| 00:00.46 | zar | oh I got a stand that velcros to the dash :) |
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| 00:02.02 | treke | what is the appeal of war driving? |
| 00:02.17 | Neo|Work | the package I bought has software (TomTom Navigator - like the looks / features of it), gps unit and mounting kit |
| 00:02.18 | pb_ | argh, evo in debian crashes whenever you try to attach a file. |
| 00:02.41 | zar | treke nothing but when Im workin in a town and theres no local internet connects it comes in handy |
| 00:02.52 | treke | pb_: fun |
| 00:03.03 | treke | pb_: btw, are there any plans to work on syncing in gpe? |
| 00:03.19 | zar | that and my acoustic coupler dosn't work on every payphone :) |
| 00:03.26 | pb_ | treke: I started work on it while I was in ottawa, but got bogged down in SASL issues and then distracted by other things. |
| 00:03.47 | treke | pb_: going to use something like multisync? |
| 00:03.52 | pb_ | yeah |
| 00:03.55 | treke | or write your own app? |
| 00:04.07 | pb_ | probably do plugins for multisync and kitchensync |
| 00:04.27 | pb_ | I was looking at multisync first. |
| 00:04.34 | treke | cool. people will be able to sync their opie installs to their gpe installs :) |
| 00:04.38 | pb_ | heh |
| 00:04.52 | treke | I'd be in hog heaven if multisync could speak to exchange |
| 00:05.33 | pb_ | ooh, crumbs, I wonder if this is a glibc bug. |
| 00:05.35 | pb_ | hm |
| 00:05.51 | pb_ | treke: ah, you use exchange? |
| 00:05.59 | treke | yup |
| 00:06.22 | treke | for now I have to be content with syncing it with local evolution folders |
| 00:06.29 | pb_ | right |
| 00:08.33 | treke | pb_: assuming ximian connector sticks around for a while, that might change. There were some rumors about ximian looking about using it as the semi official sync tool |
| 00:08.43 | treke | pb_: instead of the current dependency on gnome pilot |
| 00:09.37 | pb_ | that'd be neat. |
| 00:09.59 | treke | seems kinda brain dead to hard code your syncing capabilities to palm pilots |
| 00:11.41 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.56 | pb_ | treke: yeah, that's seemed lame for a long time now. |
| 00:12.27 | pb_ | I guess it was excusable when evo was first written and palms were more or less the only game in town, but nowadays it's just embarrassing. |
| 00:12.40 | treke | yeah |
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| 00:16.49 | fishhead- | OKAY, WHO LET THE CANUCKS NEAR THE SERVER ROOM AGAIN ? |
| 00:17.13 | treke | pb_: It would also be nice if it was a bit more clear that it completed syncing :) |
| 00:17.34 | treke | I keep trying to debug the sync failure when it in fact worked properly :) |
| 00:17.38 | pb_ | hehe |
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| 00:18.22 | treke | "Waiting for changes" is a bit unhelpful :) |
| 00:19.04 | treke | fishhead-: do you try to be offensive or does it come naturally? |
| 00:19.20 | kergoth | exactly. |
| 00:19.27 | kergoth | took the words right out of my mouth |
| 00:19.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:19.37 | pb_ | heh, quite. |
| 00:20.11 | pb_ | :-) |
| 00:20.52 | fishhead- | kergoth you do realize that God hates fags right ? |
| 00:21.10 | kergoth | fishhead-: what? |
| 00:21.16 | Neo|Work | damn |
| 00:21.23 | Neo|Work | no channel I can kick fishhead- from |
| 00:21.30 | Neo|Work | wait what am I saying |
| 00:21.36 | *** mode/#openembedded [+b *!*@*.client.attbi.com] by Neo|Work |
| 00:21.46 | Neo|Work | uh |
| 00:21.51 | kergoth | that ban is wayyyy too broad |
| 00:21.51 | Neo|Work | dumb thing to ban |
| 00:21.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:21.53 | treke | Neo|Work: banning all of att might be a problem :) |
| 00:22.00 | *** mode/#openembedded [-b *!*@*.client.attbi.com] by Neo|Work |
| 00:22.04 | Neo|Work | that'd ban me. :-)) |
| 00:22.10 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 00:23.19 | nightfire | arch/arm/kernel/kernel.o(.text.init+0x1160): In function `genarch_init_irq': |
| 00:23.22 | nightfire | : undefined reference to `irq_init_irq' |
| 00:23.29 | nightfire | i know i've seen this before.. |
| 00:24.29 | *** mode/#openembedded [-b *!*@12-227-27-36.client.attbi.com] by Neo|Work |
| 00:24.35 | Neo|Work | you've been warned. |
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| 00:25.16 | kergoth | Neo|Work: warning didnt help. |
| 00:26.02 | fishhead- | wait it wasn't perm ? |
| 00:26.07 | noidd | hmmmm, opie v1 released |
| 00:26.09 | *** kick/#openembedded [fishhead-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (kergoth) |
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| 00:26.10 | noidd | shiny |
| 00:26.21 | treke | noidd: very |
| 00:26.25 | *** mode/#openembedded [+b *!*@12-227-27-36.client.attbi.com]] by kergoth |
| 00:26.26 | *** kick/#openembedded [fishhead-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (kergoth) |
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| 00:26.34 | nightfire | noidd: it made /. :) |
| 00:26.42 | noidd | indeed :-) |
| 00:28.03 | pb_ | $ grep "04/Aug" opie.handhelds.org-access_log| wc -l |
| 00:28.03 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.03 | pb_ | $ grep "05/Aug" opie.handhelds.org-access_log| wc -l |
| 00:28.03 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.04 | pb_ | heh |
| 00:28.11 | treke | wtf? |
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| 00:28.16 | nightfire | wow. |
| 00:28.36 | Neo|Work | nice |
| 00:28.37 | nightfire | and they didn't even have a link on the main page :) |
| 00:28.43 | treke | oh /, |
| 00:28.45 | noidd | that rocks |
| 00:29.00 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:29.01 | *** kick/#openembedded [fishhead-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (kergoth) |
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| 00:29.02 | *** part/#openembedded fishhead- (~LS240@12-227-27-36.client.attbi.com) |
| 00:29.06 | kergoth | there we go |
| 00:29.16 | noidd | fishead causing issues? |
| 00:29.24 | treke | is he going to go off and threaten to kill us again? |
| 00:29.39 | nightfire | man, you guys need to spend some time on efnet :) |
| 00:29.53 | Neo|Work | <fishhead-> I could make your life miserable for yrs to come |
| 00:29.53 | Neo|Work | <fishhead-> not even worth it |
| 00:29.53 | Neo|Work | <Neo|Work> oh please, give me a break. |
| 00:29.53 | Neo|Work | <fishhead-> I should write a book for all the legal ways I have come up with for fucking with people that fuck with me |
| 00:29.53 | Neo|Work | <fishhead-> I'd probably sell millions |
| 00:29.53 | zar | lol |
| 00:30.12 | Neo|Work | <fishhead-> it's a shame murder is still against the law |
| 00:30.28 | mewyn | idiot |
| 00:30.43 | kergoth | lol |
| 00:30.44 | kergoth | de ja vu |
| 00:30.49 | Neo|Work | I'm so afraid |
| 00:30.49 | treke | anyone done a libsdl-qte build lately? |
| 00:30.57 | zar | didnt this happen last week too? |
| 00:30.57 | Neo|Work | should get him k-lined.. or is it g-lines? |
| 00:31.06 | Neo|Work | whatever "banned from network" is |
| 00:31.08 | treke | Neo|Work: if he messages me I'll be doing that |
| 00:31.11 | nightfire | treke: i will be in a few minutes |
| 00:31.38 | mewyn | oh, yah, that other guy from a year a go... i forget his nick... the one who was going off about us hacking his box |
| 00:31.49 | treke | hehe mark novak :) |
| 00:31.56 | mewyn | that's it! |
| 00:32.05 | nightfire | treke: i'll let you know how i fair |
| 00:33.00 | treke | haha. he pasted that into #handhelds.org also |
| 00:34.00 | Neo|Work | treke: who pasted what? |
| 00:34.30 | zar | lma0 |
| 00:34.37 | treke | Neo|Work: the I hope your kids are run over by a school bus |
| 00:35.48 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 00:37.06 | Neo|Work | such a sweet and considerate person |
| 00:37.40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:50.11 | Neo|Work | hmm. Think I'll go home. |
| 00:50.48 | chouimat | any log of fishhead idiocy? I missed that |
| 00:50.59 | nightfire | --20:50:40-- ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ncurses/ncurses_5.3.20030510.orig.tar.gz |
| 00:51.01 | nightfire | No such file `ncurses_5.3.20030510.orig.tar.gz'. |
| 00:51.04 | nightfire | doh. |
| 00:52.00 | treke | pb_: Is usb flashing in any way usable? |
| 00:52.02 | nightfire | someone should set up a distro site for all the common packages that don't change frequently |
| 00:52.13 | pb_ | treke: it works for some people some of the time. |
| 00:52.17 | Neo|Work | you know, perhaps fishhead was referring to someone letting in small canadian horses in the serverroom. :) |
| 00:52.19 | treke | hmmm |
| 00:52.38 | pb_ | treke: but it's sufficiently flaky that we didn't consider it worthwhile advertising as a supported feature for familiar 0.7. |
| 00:52.54 | pb_ | I never made it work here. Apparently it doesn't get on with OHCI hosts, for one thing. |
| 00:53.09 | treke | hehe |
| 00:53.35 | pb_ | and, conversely, my only UHCI machine doesn't get on with ipaqs: it tends to lock up when I plug in the handheld. |
| 00:53.52 | chouimat | Neo|Work: I'm feeling hurt by his comment on canucks ... |
| 00:54.10 | pb_ | chouimat: seems to be some strange fixation he has. |
| 00:54.16 | treke | pb_: hehe |
| 00:54.32 | chouimat | pb_: maybe he has still some issues with the defeat of 1812 |
| 00:54.44 | pb_ | I'm sure that same dude was in here last week screaming something about canucks. |
| 00:54.53 | nightfire | hmm |
| 00:55.42 | pb_ | chouimat: heh |
| 00:55.53 | chouimat | pb_: hehe |
| 00:56.13 | chouimat | pb_: you have some too? |
| 00:58.21 | Neo|Work | chouimat: well, right, he seems to want to put an insult or threat in every sentence |
| 00:59.16 | chouimat | Neo|Work: George- is annoying but fishhead is worse |
| 01:00.47 | Neo|Work | George- isn't offensive generally |
| 01:04.37 | noidd | damn, this X compilation issue i ad before has returned :-/ |
| 01:04.46 | noidd | if only i could remember the fix I was told last time] |
| 01:12.25 | nightfire | arch/arm/kernel/kernel.o(.text.init+0x1160): In function `genarch_init_irq': |
| 01:12.25 | nightfire | : undefined reference to `irq_init_irq' |
| 01:12.29 | nightfire | make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 |
| 01:12.34 | nightfire | am i doing something obviously wrong? |
| 01:12.42 | nightfire | that's 2.4.21-cl with gcc-3.3 |
| 01:13.52 | kergoth`bbl | i've never seen that |
| 01:14.00 | nightfire | damn. |
| 01:14.27 | nightfire | i should be using ARCH=arm, right? |
| 01:15.29 | kergoth`bbl | yep. ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux- |
| 01:16.01 | nightfire | weird. |
| 01:17.36 | noidd | in compiling X |
| 01:17.36 | noidd | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.40 | noidd | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.40 | noidd | -DCROSSCOMPILE_CPP imakemdep.h > imakemdep_cpp.h; \ |
| 01:17.40 | noidd | else touch imakemdep_cpp.h; fi |
| 01:17.40 | noidd | imakemdep.h:779: linux/version.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:17.40 | noidd | make[4]: *** [imakemdep_cpp.h] Error 1 |
| 01:18.31 | noidd | annoying thing is that i've fixed this before - something wierd about X's build system |
| 01:18.38 | noidd | i'm just annoyed I don't remember how |
| 01:19.22 | nightfire | hmm... i think i'm going to write a little I/O indicator for the opie taskbar |
| 01:19.26 | nightfire | hd disk style |
| 01:19.54 | nightfire | from the dept. of redundancy department. |
| 01:21.14 | noidd | haha, cute idea :-0 |
| 01:26.45 | nightfire | i'm really starting to like OZ's package management system |
| 01:27.39 | treke | nightfire: you are a sick sick man |
| 01:28.09 | nightfire | it's simple, and it does what you tell it :) |
| 01:28.20 | nightfire | it's refreshing... like the days of slackware 3 :) |
| 01:28.36 | treke | do we use a different ipkg? |
| 01:28.43 | nightfire | hehe |
| 01:28.46 | nightfire | ok, ok. |
| 01:29.12 | nightfire | maybe i'm just happy because everything's starting to come together on my zaurus |
| 01:29.28 | nightfire | the only issues i have now are busted sound and flaky suspend |
| 01:29.35 | nightfire | but i suspect those will go away with 2.4.21 |
| 01:58.54 | chouimat | night |
| 02:02.04 | zar | AMD has demonstrated a new Linux-based handheld at LinuxWorld. The OpenPDA runs on low-power Alchemy chips, with support for USB, Ethernet, UARTS. Here is press release. Among the highlights are: A comprehensive Metrowerks suit as the basis of OpenPDA applications, Qt, Java, Opera browser." |
| 02:02.10 | nightfire | is 2.4.21 /supposed/ to build for pxa250? |
| 02:02.21 | nightfire | or just the chip in collie |
| 02:02.46 | kergoth`bbl | nightfire: ? |
| 02:03.12 | nightfire | kergoth`bbl: have you actually built 2.4.21 for the shepherd? |
| 02:03.14 | nightfire | -the |
| 02:03.22 | kergoth`bbl | no |
| 02:03.26 | nightfire | oh. |
| 02:03.29 | nightfire | well, doesn't seem to work. :) |
| 02:03.39 | kergoth`bbl | i havent put sharp's corgi/shepherd/husky patch into a tree based on the oz-2.4 core tree |
| 02:03.44 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 02:03.50 | nightfire | ah. |
| 02:07.11 | nightfire | mmm.. vindaloo |
| 02:11.57 | cyn2 | 2.4 ? |
| 02:12.14 | cyn2 | oh kernel |
| 02:12.17 | cyn2 | not oz |
| 02:18.07 | nightfire | damn, my beef vindaloo rivals all but the best restaurant quality |
| 02:18.15 | treke|home | mmmmh dinner |
| 02:18.26 | nightfire | heh |
| 02:18.34 | nightfire | damn, i'm on fire now :( |
| 02:19.18 | andersee | well, busybox.net/uclibc.org is back |
| 02:19.48 | andersee | kernel panic, probably bad ram since its been choking about once a month |
| 02:20.15 | kergoth`bbl | ah |
| 02:20.18 | nightfire | :) |
| 02:20.45 | andersee | I wish. But it isn't my box |
| 02:21.01 | andersee | I guy hosts it for me, somewhere in like Illinois |
| 02:21.04 | nightfire | ah |
| 02:21.11 | andersee | err "A guy" |
| 02:21.32 | nightfire | i wish my boss would let me host a few sites on our work connection |
| 02:21.47 | nightfire | we have a 10mbit connection at our disposal :/ |
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| 02:22.42 | Masticator | wazaa. |
| 02:23.15 | nightfire | wow, this au1100 looks seriously elite |
| 02:24.56 | Masticator | the alchemy processor? |
| 02:25.02 | Masticator | its pretty slick, yeah. |
| 02:25.08 | Masticator | highly integrated. |
| 02:25.16 | Masticator | AMD doesnt promote it very well, though. |
| 02:25.24 | nightfire | heh, like usual |
| 02:25.28 | Masticator | They should come up with a name for it that fits in with their other processor names |
| 02:25.38 | Masticator | I'd call it the Nanon or something |
| 02:25.45 | Masticator | Athlon, Opteron, Nanon |
| 02:27.06 | chouimat | or Moron |
| 02:27.31 | chouimat | i'm not sure about the marketing on that name |
| 02:27.46 | Masticator | Alchemy is a stupid name |
| 02:28.03 | nightfire | turning your money into magic? :) |
| 02:28.34 | chouimat | ok I'm off |
| 02:32.32 | collord | ar they talking about their wifi chip mated to the alchemy? |
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| 02:47.23 | nightfire | how is the backlight controlled on shepherd? via something in /proc / /dev? |
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| 03:29.18 | kergoth`bbl | k, sent doug at mvista the multievent and raw tslib patches. i dont expect raw to make it in, no big loss, but multievent i hope makes it. |
| 03:32.27 | ljp | I was all up for getting something done today, but now I feel like major slackin |
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| 03:35.57 | ljp | kergoth`bbl: you still have a c700? |
| 03:36.34 | kergoth`bbl | ljp: for now, need to send it back to dynamism |
| 03:38.30 | ljp | does time not get saved over a reboot for you? |
| 03:38.48 | kergoth`bbl | heh, never checked |
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| 03:39.35 | ljp | gets reverted to 1970 here. |
| 03:39.58 | kergoth`bbl | does the time get persistant if you suspend once before rebooting? |
| 03:40.19 | ljp | hmm |
| 03:43.47 | ljp | nope. same thing |
| 03:44.00 | kergoth`bbl | odd. opiealarm should have stored the time into the rtc on suspend |
| 03:44.04 | kergoth`bbl | and hwclock should be on shutdown/reboot |
| 03:44.42 | ljp | not opie. ;) |
| 03:45.02 | kergoth`bbl | then atd should have |
| 03:45.11 | kergoth`bbl | or qtopia will call hwclock directly |
| 03:45.18 | kergoth`bbl | iirc |
| 03:45.29 | ljp | hmm, |
| 03:48.35 | ljp | I think I had to not start atd because it was making hwclock not be able to write to rtc |
| 03:48.57 | ljp | this needs more investigations |
| 03:48.59 | kergoth`bbl | .. in which case qtopia writes a W to the trigger |
| 03:49.04 | kergoth`bbl | and thereby gets atd to write it for it |
| 03:49.06 | kergoth`bbl | iirc |
| 03:49.14 | ljp | oh.. hmm |
| 03:50.12 | ljp | I think OZ/qtopia is on a c700 at linux world |
| 03:50.35 | ljp | fyi |
| 03:56.33 | ljp | the post delivery guys here ride motorcycles |
| 04:00.59 | ljp | ~lart SCO |
| 04:02.36 | Masticator | any major updates in qtopia 1.7? |
| 04:03.26 | fishy | where is the 3.31 snapshot? |
| 04:03.36 | kergoth`bbl | 3.31 snapshot? |
| 04:03.41 | ljp | hmm, 1.7... |
| 04:03.53 | ljp | guess I should ask |
| 04:03.56 | fishy | yep kergoth :P |
| 04:04.02 | fishy | Or I should say |
| 04:04.07 | fishy | the latest OZ snapshot |
| 04:04.45 | kergoth`bbl | for what device? |
| 04:04.56 | fishy | collie |
| 04:05.11 | Masticator | SCO is a freakin criminal organization |
| 04:05.13 | kergoth`bbl | the only testing collie images available right now are 2.4.21 testing images, with no sd, and iffy keyboard. |
| 04:05.32 | Masticator | 199 bucks per workstation and 700 bucks per processor for server? they are insane |
| 04:05.44 | Masticator | so that I can pay them for the redhat I already bought? |
| 04:05.52 | Masticator | or for debian? |
| 04:06.29 | Masticator | I swear, all that's needed is to divert a few stealth bombers from hallerman AFB... |
| 04:06.43 | Masticator | couple of well placed 2000lb LGB's |
| 04:07.25 | ljp | http://qtopia.net/releasenotes/ |
| 04:07.34 | ljp | I think that is public info. ;) |
| 04:08.07 | Masticator | quicklaunching by preloading |
| 04:08.09 | Masticator | big deal |
| 04:08.16 | ljp | nothing specific there, really |
| 04:08.19 | Masticator | what it needs is prelink |
| 04:08.42 | treke|home | and gcc 3.2 |
| 04:08.46 | treke|home | and qt 3 |
| 04:08.50 | Masticator | yeah |
| 04:08.54 | ljp | compiles on gcc3.3 |
| 04:09.06 | treke|home | and more opie |
| 04:09.26 | treke|home | and a complete axim linux port |
| 04:09.48 | treke|home | otherwise it looks good |
| 04:10.03 | treke|home | Masticator: What I dont get is, wasnt that already there? |
| 04:10.37 | ljp | more opie? |
| 04:10.49 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.58 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.02 | treke|home | those look good |
| 04:19.25 | Masticator | hey, who won last comic standing |
| 04:26.42 | ljp | dunno. whats that? |
| 04:29.52 | nightfire | hmm.. what does it take to run the old sharp binaries under OZ? |
| 04:30.01 | treke|home | nothing |
| 04:30.05 | nightfire | seems they like to segfault for me |
| 04:30.21 | nightfire | should i be using their libraries? |
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| 04:51.38 | treke|home | man. DF is slow as ass |
| 04:56.37 | W8TVI | wb kergoth] |
| 04:56.59 | W8TVI | kergoth: my server will be here thursday :) |
| 04:57.21 | kergoth | nice |
| 04:58.24 | W8TVI | any idea where I can get libgcc1 for my z? |
| 04:58.44 | andersee | W8TVI: from gcc |
| 04:59.20 | W8TVI | on what? from where? |
| 04:59.23 | treke|home | andersee: I thought it was part of libxml |
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| 05:07.54 | nightfire | oh wow thekompany rules |
| 05:08.09 | treke|home | you arent allowed to say that in here |
| 05:08.21 | nightfire | oh.. why? :) |
| 05:08.54 | nightfire | tkcplayer is really nice |
| 05:09.06 | kergoth | dont expect support on it. |
| 05:09.12 | nightfire | from them? |
| 05:09.17 | treke|home | yup |
| 05:09.19 | kergoth | yeah |
| 05:09.37 | nightfire | hmm.. |
| 05:09.42 | nightfire | well, it /looks/ nice. |
| 05:10.09 | nightfire | and opie-mediaplayer2 is screwed on my box |
| 05:11.42 | andersee | If I run the vncserver on the Z, and a vncviewer on my desktop, am I supposed to be able to use the viewer to click on stuff? |
| 05:11.50 | andersee | because I can't |
| 05:11.57 | kergoth | yeah, you need to calibrate the vnc server though |
| 05:12.12 | kergoth | install the server, reboot, then the first thing you do with the ts, tap the upper left, then lower right |
| 05:12.15 | kergoth | then it'll work |
| 05:12.21 | Twiun | morning |
| 05:12.31 | kergoth | stupid thing, they shouldve made it read /etc/pointercal |
| 05:12.49 | kergoth | hell, they shouldve made it use tslib for the event reads |
| 05:12.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:13.00 | andersee | kergoth: yeah |
| 05:13.03 | andersee | kergoth: thx |
| 05:13.05 | kergoth | np |
| 05:13.12 | Twiun | isn't their code available? |
| 05:13.17 | kergoth | yeah |
| 05:13.21 | kergoth | you havfe spare time to fix it? |
| 05:13.24 | kergoth | cause i sure as hell done |
| 05:13.25 | kergoth | dont |
| 05:13.26 | kergoth | heheh |
| 05:13.34 | Twiun | not atm, but I'll add it on my todo |
| 05:13.40 | andersee | kergoth: btw, my SD card arrived |
| 05:13.43 | andersee | :-) |
| 05:13.51 | ljp | I think fastolfe tried to make it read pointercal, but for some reason, didnt work right |
| 05:13.51 | Twiun | kergoth: one thing which is holding me back though |
| 05:14.03 | ljp | too long ago to remember, really |
| 05:14.03 | kergoth | andersee: ah nice |
| 05:14.06 | kergoth | Twiun: hm? |
| 05:14.29 | Twiun | kergoth: building my own image, with all three ts packages installed, calibrate doesn't respond to ts events, what am I missing? |
| 05:14.52 | kergoth | 'calibrate' |
| 05:14.55 | kergoth | which calibrate? |
| 05:14.59 | kergoth | and which packages? |
| 05:15.13 | Twiun | the calibrate that starts automagically on first boot |
| 05:15.21 | kergoth | so opie's calibrate |
| 05:15.24 | kergoth | so its going through qt |
| 05:15.28 | kergoth | did you enable qt to use tslib? |
| 05:15.32 | Twiun | and the libts, tslib-common and tslib-tools |
| 05:15.48 | andersee | kergoth: tried it. |
| 05:15.52 | andersee | kergoth: still doesn't work |
| 05:16.10 | kergoth | andersee: there's a file in /etc it creates, you'll probably need to remove it if it exists |
| 05:16.12 | Twiun | kergoth: yup 'use tslib' is checked |
| 05:16.21 | kergoth | andersee: to force it to redo the calibration |
| 05:16.38 | Twiun | kergoth: on the positive side, it seems that the packages file which doesn't do deps recursion works |
| 05:16.53 | kergoth | Twiun: nice, simplicity rocks |
| 05:17.04 | kergoth | Twiun: what device and kernel version? |
| 05:17.53 | Twiun | kergoth: 2.4.21 and 5000d |
| 05:18.01 | nightfire | should i be using atd or opie-alarm? |
| 05:18.12 | nightfire | my time gets reset across boots/suspends |
| 05:18.28 | kergoth | Twiun: hmm, try building a minimal image, without opie, and running ts_calibrate |
| 05:18.37 | kergoth | nightfire: opiealarm if using opie |
| 05:18.37 | andersee | kergoth: "/etc/.configured"? |
| 05:18.50 | kergoth | andersee: nah, thats the file for our reconfiguring packages step.. |
| 05:18.52 | Twiun | kergoth: ok |
| 05:18.55 | kergoth | hmm, what was it called again |
| 05:19.08 | nightfire | should it be running at all times? |
| 05:19.20 | kergoth | nope |
| 05:19.26 | kergoth | it gets called on suspend and on resume |
| 05:19.28 | kergoth | thats it |
| 05:19.51 | nightfire | hmm.. seems to die on resume if i have apmd running |
| 05:19.52 | Masticator | jesus christ |
| 05:19.57 | Masticator | dat fucking phan |
| 05:20.01 | Masticator | america sucks |
| 05:20.29 | Twiun | just used a Palm for the first time... |
| 05:20.42 | Twiun | much prefer the easy, clean interface |
| 05:20.51 | Masticator | yeah its clean |
| 05:20.57 | Masticator | the palm interface rules |
| 05:21.06 | Twiun | I love the lack of titlebars |
| 05:21.10 | W8TVI | its sucks |
| 05:21.14 | Masticator | unfortunately from a capability standpoint, palm Os blows |
| 05:21.20 | W8TVI | you cant DO anything with it |
| 05:21.28 | nightfire | it's single threaded |
| 05:21.34 | Twiun | W8TVI: eh? |
| 05:21.41 | W8TVI | a real OS has a command line |
| 05:21.48 | nightfire | heh |
| 05:21.51 | W8TVI | Linux/unix has it... |
| 05:21.54 | Twiun | I'm talking GUI usability here |
| 05:21.59 | W8TVI | windows has it... |
| 05:22.01 | Twiun | command line we have on the Z already |
| 05:22.02 | kergoth | W8TVI: he's talking about UI issues, not power/flexibility |
| 05:22.09 | W8TVI | even mac os 10 has it...lol |
| 05:22.38 | W8TVI | I want to to run OS 10 on my PC |
| 05:23.26 | W8TVI | well.. |
| 05:23.31 | andersee | kergoth: /etc/tssim_cal.conf |
| 05:23.33 | W8TVI | I want to run the GGI |
| 05:23.39 | W8TVI | GUI |
| 05:23.39 | kergoth | andersee: ah yeah, there ya go :) |
| 05:24.04 | andersee | kergoth: not used for anything else? |
| 05:24.11 | kergoth | andersee: correct |
| 05:24.15 | nightfire | anyone running a c7x0, does the suspend/resume cycle work with apmd running? |
| 05:24.29 | kergoth | nightfire: hehe, vi /usr/bin/apm |
| 05:24.36 | kergoth | nightfire: note the if block in teh shell script |
| 05:24.42 | nightfire | wha |
| 05:24.43 | nightfire | hmm |
| 05:24.48 | kergoth | nightfire: note that it doesnt include any handling for the fact that this is a c7x0 |
| 05:24.48 | nightfire | sec, rebooting. :) |
| 05:24.55 | kergoth | nightfire: you need it to call the killall, not the apm.orig |
| 05:25.08 | kergoth | due to it suffering from the same embedix apm implementation issue |
| 05:25.24 | nightfire | which issue is that? |
| 05:25.36 | kergoth | if apmd has the apm device open |
| 05:25.45 | kergoth | and you run the apm binary, which also opens it to issue the suspend |
| 05:25.49 | kergoth | your Z will never wake up. |
| 05:25.54 | nightfire | ahhh |
| 05:25.56 | nightfire | hahah |
| 05:25.58 | kergoth | if you send apmd a signal, and _it_ suspends, it works fine |
| 05:26.02 | ljp | suspends/resumes fine here |
| 05:26.03 | kergoth | hence our gross hack |
| 05:26.06 | nightfire | i see. |
| 05:26.22 | kergoth | i think it works on corgi right now, but not on shepherd |
| 05:26.46 | nightfire | adding it now |
| 05:28.09 | nightfire | woohoo |
| 05:28.15 | nightfire | thanks :) |
| 05:28.34 | kergoth | np |
| 05:28.53 | kergoth | fixing that's on the todo, along with the other 872516 items |
| 05:28.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:28.56 | nightfire | this is great.. almost completely functional now |
| 05:29.25 | ljp | wow, thats a lot of stuff to fix. you best get hoppin! |
| 05:29.32 | nightfire | heh |
| 05:29.36 | nightfire | i can do grunt work.. |
| 05:29.39 | nightfire | if you're looking for help |
| 05:29.45 | nightfire | basic scripting.. but that's about it :) |
| 05:29.49 | andersee | kergoth: cool, its working |
| 05:29.52 | kergoth | we really need a bug tracking / task tracking app that doesnt suck |
| 05:30.01 | ljp | nightfire: does it save time over a reboot? |
| 05:30.01 | nightfire | an app, or an installation? |
| 05:30.08 | nightfire | ljp: testing that now |
| 05:30.11 | kergoth | an installation, to track oz tasks |
| 05:30.16 | kergoth | am looking into RT |
| 05:30.21 | kergoth | which seems quite nice |
| 05:30.21 | ljp | mine doesnt. but I amusing qtopia |
| 05:31.10 | ljp | heh not amusing qtopia, I meant am using it.. heheheh |
| 05:31.27 | nightfire | ifconfig -a |
| 05:31.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:31.31 | nightfire | yikes |
| 05:31.38 | kergoth | qtopia doesnt amuse ljp, ljp amuses qtopia! |
| 05:31.44 | nightfire | haha |
| 05:32.36 | ljp | hehehe. does oz only run on ipaq 3x00? |
| 05:32.40 | nightfire | is there a hardware clock on these things? |
| 05:32.45 | nightfire | um |
| 05:32.48 | nightfire | let me rephrase that |
| 05:32.49 | nightfire | heh |
| 05:32.59 | kergoth | there's a hardware rtc |
| 05:33.05 | kergoth | that hwclock and opiealarm write to |
| 05:33.10 | nightfire | is there a clock that stores/runs the time while the system's down |
| 05:33.14 | nightfire | ah |
| 05:33.30 | ljp | ah ha! it doesnt survive a reboot, eh? |
| 05:33.52 | kergoth | set the date |
| 05:33.56 | kergoth | then call hwclock -systohc |
| 05:33.58 | nightfire | er |
| 05:34.02 | nightfire | yes it does! |
| 05:34.08 | nightfire | this is too good to be true |
| 05:34.12 | kergoth | nice |
| 05:34.16 | ljp | poop |
| 05:34.16 | nightfire | let's see if it wakes up for an event |
| 05:34.46 | ljp | that pisses me off, cause its either qtopia or something else.. |
| 05:34.52 | ljp | that I did here |
| 05:35.34 | nightfire | hmm |
| 05:35.40 | nightfire | why are you using qtopia? |
| 05:35.48 | kergoth | because he works for trolltech |
| 05:35.52 | nightfire | ahh |
| 05:35.53 | nightfire | haha |
| 05:35.55 | ljp | cause my employer is making me |
| 05:35.56 | nightfire | ahem. |
| 05:36.05 | nightfire | awesome, it woke up for an event, too. |
| 05:36.13 | kergoth | nightfire: this shepherd? |
| 05:36.19 | nightfire | well, husky |
| 05:36.24 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 05:36.29 | kergoth | nice to get confirmation of sanity |
| 05:37.14 | nightfire | i should say, there's a fair bit of crap you have to do to get it to this point |
| 05:37.21 | nightfire | outside the scope of the instructions |
| 05:37.43 | ljp | actually, they arent making me use qtopia. I want too. |
| 05:37.48 | nightfire | i kept some notes though, so if anyone else runs into similar trouble i can make up a page or something |
| 05:38.05 | kergoth | nightfire: do it. openembedded.org has a wiki :) |
| 05:38.06 | kergoth | heheh |
| 05:38.11 | nightfire | k. |
| 05:38.18 | nightfire | :) |
| 05:38.20 | kergoth | there are probably alot of low priority tasks we can associate to those items you had to do |
| 05:38.52 | nightfire | aight, bed time |
| 05:38.54 | nightfire | night everyone |
| 05:39.26 | kergoth | night |
| 05:42.22 | Twiun | kergoth: seen Spencer's latest post? |
| 05:42.31 | Twiun | kergoth: CodeWarrior for Z dev on windows |
| 05:42.33 | kergoth | nope, i'm fairly out of the loop |
| 05:42.34 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:42.35 | kergoth | nice |
| 05:43.37 | Twiun | $799 |
| 05:43.39 | Twiun | yikes |
| 05:43.53 | Twiun | I'll stick with OZ+linux for now |
| 05:44.14 | kergoth | or even cygwin,worst case |
| 05:44.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:45.16 | Twiun | yeah |
| 05:45.39 | Twiun | although an IDE which does Qt+gcc and/or Java on windows sounds sweet |
| 05:46.02 | kergoth | yeah |
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| 05:53.06 | ljp | emacs is all you need |
| 05:53.12 | kergoth | vim! |
| 05:53.17 | ljp | emacs! |
| 05:53.41 | kergoth | while true; do echo 'vim!'; done |
| 05:53.45 | ljp | is there vim for windows? |
| 05:53.50 | kergoth | yeah |
| 05:53.56 | kergoth | vim and gvim are both avail |
| 05:54.05 | kergoth | gvim has right click menu opts in explorer |
| 05:54.09 | kergoth | 'edit in gvim' |
| 05:54.11 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 05:54.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:54.17 | ljp | bah. thats easy to add |
| 05:54.26 | ljp | bat file can do that |
| 05:54.31 | kergoth | yep, still handy |
| 05:54.41 | ljp | very true |
| 05:54.45 | ljp | man winxp sucks |
| 05:54.52 | kergoth | winxp is a RAM hog |
| 05:54.54 | W8TVI | WinSCP is very handy |
| 05:55.03 | ljp | "you want to activate your windows?" |
| 05:55.22 | kergoth | 'activate' |
| 05:55.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:55.24 | ljp | <ljp> not really, but you make me do it |
| 05:55.32 | kergoth | dont forget to turn off the windows update service |
| 05:55.41 | ljp | ya, no auto downloads |
| 05:55.48 | Twiun | kergoth: boot up to login dialogue took 1m20s with new packages script - bottleneck is the ssh-server package |
| 05:56.09 | kergoth | Twiun: not surprising |
| 05:56.10 | kergoth | cool |
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| 06:04.39 | ljp | cant post that is |
| 06:05.28 | noidd | No such file `ncurses_5.3.20030510.orig.tar.gz'. |
| 06:05.28 | noidd | WGET returned an error |
| 06:05.33 | noidd | arse |
| 06:05.49 | noidd | time to go library hunting again |
| 06:12.16 | Masticator | zaurus.com is down? |
| 06:14.10 | ljp | no, its just farcked. |
| 06:14.22 | ljp | changed email addy, and now I cant log in |
| 06:16.00 | ljp | maybe TT blocks things from sharp |
| 06:16.03 | ljp | hehee |
| 06:17.19 | Twiun | we really need a central proxyoing download site |
| 06:18.04 | noidd | bumped version in Makefile |
| 06:18.13 | W8TVI | latter all |
| 06:18.42 | noidd | compiles with no warnings - testing then pushing |
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| 08:58.56 | Harlekin | lo |
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| 09:15.28 | funkyjoe | hi there.... i tried to compile buildroot-oz, libpcap, compile fails and told me about this: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_LBL_C_INIT. could someone help me? |
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| 09:58.41 | hcl | ibot, oz buildroot |
| 09:58.42 | | [oz bk] bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 10:00.32 | Harlekin | ibot: bk log |
| 10:00.33 | | Harlekin: are you using Windows? |
| 10:00.37 | Harlekin | ibot: bk changelog |
| 10:00.37 | | Harlekin: are you using Windows? |
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| 10:04.07 | hcl | ibot, oz toolchain |
| 10:04.08 | | oz toolchain is, like, http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 10:43.47 | pb_ | anybody happen to know the URL for c750 kernel sources? |
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| 11:24.42 | Twiun | yo |
| 11:24.47 | pb_ | hey Twiun |
| 11:25.24 | Twiun | just got the opie 1.0 image to oops :( |
| 11:25.33 | Twiun | erm, :) rather |
| 11:25.49 | Twiun | what's your achievement for the day? |
| 11:26.19 | pb_ | just converted my c750 to english and downloaded the kernel source for it. |
| 11:26.32 | pb_ | fairly a modest achievement as these things go, but still. |
| 11:26.58 | Twiun | it's a step forwards at least |
| 11:27.04 | pb_ | yep |
| 11:27.26 | Twiun | I've got 2.4.21 to boot happily (save for a few missing modules) but ts calibration is still a no go |
| 11:27.34 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 11:27.36 | Twiun | ts_calibrate is unreliable |
| 11:27.53 | Twiun | sometimes it just stops responding to events |
| 11:28.00 | pb_ | that's bizarre. |
| 11:28.13 | Twiun | yeah, I thought so too - so I tried the ts_print |
| 11:28.19 | Twiun | same problem |
| 11:28.39 | Twiun | worse part is it's bretty arpitrary as to how long it'll work |
| 11:28.45 | Twiun | s/worse/worst |
| 11:30.29 | pb_ | is your ts driver still generating events when this happens? |
| 11:30.43 | Twiun | how do I find out? |
| 11:31.10 | pb_ | try reading from /dev/ts by hand, I guess |
| 11:33.25 | Twiun | yup, it still receives events |
| 11:36.23 | Harlekin | do i need binutils on the image? |
| 11:37.10 | Twiun | I don't see a binutils ipk in my output/ipks dir, so I suppose not |
| 11:54.10 | Twiun | hey mickeyl |
| 11:54.15 | mickeyl | hi Twiun |
| 11:54.49 | Twiun | how do I create my rsa key to send to kergoth again? |
| 11:55.02 | mickeyl | Twiun: ssh-keygen -t rsa1 |
| 11:55.04 | mickeyl | (from memory) |
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| 11:55.59 | Twiun | and it's identity.pub I send off, right? |
| 11:56.04 | mickeyl | right |
| 11:57.16 | Twiun | cool... just need to get that onto this windows box and off it goes |
| 11:58.32 | mickeyl | didn't you already have an account? |
| 11:59.54 | Twiun | yeah, but I moved everything to another machine, with a different domain name and everything |
| 12:00.13 | Twiun | plus this key's without a passphrase - got tired of typing it in |
| 12:00.25 | pb_ | Twiun: use ssh-agent |
| 12:00.28 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 12:00.33 | mickeyl | ever heard about ssh-agent |
| 12:00.40 | mickeyl | no passphrase is dangerous |
| 12:00.56 | Twiun | heard whispers about ssh-agent, but haven't taken a good look yet |
| 12:01.03 | Harlekin | tst |
| 12:01.04 | Harlekin | s |
| 12:01.23 | Twiun | oh, very well |
| 12:01.35 | pb_ | heh |
| 12:04.31 | Twiun | ok, got it loaded |
| 12:04.50 | Twiun | and have a new key generated |
| 12:07.35 | Twiun | once that's through, I'll commit my changes to the packages script |
| 12:10.01 | mickeyl | you will have to wait until kergoth has added that key... |
| 12:12.05 | Twiun | "< Twiun> once that's through," |
| 12:12.16 | Twiun | yup, there's no particular rush |
| 12:12.52 | Twiun | I'd really like to be able to run the ssh files concurrently to the rest though - need to find a way of doing that |
| 12:19.30 | tux_mike | no business like SCO business |
| 12:34.14 | Harlekin | new hostap? |
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| 14:13.15 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:16.47 | Twiun | hey chouimat |
| 14:17.00 | chouimat | hi Twiun |
| 14:18.04 | chouimat | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030806&mode=classic |
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| 14:57.00 | Harlekin | lo |
| 14:59.53 | Twiun | wb |
| 15:20.24 | noidd | allo |
| 15:24.08 | noidd | anyone know who is the maintainer for xfree in buildroot? |
| 15:25.39 | mickeyl | noidd: mallum |
| 15:28.10 | noidd | haha |
| 15:28.13 | noidd | thanks Twiun |
| 15:28.20 | noidd | and thanks more mickeyl :-) |
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| 18:35.01 | hcl | ibot, oz buildroot |
| 18:35.02 | | hmm... oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
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| 19:59.07 | chouimat | re |
| 20:01.46 | Masticator | wassup homeez |
| 20:04.17 | chouimat | Masticator: nothing just took 3hours for lunch ;) |
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| 20:08.37 | Masticator | I love taking lunches like that |
| 20:09.43 | chouimat | Masticator: me too since the waitress was HOT |
| 20:09.58 | Masticator | lol, did you get her number |
| 20:10.05 | chouimat | Masticator: yup ;) |
| 20:10.13 | Masticator | attaboy |
| 20:10.24 | chouimat | Masticator: 5' 11" 135lbs |
| 20:10.46 | Masticator | wow tall |
| 20:10.47 | andersee | chouimat: phone number: 1-800-pis-soff |
| 20:10.54 | andersee | ;-) |
| 20:11.02 | chouimat | andersee: nope .... |
| 20:11.27 | chouimat | Masticator: and very very long legs |
| 20:16.22 | Masticator | cant leer at women anymore |
| 20:16.24 | Masticator | married |
| 20:16.31 | Masticator | at least, not with the wife watching |
| 20:16.42 | chouimat | Masticator: divorced ;) |
| 20:17.19 | Masticator | I get an elbow to the stomach whenever I leer |
| 20:17.31 | Masticator | or worse, a shot to the shin |
| 20:17.48 | Masticator | one day, far in the future, some aliens are going to dig up my body |
| 20:17.51 | treke | Masticator: so you've learned not to lear? |
| 20:17.54 | Masticator | and one of them will say |
| 20:18.02 | chouimat | Masticator: just that ... I got a week long sermon and scream etc etc etc |
| 20:18.07 | Masticator | "hey this guy has a lot of dents in his femur" |
| 20:18.19 | Masticator | "I guess he leered at women while his wife was watching" |
| 20:19.05 | chouimat | Masticator: so you close your eyes when a bib boobed blond sit right in front of you in restaurant |
| 20:19.13 | Masticator | my wife does a lot of hitting |
| 20:19.24 | Masticator | thats how she gets her point across |
| 20:19.40 | Masticator | smack to the head, a jar to the ribs, that sort of thing |
| 20:20.14 | chouimat | Masticator: and when we do that it's called: Domestic violence |
| 20:20.20 | Masticator | lol |
| 20:20.27 | Masticator | well, my wife is very strong |
| 20:20.39 | Masticator | mostly she hits me before we go to sleep |
| 20:20.42 | Masticator | we have a routine |
| 20:20.56 | Masticator | I start to tickle her and stuff, and she usually belts me a few times |
| 20:21.07 | Masticator | she doesnt like to be tickled |
| 20:21.33 | chouimat | Masticator: do you get married with a WWF chick? |
| 20:21.46 | Masticator | noidd, not quite |
| 20:21.49 | Masticator | er no |
| 20:22.03 | Masticator | friggin autocomplete |
| 20:22.32 | Masticator | apparently my wife's brothers used to use her for high school wrestling practice |
| 20:22.39 | Masticator | use to try their holds and stuff on her |
| 20:22.47 | Masticator | so she learned to defend herself |
| 20:24.08 | chouimat | Masticator: I drank to much coffee today |
| 20:24.23 | Masticator | you are jittery? |
| 20:24.31 | chouimat | Masticator: sleepy |
| 20:25.14 | treke | hehe. krdc uses almost line for line the stock rfb code |
| 20:25.40 | chouimat | now the purring machine ... |
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| 20:27.43 | chouimat | ok one day to install ... 4 to configure and test ... need to find someone to take care of my cat next week and when I will be in Prague |
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| 20:30.36 | Masticator | http://www.stressbuster1.com/pics/fatcat.html |
| 20:30.41 | Masticator | lol |
| 20:31.18 | Harlekin | re |
| 20:31.30 | Harlekin | treke: mickeys? |
| 20:32.02 | Bala | dear god thats fat.. |
| 20:32.45 | Masticator | yes |
| 20:32.53 | Masticator | looks like Ralphie May as a cat |
| 20:34.42 | chouimat | http://ulyx.ath.cx/bob.jpg and http://ulyx.ath.cx/bob2.jpg |
| 20:35.24 | Masticator | very cute |
| 20:36.13 | chouimat | Masticator: I know ... and he's an angel except when I leave for more than 3 days ... he use the basement as a litter then |
| 20:38.10 | chouimat | cool the FSF approved apple public license 2.0 |
| 20:38.45 | Masticator | really |
| 20:38.58 | Masticator | I thought the only FSF approved license was the GPL |
| 20:39.26 | chouimat | Masticator: yup it's on slashdot and http://www.opensource.apple.com/news/2.0-announce.html#APSL |
| 20:39.39 | Masticator | interesting |
| 20:39.48 | chouimat | http://www.stanford.edu/~seanm514/cat.jpg |
| 20:40.01 | Masticator | lol |
| 20:40.04 | Masticator | I've seen that |
| 20:40.18 | chouimat | arrrggggg Fucking RAIN .... |
| 20:40.58 | Masticator | I dont have cats |
| 20:41.01 | Masticator | I have poodles |
| 20:48.14 | chouimat | hmmm i forgot tho buy beers |
| 20:56.54 | Neo|Work | For some reason poodles doesn't seem to match the (online) personality of Masticator. heh |
| 20:57.50 | chouimat | Neo|Work: lol |
| 21:05.27 | Masticator | I grew up with poodles |
| 21:05.31 | Masticator | I love little dogs |
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| 21:18.29 | treke | Harlekin: tim jansen |
| 21:18.49 | Harlekin | treke: ah, i thouhg mickeys client |
| 21:18.59 | treke | I didnt know mickey had a client |
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| 21:19.30 | TimRiker | metroworks zaurus email: "Our tools for Sharp Zaurus were designed by Linux developers for Linux developers" <- heh. and it runs under windows. go figure. |
| 21:20.50 | TimRiker | "... utilities within the Cygwin(tm) environment, which is based on the Linux OS" <- say _what_?!? |
| 21:21.12 | TimRiker | since when is cygwin based on any Linux OS? (ie: it's not.) |
| 21:21.55 | treke | well it is modeled after a standerd GNU/Linux environment |
| 21:22.39 | Harlekin | metrowerks have a good marketing department |
| 21:22.45 | Harlekin | just the skills of the rest is missing |
| 21:23.04 | treke | Codewarrior is fairly nice |
| 21:26.28 | Neo|Work | cygwin is using GNU tools but as RMS so nicely say, Linux is just the kernel. :P |
| 21:26.41 | Neo|Work | that said, it's nice to see a windows dev environment for the Zaurus |
| 21:26.53 | Neo|Work | it should have been there a long time ago for best effect (say, at launch) |
| 21:27.39 | Neo|Work | Metroworks definitely have the "compiler for random PDA/embedded platform" in a firm grip for sure |
| 21:30.24 | TimRiker | treke that would be a standard GNU environment. where's the Linux |
| 21:30.43 | kergoth | exactly |
| 21:30.43 | treke | TimRiker: I dunno. Maybe they emulate some linux system calls :) |
| 21:31.04 | TimRiker | treke: nope. not even the same C library. |
| 21:32.11 | chouimat | huh? |
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| 21:40.50 | TimRiker | get my post yet? ;-) |
| 21:41.12 | kergoth | what list? |
| 21:44.09 | treke | man way to abuse macros |
| 21:46.02 | treke | clever, but evil. This guy is defining a including files multiple times and defining the BPP macro diferently each time to generate functions for each color depth :) |
| 21:46.20 | kergoth | blech. |
| 21:47.24 | treke | gotta give the guy credit for coming up with it :) |
| 21:52.53 | TimRiker | kergoth: zaurus-devel |
| 21:54.23 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:01.19 | chouimat | TimRiker: any archive? |
| 22:02.44 | chouimat | TimRiker: nice comment |
| 22:03.36 | ljp | ouch, my ears hurt |
| 22:03.50 | ljp | came in to the office early... set the frickin alarm off |
| 22:04.07 | Neo|Work | haha |
| 22:04.23 | Neo|Work | ljp: so are you wearing shoes at the office or doing the barefoot thing? :) |
| 22:04.34 | ljp | hmm, barefoot about the office |
| 22:04.51 | treke | dont step on a kangaroo |
| 22:05.21 | ljp | heh. I just hope the police wont show up. or maybe it might be best if they did |
| 22:05.45 | Neo|Work | it's still going off? |
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| 22:06.58 | ljp | no. |
| 22:07.08 | ljp | I woke up warwick |
| 22:07.35 | treke | ~lart ljp for setting off an alarm |
| 22:08.06 | Neo|Work | ljp: what time is it here? |
| 22:08.08 | Neo|Work | uh |
| 22:08.08 | Neo|Work | there |
| 22:08.17 | Neo|Work | it'd be bad if I didn't know the time here heh |
| 22:09.07 | ljp | 8 am |
| 22:09.42 | ljp | lets see.. 5 hours late yesterday, set off the alarm today.. hmmm, whats next? |
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| 22:16.19 | zar | hy all |
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| 23:23.01 | TimRiker | ljp: you in au now? |
| 23:23.08 | ljp | yes, |
| 23:23.15 | ljp | sitting at my desk |
| 23:23.18 | TimRiker | nice. how's the weather? |
| 23:23.22 | ljp | facing a nice large window |
| 23:23.30 | ljp | oh, its beautiful right now. |
| 23:23.47 | ljp | cool nights and the day is not very hot |
| 23:24.06 | ljp | middle of winter here, and people everywhere wearing shorts |
| 23:24.10 | TimRiker | 106 °F / 41 °C here |
| 23:24.20 | ljp | ouch |
| 23:24.58 | TimRiker | http://www.wunderground.com/US/TX/Dallas.html says 108/42 |
| 23:25.18 | TimRiker | what does kweather use as a back end? |
| 23:25.26 | ljp | I have no idea |
| 23:25.39 | ljp | 18 c here |
| 23:25.43 | ljp | sunny skies |
| 23:30.37 | ljp | dallas is much too hot |
| 23:30.48 | kergoth | heh, i'll second that |
| 23:31.03 | TimRiker | er f<->c |
| 23:31.04 | ljp | and the chicks here have sexier accents. even the fat chicks sound sexy |
| 23:31.52 | ljp | that'd be good |
| 23:32.03 | treke | it's about 23 C here |
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| 23:32.13 | W8TVI | my SG20 will be here tomorow... |
| 23:32.40 | W8TVI | hey kergoth, can this thing be upgraded by pulling the HDD and putting it in a desktop system? |
| 23:32.45 | Soopaman | i heard those are pretty cool |
| 23:32.59 | Soopaman | w8t, check out the yahoo group for the sg20 |
| 23:33.06 | W8TVI | and old page I looked at said that they cant... |
| 23:33.26 | W8TVI | Toshiba Magnia SG20 |
| 23:33.45 | kergoth | W8TVI: define 'upgraded' |
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| 23:34.21 | W8TVI | new os.. new drivers |
| 23:34.27 | W8TVI | that kind of thing |
| 23:34.33 | W8TVI | like upgrading to RH9 |
| 23:34.54 | W8TVI | or whatever |
| 23:35.17 | kergoth | should be able to, i wiped it and put debian on mine |
| 23:35.28 | kergoth | i shouldve backed up some stuff first though |
| 23:35.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:35.32 | W8TVI | lol |
| 23:36.01 | kergoth | i'd rather use webmin or something if i need a web admin interface, so dont need any of their crap for that, just like theri binaries to manipulate the front lcd |
| 23:36.20 | W8TVI | heh |
| 23:37.17 | W8TVI | just run a external display off of the printer port |
| 23:38.35 | W8TVI | I think I'll take it to the library and update the thing if its not already |
| 23:39.43 | Neo|Work | kergoth: starting to get hot during the day in Dallas now. :) |
| 23:39.51 | Neo|Work | sugar what is 106 F in C |
| 23:39.53 | Sugar | 106 °F is 41.111111 °C |
| 23:40.32 | ljp | I should install blackbox on this winxp, make it at least tolerable |
| 23:40.53 | ljp | sugar what is 18 C in F |
| 23:40.55 | Sugar | 18 °C is 64.400002 °F |
| 23:40.59 | Neo|Work | sugar what is 109 F in C |
| 23:41.01 | Sugar | Neo|Work: 109 °F is 42.777779 °C |
| 23:41.08 | ljp | ouch |
| 23:41.15 | ljp | got any eggs to fry? |
| 23:41.40 | Neo|Work | weather.com claims it's 109 in Plano right now |
| 23:42.01 | Neo|Work | and 107 in dallas |
| 23:42.13 | Neo|Work | and 106 in Allen |
| 23:42.16 | Neo|Work | ho |
| 23:42.17 | Neo|Work | hot |
| 23:43.10 | ljp | too hot |
| 23:43.22 | ljp | and just think, I may have been there for that fun |
| 23:43.35 | ljp | but nooo.. I'm here, in the middle of winter! |
| 23:43.47 | ljp | palm tree are brown |
| 23:43.51 | ljp | :) |
| 23:43.54 | Neo|Work | well, thing is, inside it won't be too hot |
| 23:44.14 | ljp | true, but to get inside, you must go through outside |
| 23:44.17 | Neo|Work | it's going to be less painfull there at 106 degrees than here at like 85-90 |
| 23:45.17 | ljp | hmm, construction is mucking up my view, damn it |
| 23:45.23 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: not to bad for dallas |
| 23:45.23 | Neo|Work | no beach babes? |
| 23:45.41 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: above average at least |
| 23:45.44 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: remember having football training at 116°F |
| 23:45.54 | ljp | havent been to the beach yet |
| 23:46.10 | Neo|Work | I love that it's partly cloudy or cloudy and still > 90 |
| 23:46.21 | Neo|Work | you live(d) in Dallas? |
| 23:46.34 | Harlekin | Midlothian |
| 23:46.39 | Harlekin | little south of Dallas |
| 23:46.54 | Neo|Work | still? |
| 23:46.56 | Harlekin | no |
| 23:46.58 | Neo|Work | they have odd names there |
| 23:46.58 | Harlekin | not right now |
| 23:47.00 | ljp | anything over 80F is too hot |
| 23:47.07 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 23:47.17 | Harlekin | ljp: wait for aussie summer |
| 23:47.50 | Neo|Work | says you, who are at 18C in the winter... |
| 23:48.36 | chouimat | ljp: it was 11C today |
| 23:49.40 | Neo|Work | summers in Seattle would be fine, if we had AC |
| 23:49.44 | ljp | I doubt brisbane will get into the 100's F |
| 23:49.44 | W8TVI | its 78 here |
| 23:49.54 | Neo|Work | although I don't like the cold dayes |
| 23:50.04 | Harlekin | ljp: remember, you have WINTER currently |
| 23:50.44 | treke | Neo|Work: just a little tip. Make sure you get a house with AC |
| 23:51.04 | treke | you will thank me later :) |
| 23:51.08 | Neo|Work | average highs in January in Brisbane seem to lay around 84 |
| 23:51.18 | chouimat | sugar what is 65 F in C |
| 23:51.20 | Sugar | 65 °F is 18.333334 °C |
| 23:51.30 | Neo|Work | treke: if you can even find a house without AC I'll be amazingly surprised |
| 23:51.42 | treke | hehe |
| 23:51.52 | Neo|Work | sugar har is 84 in C |
| 23:52.00 | Neo|Work | sugar what is 84 in C |
| 23:52.03 | Neo|Work | har? wtf. :) |
| 23:52.18 | ljp | sugar what is 100 F in C |
| 23:52.20 | Sugar | 100 °F is 37.777779 °C |
| 23:52.20 | Neo|Work | sugar stupid bot |
| 23:52.32 | Neo|Work | sugar what is 84 F in C |
| 23:52.33 | Neo|Work | doh |
| 23:52.34 | Sugar | 84 °F is 28.888889 °C |
| 23:52.36 | Neo|Work | stupid me |
| 23:53.20 | chouimat | Sugar: what is 11 C in F |
| 23:53.22 | Sugar | 11 °C is 51.799999 °F |
| 23:53.45 | treke | Sugar What is 32 F in C |
| 23:53.47 | Sugar | 32 °F is 0 °C |
