| 00:00.06 | W8TVI | send them a mini EMP |
| 00:02.43 | W8TVI | dang it... this debug rom doesnt seem to show the boot messages... |
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| 00:09.29 | drakonite | kergoth`bbl, does OZ have a key you can hold down to get a boot menu at start to go directly to a console (like the sharp rom) ? |
| 00:10.50 | kergoth`bbl | no, as with everything else sharp didnt release the soruce to theri bootmenu |
| 00:10.57 | kergoth`bbl | we have a new one, but its not in the images yet |
| 00:11.10 | drakonite | oh. that's a bunch of crap.. |
| 00:11.25 | drakonite | oh, the dialog+bootmenu options? what do you do to get a bootmenu? |
| 00:12.29 | kergoth`bbl | hm |
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| 00:12.32 | kergoth`bbl | you dont do anything |
| 00:12.40 | kergoth`bbl | the bootmenu in buildroot is old and suffering from bitrot |
| 00:12.44 | mewyn | kergoth: that Rio Karma was mentioned on /. |
| 00:12.45 | kergoth`bbl | theres a new one, that isnt even in buildroot yet |
| 00:12.51 | kergoth`bbl | much less ready for inclusion |
| 00:12.52 | drakonite | oh |
| 00:13.14 | drakonite | sorry.. i thought one of the options in buildroot was what you were talking about. |
| 00:13.30 | kergoth`bbl | that bootmenu in buildroot _does_ work, but not without manual alterations to inittab |
| 00:13.38 | kergoth`bbl | just wait for the new one to be integrated |
| 00:13.55 | drakonite | alright |
| 00:14.00 | chouimat | hey kergoth`bbl |
| 00:14.45 | kergoth`bbl | hey chouimat |
| 00:18.33 | chouimat | kergoth`bbl: anything new? |
| 00:31.45 | W8TVI | who uses a debug kernel here? |
| 00:32.38 | drakonite | W8TVI, I don't... but if you need someone to be testing something I might be able to flash one |
| 00:34.20 | W8TVI | arent the debug kernels supost to show the boot messages? |
| 00:36.01 | W8TVI | like desktop boxes? |
| 00:36.34 | drakonite | i dunno |
| 00:37.19 | kergoth`bbl | they're supposed to |
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| 00:38.57 | W8TVI | well I've tried both the 32/32 and the 26/40 and all I get is the normal splash screen |
| 00:39.06 | kergoth`bbl | you'll get a splash screen |
| 00:39.13 | kergoth`bbl | it'll just scroll away |
| 00:39.22 | W8TVI | It didn't |
| 00:39.28 | kergoth`bbl | then its broken |
| 00:39.59 | W8TVI | thats 2 then |
| 00:40.45 | W8TVI | are you using a debug kernel on a 5500 kergoth`bbl? |
| 00:41.15 | kergoth`bbl | uh |
| 00:41.19 | kergoth`bbl | i'm using a 2.4.21 kernel on a 5500. |
| 00:41.41 | kergoth`bbl | treke: heh, whatd he do? |
| 00:41.46 | treke | he actually named the feed directory 5thtoe |
| 00:41.52 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 00:41.54 | treke | "thirdparty" |
| 00:41.55 | W8TVI | all I want is to be able to see the boot messages |
| 00:41.56 | treke | "contrib" |
| 00:41.58 | kergoth`bbl | 'contrib' |
| 00:41.59 | kergoth`bbl | yeah |
| 00:42.07 | Harlekin | treke: is wellenreiter or camera 3rd party? |
| 00:42.15 | Harlekin | treke: or additional i18n |
| 00:42.21 | kergoth`bbl | those should be in an 'extra' feed |
| 00:42.27 | treke | are they "toes"? |
| 00:42.29 | kergoth`bbl | or use contrib |
| 00:42.34 | kergoth`bbl | contrib is what people expect |
| 00:44.11 | chouimat | kergoth`bbl: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2746395135&category=39978 |
| 00:45.29 | imk | when cross compiling for the Z, what host type do you use? arm-linux? |
| 00:46.02 | kergoth`bbl | imk: yep |
| 00:47.43 | imk | hmm, well im tryin to cross compile kismet 3.0.1 on the Z and it just says invalid host type when i use arm-linux |
| 00:47.45 | W8TVI | kergoth`bbl, I used http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/do_download?mirror_id=1&release_id=7&file=zImage-5500-40memory-24storage-debug.bin |
| 00:47.54 | kergoth`bbl | W8TVI: and? |
| 00:48.01 | kergoth`bbl | what part of "then its broken" didnt sink in? |
| 00:48.02 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 00:48.27 | treke | kergoth`bbl: the part about it being broken |
| 00:48.42 | kergoth`bbl | treke: oh right |
| 00:48.43 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 00:48.49 | chouimat | ok I found a nice little tape backup: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2747272867&category=39978 |
| 00:48.52 | W8TVI | I was just telling you that that was the one I used... |
| 00:49.02 | W8TVI | so are all of them broken then? |
| 00:49.05 | kergoth | W8TVI: if a debug image is borked, they're all borked |
| 00:49.14 | kergoth | W8TVI: the config opts are automatically set by the buildsystem. |
| 00:49.17 | kergoth | which builds them all |
| 00:50.09 | W8TVI | is there anything else in the debug rom thats not in the others? |
| 00:50.31 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:50.35 | kergoth | all thats changed is CMDLINE |
| 00:50.37 | kergoth | console= |
| 00:50.38 | kergoth | thats it |
| 00:50.57 | W8TVI | heh... |
| 00:51.05 | kergoth | would be nice to add a few other things, like change teh default console loglevel, or enable debugging symbols (-g) |
| 00:51.13 | W8TVI | to bad that can't be changed after the fact |
| 00:51.23 | W8TVI | stupid kernel |
| 00:51.28 | kergoth | we'd need a bootloader that odesnt suck to do that |
| 00:51.33 | kergoth | to change what it passes to the kernel |
| 00:51.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:51.42 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 00:52.37 | Harlekin | n8 |
| 01:02.46 | treke | ljp: get back to integrating patches into qte |
| 01:02.57 | gb2 | i'm hoping busybox.net comes back up before i go to sleep so i can restart my build |
| 01:03.31 | ljp | need copyright released |
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| 01:03.55 | kergoth | keyboard & tslib need cleanup prior to submission |
| 01:03.58 | kergoth | dunno about the others |
| 01:04.22 | kergoth | and i'm sure they can implement some of our functionality on their own without the patch in some cases |
| 01:04.24 | treke | you know. More and more lately, I'be begun hating people |
| 01:04.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:04.40 | kergoth | what crawled up bruno's ass? |
| 01:04.45 | treke | bruno? |
| 01:04.50 | kergoth | one of the translators |
| 01:04.51 | kergoth | opie ml |
| 01:04.57 | kergoth | he's out of the project because he cant get it compiled |
| 01:06.25 | kergoth | funny, the opie compilation page has been there and worked for ages |
| 01:06.30 | kergoth | i dont see what people find difficult |
| 01:07.06 | treke | and when following those instructions it almost always works |
| 01:07.44 | kergoth | there's a certain point at which its hardly worth bothering helping someone |
| 01:07.48 | kergoth | so i say fuck replying |
| 01:07.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:08.01 | treke | I didnt say it would be a helpful reply |
| 01:08.08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:08.11 | kergoth | even so |
| 01:08.15 | ljp | and patches need documentation |
| 01:08.49 | gb2 | i'm failing to build things because the sites containing sources are down, which is somewhat frustrating. But, atleast i know what's wrong with it. |
| 01:09.16 | treke | speaking of which. I need to upload my most recent source mirror |
| 01:09.57 | drakonite | ljp, TT ? |
| 01:10.22 | gb2 | though, poking at my zaurus is certainly more fun than beating my head over the fpga at work |
| 01:11.34 | ljp | trolltech |
| 01:11.41 | drakonite | ooh, ok |
| 01:20.37 | ljp | with magic. it is really just chanting 'great-googli-moogli' and you are seeing the result |
| 01:21.21 | drakonite | lol |
| 01:22.06 | drakonite | well, i've seen other bootup logo magic that work using modified image files that cause areas to be drawn multiple times... |
| 01:22.58 | kergoth | read the LogoScreen bits of fbcon in the kenrel sources |
| 01:23.28 | drakonite | thanks kergoth |
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| 01:28.34 | TCMAN | hi |
| 01:29.25 | W8TVI | hey TCMAN |
| 01:39.39 | W8TVI | any idea what opie-launcher's tab editer is called? |
| 01:53.38 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.57 | W8TVI | heh |
| 01:54.10 | W8TVI | I need to buy a Monopoly game then |
| 01:54.21 | chouimat | W8TVI: less expensive ;) |
| 01:55.52 | chouimat | kergoth: go to sleep |
| 02:01.30 | mewyn | you can get what's known as cheapass money |
| 02:02.18 | mewyn | http://www.cheapass.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CAG&Product_Code=CAG910 |
| 02:03.29 | TCMAN | or chinese paper money :) |
| 02:03.41 | W8TVI | heh |
| 02:05.06 | TCMAN | IBM should have bought some SCO stock in the beginning, and dump it now :) |
| 02:06.58 | W8TVI | heh |
| 02:08.50 | mewyn | i should request a sco invoice |
| 02:09.09 | W8TVI | yeah? |
| 02:09.25 | TCMAN | invoice should specify what you are paying for ? |
| 02:09.39 | TCMAN | but they will probably put "license" there and thats it |
| 02:09.45 | mewyn | yah |
| 02:09.59 | drakonite | this is going to make me sound pretty stupid I'm sure.. but I'm new to linux colabortaive programing.. but, how would I make a patch against a change I made in opie? |
| 02:10.10 | mewyn | but it may be useful in a pinch. like when you run out of TP |
| 02:10.24 | TCMAN | drakonite: you need two trees, original one and modified one |
| 02:10.30 | kergoth | drakonite: diff -urNd opie-original opie-current |
| 02:10.39 | kergoth | you can use cvs diff -u also, but it doesnt show added files, only modified ones |
| 02:10.42 | TCMAN | and then diff original_tree modifed_tree |
| 02:10.45 | kergoth | which is rather annoything |
| 02:10.49 | kergoth | not just diff, use urNd |
| 02:11.12 | TCMAN | drakonite: yeah, do what kergoth says |
| 02:11.30 | TCMAN | all this little options are important :) |
| 02:11.36 | kergoth | itd be _really_ nice if cvs diff -uN would show new files |
| 02:11.51 | TCMAN | like they couldnt make them fscking default :) |
| 02:12.00 | drakonite | ok... so for my one line modification i need to copy the entire opie directory to opie-new, make my modification there, and then run "diff -urNd opie opie-new" ? |
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| 02:12.08 | kergoth | echo "alias diff='diff -urNd'" >> ~/.bashrc |
| 02:12.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:12.17 | TCMAN | drakonite: just run it on one file then |
| 02:12.24 | kergoth | drakonite: you modified an existing file? just use cvs diff -u > patch |
| 02:12.40 | TCMAN | but everyone uses unified diff, dont they ? |
| 02:12.52 | kergoth | .. yeah, that whats -u is |
| 02:13.08 | kergoth | oh, you mean they should maek it default? |
| 02:13.09 | kergoth | i agree |
| 02:13.13 | TCMAN | "historic reasons" :))) |
| 02:13.18 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:13.19 | drakonite | kergoth, ok. modify it in the buildroot source directory then and do that in buildroot/source/opie ? |
| 02:13.33 | kergoth | drakonite: ? modify it in _any_ opie tree |
| 02:13.39 | kergoth | because any opie tree you have was pulled from cvs |
| 02:13.41 | kergoth | cd opie |
| 02:13.45 | kergoth | cvs diff -u > patch |
| 02:14.04 | drakonite | kergoth, ok.. I didn't know if the extra cvs junk was copied to the build dir or not.. |
| 02:14.15 | kergoth | it is |
| 02:14.29 | kergoth | that isnt the case for BK downloads though, only cvs |
| 02:14.42 | kergoth | because buildroot is a bk repos, it goes berserk dropping another bk tree within it |
| 02:15.22 | TCMAN | what devil made you use bk ? |
| 02:16.07 | TCMAN | is there any rationale for this |
| 02:16.26 | TCMAN | if you didnt like cvs perforce is better, or maybe subversion |
| 02:16.36 | kergoth | svn corrupts repositories |
| 02:16.42 | kergoth | and cvs is _NOWHERE_ near what we need |
| 02:16.44 | TCMAN | though perforce costs money |
| 02:16.49 | kergoth | opie will likely be switching to bk as well |
| 02:16.56 | drakonite | cvs diff: authorization failed: server cvs.handhelds.org rejected access to /cvs for user anoncvs |
| 02:16.56 | drakonite | cvs diff: used empty password; try "cvs login" with a real password |
| 02:17.11 | TCMAN | i dont want to go through whole bk registration crap |
| 02:17.11 | kergoth | CVS_PASSFILE=/path/to/your/buildroot/.cvspass cvs diff -u > patch |
| 02:17.17 | kergoth | then dont. |
| 02:17.23 | drakonite | thanks |
| 02:17.51 | TCMAN | but i want to "help" :) |
| 02:18.06 | kergoth | use a snapshot and submit patches then |
| 02:18.12 | TCMAN | ehh |
| 02:18.30 | kergoth | not easy, but i'm not going to stop using the best tool for the job] |
| 02:18.31 | TCMAN | i will, i will |
| 02:18.54 | TCMAN | is bk really so cool ? |
| 02:19.06 | TCMAN | how does it compare to perforce ? |
| 02:19.17 | zar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.23 | kergoth | from what i heare its a viable competitor to perforce & clearcase |
| 02:19.37 | kergoth | though i do love clearcase's spiffy graphical views |
| 02:19.40 | TCMAN | clearcase is supposed to be crap :) |
| 02:19.51 | kergoth | bk has nice gui apps within a repository, but doesnt do so well from a higher level |
| 02:20.33 | TCMAN | how about resolving conflicts and merges ? and branching ? |
| 02:21.02 | kergoth | its very very good at handling merges & conflicts |
| 02:21.03 | TCMAN | uhh, i have to go |
| 02:21.06 | kergoth | handles multiple merges |
| 02:21.08 | kergoth | 3 way merges |
| 02:21.09 | TCMAN | great |
| 02:21.13 | kergoth | branching is easy, you jsut clone another tree |
| 02:21.16 | kergoth | every tree has all the metadata |
| 02:21.22 | TCMAN | maybe i should try it |
| 02:21.22 | kergoth | so every developer has a copy of all the history |
| 02:21.27 | kergoth | if upstream gets corrupt, no big deal |
| 02:21.27 | TCMAN | nice |
| 02:21.30 | kergoth | you just clone a new one from yours |
| 02:21.36 | kergoth | (we've had to do that before) |
| 02:21.37 | TCMAN | bb in a hour |
| 02:22.09 | drakonite | kergoth, only problem with that is it makes the local tree's huge ;) |
| 02:22.17 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:22.22 | kergoth | and clones from upstream take a long fucking time |
| 02:22.28 | kergoth | but once you have one local tree, branching is great |
| 02:22.34 | kergoth | bk clone -l uses hard links between them to reduce space |
| 02:26.51 | drakonite | kergoth, to make buildroot automagically apply patches I put a copy in packages/opie.. and then modify packages/opie/Makefile to have the patch listed under sources and is that it? |
| 02:27.01 | kergoth | yup |
| 02:27.03 | kergoth | thats it |
| 02:27.06 | drakonite | I can't find a spot where it applies patches.. is it automatic then? |
| 02:27.10 | kergoth | its automatic |
| 02:27.15 | kergoth | vi Rules.make if you're feeling daring |
| 02:27.42 | W8TVI | hey kergoth, would the kernel you use happen to be stable enough to use with 3.2? and would it happen to be a debuging model? |
| 02:27.52 | kergoth | read the topic. |
| 02:27.56 | kergoth | err |
| 02:27.59 | kergoth | topic of #openzaurus that is |
| 02:28.33 | W8TVI | ah |
| 02:28.36 | drakonite | cool. thanks. |
| 02:28.39 | W8TVI | what would "TS" be? |
| 02:28.43 | kergoth | touchscreen |
| 02:28.54 | W8TVI | oh :) |
| 02:28.58 | kergoth | we had some problems with it previously |
| 02:29.03 | W8TVI | I know |
| 02:29.05 | kergoth | due to major major driver restructuring that RMK did |
| 02:30.03 | W8TVI | if I wanted to try out the kernel with my copy of 3.2, would it run? |
| 02:30.15 | W8TVI | sdmmc support excluded |
| 02:30.15 | kergoth | you wont have any of the 2.4.21 kernel modules on your rootfs |
| 02:30.23 | kergoth | so you wont have a lot of things |
| 02:30.43 | W8TVI | but will it mess up anything trying to boot? |
| 02:30.53 | kergoth | dunno |
| 02:30.54 | kergoth | havent tries |
| 02:30.55 | kergoth | tried |
| 02:31.02 | kergoth | worst case it fails and you reflsah the kernel again |
| 02:31.05 | kergoth | no biggie |
| 02:31.19 | W8TVI | ah |
| 02:31.19 | W8TVI | k |
| 02:31.41 | W8TVI | well, I'll let you know |
| 02:32.20 | zar | can you just flash the kernel and not initrd |
| 02:32.28 | kergoth | yes |
| 02:32.29 | W8TVI | I know |
| 02:32.33 | kergoth | you can flash them independently |
| 02:32.38 | zar | cool |
| 02:32.50 | drakonite | you can? |
| 02:32.53 | W8TVI | I just wanted to know if I'd mess up anything if I tried to boot |
| 02:32.55 | zar | then ya have to copy the modules |
| 02:33.03 | W8TVI | well I've been doing it |
| 02:33.12 | kergoth | drakonite: yes. just drop a zImage or initrd.bin and flash |
| 02:33.28 | drakonite | kergoth, oh. I didn't think it'd flash unless you had both. |
| 02:33.51 | kergoth | heh, read the original flash instructions |
| 02:33.56 | kergoth | on more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 02:34.05 | kergoth | old school, thats the site we had when the 5000d had just came out |
| 02:34.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:37.00 | W8TVI | Sharp Developer Community Relaunched at |
| 02:37.01 | W8TVI | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/ |
| 02:37.09 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:37.56 | drakonite | kergoth, which corner of the screen on the zaurus is 0,0 ? (5500 i mean..) |
| 02:38.41 | kergoth | depends |
| 02:39.16 | zar | wouldnt it be top left |
| 02:39.32 | W8TVI | cool... flashing the test kernel...done |
| 02:40.00 | kergoth | depends. do you mean 0,0 of the actual framebuffer? qt's 0,0? |
| 02:40.05 | drakonite | i'm looking at that logo stuff in the kernel, and part of it seems to have one side being y=0, and another part seems have have the opposite side being y=0... and its' in the same look. |
| 02:40.06 | kergoth | qt's is post rotation |
| 02:40.07 | drakonite | framebuffer. |
| 02:40.49 | W8TVI | it tried to start oopie |
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| 02:43.27 | W8TVI | weird.. it starte opie the other way than what opie normaly shows it rotaed |
| 02:43.44 | kergoth | it picked it up as a different device |
| 02:43.59 | kergoth | the old odevice did a stupid check, doesnt work on the new kernel |
| 02:44.06 | kergoth | check sysinfo, you'll see what i mean |
| 02:44.06 | drakonite | i'm probably just reading it wrong.. that's why I'm asking which corner ;) is it the corner closest to the power light? |
| 02:44.30 | kergoth | dunno off the top of my head, but i doubt it |
| 02:44.57 | W8TVI | whats pcap for? |
| 02:45.13 | W8TVI | do I need it for hostap drivers? |
| 02:48.31 | collord | PacketCAPture. no. |
| 02:48.56 | W8TVI | what about with kismet? |
| 02:50.16 | collord | yes |
| 02:50.53 | W8TVI | theres a kismet with and one with out pcap, |
| 02:51.24 | W8TVI | I'm just confused about what difernce to makes |
| 02:51.55 | W8TVI | d'oh! |
| 02:52.13 | W8TVI | when I tried the new kernel it cleared the ramdisk |
| 02:52.47 | kergoth | heh, new kernel doesnt have mtdram enabled at all |
| 02:52.49 | kergoth | forgot to mention that |
| 02:53.06 | chouimat | kergoth: hmmm |
| 02:53.14 | W8TVI | grrr @ kergoth |
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| 02:55.50 | TCMAN | re |
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| 03:02.47 | kergoth | man, i'm so out of practice in gaming |
| 03:02.50 | kergoth | gettin my ass handed to me |
| 03:03.01 | treke|home | good plan |
| 03:03.12 | treke|home | what are you playing? |
| 03:03.30 | kergoth | gran turismo 3 atm |
| 03:03.33 | kergoth | keep spinning out :) |
| 03:03.47 | kergoth | getting better though |
| 03:03.52 | W8TVI | kergoth, why would it show only 6000k avalable on the ram disk? |
| 03:03.53 | treke|home | great game |
| 03:04.08 | treke|home | W8TVI: you want the obvious answer? |
| 03:04.12 | kergoth | W8TVI: uh, i told you, there is no ramdisk on 2.4.21 atm |
| 03:04.49 | W8TVI | I reflashed to one of the 3.2 kernels |
| 03:05.33 | ljp | make -j20 is fun |
| 03:07.46 | treke|home | kergoth: is grand turismo 3 a ps2 or ps1 game? |
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| 03:10.56 | W8TVI | is there an easy way to reset the ram disk? |
| 03:11.54 | W8TVI | or just flash a new kernel thats not the same size split? |
| 03:11.59 | Bala | like totally reset it?? back to the fresh install? |
| 03:12.04 | W8TVI | now |
| 03:12.05 | W8TVI | no |
| 03:12.37 | W8TVI | I just want to make ramdisk over again |
| 03:13.05 | drakonite | treke|home, PS2.. one of my favorite games... although i haven't played it in months... |
| 03:13.19 | W8TVI | just as if I I flashed a new kernel with a split thats not the same as what I had been using |
| 03:16.28 | W8TVI | never mind... I'll just flash a new kernel... |
| 03:16.52 | W8TVI | maybe I'll use the 64/0 split |
| 03:17.19 | ljp | can I get buildroot to do make -j20 ? |
| 03:18.18 | Bala | they get mad at me at work when i -j20 my builds :) |
| 03:19.13 | drakonite | ljp, i think you can but whenever i use -j it skips packages |
| 03:20.43 | ljp | thats silly |
| 03:23.18 | gb2 | make -j20 isn't silly if you have a nice cluster with distcc ;) |
| 03:23.28 | imk | kergoth: libpcap is in the buildroot, right? what switches do you use to compile it with? |
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| 03:34.50 | gb2 | heh |
| 03:35.09 | gb2 | i'm still waiting for the sites to come back up so i can build things |
| 03:35.34 | drakonite | what are you not able to download? |
| 03:39.35 | gb2 | all the stuff from busybox.net |
| 03:39.42 | gb2 | it went down this morning |
| 03:39.45 | drakonite | oh |
| 03:39.57 | gb2 | and on another project, a whole pile of stuff from *.gnu.org |
| 03:40.19 | gb2 | there's a readme there which says "these are gone while we verify their authenticity" |
| 03:40.28 | gb2 | which is a little scary |
| 03:41.30 | drakonite | ick.. me makes mental note to backup source before deleting it... |
| 03:42.45 | gb2 | there are rumors some gnu machines were 0wn3d for a significant period of time |
| 03:42.57 | drakonite | if it's just a file or two that I'd have i'll try dcc sending them to you if you want. |
| 03:43.14 | drakonite | ah... that's not good. hopefully it all gets sorted out soon |
| 03:43.16 | gb2 | nah.. it's a bit more than that |
| 03:43.33 | gb2 | hopefully the busybox/uclibc server will be back soon |
| 03:43.38 | gb2 | their websites are down too |
| 03:43.58 | gb2 | the gnu stuff has been gone for about a week |
| 03:44.36 | kergoth | hey, gran turismo 3 has a benz slk 230 kompressor? never noticed |
| 03:44.43 | drakonite | a week? wow... I thought i redownloaded stuff since then... |
| 03:45.01 | drakonite | kergoth, yup.. it isn't very good compared to the other cars you can get for the price though ;)... in racing terms. |
| 03:45.28 | kergoth | yeah well, its a benz. what do you expect |
| 03:45.29 | kergoth | cost wise |
| 03:45.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:45.43 | drakonite | hehe |
| 03:46.18 | kergoth | hey drakonite, you know any motorcycle racing games? preferably street, not offroad |
| 03:47.15 | drakonite | kergoth, ummm... realistic? street racing-ish or motorcycle ciruit type? |
| 03:47.58 | W8TVI | I do... it has both street and dirt |
| 03:47.59 | gb2 | not all the gnu stuff has been removed |
| 03:48.03 | gb2 | alpha.gnu.org is down |
| 03:48.05 | kergoth | either |
| 03:48.07 | mewyn | kergoth: you ever think about getting an xm pcr? |
| 03:48.07 | W8TVI | its called motoracer |
| 03:48.18 | gb2 | and some, but not all, of ftp.gnu.org |
| 03:48.18 | kergoth | mewyn: havent really thought about it.. |
| 03:48.32 | drakonite | W8TVI, is motoracer out for PS2? |
| 03:48.36 | mewyn | kergoth: i think i my go about writing auto song recording sw for it :) |
| 03:48.50 | W8TVI | um... I'm not sure... you can get it for pc |
| 03:49.07 | kergoth | i used to play motoracer, the first one, all the time on my pc |
| 03:49.08 | W8TVI | you might be able to find it for ps1... |
| 03:49.12 | kergoth | thats exactly what i'm lookign for for my ps2 |
| 03:49.14 | kergoth | just like that |
| 03:49.15 | W8TVI | cool game |
| 03:49.23 | W8TVI | I still have it |
| 03:49.45 | W8TVI | it came with my 3dfx voodoo ruch card |
| 03:49.51 | W8TVI | rush |
| 03:49.52 | drakonite | i've only seen it on the PC.. but if I saw motoracer for ps1/2 i'd probably try to pick it up. |
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| 03:50.07 | W8TVI | you can get motoracer2 |
| 03:50.09 | W8TVI | I think |
| 03:50.18 | absentiaZ | re |
| 03:50.21 | drakonite | crap... my bro-in-law has a pretty damn good circuit type moto racing game but I can't think of what it's called.. |
| 03:50.30 | absentiaZ | is mickeyl here? |
| 03:51.03 | W8TVI | cool |
| 03:51.09 | W8TVI | theres a motoracer 3 |
| 03:51.24 | imk | what packet type is the Z? bpf? |
| 03:51.30 | W8TVI | http://www.motoracer3.com/ |
| 03:51.55 | imk | i have motogp3 for my ps2 |
| 03:51.56 | imk | hehe |
| 03:52.59 | kergoth | imk: how is it? |
| 03:53.43 | drakonite | hey! i think that's the one my bro-in-law gots... if it is then it's pretty good if you want simulation gameplay |
| 03:54.08 | imk | its nice... pretty impossible to drive if you set everything to realistic... i cant make it around a single turn without dropping the bike, hehe... but with the helper stuff turned on its fun... challenging enough to where you can place 1-5 place... rather than you flying by the computer and never seeing them again or them getting too far ahead of you (like most racing games) |
| 03:54.16 | imk | it gives you a nice feel that youre in a race more |
| 03:54.16 | imk | hehe |
| 03:54.27 | imk | not to mention it looks great... hehe |
| 03:54.40 | kergoth | hmm, i'll have to check that out then |
| 03:54.40 | imk | although it doesnt compare to the overbumpmapped motogp1 on xbox |
| 03:54.46 | imk | (as far asg raphics) |
| 03:56.37 | kergoth | is gran turismo 4 out yet? |
| 03:56.40 | imk | no |
| 03:56.53 | imk | gt4 looks beautiful, i want it :D |
| 03:56.56 | drakonite | wasn't it supposed to come out this spring/summer ? |
| 03:57.30 | imk | http://inexistent.ath.cx:8182/ps2/ps2list.txt <-- a list of my games for ps2... and if anyone cares... a screenshot of my ps2 in 1080i running linux --> http://inexistent.ath.cx:8182/ps2/1080i.png |
| 03:57.56 | kergoth | nice. i just picked mine up last weekend. last console i owned before this was my ancient snes |
| 03:57.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:59.10 | drakonite | i miss a lot of the great snes games... |
| 03:59.28 | W8TVI | I've had 2 snes's |
| 03:59.33 | W8TVI | both of them stoped working |
| 03:59.50 | imk | i have all the snes roms |
| 03:59.58 | imk | http://inexistent.ath.cx:8182/emulator_stuff/SNESHave.txt |
| 04:00.35 | drakonite | imk, err... want to share the love? ;) |
| 04:01.03 | W8TVI | whats a good ssh copy program? |
| 04:01.15 | kergoth | i miss f-zero, almost bought a GC just for that for when it comes out |
| 04:01.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:01.23 | kergoth | well that & zelda |
| 04:01.51 | drakonite | W8TVI, scp ? |
| 04:01.56 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 04:01.58 | W8TVI | for windows |
| 04:02.04 | kergoth | not alot of choices |
| 04:02.06 | kergoth | theres winscp |
| 04:02.09 | kergoth | and cygwin scp |
| 04:02.12 | kergoth | he |
| 04:02.13 | kergoth | h |
| 04:02.18 | drakonite | *sniff* i am sooo close to renting a gc and zelda for a while... |
| 04:02.29 | kergoth | drakonite: tempting isnt it? |
| 04:02.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:02.56 | kergoth | there any good gaming magazines nowadays? |
| 04:02.59 | drakonite | kergoth, yup.. Although I keep myself at bay by remember that I didn't like the second zelda on n64 very much... |
| 04:03.17 | W8TVI | starfox... |
| 04:03.19 | W8TVI | :) |
| 04:03.42 | imk | hehe |
| 04:03.50 | W8TVI | I have starfox for my dead snes |
| 04:05.55 | chouimat | if she can keep Bob while I'm in prague |
| 04:18.12 | kergoth | whats a good ps2 street fighting style game? |
| 04:18.53 | drakonite | kergoth, what do you mean by street fighting? |
| 04:19.14 | kergoth | i mean, virtua fighter, soul caliber, mortal kombat, "street fighter", that sort of deal |
| 04:19.30 | treke|home | <choumat> If you take care of my pussy I'll take care of yours |
| 04:19.37 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:20.06 | drakonite | hehe... well... virtualfighter 4 is one of my favorite... the new mortal kombat game is ok, but a little dissapointing.. |
| 04:20.12 | drakonite | hehe |
| 04:20.50 | kergoth | that sucks. i loved the originals back in the day |
| 04:21.18 | treke|home | I hear they actually invented new characters for mk4 |
| 04:21.32 | treke|home | instead of just adding the same person with a different color 8 times |
| 04:22.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:22.36 | imk | i thought the new mortal kombat was actually pretty good |
| 04:22.37 | imk | it came a long way |
| 04:22.43 | drakonite | treke|home, yup, they did |
| 04:22.58 | kergoth | wonder if soul caliber 2 is any good |
| 04:23.04 | kergoth | liked the original on the dreamcast |
| 04:23.40 | drakonite | imk, yeah... if you completely ignore the fatalities the new MK is pretty good, but if you try to watch the fatalities and some of the other 'classic' mk elements it just seems bad... |
| 04:24.12 | imk | well yeah... the fatalities were a bit of a let down... nothing really new or innovative... |
| 04:24.24 | imk | the moves and fighting styles and combos are definately nice |
| 04:24.40 | kergoth | I should hit up blockbuster this weekend |
| 04:24.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:25.48 | drakonite | ah yes.. the fighting styles and how the moves were done was very nice. still ended up with a couple characters having stupid near-juggle combos though |
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| 04:37.41 | W8TVI | cool... 23mb ram free |
| 04:40.39 | chouimat | night |
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| 05:40.52 | W8TVI | kergoth: I went back to the 24/40 split and now I have no ram drive |
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| 05:58.41 | W8TVI | anyone? |
| 06:10.08 | W8TVI | does anyone know how to create the ext2 ramdisk? |
| 06:11.37 | ljp | sleep |
| 06:12.06 | W8TVI | I dont want to have to reflash the root fs |
| 06:12.47 | W8TVI | all I want is a stupid blank ram disk |
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| 06:18.34 | treke|home | kergoth: btw, new oe images should work out of the box with usb-eth |
| 06:21.22 | W8TVI | treke|home, any idea for my problem? |
| 06:21.32 | treke|home | no |
| 06:21.44 | treke|home | not that I know what your problem is |
| 06:23.21 | W8TVI | my ramdisk is gone |
| 06:23.35 | W8TVI | and I dont know how to recreate it |
| 06:35.16 | W8TVI | ljp: do you know where opie-addressbook, opie-calender keep thier data? |
| 06:39.59 | ljp | I think in ~/Application |
| 06:40.42 | W8TVI | d'oh! |
| 06:41.03 | W8TVI | I looked past that stupid folder sevral times |
| 06:41.26 | W8TVI | thanks |
| 06:41.56 | W8TVI | I'm going to backup my datafiles and reflash the z to stock OZ rom and start over from there... |
| 06:42.10 | W8TVI | I really need to get another 5500 just to mess with... |
| 06:42.11 | W8TVI | lol |
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| 07:05.25 | ljp | hopefully, openembedded will do better with make -j 26 than buildroot-oz does |
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| 07:57.51 | andersee | ljp: make -j 26? Geez, how many cpus are in your box? |
| 08:06.46 | Harlekin | teambuilder cluster |
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| 08:32.13 | hcl | hmmm |
| 08:32.31 | hcl | i seem to be missing ipks.in in the output directory.. how can i create it..? |
| 08:33.30 | hcl | strange |
| 08:33.32 | hcl | nm, got it |
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| 09:46.46 | mickeyl | morning pb_ |
| 09:46.55 | pb_ | hi mickey |
| 09:54.05 | Twiun | hi guys |
| 09:54.15 | mickeyl | morning Twiun |
| 09:55.07 | pb_ | hi Twiun |
| 09:59.58 | Twiun | I read that there was a bootmenu in progress, do we know what it's based on? |
| 10:14.21 | Twiun | as I'm still thinking of that start-time menu |
| 10:16.30 | mickeyl | bootmenu would be spiffy |
| 10:16.39 | mickeyl | kergoth knows someone working on that |
| 10:16.40 | mickeyl | no idea hwom |
| 10:16.42 | mickeyl | whom |
| 10:19.40 | Twiun | think we could use the bootmenu instead of a startmenu? |
| 10:20.00 | Twiun | if so, we can drop the startmenu idea |
| 10:27.39 | mickeyl | yup |
| 10:28.24 | Twiun | great, I'll start thinking of something else to do |
| 10:28.38 | Twiun | what's the status of the lsh, dropbear and openssh stuff? |
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| 11:38.05 | Twiun | wb |
| 11:39.58 | mickeyl | thanx |
| 11:40.08 | mickeyl | status is: |
| 11:40.19 | mickeyl | dropbear is working, but doesn't contain client side |
| 11:40.29 | mickeyl | lhs-client looks not good (imho) |
| 11:40.38 | mickeyl | scp could be taken from openssh |
| 11:41.11 | mickeyl | so the combination dropbear/server and openssh/client should be tested and size-optimized |
| 11:43.54 | pb_ | sounds good. |
| 11:44.07 | pb_ | what's the problem with lsh-client: just excessive dependencies, or something else? |
| 11:45.52 | mickeyl | pb_: 1.) the dependencies which add quote a bit 2.) the lcp needs bash on the remote side |
| 11:46.01 | mickeyl | s/quote/up quite |
| 11:46.23 | pb_ | mickeyl: aha, right |
| 11:50.57 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 11:51.41 | Twiun | and the openssh client can't use dropbear I take it? |
| 11:51.48 | Twiun | doh |
| 11:51.55 | Twiun | I should read up a bit |
| 11:52.00 | Twiun | *and* think |
| 11:52.10 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 11:52.27 | mickeyl | well ideally we just need someone to write up a lightweight ssh client on top of dropbear. |
| 11:52.35 | mickeyl | on top of its libs, that is |
| 11:53.17 | pb_ | right. |
| 11:53.40 | pb_ | maybe I will have a go at this in my copious spare time. |
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| 12:58.04 | absentia | re |
| 13:05.55 | hcl | hmm.. does the experimental 2.4.21 support sd/mmc yet? |
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| 13:12.18 | Twiun | hcl: of course not |
| 13:12.26 | Twiun | hcl: but id does work |
| 13:12.29 | Twiun | s/id/it |
| 13:14.05 | hcl | hm |
| 13:14.07 | hcl | k |
| 13:14.26 | hcl | what ever happened to the 2.4.18 kernel anyways? |
| 13:14.27 | absentia | I thought it did ... support it and work ? |
| 13:16.23 | hcl | ah well |
| 13:18.09 | _PsyWork | ibot: sukoshi |
| 13:18.09 | | _PsyWork: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 13:18.46 | _PsyWork | ibot: botmail for sukoshi email moi au colsen@sympatico.ca javais une question sur ton kernel de c700, merci |
| 13:28.37 | Twiun | treke|home: I've finally done 'the right' thing, and installed cygwin/XFree86 on my windows box ;) |
| 13:28.41 | Twiun | treke|home: instead of running that java x server |
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| 14:07.33 | Masticator | so this is cool, it looks like the softfield is a good platform |
| 14:07.36 | Masticator | it has CF storage |
| 14:07.41 | Masticator | and audio |
| 14:07.49 | Masticator | PS2 keyboard connection |
| 14:07.56 | Masticator | and SD |
| 14:08.02 | Masticator | infared |
| 14:08.38 | W8TVI | weird... |
| 14:08.39 | Masticator | at least we know we can easily flash it now |
| 14:08.42 | W8TVI | Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for opie-mediaplayer2: libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 14:09.11 | W8TVI | I just did a fresh install of OZ 3.2 and upgraded to opie 1.0.0 |
| 14:21.01 | mickeyl | -force-depends |
| 14:33.45 | absentia | hey mickey |
| 14:34.07 | absentia | question -- is there any plan, intention or eta for python 2.3 + modules on your site? |
| 14:34.16 | absentia | pyqt 3.7 (vs 3.5?) |
| 14:34.16 | absentia | etc |
| 14:35.03 | gb2 | grr.. well, with busybox.net coming back up, buildroot gets further. |
| 14:35.12 | gb2 | now it dies trying to build qte |
| 14:35.16 | gb2 | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `sourcetrees'. Stop. |
| 14:37.04 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:38.40 | W8TVI | mickeyl: did use -force-depends |
| 14:38.55 | W8TVI | it installed and it wont run... |
| 14:40.33 | W8TVI | and I'd try running it from the command line if I knew the command to start it |
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| 15:18.50 | gb2 | oh.. i see the problem. CONFIG_QTE seems to depend on either CONFIG_OPIE or CONFIG_QTOPIA being set |
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| 16:02.33 | W8TVI | it seems everytime I upgrade something on the Z it brakes something |
| 16:03.00 | Twiun | what did you upgrade this time? |
| 16:03.15 | W8TVI | opie |
| 16:03.28 | W8TVI | I reflashed OZ 3.2 |
| 16:03.28 | Twiun | from aqpkg? |
| 16:03.31 | W8TVI | nope |
| 16:03.37 | W8TVI | from the cli |
| 16:03.42 | Twiun | so what broke? |
| 16:04.17 | W8TVI | opie-mediaoplayer2 cant find libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 so it wont install |
| 16:04.49 | W8TVI | when I updated opie it updated it to 1.0.0 |
| 16:05.43 | Twiun | well whoever built that package has a problem with their build environment |
| 16:06.14 | Twiun | I don't think any of our packages should require stdlibc++ |
| 16:06.20 | hcl | hm |
| 16:06.21 | hcl | Cannot open /dev/ts (Invalid argument) |
| 16:06.29 | hcl | i get that when starting opie |
| 16:06.33 | hcl | any ideas why it happens? |
| 16:06.47 | Twiun | kernel version, initrd version, opie version? |
| 16:07.02 | hcl | 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix |
| 16:07.04 | hcl | opie 1.0 |
| 16:07.13 | hcl | home made initrd. |
| 16:07.17 | hcl | from buildroot |
| 16:07.46 | hcl | it all works fine, except that the touchscreen doesnt appear to work in a certain way for some reason |
| 16:07.51 | hcl | let me try to install strace.. |
| 16:08.31 | Twiun | afaik, opie 1.0 needs tslib, which I don't think works under 2.4.6 |
| 16:08.38 | Twiun | but that's just me guessing |
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| 16:08.52 | hcl | it does.. i've used it before with opie 0.99.. |
| 16:09.24 | hcl | but all the ts testing tools dont work either.. |
| 16:09.24 | hcl | hm |
| 16:09.38 | hcl | its not opie.. |
| 16:09.46 | Twiun | hang on sec |
| 16:09.54 | Twiun | where's the 2.4.6 kernel from? |
| 16:10.02 | hcl | homemade too |
| 16:10.13 | Twiun | both made at the same time, right? |
| 16:10.22 | hcl | yes |
| 16:10.34 | Twiun | what does ls -l /dev/ts say? |
| 16:10.59 | hcl | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Jan 1 05:00 /dev/ts -> /dev/sharp_ts |
| 16:11.02 | hcl | root@nirvana:/usr/lib/ipkg# ls -al /dev/sharp_ts |
| 16:11.05 | hcl | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 11, 0 Jan 1 05:00 /dev/sharp_ts |
| 16:11.07 | hcl | root@nirvana:/usr/lib/ipkg# |
| 16:11.46 | Twiun | doesn't tslib use /dev/input/event0 ? |
| 16:12.05 | hcl | dont know.. |
| 16:12.29 | hcl | i'd strace, but i cant download strace at the moment |
| 16:12.51 | Twiun | didn't you build it? |
| 16:13.24 | TheMasterMind1 | in 2.4.6 tslib uses sharp_ts |
| 16:13.24 | hcl | it failed to build.. |
| 16:13.34 | hcl | hmm |
| 16:13.39 | hcl | i might know whats wrong |
| 16:13.46 | hcl | i tried both 2.4.21 and 2.4.6 kernels |
| 16:13.54 | hcl | i might be running a 2.4.21 tslib |
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| 16:14.29 | Twiun | aye |
| 16:14.39 | Twiun | make sure you clean up your output/ipks directory |
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| 16:23.10 | hcl | hm. |
| 16:24.52 | Twiun | urgh. I just installed bk for windows |
| 16:24.56 | Twiun | ugly! |
| 16:28.41 | hcl | igh |
| 16:32.34 | Twiun | hcl: not necessarily |
| 16:32.43 | hcl | i tried just recompiling tslib |
| 16:32.45 | hcl | but.. |
| 16:32.47 | hcl | didnt help |
| 16:32.49 | Twiun | just remove all the kernel modules as well |
| 16:32.58 | hcl | why.. those are all 2.4 |
| 16:33.02 | hcl | i'll just recompile :s |
| 16:33.03 | Twiun | you'll need to remake the kernel at the very least |
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| 16:33.11 | hcl | hm. |
| 16:33.39 | Twiun | if you have both 2.4.6 and 2.4.21 kernel module packages in the ipks dir, you'll get a really mixed installation |
| 16:33.43 | hcl | i know |
| 16:33.44 | hcl | i dont |
| 16:35.41 | hcl | at least everything i had to patch to get it to compile will still be there |
| 16:36.23 | Twiun | as long as you didn't modify anything under the build directory by hand |
| 16:36.28 | hcl | not much |
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| 18:00.22 | absentia | mickeyl... |
| 18:00.34 | absentia | any plans, intentions or ETA on python 2.3 / pyqt 3.7 ... etc? |
| 18:00.44 | absentia | I have 2.3 and 3.7 on everything, 'cept zaurus. |
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| 18:18.39 | mickeyl | absentia: after i returned from holiday, i will forward port Python 2.3 + PyQt 3.8 |
| 18:18.40 | mickeyl | into buildroot |
| 18:19.10 | carsten | :) |
| 18:19.39 | carsten | and when is your holiday? |
| 18:20.44 | chouimat | in 3 months |
| 18:24.32 | mickeyl | next wwek |
| 18:25.29 | Twiun | where are you off to? |
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| 18:26.51 | mickeyl | we are invited to attend a mariage in france |
| 18:29.22 | Twiun | sounds nice :) |
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| 18:33.58 | mickeyl | yeah... my wife is the maid of honour and we have to prepare a song we sing and play *uhm* |
| 18:36.24 | gb2 | grrrr |
| 18:37.50 | kergoth | mickeyl: ugh, been there, done that |
| 18:38.17 | kergoth | best friends wedding was a couple months ago, was the best man, someone had the brilliant idea that we should sing & dance |
| 18:38.28 | kergoth | unfortunately i didnt find the time to beat said person senseless |
| 18:38.33 | TimRiker | http://www.lyonhealy.com/products/lyonhealy/lever/prelude.html <- /me's wife plays one of those |
| 18:38.38 | kergoth | instead i just got incredibly drunk |
| 18:38.51 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah hehe :)) thing is... I'm a pretty good singer and guitar player but my french is absolutely non-existent :) |
| 18:39.00 | treke | kergoth: and how is that different from any other day? |
| 18:39.05 | kergoth | treke: good point |
| 18:39.16 | kergoth | mickeyl: gotcha :) |
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| 18:45.29 | mickeyl | TimRiker: woah! pretty nice harp |
| 18:50.19 | TimRiker | mickeyl: we like it. ;-) |
| 18:51.17 | andersee | TimRiker: she play one when she isn't beating people up |
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| 18:56.38 | gb2 | has anyone built opie with the current buildroot? |
| 18:57.01 | mickeyl | doing that nearly every day |
| 18:57.15 | gb2 | it's failing for me attempting to build qte |
| 18:57.21 | gb2 | patches not applying |
| 18:57.27 | mickeyl | edit .config |
| 18:57.36 | mickeyl | CONFIG_OPIE_TAG="BRANCH_1_0" |
| 18:58.05 | mickeyl | and rebuild your sourcetree |
| 18:58.54 | gb2 | how much do i need to clean? |
| 18:58.59 | mickeyl | opie |
| 18:59.34 | mickeyl | (or just delete the offending qte-234-for-opie-091makefile ;) |
| 18:59.56 | gb2 | hrm. i think i need to nuke some stamps |
| 19:01.17 | mickeyl | d'oh |
| 19:01.46 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:02.25 | gb2 | hrm. still no love. |
| 19:03.25 | kergoth | gb2: you need to mrproper your opie |
| 19:03.28 | TimRiker | andersee: hehe. yep. I need to get some of her blackbelt pictures up. ;-) |
| 19:03.29 | kergoth | gb2: so it repulls from vcs |
| 19:03.53 | gb2 | ok |
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| 19:04.29 | gb2 | how do i run a target for a single package? |
| 19:04.40 | mickeyl | SUBDIRS=packages/<bla> |
| 19:04.46 | gb2 | k. |
| 19:04.58 | mickeyl | no idea if mrproper honors SUBDIRS though... |
| 19:05.10 | kergoth | it does |
| 19:05.21 | gb2 | nuking sources/opie should have the same effect, right? |
| 19:05.32 | mickeyl | + deleting the stamps |
| 19:05.40 | mickeyl | + delete build/opie |
| 19:05.55 | mickeyl | read Rules.make - it's all in there |
| 19:07.47 | gb2 | there's a bug in the oz-base/Makefile which prevents husky builds. 8 spaces instead of a tab. |
| 19:08.52 | mickeyl | fixed. |
| 19:08.57 | mickeyl | that ifdef cascade will die soon |
| 19:09.33 | gb2 | boy am i glad i have ccache installed |
| 19:15.25 | absentia | mickeyl: ok, thank you. I'll wait then. |
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| 19:30.57 | hcl | gb2: yea, i got it to compile |
| 19:31.05 | hcl | had to apply qte patches manually |
| 19:31.24 | gb2 | it seemed to go ok after i did teh BRANCH_1_0 thing |
| 19:31.47 | hcl | hmm, i'll try that soon then :p just restarted from scratch as my buildroot was messed |
| 19:32.05 | gb2 | I initially followed instructions in the faq on openzaurus.org |
| 19:32.27 | gb2 | but the shepherd-opie config didn't have CONFIG_OPIE set |
| 19:32.31 | gb2 | so things were unhappy |
| 19:33.00 | hcl | kergoth: hows progress on getting sd/mmc to work in the new kernel? |
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| 19:51.38 | treke | ok. kernel-headers mirror will be back up shortly. |
| 19:51.51 | treke | Replacing the server with one that autostarts on thursday :p |
| 20:05.29 | gb2 | yeah.. that didn't work too well. |
| 20:05.30 | gb2 | hrm |
| 20:06.05 | gb2 | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for libopieobex0: |
| 20:06.05 | gb2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.06 | gb2 | hrmmm |
| 20:06.37 | pb_ | iirc, that is a packaging error in opie. |
| 20:07.29 | gb2 | looks like it |
| 20:07.31 | gb2 | i have: |
| 20:07.31 | gb2 | qpf-bitstream-vera-full_1.10-3_all.ipk |
| 20:07.32 | gb2 | qpf-bitstream-vera-light_1.10-3_all.ipk |
| 20:07.50 | pb_ | right. "qpf-bitstream-vera" is ambiguous. |
| 20:08.11 | pb_ | there needs to be an explicit dependency on either -full or -light at some point to push ipkg one way or the other. |
| 20:08.22 | gb2 | i'm guessing both of those are supposed to provide qpf-bitstream-vera |
| 20:08.31 | pb_ | indeed they do. |
| 20:08.49 | gb2 | but the image builder has nothing to help it decide, right. |
| 20:08.50 | gb2 | hrm |
| 20:09.42 | gb2 | qpf-bitstream-vera-full is explicitly listed to be included in the image |
| 20:10.20 | pb_ | That sounds like it ought to be good enough. |
| 20:10.36 | treke | rm output/ipks/qpf-bitstream-vera-full* |
| 20:10.39 | treke | or -light |
| 20:10.46 | treke | remove one and it works |
| 20:11.33 | treke | hmmm. wonder what the image builder is written in |
| 20:11.48 | treke | if it's a decent language maybe I'll try fixing the bug |
| 20:12.50 | treke | pb_: my guess is it iterates through the package list and runs ipkg install on it |
| 20:13.01 | gb2 | treke: nope |
| 20:13.06 | treke | so it will hit task-opie before it reaches qpf-bitstream-vera |
| 20:13.07 | gb2 | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for libopieobex0: |
| 20:13.07 | gb2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.10 | gb2 | that's what the error is |
| 20:13.23 | treke | gb2: I told you what to do. Remove one of the qpf-bitstream-vera packages |
| 20:13.30 | gb2 | they're gone |
| 20:13.35 | gb2 | oh.. |
| 20:13.36 | gb2 | one of |
| 20:13.37 | treke | both? |
| 20:14.05 | pb_ | doh :-) |
| 20:14.11 | pb_ | treke: yeah, seems likely. |
| 20:14.42 | treke | looks like it's written in make |
| 20:14.48 | treke | I wont touch that with a 10 foot pole |
| 20:14.59 | pb_ | we could maybe make ipkg a little smarter, so that it can handle this situation if you feed it all the packages at once, but if the building script is installing them one at a time there is nothing ipkg can do to help. |
| 20:15.03 | gb2 | that worked, thanks. |
| 20:18.08 | gb2 | now i'll have to wait till i get home and see if this image actually makes my c760 go |
| 20:19.00 | treke | can someone ban george from #zaurus for a while? |
| 20:19.36 | pb_ | heh |
| 20:19.40 | pb_ | treke: what's he doing? |
| 20:19.51 | treke | pb_: He's being george. |
| 20:19.57 | pb_ | ah, fair enough. |
| 20:20.00 | pb_ | figures |
| 20:20.02 | treke | spamming chat |
| 20:21.27 | Twiun | yeah... actually, get him klined for a few days - give us some peace |
| 20:22.23 | Twiun | whoa. just had a very strange thing happen |
| 20:22.52 | Twiun | Z wouldn't boot _or_ charge but it would happily flash 2.4.21 over and over again... |
| 20:23.04 | Twiun | flashed 2.4.6 and now it's charging happily |
| 20:23.22 | hcl | strange... |
| 20:23.32 | hcl | i got 2.4.21 to run... but sdmmc didnt work, and neither did usbdnet |
| 20:23.45 | Twiun | neither of those work |
| 20:23.47 | Twiun | not yet |
| 20:23.56 | treke | not strange at all |
| 20:23.57 | hcl | i saw a 2.4.18 a while ago though |
| 20:23.57 | treke | :p |
| 20:24.04 | Twiun | .18 isn't .21 ;) |
| 20:24.11 | hcl | treke: what happened to twuin, not me. |
| 20:24.13 | hcl | anyways |
| 20:24.23 | hcl | the 2.4.18, did sdmmc work with that one? |
| 20:24.25 | Twiun | I wonder if the charging code in .21 is broken somehow |
| 20:24.35 | hcl | Twiun: worked here.. |
| 20:24.49 | Twiun | hcl: afaik, the 2.4.18 sdmmc stuff was straight from the Sharp rom, just like 2.4.6 |
| 20:25.17 | hcl | yea.. a while ago i saw a 2.4.18 in the buildroot.. what happened to it? and did sdmmc work in it? |
| 20:25.18 | Twiun | I had the Z disconnected for 4 days and no batteries... maybe it only occurs when the battery is flat |
| 20:25.36 | hcl | im desperate to get a better kernel :s everything below 2.4.9 == crap :s |
| 20:25.40 | hcl | perhaps |
| 20:25.43 | Twiun | I think we jumped 2.4.18 to avoid always being behind the sharp releases |
| 20:25.56 | hcl | oz is still on 2.4.6.. |
| 20:26.04 | Twiun | it's a temporary thing |
| 20:26.08 | hcl | hopefully. |
| 20:26.14 | Twiun | we're obviously working on .21 + opie 1.0 |
| 20:26.35 | hcl | well, opie 1.0 works partly, i just couldnt get tslib to work.. |
| 20:26.54 | Twiun | I got 1.0 working just fine under 2.4.6 - using the opie images that is |
| 20:27.08 | Twiun | but I also have issues with the ts on .21 |
| 20:27.10 | hcl | yea.. im building it now.. |
| 20:27.51 | pb_ | what's magic about 2.4.12? |
| 20:27.55 | kergoth | Twiun: theres a known battery bug |
| 20:27.58 | pb_ | or 2.4.9 for that matter |
| 20:28.04 | kergoth | Twiun: if you full reset, it autosuspends before calling the charge code |
| 20:28.11 | kergoth | Twiun: hit Cancel to turn it on at least once, then let it resuspend |
| 20:28.13 | hcl | pb_: everything below 2.4.9 had serious memory management problems |
| 20:28.19 | hcl | everything below 2.4.12 has a root vuln |
| 20:28.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:28.36 | pb_ | ah. well, root vulnerabilities are usually easy to patch. |
| 20:28.47 | hcl | yea, but the memory management problems arent nice.. |
| 20:29.02 | pb_ | pity the opie users and their 2.4.2 kernel. |
| 20:29.03 | hcl | perhaps they were x86 only, dont know |
| 20:29.07 | pb_ | er, yopy, not opie. |
| 20:29.12 | hcl | mmm |
| 20:30.28 | Twiun | kergoth: ahhhh |
| 20:30.36 | Twiun | kergoth: thought it was something like that |
| 20:31.02 | Twiun | kergoth: problem I had was that it wouldn't turn on at all |
| 20:31.19 | Twiun | kergoth: no combination of resetting/unplugging the battery would help |
| 20:31.28 | Twiun | kergoth: (or pressing cancel) |
| 20:32.30 | hcl | i had that happen.. it turned out i just had to leave it charge for a while first... |
| 20:33.10 | Twiun | but the point here is that it wasn't charging |
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| 20:33.20 | Twiun | or at least the charge led wasn't on |
| 20:33.37 | Twiun | anyway - after that scare, it's charging on 2.4.6 atm |
| 20:33.44 | Twiun | had me worried for a bit |
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| 20:53.00 | kergoth | Twiun: the problem is that the battery driver is out in drivers/misc |
| 20:53.16 | kergoth | Twiun: but our code that autosuspends is far far earlier in the initcall path than the battery init |
| 20:53.24 | kergoth | i'll hack something, no worries. |
| 20:53.36 | kergoth | i hate trying to exert control over the init order of things built monolithically |
| 20:53.41 | kergoth | thats why i love going modular |
| 20:53.44 | kergoth | anyway |
| 20:53.55 | W8TVI | kergoth, is the testing root filesystem usable other than the sd card support? |
| 20:53.56 | drakonite | kergoth, by chance are you commenting about how long it takes to suspend? |
| 20:54.14 | kergoth | no |
| 20:54.23 | W8TVI | I mean sence I have to wait for them to fix opie anyway... |
| 20:54.31 | kergoth | i'm talking about the 2.4.21 bug where it doesnt start charging on the autosuspend prior to the first time you turn it on |
| 20:54.36 | kergoth | W8TVI: fix opie? |
| 20:54.42 | drakonite | oh |
| 20:55.09 | W8TVI | well for one half of the packges are missing depends |
| 20:55.18 | kergoth | W8TVI: eh? |
| 20:55.20 | kergoth | name them. |
| 20:55.23 | W8TVI | maybe not half... but half of the things I want to use |
| 20:55.24 | drakonite | well if you didn't know it takes a _long_ time for the 5500 to suspend. |
| 20:55.36 | kergoth | drakonite: try reading bug reports, or mailing list archives, or chat logs, sometime |
| 20:55.41 | kergoth | drakonite: its only been known for what, 6 months? |
| 20:55.51 | W8TVI | opie-mediaplayer, opie-ftp |
| 20:56.08 | W8TVI | cant remember what the others were... |
| 20:56.20 | drakonite | kergoth, yeesh, sorry. |
| 20:56.46 | kergoth | W8TVI: what about them? |
| 20:56.56 | kergoth | W8TVI: if you dont report the bug, dont expect it to be fixed. |
| 20:57.09 | W8TVI | they know about the bugs |
| 20:57.15 | kergoth | its in mantis? |
| 20:57.19 | W8TVI | "they will be fixed in the next version" |
| 20:57.24 | kergoth | the bugs are in mantis? |
| 20:57.30 | kergoth | i didnt see the reports go through my inbox |
| 20:58.20 | W8TVI | I didn't see the bugs in mantis |
| 20:58.39 | treke | then put them in mantis |
| 20:59.25 | kergoth | yeah. its called a 'bug tracking system' for a reason |
| 20:59.31 | kergoth | .. its for .. tracking bugs! |
| 20:59.41 | W8TVI | :P |
| 21:03.49 | W8TVI | is there a page that tells whats in the initrd.bin for the 2.4.21 kernel? |
| 21:06.49 | kergoth | its a normal collie-opie image |
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| 21:07.08 | W8TVI | k |
| 21:07.31 | W8TVI | refresh my memory, collie = sl-5500 |
| 21:08.00 | kergoth | ibot: collie |
| 21:08.05 | | [collie] sharp sl-5500 and sl-5000d, or a dog |
| 21:08.05 | W8TVI | or not... |
| 21:08.38 | W8TVI | I knew it was writen down somewhere! |
| 21:08.41 | W8TVI | lol |
| 21:11.42 | W8TVI | so the file I'm downloaded is the same one that you download from the OZ site? or is it a newer build? |
| 21:11.51 | kergoth | what? |
| 21:12.01 | kergoth | how the hell would i know what you downloaded? |
| 21:12.14 | W8TVI | let me try that again |
| 21:12.33 | kergoth | the 2.4.21 initrd.bin contains the same _package set_ as 3.2 |
| 21:12.36 | kergoth | it _isnt_ 3.2 |
| 21:12.45 | kergoth | it has opie 1.0, as the openzaurus topic says. |
| 21:12.54 | W8TVI | the initrd.bin from http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/zaurus/collie/ is not the same one from 3.2 then... |
| 21:12.57 | W8TVI | ok |
| 21:21.03 | W8TVI | what did he do this time? :) |
| 21:21.21 | kergoth | W8TVI: of course it isnt. at the very least it would have to have the 2.4.21 modules instead of 2.4.6 |
| 21:21.39 | W8TVI | k |
| 21:50.29 | Twiun | just for laughs |
| 21:50.36 | Twiun | I wonder how much bitrot it's suffered |
| 21:52.38 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:53.20 | Twiun | I suppose I could fix the cvs version to what I had used all that time ago |
| 21:55.26 | Twiun | my main gripe about using JAM as a build tool is that I still haven't found a way to make it fail-fast |
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| 22:02.59 | ljp | its spooky here today, nice a foggy out, and no one else is here cause its a holiday or something |
| 22:04.04 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 22:04.10 | Neo|Work | so what are you doing there? :P |
| 22:04.17 | ljp | working |
| 22:04.23 | ljp | I have one chair at my house |
| 22:04.33 | ljp | nothing there really |
| 22:04.38 | ljp | no internet |
| 22:11.37 | W8TVI_ | I see how the TS is still needs some work on the de-jitter... |
| 22:19.35 | W8TVI | hmm... cant get the input to work good enough for me to do stuff on it... :( |
| 22:20.07 | W8TVI | but its very cool to see it work as well as it is |
| 22:23.01 | W8TVI | what version of light and power is that on the 2.4.21 rom? |
| 22:23.06 | W8TVI | fs... whatever |
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| 22:28.03 | W8TVI | cool |
| 22:28.42 | W8TVI | it seems that the console keyboard support works really good |
| 22:32.11 | mickeyl | ? |
| 22:34.43 | kergoth | mickeyl: he's testing 2.4.21 on collie |
| 22:34.57 | kergoth | console keyboard is superior becuse it doesnt have a shitty keymap like sharp's 2.4.6 |
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| 22:36.26 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah - _that_ console support. nice - even if keycodes are missing. |
| 22:36.52 | mickeyl | so we'll get standard keymap support for foreign languages on .21-cl |
| 22:37.46 | kergoth | keycodes missing? |
| 22:37.51 | kergoth | that keymap is fully populated. |
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| 22:38.08 | mickeyl | kergoth: is it? since when? |
| 22:38.23 | mickeyl | last time i checked was the image from tmm |
| 22:40.07 | kergoth | it was fully populated then too. |
| 22:40.14 | kergoth | read the keymap |
| 22:40.23 | kergoth | every combination sharp outlines in their keymap pdf is reflected. |
| 22:40.48 | kergoth | i know, because it took a long fucking time to do |
| 22:41.04 | mickeyl | wouldn't question your authority on such things ;) |
| 22:41.21 | Neo|Work | ljp: heh |
| 22:41.29 | Neo|Work | ljp: so go get your house furnished. :P |
| 22:41.45 | ljp | waiting for a paycheck. ;) |
| 22:41.53 | ljp | comes but once a month |
| 22:41.56 | kergoth | mickeyl: so if something isnt working, i dont know why. the keymap file does reflect all the combinations. |
| 22:41.59 | Neo|Work | heh, ok. :) |
| 22:42.12 | mickeyl | kergoth: actually, half of the keys didn't work in qt |
| 22:42.13 | Neo|Work | I'll be living in a motel for perhaps 4-6 weeks |
| 22:42.22 | kergoth | mickeyl: thats expected |
| 22:42.33 | mickeyl | kergoth: translation table? |
| 22:42.42 | kergoth | mickeyl: the qt keyboard handler is translating raw keycodes -> qt keycodes, not _post-mapping_ keycodes -> qt keycodes |
| 22:42.48 | kergoth | mickeyl: someone needs to write a new table |
| 22:43.22 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah. got it. |
| 22:43.35 | W8TVI | not me... |
| 22:43.46 | W8TVI | I run a liunx firewall |
| 22:43.47 | mewyn | all the labs here are shut down because of it |
| 22:43.59 | mewyn | persumably coming from the inside |
| 22:47.00 | mewyn | i really need to figure out how to get java running on this machine |
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| 22:50.00 | W8TVI | why dont number lock work? |
| 22:51.54 | kergoth | why? because i didnt implement it. |
| 22:52.28 | W8TVI | :( |
| 22:52.38 | kergoth | Patches Welcome. |
| 22:52.45 | W8TVI | heh |
| 22:52.54 | ljp | hm, you have been hanging around tim too long |
| 22:53.02 | W8TVI | I knew how, I'd be glad to.. |
| 22:53.14 | W8TVI | but I don't, so I won't... |
| 22:53.34 | W8TVI | cool |
| 22:53.55 | W8TVI | I ssh'ed into my server and started up lynx :) |
| 22:54.08 | ljp | use links, its better |
| 22:54.19 | W8TVI | dont have links on it |
| 22:54.30 | kergoth | mm links |
| 22:55.52 | W8TVI | well the Netgear MA701 works with the new kernel |
| 22:56.04 | W8TVI | if anyone asks |
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| 22:56.23 | TCMAN | hi |
| 22:56.27 | W8TVI | TCMAN! |
| 22:56.32 | TCMAN | W8TVI: ! |
| 22:56.56 | W8TVI | so... |
| 22:57.21 | W8TVI | have you hired the nabor kid to break youyr server yet? |
| 22:57.35 | TCMAN | mickeyl: so i have an idea how to make image little better |
| 22:57.47 | mickeyl | TCMAN: sounds good. tell me |
| 22:57.51 | TCMAN | there is a lot of noise coming from ccd |
| 22:58.27 | TCMAN | basicaly there are hot pixels, dark pixels, and static noise because of differences in process and dynamic noise |
| 22:58.46 | mickeyl | yes, especially in poor lightened situations |
| 22:58.59 | TCMAN | it should be possible to calibrate the sensors though |
| 22:59.22 | TCMAN | by taking pictures of complete black |
| 22:59.33 | TCMAN | and possibly white |
| 22:59.48 | TCMAN | complete black at last would get rid of hot pixels |
| 23:00.12 | TCMAN | white and neutral shade of gray would be good for calibrating tiny differences |
| 23:00.31 | TCMAN | but its harder to get test picture, black is just covering the lens |
| 23:01.08 | TCMAN | so the simples way would be to take couple black shots, detect hot pixels and subtract them from final picture |
| 23:01.15 | TCMAN | what do you guys think ? |
| 23:01.40 | mickeyl | that sounds interesting and to a certain extent doable. |
| 23:01.47 | mickeyl | however |
| 23:02.13 | kergoth | eh, the "black" shot wont be perfectly black |
| 23:02.15 | kergoth | good luck |
| 23:02.34 | mickeyl | i don't think it would really improve the picture much and i question the sanity if implementing a picture noise filtering algorithm on a Z |
| 23:02.48 | mickeyl | it is way too slow for such things |
| 23:03.04 | TCMAN | for hot pixels its not really noise filtering |
| 23:03.16 | TCMAN | just one preprocessing stage for people who care |
| 23:03.35 | TCMAN | and then simple subtract operation on whole image |
| 23:03.36 | mickeyl | TCMAN: right. i find that interesting. want to implement it? |
| 23:04.11 | TCMAN | mickeyl: as soon as i learn how to build whole buildroot, i managed it only once so far :) |
| 23:04.36 | mickeyl | TCMAN: okay. that's only a question of time :) |
| 23:04.37 | TCMAN | i guess i used lucky snapshot :) becuase next one didnt build :) |
| 23:05.00 | mickeyl | TCMAN: how 'bout just downloading bk and using it "normally" ? |
| 23:05.04 | TCMAN | mickeyl: then there is also small matter of storing configuration settings :) |
| 23:05.21 | gb2 | well |
| 23:05.25 | TCMAN | mickeyl: i didnt want to go through bk registration process |
| 23:05.28 | gb2 | my build for my c760 didn't work :( |
| 23:05.34 | gb2 | won't turn on now |
| 23:05.40 | mickeyl | TCMAN: well... they don't want money from you. it is just an email address |
| 23:05.42 | TCMAN | mickeyl: but i see i should |
| 23:05.55 | mickeyl | TCMAN: storing configuration settings is already implemented in cvs. dunno if i made a release since that. |
| 23:05.57 | TCMAN | mickeyl: yeah, i think i will just give them sneakemail address :) |
| 23:06.07 | TCMAN | mickeyl: great |
| 23:06.28 | TCMAN | mickeyl: btw opie-camera is great, much better than stupid sharp application |
| 23:07.22 | mickeyl | TCMAN: I also have a few ideas for improving the frames-per-seconds in video-mode using threaded capturing - but didn't get time to do that. basically, opie-camera was just born out of pure curiosity. didn't do anything with image processing up to then :) |
| 23:08.06 | TCMAN | i am not sure that threading would help, maybe if it does some kind of dma |
| 23:08.26 | mickeyl | TCMAN: no access. proprietary binary-only camera module! |
| 23:08.33 | mickeyl | TCMAN: only chance is @ user level |
| 23:08.40 | mickeyl | or reverse-engineering the protocol |
| 23:08.41 | gb2 | when flashing the filesystem, it counts up to about 60%, then says "Success!" |
| 23:09.04 | pb_ | TCMAN: on a zaurus? probably no dma to expansion cards. |
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| 23:10.24 | Speedy2 | Yo |
| 23:10.31 | pb_ | Yo. |
| 23:10.47 | pb_ | Speedy2: was just about to say that to you in #openzaurus, but I was too slow :-) |
| 23:10.58 | Speedy2 | ;) |
| 23:11.13 | gb2 | hrm |
| 23:11.36 | TCMAN | in that case i hardly see how multithreading would help |
| 23:11.46 | hcl | how do i create output/pkgs.in |
| 23:11.54 | hcl | i had it not be created before. |
| 23:12.21 | pb_ | TCMAN: well, being able to overlap image processing with acquisition (assuming the driver doesn't buffer for you) would be a win. You don't need multithreading for that, of course, but it makes it easier. |
| 23:12.32 | gb2 | oh |
| 23:12.38 | gb2 | it thinks it has a serial console |
| 23:12.39 | gb2 | i bet |
| 23:12.41 | mickeyl | TCMAN: the camera driver takes a long time to capture one image. interleaving that process with storing the image could help |
| 23:12.44 | hcl | ok, nm O.o |
| 23:12.55 | gb2 | CONFIG_CMDLINE="console=ttyS0 root=/dev/mtdblock2" |
| 23:12.56 | gb2 | :( |
| 23:13.04 | TCMAN | multithreading just adds problems with synchronization :) |
| 23:13.27 | mickeyl | nah :) |
| 23:13.35 | TCMAN | mickeyl: if taking a picture involves polling the camera probably not |
| 23:13.46 | TCMAN | mickeyl: seems i should take look at the sources |
| 23:13.48 | pb_ | You could probably use the aio support in glibc to conceal all the multithreading if you wanted. |
| 23:14.21 | mickeyl | TCMAN: feel free to look at all that. i wrote the camera accessor on the base of sharps camera API which was less than rough... |
| 23:14.49 | mickeyl | TCMAN: it didn't even include code... there was a lot of speculation and experimentation needed to get that far. |
| 23:16.03 | TCMAN | mickeyl: all right, do you have public cvs on your site or where is the opie-camera stored ? |
| 23:16.22 | mickeyl | cvs.handhelds.org |
| 23:16.30 | TCMAN | ok, great |
| 23:16.37 | mickeyl | cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/opie/noncore/multimedia/camera |
| 23:16.43 | TCMAN | i'll take look at it in the evening and try out my ideas :) |
| 23:16.49 | mickeyl | good :) |
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| 23:22.06 | gb2 | nope |
| 23:22.12 | gb2 | the console thing wasn't it |
| 23:22.16 | gb2 | my c760 is still a brick :( |
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| 23:24.49 | TCMAN | wow, so there is like TEXT interface to the driver ? |
| 23:25.20 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 23:25.49 | W8TVI | dang it... got to redownload the oz root fs image |
| 23:26.17 | gb2 | hrmm |
| 23:26.31 | TCMAN | amazing |
| 23:26.39 | gb2 | this husky kernel config looks all wrong |
| 23:27.46 | TCMAN | mickeyl: so read just reads whole image in RGB format ? |
| 23:28.05 | TCMAN | mickeyl: and there are couple commands for setting capture mode and checking status ? |
| 23:29.06 | mickeyl | TCMAN: that's it |
| 23:29.20 | TCMAN | mickeyl: simple enough, thanks |
| 23:29.24 | mickeyl | np |
| 23:29.41 | mickeyl | ZImageIO was implemented in a few hours... the real work was the rest ;) |
| 23:44.18 | gb2 | ok.. and yet another kernel attempt |
| 23:44.42 | mickeyl | gb2: what are you doing? husky? |
| 23:44.56 | gb2 | attempting to, yeah |
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| 23:45.16 | mickeyl | ah. iirc no-one got that to boot OZ yet. pioneer work :) |
| 23:45.25 | gb2 | uhhh |
| 23:45.28 | gb2 | nobody has yet? |
| 23:45.29 | gb2 | :| |
| 23:46.38 | gb2 | kergoth said it worked |
| 23:46.53 | kergoth`bbl | mickeyl: eh, sashz is using it on his c760 |
| 23:47.24 | mickeyl | i stand corrected. didn't know. even better. |
| 23:47.27 | gb2 | sofar, the kernel doesn't seem to be working |
| 23:47.42 | gb2 | the shepherd kernel in experimental/ on the website almost works |
| 23:48.10 | kergoth`bbl | gb2: the CONFIG_CMDLINE var in the husky config is incorrect |
| 23:48.18 | kergoth`bbl | gb2: replace it with the version from the shepherd config |
| 23:48.20 | gb2 | kergoth: found that |
| 23:48.28 | gb2 | still no love unfortunately |
| 23:48.30 | kergoth`bbl | odd. |
| 23:48.44 | kergoth`bbl | compare it with build/linux/arch/arm/def-configs/husky |
| 23:48.46 | gb2 | it appears to not turn on |
| 23:48.49 | gb2 | hm |
| 23:48.53 | kergoth`bbl | oh, you need to disable the PARAMS var |
| 23:49.00 | kergoth`bbl | if it isnt already disabled |
| 23:49.05 | gb2 | disable it? hrm |
| 23:49.16 | kergoth`bbl | yep, we want to use our compiled in cmdline |
| 23:49.19 | gb2 | it was enabled in shepherd |
| 23:49.20 | kergoth`bbl | ]rather than the one the bootloader will pass in |
| 23:49.55 | kergoth`bbl | make sure logo screen is off |
| 23:49.58 | gb2 | that is off |
| 23:50.04 | gb2 | if i got the logo, i'd know it was working |
| 23:50.05 | kergoth`bbl | dunno then |
| 23:50.06 | gb2 | :P |
| 23:50.24 | kergoth`bbl | compare our husky config to the known working one |
| 23:50.26 | kergoth`bbl | in def-configs |
| 23:51.48 | gb2 | serial console is turned on |
| 23:52.11 | kergoth`bbl | doesnt matter |
| 23:52.20 | kergoth`bbl | make sure CONSOLE=tty0 in the CMDLINE |
| 23:52.33 | gb2 | shepherd has console=null |
| 23:52.45 | kergoth`bbl | yes, it does. |
| 23:52.53 | kergoth`bbl | shepherd is known working, we dont need debug information |
| 23:52.56 | kergoth`bbl | a silent boot is good |
| 23:52.58 | gb2 | ah |
| 23:53.00 | gb2 | i see |
| 23:53.01 | kergoth`bbl | for you, you want to isolate the problem. |
| 23:53.03 | gb2 | right |
| 23:53.12 | kergoth`bbl | tty0 is hte foreground vt, vt is on the framebuffer |
| 23:53.16 | kergoth`bbl | so you'll get kernel messages on the lcd |
| 23:53.39 | gb2 | yeah, i'm quite familiar with the kernel |
| 23:53.55 | gb2 | i do driver and kernel work for a living |
| 23:54.10 | kergoth`bbl | ah |
| 23:54.27 | W8TVI | I didn't know that the sharp 3.1 rom had the 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix kernel |
| 23:54.39 | gb2 | i'm actually looking at doing a bunch of lowlevel hacking, it'd be nice to get something up and running quickly though |
| 23:55.06 | gb2 | oh. when it's flashing the filesystem, it counts up to about 60%, then says "Success!" |
| 23:55.12 | gb2 | is that something to worry about? |
| 23:55.15 | kergoth`bbl | eh |
| 23:55.19 | kergoth`bbl | yes |
| 23:55.22 | kergoth`bbl | i can tell you why its failing now |
| 23:55.25 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 23:55.27 | gb2 | heh |
| 23:55.31 | kergoth`bbl | at least, one of the failures |
| 23:55.32 | gb2 | what's it pissed off at? |
| 23:55.41 | kergoth`bbl | c760's tend to have a couple bad blocks in flash |
| 23:55.46 | gb2 | :| |
| 23:55.49 | kergoth`bbl | but sharp's eraseall app in the initial ramdisk doesnt mark them |
| 23:55.55 | kergoth`bbl | so jffs2 cant tell they're there |
| 23:55.58 | kergoth`bbl | goes "blech!" |
| 23:55.59 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 23:56.12 | gb2 | great |
| 23:56.13 | kergoth`bbl | sashz ended up replacing his initrd with one with newer mtd utils |
| 23:56.26 | kergoth`bbl | but you can just decode updater.sh |
| 23:56.35 | kergoth`bbl | modify it to erase it with an erase binary on your cf |
| 23:56.40 | kergoth`bbl | updater.sh is just a shell script |
| 23:56.47 | kergoth`bbl | happens to be encoded in a weird ass format |
| 23:56.49 | gb2 | in what format? |
| 23:56.50 | kergoth`bbl | cause sharp are dumbfucks |
| 23:56.58 | kergoth`bbl | the encoder/decoder is on openzaurus.org |
| 23:57.01 | kergoth`bbl | in official/experimental/ |
| 23:57.03 | kergoth`bbl | encsh.c |
| 23:57.12 | gb2 | which is not readable |
| 23:57.26 | gb2 | or wasn't 2 days ago |
| 23:57.32 | kergoth`bbl | and you reported it? |
| 23:57.35 | kergoth`bbl | didnt think so. |
| 23:57.36 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 23:57.44 | gb2 | nope. i assumed it was supposed to be unreadable :P |
| 23:57.46 | kergoth`bbl | try it now. |
| 23:58.12 | gb2 | that's better. |
| 23:58.27 | kergoth`bbl | you're using the husky version of updater.sh, right? |
| 23:58.39 | chouimat | kergoth`bbl: bah |
| 23:58.42 | gb2 | i'm using one that i got somewhere which was a husky version |
| 23:58.48 | gb2 | wasn't the one from OZ though |
| 23:59.09 | kergoth`bbl | decode em & diff |
| 23:59.10 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 23:59.13 | gb2 | i've found several different versions which claim to be husky versions |
| 23:59.15 | gb2 | yeah |
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| 23:59.25 | kergoth`bbl | the one on our site i got from sashz |
| 23:59.35 | kergoth`bbl | and he's the guy who wrote that encoder/decoder |
| 23:59.36 | kergoth`bbl | should work |
| 23:59.46 | ljp | anyone know of another commandline filemanager other than mc? |
| 23:59.49 | gb2 | shephard and husky ones on the site are identical |
| 23:59.52 | gb2 | i did notice that |
