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| 00:13.38 | zar | lol |
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| 00:59.14 | treke | Suck It Down OPIE |
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| 02:46.21 | noda | Moo! |
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| 03:44.45 | ljp | treke: you still awake? |
| 03:46.08 | treke|home | yes |
| 03:47.19 | ljp | are the a300 images buildroot makes usable? as in, has someone used oz for a a300? |
| 03:47.27 | treke|home | no clue |
| 03:47.39 | treke|home | I dont think so, but you could ask neo to try one |
| 03:47.48 | ljp | he has a a300 |
| 03:47.50 | ljp | ? |
| 03:47.52 | treke|home | he did |
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| 03:59.31 | treke|home | ljp: pierec.so.1.0.0: undefined versioned symbol name std::time_put_w@@GLIBCPP_3.2 |
| 03:59.34 | treke|home | /usr/local/arm/3.3/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.3.1/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: failed to set dynamic section sizes: Bad value |
| 03:59.37 | treke|home | that error look familiar? |
| 04:04.07 | ljp | no |
| 04:04.37 | ljp | it uses qtdatetime to set the filename |
| 04:05.25 | treke|home | odd |
| 04:12.38 | treke|home | Only three packages seem to be hit by it so far |
| 04:13.39 | ljp | do they all use qdatetime? |
| 04:13.58 | treke|home | not sure. I dont know if they were all time_put |
| 04:15.37 | ljp | hmm |
| 04:16.26 | treke|home | ok. oxygen is the same error |
| 04:16.55 | treke|home | so does tetrix. I'll see if they all use qdatetime |
| 04:20.14 | treke|home | it includes it, but doesnt use it |
| 04:27.44 | treke|home | and those are the only three packages with a problem |
| 04:28.03 | treke|home | lemme try building noteit, it uses QDateTime |
| 04:31.39 | treke|home | hmm that worked |
| 04:32.30 | ljp | hmm |
| 04:33.39 | treke|home | ~lart schuring for updating ppp without testing |
| 05:04.17 | treke|home | wtf does opie-batteryapplet depend on opie-security |
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| 05:41.28 | ljp | oh, am I proud of myself. I actually wrote something today |
| 05:41.41 | treke|home | what did you write? |
| 05:44.06 | treke|home | holy crap |
| 05:44.11 | treke|home | gcc3 is my new best friend |
| 05:44.50 | treke|home | too bad only a handful of apps compiled |
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| 05:47.47 | TCMAN | hu |
| 05:49.39 | TCMAN | treke: is it that bad ? |
| 05:49.54 | treke|home | TCMAN: that bad? |
| 05:50.09 | TCMAN | treke: only two programs work with gcc 3 ? |
| 05:50.49 | treke|home | There are more |
| 05:50.59 | treke|home | tinykate works |
| 05:51.06 | treke|home | ftp works |
| 05:51.11 | treke|home | language works |
| 05:51.31 | TCMAN | treke: so whats the deal? is gcc broken or something ? |
| 05:51.42 | treke|home | no. this build is broken |
| 05:51.55 | ljp | man, brittney will kiss madonna, but not me |
| 05:52.04 | TCMAN | i thought gcc 3.x is pretty good |
| 05:52.11 | treke|home | it is |
| 05:52.17 | TCMAN | treke: ah |
| 05:52.31 | TCMAN | ljp: why would you want to be kissed by her ? |
| 05:53.04 | andersee | TCMAN: because she has over $100 million in the bank? |
| 05:53.12 | treke|home | That works for me |
| 05:53.29 | treke|home | TCMAN: have you seen ljp? He needs to take what he can get |
| 05:53.32 | ljp | yup |
| 05:53.43 | TCMAN | andersee: pr0nstars would be better :) |
| 05:54.21 | TCMAN | you know what you get and they have better technique :))) |
| 05:54.59 | andersee | but they don't have $100 million.... |
| 05:55.12 | andersee | geez dude, get your priorities straight |
| 05:55.19 | TCMAN | andersee: kiss bill g then, he has even more :)))) |
| 05:56.20 | andersee | TCMAN: because you didn't get kissed by Britney? |
| 05:56.26 | andersee | ;-) |
| 05:56.39 | TCMAN | andersee: no because i am in process of buying a car :) |
| 05:56.42 | andersee | ahh |
| 05:56.49 | ljp | bill g doesnt have boobs |
| 05:57.01 | TCMAN | yesterday we went to check out this nice pontiac firebird formula :) |
| 05:57.16 | TCMAN | and today i allowed my wife to test drive vw beetle gls |
| 05:57.24 | ljp | today was rather useless, except for the pizza |
| 05:57.29 | andersee | ljp: but for $100 million I bet you'd kiss him? |
| 05:57.37 | ljp | and the madonna/brittney photos |
| 05:57.58 | ljp | hmmm.. I might have to thinkabout that one |
| 05:58.12 | treke|home | For 100 million I'd do a whole lot more than kiss him |
| 06:00.09 | ljp | dude. where's yor pride? |
| 06:00.44 | treke|home | ljp: It will be buried under a pile of money |
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| 06:01.00 | TCMAN | re |
| 06:01.04 | TCMAN | what did i miss ? |
| 06:01.15 | treke|home | TCMAN: you missed me anounce i'm willing to whore myself out |
| 06:01.21 | ljp | treke said he loved bill g |
| 06:01.56 | TCMAN | did you guys see what i wrote about cars ? |
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| 06:02.38 | TCMAN | treke: well, with the money he has bill can get better boobs than brittney :) |
| 06:04.16 | treke|home | wtf |
| 06:04.17 | TCMAN | i'll buy her beetle if she allows me to buy c760 and vaio u101 |
| 06:04.18 | treke|home | I just said that |
| 06:04.45 | treke|home | <tchman's wife> How about you buy me the beetle or you sleep on the couch |
| 06:04.46 | TCMAN | treke: said what ? |
| 06:04.55 | treke|home | "/me has an idea!: |
| 06:05.06 | ljp | well, ol' bill g can never get as good as poonie as brittney |
| 06:05.46 | TCMAN | in US money can buy anything |
| 06:05.58 | treke|home | as the saying goes, money may not buy happiness, but after the drugs, booze, and women you wont care |
| 06:06.33 | TCMAN | indeed |
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| 07:20.31 | stief | hi all |
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| 09:35.37 | Twiun | good morning |
| 09:38.26 | mickeyl | moin Twiun |
| 09:39.43 | Twiun | so, what's new? Still hammering the buildroot with more updates? |
| 09:40.04 | mickeyl | nothing major i'm afraid... |
| 09:46.24 | Twiun | shame :) |
| 09:46.45 | Twiun | pretty much the same here - developing a java app for my company |
| 09:47.00 | Twiun | so not so much time to work on other things |
| 09:47.48 | mickeyl | well... doing maintenance work on buildroot an some stuff for simpad and shepherd... |
| 09:48.06 | mickeyl | however, the world waits for kergoth to eliminate the outstanding bugs in oz-collie and do a release |
| 09:48.20 | mickeyl | but he is a very busy man nowadays ;( |
| 09:49.34 | chouimat | kergoth still alive |
| 09:51.45 | mickeyl | alive yes |
| 09:52.00 | mickeyl | but doing "real work" |
| 09:52.08 | mickeyl | real as in what you get money for ;) |
| 09:52.45 | chouimat | mickeyl: i'm still on vacation so |
| 09:57.15 | mickeyl | anyone familiar with airjack ? |
| 09:59.25 | stief | what's the sammels microcontroller that can run linux ? |
| 10:10.32 | cmartin | hi mickeyl |
| 10:12.22 | cmartin | mickeyl: i'm been having various problems with MDK since the 9.1 Release and I'm thinking about changing to Debian Sarge - Do you think that is a good idea? |
| 10:12.40 | cmartin | s/ i'm / i've |
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| 10:13.41 | cmartin | mickeyl: would there be any issues i would have to consider in regards to buildroot? |
| 10:14.50 | mickeyl | hmm... |
| 10:15.39 | mickeyl | cmartin: I don't like Debian. |
| 10:15.44 | mickeyl | cmartin: But that's me... |
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| 10:18.07 | cmartin | mickeyl: why? |
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| 10:19.24 | mickeyl | cmartin: I like the GUI tools, I like that nearly everything works out-of-the-box, I like urpmi, I like cooker, ... |
| 10:23.03 | cmartin | mickeyl: that's what i like about mdk also, for some reason it doesn't like my DVD/CR-RW in my notebook - i get alot of read errors which makes it almost imposible to burn CDs or watch DVDs |
| 10:23.31 | cmartin | mickeyl: the update from KDE didn't work very well either |
| 10:24.26 | cmartin | mickeyl: even urpmi still has a lot of problems with failed dependencies, which is said to be different with apt |
| 10:25.45 | mickeyl | cmartin: cooker sometimes is in a unusable state, but that's temporary |
| 10:44.03 | prh | mickeyl: did you build the sheperd experimental image? |
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| 11:31.38 | mickeyl | prh: yes |
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| 13:41.53 | prh | mickeyl: I asked you a couple of questions earlier - dunno if you got em, didnt want to answere, or maybe answered in the other half of the netsplit... |
| 13:42.23 | mickeyl | go ahead |
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| 13:44.04 | prh | mickeyl: Ahh. couple of Q's... could I get a copy of your .config? any idea why console output scribbles over the OPIE display? |
| 13:45.10 | mickeyl | because I modifiend CMDLINE in kernel-shepherd/shepherd to do so. we're still in experimental phase and that's why we need debug on console (or serial) |
| 13:45.33 | prh | ahhhh |
| 13:45.54 | mickeyl | prh: my .config is basically def-configs/shepherd-opie |
| 13:47.03 | prh | oh right - the default shepherd-opie doesnt even have stuff like opie selected though |
| 13:47.20 | prh | mickeyl: or am I missing somet |
| 13:47.59 | mickeyl | prh: ups, you're right. missed that. I'll update def-configs/shepherd-opie soon |
| 13:48.21 | prh | ahh cool. I'm not quite mad yet :O) |
| 13:48.54 | prh | what compiler/s are you using? |
| 13:49.05 | mickeyl | oz.org/cross-2.95.3.tar.gz |
| 13:49.13 | mickeyl | _every_ other will fail! |
| 13:49.23 | mickeyl | only use the default eirikm cross-2.95.3 |
| 13:49.24 | prh | you use 2953 for everything? |
| 13:49.27 | mickeyl | yes |
| 13:49.32 | mickeyl | 3.x is not yet there |
| 13:49.34 | prh | eirikm? |
| 13:49.36 | mickeyl | eirikm |
| 13:49.45 | mickeyl | it is in openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/old iirc |
| 13:50.41 | pb_ | erikm, I think |
| 13:51.16 | mickeyl | right |
| 13:51.26 | prh | there is none labelled as erikm... I've been using the cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 from last november |
| 13:51.41 | prh | not the -oz.x.x ones |
| 13:51.43 | mickeyl | that's it |
| 13:51.50 | prh | cool |
| 13:51.56 | prh | I'll have another go then :O) |
| 13:52.47 | prh | I want to put the boot menu in so I can so a pivot_root onto a debian SD filesystem with X and stuff |
| 13:53.10 | mickeyl | sounds interesting. |
| 13:53.40 | prh | I'm a DD and spent much time with Tangent on intimate |
| 13:53.56 | mickeyl | ah. intimate... the good' ole times ;) |
| 13:53.59 | prh | I want a pocket Debian machine - opie is nice... but just not enough |
| 13:55.23 | mickeyl | iirc there was no thing like arch when kergoth started openzaurus |
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| 13:55.40 | Harlekin | lo |
| 13:55.52 | prh | arch was around - but he rejected it cos it was shell and so slow for big projects |
| 13:55.57 | prh | or something like that |
| 13:55.59 | mithro | mickeyl: you in charge of the python stuff? |
| 13:57.05 | mithro | i compiled python for C7x0 only it doesn't run |
| 13:57.18 | mithro | libsip complains about missing symbols in qte |
| 13:57.55 | mickeyl | paste the output |
| 14:00.03 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.03 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.03 | mithro | ImportError: /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2: undefined symbol: _Znaj |
| 14:00.03 | mithro | >>> |
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| 14:00.35 | mickeyl | hmm... looks kinda old |
| 14:00.40 | mickeyl | i updated python to 2.3 |
| 14:00.51 | mickeyl | maybe you have a mismatching sip/python |
| 14:00.56 | mithro | i built it less then one week ago |
| 14:01.08 | mickeyl | and i updated python less then one week ago |
| 14:01.09 | mickeyl | :) |
| 14:01.26 | mithro | must have been just before you updated python :( |
| 14:01.28 | mickeyl | bk pull and do a full rebuild of hostpython,python,sip and python-pyqt |
| 14:01.37 | mickeyl | or use my precompiled feed |
| 14:01.41 | mickeyl | works with c7x0 |
| 14:01.53 | mithro | url? |
| 14:02.28 | mickeyl | ibot: pythonfeed |
| 14:02.29 | | well, pythonfeed is http://opie.net.wox.org/python or http://opie.net.wox.org/python/current |
| 14:03.34 | mithro | do i want current? |
| 14:04.37 | mickeyl | ibot: pythonfeed is http://opie.net.wox.org/python [documentation] or http://opie.net.wox.org/python/current [feed] |
| 14:04.38 | | ...but pythonfeed is already something else... |
| 14:04.54 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 14:05.29 | mickeyl | how do i erase something from ibot? |
| 14:05.45 | mithro | ibot forget pythonfeed |
| 14:05.45 | | i forgot pythonfeed, mithro |
| 14:05.46 | mithro | ? |
| 14:05.51 | mickeyl | ah |
| 14:05.52 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 14:05.58 | mickeyl | ibot: pythonfeed is http://opie.net.wox.org/python [documentation] or http://opie.net.wox.org/python/current [feed] |
| 14:05.59 | | okay, mickeyl |
| 14:06.02 | mickeyl | ibot: pythonfeed |
| 14:06.03 | | from memory, pythonfeed is http://opie.net.wox.org/python [documentation] or http://opie.net.wox.org/python/current [feed] |
| 14:06.07 | mickeyl | yep |
| 14:06.12 | mickeyl | that's it. |
| 14:06.52 | mithro | then i'll give it a wirl and see if it works |
| 14:07.12 | mickeyl | with what compiler did you build the rest of your image? |
| 14:07.17 | mithro | 3.3 |
| 14:07.18 | mickeyl | ouch. |
| 14:07.22 | mickeyl | won't work then |
| 14:07.23 | mithro | ouch? |
| 14:07.24 | mickeyl | sorry |
| 14:07.26 | mithro | ahh :) |
| 14:07.27 | mickeyl | this is a 2.95.3 feed |
| 14:07.30 | stief | anybody know a cheap microcontroller, that is ready to run linux ? |
| 14:07.39 | mithro | bah - thats an old compiler :) |
| 14:07.48 | mithro | i'll try my compatibility libs on python then |
| 14:07.54 | mickeyl | mithro: but the only one to get a working kernel for c7x0, isn't it? |
| 14:08.02 | mithro | yeah |
| 14:08.11 | mithro | but it makes opie so SLOOW on the C7x0 |
| 14:08.15 | mickeyl | i know |
| 14:08.29 | mickeyl | we need 3.3.1 |
| 14:08.31 | pb_ | can't you use different compilers for kernel and opie? |
| 14:08.40 | mithro | pb_: you can |
| 14:08.41 | mickeyl | pb_: you can but its cumbersume |
| 14:08.48 | pb_ | mickeyl: ah |
| 14:08.51 | mithro | buildroot makes it easy |
| 14:08.58 | mickeyl | no it doesn't |
| 14:09.04 | mithro | it has an option, "use 2.95.3 for kernel" |
| 14:09.06 | mickeyl | that PREFER stuff doesn't work for me |
| 14:09.16 | mickeyl | or at least it is not implemented in all kernels |
| 14:09.18 | mithro | i havn't had any problem with it here |
| 14:09.22 | mickeyl | are you sure? |
| 14:09.27 | mickeyl | for kernel-shepherd? |
| 14:09.35 | mithro | kernel-corgi |
| 14:10.08 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 14:10.12 | mickeyl | gonna try that again sometimes |
| 14:10.43 | mickeyl | does it also work with the external modules like hostap, orinoco, etc.? |
| 14:10.51 | mithro | yeah |
| 14:10.59 | mithro | well - from what i could see |
| 14:11.00 | mickeyl | k, then it evaluates KERNEL= |
| 14:11.39 | mithro | i could be wrong - i don't use my own kernels very often |
| 14:11.43 | mithro | no need to |
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| 14:18.15 | prh | hmm trying to make a linksys wcf11 work with mickeyl's kernel/root on a shep... iwconfig shows the card - but no essid... and setting one makes no difference. any ideas? (It's using hostap_cs) |
| 14:19.17 | mickeyl | hmm.... which hostap version? |
| 14:19.25 | mithro | mickeyl: well python works with my compat libs |
| 14:19.29 | prh | mickeyl: errr yours |
| 14:19.33 | mickeyl | mickeyl: now thats cool |
| 14:19.47 | mickeyl | prh: umm - and you think I know all versions of all packages of all builds I do? |
| 14:19.51 | kergoth`zzz | mickeyl: yes, the KERNEL var is what controls whether a given package is affected by that option |
| 14:20.00 | mickeyl | kergoth`zzz: k. |
| 14:20.04 | prh | mickeyl: erm... :O) |
| 14:20.04 | mithro | arg! the qt module isn't documentated! |
| 14:20.05 | mickeyl | hi btw. |
| 14:20.34 | mickeyl | mithro: missing __doc__? complain to Phil. |
| 14:20.39 | prh | mickeyl: how do I find the version? |
| 14:20.45 | mithro | yeah - no __doc__ |
| 14:20.46 | mickeyl | prh: ipkg status <package> |
| 14:21.09 | mithro | that kinda kills my plan to read the documentation in the python it'self |
| 14:21.58 | prh | prh: duh! |
| 14:22.03 | mithro | where can i find doco on how to use qt from python? |
| 14:22.09 | prh | mickeyl: 1:0.0.3-1 |
| 14:22.11 | mickeyl | mithro: well - that would make the pyqt libraries a _lot_ thicker. let alone that someone would have to write a conversion script from doxygen to python docstrings |
| 14:22.15 | mickeyl | mithro: doc.trolltech.com |
| 14:22.20 | mickeyl | prh: hmm... looks good. no idea. |
| 14:22.34 | prh | mickeyl: hmm |
| 14:22.35 | prh | weird |
| 14:23.07 | mickeyl | mithro: this it THE cool thing in PyQt. The mapping is so natural, that you just use the C++ doc. |
| 14:23.20 | mithro | okay |
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| 14:23.46 | pb_ | hi kergoth |
| 14:23.49 | prh | mickeyl: you didn't compile any blues stuff in did y ou? |
| 14:23.49 | mithro | mickeyl: yeah i could see that it would blot the package |
| 14:23.53 | prh | evening kergoth |
| 14:23.59 | kergoth | hey pb_, etc |
| 14:24.03 | mithro | kergoth: any news on the keyboard front? |
| 14:24.23 | mickeyl | prh: no. i don't like bluetooth :D |
| 14:24.28 | mickeyl | heh |
| 14:25.02 | prh | mickeyl: pah :O) |
| 14:25.22 | mickeyl | well... this is OpenZaurus. This is writable. compile what you need |
| 14:25.45 | mithro | well i'm off to bed |
| 14:25.46 | prh | mickeyl: I'm trying.... :O( |
| 14:25.48 | mithro | have a good night people |
| 14:25.52 | prh | night mithro |
| 14:26.10 | mickeyl | n8 mickeyl |
| 14:26.11 | mickeyl | argh |
| 14:26.13 | mickeyl | n8 mithro |
| 14:26.16 | mickeyl | ~lart tab completion |
| 14:27.41 | pb_ | heh |
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| 14:29.58 | prh | hmm on a 750 - how do I do a control char? |
| 14:30.22 | kergoth | i dont think any key is mapped to ctrl in sharp's default keymap |
| 14:30.29 | kergoth | *cough*dumbasses*cough* |
| 14:30.33 | prh | hehe |
| 14:30.52 | mithro | can't do alt either |
| 14:31.14 | mithro | anyway i'm really gone now |
| 14:31.16 | mithro | see ya |
| 14:31.54 | mickeyl | cu |
| 14:32.23 | mickeyl | on externe.net/forum there was a patch posted which maps the japaneese chars to alt/ctrl. we might include that |
| 14:32.55 | prh | oh do! |
| 14:37.15 | liyang | Are those actually extra keys? I was looking at a picture of a B500 and they seem to be in exactly the same position where my `Tab' is. |
| 14:37.48 | mickeyl | on my c7x0, tab is tab |
| 14:38.04 | pb_ | that's a happy coincidence. |
| 14:38.07 | mickeyl | the japaneese ones are between FN and "-" |
| 14:38.12 | mickeyl | indeed :D |
| 14:39.01 | prh | shouldn't be hard to remap them |
| 14:40.48 | kergoth | "someone" needs to finish our keysym->qtkeycode table |
| 14:40.59 | mickeyl | gb2? |
| 14:41.07 | mickeyl | where art though |
| 14:41.12 | mickeyl | :D |
| 14:41.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:41.20 | kergoth | i wish i had the time |
| 14:41.42 | mickeyl | we all know you are _pretty_ busy |
| 14:41.54 | mickeyl | it's just sucky that we have only you as kernel developer |
| 14:42.16 | kergoth | yeah. the only ohter oz/oe user with kernel exp is schurig, and he's busy with ramses i'm sure |
| 14:42.24 | kergoth | s/user/dev/ |
| 14:49.53 | prh | bah |
| 14:49.55 | prh | checking version of sed... 3.02, ok |
| 14:49.55 | prh | checking for autoconf... autoconf |
| 14:49.58 | prh | checking whether autoconf works... yes |
| 14:50.00 | prh | configure: error: |
| 14:50.03 | prh | *** These critical programs are missing or too old: as ld gcc |
| 14:50.05 | prh | *** Check the INSTALL file for required versions. |
| 14:50.08 | prh | make[1]: *** [/home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/stamps/.glibc-2.3.binary] Error 1 |
| 14:50.11 | prh | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/packages/glibc-2.3.2' |
| 14:50.14 | prh | make: *** [packages/glibc-2.3.2] Error 2 |
| 14:50.20 | kergoth | yuo need to use a gcc3 chain to build glibc 2.3.x |
| 14:50.24 | kergoth | s/yuo/you/ |
| 14:50.33 | prh | argh :O) |
| 14:50.39 | kergoth | also, buildroot's automatic toolchain switching is pretty flaky right now |
| 14:51.35 | prh | currently I got CONFIG_USERGCC3VER="2.95.3" |
| 14:51.35 | prh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.43 | mickeyl | choose the proper combination of toolchain and glibc and it will work. |
| 14:51.54 | kergoth | eh, why is your gcc3 version 2.95.3? |
| 14:51.59 | prh | hmm |
| 14:52.07 | prh | cos 3.3.x wasnt working |
| 14:52.17 | kergoth | if you dont have gcc3, DONT TELL BUILDROOT YOU HAVE GCC3 |
| 14:52.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:53.30 | prh | I do have it "http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/cross-3.3.1pre-oz1.tar.bz2" |
| 14:53.38 | prh | as /usr/local/arm/3.3 |
| 14:54.10 | prh | I'm gonna get this working even if it kills me |
| 14:54.42 | kergoth | then set your version to 3.3 |
| 14:54.46 | kergoth | not 2.95.3 |
| 14:55.01 | kergoth | if you dont want to use gcc3.3, tell buildroot youdont have it, dont try and hack the version |
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| 14:55.41 | prh | should I use cross-3.3-oz1.tar.bz2 rather then the 3.3.1pre-oz1 ? |
| 14:55.47 | kergoth | no |
| 14:55.54 | kergoth | 3.3.1 is the preferred 3.x chain |
| 14:56.00 | prh | ok |
| 14:56.03 | kergoth | its been very solid in my experience so far |
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| 14:58.38 | prh | kergoth: but keep 2953 for kernel? |
| 15:00.55 | kergoth | prh: yes |
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| 15:34.40 | chouimat | hi TimRiker |
| 15:46.56 | Twiun | I'm no longer unemployed! |
| 15:47.11 | pb_ | Twiun: yay! |
| 15:47.15 | kergoth | nice |
| 15:47.17 | mickeyl | Twiun: congrats |
| 15:47.17 | kergoth | Twiun: congrats |
| 15:48.05 | Twiun | thanks :) |
| 15:54.24 | treke | mornin pb |
| 15:54.26 | treke | mornin kergoth |
| 15:54.29 | treke | moring Twiun |
| 15:54.44 | pb_ | hey treke |
| 15:55.07 | Twiun | hey treke |
| 16:03.15 | treke | kergoth: Is the keymap that needs work done for the c7x0 the kernel keymap or the keyboard-2.3.6 patch? |
| 16:03.37 | kergoth | the keyboard patch will fix the probs with c7x0, poodle, and collie 2.4.21 |
| 16:03.45 | kergoth | er, fixing the keyboard patch will, that is |
| 16:03.51 | kergoth | we need a new keysym->qtkeycode table |
| 16:03.54 | treke | ok, so it's the patch that is broken? |
| 16:03.59 | kergoth | not broken, incomplete |
| 16:04.03 | treke | ah |
| 16:04.04 | kergoth | read the comments at the top of the file |
| 16:04.07 | treke | hehe |
| 16:04.10 | treke | rtfm :p |
| 16:04.18 | kergoth | s/m/c/ |
| 16:04.19 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:04.52 | kergoth | talk to gb2 and a few others in here aboutt it |
| 16:04.56 | kergoth | i've exlpained it a few times now |
| 16:05.01 | treke | ok |
| 16:05.09 | treke | good thing I have comprehensive logs |
| 16:05.10 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.18 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:06.15 | treke | ljp: you still up? |
| 16:08.44 | treke | ljp: There is a patch in mantis for a keypebble bug that probably exists in the version that trolltech distributes |
| 16:14.01 | prh | Twiun: what laptop did you get? |
| 16:14.17 | Twiun | prh: ibm thinkpad R40e |
| 16:14.24 | Twiun | prh: 2.2GHz p4 mobile 256mb ram and 30gb disk |
| 16:15.10 | prh | nice |
| 16:15.35 | Twiun | wasn't too expensive by UK standards either, £727 inc vat |
| 16:15.41 | prh | ok - what have I done wrong here... |
| 16:15.42 | prh | paul@wacka:~/Z/b/buildroot-oz$ make |
| 16:15.42 | prh | Generating dependency information... |
| 16:15.42 | prh | make: Circular packages/mtd <- packages/ipkg-utils dependency dropped. |
| 16:15.42 | prh | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/packages/mtd' |
| 16:15.44 | prh | /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/scripts/getsource -sourcetree `/home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/scripts/getsource -source -printonly ":pserver:anoncvs@cvs.infradead.org:/home/cvs module=mtd; /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/packages/mtd/mkfs.jffs2.patch" /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/sources/` /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/build/mtd && touch /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/stamps/.mtd.sourcetree; |
| 16:15.50 | prh | cp -au /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/sources/mtd/* /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/build/mtd/ |
| 16:15.54 | prh | /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/scripts/patcher -p 1 -i /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/packages/mtd/mkfs.jffs2.patch |
| 16:15.57 | prh | NOTE: import patch '/home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/packages/mtd/mkfs.jffs2.patch' as 'mkfs.jffs2' |
| 16:16.00 | prh | NOTE: patch with name 'mkfs.jffs2' already applied |
| 16:16.02 | prh | ERROR: patch did not apply, try again with force (-f -i ...) |
| 16:16.05 | prh | Patch had errors |
| 16:16.08 | prh | make[1]: *** [/home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/stamps/.mtd.sourcetree] Error 1 |
| 16:16.10 | prh | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/packages/mtd' |
| 16:16.12 | prh | make: *** [packages/mtd] Error 2 |
| 16:16.16 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/mtd mrproper; make SUBDIRS=packages/mtd |
| 16:16.50 | prh | ok |
| 16:17.04 | prh | buildroot seems really clever - but I can't get my head round it yet |
| 16:17.27 | kergoth | its alot simpler than you think, and simultaniously more complex than you'd like. |
| 16:17.43 | prh | and it's a funny mix of bk (uegh) cvs (eugh) ftp... |
| 16:17.50 | Twiun | cd "prh's head";bk pull;make mrproper;make |
| 16:18.11 | Twiun | oh, and make install :) |
| 16:18.21 | kergoth | out of curiosity, whats the difference between uegh and eugh? |
| 16:18.22 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:18.43 | treke | the ammount of ack |
| 16:18.51 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:19.09 | prh | kergoth: not really sure - could be finger precision or just an inability to decide how it should be spelled |
| 16:19.48 | prh | kergoth: that didn't work - it did the cvs fetch again but still complains about the patch - right I'm starting with a totally fresh bk pull |
| 16:19.53 | treke | kergoth: Did a gcc3 image. Really nice :p |
| 16:20.19 | prh | treke: what machine? |
| 16:20.27 | treke | prh: husk |
| 16:20.28 | treke | prh: husky |
| 16:20.40 | kergoth | prh: try applying the ptach manually |
| 16:20.41 | kergoth | patch |
| 16:20.45 | kergoth | without patcher |
| 16:20.53 | treke | herasy |
| 16:21.10 | Twiun | heresy or hearsay? |
| 16:21.15 | prh | oh thats a point - in menuconfig when there is an editable field - I can't edit it. I can type but not delete... so I have to vi the .config - is that normal? |
| 16:21.16 | treke | heresy |
| 16:21.20 | treke | spelling nazi |
| 16:21.32 | Twiun | hey! it was ambiguous there |
| 16:23.00 | kergoth | prh: terminal type / backspace behavior issue, i'd say |
| 16:23.11 | kergoth | prh: try doing a stty erase ^H or ^? |
| 16:24.24 | prh | tried that |
| 16:24.31 | prh | just weird |
| 16:24.35 | prh | could be a woody thing |
| 16:24.52 | kergoth | i get that when i run menuconfig from aterm, but not when i run it from pure console |
| 16:24.55 | kergoth | oddly enough |
| 16:26.44 | treke | anyone seen a SEGV when doing cat /dev/fb0? |
| 16:27.06 | treke | using a recent buildroot, preferably not on a husky or shepherd |
| 16:27.38 | liyang | What's the `proper' way of asking buildroot to make _both_ GCC 2.95 and 3.3.1? |
| 16:27.46 | prh | hmm |
| 16:27.59 | kergoth | liyang: in one pass? i've never tried |
| 16:28.19 | kergoth | i doubt you can, since they're 'choice' blocks, not normal config items |
| 16:29.27 | liyang | Yup, I see that... but as buildroot would ideally use both, thought that might be a handy thing for it to do. |
| 16:29.46 | kergoth | Patches Welcome. |
| 16:29.55 | treke | ideally it would use both. In practice it doesnt :) |
| 16:30.13 | kergoth | that can be fixed :) |
| 16:30.14 | liyang | :) |
| 16:30.29 | treke | requires a non-lazy developer :) |
| 16:30.42 | kergoth | treke: do those exist? i thought they were a myth. |
| 16:30.47 | treke | nope |
| 16:31.33 | treke | hmmm. eilers commited some c760 stuff to opie |
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| 16:43.00 | treke | kergoth: you want husky images in official/experimental or unofficial/experimental? |
| 16:44.58 | Taekero | awesome... poodle is on its way... hehe |
| 16:53.51 | liyang | Is `intented' a word? |
| 16:54.30 | Twiun | ibot: spell intended |
| 16:54.31 | | 'intended' may be spelled correctly |
| 16:54.43 | Twiun | ^^ is probably what was intended :) |
| 16:54.52 | liyang | If so, could someone look it up and parse this for me? ``this is a bogus comment that will never display and makes sure that the gcc choice is never intented'' |
| 16:55.20 | liyang | I can't make sense of that... ^_^; |
| 16:58.25 | Twiun | no idea either |
| 16:59.09 | liyang | Ah well. I got rid of the line. |
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| 17:02.33 | Bernardo | hi |
| 17:03.20 | Taekero | hrm, /unofficial/experimental/poodle, does it run... without any bricking risks? |
| 17:08.48 | Taekero | bah, just my luck, gotta run |
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| 17:27.15 | Twiun | Harlekin: thanks for the heads up |
| 17:31.11 | Harlekin | ? |
| 17:31.37 | pb_ | Harlekin: I think he was thanking you for the heads up. |
| 17:32.31 | Harlekin | whats that |
| 17:35.46 | Twiun | letting me know that opie cvs has that popup when a prog fails to start |
| 17:36.26 | treke | Harlekin: With the new launchers o-menu, is it supposed to not list applications under the categories anymore? |
| 17:36.39 | Harlekin | treke: discussion on that |
| 17:36.44 | Harlekin | for small screen you dont need it |
| 17:36.53 | Harlekin | but somebody could reinsert that code as option |
| 17:36.57 | treke | ok |
| 17:37.29 | Harlekin | its about 10 lines |
| 17:37.30 | treke | It's also showing the opie-sh tab on the O-menu even though the launcher hides the empty directory |
| 17:37.51 | Harlekin | Twiun: ah, was that report from you |
| 17:39.32 | Harlekin | treke: ok, todo |
| 17:39.52 | liyang | So where do OZ patches go then? |
| 17:39.56 | Twiun | Harlekin: yup |
| 17:40.19 | Twiun | liyang: to any OZ developer with write access - usually kergoth :) |
| 17:41.00 | treke | patch to what? |
| 17:41.30 | treke | usually best to send the patch to the package maintainer if one still exists :p |
| 17:41.59 | liyang | 17:27:28 < liyang > What's the `proper' way of asking buildroot to make _both_ GCC 2.95 and 3.3.1? [...] 17:29:35 < kergoth@> Patches Welcome. |
| 17:42.09 | treke | that is definitly a kergoth patch |
| 17:42.41 | liyang | kergoth: ping? |
| 17:42.51 | treke | liyang: email it to kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 17:43.07 | liyang | bah. What's this newfangled email thing? |
| 17:43.25 | treke | or the better way. bk send it :) |
| 17:43.42 | liyang | Eek no. I'm not touching bk... :) |
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| 18:17.34 | treke | aha! |
| 18:18.08 | treke | kergoth: /home/QtPalmtop/bin/chkhinge |
| 18:18.14 | Harlekin | treke: nelson is htere now |
| 18:18.22 | treke | what was I asking nelson about? |
| 18:19.56 | Harlekin | treke: c760 scap |
| 18:19.59 | treke | ah |
| 18:21.32 | kergoth | treke: chkhinge? nice! |
| 18:22.17 | Harlekin | what is it? |
| 18:23.50 | treke | It's an app on the sharp rom |
| 18:24.02 | treke | looks like it checks screen rotation |
| 18:24.12 | treke | rev is going to email it to me |
| 18:24.14 | kergoth | so we can finally finish our screen rot handling |
| 18:24.14 | kergoth | cool |
| 18:24.21 | chouimat | hi guys |
| 18:24.55 | treke | kergoth: yeah. Questions is how much reverse engineering it will need :p |
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| 18:49.27 | Speedy2 | pb_: Yo |
| 18:55.09 | treke | hehe. thank god scummvm didnt work or I'd have never seen that line in the SDL patch :p |
| 18:58.12 | pb_ | heh, what line is that? |
| 19:01.57 | treke | pb_: the one where sdl calls out to an external program to check rotation :p |
| 19:03.52 | pb_ | aha |
| 19:10.15 | prh | liboop wont build for me - do I need it? |
| 19:18.07 | kergoth | zecke pulled in mithro's resolution changing code eh? nice |
| 19:18.53 | treke | ok |
| 19:19.30 | cyn_ | mm res changing and screen rotation |
| 19:19.47 | treke | i looks like an apm ioctl |
| 19:21.01 | cyn_ | /dev/apm_bios |
| 19:21.07 | treke | http://ent.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/chkhinge.log |
| 19:21.15 | kergoth | sharp loves throwing random crap in ioctls on apm_bios |
| 19:21.19 | kergoth | even shit that doesnt belong there |
| 19:21.21 | kergoth | its odd |
| 19:21.30 | treke | a result of 3 is view mode |
| 19:21.52 | treke | wait. 2 is view mode |
| 19:22.10 | treke | 0 is open input mode |
| 19:22.19 | treke | 3 is closed |
| 19:22.45 | treke | wonder what 1 is |
| 19:23.42 | cyn_ | you could be mid rotation |
| 19:23.48 | cyn_ | there are two switches |
| 19:24.03 | treke | it doesnt seem to be. I tried midroations |
| 19:24.14 | chouimat | kergoth: hi |
| 19:24.18 | cyn_ | funky |
| 19:25.20 | treke | cyn_: Either way should only be a five minute app to rewrite. Then it just needs opie support :p |
| 19:25.23 | cyn_ | what are you defining 'open input' as |
| 19:25.26 | cyn_ | yeah |
| 19:25.44 | cyn_ | if its like switch 1 switch 2 as 00 01 10 or 11 then it'd make sense to get 0 and 3 |
| 19:26.09 | cyn_ | theres lid closed, laptop, and pda modes |
| 19:26.13 | treke | k |
| 19:26.22 | treke | 2 is pda. 0 is laptop. 3 is closed |
| 19:26.31 | cyn_ | lid closed both pins are in, laptop neither are in, and pda mode one is in |
| 19:26.40 | cyn_ | yea and mid rotation is equivalent to laptop |
| 19:27.05 | cyn_ | so the switch ordering is under-hinge / above 1 |
| 19:27.16 | cyn_ | not that any of this has any bearing besides curiosity |
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| 19:41.53 | icefox | Hey there |
| 19:42.04 | icefox | key access on buttons work in qtopia right? |
| 19:45.37 | treke | http://ent.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/chkhinge.c |
| 19:52.34 | chouimat | ok guys I'm leaving for the pub and for prague tomorrow so see you when I back home next week |
| 19:58.36 | Bernardo | have fun, chouimat |
| 19:58.45 | kergoth | treke: nice, so now you just need it to check that when opie starts (ODevice construction) and on resume (ODevice suspend function) |
| 19:58.55 | treke | kergoth: yup |
| 19:59.08 | icefox | Hey if anyone needs something fixed in Qtopia you can bug me and I can bug TT :-D |
| 19:59.19 | kergoth | or we can bug ljp, who works at TT |
| 19:59.23 | chouimat | kergoth: i just need to tell chicks are fucking hot in Czech republic I have some very nice picture |
| 19:59.28 | icefox | hey forgot about that! |
| 19:59.32 | treke | kergoth: In theory X could do this also |
| 19:59.35 | Bernardo | the todo list needs fixing... |
| 19:59.39 | kergoth | chouimat: nice |
| 20:00.02 | kergoth | can X rotate without a restart? |
| 20:00.07 | chouimat | kergoth: wait i will show you the picture of the guide at the brewerie |
| 20:00.07 | treke | yeah |
| 20:00.14 | kergoth | cool |
| 20:00.28 | treke | kergoth: X has been able to do that longer than the zaurus has been shipping :p |
| 20:00.41 | chouimat | kergoth: http://www.suse.de/~cs/NoveHrady-Aug-2003/Day6 - Budweis/tn/pict1370.jpg.html |
| 20:05.13 | chouimat | kergoth: and http://genetic.homeip.net:2001/pic/index.php?album=europe%2F20030825%2F&pic=IMG_1960.JPG |
| 20:06.08 | Bernardo | kergoth: I know I am a bore, but I still can't get libxine to compile... |
| 20:06.22 | chouimat | ok i'm off |
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| 20:18.11 | treke | kergoth: after I set flipstate, how can I refresh the screen? |
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| 20:38.34 | bipolar | looks quiet... |
| 20:38.44 | bipolar | I got my Zaurus back today! |
| 20:38.48 | bipolar | w00t! |
| 20:39.08 | bipolar | now I just have to get this sharp rom shit off of it... heh |
| 20:43.33 | _Yog_ | I want to compile my own kernel ... I downloaded the 2.4.19 vanilla-kernel and wanted to apply the patch patch-2.4.19-rmk7 (from ftp.arm.linux.uk). However patch complains about already applied patches. What am I doing wrong ? |
| 20:51.59 | bipolar | what are you trying to compile the kernel for? |
| 20:56.01 | _Yog_ | I am just experimenting with an simpad image. The original x11-image contained a kernel, however the switches-part does not work. |
| 20:57.07 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 21:00.29 | _Yog_ | mmmh ... strange ... 2.4.18-rmk7 works without a problem. |
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| 21:02.37 | noda | Moo! |
| 21:05.40 | treke | moo |
| 21:17.13 | _Yog_ | mmmh ... same error again: make zImage yields: switches.h:16: linux/switches.h: No such file or directory ... ?!?!?! |
| 21:18.14 | kergoth | what kernel are you trying to build? |
| 21:18.38 | treke | kergoth: first run at suspend/resume rotaton is compiling |
| 21:19.43 | _Yog_ | kergoth: 2.4.18-rmk7 |
| 21:22.11 | _Yog_ | sorry .. it's 2.4.18-rmk7-jmp4 ... patch from opensimpad.org ... and that patch includes the switches.h ... |
| 21:24.35 | kergoth | treke: nice |
| 21:24.46 | treke | hehe. broke suspend :p |
| 21:24.54 | treke | let's see if init booting works |
| 21:25.43 | treke | booted, but set rotation wrong |
| 21:25.44 | treke | duh |
| 21:25.59 | treke | helps if I install chkhinge |
| 21:26.07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:28.09 | treke | kergoth: did you write down which key rotates the screen? |
| 21:28.19 | treke | or do I just need to pull out keytab |
| 21:29.52 | treke | ok. boot up orientation is right |
| 21:32.13 | kergoth | treke: i dont recall |
| 21:32.16 | treke | kergoth: is the Z apm implementation synchronous? |
| 21:32.37 | treke | hehe |
| 21:33.29 | treke | kergoth makes a poor reference manual |
| 21:34.27 | kergoth | indeed |
| 21:35.07 | treke | haha. oz does the right thing with dhcp |
| 21:35.24 | treke | ggilbert@dreamland:~$ host 10.52.2.87 |
| 21:35.24 | treke | 87.2.52.10.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer openzaurus.colbip.brooks.edu. |
| 21:43.11 | treke | aaaaarg |
| 21:43.31 | treke | the suspend button doesnt call ODevice::suspend(); |
| 21:44.54 | treke | and it takes so long to suspend that the device tries rotating before the suspend occurs :p |
| 21:45.35 | kergoth | suspend button doesnt call ODevice::suspend? |
| 21:45.42 | treke | doesnt look like it |
| 21:45.44 | kergoth | does Zaurus provide its own suspend method? |
| 21:45.55 | treke | it didnt, it does now |
| 21:46.23 | treke | oh wait |
| 21:46.28 | treke | it's the same bug |
| 21:46.52 | treke | kergoth: When I resumed, after using the power button it would never rotate, but that's because it had already tried doing the rotate :p |
| 21:47.14 | treke | I think this means the zaurus has an asynchronous apm implementation |
| 21:47.33 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:48.01 | treke | so I bumped the wait time up from 1.5 seconds to 3 |
| 21:48.08 | treke | we'll see if it can come down any |
| 21:53.21 | treke | takes about 10 seconds to suspend |
| 21:55.54 | kergoth | thats due to the workaround |
| 21:56.04 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.05 | treke | bleh. |
| 21:56.07 | kergoth | rather than calling the binary |
| 21:56.15 | kergoth | which is why itd behave as async even if apm_bios is sync |
| 21:56.33 | kergoth | if you tell the apm binary to suspend via normal means while apmd has the device open, the Z will never resume |
| 21:56.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:56.41 | treke | I noticed |
| 21:57.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:57.19 | treke | who should I kill? |
| 21:57.46 | kergoth | random people at sharp |
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| 22:03.20 | treke | hmmm. APMD is GPL. Shouldnt sharp be releasing source for that |
| 22:04.29 | treke | apmd-2.4 |
| 22:04.32 | treke | fuck thats old |
| 22:07.46 | Taekero | okay, back to my quesion from earlier, does /unofficial/experimental/poodle run... and do i risk bricking? |
| 22:07.52 | Taekero | heh |
| 22:08.07 | treke | same answer as earlier |
| 22:08.14 | treke | apparently no one knows |
| 22:08.43 | Taekero | i wasn't here if it was answered.... heh had to run sadly |
| 22:09.00 | Taekero | hrm |
| 22:16.37 | treke | key 102 :p |
| 22:17.51 | Taekero | with the updater.pro, it scares me... makes me think i might never have the same zaurus again |
| 22:17.53 | Taekero | heh |
| 22:38.35 | treke | hey mickey |
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| 22:39.29 | mickeyl | re |
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| 22:44.21 | ljp | hmm, where is icefox working at? |
| 22:45.19 | treke | mickeyl: We now have proper rotation at first boot and after suspend |
| 22:45.37 | mickeyl | treke: oh cool - how's that? |
| 22:45.40 | treke | mickeyl: Trying to figure out how to rotate on keycode 102 |
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| 22:46.49 | mickeyl | treke: that should be kindof easy. odevice gets the keycodes doesn't it? |
| 22:47.06 | mickeyl | if so, then it is responsible for setCurrentRotation() |
| 22:47.38 | treke | http://ent.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/rotate.patch |
| 22:48.54 | treke | mickeyl: It sets the default buttons, but do we want to treat it as a button and let users remap it? |
| 22:49.24 | mickeyl | treke: yes we do. I could imagine wanting to disable it or calling an application. That way it is more flexible. |
| 22:49.31 | treke | ok |
| 22:49.47 | mickeyl | nice patch, btw. is that already in ? |
| 22:49.50 | treke | nope |
| 22:49.53 | mickeyl | k |
| 22:49.59 | treke | I wanted to see if I could get on the fly rotation |
| 22:50.13 | treke | which doesnt seem to want to work, so I need to poke about more tonight |
| 22:50.17 | mickeyl | great. |
| 22:50.47 | mickeyl | opie 1.0.2 will be _so_ much better |
| 22:50.59 | treke | mickeyl: Its sad. I do a busy loop for 13 seconds after calling apm so that the rotation attempt doesnt happen before the suspend occurs :p |
| 22:51.18 | mickeyl | treke: *cough*... don't tell anyone ;) |
| 22:51.27 | noda | Is it just me who finds that the 'scanning for documents...' takes way too long in Opie? :) |
| 22:51.36 | treke | noda: wait for the next builds |
| 22:51.39 | noda | Cool :) |
| 22:51.43 | treke | mickeyl: It does that for ipaq also |
| 22:51.45 | noda | treke: Where can I find the next builds, btw? :) |
| 22:51.49 | noda | I'm using pre-1.0 |
| 22:51.54 | mickeyl | noda: wait for 1.0.2 |
| 22:51.57 | noda | Heh :) |
| 22:52.01 | treke | mickeyl: except on the ipaq it only needs to loop for 1.5 seconds :p |
| 22:52.23 | mickeyl | treke: suspend and resume is ridicolously long on c7x0. that is the fault of hotplug |
| 22:52.52 | treke | resume is really snappy |
| 22:52.55 | treke | it's the suspend that is bad |
| 22:53.02 | mickeyl | treke: do you have the patch to map the japanese keys to ctrl + alt handy? |
| 22:53.10 | treke | nope |
| 22:53.19 | mickeyl | treke: ok, then i will search it again and will apply it to buildroot. |
| 22:53.21 | treke | I dont have any patches that arent in buildroot and I havent written ;p |
| 22:53.33 | treke | mickeyl: why not put it into opie cvs? |
| 22:53.46 | mickeyl | treke: no it belongs into buildroot, because it is a kernel patch |
| 22:53.50 | treke | ah |
| 23:03.04 | treke | bout time amazon shipped my order |
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| 23:05.27 | mickeyl | ctrl+alt patch is in. |
| 23:05.36 | mickeyl | no idea if it works though ;) |
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| 23:21.17 | aman | sup |
| 23:21.28 | mickeyl | yo tmm |
| 23:21.58 | aman | i'm trying to write a grep to grab all mysql select queries.. the preg equivalent of /"SELECT.+?"/i in grep |
| 23:23.02 | aman | its hard |
| 23:23.03 | aman | =P |
| 23:23.06 | aman | mickeyl whats new |
| 23:23.13 | treke | yo mickey |
| 23:23.20 | treke | er aman |
| 23:23.33 | mickeyl | more shepherd and husky support, nothing for collie though :( |
| 23:23.47 | treke | no one likes collie |
| 23:23.51 | mickeyl | i do |
| 23:23.57 | mickeyl | but i know nothing 'bout kernel dev |
| 23:23.59 | treke | no you dont |
| 23:24.01 | mickeyl | and i won't learn it. |
| 23:24.07 | aman | lol |
| 23:24.13 | aman | rewrite the kernel in python |
| 23:24.19 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 23:24.24 | aman | i watched revolution os the other day, anyone seen it? |
| 23:24.54 | mickeyl | i already know too much stuff in userspace.... if i learn more kernel space i will start to forget userspace stuff.... kelly bundy brain-like :D |
| 23:24.58 | treke | so, uhm. Does anyone know what the battery switch does? |
| 23:25.10 | mickeyl | treke: frankly it does.... |
| 23:25.13 | mickeyl | .... nothing! |
| 23:25.20 | mickeyl | at least in the current embedix kernel |
| 23:25.29 | mickeyl | but it is detected |
| 23:25.31 | Speedy2 | treke: Battery switch on ? |
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| 23:25.40 | mickeyl | so we may could rewrite this to get an actual reset |
| 23:25.42 | treke | the 700 |
| 23:26.00 | treke | mickeyl: I'm with you there |
| 23:26.07 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: best news: mega cool opie upgrade ahead |
| 23:26.15 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 23:26.16 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new |
| 23:26.18 | TheMasterMind1 | in new opie |
| 23:26.24 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: much faster application launcher |
| 23:26.40 | TheMasterMind1 | oooh |
| 23:26.41 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 23:26.48 | Speedy2 | Sigh, I need episodes of Knight Rider. |
| 23:27.08 | treke | any particular reason? |
| 23:27.18 | Speedy2 | I like it? |
| 23:27.43 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:27.45 | TheMasterMind1 | check suprnova.org |
| 23:27.47 | TheMasterMind1 | they might have it |
| 23:27.48 | Speedy2 | Plus, how can you not like Kitt? |
| 23:28.20 | Speedy2 | The website you have requested has exceeded its daily bandwidth quota of 56MB and has been temporarily de-activated. It will automatically be re-activated within 24 hrs. |
| 23:29.10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:29.12 | TheMasterMind1 | what about www.suprnova.org |
| 23:29.18 | TheMasterMind1 | or torrentfiles.com |
| 23:29.36 | TheMasterMind1 | wow, thats an awful bandwidth quota |
| 23:34.40 | mickeyl | treke: ever tried to flash from SD or USB? |
| 23:34.45 | treke | no |
| 23:34.49 | mickeyl | i wonder how/if USB works... |
| 23:37.47 | mickeyl | hmm... any object to making kernel-image a virtual package? it seems dumb to include the zImage which resides on a seperate flash partition anyway... |
| 23:37.53 | mickeyl | s/object/objection |
| 23:38.07 | mickeyl | at least on arm systems |
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| 23:47.09 | mickeyl | hah |
| 23:47.11 | mickeyl | late :) |
| 23:47.20 | mickeyl | insomnia? |
| 23:47.21 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 23:47.26 | cmartin | yeah |
| 23:47.50 | cmartin | just install knoppix to hd |
| 23:48.09 | cmartin | now i have a debian installation |
| 23:48.54 | mickeyl | cmartin: it would be wise to delay OpenSIMpad 0.8.1 a bit... |
| 23:49.27 | mickeyl | cmartin: opie 1.0.2 is nearly ready which contains a new launcher which starts applications _much_ faster. |
| 23:49.41 | cmartin | mickeyl: yes, it would be great if we could solve the opie-login,switches problem |
| 23:49.54 | mickeyl | cmartin: we will just patch the call to opie-login out. |
| 23:49.57 | cmartin | k, that sounds good |
| 23:50.07 | mickeyl | cmartin: i don't see its use on the SIMpad anyway. |
| 23:50.19 | mickeyl | at least currently. |
| 23:50.33 | cmartin | my opinion also |
| 23:51.18 | cmartin | if we could just get rid of that sound bug, i think the users would be very pleased |
| 23:51.27 | mickeyl | i know i know... |
| 23:52.12 | mickeyl | we may can pester zecke to do that |
| 23:53.52 | Speedy2 | Why was Opie slow at launching applications before? |
| 23:54.05 | mickeyl | c++ relocating symbols. |
| 23:54.17 | mickeyl | libqte, libqpe, libopie contains a _lot_ of symbols |
| 23:54.22 | mickeyl | and relinking is slow |
| 23:54.31 | mickeyl | that's the problem KDE suffers |
| 23:54.34 | mickeyl | also |
| 23:55.28 | Speedy2 | So how did they resolve in 1.0? |
| 23:55.37 | mickeyl | 1.0.2 |
| 23:55.45 | mickeyl | trolltech came out with a little trick |
| 23:56.20 | mickeyl | instead of running a seperate application, we compile each application as shared library and fork the launcher. voila, all symbols are already there (except the application) and much less relinking is necessary |
| 23:56.45 | Speedy2 | UNIX tricks... |
| 23:56.46 | cmartin | that sounds good |
| 23:56.58 | mickeyl | yeah, that won't work on WinCE :) |
| 23:57.45 | Speedy2 | Now if we could simply get a better replacement for City Time. |
| 23:58.35 | mickeyl | what's so bad about it? |
| 23:58.45 | Speedy2 | It's pretty bad |
| 23:58.54 | Speedy2 | You can't set the time zone your in without referencing a big city |
| 23:59.01 | mickeyl | ah yeah |
| 23:59.02 | Speedy2 | If you don't know what time zone that city is in...you're in trouble! |
| 23:59.04 | mickeyl | we need a zoom mode |
| 23:59.20 | Speedy2 | Wow, that's why the CD-ROM was mkaing strange noises...I put the CD in upside down. |
| 23:59.28 | mickeyl | ugh :) |
| 23:59.28 | treke | kergoth said zoomis a hardware thing |
| 23:59.51 | mickeyl | however, shouldn't you really know a big city which is in your time zone? ;) |
