| 00:01.15 | W8TVI | nm |
| 00:18.41 | aman | hola |
| 00:18.41 | aman | whats new |
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| 00:21.34 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: ping |
| 00:21.39 | Harlekin | lo to rest |
| 00:22.15 | W8TVI | ibot: ping |
| 00:22.16 | | wish i knew, W8TVI |
| 00:22.58 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: snails demo expired |
| 00:32.41 | aman | ibot ping is <reply>pong |
| 00:32.42 | | pong is <reply>pong |
| 00:32.43 | aman | ibot ping |
| 00:32.44 | | aman: are you using Windows? |
| 00:33.15 | aman | ibot forget ping |
| 00:33.15 | | i didn't have anything called 'ping', aman |
| 00:33.20 | aman | ibot ping is hi |
| 00:33.21 | | pong is hi |
| 00:33.26 | aman | ibot ping |
| 00:33.26 | | aman: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:33.30 | aman | wtf |
| 00:33.39 | Harlekin | ibot: pong |
| 00:33.39 | | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 00:33.48 | Harlekin | .-) |
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| 00:52.18 | kergoth | ibot: ping aman |
| 00:52.19 | | pong aman |
| 00:52.25 | kergoth | heh, thought so |
| 00:52.30 | kergoth | ibot: forget ping $nick |
| 00:52.30 | | i didn't have anything called 'ping $nick', kergoth |
| 00:52.44 | kergoth | hmm, i hate how you cant make it forget something with a var |
| 00:52.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:52.58 | W8TVI | lol |
| 00:54.34 | absentia | http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/08/07/software.glitches/index.html |
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| 01:03.31 | YourNick | xdcc list |
| 01:03.39 | YourNick | hi |
| 01:03.46 | YourNick | !list |
| 01:04.31 | absentia | no |
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| 02:00.23 | aman | wtf was that |
| 02:04.12 | bisho | XD |
| 02:04.23 | treke|home | aman: It was moron |
| 02:04.34 | treke|home | not to be confused with a mormon |
| 02:04.50 | bisho | you know... with that nick he probably thinks that IRC is the lastest P2P... |
| 02:05.39 | treke|home | can someone give me some l33t 0 day kernel source?! |
| 02:07.05 | TCMAN | no, it was sco looking for illegal kernels :) |
| 02:07.15 | bisho | XD |
| 02:07.32 | bisho | on the warez site ftp.kernel.org there are a lot |
| 02:07.36 | treke|home | sco is in utah I think, not florida :) |
| 02:07.41 | bisho | But I can't find the serials... |
| 02:07.42 | bisho | XD |
| 02:07.51 | TCMAN | dont spoil the fun :))) |
| 02:08.10 | TCMAN | it was florida chapter of sco :) |
| 02:08.58 | treke|home | kinda funny for a Company named after Santa Cruz :) |
| 02:09.41 | TCMAN | sco was supposed to be really cool company in the beginning |
| 02:10.13 | treke|home | er one of the most recent articles |
| 02:10.34 | bisho | which quote? |
| 02:10.47 | TCMAN | about naked ppl in the office ? |
| 02:11.07 | TCMAN | i think it was one comment on slashdot |
| 02:11.15 | treke|home | "The company has no dedicated sales office, but does have representatives dedicated to government sales. " |
| 02:11.34 | bisho | XD |
| 02:11.41 | treke|home | It describes their business plan perfectly |
| 02:12.21 | TCMAN | what do they sell again? |
| 02:12.26 | treke|home | TCMAN: Unix |
| 02:12.34 | treke|home | and Linux |
| 02:12.38 | TCMAN | no, i mean in this license? |
| 02:12.47 | bisho | SCO/GNU/Linux |
| 02:12.59 | treke|home | TCMAN: Oh. The sell you the right to use the binary of your linux kernel |
| 02:13.09 | treke|home | but you arent allowed to modify it or redistribute it |
| 02:13.13 | bisho | yeah... |
| 02:13.16 | TCMAN | interesting |
| 02:13.34 | treke|home | TCMAN: Think "protection money" |
| 02:13.37 | bisho | probably as is stated you couldn't even compile your own kernel |
| 02:13.42 | TCMAN | kinda looks like that |
| 02:14.15 | bisho | They are throwing the GPL to the trash... |
| 02:14.16 | TCMAN | well, on the other hand everyone who ever contributed to linux kernel can now sue them |
| 02:14.25 | bisho | :) |
| 02:14.34 | bisho | I have also read that story... |
| 02:14.40 | bisho | hehehe |
| 02:14.40 | TCMAN | since they say gpl doesnt work anymore |
| 02:14.53 | TCMAN | they are infringing on copyright of every contributor |
| 02:14.56 | bisho | And if you sued them |
| 02:15.18 | treke|home | if you sued them for everything they had, you could almost afford a cup of coffee at mcdonalds |
| 02:15.21 | bisho | probably RedHat will be willing to spend some of the 1 million $ they puf |
| 02:15.22 | treke|home | almost |
| 02:15.22 | TCMAN | unfortunately i have no money and never contributed |
| 02:15.25 | bisho | for defense |
| 02:16.48 | kergoth | re |
| 02:17.08 | bisho | hi |
| 02:17.48 | TCMAN | it just amazes me how one stupid company can fuck us all and we just watch |
| 02:18.20 | kergoth | hmm |
| 02:18.32 | TCMAN | imagine if every linux user took a dump into a box, packaged it nicely and sent to utah |
| 02:18.34 | bisho | If they win, you can imagine how will be that for all the industry? |
| 02:18.45 | treke|home | kergoth: have it delivered to 401 W. Vineyard Ave #320 |
| 02:18.50 | TCMAN | they wont win anything |
| 02:18.52 | treke|home | Oxnard, CA |
| 02:19.02 | kergoth | treke|home: nah, thanks anyway though |
| 02:19.06 | kergoth | eheh |
| 02:19.07 | TCMAN | even if there is any of their code the moment ppl find out what it is it will be removed |
| 02:19.07 | treke|home | darn |
| 02:19.15 | kergoth | i gotta get papajohns.oe goign one of these days |
| 02:19.17 | treke|home | was worth a try |
| 02:19.42 | TCMAN | or 2.2 will be dug out and all patches except infringing one will be applied to it again to bring it to 2.6 |
| 02:19.57 | bisho | :) |
| 02:20.03 | bisho | I hope so... |
| 02:20.25 | bisho | Or more probably IBM will butout the company if they have any chance to win |
| 02:20.41 | bisho | s/butout/buyout/ |
| 02:20.41 | TCMAN | gotta go home, bye guys |
| 02:20.49 | bisho | hehee |
| 02:21.01 | bisho | treke that would be great |
| 02:21.12 | bisho | They could sue himselfs... |
| 02:21.23 | W8TVI | lol |
| 02:21.29 | bisho | And with the money they get sue himselfs again... |
| 02:21.33 | bisho | XD |
| 02:21.43 | bisho | Their favourite sport... |
| 02:22.08 | bisho | Anyway... If the SCO CEOs are selling they stocks... |
| 02:22.20 | bisho | probably they are not expecting to win... |
| 02:22.36 | bisho | It's really weird their actitude... |
| 02:23.06 | bisho | Ore somebody has paid the CEOs or I can't understand the way they are doing the things... |
| 02:23.41 | bisho | IBM always took that very seriously... the people working on GPL soft are aislated... |
| 02:23.59 | treke|home | IBM takes everything very seriously :) |
| 02:24.10 | treke|home | right down to the color of their employees ties |
| 02:24.16 | bisho | hehe |
| 02:24.29 | bisho | treke|home: I would love to work for IBM... |
| 02:24.50 | bisho | But some people have told me that the working atmosphere is not good... |
| 02:24.54 | bisho | at least in madrid |
| 02:25.25 | treke|home | You dont stay successful for 92 years without taking things seriously |
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| 03:36.33 | Masticator | somebody ported GAIM to Qt/e? |
| 03:36.53 | kergoth | yeah, chipx86 |
| 03:36.55 | kergoth | quite cool |
| 03:37.04 | Masticator | that must have been a hell of a job |
| 03:37.09 | Masticator | like, a complete rewrite? |
| 03:37.17 | kergoth | apparently they've been working on gthe core-gui split for some time |
| 03:37.22 | kergoth | its nearly done |
| 03:37.51 | Masticator | I thought a lot of stuff was dependent on gtk |
| 03:38.09 | treke|home | Masticator: That is why it's taken them a year to do it :) |
| 03:39.14 | Masticator | so now almost any GTK app can be ported to KDE/Qt? |
| 03:39.22 | treke|home | no |
| 03:39.32 | TCMAN | its only gaim |
| 03:39.33 | Masticator | just gaim |
| 03:39.35 | Masticator | ah |
| 03:39.35 | Masticator | ok |
| 03:39.38 | treke|home | Gaim was ported |
| 03:39.49 | Masticator | so theres a gaim for KDE then |
| 03:39.57 | treke|home | Masticator: nope |
| 03:40.07 | treke|home | There is gaim for gtk and gaim for qpe |
| 03:40.17 | treke|home | nothing else at this point |
| 03:40.27 | Masticator | interesting that they ported to qpe firsgt |
| 03:40.29 | Masticator | before KDE |
| 03:40.43 | treke|home | who cares about kde :) |
| 03:41.20 | bisho | And you can use gtk GAIM under KDE |
| 03:41.23 | bisho | ... |
| 03:41.42 | Masticator | kergoth, we got any unstable images currently working for 5500? |
| 03:41.57 | Pendalar | I don't see it under the unstable feed.. |
| 03:42.04 | Masticator | bisho, yes, thats how I dod it nwo |
| 03:42.13 | bisho | http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/zaurus/collie/ |
| 03:42.27 | bisho | But take into account that usb is not working |
| 03:42.32 | Masticator | fine |
| 03:42.36 | Masticator | I dont use USB |
| 03:42.42 | Masticator | does SD work? |
| 03:42.43 | bisho | If you don't have CF net |
| 03:42.46 | bisho | nope |
| 03:43.05 | bisho | Latest 2.4.21/opie 1.0 testing image at http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/zaurus/collie/. TS works, and is mostly usable, but keyboard is flaky and sdmmc is nonexistant. |
| 03:43.30 | bisho | And some keys under Opie are working bad |
| 03:43.36 | Masticator | lol |
| 03:43.39 | Masticator | I'll wait. |
| 03:43.45 | bisho | on just plain terminal are fine |
| 03:43.47 | treke|home | in other words, it's code in development :) |
| 03:44.03 | Masticator | that or I'll buy a 760 and toss the 5500 |
| 03:44.08 | bisho | the new kernel stuff |
| 03:44.12 | Masticator | since it seems all the development is on the new stuff now |
| 03:44.23 | TCMAN | everyone likes new shiney toys |
| 03:44.26 | bisho | I fill faster with that kernel... |
| 03:44.31 | bisho | is nice... |
| 03:44.36 | Masticator | yeah too bad I cant get mine for free anymore |
| 03:44.44 | Masticator | but, that would mean having to work for those folks |
| 03:44.52 | Masticator | so I guess its a nice consolation |
| 03:44.57 | Masticator | I would NOT want to be there now |
| 03:45.02 | Pendalar | treke: do you know the url of the gaim port? |
| 03:45.19 | treke|home | Pendalar: not off hand |
| 03:45.28 | TCMAN | bisho: around 2.4.10 or something memory management was improved, that probably shows :) |
| 03:45.39 | bisho | Axim is going to be supporten on OZ/OE? |
| 03:45.40 | Pendalar | I don't see it on unstable or ZSI |
| 03:45.50 | bisho | TCMAN: great |
| 03:45.54 | treke|home | Pendalar: That's because it is unreleased |
| 03:45.55 | Masticator | bisho: eventualy |
| 03:46.02 | Masticator | if we can ever get the full specs from Dell |
| 03:46.05 | Pendalar | well that's no fun.. |
| 03:46.19 | TCMAN | bisho: in the beginning 2.4 sucked :) |
| 03:46.20 | treke|home | Masticator: Someone at dell was also working on a port |
| 03:46.24 | bisho | Because Axim with windoze hangs like mad |
| 03:46.36 | bisho | A friend told me |
| 03:46.38 | Masticator | yeah but I dont think he was on the Axim team |
| 03:46.55 | treke|home | yeah, he did server kernel work |
| 03:46.56 | Masticator | he might as well be one of us |
| 03:47.10 | Masticator | at some point we are going to have to approach dell directly |
| 03:47.15 | Masticator | and its something I may do |
| 03:47.17 | Masticator | but not right now |
| 03:47.39 | Masticator | we are in no position to demand anything from dell |
| 03:48.21 | bisho | It would be nice for people trying to find a good PDA low priced... |
| 03:48.38 | Masticator | yeah, I am making some contacts with various taiwanese and korean companies |
| 03:49.03 | treke|home | and I dont particularly like the newer ipaqs as much :) |
| 03:49.19 | Masticator | I'm also talking to some major japanese firms, but I dont want to talk about it until I have made progress |
| 03:49.32 | bisho | aham... |
| 03:49.53 | bisho | And what you thing about the specs AMD give this week? |
| 03:50.07 | Masticator | the AMD stuff is interersting |
| 03:50.14 | treke|home | kergoth: the cool news is that jamey mentioned he can start distributing specs for the new stuff. |
| 03:50.15 | Masticator | if they can get a development unit out |
| 03:50.19 | Masticator | we should port to it. |
| 03:50.22 | Masticator | same with IBM. |
| 03:50.38 | bisho | great... |
| 03:50.51 | bisho | But they are being manufactured already? |
| 03:50.59 | Masticator | not to my knowledge |
| 03:51.01 | bisho | or just devel platforms? |
| 03:51.06 | Masticator | I saw prototypes at the last linuxworld in NY |
| 03:51.09 | bisho | aham |
| 03:51.21 | Masticator | I spoke to a few of the guys at metrowerks working with it |
| 03:51.46 | Masticator | the AMD stuff is very attractive because they can make them cheap |
| 03:51.50 | Masticator | as the chips are highly integrated |
| 03:51.57 | Masticator | the IBM one is nice, as its very powerful |
| 03:52.04 | Masticator | but I dont know how cheap they can make those |
| 03:53.38 | kergoth | bisho: usb works, but the 2.4.21 tree is using the ipaq drivers atm, so setup is different. |
| 03:53.45 | kergoth | re |
| 03:53.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:54.09 | bisho | aham |
| 03:54.22 | kergoth | so its usbf not usbd0 on the Z for example |
| 03:54.42 | bisho | When it boots say something about some not found modules... |
| 03:54.45 | kergoth | i suppose i *should* be working on the sdmmc driver for collie |
| 03:54.47 | kergoth | bisho: harmless. |
| 03:54.55 | bisho | And I have seen taht of usbf |
| 03:55.00 | kergoth | those are for usbd, we're compiling usb-ether in monolithic atm |
| 03:55.10 | bisho | but I'm not able to set IP properties for it... |
| 03:55.16 | treke|home | usb-eth isnt working out of the box in oe right now |
| 03:55.29 | treke|home | I need to finish repatching the stuff in for it, not sure where it disappeared to |
| 03:55.49 | kergoth | we need to do a sa11x0 udc driver for the usb gadget drivers |
| 03:56.35 | bisho | :) |
| 03:56.46 | kergoth | treke|home: usbd has a storage driver, but never tested |
| 03:56.55 | bisho | taht would be nice, but still is important to be able to ssh your zaurus on the craddle |
| 03:57.12 | treke|home | screw this nasty hack of usb networking :) |
| 03:57.54 | bisho | There is any kind of CF duplexer??? |
| 03:58.16 | bisho | I really miss to be able to use CF mem card & net at the same time... |
| 03:59.28 | bisho | I'm going to sleep... |
| 03:59.36 | bisho | Here is really really late... |
| 03:59.41 | bisho | Bye! |
| 04:01.42 | absentia | sd? |
| 04:02.14 | treke|home | sd != cf :) |
| 04:05.09 | TCMAN | bisho: yes there are such things form pcmcia |
| 04:27.02 | treke|home | it doesnt take this long to compile the sucker |
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| 04:38.16 | kergoth | andersee: hey |
| 04:39.25 | andersee | kergoth: hey |
| 04:39.28 | andersee | sup? |
| 04:40.47 | kergoth | nada, taking it easy. avoiding coding and other things productive. |
| 04:40.50 | kergoth | you? |
| 04:41.12 | treke|home | speaking of avoiding productivity |
| 04:41.35 | andersee | kergoth: not too much |
| 04:41.43 | andersee | kergoth: getting the kids into bed |
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| 04:50.34 | kergoth | cool cool |
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| 05:03.41 | NeoTron | today kind of sucked some |
| 05:04.14 | NeoTron | ended with me readending another car. Fortunately it _looked_ like just surface scratches (I ++hope), but unfortunately it was like a new Lexus |
| 05:04.58 | treke|home | <other driver> Don't worry, I'm a lawyer! |
| 05:05.01 | NeoTron | the stupid floormat had slid up so I lost like 20%, perhaps more, of my braking power. Not the reason but an aggravating cause. |
| 05:05.03 | NeoTron | heh |
| 05:05.27 | treke|home | kergoth: Did ljp ever fix qte? |
| 05:05.44 | NeoTron | perhaps that'll help |
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| 06:02.30 | TCMAN | NeoTron: i feel for ya |
| 06:03.17 | TCMAN | NeoTron: i rearended someone at traffic light but very slightly, fortunately there wasnt even scratch and there was nothing of it |
| 06:03.47 | TCMAN | NeoTron: i just stopped and then let go the brake when i was checking the map |
| 06:05.09 | TCMAN | now i will remember to switch to parking till the end of my life |
| 06:15.18 | NeoTron | could have been worse since I was going about 35 when I realized breaking NOW would be a good idea |
| 06:17.44 | TCMAN | NeoTron: dont worry, the worst that can happen now is little bigger insurance :( |
| 06:19.20 | NeoTron | right, and that sucks |
| 06:19.50 | TCMAN | NeoTron: how much do you pay a year now ? |
| 06:20.02 | NeoTron | no clue |
| 06:20.27 | TCMAN | NeoTron: so why do you worry ? :)))) |
| 06:21.09 | TCMAN | unless its your folks and they'll forbid you to drive |
| 06:21.26 | NeoTron | becuase I have to pay for it |
| 06:21.28 | NeoTron | of course |
| 06:22.03 | TCMAN | wait, if you pay your insurance you should now how much you already pay ? |
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| 06:23.23 | NeoTron | no |
| 06:23.27 | NeoTron | wife does bills, not me |
| 06:23.39 | TCMAN | hehe |
| 06:24.22 | TCMAN | at least you'll learn how to do bills :)) |
| 06:24.36 | TCMAN | my wife always tell me that i dont live in real world |
| 06:24.41 | TCMAN | yet i do all the bills |
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| 08:17.16 | treke|home | ociocio: No |
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| 09:18.06 | Harlekin | lo |
| 09:50.11 | Harlekin | tronical: ping |
| 10:15.37 | tronical | Harlekin: pong |
| 10:18.05 | Harlekin | any idea what I need to to that changes to Var.make have effect to the builds? |
| 10:19.17 | tronical | should have an immediate effect I think |
| 10:19.41 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 10:19.49 | Harlekin | not here |
| 10:20.04 | Harlekin | changed -O2 to -Os but compiles are still with -O2 |
| 10:23.50 | Harlekin | konqe |
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| 12:36.33 | mickeyl | Twiun[Zzzzz]: ping |
| 12:38.51 | Twiun | mickeyl: pong |
| 12:42.56 | mickeyl | Twiun: moin. just flashed and booted the image |
| 12:43.02 | Twiun | mickeyl: how did it go? |
| 12:43.19 | mickeyl | Twiun: seems pretty good. and it was faaaast :) |
| 12:43.40 | mickeyl | nothing strange happened so far. didn't test long though |
| 12:43.45 | Twiun | cool |
| 12:45.18 | Twiun | now if only the qte in the buildroot built, I could start creating more images |
| 12:45.43 | Harlekin | Twiun: does not build? |
| 12:45.48 | Harlekin | Twiun: did here |
| 12:45.58 | Twiun | one of the patches doesn't apply to qte |
| 12:46.06 | Harlekin | Twiun: cvs up opie |
| 12:46.15 | Harlekin | that patch was removed since fixed in qte 2.3.7 |
| 12:46.19 | Twiun | ahhh |
| 12:46.49 | Harlekin | cvs up BRANCH_1_0 |
| 12:47.46 | Twiun | ok, I'll do that |
| 12:48.11 | mickeyl | Twiun: trolltech finally incorporated $OPIEDIR/qt/qt*-Makefile.patch into qte, so this is no longer needed (and doesn't apply of course) |
| 12:54.02 | Twiun | right |
| 12:54.34 | mickeyl | now if anyone could fix the two outstanding bugs in OZ, we could release 3.2.6 |
| 12:54.40 | mickeyl | 3.2.5 even |
| 12:54.55 | Harlekin | which are left? |
| 12:55.12 | mickeyl | hotplug + usb not working |
| 12:55.18 | mickeyl | orinoco SIGSEGV on modprobe |
| 12:55.54 | Twiun | Harlekin: what's the symptom of sshd not starting on first boot? (mine seems to start find from the postinst) |
| 12:56.10 | Twiun | s/find/fine/ |
| 12:56.22 | Harlekin | mickeyl: just take the old hotplug |
| 12:56.32 | Harlekin | Twiun: it did? |
| 12:56.40 | Harlekin | Twiun: here the problem was that the keys where missing |
| 12:56.55 | mickeyl | Harlekin: still problems with old hotplug - but that isn't the fix |
| 12:57.00 | pb_ | mickeyl: you should give up on orinoco. use hostap for prism2 cards, wvlan for orinoco. |
| 12:57.24 | mickeyl | pb_: umm... and kill wlan-sniffing on OZ? |
| 12:57.37 | pb_ | mickeyl: hostap can do sniffing. |
| 12:57.50 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.59 | mickeyl | this kills people with orinoco and spectrum cards |
| 12:58.12 | pb_ | ah, I see. |
| 12:58.21 | Harlekin | so how has a orinoco card to test |
| 12:58.32 | mickeyl | pb_: well... it all depends how long we have to stand with 2.4.6 |
| 12:58.35 | Harlekin | i guess my linksys is prism |
| 12:58.43 | Harlekin | who has |
| 12:58.43 | mickeyl | orinoco-0.13 runs pretty good, but not on 2.4.6... |
| 12:59.11 | pb_ | mickeyl: ah, the 2.4.6 problem again. |
| 13:00.18 | mickeyl | pb_: yup. |
| 13:01.22 | mickeyl | btw... lsh-client also needs liboop... one more dependency i had to add to buildroot... |
| 13:01.47 | pb_ | ah. what's liboop? |
| 13:02.10 | mickeyl | pb_: kind of an event-loop library for network programs |
| 13:02.30 | mickeyl | aka "no more select" |
| 13:03.11 | pb_ | right |
| 13:07.31 | mickeyl | more coffee |
| 13:13.27 | Twiun | bbl - going to get my drycleaning |
| 13:17.50 | mickeyl | why-oh-why is sa1100_bi not loaded by default |
| 13:17.57 | mickeyl | this used to be |
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| 15:31.28 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 15:40.40 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:41.07 | kergoth | drank too much last night, fuckin dehydrated |
| 15:47.11 | kergoth | heheh. I actually have no medicine in the house. |
| 15:47.26 | pb_ | kergoth: heh |
| 15:50.21 | kergoth | Harlekin: you merged library/ from BRANCH_1_0, right? |
| 15:50.29 | Harlekin | eilers did |
| 15:50.33 | kergoth | k |
| 15:50.53 | Harlekin | still post release bug hunting here |
| 15:54.29 | Twiun | hrm. I get the impression that the opie makefile I have doesn't pull the 1_0 branch |
| 15:54.43 | kergoth | branch is configurable |
| 15:54.49 | Harlekin | Twiun: make menuconfig |
| 15:54.50 | kergoth | make menuconfig |
| 15:55.22 | Twiun | on it |
| 15:56.12 | Twiun | that is... will be on it as soon as bk finishes the resolve |
| 15:57.02 | kergoth | cvs diff -u -rHEAD -rBRANCH_1_0|filterdiff -i"*control" | patch -p0 |
| 15:57.03 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:57.13 | Twiun | /home/twiun/buildroot-oz/scripts/kconfig/mconf ./config.in |
| 15:57.13 | Twiun | packages/libgmp3/config.in:1:warning: multi-line strings not supported |
| 15:57.17 | Twiun | hmmmm |
| 15:58.39 | kergoth | Harlekin: graffiti control file was removed on the branch, should it be kept or removed in head? |
| 15:58.59 | Harlekin | keep in head |
| 15:59.06 | Harlekin | maybe some day somebody fixes that set |
| 15:59.13 | kergoth | k |
| 15:59.23 | Twiun | I'll fix those multiline things |
| 16:03.57 | Harlekin | shouldnt make SUBDIRS=packages/konqe also make the ipks ? |
| 16:04.21 | Twiun | 'twould make sense |
| 16:04.28 | kergoth | Harlekin: yep |
| 16:04.39 | kergoth | some packages have an ipk stamp though, not sure if clean is wiping it |
| 16:04.49 | kergoth | so check for stamps/.blah.ipk or stamps/.blah.ipks |
| 16:04.51 | Harlekin | i did a mrproper before |
| 16:05.11 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 16:07.03 | Twiun | mickeyl|RL|away: ping |
| 16:09.45 | Twiun | hmmm, looks like he forgot to submit the config.in file too |
| 16:10.25 | Twiun | Harlekin: change the opie tag from v1_0 to BRANCH_1_0, right? |
| 16:10.48 | kergoth | Twiun: if you want the fixes that came after 1.0 was tagged, yes |
| 16:10.55 | kergoth | v1.0 is the release tag, not the branch |
| 16:10.55 | Harlekin | yes |
| 16:11.03 | Harlekin | Twiun: build BRANCH_1_0 |
| 16:13.21 | Twiun | ok |
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| 16:29.34 | Twiun | right, now on to build the damn thing :) |
| 16:36.49 | aman | kergoth sup |
| 16:37.41 | kergoth | aman: nada, working on merging opie's 1.0 branch back into head |
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| 16:38.47 | aman | kergoth fun |
| 16:38.59 | aman | i imagine cvs doesn't make that all too easy |
| 16:39.23 | kergoth | you imagine correctly |
| 16:39.27 | kergoth | its a huge pain in the ass |
| 16:39.37 | kergoth | opie really really really should switch to bk |
| 16:39.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:40.01 | Harlekin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.41 | kergoth | yeah, and teh source tree reorg would be good then too |
| 16:46.41 | kergoth | Harlekin: header cleanup and unrelated changes to op2 in branch. merge? |
| 16:46.58 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 16:47.01 | kergoth | k |
| 16:47.09 | Harlekin | merges everything branch -> hard |
| 16:47.10 | Harlekin | head |
| 16:47.20 | Harlekin | in head there was no real development over the pre time |
| 16:47.46 | kergoth | k, op2 is merged. next! |
| 16:47.52 | kergoth | man, this is going to take a long fucking time |
| 16:47.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:48.18 | pb_ | it doesn't work to just cvs update -j BRANCH_1_0, I guess? |
| 16:48.42 | kergoth | pb_: files were removed from branch that we dont want removed from head :\ |
| 16:49.01 | pb_ | oh, I see. nasty. |
| 16:49.05 | Harlekin | so when does handhelds.org starts a bk server |
| 16:49.10 | kergoth | pb_: other than that, for the most part an up -j is okay. except that we got over 1200 conflicts |
| 16:49.14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:49.27 | pb_ | Harlekin: when bk gets a different licence |
| 16:49.33 | Harlekin | uh |
| 16:49.40 | Harlekin | fundamentalists hitting again |
| 16:49.41 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 16:49.50 | Harlekin | so how come that hh.org still uses a linux kernel.-) |
| 16:49.54 | kergoth | pb_: some things were merged into head manually by users, and cvs cant protect against multiple merges |
| 16:50.36 | Twiun | pb_: wasn't there some project around to develop bk-compatible tools? |
| 16:51.00 | pb_ | Twiun: yeah, but I think that foundered on threats of legal action from bitmover |
| 16:51.35 | Twiun | pb_: shame |
| 16:51.45 | mithro_ | you can't get bk for the Z? |
| 16:51.57 | Twiun | never tried ;) |
| 16:52.07 | kergoth | i'm sure theres an arm bk binary, rmk wouldve pushed for it |
| 16:52.21 | Harlekin | there are |
| 16:52.27 | pb_ | yeah, I expect so too. |
| 16:52.35 | Harlekin | not sure about server |
| 16:52.37 | Harlekin | but client there is |
| 16:52.53 | pb_ | I've never quite understood why rmk does all his development natively on arm, but I think he still uses his riscpc. |
| 16:53.17 | kergoth | yeah, i dont really get it either |
| 16:53.30 | mithro_ | Linux/StrongARM bk-3.0.1-arm-glibc21-linux.bin |
| 16:53.39 | kergoth | cvs server: scheduling ubrowser/opie-ubrowser.control for removal |
| 16:53.41 | kergoth | Harlekin: /me sighs |
| 16:53.43 | mithro_ | however that doesn't work on the Z |
| 16:53.55 | pb_ | why not? |
| 16:53.57 | kergoth | Harlekin: next time, can we do someting other than _removing_ files to remove an item from the release build? |
| 16:53.59 | Harlekin | kergoth: maybe remove the whole ubrowser |
| 16:54.05 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:54.16 | kergoth | maybe move into unsupported |
| 16:54.17 | Harlekin | kergoth: yeah, move us to bk |
| 16:54.37 | mithro_ | subversion is still to primative? |
| 16:54.53 | lsmith | well its not even in beta |
| 16:54.59 | kergoth | I still hear reports of repository corruption |
| 16:55.03 | Harlekin | subversion is good to destroy the repos |
| 16:55.09 | kergoth | exactly |
| 16:55.12 | lsmith | so they dont give you any gurantees about forward compatibility |
| 16:55.46 | pb_ | well, the subversion FAQ says "After nearly two years of self-hosting, we haven't lost any data at all." |
| 16:55.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:55.53 | pb_ | so maybe it's not as bad as well that. |
| 16:55.54 | kergoth | _they_ havent |
| 16:55.58 | pb_ | s/well/all/ |
| 16:56.06 | kergoth | i still hear reports of corruption from others |
| 16:56.12 | Harlekin | pb_: yeah, ximian says too its the "Linux Leader" |
| 16:56.16 | aman | heh, maybe they're lying.. would explain why they haven't reached beta in over 2 years |
| 16:56.28 | kergoth | Harlekin: has oliver been doing his mailit work on branch? |
| 16:56.35 | pb_ | aman: heh |
| 16:56.38 | mithro_ | how hard can it be to do a revision control system? |
| 16:56.42 | Harlekin | kergoth: hope soo |
| 16:56.46 | pb_ | mithro_: quite hard |
| 16:56.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:56.57 | kergoth | looks like opie-irc improvements on branch, merging |
| 16:57.09 | mithro_ | CVS is supprisingly simple |
| 16:57.16 | Harlekin | kergoth: sure |
| 16:57.28 | Harlekin | kergoth: all work the last 2 months was in branch |
| 16:58.08 | kergoth | Harlekin: yep. still at least briefly reviewing every change to check sanity |
| 16:58.10 | mithro_ | anyway i should be in bed |
| 16:59.03 | mithro_ | gnight all |
| 16:59.08 | kergoth | night |
| 16:59.16 | Twiun | see ya mithro_ |
| 16:59.24 | mithro_ | kergoth: btw, sometime this week i'm going to try and produce a nice, polished C700 image |
| 16:59.37 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:59.46 | kergoth | how do you undo a 'cvs rm' of a file before its been committed? |
| 16:59.59 | kergoth | cvs add on it _says_ its resurrected, but it still considers it marked for removal |
| 17:00.00 | Twiun | I can't believe that it's so hot that I can't switch on my other machines to use distcc |
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| 17:17.09 | treke | ugh. Phone suck. |
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| 17:54.33 | kergoth | Harlekin: is ogg audio/x-ogg or application/ogg? |
| 17:54.48 | Harlekin | kergoth: hmmm |
| 17:54.59 | kergoth | branch has application/ |
| 17:55.04 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 17:55.07 | Harlekin | thats also waht debian things |
| 17:55.09 | Harlekin | thinks |
| 17:55.13 | kergoth | assuming thats right. head has #ifdefs for devfs, i assume schurig add that |
| 17:57.20 | aman | argh. i want my laptop fixed |
| 17:58.34 | pb_ | kergoth: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3534.txt |
| 17:58.43 | kergoth | thanks |
| 18:07.18 | Twiun | lol, I can't believe george is already kergoth-baiting |
| 18:07.24 | Twiun | when will that kid learn? |
| 18:09.34 | kergoth | why the hell does opie try to manage the timezone info packaging? |
| 18:09.38 | kergoth | doesnt make any sense |
| 18:13.33 | Twiun | does it try to make a special pre-qtfied version of the timezones? |
| 18:13.59 | kergoth | qtfied? |
| 18:14.34 | Twiun | qt-fucked is also quite valid |
| 18:14.48 | Twiun | the process of making something behave in a Qt-logical way |
| 18:18.39 | kergoth | just about done merging the opie 1.0 branch back into head |
| 18:18.41 | kergoth | finally |
| 18:21.57 | Twiun | hmmm, finally found a C for Java programmers page :) |
| 18:29.11 | Twiun | and getting some IRC tuitiontoo |
| 18:30.45 | Twiun | aman: you wouldn't happen to be the gupta from cornell, right? |
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| 18:44.41 | absentia | re |
| 18:49.56 | aman | Twiun no |
| 18:50.05 | aman | Twiun i'm in highschool still =P |
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| 18:52.38 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: shame :) |
| 18:52.50 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/courses/cs414/2001SP/tutorials/cforjava.htm |
| 18:53.28 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: Aha! Just opened up the ppt file, it's an Indranil Gupta |
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| 19:12.03 | treke | ? |
| 19:14.41 | kergoth | hmm, i should get a game console |
| 19:14.53 | treke | no you shouldnt |
| 19:15.01 | kergoth | i shouldnt? |
| 19:15.12 | treke | nope |
| 19:15.35 | treke | less games. more code. |
| 19:18.49 | Twiun | I second that, games waste your precious working hours away |
| 19:30.40 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 19:30.47 | TheMasterMind1 | work more |
| 19:31.40 | absentia | I had a playstation stolen from me.. with all my games. |
| 19:31.45 | absentia | my dreamcast too... |
| 19:31.50 | absentia | with all its games... controllers... |
| 19:31.56 | absentia | oh, and an atari jag... w/ cd. |
| 19:31.58 | absentia | and all its games. |
| 19:32.00 | absentia | oh, and another jag. |
| 19:32.09 | absentia | oh, and all the rest of my electronic equipment to boot |
| 19:32.10 | absentia | :-< |
| 19:32.22 | absentia | maybe someone, somewhere... is getting some use from it. |
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| 19:39.08 | kergoth | hmm, gamecube, xbox, or ps2? /me ponders |
| 19:39.19 | pb_ | decisions, decisions |
| 19:39.48 | treke | kergoth: I'd vote ps2 |
| 19:39.57 | kergoth | gamecube has less games, but itll have fzero this month. i loved that game on the snes |
| 19:40.00 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:40.02 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:51.16 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:51.31 | TheMasterMind1 | don't you need a tv for that? |
| 19:52.47 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: buying a TV sounds like it should also be within kergoth's capabilities |
| 19:53.07 | treke | I dunno, it's a complicated process. Think kergoth is up to it? |
| 19:54.02 | pb_ | yeah, I have every confidence in him. |
| 19:54.21 | kergoth | hey now, i have a tv |
| 19:54.53 | pb_ | ah, one step ahead of the game. |
| 19:54.56 | treke | hehe |
| 19:55.56 | pb_ | some kind of ghastly exception handling crash. |
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| 20:33.03 | absentia | is there any way or plans to allow OZ to boot/run off cf or sd ? |
| 20:34.13 | treke | absentia: pivot root |
| 20:34.20 | absentia | ? |
| 20:34.43 | treke | absentia: It's a program for booting off of flash, and then loading the rest of your system off of cf |
| 20:35.26 | absentia | have a url ? |
| 20:35.30 | treke | no |
| 20:36.25 | treke | It's part of the base install on all of my linux machines :) |
| 20:39.33 | treke | absentia: http://freshmeat.net/redir/util-linux/11029/url_tgz/util-linux-2.11z.tar.gz |
| 20:41.44 | absentia | thx |
| 20:59.29 | TheMasterMind1 | a;sldkkjff |
| 21:11.42 | treke | absentia: maybe one day kergoth will get another bootloader working and booting from CF wont require a hack |
| 21:22.47 | absentia | I'm just torn |
| 21:23.04 | absentia | I may be wrong... but the debian for zaurus is gcc2, eh? |
| 21:23.13 | absentia | so it may not be optimized... for xscale... |
| 21:23.24 | absentia | I like netfront on sharp, and that's why I haven't switched to oz.... |
| 21:23.32 | absentia | but oz under gcc3 seems like a nice advance. |
| 21:23.53 | absentia | there is far too much splintering for such a new device. |
| 21:24.03 | absentia | I'd like to run debian (gcc3?) off sd |
| 21:24.06 | absentia | oz off cf |
| 21:24.08 | absentia | and sharp off internal |
| 21:24.15 | absentia | but my sharp rom-os is dying. |
| 21:24.20 | absentia | the more I use it, the more that doesn't work. |
| 21:24.26 | absentia | there's no clue how to fix it |
| 21:24.38 | absentia | reflashing doesn't do jack, since it seems to be that crap is in a partition that doesn't get overwritten |
| 21:24.48 | absentia | yet, if I wipe that, I lose all access to english by dynamism. |
| 21:24.57 | absentia | mame is too slow to use |
| 21:25.02 | absentia | perl doesn't have qt support |
| 21:25.17 | absentia | python appears to, but doesn't support sharp (maybe it does?) |
| 21:25.47 | absentia | so, I'm debating just installing the debian, gcc2?, under sd... wiping my cf... no oz (because I can't put it anywhere) |
| 21:25.58 | absentia | and just use vnc into the thing... |
| 21:26.17 | absentia | right now, I'm trying to think how to backup my 128mg cf and 512mb sd and /home sharp rom.... |
| 21:26.27 | absentia | so I can wipe the shit 100% clean. |
| 21:27.19 | absentia | my freebsd 5.1-release on thie 500mhz celeron feels like it's on downers. |
| 21:27.34 | absentia | but I can't convince myself to go to debian. |
| 21:27.38 | absentia | or any other linux |
| 21:28.35 | absentia | the oz image ... is still the one without systime, keyboard and arrows messed up from april. |
| 21:28.51 | absentia | it's.... august? |
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| 21:44.15 | absentia | good holy god damn shit |
| 21:44.18 | absentia | now my vi is giving me shit |
| 21:44.31 | absentia | trouble writing to tmp.. .garbage this... locking that |
| 21:44.55 | fishy | vi makes baby jesus cry :( |
| 21:46.10 | absentia | now it tells me the file is busy |
| 21:46.18 | absentia | it is NOT busy. |
| 21:47.38 | absentia | vi doesn't understand :wq! |
| 21:48.03 | treke | your vi is crap |
| 21:48.19 | Twiun | absentia: is this on the Z? |
| 21:48.32 | absentia | ya |
| 21:48.32 | Twiun | absentia: look for lock files in /tmp |
| 21:48.35 | absentia | is there a syslog on the z? |
| 21:48.36 | Twiun | remove em |
| 21:48.45 | Twiun | usually named elvis* |
| 21:49.08 | absentia | ya |
| 21:49.10 | absentia | nothing there |
| 21:49.12 | absentia | I removed everything |
| 21:49.23 | absentia | I just copied the file to /tmp, edited that file, and then cp'd that file over the target |
| 21:49.25 | absentia | fuck vi |
| 21:49.36 | absentia | tried turning on ftpd, but it doesn't seem to want to work. |
| 21:49.37 | absentia | of course. |
| 21:49.42 | Twiun | you could always install the full blown vim or emacs ;) |
| 21:50.00 | absentia | ya |
| 21:50.11 | absentia | I'm trying to get my shit off the z, so I can wipe it and do just that |
| 21:50.16 | Twiun | afaik, for the ftpd you need either qtopia/opie or an actual ftpd |
| 21:50.40 | Twiun | it's a sharp rom I take it? |
| 21:50.42 | absentia | eh? this is qtopia? |
| 21:50.44 | absentia | ya |
| 21:50.59 | Twiun | but are you actually running it in gui or are you in the raw console? |
| 21:51.00 | treke | It also has to be an olderver version of qtopia |
| 21:51.09 | Twiun | treke: good point |
| 21:51.21 | treke | The one on the C700 probably doesnt have the ftpd |
| 21:51.34 | Twiun | hmmm, doesn't the c7x0 use smb? |
| 21:52.45 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: ping |
| 21:52.46 | absentia | ya, gui |
| 21:52.50 | absentia | ok, scp -rp seems to work |
| 21:53.00 | Twiun | from the Z, right? |
| 21:53.10 | absentia | although, this could take 2 days... at this rate |
| 21:53.11 | absentia | :-) |
| 21:53.27 | Twiun | try disabling compressing and/or encryption |
| 21:53.29 | treke | absentia: your transfering to sd? |
| 21:53.49 | absentia | no, from sd ... |
| 21:53.55 | absentia | I'm getting about 100K/sec via ssh |
| 21:54.00 | absentia | I think ssh is just too much for the cpu |
| 21:54.09 | treke | absentia: sd is slow |
| 21:54.11 | Twiun | sd is as slow as pigshit |
| 21:54.24 | absentia | it'snot the sd |
| 21:54.27 | absentia | it's the ssh |
| 21:54.48 | absentia | the scp is broken too. .the output.. it gives me the filename, and then goest 3 lines vertical before it gives me the status |
| 21:54.50 | absentia | really fugly. |
| 21:55.15 | absentia | I think I can live with this, though. |
| 21:56.06 | absentia | hmmm |
| 21:56.15 | absentia | maybe it would be faster to use usbnet |
| 21:56.17 | absentia | xfer to the pc |
| 21:56.21 | absentia | and then xfer to the unix |
| 21:57.41 | absentia | ya |
| 21:57.46 | absentia | this is just far too slow |
| 21:59.02 | absentia | ah |
| 21:59.03 | absentia | broken |
| 21:59.13 | absentia | it was copying the target file on a symlink instead of the symlink |
| 21:59.24 | absentia | nothing like linking 3 times to mame and getting 45MB instead of 15 |
| 22:01.28 | Twiun | lol |
| 22:02.09 | treke | ha |
| 22:02.49 | Twiun | argh! |
| 22:03.00 | Twiun | wtf is /dev/hda1 getting mounted noexec??? |
| 22:06.24 | Twiun | and changing fstab doesn't have any effect... |
| 22:06.46 | treke | Twiun: check /etc/hotplug |
| 22:08.03 | Twiun | treke: ok, any particular file? |
| 22:08.36 | treke | not off the top of my head |
| 22:09.16 | TheMasterMind1 | lkjdi2j4j |
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| 22:09.45 | Harlekin | ne NeoTron |
| 22:09.49 | Harlekin | he even |
| 22:09.59 | NeoTron | hey |
| 22:10.13 | treke | ok. Gonna try going home again |
| 22:10.20 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 22:10.25 | Harlekin | treke: then opie-login? |
| 22:10.33 | Harlekin | NeoTron: snails time is up .-) |
| 22:10.51 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: still around? |
| 22:11.58 | Twiun | kergoth: no go on ltrace - strace says Exec format error |
| 22:12.53 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: strace of ts_calibrate shows it's blocking on a read (even though catting the raw events from the device show they're being generated) |
| 22:13.18 | NeoTron | Harlekin: yeah.. |
| 22:13.44 | Harlekin | NeoTron: final out? |
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| 22:30.45 | Twiun | hmmm, default console blanking is way too long |
| 22:30.59 | Twiun | need to make that around 1 to 2 minutes I think |
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| 22:43.00 | absentia | re |
| 22:43.31 | absentia | ok, usb to pc is far far far faster.. all xferred.. 600mb... |
| 22:44.47 | Twiun | what's everyone working on atm? |
| 22:46.38 | treke|home | Twiun: taking up space |
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| 22:51.14 | Twiun | treke|home: not fixing opie-login yet? Bah! |
| 22:51.36 | treke|home | Twiun: i've started looking at it |
| 22:54.04 | treke|home | Twiun: opie-login looks like it shuts down differently, so it may be an easy fix |
| 22:56.09 | Twiun | treke|home: cool :) |
| 22:57.22 | Twiun | I'm trying to get enough info for TMM1 to trace the bug I'm seeing in tslib |
| 22:57.30 | Twiun | (or the calibrate tool) |
| 22:57.36 | Twiun | erm, ts_calibrate that is |
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| 22:58.05 | pb_ | Twiun: if it's blocked on read, seems like a kernel problem. |
| 22:58.31 | Twiun | pb_: even if the cat from the device works fine? |
| 22:58.39 | treke|home | maybe I'll try doign a tslib build tonight |
| 22:59.13 | pb_ | Twiun: yeah, the bug could be in the high levels of the driver, where it interfaces to user space. |
| 22:59.41 | Twiun | hrm |
| 22:59.58 | Twiun | ok, now cat /dev/input/event* doesn't spew anything at all on ts inputs |
| 23:00.06 | pb_ | if ts_calibrate has called read() and the kernel isn't giving it any data, there is probably not much that either ts_calibrate or tslib could do to improve the situation. |
| 23:01.01 | treke|home | hmmm. cdwg catalog has the new ipaqs in it |
| 23:01.07 | pb_ | assuming it isn't accidentally doing any ioctl(TS_STOP_WORKING) kind of things, but I think if that were the case someone would have noticed it already. |
| 23:01.16 | pb_ | treke|home: what's cdwg? |
| 23:01.38 | treke|home | pb_: Government/Educational sales place |
| 23:01.39 | Twiun | pb_: ah. after the reboot it works |
| 23:01.54 | Twiun | pb_: I imagine that something leaves the ts driver in a blocked state |
| 23:02.54 | pb_ | treke|home: aha |
| 23:03.00 | pb_ | Twiun: aha |
| 23:03.09 | Twiun | whoa |
| 23:03.17 | Twiun | now the screen characters are garbled |
| 23:03.33 | Twiun | after it blocked on the third calibrate cross and I ctrl-c'd it |
| 23:07.32 | Twiun | this is weird |
| 23:07.43 | absentia | ok, here it goes... wiping. |
| 23:07.52 | Twiun | I reran ts_calibrate (with screen garbled) and now the garbling is gone |
| 23:07.59 | Twiun | the console chars are readable again |
| 23:08.06 | Twiun | absentia: good luck |
| 23:08.31 | absentia | thx |
| 23:08.38 | treke|home | pb_: do you know if the 2200 ipaqs more closely resemble a 1900 or a 5400 hardware wise? |
| 23:08.44 | pb_ | treke|home: 5400 |
| 23:09.17 | pb_ | though they have some resemblance to h1930/h1940 as well. h1910 is completely different. |
| 23:09.49 | treke|home | things were so much simple back with the 3600, 3700, and the 3800 :) |
| 23:10.09 | pb_ | heh, yeah. |
| 23:10.40 | absentia | zaurus [15]> umount /usr/mnt.rom/card |
| 23:10.40 | absentia | zaurus [16]> mke2fs /dev/mmcda1 |
| 23:11.11 | Twiun | pb_: what do you think? wild pointer, write past end, uncleared memory? |
| 23:11.26 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.28 | absentia | man |
| 23:11.32 | absentia | it would be nice to have that 4GB cf |
| 23:11.37 | absentia | but for $1K, they can keep it! |
| 23:12.20 | pb_ | Twiun: hard to say. I'm not sure what ts_calibrate does to the console state while it's running: could be weird stuff. |
| 23:12.37 | Twiun | kergoth: running ltrace itself gives: ./ltrace: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 23:13.04 | Twiun | kergoth: even though ltrace is an ARM binary and chmod 777, the shell seems to think it's a script |
| 23:13.09 | Twiun | pb_: same here |
| 23:13.52 | pb_ | treke|home: fwiw, the ipaqs divide into two separate families: h3000 and h1910 are HTC; h1930, h1940, h2000 and h5000 are Samsung/LG. Within those families there tends to be a lot of sharing of major components. |
| 23:15.01 | treke|home | hmmm. so the new ipaqs are designed by someone different? |
| 23:15.41 | Twiun | pb_: hmmm, now ts_calibrate completes, but says Calibration failed |
| 23:15.59 | Twiun | pb_: methinks there's a loose wire in there somewhere |
| 23:16.27 | pb_ | treke|home: yeah. this is (I like to think) the reason the h5400 port was somewhat heavy going, because it was the first Samsung model to be supported. |
| 23:16.50 | treke|home | well, not everything, but close |
| 23:17.07 | pb_ | right, the new ones don't have all that much major new functionality compared to h3800. |
| 23:17.15 | absentia | I chose a c700 over the ipaq 3800 or whatever was the best one. |
| 23:17.21 | pb_ | mostly it's small incremental things, like better screen and better battery life. |
| 23:17.34 | treke|home | `the news ones have a removable battery, right? |
| 23:17.39 | pb_ | and, in the case of h1000/h2000, small physical size. |
| 23:17.53 | absentia | yes, size was a factor.. but the screen was the selling point... |
| 23:17.57 | absentia | and thenthe keyboard. |
| 23:18.01 | pb_ | treke|home: yeah, all models except h3000 have removable battery. even h1000 does. |
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| 23:18.33 | treke|home | the big decision now looks like it will be 1) smaller and sleevless or 2) bigger with sleeves |
| 23:19.16 | pb_ | yeah. out of the current production models, only h5000 has sleeves. I think the h2000 with single internal CF will probably be enough for a lot of folk. |
| 23:19.43 | treke|home | I'm torn because I like having wireless and CF at the same time since SD is so fricken slow |
| 23:20.18 | pb_ | yeah. of course, at least some (maybe all) h5000 units have internal wifi anyway. |
| 23:20.27 | Twiun | right, time for bed - gotta go to a wedding tomorrow ;) |
| 23:20.33 | Twiun | g'night |
| 23:20.33 | pb_ | I live in hope that we will get SD wifi working one day. |
| 23:20.34 | pb_ | Twiun: night |
| 23:21.03 | treke|home | pb_: hehe, then I'll have the built in wifi plus two spare CF slots + the sd |
| 23:21.18 | pb_ | right :-) |
| 23:21.43 | treke|home | they need to call me when they design their next pda so I can tell them what to do |
| 23:22.08 | absentia | the sd seems fast... |
| 23:22.08 | absentia | to me. |
| 23:22.36 | treke|home | absentia: I've been comparing on the ipaq 3800 with compact flash. Its a major difference there. |
| 23:22.42 | absentia | oh |
| 23:22.43 | absentia | ya. |
| 23:23.04 | treke|home | If it isnt as significant on the newer ipaqs it might be good enough |
| 23:23.37 | pb_ | None of the newer ipaqs actually have working sd/mmc drivers yet, but in principle it ought to be significantly faster than h3800. |
| 23:24.12 | treke|home | the new zaurus look good in theory, but I dont want to deal with the trouble of buying an imported one |
| 23:24.39 | absentia | ? |
| 23:24.42 | absentia | I just want 64mb ram |
| 23:24.53 | absentia | the pxa255 vs 250 ... doesn't seem any different in speed |
| 23:25.06 | pb_ | Yeah. When I bought my c750 it wasn't a huge hassle, but noticeably less convenient than buying an ipaq from a domestic retailer. |
| 23:25.30 | treke|home | pb_: I'm also thinking of the what if something breaks situation. |
| 23:25.58 | pb_ | Dynamism do give you a warranty if you buy it from them. With others you're probably on your own. |
| 23:26.03 | treke|home | pb_: HP has been reasonably simple to get things repaired, I dont imagine it will be quite as easy if I have to go through conics |
| 23:26.14 | treke|home | and dynamism has their 200 dollar markup |
| 23:26.18 | pb_ | Right. |
| 23:26.23 | treke|home | unless that has gone down |
| 23:26.53 | pb_ | No, I think that's still the case. |
| 23:27.22 | absentia | well, it's markup, support for 1 year, english conversion.... |
| 23:28.22 | treke|home | absentia: With the C700 the mark up was about 50% of the original cost of the device. Thats quite large |
| 23:28.29 | absentia | ouch |
| 23:28.29 | absentia | ya |
| 23:28.32 | absentia | I paid $700 |
| 23:28.38 | absentia | plus $300 for 512mb sd |
| 23:28.48 | absentia | 2 wifi cards, since linksys wcf12 doesn't work |
| 23:28.53 | treke|home | absentia: In japan they were roughly 450 to 500 |
| 23:28.54 | absentia | $30 for 129mb cf |
| 23:29.00 | absentia | extra battery and external charger |
| 23:29.20 | absentia | that appears to be what they go for now |
| 23:29.25 | kergoth | treke|home: took your advice and picked up a ps2 |
| 23:29.29 | absentia | I wanted to sell my 700 so I could get a 750 |
| 23:29.34 | treke|home | kergoth: Cool deal. I'm happy with mine |
| 23:29.34 | absentia | ya, ps2 is best |
| 23:29.37 | absentia | you can play ps1 |
| 23:29.44 | absentia | not gonna go anywhere (ie: out of business) |
| 23:29.50 | absentia | ps1/ps2 games are really enjoyable |
| 23:29.51 | kergoth | so spending the afternoon playing splinter cell |
| 23:30.02 | treke|home | good game |
| 23:30.02 | absentia | but I still prefer pc games to console games |
| 23:30.05 | absentia | take diablo |
| 23:30.13 | absentia | on the ps, you couldn't not be on the same screen |
| 23:30.18 | absentia | for a wizard, that meant death |
| 23:30.26 | treke|home | absentia: hrm? |
| 23:30.28 | absentia | on the pc, as a wizard, I cuold be rooms away and still help the battle. |
| 23:30.37 | kergoth | console sucks for RTS as well |
| 23:30.45 | absentia | but for things like flying and driving games |
| 23:30.48 | kergoth | i mean try playing something like c&c generals with a controller |
| 23:30.48 | absentia | consoles are awesome |
| 23:30.50 | absentia | need for speed |
| 23:30.51 | absentia | etc |
| 23:30.53 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:30.54 | absentia | yup |
| 23:30.57 | absentia | need keyboard. |
| 23:31.05 | treke|home | kergoth: Make sure you remember to save your games. |
| 23:31.18 | kergoth | heheh, yeah |
| 23:31.23 | absentia | I bought most all the controllers |
| 23:31.23 | treke|home | kergoth: I get forgetting, so I'd have to play through another unplanned level before I could stop |
| 23:31.27 | absentia | max memory plugs |
| 23:31.31 | absentia | all were stolen |
| 23:31.32 | absentia | :-< |
| 23:31.39 | treke|home | If you just leave it, the game freezes. Dammit |
| 23:31.46 | absentia | the only thing electronic that wasn't stolen was an extension cord. |
| 23:31.48 | absentia | heheh |
| 23:32.02 | absentia | man, the debian-big is *still* untarring. |
| 23:32.11 | treke|home | 2 |
| 23:34.51 | kergoth | hm, whats a good ps2 motorcycle racing game? preferably street rather than offroad |
| 23:35.26 | treke|home | not much of a racing person |
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| 23:47.41 | festr | hi |
| 23:48.02 | festr | anyone help me? :) |
| 23:48.24 | absentia | depends |
| 23:49.08 | festr | i want to start to compile some own things (such as sdl and so on.) but i dont know, where to start (compiling in linux is ok) |
| 23:49.25 | festr | so compiling is possible on pc or on zaurus too? |
| 23:50.04 | absentia | yes |
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| 23:50.30 | TCMAN | hi |
| 23:50.55 | festr | absentia do you know about some image on which i can start compiling? |
| 23:51.29 | festr | or anyone of you have zaurus 5500 and http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/oz-snapshot-03080xx ? |
| 23:54.28 | TCMAN | festr: what is in this snapshot ? |
| 23:54.45 | festr | opie 1.0 |
| 23:55.03 | TCMAN | its all 2.4.6 based |
| 23:55.05 | festr | 030806 opie 1.1 but usb dont work |
| 23:55.07 | festr | yes |
| 23:55.38 | festr | do you know about some snapshot with latest opie and kernel etc.. (OZ) |
| 23:55.46 | festr | with working usb |
| 23:56.44 | TheMasterMind1 | festr look at the topic in #openzaurus |
| 23:57.01 | festr | thanks have anyone tryed that? |
| 23:57.09 | festr | with Z5500 |
| 23:57.10 | festr | ? |
| 23:57.38 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 23:57.43 | TheMasterMind1 | its still beta |
| 23:57.49 | TheMasterMind1 | lots of stuff doesn't work |
| 23:57.49 | festr | usb work? |
| 23:57.54 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno |
| 23:57.59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth heh. |
| 23:58.30 | festr | anyone here can compile sdl ? |
| 23:59.21 | Bala | yes people can compile it... why? |
| 23:59.50 | festr | i would like to compile own thinks, but dont know how to start... :-) |
| 23:59.57 | festr | what to get and where |