| 00:01.54 | tgall_ | hmmm alright ... better ... error is gone ... tho other problems but let me track this down as I'm sure they are more part of my "weirdo" env |
| 00:09.03 | mewyn | kergoth: have you seen the new delphi? |
| 00:09.07 | mewyn | XM reciver |
| 00:11.30 | kergoth | nope |
| 00:11.44 | mewyn | it's smaller and looks pretty cool |
| 00:11.47 | chouimat | hi kergoth any news? |
| 00:11.51 | kergoth | nice |
| 00:11.52 | kergoth | nope |
| 00:12.04 | ljp | I got news |
| 00:12.11 | chouimat | ljp: a job for me? |
| 00:12.16 | ljp | it's bloody nice weather down here! |
| 00:12.34 | noda | It's beautiful here. 24 degrees, I don't even need to turn on AC |
| 00:12.56 | chouimat | ljp: I currently wondering which CDs to rip for my vacations ... |
| 00:13.07 | mewyn | kergoth: i kinda want to get one of those |
| 00:13.11 | noda | chouimat: All :) |
| 00:13.40 | chouimat | noda: I'm leaving tuesday for prague ... will be wenesday afternoon in montreal |
| 00:13.57 | treke|home | ibot, seen Demo? |
| 00:13.57 | | demo <~demo@wlanap2.nz.psg.sk> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 2h 49m 51s ago, saying: 'ok ...'. |
| 00:14.08 | treke|home | dammit |
| 00:14.30 | noda | chouimat: But you've gotta have really random music selection, you need your entire library! :) |
| 00:14.37 | noda | What's in prague, anyway? |
| 00:14.54 | chouimat | noda: I'm going to the kde conference in nove hrady |
| 00:15.29 | noda | Ooh fun. |
| 00:15.33 | noda | Promote GNOME! :) |
| 00:15.42 | chouimat | noda: nah! OE :) |
| 00:15.46 | noda | Heh |
| 00:15.57 | chouimat | but I don't have any laptop :( |
| 00:17.00 | treke|home | fuck gnome |
| 00:17.01 | chouimat | noda: GNOME guys remind me of the PQ assholes so ... |
| 00:17.08 | mewyn | PQ? |
| 00:17.22 | chouimat | mewyn: Parti Quebecois |
| 00:17.35 | mewyn | ah |
| 00:18.18 | noda | Hehehe |
| 00:18.27 | noda | chouimat: I thought most french-speaking people *liked* the PQ :) |
| 00:18.44 | chouimat | noda: I voted for the ADQ last election |
| 00:18.45 | mewyn | chouimat: perhaps canada should let quebec go |
| 00:18.50 | noda | lol |
| 00:19.02 | noda | mewyn: That's what the PQ said. |
| 00:19.24 | mewyn | yah. let them crumble |
| 00:19.51 | noda | Then the referendum had *just* under 50% of people agreeing, and the Premier said something rather degrading about the 'ethnic vote' and disappeared from the face of politics. |
| 00:20.23 | noda | That was an exciting night on the radio :) |
| 00:20.40 | chouimat | noda: I was leaving just upstair the PQ local by then |
| 00:20.55 | noda | Cool |
| 00:21.04 | noda | AAAAH! My mozilla upgrade destroyed all my local mail folders! |
| 00:21.23 | noda | Oh PHEW, I backed it up :) |
| 00:21.41 | chouimat | noda: when the score changed ... I was outside singing "Nah Nah Nah Hey Hey Goodbye!" |
| 00:21.49 | noda | Heh |
| 00:24.07 | chouimat | noda: they all knew I was against thhey option allready so ... |
| 00:24.56 | noda | ffs. Mozilla's slaughtering my profile :( |
| 00:33.30 | treke|home | <asdf_46> treke|home, When I baught my iPaq I assumesed it would be line my |
| 00:33.33 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.01 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:34.16 | kergoth | why would you buy something without knowing the specs? |
| 00:34.20 | treke|home | beats me |
| 00:34.23 | kergoth | idiocy |
| 00:34.51 | treke|home | its like people who go buy a toshiba then complain when you cant run linux on it |
| 00:35.25 | Twiun | yeah... I'll be going in with my eyes wide open when I buy my thinkpad.... |
| 00:35.50 | Twiun | I should've remembered to switch the light on |
| 00:35.53 | treke|home | thinkpads should run linux |
| 00:36.08 | Twiun | yeah, the acpi doesn't work apparently.... but apm does |
| 00:36.20 | treke|home | acpi never really works |
| 00:36.26 | Twiun | true enough |
| 00:36.30 | treke|home | sometimes it just doest fuck up as well as usual |
| 00:39.31 | Twiun | chouimat: loved that bash.org quote... it's a shame we can't guarantee it was real ;) |
| 00:41.11 | chouimat | Twiun: the one about the staple or the mother? |
| 00:42.25 | Twiun | chouimat: the mother one |
| 00:43.05 | chouimat | noda: http://www.bash.org/?125283 and http://www.bash.org/?114332 |
| 00:43.13 | chouimat | Twiun: the second one is the staple one |
| 00:44.06 | noda | lol |
| 00:44.13 | Twiun | chouimat: hrm... the mother one was more believable :) |
| 00:44.18 | noda | Yeah |
| 00:44.49 | treke|home | yeah I liked the mother one |
| 00:45.57 | chouimat | http://www.bash.org/?127713 |
| 00:46.32 | noda | lol |
| 00:47.17 | chouimat | noda: http://www.bash.org/?127637 |
| 00:50.08 | chouimat | noda: http://ulyx.ath.cx/siamese.jpg |
| 00:50.27 | noda | lol, seen that. |
| 00:50.34 | noda | Oh, I've got a good one... someone at work sent it to me :) |
| 00:50.53 | chouimat | noda: which one? |
| 00:50.56 | noda | http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/ft030814.gif |
| 00:50.59 | treke|home | hahahahahaha |
| 00:51.00 | noda | Just a sec, gotta forward the port I think |
| 00:51.24 | chouimat | treke|home: ;) |
| 00:51.26 | noda | Nope, it's already forwarded. Nice :) |
| 00:52.16 | treke|home | chouimat: crap that one is too good. |
| 00:52.37 | chouimat | treke|home: the siamese yup I know |
| 00:53.07 | chouimat | treke|home: I wonder if we can make a little office poster with this one |
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| 01:46.14 | Zar | hy all |
| 01:46.30 | Zar | just finished install 2.6.0-test3 |
| 01:47.05 | Zar | my new laptops batteries lasting 3 1/2 hours thanks to powersave instead of 1:45 |
| 01:47.46 | zar | redhat 9 + 2.6.0-test3 is a beast |
| 01:49.28 | noda | Awesome, I'm having fun with speedstep myself on test2 :) |
| 01:49.46 | noda | My laptop suspends but won't wake up. I can standby and turn off the monitor though :) |
| 01:51.37 | W8TVI | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2747153390&category=1247 |
| 01:51.40 | W8TVI | AT&T UNIX PC PC 7300 aka 3B1 |
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| 01:55.14 | kergoth | damnit. i hate it when i buy shit at hte grocery store, go home, and realize stuff is missing |
| 01:55.19 | kergoth | guess i mustve missed a bag |
| 01:55.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:55.30 | zar | noda switch to test3 i had the same problem with cpufreq no it works great on my laptop |
| 01:55.32 | noda | Ack |
| 01:55.43 | noda | zar: Yeah, will do soon :) |
| 01:55.55 | noda | I've been having a bitch of a time trying to find out what all the module names have changed to in 2.6 :P |
| 01:56.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:56.16 | zar | Im on it now runnin in powersave more with powernow |
| 01:56.27 | kergoth | didnt use the script to generate a proper modutils conf so your aliases are setup? |
| 01:56.32 | kergoth | makes it pretty painless. |
| 01:56.34 | zar | I had the same problem mousedev and keybddev are changed |
| 01:56.44 | noda | update-modules? |
| 01:56.58 | zar | kergoth the new init modutils worked on mine |
| 01:57.03 | kergoth | huh? |
| 01:57.04 | kergoth | no shit |
| 01:57.05 | zar | its generate-modprobe |
| 01:57.10 | noda | zar: Oh, if you're having the same problem I was (INCREDIBLY sensitive touchpad), just don't compile in /dev/psaux and change X to use /dev/input/mice :) |
| 01:57.10 | kergoth | yes, thats what i'm talking about. |
| 01:57.10 | zar | its a script |
| 01:57.14 | kergoth | NO SHIT |
| 01:57.18 | kergoth | thats what i just fucking said |
| 01:57.21 | kergoth | and i was talking to noda |
| 01:57.24 | noda | lol |
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| 01:57.31 | noda | I'm using debian... |
| 01:57.37 | kergoth | i know, lets explain to kergoth what he's already saying |
| 01:57.41 | kergoth | just to piss him off more than usual |
| 01:57.44 | noda | rofl |
| 01:57.44 | kergoth | theres a fucking good idea. |
| 01:57.53 | zar | I had a synaptics touch pad I had to install event devices and a xwindows modules and change my XFconfig to get my touch pad to werk |
| 01:58.10 | noda | Haven't gotten hostap working with 2.6, am stuck with orinoco_cs |
| 01:58.34 | zar | Im running a orinoco gold card thats a new one so its a atheros |
| 01:58.59 | zar | luckly the madwifi atheros drivers work but it taints my kernel lol |
| 02:00.15 | zar | the only thing thats not working on my laptop is the winmodem I got to take a look at the code |
| 02:00.23 | noda | zar: What laptop? |
| 02:00.36 | zar | compaq 2110US |
| 02:01.04 | zar | I just got one for 999 |
| 02:02.06 | noda | nice |
| 02:02.25 | noda | zar: Are you having problems with playing video (on XV) eating up tons of CPU? |
| 02:02.36 | zar | no |
| 02:02.39 | noda | Damn. |
| 02:02.39 | zar | I use mplayer :) |
| 02:02.58 | noda | Um. Xv is the video output layer mplayer uses... |
| 02:03.40 | zar | im on a athalon |
| 02:06.27 | noda | This one's a centrino :) |
| 02:10.11 | zar | oh well im off to hack a linmodem module |
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| 02:14.51 | chouimat | night |
| 02:27.13 | treke|home | kergoth: does you sg20 have any kind of open pci slots? |
| 02:27.27 | W8TVI | there arent any |
| 02:27.33 | treke|home | damn |
| 02:27.36 | W8TVI | but it does has an APG slot |
| 02:27.45 | treke|home | fat lot of good that does |
| 02:27.51 | W8TVI | the pci slot is for the riser |
| 02:28.02 | kergoth | yeah its not exactly very expandable or hackable for that matter |
| 02:28.05 | W8TVI | for the HDD and stuff |
| 02:28.11 | kergoth | does have a minipci slot though, used for the modem |
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| 02:29.10 | W8TVI | whats the command to see whats on the pci bus again? |
| 02:29.20 | treke|home | lspci? |
| 02:29.32 | W8TVI | ah ok |
| 02:29.32 | W8TVI | thanks |
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| 02:29.45 | treke|home | I was thinking of either buying a tivo or building something to run mythtv |
| 02:29.52 | W8TVI | 00:0b.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc.: Unknown device 6972 |
| 02:30.03 | W8TVI | 00:0a.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics LT WinModem (rev 02) |
| 02:30.24 | kergoth | wonder if any companies sell a settop box pc case independently |
| 02:30.31 | kergoth | itx or something |
| 02:30.36 | treke|home | I pay the 30 bucks a month for cable becase there are shows I like, but I almost never end up seeing them |
| 02:30.51 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 02:30.55 | W8TVI | 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C598/694x [Apollo MVP3/Pro133x AGP] |
| 02:31.30 | W8TVI | I've read about people buying one of these and sticking windows 2000 on them! |
| 02:31.42 | W8TVI | how stupid is that? |
| 02:32.36 | kergoth | heh, what a waste |
| 02:33.03 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 02:33.17 | W8TVI | heh |
| 02:33.34 | W8TVI | I just sent "hello" to the lcd on my sg20 |
| 02:33.58 | W8TVI | but it went on the bottom line |
| 02:34.07 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.17 | treke|home | wonder if they are reasonable yet |
| 02:36.19 | W8TVI | kergoth: it seems to wrap the line around from the end of the bottm line to the top |
| 02:36.40 | kergoth | W8TVI: figure out how it interfaces with the panel? |
| 02:36.45 | kergoth | strace/ltrace the binary? |
| 02:36.56 | W8TVI | echo 1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 02:37.02 | kergoth | serial? nice |
| 02:37.06 | W8TVI | :) |
| 02:37.11 | W8TVI | heh |
| 02:37.42 | W8TVI | the first line is the bottom line.. and it wraps around at the end to the top line |
| 02:38.03 | kergoth | heh, weird |
| 02:38.04 | treke|home | hmmm. looks like you can get data off of tivos and into linux |
| 02:40.47 | treke|home | kergoth: btw, I'll be tossing gaim into buildroot as soon as the source is released |
| 02:41.04 | kergoth | great. |
| 02:41.14 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.22 | kergoth | should add config items for build types |
| 02:41.30 | kergoth | X vs qtopia & the like |
| 02:41.34 | treke|home | hehe |
| 02:41.39 | treke|home | in OE |
| 02:41.53 | treke|home | dont waste any more time than necessarry on buildroot |
| 02:42.37 | treke|home | " 64M of RAM alone (3800/3900 series |
| 02:42.39 | treke|home | iPaQ) is very limiting" |
| 02:43.02 | treke|home | what is he smoking? My last laptop only had 32mb of ram and all it couldnt do was play games |
| 02:43.11 | kergoth | heh, no kidding |
| 02:43.30 | treke|home | for a pda, 64MB is plenty. If it isnt, the software is totally broken |
| 02:44.16 | kergoth | no shit. its a _PDA_ for gods sake |
| 02:44.42 | kergoth | can hardly even be called 'embedded' with the speed & ram on these things nowadays |
| 02:44.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:46.24 | treke|home | Yeah. It's kinda hard to call it a "small" environment when we are dealing with a 400mhz xscale with 64MB of ram. |
| 02:46.38 | treke|home | the onlything that semi justifies it is the 32MB of storage space :p |
| 02:47.07 | W8TVI | some one get this for me: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3040978573 |
| 02:47.14 | W8TVI | I hit my limit |
| 02:47.47 | W8TVI | no money left to go any higher |
| 02:48.52 | W8TVI | eather that, or some one let be boworow thier zaurus untill I can buy one to replace mine |
| 02:50.05 | treke|home | screw you |
| 02:50.11 | treke|home | someone needs to buy kergoth a zaurus |
| 02:50.30 | kergoth | hey yeah, would be nice to have a 5500 with a working touchscreen |
| 02:50.32 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:50.58 | W8TVI | your lucky... I dont even have a working zaurus |
| 02:52.00 | treke|home | traded it into work for a 3800. One of my coworkes used it for a week and never touched it again :p |
| 02:52.46 | W8TVI | I am PDA less now |
| 02:53.01 | andersee | btw, somebody should take a moment to update dropbear in buildroot... |
| 02:53.13 | andersee | Upstream just cut a release fixing a remotely exploitable format string vulnerability. |
| 02:54.18 | treke|home | what is the new version number? |
| 02:54.32 | treke|home | 0.34? |
| 02:55.10 | andersee | http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear-0.35.tar.bz2 |
| 02:55.21 | kergoth | treke|home: can you take care of it for me? |
| 02:55.23 | gb2 | do the kernels on zauruses play at all with the cpu speed throttling on xscales? |
| 02:55.28 | treke|home | kergoth: sure |
| 02:55.32 | kergoth | thanks |
| 02:55.43 | W8TVI | hey kergoth: want to buy a zaurus? |
| 02:56.05 | W8TVI | that the tuch screen still works? |
| 02:56.18 | kergoth | heh, if you dont want it, why would i want it? |
| 02:56.37 | andersee | W8TVI: I'll give you $10 for it |
| 02:56.39 | W8TVI | for the tuch screen |
| 02:56.52 | W8TVI | andersee: ha...ha.... |
| 02:57.03 | treke|home | work |
| 02:57.43 | W8TVI | if I had the money to get myself a new one I might... |
| 02:58.00 | treke|home | steal one |
| 02:58.22 | W8TVI | there is only one person I know in my area that has one |
| 02:58.30 | treke|home | steal it from him |
| 02:58.55 | W8TVI | but he is the friend of the guy who runs our LUG |
| 02:59.06 | W8TVI | and he knows about my zaurus being dead |
| 02:59.16 | treke|home | Hmmmm that is a problem |
| 02:59.21 | treke|home | you'll have to kill him |
| 02:59.33 | W8TVI | maybe the'd give me his job |
| 02:59.34 | kergoth | yeah, then you can take more than just his Z |
| 03:00.11 | treke|home | good point. |
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| 04:15.43 | Pendalar | ugh is there any way to speed up sftp transfers? |
| 04:15.58 | Pendalar | I'm getting 80kps max.. I know it's not as fast as FTP or mounting but still |
| 04:19.01 | W8TVI | heh |
| 04:19.11 | W8TVI | some one is trying to scam me |
| 04:20.28 | W8TVI | wants to send $50,000 |
| 04:20.55 | W8TVI | revanthonyobi_2: u can cash it and send to the ophanage homes |
| 04:21.28 | W8TVI | I was thinking about calling the local FBI office |
| 04:21.49 | kergoth | ibot: logs |
| 04:21.49 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 04:23.05 | treke|home | hate hate hate |
| 04:24.27 | kergoth | whats the asshole that we keep banning's nick again? fishhead? |
| 04:24.33 | treke|home | fishhead |
| 04:24.42 | kergoth | k |
| 04:25.04 | treke|home | I cant decide whether or not to do my next build with gcc 3 |
| 04:26.56 | andersee | treke|home: use gcc 3.3.1 |
| 04:27.29 | andersee | treke|home: works nicely |
| 04:27.32 | treke|home | screw it. I dont use any binary only apps |
| 04:31.31 | treke|home | dont forget flyback |
| 04:34.02 | kergoth | anyone have any logs handy of his threats against our lives? |
| 04:34.07 | treke|home | I do |
| 04:34.14 | kergoth | going to grep the chan logs from ibot, my clients dont log generally. |
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| 04:35.16 | knoppix | ibot oz todo |
| 04:35.17 | | somebody said oz todo was http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/OzTODO |
| 04:35.52 | knoppix | ibot oz bk |
| 04:35.53 | | extra, extra, read all about it, oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 04:36.43 | andersee | kergoth: he making more silly threats? |
| 04:37.07 | kergoth | andersee: yeah, messaging me again. this time its "i will destroy you" |
| 04:37.24 | kergoth | andersee: just ignored him again, but figured id let the folks in #freenode know about the incidents |
| 04:38.10 | andersee | I just left me ban in place, so I've not heard from him |
| 04:38.23 | treke|home | kergoth: I'm trying to dif up the log |
| 04:38.31 | kergoth | well, i cant make the ban in here that wide, or poor neo wont be allowed in :) |
| 04:38.39 | kergoth | treke|home: k, thanks |
| 04:38.42 | treke|home | kergoth: ah! but neo is moving |
| 04:38.51 | kergoth | hehe, true that |
| 04:39.02 | andersee | betcha fishhead is like 10 years old and gets teased by his big sister |
| 04:42.39 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 04:42.58 | W8TVI | I pluged in the power to my Z and both lights came on |
| 04:43.34 | W8TVI | when I unplug the power cord the green light stays on |
| 04:43.51 | W8TVI | and the orange one goes out |
| 04:44.17 | W8TVI | the swich is on normal operation |
| 04:44.20 | treke|home | man I cant find this |
| 04:44.36 | treke|home | ggilbert@dreamland:~$ du -sh irclogs/OPN/ |
| 04:44.36 | treke|home | 163M irclogs/OPN |
| 04:44.53 | W8TVI | what should I try? |
| 04:46.36 | W8TVI | I hit the full reset button and now both lights are back out |
| 04:46.37 | treke|home | 22:12 <fishhead-> kergoth is going to be pissed when my host and ip expire in 2 days |
| 04:46.40 | treke|home | 22:12 <fishhead-> tough shit for him |
| 04:46.43 | treke|home | 22:15 <fishhead-> if he can find me |
| 04:46.45 | treke|home | 22:15 <fishhead-> good luck |
| 04:47.17 | Neo|Laptop | so weird, only one working computer and it's the laptop |
| 04:48.20 | ljp | well, all my machines are thousands of miles away, gathering dust |
| 04:50.32 | treke|home | kergoth: http://treke.net/fishhead |
| 04:52.06 | W8TVI | any ideas guys? |
| 04:53.56 | ljp | sounds like that guy needs a banning from the network. I'd let lilo know |
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| 05:03.53 | W8TVI | hey kergoth |
| 05:03.59 | W8TVI | any ideas? |
| 05:04.19 | W8TVI | when I pluged it in, both lights came on |
| 05:04.44 | W8TVI | and the green one stayed on even with it unpluged |
| 05:04.48 | kergoth | odd, the battery code doesnt touch the mail light to my knowledge |
| 05:05.01 | kergoth | whats the state of the lights if you full reset with ac in? |
| 05:05.05 | W8TVI | I tried a full reset, and the yboth went off and wont come back on |
| 05:05.19 | W8TVI | and it still wont turn on |
| 05:05.38 | W8TVI | I pulled the battery out just after tha |
| 05:05.40 | W8TVI | t |
| 05:06.03 | W8TVI | it had been sitting for about 24hours with the battery in, on the shelf |
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| 05:16.38 | W8TVI | wow |
| 05:16.45 | W8TVI | the battery is down to 3v |
| 05:16.57 | treke|home | kergoth: you ever message anyone about fishhead? |
| 05:17.56 | W8TVI | cool |
| 05:18.05 | W8TVI | the battery light and mail light is back on! |
| 05:18.56 | W8TVI | I wonder why the mail light came on like that |
| 05:21.17 | kergoth | bbl, gonna listen to some trance, read a book, and get some sleep |
| 05:21.28 | W8TVI | I took the 4.5 volt light out of my minimag, and put a load on the battery |
| 05:21.34 | W8TVI | wish me luck kergoth`zzz |
| 05:21.41 | kergoth`zzz | good luck, hope ya get it figured out |
| 05:21.48 | W8TVI | it seems to be charging |
| 05:21.53 | W8TVI | I'm going to leave it over night |
| 05:22.31 | W8TVI | the mail light stays on, but the charge light turns on and off with the pluging and unpluging of the ac cord |
| 05:23.05 | W8TVI | I'm kinda glad I was out bid... |
| 05:23.11 | W8TVI | maybe I wont need it now :) |
| 06:11.10 | prh | grrr |
| 06:11.17 | prh | still cant get buildroot to work! |
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| 06:23.05 | W8TVI | http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/kiddy_20muzzle#1061176710 |
| 06:23.36 | W8TVI | shift, Aug 16 2003 |
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| 07:41.17 | heatxsink | hello? |
| 07:41.21 | heatxsink | anyone awake? |
| 07:41.23 | heatxsink | hehe |
| 07:41.28 | heatxsink | is that server back up |
| 07:41.34 | heatxsink | i'd like to try and complie a image |
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| 08:46.33 | Twiun | morning pb_ |
| 08:46.49 | pb_ | hi twiun |
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| 08:48.34 | TCMAN | hi |
| 08:57.19 | Twiun | hey TCMAN |
| 08:57.27 | TCMAN | hey |
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| 09:30.49 | mithro | beep, how are people today? |
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| 10:18.51 | Twiun | just dandy, and you mithro |
| 10:18.54 | Twiun | ? |
| 10:20.37 | mithro | okay |
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| 10:27.01 | Harlekin | lo |
| 10:29.37 | Harlekin | mithro: now you can |
| 10:29.55 | mithro | can what? |
| 10:30.16 | Harlekin | get qpe-gaim into buildroot |
| 10:33.38 | mithro | ??? |
| 10:34.03 | mithro | qpe-gaim is in buildroot now? |
| 10:34.41 | Harlekin | i though you wanted to do that |
| 10:35.27 | mithro | o, i did but the person who does qpe-gaim doesn't want it atm... |
| 10:37.08 | Harlekin | thats not true |
| 10:37.09 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 10:37.40 | mithro | well he didn't at the time i asked him :) |
| 10:37.46 | Harlekin | 0.2 is out |
| 10:37.48 | mithro | he may have changed his mind by now... |
| 10:37.53 | Harlekin | and you can have a diff for gaim 0.67 |
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| 10:41.01 | mithro | [20:06] <mithro> qpe-gaim is in buildroot now? |
| 10:41.01 | mithro | [20:07] <Harlekin> i though you wanted to do that |
| 10:41.01 | mithro | [20:07] <mithro> o, i did but the person who does qpe-gaim doesn't want it atm... |
| 10:41.01 | mithro | [20:09] <Harlekin> thats not true |
| 10:41.01 | mithro | [20:09] <Harlekin> .-) |
| 10:41.03 | mithro | [20:09] <mithro> well he didn't at the time i asked him :) |
| 10:41.05 | mithro | [20:10] <Harlekin> 0.2 is out |
| 10:41.07 | mithro | [20:10] <mithro> he may have changed his mind by now... |
| 10:41.33 | pb_ | thanks for refreshing our memory there. |
| 10:41.57 | mithro | it was for ChipX86 |
| 10:42.03 | mithro | he is the main developer of qpe-gaim |
| 10:42.27 | ChipX86 | at this point, now that qpe-gaim and gaim releases will be released in sync, it's okay to put it in build-root |
| 10:42.39 | mithro | okay cool :) |
| 10:42.42 | ChipX86 | it'll also be far less hacky sometime around gaim 0.70, when we have it fully split and provide a separate libgaim tarball |
| 10:42.46 | mithro | I'll do that sometime this week... |
| 10:44.42 | mithro | ChipX86: thanks for creating a cool product :) |
| 10:44.59 | ChipX86 | I'm just glad it was met with good responses :) |
| 10:45.02 | ChipX86 | yeah, I'd like that |
| 10:45.12 | ChipX86 | I'll post whichever ones up on the site that you don't mind having publically available |
| 10:46.11 | mithro | he he, i have like 3 contacts on my list :) still useful none the less |
| 10:46.24 | Harlekin | mithro: uin? |
| 10:46.40 | mithro | i'm a IRC hack :) |
| 10:47.05 | mithro | it's my prefered communication method (IRC) |
| 10:47.46 | mithro | -> 261577545 for anyone intrested |
| 10:48.17 | mithro | gaim could do with some IRC work, but i don't have any time to help out with that.... |
| 10:48.43 | ChipX86 | nod.. the thing is that we're core/UI split, so the protocol can't modify the UI |
| 10:48.46 | ChipX86 | we're working on some ideas though |
| 10:48.52 | ChipX86 | but we have a lot on our plate at the moment |
| 10:50.42 | mithro | Harlekin: what do you think about putting up a small reward for stuff i would like done? |
| 10:51.12 | Harlekin | ? |
| 10:54.08 | mithro | monetary ie $ for people who complete things i need (in regard to the C7x0) |
| 10:54.35 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 10:54.38 | Harlekin | do that |
| 10:54.54 | ChipX86 | g'night everyone. I'll be around tomorrow (later today now, I guess) if you have any questions |
| 10:55.31 | mithro | can't offer much :) but i thought it could be intresting |
| 10:56.00 | mithro | i don't have the skills/time to do it so i though it would be a good idea to put money where my mouth is :) |
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| 11:01.40 | mithro | so you think it would be a good idea? |
| 11:02.35 | mithro | anyone have a wellenreiter compiled with gcc 3.3? |
| 11:10.43 | mithro | where do you think i should annouce these "rewards" |
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| 11:20.13 | mithro | net split |
| 11:27.13 | Twiun | mithro: not too sure, could try the opie/oz dev lists or maybe the zaurus dev forums |
| 11:28.35 | mithro | Harlekin/Twiun: okay i'll write up a proposal, would you mind checking them? |
| 11:28.44 | Harlekin | k |
| 11:28.47 | Twiun | sure |
| 11:29.03 | mithro | okay i'll do that tommorrow |
| 11:29.05 | mithro | see ya then |
| 11:29.12 | mithro | i'm off to bed |
| 11:29.15 | mithro | gnight |
| 11:29.16 | Twiun | see ya |
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| 12:23.01 | Speedy2 | Yo all |
| 12:23.06 | Speedy2 | Hey Phil |
| 12:41.11 | chouimat | morning |
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| 12:45.25 | TOM_STZ | what system do u use for embedded ??? |
| 12:45.32 | TOM_STZ | 8051 intel ?? |
| 12:47.01 | Speedy2 | TOM_STZ: Well people here develop for RISC microprocessors |
| 12:47.04 | Speedy2 | (effectively) |
| 12:47.21 | Speedy2 | www.openzaurus.org to get an idea of one of the projects under the "umbrella" of OpenEmbedded |
| 12:47.27 | TOM_STZ | lol |
| 12:47.31 | TOM_STZ | ok |
| 12:47.42 | Speedy2 | TOM_STZ: But I personally use Atmel AVRs...8051 suck! |
| 12:47.51 | TOM_STZ | yeah |
| 12:48.15 | Speedy2 | What about you? |
| 12:48.24 | TOM_STZ | i'm in the second year of my electronic enginner university in brazil |
| 12:48.45 | TOM_STZ | but i'm studying by myself 8051 |
| 12:49.07 | Speedy2 | I see |
| 12:49.16 | TOM_STZ | i just can get the timer/counter idea .... |
| 12:49.21 | TOM_STZ | i'll xplain |
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| 12:49.59 | Speedy2 | Can or can't ? |
| 12:50.04 | TOM_STZ | what is the timer/counter in 8051 and what is used for, if i can make a rountine of time by software ???? |
| 12:50.11 | TOM_STZ | i can't |
| 12:50.36 | Speedy2 | Timer/counters are used for LOTS of things |
| 12:50.40 | Speedy2 | I'll give a few examples. |
| 12:50.52 | Speedy2 | One can be used to keep track of time (hours, minutes, seconds, microseconds) |
| 12:50.57 | Speedy2 | So you could build a clock |
| 12:51.15 | Speedy2 | The idea is: The timer will be loaded with some decimal value (say 65,535, 16-bit counter) |
| 12:51.44 | Speedy2 | It will count down (it could count up too), when it = 0 , we know that 65,536 system "clocks" or "ticks" will have gone by |
| 12:51.54 | Speedy2 | If we know how much time there is in a tick, we can keep track of time |
| 12:52.52 | Speedy2 | If the system clock were 32,768 Hz, after 32768 ticks, one second will have elapsed |
| 12:52.52 | TOM_STZ | when he is going to count ???? |
| 12:52.56 | Speedy2 | The counter? |
| 12:53.12 | TOM_STZ | the timer |
| 12:53.12 | Speedy2 | Usually the counter can be enabled/disabled/reset by a software instruction |
| 12:53.32 | Speedy2 | In otherwords, the counter/timer is under YOUR control. |
| 12:53.40 | Speedy2 | (usually, it depends specifically on the microcontroller) |
| 12:54.27 | TOM_STZ | i mean ... timers is used to count by a hardware interruption (for example a button) and give a P0.1 a 1 logic state for example ????? |
| 12:54.57 | TOM_STZ | am i right ??? |
| 12:55.02 | Speedy2 | I'm trying to understand |
| 12:55.09 | Speedy2 | You could setup the timer to run/stop by pressing a button |
| 12:55.17 | Speedy2 | p0.1 is something specific to the 8051. |
| 12:55.32 | Speedy2 | Are you trying to "debounce" a key? |
| 12:56.26 | TOM_STZ | i'm trying to receive a hardware signal and send a hardware signal, but with a delay from the timer_8051 |
| 12:57.11 | Speedy2 | Ok |
| 12:57.19 | Speedy2 | You can use a timer for that. How much delay do you need? |
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| 12:57.39 | TOM_STZ | maybe 10 seconds |
| 12:57.50 | Speedy2 | That is quite a bit of time |
| 12:57.56 | Speedy2 | Here is what you have to do. |
| 12:58.13 | Speedy2 | What is the frequency that clocks the counter? |
| 12:58.17 | TOM_STZ | but th timer is quite fast |
| 12:58.24 | TOM_STZ | 12Mhz |
| 12:58.39 | Speedy2 | Usually timers also have a prescalar...does this one? |
| 12:58.56 | TOM_STZ | what is prescalar ?? |
| 13:00.06 | Speedy2 | Prscalar divides down the clock by some number (usually by 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, etc) |
| 13:00.16 | Speedy2 | A prescalar divides down... |
| 13:00.58 | TOM_STZ | is the crystal ?? |
| 13:02.00 | Speedy2 | No, it's a digital circuit (clock divider) that sits in front of the clock input to the counter/timer |
| 13:02.20 | TOM_STZ | i think it s32 |
| 13:02.29 | TOM_STZ | i think it's 32 |
| 13:02.58 | Speedy2 | Ok, so that helps some. 12Mhz / 32 = 375 kHz |
| 13:03.37 | Speedy2 | So you need to delay for 10 seconds, right? |
| 13:03.58 | TOM_STZ | yes |
| 13:04.07 | Speedy2 | Does it have to be exactly 10 second? |
| 13:04.19 | TOM_STZ | yes |
| 13:04.40 | Speedy2 | Do you have a data sheet for the 8051 you are working on? |
| 13:04.45 | Speedy2 | Which 8051 part are you using? |
| 13:04.46 | TOM_STZ | yes |
| 13:05.18 | TOM_STZ | how that part ??? |
| 13:05.28 | Speedy2 | Which 8051 are you using? |
| 13:05.42 | Speedy2 | What brand/model/type? Let me find the part and look at the data sheet so I can help you. |
| 13:06.28 | TOM_STZ | i don't know this information |
| 13:07.01 | Speedy2 | argh |
| 13:07.05 | Speedy2 | WHAT 8051 are you using? |
| 13:07.13 | Speedy2 | You have a data sheet? What does it say on it? |
| 13:07.27 | Speedy2 | Philips 8051, Dallas Semi 8051, what brand/model/type? |
| 13:07.42 | TOM_STZ | do u whant o know the pins ???? because my atmel is at the university |
| 13:08.12 | Speedy2 | Is it an Atmel brand 8051? |
| 13:08.17 | TOM_STZ | yes |
| 13:08.23 | Speedy2 | Do you know what MODEL? |
| 13:08.27 | yeiazel | :) |
| 13:08.30 | TOM_STZ | wait a bit |
| 13:08.35 | yeiazel | round 1 |
| 13:08.37 | yeiazel | fight ! |
| 13:08.43 | Speedy2 | Heh. |
| 13:08.49 | Speedy2 | I swear I'm trying to help this guy |
| 13:09.27 | TOM_STZ | wait a bit guys |
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| 13:10.13 | Speedy2 | http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/param_table.asp?family_id=604&OrderBy=part_no&Direction=ASC |
| 13:10.15 | Speedy2 | Atmel makes many 8051s |
| 13:10.20 | Speedy2 | You'll need to tell me which one you are using. |
| 13:10.31 | TOM_STZ | AT89C51 |
| 13:11.11 | Speedy2 | Thank you. Now let me look at it |
| 13:14.59 | Speedy2 | 1:44 seconds to get the manual, hold on |
| 13:15.47 | Speedy2 | TOM_STZ: In the mean time, look at this: http://www.rotgradpsi.de/mc/gadget/teatimer.html |
| 13:16.19 | Speedy2 | You'll effectively do the same thing |
| 13:16.26 | Speedy2 | Each time the counter rolls over, you'll keep track of it |
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| 13:16.31 | Speedy2 | Until 10 seconds have gone by |
| 13:17.01 | Speedy2 | The tricky part is the clock frequencies -- 32,768 Hz / 2^15 = 1 Hz |
| 13:18.58 | TOM_STZ | ok |
| 13:20.50 | TOM_STZ | yhanks |
| 13:21.36 | Speedy2 | But here's the basic idea: The counter is clocked by a frequency (say its 32 768Hz). If it's a 16-bit counter, it will overflow every 2 seconds. |
| 13:22.13 | Speedy2 | Because it will take 65536 clock events to get it to reset and the clock is 32768 Hz, so 65536/32768Hz = 2 seconds |
| 13:22.29 | Speedy2 | Your software needs to keep track of the overflow |
| 13:22.56 | Speedy2 | Each time it overflows, have some variable ("total_time") increase. So the first time it will go 0 --> 2 seconds, second time 2 --> 4 seconds |
| 13:23.11 | Speedy2 | Each time your variable total_time increases you check and see if the value is equal to 10 seconds |
| 13:23.31 | Speedy2 | If it's true, set p0.1 (I think that was the bit you wanted) and set "total_time" equal to 0 to start the process over again. |
| 13:24.31 | Speedy2 | The only nitty, gritty part in your situation is that your clock frequency may not be an even power of 2 (i.e. 32768, 65536) |
| 13:24.43 | Speedy2 | Do you understand? |
| 13:26.15 | TOM_STZ | yes |
| 13:26.25 | Speedy2 | Are you feeling less confused? |
| 13:26.53 | TOM_STZ | now i get the idea |
| 13:26.55 | Speedy2 | BTW: Here is the Intel site where you can get some documentation on the 8051: http://www.intel.com/design/mcs51/docs_mcs51.htm |
| 13:27.55 | Speedy2 | It's not so complicated :) |
| 13:28.01 | TOM_STZ | yeah |
| 13:28.02 | Speedy2 | But, it's tricky to actually implement. |
| 13:28.47 | Speedy2 | Just keep in mind your counter always keeps track of "ticks" or "clocks". So you have to factor that into your artihmatic (i.e. what does "total_time" have to equal before you set p0.1) |
| 13:30.55 | TOM_STZ | i would like to write something in my lcd 2x16... do you know how does it works ???? Its a HD44780 based lcd |
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| 13:31.23 | TOM_STZ | i'd like to write hello_world in it |
| 13:32.37 | Speedy2 | I've used the 44780 LCDs before |
| 13:32.50 | Speedy2 | They're not too complicated, but it takes time to work with them. |
| 13:33.13 | Speedy2 | There are two physical interfacing modes: 4-bit parallel and 8-bit parallel |
| 13:33.20 | Speedy2 | Do you have good documentation for the 44780? |
| 13:33.30 | Speedy2 | People have all done this before, you might be able to go find some code |
| 13:33.38 | Speedy2 | i.e. www.google.com 8051 44780 |
| 13:34.06 | TOM_STZ | ok |
| 13:35.31 | Speedy2 | http://www.noise.physx.u-szeged.hu/DigitalMeasurements/Interface/LCD%5Clcd2.htm |
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| 13:35.46 | Speedy2 | http://www.myke.com/lcd.htm |
| 13:36.10 | Speedy2 | http://www.8052.com/tutlcd.phtml |
| 13:36.15 | Speedy2 | As you can there, there are plenty of hits : |
| 13:36.16 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 13:43.25 | TOM_STZ | thanks very much.... i'll be in contact later ... |
| 13:43.37 | TOM_STZ | i'm studyng more |
| 13:44.12 | Speedy2 | Ok, good luck! |
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| 15:28.12 | Twiun | finally booked my SCJP exam |
| 15:36.28 | pb_ | what's one of those? |
| 15:36.51 | Twiun | Sun Certified Java Programmer |
| 15:36.58 | pb_ | aha |
| 15:37.02 | Twiun | 2pm tomorrow near Bank |
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| 15:39.09 | pb_ | cool |
| 15:39.37 | treke | mornin pb |
| 15:47.31 | Twiun | hey treke |
| 15:48.27 | pb_ | yo treke |
| 16:09.16 | treke | pb_: You ever considered setting up a gpe unstable feed outside of familiar unstable? |
| 16:12.22 | pb_ | treke: Yeah, in fact I have been thinking about that quite a lot of late. |
| 16:12.54 | treke | Installed familiar, tried upgrading to unstable to get a more recent gpe, bam, reflash time :p |
| 16:13.10 | pb_ | heh. |
| 16:13.25 | pb_ | Normally I recommend people to just reflash with an unstable image rather than trying to upgrade. |
| 16:13.39 | pb_ | There are a variety of bad issues around busybox and matchbox that will bite you on upgrades from 0.7. |
| 16:13.40 | treke | there are unstable images now? |
| 16:13.47 | pb_ | http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/ |
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| 16:30.43 | kergoth`zzz | startx -> signal 11 -> /me sighs |
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| 16:54.21 | treke | mornin bipolar_ |
| 16:55.29 | bipolar_ | treke: hiya |
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| 18:21.18 | treke | pb_: Another gpe suggestion, mallum worked ok/cancel buttons into matchbox, have you considered using them instead of wasting dialog space on them? |
| 18:21.40 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 18:21.56 | pb_ | treke: Yeah, but I always hated the way qtopia put that stuff in the titlebar. |
| 18:22.03 | treke | hehe |
| 18:22.23 | kergoth | it is pretty space efficient though. |
| 18:22.26 | kergoth | can see why they did it |
| 18:22.39 | treke | yup |
| 18:22.49 | treke | maybe the toolbar instead |
| 18:22.58 | treke | then you could dump the titlebar :p |
| 18:23.37 | Harlekin | treke: thats what sandman planed |
| 18:23.39 | treke | only problem is then you become tied to matchbox |
| 18:23.49 | treke | which would would be a pain |
| 18:24.23 | pb_ | yeah, indeed. the simpad people don't use matchbox. |
| 18:25.33 | pb_ | One could maybe have a style property for GtkDialog to say whether to use OK/Cancel buttons in the toolbar, but I'm not personally convinced it would be worth the effort. Of course, anybody else who wants to implement it is welcome to do so :-) |
| 18:27.04 | kergoth | hrm |
| 18:27.30 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 18:39.04 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
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| 18:47.47 | chouimat | kergoth: sorry was busy packing some clothes for 2 weeks |
| 18:48.47 | pb_ | wow, must have been a lot of clothes. |
| 18:50.10 | chouimat | pb_: yup the bag is huge ... and I need to go out buy some razor blade |
| 18:51.11 | treke | shaving is overrated |
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| 19:50.06 | schurig | /msg ibot help |
| 19:50.17 | pb_ | good advice. |
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| 20:18.59 | schurig | Silent night ... (maybe there's still a black out over there) |
| 20:20.51 | pb_ | heh |
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| 20:23.26 | andreas_gi | yes, and cant connect to www.boa.org, so opensimpad compile waits (for to 2 days now) ..... |
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| 20:36.27 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup anoncvs.xfree86.org |
| 20:43.32 | mewyn | hey kergoth |
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| 21:03.04 | Harlekin | moin chip |
| 21:03.32 | ChipX86 | morning |
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| 21:09.21 | ljp | hi |
| 21:09.41 | ChipX86 | hi ljp |
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| 21:41.27 | hsink | is that sever that holds all of the source up and running? |
| 21:51.00 | kergoth | what? |
| 21:51.49 | ljp | ya. my sever is running. ;) |
| 21:51.55 | ljp | server |
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| 22:20.46 | TCMAN | hi |
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