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| 01:02.08 | ljp | pyro |
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| 01:38.54 | W8TVI | kergoth: this thing is acting werid |
| 01:39.44 | W8TVI | the battery light stays on when I leave it pluged in, but it doesn't charg |
| 01:39.45 | W8TVI | e |
| 01:40.00 | W8TVI | and the mail light just stays on |
| 01:40.17 | W8TVI | If I leave it unpluged long enough the mail light goes out |
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| 02:11.54 | treke|home | this is so not my night |
| 02:12.09 | treke|home | I go to the market to get some stuff |
| 02:12.27 | treke|home | then I get home, go pull out some bread for dinner, and find it's moldy |
| 02:15.41 | treke|home | how very monday |
| 02:16.08 | mewyn | god dam |
| 02:16.18 | kergoth | heh, i hate it when that happens |
| 02:16.21 | mewyn | sco claims 55,000 lines of code on NUMA |
| 02:16.33 | mewyn | i can't find 2,500 lines of code on it |
| 02:18.55 | chouimat | night |
| 02:18.59 | treke|home | mewyn: you sure you are counting right? |
| 02:19.02 | treke|home | you need to count ilocs |
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| 02:38.13 | mewyn | i'm counting total lines in files |
| 02:38.24 | mewyn | not just lines of code |
| 02:38.32 | treke|home | like I said, you need to count ilocs |
| 02:38.44 | mewyn | what is ilocs? |
| 02:38.45 | treke|home | Imaginary Lines Of Code |
| 02:38.50 | mewyn | ah! |
| 02:38.57 | mewyn | RIGHT!... totally forgot about those |
| 02:39.03 | mewyn | hrm... still less than 2,500 |
| 02:39.18 | mewyn | :) |
| 02:40.37 | mewyn | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=75144&cid=6729098 |
| 02:40.54 | mewyn | i've got to head out right now... but i shall comment more on this when i get back! |
| 02:42.21 | treke|home | I like the parent |
| 02:46.56 | treke|home | oh well. I'm gonna go take the moldy bread as a sign from above that I need to buy the NWN expansion :) |
| 02:48.25 | kergoth | aha |
| 02:48.32 | kergoth | i like your logic! |
| 02:48.44 | effy-kun | lol |
| 02:48.50 | effy-kun | is it truly logic in any way? |
| 02:48.59 | treke|home | actually it isnt completly stupid. I was originally going to go to the compusa next door to vons and get it |
| 02:49.03 | treke|home | decided not to though |
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| 02:49.39 | treke|home | there is a method to my madnes :p |
| 02:50.17 | effy-kun | mewyn: good for you +) |
| 02:50.19 | effy-kun | ;) |
| 02:59.18 | ljp | at least you admit you have a madness |
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| 03:36.44 | mewyn | ok, i'm back |
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| 03:44.21 | joshua_ | #oe-ipaq seems to be nonexistant |
| 03:44.35 | treke|home | true |
| 03:48.52 | joshua_ | elite |
| 03:53.29 | treke|home | didnt Neo have one? |
| 03:58.32 | joshua_ | grrr |
| 03:58.38 | joshua_ | everything is perfect except for two little problems. |
| 03:58.43 | joshua_ | pin 53 and 50. |
| 03:59.29 | kergoth | treke|home: heh, from what he said, it wont meet my needs |
| 03:59.43 | kergoth | treke|home: a determinant gets calculated thats 12.5 bytes wide. no int type can hold that. |
| 03:59.51 | kergoth | so i need to use a negative scale |
| 04:00.03 | kergoth | which implies that the impl dynamically scales |
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| 04:01.43 | mewyn | 12.5 bytes? that's an interesting number |
| 04:02.57 | kergoth | ? rough estimate of the width of the resulting value |
| 04:03.02 | kergoth | it'll vary |
| 04:03.10 | ljp | bleh |
| 04:03.13 | kergoth | the point being its far beyond the 8 bytes i have to work with |
| 04:03.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:03.22 | kergoth | anyway, i'm almost done with this |
| 04:04.00 | treke|home | easy fix |
| 04:04.06 | treke|home | just tell the hardware guys to add an fpu |
| 04:06.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:06.58 | mewyn | lol |
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| 04:10.47 | mewyn | damn this version of firebird is VERY buggy |
| 04:12.32 | Com[Plex] | sup kergoth: long time no see |
| 04:17.28 | Com[Plex] | hey uh.. is there any way to connect to a running terminal, - as in, opening a shell on my zaurus from my pc over ssh, and then, on my zaurus, connecting into that same shell to see whats going on? |
| 04:26.19 | kergoth | open the psuedo tty your ssh session is using? |
| 04:26.28 | kergoth | you'd obviously need the necessary perms |
| 04:33.41 | Com[Plex] | ahh.. |
| 04:34.03 | Com[Plex] | is that something thats not set up by default? |
| 04:34.17 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:34.27 | kergoth | ls -l is your friend |
| 04:34.31 | Com[Plex] | perms = permissions, right? |
| 04:34.35 | kergoth | yes |
| 04:35.51 | Com[Plex] | im not familiar with the proccess. there any quick topic I can lookup in the mans for this subject? |
| 04:36.10 | Com[Plex] | also, I dont want to take voer the session, just observe it. |
| 04:36.31 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:36.36 | kergoth | its a device |
| 04:36.39 | kergoth | in /dev |
| 04:36.45 | kergoth | google for 'pseudo tty' |
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| 04:36.53 | effy-kun | either of you ever use and LTO tape device in Linux? |
| 04:37.13 | Com[Plex] | sweet. thanks |
| 04:37.50 | Com[Plex] | say, whats the zaurus running on port 4992 ? |
| 04:38.13 | Com[Plex] | and why does he have a pop3 server and its own smtp server running on it? |
| 04:51.13 | ljp | thats how we get all those emaill addies for our spam list |
| 04:54.47 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 04:55.06 | Com[Plex] | well. echo /dev/pts/1 has some interesting results.. |
| 04:55.17 | kergoth | echo? |
| 04:55.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:55.24 | kergoth | use cat. |
| 04:55.25 | Com[Plex] | no, I mena, more |
| 04:55.29 | Com[Plex] | sry |
| 04:55.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:55.43 | Com[Plex] | is more and cat the same thing? |
| 04:56.03 | kergoth | are you kidding me? |
| 04:56.06 | kergoth | read the fucking man pages. |
| 04:56.12 | Com[Plex] | growl |
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| 05:37.43 | heatxsink | hey W8TVI |
| 05:37.44 | heatxsink | how are ya? |
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| 05:57.56 | W8TVI | hey heatxsink |
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| 06:16.34 | heatxsink | W8TVI: you get your stuff to compile? |
| 06:16.43 | W8TVI | what stuff? |
| 06:20.31 | W8TVI | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3426886289&category=1484 |
| 06:20.41 | W8TVI | *TOSHIBA MAGNIA SG10 SERVER w/ MANUAL & DISC* |
| 06:20.51 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.21 | W8TVI | Description (revised): I HAVE A *TOSHIBA MAGNIA SG10 SERVER w/ MANUAL & DISC* WILL PASS FOR NEW. |
| 06:21.41 | W8TVI | its not even know and he wants more than $899 for it |
| 06:22.03 | kergoth | lol |
| 06:22.23 | W8TVI | why the h*ll would anyone want to pay $899 for a used server, that you can get the next model up for $200 new?! |
| 06:22.58 | W8TVI | some one needs to call hiom and tell him he's out of his mind |
| 06:23.29 | ChipX86|Coding | someone tried to sell me a 486 for $400 not long ago |
| 06:23.55 | W8TVI | I hopw you told him, yeah... right |
| 06:24.01 | ChipX86|Coding | I did |
| 06:24.10 | W8TVI | I wish I even had a stock ipaq... |
| 06:24.11 | ChipX86|Coding | he claimed he made some tweaks and it was as fast as any 1GHz box |
| 06:24.13 | joshua_ | ChipX86|Coding: why didn't you buy it?! normally you'd pay 486 or MORE - the 486 is just the processor you know! 400 is a bargain! :) |
| 06:24.38 | ChipX86|Coding | hah :P |
| 06:26.12 | W8TVI | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3041966056&category=1484 |
| 06:26.13 | W8TVI | Buyer pays 150.00 for ground shipping, handling, and insurance. |
| 06:27.07 | W8TVI | No Operating System |
| 06:27.18 | ChipX86|Coding | hah |
| 06:29.22 | W8TVI | I thought that fuses were supost to PROTECT the things attached to it... |
| 06:29.27 | joshua_ | haha |
| 06:29.31 | joshua_ | what blew up/ |
| 06:29.35 | joshua_ | DAMNIT |
| 06:29.36 | W8TVI | my zaurus |
| 06:29.37 | joshua_ | my shift key is dying |
| 06:29.44 | joshua_ | W8TVI: heh. what part of it blew up/ |
| 06:29.58 | W8TVI | something to do with power/charging |
| 06:30.09 | W8TVI | it wont power on or charge the battery |
| 06:31.09 | joshua_ | oh. |
| 06:31.11 | joshua_ | ew. |
| 06:31.48 | W8TVI | If I could get a zaurus with a bad screen, I could take the two and make one working zaurus |
| 06:32.09 | joshua_ | heh |
| 06:32.13 | W8TVI | but I'll have to get it for cheap... |
| 06:32.20 | W8TVI | like less than $50 |
| 06:32.29 | joshua_ | www.ebay.com |
| 06:32.38 | joshua_ | oh right |
| 06:32.39 | W8TVI | I tried |
| 06:32.41 | joshua_ | you're already there |
| 06:33.24 | W8TVI | right now I'm limited to $29 total untill I pay my bill |
| 06:33.29 | W8TVI | cread card that is |
| 06:33.33 | W8TVI | credit |
| 06:33.34 | joshua_ | ah |
| 06:34.00 | W8TVI | and if I haden |
| 06:34.37 | W8TVI | and if I hadn't got this toshiba server, I could have gotten a new(er) zaurus |
| 06:36.06 | W8TVI | it sucks only having a $300 credit limit |
| 06:41.46 | heatxsink | damn.. |
| 06:42.07 | heatxsink | W8TVI: do you have a the link to the toolchain? |
| 06:42.09 | heatxsink | anyone? |
| 06:42.10 | heatxsink | please? |
| 06:42.21 | W8TVI | its in the OZ FAQ |
| 06:42.28 | heatxsink | the link is broken |
| 06:44.15 | heatxsink | nm |
| 06:44.21 | heatxsink | I got the toolchain |
| 06:47.36 | W8TVI | why dont rpm install=minicom-2.00.0-3.i386.rpm work? |
| 06:48.05 | ChipX86|Coding | rpm -Uvh minicom-...rpm |
| 06:49.34 | W8TVI | error: open of install=minicom-2.00.0-3.i386.rpm failed: No such file or directory |
| 06:49.43 | ChipX86|Coding | -Uvh |
| 06:49.45 | ChipX86|Coding | not install= |
| 06:49.49 | W8TVI | ah |
| 06:49.50 | W8TVI | lol |
| 06:50.11 | W8TVI | hrm |
| 06:50.17 | W8TVI | error: failed dependencies: lockdev |
| 06:50.25 | W8TVI | ok.... |
| 06:51.26 | W8TVI | ok... now they are both installed |
| 06:51.30 | W8TVI | thanks ChipX86|Coding |
| 06:51.41 | W8TVI | I asked in #redhat and they ignored me |
| 06:51.57 | ChipX86|Coding | yeah |
| 06:52.19 | ChipX86|Coding | well #packaging is my channel. Some people there may be able to help, though it's more for discussing the future of package management |
| 06:52.39 | ChipX86|Coding | jbj (rpm lead devel), the fedora guys, GNUpdate, autopackage, and sometimes the gentoo guys hang out there |
| 06:53.57 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 06:54.06 | W8TVI | I cant type anything to my LCD |
| 06:54.24 | W8TVI | Do'h! |
| 06:54.37 | W8TVI | looks like the LCD damon is still runinng |
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| 08:00.45 | ljp | hmm |
| 08:01.31 | pb_ | hi ljp |
| 08:01.48 | ljp | hey.. whatsa happening? |
| 08:02.21 | Administrator__ | I should be sleeping |
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| 08:02.38 | TCMAN | hi |
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| 08:04.11 | ljp | masticator: you ever get the dev shop going? |
| 08:04.31 | masticator | should happen by the end of sept. |
| 08:04.42 | masticator | much progress made this month |
| 08:05.08 | masticator | what the hell is up with the #qtopia channel |
| 08:06.11 | ljp | hmmm.. not sure |
| 08:06.23 | masticator | may be set so that only mods can talk on it |
| 08:06.48 | masticator | so you are at Trolltech now right |
| 08:09.50 | ljp | ya |
| 08:09.54 | ljp | try now |
| 08:10.27 | CAMCAM | I coudn't post anything there ? |
| 08:10.37 | CAMCAM | So all my previous message are lost |
| 08:10.39 | CAMCAM | ? |
| 08:11.05 | ljp | hmm, try it. not sure whats going on |
| 08:11.58 | CAMCAM | You haven't read anything before the -v change ? |
| 08:12.15 | CAMCAM | Ok, I post then again |
| 08:12.45 | ljp | I dont see anything there. wtf |
| 08:15.10 | CAMCAM | The channel demigods have stolen your voice |
| 08:15.12 | ljp | you posting anything? |
| 08:15.31 | CAMCAM | Yes |
| 08:15.33 | CAMCAM | And the message : The channel demigods have stolen your voice |
| 08:15.36 | CAMCAM | so nothing will appear |
| 08:15.42 | ljp | wft |
| 08:15.57 | CAMCAM | wft ? |
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| 08:16.57 | CAMCAM | Sorry, English is not my natural language so I have difficulties for some abreviation |
| 08:17.04 | CAMCAM | wft ? |
| 08:17.30 | ljp | what the f*ck |
| 08:19.31 | CAMCAM | I see your post but my voice is always stolen ;) |
| 08:20.30 | masticator | me too |
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| 08:43.28 | heatxsink | what port does OpenZaurus use for SSH? |
| 08:43.29 | heatxsink | and SFTP? |
| 08:44.24 | tronical | ssh and sftp are both bound to port 22 |
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| 16:10.07 | masticator | morning |
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| 16:14.03 | treke | mornin masticator |
| 16:14.17 | chouimat | hi masticateur |
| 16:14.23 | masticator | heya. |
| 16:16.59 | chouimat | tux_mike: what they said today? |
| 16:17.05 | tux_mike | check /.? |
| 16:17.10 | tux_mike | code leaks |
| 16:17.21 | tux_mike | it's BSD code from BSD 2.11, on the PDP-11 |
| 16:17.38 | treke | dude bsd 2.11 |
| 16:17.49 | joshua_ | http://web.archive.org/web/20010124101700/www.sco.com/offers/ancient001/v7/ |
| 16:17.51 | joshua_ | there you go kids |
| 16:19.15 | treke | tux_mike: I like the first picture |
| 16:19.23 | treke | we have proof of a stolen comment! |
| 16:19.32 | chouimat | treke: hehee |
| 16:20.13 | tux_mike | treke: yah |
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| 16:20.59 | masticator | I have said all along a lot of that code has to come from BSD |
| 16:21.10 | tux_mike | and i have belived you |
| 16:22.29 | masticator | now they said some 80,000 lines of code (or was it 580,000) relating to SMP is also copied |
| 16:22.30 | chouimat | http://lwn.net/Articles/45019/ |
| 16:22.42 | masticator | they also referred to JFS, which is an IBM technology |
| 16:22.59 | tux_mike | masticator: it's above a million infringing lines now |
| 16:23.13 | gb2 | masticator: and XFS, which is SGI's |
| 16:23.24 | tux_mike | we are coming up to exceeding the number of lines of code in the kernel portions (excluding drivers |
| 16:23.53 | masticator | the SMP shit in question has to come from Sequent |
| 16:23.59 | masticator | in which case it never originated at SCO |
| 16:24.23 | masticator | sequent contributed it to Monterey |
| 16:24.30 | masticator | and then IBM bought sequent |
| 16:25.16 | masticator | but as I recally Sequent was part of Trillium right |
| 16:25.29 | masticator | the IA64 linux consortium? |
| 16:25.36 | masticator | or was that just IBM |
| 16:26.08 | masticator | ok thanks |
| 16:26.23 | masticator | it was IBM, VA and at least one other right |
| 16:26.31 | TimRiker | HP |
| 16:27.04 | masticator | so this SMP shit in question originates from that or from Sequent? |
| 16:27.50 | TimRiker | http://web.archive.org/web/20000817011530/http://www.ia64linux.org/ |
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| 16:28.29 | TimRiker | from sequent via ibm from what I read, but I can't confirm that. |
| 16:29.10 | masticator | okay but didnt that code have to pass thru all the Trillian partners before it hit Linus? |
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| 16:30.53 | tux_mike | timriker: you wouldn't happen to know if TI makes a USB 2.0 hub chip? |
| 16:31.12 | tux_mike | I was eyballing their 1.1 one a while ago for a project |
| 16:32.38 | masticator | TimRiker: no offense, but I think we should nuke Orem |
| 16:33.32 | masticator | lol |
| 16:33.45 | pb_ | heh |
| 16:34.48 | masticator | Tim shouldnt care, he lives in Dallas now |
| 16:34.48 | masticator | lol |
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| 16:48.06 | Twiun | yo |
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| 17:34.23 | tiptone | i'm getting bk errors, i assume this is fatal -> |
| 17:34.36 | tiptone | Consistency check failed, repository left locked. |
| 17:36.31 | kergoth | why did the check fail? |
| 17:37.04 | tiptone | first error was: bad file checksum, corrupted file? |
| 17:37.38 | tiptone | then it looks like it downloaded another file (konqueror-snapshot-full) and died |
| 17:37.59 | masticator | wassup kergoth |
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| 17:38.52 | tiptone | it looks like it died while: "Running consistency check ... |
| 17:39.28 | masticator | holy shit |
| 17:39.33 | masticator | they blew up the UN HQ in Iraq |
| 17:39.40 | masticator | terrorist bastards |
| 17:40.19 | masticator | the senior UN envoy was killed |
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| 17:41.29 | gasss | WHAT?!?!??! |
| 17:41.34 | gasss | oh it was a un guy |
| 17:41.36 | gasss | who cares |
| 17:41.36 | gasss | :P |
| 17:41.38 | liyang | (hey, the US did blow up half their country, but let's keep politics out of this channel...) |
| 17:41.57 | liyang | Unless it's SCO-bashing, of course. |
| 17:42.03 | gasss | liyang now that is a boldface lie and you know it |
| 17:42.10 | gasss | we targeted their militant stuff only |
| 17:42.21 | gasss | militart |
| 17:42.23 | gasss | militaryt |
| 17:42.59 | masticator | the UN is not a military installation anyway |
| 17:43.10 | masticator | thats killing innocent civilians |
| 17:43.15 | liyang | As I said, let's keep politics out of this channel. |
| 17:43.48 | gasss | mastic no I mean liyang's charge that we totalled iraq |
| 17:44.09 | treke | liyang: That would be a change |
| 17:44.23 | treke | this has never been a politics free channel |
| 17:44.30 | liyang | Shame. |
| 17:44.50 | tiptone | kergoth: any clue about the error ? |
| 17:44.53 | gasss | well guys I plan to try to boot my dead palm very soon |
| 17:45.08 | gasss | using the grounding the cpu pin to force serial bootstrapping method |
| 17:45.10 | gasss | wise me luck |
| 17:45.22 | gasss | 1 question though |
| 17:45.25 | kergoth | tiptone: huh? |
| 17:45.31 | gasss | on a battery system, what's considered ground ? |
| 17:45.53 | tiptone | kergoth: the bitkeeper error... |
| 17:46.05 | kergoth | run bk check manually |
| 17:46.08 | kergoth | read the man page. |
| 17:46.21 | kergoth | bk helptool check / bk help check |
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| 17:50.58 | TimRiker | ~brando |
| 17:50.59 | | from memory, brando is sells/exports the Sharp Zaurus and other electronics http://shop.brando.com.hk/ or mailto:brando@brando.com.hk. C700 $500, C750 $525, C760 $610 USD, (and $45 shipping via fedex) use email for zaurus orders, or plus shipping, or no warranty and japanese sortware. |
| 17:51.06 | TimRiker | gasss: got my c750 there. |
| 17:52.57 | gasss | bah too many pda's want to go with xscale instead of TI OMAP |
| 17:53.05 | gasss | "oh 400 mhz is so much better" |
| 17:53.06 | gasss | bah |
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| 17:53.16 | gasss | arm is a good cpu but no great on everything |
| 17:53.35 | gasss | I think the TI idea is better, have a DSP for those tasks better not done on the arm |
| 17:54.55 | gasss | that's a shame about the UN embassy but shouldn't they have had armed guards with rocket launches there |
| 17:55.18 | gasss | I know there did that in some other places, if someone didn't stop when told and show the papers, etc, boom |
| 17:57.50 | gasss | http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtId=BMC2150-PB |
| 17:57.54 | gasss | oh man would that be useful |
| 17:58.00 | gasss | connected to a pc with a video capture card |
| 18:00.02 | gasss | I need some kinda nice magnification system if I am going to do embedded work |
| 18:04.43 | gasss | but actually a child's toy would probably be enough |
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| 18:07.48 | icefox | what is /dev/tssim ? touch screen simulator? From the VNC source |
| 18:14.38 | gasss | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7002126306.html |
| 18:14.39 | gasss | damn |
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| 18:41.52 | W8TVI | treke: whats eating you? |
| 18:41.59 | treke | W8TVI: nothing |
| 18:43.36 | W8TVI | I use a stylus pen that has a nice polymer tip that doens't scratch the screen |
| 18:43.56 | liyang | Talking of covers, has anyone used Brando's offering? |
| 18:43.57 | treke | W8TVI: and that is completly unrelated to my comment |
| 18:45.04 | W8TVI | covers on PDAs in genral like the zaurus has? |
| 18:45.10 | treke | yes |
| 18:45.40 | W8TVI | well, sony does that on some of its PDAs |
| 18:45.53 | W8TVI | not clear, but a cover none the less |
| 18:46.06 | treke | doesnt need to be clear |
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| 18:46.31 | treke | it just needs to prevent knives, keys, and cell phones from dinging up the display |
| 18:48.02 | W8TVI | it even has a slot to hold my wireless card |
| 18:49.02 | W8TVI | some one offerd to sell me a sl-5500 with a broken screen for $85 |
| 18:49.09 | icefox | haha |
| 18:50.06 | W8TVI | I was asking if anyone had a sl-5500 with a broken screen they wanted to sell for cheap |
| 18:50.33 | icefox | bla, I still can't figure out how to simulate touch's on the screen |
| 18:50.57 | W8TVI | "I think the cursor button below isn't working quite right. " |
| 18:51.26 | W8TVI | treke: the sony tg50 has a flipcover |
| 18:51.34 | masticator | hey icefox. |
| 18:51.37 | treke | W8TVI: just go die |
| 18:51.38 | treke | W8TVI: now |
| 18:52.01 | W8TVI | treke: no thank-you. |
| 18:54.42 | W8TVI | hmm... |
| 18:55.04 | W8TVI | yhe sony ux40 looks like the ux50 minus the wi-fi |
| 19:01.03 | gb2 | mutt |
| 19:01.06 | gb2 | doh, wrong window |
| 19:01.28 | W8TVI | Enter password: |
| 19:01.34 | W8TVI | :P |
| 19:02.15 | masticator | I think these softfield guys are charging too much |
| 19:02.21 | masticator | the device should be $250 |
| 19:02.26 | masticator | $299 is way too much |
| 19:02.31 | masticator | for a unit with those specs |
| 19:03.18 | masticator | in fact they should even consider selling it for $199 |
| 19:03.24 | masticator | as the base level dell is selling for that |
| 19:04.01 | W8TVI | masticator: don't forget that the price will drop after its relesed |
| 19:04.08 | masticator | of course |
| 19:04.53 | treke | $299? |
| 19:05.27 | treke | that puts them right in competition with the ipaq and dell's high end model |
| 19:05.32 | masticator | yep |
| 19:05.34 | treke | both of which are nicer machines |
| 19:05.50 | masticator | the Axim x5 400mhz with the double memory is 299 |
| 19:05.59 | W8TVI | and I bet that other places will sell it for less |
| 19:06.17 | masticator | w8 that depends entirely whether or not softfield has resellers |
| 19:06.27 | masticator | if they only sell it directly pricing will be an issue |
| 19:06.42 | W8TVI | Options: 140pins socket reserved for CompactFlash module, |
| 19:07.09 | W8TVI | I was thinking that it would be a good replacement for my dead Z untill I saw that... |
| 19:07.31 | masticator | well apparently that socket can take the CF expansion and a few other things |
| 19:09.43 | masticator | the high end axim is $293 |
| 19:09.51 | masticator | http://www.dell.com/us/en/dhs/products/series_pda_snp.htm |
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| 19:10.08 | gasss | wow |
| 19:10.11 | treke | ibot, seen Demo? |
| 19:10.16 | | demo <~demo@wlanap2.nz.psg.sk> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 6h 22m 45s ago, saying: 're'. |
| 19:10.17 | masticator | 400mhz processor |
| 19:10.27 | masticator | 48mb rom 64mb ram |
| 19:10.30 | treke | dammit. One of these days I'll run into him again |
| 19:10.35 | gasss | here I thought graphical lcd's required some fancy interface chip much like a vga video card or lvds on laptops |
| 19:10.37 | masticator | so really, these softfield guys need to get real |
| 19:10.39 | gasss | wiw |
| 19:10.50 | gasss | you can use a graphical lcd on a parallel port |
| 19:11.10 | gasss | man that opens up a whole crapload of embedded pc projects like mini web browsers etc |
| 19:11.28 | gasss | masticator what do you expect, soffield is canadian |
| 19:11.34 | W8TVI | masticator: can you run linux on the axim? |
| 19:11.36 | masticator | I really wish Dell was willing to work with us to give us full specs |
| 19:11.47 | masticator | we could sell so many linux axims its not even funny |
| 19:12.01 | W8TVI | I Want to be able to run opie on it |
| 19:12.04 | gasss | http://earthlcd.com/controlt6963c_c.txt |
| 19:12.07 | gasss | wow that's not hard |
| 19:12.25 | gasss | I wonder if it's possible to interface a old palm lcd to a pc parallel port |
| 19:12.29 | prpplague | gasss: on true embedded (i.e. non-x86 boards) working from a parallel port style interface consumes a ton of power and always creates bandwidth issues |
| 19:12.32 | treke | W8TVI: Not very well |
| 19:12.48 | gasss | prpp well yeah on non-x86 |
| 19:12.50 | treke | W8TVI: It boots. It can get into opie, but a large chunk of stuff isnt supported |
| 19:12.54 | W8TVI | ah |
| 19:13.34 | gasss | wow |
| 19:13.37 | gasss | 240x128 $29 |
| 19:14.26 | gasss | it would be fun to come up with a gui system under linux etc for these |
| 19:14.28 | W8TVI | I think I'll just wait till I can get another sl-5500 or a c700 |
| 19:14.29 | gasss | wm just for them etc |
| 19:14.49 | treke | W8TVI: I'm hoping it does get supported eventually. An engineer in dell was playing with it, but it wasnt an official project, and demo has done some work |
| 19:15.03 | treke | W8TVI: If that doesnt work out, I might end up going with the smaller ipaq 2200 |
| 19:15.21 | prpplague | gasss: uh, already is one, called picogui |
| 19:15.40 | gasss | prpp well I mean tweaked for very small graphical lcd's |
| 19:15.49 | treke | gasss: picogui |
| 19:15.56 | gasss | then again I guess it's the same on a pda or a hacked pc interface |
| 19:16.03 | gasss | so yeah I guess picogui would work |
| 19:16.12 | treke | that is the whole point of picogui |
| 19:16.29 | gasss | yeah but I wasn't thinking that hacking a lcd onto a pc would be the same |
| 19:16.30 | gasss | guess it is |
| 19:16.49 | prpplague | gasss: so do i |
| 19:17.00 | gasss | I have too many what-if's in my head right now, getting all jumbled |
| 19:17.06 | gasss | possibilities etc |
| 19:17.40 | gasss | I wonder what would the cheapest and relitivey simple but fast way to interface a graphical lcd |
| 19:17.45 | gasss | parallel port or something else hacked up |
| 19:17.55 | cyn | they make usb ones now |
| 19:18.07 | gasss | cyn neat but are they around $30-$50 |
| 19:18.13 | cyn | or are you talking about from a manuf pov |
| 19:18.20 | cyn | do you want just an interface or what |
| 19:18.26 | cyn | interfaces are relatively custom |
| 19:18.26 | gasss | no talking about fun at home or 3rd world project |
| 19:18.41 | cyn | like, you don't just take an old laptop, pop the screen out, and have a spare monitor |
| 19:18.42 | gasss | taking like old 386's or something and slapping a 320x240 lcd on them |
| 19:18.44 | gasss | for web etc |
| 19:18.52 | gasss | no I know about laptop lcd's |
| 19:18.58 | gasss | those are LVDS = $$$$$$$$$$$$$ to interface |
| 19:19.07 | gasss | I am talking about simpler graphical lcd's |
| 19:19.10 | gasss | like the ones off a pda |
| 19:19.14 | cyn | you can get like 640x480 from earthlcd for like $100 with the lcd |
| 19:19.15 | cyn | iirc |
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| 19:19.23 | treke | evening pb |
| 19:19.43 | gasss | Samsung |
| 19:19.43 | gasss | UG24U01WGHT3B |
| 19:19.43 | gasss | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.43 | gasss | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.43 | gasss | Samsung UG24U01WGHT3A 240x320 240 x 320 Transflective positive Graphic EL Backlit FSTN Touch Screen Included, New Pull - 3" PDA Touchscreen LCD $39 |
| 19:20.10 | pb_ | yo treke |
| 19:20.33 | gasss | yeah this looks like some simple logic chips could drive this sob |
| 19:20.38 | gasss | even possibly a parallel port |
| 19:21.14 | prpplague | gasss: needs bias voltage chip and doesn't interface to a parallel port easily |
| 19:21.33 | gasss | bias voltage chip ? |
| 19:22.03 | gasss | well I found one that easily interfaces to a pc |
| 19:22.04 | prpplague | gasss: you need to create a bias voltage to make the lcd work |
| 19:22.18 | gasss | http://earthlcd.com/controlt6963c_c.txt |
| 19:22.30 | gasss | wtf is a bias voltage |
| 19:23.01 | prpplague | gasss: google it dude, lots of lcd how to's out there |
| 19:23.11 | gasss | yes I know |
| 19:23.19 | gasss | I been studying chracter lcd's for months |
| 19:23.29 | gasss | I just discovered how simple graphical lcd's can be to interface |
| 19:23.34 | gasss | like 30 mins ago |
| 19:23.50 | prpplague | gasss: not as easy as the docs make them look |
| 19:24.14 | gasss | well that paper shows you how to parallel port hookup |
| 19:24.42 | gasss | I am talking one with a integrated controller btw |
| 19:24.46 | gasss | if that wasn't apprent |
| 19:25.24 | mewyn | kergoth: ping |
| 19:26.59 | gasss | obvious a graphical lcd with no controller is not worth the effort to control for a newbie like me |
| 19:39.46 | icefox | When I try to write() it returns -1 and gives me an "Invalid argument" What coudl that be from? |
| 19:41.25 | mewyn | icefox: where you working now, that sharp let you go? |
| 19:42.55 | icefox | Symbol |
| 19:43.46 | mewyn | cool |
| 19:44.04 | mewyn | all you guys made out pretty well, it seems |
| 19:44.13 | mewyn | is symbol doing linux stuff? |
| 19:44.29 | icefox | hmmm guess I can't say no sense I am at work |
| 19:44.38 | mewyn | heh |
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| 20:02.12 | kergoth | icefox: what gives you an invalid argument? |
| 20:02.15 | kergoth | mewyn: pong |
| 20:02.20 | icefox | hey there |
| 20:02.31 | mewyn | kergoth: do you know how to build phoenix with gtk2? |
| 20:03.19 | kergoth | mewyn: not offhand |
| 20:04.07 | mewyn | ah well, i'll just bulid it with gtk1 then |
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| 20:22.22 | mewyn | bored? |
| 20:22.44 | kergoth | annoyed, actually |
| 20:22.47 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:23.19 | ChipX86 | at what? |
| 20:23.53 | absentia | re |
| 20:25.47 | absentia | I have a linksys wcf12 for my 700, but it deoesn't seem to work.. others say that have managed to get it to work... I also have a dlink 660w .... and that seems to work just fine, again, for my 700 |
| 20:26.18 | kergoth | this damn code |
| 20:26.23 | kergoth | its not liking me today |
| 20:26.50 | mewyn | kergoth: from your dealing with python files, what has been the best way to read a file, line by line? |
| 20:26.52 | ChipX86 | :/ I know how you feel.. beed neck deep in perl XSUB code today |
| 20:27.01 | ChipX86 | er, been |
| 20:28.35 | absentia | I was 'bout to call up dynamism to buy a 750... and now it looks like tkc may sell the 7x0 .... |
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| 20:40.35 | gb2 | kergoth: i was doing a little poking into the keymap on my c760 |
| 20:41.02 | gb2 | kergoth: i'm a little confused as to why there should be differences between the OZ kernel and the sharp kernel. |
| 20:41.15 | icefox | Once I clean up this (1 file) tapper app if oe wants it I can forward it your way. |
| 20:42.12 | gb2 | kergoth: since teh OZ kernel pulls in the sharp patches which include the keymap for the corgi based machines. |
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| 20:44.03 | TCMAN | hi |
| 20:46.56 | kergoth | gb2: sharp uses a hardcoded keymap inside qt for gui |
| 20:47.02 | kergoth | gb2: OZ obeys the kernel keymap everywhere. |
| 20:47.13 | absentia | the pre-emptive kernel... or something because of it |
| 20:47.21 | absentia | doesn't allow me to use tab.... might also be the fbvnc |
| 20:47.33 | gb2 | kergoth: ah |
| 20:47.44 | absentia | I'm still delighted with zdebian, and fbvnc with 800x600 screen. |
| 20:47.46 | gb2 | kergoth: so sharp basically cheats. |
| 20:48.11 | absentia | what I like the best is the ability to have a window take up the entire screen, and I can use fn-down-arrow to get to the bottom or fn-up-arrow to get to the title bars. |
| 20:48.20 | absentia | looks like a console, but it's really an X window. |
| 20:48.42 | kergoth | gb2: yeah, it was a hackish way of doing things |
| 20:48.51 | kergoth | gb2: makes remapping things in qtopia a bitch, if not impossible |
| 20:48.59 | gb2 | kergoth: is there a pre-existing tool to dump keycodes or am i going to have to whip one up myself to do some quick checks before hacking up the keymap? |
| 20:49.03 | kergoth | on the fly that is. |
| 20:49.07 | kergoth | there are a number o ftools for that |
| 20:49.25 | kergoth | busybox doesnt have them all, but console-tools will, iirc |
| 20:50.06 | gb2 | the keyboard on these machines looks like a typical linux "keyboard" then? |
| 20:50.36 | gb2 | i never liked the old linux keyboard interface, i'm spoiled by staring at the input layer too long |
| 20:50.38 | kergoth | what do you mean? |
| 20:50.43 | kergoth | oh, yeah |
| 20:50.49 | kergoth | normal console ioctls & the like |
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| 20:52.01 | prpplague | gb2: iirc, there is a program called kev, a console version of xev |
| 20:52.53 | gb2 | yeah. i remember using one about 7-8 years ago |
| 20:53.18 | prpplague | gb2: the other one is showkey |
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| 20:57.16 | kergoth | mul: fixed=-2499224576.000000 ref=-2500025000.000000 abserr=800424.000000 |
| 20:57.19 | kergoth | hrmph. |
| 20:57.29 | kergoth | an error of 800,424 on a multiplication != good |
| 20:57.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:58.00 | kergoth | oh, thats why it failed |
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| 21:00.46 | gb2 | showkey |
| 21:00.49 | gb2 | that's the tool, yeah |
| 21:09.33 | ljp | hmm, need coffee |
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| 21:21.14 | kergoth | weird, I have a fever |
| 21:21.16 | kergoth | just out of the blue |
| 21:21.19 | treke | fun |
| 21:21.33 | ljp | its that dallas weather |
| 21:21.43 | kergoth | i hate trying to concentrate when i have a fever |
| 21:21.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:21.48 | ljp | anyone would have a fever there |
| 21:22.29 | gb2 | heh, it was cold when i was in dallas in may |
| 21:22.46 | treke | gb2: oh, so only 110? |
| 21:22.50 | gb2 | 90s before i got there, 60s-70s while i was there, 90s after |
| 21:23.12 | gb2 | i was actually about an hour drive away from dallas, but we flew through there. |
| 21:23.18 | prpplague | gb2: ya the last 3 years have been extremely mild in east texas |
| 21:23.31 | prpplague | gb2: where bouts? |
| 21:23.39 | gb2 | thunderstorms and cold mist while i was there, not so good for deploying cell equipment on towers |
| 21:23.49 | gb2 | prplague: de leon |
| 21:23.57 | gb2 | it's not far from dublin |
| 21:24.40 | prpplague | gb2: i mean "an hour drive away from dallas" |
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| 21:25.37 | gb2 | dublin is about an hour-1.5h west south west of dallas |
| 21:26.04 | gb2 | the town we were working in is called De Leon |
| 21:26.46 | prpplague | odd never heard of those towns |
| 21:26.55 | gb2 | dublin, tx is where dr pepper comes from |
| 21:27.15 | gb2 | stephenville? |
| 21:27.53 | prpplague | gb2: yaya, near glenrose |
| 21:28.17 | prpplague | gb2: i know where that is now, lol |
| 21:28.24 | gb2 | i'm not really all that familiar with the area, work sent me down there to do some equipment deploy |
| 21:28.38 | kergoth | heh, i need to figure out where shit is around here |
| 21:29.12 | Twiun | round the corner in the toilets? |
| 21:29.34 | treke | ~lart Twiun |
| 21:29.47 | Twiun | what? |
| 21:30.05 | Twiun | can't a fellow make fun of kergoth when he's got a fever around here? |
| 21:30.14 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, been here all my life, still finding places, lol |
| 21:30.36 | kergoth | heh, i know where to find alcohol, food, and eletronics |
| 21:30.41 | kergoth | which is plenty |
| 21:30.56 | prpplague | kergoth: hookers? |
| 21:31.14 | ljp | I pass by 3 alcohol stores on my short 15 bike ride to and from work |
| 21:31.27 | ljp | oh, and a bar |
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| 21:31.42 | gb2 | there are about 5 within 3 blocks of my apartment i think |
| 21:31.49 | gb2 | ofcourse i live right in the heart of boston |
| 21:31.58 | gb2 | which also means i'm screwed on sundays |
| 21:32.04 | prpplague | ljp: ya well, when you get to oz you'll have to have a couple VB on the way to work, lol |
| 21:32.20 | kergoth | prpplague: /whois |
| 21:32.31 | ljp | I am in oz |
| 21:32.38 | ljp | :) |
| 21:32.42 | ljp | whis me |
| 21:32.45 | ljp | whois me |
| 21:32.56 | prpplague | ljp: oh, i didn't realize you'd already moved |
| 21:33.11 | ljp | ya, this will be my third week |
| 21:34.37 | prpplague | ljp: cool, well, enjoy a VB for me then sometime, lol |
| 21:34.52 | ljp | VB? visual basic? |
| 21:35.02 | prpplague | ljp: victorian bitter |
| 21:35.04 | prpplague | ljp: beer |
| 21:35.18 | ljp | ahhh. I prefer rum.. |
| 21:35.56 | prpplague | ljp: ahh |
| 21:36.37 | ljp | but I suppose I could try one for you. ;) |
| 21:37.08 | prpplague | ljp: thanks, i have a nice fine bottle of mt.gay extra old, i'll take a swig for ya |
| 21:37.21 | ljp | wooot! party! |
| 21:37.37 | treke | how fitting. prpplague has a bottle of mt gay |
| 21:38.04 | prpplague | treke: lol, don't even drink rum, just grabbed it last time i was in barbados |
| 21:40.41 | prpplague | treke: http://www.mountgay.com/index2.html |
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| 22:01.03 | heatxsink | is there a list of compatible GPS units for the zaurus? |
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| 22:11.16 | kergoth | mul: fixed=-2500024320.000000 ref=-2500025000.000000 abserr=680.000000 |
| 22:11.19 | kergoth | _much_ better. |
| 22:11.44 | kergoth | 50000 * -50000.5 only results in an error of 680 |
| 22:13.29 | dotPixel | ... aha :D |
| 22:14.06 | kergoth | much better than the previous 700,000 |
| 22:14.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:15.09 | treke | mewyn: great quote on linux.com |
| 22:15.24 | treke | "f McBride's latest unsubstantiated claim is to be believed, the Linux kernel developers didn't actually contribute any new lines of code to the 2.4 release. It all would have had to come from SCO. |
| 22:16.22 | W8TVI_ | heh |
| 22:18.47 | imk | http://lwn.net/Articles/45019/ |
| 22:18.49 | imk | just read that |
| 22:18.56 | imk | :D |
| 22:25.14 | mewyn | treke: yah, no kidding :) |
| 22:27.15 | treke | mewyn: this is why I love SCO. You cant make shit like this up :p |
| 22:27.29 | mewyn | they sure can, though :) |
| 22:30.33 | mewyn | hrm.... |
| 22:31.05 | gb2 | total loss on this zaurus console methinks |
| 22:31.14 | kergoth | hows that? |
| 22:31.26 | gb2 | pushing keys produces multiple characters |
| 22:31.41 | gb2 | i quit opie to run showkey on the console |
| 22:31.51 | kergoth | nothing is a total loss |
| 22:31.57 | kergoth | worst case we rewrite the driver |
| 22:32.02 | kergoth | which is what happened for collie |
| 22:32.05 | gb2 | yeah. |
| 22:32.11 | gb2 | keyboard works in opie |
| 22:32.13 | gb2 | atleast mostly |
| 22:32.28 | gb2 | there, ssh'd into the zaurus :) |
| 22:32.30 | gb2 | how convenient |
| 22:35.58 | gb2 | was the driver completely rewritten for the collie or just the keymaps? |
| 22:36.07 | kergoth | it was completely rewritten |
| 22:36.12 | kergoth | and the keymap was redone from the ground up |
| 22:36.24 | kergoth | to match sharp's pdf on the collie keymap |
| 22:37.21 | dotPixel | collie = 7x0's ? |
| 22:37.26 | kergoth | no |
| 22:37.28 | kergoth | ibot: collie |
| 22:37.28 | | well, collie is sharp sl-5500 and sl-5000d, or a dog |
| 22:37.28 | gb2 | corgi is |
| 22:37.40 | kergoth | 7x0 = corgi,shepherd,husky |
| 22:37.44 | kergoth | 5600 = poodle |
| 22:38.08 | dotPixel | ibot... eh whats that ? |
| 22:38.11 | dotPixel | poodle :D |
| 22:38.12 | ljp | damn, just when I was going to pay my SCO license, too |
| 22:38.13 | dotPixel | lol |
| 22:39.12 | W8TVI | we aren't stupid ljp, we aren't going to give into thier extortion |
| 22:41.07 | mewyn | i know, let's all buy SCO licenses |
| 22:41.30 | gb2 | aha |
| 22:41.34 | gb2 | getty didn't reset kbd mode |
| 22:41.36 | gb2 | so it lost |
| 22:42.10 | W8TVI | I'll sell you an SCO license for $10 |
| 22:43.41 | W8TVI | it'll be printed on nice paper, and be worth more than the onse from SCO |
| 22:44.00 | mewyn | only if it's done on a roll of TP |
| 22:45.03 | W8TVI | I cant fit TP in my printer |
| 22:45.07 | gb2 | hm |
| 22:45.17 | gb2 | the keymap seems fine |
| 22:45.27 | gb2 | i wonder why it doesn't work the same in opie |
| 22:46.35 | kergoth | gb2: the qt keymap handler has a known problem |
| 22:46.42 | kergoth | which is the reason why some things dont behave as you expect |
| 22:47.09 | kergoth | the kernel keycode -> qt keycode mapping table expects raw kernel keycodes, not post-mapping |
| 22:47.19 | gb2 | yeah. |
| 22:47.20 | kergoth | someone needs to re-populate the table |
| 22:47.23 | kergoth | "someone" |
| 22:47.25 | kergoth | i havfent had time |
| 22:47.34 | gb2 | which table? |
| 22:47.38 | kergoth | see the comments at the top of qkeyboard_qws.cpp |
| 22:47.50 | kergoth | which outlined the last things i needed to do for the keyboard handler |
| 22:49.00 | kergoth | its in src/kernel in the qt sources |
| 22:49.24 | gb2 | yeah, found it |
| 22:50.33 | W8TVI | http://lwn.net/Gallery/ |
| 22:50.40 | W8TVI | some of those are funny |
| 23:18.01 | gb2 | scary looking code |
| 23:18.01 | gb2 | hrm |
| 23:19.09 | kergoth | gb2: look at it before our patch is applied, even worse :) |
| 23:19.44 | gb2 | when you said the driver was rewritten.. were you refering to the qt keyboard driver? |
| 23:19.47 | gb2 | or the kernel one? |
| 23:19.51 | kergoth | hey tronical |
| 23:19.53 | kergoth | gb2: both. |
| 23:20.00 | tronical | hey |
| 23:20.10 | tronical | kergoth: how's .21 coming along? :) |
| 23:20.21 | gb2 | I wasn't able to find a patch to the kernel keyboard driver looking through the patches in the buildroot |
| 23:21.38 | kergoth | gb2: thats because it wasnt rewritten in 2.4.6 |
| 23:21.42 | kergoth | gb2: only in our new tree |
| 23:21.49 | gb2 | ah |
| 23:21.51 | kergoth | tronical: untouched, been enjoying _not_ coding in my free time |
| 23:21.53 | kergoth | tronical: hehe |
| 23:22.06 | tronical | kergoth: excellent idea! :) |
| 23:26.22 | kergoth | can someone do me a favor and cat /etc/pointercal for me? |
| 23:26.24 | kergoth | doesnt matter what device |
| 23:26.29 | kergoth | just need a rough idea as to the range of hte values |
| 23:26.50 | ljp | on my desktop? ;) |
| 23:27.17 | kergoth | preferably on a device that has an /etc/pointercal |
| 23:27.20 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:27.24 | ljp | ahh one sec |
| 23:27.52 | W8TVI | http://lwn.net/Articles/43363/ |
| 23:28.46 | ljp | 67963 0 -140773 0 -1475824 65536 |
| 23:28.47 | gb2 | 68300 0 -14620 0 73951 -1361715 65536# |
| 23:28.52 | gb2 | minus the # |
| 23:28.56 | gb2 | no newline in the file |
| 23:29.12 | kergoth | eh, yeah i'm definately overflowing |
| 23:29.22 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:29.22 | kergoth | i think 70 million for constant 3 is a bit much |
| 23:29.31 | treke | W8TVI: haha |
| 23:29.34 | treke | W8TVI: " Infringement of patent 4,821,211 ("method of navigating among program menus using a graphical menu tree")." |
| 23:29.50 | W8TVI | IBM will win |
| 23:30.11 | W8TVI | SCO made a bad choice in going after IBM |
| 23:31.37 | W8TVI | "I think another reason was these were chosen was to send a message. "Don't sue IBM if you work with computers because IBM owns the patent on everything including the start menu. Literally." " |
| 23:37.08 | treke | I would try hating ljp today, but ljp only exists tomorrow |
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| 23:41.05 | W8TVI | isnt thay ipv6? |
| 23:41.24 | pb_ | yes |
| 23:41.30 | ljp | thats funny |
| 23:41.55 | W8TVI | on an IRC server? |
| 23:42.02 | W8TVI | werid |
| 23:42.19 | pb_ | well, it's not that unusual. |
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| 23:42.53 | W8TVI | hmmm |
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| 23:42.59 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:43.17 | ljp | wow, yer leet, G! |
| 23:44.33 | W8TVI | Connecting to irc.ipv6.freenode.net (3ffe:b80:1ce1:1::1) port 6667.. |
| 23:44.44 | treke | ~kill W8TVI |
| 23:44.46 | | ACTION executes killall -9 W8TVI |
| 23:44.59 | gb2 | kergoth: is this all dependant on the hard coded key map for the SL5xxx |
| 23:45.04 | treke | hmmm |
| 23:45.04 | gb2 | that's in the file |
| 23:45.10 | W8TVI | ibot lart treke |
| 23:46.07 | gb2 | or rather.. it's dependant on both that and the kernel map for different things. |
| 23:46.13 | treke | I wonder if UML works fairly well |
| 23:47.25 | W8TVI | hmm... |
| 23:47.43 | W8TVI | I don't think that my firwall server likes ipv6 |
| 23:47.48 | W8TVI | need to fix that |
| 23:48.22 | kergoth | gb2: hmm? |
| 23:48.29 | kergoth | gb2: i dont know what you mean. |
| 23:48.48 | kergoth | gb2: there is no hardcoded keymap thats 5500 specific in our recent tree |
| 23:49.06 | kergoth | there is however a table in qt to translate kernel keycodes to qt keycodes |
| 23:49.13 | kergoth | but that isnt device specific in any way. |
| 23:49.25 | gb2 | well. |
| 23:49.37 | gb2 | there are 2 shift keys on the c760 |
| 23:49.49 | kergoth | .. yes. |
| 23:49.51 | gb2 | they generate different codes, only one of which is in the table in qt |
| 23:49.57 | kergoth | and the kernel keymap maps both to shift |
| 23:50.05 | kergoth | which is why the table has to reflect hte keycodes _AFTER_ mapping |
| 23:50.07 | kergoth | now its before |
| 23:50.10 | kergoth | which is what i said earlier |
| 23:50.26 | gb2 | one of them seems to map to Key_Meta |
| 23:50.43 | gb2 | ah |
| 23:51.59 | gb2 | the codes listed in that table appear to be the same output when i run "showkey -u" |
| 23:52.07 | gb2 | which are supposedly unicode translated characters |
| 23:53.55 | kergoth | use loadkeys to map your second shift key to shift |
| 23:54.01 | kergoth | then add printfs to the qt keyboard handler |
| 23:54.03 | kergoth | and you'll see what i mean |
| 23:54.26 | W8TVI | http://news.independent.co.uk/digital/news/story.jsp?story=434778 |
| 23:54.28 | W8TVI | Texting blamed for summer movie flops |
| 23:54.30 | gb2 | according to the kernel, it is a shift |
| 23:54.53 | kergoth | .. how hard is this to understand? |
| 23:54.56 | kergoth | setup a test case |
| 23:55.19 | kergoth | use the kernel keymap to map one key to another, then see how it interacts iwth qt's key table |
| 23:56.05 | W8TVI | wow: Moderation |
| 23:56.05 | W8TVI | You have moderator access and 5 points (expire on 2003-08-22). |
| 23:56.10 | W8TVI | thats on slashdot |
| 23:56.12 | W8TVI | heh |