
| 10:32.35 | mickeyl | i see - so that may need adaption to the real scancodes |
| 10:32.40 | mickeyl | of a corgi keyboard |
| 10:32.47 | schurig | mickeyl: btw, today I've put my ramses kernel patches into BK ... |
| 10:33.11 | mickeyl | schurig: ah that's nice. which bk? |
| 10:33.26 | schurig | OZ, is there any other working one? |
| 10:33.52 | mickeyl | well... there is linux-cl and of course the official linus one ;) |
| 10:33.54 | schurig | (after Kergoth made so many changes to OE, I've got confused and didn't have the time to understand how it's now working and what works) |
| 10:34.02 | mickeyl | ha really? |
| 10:34.16 | mickeyl | he seems wanting to switch real soon |
| 10:34.38 | schurig | what's "linux-cl" ? |
| 10:34.48 | mickeyl | linux-ChrisLarson |
| 10:34.54 | schurig | i haven't talked to kergoth for quite some time ... |
| 10:34.57 | mickeyl | k |
| 10:35.10 | mickeyl | the next combined OZ kernel for all OZ-capable devices... |
| 10:35.16 | mickeyl | (except ipaq maybe...) |
| 10:35.20 | mickeyl | going for lunch |
| 10:35.21 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 10:35.28 | schurig | Guten Appetit |
| 10:36.32 | mickeyl|lunch | danke |
| 10:39.06 | Twiun | hey schurig, mickeyl |
| 10:39.23 | Twiun | schurig: kergoth keeps missing you too |
| 10:42.47 | schurig | Twiun: hi 2u2 |
| 10:43.28 | schurig | Twiun: no, because I dislike Texas (I was once there for a week, it was quite boring. Even a texanian lady didn't know where the nice spots of the country would have been) |
| 10:43.53 | schurig | hmm, even Carlsberg Caverns is already New Mexico :-) |
| 10:45.01 | Twiun | hehe |
| 10:49.26 | schurig | Twiun: how's it going on your side? I haven't seen any bk push from you recently. Everything O.K. ? |
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| 10:57.01 | Twiun | schurig: yeah, just started a new job and reprioritising my OS projects |
| 10:57.26 | Twiun | schurig: I'm just spread too thin atm |
| 11:08.44 | schurig | Is the job good? |
| 11:09.43 | Twiun | monkey development, but it's paying the rent |
| 11:09.51 | Twiun | ... or will do when I get paid at the end of the month |
| 11:11.23 | schurig | Hmm, what the meaning of "monkey development"? I don't know that phrase |
| 11:11.38 | schurig | surely you don't develop Ape's :-) |
| 11:15.23 | Twiun | never heard of "monkey see, monkey do?" it basically means development where a brain is a superfluous extra |
| 11:17.48 | schurig | Twiun: no. You don't learn much phrases when you learn a foreign language in school. And I havent read too many english story books (just some John Le Carre, Parts of the Bible and all Harry Potter). And in O'Reilly books this isn't included either ... |
| 11:18.48 | Twiun | schurig: what you need is some dev time in the UK :) |
| 11:19.03 | Twiun | schurig: all the bitching/moaning would be so instructiv |
| 11:19.47 | Twiun | irc is also an education all in itself |
| 11:20.54 | schurig | hehe, |
| 11:22.44 | schurig | I was 2 or 3 times in Carlisle for development, a week each. Unfortunately, I developed there together with a Swiss Guy and one from the Netherlands. There was also one from the States there, but he wasn't much of a developer, we used him as guinea pig to test out our works :-) |
| 11:22.57 | Twiun | rofl |
| 11:23.25 | schurig | ahh, so is live then you work for an international christian missionary organisation :-) |
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| 11:25.35 | Twiun | schurig: they get you to travel often? |
| 11:25.40 | Twiun | hey SuKoSh| |
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| 11:39.21 | prh | schurig: who do you work for? |
| 11:39.43 | prh | Twiun: where are you? |
| 11:42.25 | Twiun | prh: London |
| 11:42.29 | Twiun | prh: you? |
| 11:42.41 | prh | Twiun: London :O) |
| 11:42.55 | prh | Work in Mitcham, live in Coulsdon |
| 11:43.12 | prh | wonder if we should have a London OZfest |
| 11:43.13 | Twiun | I work in Bond street, living in Woolwich |
| 11:43.39 | prh | cool |
| 11:43.49 | Twiun | we could definately meet up with others in london |
| 11:45.53 | schurig | prh: now for a normal company, but I worked 5 years in OM (http://www.om.org) |
| 11:46.26 | prh | excellent! |
| 11:46.38 | schurig | Twiun: yeah, from time to time. My basis was in germany, But I was in UK, Belgium, Netherlands, Swiss, Czech, USA, Austria, Singapur and Malaysia |
| 11:46.45 | prh | OM do lots of good work |
| 11:47.13 | Twiun | schurig: I got sick of travelling with one of my old jobs... I was commuting weekly to rotterdam |
| 11:47.31 | prh | rottendam? |
| 11:47.45 | Twiun | schurig: and antwerp :) |
| 11:47.52 | schurig | Twiun: it was not too bad. Remember, I worked 5 years there. So I had two or three months in between my travels. |
| 11:48.39 | mickeyl | schurig: are your patches totally RAMSES-specific or would anything be useful for our pxa-boards? |
| 11:49.03 | schurig | mickeyl: some might be useful, some not. I keep usually one-task-in-one *.patch file |
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| 11:51.31 | mickeyl | schurig: do you have a description? |
| 11:52.43 | schurig | mickeyl: at the top of the patches are descriptions, aren't they? |
| 11:52.58 | mickeyl | okay, great. |
| 11:53.12 | mickeyl | fb-kopfstand |
| 11:53.15 | mickeyl | love that name :) |
| 11:53.43 | schurig | mickeyl: the only patch that is not made by me, but by Paul (a co-worker of us). Rotates the text framebuffer console by 180 degrees |
| 12:28.45 | schurig | does anybody here knows how I can transform a relative path to an absolute? Problem: makefile or shell |
| 12:28.56 | schurig | e.g. I need to transform ../test.txt into /home/schurig/test.txt |
| 12:28.58 | absentia | yes |
| 12:29.23 | schurig | and I don't want to call perl or python for this :-) |
| 12:29.38 | absentia | oh. ok. have fun. :-) |
| 12:30.18 | schurig | absentia: and, would you have done it in perl? |
| 12:30.39 | absentia | well, I have already done it in perl, over a decade ago |
| 12:30.50 | absentia | my issue, though, was that I wanted to find the TRUE absolute path, so I walk the path down from / |
| 12:30.59 | absentia | following symlinks and substituting (and counting symlinks) |
| 12:31.14 | absentia | so not only do I get an absolute path, but I get one without symlinks |
| 12:31.34 | absentia | sometimes .. is not the same from either direction. |
| 12:31.53 | absentia | that is, I can cd /path/down/to/my/home, and then cd .. and df -k and I'm no where near /path/down/to/my |
| 12:31.59 | schurig | absentia: "man realpath" |
| 12:32.13 | schurig | claims to expand symlinks |
| 12:32.25 | absentia | nice |
| 12:32.34 | absentia | since I don't program C, I didn't know of that. |
| 12:33.18 | schurig | absentia: ah, I found abs_path() in Perl's Cwd.pm module. So I guess I HAVE to call it via Perl ... |
| 12:34.43 | absentia | schilling [3877]> csl /system/users/scott/. |
| 12:34.43 | absentia | LINK /system/users/scott --> /system/users/home/scott |
| 12:34.43 | absentia | LINK /system/users --> /system/cbkna/users |
| 12:34.43 | absentia | LINK /system --> /opt/system |
| 12:34.43 | absentia | LINK /system/users/home --> /system/users/nfs |
| 12:34.43 | absentia | LINK /opt --> /disks/disk1/opt |
| 12:34.45 | absentia | LINK /system/users/nfs --> /a/home |
| 12:34.47 | absentia | LINK /a/home --> /nfs/kwanza/lfs/disk2/home |
| 12:34.50 | absentia | "/system/users/scott/." uses 7 symlinks which are referenced 15 times |
| 12:34.52 | absentia | Path without symlinks --> /nfs/kwanza/lfs/disk2/home/scott/. |
| 12:35.02 | liyang | Quickie: does anyone know (and aren't under an NDA) how to decrypt updater.sh for flashing the Zaurus? |
| 12:35.28 | schurig | absentia: no "csl" here on my box |
| 12:35.37 | absentia | I think ... if you go past 32 symlink refs... things tend to break... like you can't find programs in your path, etc. |
| 12:35.41 | absentia | csl is something I wrote. |
| 12:35.42 | absentia | it |
| 12:35.49 | absentia | is very NASTY perl code, but I think it works. |
| 12:35.53 | prh | liyang: sasha worked it out... |
| 12:36.10 | absentia | hmmm. no date in the file. but I know it's pre '95 |
| 12:36.17 | prh | erm he put his decoder online... |
| 12:36.56 | absentia | look at this news headline: KILLER OF ABORTION 'KILLER' KILLED... |
| 12:42.00 | schurig | ok, for directory this works for me: perl -e 'use Cwd; print Cwd::realpath($$ENV{STAGING_DIR}), "\n";' |
| 12:42.08 | schurig | inside a Makefile |
| 12:44.57 | absentia | yes |
| 12:44.59 | absentia | very nice. |
| 12:47.32 | liyang | prh: sorry, my Google skills aren't working today. Could you post me a link? |
| 12:58.19 | prh | I did try to find on. hmm might have a bookmark |
| 13:01.02 | prh | liyang: http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/encsh.c |
| 13:01.40 | prh | liyang: see also cacko.biz |
| 13:01.53 | prh | cacko.biz/files |
| 13:02.58 | prh | liyang: Ahhh - http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/encsh.c |
| 13:03.09 | prh | liyang: doh. http://cacko.biz/~sash/slc7x0/ |
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| 13:23.19 | liyang | prh: ta! muchos gracas. |
| 13:23.51 | liyang | So it's just a simple substitution. What _were_ they thinking of? |
| 13:25.24 | prh | dunno - and I can't really see any point in it either |
| 13:25.32 | prh | it's not usecure or useful... |
| 13:25.53 | liyang | just to irritate developers? |
| 13:28.20 | liyang | Now I can use the B500 image... :) |
| 13:30.40 | liyang | (I did use updater.sh from OZ, which didn't whinge about `invalid models', but it didn't quite work -- /home either wasn't being mounted or wasn't being populated: it kept looping at the `Wait 5...' countdown and `Please wait 2 minutes' |
| 13:31.24 | liyang | (Yes, the Japanese model says 2 minutes, not 1. Not quite sure why... :) |
| 13:35.44 | liyang | (ah yes. /home wasn't being extracted. It's good to know what's going on... :) |
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| 13:43.09 | icefox | hey there, attemped to build qtopia from the ground up today. Do I build it against qt-2.3.2 and ship it with qte-2.3.6? When I try to build it against qte-2.3.6 it fails becaue uic isn't built (of course). |
| 13:46.50 | icefox | qtopia of course requires uic, but uic doesn't build with qte... |
| 13:53.03 | mickeyl | icefox: just grab a static uic and put it in $QTDIR/bin |
| 13:54.31 | icefox | ok |
| 13:54.41 | icefox | is that what everyone does? |
| 13:54.51 | mickeyl | sure |
| 13:54.58 | icefox | anyone report this issue to TT? |
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| 13:55.26 | mickeyl | nothing to report. uic can't build because it requires the full qt config. that is inherent |
| 13:55.49 | icefox | yah, but following the build instrutions for Qtopia fail because of that |
| 13:56.00 | icefox | the build instructions should make a note or something... |
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| 13:58.39 | icefox | right? |
| 13:59.28 | Twiun | feel free to add stuff to the buildroot docs |
| 13:59.36 | icefox | ok :D |
| 14:00.15 | icefox | first I'll actually build it all to make sure the steps work |
| 14:00.43 | liyang | (sorry if you get this twice...) Has anyone a SL5600 and a clean/new-ish /home partition (that they could possible tar up and send me? ^_^;) |
| 14:03.07 | schurig | mickeyl: and, found some useful patch? |
| 14:07.11 | icefox | what is the difference between make sub-src and just regular old make in qte? |
| 14:07.56 | liyang | (please?) |
| 14:08.11 | icefox | please? |
| 14:08.43 | liyang | Erm, I need a dump of /home on a 5600... My copy's at home and I can't wait that long. ^_^; |
| 14:09.05 | liyang | (or /root/.home_default.tar) |
| 14:10.02 | schurig | icefox: make also makes all the tools, examples, tutorials etc |
| 14:10.11 | schurig | icefox: just do a "less Makefile" to find out |
| 14:10.54 | schurig | icefox: make sub-src compiles just the Qt3 library |
| 14:11.03 | icefox | thanks. |
| 14:11.07 | icefox | hmm |
| 14:11.11 | schurig | or qt2 |
| 14:11.42 | mickeyl | schurig: didn't browse yet |
| 14:11.48 | mickeyl | schurig: "real work" to do here :) |
| 14:17.33 | schurig | mickeyl: do you know any math package for Linux that is GPL/BSD and know symbolic math, too? |
| 14:17.49 | icefox | I wish Qtopia had the polish of Qt |
| 14:17.58 | icefox | haha maybe this is what it is like for gtk developers haha |
| 14:20.36 | liyang | schurig: http://yacas.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| 14:26.32 | schurig | liyang: will try this out |
| 14:34.03 | mickeyl | schurig: libgmp ? |
| 14:34.24 | schurig | mickeyl: nö, yacal was the solution. Already solved my problem. |
| 14:34.27 | mickeyl | k |
| 14:34.36 | schurig | I need something symbolic, where I could solve a function :-) |
| 14:34.49 | schurig | boy, is it long ago that I used MuPad on CP/M ... |
| 14:34.56 | schurig | or was it mumath? Forgotten. |
| 14:35.06 | schurig | back in the old Apple ][ days :-) |
| 14:36.01 | mickeyl | and later Amiga of course |
| 14:40.18 | gb2 | mmm.. amiga |
| 14:40.30 | mickeyl | schurig: you touched pppd the last time, right? ;) |
| 14:40.42 | mickeyl | schurig: it doesn't compile/install in buildroot because it needs root privilegs. |
| 14:40.55 | mickeyl | make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/local/projects/openzaurus/build/ppp-2.4.2+20030811.orig/pppd/plugins' |
| 14:40.55 | mickeyl | install -o root -d /usr/local/projects/openzaurus/build/ipktemp/ppp-2.4.2+20030811-5/usr/lib/pppd/2.4.2b3 |
| 14:40.55 | mickeyl | install: kann Besitzer und/oder Gruppe von »/usr/local/projects/openzaurus/build/ipktemp/ppp-2.4.2+20030811-5/usr/lib« nicht ändern.: Operation not permitted |
| 14:40.55 | mickeyl | make[3]: *** [install] Fehler 1 |
| 14:42.03 | Twiun | raise your hand if you know what "shortcut evaluation" means in programming... |
| 14:43.27 | mickeyl | *raise* |
| 14:43.37 | mickeyl | boolean algebra |
| 14:43.53 | liyang | What's the key to press at the `Wait ...' prompt to get a login? |
| 14:44.04 | Twiun | mickeyl: You'd think an architect would know it.. right? |
| 14:44.12 | mickeyl | Twiun: never. |
| 14:44.23 | Twiun | mickeyl: software architect that is |
| 14:45.00 | mickeyl | Twiun: ah. well... shortcut evaluation is something very practical. it is disputable if you should know it when you _design_ software, not _implement_ software. |
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| 14:46.39 | schurig | mickeyl: but I did not add the -o root. |
| 14:46.47 | Twiun | mickeyl: granted. I suppose I always expect software architects to have at least started as developers |
| 14:47.16 | schurig | mickeyl: hmm, pppd would work perfectly without those libs, I guess. Do you fix or should I fix? |
| 14:47.43 | mickeyl | schurig: please do |
| 14:47.54 | schurig | Twiun: software architecture is paperwork for people that can't code |
| 14:48.12 | schurig | hmm, not really ... but I saw such people |
| 14:48.16 | mickeyl | schurig: thanks for console-tools btw., became very important for us on c7x0 |
| 14:48.35 | schurig | mickeyl: hehe, why? Keyboard? |
| 14:49.16 | Twiun | schurig: exactly - I personally like my architect to have an understanding of development |
| 14:49.27 | mickeyl | schurig: yup. i used scancode and loadkeys while developing patches |
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| 14:54.00 | bipolar | kergoth: ping |
| 14:55.12 | cyn | bipolar: ICMP Traffic dropped |
| 14:55.31 | bipolar | cyn: heh |
| 15:01.00 | Twiun | neither was I |
| 15:01.09 | icefox | :D |
| 15:01.23 | Twiun | take it in which ever way makes you happy :) |
| 15:01.52 | icefox | either way I wrote up a little report and sent it to TT on areas in the documentation that were very week and caused me confusion in building. Hopefully in the future others wont stumble on the same things. |
| 15:03.47 | Twiun | did you cc ljp? |
| 15:04.34 | icefox | hmm, nope, but that I will. Submited it via my work license (so they have to listen :) |
| 15:08.05 | Twiun | always a good idea |
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| 15:16.26 | Twiun | hey tim |
| 15:26.17 | kergoth | bipolar: pong |
| 15:26.25 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.38 | bipolar | kergoth: glad you're here. I'm back to working on the tslib issue. |
| 15:26.57 | bipolar | kergoth: did you get a chance to look into it after I left yesterday? |
| 15:27.11 | kergoth | no, i've been working on OE stuff |
| 15:27.20 | liyang | absentia: Ctrl+Alt+NumPadPlus/NumPadMinus |
| 15:27.39 | kergoth | brb, need a soda |
| 15:28.01 | bipolar | kergoth: gotchya. I'll see if I can figgure this out. After I get this last build out I'll start on the switch to OE. |
| 15:29.33 | absentia | liy: yup, thanks... any way to tell which res it's using? I'm getting scroll screens now.... I want the lrgest native res... ie: 1280x1024... vs 1024x768 |
| 15:31.17 | liyang | absentia: I'd look in your XF86Config ... |
| 15:31.38 | liyang | it might not think your monitor is up to doing 1280x1024 |
| 15:32.40 | icefox | ah, nothing like runing qpe's sys info on your desktop just to pretend that it is a pda with insane specs... |
| 15:33.09 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.11 | bipolar | icefox: lol |
| 15:33.13 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.13 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.44 | Twiun | kergoth: yo |
| 15:33.50 | bipolar | absentia: bare minium for a decent desktop... :p |
| 15:34.08 | kergoth | doh, forgot to write it again |
| 15:34.12 | cyn | I'm great with blurbs |
| 15:34.20 | kergoth | want to write one? :) |
| 15:34.26 | Twiun | GET HIM! |
| 15:34.29 | kergoth | we need a non-technical description of OpenEmbedded |
| 15:34.33 | cyn | I might as well donate somethin |
| 15:34.35 | cyn | oh of OE |
| 15:34.46 | kergoth | (note that its both a build infrastructure and distributions produced by said infrastructure in some cases) |
| 15:34.48 | cyn | well I've used it briefly is it still non-technical? |
| 15:34.48 | absentia | hell ya! 1600x1200 |
| 15:35.05 | cyn | absentia: say, nice 'pda' |
| 15:35.16 | kergoth | cyn: we want nontechnical, as this is for logo artists and/or marketing droids |
| 15:35.20 | Twiun | absentia: virtual screen? |
| 15:35.39 | cyn | wow the word build's gunna be there and your logo will have some animal holding a hammer kergoth |
| 15:35.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:36.00 | cyn | gg creativity! |
| 15:36.01 | mewyn | argh. i hate expedia |
| 15:37.05 | mewyn | they advertise the hotel i want to stay at under hotels, but require you to have a package. |
| 15:40.05 | cyn | I can see why you haven't written this, it's hard to dumb it down without relying on technical jargon |
| 15:40.17 | absentia | no, real monitor |
| 15:40.19 | cyn | it's like I'll need to dumb it down, then take that description and dumb it down |
| 15:40.25 | cyn | absentia: yeah i know, hence the '' |
| 15:40.30 | absentia | I tend not to prefer 1600x1200 unless I'm on a 21" .... but still, |
| 15:40.45 | absentia | work wants to dump ms on the desktop |
| 15:41.01 | kergoth | cyn: probably focus on its ability to produce a viable linux "base" for "embedded" products |
| 15:41.04 | kergoth | or something |
| 15:41.14 | absentia | so my desk now has 2ghz redhat + ximian desktop + crossover office & plugin, 2ghz redhat 9, 1ghz w2k and sun ultra 10 |
| 15:41.32 | Twiun | absentia: keeping you nice and warm? |
| 15:41.58 | treke | hmmm. I think it's safe to say plucke does not scale to large documents well |
| 15:42.05 | icefox | Twiun: you mean _seat_ warmer :) |
| 15:42.22 | kergoth | treke: heh. revert to tarball+konq? |
| 15:42.30 | treke | kergoth: Yup, |
| 15:42.41 | icefox | morning kergoth |
| 15:42.48 | kergoth | hey ben |
| 15:43.02 | Twiun | icefox: let's not go down into the gutter this early in the day :) |
| 15:43.07 | icefox | hehe |
| 15:43.55 | icefox | put the computer under you chair and let the heat keep you nice and toasty. Also extra warning for when it is overheating :) |
| 15:44.06 | icefox | brb |
| 15:48.54 | cyn | "it has been designed from the ground up" just slipped in |
| 15:51.07 | kergoth | *cough*we swiped classes from gentoo's portage and based our format on ebuilds*cough* |
| 15:53.15 | cyn | that's clearly too technical for this description and as such must be wholly omitted at this time kergoth |
| 15:54.30 | treke | yeah |
| 15:54.38 | treke | "we stole the code" is definitly too technical |
| 15:56.09 | bipolar | kergoth: libts.so needs to be installed on the Z for any of the tslib stuff to work, right? |
| 15:57.08 | Twiun | treke: using the power of OpenSource, we reused other people's code... |
| 15:57.18 | Twiun | treke: hrmm... still not good enough for joe public |
| 15:57.55 | treke | how about we "collaborated" with gentoo |
| 15:59.10 | Twiun | did we give anything back or even talk to them? |
| 16:01.38 | cyn | OpenEmbedded is a tool which allows developers to create a fully usable Linux base for various embedded systems. It has been designed to be able to handle different hardware architectures, support multiple releases for those architectures, and utilize tools for speeding up the process of recreating the base after changes have been made. Currently it can run on any Linux distribution, and plans are in place to allow it to work under Windo |
| 16:01.38 | cyn | ws. |
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| 16:01.50 | icefox | Does Qtopis support DND now? I am getting errors like: undefined symbol: _ZN7QWidget14dragEnterEventEP15QDragEnterEvent |
| 16:04.30 | Twiun | hrm... still too technical :) |
| 16:04.49 | Twiun | but it's a really good start |
| 16:06.44 | cyn | OpenEmbedded is a tool for developers on embedded systems. It's Open Source. Now make a logo or market it. |
| 16:06.51 | Twiun | ROFL |
| 16:06.52 | cyn | that's the final revision |
| 16:07.13 | cyn | I suppose 'open source' should definitely be in the blurb if its for marketing droid types |
| 16:07.28 | cyn | the 'runs on' prolly isn't neccessary for such types |
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| 16:11.20 | cyn | well I've hit a block for now, I'll have to poke at this again later |
| 16:11.32 | cyn | but if anyone can suggest any specific parts that are too technical in that - comments are welcome here or in /msg |
| 16:13.21 | Twiun | 'OpenEmbedded is a full-featured development environment empowering its users to target a wide variety of devices; embedded and otherwise' |
| 16:13.54 | absentia | hmmm |
| 16:14.02 | kergoth | empowering? |
| 16:14.16 | kergoth | god i hate buzzword speak |
| 16:14.17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:14.21 | absentia | my panel isn't coming up in redhat's default desktop (gnome? kde?) at 1600x1200 ... I wonder why that is. |
| 16:14.29 | Twiun | you did say marketing droids though |
| 16:14.33 | Twiun | they'll lap that up |
| 16:14.37 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:14.45 | kergoth | doesnt mean i have to like it :) |
| 16:14.46 | Twiun | full-featured as well |
| 16:14.59 | Twiun | development _platform_! |
| 16:15.10 | Twiun | nice ring to it |
| 16:15.22 | kergoth | hey there ya go |
| 16:16.33 | liyang | (fully-featured) |
| 16:16.47 | Twiun | liyang: well... it *will* be :) |
| 16:16.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:17.08 | yeiazel | fist fuck playa club :)) |
| 16:17.15 | kergoth | its still in development, but we want something that describes the project, more than its status |
| 16:17.33 | Twiun | "Under Construction" will suffice for status |
| 16:17.38 | prh | evening all |
| 16:17.42 | Twiun | wb prh |
| 16:18.22 | absentia | atrange... it's like the monitor can only do 1600 x 1024 ... :-/ |
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| 16:19.20 | kergoth | so schurig finally pushed all his ramses kernel patches into bk eh |
| 16:22.29 | cyn | yeah development platform is a much nicer way of describing it than environment, coz it's not *really* a development environment in the traditional sense |
| 16:22.53 | kergoth | well, it has rather extensive dependency on the build machine |
| 16:22.58 | kergoth | but, we could do what uclibc does |
| 16:23.12 | kergoth | and produce chroot/uml'able OZ/OE rootfss that include dev tools |
| 16:23.14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:23.21 | cyn | hahaha |
| 16:23.25 | bipolar | kergoth: I tslib working |
| 16:23.42 | cyn | so uclibc essentially provides an os w/ dev tools to compile itself? |
| 16:23.43 | bipolar | kergoth: I also found that libts.so was not being included in the ipk. |
| 16:24.13 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:24.17 | kergoth | you dont need the .so at runtime |
| 16:24.18 | kergoth | ever |
| 16:24.22 | kergoth | .so.# is needed |
| 16:24.40 | kergoth | cyn: yeah. uclibc has an old style bulidroot that has that ability |
| 16:24.48 | bipolar | kergoth: yeah, thats what I mean. libts.so.* was not being included at all. |
| 16:24.55 | kergoth | weird |
| 16:25.10 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 16:25.18 | kergoth | the makefile says it will be |
| 16:25.25 | kergoth | look at the rootinstall target |
| 16:25.26 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 16:25.47 | TimRiker | ~chanset -rootwarn |
| 16:25.47 | | setting rootwarn for _default is not set. |
| 16:25.48 | bipolar | kergoth: I don't know what to say. It's not in the ipk. I'll fix it. |
| 16:25.55 | kergoth | TimRiker: thanks |
| 16:26.02 | TimRiker | ~reload |
| 16:26.02 | | reloading... |
| 16:26.02 | | reloaded. |
| 16:26.03 | kergoth | bipolar: k, keep me posted |
| 16:26.09 | bipolar | kergoth: also, is there any platform that uses the Input API? |
| 16:26.16 | kergoth | bipolar: ramses |
| 16:26.30 | bipolar | darn... so I can't just rip it out. heh |
| 16:26.31 | kergoth | bipolar: and collie on 2.4.21 by default, though its configurable |
| 16:27.09 | bipolar | I'll just leave it as is, manualy fixed. I don't know enough about autoconf to fix it correctly. |
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| 16:27.59 | TimRiker | hmm. |
| 16:29.53 | TimRiker | ~chanset _default -rootwarn |
| 16:29.53 | | setting rootwarn for _default is not set. |
| 16:30.04 | TimRiker | ~chanset #openembedded -rootwarn |
| 16:30.04 | | setting rootwarn for #openembedded is not set. |
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| 16:30.36 | TimRiker | stupid bot. |
| 16:30.40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:30.44 | kergoth | ~fishslap ibot |
| 16:30.45 | | ACTION slaps ibot up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 16:31.39 | TimRiker | ~chanset #openembedded rootwarn 0 |
| 16:31.39 | | Setting rootwarn for #openembedded to '0'. |
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| 16:36.42 | icefox | hehe |
| 16:37.06 | chouimat | http://owfs.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 16:38.39 | kergoth | chouimat: heh, wonder why they didnt just use /proc. |
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| 16:39.32 | chouimat | kergoth: probably because there is no driver for 1-wire device in the kernel |
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| 16:40.04 | TimRiker | stupid bot. |
| 16:40.08 | kergoth | chouimat: well yeah, but there could be :) |
| 16:41.20 | treke | kergoth: hmmm. Been thinking of making my notes app more wiki like |
| 16:41.27 | kergoth | in what way? |
| 16:42.37 | treke | kergoth: Thinking I'll try and locate keywords, and have it hyperlinks between documents |
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| 16:43.24 | treke | probably things like dates, acronyms, phrases that are all capitalized |
| 16:44.52 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:45.20 | treke | too bad I'm in no way organized |
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| 16:45.29 | treke | it's hard to make software organize for you :p |
| 16:46.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:46.34 | kergoth | true that |
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| 16:49.36 | bipolar | kergoth: I'm downloading oe now. I'll start adding packages once I figgure it out. |
| 16:49.43 | kergoth | k |
| 16:49.50 | kergoth | set OEDIR to the 'oe' dir |
| 16:49.55 | kergoth | and then play around |
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| 16:53.39 | kergoth | i think i'm gonna do some major OE hacking this weekend |
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| 16:56.05 | prh | ooo |
| 16:56.19 | bipolar | kergoth: can oe build a basic system w/opie yet, or does all that still need to be added? |
| 16:56.30 | prh | kergoth: reckon you'll have 2.4.21 running on Z07x ? |
| 16:56.32 | kergoth | bipolar: there are like 10 packages at most in teh system. |
| 16:56.53 | bipolar | ohhh... |
| 16:56.56 | bipolar | k |
| 16:57.28 | bipolar | kergoth: are we going to be using opie's .config files to build opie's ipks or are we going to make an .oe file for each opie ipk? |
| 16:58.04 | kergoth | the former for now |
| 16:58.14 | kergoth | I'm switching Opie to use OE as its buildsystem eventually |
| 16:58.14 | bipolar | ok |
| 16:58.23 | kergoth | so .pro/.control/config.in -> one .oe for each package |
| 16:58.27 | chouimat | kergoth: when? |
| 16:59.10 | kergoth | when its ready,and when i have time |
| 17:07.19 | absentia | ah |
| 17:07.22 | absentia | more screen resolution. |
| 17:07.24 | absentia | I think I like this. |
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| 17:15.25 | kergoth | mickeyl? |
| 17:15.27 | mickeyl | ~lart lineo |
| 17:15.34 | kergoth | whatd they do this time |
| 17:15.50 | mickeyl | that keyboard driver is weired |
| 17:15.57 | mickeyl | it is overcomplicated to do simple things |
| 17:16.06 | mickeyl | and spread over around three or four files |
| 17:16.11 | mickeyl | is that neccessary |
| 17:16.15 | mickeyl | mrmpf |
| 17:16.15 | mickeyl | :) |
| 17:16.55 | mickeyl | doing a kernel compile - lets see if my sysrq_hack works |
| 17:17.05 | mickeyl | probably not yet... but I'm getting there |
| 17:17.25 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:17.30 | kergoth | compare against the collie 2.4.21 driver |
| 17:17.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:17.42 | mickeyl | pretty |
| 17:17.43 | mickeyl | plain |
| 17:17.44 | mickeyl | simple |
| 17:17.45 | mickeyl | :) |
| 17:18.01 | mickeyl | (i had a look at it yesterday) |
| 17:18.08 | kergoth | exactly. dead simple. |
| 17:18.21 | kergoth | and half of it is added complexity for binding events to hold of keys, which we dont even use |
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| 17:22.48 | kergoth | hey pb_ |
| 17:22.59 | treke | pb |
| 17:23.14 | kergoth | we need .oe syntax highlighting |
| 17:23.35 | treke | hmmm. wonder how big debconf is |
| 17:24.05 | treke | big. It's perl :p |
| 17:24.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:24.24 | pb_ | hi treke |
| 17:24.26 | pb_ | hi kergoth |
| 17:24.29 | kergoth | i like the _idea_ behind a debconf like thing |
| 17:24.35 | kergoth | but we'd need something new, simple, and modular |
| 17:24.51 | treke | and not perl |
| 17:24.55 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:25.02 | kergoth | i think not perl is implicit |
| 17:25.04 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:25.21 | mickeyl | := |
| 17:25.23 | mickeyl | ) |
| 17:26.23 | kergoth | heh, vim syntax highlighting files remind me of lex |
| 17:27.21 | treke | probably a good reason for that :p |
| 17:29.28 | kergoth | yeah, quite sane |
| 17:29.31 | kergoth | i'll do a .oe one |
| 17:33.42 | mickeyl | umpf... sf.net down again... just when I need some files... |
| 17:35.39 | gb2 | sf.net automatically detects when you want files |
| 17:36.56 | icefox | damm distcc compiles everything fast enough now. No real reason to go find new machine to add. No more fun :( |
| 17:51.34 | kergoth | mickeyl: after a slight alteration to kernel-shepherd and modutils, the poodle builds are usable |
| 17:51.45 | kergoth | has the usual pxa_bi crash bug and keyboard issues, but thats expected |
| 17:52.09 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah that will be good news to lots of people |
| 17:52.15 | mickeyl | kergoth: bk pushed already? |
| 17:52.29 | kergoth | not yet. i'll push and upload official/experimental poodle images for people to hack on |
| 17:52.35 | mickeyl | kergoth: great |
| 17:52.50 | kergoth | we need that qt keysym->qtkeycode table |
| 17:52.54 | mickeyl | kergoth: maybe put them to unofficial/experimental ? that's where the usable husky and shepherd are atm. |
| 17:52.55 | kergoth | for c7x0, poodle, and collie 2.4.21 now |
| 17:53.06 | mickeyl | ah doing all builds? |
| 17:53.12 | mickeyl | even better. |
| 17:53.20 | mickeyl | remember to build opie as of 27th august |
| 17:53.23 | kergoth | yeah, i'll upload recent experimentals |
| 17:53.23 | kergoth | k |
| 17:58.57 | mickeyl | <kergoth> for c7x0, poodle, and collie 2.4.21 now |
| 17:59.05 | mickeyl | did any work on collie 2.4.21 ? |
| 17:59.12 | kergoth | not much recently |
| 17:59.18 | kergoth | need to spend some time to complete that sd driver |
| 17:59.18 | treke | I'll do an updated ipaq build for consistancy |
| 17:59.59 | mickeyl | last time i checked, suspend/resume was freaking out, all leds blinking, display freezing etc. |
| 18:00.15 | kergoth | odd, i havent seen any suspend/resume problems in some time |
| 18:00.40 | mickeyl | will try your experimental as soon as it is up. |
| 18:00.45 | kergoth | k |
| 18:01.00 | kergoth | leds blinking? hmm, power shoudlnt blink unless we got totally invalid data from the battery |
| 18:01.09 | mickeyl | having one spare Z just for experimenting is handy ;) |
| 18:01.12 | kergoth | which would probably indicate the tc35143af isnt being resumed properly |
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| 18:03.37 | kergoth | mickeyl: suspend/resume is a huge pain in teh ass in 2.4 |
| 18:03.47 | mickeyl | conceptually? |
| 18:03.54 | mickeyl | or just collie-wise |
| 18:03.57 | kergoth | no, technologically |
| 18:04.02 | kergoth | due to 2.4's flat pm |
| 18:04.06 | kergoth | non hierarchical |
| 18:05.40 | treke | argh |
| 18:05.53 | mickeyl | hah |
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| 18:08.10 | treke | " |
| 18:08.11 | treke | > I suppose it's a question of what you consider a packaging bug. To human |
| 18:08.14 | treke | > eyes, 0.9.7b-1 is clearly a "0.9.7 version", so I guess you have to |
| 18:08.16 | treke | > decide how to define what "=" means - is only an EXACT match good |
| 18:08.19 | treke | > enough? In this case clearly not, but its obviously a controvaersial |
| 18:08.21 | treke | > thing. |
| 18:08.25 | treke | " |
| 18:08.26 | treke | is it just me or is this guy off his rocker? |
| 18:08.32 | kergoth | uh |
| 18:08.39 | kergoth | in my world, = means .. equal |
| 18:08.41 | kergoth | but hey |
| 18:09.03 | treke | I should stop reading email before I start hating people more |
| 18:09.30 | mickeyl | where's that from? |
| 18:09.36 | treke | familiar mailing list |
| 18:09.51 | kergoth | what he wants, so it seems, is the ability to make something depend on any 0.9.7 based version |
| 18:09.54 | kergoth | i.e. |
| 18:10.02 | kergoth | Depends = thatotherthing (=0.9.7*) |
| 18:10.08 | kergoth | which you cant do right now afaik |
| 18:10.11 | kergoth | you could do |
| 18:10.19 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.24 | kergoth | Depends = thatotherthing (<0.9.8, > 0.9.6) |
| 18:10.26 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:11.09 | treke | Which is what jamey replied as the proper solution instead of special case hacks :p |
| 18:11.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:16.20 | pb_ | treke: yeah, seems fairly clear that guy is out to lunch. Though, this idea that ipkg should somehow treat the "base version number" specially is something that seems to come up again and again. |
| 18:16.47 | mickeyl | pb_: btw., i recently put a new bug in bugzilla re. ipkg |
| 18:16.51 | mickeyl | let me get the number again |
| 18:16.59 | kergoth | what exactly _is_ the "base version number" is rather arbitrary. i dont like the idea, myself |
| 18:17.12 | pb_ | kergoth: quite. |
| 18:17.47 | pb_ | I think that trying to decompose version into component parts is a fundamentally misguided idea. |
| 18:17.50 | pb_ | mickeyl: aha |
| 18:19.03 | mickeyl | pfff |
| 18:19.05 | mickeyl | i hate bugzilla |
| 18:19.06 | treke | things like the debian cron package |
| 18:19.09 | mickeyl | *searching* |
| 18:19.29 | treke | which is now at debian patch #75 :p |
| 18:19.35 | kergoth | pb_: agreed |
| 18:19.46 | mickeyl | pb_: ah - 963 |
| 18:20.07 | pb_ | mickeyl: yep, I see it. |
| 18:20.31 | mickeyl | pb_: ok. do you think i have any chance to get this implemented? ;) |
| 18:20.35 | pb_ | probably just want --force-space. "--force-install" is a rather ambiguous name. |
| 18:20.40 | mickeyl | right |
| 18:20.44 | pb_ | mickeyl: if you send a patch, I think the chances are close to 100%. |
| 18:21.06 | pb_ | if not, you'll probably get it eventually, but there are other more important things to deal with first. |
| 18:46.53 | imk | kergoth: OZ reports the arch as armv5tel? was that changed? stock sharp rom reports armv5l |
| 18:57.10 | pb_ | armv5tel is correct for xscale |
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| 19:13.12 | *** topic/#openembedded is OpenEmbedded/OpenZaurus developer lounge | User support in #openzaurus, #openembedded-ipaq, and (if applicable) #opie | OE now supplies configure test results, please take a look and start migrating OZ packages over. |
| 19:14.42 | gb2 | arm v5, thumb, little endian? |
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| 19:19.55 | pb_ | gb2: indeed |
| 19:19.58 | pb_ | plus el segundo |
| 19:21.28 | treke | i left my wallet in el segundo |
| 19:22.07 | pb_ | bad luck |
| 19:24.40 | gb2 | what's el segundo? |
| 19:25.32 | treke | A city in california. |
| 19:25.51 | treke | and spanish for the second |
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| 19:26.23 | gb2 | well. |
| 19:26.25 | gb2 | those i knew |
| 19:26.36 | gb2 | what's it got to do with the xscale? |
| 19:26.45 | treke | One of those makes sense in the context of your question |
| 19:29.07 | gb2 | huh? |
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| 19:35.14 | bipolar_zaurus | ~test |
| 19:35.15 | | Passed |
| 19:35.21 | bipolar_zaurus | cool |
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| 19:42.29 | Neo|Work | ls |
| 19:42.31 | Neo|Work | opps |
| 19:43.55 | bipolar_zaurus | at least now that i have my z running i can work from anywhere in my house |
| 20:12.12 | johaBBa | does OZ support SD wireless cards? http://www.sandisk.com/consumer/sdwifi.asp |
| 20:13.05 | bipolar_zaurus | do I have to mount a vfat sd card with any special options to use the umsdos extentions for links and such? |
| 20:13.32 | treke | you need to use the umsdos tools on it |
| 20:13.55 | bipolar_zaurus | johaBBa: I dont think the zaurus does. hardware limitation. |
| 20:14.05 | kergoth | bipolar_zaurus: depends on which Z |
| 20:14.46 | johaBBa | i remember hearing/ready something about OZ or mebbe just the Z not using all channels for an SD slot |
| 20:14.57 | johaBBa | kergoth: the 5600 would? |
| 20:16.50 | bipolar_zaurus | treke: are those tools in a package? |
| 20:17.25 | treke | dont know |
| 20:18.02 | gb2 | johabba: there's no SDIO support yet for any linux stuff |
| 20:18.06 | gb2 | not free anyway |
| 20:18.31 | gb2 | and for the Z's you'd only get 1bit SDIO also, so that's about a megabit |
| 20:19.54 | johaBBa | gb2: yes, i think that was it...oh well...i'll stick with the CF card. |
| 20:20.37 | bipolar_zaurus | kergoth: do you know if there is a package that has the needed umsdos tools in it? I've already gotten the module loaded. |
| 20:23.10 | johaBBa | later all |
| 20:24.30 | kergoth | bipolar_zaurus: dunno offhand |
| 20:25.47 | bipolar_zaurus | darn. I'll have to format this thing ext2 then. cant fit much in the internal memory. |
| 20:41.01 | kergoth | hey mickeyl |
| 20:41.10 | mickeyl | re |
| 20:41.11 | mickeyl | hi kergoth |
| 20:41.26 | kergoth | poodle's only outstanding bugs are touch/key clicks and the known pxa_bi crash and keyboard handling issues |
| 20:41.34 | kergoth | according to the two people that were testing it earlier |
| 20:42.05 | mickeyl | great. |
| 20:42.16 | mickeyl | so i can spread the word to those who are asking all the time ;) |
| 20:42.28 | kergoth | yep. i'll get the images up when the build completes |
| 20:43.56 | mickeyl | did you decide on the OZ 3.2.x situation? will you think the effort would be justified to do another such release or will the next release be a 3.3.x one? |
| 20:44.08 | mickeyl | collie, that is |
| 20:44.27 | gb2 | fire, bad. |
| 20:44.30 | gb2 | hrm |
| 20:44.43 | gb2 | white smoke pouring out of the cdrom probably isn't a good thing on my test box here |
| 20:44.51 | mickeyl | uhm... not really |
| 20:45.27 | kergoth | blech |
| 20:46.54 | gb2 | smells pretty bad |
| 20:47.15 | gb2 | i worried it was the prototype card (of which i think there are 2 in the world) |
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| 21:18.18 | prh | gb2: prototype of what? |
| 21:18.55 | gb2 | a pci-x card |
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| 21:48.54 | Neo|Work | Didn't OPIE use the VERA font? does it use it as ttf or converted? |
| 21:49.01 | kergoth | converted |
| 21:49.13 | kergoth | i created a set of qpfs from it |
| 21:49.26 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 21:49.46 | kergoth | since opie-freetype still sucks for memory usage, and we cant screw with the qt config for copmatibility reasons |
| 21:49.50 | kergoth | not much for options. |
| 21:50.07 | treke | might be using the ttf by now if sandman hadn't gone and gotten a life :) |
| 21:50.16 | Neo|Work | what is opie-freetype? |
| 21:50.20 | kergoth | treke: hehe |
| 21:50.25 | treke | Neo|Work: ttf font renderer for opie |
| 21:59.44 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup cvs.handhelds.org |
| 22:01.41 | kergoth | i wonder if we should set -e the shell we execute for OE tasks |
| 22:01.44 | kergoth | by default |
| 22:01.53 | kergoth | thats probably going to be more common.. let the user set +e if they dont like it |
| 22:07.30 | kergoth | but chances are it wontw ork anyway |
| 22:07.34 | kergoth | since it was linked against a really recent glibc |
| 22:07.49 | kergoth | err |
| 22:07.51 | kergoth | wrong wi ndow |
| 22:07.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:07.59 | _Psycho_ | ! |
| 22:10.31 | ljp | doh |
| 22:14.25 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup cvs.infradead.org |
| 22:15.11 | Neo|Work | treke: is there a reason not to use the builting ttf support in qt? |
| 22:15.32 | kergoth | Neo|Work: compatibility for one |
| 22:15.36 | treke | don't know, I'm guessing it's a binary compatibility issue |
| 22:15.45 | kergoth | for two, from the configure script, i see -xft/-noxft, nothing about freetype directly |
| 22:16.24 | Neo|Work | I can buy binary compatibility |
| 22:17.06 | Neo|Work | QT_NO_FREETYPE is the define |
| 22:17.19 | kergoth | cool |
| 22:17.30 | kergoth | we'll be ditching sharp compat eventually anyway.. |
| 22:18.13 | Neo|Work | one would wonder why qfontmanager_qws.cpp has this function though: |
| 22:18.13 | Neo|Work | QString qws_topdir() |
| 22:18.13 | Neo|Work | { |
| 22:18.13 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.13 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.14 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.18 | Neo|Work | } |
| 22:18.20 | Neo|Work | doh :) |
| 22:18.41 | Neo|Work | seems kind of silly |
| 22:18.55 | kergoth | heh. isnt there something global to get the qtdir? |
| 22:19.35 | ljp | yes |
| 22:19.44 | kergoth | silly trolls |
| 22:19.48 | kergoth | ~fishslap ljp |
| 22:19.51 | | ACTION slaps ljp up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 22:19.51 | ljp | yes |
| 22:20.03 | chouimat | hi ljp |
| 22:20.08 | ljp | hey choui |
| 22:20.48 | Neo|Work | ljp: heya. How's life in AU treating you? |
| 22:21.13 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup xiph.org |
| 22:21.17 | Neo|Work | well, here's some ugly code |
| 22:21.30 | treke | Neo|Work: is stuck working on qte? |
| 22:21.32 | treke | poor guy |
| 22:21.44 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.44 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.44 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.49 | chouimat | ljp: any idea when TT will reelease qt 4.0 snapshot? |
| 22:21.57 | ljp | not for a while |
| 22:22.09 | Neo|Work | hmm wait |
| 22:22.25 | ljp | .au is nice. its weird being able to walk around in shorts and its winter |
| 22:22.26 | Neo|Work | ah, it only loads 200 bytes a |
| 22:22.27 | Neo|Work | doh |
| 22:22.35 | treke | ljp: sounds like california |
| 22:22.42 | chouimat | ljp: I like the new moc generated code btw |
| 22:22.53 | Neo|Work | ljp: I walked around in shorts in Seattle in the winter. :) |
| 22:22.56 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 22:23.04 | ljp | yes, but you dont have huge mouse-like bouncing creatures, or parots flying around |
| 22:23.22 | Neo|Work | treke: not bad really. Qt is well written, relatively |
| 22:23.32 | kergoth | qt is so .. ifdef ridden |
| 22:23.40 | Neo|Work | that it is |
| 22:24.22 | Neo|Work | wonder if freetype uses mmap |
| 22:24.30 | Neo|Work | when you do FT_New_Face that is |
| 22:25.33 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup cvs.xine.sf.net |
| 22:26.22 | ljp | anyone know anything about 5500 emulation mode on a sharp c7xxx rom? |
| 22:26.46 | ljp | as in.. wtf is it? |
| 22:26.52 | treke | ljp: Sounds like it's using the Imageon's zooming feature |
| 22:28.58 | ljp | hmm..do you know how it's set? |
| 22:29.06 | ljp | in a desktop file? |
| 22:29.15 | Neo|Work | ljp: seems like we'll get huge swarms of crickets soon though |
| 22:29.28 | ljp | crickets, eh? cool |
| 22:29.38 | ljp | cricket here means something very different. |
| 22:29.55 | ljp | like a cheesy version of baseball |
| 22:30.04 | Neo|Work | http://citybugs.tamu.edu/FastSheets/Ent-1008.html |
| 22:30.15 | Neo|Work | I know it's a sport too |
| 22:30.22 | kergoth | grrr, damn SF |
| 22:30.43 | chouimat | ljp: cricket,, does anyone understand the rules? |
| 22:31.03 | ljp | dunno |
| 22:31.07 | treke | ljp: http://www.self-core.org/~kaoru-k/wiki/AtiCoreDriver.html |
| 22:32.18 | ljp | they should just use japanese characters for the c++ code, too hehehhehe |
| 23:07.12 | ljp | ibot: test |
| 23:07.13 | | Passed |
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| 23:08.35 | noda | Moo! |
| 23:08.45 | treke | noda: moo |
| 23:08.53 | treke | noda: where the hell is our download script |
| 23:09.05 | noda | Is there some newer OZ initrd I could try out? :) |
| 23:09.14 | noda | treke: Dunno, you're not coding it? :P |
| 23:09.19 | treke | not until we have a download script |
| 23:09.23 | treke | noda: you're the web dude |
| 23:09.40 | noda | Ack! If I make a download script, you'll upload new images? :) |
| 23:09.48 | noda | This very night? :P |
| 23:09.57 | treke | sure |
| 23:10.06 | pb_ | noda: he's bluffing |
| 23:10.11 | noda | Hrm... tempting. It's not like I just went to *5 classes* today... |
| 23:10.22 | noda | (1.5 hrs each...) |
| 23:10.58 | treke | pb_: Actually I just know that kergoth was going to upload images :) |
| 23:11.03 | noda | How about... give me an image and I'll think about doing it this weekend ("weekend" meaning sometime during the next 4 days, which I have off and have little homework on) |
| 23:11.04 | noda | lol |
| 23:11.18 | treke | nope. No script now image |
| 23:11.18 | pb_ | treke: hehe |
| 23:11.32 | treke | I mean, even familiar has one. You want them looking better than us? |
| 23:11.56 | noda | treke: Where's that? All I see is "v0.7", "v0.6.1", ... |
| 23:12.14 | ljp | kergoth: couldnt you tunnel to your home box and co there? ;) |
| 23:12.22 | kergoth | ljp: home box is down atm |
| 23:12.24 | treke | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.7/install/download.html |
| 23:12.26 | kergoth | otherwise yeah |
| 23:12.27 | noda | As long as you've got ssh you can do anything... :) |
| 23:12.27 | ljp | ahh |
| 23:12.49 | noda | Hey, pretty nifty webpage. |
| 23:13.06 | kergoth | handhelds.org has improved quite a bit lately on the web front |
| 23:13.09 | kergoth | it used to blow pretty bad |
| 23:13.25 | treke | I dont care too much for the new news thingy though |
| 23:13.37 | noda | I wonder if we should have a bit of javascript in this one: I'd scan directories for a listing of what options are available, and the unavailable options would be grayed out... |
| 23:13.41 | treke | although it has improved |
| 23:13.58 | noda | (OPTIONAL javascript of course) |
| 23:14.30 | noda | Hey, why'd they choose such an ugly theme for the Opie screenshot? |
| 23:14.41 | pb_ | treke: yeah, nobody likes the handhelds.org news page much. should try to spruce it up a bit. |
| 23:14.47 | treke | because they hate opie? |
| 23:14.55 | kergoth | bastards. |
| 23:15.09 | noda | Has anybody here tried RT yet, btw? If not I'm gonna do some testing on my own computer tomorrow sometime. |
| 23:15.18 | kergoth | noda: nope, havent had time |
| 23:15.40 | noda | (for a completely unrelated reason, but I don't see why I wouldn't be able to tell the whole channel whether it's good or not -- or even organize a temp server and put some real bugs...) |
| 23:16.03 | kergoth | yea, let me know what ya think of it |
| 23:16.36 | kergoth | i was gonna set it up on hh.o to test it out, but that didnt pan out |
| 23:17.03 | noda | Yeah, what happened, too many modifications needed? |
| 23:17.12 | kergoth | yeah, needed like 35 new perl modules |
| 23:17.16 | treke | kergoth: this time try building it on www.handhelds.org and not the skiffcluster |
| 23:17.19 | noda | Whee-haw. |
| 23:17.21 | kergoth | i did eventually get most of em installed into my homedir |
| 23:17.30 | kergoth | but then ran into probs with mason |
| 23:17.32 | kergoth | dont recall what |
| 23:17.45 | treke | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25228.png |
| 23:17.55 | treke | people with screenshots like that should have their eyes gouged out |
| 23:18.06 | noda | Holy crap, how ugly can you get! |
| 23:18.16 | treke | noda: it gets uglier |
| 23:18.16 | kergoth | treke: egad |
| 23:18.34 | pb_ | wow, that's certainly quite special |
| 23:18.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:18.39 | treke | noda: Obviously you dont remember ljps old screenshots |
| 23:18.39 | kergoth | "special" |
| 23:18.43 | kergoth | dont forget het quotes |
| 23:18.48 | noda | Heh |
| 23:19.09 | ljp | hmmpft |
| 23:20.42 | kergoth | hehe, i remember those |
| 23:20.54 | kergoth | you know, someone shoudl fix opie's ugly bits when using the dark color scheme |
| 23:21.05 | kergoth | and the thing where background colors dont bleed through anyomre |
| 23:22.10 | noda | Ick, nobody should use a dark colour scheme :P |
| 23:22.28 | kergoth | hardwire's "dark" looks good though |
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| 23:49.00 | chouimat | hi Masticator |
| 23:49.05 | Masticator | hey chou. |
| 23:49.37 | chouimat | Masticator: I'm back from prague and yes the women are hot there |
| 23:50.15 | Masticator | what were you doing in prague? |
| 23:50.28 | Masticator | yes czech babes are hot |
| 23:50.34 | Masticator | I had a czech girlfriend |
| 23:50.42 | chouimat | Masticator: I was at the kde meeting in czech republic |
| 23:50.58 | Masticator | man awesome beer there |
| 23:51.01 | Masticator | in bohemia |
| 23:51.24 | Masticator | budweiser budvar |
| 23:51.25 | chouimat | Masticator: yup and the absinth is good ... and the cannabis vodka too |
| 23:51.27 | Masticator | great stuff |
| 23:51.32 | Masticator | I just got some absinthe |
| 23:51.35 | Masticator | from france |
| 23:51.38 | Masticator | the real thing |
| 23:51.43 | Masticator | better than the czech stuff |
| 23:51.45 | chouimat | Masticator: I have the super strong budvar here |
| 23:51.52 | Masticator | produced in original absinthe stills |
| 23:51.59 | Masticator | le emille 68 |
| 23:52.19 | Masticator | produced by Pernot |
| 23:52.29 | Masticator | 68 percent alcohol |
| 23:52.33 | chouimat | Masticator: I have a little bottle of czech absinth and some cannabis flavvored vodka here |
| 23:53.04 | Masticator | a friend just sent me some from england |
| 23:53.11 | Masticator | gives you a weird fucking buzz |
| 23:53.39 | chouimat | Masticator: absinth? yup 70% stuff |
| 23:53.48 | Masticator | http://forums.egullet.com/index.php?act=ST&f=88&t=26363&hl=absinthe&s=940989a01f03af07bdbf36266be4fe02 |
| 23:54.13 | Masticator | the real deal is made in france |
| 23:56.08 | Masticator | http://www.absintheonline.com |
| 23:56.18 | Masticator | Thats where you can get Un Emile 68 |
| 23:56.46 | Masticator | comes from a distillery that made absinthe in 1890 |
| 23:56.51 | Masticator | in the original pot stills |
| 23:56.55 | Masticator | from the original recipe |
| 23:57.12 | kergoth | hey Masticator |
| 23:57.34 | Masticator | and its not bright green |
| 23:57.36 | Masticator | its pale green |
| 23:57.51 | Masticator | and not at all bitter |
| 23:57.59 | Masticator | tastes like sambuca with herbal stuff in it |
| 23:58.09 | Masticator | wussp kergy |
| 23:58.09 | chouimat | Masticator: mine is bright green |
| 23:58.14 | treke | ~lart make for now doing what I want |
| 23:58.16 | Masticator | yeah, thats artificial shit added |
| 23:58.35 | Masticator | http://www.absintheonline.com/acatalog/Absinthe.html |
