| 00:01.11 | Speedy2 | I wonder how tough it would be to emulate PPC 2003 on a Z or iPaq running Linux |
| 00:01.22 | Masticator | I answered it more truthfully and got Agent Smith... |
| 00:03.50 | chouimat | Masticator: I did it a second time and I'm John Sheridan |
| 00:05.57 | fishhead | must bite canucks |
| 00:06.11 | *** kick/#openembedded [fishhead!~dieu@static-89-76.dsl.tht.net] by chouimat (My Balls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) |
| 00:06.11 | *** join/#openembedded fishhead (~wow@12-227-17-69.client.attbi.com) |
| 00:06.17 | fishhead | uhh |
| 00:06.20 | fishhead | not that kinda bite |
| 00:07.49 | fishhead | I am off my meds and I feel like shit |
| 00:07.58 | fishhead | I am not going to survive this next week :( |
| 00:10.10 | Masticator | oh my god. |
| 00:10.14 | Masticator | http://www.ralphiemay.com/ |
| 00:10.28 | *** join/#openembedded LV|off (~lordvan@62.218.218.165) |
| 00:12.00 | chouimat | Masticator: I'm now sick and I won't be able to eat my diner |
| 00:12.17 | gb2 | fishhead: you coul djust acce3pt that no network really wants you |
| 00:13.55 | fishhead | gb2 and you could mind your own business |
| 00:14.06 | chouimat | gb2: you'rre asking too much |
| 00:15.17 | gb2 | chouimatt: probaalby |
| 00:15.23 | gb2 | fishhead: heh |
| 00:17.38 | gb2 | fishhead: what happened to following throguh on your threats? |
| 00:17.40 | gb2 | hmmm? |
| 00:18.25 | gb2 | what happened to everything you could legally do, hmm? |
| 00:18.32 | gb2 | fishhead: |
| 00:18.36 | gb2 | <jmr> tell him I want to know where our new users are |
| 00:18.40 | gb2 | <jmr> tell him I have been waiting |
| 00:18.43 | gb2 | hmm? |
| 00:19.15 | fishhead | gb2 who said the plan isn't already in the works |
| 00:19.26 | gb2 | haha, all talk |
| 00:19.30 | gb2 | -all- talk |
| 00:19.50 | gb2 | fishhead: jmr says, "excellent" |
| 00:20.16 | fishhead | I really don't care what you and your merry band of cocksuckers have to say |
| 00:20.29 | treke | chouimat: would you do the honors? |
| 00:20.32 | gb2 | heh |
| 00:20.34 | fishhead | but I have had plenty of say of telling every newbie linux channel all about your wonderful network |
| 00:20.47 | *** kick/#openembedded [fishhead!~dieu@static-89-76.dsl.tht.net] by chouimat (ASSSHOLE) |
| 00:20.48 | *** join/#openembedded fishhead (~wow@12-227-17-69.client.attbi.com) |
| 00:20.50 | gb2 | fishhead: oh we've noticed. |
| 00:21.02 | gb2 | we've noticed all ZERO users you've brought us |
| 00:21.03 | treke | chouimat: you missed part of it |
| 00:21.12 | *** mode/#openembedded [+b *!*@12-227-17-69.client.attbi.com] by chouimat |
| 00:21.19 | *** kick/#openembedded [fishhead!~dieu@static-89-76.dsl.tht.net] by chouimat (My Balls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) |
| 00:21.23 | gb2 | well. |
| 00:21.25 | gb2 | that sure lasted long |
| 00:21.48 | chouimat | sorry was watching the girls next door in the swimming pool |
| 00:22.03 | treke | you are forgiven |
| 00:22.05 | gb2 | i'm sorry if i made a little of a mess. fishhead is the mortal enemy of another irc network i'm an admin of. |
| 00:22.18 | treke | fishhead is an asshole |
| 00:22.22 | gb2 | indeed |
| 00:22.31 | gb2 | he declared war on us ;) |
| 00:22.36 | gb2 | then never followed through |
| 00:22.46 | gb2 | we weren't all that impressed |
| 00:22.56 | treke | yeah. I think he threatened to make me wish I was dead a couple weeks ago |
| 00:22.56 | chouimat | now he's spamming me in privtmsg |
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| 00:23.11 | gb2 | i'm surprised he isn't msging me |
| 00:23.14 | Masticator | kickban his ass if he comes back |
| 00:23.16 | gb2 | mark: he left |
| 00:23.27 | treke | Masticator: this is the third time he's been kickbanned |
| 00:23.39 | treke | fucking dynamic ips |
| 00:23.41 | gb2 | wow |
| 00:23.46 | gb2 | kickbanning really takes me back |
| 00:24.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:24.32 | chouimat | if he's life is miserable why he want make ours that too |
| 00:24.35 | kergoth | was wondering how long itd take before someone banned him again |
| 00:25.00 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm planning my trip to prague next week soo I'm busy too |
| 00:25.03 | Neo|Work | Masticator: app development for the same device kergoth is working with |
| 00:26.04 | kergoth | god i'm _so_ close to finishing this |
| 00:26.07 | kergoth | been hacking on it all day |
| 00:26.08 | kergoth | hrm |
| 00:26.16 | chouimat | Masticator: and btw the Young's Double Chocolate Stout is very very good |
| 00:26.43 | gb2 | i was planning on fixing the c760 keymap this evening |
| 00:27.21 | gb2 | i think the free beer after work and this pile of cider is going to make that not happen though unfortunately. |
| 00:27.40 | Neo|Work | Masticator: haha. I'm Kosh |
| 00:27.42 | Neo|Work | how suitable |
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| 00:29.53 | kergoth | Calibration constants: -65536 0 -57933824 -6 0 -4980740 65536 |
| 00:29.53 | kergoth | sanity checking fb:50,50 ts:1087,3041 |
| 00:29.53 | kergoth | post-linear: -1971,-76 |
| 00:29.54 | kergoth | gah! |
| 00:30.02 | kergoth | i am _not_ at x coordinate -1971 |
| 00:30.05 | kergoth | damnit. |
| 00:30.29 | chouimat | kergoth: hehe |
| 00:30.52 | chouimat | *fishhead* assholes like your kind really do owe your lives to the laws against murder |
| 00:30.58 | chouimat | I just got that |
| 00:31.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:31.06 | gb2 | he said the same thing to me |
| 00:31.07 | kergoth | he's said that like 3 times in the past 3 weeks |
| 00:31.11 | kergoth | he really needs to get new material |
| 00:31.15 | kergoth | gets boring. |
| 00:31.19 | gb2 | he told that to several of us admins on the other network i spoke of |
| 00:31.41 | chouimat | *chouimat* can you please update your repertoire |
| 00:31.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:32.46 | treke | STUPID CANUCK |
| 00:32.50 | aman | ugh |
| 00:32.55 | aman | he is so annoying |
| 00:32.56 | chouimat | *fishhead* that's the true |
| 00:32.59 | kergoth | idiocy is amusing. |
| 00:33.00 | aman | i thought he was banned |
| 00:33.04 | treke | aman: dynamic ip |
| 00:33.15 | kergoth | yeah, ban probably wasnt wide enough |
| 00:33.18 | chouimat | aman: he's spamming me now in privatemsg |
| 00:33.26 | treke | kergoth: any wider and you ban Neo|Work |
| 00:33.30 | kergoth | chouimat: if you ban him, use chanserv. i'd rather have it as an autokick than a +b mode continuously. |
| 00:33.33 | kergoth | treke: yeah |
| 00:33.34 | treke | which isnt necesarrily a bad thing :) |
| 00:33.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:34.00 | aman | i remember he threatened to kill me last time i banned him |
| 00:34.04 | kergoth | treke: what window manager are you using atm? ion or flux? |
| 00:34.12 | kergoth | aman: yeah, he does that fairly often. |
| 00:34.18 | chouimat | kergoth: I don't know how to use ChanServ so I will let you handle this |
| 00:34.20 | treke | kergoth: openbox atm |
| 00:34.22 | Neo|Work | indeed.. comcast is pretty big. :P |
| 00:34.22 | kergoth | chouimat: k |
| 00:34.27 | kergoth | treke: hows openbox compare to flux & black? |
| 00:34.39 | Neo|Work | so my motel hotel thingie has free broadband internet at least |
| 00:34.50 | treke | kergoth: It's much more like blackbox than fluxbox |
| 00:34.56 | kergoth | hmm, /me subscribes to embedded.com's newsletter |
| 00:34.57 | chouimat | ok next time he's spamming me I will ask the last time he get laid |
| 00:34.58 | ljp | groovey |
| 00:35.14 | treke | kergoth: basically blackbox + a couple eye candy features + netwm support |
| 00:35.28 | treke | except openbox3, which is completly different |
| 00:35.42 | kergoth | different good, or different bad? |
| 00:35.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:35.50 | treke | kergoth: I think different bad |
| 00:35.53 | Neo|Work | I think it's time to zap this box's partition table |
| 00:35.59 | chouimat | ok |
| 00:36.07 | Neo|Work | no way in hell I'm leaving my box with 4 years of data |
| 00:36.08 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 00:36.21 | treke | kergoth: Author completly rewrote it from scratch in c. No dual-head support. |
| 00:36.28 | treke | no toolbar |
| 00:36.28 | kergoth | .. rewrote in c? |
| 00:36.30 | kergoth | for what? |
| 00:36.31 | Neo|Work | bye guys, Neo|Work will never again be on from RNWK |
| 00:36.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:36.36 | kergoth | later neo |
| 00:36.39 | treke | kergoth: He liked c more |
| 00:36.49 | treke | it supposedly uses opengl for rendering |
| 00:36.49 | Neo|Work | ciao |
| 00:36.53 | kergoth | oh that makes a lot of sense. personal prefernece rather than capability |
| 00:37.02 | kergoth | ah well |
| 00:37.12 | kergoth | although, E is in C, and e17 is pretty bad ass |
| 00:37.16 | kergoth | though itll probably never release |
| 00:37.19 | kergoth | *sniff* |
| 00:37.30 | treke | e16 was also in C |
| 00:37.42 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:37.55 | kergoth | raster likes implementing object oriented stuff in c |
| 00:38.02 | treke | http://icculus.org/openbox/ |
| 00:38.28 | treke | Getting rid of non-opaque window move/resize. Instead, add an option - drawContents - for if the window's contents are to be updated during a resize. <--- ow ow ow |
| 00:38.51 | kergoth | ehhh |
| 00:38.56 | kergoth | thatll blow on old machines |
| 00:38.59 | treke | yup |
| 00:39.12 | treke | opaque window resizing is slow as hell on my home machines second display |
| 00:39.14 | kergoth | shit, i have it disabled on this box just so it feels quick |
| 00:39.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:40.13 | treke | I'm looking forward to blackbox 0.70 |
| 00:41.10 | treke | sean perry was doing a decent job on maintenance, and brad hughes is working on it again |
| 00:42.26 | kergoth | WORK BETTER! |
| 00:43.25 | Speedy2 | Where do you guys buy your DVDs from? I'm trying to get Johnny Bravo on DVD for a friend, as a gift. |
| 00:44.52 | ljp | hoo haaaq! make -j 20 is fun!! |
| 00:45.04 | kergoth | erm, does c support operator overloading, or just c++? |
| 00:45.14 | kergoth | i need to order a copy of k&r since i lost my old one |
| 00:45.55 | treke | wouldnt you be better off getting a copy of the ansi c standard? :p |
| 00:46.00 | andersee | kergoth: c++ only |
| 00:46.13 | andersee | kergoth: no operator overloading in c |
| 00:46.26 | treke | if you think about it, there isnt all that much to overload in c |
| 00:47.01 | kergoth | man |
| 00:47.15 | kergoth | operator overloading would make using this fixed point implementation less of a pain in the ass |
| 00:47.26 | kergoth | andersee: good point, guess a fixedpt float lib would work best |
| 00:47.29 | andersee | kergoth: what are you making |
| 00:47.32 | andersee | ? |
| 00:47.39 | kergoth | but how would you handle the change in available range? |
| 00:47.43 | kergoth | nah, i'm not that ambitious |
| 00:47.44 | andersee | Which fixedpt lib you using? |
| 00:47.49 | kergoth | andersee: touchscreen calibration in bootloader space. |
| 00:47.53 | andersee | ahh |
| 00:47.57 | andersee | gotcha |
| 00:48.05 | kergoth | so no float or float emu, gotta use fixed |
| 00:48.10 | kergoth | and its not cooperating |
| 00:48.14 | kergoth | somethign i'm doing wrong no doubt. |
| 00:48.31 | andersee | kergoth: -msoft-float would work in bootloader space |
| 00:48.42 | kergoth | yeah i know |
| 00:48.55 | kergoth | have an open float lib handy? |
| 00:49.00 | andersee | unless you are morally opposed to doing things the easy way |
| 00:49.01 | kergoth | thatd be a cheap and easy solution i suppose |
| 00:49.02 | andersee | :-) |
| 00:49.16 | andersee | open float lib? |
| 00:49.23 | kergoth | well, i dont mind doing it this way since i become more familiar with how fixed pt works |
| 00:49.28 | kergoth | s/open/gpl or lgpl/ |
| 00:49.32 | kergoth | "free" |
| 00:49.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:50.45 | andersee | kergoth: the one I pointed you to the other day is LGPL: ftp://ftp.isoar.ca/users/a/andrewm/math |
| 00:51.50 | andersee | libtommath would also work, though you don't really need the bignum stuff: http://math.libtomcrypt.org/ |
| 00:52.33 | andersee | libtommath is under a do whatever you want with it type licence |
| 00:52.39 | kergoth | grr, stupid http proxy is screwing with my connectivity |
| 00:54.15 | chouimat | *fishhead* mabye I will find a way to help sco just to spite you |
| 00:54.55 | andersee | ~lart chouimat for even thinking of helping sco |
| 00:56.21 | treke | someone want to finish my online traffic school for me? I'm bored :p |
| 00:56.23 | chouimat | andersee: it'ss nnot me it's from fishhead |
| 00:57.58 | andersee | ~lart fishhead for being a jerk |
| 00:58.25 | chouimat | is there a way to completely ban hiim from the network? |
| 00:58.29 | TCMAN | treke: you got yourself into traffic school ? |
| 00:59.08 | treke | TCMAN: beats insurance increases ":) |
| 00:59.45 | TCMAN | treke: thats great, lucky for you :) |
| 01:01.00 | chouimat | treke: speed? |
| 01:01.06 | TCMAN | treke: you had accident, right ? |
| 01:01.11 | treke | TCMAN: speeding. |
| 01:01.14 | treke | chouimat: 75 |
| 01:01.38 | chouimat | miles ? |
| 01:01.42 | treke | yeah. pathetic I know |
| 01:01.50 | TCMAN | lately somebody here had accident |
| 01:02.03 | TCMAN | treke: 75 in what zone ? 25 ? |
| 01:02.07 | treke | 65 |
| 01:02.29 | TCMAN | thats not bad, on highway ? |
| 01:02.40 | treke | yup. Damn cop |
| 01:02.47 | andersee | treke: everygody drive 75 in 65 zones |
| 01:02.54 | TCMAN | everyone goes 75 or more on highway |
| 01:02.58 | treke | andersee: Obviously |
| 01:03.16 | TCMAN | treke: do you have riced up car ? |
| 01:03.26 | treke | andersee: Which is why I was going 75 :) The giant ass hole with the radar gun didnt see things that way |
| 01:03.34 | treke | TCMAN: nope. 94 Ford explorer. |
| 01:03.45 | treke | Stock everything. |
| 01:03.59 | TCMAN | treke: well, maybe he didnt make his quota then |
| 01:04.04 | treke | pretty much |
| 01:05.51 | TCMAN | treke: that sucks, you had bad luck |
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| 01:13.22 | W8TVI | I made a external battery pack, and I think some how it messed up the charging circuit |
| 01:14.02 | W8TVI | and I did hook it up right |
| 01:15.16 | TCMAN | W8TVI pictures ? |
| 01:15.46 | TCMAN | i think charging circuit may be quite sensitive to voltage level |
| 01:16.04 | TCMAN | good external battery packs have voltage regulator |
| 01:16.44 | W8TVI | I used 4AA NiMH batterys |
| 01:17.23 | TCMAN | thats about 4.8v |
| 01:17.25 | W8TVI | made it from parts I got at RAdio Shack |
| 01:17.36 | W8TVI | it'd be 5v |
| 01:17.43 | TCMAN | z needs 5v for charging, probably |
| 01:17.52 | TCMAN | nimh are 1.2v |
| 01:17.59 | W8TVI | and it even showed 5v on a multimeter |
| 01:18.19 | TCMAN | maybe its less under load |
| 01:18.33 | TCMAN | measure it while its connected |
| 01:18.44 | W8TVI | and these batteries are 1.8A |
| 01:19.23 | W8TVI | we checked with an amp meter and it was only pulling .07A from the pack |
| 01:20.04 | TCMAN | btw why are you saying it messed up charging circuit ? |
| 01:20.28 | W8TVI | the charge light wont come on |
| 01:21.00 | TCMAN | maybe its fully charged |
| 01:21.16 | TCMAN | or remove battery and insert it again |
| 01:21.32 | W8TVI | it shows the voltage on the battery is at 3.82v |
| 01:21.56 | W8TVI | and I have taken it out and put it back in about 10 times by now |
| 01:22.04 | TCMAN | battery should be 3.7 or something |
| 01:22.28 | W8TVI | I'm going to take the it 5500 apart and put it back together |
| 01:22.32 | W8TVI | that should fix it |
| 01:22.34 | W8TVI | lol |
| 01:23.03 | Speedy2 | What are you trying to do? |
| 01:23.08 | TCMAN | my battery is 3.91 |
| 01:23.15 | Speedy2 | That's "unloaded" |
| 01:23.23 | Speedy2 | Put a resistor like a 1kohm across it and measure |
| 01:23.24 | Speedy2 | It'll drop |
| 01:23.29 | Speedy2 | You're measuring surface charge |
| 01:23.35 | Speedy2 | The battery is rated for 3.7V |
| 01:23.37 | W8TVI | trying to get it to trun on or charge or something |
| 01:23.40 | TCMAN | you are not true geek if you dont have digital multimeter in your backpack |
| 01:23.42 | TCMAN | :))) |
| 01:24.01 | Speedy2 | It has a switching power supply inside |
| 01:24.09 | Speedy2 | The voltage can fall within a range and it'll work fine |
| 01:24.42 | Speedy2 | The software may not enable the charging however if the external voltage isn't 6V or something |
| 01:24.43 | TCMAN | i still dont get what is the middle connector for in the battery |
| 01:24.50 | Speedy2 | Temperature sense |
| 01:24.56 | Speedy2 | It's a "thermistor" |
| 01:25.04 | Speedy2 | A resistor who's resistance changes with temep |
| 01:25.22 | Speedy2 | temp. It's used as a saftey, if the battery gets to hot the charging circuitry should disbale charge. |
| 01:25.39 | TCMAN | i use 5v casio power supply with my Z and it charges ok |
| 01:25.58 | chouimat | *fishhead* idiot |
| 01:26.04 | Speedy2 | Cool TCMAN |
| 01:26.18 | chouimat | can we ban him from the network? |
| 01:26.34 | TCMAN | Speedy2: thanks, so its not that important ? |
| 01:26.55 | Speedy2 | Well...you should put as close to 6V has possible |
| 01:27.02 | Speedy2 | I think that's the rating on the external power supply |
| 01:27.11 | W8TVI | nope |
| 01:27.14 | W8TVI | its 6v |
| 01:27.15 | Speedy2 | But less than 6V will work, probably upto like 4.5V or something |
| 01:27.16 | W8TVI | er |
| 01:27.18 | W8TVI | 5v |
| 01:27.29 | kergoth | chouimat: dunno, can you get booted from freenode for threats against people's lives? |
| 01:27.37 | Speedy2 | Ok, so get as close to 5V as possible. It should work fine from as low as 4.5V |
| 01:27.50 | Speedy2 | And as high as 6V |
| 01:28.13 | W8TVI | Speedy2, it does |
| 01:28.18 | chouimat | kergoth: he was shitting on me in #kde-devel |
| 01:28.40 | kergoth | chouimat: dunno, maybe ask lilo what can be done about his continual abuse. |
| 01:28.59 | TCMAN | kergoth do you have /ignore in your irc client ? |
| 01:29.16 | kergoth | TCMAN: yes, but i'm getting tired of banning him from the channels i'm on. |
| 01:30.39 | TCMAN | #pragma message("TODO: object tesselation") |
| 01:30.44 | TCMAN | i guess that doesnt work :) |
| 01:30.56 | TCMAN | shit |
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| 01:37.09 | chouimat | kergoth: I have the impression he willl change ip soon |
| 01:37.58 | chouimat | TABARNACK! He is in every channel I'm in |
| 01:38.23 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.45 | W8TVI | any other ideas? |
| 01:55.35 | TCMAN | W8TVI: have you tried smashing your Z against the table couple times? |
| 01:55.39 | W8TVI | no |
| 01:55.53 | W8TVI | are you trying to be funny? |
| 01:55.54 | TCMAN | W8TVI: good, because it will not help |
| 01:56.03 | TCMAN | yes |
| 01:56.50 | W8TVI | I just took it apart, and reassmbled it.. |
| 01:56.54 | TCMAN | W8TVI: did you reboot your z ? if charging is softare controlled it may help |
| 01:56.54 | W8TVI | didn't help |
| 01:57.19 | TCMAN | W8TVI maybe shutdown totall and start it |
| 01:57.38 | TCMAN | or maybe shutdown, remove main battery and wait for backup battery to run out? |
| 01:57.51 | W8TVI | I did a shut down last time |
| 01:58.34 | W8TVI | the last time it worked, the screen went all werid |
| 01:58.50 | W8TVI | the was black with just the sidelight on |
| 01:58.56 | W8TVI | then |
| 01:58.59 | W8TVI | that is |
| 02:00.21 | W8TVI | how long will it take for the internal battery to drain? |
| 02:00.48 | TCMAN | W8TVI: some say that couple minutes, some that 24 hours |
| 02:01.17 | TCMAN | W8TVI: the screen goes weird because display controller doesnt get shut down or reset properly |
| 02:01.18 | W8TVI | heh |
| 02:01.20 | W8TVI | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?s=358d042d35db64f4f1c8af235a8bcca0&act=SF&f=3&prune_day=100&sort_by=Z-A&sort_order=&st=60 |
| 02:01.28 | W8TVI | look at the last one |
| 02:01.33 | TCMAN | W8TVI i think kergoth fixed it |
| 02:02.14 | kergoth | yeah, found the source of that one |
| 02:02.17 | W8TVI | the power app showed the battery to be almost dead |
| 02:02.34 | W8TVI | would the screen do that if it was almost dead? |
| 02:03.37 | TCMAN | i have to go home |
| 02:03.41 | TCMAN | cu later guys |
| 02:03.56 | W8TVI | late... |
| 02:04.01 | W8TVI | ....er |
| 02:06.09 | W8TVI | if I had a job, I'd just save up and get a c700 |
| 02:06.24 | W8TVI | but I already spent $230 getting my new server |
| 02:12.26 | Speedy2 | Charging is controlled by software |
| 02:12.28 | Speedy2 | What happened? |
| 02:12.37 | Speedy2 | W8TVI: What did you do to it? |
| 02:14.28 | W8TVI | I made my own external powersupply |
| 02:16.25 | Speedy2 | With the batteries? |
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| 02:24.35 | W8TVI | yes |
| 02:24.43 | Speedy2 | And now it's not working? |
| 02:24.48 | Speedy2 | You sure you got the polarity right? |
| 02:24.50 | Speedy2 | No shorts? |
| 02:25.01 | Speedy2 | The Z won't run without a battery in it. |
| 02:25.08 | Speedy2 | (internal battery) |
| 02:25.49 | W8TVI | I'm sure I got it right |
| 02:26.08 | W8TVI | and the battery was in it |
| 02:26.10 | Speedy2 | So you hooked your power supply to the external port, and what happened? |
| 02:26.50 | W8TVI | nothing |
| 02:26.58 | W8TVI | the light wont come on |
| 02:27.08 | Speedy2 | Charging light? |
| 02:27.24 | Speedy2 | What kind of jack are you using to interface to the external DC port? |
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| 02:37.06 | W8TVI | back |
| 02:56.15 | W8TVI | I read in a fourm that theres a fuse in the zaurus someplace... |
| 03:03.29 | mewyn | thunderbird? |
| 03:03.34 | mewyn | ick |
| 03:03.34 | Masticator | phoenix |
| 03:03.38 | kergoth | the email client along the lines of firebird |
| 03:03.40 | Masticator | new name |
| 03:03.42 | kergoth | extensions |
| 03:03.45 | kergoth | no, phoenix is firebird |
| 03:03.56 | kergoth | i dunno whats up with the naming like automobiles ;) |
| 03:03.56 | mewyn | firebird == almost perfect |
| 03:04.11 | Masticator | is there a Qt port of it yet? |
| 03:04.16 | kergoth | i normally dont use anything but mutt, but i figured it was worth a look |
| 03:04.17 | Masticator | firebird and thunderbird? |
| 03:04.27 | mewyn | evolution |
| 03:04.36 | Masticator | I'm wondering if any of those components would be useful to us |
| 03:04.38 | kergoth | god i hate mozilla builds |
| 03:04.38 | bisho | yeah...evo rulez |
| 03:04.41 | kergoth | takes a long fucking time |
| 03:04.45 | bisho | :) |
| 03:04.45 | mewyn | kergoth: yes |
| 03:04.54 | kergoth | i need to build firebird after this |
| 03:04.57 | Masticator | Novell Evolution |
| 03:04.58 | mewyn | if i ever get that dual opteron, that won't be the case :) |
| 03:05.05 | kergoth | since i cnat find a gtk2+xft firebird built with gcc2 |
| 03:05.13 | kergoth | may as well enable svg while i'm at it |
| 03:05.33 | Masticator | Novell: Because not all Mormons are Evil. |
| 03:05.45 | mewyn | kergoth: i was about to offer you a recent firebird build with xft and a patch for borked ext handlers, but it's gcc3 built |
| 03:05.59 | W8TVI | hwy kergoth, have you heard about there being a fuse on the board in the Z? |
| 03:06.03 | kergoth | has the fix made it into cvs? |
| 03:06.07 | mewyn | no |
| 03:06.11 | kergoth | W8TVI: wonder where i put mjy service manual. hrm |
| 03:06.13 | kergoth | mewyn: url me |
| 03:06.43 | W8TVI | a fuse to protect it from some one like me |
| 03:07.00 | kergoth | configure: error: SVG requires a modified version of libart. To pull and build |
| 03:07.03 | kergoth | this LGPL library, set MOZ_INTERNAL_LIBART_LGPL, and then rerun the |
| 03:07.06 | kergoth | checkout stage |
| 03:07.08 | kergoth | hrmph. |
| 03:07.38 | mewyn | kergoth: check your ~ on zelda :) |
| 03:08.10 | mewyn | if you need src, i can drop it in your homedir too |
| 03:08.37 | ljp | make -j 20 is my new friend |
| 03:08.48 | mewyn | oh, and this build's prefix is /usr/local/firebird |
| 03:08.49 | kergoth | mewyn: you have just the patch for ext handling? |
| 03:08.58 | mewyn | ah, sure |
| 03:09.10 | kergoth | I need to dig up a .spec for firebird |
| 03:09.18 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:10.21 | mewyn | kergoth: done |
| 03:10.27 | mewyn | exthandler.patch |
| 03:10.30 | Masticator | http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/3952.html |
| 03:10.34 | Masticator | I think I am in love |
| 03:12.39 | mewyn | http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=106794&action=view kergoth, here is the patch to the prefs file too |
| 03:24.41 | treke|home | that looks cool |
| 03:25.52 | treke|home | kergoth: ha. most 760 have bad blocks in flash? |
| 03:26.00 | kergoth | a couple, yeah. |
| 03:26.02 | treke|home | kergoth: Cheap manufacurting? |
| 03:26.07 | kergoth | dunno |
| 03:50.24 | Masticator | hey, what do you guys think of an SCO tee shirt contest? |
| 03:50.42 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 03:50.45 | Masticator | 12 best designs make it into a calendar |
| 03:50.55 | Masticator | with hot chicks wearing them |
| 03:51.06 | W8TVI | I got power on the board, and 3.2v at the battery terminal |
| 03:51.11 | Masticator | with logos like "SCO: give us our money or we kill the puppies" |
| 04:04.00 | wu-wei | masticator: good idea, but for SCO we need to find some $10 whores |
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| 05:44.13 | ljp | hmm, ozlabs is down |
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| 07:35.12 | Twiun | Good morning! |
| 07:36.47 | kergoth | XFree86-4.2.0-die-ugly-pattern-die-die-die.patch |
| 07:36.48 | kergoth | hmm |
| 07:36.49 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 07:43.22 | prh | morning |
| 07:44.45 | prh | got an error buildinig linux in the buildroot. works fine if I build manually... but in the buildroot typing make gets me a fatal error: |
| 07:44.49 | prh | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/build/linux' |
| 07:44.51 | prh | scripts/split-include include/linux/autoconf.h include/config |
| 07:44.54 | prh | arm-linux-gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/build/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -Os -mapcs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fno-common -pipe -mapcs-32 -march=armv4 -Wa,-mxscale -mtune=strongarm -mshort-load-bytes -msoft-float -DKBUILD_BASENAME=main -c -o init/main.o init/main.c |
| 07:44.59 | prh | Assembler messages: |
| 07:45.01 | prh | Error: use of old and new-style options to set CPU type |
| 07:45.35 | prh | /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/build/linux/include/asm/proc/cache.h: In function `flush_page_to_ram': |
| 07:45.39 | prh | /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/build/linux/include/asm/proc/cache.h:118: warning: passing arg 1 of `cpu_pid_va_to_mva' makes integer from pointer without a cast |
| 07:45.42 | prh | /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/build/linux/include/asm/proc/cache.h:118: warning: passing arg 1 of `cpu_xscale_flush_ram_page' makes pointer from integer without a cast |
| 07:45.45 | prh | /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/build/linux/include/asm/proc/cache.h: In function `flush_dcache_page': |
| 07:45.47 | kergoth | what toolchain? |
| 07:45.48 | prh | /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/build/linux/include/asm/proc/cache.h:159: warning: passing arg 1 of `cpu_pid_va_to_mva' makes integer from pointer without a cast |
| 07:45.51 | prh | /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/build/linux/include/asm/pgalloc.h: In function `get_pgd_fast': |
| 07:45.54 | prh | /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/build/linux/include/asm/pgalloc.h:66: warning: passing arg 1 of `cpu_pid_va_to_mva' makes integer from pointer without a cast |
| 07:45.57 | prh | /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/build/linux/include/asm/pgalloc.h: In function `pte_alloc_one_fast': |
| 07:46.00 | prh | /home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/build/linux/include/asm/pgalloc.h:86: warning: passing arg 1 of `cpu_pid_va_to_mva' makes integer from pointer without a cast |
| 07:46.03 | prh | make[2]: *** [init/main.o] Error 1 |
| 07:46.06 | prh | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/build/linux' |
| 07:46.08 | prh | make[1]: *** [/home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/output/zImage-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix.bin] Error 2 |
| 07:46.11 | prh | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/packages/kernel-shepherd' |
| 07:46.14 | prh | make: *** [packages/kernel-shepherd] Error 2 |
| 07:46.17 | prh | that's 2.95.3 |
| 07:46.18 | prh | I'm building the apps with 3.3.1 (cos libc failed with 295...) |
| 07:46.28 | kergoth | what 2.95.3? |
| 07:46.36 | kergoth | i've never had a problem building the shepherd kernel. |
| 07:46.54 | prh | bah |
| 07:47.10 | kergoth | which 2.95.3 chain? |
| 07:47.12 | prh | cross-2.95.4-oz-1.tar.bz2 cross-3.3.1pre-oz1.tar.bz2 from the OZ website |
| 07:47.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:47.27 | prh | ok thats .4 :O) |
| 07:47.29 | kergoth | use cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2/gz |
| 07:47.32 | kergoth | instead of that one. |
| 07:47.49 | prh | yea is 3 better? |
| 07:48.18 | prh | could be that my config says... |
| 07:48.18 | prh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.18 | prh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.18 | prh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.18 | prh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.21 | prh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.38 | prh | duh |
| 07:48.47 | prh | I'll download 2953 as well |
| 07:50.02 | prh | I'm away shortly for a week - would reeally like to take a pocket linux box with me |
| 07:50.41 | prh | bah - the link in the faq (item 84) for the compiler chain is broken |
| 07:51.18 | prh | and that'll be because there is no 2953 available for download now |
| 07:51.38 | prh | hmm looks to be building ok but might still be too soon to say |
| 07:53.27 | kergoth | eh? |
| 07:53.30 | kergoth | 2.95.3 is available |
| 07:53.32 | kergoth | its just in old |
| 07:53.46 | prh | oh right - the link the faq doesnt work though |
| 07:55.16 | prh | erk getting 350k/s from Oz.org |
| 07:56.40 | prh | kergoth: should I use the old november plain 2.95.3 or the april 2.95.3-oz-1.2 ? |
| 07:57.21 | kergoth | 02:49 <@kergoth> use cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2/gz |
| 07:57.27 | kergoth | was i ambiguous? |
| 07:57.35 | kergoth | i gave you teh exact fucking filename man |
| 08:00.52 | prh | ok,ok :O) |
| 08:01.38 | prh | only you said it at 08:47 :-p "08:47 <@kergoth> use cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2/gz" |
| 08:04.43 | prh | ah lufs failed - I drop it |
| 08:04.50 | Twiun | prh: lol, you in the uk? |
| 08:05.25 | prh | yea |
| 08:06.11 | Twiun | wouldn't happen to be contracting, would you? |
| 08:06.39 | Twiun | I'm in the UK too, based in London |
| 08:06.54 | prh | no - need a contractor? (I'm soon to be made redundandt) |
| 08:07.31 | Twiun | unfortunately not... I've been redundant since october... just got my first bona fide contract and IT contracting in the UK is a bloody minefield |
| 08:08.33 | Twiun | IR35 and all that crap |
| 08:08.41 | Twiun | what do you do? |
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| 08:10.04 | prh | at the moment - unix sys admin primarilly |
| 08:10.05 | TCMAN | hi |
| 08:11.08 | Twiun | prh: if you know any j2ee admin as well, there's a few positions on jobserve |
| 08:11.50 | Twiun | prh: have you started applying for jobs yet? |
| 08:11.54 | Twiun | hey TCMAN |
| 08:12.19 | prh | no - because I'm not actually redundant yet. it's a weird situation. and I don't want to leave - I want them to pay me to leave |
| 08:12.55 | Twiun | prh: right - but take it from me, start applying now, because agencies/employers take months to get their arse in gear |
| 08:13.21 | prh | don't think I want to contract - want another permy job. I'm a coward :O) |
| 08:13.37 | prh | (or rather just not so up on the bullshit needed to contract well) |
| 08:13.53 | Twiun | prh: I've got a permy in progress which has taken 2.5 months to get to the stage of 'we should let you know soon' |
| 08:14.06 | Twiun | prh: I've got my back to the wall, so contracting it is |
| 08:14.16 | Twiun | prh: but only until I can get a permanent job |
| 08:14.16 | TCMAN | i think agencies suck, ask friends and friends of friends and so on |
| 08:15.00 | TCMAN | for agency you are just another emailed resume |
| 08:15.47 | TCMAN | and even if a company gets your emailed resume, a friend of a friend gets the job anyway |
| 08:15.58 | Twiun | yeah, but I've done the friends of friends path |
| 08:16.01 | TCMAN | agencies were good in dotcom boom |
| 08:16.04 | Twiun | I've run dry already ;) |
| 08:16.17 | TCMAN | Twiun: make more friends : |
| 08:16.18 | TCMAN | ':) |
| 08:16.32 | TCMAN | Twiun: what job are you looking for ? |
| 08:16.53 | Twiun | TCMAN: java development - anything! |
| 08:16.58 | prh | TCMAN: you in UK? |
| 08:17.02 | Twiun | TCMAN: I'll send you my cv if you want :) |
| 08:17.07 | TCMAN | prh: THE valley |
| 08:17.27 | prh | TCMAN: which? silicon? or thames? |
| 08:17.27 | TCMAN | Twiun: nope, where i work we need driver people and asic designers |
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| 08:17.43 | TCMAN | there is only one (silicon) |
| 08:17.52 | Twiun | TCMAN: damn. does pissing about in kernel code count as driver dev? |
| 08:17.53 | prh | rrrriiiggghhhtttt |
| 08:18.31 | TCMAN | Twiun: not quite :( its about gfx drivers |
| 08:18.43 | TCMAN | oh my c760 on ebay |
| 08:18.43 | Twiun | TCMAN: shame :) |
| 08:18.57 | Twiun | TCMAN: I do a lot of lowlevel AWT/native development too... so gfx stuff |
| 08:20.13 | TCMAN | Twiun: its 3d graphics, mostly windows :) |
| 08:20.20 | prh | eugh |
| 08:20.21 | TCMAN | kergoth is always up |
| 08:20.23 | Twiun | prh, TCMAN: where are you two based then? |
| 08:20.29 | prh | london |
| 08:20.42 | prh | 09:06 < Twiun> I'm in the UK too, based in London |
| 08:20.44 | TCMAN | Twiun: right now my ass is based in my chair in sunnyvale |
| 08:20.50 | prh | oh TCMAN just missed seeing that |
| 08:21.25 | Twiun | great :) |
| 08:21.39 | TCMAN | geez, its so sweet, supersize pictures |
| 08:22.06 | TCMAN | to bad that seller has 0 feedback and my wife will never allow to buy it |
| 08:22.21 | Twiun | that good eh? |
| 08:22.41 | Twiun | the only thing I've bought on ebay is this Palm V here |
| 08:22.58 | TCMAN | Twiun: i am talking about zaurus sl-c760 i am looking at on ebay |
| 08:23.06 | TCMAN | not pr0n :) |
| 08:23.56 | TCMAN | Twiun: are you in uk in london ? |
| 08:24.16 | Twiun | TCMAN: yup - I live in SE18 |
| 08:25.00 | XavierXeon | ibot: openembedded |
| 08:25.01 | | i heard openembedded is both an 'alpha-buildsystem' (see http://openembedded.org and http://openembedded.bkbits.net) and the base name of various Linux distributions produced by said system. |
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| 08:26.13 | TCMAN | W8TVI: do you ever sleep ? |
| 08:26.14 | Twiun | TCMAN: lol, it's a postal code area |
| 08:26.21 | Twiun | TCMAN: London South East |
| 08:26.44 | W8TVI | TCMAN: yes |
| 08:26.54 | W8TVI | TCMAN: can't sleep |
| 08:27.05 | TCMAN | Twiun: i have only been in London two times at ects in kensington olympia |
| 08:27.14 | Twiun | TCMAN: ahhhh |
| 08:28.26 | prh | shit - buildroot has built |
| 08:28.42 | TCMAN | prh: impressive :) |
| 08:28.56 | prh | now to make images and try to flash |
| 08:29.34 | prh | TCMAN: what machine for? |
| 08:30.01 | TCMAN | my impressions from London: great all you can eat Chinese, and really bad pizza with anchovis :) |
| 08:30.05 | TCMAN | prh: sl5500 |
| 08:30.41 | TCMAN | prh: but its not kernel prob, its missing or not compiling packages and stuff, and treke.net for couple days too |
| 08:31.13 | TCMAN | prh: but it seems it will build this time (knock knock) |
| 08:31.29 | TCMAN | and then i want to build opie cvs |
| 08:31.53 | prh | bah |
| 08:31.57 | prh | when make image: |
| 08:31.58 | prh | pkg_depends.c:182: satisfying_pkg=0x8070df8 |
| 08:31.58 | prh | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for base-modules: |
| 08:31.58 | prh | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.58 | prh | This could mean that your package list is out of date or that the packages |
| 08:32.00 | prh | mentioned above do not yet exist (try 'ipkg update'). To proceed in spite |
| 08:32.03 | prh | of this problem try again with the '-force-depends' option. |
| 08:32.05 | prh | configuring unpacked packages |
| 08:32.08 | prh | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.10 | prh | hash_table[pkg-hash] n_buckets=1423 n_elements=23 max_conflicts=1 n_conflicts=0 |
| 08:32.14 | prh | hash_table[file-hash] n_buckets=1423 n_elements=0 max_conflicts=0 n_conflicts=0 |
| 08:32.17 | prh | hash_table[obs-file-hash] n_buckets=1423 n_elements=0 max_conflicts=0 n_conflicts=0 |
| 08:32.20 | prh | make[1]: *** [/home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/output/../output/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/base-modules.control] Error 1 |
| 08:32.23 | prh | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/paul/Z/b/buildroot-oz/output' |
| 08:32.25 | prh | make: *** [image] Error 2 |
| 08:34.19 | prh | BAH! my config got wiped somewow. weird |
| 08:38.23 | Twiun | the output/.config file, right? |
| 08:40.58 | TCMAN | this is amazing, every day the same guy posts like hundreds of notebook scam auctions on ebay using different stolen accounts |
| 08:42.38 | Twiun | one of the reasons why I'll most likely end up buying my new laptop from a dealer |
| 08:43.56 | TCMAN | but i am really sorry for all newbies that fall for this stuff |
| 08:44.56 | Twiun | buying new allows me to write off the tax though |
| 08:45.24 | TCMAN | i couldnt possibly make myself spend couple thousand on new notebook |
| 08:45.53 | Twiun | well, I've worked out I need 1GHz+ and 512mb+ on it |
| 08:46.00 | Twiun | other than that I'm flexible |
| 08:46.26 | TCMAN | Twiun: thats enough for everything except video "processing" :))) |
| 08:46.46 | prh | this laptop was bought on ebay. but I did go and pick it up. drove up to sheffield. |
| 08:47.03 | TCMAN | Twiun: i wanted something small and light, so i got old toshiba portege 3480 |
| 08:47.03 | Twiun | TCMAN: Java development in a java-based IDE... |
| 08:47.16 | Twiun | TCMAN: so the more muscle it has, the better |
| 08:47.18 | prh | TCMAN: ditto - hence ibm stinnkpad x22 |
| 08:47.52 | TCMAN | Twiun: ahh, java, there is never enough cpu power for that :) |
| 08:48.39 | TCMAN | prh: X series are small ones without optical drives, right ? |
| 08:49.32 | TCMAN | but toshiba is much much smaller |
| 08:49.55 | prh | yea small with optional tray that has floppy and changeable drive bay. oh and serial/|| etc |
| 08:50.23 | TCMAN | prh: titanium case or plastic ? |
| 08:50.31 | prh | the main thing has what i need though. monitor, usb, 1cf 1pcmcia built in wireless and ether |
| 08:50.35 | prh | plastic |
| 08:50.41 | TCMAN | yuck |
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| 08:50.57 | prh | why yuck? |
| 08:51.03 | TCMAN | especially dells :) |
| 08:51.04 | prh | this does not bend |
| 08:51.09 | Twiun | hrm... I suppose I'm going to have to browse a few shops to see the notebooks in person |
| 08:51.12 | prh | oh dells are bad |
| 08:51.28 | prh | Twiun: from a linux perspective - the ibms are excellent |
| 08:51.39 | TCMAN | good notebooks have magnesium alloy or titanium case |
| 08:52.43 | TCMAN | metal case has much better heat dissipation and is much more impact proof |
| 08:52.50 | TCMAN | and doesnt bend :) |
| 08:53.06 | Twiun | prh: how's the battery life? |
| 08:53.48 | prh | not bad - 2-3 hrs |
| 08:54.04 | prh | (thats after 18 months and nearly daily charge/discharge |
| 08:54.09 | prh | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.10 | Twiun | right |
| 08:54.51 | TCMAN | thats quite decent |
| 08:54.53 | Twiun | preference between a celeron or a p4? |
| 08:55.00 | TCMAN | prh: p3 ulv ? |
| 08:55.16 | TCMAN | Twiun: get p4, or even better centrino |
| 08:55.37 | TCMAN | Twiun: look up thinkpad r40e |
| 08:57.39 | Twiun | TCMAN: looking it up on ibm... wow they've got quite a range |
| 08:58.04 | TCMAN | Twiun: the cheapest one r40e with integrated gfx looks interesting |
| 08:58.04 | prh | TCMAN: yea |
| 08:58.31 | TCMAN | Twiun: i am now looking for notebook for a friend, under $1k |
| 08:58.51 | TCMAN | "you know about computers so help us buy a notebook" :) |
| 08:59.00 | Twiun | hmmm... ibm's comparison page doesn't say which have integrated gfx... any model numbers? |
| 08:59.10 | Twiun | actually, part numbers? |
| 08:59.19 | TCMAN | Twiun: r40e has new integrated ati gfx |
| 08:59.33 | TCMAN | Twiun: thats the best integrated gfx money can buy now |
| 08:59.34 | Twiun | TCMAN: all the variations? |
| 08:59.52 | TCMAN | Twiun: no, only the e version, the cheapest one |
| 09:00.06 | Twiun | TCMAN: ok, so one of the r40e with a p4... as they also do them with celerons ;) |
| 09:00.18 | Twiun | http://www5.pc.ibm.com/uk/products.nsf/Current+Products?OpenAgent&brand=THINKPAD&series=THINKPAD+R+SERIES |
| 09:01.05 | Twiun | cheapest one there with a p4 is £951 |
| 09:01.12 | Twiun | Sugar: what is 951 GBP in USD |
| 09:01.14 | Sugar | 951 GBP is 1524.0385 US$ |
| 09:02.14 | TCMAN | i wouldnt recommend celeron to a friend :) |
| 09:02.37 | Twiun | hmmm, so I need to find that p4 model cheaper ;) |
| 09:04.11 | TCMAN | wow, this is scam, 2.2ghz p4 on us website is 1050 |
| 09:04.37 | TCMAN | http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=-840&storeId=1&categoryId=2302836&langId=-1&dualCurrId=73 |
| 09:04.38 | Twiun | yeah, corporations do the USD->GBP conversion at 1:1 |
| 09:04.41 | prh | yea in the UK we are badly fleased |
| 09:05.20 | prh | Twiun: cars, computers, food... just about everything is 30% more expensive here than in the rest of Europe, US etc |
| 09:05.29 | Twiun | prh: absolutely |
| 09:05.39 | TCMAN | this is a justice - you make less so you pay more :) |
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| 09:06.35 | prh | aye |
| 09:06.59 | prh | but even things that are made in the UK are cheaper to buy in continental europe. |
| 09:07.03 | TCMAN | i feel your pain guys, i came from poland here |
| 09:07.05 | prh | sigh |
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| 09:09.00 | TCMAN | in poland customs and taxes make electronics 50 - 100% more expensive and we make 10 times less or even worse |
| 09:09.13 | prh | crazy init |
| 09:09.48 | prh | it's not taxes that make it more expensive here. well not completely. it's just these corps know we are a soft touch so bump up the price |
| 09:11.33 | TCMAN | yeah, like rugby is soft touch compared to american football (not that i know shit about both) |
| 09:14.16 | Twiun | hrmm... I'm going to have a look in european etailer's shops methinks |
| 09:22.21 | prh | TCMAN: erm sorry? |
| 09:22.55 | TCMAN | prh: just kidding about british being soft touch ? |
| 09:23.01 | prh | rugby is the soft-touch eh? Yea those yanks with all their body armour and namby-pamby padding are ssoooo hard. |
| 09:23.26 | TCMAN | prh: thats what i am saying, british are not soft touch |
| 09:23.55 | prh | hehe - they can't even play continuously - 5 seconds of action then they have a 30 minute break to plan the next 5 seconds of action. thats sport by committee! |
| 09:24.05 | prh | I know |
| 09:24.09 | Twiun | Sugar: what is 2247 EUR in GBP |
| 09:24.11 | Sugar | 2247 EUR is 1584.3253 GBP |
| 09:31.09 | TCMAN | time to sleep |
| 09:31.13 | TCMAN | good night guys |
| 09:31.30 | Twiun | see ya |
| 09:31.32 | TCMAN | and oz build failed on qte because some lame patch didnt apply :) |
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| 11:06.58 | Twiun | hmmm, the thinkpads are a wee bit pricier than I had imagined |
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| 11:15.06 | heatxsink | Twiun: how much for a thinkpad? |
| 11:20.44 | Twiun | heatxsink: r40e is around the £900 mark |
| 11:27.58 | Twiun | so say around $1500 |
| 11:33.40 | heatxsink | Twiun: ahh brand new then? |
| 11:36.05 | Twiun | heatxsink: unless I can find a reliable used supplier |
| 11:36.47 | Twiun | heatxsink: I need to do java dev on it |
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| 17:25.01 | tgall_ | greets |
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| 18:31.03 | treke | ibot, seen DocWhat? |
| 18:31.03 | | docwhat <docwhat@204.42.16.60> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 136d 18h 39m 52s ago, saying: 'I'm outta here.'. |
| 18:31.11 | treke | ibot, seen TheOnyx4 |
| 18:31.11 | | treke: i haven't seen 'theonyx4' |
| 18:31.13 | treke | ibot, seen TheOnyx |
| 18:31.13 | | treke: i haven't seen 'theonyx' |
| 18:36.31 | tgall_ | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 18:36.31 | | i haven't seen 'kergoth ', tgall_ |
| 18:37.09 | W8TVI_ | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 18:37.09 | | kergoth is currently on #uclibc (1d 16h 44m 43s) #elinux (1d 16h 44m 43s) #openembedded (1d 16h 44m 43s) #handhelds.org (1d 16h 44m 43s) #openzaurus (1d 16h 44m 43s). Has said a total of 229 messages. Is idling for 10h 39m 34s |
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| 19:56.30 | Pendalar | kergoth : although this is more than likely a VERY stupid question, are there any known issues with NFS mounting a RH9 box with OZ3.2 ? |
| 19:56.46 | Pendalar | I can't see why there would be, but I'm out of ideas |
| 20:03.30 | Pendalar | n/m RH9's NFS setup or whatever apparently doesn't support wildcard /etc/exports |
| 20:14.20 | andreas_gi_ | Pendalar: ive read in the RH reference book that they support wildcards in /etc/exports |
| 20:20.24 | Pendalar | I had 192.168.1.10*, fails after I went from 7.2->9 |
| 20:20.31 | Pendalar | and 192.168.1.* fails now as well |
| 20:20.46 | Pendalar | probably requires a submask or something now |
| 20:21.40 | Pendalar | it's much slower now |
| 20:21.47 | Pendalar | =-/ even with async |
| 20:22.10 | Pendalar | I'm noticing a wdelay flag in /proc/fs/nfs/exports .. not sure why that's there or how to kill it |
| 20:22.16 | Pendalar | must be a new default as well |
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| 20:24.11 | andreas_gi_ | i dont know why 192.168.1.* doesnt work - should work according their books :/ |
| 20:24.31 | andreas_gi_ | no submask neede as well |
| 20:25.19 | Pendalar | prob v3 is why |
| 20:25.50 | Pendalar | because my zaurus hasn't changed, just newer kernel, nfs packages etc on the server box |
| 20:27.52 | Pendalar | the nfs page says v2 is faster with my kernel version than v3.. |
| 20:27.59 | Pendalar | should just kill v3 =-/ |
| 20:28.51 | andreas_gi_ | i have a wdelay too on debian 3.0 box |
| 20:29.23 | andreas_gi_ | and its everything else then slow |
| 20:32.46 | andreas_gi_ | ah ok, didnt read the v3 thing |
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| 20:59.03 | Pendalar | what does wdelay do exactly? |
| 20:59.10 | Pendalar | I don't see it on the site, nor how to turn it off |
| 21:04.48 | andreas_gi_ | wdelay — Causes the NFS server to delay writing to the disk if it suspects another write request is imminent. This can improve performance by reducing the number of times the disk must be accessed by separate write commands, reducing write overhead. The no_wdelay option turns off this feature, but is only available when using the sync option. |
| 21:04.58 | andreas_gi_ | http://www.klid.dk/pub/redhat/linux/9/en/doc/RH-DOCS/rhl-rg-en-9/s1-nfs-server-config.html |
| 21:06.36 | Pendalar | hrm |
| 21:06.45 | Pendalar | I was looking at nfs.sourceforge.net =-p |
| 21:06.51 | Pendalar | and it wasn't there that I could find |
| 21:07.08 | Pendalar | I'm using async so I guess it has to use wdelay |
| 21:07.16 | andreas_gi_ | yes |
| 21:07.30 | Pendalar | still odd it's so slow |
| 21:07.52 | Pendalar | it was about 3x speed before I put RH9 on it |
| 21:08.57 | andreas_gi_ | isnt there a usermode nfsd and a kernel-mode ? afaik |
| 21:11.30 | Pendalar | I believe so but I'm the wrong person to answer that |
| 21:12.23 | Pendalar | "Taunt not thy system administrator.. for he may become you.. and make your life interesting" |
| 21:12.24 | Pendalar | cute |
| 21:12.58 | andreas_gi_ | heh |
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| 23:56.48 | andersee | kergoth: around? |