| 00:06.37 | ljp | hey! its tuesday here! |
| 00:07.13 | kergoth | so? |
| 00:07.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:09.47 | ljp | its not completely monday, then |
| 00:09.59 | kergoth | monday is relative |
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| 00:57.42 | Dessimat0r | o-O |
| 00:59.43 | W8TVI | ~lart Monday for just being |
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| 01:04.35 | noda | Moo! |
| 01:05.12 | noda | What's the status of SD/MMC and 2.4.18 (or was it 19?)? |
| 01:05.17 | Dessimat0r | yo noda |
| 01:05.21 | noda | Dessimat0r: Heya |
| 01:05.29 | kergoth | noda: untouched. |
| 01:05.53 | Dessimat0r | I'm glad to see some recent images up for download :D |
| 01:05.58 | noda | kergoth: Ah fun. That means I've contributed as much as everybody else in the past few days, makes me feel better about my participation ;) |
| 01:06.18 | noda | kergoth: Is it particularly complicated? Beyond a newbie? |
| 01:07.41 | noda | kergoth: (In other words, can I help?) |
| 01:08.47 | kergoth | you just need to read the translated docs on locomo's SPI interface, and plug it into hh.o's mmc drivers as a slot driver |
| 01:09.49 | Dessimat0r | how's your new job, kergoth? |
| 01:09.51 | noda | Okay, need clearing up because I know nothing: 1. who/what is locomo? 2. What's its SPI interface? |
| 01:10.40 | noda | 3. Where's the mmc driver? In their kernel repository? |
| 01:11.51 | kergoth | 1) proprietary sharp chip whose docs are only avail under NDA and are in japanese as scanned pdfs ta boot. 2) SPI = serial peripheral interface, 3) yes |
| 01:12.09 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: um, not bad. interesting, quite a bit for me to learn here. |
| 01:12.23 | noda | kergoth: Hrm. Is it all legal? |
| 01:12.30 | kergoth | is what legal? |
| 01:12.32 | noda | I thought somebody had already hacked together an SD driver for the Zaurus |
| 01:12.40 | kergoth | no |
| 01:12.41 | noda | Reading the docs and using the information in them |
| 01:12.48 | kergoth | uh, that would be me |
| 01:12.51 | kergoth | and i never finished it |
| 01:12.54 | noda | Oh, heh :) |
| 01:13.00 | Speedy2 | Is noda == Adam Hooper? |
| 01:13.03 | kergoth | Speedy2: yep |
| 01:13.05 | noda | Speedy2: We are one and the same :) |
| 01:13.11 | Speedy2 | Hey, you didn't add my entries to the FAQ. |
| 01:13.26 | noda | Is Speedy2 == John Jacobson? |
| 01:13.50 | Speedy2 | "If there are no follow-up questions, then yes, yes I am" |
| 01:13.56 | Speedy2 | -- Bart. |
| 01:14.04 | noda | Speedy2: I loathe the FAQ. I'm sure your entries are great, but there are simply too many ugly ones for me to read through to find the good ones :) |
| 01:14.29 | Speedy2 | Search for the two written by Speedy2 and add them. They are written properly and they're useful. |
| 01:14.30 | noda | Speedy2: I don't put them on for the same reason I'm putting off opening my email client: I just don't want to go through the experience of deleting tons of garbage :) |
| 01:14.36 | noda | Okay, will do :) |
| 01:14.54 | noda | FYI, kergoth has the authority to do this too, as does tmm1 :P |
| 01:15.09 | Speedy2 | Yeah, but kergoth plays in kernel land and doesn't like FAQs. |
| 01:15.14 | Speedy2 | (being asked or messing with them) |
| 01:16.01 | kergoth | noda: I think that having a system like this is good, but we need better ways of facilitating maintainance |
| 01:16.10 | kergoth | like maybe a periodic review of articles older than a certain date |
| 01:16.19 | kergoth | or binding to a task/bug tracking interface |
| 01:16.39 | Speedy2 | The two entries are 1. How/where to get the Sharp NDI5 driver 2. How to get it synching in Windows if you already have a 192.168 IP assigned |
| 01:16.41 | noda | kergoth: How do you mean? |
| 01:16.43 | kergoth | actually, allowing users to submit updates to existing faqs, or request removal, would go a long ways |
| 01:16.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:17.08 | kergoth | i mean like, automatic email to a list stating that an article is over a year old and is therefore up for re-review |
| 01:17.13 | kergoth | to confirm sanity |
| 01:17.14 | Speedy2 | Windows is stupid about it, so you have to assign the NDIS5 interface ANOTHER "non-routable" IP. I used a 172 block |
| 01:17.26 | noda | Yep, updating existing FAQs is necessary. |
| 01:17.35 | noda | Speedy2: Ooh fun! |
| 01:17.42 | Speedy2 | But no one really gave directions on how to get the NDIS5 stuff up and running, so hopefully those FAQ entries will help. |
| 01:17.44 | noda | Speedy2: I gotta HTML format these, but they are well-done, thank you very much :) |
| 01:17.44 | kergoth | noda: letting users save us maintainance effort is a Good Thing(tm) |
| 01:17.57 | Speedy2 | noda: Thanks and "go for it" |
| 01:18.00 | noda | kergoth: I've never yet seen a user save me maintenance effort... |
| 01:18.15 | Speedy2 | I didn't realize you needed them HTML formatted or I would have done it. |
| 01:18.27 | noda | Ah well, I like to do it anyway, I rewrite most of the HTML I see :) |
| 01:18.38 | Speedy2 | k |
| 01:18.52 | ljp | *yawn |
| 01:18.56 | Speedy2 | re ljp. |
| 01:19.00 | noda | I've got Views about HTML :) |
| 01:19.06 | kergoth | OZ/OE sooooo needs a solid task/bug tracking system. |
| 01:19.18 | kergoth | I really need to get RT up to test it thoroughly |
| 01:19.51 | noda | kergoth: I've got a friend who's using RT. AND (I found this very interesting) I've been offered some sort of contract (no details yet) for setting up RT for a friend of a friend! :) |
| 01:19.58 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:20.02 | kergoth | thats pretty coincidental |
| 01:20.06 | noda | kergoth: So I may be able to help you out there ;) |
| 01:20.08 | kergoth | let me know how it is |
| 01:20.18 | kergoth | i kjnow its perl dependencies are horrendous |
| 01:20.24 | Speedy2 | RT? |
| 01:20.27 | noda | That's what CPAN's for :) |
| 01:20.31 | noda | Speedy2: Stands for "Request Tracker" |
| 01:20.31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:20.33 | Speedy2 | I see. |
| 01:20.45 | Speedy2 | I wonder how well a LINT type program would work on OZ. |
| 01:20.50 | noda | True to Perl, I guess: Abbreviated because everybody who we care about knows what it stands for, and nobody else does :) |
| 01:20.53 | kergoth | Speedy2: think a bug/task tracking system with the capabilities of bugzilla, but which is actually usable. |
| 01:20.54 | Speedy2 | Are there any free LINTers ? |
| 01:21.00 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Gotcha. |
| 01:24.24 | noda | Dammit, here I go putting more FAQs in. |
| 01:24.28 | noda | It actually doesn't take ALL that long... |
| 01:24.52 | noda | Most of 'em are support requests |
| 01:25.56 | kergoth | noda: i hate that. |
| 01:26.09 | kergoth | course it shows that maybe we dont make the mailing lists obvious enough |
| 01:26.28 | noda | kergoth: http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/submit?module=faq&action=edit |
| 01:26.34 | noda | I do not see how to make it clearer... |
| 01:27.17 | noda | I spent many long hours making that warning longer and longer... ;) |
| 01:27.25 | kergoth | there's always idiots, not much we can do about them |
| 01:29.37 | noda | Dammit, I hate changing <br> to <br /> |
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| 01:33.02 | noda | Ah, a beautiful submission here: Question: "palm sync". That's all. |
| 01:33.20 | ThaKnightRider | *Awesome* |
| 01:33.25 | noda | Or here's another one: "rlogin" (maybe somebody thought he was in a terminal or something) |
| 01:33.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:33.46 | kergoth | people are stupid |
| 01:34.11 | noda | Here's a question worth answering though: "what is the format of the initrd.bin file?" |
| 01:34.31 | noda | What do I say? It's a jffs2 image which can be mounted using a loopback interface on your desktop? |
| 01:34.42 | kergoth | s/using a loopback interface// |
| 01:34.47 | kergoth | someone should write up the details |
| 01:34.49 | kergoth | its not loop |
| 01:34.55 | noda | That's not how you mount it? |
| 01:34.58 | kergoth | nope. |
| 01:35.02 | noda | Oh. |
| 01:35.06 | kergoth | you modprobe mtdram. same driver used on the Z for its ramdisk |
| 01:35.09 | kergoth | make it big enough |
| 01:35.14 | kergoth | then you dd the image onto your new ramdisk |
| 01:35.17 | kergoth | and mount _that_ |
| 01:35.25 | kergoth | because you cant mount a jffs2 image on a block device, only mtd |
| 01:35.26 | W8TVI | well... my zaurus is in peices on my desk... |
| 01:35.33 | noda | Oh |
| 01:35.52 | noda | I don't have mtdram compiled in. I do on my laptop... but I don't seem to have access to any terminals from GNOME on my laptop :P |
| 01:36.02 | noda | My transition to devfs was not the smoothest :) |
| 01:36.11 | kergoth | heh, i dont like devfs |
| 01:36.14 | kergoth | i wanna try out udev though |
| 01:36.28 | noda | kergoth: Is jffs2 in the stock kernel? |
| 01:36.32 | ThaKnightRider | W8TVI: You've tried using the reset switch and reset button? |
| 01:36.59 | W8TVI | ThaKnightRider: yep |
| 01:37.09 | noda | What's udev? |
| 01:37.30 | ThaKnightRider | The only other thing I can suggest is for you to clip power right where the battery goes...sometimes that works. |
| 01:37.43 | W8TVI | the charging/power circiut is fried... it wont charge, and it wont power up |
| 01:37.52 | W8TVI | ThaKnightRider: I've tried that |
| 01:37.55 | kergoth | noda: can be a /dev replacement. it creates/removes devices when necessary.. works like hotplug |
| 01:38.03 | Dessimat0r | just flashed the 2.4.21 image, and the Zaurus wouldn't turn on after doing a reset and flicking the switch to normal operation |
| 01:38.05 | noda | I thought that's what devfs was supposed to do |
| 01:38.45 | kergoth | noda: devfs is more cumbersome, and udev doesnt have to change the paths to your devices. to your apps, it looks no differnt than normal |
| 01:38.52 | kergoth | noda: _can_ rather. you can change the device naming policy |
| 01:38.59 | kergoth | noda: and doesnt require a compatibility daemon as a result |
| 01:39.02 | noda | kergoth: Devfs is supposed to have a 'compatibility' thing... |
| 01:39.03 | ThaKnightRider | I don't know how you fried it...it unless you did a reverse voltage on it or the plug you used shorted the terminals... |
| 01:39.05 | kergoth | noda: (devfsd crap) |
| 01:39.05 | noda | Oh, heh |
| 01:39.15 | kergoth | noda: so its much more appropriate for say.. embedded use |
| 01:39.33 | noda | Do you have any idea why this would happen, btw? Anyone on here, that is? gnome-terminal just hangs after starting up, I get no prompt. I do have 6 virtual terminals though. |
| 01:39.40 | noda | kergoth: Hence the 'u'? |
| 01:40.36 | W8TVI | ThaKnightRider: the car power adapter blew its fuse and 30mins after that it woulndt power up anymore |
| 01:40.49 | Dessimat0r | aah, the screen has appareared! |
| 01:41.00 | kergoth | noda: would have to assume so. check the archives of linux-usb-devel for the udev announcements |
| 01:41.01 | Dessimat0r | *appeared |
| 01:41.07 | ThaKnightRider | W8TVI: I dunno what you did to it... |
| 01:41.19 | noda | Blergh, I'll finish these FAQs and go to bed instead :) |
| 01:42.18 | W8TVI | are the 2 I paid $10 to get a zaurus that was ran over by a car and had the screen all messed up, to try replacing the mainboard |
| 01:42.54 | Dessimat0r | eep |
| 01:44.12 | Dessimat0r | bah, the touchscreen isn't working |
| 01:44.16 | Dessimat0r | I can't calibrate |
| 01:44.22 | Dessimat0r | this is on a first boot |
| 01:44.31 | Dessimat0r | after flashing |
| 01:44.44 | ThaKnightRider | Take a pic |
| 01:45.53 | noda | DONE! |
| 01:45.57 | kergoth | bleh! |
| 01:45.59 | noda | Got like 7 new FAQs |
| 01:45.59 | kergoth | i should get out of work |
| 01:47.03 | noda | Ooh sweet, I get another email account at my new uni :) |
| 01:47.08 | noda | The more the merrier! |
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| 01:53.41 | kergoth | hrmph. |
| 02:07.48 | treke|home | hope it sets a useragent |
| 02:09.25 | Dessimat0r | on the 2.4.21 image, the ts taps sometimes don't register when tapping 'tabs' to bring them into view, but the dropdown lists work fine |
| 02:09.27 | Dessimat0r | most odd |
| 02:09.57 | Dessimat0r | many other objects work fine too |
| 02:10.15 | treke|home | hmmm. when did my mail directory reach 320 megs |
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| 02:39.19 | kergoth | RPMPAN rocks |
| 02:39.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:45.18 | kergoth | yeah yeah, stuck on a damn rh box. sniffle. |
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| 02:49.26 | zlvr | hi all |
| 02:49.27 | zlvr | need some help with the C750 and Netgear's MA701 card ... It was working till a few weeks ago when I tweaked /etc/pcmcia/config for trying to get Cisco's Wi-Fi card (PCMCIA) Aironet 350 working with a CF/PCMCIA adapter ... |
| 02:49.44 | zlvr | after that my MA701 card has never worked ... |
| 02:50.03 | zlvr | what are the things I should check for ? Whenever I try to connect, I get the message Network Device Busy ... oh, and I am using the original Sharp ROM |
| 02:50.35 | W8TVI | use the openzaurus rom :P |
| 02:50.48 | zlvr | :) ... is it ready for the 750 ? yet ? |
| 02:50.59 | zlvr | with the GUI support ? |
| 02:51.14 | kergoth | experimentjal opie 750 roms are avail |
| 02:51.19 | kergoth | but it needs some fixing up |
| 02:51.35 | zlvr | last I heard late July, only experimental versions were out ... not release code :) |
| 02:51.54 | zlvr | would prefer waiting till a release version is out ... I know Kergoth and others are working on it :) |
| 02:54.49 | bottlecap | na know, if I get this broken IIIxe to bootstrap, since I already used the touchscreen to fix another palm, I think I am going to throw palmlinux on it and make it a 24/7 vnc terminal or interact with a 386mb for mouse and keyboard inout |
| 02:56.31 | bottlecap | although linuxda was pretty crippled and gay |
| 02:56.35 | bottlecap | it was rather quick |
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| 03:26.26 | treke|laptop | plucker update? |
| 03:28.21 | bottlecap | new version silly |
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| 04:43.02 | Masticator | sup dudes |
| 04:43.34 | treke|laptop | not much. Just trying to switch to gnome |
| 04:45.34 | kergoth | hey Masticator |
| 04:45.54 | Masticator | switch to gnome |
| 04:45.57 | Masticator | egads, what for |
| 04:46.25 | Masticator | switch to Windows XP |
| 04:46.33 | Masticator | thats my linux desktop |
| 04:46.33 | Masticator | lol |
| 04:46.35 | treke|laptop | why would I want to do that? |
| 04:46.54 | kergoth | hm, i need to pick up a fast box to use as a build server at home here |
| 04:47.11 | treke|laptop | Masticator, gnome seems like a better pick than kde. Most of the apps I use are gtk apps |
| 04:47.38 | Masticator | see, I use XP and xfree86 for windows |
| 04:47.46 | Masticator | and run telnet sessions in |
| 04:47.50 | Masticator | or I vnc |
| 04:47.54 | Masticator | and just run the apps I need |
| 04:48.09 | Masticator | dont give a crap about the desktop on linux |
| 04:48.13 | Masticator | because its worthless |
| 04:48.23 | treke|laptop | uh huh |
| 04:48.24 | treke|laptop | yeah |
| 04:48.27 | Masticator | what I reall want to do is go mac |
| 04:48.36 | Masticator | treke: it is |
| 04:48.46 | treke|laptop | whatever floats your boat |
| 04:48.55 | Masticator | no real human being can be productive on linux as a destkop OS |
| 04:49.20 | kergoth | depends what you mean by desktop os |
| 04:49.22 | Masticator | you can fart around, you can have fun, but for office productivty? no |
| 04:49.30 | kergoth | office, gotcha. |
| 04:49.34 | Masticator | for specific applications linux is excellent |
| 04:49.35 | kergoth | treke|laptop: exactly |
| 04:50.00 | Masticator | as a unix sysadmin platform linux is excellent |
| 04:50.14 | Masticator | do anything else but listed above, it blows |
| 04:50.17 | kergoth | development platform as well. |
| 04:50.25 | Masticator | develpment, yes |
| 04:51.54 | Masticator | if linux had a better font rendering environment and font management system it would be as good as windows for web browsing |
| 04:53.11 | Masticator | personally I feel browsers being equal, that being mozilla on both platforms I prefer the windows experience |
| 04:53.40 | Masticator | just because my eyes feel better looking at it on Windows. |
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| 04:54.02 | kergoth | not using the gtk2/xft moz builds i take it? |
| 04:54.03 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:54.10 | kergoth | xft++ |
| 04:55.23 | Masticator | I use vanilla SuSE 8.2 enterprise server |
| 04:55.32 | Masticator | and whatever the current mozilla build is |
| 04:56.06 | treke|laptop | kergoth, giving gentoo another shot. Supposedly its improved since I last tried it |
| 04:56.32 | kergoth | i'm still wondering whether zynot is going to flounder or not |
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| 04:56.56 | Masticator | is xft++ standard on the latest distros? |
| 04:57.06 | Masticator | as fucking usual, you have to roll all this shit yourself |
| 04:57.15 | Masticator | I dont want to have to roll all this shit myself. |
| 04:57.24 | Masticator | I want to install it and have it fucking work. |
| 04:57.28 | treke|laptop | uhm no you dont have to roll all this shit yourself |
| 04:57.30 | kergoth | moz hadnt started doing xft builds until recently |
| 04:57.42 | kergoth | grab the binary tarball and run it |
| 04:57.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:57.47 | Masticator | lol |
| 04:57.55 | Masticator | I guess I could use a tarball. |
| 05:00.31 | Masticator | HP just sent me a new workstation to play with, so maybe I will try the new mozilla on it. |
| 05:01.04 | Masticator | maybe I will try living only in linux for a few weeks |
| 05:01.09 | Masticator | go cold turkey |
| 05:01.32 | Masticator | the last time I had to do it, 2 years ago, it wasnt pleasant |
| 05:01.40 | Masticator | when I wrote the desktop columns for Linux Mag |
| 05:02.07 | kergoth | i switch back and forth once in a while. |
| 05:02.11 | kergoth | refreshing |
| 05:02.24 | Masticator | havent really touched the most recent gnome stuff |
| 05:02.49 | Masticator | gonna go buy myself a decent monitor this week |
| 05:02.52 | kergoth | as a toolkit i prefer qt, but i do like the way gtk2 apps look |
| 05:02.56 | Masticator | my 21 inch hitachi CRT is giving up the ghost |
| 05:03.02 | Masticator | gonna go pick up a 21 lcd |
| 05:03.18 | Masticator | will have to pick up a decent video card though for my windows pc |
| 05:03.24 | Masticator | that does LCD digital out |
| 05:03.32 | Masticator | the HP box has it built in |
| 05:03.35 | treke|laptop | kergoth, hehe same. Here. Much prefer writing qt apps, but just aout everything I use is gtk |
| 05:03.38 | Masticator | 3.0ghz P4 xeon |
| 05:03.40 | Masticator | fast sucker |
| 05:03.49 | treke|laptop | well everything graphical. Most stuff I use is vim |
| 05:08.03 | Masticator | so this new xft mozilla build, it does subpixel rendering? |
| 05:08.10 | Masticator | like cleartype on XP? |
| 05:09.12 | kergoth | Masticator: http://fontconfig.org/ |
| 05:09.48 | kergoth | wonder if the qt copy used by kde has the xft2 support in |
| 05:10.00 | treke|laptop | qt copy? |
| 05:10.17 | Masticator | kde uses its own qt |
| 05:10.23 | treke|laptop | ah |
| 05:10.25 | Masticator | not the standard qt |
| 05:10.43 | treke|laptop | ah. havent used kde for a very long time |
| 05:11.02 | Masticator | fontconfig only sounds like half the battle though |
| 05:11.08 | kergoth | god there isnt a single fucking thing worth watching on tv right now |
| 05:11.09 | kergoth | wtf |
| 05:11.11 | Masticator | does it come with a gui |
| 05:11.32 | Masticator | babylon 5 dvs are awesome |
| 05:11.55 | Masticator | what drove me crazy about running ttf shit on linux was having to create the special scaling files and stuff |
| 05:12.13 | Masticator | and repath the friggin font engine to point to the right place in xconfig |
| 05:12.22 | kergoth | Masticator: its a breeze nowadays, and most distros facilitate it |
| 05:12.35 | Masticator | ah, havent had to do it in like 2 years |
| 05:12.44 | Masticator | wrote a whole article on it once |
| 05:13.01 | Masticator | generally I just use what crap fonts come with the distro |
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| 07:40.33 | ggilbert_ | kde was even worse :P |
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| 07:47.30 | ThaKnightRider | treke|laptop: What do you think of the latest KDE? It looks decent to me. |
| 07:48.40 | ggilbert_ | ThaKnightRider, first impression wasnt so hot |
| 08:00.41 | ggilbert_ | I reckon this type of environment just isnt for me |
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| 08:53.08 | heatxsink | hey kergoth |
| 08:53.20 | heatxsink | how did you go about relocating to your new job? |
| 08:53.26 | heatxsink | did the company pay for it? |
| 08:56.19 | heatxsink | ibot seen TCMAN |
| 08:56.19 | | tcman <~dominik@adsl-64-170-120-160.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 1d 7h 3m 8s ago, saying: 'btw, anyone knows any english dictionaries for Z (OZ preferably) ?'. |
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| 09:54.36 | mickeyl | ibot: oz snapshot |
| 09:54.37 | | oz snapshot is, like, http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 09:55.37 | ThaKnightRider | Hey mickeyl |
| 10:02.41 | mickeyl | hiho Speedy2 |
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| 12:07.07 | mickeyl | depmod: ELF file /lib/modules/2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix/kernel/fs/shfs/shfs.o not a relocatable object |
| 12:07.11 | mickeyl | any idea what that means? |
| 12:07.25 | pb_ | what does "file" say that it is? |
| 12:11.14 | Speedy2 | Hey Phil. |
| 12:11.29 | pb_ | Hi Speedy2 |
| 12:12.01 | Speedy2 | Didja look at those PDFs ? |
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| 12:30.03 | Speedy2 | Night all |
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| 12:50.07 | stigger | buildroot |
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| 13:19.16 | Twiun | stigger: yup, buildroot's a word in thei channel... |
| 13:20.01 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 13:20.39 | Twiun | you'd think people assume the whole channel is full of bots :) |
| 13:20.56 | Twiun | grrr |
| 13:21.44 | mickeyl | still not there? |
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| 13:26.36 | Twiun | nope. they emailed yesterday saying 'it's physically left our depot' and I try to track it today using the courier who say 'it's still at their depot, awaiting pickup' |
| 13:26.55 | Twiun | and two emails later today... no reply |
| 13:27.08 | Twiun | it could be said that I'm starting to get annoyed |
| 13:29.05 | Twiun | the faster I get it, the faster I can set it up, ready for my contract start next monday |
| 13:30.32 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 13:30.44 | mickeyl | annoying, yep |
| 13:31.08 | Twiun | and because they're an 'e-business', they don't have telephone contact details |
| 13:31.22 | mickeyl | hah |
| 13:32.05 | Twiun | that won't stop me from getting hold of them however. |
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| 15:11.27 | bipolar | sigh |
| 15:12.06 | bipolar | $180 to fix my Zaurus. But now that gaim has been ported to it, it's worth it. heh |
| 15:12.39 | mickeyl | $180? |
| 15:12.41 | mickeyl | doh. |
| 15:12.50 | mickeyl | what was it? |
| 15:14.52 | icefox | bs |
| 15:16.17 | liyang | Has anyone tried building OZ for the B500/SL5600 recently? |
| 15:16.26 | mickeyl | yes. builds fine |
| 15:16.57 | liyang | Does it run though? |
| 15:17.01 | mickeyl | no idea. |
| 15:17.06 | mickeyl | just built it. |
| 15:17.23 | mickeyl | apparantly noone succeeded in flashing it yet. |
| 15:17.29 | liyang | Hm Just wondering what sort of work that still needs to be done to get it into a state suitable for release. |
| 15:17.32 | liyang | ah hah. |
| 15:17.49 | mickeyl | liyang: well... we have to get a means to flash it and then see what's missing. |
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| 15:18.03 | mickeyl | sup TheMasterMind1 |
| 15:18.26 | liyang | What do you mean by that? I thought flashing just involved putting the image onto a CF/SD card and going through the maintainance menu... |
| 15:18.46 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
| 15:18.48 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new |
| 15:19.06 | mickeyl | liyang: hmm... maybe. i never seen a 5600 |
| 15:19.33 | mickeyl | liyang: why not starting a build and jumping into the water? :) |
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| 15:23.13 | W8TVI | $10 to fix my zaurus |
| 15:23.30 | W8TVI | I think its fixed |
| 15:24.19 | prpplague | W8TVI: to fix what on your z? |
| 15:24.32 | W8TVI | the main board |
| 15:24.54 | W8TVI | or the screen on the other one :) |
| 15:25.04 | W8TVI | I got a broken zaurus for $10 |
| 15:25.10 | prpplague | oh |
| 15:25.10 | W8TVI | it was ran over by a car |
| 15:25.17 | W8TVI | the $10 one |
| 15:25.35 | W8TVI | my was zaped by a cheap car power supply |
| 15:27.10 | W8TVI | weird, I pug in the charger, the charge light comes on then it goes off after about 5 secs |
| 15:27.53 | W8TVI | pug = plug |
| 15:30.32 | liyang | mickeyl: already doing that. Just asking around here to pass the time while it churns away in the background. :) |
| 15:32.51 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 15:33.19 | mickeyl | liyang: be sure to alter the kernel .config to include debug output or otherwise you will be blind. a serial cable might help, too. |
| 15:34.36 | liyang | erk. |
| 15:35.00 | bipolar | mickeyl: water damage. Corosion on the SD daughterboard. |
| 15:35.49 | liyang | I've a full time job to worry about at the minute... this might need to wait until I get back to uni next term. -_- |
| 15:36.06 | liyang | I'll see what I can do with this for now though. |
| 15:36.39 | liyang | (pthread comes with glibc right?) |
| 15:37.05 | mickeyl | yo |
| 15:37.18 | liyang | Because glib just failed with: ./.libs/libgthread.so: undefined reference to `pthread_getspecific' |
| 15:37.35 | mickeyl | which .config are you using? |
| 15:37.43 | mickeyl | which toolchin? |
| 15:37.45 | mickeyl | chain even |
| 15:38.16 | liyang | debian's toolchain-sources, and a .config I made up over the weekend while I didn't have network access... |
| 15:39.01 | liyang | I can't see anything in def-config/ for the poodle... |
| 15:39.29 | mickeyl | bk pull |
| 15:39.36 | mickeyl | debian's toolchin? oh oh |
| 15:39.51 | mickeyl | you really should use one of the trusted toolchains |
| 15:39.57 | mickeyl | http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/old |
| 15:40.05 | mickeyl | or without the old |
| 15:40.09 | liyang | Hrm. |
| 15:40.20 | liyang | What's wrong with the one I just built? |
| 15:40.30 | mickeyl | you built a toolchain out of oz? |
| 15:40.50 | liyang | no, from the Debian toolchain-sources... |
| 15:41.22 | liyang | or I'd guess the problem's with the libraries. |
| 15:41.50 | mickeyl | well... no idea, but let's state it that way... we found toolchains other than the trusted ones to be the root of many strange problems. if all is ok, then your toolchain is probably ok, but if not... |
| 15:41.57 | liyang | (what distro do you all use then, if not Debian?) |
| 15:42.08 | mickeyl | I use Mandrake |
| 15:42.19 | liyang | Heathen! ;) |
| 15:43.39 | liyang | Well, this is just the accepted way of cross-compiling under Debian. If there are problems with it, I'd imagine it to be more constructive to figure out the problem rather than grabbing some unknown untrusted compiled toolchain off a server that I don't trust. :) |
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| 15:53.41 | mickeyl | just as you like. but don't expect support from us when you have strange errors which noone can reproduce. |
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| 15:55.16 | liyang | mickeyl: don't worry, I'm not expecting this to work first time. :) |
| 15:55.36 | mickeyl | :D |
| 15:56.22 | W8TVI | does the zaurus need to be fully charged to flash it? |
| 15:56.40 | liyang | ... |
| 15:56.52 | mickeyl | it doesn't |
| 15:56.57 | mickeyl | it needs to have AC plugged in |
| 15:57.00 | mickeyl | not fully charged |
| 15:57.02 | liyang | Can't imagine why it would need to be. As long as you have enough juice left in it... |
| 15:57.02 | W8TVI | ok |
| 15:57.12 | liyang | oh, okay, or AC plugged in. |
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| 16:06.24 | liyang | mickeyl: which config from def-config/ would you say is a good starting place for the poodle then? |
| 16:08.53 | mickeyl | how 'bout poodle-opie |
| 16:11.38 | liyang | Hm? Can't see one. I grabbed the snapshot from oz.org/official/snapshot (as opposed to oz.org/snapshot, which someone told me is out of date despite timestamps) |
| 16:12.10 | mickeyl | do you have the latest? |
| 16:12.16 | mickeyl | that one came in pretty recent |
| 16:12.31 | liyang | Well, I grabbed it this morning... |
| 16:12.43 | liyang | (and no, I'm not installing BK. ;) |
| 16:12.59 | mickeyl | then adapt corgi |
| 16:14.04 | chouimat | re |
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| 16:33.53 | liyang | Just checking: _which_ is the up-to-date snapshot and which isn't? /snapshot or /official/snapshot/? |
| 16:34.17 | mickeyl | ibot: oz snapshot |
| 16:34.17 | | rumour has it, oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 16:34.49 | liyang | ergh.. |
| 16:34.56 | liyang | Not oz.org then. |
| 16:38.44 | liyang | Why hasn't someone removed /official/snapshot/ then? |
| 16:38.53 | mickeyl | because we need contributors. |
| 16:38.58 | liyang | Hm? |
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| 16:39.07 | mickeyl | you now see that we are too few for such a big project |
| 16:39.11 | liyang | But that's the old version... |
| 16:39.24 | liyang | ah, I see. :) |
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| 16:39.41 | liyang | (but still, that's just one rm -rf, surely...) |
| 16:40.01 | mickeyl | yes, but it is a lot lot lot lot lot of that minor tasks |
| 16:40.20 | mickeyl | and that stuff gets forgotten |
| 16:40.32 | liyang | (and possibly kill off the cron script which generates that. Which I guess has already been done judging by the timestamp.) |
| 16:40.33 | mickeyl | not to talk about regression bugs |
| 16:44.52 | W8TVI | cool... its flashing the rom |
| 16:44.56 | mickeyl | which ROM? |
| 16:45.00 | mickeyl | which thing? |
| 16:45.00 | W8TVI | OZ |
| 16:45.06 | W8TVI | sl-5500 |
| 16:45.12 | W8TVI | my Franken?Zaurus |
| 16:45.15 | mickeyl | ah. built a recent one? |
| 16:45.20 | W8TVI | my FrankenZaurus |
| 16:45.24 | W8TVI | yep |
| 16:45.26 | W8TVI | this morning |
| 16:45.39 | mickeyl | good. wanna help us ironing the few bugs out which hold 3.2.5 bacK? |
| 16:45.54 | W8TVI | took mine (the fried one & the one that got ran over) |
| 16:46.50 | W8TVI | what bugs? |
| 16:47.15 | W8TVI | there... finished |
| 16:47.38 | W8TVI | for a second I was worryed that it wasn't going to finish |
| 16:49.18 | W8TVI | but it still wont turn on |
| 16:50.53 | W8TVI | if the battery is very low, will it still charge even though the charge light isn't on? |
| 16:53.48 | mickeyl | let it rest 30 min |
| 16:53.55 | mickeyl | then reset and turn on again |
| 16:55.33 | W8TVI | k... |
| 17:00.38 | W8TVI | ok... now the charge light is staying on |
| 17:01.12 | liyang | What's the accepted way of convinvincing buildroot that you already have glib2 for the host system and do not want it to compile its own copy? |
| 17:01.50 | mickeyl | touch the stamps |
| 17:01.53 | mickeyl | copy it in staging |
| 17:03.07 | liyang | Does it refer to the staging dir directly, or is it cleverer than that? |
| 17:04.42 | mickeyl | cleverer? thank god it refers to the staging dir directly. you don't know how much problems cross-compiling in general makes! |
| 17:05.06 | mickeyl | it is very hard to not get local libraries polluting in! |
| 17:05.15 | mickeyl | and we're proud of that. |
| 17:05.17 | mickeyl | just libtool |
| 17:05.21 | mickeyl | ibot: libtool |
| 17:05.21 | | from memory, libtool is a fool, and can be found at http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/, or the spawn of satan |
| 17:05.24 | mickeyl | ibot: autoconf |
| 17:05.25 | | Package of m4 macros to produce scripts that automatically configures sourcecode. URL: http://sourceware.cygnus.com/autoconf/, or sucky for cross-compiling |
| 17:05.37 | mickeyl | ibot: thanks |
| 17:05.37 | | my pleasure, mickeyl |
| 17:06.40 | liyang | mickeyl: Debian cross-compiles all the time, and I don't see any cross-pollution... |
| 17:07.09 | mickeyl | okay |
| 17:07.13 | pb_ | liyang: debian does? |
| 17:07.13 | mickeyl | how many people are working with debian? |
| 17:07.16 | mickeyl | did you see their scripts? |
| 17:07.26 | liyang | Doesn't it? |
| 17:07.30 | pb_ | not afaik. |
| 17:07.37 | pb_ | emdebian, maybe, but not Debian proper. |
| 17:07.38 | mickeyl | when will you recognize that we are less than 10 PEOPLE MAN! |
| 17:07.46 | mickeyl | can't stand that praising |
| 17:07.47 | mickeyl | really |
| 17:07.50 | liyang | :) |
| 17:08.35 | liyang | I'd have though Debian cross-compiled more or less all their binaries... (for non-x86) |
| 17:08.55 | kergoth | liyang: uh, you do realize that debian's package sets are built natively on an those machines, right? |
| 17:09.03 | kergoth | they have arm/ppc/etc build machines. |
| 17:09.17 | liyang | Hm. Guess I've been misinformed then. |
| 17:09.22 | W8TVI | dang it... now is the hardest part.... |
| 17:09.24 | W8TVI | the wait |
| 17:09.32 | W8TVI | for the battery to charge |
| 17:09.36 | pb_ | liyang: no, everything in the debian archive is built natively. |
| 17:09.43 | W8TVI | hey kergoth |
| 17:11.15 | liyang | But still, I managed to get gcc-cross working without much hassle, and it's not like autoconf hasn't heard of cross-compiling. |
| 17:11.36 | W8TVI | I've had this sl-5500 for all this time and I didn't even know that it has an I/O port cover! |
| 17:11.40 | kergoth | autoconf is a piece of shit with regard to crosscompiling |
| 17:11.55 | kergoth | but if you sweet talk it, it works |
| 17:12.01 | W8TVI | I got the broken one in the mail and saw it |
| 17:12.11 | W8TVI | then noticed that mine has one too... |
| 17:12.16 | pb_ | kergoth: heh |
| 17:12.21 | liyang | kergoth: everything is a piece of shit unless you play nice with it. :P |
| 17:12.44 | W8TVI | about how long is it from a flat bettery till its fully charged? |
| 17:12.51 | mickeyl | 2h |
| 17:12.57 | W8TVI | ok |
| 17:13.03 | W8TVI | thank you mickeyl |
| 17:13.15 | W8TVI | or Tank you mickeyl |
| 17:13.22 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 17:14.30 | W8TVI | we had a stupid local comercal for a shop where the one guy says "Tank-you mickey!" |
| 17:16.23 | W8TVI | I'm thinking about printing a sticker that says "FrankenZaurus" to put on the flip cover |
| 17:22.13 | W8TVI | back after a bit |
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| 17:33.53 | mickeyl | arm-linux-ld: ERROR sharpsl_sspend.o uses hardware FP, whereas pxa.o uses software FP |
| 17:33.56 | mickeyl | any ideas ? |
| 17:34.13 | mickeyl | eirik 2.95.3 with recent binutils |
| 17:34.24 | mickeyl | kernel 2.4.18-rmk-pxa-embedix |
| 17:34.59 | pb_ | sounds like some cflags issue. |
| 17:35.08 | TMM1 | mickeyl: have to compile it with gcc3 |
| 17:35.10 | pb_ | the easy "fix" is to add --no-warn-mismatch to the link step. |
| 17:35.48 | mickeyl | TMM1: I have yet to see one gcc3 which produces a shepherd-kernel with working irq handlers... :( |
| 17:35.55 | mickeyl | pb_: k, thanks |
| 17:36.10 | mickeyl | pb_: might be the recent binutils. the stock eirik 2.95.3 compiles this |
| 17:36.15 | mickeyl | but it doesn't compile other stuff |
| 17:36.24 | mickeyl | argh, that whole toolchain busyness is weird |
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| 18:05.54 | liyang | Hm. The FTP path for glibc-linuxthreads is wrong... (in packages/glibc-2.3/Makefile) |
| 18:06.02 | liyang | Missing a g in glibc. |
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| 18:11.02 | W8TVI | alright! |
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| 18:11.39 | MadScientist | It's ALIVE! |
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| 18:38.12 | chouimat|n7y | hey TimRiker |
| 18:44.29 | treke | hmmm. Why cant japan be closer to oxnard |
| 18:51.08 | W8TVI | I figured out how to get wep to work |
| 18:52.53 | W8TVI | all you need to do is set the wep mode to shared |
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| 18:53.46 | W8TVI | on the AP |
| 18:54.09 | kergoth | hrm |
| 18:54.25 | W8TVI | it works on my setup and 2 others |
| 18:54.38 | W8TVI | works on linksys AP's and apple airports |
| 18:54.59 | W8TVI | but at least wep works |
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| 19:24.25 | W8TVI | dang... stuck on upgrading aqpkg |
| 19:24.48 | W8TVI | its working... but VEERRRRRYYYY SLOOOOWWWWLLLYYYYY |
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| 19:42.06 | kergoth | Dr_Who: ping |
| 19:44.44 | W8TVI | kergoth: ping |
| 19:46.25 | kergoth | hm? |
| 19:46.43 | W8TVI | my zaurus lives again! |
| 19:46.51 | kergoth | nice! |
| 19:46.53 | kergoth | howd ya manage that? |
| 19:47.24 | W8TVI | I got a zaurus that picked a fight with a car tire (with car attached) and lost, for $10 |
| 19:48.07 | W8TVI | took the mainboard and SD board, and put it with my screen and case and it works! |
| 19:48.31 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:48.33 | kergoth | sweet |
| 19:48.45 | W8TVI | didn't know untill today that mine has an I/O port cover |
| 19:48.49 | W8TVI | lol |
| 19:49.52 | W8TVI | now I need an IBM microdrive and extra battery |
| 19:51.22 | W8TVI | ipkg update got stuck on upgrading aqpkg so I killed it an restarted |
| 19:51.45 | pb_ | was aqpkg running at the time? |
| 19:51.58 | W8TVI | nope |
| 19:52.08 | W8TVI | I had it down to the command line |
| 19:52.25 | W8TVI | it just finished |
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| 19:56.14 | W8TVI | now to add other porgrams |
| 19:56.20 | W8TVI | programs even |
| 20:01.31 | Dr_Who | kergoth: pong |
| 20:04.27 | kergoth | Dr_Who: looked at OE recently? I need opinions on what tasks need doing first. prioritization. |
| 20:07.03 | Dr_Who | look at it a bit yes |
| 20:07.18 | Dr_Who | actually been thinking about getting more packages in! (least that's what's been on my mind) |
| 20:10.52 | kergoth | i havent had much time to spend on it, looking to spend more soon |
| 20:19.28 | prpplague | kergoth: not till you finish your work before the deadline ;) |
| 20:19.56 | kergoth | prpplague: i have 40 hours allocated to buildsystem work, which is OE. |
| 20:20.05 | kergoth | prpplague: so its part of that work :P |
| 20:27.04 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, jk |
| 20:38.12 | kergoth | mickeyl: looked at OE any time recently? i could use opinions on the next most important tasks to tackle |
| 20:38.56 | mickeyl | kergoth: didn't yet - only watched the logs - impressive amount of work yet. I'll look into it this week. |
| 20:39.44 | kergoth | k, i'm going to be doing work on it again soon, need to prioritize. |
| 20:40.40 | tiptone | mickeyl: i had the same buildroot problem at home on my laptop (same RH9 configuration) i'm assuming it must be a perl issue... |
| 20:41.25 | kergoth | tiptone: maybe try the perl in rawhide? |
| 20:41.32 | mickeyl | tiptone: maybe try to build and install a new perl in a safe location and see if that works? |
| 20:43.02 | tiptone | i think i can get access to a rawhide box here at work, if not i'll hose the perl on my laptop tonight... |
| 20:43.28 | tiptone | ever hear of any RH9/perl/buildroot problems before ? |
| 20:44.46 | Twiun | re |
| 20:44.46 | kergoth | hey Twiun. |
| 20:45.29 | mickeyl | tiptone: not really - but then again, RH9 is not popular nowadays ;)) |
| 20:46.05 | prpplague | rhat9 buildroot is a nightmare |
| 20:46.18 | kergoth | i should fix buildroot in cygwin |
| 20:46.24 | kergoth | keep meaning to, never have time |
| 20:46.41 | mickeyl | doing a lot of closed work lately? |
| 20:46.54 | mickeyl | are you healthy again, btw.? |
| 20:47.15 | kergoth | yeah, lots of stuff at ti here. its all good though |
| 20:47.17 | kergoth | not quite |
| 20:47.24 | kergoth | its 75 degrees F in here and i'm cold |
| 20:47.26 | kergoth | still have a fever |
| 20:47.36 | SuKoSh| | hi |
| 20:47.44 | mickeyl | and working despite that? |
| 20:48.03 | Twiun | hey SuKoSh| |
| 20:48.12 | SuKoSh| | everybody's fine? |
| 20:48.28 | Twiun | yup... although I'm still short of a laptop :( |
| 20:49.36 | SuKoSh| | Twiun: what happened? |
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| 20:50.38 | Twiun | SuKoSh|: company says it's left their depot, couriers saying "Oh no it hasn't!" |
| 20:50.52 | SuKoSh| | :(( |
| 20:50.59 | Twiun | SuKoSh|: it's still within the 1 to 3 days delivery time, but I wonder where the laptop actually is... |
| 20:52.52 | SuKoSh| | can someone tell me how to ask ibot to keep a message for an absent guy on the channel? |
| 20:53.00 | kergoth | ibot: botmail for SuKoSh|: blah. |
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| 20:53.18 | Twiun | salut AMC |
| 20:53.20 | SuKoSh| | thanks kergoth |
| 20:53.41 | Twiun | AMC: problemes avec ta connection? |
| 20:53.55 | kergoth | np |
| 20:54.00 | SuKoSh| | salut AMC |
| 20:54.12 | AMC | Twiun: hello |
| 20:54.14 | AMC | oui |
| 20:54.20 | SuKoSh| | wanadoo |
| 20:54.22 | SuKoSh| | :p |
| 20:54.38 | AMC | il me sort que mon nom est utilisé par qq d'autre |
| 20:54.40 | AMC | SuKoSh|: hello |
| 20:55.04 | AMC | alors que je suis connecté depuis +eurs heurs |
| 20:55.06 | AMC | heures |
| 20:55.08 | SuKoSh| | Ah Merde Connard |
| 20:55.08 | Twiun | AMC: c'est toujour une bonne idee d'enregistrer son nom avec nickserv |
| 20:55.11 | SuKoSh| | hihihi |
| 20:55.26 | SuKoSh| | un usurpateur |
| 20:55.30 | AMC | SuKoSh|: oui, je vois. Lors du changement d'IP j'imagine |
| 20:55.54 | AMC | Twiun: comment ? |
| 20:56.02 | SuKoSh| | ou tout simplement si lui est enregistr? par Nickserv, et encore normalement, nickserv t'aurais gueuler dessus avant |
| 20:56.04 | Twiun | AMC: /msg nickserv help |
| 20:56.14 | Twiun | SuKoSh|: tous juste |
| 20:56.38 | Twiun | SuKoSh|: mois j'ai a peux pres 6 nom relier aux pricipal |
| 20:57.10 | SuKoSh| | Twiun: je suis trop faineant pour m'enregistrer ;) |
| 20:57.10 | Twiun | SuKoSh|: surtout important quand je suis connecte 24 sur 24 |
| 20:57.18 | kergoth | ahem. |
| 20:57.22 | Twiun | lol |
| 20:57.25 | Twiun | Sorry kergoth |
| 20:57.35 | Twiun | SuKoSh|: it's well worth it if you need to ghost your nick |
| 20:57.42 | Twiun | SuKoSh|: instead of being logged in 5 times |
| 20:58.07 | SuKoSh| | sure |
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| 21:08.54 | mickeyl | wtf. |
| 21:09.09 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:09.21 | mickeyl | oh boy. once again no luck with a 750 build |
| 21:09.25 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:09.33 | kergoth | one of these days i'll hack on that |
| 21:09.38 | mickeyl | hangs right after echoing "Reconfiguring packages...." |
| 21:09.38 | kergoth | you notice i fixed native the other day? |
| 21:09.43 | kergoth | handy to build a chroot env |
| 21:09.45 | mickeyl | yes, that's pretty cool |
| 21:09.53 | kergoth | or uml |
| 21:10.06 | mickeyl | kergoth: did you ever got the shepherd kernel to split out debug message without a kernel patch? |
| 21:10.21 | kergoth | hell if i know, i cant remember |
| 21:10.24 | kergoth | i thought i did. |
| 21:18.56 | mickeyl | hmm... i wonder why SHARPSL_BOOTLDR_PARAMS=y for husky and shepherd but not set for poodle in kernel-shepherd. Is that right? |
| 21:19.29 | kergoth | it should probably be disabled. |
| 21:19.33 | kergoth | that overrides our CMDLINE |
| 21:19.38 | kergoth | it takes the params from their bootloader instead |
| 21:19.48 | kergoth | disable it, and make sure the cmdline is fully populated with partitioning info |
| 21:19.52 | kergoth | shepherd is, husky isnt |
| 21:20.03 | kergoth | so before disabling it for husky, you need to ca t/proc/cmdline on a normal sharp unit |
| 21:20.07 | kergoth | so we know the partitioning |
| 21:20.47 | mickeyl | k - maybe that way i get debug output on console... |
| 21:20.58 | kergoth | yep. it wont obey your CMDLINE with that on |
| 21:21.02 | kergoth | so it'll use their console= |
| 21:21.16 | mickeyl | aaah |
| 21:21.20 | mickeyl | and i wondered all the time |
| 21:21.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:21.44 | mickeyl | next try |
| 21:23.16 | mickeyl | last week i just found out about the C+D on c7x0. this is really nice for when you have b0rken the whole flash. where is that routine programmed? |
| 21:23.42 | kergoth | c+d? |
| 21:23.47 | kergoth | is that another way of getting into the diags? |
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| 21:24.27 | mickeyl | kergoth: i read that that starts a complete flash from CF lobotomizing the whole flash. |
| 21:24.36 | mickeyl | without any diag menu |
| 21:24.41 | mickeyl | but i didn't try yet |
| 21:24.47 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:24.56 | kergoth | i've used the nand restore/backup from diags, but never that |
| 21:25.13 | TuxOfSteel | hey guys |
| 21:26.22 | W8TVI-Zaurus | seems to be working just fine |
| 21:27.50 | W8TVI-Zaurus | guess I got lucky |
| 21:32.12 | mickeyl | flashing.... |
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| 21:33.46 | mickeyl | now if they would've spent the c7x0 a reset button that reflashing would make more fun |
| 21:33.49 | treke | ibot oz-buildroot |
| 21:33.50 | | i haven't a clue, treke |
| 21:33.57 | mickeyl | but as it is it is just annyoing |
| 21:34.01 | mickeyl | treke: without the hyphen |
| 21:34.01 | treke | ibot oz buildroot |
| 21:34.02 | | oz bk is, like, bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 21:34.07 | treke | what is anoying? |
| 21:34.13 | W8TVI-Zaurus | what ya flashing? |
| 21:34.51 | treke | kergoth: you know if cross-3.3.1pre-oz1 is safe? |
| 21:35.27 | mickeyl | W8TVI-Zaurus: OZ/Shepherd |
| 21:35.29 | mickeyl | aargh |
| 21:35.34 | treke | mickeyl: What about the reset button? |
| 21:35.52 | mickeyl | the newer binutils for 2.95.3 are what break the zImage irq handlers |
| 21:35.54 | W8TVI-Zaurus | mickeyl: ah |
| 21:36.00 | mickeyl | treke: well... there isn't one. |
| 21:36.11 | treke | mickeyl: What does that make troublesome? |
| 21:36.47 | W8TVI-Zaurus | how do you reset then? |
| 21:36.48 | mickeyl | treke: err.... resetting |
| 21:36.57 | mickeyl | battery out battery in game |
| 21:36.58 | mickeyl | :( |
| 21:36.59 | treke | pull the battery? |
| 21:37.05 | W8TVI-Zaurus | ah |
| 21:37.34 | treke | so there is no way to reset if it crashes? fun |
| 21:37.56 | kergoth | treke: yes, it is. |
| 21:37.59 | kergoth | treke: works quite well |
| 21:38.04 | treke | kergoth: ok. |
| 21:38.17 | treke | then away we go to a shiny new image |
| 21:38.17 | mickeyl | battery out/in works pretty good. |
| 21:38.21 | mickeyl | just cumbersume |
| 21:38.25 | treke | yeah |
| 21:38.30 | mickeyl | or do you mean something else, kergoth |
| 21:39.12 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:40.02 | mickeyl | so where do we put that "BIG FAT WARNING - Don't compile 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix without the darn old 2.95.3 + ice age binutils" ? |
| 21:40.20 | kergoth | s/so where ... binutils"/sharp sucks/ |
| 21:40.37 | mickeyl | sharp again? |
| 21:40.41 | treke | compatibility is nice when there isnt much of a performance advantage :p |
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| 21:42.13 | mickeyl | i wish i could clear the ccache cache selectively |
| 21:42.47 | Twiun | how's the cache stored? |
| 21:43.43 | mickeyl | a directory full of hash filenames |
| 21:44.07 | mickeyl | e.g. e/2/02f7dbere3018283748123-81493 |
| 21:44.21 | Twiun | urgh |
| 21:44.39 | Twiun | yeah, definately not grokkable by humans |
| 21:45.08 | kergoth | mickeyl: why you need to clear it selectively? |
| 21:45.18 | mickeyl | because I'm switching compilers |
| 21:45.28 | mickeyl | or - more exactly - just switching binutils |
| 21:45.34 | mickeyl | and i doubt that ccache gets that |
| 21:46.13 | treke | probably does |
| 21:47.02 | treke | wait. would ccache even be involved with binutils? |
| 21:47.32 | mickeyl | oh you're right |
| 21:47.35 | mickeyl | prolly not |
| 21:47.47 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 21:48.06 | mickeyl | well, i want to keep the battery in/out cycles to a minimum, so I'm gonna go for the safe way |
| 21:48.36 | treke | understandable :p |
| 21:49.20 | W8TVI-Zaurus | werid.. it looks like the icons are missing for the opie pims |
| 21:49.58 | W8TVI-Zaurus | opie 1.0 |
| 21:50.24 | Harlekin | normally and user update error |
| 21:53.21 | W8TVI-Zaurus | I thought there was an opie-icons package |
| 21:53.36 | treke | opie-pics, isnt it? |
| 21:53.47 | W8TVI-Zaurus | maybe |
| 21:54.00 | W8TVI-Zaurus | hmmm |
| 21:54.06 | W8TVI-Zaurus | says its installed |
| 21:54.59 | W8TVI-Zaurus | well.. I'll remove and reinstall |
| 21:56.32 | treke | husky image and shepherd image are the same, right? |
| 21:56.58 | mickeyl | no |
| 21:57.03 | mickeyl | at least different kernel config |
| 21:57.16 | W8TVI-Zaurus | ah... better |
| 21:57.22 | Harlekin | treke: yup |
| 21:57.27 | W8TVI-Zaurus | got my icons |
| 21:57.37 | W8TVI-Zaurus | thanks guys... bbl |
| 21:57.39 | treke | just different kernel? |
| 21:58.33 | mickeyl | think so, yeah. and the problem with the updater.sh and the bad flash blocks |
| 21:58.47 | treke | fun |
| 21:59.30 | mickeyl | and flashing once again.... |
| 21:59.36 | mickeyl | now would that damn thing PLEASE WORK NOW |
| 22:00.58 | mickeyl | YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 22:01.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:01.19 | Twiun | see? my fingers are the BEST! |
| 22:01.24 | mickeyl | indeed |
| 22:01.35 | Twiun | and now, time for bed :) |
| 22:01.39 | Twiun | my fingers are exhausted! |
| 22:01.42 | Twiun | g'night! |
| 22:02.24 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:02.24 | mickeyl | okay. so the things to learn: 1.) cross-2.95.3 from eirik and nothing else |
| 22:02.24 | mickeyl | 2.) turn off SHARPSL_PARAMS |
| 22:02.29 | treke | hehehe |
| 22:02.36 | mickeyl | 3.) don't load pxa_bi |
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| 22:04.13 | mickeyl | now on to see if it survives a suspend/resume cycle |
| 22:05.16 | mickeyl | ok. suspend takes 5 seconds.... a bit too long imho |
| 22:05.21 | mickeyl | now trying resume... |
| 22:06.43 | mickeyl | okay |
| 22:06.43 | mickeyl | it's there |
| 22:06.47 | treke | it resumed? |
| 22:06.49 | mickeyl | takes 15 seconds to be responsive - but it's there again. |
| 22:06.55 | mickeyl | hotplug: timed out |
| 22:06.57 | mickeyl | and stuff |
| 22:07.00 | mickeyl | but it works |
| 22:07.07 | mickeyl | now that's a start for further developing. |
| 22:07.11 | treke | takes my ipaq 15 seconds to be responsive :P |
| 22:07.15 | treke | think that is launcher |
| 22:07.23 | mickeyl | not only |
| 22:07.31 | mickeyl | some things down under also |
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| 22:07.39 | mickeyl | andersee ? |
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| 22:07.48 | mickeyl | welcome on board, andersee |
| 22:07.50 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:08.01 | andersee | mickeyl: g'day |
| 22:08.33 | mickeyl | in fact it is a good day - yes. my domain got connected again after the old hoster got bankrupt and i have a shepherd build which works for the first time. |
| 22:09.02 | andersee | cool |
| 22:09.16 | mickeyl | now just the annual reminder for you before I get to bed... please don't forget that STL issue in uclibc-toolchain ;) |
| 22:09.28 | mickeyl | g'night all - c'ya. |
| 22:14.47 | treke | so, is the shepherd bootldr lame? ;p |
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| 22:25.45 | Harlekin | mithro-uni: progress? |
| 22:35.19 | treke | hmmm |
| 22:35.32 | treke | I dont think I have a big enough CF card to flash a c760 :p |
| 22:38.03 | Harlekin | ? |
| 22:38.05 | Harlekin | 16 mn |
| 22:38.06 | Harlekin | mb |
| 22:38.17 | treke | looked like the images were 128 megs |
| 22:38.42 | Harlekin | ? |
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| 22:43.58 | kergoth | treke: you only need that to do the full nand backup/restore from the diags |
| 22:44.09 | kergoth | treke: you can do af lash from the maintainance menu with a zimage.bin+initrd.bin+updater.sh |
| 22:44.09 | treke | ah |
| 22:46.28 | stigger | hi all I've tried to get the buildroot but the machine I tried it on ran out of space |
| 22:46.35 | stigger | I've moved it to another mahine how do I get the rest |
| 22:46.43 | kergoth | huh? |
| 22:46.53 | kergoth | "get the rest" means what? |
| 22:47.01 | treke | kergoth: did you see someone got an SDIO device semi working on a c7something? |
| 22:47.07 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:47.14 | treke | fricken cool |
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| 23:01.36 | treke | hmm. kernel wont build |
| 23:02.28 | treke | Assembler messages: |
| 23:02.28 | treke | Error: use of old and new-style options to set CPU type |
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| 23:04.09 | treke | should I be using gcc2 for the kernel? |
| 23:04.48 | ljp | yes. next question. |
| 23:04.59 | treke | now for a serious answer :p |
| 23:05.12 | ljp | that was serious |
| 23:05.16 | treke | ok |
| 23:14.08 | pb_ | is that ipaq kernel, or zaurus? |
| 23:14.12 | pb_ | you probably want gcc3 for ipaq. |
| 23:14.52 | Harlekin | now i get why ipaqs tend to crash more recently |
| 23:16.03 | kergoth | you want gcc3 for a 2.4.21 collie build as well. just depends on the tree |
| 23:17.46 | Harlekin | every 3rd or 4th plugin into cradle -> bye bye kernel |
| 23:17.52 | Harlekin | inserting mmc card -> bye bye kernel |
| 23:18.06 | Harlekin | heavy tcp ip traffik -> bye kernel |
| 23:18.11 | kergoth | ouch |
| 23:18.26 | Harlekin | usb stuff at least also with hh22 |
| 23:18.35 | Harlekin | mmc does not crash |
| 23:18.40 | Harlekin | but has some other hickups |
| 23:18.57 | Harlekin | was about the fam 0.7.x release kernel |
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| 23:28.23 | treke | its for the husky |
| 23:29.09 | pb_ | oh, yours arrived already? |
| 23:29.31 | treke | pb_: Yeah, I'm gonna go pick it up in a half an hour |
| 23:29.51 | treke | was getting a head start on the build since it takes a while :p |
| 23:29.53 | Speedy2 | Yo Pb, treke. |
| 23:29.57 | pb_ | treke: cool. |
| 23:29.58 | pb_ | Speedy2: yo |
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| 23:43.39 | stigger | ok that worked is .cvspass writable but not edited? good or bad |
| 23:44.05 | stigger | ok I got this at the end of bk repair |
| 23:44.08 | stigger | takepatch: 4798 new revisions, 0 conflicts in 2547 files |
| 23:44.09 | stigger | 22066920 bytes uncompressed to 65205753, 2.95X expansion |
| 23:44.12 | stigger | Running resolve to apply new work ... |
| 23:44.13 | stigger | Using :0.0 as graphical display |
| 23:44.15 | stigger | .cvspass writable but not edited? |
| 23:44.18 | stigger | Will not overwrite edited .cvspass |
| 23:44.19 | stigger | resolve: RESYNC directory left intact. |
| 23:44.22 | stigger | good or bad ?? |
| 23:44.32 | kergoth | chmod ugo=rrr .cvspass |
| 23:44.34 | kergoth | bk resolve |
| 23:44.49 | treke | and use bk edit next time |
| 23:45.08 | kergoth | treke: his clone was interrupted half checked out, wasnt necessarily him |
| 23:45.16 | kergoth | then used bk repair to get the missing metadata |
| 23:45.17 | treke | ah |
| 23:46.19 | treke | ibot, sashe? |
| 23:46.20 | | treke: no idea |
| 23:46.22 | treke | ibot, sashez? |
| 23:46.23 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, treke |
| 23:46.27 | kergoth | sashz |
| 23:46.31 | treke | ibot, sashz? |
| 23:46.31 | | treke: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:46.38 | treke | ibot f*k off |
| 23:46.39 | | treke: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:46.53 | treke | kergoth: You know where he/she put the husky image? |
| 23:48.07 | kergoth | nope |
| 23:52.06 | stigger | ok that did something |
| 23:52.11 | stigger | Verifying consistency of the RESYNC tree... |
| 23:52.11 | stigger | COPYING writable but not edited? |
| 23:52.11 | stigger | Will not overwrite edited COPYING |
| 23:52.11 | stigger | resolve: RESYNC directory left intact. |
| 23:52.22 | stigger | is that good or bad |
| 23:52.47 | treke | use your head |
| 23:53.04 | ljp | http://dot.kde.org/1061880936/ |
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