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| 00:51.42 | w8tvi_ | http://externe.net/zaurus/faq/index.php/ThatsNotAll?version=46 |
| 00:54.00 | mickeyl | lol |
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| 02:17.18 | T`|Heli | hey |
| 02:17.19 | T`|Heli | anyone here ? |
| 02:17.38 | T`|Heli | i am looking for some help regarding running linux on a XScale processor |
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| 02:26.47 | scribe | Hey guys. It's come that time again to try to rebuild qpsword with our latest 1.5.6 text engine which was just released. are the buildroot instructions basically the same as 5 months ago? |
| 02:28.15 | treke|wherever | more or less |
| 02:40.02 | scribe | treke|wherever: thank :) Off to follow the instructions.... |
| 02:41.49 | T`|Heli | can someone help me with some info on embedded linux ? I am trying to find information on how to use linux on a XScale processor |
| 02:44.09 | treke|wherever | you need to write device drivers for the various peripherals your device uses |
| 02:45.53 | T`|Heli | i c |
| 02:46.13 | T`|Heli | are there any other versions of linux which have already been developed for some sort of mobile low power processors ? |
| 02:48.33 | scribe | treke|wherever: I grabbed the latest snapshot and the build instructions don't seem to work. |
| 02:48.47 | scribe | maybe I'll come back when I have more energy :) |
| 02:49.02 | scribe | T`|Heli: www.handhelds.org |
| 02:49.19 | treke|wherever | T`|Heli: you need drivers for your specific hardware |
| 02:51.24 | T`|Heli | treke|wherever: well.. i just want to use a XScale processor to do some codecs and interface with ethernet |
| 02:52.33 | treke|wherever | you still need storage |
| 02:52.54 | T`|Heli | yup.. some sort of flash based memory |
| 02:53.13 | treke|wherever | so you need drivers for the flash |
| 02:53.15 | T`|Heli | but the question is if there are kernels which are optimised for XScale |
| 02:53.22 | T`|Heli | yup |
| 02:54.26 | scribe | T`|Heli: Maybe I'm daft, but I don't understand why the 'familiar' kernel and distro stuff won't work for what you want |
| 02:54.53 | treke|wherever | scribe: because he probably isnt using an ipaw |
| 02:54.56 | treke|wherever | ipaq |
| 02:55.04 | scribe | XPA255, or similar, right? |
| 02:56.06 | scribe | treke|wherever: gotcha. So you think he's using a devkit board or something? |
| 02:56.31 | scribe | sorry, I should just shut up. |
| 02:56.40 | treke|wherever | not sure what hes using |
| 03:02.02 | bipolar | Well... I cleaned opie and ran make again, but I'm still getting that link error when it gets to opieplayer2. |
| 03:02.19 | bipolar | ld: libopieplayer2.so.1.0.0: undefined versioned symbol name std::time_put_w@@GLIBCPP_3.2 |
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| 03:06.53 | treke|wherever | disa le op2 |
| 03:06.58 | treke|wherever | disable |
| 03:07.11 | treke|wherever | I get that for three other packages. |
| 03:07.28 | Masticator | wussp. |
| 03:07.51 | treke|wherever | its probably a toolchain problem |
| 03:11.10 | Masticator | that IBM PDA is fugly |
| 03:11.23 | Masticator | I saw it at Linuxworld in february |
| 03:11.28 | Masticator | its a deveoper device |
| 03:11.30 | Masticator | not consumer |
| 03:11.45 | Masticator | very fast though |
| 03:11.47 | bipolar | treke|wherever: thats strange. I guess I'll have to find an updated toolchain. All the other opie apps compile but this one. :\ |
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| 03:16.44 | T`|Heli | sorry.. was away.. yea i am using a intel 80200 dev board |
| 03:17.01 | T`|Heli | scribe: wan to install linux on that :) |
| 03:17.03 | T`|Heli | want |
| 03:17.56 | bipolar | whoops... theres another app with that error. |
| 03:18.18 | bipolar | I guess I'll need to just have buildroot build my toolchains for me. That should work, right? |
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| 03:53.25 | W8TVI | if it wasn't for packet radio and the money I have in my radios, I'd just let my Ham licince drop.... |
| 03:53.32 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.38 | W8TVI | if you read the last two messages on that page you'll see why |
| 03:54.17 | W8TVI | I haven't talked to more than 2 people on the radio in over 2 years... |
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| 05:26.36 | fdask | i have the bitkeeper*.bin... what do i do with that? |
| 05:28.36 | fdask | nevermind |
| 05:28.38 | fdask | -_- |
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| 08:12.43 | Bernardo | hi |
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| 09:14.14 | heatxsink | hello? |
| 09:14.21 | heatxsink | my opie is all jacked up |
| 09:14.23 | heatxsink | can anyone help me out? |
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| 11:14.04 | Twiun | good afternoon |
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| 11:32.53 | mickeyl | morning pb_ |
| 11:33.13 | pb_ | hi mickey |
| 11:34.42 | Twiun | hey mickeyl, pb_ |
| 11:34.57 | pb_ | hi Twiun |
| 11:34.59 | mickeyl | hi Twiun |
| 11:35.00 | Twiun | got my java networked whiteboard app working :) |
| 11:35.07 | Twiun | 3 days! |
| 11:35.12 | mickeyl | nice work |
| 11:35.15 | Twiun | just need polishing the gui now |
| 11:35.35 | pb_ | cool |
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| 11:39.05 | mickeyl | Twiun: as our local java guru here, could you take a look into upgradeing kaffe to the newest devel version? It contains qt bindings but I didn't have luck compiling it - maybe you know what to do. |
| 11:40.13 | Twiun | mickeyl: I'll get onto that next weekend |
| 11:40.23 | mickeyl | k |
| 11:40.44 | Twiun | mickeyl: apparently they've got it building ok so I'll just find out how they did it |
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| 12:57.55 | heatxsink | anyone use bluetooth in their Z? |
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| 15:23.11 | treke|home | mule: Hey. Is your gcc compatibility stuff in buildroot yet? |
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| 15:27.20 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 15:27.41 | mickeyl | any idea how i can prevent the kernel to write on the active virtual console? |
| 15:27.48 | mickeyl | console=tty0 doesn't work |
| 15:27.53 | mickeyl | it always writes on the active one |
| 15:28.07 | mickeyl | aah |
| 15:28.20 | mickeyl | tty0 _is_ the code for the current one, right? |
| 15:28.25 | mickeyl | tty1 may be it |
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| 15:30.09 | treke|home | mithro: I havent looked at the SDL code, but I'm guessing it wouldnt take too much doing to make SDL support 640x480 |
| 15:31.26 | mithro | well actually it's quite a bit of work |
| 15:31.36 | treke|home | oh? |
| 15:31.40 | mithro | the bliting routine is optimised for 320x240 |
| 15:31.47 | mithro | you have to rewrite the whole thing |
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| 15:32.22 | mithro | which isn't alot of work for somebody who knows his c + graphics i suppose :) |
| 15:35.02 | mickeyl | would also think so |
| 15:35.36 | treke|home | mithro: Sucks about the zooming stuff being under nda |
| 15:37.57 | mickeyl | ? |
| 15:38.05 | mickeyl | why that? |
| 15:39.48 | mithro | yeah |
| 15:40.04 | mithro | somebody could reverse enginner it from the stuff on the C700 |
| 15:40.10 | treke|home | mithro: Only thing I'm wondering is if they exposed it through apm_bios like they did with the rotation |
| 15:40.26 | treke|home | since I'm guessing that is a capability of the w100 also |
| 15:40.43 | pb_ | heh, they put video calls in apm_bios? neato. |
| 15:41.05 | treke|home | actually I'm smoking crack |
| 15:41.10 | treke|home | they put the hinge in apm_bios |
| 15:41.13 | mithro | video calls in apm_bios? |
| 15:41.23 | mithro | the hinge also has a keycode |
| 15:41.23 | treke|home | ignore me. No coffee yet |
| 15:41.32 | pb_ | ah, hehe |
| 15:41.37 | treke|home | mithro: Yeah |
| 15:41.51 | mickeyl | grr |
| 15:42.09 | mithro | thats what i'm guessing causes the actual rotation? |
| 15:42.09 | mickeyl | why does the kernel print to vt2 |
| 15:42.18 | mickeyl | even if I said console=tty1 on the cmdline |
| 15:42.43 | treke|home | mithro: Dunno. In opie we are using q/e's rotation |
| 15:44.47 | treke|home | http://www.self-core.org/~kaoru-k/pub/libsdl_1.2.5-slzaurus20030704_arm.diff. |
| 15:44.56 | treke|home | Havent tried that but it does have some c700 stuff in it |
| 15:47.16 | mithro | yeah there a bunch of japanese people doing SDL stuff |
| 15:47.24 | mithro | but i can't speak japanese so can't contact them |
| 15:47.34 | treke|home | damn japanese :) |
| 15:54.38 | treke|home | too bad the c700 doesnt use the mediaq |
| 15:54.49 | treke|home | then we could steall all the work keithp has done for our own uses :p |
| 15:56.30 | pb_ | heh |
| 15:56.46 | pb_ | well, also, the mediaq has documentation :-) |
| 15:57.00 | mithro | meidaq? |
| 15:57.07 | pb_ | no, mediaq |
| 15:57.09 | treke|home | probably easier to let him figure out which parts are wrong :) |
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| 16:01.00 | mithro | whats a mediaq? |
| 16:01.29 | mithro | my res changing patch got into opie-head |
| 16:02.00 | mithro | woot! |
| 16:02.59 | mithro | now to figure out the remaining bugs and right a program which does the zooming |
| 16:03.14 | mithro | then to figure out why SDL doesnt like it... |
| 16:03.15 | treke|home | mithro: sweet |
| 16:03.40 | treke|home | I'll probably finish up rotation this weekend |
| 16:04.35 | pb_ | mithro: www.mediaq.com |
| 16:05.28 | treke|home | uhm. w00t |
| 16:05.29 | treke|home | maybe |
| 16:06.15 | treke|home | not w00t |
| 16:06.18 | mithro | the w100 isn't half bad - it just has a lousy NDA :( |
| 16:07.27 | treke|home | well if no one can actually use the thing, I think it is a pretty lously part |
| 16:08.05 | mithro | the main speed problem doesn't effect the C700 has it has vram in it |
| 16:12.00 | treke|home | Personally, I dont even see the need for zooming :p |
| 16:12.30 | treke|home | all of the apps I've tried work fine at 640x480, but I guess some may break |
| 16:12.37 | mithro | well it doubles the speed as you have to transmit half the pixels |
| 16:12.45 | mithro | mainly good for games+video |
| 16:12.52 | treke|home | it also looks like crap :p |
| 16:13.01 | mithro | not really |
| 16:13.36 | treke|home | When I tried it, the zoomed apps looked really bad |
| 16:15.33 | mithro | they looked okay for me - they where still very crisp - antialias kina looks funny though |
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| 17:07.12 | scribe | Hey guys. Is there anyone willing to help me get started with the buildroot setup and compile so I might compile one of my opie apps? |
| 17:09.45 | mickeyl | ask right away... |
| 17:09.59 | scribe | Well, I downloaded the buildroot snapshot |
| 17:10.06 | scribe | and then followed the directions on the FAQ |
| 17:10.10 | scribe | and the build failed. |
| 17:10.19 | scribe | so let me get more specific now |
| 17:10.24 | scribe | trying again.... |
| 17:11.16 | Bernardo|away | scribe: not in libxine, btw? |
| 17:11.30 | scribe | no, it didn't even start to build |
| 17:12.08 | scribe | ok, so i got the snapshot, which I'm guessing means I can ignore the steps 1-3 on the FAQ at: http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/oz_website/faq/faq?id=84 |
| 17:13.22 | scribe | ok, did the copy of the collie config: cp def-configs/collie-opie .config |
| 17:13.34 | scribe | I'm now in: make menuconfig |
| 17:13.56 | scribe | and I'm probably doing something wrong at this point. |
| 17:15.13 | scribe | ok, last time I did this, I put the compile tools in /usr/local/arm |
| 17:15.45 | scribe | and it looks like the config is set up that way. Here's my full path to gcc: |
| 17:16.20 | scribe | /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin/arm-linux-gcc |
| 17:16.59 | scribe | and this is the default setting in the menuconfig thing: (/usr/local/arm) Path to existing gcc toolchain |
| 17:17.08 | scribe | maybe that's wrong. |
| 17:17.45 | scribe | well, it looks like it found it cuz later down, it says: (2.95.3) version of existing gcc2 toolchain |
| 17:17.59 | mickeyl | that is no detected setting, but one you give |
| 17:18.25 | scribe | oh, ok. so maybe it didn't find it |
| 17:18.38 | scribe | but at least it seems like the correct setting for my env. |
| 17:18.49 | mickeyl | well.... where is the problem. would you care to give us an output? |
| 17:18.56 | scribe | sure... |
| 17:19.01 | scribe | save and exitting.... |
| 17:19.37 | scribe | [scribe@troyslaptop buildroot-exported]$ make |
| 17:19.38 | scribe | Generating dependency information... |
| 17:19.38 | scribe | panic: end_shift at /space/home/scribe/src/buildroot-exported/scripts/deps.pl line 22, <FILE> line 15. |
| 17:19.38 | scribe | make: *** [/space/home/scribe/src/buildroot-exported/.depends] Error 25 |
| 17:19.48 | mickeyl | argh |
| 17:19.52 | mickeyl | that looks like buggy RH9 |
| 17:20.03 | mickeyl | right? |
| 17:20.08 | scribe | yep :) |
| 17:20.09 | mickeyl | get yourself a better Linux. |
| 17:20.14 | scribe | :) |
| 17:20.16 | mickeyl | perl in rh9 is broken. |
| 17:20.23 | mickeyl | update to rawhide or install something else. |
| 17:20.57 | scribe | can I just update perl? |
| 17:21.19 | mickeyl | no idea... i'll stay away from red hat |
| 17:21.51 | scribe | anyone else have better news |
| 17:21.53 | scribe | ? |
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| 17:30.30 | scribe | mickeyl|dinner: from #redhat: <WebDragon|away> scribe: does he have any more specific information besides the useless comment "it doesn't work" ? |
| 17:30.43 | mickeyl|dinner | no. |
| 17:30.48 | scribe | :) |
| 17:30.50 | mickeyl|dinner | i didn't found out. |
| 17:31.04 | mickeyl|dinner | i'm just telling what others found out. |
| 17:31.07 | mickeyl|dinner | rawhide works. |
| 17:31.18 | scribe | ok, thanks. |
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| 17:33.52 | treke|home | welcome drw-ipaq |
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| 17:34.29 | drw-ipaq | treke|home: hi |
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| 17:40.26 | treke|home | mickeyl|dinner: I think the reason harlekin was doing the launcer stuff in BRANCH_1_0 was that HEAD's launcher had some other unstable stuff in it |
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| 17:42.39 | heatxsink | woohoo i'm crosscompling! |
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| 17:57.01 | pb_ | as opposed to which other kind of RH9? |
| 17:57.10 | treke|home | the one that works? |
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| 18:03.24 | scribe | Hey guys. i was trying to get buildroot to work on rh9, and I've been told that it won't. Is that true? |
| 18:04.43 | mickeyl|dinner | treke: i know |
| 18:05.10 | mickeyl | treke: and as I wrote - i know that it had to be done |
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| 19:35.47 | scribe | Hey guys, we're working on the deps.pl script. |
| 19:36.01 | scribe | anyone have any pointers, I would love to hear 'em. |
| 19:40.18 | scribe | seems catching the exception at line 22 let's the build continue: |
| 19:40.22 | scribe | - /^\s*config\s*$token\s*$/ || next; |
| 19:40.22 | scribe | + eval { /^\s*config\s*$token\s*$/ || next }; |
| 19:40.22 | scribe | + warn $@ if $@; |
| 19:41.01 | scribe | but not sure what will happen to the packages where that regex fails |
| 19:42.02 | treke|home | hmmm |
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| 20:06.43 | treke|home | mickeyl|tv, kergoth: what do you think about turning the lcd off at the beginning of the suspend process and turning it back on again after suspend completes? On the upside it would quiet down some of the complaints of suspend taking forever, but it could be a problem if the suspend itself freezes. |
| 20:07.17 | treke|home | users wouldnt know it had froze and wouldnt notice they need to reset to prevent their battery from going dead |
| 20:07.58 | treke|home | hrmmm. That would be really bad :p |
| 20:08.22 | treke|home | maybe popping up the "working" indicator would be a better idea |
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| 20:24.31 | scribe | ok guys |
| 20:25.19 | scribe | on RH9 stock, LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 20:25.27 | scribe | if I set it LANG=C |
| 20:25.39 | scribe | deps.pl seems to work |
| 20:25.44 | treke|home | cool |
| 20:28.02 | scribe | have a patch to make it a little cleaner though, it you'd like it. |
| 20:28.05 | scribe | can I CC it to you? |
| 20:28.15 | treke|home | send it to kergoth |
| 20:28.25 | scribe | is he around? |
| 20:28.29 | scribe | kergoth`bbl: you around? |
| 20:28.30 | treke|home | no |
| 20:29.57 | scribe | compile with strict now |
| 20:30.04 | scribe | and chomps the input file |
| 20:30.23 | scribe | but the work was done by WebDragon on #redhat, not me |
| 20:30.41 | scribe | now I'm getting other problems with the build :) |
| 20:30.59 | scribe | No such directory `pub/gnu/libc'. |
| 20:31.00 | scribe | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.00 | scribe | WGET returned an error |
| 20:31.40 | scribe | make[1]: *** [/space/home/scribe/src/buildroot-exported/stamps/.glibc.addons] Error 1 |
| 20:31.40 | scribe | make[1]: Leaving directory `/space/home/scribe/src/buildroot-exported/packages/glibc' |
| 20:31.40 | scribe | make: *** [packages/glibc] Error 2 |
| 20:38.52 | mickeyl | treke: we will be able to speed up suspend/resume anyway. |
| 20:39.06 | mickeyl | treke: most problem is just a matter of usbdmonitor timing out |
| 20:39.24 | treke|home | screw usb |
| 20:39.44 | mickeyl | hehe... personally i agree |
| 20:39.49 | mickeyl | but our users.... |
| 20:39.58 | treke|home | yup |
| 20:40.08 | treke|home | But since usb doesnt work, we might as well make suspend work :p |
| 20:40.15 | mickeyl | hehe, yeah. |
| 20:40.24 | mickeyl | at least until kergoth integrates the usb gadget stack |
| 20:40.30 | mickeyl | i'll take a look at it |
| 21:03.54 | treke|home | mickeyl: you ever seen oz come out of suspend, then go right back in?> |
| 21:04.26 | mickeyl | yeah i had that - but on collie. |
| 21:04.39 | mickeyl | seemd like a bogus key event for me |
| 21:04.41 | treke|home | what was the problem? |
| 21:04.54 | mickeyl | no idea - i think i held the suspend button too long |
| 21:05.09 | treke|home | ah |
| 21:05.18 | treke|home | so its resuming and then processing another suspend event |
| 21:05.35 | mickeyl | would think so |
| 21:05.43 | scribe | Hey guys, any ideas about the wget problem? |
| 21:06.01 | mickeyl | pub/gnu/libc ? |
| 21:06.26 | treke|home | scribe: your buildroot is out of date |
| 21:06.27 | mickeyl | maybe they changed their paths again |
| 21:06.37 | scribe | it's from yesterday :) |
| 21:06.42 | scribe | I could grab a new snapshot. |
| 21:07.02 | scribe | I don't really care about the latest and greatest |
| 21:07.12 | treke|home | I fixed that bug last month |
| 21:07.13 | scribe | just trying to get a stable environment to build against |
| 21:07.33 | mickeyl | there is no such thing as a stable buildroot environment |
| 21:07.33 | scribe | treke|home: are the snapshots not current? |
| 21:07.35 | mickeyl | it ages |
| 21:07.39 | treke|home | dunno |
| 21:07.42 | mickeyl | because upstream changes |
| 21:07.53 | mickeyl | ibot: oz snapshot |
| 21:07.54 | | oz snapshot is, like, http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 21:08.06 | scribe | is there a better why to get an environment to build an app against? |
| 21:08.14 | scribe | maybe I'm doing things the hard way. |
| 21:08.21 | treke|home | get buildroot from bitkeeper |
| 21:08.23 | mickeyl | no there isn't. |
| 21:08.24 | treke|home | or build opie by hand |
| 21:08.49 | mickeyl | *cough* official/snapshot contains an old one |
| 21:08.54 | mickeyl | whereas /snaphost contains the new one |
| 21:08.59 | mickeyl | someone must delete that old one |
| 21:09.01 | mickeyl | it's misleading |
| 21:09.26 | scribe | :) so which one should I use? |
| 21:09.35 | scribe | I deleted bitkeeper, I think |
| 21:09.43 | scribe | I just want a snapshot, if I can |
| 21:09.49 | scribe | I'm not interested in updated frequently |
| 21:09.53 | treke|home | scribe: use bitkeeper |
| 21:09.58 | treke|home | mickeyl: /snapshot is an old one |
| 21:10.20 | scribe | so the faq is wrong and snapshots cannot be used? |
| 21:10.41 | treke|home | The faq is never wrong |
| 21:10.47 | treke|home | you are just reading it wrong |
| 21:11.32 | scribe | :) |
| 21:12.37 | scribe | ok, here is the faq text I'm reading: |
| 21:12.40 | scribe | The OpenZaurus buildroot is a Bitkeeper repository. Bitkeeper costs money to use for contributers to competing products (such as cvs and svn). If you want access to the buildroot sources but cannot use bitkeeper (out of laziness or licensing issues), a current snapshot is available (updated automatically every day). |
| 21:13.04 | treke|home | Ah, I see the mistake |
| 21:13.20 | scribe | The link in that text points to: http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot |
| 21:13.58 | treke|home | We do automatically update the snapshot every day. It isn't updated to the current source though |
| 21:14.09 | treke|home | An easy mistake to make |
| 21:16.19 | Bernardo | make[1]: Entering directory `/mnt/other/zaurus/buildroot-oz/packages/libxine' |
| 21:16.19 | Bernardo | cd /mnt/other/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/xine-lib ; ./autogen.sh --host arm-linux --build i686-linux --enable-shared --disable-static --prefix=/usr \ |
| 21:17.01 | treke|home | as for why, /usr is the proper place for distributions to install software |
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| 21:19.57 | Bernardo | treke|home: it sure is - but libxine takes /usr as the prefix for everything, including the include files, not only the install |
| 21:20.26 | treke|home | Bernardo: so? |
| 21:20.38 | treke|home | include files should also go in /usr |
| 21:21.42 | Bernardo | yes, but lixine is failing to compile because it is trying to include files from /usr/include, instead of those in /mnt/other/zaurus/buildroot-oz/ |
| 21:22.14 | treke|home | That isnt what --prefix does |
| 21:22.23 | treke|home | --prefix specifies where the destination is |
| 21:22.29 | Bernardo | In file included from /usr/include/math.h:362, |
| 21:22.29 | Bernardo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.29 | Bernardo | /usr/include/bits/mathinline.h: In function `atan2': |
| 21:22.29 | Bernardo | /usr/include/bits/mathinline.h:425: unknown register name `st(1)' in `asm' |
| 21:22.29 | Bernardo | /usr/include/bits/mathinline.h: In function `atan2f': |
| 21:22.29 | Bernardo | /usr/include/bits/mathinline.h:425: unknown register name `st(1)' in `asm' |
| 21:22.36 | Bernardo | and so on and so forth |
| 21:22.43 | Bernardo | treke: it should be |
| 21:23.12 | Bernardo | libxine autoconf seems to not notice and use 'prefix' as the prefix for all |
| 21:23.32 | treke|home | More likely, something else is broken |
| 21:24.16 | Bernardo | I've even removed the whole buildroot and did a bk clone again, removed all sources and downloaded them again, and can't get past this |
| 21:26.14 | Bernardo | well, got to go... tomorrow is another day |
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| 21:38.20 | W8TVI | http://glot.mit.edu/mtblog/archives/2002_11.php |
| 21:38.30 | W8TVI | November 20, 2002 |
| 21:38.31 | W8TVI | Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 at sharpusa.comWow, |
| 21:38.31 | W8TVI | Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 at sharpusa.com |
| 21:38.42 | W8TVI | Wow, this thing is neat. With a compact flash wireless lan card, you're pretty much set. Plus a 1 gig IBM microdrive that fits in the SD slot... and you can use both at the same time! Neat. And it runs on Linux, which is unusual in the world of handhelds, of course. |
| 21:38.49 | W8TVI | lol |
| 21:39.16 | kergoth`bbl | treke|home: a "suspending" status dialog would definately be the better way to handle it (re: turning off lcd at suspend start) |
| 21:39.43 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: Yeah, That could be a problem if people think it's suspended and its not |
| 21:40.07 | kergoth`bbl | yeah. you'd have to shut off lcd when starting suspend, and find a way to turn it back on if the suspend path is aborted |
| 21:40.21 | kergoth`bbl | i dont think apmd has a way to associate a script to a failure :) |
| 21:40.53 | mickeyl | fwiw, after removing usbd-common it suspends much faster |
| 21:40.58 | kergoth`bbl | thats expected |
| 21:41.07 | mickeyl | is this still needed on c7x0? |
| 21:41.08 | kergoth`bbl | usbd-common rmmods allthe usb modules and reloads them on resume |
| 21:41.23 | kergoth`bbl | and its necessary, because usbd has serious suspend/resume timing issues |
| 21:41.28 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: I'm more concerned with the Zaurus up and locking up :p |
| 21:41.34 | kergoth`bbl | until we switch to the usb device layer, yes |
| 21:41.58 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: the easy way to handle it would be to use ODevice. At the begining of ODevice::suspend() disable the lcd and the end reenable it |
| 21:42.02 | W8TVI | maybe I should figure out how to disable it |
| 21:42.12 | kergoth`bbl | treke|home: yeah, thats true |
| 21:42.22 | mickeyl | btw., I'm experimenting with Opie on a dedicated virtual terminal. While that works fine on my SIMpad, on the Zaurii chvt just hangs forever. |
| 21:42.23 | kergoth`bbl | W8TVI: how? uninstall usbd-common and the usbd modules. |
| 21:42.26 | treke|home | but we still have the problem of the crash :p |
| 21:42.49 | W8TVI | kergoth`bbl: thats all there is to it? |
| 21:42.56 | kergoth`bbl | W8TVI: yes. |
| 21:42.59 | W8TVI | cool |
| 21:43.02 | W8TVI | thanks |
| 21:43.04 | kergoth`bbl | np' |
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| 21:43.36 | kergoth`bbl | time to go be unproductive playing ps2 and watching tv. bbl again. |
| 21:43.41 | mickeyl | cu |
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| 21:43.54 | mickeyl | now _who_ did buy him that thing? STAND UP :D |
| 21:44.54 | treke|home | All of OZ's problems are Tim Rikers fault |
| 21:45.09 | mickeyl | somehow yes |
| 21:45.13 | W8TVI | weird... I dont see anything with USB in the name in the installed packages |
| 21:45.16 | treke|home | if it wasnt for him kergoth`bbl would still be a pissed of tech support worker who could spend all day work on oz |
| 21:45.22 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 21:45.32 | W8TVI | :( |
| 21:45.35 | mickeyl | who gives a damn about that he _feels_ just better now |
| 21:45.39 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:45.45 | W8TVI | dang that Tim |
| 21:47.55 | W8TVI | ok... the usb stuff is installed, but there is nothing in the ipkg list that has anything to do with USB... |
| 21:48.04 | treke|home | this one sucks |
| 21:48.18 | W8TVI | I use a stylus pen |
| 21:48.54 | W8TVI | it has a black ink pen and mecanical pencil in it too |
| 21:49.02 | W8TVI | $8 at wall mart |
| 21:49.11 | W8TVI | in the pen section |
| 21:49.28 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 21:49.39 | mickeyl | i liked that sharpROM behaviour that you can switch it on via pressing ok |
| 21:49.41 | treke|home | I need one that fits in the silo but doesnt suck |
| 21:49.48 | mickeyl | fiddling around on the back of the device sucks |
| 21:58.05 | W8TVI | hmmm... couldn't find the package to remove so I just rmmod'ed the usb modules |
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