| 00:00.00 | Harlekin | openzaurus |
| 00:00.01 | Harlekin | opensimpad |
| 00:00.06 | Harlekin | openipaq ... |
| 00:00.07 | Harlekin | _) |
| 00:00.15 | absentia | still, oz could just be a link to oe |
| 00:00.17 | absentia | and be done with it. |
| 00:00.29 | absentia | the web is a maze of 404s nows. |
| 00:00.43 | kergoth | Harlekin: yeah, openzaurus.org's web needs to be able to have a custom interface based on selected device |
| 00:01.13 | kergoth | hehe, people have a lot of difficulty understanding what OE is, because its more than one thing |
| 00:02.06 | collord | how is the buildroot project related to oe? |
| 00:02.35 | treke | buildroot is being replaced by oe |
| 00:03.02 | collord | does oe have more than arm support atm? |
| 00:03.45 | kergoth | OE is the infrastructure. technically you could call buildroot a previous incarnation of OE |
| 00:03.49 | kergoth | but given it sucks, i wont do that |
| 00:03.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:03.58 | kergoth | collord: it can build for any number of target architectures |
| 00:05.05 | collord | ok cool, that's what i thought oe was back when it was conceptual... but all i see about it is zaurus |
| 00:05.24 | kergoth | its designed to be architecture, distribution, operating system, agnostic |
| 00:06.12 | W8TVI- | who made the current boot picture? |
| 00:06.14 | collord | good stuff... it took me a good amount of time to get the buildroot-tux to build for i386 |
| 00:06.38 | kergoth | yeah, even the OZ buildroot is far far more capable of doing things like that then the old style buildroots |
| 00:06.42 | kergoth | since it has a configuration interface |
| 00:07.03 | kergoth | W8TVI-: in OZ? the pingizauru? pingi was designed by hardwire/whardier |
| 00:07.04 | collord | sweet |
| 00:07.21 | kergoth | collord: buildroot in oz uses linuxkernelconf, aka the 2.5 linux kernel config interface |
| 00:07.33 | kergoth | quite nice |
| 00:07.54 | W8TVI- | kergoth: I was wondering how made the picture thats in the kernel |
| 00:08.01 | W8TVI- | how/who |
| 00:08.15 | _Psycho_ | [20:13] <kergoth> W8TVI-: in OZ? the pingizauru? pingi was designed by hardwire/whardier |
| 00:08.29 | kergoth | yeah, hardwire designed pingi. he lurks in #zaurus and #openzaurus |
| 00:08.54 | absentia | what is pingi ? |
| 00:09.05 | kergoth | pingizauru/opiezilla, the godzilla penguin |
| 00:09.09 | kergoth | the oz/opie logo |
| 00:09.24 | absentia | ah |
| 00:09.51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you get anywhere with the 2.4.21 collie Opie image? |
| 00:11.29 | W8TVI- | http://knerd.com/~kb8sjt/tuxoz.jpg |
| 00:11.41 | W8TVI- | hmm |
| 00:12.57 | W8TVI- | http://knerd.com/~kb8sjt/tuxoz.jpg |
| 00:13.01 | W8TVI- | weried |
| 00:13.07 | W8TVI- | well.. I just made that |
| 00:13.17 | W8TVI- | what do you guys think? |
| 00:13.54 | _Psycho_ | w8tvi its like a 1 min cut and paste with text |
| 00:13.58 | _Psycho_ | what ist hat for anyway ? |
| 00:14.24 | W8TVI- | _Psycho_: what? |
| 00:14.32 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 00:14.36 | _Psycho_ | what is your picture for ? |
| 00:14.59 | W8TVI- | fore |
| 00:15.00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: k, i think i've got the backlight misbehavior issues fixed |
| 00:15.01 | W8TVI- | for |
| 00:15.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it still blanks the lcd once on boot and brings it back, not sure why |
| 00:15.10 | W8TVI- | I want a tux boot screen |
| 00:16.07 | absentia | It was 111F in vegas at 6:13 when I was just there |
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| 00:27.18 | kergoth | collord: RT seems real nice. Have you used it for managing tasks that arent necessarily bound to bugs? |
| 00:27.21 | kergoth | as a task tracking tool |
| 00:27.35 | kergoth | i realize it can, just wondering how well :) |
| 00:27.49 | collord | personally i've only used it for tracking website development issues |
| 00:27.55 | collord | and not that much |
| 00:28.19 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 00:28.23 | collord | i know a decent sized admin team that uses it for network and e.g. mail administration management |
| 00:28.42 | kergoth | cool, wondering how well itd work as a general task management tool for a growing open source project |
| 00:28.43 | collord | i believe i've heard of a marketing department using it |
| 00:28.46 | kergoth | worth trying :) |
| 00:30.56 | kergoth | oh it has due dates.. good. |
| 00:32.36 | kergoth | hey collord, do you know if rt has an email bug submission interface? |
| 00:32.47 | kergoth | thatd be good for things like an opie app for submitting bugs |
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| 00:33.31 | collord | yeah it does, i was going to set it up in a second |
| 00:34.35 | kergoth | cool |
| 00:34.48 | kergoth | cant think of anything else i'd need, i think OE should use it for task and bug tracking |
| 00:39.09 | kergoth | brb |
| 00:40.07 | Harlekin | collord: custom masks? |
| 00:40.40 | collord | dunno, i must run. sorry. i'll check in probably tomorrow. |
| 00:43.12 | kergoth | collord: k, thanks for the info and letting me check it out, i appreciate it |
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| 01:16.11 | W8TVI | hey guys, what do you think of this? http://knerd.com/~kb8sjt/tux3.jpg |
| 01:16.50 | W8TVI | just messing around with photoshop |
| 01:18.03 | absentia | bigger.. better. |
| 01:18.17 | _Psycho_ | quite better |
| 01:18.21 | absentia | personally, I've never liked tux. |
| 01:18.58 | W8TVI | he backgound is one of my pictures |
| 01:19.02 | W8TVI | the |
| 01:19.24 | W8TVI | I dont like the zilla one |
| 01:35.33 | W8TVI | I just want to find a public domain photo of a penguin... |
| 01:50.53 | TheMasterMind1 | hello |
| 01:50.56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whats new |
| 01:52.28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nada, stayed at work since i have a computer chair here |
| 01:52.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: working on a laptop on the floor of my apartment is fucking uncomfortable |
| 01:52.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:53.07 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 01:53.31 | kergoth | you get anywhere with your opie image? |
| 01:53.46 | TheMasterMind1 | cp: cannot stat `/openzaurus/buildroot/build/opie/development/calibrate2/calibrate.cpp': No such file or directory |
| 01:53.48 | TheMasterMind1 | cp: cannot stat `/openzaurus/buildroot/build/opie/development/calibrate2/calibrate.h': No such file or directory |
| 01:53.50 | TheMasterMind1 | never built |
| 01:53.57 | TheMasterMind1 | had to take brother out to see spy kids 3d |
| 01:54.07 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:54.19 | kergoth | ~/coding/projects/user/opie$ ls development/calibrate2/c |
| 01:54.20 | kergoth | development/calibrate2/calibrate.cpp |
| 01:54.32 | kergoth | s/c$/calibrate.cpp/ |
| 01:54.49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: http://openembedded.bkbits.net:8080/oe/anno/doc/TODO@1.38?nav=index.html|src/|src/doc |
| 01:55.02 | TheMasterMind1 | is it not in the 99 branch? |
| 01:55.14 | kergoth | ah, probably not, since its such a new thing |
| 01:55.26 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: damn |
| 01:55.33 | TheMasterMind1 | thats a big ass todo |
| 01:55.40 | kergoth | no shit. and thats just OE |
| 01:55.44 | kergoth | heh |
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| 01:56.02 | kergoth | course OE todo items can be worked on while i'm at work, which helps, but i also have other things on my work todo than just oe |
| 01:56.05 | kergoth | just nuts. |
| 01:56.07 | kergoth | ah well |
| 01:58.05 | TheMasterMind1 | can you borrow a 5500 from tim? |
| 01:58.15 | nightfire | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `sourcetrees'. Stop. |
| 01:58.16 | nightfire | hmm |
| 01:58.25 | nightfire | this just happen? |
| 01:59.46 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: alright, did a cvs up -PdA in development. |
| 02:05.30 | nightfire | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/glamb/tmp/buildroot-oz/packages/qte' |
| 02:05.30 | nightfire | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/glamb/tmp/buildroot-oz/packages' |
| 02:05.30 | nightfire | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `sourcetrees'. Stop. |
| 02:05.40 | nightfire | anyone? :) |
| 02:05.43 | TheMasterMind1 | make SUBDIRS=packages/qte mrproper |
| 02:05.45 | TheMasterMind1 | make SUBDIRS=packages/qte |
| 02:06.05 | nightfire | same thing |
| 02:06.20 | kergoth | k ive completed another 7 minor OE todo items in the past hour |
| 02:06.22 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 02:06.22 | kergoth | heh |
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| 02:08.20 | TheMasterMind1 | impressive |
| 02:08.23 | TheMasterMind1 | do that at work though |
| 02:08.28 | TheMasterMind1 | work on kernel and opie odevice stuff now |
| 02:08.33 | nightfire | haha |
| 02:09.24 | nightfire | hmm |
| 02:09.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:09.29 | kergoth | good point |
| 02:10.00 | nightfire | kergoth: any idea why the qte build seems broken? |
| 02:10.12 | kergoth | i havent done anything with buildroot today |
| 02:10.15 | kergoth | dont ask me |
| 02:10.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:10.17 | TheMasterMind1 | nightfire: ljp broke it |
| 02:10.20 | nightfire | ah |
| 02:10.29 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess i'll push a fix |
| 02:10.34 | nightfire | is there an easy way i can back out to an earlier version of the makefile? |
| 02:10.37 | nightfire | oh. |
| 02:10.45 | nightfire | wish i was a developer :) |
| 02:11.00 | nightfire | but being a lowly sysadmin, makefile's are still somewhat magic to me |
| 02:11.26 | TheMasterMind1 | i need some sed magic to get rid of all the src-moc's in the qte makefile |
| 02:11.30 | TheMasterMind1 | this should be fun |
| 02:11.33 | kergoth | just patch the damn thing |
| 02:11.37 | kergoth | easier |
| 02:11.44 | TheMasterMind1 | thats true |
| 02:12.03 | kergoth | yay for pop tarts from work's vending machine |
| 02:12.11 | nightfire | are they hot? |
| 02:12.20 | TheMasterMind1 | shoudla kept a copy of the one one |
| 02:12.23 | TheMasterMind1 | old one |
| 02:12.24 | kergoth | nah, theres a toaster but i'm way too lazy |
| 02:12.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: patcher is your friend |
| 02:12.52 | _Psycho_ | you sitll at work ? |
| 02:12.57 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:13.00 | _Psycho_ | You like alone there ? |
| 02:13.04 | kergoth | i dont own a computer chair, so i'm doing hacking here where i have a chair |
| 02:13.26 | nightfire | kergoth: no laptop? |
| 02:13.32 | kergoth | thats what i'm using |
| 02:13.35 | kergoth | but theres no furniture at my house |
| 02:13.45 | kergoth | and using the lappie on teh floor when i'm on teh floor hurts the wrists and back |
| 02:13.48 | nightfire | i just lay down and float it above me :) |
| 02:14.18 | TheMasterMind1 | no bed? |
| 02:14.27 | kergoth | no bed |
| 02:14.30 | nightfire | damn |
| 02:14.31 | kergoth | my nice bed is in my house in MN |
| 02:14.33 | nightfire | just move or something? |
| 02:14.36 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:14.38 | nightfire | ah |
| 02:14.40 | kergoth | just packed my car and drove down |
| 02:14.43 | kergoth | left half my shit |
| 02:14.57 | _Psycho_ | damn no bed is evil |
| 02:15.05 | kergoth | no kidding, my back hurts |
| 02:15.23 | _Psycho_ | go buy some cheap hamak (sp) |
| 02:15.37 | kergoth | thought about that, or a inflatable matress |
| 02:15.46 | nightfire | yeah they're not bad |
| 02:15.55 | _Psycho_ | yeah sound like a good "waiting" solution |
| 02:15.59 | kergoth | yea |
| 02:16.06 | kergoth | i'll drop by walmart this weekend |
| 02:16.14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you want the odevice bits next? |
| 02:16.26 | TheMasterMind1 | yes! |
| 02:16.29 | kergoth | k |
| 02:19.20 | TheMasterMind1 | beh, someone just pushed something |
| 02:19.21 | TheMasterMind1 | great |
| 02:19.38 | TheMasterMind1 | and edited opie's makefile |
| 02:19.56 | kergoth | looks like mickeyl fixed vars.make and edited the opie makefile for a simpadism |
| 02:20.01 | kergoth | see changeset 1.1221.3.1 |
| 02:20.23 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 02:20.27 | nightfire | hmm |
| 02:20.28 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm about to push fixes for qte compile |
| 02:20.34 | nightfire | nice. :) |
| 02:20.53 | TheMasterMind1 | bk autoresolve ++ |
| 02:21.37 | nightfire | i'm amazed how fast checkouts are compared to cvs |
| 02:22.12 | kergoth | thats because they arent checkouts |
| 02:22.23 | TheMasterMind1 | nightfire: bk pull, make SUBDIRS=packages/qte mrproper; make |
| 02:22.25 | kergoth | not in the sense you're used to |
| 02:22.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:22.32 | nightfire | i see |
| 02:22.34 | TheMasterMind1 | hopefully it'll work, i haven't tested it |
| 02:22.35 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:22.49 | nightfire | whoa. |
| 02:22.50 | nightfire | neat |
| 02:23.50 | nightfire | same thing |
| 02:23.54 | nightfire | um |
| 02:24.50 | nightfire | Makefile 1.137: 242 lines |
| 02:24.57 | kergoth | bk -r co -q |
| 02:25.06 | absentia | jesus christ phpwiki sucks shit |
| 02:25.15 | absentia | the same text gives two different output formats. |
| 02:25.15 | TheMasterMind1 | absentia: wha? does not |
| 02:25.21 | absentia | does fucking too |
| 02:25.28 | absentia | it goes into double space lines.. for no reason |
| 02:25.32 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:25.38 | absentia | the same formatting... ones is single space, the next time is double. |
| 02:25.47 | absentia | it's inconsistent as hell. |
| 02:25.51 | TheMasterMind1 | you prolly did something wrong |
| 02:25.51 | nightfire | oz-base/Makefile has spaces instead of a tab at the start of line 152 |
| 02:25.51 | nightfire | btw |
| 02:25.55 | TheMasterMind1 | its your fault |
| 02:26.01 | nightfire | hmm :/ |
| 02:26.01 | TheMasterMind1 | nightfire: oh well, it'll live |
| 02:26.06 | absentia | I've just done 25 edits of a page trying to force this piece of shit to not double space one section. |
| 02:26.06 | TheMasterMind1 | does my patch work? |
| 02:26.13 | absentia | of course |
| 02:26.15 | absentia | always user error |
| 02:26.19 | TheMasterMind1 | absentia: yes, it is |
| 02:26.21 | absentia | no programs ever have bugs. |
| 02:26.27 | nightfire | TheMasterMind1: nope.. same error :/ |
| 02:26.32 | TheMasterMind1 | nightfire: which is? |
| 02:26.38 | absentia | fuckin' gupta |
| 02:26.42 | nightfire | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/glamb/tmp/buildroot-oz/packages/qte' |
| 02:26.42 | nightfire | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/glamb/tmp/buildroot-oz/packages' |
| 02:26.42 | nightfire | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `sourcetrees'. Stop. |
| 02:26.42 | nightfire | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/glamb/tmp/buildroot-oz/packages' |
| 02:26.42 | kergoth | programs have bugs, but its user error far more often than not. |
| 02:26.42 | nightfire | make[1]: *** [/home/glamb/tmp/buildroot-oz/stamps/..sourcetree] Error 2 |
| 02:26.59 | absentia | kerg: agreed. |
| 02:27.01 | TheMasterMind1 | nightfire: hrm, thats weird. |
| 02:27.11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: why is it trying to make [/home/glamb/tmp/buildroot-oz/stamps/..sourcetree] |
| 02:27.13 | TheMasterMind1 | thats a weird stamp |
| 02:27.18 | nightfire | is it starting a new make thread? |
| 02:27.22 | kergoth | ..sourcetree, Name and Version are unset |
| 02:27.29 | kergoth | nightfire: ? |
| 02:27.35 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 02:27.38 | kergoth | make recursion is used heavily in buildroot |
| 02:27.42 | kergoth | its expected |
| 02:27.46 | nightfire | oh. |
| 02:28.27 | TheMasterMind1 | *sigh* |
| 02:28.32 | absentia | grrr |
| 02:28.34 | TheMasterMind1 | why won't TS work in opie |
| 02:28.36 | TheMasterMind1 | no make sense |
| 02:29.36 | absentia | themastermind: since phpwiki is so good, please tell me how to make it not double space? |
| 02:29.48 | TheMasterMind1 | absentia: read the docs |
| 02:29.56 | absentia | I'm using !!! topic, !! sub topic, then CR CR space space space * words... |
| 02:29.57 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you think calibrate2 will fix the ts? |
| 02:30.05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dunno.. |
| 02:30.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: are you getting any events at all? |
| 02:30.15 | absentia | in 1 section, the * bullets are single space... in the next, they're double.. the ones after that, it's back to single. |
| 02:30.21 | absentia | read the docs |
| 02:30.28 | absentia | oh my god you're funny man. |
| 02:30.33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yep, i can click.. most of the time. but drag drop, scrolling, drawpad are all unusable |
| 02:30.38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ah |
| 02:31.03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: this type of shit is going to be hard to debug when i cant test |
| 02:31.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you need to add qWarning()s in the qt/e tslib handler |
| 02:31.18 | TheMasterMind1 | which is why you need to borrow a 5x00 |
| 02:32.02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah |
| 02:32.31 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll bbiaf.. opie is compiling |
| 02:34.53 | absentia | ok.... two bugs |
| 02:35.05 | absentia | I might as well just go straight html. |
| 02:35.08 | absentia | this is useless |
| 02:36.48 | nightfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.56 | nightfire | $(Environment) should be opie right? |
| 02:37.37 | nightfire | ah.. neither CONFIG_QTOPIA nor CONFIG_OPIE are defined in Vars.make |
| 02:38.22 | kergoth | uh |
| 02:38.27 | kergoth | CONFIG_ items are defined in .config |
| 02:38.31 | nightfire | i'm new. |
| 02:38.33 | nightfire | bear with me |
| 02:38.35 | nightfire | :) |
| 02:38.37 | kergoth | grep is your friend. |
| 02:39.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: wheres that bl tool again? |
| 02:39.51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: need to add backlight handling for nonembedix oz kernels to ODevice |
| 02:41.07 | kergoth | mickeyl|away: eek! you manipulate a board register from userspace? /me pukes |
| 02:41.54 | absentia | ug |
| 02:43.08 | nightfire | does this thing use esr's build system? |
| 02:43.28 | nightfire | kbuild or whatever it was? |
| 02:43.46 | kergoth | no |
| 02:43.57 | kergoth | it uses LKC aka LinuxKernelConf, the configuratoin language used in the 2.5 kernels |
| 02:44.02 | nightfire | ah |
| 02:44.11 | kergoth | it has bits of various versions of kbuild in it, but its mostly makefile bits of my own creation |
| 02:44.37 | nightfire | i like those dependency checks |
| 02:45.47 | absentia | Grrr |
| 02:46.09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/zaurus/ |
| 02:46.31 | kergoth | holy crap does Sound and QSound suck |
| 02:46.41 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:46.54 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, opie finished compiling |
| 02:47.12 | TheMasterMind1 | whats the easiest way to edit qte and recompile it and rebuild ipks |
| 02:47.18 | TheMasterMind1 | edit source, delete stamp, build? |
| 02:47.21 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:47.24 | TheMasterMind1 | will that clean and rebuild everything? |
| 02:47.28 | kergoth | it wont clean |
| 02:47.29 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 02:47.29 | kergoth | but shouldnt have to |
| 02:47.36 | kergoth | since make will know those files were modified and rebuild those objects |
| 02:48.00 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 02:48.02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ipaq uses Sound to play the alarm and shit |
| 02:48.07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but Sound you cant control which dsp it opens |
| 02:48.14 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:48.16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so we cant tell it to use buzzer |
| 02:48.16 | kergoth | :\ |
| 02:48.18 | absentia | the ~DoNotHyperlink is phpwiki is broken |
| 02:48.47 | TheMasterMind1 | absentia: fix it |
| 02:48.55 | absentia | fuck it. it's not worth it |
| 02:49.10 | TheMasterMind1 | do i edit the .moc or the .cpp |
| 02:49.20 | kergoth | .moc files are generated |
| 02:49.23 | kergoth | dont screw with em |
| 02:49.50 | absentia | ok, it's something to do with a CR between two * lines.. makes it go to double space. |
| 02:53.53 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't get why pcmcia isn't working either |
| 02:54.54 | absentia | this sucks so much.. you basically can't split * lists in phpwiki with a CR CR ... it's just too dumb |
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| 02:57.15 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: how's odevice coming |
| 02:59.25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dont have collie setup to build opie, want to test this patch? |
| 02:59.55 | kergoth | right now i'm having it not play sounds or leds or backlight |
| 02:59.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:00.03 | kergoth | but at least it wont try things that wont work |
| 03:00.14 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:00.17 | TheMasterMind1 | what DOES it do? |
| 03:00.33 | kergoth | just returns properly in the various functions, thereby preventing it from doing bad things |
| 03:00.37 | kergoth | thats about it |
| 03:00.41 | kergoth | rotation, etc is the same as 2.4.6 |
| 03:01.29 | kergoth | i dont think we even have a char led interface right now, adn Sound/QSound dont facilitate the audio bits |
| 03:01.36 | kergoth | so all i _can_ do right now is backlight |
| 03:01.44 | TheMasterMind1 | backlight would be good |
| 03:01.54 | TheMasterMind1 | just gotta do the ioctls right |
| 03:02.00 | kergoth | yeah, not much to it |
| 03:02.11 | kergoth | shit, you can do that. you added those bits to bl |
| 03:02.15 | kergoth | here, take this |
| 03:02.17 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:02.20 | TheMasterMind1 | beh |
| 03:02.27 | TheMasterMind1 | lucky me |
| 03:02.32 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/odevice.patch |
| 03:02.42 | kergoth | adds c750/c760 too, figured i may as well add em |
| 03:03.55 | TheMasterMind1 | what is int bright come in as |
| 03:04.08 | TheMasterMind1 | might as well set it so you can choose any value between 0 and 255 |
| 03:04.12 | TheMasterMind1 | instead of set levels |
| 03:04.15 | TheMasterMind1 | same for contrast |
| 03:04.19 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:04.30 | kergoth | theres a function to specify the valid value range |
| 03:04.32 | kergoth | and interval |
| 03:04.33 | nightfire | if i build without any qte/opie/x/etc, will the system come up with a console? |
| 03:04.37 | kergoth | so you can control that |
| 03:04.41 | kergoth | nightfire: yes |
| 03:04.46 | _Psycho_ | nightfire yes |
| 03:04.50 | kergoth | nightfire: thats what def-configs/*-minimal is |
| 03:04.52 | nightfire | cool |
| 03:04.57 | kergoth | nightfire: and def-configs/*-minimal_image for the image |
| 03:05.03 | nightfire | presumably from there i can ipkg install opie |
| 03:05.03 | nightfire | :) |
| 03:05.06 | _Psycho_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.47 | nightfire | working with these things sure makes one appreciate x86 pc's. |
| 03:07.01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: add a fclose(uname); after the f. close( ) inside the block where it calls uname -r |
| 03:08.06 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. 16 more minutes until this initrd is finished downloading |
| 03:08.14 | kergoth | heh, i didnt realize ya can do that |
| 03:08.19 | TheMasterMind1 | i love these superfast download speeds |
| 03:08.30 | kergoth | use popen in concert with QFile that is |
| 03:10.04 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 03:10.09 | TheMasterMind1 | c750 on slashdot |
| 03:11.02 | W8TVI | :) |
| 03:11.32 | absentia | again? |
| 03:12.32 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 03:12.44 | TheMasterMind1 | i think next OZ release can prolly make it on slashdot |
| 03:12.45 | nightfire | absentia: new to /.? ;) |
| 03:12.54 | TheMasterMind1 | with our .21 and opie 1.0 |
| 03:13.03 | absentia | no |
| 03:13.04 | nightfire | for sure it could |
| 03:13.14 | W8TVI | And I'm sure you're entitled to your opinion, no matter how retarded and irrelevant it is. |
| 03:13.17 | W8TVI | - AC |
| 03:13.17 | absentia | night: I understand your point. |
| 03:13.23 | TheMasterMind1 | i need more bandwidth |
| 03:13.40 | kergoth | It could certainly be noted on /., but probably not on the front page |
| 03:13.46 | kergoth | probably a minor note on the developers area |
| 03:13.59 | TheMasterMind1 | nah, we can make frontpage |
| 03:14.12 | TheMasterMind1 | god, qt is so fucking ugly |
| 03:14.14 | nightfire | ya.. just throw in some anti-drm comments |
| 03:14.14 | kergoth | if we include support for 5600, c750, c760, c700 |
| 03:14.16 | kergoth | then probably. |
| 03:14.28 | absentia | hahaha |
| 03:14.34 | _Psycho_ | im pretty sure Opie 1.0 will make it to slashdot |
| 03:14.42 | kergoth | yeah it might |
| 03:14.53 | _Psycho_ | if someone do a good review |
| 03:14.54 | _Psycho_ | ;) |
| 03:14.55 | nightfire | ok, good build.. here i go |
| 03:15.04 | absentia | hahahhaha |
| 03:15.20 | absentia | the funnies thing is that the reviewer called the tkc tab icon the "angry face icon" |
| 03:15.21 | absentia | hahaha |
| 03:15.24 | kergoth | shit, the tmake oeclass isnt outputting a valid tmake .pro |
| 03:15.26 | absentia | HOW APPROPRIATE! |
| 03:15.32 | kergoth | haha |
| 03:15.51 | kergoth | yep, thats the face you make after trying to get support from tkc |
| 03:16.07 | absentia | yup |
| 03:16.27 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 03:17.07 | nightfire | please.. prompt.. |
| 03:17.38 | _Psycho_ | im rebuilding qte and opie, hoping thats will fix my TS prob |
| 03:17.46 | _Psycho_ | and tslib :) |
| 03:17.54 | TheMasterMind1 | problem? in oz? |
| 03:17.56 | TheMasterMind1 | impossible |
| 03:18.06 | nightfire | damnit. :( |
| 03:18.11 | _Psycho_ | Just when i finish to flash my image opie start, no TS :) |
| 03:18.19 | nightfire | it's just sitting at the OZ kernel banner, with a blinking cursor |
| 03:18.34 | _Psycho_ | i tired "working tslib ipk" but same, so its mostly likely qte or opie ;) |
| 03:18.34 | nightfire | shouldn't i see /something/ else going on? |
| 03:18.44 | kergoth | nightfire: you probably forgot something critical from your image |
| 03:18.57 | _Psycho_ | like oz-base :) |
| 03:19.01 | nightfire | i went with almost all defaults from the minimial |
| 03:19.04 | nightfire | hrm |
| 03:20.42 | nightfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.51 | kergoth | you dont need that |
| 03:20.52 | nightfire | i shouldn't need that to boot, shoudl I? |
| 03:20.55 | nightfire | ok. |
| 03:20.56 | nightfire | hmm |
| 03:22.28 | kergoth | holy crap does rt have a lot of dependencies |
| 03:22.57 | TheMasterMind1 | whats rt |
| 03:23.25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ |
| 03:23.33 | nightfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.36 | nightfire | need that? |
| 03:23.38 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 03:23.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: sweet bug/issue/task tracking software. GPL. its as powerful as bugzilla, but its easy to use |
| 03:23.55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ooh, nice |
| 03:24.02 | kergoth | easier to use than mantis even |
| 03:24.37 | kergoth | hrm |
| 03:24.37 | nightfire | well, this sucks. |
| 03:24.39 | nightfire | any suggestions? |
| 03:26.17 | TheMasterMind1 | poor bluetooth modules |
| 03:26.36 | nightfire | should i be using the updater.sh from the experimental/husky directory? |
| 03:26.38 | TheMasterMind1 | ugly |
| 03:26.41 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh |
| 03:26.41 | kergoth | nightfire: yes. |
| 03:27.01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: do we HAVE to reconfigure all packages to root. can't we like set a flag and only do the ones that actually need to be done.. which is like ssh-server and thats about it |
| 03:27.08 | nightfire | god i wish i had that serial cable. |
| 03:27.20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep, its pretty critical that we run them all |
| 03:27.29 | TheMasterMind1 | but most of them do nothing |
| 03:27.34 | TheMasterMind1 | except take up time |
| 03:28.17 | kergoth | no |
| 03:28.25 | kergoth | most of the services symlink their startup scripts into /etc/rcX.d |
| 03:28.28 | kergoth | without that, you're fucked. |
| 03:28.42 | kergoth | the ones that dont have postinsts dont do anything |
| 03:28.56 | kergoth | the most time thats spent right now is the module package postinsts, and i can clean that up to shorten the time |
| 03:29.03 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 03:29.18 | kergoth | hrm |
| 03:29.27 | nightfire | can anyone send me a kernel/initrd from a 750/760? please? :( |
| 03:30.06 | TheMasterMind1 | dd if=/dev/urandom of=initrd.bin bs=14m |
| 03:30.20 | TheMasterMind1 | nightfire: here you go.. |
| 03:30.21 | nightfire | it would be about as successful |
| 03:30.40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: heh, something went wrong it seems |
| 03:30.53 | TheMasterMind1 | my opie started up in non-english |
| 03:31.19 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:31.21 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm crap |
| 03:31.24 | TheMasterMind1 | calibration scrweed up |
| 03:31.27 | TheMasterMind1 | and keyboard is broke |
| 03:31.40 | TheMasterMind1 | calibration2 prolly doens't have english as default or something |
| 03:31.47 | kergoth | ahh yeah |
| 03:31.49 | kergoth | i noticed htat |
| 03:34.04 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 03:36.30 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 03:36.33 | TheMasterMind1 | i figured out the opie ts problem |
| 03:36.40 | TheMasterMind1 | the pressure threshold is too high |
| 03:36.44 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:36.59 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 03:37.01 | kergoth | so it doesnt pick up the presses half the time? |
| 03:37.07 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 03:37.14 | TheMasterMind1 | i think pressure reading is coming in wrong too |
| 03:37.14 | TheMasterMind1 | its all over the place |
| 03:37.15 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:37.19 | TheMasterMind1 | fixing x and y broke that |
| 03:37.21 | TheMasterMind1 | surprising.. |
| 03:37.33 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 03:37.40 | kergoth | store your first pressure read in a static |
| 03:37.44 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 03:37.44 | kergoth | but dont replace it after the first read |
| 03:37.45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:37.49 | TheMasterMind1 | i think that'll fix it |
| 03:37.56 | TheMasterMind1 | will test in a sec |
| 03:38.00 | TheMasterMind1 | any ideas about pcmcia? |
| 03:38.10 | kergoth | not offhand, i need to repro so i can get the decoded oops |
| 03:38.20 | TheMasterMind1 | its not an oops |
| 03:38.22 | TheMasterMind1 | its just being weird |
| 03:38.38 | TheMasterMind1 | cardctl ident shows my cf card, but no hda |
| 03:38.39 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:38.44 | TheMasterMind1 | same with wifi, shows up in ident, loads modules, but no eth0 |
| 03:38.44 | kergoth | i'll play with it on mine |
| 03:38.51 | TheMasterMind1 | and cardctl eject says ioctl not allowed |
| 03:39.42 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: here? |
| 03:39.55 | bipolar | yup |
| 03:39.55 | tgall | any recommendations for a CF Wifi? gotta linksys now ... but looks like I need to pick up a couple more |
| 03:40.19 | bipolar | wasup |
| 03:40.39 | W8TVI | the netgear ma701 works for me |
| 03:41.00 | tgall | reasonable drivers? |
| 03:41.07 | W8TVI | and if you hurry, you might be able to get them cheap at curcit city |
| 03:41.27 | *** join/#openembedded ljp (~lpotter@tq0104.peakpeak.com) |
| 03:41.27 | W8TVI | its a prisim 2 card |
| 03:41.38 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: need me for something? I'm playing yahoo pool with my wife. :) |
| 03:41.41 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: you still have that old initrd/zImage that works for single clicks but not for dragging |
| 03:41.47 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: oh well, its not that important |
| 03:41.54 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: um.... |
| 03:42.03 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: It's on openzaurus.org |
| 03:42.20 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: it was the experimental one. I didn't build it. |
| 03:42.20 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i know, i wanted to check something on it |
| 03:42.30 | W8TVI | tgall; I got my my card for $55 |
| 03:42.34 | TheMasterMind1 | nm, i already got it on my cf so i can flash it |
| 03:42.36 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks anyway |
| 03:42.37 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: sorry... no I don't. |
| 03:42.40 | tgall | dang these things have gotten cheap since when I bought my original cf 802.11 card |
| 03:42.50 | bipolar | My Z is at the office.... charging. :) |
| 03:42.59 | tgall | I remember dumping like $100 when I picked up my z |
| 03:43.53 | W8TVI | and I picked up a new cardbus 802.11b card on ebay fo $10 |
| 03:44.01 | W8TVI | brb |
| 03:44.43 | TheMasterMind1 | W8TVI: what brand |
| 03:46.18 | TheMasterMind1 | beh, calibrate2 has issues |
| 03:46.19 | TheMasterMind1 | poc |
| 03:46.25 | *** mode/#openembedded [+o TheMasterMind1] by ChanServ |
| 03:46.28 | W8TVI | no brand.... |
| 03:46.29 | TheMasterMind1 | no english, and you can't recalibrate |
| 03:46.34 | TheMasterMind1 | W8TVI: heh, prism based? |
| 03:46.46 | W8TVI | but it uses realtek drivers |
| 03:46.52 | W8TVI | not sure |
| 03:46.58 | W8TVI | rtl8081 |
| 03:47.48 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 03:47.50 | TheMasterMind1 | realtek for wifi? |
| 03:47.51 | TheMasterMind1 | weird |
| 03:48.01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hrm, reading pressure only the first time also gives messed up vals |
| 03:48.04 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe needs a delay |
| 03:48.08 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll try that |
| 03:48.19 | TheMasterMind1 | but definitely need a pressure reading before both x and y cuz otherwise the y gets shitty values |
| 03:48.22 | TheMasterMind1 | really weird stuff |
| 03:48.44 | ljp | akk. I think the c700 kernel lacks some fine tuned rtc |
| 03:49.04 | ljp | cause I refuses to keep time on reboot |
| 03:49.13 | ljp | and I am stumped |
| 03:49.35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hmm, remember how the old drivers read pressure value a second time, after x & y were read? |
| 03:49.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: maybe theres a reason for that. |
| 03:49.44 | kergoth | they throw out the first pressure read |
| 03:49.45 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: oh, right |
| 03:49.48 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme try that next |
| 03:49.54 | TheMasterMind1 | god, what a fucked up chip |
| 03:49.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:50.00 | TheMasterMind1 | you find those pdfs |
| 03:50.01 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 03:50.02 | kergoth | i bet if we had the specs we could do this cleaner |
| 03:50.05 | kergoth | forgot to look |
| 03:50.17 | TheMasterMind1 | jeez |
| 03:50.55 | W8TVI | TheMasterMind1: windows says the card is a Realtek RTL8180 Wireless LAN (Mini-)PCI NIC |
| 03:51.33 | TheMasterMind1 | oh its not pcmcia? |
| 03:51.44 | W8TVI | its a CardBus card |
| 03:51.45 | ljp | <every opensource kernel hacker> i bet if we had the specs we could do this cleaner |
| 03:51.51 | kergoth | ljp: yep |
| 03:51.55 | TheMasterMind1 | is that pcmcia or not |
| 03:51.56 | kergoth | or if they havfe teh specs, they suck. |
| 03:52.03 | kergoth | its fun reading devs bitch about specs in comments |
| 03:52.12 | ljp | why are hardware companies like that, I dont get it |
| 03:52.22 | W8TVI | cardbus is the newer pcmcia |
| 03:52.24 | kergoth | me neither |
| 03:52.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: noncardbus pcmcia is isa, cardbus pcmcia is pci. pretty much. |
| 03:52.48 | TheMasterMind1 | W8TVI: its still pcmcia.. just 32bit pcmcia |
| 03:52.54 | kergoth | yeap |
| 03:53.35 | TheMasterMind1 | k, i was just confused about if it was pcmcia type card or a pci card |
| 03:53.42 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess pc-card is a better term |
| 03:53.57 | W8TVI | cardbus is 32bit |
| 03:54.25 | nightfire | different voltage option too, no? |
| 03:54.29 | nightfire | 3.3V? |
| 03:54.41 | W8TVI | I think so |
| 03:56.46 | TheMasterMind1 | sysrq+k is god |
| 03:57.12 | nightfire | oh my poor box :( |
| 03:57.34 | TheMasterMind1 | fn+shift+key doesn't do ctrl+key anymore in .21 |
| 03:57.37 | TheMasterMind1 | fix it kergoth |
| 03:57.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, i dunno whats up with that |
| 03:57.49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i checked our .map file, and it looks perfect |
| 03:57.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we need RT setup so you can report bugs against 2.4.21 easily |
| 03:58.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i barely even use the sf bug tracking anymore, it sucks so bad |
| 03:58.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:58.40 | TheMasterMind1 | hehe |
| 03:58.59 | TheMasterMind1 | pressure readings still fucked up.. lemme try after x and y |
| 03:59.00 | W8TVI | werid... found a new AP with kismet thats none of my devices |
| 03:59.02 | TheMasterMind1 | should i do it 3rd iteration or what |
| 03:59.14 | TheMasterMind1 | W8TVI: not so weird. everyone uses wifi now |
| 03:59.31 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: 3rd iteration or right after y |
| 03:59.35 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess i should try both |
| 03:59.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: try reading pressure in teh last iteration, i'd think |
| 03:59.41 | TheMasterMind1 | how did sharp do it? remember? |
| 03:59.41 | kergoth | yeah, could do that |
| 03:59.48 | W8TVI | not in my town... |
| 03:59.56 | kergoth | dunno off the top of my head, pretty sure it was in a seperate pass |
| 04:00.02 | W8TVI | I live in a own of less that 300 |
| 04:00.06 | W8TVI | town |
| 04:00.37 | W8TVI | no ssid on it |
| 04:01.33 | W8TVI | my firend said theres a website that you can look up mac addresses on to see who made the card.. |
| 04:01.41 | TheMasterMind1 | kismet does it |
| 04:01.44 | TheMasterMind1 | type i |
| 04:01.46 | TheMasterMind1 | sf, i |
| 04:01.54 | W8TVI | it doesn't know |
| 04:01.59 | TheMasterMind1 | weird |
| 04:02.04 | TheMasterMind1 | its prolly like a cash register or something |
| 04:02.15 | TheMasterMind1 | or a phone |
| 04:02.55 | W8TVI | this is northern lower michigan |
| 04:03.09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: weird thing is, pcmcia works fine with your initrd |
| 04:03.27 | W8TVI | can OZ's stuff spoof mac addresses? |
| 04:03.36 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 04:03.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh, that is strange |
| 04:03.41 | TheMasterMind1 | W8TVI: i think so |
| 04:03.45 | TheMasterMind1 | W8TVI: can't remember for sure |
| 04:03.53 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno if hostap supports it |
| 04:03.59 | TheMasterMind1 | i know orinoco does, but i dunno if we applied that patch |
| 04:04.05 | TheMasterMind1 | in the 2.4.6 tree anyway |
| 04:04.15 | kergoth | i cant wait till we can ditch the 2.4.6 crap in buildroot |
| 04:04.22 | kergoth | the old wireless tools version, the old orinoco, etc |
| 04:04.35 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 04:04.46 | TheMasterMind1 | gonna rock |
| 04:04.48 | W8TVI | my cars has a tiny antenna jack on it |
| 04:04.54 | kergoth | oh i know wah i should do right now |
| 04:04.56 | W8TVI | cards |
| 04:05.04 | kergoth | i should add corgi/shepherd/husky support to a tree based on oz-2.4 |
| 04:05.16 | kergoth | then those devices will have recent bluetooth, new WE, etc |
| 04:05.30 | TheMasterMind1 | mnnn |
| 04:05.45 | TheMasterMind1 | W8TVI: hrm, for 10 bucks? thats a damn good deal |
| 04:06.31 | W8TVI | no... the netgear cf card I got for $55 |
| 04:06.47 | TheMasterMind1 | a cf card with a antenna connector? |
| 04:06.47 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 04:06.56 | kergoth | what model is that card? |
| 04:06.56 | W8TVI | the $10 pc card I haven't look inside of yet |
| 04:07.07 | W8TVI | netgear MA-701 |
| 04:07.23 | W8TVI | but I have no idea what kind of connector it is |
| 04:07.42 | W8TVI | and the connector is right by the antenna |
| 04:08.02 | W8TVI | netgear dont make the cards... |
| 04:08.08 | W8TVI | (like most things) |
| 04:08.33 | W8TVI | its a Z-Com XI-815 |
| 04:08.49 | W8TVI | the Z says its a Z-Com XI-300 |
| 04:09.03 | W8TVI | but the XI-300 is a PC-card |
| 04:09.03 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:09.06 | kergoth | you know what i just noticed |
| 04:09.09 | kergoth | my cf reader |
| 04:09.16 | kergoth | never makes usb-storage crash my machine using this kernel |
| 04:09.19 | kergoth | it used to do it constantly |
| 04:09.24 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 04:09.35 | TheMasterMind1 | the range of pressures is like from 565 to 571 |
| 04:09.58 | kergoth | yeah pressure doesnt vary much |
| 04:10.03 | kergoth | it'll be 0 when its not pressed |
| 04:10.15 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 04:10.25 | TheMasterMind1 | well, its above 500 now so its all good |
| 04:10.54 | kergoth | nice |
| 04:10.58 | TheMasterMind1 | cept calibrate2 sucks |
| 04:11.00 | W8TVI | my $5 USB 2.0 PCI card WORKS in linux |
| 04:11.03 | kergoth | haha |
| 04:11.10 | kergoth | there's like 800 rejects |
| 04:11.21 | kergoth | guess i need to strip some unnecessary bits out first |
| 04:11.26 | W8TVI | http://www.fulbond.com.sg/PRODUCTS/WIRELESS/products_XI-815_CF.htm |
| 04:11.32 | W8TVI | this is what it looks like |
| 04:11.41 | W8TVI | but black plastic |
| 04:11.43 | W8TVI | on the top |
| 04:12.30 | TheMasterMind1 | my $3 front loading dual pcmcia slot isa card that i got at a hamfest works in linux |
| 04:12.38 | TheMasterMind1 | opie login sucks |
| 04:12.40 | TheMasterMind1 | it keeps dying |
| 04:12.41 | TheMasterMind1 | piece of shit |
| 04:12.42 | TheMasterMind1 | i hate it |
| 04:12.52 | W8TVI | also thats where you get the drivers to use the card under windows |
| 04:13.02 | absentia | night |
| 04:14.01 | TheMasterMind1 | and calibrate2 really sucks |
| 04:14.14 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm. how do i revert now. rm and cvs up/ |
| 04:14.53 | W8TVI | http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:KW-ufMEPJfgJ:www.zcom.com.tw/product/product12.htm+XI-815&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 |
| 04:14.57 | ljp | use -D for a date |
| 04:15.08 | kergoth | dont use -D if you want head |
| 04:15.13 | kergoth | it'll put a sticky tag on the file |
| 04:16.27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: does your odevice thing set the correct reso? |
| 04:16.33 | TheMasterMind1 | and what fclose thing was i supposed to add |
| 04:17.00 | kergoth | resolution is controlled by the framebuffer |
| 04:17.07 | kergoth | qt reads it using ioctls on the f |
| 04:17.07 | kergoth | b |
| 04:17.25 | kergoth | brb |
| 04:17.41 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm ok |
| 04:17.43 | TheMasterMind1 | so why is it sideways |
| 04:18.08 | W8TVI | brb... site survay time |
| 04:19.08 | Masticator | major stock dip for Sharp today on the nikkei |
| 04:20.02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: does sysinfo say you're on a zaurus 5500? |
| 04:20.51 | TheMasterMind1 | no it said unknown |
| 04:21.02 | Masticator | wuzzup homeez. |
| 04:21.08 | ljp | wonder what news on sharp was out |
| 04:21.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thats why then. |
| 04:21.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its misidentifying the device |
| 04:22.10 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.13 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.16 | kergoth | bingo |
| 04:22.18 | kergoth | thats a bad way to see if we're on a Z |
| 04:22.26 | kergoth | it should check /proc/cpuinfo for Sharp |
| 04:22.40 | W8TVI | back |
| 04:23.16 | TheMasterMind1 | beh |
| 04:23.20 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm not even going to bother |
| 04:24.01 | ljp | kergoth: where's that? |
| 04:24.10 | kergoth | ljp: ODevice in libopie |
| 04:24.23 | kergoth | the zaurus init function already looks in cpuinfo to get the model info |
| 04:24.38 | kergoth | just need to copy & paste that code, and see if the left 5 digits of the Hardware info is Sharp or SHARP |
| 04:24.39 | ljp | ahh. heh sandman did that I think |
| 04:24.44 | kergoth | yeah probably |
| 04:24.52 | TheMasterMind1 | aw grr |
| 04:24.54 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid patch |
| 04:24.57 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't compile |
| 04:24.59 | W8TVI | hah |
| 04:25.07 | W8TVI | some one was probing my ap |
| 04:25.15 | W8TVI | or for aps |
| 04:25.30 | W8TVI | with a symbol card |
| 04:25.34 | nightfire | damnit |
| 04:25.42 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/odevice.patch |
| 04:25.46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fixing backlight atm |
| 04:25.47 | TheMasterMind1 | is it just me or did you put stuff in the simpad class |
| 04:25.59 | nightfire | when the c7x0 hangs at the sharp/OZ boot logo, what stage of booting is it usually in? |
| 04:26.04 | kergoth | nightfire: ? |
| 04:26.07 | nightfire | trying to load initrd? mount /? |
| 04:26.10 | kergoth | nightfire: it booted the kernel |
| 04:26.17 | kergoth | nightfire: where it hung you dont know without messages |
| 04:26.29 | nightfire | and there's no way to get those messages on the framebuffer? |
| 04:26.47 | kergoth | who said there was no way? |
| 04:26.56 | kergoth | bk vi packages/kernel-shepherd/husky .. /CMDLINE |
| 04:26.59 | nightfire | er.. ok, so how might I do that? |
| 04:27.01 | kergoth | change console=null to console=tty0 |
| 04:27.06 | nightfire | tty0 |
| 04:27.08 | nightfire | ah. |
| 04:27.11 | kergoth | then make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-shepherd clean; make |
| 04:29.15 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 04:29.21 | TheMasterMind1 | imma flash this initrd, see if ts works, then watch a movie |
| 04:29.43 | ljp | dont forget.. make pizza_order black_olives mushrooms |
| 04:30.11 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds like a nasty pizza |
| 04:30.29 | TheMasterMind1 | make sure you add the ability to have half toppings |
| 04:31.26 | kergoth | hehe, we'll have a fancy LKC configuration interface for pizza ordering |
| 04:31.36 | kergoth | "well, run menuconfig, select pizza #1, enable pepperoni" |
| 04:31.49 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 04:31.54 | kergoth | "dont make pepperoni a module!" |
| 04:32.00 | TheMasterMind1 | we should add that in |
| 04:32.01 | kergoth | hey thats it, M is a half topping |
| 04:32.02 | TheMasterMind1 | even if it doesn't actually work |
| 04:32.05 | TheMasterMind1 | just have it in the config |
| 04:32.40 | kergoth | wtf, now it wont even turn the backlight on |
| 04:32.42 | kergoth | grr |
| 04:33.09 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:33.21 | kergoth | suspend is happy though |
| 04:33.25 | kergoth | no more big white glowing screen |
| 04:33.29 | TheMasterMind1 | everyone's favorite gui |
| 04:33.44 | TheMasterMind1 | 20minutes ETA on the initrd download |
| 04:33.56 | TheMasterMind1 | hey look, its going up |
| 04:33.57 | TheMasterMind1 | 24min |
| 04:35.11 | ljp | eeekk |
| 04:35.17 | kergoth | whee. |
| 04:35.39 | ljp | nice having enough room for real bash |
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| 04:36.20 | kergoth | holy crap is pcmcia hosed |
| 04:36.20 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:36.20 | kergoth | wtf happened |
| 04:36.26 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: heh |
| 04:36.26 | TheMasterMind1 | told ya |
| 04:36.37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: try an older kernel, the one you uploaded |
| 04:36.40 | TheMasterMind1 | so we know if its kernel or initrd |
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| 04:36.56 | TheMasterMind1 | i compiled bash on our cray sv1 supercomputer at school |
| 04:36.59 | TheMasterMind1 | took like 5 hours |
| 04:37.08 | nightfire | haha |
| 04:37.27 | TheMasterMind1 | got yelled at by the sysadmin too |
| 04:37.35 | TheMasterMind1 | bash "takes away from the supercomputer experience" |
| 04:37.54 | TheMasterMind1 | apparently not being able to press up and no working backspace is part of the "experience" |
| 04:38.32 | kergoth | heh, if you want htat experience just install solaris intel on your damn desktop |
| 04:38.32 | TheMasterMind1 | i wish debian supported that thing.. i'd love replace unicos with debian |
| 04:39.32 | TheMasterMind1 | you know what i really hate, the crappy busybox configs on all the boot floppies out there |
| 04:39.41 | TheMasterMind1 | especially the debian boot floppies |
| 04:39.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:39.56 | kergoth | use OE to build boot floppies |
| 04:40.02 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i think i will |
| 04:40.25 | TheMasterMind1 | 13minutes on the initrd |
| 04:40.28 | TheMasterMind1 | then i'll test it |
| 04:40.31 | kergoth | k |
| 04:40.34 | W8TVI | some lame windows kiddie was trying to connect to my ap |
| 04:40.40 | kergoth | i just updated hte kernel modules in my image and reflashing it |
| 04:40.45 | kergoth | just in case something's out of sync |
| 04:40.48 | nightfire | kergoth: is the kernel parameter CONFIG_CMDLINE what you were telling me to change console=tty0 to? |
| 04:40.48 | W8TVI | tried 3 cards |
| 04:40.52 | kergoth | nightfire: yes. |
| 04:40.58 | nightfire | ok, well then.. no dice |
| 04:41.00 | nightfire | i don't get it. |
| 04:41.01 | kergoth | nightfire: there are lots of other things in that, only change console= |
| 04:41.06 | kergoth | then you fucked something up |
| 04:41.09 | kergoth | i dunno what |
| 04:41.10 | kergoth | but something |
| 04:42.05 | nightfire | well, i was using the sharp patched kernel |
| 04:42.07 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:42.10 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone seen chasing papi? |
| 04:42.23 | kergoth | we need to figure out where the hell in teh kernel startup process something blanks the fb console |
| 04:42.26 | kergoth | its annoying as hell |
| 04:42.27 | nightfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.28 | TheMasterMind1 | looks damn funny |
| 04:42.32 | nightfire | that's all i've got |
| 04:42.36 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i agree |
| 04:42.39 | kergoth | nightfire: thats not a correct cmdline, the husky config is hosed |
| 04:42.48 | kergoth | nightfire: look at the shepherd CONFIG_CMDLINE |
| 04:42.50 | kergoth | nightfire: use that |
| 04:42.52 | nightfire | ok. |
| 04:44.29 | nightfire | whoa. |
| 04:44.30 | nightfire | heh. |
| 04:44.35 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 04:45.08 | kergoth | ah ha! |
| 04:45.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: |
| 04:45.14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: pcmcia works for me again |
| 04:45.24 | ljp | tomorrows take down day |
| 04:45.26 | kergoth | okay, time to fix backlight |
| 04:46.10 | absentiaZ | takedown? |
| 04:46.19 | kergoth | ah ha! backlight didnt get built in for some reason |
| 04:46.19 | absentiaZ | not SAAD? |
| 04:46.24 | kergoth | thats why it isnt working |
| 04:46.44 | ljp | takedown == rip apart computer for transport |
| 04:47.30 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hwat'd you do |
| 04:47.45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i rebuilt an image that matched this kernel. this kernel config has pcmcia and ide both as modules |
| 04:47.50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but the image didnt havfe those modules |
| 04:47.51 | kergoth | .. |
| 04:47.57 | kergoth | no sa1100 pcmcia support = no pcmcia |
| 04:47.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:47.58 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm ok |
| 04:48.05 | TheMasterMind1 | makes sense |
| 04:49.47 | nightfire | damn. |
| 04:50.09 | nightfire | no dice |
| 04:50.51 | kergoth | nightfire: compare our CONFIG_CMDLINE in our shepherd config against build/linux/arch/arm/def-configs/shepherd |
| 04:51.00 | kergoth | the one in def-configs is sharps |
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| 04:52.53 | nightfire | well, there doesn't seem to be< CONFIG_CMDLINE="console=null root=/dev/mtdblock2 mtdparts=sharpsl-nand:7168k@0k(smf),25600k@7168k(root),-(home) jffs2_orphaned_inodes=delete rootfstype=jffs2" |
| 04:52.53 | nightfire | --- |
| 04:52.53 | nightfire | > CONFIG_CMDLINE="console=ttyS0 root=/dev/mtdblock2" |
| 04:52.57 | TheMasterMind1 | downlaod done, testing |
| 04:53.05 | nightfire | er. |
| 04:53.07 | nightfire | haha |
| 04:54.34 | nightfire | maybe i should try turning off the serial console |
| 04:54.43 | kergoth | no |
| 04:54.46 | nightfire | ok.. :) |
| 04:54.50 | kergoth | console= controls it. |
| 04:54.58 | nightfire | is it not even getting to that point? |
| 04:55.03 | kergoth | you can enable any number of possible consoles. as long asyou slect the correct one with console= |
| 04:55.07 | kergoth | are you on crack |
| 04:55.08 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:55.17 | kergoth | how do you think the kernel displays early boot messages? |
| 04:55.20 | kergoth | it obeys CONSOLE |
| 04:55.20 | nightfire | well, does it require the framebuffer driver to be loaded? |
| 04:55.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:55.25 | nightfire | there's no vga console is it? |
| 04:55.28 | nightfire | is there |
| 04:55.30 | kergoth | oh my fucking lord. |
| 04:55.37 | nightfire | wait |
| 04:55.40 | nightfire | ahem. |
| 04:55.40 | kergoth | I dont feel like explaining arm kernels 101 just now, thanks. |
| 04:55.48 | kergoth | its not a vga console, its a pxa framebuffer |
| 04:56.07 | nightfire | and the first thing it does is load it, if for no other reason than to display the logo |
| 04:56.12 | nightfire | ok - fine. |
| 04:56.27 | kergoth | console=tty0 |
| 04:56.29 | kergoth | not null |
| 04:56.30 | kergoth | not ttyS0 |
| 04:56.32 | nightfire | i've got that |
| 04:56.38 | nightfire | i checked my vmlinux image |
| 04:56.38 | kergoth | then you have messages on the framebuffer. |
| 04:56.42 | nightfire | nothing. |
| 04:56.47 | nightfire | blinking cursor |
| 04:56.47 | kergoth | vmlinux? |
| 04:56.50 | kergoth | you dont flash vmlinux |
| 04:56.52 | kergoth | you flash zImage |
| 04:56.52 | nightfire | i know |
| 04:57.01 | nightfire | but i coulnd't grep through zImage for strings.. |
| 04:57.05 | nightfire | but anyway, the timestamps are the same |
| 04:57.12 | nightfire | and vmlinux contains 'console=tty0' |
| 04:57.14 | kergoth | well i dunno what to tell you |
| 04:57.16 | nightfire | along with the rest of the cmdline |
| 04:57.19 | kergoth | i havent had any problems with my c750 |
| 04:57.25 | kergoth | and apparently sashz had no problems on his c760 |
| 04:57.26 | ljp | what device? c700? |
| 04:57.30 | kergoth | ljp: c760 |
| 04:57.30 | nightfire | c760 |
| 04:57.33 | kergoth | aka husky |
| 04:57.44 | ljp | zImage.bin ?? |
| 04:58.15 | nightfire | yes |
| 04:58.29 | nightfire | i've seen both the sharp and the openzaurus logos come up with various kernels |
| 04:58.31 | kergoth | you see an OZ logo right, not sharp? |
| 04:58.35 | kergoth | okay good |
| 04:58.43 | ljp | well, send that c760 to me |
| 04:58.47 | nightfire | heh |
| 04:58.59 | nightfire | :/ |
| 04:58.59 | kergoth | damnit, i only needed to flash a zimage |
| 04:59.05 | kergoth | i hate it when i forget to rm the initrd.bin on the card |
| 04:59.08 | nightfire | oh.. hmm. |
| 04:59.11 | nightfire | the mail light is flashing now |
| 04:59.13 | nightfire | that's odd :) |
| 04:59.23 | kergoth | strange |
| 04:59.27 | nightfire | and the cursor stopped flashing |
| 05:00.47 | kergoth | nightfire: |
| 05:00.51 | kergoth | ~/coding/projects/user/oz/collie$ cat packages/kernel-shepherd/husky |grep BOOTLDR |
| 05:00.54 | kergoth | CONFIG_SHARPSL_BOOTLDR_PARAMS=y |
| 05:00.57 | kergoth | disable that |
| 05:01.02 | nightfire | ok |
| 05:01.06 | kergoth | its overriding your CMDLINE with the sharp bootloader's version |
| 05:01.10 | kergoth | which is outside our control |
| 05:01.12 | nightfire | ah. |
| 05:01.24 | ljp | your using updater.sh ? |
| 05:01.32 | nightfire | yep, from experiemntal/husky |
| 05:02.47 | nightfire | compiling. |
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| 05:03.05 | nightfire | how the hell did you guys figure all of this out? |
| 05:03.11 | nightfire | do you have specs from sharp or something? |
| 05:03.25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ts works |
| 05:03.36 | kergoth | nightfire: nah we dont have jack for specs on teh c7x0 units |
| 05:03.38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it does? |
| 05:03.44 | nightfire | heh. |
| 05:03.51 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yep |
| 05:03.54 | TheMasterMind1 | i can drawpad |
| 05:04.27 | TheMasterMind1 | works great |
| 05:04.30 | TheMasterMind1 | with normal calibrate |
| 05:04.35 | TheMasterMind1 | calibrate2 sucks |
| 05:04.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hah |
| 05:04.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nice |
| 05:04.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thats a relief man |
| 05:04.50 | kergoth | one less thing to worry about |
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| 05:05.17 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 05:05.18 | TheMasterMind1 | finally |
| 05:05.21 | TheMasterMind1 | almost there |
| 05:05.26 | andersee | kergoth: so everything is now working on 2.4.21-rmk1 'cept sd? |
| 05:06.05 | nightfire | YES. |
| 05:06.06 | nightfire | success. |
| 05:06.12 | nightfire | guys, thanks. |
| 05:06.14 | kergoth | andersee: that and a couple minor bugfixes, yeah. |
| 05:06.20 | kergoth | nightfire: nice. |
| 05:06.34 | andersee | nice |
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| 05:08.03 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: backlight has 0-255 now? |
| 05:08.09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: can we add a contrast too? |
| 05:08.28 | kergoth | i'm working on backlight now |
| 05:08.34 | kergoth | yay, it turned the bl power on finally |
| 05:08.48 | kergoth | now lets confirm its fine on suspend/resume |
| 05:09.08 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 05:09.11 | kergoth | # ./bl |
| 05:09.14 | TheMasterMind1 | konsole needs to use an AA font |
| 05:09.19 | kergoth | Brightness: -382910416 (./bl b 0-255 to set) |
| 05:09.22 | kergoth | wtf is that? |
| 05:09.26 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: lol |
| 05:09.50 | nightfire | aa font in a terminal? |
| 05:09.56 | TheMasterMind1 | nightfire: yea |
| 05:10.03 | nightfire | why not bitmap? |
| 05:10.08 | kergoth | okay bl works, it just isnt showing current properly |
| 05:10.28 | nightfire | konsole seems pretty slow as it is :/ |
| 05:10.34 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yea.. iirc it returns a struct and one of the items in it is the current value. so something screws up when you suspend |
| 05:10.40 | TheMasterMind1 | will need to figure it out |
| 05:10.46 | TheMasterMind1 | nightfire: i don't care what format the font is in |
| 05:10.51 | TheMasterMind1 | as long as its antialised |
| 05:10.53 | TheMasterMind1 | its not slow.. |
| 05:10.57 | kergoth | hrm wtf |
| 05:11.05 | kergoth | when i suspend via the back switch, the bl is on full |
| 05:11.12 | kergoth | when i s uspend via the proc interface, life is good |
| 05:11.14 | kergoth | weird |
| 05:12.03 | TheMasterMind1 | the back switch is weird |
| 05:12.06 | TheMasterMind1 | half the time the doesn't shut off the screen |
| 05:12.12 | TheMasterMind1 | other half it makes it white |
| 05:13.36 | kergoth | yeah, its strange |
| 05:13.39 | kergoth | not sure whats up |
| 05:16.15 | ljp | I noticed on the c700 flipping it off doesnt clear the screen. its when you flip it back on when it clears and restarts |
| 05:18.30 | TheMasterMind1 | drawpad keeps get page faults |
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| 05:25.36 | nightfire | sharpsl-nand:7168k@0k(smf) |
| 05:25.37 | nightfire | what's smf? |
| 05:27.27 | kergoth | nightfire: contains things like the kernel |
| 05:27.41 | kergoth | nightfire: and the private kernel and initrd used by the updater tool |
| 05:28.03 | nightfire | hmm.. i guess these would have to match whatever split the rom is using |
| 05:28.18 | nightfire | when it gets flashed? |
| 05:29.06 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:29.09 | kergoth | split? |
| 05:29.22 | nightfire | well presumably there's an offset for where the initrd starts right? |
| 05:29.40 | kergoth | yes.. if you fuck up smf, you wont be able to update your Z without using the diagnostics mode recovery |
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| 05:35.04 | kergoth | damnit, backlight is still hokey on suspend/resume |
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| 05:37.51 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: damn |
| 05:38.11 | kergoth | grr |
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| 05:47.46 | kergoth | grr! |
| 05:50.22 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 05:50.24 | TheMasterMind1 | still no go eh |
| 05:50.54 | kergoth | yep. just strange |
| 05:55.06 | heatx | ?? |
| 06:00.19 | kergoth | ah, think i got it |
| 06:00.20 | kergoth | lets test |
| 06:00.30 | kergoth | I'm going to insert some printk()s in the console blanking functions |
| 06:00.36 | kergoth | see if i can figure out who's blanking the lcd on bootup |
| 06:01.24 | kergoth | I need a linux kernel function to dump the current stack contents |
| 06:01.31 | kergoth | so ic an look at the call path at various points |
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| 06:05.22 | kergoth | woot. |
| 06:05.23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: got it. |
| 06:05.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: display finally goes completely blank as it should |
| 06:08.33 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 06:08.37 | TheMasterMind1 | what was screwing it up |
| 06:09.53 | TheMasterMind1 | hows the odevice stuff going? did you fix the zaurus device checking |
| 06:11.07 | kergoth | nah |
| 06:11.15 | kergoth | getting fucking tired, i think its about time i left work |
| 06:11.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:11.33 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 06:11.50 | W8TVI- | lol |
| 06:12.24 | heatx | damn..kergoth! |
| 06:12.44 | heatx | still at work |
| 06:15.43 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 06:15.50 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't believe ts actually works |
| 06:17.20 | tronical | ibot praise tmm1 and kergoth |
| 06:17.22 | | All hail tmm1 and kergoth! |
| 06:17.47 | TheMasterMind1 | just pushed the ts pressure fix |
| 06:18.09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: did you push the preempt stuff upstream? i wanna test it |
| 06:18.19 | kergoth | yeah |
| 06:18.23 | kergoth | just enable it |
| 06:18.32 | TheMasterMind1 | where |
| 06:18.39 | TheMasterMind1 | i tried looking for it |
| 06:18.39 | kergoth | processor or general |
| 06:18.40 | kergoth | i forget which |
| 06:19.00 | TheMasterMind1 | ah here it is |
| 06:19.19 | collord | preemt in a handheld seems useful |
| 06:19.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll test |
| 06:19.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: this thing where it doesnt wanna turn on is weird |
| 06:20.15 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: did you flip battery switch? |
| 06:20.16 | kergoth | not sure whats up with it |
| 06:20.36 | kergoth | i just full reset, flip switch to normal, and it fucking didnt want to resume from suspend when i hit on |
| 06:20.49 | TheMasterMind1 | yea its weird |
| 06:20.50 | TheMasterMind1 | do it again |
| 06:20.59 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i fix this keyboard stuff |
| 06:21.16 | TheMasterMind1 | the front panel keys don't work at all, and some of the keyboard keys are acting like up down, home, etc |
| 06:21.37 | kergoth | depends |
| 06:21.40 | kergoth | does that key work in console? |
| 06:21.49 | kergoth | or is it wierd in both console and opie? |
| 06:22.01 | TheMasterMind1 | just opie |
| 06:22.05 | TheMasterMind1 | fine in console |
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| 06:22.35 | drakonite | heylo |
| 06:23.12 | kergoth | ah hah! someone called hte disable sa1100 fb controller function |
| 06:23.17 | kergoth | in the middle of the bootup |
| 06:23.24 | TheMasterMind1 | awesome |
| 06:23.25 | TheMasterMind1 | you found it |
| 06:24.03 | TheMasterMind1 | entry-armv.S: Assembler messages: |
| 06:24.03 | TheMasterMind1 | entry-armv.S:732: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up |
| 06:24.04 | TheMasterMind1 | with prempt |
| 06:24.10 | kergoth | using gcc3.3? |
| 06:24.11 | collord | kergoth: the mail gateway is set up on that RT instance |
| 06:24.16 | kergoth | try distcleaning your tree and rebuilding |
| 06:24.24 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 06:25.19 | kergoth | kernel/traps.c:135:static void I_really_mean_dump_stack_so_dont_mess_with_me(struct task_struct *tsk, unsigned long sp) |
| 06:25.22 | kergoth | haha |
| 06:25.24 | kergoth | thats an awesome function name |
| 06:25.56 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 06:26.12 | W8TVI- | lol |
| 06:26.15 | TheMasterMind1 | damn, really productive day today |
| 06:26.22 | kergoth | yeah |
| 06:26.26 | kergoth | i'll push the backlight bits |
| 06:26.45 | W8TVI- | can you make dhcpd give addresses in the 127.0.0.* range? |
| 06:26.56 | drakonite | who here was it that wanted me to build them an image with dump_cis in it? |
| 06:26.59 | TheMasterMind1 | W8TVI-: you can make it do anything you want afaik |
| 06:27.03 | TheMasterMind1 | shouldn't complain |
| 06:27.09 | W8TVI- | heh |
| 06:27.24 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 06:27.43 | TheMasterMind1 | thats like setting domain names to point at 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:27.44 | TheMasterMind1 | so much fun |
| 06:27.55 | W8TVI- | I'm going to make dhcp give loopback addresses to unknown clients |
| 06:28.10 | TheMasterMind1 | W8TVI-: but, dhcpd doesn't start if one of the network interfaces doesn't have an ip addr in that subnet |
| 06:28.22 | TheMasterMind1 | so you'll have to make like a eth0:1 or something |
| 06:28.28 | TheMasterMind1 | tell me if it works |
| 06:29.02 | W8TVI- | i've set dhcp to give known mac static addresses |
| 06:29.18 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: wait, so how do i fix qte keyboard stuff |
| 06:29.21 | Masticator | half naked women, with catfish. |
| 06:29.28 | Masticator | http://members.rott.chello.nl/tmarapengopie/women2.htm |
| 06:29.32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you dont, you wait for me to do it |
| 06:29.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its been on the todo for ages |
| 06:29.38 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sounds good |
| 06:29.45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: c700 needs that fix also for its right shift key to work |
| 06:29.49 | kergoth | and side jog dial & shit |
| 06:30.01 | W8TVI- | oops |
| 06:30.02 | W8TVI- | Address range 127.0.0.1 to 127.0.0.200 not on net 10.0.0.0/255.255.255.0! |
| 06:30.41 | W8TVI- | forgot to make a new subnet |
| 06:30.58 | TheMasterMind1 | Masticator: wow. thats some weird stuff |
| 06:31.21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: k, pushed the backlight fixes |
| 06:31.28 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 06:31.55 | TheMasterMind1 | no more on/off during bootup? |
| 06:32.10 | kergoth | on/off during bootup is there |
| 06:32.15 | W8TVI- | cool |
| 06:32.15 | kergoth | but suspend/reusme isnt the white screen anymore |
| 06:32.20 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 06:32.20 | W8TVI- | it didn't complain |
| 06:32.22 | kergoth | it shuts off the display and backlight properly |
| 06:32.30 | kergoth | working on the on/off during boot now |
| 06:33.37 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 06:33.46 | TheMasterMind1 | with prempt, backlight turning on was lagged |
| 06:35.07 | TheMasterMind1 | well stuff's working, thats a good sign |
| 06:35.47 | TheMasterMind1 | booting though, it sits at no RAMDISK found for a bit with backlight off |
| 06:35.50 | TheMasterMind1 | and then finally mounts jffs2 |
| 06:35.54 | TheMasterMind1 | and backlight turns on |
| 06:36.21 | kergoth | lets turn off ramdisk support. we arent using an initial ramdisk anyway |
| 06:36.30 | kergoth | damnit! |
| 06:36.45 | kergoth | This architecutre does not implement dump_stack() |
| 06:36.47 | kergoth | in my dmesg |
| 06:37.06 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 06:37.13 | andersee | kergoth: do you also specify rootfstype=jffs2 to make sure it doesn't try to probe fs type? |
| 06:38.06 | TheMasterMind1 | andersee: yep |
| 06:38.23 | TheMasterMind1 | my cmdline also includes noinitrd |
| 06:38.25 | andersee | just checking |
| 06:38.28 | heatxsink | hey |
| 06:38.29 | heatxsink | haha |
| 06:38.38 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, i need to fix ucb so it doesn't auto turn on sync option |
| 06:39.16 | W8TVI- | TheMasterMind1: I just need to make virtual network cards |
| 06:39.18 | andersee | When building the jffs2 rootfs, what version of mkfs.jffs2 are you using? |
| 06:39.26 | TheMasterMind1 | W8TVI-: yep |
| 06:39.50 | W8TVI- | but thats fine |
| 06:40.19 | TheMasterMind1 | andersee: pulling an mtd from cvs, and using that mkfs.jffs2 afaik |
| 06:40.33 | TheMasterMind1 | weird thing is, its only doing that slow mount thing with preempt turned on |
| 06:40.38 | andersee | The last time I update the mtd cvs, I added some code for adding cleanmarkers so it wouldn't scan and mark stuff on first boot |
| 06:40.44 | andersee | k |
| 06:41.01 | kergoth | andersee: we're using recent cvs, so we should be getting cleanmarkers |
| 06:41.13 | andersee | k, cool |
| 06:41.17 | kergoth | unbalanced irq enable from .. |
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| 06:48.00 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 06:48.02 | TheMasterMind1 | i should test irda |
| 06:50.27 | W8TVI- | Interface eth0 matches multiple shared networks |
| 06:50.32 | W8TVI- | :( |
| 06:52.49 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 06:52.58 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i just sent an address book item to my phone via irda! |
| 06:53.03 | TheMasterMind1 | worked great |
| 06:53.11 | TheMasterMind1 | and discovery worked too, the Z saw the phone |
| 06:53.21 | TheMasterMind1 | imma update the TODO =P |
| 06:56.01 | TheMasterMind1 | and now its time to watch tomb raider 2 |
| 06:56.12 | drakonite | er... talking about irda on the zaurus? I tried sending my business card to my uncle's pda and it crashed his... lol |
| 06:56.44 | W8TVI- | I crashed a friends palm that way |
| 06:56.55 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 06:57.00 | W8TVI- | but it was with the buggy version of opie-addressbook |
| 06:57.32 | drakonite | i did it with whatever the newest version was around july 4th... lol |
| 06:57.53 | W8TVI- | I'm using the july 25 version |
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| 07:01.01 | drakonite | ooh.. looks like kergoth heard about libpng and fixed it. |
| 07:03.00 | kergoth | no, i didnt. |
| 07:03.02 | kergoth | someone else did though |
| 07:03.07 | W8TVI- | fixed it... needed shared-network foo { |
| 07:03.08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: irda works? haha |
| 07:03.09 | TheMasterMind1 | libpng was broke? |
| 07:03.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no fucking way |
| 07:03.12 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yep, works great |
| 07:03.23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i love it when you do something, and it just *works* though its never been tested |
| 07:03.26 | kergoth | thats just sweet |
| 07:03.27 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 07:03.33 | drakonite | kergoth: oh, something i saw made it look like you did... hehe, thanks anyways ;) |
| 07:03.39 | TheMasterMind1 | we're almost there |
| 07:03.43 | drakonite | TheMasterMind1: yeah, download URL was 404 |
| 07:03.48 | kergoth | i'll hack on sdmmc some more tomorrow |
| 07:04.14 | TheMasterMind1 | drakonite: ah ok |
| 07:04.29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: great. then just need a little bit of opie/qte cleanup and we're set |
| 07:04.45 | TheMasterMind1 | and i need to play with this ts smoothing algorithm in qte tslib |
| 07:04.48 | TheMasterMind1 | makes lines too linear |
| 07:04.51 | W8TVI- | TheMasterMind1: Abandoning IP address 127.0.0.200: pinged before offer |
| 07:05.03 | TheMasterMind1 | W8TVI-: hrm. is that good or bad |
| 07:05.16 | W8TVI- | bad... |
| 07:05.18 | drakonite | kergoth: I've been having problems with it saying can't fill the dependency qpf-bitstream-vera when i build an image, any ideas or am i just an idiot? lol |
| 07:05.25 | W8TVI- | its not taking the address |
| 07:05.40 | TheMasterMind1 | drakonite: rm output/ipks/qpf*full.ipk |
| 07:05.54 | TheMasterMind1 | drakonite: rm output/ipks/qpf*full*.ipk |
| 07:05.57 | TheMasterMind1 | and then make image |
| 07:06.32 | drakonite | TheMasterMind1: ok, thanks.. I just pulled the new stuff a minute ago to see if it fixed it so i have to wait a minute though. |
| 07:06.34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: smoothing where? |
| 07:06.44 | W8TVI- | TheMasterMind1: but i'm getting closer |
| 07:06.57 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i dunno. i'm guessing its in qte but i'll have to look |
| 07:07.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we dont want qte doing anything like that, since tslib can already do dejitter stuff |
| 07:07.20 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 07:07.22 | kergoth | I need to patch the hell out of qte adn tslib both soon |
| 07:07.29 | TheMasterMind1 | should be fun |
| 07:07.29 | kergoth | there are some major lacking things in tslib right now |
| 07:07.42 | kergoth | it rocks, but needs some fixes here & there |
| 07:08.12 | kergoth | heh, i still cant believe irda works |
| 07:08.16 | kergoth | spooky |
| 07:09.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so you using 2.4.21 on your Z all the time now? |
| 07:09.11 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 07:09.22 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 07:09.29 | kergoth | nice. |
| 07:09.31 | TheMasterMind1 | not that i actually USE my z for anything |
| 07:09.44 | kergoth | yeah me neither |
| 07:09.48 | TheMasterMind1 | actually, i should fix up pcmcia and then i can use wifi |
| 07:10.16 | TheMasterMind1 | got that bootup on off thing figured out? |
| 07:10.34 | kergoth | nah arm doesnt have a nice dump_stack() function for some reason |
| 07:10.36 | kergoth | its pissing me off |
| 07:10.45 | kergoth | so i'm going to make my kernel BUG() when it tries to disable the fb |
| 07:10.54 | kergoth | so i can figure out the call path by which it got there |
| 07:10.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:11.32 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 07:11.41 | TheMasterMind1 | its being called but you don't know from where |
| 07:11.44 | TheMasterMind1 | thats always fun |
| 07:14.27 | TheMasterMind1 | time for some lara croft |
| 07:14.36 | drakonite | TheMasterMind1: yay! thanks. works now. |
| 07:14.57 | TheMasterMind1 | np |
| 07:15.25 | drakonite | the full has more fonts then the light i take it? |
| 07:20.31 | kergoth | drakonite: it has more sizes |
| 07:20.41 | kergoth | drakonite: large font sizes, generally only useful on 640x480 devices |
| 07:21.03 | drakonite | kergoth: oh, ok, thanks. and to include that delete the light files instead of full? |
| 07:23.00 | kergoth | yes |
| 07:23.22 | drakonite | kergoth: thanks. |
| 07:24.39 | kergoth | what device? |
| 07:24.45 | drakonite | 5500 |
| 07:25.22 | drakonite | yeah, nothing special I'm sure... but I'm happy to actually get buildroot to build succesfully and have stuff load up. |
| 07:27.12 | drakonite | wow... it looks surprisingly different |
| 07:36.04 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: go home already |
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| 07:47.08 | Masticator | chris go home |
| 07:47.14 | Masticator | what the hell are you still doing at work |
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| 07:50.10 | W8TVI- | TheMasterMind1: got I it to work |
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| 07:50.42 | Harlekin | lo |
| 07:50.48 | drakonite | her Harlekin |
| 07:50.49 | W8TVI- | it replys network is unreachable |
| 07:50.52 | drakonite | hi Harlekin |
| 07:50.56 | Harlekin | hi drakonite |
| 07:51.12 | W8TVI- | option broadcast-address127.0.0.255 |
| 07:59.44 | W8TVI- | I got it set up to put any unknown mac on a seprate subnet |
| 08:00.08 | W8TVI- | also the default gateway is 127.0.0.1 |
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| 08:01.10 | tronical | W8TVI-: you could redirect them into another subnet where a transparent http proxy tells them upon opening of their browser that they should register their mac at you :) |
| 08:01.31 | W8TVI | heh |
| 08:01.56 | W8TVI | if I knew how to set that up... |
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| 08:02.25 | heatxsink | ? |
| 08:02.48 | heatxsink | drakonite: ? |
| 08:02.48 | heatxsink | hello? |
| 08:02.48 | heatxsink | haha |
| 08:03.02 | tronical | W8TVI: got access to the gateway or a transparent bridge in front of the gateway, so you can catch everyones packets? |
| 08:03.46 | W8TVI | um... everything goes into my router before going onto the internet over dial-up |
| 08:04.14 | W8TVI | everything goes into a 10/100 switch before to goes to the router |
| 08:04.27 | W8TVI | and my ap is hooked up to the router |
| 08:05.11 | drakonite | hi heatxsink |
| 08:05.28 | W8TVI | my AP is also a linksys broadband router |
| 08:05.29 | drakonite | sorry, i'm working on fixing some food, lol.. |
| 08:05.54 | heatxsink | drakonite: all good |
| 08:07.17 | tronical | W8TVI: so you could just install a squid on your router, make it listen on the loopback device only and add iptables rules to redirect to the localhost squid if the source ip is of the special private subnet |
| 08:07.48 | tronical | W8TVI: that however still doesn't prevent people from grabbing any ip address of their choice, so in addition you shold probably run arpwatch to see what's going on |
| 08:08.22 | W8TVI | I have two subnets going... |
| 08:08.24 | cmartin | drakonite: food at 2 am - it's going to be a long night eh' |
| 08:08.32 | W8TVI | 10.0.0.* and 10.0.1.* |
| 08:08.46 | W8TVI | the router is on 10.0.0.254 |
| 08:08.53 | drakonite | cmartin: hehe... 3am actually... and i didn't get to sleep until noon yesterday and got up around midnight so yeah, got a long night ahead of me, lol |
| 08:09.02 | W8TVI | and so is all my known devices |
| 08:09.05 | cmartin | drakonite: oh yes, |
| 08:10.49 | cmartin | drakonite: upload to incoming first then go in the projects admin area and select the files ;) |
| 08:11.04 | drakonite | cmartin: eh? |
| 08:11.13 | W8TVI | if I want the unknown devices to be able to get on the internet, I need to make eth0:1 have an address on 10.0.1.*, right? |
| 08:11.45 | Harlekin | 'http://handhelds.org/scap/port.31219.png' |
| 08:12.24 | drakonite | cmartin: nm.. i got sftp working now |
| 08:12.48 | tronical | Harlekin: nice |
| 08:13.11 | cmartin | drakonite: 1. FTP to upload.sourceforge.net |
| 08:13.12 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.12 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.13 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.13 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.14 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.15 | Harlekin | sneak at Opie I look |
| 08:14.19 | drakonite | cmartin: hmm... really? odd... i got it to work with just sftp myprojectname.sourceforge.net ... it logged me in and let me upload and was nice to me and all |
| 08:15.37 | W8TVI | night all |
| 08:16.49 | cmartin | drakonite: that's the instructions from the sourceforge site, but if that works for you great |
| 08:17.13 | drakonite | i never get any work done on that project.. i always push it off to the side... lol.. that space gets more use as a temporary spot than for the project lately, lol |
| 08:17.38 | drakonite | cmartin: yeah.. I think sourceforge has changed stuff a couple times lately. it used to be they didn't allow plain ftp I think. |
| 08:20.05 | cmartin | i get ibot mails sometimes from people - how is that done? |
| 08:21.46 | drakonite | ibot help |
| 08:22.22 | drakonite | what kind of retart messed up pizza rolls? omfg... all you gotta do is put them in the toaser oven, wait a few minutes and take them out... |
| 08:22.46 | drakonite | but noo... i walked off and forgot about them and now some of them are a little burnt... |
| 08:22.59 | drakonite | ibot mail |
| 08:22.59 | | somebody said mail was on it's way :-) |
| 08:23.10 | drakonite | ibot how do i mail people |
| 08:23.11 | | drakonite: no idea |
| 08:23.19 | drakonite | ibot where can i learn about iot |
| 08:23.20 | | i haven't a clue, drakonite |
| 08:23.21 | drakonite | ibot where can i learn about ibot |
| 08:23.22 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, drakonite |
| 08:23.27 | drakonite | lol |
| 08:23.32 | drakonite | ibot help ibot |
| 08:23.42 | drakonite | ibot help mail |
| 08:26.09 | drakonite | cmartin: i think i know how to send mail to registered nicks, but i dunno about using ibot.. |
| 08:31.20 | drakonite | ibot tell cmartin hi for me |
| 08:31.29 | drakonite | grrr |
| 08:35.01 | cmartin | i don't think ibot wants to cooperate |
| 08:35.14 | drakonite | no |
| 08:35.17 | drakonite | he doesn't like me either |
| 08:37.48 | drakonite | is aqpkg currently broken? |
| 08:39.25 | heatxsink | anyone know how to unpack an ipk? |
| 08:40.20 | drakonite | heatxsink, if you have ipkg-tools i think it's called ipkg-deb-unbuild |
| 08:40.41 | collord | can't you just untar it? |
| 08:41.02 | heatxsink | ya that's what i thought.. |
| 08:41.05 | heatxsink | but that doesn't work |
| 08:41.05 | drakonite | collord: depends, there are two different kinds of ipks I think. one is a tar.gz file, one isn't. |
| 08:41.05 | heatxsink | haah |
| 08:41.12 | heatxsink | ahh.. |
| 08:42.30 | drakonite | heatxsink: you're right, it didn't get packed, but it did get built.. hang on, lemme look here |
| 08:42.40 | heatxsink | k |
| 08:42.40 | heatxsink | cool |
| 08:47.26 | drakonite | heatxsink: ok, fixed it and got it included now.. had to change stuff in TWO spots not just one, lol |
| 08:47.41 | heatxsink | sweet |
| 08:47.49 | drakonite | but we gotta think of a better way to send files, because i dont' want to have to log in to sf like that so much |
| 08:47.51 | heatxsink | thanks a lot... |
| 08:47.58 | heatxsink | ya |
| 08:48.03 | heatxsink | you wanna try dcc again? |
| 08:48.58 | drakonite | heatxsink: sending... |
| 08:49.02 | heatxsink | crap |
| 08:49.11 | drakonite | no luck? |
| 08:49.15 | heatxsink | ya |
| 08:49.17 | heatxsink | no joy |
| 08:52.20 | collord | ok, so what's a good getting started doc for openembedded? |
| 08:58.21 | drakonite | anybody want to act as a proxy and accept a file from me and send it to heatxsink? lol |
| 08:59.52 | Harlekin | collord: reg rt, does it support custom masks |
| 09:00.13 | collord | sorry? |
| 09:00.25 | Harlekin | wherent you the rt fan yesterday? |
| 09:00.57 | collord | oh right, sorry |
| 09:01.00 | collord | do you want a login too? |
| 09:01.14 | Harlekin | no, just wanted to know that one .-) |
| 09:01.15 | collord | i'm not sure i know what a custom mask is |
| 09:01.36 | Harlekin | ah: like we can make different interfaces like: one for dummys |
| 09:01.42 | Harlekin | one for advanced users |
| 09:01.54 | Harlekin | or insert custom "dropdowns" |
| 09:03.16 | drakonite | Harlekin: can you help out with a filetranser maybe please? |
| 09:03.25 | drakonite | transfer even |
| 09:03.56 | Harlekin | drakonite: of what? |
| 09:04.39 | drakonite | a pcmcia-cs modules ipk (100k) to heatxsink.. our firewalls are clashing and it won't let me send it to him, and for some reason his email rejects it. |
| 09:05.30 | Harlekin | uh |
| 09:05.36 | Harlekin | did a mrproper in the morning |
| 09:05.39 | Harlekin | rebuiildng |
| 09:05.54 | drakonite | hmm.. nm.. i think heatxsink got something figured out... |
| 09:06.01 | Harlekin | drakonite: and my stuff is gcc3.3 build |
| 09:06.15 | drakonite | Harlekin: I meant i send the file to you, and then you send it on to him... |
| 09:06.36 | Harlekin | put it on a server |
| 09:06.36 | Harlekin | ? |
| 09:06.38 | Harlekin | ,.) |
| 09:06.54 | collord | Harlekin: not really customizable it doesn't look like |
| 09:07.29 | drakonite | Harlekin: what server? lol. it's alright... i get the feeling i know what he's doing, and if i'm right we'll be able to connect... |
| 09:07.54 | Harlekin | collord: hmm , but its open soruce so we can customize it to our needs |
| 09:10.24 | Twiun | morn' |
| 09:11.41 | TheMasterMind1 | hey Twiun |
| 09:12.43 | drakonite | hi Twiun |
| 09:13.38 | heatxsink | hi Twiun |
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| 09:26.13 | heatxsink | hey thanks! |
| 09:34.25 | cmartin | drakonite: get my botmail? |
| 09:35.01 | drakonite | cmartin: umm... no, i don't think so... |
| 09:35.10 | drakonite | brb |
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| 09:35.17 | cmartin | drakonite: you should now that you have said something |
| 09:35.43 | drakonite | cmartin: i did after i left the room and came bakc |
| 09:35.57 | cmartin | drakonite: then i know now how it works ;) |
| 09:36.01 | drakonite | lol |
| 09:36.37 | drakonite | how? |
| 09:36.38 | cmartin | "/msg ibot message for NICK: MESSAGE" |
| 09:37.51 | cmartin | according to the infos i found about it the message is delivered either when the user logs in or says something on the channel |
| 09:38.39 | drakonite | oh |
| 09:39.54 | drakonite | did you get the message from me? |
| 09:40.10 | cmartin | maybe after i say something ;) |
| 09:40.23 | drakonite | i sent it just after you said how to, lol |
| 09:41.47 | cmartin | well, the message seems to only be sent when the user logs in :( |
| 09:42.27 | cmartin | that's to bad, 'cause i want to send one to mickeyl, but he's always online - just changes his nick when he goes away |
| 09:42.49 | drakonite | maybe the changing of nicks triggers it too |
| 09:43.04 | cmartin | no i just tried that as you can see |
| 09:43.32 | drakonite | oh, i didn't realize that was you, lol. not watching closely |
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| 09:44.33 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: hi |
| 09:44.42 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: how did your experiments with .21 rom go |
| 09:45.10 | cmartin | drakonite: got it - to bad that that only works after logging in |
| 09:54.49 | Harlekin | somebody knows Josiah Bryan ? |
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| 09:55.51 | Twiun | hey _ibz |
| 09:56.30 | _ibz | hey Twiun |
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| 10:14.45 | drakonite | Ping? anyone? |
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| 11:01.10 | Twiun | hrmph.... anyone know of a good vpn solution I can use for mixed windows/linux hosts? (without a hardware vpn device that is) |
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| 11:15.06 | Twiun | hey mithro |
| 11:16.17 | mithro | hey Twiun |
| 11:16.33 | mithro | you still have an off by one error in your package thing |
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| 11:18.17 | Twiun | mithro: thought that was fixed? |
| 11:21.56 | mithro | it's one to many now |
| 11:24.03 | Twiun | lol |
| 11:24.24 | Twiun | ok, I'll fix it to be one too few and just hack the total |
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| 11:54.47 | drakonite | hey mickeyl |
| 11:55.06 | mickeyl | hi Dr_Who |
| 11:55.10 | mickeyl | ~lart tab completion |
| 11:55.13 | mickeyl | ho drakonite |
| 11:55.33 | drakonite | hey mickeyl your so fine, your so fine.... |
| 11:55.45 | drakonite | lol |
| 11:56.45 | drakonite | hehe... sorry.. bad joke... |
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| 12:49.40 | mickeyl | wb |
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| 12:50.21 | cmartin | mickeyl: get my messages? |
| 12:50.36 | drakonite | hi cmartin |
| 12:50.49 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 12:51.01 | cmartin | what now? |
| 12:51.41 | mickeyl | cmartin: good question. two options: compile IDE monolithic or use 2.4.19. what would you favour? |
| 12:53.19 | cmartin | mickeyl: what is appropriate? - would it cause problems when a CF card is inserted? - would it be a problem with the automounting of the CF card? - not really sure |
| 12:54.29 | cmartin | if both questions can be answered with no, then the only problem is updating the modules (new zImage necessary) |
| 12:56.38 | absentia | re |
| 12:56.59 | cmartin | it is very teasing to say we are using 2.4.21 in the new image ;) |
| 12:57.11 | mickeyl | yeah... |
| 12:58.13 | mickeyl | backlight didn't turn off me after suspend/resume... could you test that? |
| 12:58.20 | cmartin | mickeyl: well, i would say if IDE functions well monolithic, then we should do it |
| 12:58.56 | cmartin | mickeyl: we can always change this in later updates |
| 12:59.03 | mickeyl | cmartin: could you test that? just saying "y" to where we said "m" in BLK_DEV_IDE_* |
| 12:59.19 | cmartin | yes |
| 12:59.40 | cmartin | cmartin is now editing simpad.config ;) |
| 13:01.01 | cmartin | oh, wait - i already tried setting CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE to "y" - this didn't help |
| 13:01.34 | cmartin | or must i set CONFIG_IDE to "y"? |
| 13:03.26 | cmartin | i will set the following all to "y" - CONFIG_IDE=y, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECS=y |
| 13:03.27 | cmartin | ok? |
| 13:04.01 | mickeyl | yep |
| 13:04.15 | cmartin | mickeyl: backlight? can you explain? |
| 13:04.42 | mickeyl | you remeber I patched opie to work with the SIMpad backlight |
| 13:04.47 | mickeyl | toggling on / off |
| 13:05.00 | mickeyl | now yesterday i had the situation where it wouldn't turn it off after suspend/resume |
| 13:05.27 | mickeyl | maybe a configuration problem, but may be something else - that's why i need a confirmation |
| 13:05.31 | cmartin | ok - just suspended/resumed - now i'll wait if the backlight turns off |
| 13:05.55 | mickeyl | yup. should turn off after what you have said... 60 seconds or so? |
| 13:06.32 | cmartin | mickeyl: another issue - since changing to BRANCH the buttons no longer function like they did under HEAD - any idea? |
| 13:07.27 | mickeyl | hmm... more details |
| 13:07.36 | mickeyl | i had no problems yet |
| 13:09.28 | cmartin | like i said the buttons don't function - no ESC, no ENTER, no Pad reactions - nothing |
| 13:10.07 | mickeyl | ah maybe you tested manually (without calling initrd) |
| 13:10.18 | mickeyl | then it won't work |
| 13:10.27 | mickeyl | read /etc/init.d/opie |
| 13:10.46 | mickeyl | you need to set environment variables for the SIMpad Qte keyboard handler |
| 13:11.30 | absentia | does anyone know any dalnet servers? |
| 13:11.36 | absentia | I'm tryring every single one on the dal.net web site |
| 13:11.38 | absentia | none of them are up |
| 13:12.32 | cmartin | mickeyl: no, i made a new image and booted, that's it - nothing manually started |
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| 13:13.14 | cmartin | mickeyl: backlight issue - the backlight dims, but doesn't turn off |
| 13:13.52 | cyn | if dalnet isn't dead then it's nearly so iirc |
| 13:14.04 | cyn | insofar as a lot of the servers went *bye bye!* |
| 13:14.19 | cyn | irc.dalnet.net or something surely should point to any active ones |
| 13:14.47 | absentia | cyn: ah! heheh.. it claims to be one of the biggest nets int he world.. |
| 13:15.01 | absentia | what is the largest irc? dalnet's bahamut server won't even compile... (under solaris) |
| 13:16.23 | mickeyl | cmartin: *sigh* ... now that is what I call a 2.4.21 showstopper... _if_ it is only in 2.4.21 |
| 13:16.46 | mickeyl | could also be an opie problem... but i doubt it |
| 13:17.11 | drakonite | absentia: dalnet *used* to be the largest irc network ;) |
| 13:18.03 | absentia | what is now ? |
| 13:18.44 | drakonite | i dunno... i think you undernet is pretty good sized, but the only irc server i've been connecting to for quite a while is freenode |
| 13:23.52 | cmartin | mickeyl: ok, i found the problem with the buttons - grep -qi "Simpad" /proc/cpuinfo gives no result - grep alone and with -i do - so there seems to be a problem with "grep -q" |
| 13:25.25 | mickeyl | cmartin: ouch... that's the result if people like me doing kernel work. |
| 13:25.40 | mickeyl | cmartin: so that means back to 2.4.19-rmk7-jpm2 for us. |
| 13:25.56 | mickeyl | aaah |
| 13:26.02 | mickeyl | didn't read closely |
| 13:26.09 | mickeyl | that explains the backlight image |
| 13:26.15 | mickeyl | maybe also |
| 13:26.37 | mickeyl | because Opie doesn't installt the proper ODevice handler for SIMpad if it doesn't get recognize |
| 13:26.38 | mickeyl | d |
| 13:27.10 | cmartin | just changed it to grep -i "Simpad" /proc/cpuinfo and restarting opie |
| 13:27.51 | Harlekin | man that simpad is so tempting |
| 13:28.15 | mickeyl | yeah it's nice to have Opie in 800x600 :D |
| 13:28.28 | mickeyl | and even without having to use large icons, because the screen is so big |
| 13:28.35 | Harlekin | nice to have a tablet webbrowser |
| 13:28.41 | cmartin | Harlekin is looking for student rebates on SIMpads ;) |
| 13:28.57 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 13:29.04 | Harlekin | even then it would be to expensive |
| 13:29.32 | mickeyl | and did i say that sniffing with PCMCIA cards is much better than with CF cards ? |
| 13:29.46 | cmartin | mickeyl: that change didn't fix my button problem |
| 13:30.42 | mickeyl | hmm... variables proper set? |
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| 13:31.58 | mickeyl | export QWS_KEYBOARD='SIMpad' && /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe - and look into the debug output. The SIMpad keyboard handler should say hello |
| 13:34.33 | mickeyl | cmartin: umm... by the way... grep -qi isn't supposed to give a command line output but a status code to the shell ;) |
| 13:35.05 | cmartin | k, my error |
| 13:35.14 | cmartin | here's the output |
| 13:35.15 | cmartin | QWSKeyboardHandler: using SIMpad keyboard handler... |
| 13:35.15 | cmartin | SimpadButtonsHandler() - V4.1 |
| 13:35.16 | cmartin | Keyboard type SIMpad:(null) unsupported |
| 13:35.29 | cmartin | when i press a button i get: |
| 13:35.49 | cmartin | SimpadButtonsHandler() - detected switches action |
| 13:35.49 | cmartin | SimpadButtonsHandler() - Shift: 0 [used: 0] + Event = 100 | 0 |
| 13:35.49 | cmartin | event interval = 2 |
| 13:35.50 | cmartin | event interval too small - ignoring bogus event |
| 13:35.50 | cmartin | did I say i hate buggy kernel drivers? :-D |
| 13:36.11 | absentia | I think I figured it out. sigh. |
| 13:36.11 | cmartin | that last line is interresting |
| 13:36.18 | absentia | amazing. |
| 13:37.19 | mickeyl | cmartin: hehe |
| 13:37.25 | mickeyl | cmartin: that looks like my style, yep |
| 13:37.34 | mickeyl | cmartin: does this come all the time? |
| 13:37.52 | cmartin | mickeyl: looks like we have to put 2.4.21 off for the future |
| 13:38.10 | mickeyl | cmartin: hmm... is this a preemptible kernel you are using? |
| 13:38.19 | mickeyl | cmartin: maybe its just a bug in preempt |
| 13:38.35 | mickeyl | cmartin: i only can say that keyboard switches work on "my" 2.4.21 |
| 13:40.14 | cmartin | mickeyl: ok, very strange - now they work and i don't get that kernel message - i did nothing to cause this |
| 13:40.31 | cmartin | no preempt kernel - i answered no to all questions |
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| 14:39.16 | mickeyl | wb |
| 14:42.49 | mithro | mickeyl: how far did you get with your ulibc stuff? |
| 14:44.39 | mickeyl | mithro: pretty far. 80% of packages in buildroot compiled without problems. |
| 14:45.05 | mickeyl | mithro: the rest didn't because of several aspects. andersee will fix some bugs and put out a new version in a few days. |
| 14:45.13 | mickeyl | mithro: i then will try to build a complete initrd with uclibc and test it. |
| 14:46.24 | mithro | i'm assuming your targeting the Simpad? |
| 14:46.32 | cmartin | mickeyl: found the problem (well the evil-doer) with the simpad buttons |
| 14:46.45 | mickeyl | mithro: no no, all targets. ipaq,zaurus,simpad |
| 14:46.50 | mickeyl | cmartin: what is it? |
| 14:46.56 | cmartin | mickeyl: when opie-login is started then they don't work after login |
| 14:47.22 | mickeyl | cmartin: hmm... environment screwed up? |
| 14:47.52 | mithro | o? thats cool |
| 14:48.01 | cmartin | mickeyl: i moved opie-login to _opie-login and restarted opie - buttons work |
| 14:48.51 | mickeyl | cmartin: so much for changes without thinking if it affects architectures other than the one... grrr |
| 14:49.09 | cmartin | mickeyl: strangely enough opie-login is now installed automatically even it i don't activate it in make image_menuconfig |
| 14:49.52 | cmartin | mickeyl: and according to the init.d script if opie-login is there it's started |
| 14:50.38 | cmartin | mickeyl: so i will have to manually deinstall opie-login in our images - who knows what effect that will have |
| 14:52.27 | cmartin | mickeyl: FYI - just installing a new image with monolithic IDE |
| 15:02.58 | mickeyl | cmartin: good. this is the last chance for .21. if it still doesn't work... back to .19 |
| 15:08.00 | cmartin | mickeyl: now i only get one unresolved symbol: |
| 15:08.03 | cmartin | *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.21-rmk1-jpm0/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-probe.o |
| 15:08.16 | cmartin | i can't find where this is set |
| 15:08.30 | mickeyl | which is the symbol? |
| 15:10.43 | cmartin | depmod: do_ide_request |
| 15:10.43 | cmartin | depmod: ide_add_generic_settings |
| 15:10.43 | cmartin | depmod: ide_xlate_1024_hook |
| 15:11.05 | mickeyl | hmm.... I'd say you missed on "m" -> "y" transfer |
| 15:11.09 | mickeyl | s/on/one |
| 15:11.16 | cmartin | why is ide-probe a module? |
| 15:11.17 | mickeyl | ide-probe shouldn't be modular |
| 15:11.22 | mickeyl | good question... |
| 15:11.55 | cmartin | i'm looking for the CONFIG option, but i haven't found it yet |
| 15:12.49 | mickeyl | is CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y ? |
| 15:14.31 | mickeyl | cmartin: btw., you can easily check what CONFIG option is responsible for what file by inspecting the relevant Makefile. in this case it is linux/drivers/ide/Makefile |
| 15:15.08 | mickeyl | hah! |
| 15:15.14 | mickeyl | i now see the damn proc-stuff |
| 15:15.22 | mickeyl | ide-obj-$(CONFIG_PROC_FS) += ide-proc.o |
| 15:15.28 | cmartin | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y - yes |
| 15:19.09 | mickeyl | bbl (maybe)... have rl work to do... good luck for the rest... |
| 15:19.49 | cmartin | mickeyl|away: stop looking |
| 15:20.29 | cmartin | found it - dumb cmartin forgot to get rid of ide-modules package and deactivate it in make image_menuconfig |
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| 15:48.57 | ljp | mickeyl|away: working now? |
| 15:49.18 | treke | ljp: shouldnt you be leaving ? |
| 15:49.29 | ljp | Harlekin: ? |
| 15:49.47 | Harlekin | yes? |
| 15:49.55 | Harlekin | ah wait |
| 15:51.59 | ljp | damned remove tabs function crept back into my emacs |
| 15:54.28 | absentia | re |
| 15:58.38 | ljp | bbl |
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| 16:22.01 | kergoth | travel - bulgarian.. damn good song |
| 16:22.21 | tux_mike | kergoth: hear a good sont? :) |
| 16:22.41 | tux_mike | s/sont/song |
| 16:22.43 | kergoth | hey i heard that one you mentioned last night. |
| 16:22.51 | kergoth | dont remember if i liked it or not |
| 16:22.56 | tux_mike | and did you? |
| 16:23.25 | tux_mike | it was monday night, btw :) |
| 16:23.39 | kergoth | pfft, whatever |
| 16:23.46 | tux_mike | heh |
| 16:24.07 | tux_mike | kergoth also not good at grammar :) |
| 16:24.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:25.03 | tux_mike | grammar bad! caffiene good! |
| 16:25.09 | treke | hmmm |
| 16:25.17 | treke | keyboards are getting way too cluttered |
| 16:25.29 | kergoth | what, with all the multimedia keys & crap? |
| 16:25.32 | kergoth | i hate that shit |
| 16:25.44 | treke | yeah. And just about every key has two or three symbols |
| 16:26.35 | kergoth | yeah. never use any of it anyway |
| 16:26.59 | pb_ | really? must be some US thing. Most of the keys on my keyboard only have one symbol. Only the number and punctuation keys have two, and only the euro and grave keys have three. |
| 16:27.20 | tux_mike | you can still get normal keyboards |
| 16:27.32 | tux_mike | pb_: no, it's more of a stupid keyboard mfgr thing |
| 16:27.38 | pb_ | ah. |
| 16:27.41 | treke | yeah, but it's hard to find a normal wireless keyboard these days |
| 16:27.43 | tux_mike | lets put buttons on for everyting!!! |
| 16:27.56 | pb_ | oh right, wireless. yeah, they do tend to be loaded to the gunwales with weird things. |
| 16:28.03 | pb_ | dunno why that is. |
| 16:28.12 | kergoth | we need a happy hacker BT keyboard |
| 16:28.14 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:28.20 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 16:28.27 | tux_mike | kergoth: i got sick of forgetting to throw a text browser on zelda today, so i compiled links and threw it into /usr/local :) |
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| 16:28.36 | kergoth | tux_mike: links = spiffy |
| 16:28.40 | pb_ | kergoth: I was thinking about making some USB->bluetooth keyboard adapters for that kind of thing. |
| 16:28.47 | tux_mike | i want a sun 6 usb keyboard for my machine |
| 16:28.52 | kergoth | pb_: thatd be pretty cool |
| 16:29.07 | tux_mike | kergoth: one of these days i'm also gonna recompile openssh |
| 16:29.14 | pb_ | bluetooth keyboards use the same HID protocol as usb, as it turns out. |
| 16:29.21 | treke | nifty |
| 16:29.23 | kergoth | oh really? nice |
| 16:29.55 | kergoth | speaking of BT, is there an equivalent to hotplug, to have events occur when it picks up a certain type of nearby device? |
| 16:30.06 | pb_ | not really, no. |
| 16:30.16 | tux_mike | someone should fix that |
| 16:30.22 | treke | kergoth should |
| 16:30.22 | pb_ | bluetooth only picks up devices when you put it explicitly into scan mode, it isn't continuously looking for them. |
| 16:30.37 | kergoth | well yeah, but when you do a scan |
| 16:30.44 | kergoth | be able to bind events based on what is fuond |
| 16:30.45 | pb_ | (scan mode is incompatible with normal operation, so you can't do that if you have connections open) |
| 16:30.45 | kergoth | found rather |
| 16:30.57 | pb_ | oh right, yeah. could do that. |
| 16:31.05 | tux_mike | hrm... it's cheap cheeseburger day at mcd's |
| 16:31.30 | treke | may be cheap but it will still suck |
| 16:31.39 | kergoth | so set down the keyboard, kill the existing connections, scan, and ta da, everything is up & running |
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| 16:31.51 | kergoth | treke: hah, like i need something else on the todo |
| 16:32.02 | pb_ | kergoth: it's really an issue for the frontends to deal with, since that is where scanning gets controlled from. I'll have a go at putting that into gpe-bluetooth. |
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| 16:33.43 | pb_ | You probably want the events to actually be for "a previously-paired unit has reappeared", rather than discovery of some random bluetooth device. |
| 16:34.09 | kergoth | pb_: thats true. maybe prompt on discovery of an unknown device, to ask what to do with it? |
| 16:34.23 | pb_ | If you run a scan while you're sitting on the train, you will pick up countless cellphones for other people in the carriage, and those devices would be of no interest. |
| 16:34.37 | kergoth | hehe, point taken |
| 16:34.39 | treke | or would they |
| 16:34.44 | pb_ | heh |
| 16:34.51 | Harlekin | pb_: these are not paired |
| 16:34.57 | pb_ | Harlekin: right, that's what I was saying. |
| 16:34.59 | kergoth | Harlekin: thats what he's saying |
| 16:35.01 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:35.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:35.09 | pb_ | try and keep up at the back there. |
| 16:35.20 | Harlekin | pairing is a gui think, connection a deamon |
| 16:38.03 | kergoth | pb_: do you happen to know how to dump the stack to get a backtrace in the linux kernel for arm? |
| 16:38.12 | kergoth | pb_: it appears that arm didnt implement dump_stack() |
| 16:38.13 | kergoth | :\ |
| 16:38.34 | pb_ | kergoth: c_backtrace() or some such. |
| 16:38.59 | pb_ | only works with frame pointers on, though. someone should write a dwarf2-based backtracer. |
| 16:39.23 | kergoth | there's dump_backtrace, but requires a pt_regs struct |
| 16:39.28 | kergoth | where does that struct come from anyway? |
| 16:39.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:41.00 | pb_ | oh, right. it only wants it to get the fp out. |
| 16:41.13 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:41.27 | pb_ | use c_backtrace(__builtin_frame_pointer(), 0x13) or something. |
| 16:42.06 | pb_ | if __builtin_frame_pointer wants an argument, use 0 |
| 16:43.07 | pb_ | or the dirty method is to use BUG(), which forces a null dereference in order to get an oops and backtrace :-} |
| 16:43.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:43.38 | kergoth | i was gonna do that |
| 16:43.42 | kergoth | was hoping for a cleaner way though :) |
| 16:44.23 | kergoth | thanks, ill try that |
| 16:48.56 | kergoth | it helps if i end statements with semicolons |
| 16:49.01 | kergoth | I've been spending too much time codign python |
| 16:49.05 | pb_ | heh |
| 16:49.13 | kergoth | i keep doing "this that %s" % __FUNCTION__ in c code |
| 16:49.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:49.27 | pb_ | doh, right |
| 16:49.47 | yeiazel | that's a good thing |
| 16:49.49 | yeiazel | use python |
| 16:49.50 | yeiazel | :p |
| 16:50.22 | kergoth | use python for kernel modules? |
| 16:50.24 | kergoth | you sick bastard. |
| 16:50.31 | yeiazel | sure :) |
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| 16:55.20 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:55.21 | kergoth | rivers/video/video.o(.text+0x7354): In function `sa1100fb_disable_controller': |
| 16:55.24 | kergoth | /home/kergoth/coding/projects/kernel/bk/2.4.21/collie-2.4/drivers/video/sa1100fb.c:1976: undefined reference to `__builtin_frame_pointer' |
| 16:55.28 | kergoth | make[2]: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 |
| 16:56.46 | pb_ | oh, hm, suck |
| 16:57.02 | pb_ | __builtin_frame_address, sorry |
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| 17:06.19 | Namapoos | hello |
| 17:06.27 | Namapoos | is aonyoen here developing in mandrake? |
| 17:06.47 | kergoth | i'm sure some are |
| 17:06.51 | kergoth | why? |
| 17:09.20 | Namapoos | i can't figure out this strange error i am getting while compiling a static busy box |
| 17:09.44 | Namapoos | i get a /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc |
| 17:09.52 | TheMasterMind1 | morning |
| 17:09.53 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sup |
| 17:09.59 | Namapoos | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 17:10.03 | kergoth | Namapoos: eh, you're building a native busybox, not cross? |
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| 17:10.42 | Namapoos | yeah |
| 17:10.58 | kergoth | well obviously somethings messed in your dev environment if it cant find libc |
| 17:11.01 | kergoth | doees /usr/lib/libc.so exist? |
| 17:11.13 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: why don't you grep function names until you end up with the function that eventually calls disable |
| 17:11.18 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll try that |
| 17:11.46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe, i got distracted by trying to find a way to dump a backtrace without making the kernel intentionally crash :) |
| 17:11.58 | Namapoos | kergoth, yeah i have it |
| 17:12.14 | pb_ | what's the commandline in use for your final link? |
| 17:12.20 | kergoth | ah good call |
| 17:14.27 | Namapoos | kergoth, should that libc.so have any particular attribs? |
| 17:14.33 | Namapoos | err a specific chmod |
| 17:19.07 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: is it possible to make the backlight turn on earlier during the boot process |
| 17:19.59 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.09 | pb_ | see include/linux/tqueue.h |
| 17:28.58 | Twiun | ibot: last ||ugh |
| 17:28.59 | | Twiun: are you using Windows? |
| 17:29.07 | kergoth | ibot: seen ||ugh |
| 17:29.07 | | ||ugh <~hugh@road.toad.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 28d 18h 43m 42s ago, saying: 'ibot: oe'. |
| 17:29.13 | Twiun | thanks |
| 17:29.14 | kergoth | np |
| 17:29.18 | Twiun | grrr |
| 17:29.21 | Twiun | damn vpns |
| 17:29.58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: well, i didnt get a very long backtrace, but i know something is calling set_ctrlr_state with reenable or disable on bootup that results in the disable. sprinkling printk()s liberally |
| 17:30.21 | kergoth | hey tronical |
| 17:30.24 | kergoth | hows it going? |
| 17:30.24 | tronical | hey |
| 17:30.29 | tronical | vacation ;) |
| 17:30.34 | Twiun | lucky you :) |
| 17:30.40 | kergoth | nice |
| 17:30.40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: same |
| 17:30.50 | kergoth | printk rocks |
| 17:30.54 | TheMasterMind1 | whats DPRINTK ? |
| 17:30.57 | kergoth | we should throw kgdb into the oz-2.4 tree |
| 17:31.04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: probably a printk that only occurs if DEBUG is defined |
| 17:31.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: though kernel.h already has a macro for that. pr_debug() |
| 17:31.25 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
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| 17:32.41 | Twiun | tronical: going anywhere nice or staying and coding? |
| 17:33.11 | tronical | Twiun: visiting a friend atm and hopefully doing some coding soon :) |
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| 17:37.27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hrmm, seems like this code sets up the lcd power and turns on the backlight all at the same time - so how come theres a long period of time where lcd is on but no backlight |
| 17:37.52 | pb_ | backlight on at zero brightness? do you have a PWM for that on the Z? |
| 17:38.08 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, i guess its a brightness thing |
| 17:38.11 | heatxsink|afk | pb_: set it to off |
| 17:38.13 | TheMasterMind1 | wonder what controls that |
| 17:38.15 | pb_ | on ipaq at least you have to control the pwm and the power separately. |
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| 17:38.34 | pb_ | pardon? |
| 17:38.42 | kergoth | pb_: they're seperate, but the backlight layer's init code sets them all to sane defaults |
| 17:38.59 | pb_ | ah, okay. |
| 17:39.05 | kergoth | i'm betting there isnt a hook into the backlight init function in the fb code where it sets up the fb |
| 17:39.23 | kergoth | either that, or its due to the fact that backlight schedules a task, it doesnt do ehte setup immediately |
| 17:39.31 | kergoth | maybe its taking a while to get that task executed |
| 17:40.47 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ah, its because the backlight functions in sa1100fb.c have no code in them for collie. collie has its own frontlight driver which gets inited later on in bootup |
| 17:41.37 | kergoth | huh? |
| 17:41.46 | kergoth | those backlight functions are irrelevent |
| 17:42.02 | kergoth | fbcon hooks the sa1100 fb, then calls the backlight layer init function |
| 17:42.06 | kergoth | they should happen side by side |
| 17:42.08 | kergoth | iirc |
| 17:49.02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: aha |
| 17:49.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: found it :) |
| 17:49.18 | TheMasterMind1 | found what |
| 17:49.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: found why its getting turned off and back on again during boot |
| 17:49.45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and know how to fix it |
| 17:49.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm on it |
| 17:49.56 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 17:50.27 | TheMasterMind1 | something with fb_task called with reenable |
| 17:50.52 | kergoth | its supposed to |
| 17:50.56 | kergoth | here, i'll get you the info |
| 17:51.08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-arm-kernel&m=104497184025544&w=2 |
| 17:51.56 | kergoth | hey, i'm going to email MARC |
| 17:52.03 | kergoth | lets get the OZ and OE lists archived by them |
| 17:52.09 | kergoth | since SF's interface blows |
| 17:52.18 | nightfire | mornin everyone |
| 17:53.54 | kergoth | hey nightfire |
| 17:55.57 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, thats weird. fron what i can tell, the first C_ENABLE goes fine, but when theres a C_REENABLE, it disables the screen, then turns it back on, and takes a while turning it back on (in the preempt kernel anyway) |
| 17:56.16 | kergoth | yes, thats expected |
| 17:56.32 | kergoth | the problem is that we have our lcd power bits in with the lcd controller enable/disable |
| 17:56.42 | kergoth | REENABLE doesnt cut power, only disables and reenables the controller |
| 17:56.47 | kergoth | which is why ours behaves oddly compared to most |
| 17:56.56 | kergoth | now to figure out which of the locomo bits is the lcd power |
| 17:56.58 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 17:57.00 | TheMasterMind1 | gotcha |
| 17:57.02 | TheMasterMind1 | makes sense |
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| 17:58.53 | apache444 | treke: could you please give me the address to download the H3600 package of OE? Have you updated it in the past month? |
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| 17:59.35 | tux_mike | kergoth: ping |
| 17:59.41 | Harlekin | treke: ah, are you going do to the oe/ipaq 36xx image tomorrow? |
| 17:59.45 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: so we take the power bits and move into power_{up,down}_lcd and we're all set |
| 17:59.46 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 18:00.30 | TheMasterMind1 | i get a blank Information dialog box everytime i boot up opie |
| 18:00.33 | TheMasterMind1 | any idea why/ |
| 18:00.55 | nightfire | is the ext2 initrd known to work? |
| 18:03.20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep. i think i've got it. testing now |
| 18:03.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: that dialog is the 'your time is wrong' box |
| 18:03.34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dunno whats up with its size |
| 18:05.23 | TheMasterMind1 | yea well it showed up fine on first boot |
| 18:05.28 | TheMasterMind1 | but now it doesn't have stuff in it |
| 18:05.32 | TheMasterMind1 | or sized weird |
| 18:05.33 | kergoth | yep, its almost random |
| 18:05.36 | kergoth | the sizing |
| 18:06.12 | Namapoos | hmmm... |
| 18:06.30 | Namapoos | an answer for my simple question please |
| 18:06.38 | Namapoos | is it possible to tar the / (root) directory of a system recursively, while excluding the mounted drives? |
| 18:07.01 | kergoth | damnit, how do i get firebird to print to kprinter |
| 18:07.02 | kergoth | Namapoos: man tar |
| 18:07.09 | kergoth | Namapoos: it has a 'stay on this filesystem' option |
| 18:07.17 | Namapoos | i did, and it didn't tell me much |
| 18:07.18 | Namapoos | ok |
| 18:07.27 | Namapoos | ack |
| 18:07.33 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.33 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.35 | Namapoos | this system has no man |
| 18:07.35 | kergoth | seems pretty clear to me |
| 18:07.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:07.40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: right now qte-tslib takes 10 samples from ts and averages them |
| 18:07.42 | Namapoos | thank you |
| 18:07.43 | kergoth | google is yoru friend |
| 18:07.43 | Namapoos | :S |
| 18:07.52 | Namapoos | linux.google? |
| 18:07.57 | Namapoos | or just plain ol google |
| 18:07.58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ah, thats unnecessary since tslib can do averaging/dejitter on its own.. |
| 18:08.01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: eh? |
| 18:08.07 | kergoth | hmm |
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| 18:08.14 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 18:08.17 | TheMasterMind1 | it does more than that too |
| 18:08.22 | TheMasterMind1 | distance formula and shit |
| 18:08.30 | absentia | re |
| 18:08.31 | TheMasterMind1 | based on MOVE_LIMIT |
| 18:08.33 | TheMasterMind1 | which is 50 |
| 18:08.41 | nightfire | kergoth: after the OZ boots, does it mount / from a different segment in nand, or do you work under the initrd? |
| 18:08.45 | TheMasterMind1 | and uses JITTER_LIMIT |
| 18:08.47 | TheMasterMind1 | which is 2 |
| 18:08.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thats all overkill, tslib can do all of that |
| 18:09.00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we need to clean this up |
| 18:09.14 | kergoth | notice the old qte-tslib2.patch |
| 18:09.17 | kergoth | thats my minimal version |
| 18:09.23 | kergoth | but it requires *heavy* tslib alterations |
| 18:09.27 | kergoth | stuff I never got pushed upstream |
| 18:09.36 | kergoth | I'll look into it again today sometime |
| 18:09.55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmk |
| 18:10.08 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm just gonna comment out big chunks of code |
| 18:10.19 | kergoth | bk revtool rocks |
| 18:10.27 | TheMasterMind1 | or just set all these limit vars to 1 |
| 18:10.30 | kergoth | i love how you can see all the lines of development and branch/merge points |
| 18:12.12 | Namapoos | kergoth, how is your job? |
| 18:12.23 | kergoth | crap, ran out of disk space again |
| 18:12.26 | kergoth | Namapoos: pretty good, i like it |
| 18:12.39 | Namapoos | nice, you got over that rough streak you had during the summer |
| 18:12.43 | Namapoos | the burnout phase |
| 18:13.25 | kergoth | yeah, between the tech support and hours and hours of OZ work, i was fucked up |
| 18:13.38 | kergoth | coming here, then having like a 2 month break from my projects (no net at home) was nice |
| 18:14.16 | kergoth | god the 2.4 kernel's buildsystem sucks |
| 18:14.23 | nightfire | haha |
| 18:14.59 | Namapoos | how is kernel 2.6 |
| 18:15.00 | Namapoos | ? |
| 18:15.05 | kergoth | very nice. |
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| 18:15.12 | Namapoos | isn't that the one that linus left transmeta for? |
| 18:15.18 | kergoth | hey chouimat. |
| 18:16.18 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 18:16.46 | TheMasterMind1 | recompiling qte.. |
| 18:16.53 | nightfire | so like, how does the kernel know where to load initrd from? |
| 18:17.07 | absentia | burnout sucks |
| 18:17.22 | TheMasterMind1 | nightfire: what initrd? theres no initrd |
| 18:17.29 | nightfire | from the output directory |
| 18:17.37 | TheMasterMind1 | thats not really an initrd |
| 18:17.39 | TheMasterMind1 | its a rootfs image |
| 18:17.45 | TheMasterMind1 | when you flash, it stores that onto the flash in the device |
| 18:17.49 | nightfire | and it gets written to mtdblock2? |
| 18:17.52 | TheMasterMind1 | the kernel reads the flash and boots that |
| 18:17.52 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 18:17.52 | nightfire | by updater.sh |
| 18:17.56 | nightfire | hmm |
| 18:18.02 | TheMasterMind1 | indeed |
| 18:18.38 | nightfire | should the ext2 image work, if i set rootfstype=ext2? |
| 18:18.59 | nightfire | i must have the wrong offset |
| 18:19.06 | TheMasterMind1 | why do you want an ext2 rootfs? |
| 18:19.12 | TheMasterMind1 | jffs2 is much better for flash media |
| 18:19.19 | TheMasterMind1 | mtd stuff |
| 18:19.20 | nightfire | well, i was getting a bunch of jffs2 errors, so i just tried it :) |
| 18:19.33 | nightfire | i guess the root start offset is wrong for the 760 |
| 18:19.37 | nightfire | different from the 750 |
| 18:19.45 | kergoth | nightfire: no, it isnt. |
| 18:19.52 | kergoth | nightfire: talk to sashz. |
| 18:19.52 | nightfire | 7168? |
| 18:20.00 | nightfire | hmm.. what's his nick? |
| 18:20.04 | kergoth | sashz. |
| 18:20.08 | nightfire | i see. :) |
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| 18:23.36 | kyngel | Does anyone have a moment to help me with a make error in OZ? |
| 18:23.59 | TheMasterMind1 | don't ask to ask |
| 18:24.08 | kyngel | [kyngel@acropora buildroot-oz]$ make |
| 18:24.08 | kyngel | Generating dependency information... |
| 18:24.08 | kyngel | panic: end_shift at /home/kyngel/bitkeeper/buildroot-oz/scripts/deps.pl line 22, <FILE> line 15. |
| 18:24.41 | kergoth | old perl version? |
| 18:24.47 | kyngel | 5.8.0 |
| 18:24.48 | kergoth | havent heard of that one |
| 18:24.54 | kergoth | i'm using 5.8 as well with no probs |
| 18:24.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:25.23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i really wish the LCD section of locomo docs was english |
| 18:25.34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: this is the one downside to hacking japanese products |
| 18:26.55 | kergoth | I need a scope. |
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| 18:27.17 | kergoth | pb_: wb |
| 18:27.56 | pb_ | re |
| 18:28.02 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm, maybe its the delay in ts thats making it weirdlike |
| 18:28.21 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 18:28.31 | kergoth | boy, hacking on the lcd driver can result in some weird shit |
| 18:28.49 | TheMasterMind1 | what'd you do? |
| 18:28.56 | kergoth | i tried moving the power bits out |
| 18:28.58 | kergoth | not good |
| 18:29.05 | kergoth | the order and timing is very bitchy |
| 18:29.09 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit |
| 18:29.12 | kergoth | grr. |
| 18:29.17 | ljp | is it bad luck to break a glass shotglass? |
| 18:31.51 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 18:32.07 | treke | guh. |
| 18:32.14 | treke | I finally got this modem driver to compile |
| 18:32.19 | treke | but the fricken module wont load |
| 18:33.34 | apache444 | treke: could I please have the URL of that feed for h3600 that you have up? Have you updated it in the last month or so? |
| 18:33.44 | treke | ibot oz-ipaq |
| 18:33.45 | | well, oz-ipaq is http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/h3600 |
| 18:34.07 | apache444 | Awesome - thanks! |
| 18:35.02 | apache444 | treke: Does that new package have working drivers for Linksys WCF12 by any chance? :) |
| 18:35.10 | treke | no |
| 18:35.24 | apache444 | treke: ok thank you |
| 18:37.50 | absentia | I couldn't get my wcf12 to work |
| 18:37.55 | absentia | someone said they got their working |
| 18:38.03 | absentia | someone else said there might be too internal codes for that model, etc. |
| 18:38.04 | apache444 | absentia: really? on ipaq or zaurus? |
| 18:38.09 | absentia | zaurus |
| 18:38.09 | absentia | oz |
| 18:38.15 | absentia | I bought a dlink 660w |
| 18:38.18 | absentia | as well |
| 18:38.33 | apache444 | absentia: I can't even get it to detect the card, but that's another story altogether... |
| 18:38.41 | treke | the 660w and the wcf12 are essentially the same thing as far as I know |
| 18:39.04 | nightfire | there's no way to edit the kernel parameters directly from the zaurus eh? |
| 18:39.06 | treke | apache444: The current and past images detect the wcf12 fine |
| 18:39.22 | treke | they dont work though |
| 18:46.04 | apache444 | treke: yeah, I know they're supposed to, I'm having another problem, something like "Device or resource in use". I'm going to install the new image now and see if that helps. |
| 18:47.15 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: any luck with lcd power? |
| 18:47.26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not yet, about to flash another attempt |
| 18:49.33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: woooot |
| 18:49.38 | treke | hmmmm |
| 18:49.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it may need tweaking.. we need to confirm a VT switch works |
| 18:49.44 | treke | bootldr is hating me again |
| 18:49.45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but beyond that, it works |
| 18:49.50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no more off/on on boot |
| 18:49.58 | pb_ | treke: hah. what form does this hatred take? |
| 18:50.29 | nightfire | jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x(...): 0x(...) instead |
| 18:50.32 | nightfire | any suggestions? |
| 18:50.39 | pb_ | what kernel are you using? |
| 18:50.49 | nightfire | the one from the buildroot |
| 18:50.52 | nightfire | updated yesterday |
| 18:50.57 | treke | nightfire: That doesnt help us |
| 18:51.05 | treke | nightfire: There are quite a few kernels in buildroot |
| 18:51.09 | nightfire | 2.4.18 |
| 18:51.11 | nightfire | oh |
| 18:51.13 | nightfire | er, shepherd |
| 18:51.16 | nightfire | with the husky config |
| 18:51.30 | pb_ | and what version of gcc? |
| 18:51.36 | nightfire | 2.95.3 |
| 18:51.52 | treke | pb_: It did it once before, the reflash utility seems to think my jffs2 is corrupt, even though the md5sums match |
| 18:51.59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: awesome!! |
| 18:52.03 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: push it, i want it! |
| 18:52.07 | kergoth | could be the flash in the c760 has a different erase block size |
| 18:52.13 | kergoth | could check the source to confirm |
| 18:52.21 | nightfire | ok, i'll check |
| 18:52.25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: done |
| 18:52.29 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm, pcmcia is being weird. i updated the modules in my initrd but now it hangs when i put my cf in |
| 18:52.33 | TheMasterMind1 | it detects hda though |
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| 18:53.25 | kergoth | right now both pcmcia and ide are modular |
| 18:53.39 | kergoth | i really prefer modularity, but whats annoying is that the kernel is on a seperate partition |
| 18:53.48 | kergoth | so anything thats modular is wasting free space on that partition |
| 18:53.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:54.08 | mewyn | kergoth: you connected to multiple irc servers? |
| 18:54.13 | kergoth | mewyn: yep |
| 18:54.16 | mewyn | ok |
| 18:54.22 | mewyn | that's where those came from |
| 18:54.23 | mewyn | :) |
| 18:54.45 | treke | ~bootldr |
| 18:54.45 | | bootldr is, like, recommended bootldr for Familiar 0.7 is 2.20.4 (or 2.18.54 for h3100 only). see http://www.handhelds.org/feeds/bootldr or http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/bootldr.html |
| 18:56.39 | pb_ | treke: hm, weird. any debugging output on the serial line when that happens? |
| 18:57.04 | treke | Good question. I'll try again in a second |
| 18:58.22 | kyngel | Ah-ha. Found the problem (kind of) with the deps.pl file. |
| 18:59.22 | treke | pb_: Nothing that looks useful. Just some find_file_in_dir output |
| 18:59.27 | kyngel | RedHat 9's perl 5.8.0 crashes on certain pattern matches. |
| 18:59.47 | pb_ | treke: oh, darn. It did have some debugging around the md5sum check at one point, but I guess I took it out. |
| 19:00.37 | pb_ | treke: what's the exact error you get on the screen? |
| 19:01.03 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: nice, bootup is perfect now |
| 19:01.43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: does battery switch behave? |
| 19:01.49 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 19:01.59 | treke | "Image file is corrupt" |
| 19:02.17 | pb_ | do you get any "have md5sum for ..." messages on serial? |
| 19:02.24 | treke | yes |
| 19:02.35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nice |
| 19:02.37 | kergoth | brb, meeting |
| 19:03.04 | pb_ | including the image that you're trying to flash, presumably? can you show me what that line in the md5sums file looks like? |
| 19:03.15 | treke | sure |
| 19:03.27 | treke | 262de7e1a7e3e4bc8f7e78ed5b49bc94 initrd.bin |
| 19:03.39 | treke | That is from the md5sums file |
| 19:03.45 | treke | 262de7e1a7e3e4bc8f7e78ed5b49bc94 initrd.bin |
| 19:03.57 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.00 | pb_ | ok. how big is the file? |
| 19:04.18 | treke | 13944k |
| 19:04.26 | pb_ | what's the exact number of bytes? |
| 19:04.36 | treke | 14278264 |
| 19:05.59 | pb_ | well, that all looks like it should be ok. |
| 19:06.10 | nightfire | kergoth: according to the sharp root fs build kit, the erase size is 16k |
| 19:06.13 | nightfire | so i'll give it a shot |
| 19:06.16 | pb_ | any idea what makes this happen? is it just that one file, or random? |
| 19:06.39 | treke | This is the second time it has happened to me. |
| 19:07.18 | treke | Each time it was with a different file, but I think it was with .4 each time |
| 19:09.18 | nightfire | damn. no dice. |
| 19:09.30 | apache444 | treke: just installed the newest image. Is it just me or is there a log more debugging info with this one by default? |
| 19:10.05 | treke | I think it's just you. I dont notice anything different |
| 19:10.29 | apache444 | treke: ok :) |
| 19:13.11 | absentia | x Python-2.3/Mac/OSXResources/app/Resources/English.lproj/Documentation/ide/IDE.gif, 10249 bytes, 21 tape blocks |
| 19:13.11 | absentia | tar: directory checksum error |
| 19:13.35 | absentia | Is this tar file corrupt for anyone else --> http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.3/Python-2.3.tgz |
| 19:13.37 | nightfire | is this on sun? |
| 19:13.45 | absentia | yup |
| 19:13.50 | nightfire | use GNU tar |
| 19:13.52 | nightfire | sun's tar is broken |
| 19:13.54 | nightfire | i shit you not |
| 19:14.05 | nightfire | it produces tar's that it (itself) can't unpack correctly. |
| 19:14.36 | absentia | hahah |
| 19:14.41 | apache444 | treke: When I put either my WCF12 or noda's SMC2462 into my CF slot I get "Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000032" |
| 19:14.42 | absentia | ok, off to find gnutar. |
| 19:14.55 | treke | apache444: Weird. |
| 19:14.58 | nightfire | absentia: sunfreeware.risq.qc.ca/sparc/8 has ia package :) |
| 19:15.02 | nightfire | (ftp) |
| 19:15.11 | apache444 | treke: It works fine for you huh? |
| 19:15.14 | treke | apache444: I'll have to flash that onto a device and see |
| 19:15.25 | treke | apache444: No. WCF12s will not work on the ipaq using openembedded |
| 19:15.30 | apache444 | treke: Oh you've never tried the new image? Maybe it's not me this time. :) |
| 19:15.37 | treke | apache444: I've tried it. |
| 19:15.43 | treke | apache444: I havent used it for a while. |
| 19:16.21 | treke | I have an older image on my ipaq :) |
| 19:16.27 | apache444 | treke: Oh, gotcha. Well, I could give you a dump of what dmesg says because it's very long. It does a full dump of all kinds of stuff and cardmgr crashes. |
| 19:17.00 | apache444 | treke: OK no prob. |
| 19:17.41 | absentia | usr/bin/msgfmt -o ko.mo ko.po |
| 19:17.41 | absentia | ERROR: Line 1641 (ko.po): Invalid character found. |
| 19:17.41 | absentia | *** Error code 2 |
| 19:17.41 | absentia | make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `ko.mo' |
| 19:17.41 | absentia | Current working directory /disks/disk1/home/scott/tar-1.13/po |
| 19:17.42 | absentia | ha |
| 19:17.44 | absentia | gnutar didn't make |
| 19:18.44 | absentia | gcc 2.95.3, I'll try 3.2.3 |
| 19:19.06 | absentia | gcc 2.95.3 under sol9 ... |
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| 19:21.36 | absentia | ok, much happier under sol8, gcc 3.2.3. |
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| 19:22.45 | absentia | yup, gnutar did it |
| 19:22.54 | absentia | fv<k'n sun.... |
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| 19:30.01 | nightfire | yeah, it's pretty sad |
| 19:30.10 | nightfire | you'd think after 15 years they could fix an issue like that |
| 19:30.18 | nightfire | but i guess it has something to do with backwards compatibility with older archives |
| 19:32.33 | absentia | that's no excuse. |
| 19:32.55 | absentia | why can't the code work with both types of archives? |
| 19:33.16 | absentia | and/or, why can't it just.. instead... say "old[er] tar format detected, perhaps try /usr/oldbin/tar" etc. |
| 19:33.30 | nightfire | man, i gave up trying to figure it out a while ago |
| 19:33.31 | absentia | instead, it gives a cryptic error with no hint as to what's wrong. |
| 19:33.45 | nightfire | most of my boxes are gnu-erized when i set them up |
| 19:33.52 | absentia | ya, I do too |
| 19:33.58 | nightfire | gnu tar is excellent |
| 19:34.00 | absentia | but i've found a few things that die with gtar ... and gmake |
| 19:34.06 | absentia | well, gnutar use to not be |
| 19:34.07 | nightfire | yeah |
| 19:34.08 | nightfire | it's true |
| 19:34.10 | absentia | I used it for backups... back in '94 |
| 19:34.27 | absentia | when 1.11? or something was out... it was causing errors all the time.. making archives it couldn't untar, etc. |
| 19:34.36 | nightfire | i'm surprised sun didn't switch to gtar out-of-the-box |
| 19:34.46 | absentia | it seems to be much better now |
| 19:34.50 | absentia | most linux/gnu things do. |
| 19:34.56 | nightfire | mhmm |
| 19:34.57 | absentia | but the stuff on the fringe is scary. |
| 19:35.05 | nightfire | like OZ. |
| 19:35.07 | nightfire | :P |
| 19:35.48 | absentia | oz is a good idea... just needs more people who can help (*ahem* ... hehe) ... to keep things moving. |
| 19:35.59 | absentia | looking around trying to find ircds... it'sl ike a graveyard of projects. |
| 19:36.04 | nightfire | wish i was a more capable developer :/ |
| 19:36.23 | absentia | however, even OZ is past that point... where it wouldn't be useful. just the buildroot alone would be enough for anyone else to pick it up. |
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| 19:36.38 | absentia | I use to have more time... coding 18 hours a day. |
| 19:36.57 | ljp | buildroot is becoming obsoleted by openembedded |
| 19:37.02 | absentia | I'd do about 800 lines of code or so a night... but I can feel my brain dying here in nyc. |
| 19:37.11 | nightfire | heh |
| 19:37.21 | absentia | people use their brain only enough not to get run over by a cab, and even then some aren't so lucky. |
| 19:37.39 | nightfire | ok, so does the bad magic bitmask for jffs2 mean the filesystem is corrupt in the rom? |
| 19:37.39 | absentia | hopefully, i"ll be set free soon enough. |
| 19:37.46 | nightfire | as in it wasn't flashed properly? |
| 19:38.19 | absentia | heheh, my sharp rom crashes now.. whenever I pull up the keyboard applet (?) in portrait mode. |
| 19:38.28 | absentia | whole machine reboots. |
| 19:38.33 | nightfire | nice |
| 19:38.47 | pb_ | nightfire: if that's happening immediately after flashing, most likely explanation is that the whole partition was not erased first. |
| 19:39.05 | nightfire | hmm |
| 19:39.11 | pb_ | you could check the block addresses it mentions, and see if they are beyond the end of the image. |
| 19:39.20 | nightfire | oh, it definately is |
| 19:39.24 | nightfire | should i pad the end of it? |
| 19:39.58 | Twiun | iirc oz pads the image, so I'd say yes |
| 19:39.59 | pb_ | if your firmware isn't bright enough to clear the whole region, yeah, you will probably have to pad the image to make it occupy the fully size. |
| 19:40.06 | pb_ | s/fully/full/ |
| 19:40.16 | nightfire | ok, i'll give that a shot. |
| 19:40.26 | pb_ | otherwise you will have old garbage lying around in the non-erased regions. |
| 19:40.49 | nightfire | hmm |
| 19:40.59 | pb_ | it's not especially bad if these sectors contain total junk, since jffs2 will just print that message and ignore them. but if you have any that look like valid jffs2 blocks, you will be in trouble. |
| 19:41.04 | nightfire | does jffs2 dynamically grow to fill to the end of the device? |
| 19:41.57 | Twiun | hrmm... /cipe/ioctl.c:36: warning: implicit declaration of function `strcpy' |
| 19:42.04 | Twiun | hat doesn't look healthy |
| 19:42.11 | Twiun | s/hat/that/ |
| 19:43.43 | Twiun | what's the general feeling for a kernel module compiling with that kind of error? |
| 19:44.29 | absentia | ok, gcc 3.3 gets same error as 2.95.3 (whew) under sol9... so, gnutar 1.13 isn't sol9 compatible.... or such. |
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| 19:44.48 | nightfire | absentia: just use the sun packages |
| 19:44.54 | Twiun | hey Tim |
| 19:45.25 | absentia | yup. I like to try to compile things first... it gives me a feel for my system... plus, there's not always a package for things... plus, when you use the package for some things, you get hard coded paths. |
| 19:45.29 | absentia | etc. |
| 19:45.31 | nightfire | i can't believe how fast the arm compiler is |
| 19:45.35 | Twiun | hmmm, from the CIPE docs: "A simple make command compiles everything. Compiler warnings should not occur." |
| 19:45.49 | nightfire | absentia: all true, but the sun packages are pretty good :) |
| 19:46.07 | nightfire | absentia: do a search for the sun patches to tar |
| 19:46.24 | absentia | when you say sun packags... you mean sunfreeware.com ? |
| 19:46.24 | nightfire | i found a site a while back with a bunch of their sunfreeware patches |
| 19:46.27 | nightfire | yep |
| 19:46.32 | absentia | ya, that's a great site. |
| 19:46.42 | nightfire | i just use the ftp sites :) |
| 19:46.52 | nightfire | i get almost a meg/second from sunfreeware.risq.qc.ca |
| 19:46.56 | nightfire | (yes, byte) |
| 19:47.38 | absentia | schilling [5522]> du -s -k /src/.; ls -Rl /src/. | wc -l |
| 19:47.38 | absentia | 7942842 /src/. |
| 19:47.38 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.51 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.51 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.56 | absentia | almost 200 sun packages. :-> |
| 19:48.45 | nightfire | heh. |
| 19:49.01 | nightfire | it's truly mind boggling how much OSS code there is available |
| 19:49.06 | absentia | yup |
| 19:49.31 | Twiun | kergoth: I completely agree |
| 19:49.47 | kergoth | Twiun: todo list just nearly doubled in size for work |
| 19:49.52 | kergoth | :( |
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| 19:50.03 | nightfire | kergoth: where are you working? |
| 19:50.11 | kergoth | TI |
| 19:50.19 | absentia | what things do you have to ? |
| 19:50.22 | absentia | to do ? |
| 19:50.26 | nightfire | on embedded stuff i guess? :) |
| 19:50.33 | ljp | drink congnac all day |
| 19:50.34 | absentia | I still have my todo lists from 88/89 .. :-) |
| 19:50.53 | nightfire | courvosier XO. |
| 19:50.56 | Twiun | kergoth: yikes - got promoted, or was another team made redundant when they realised you could so much more work during the night? |
| 19:51.46 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:51.50 | kergoth | Twiun: hah |
| 19:52.09 | Twiun | kergoth: don't think I didn't notice you were still here at 8am my time :) |
| 19:52.22 | nightfire | is there a way to safely clear the nand? |
| 19:52.32 | nightfire | without losing the flash program? |
| 19:52.42 | kergoth | uh, the c700 updater.sh does an eraseall before flashing |
| 19:52.46 | kergoth | s/c700/c7x0/ |
| 19:52.51 | nightfire | hm |
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| 19:54.27 | nightfire | ok, trying with a padded image |
| 19:55.50 | kergoth | you dont need to pad, it does an eraseall before flashing |
| 19:56.01 | nightfire | well |
| 19:56.06 | nightfire | i'm out of ideas then |
| 19:56.15 | kergoth | ibot: seen sashz |
| 19:56.17 | | sashz <1000@212.192.118.15> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 3d 2h 45m 46s ago, saying: 'have ups ;)'. |
| 19:56.17 | nightfire | what could cause these errors? |
| 19:56.18 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: imma fix pcmcia then work on odevice. with wifi i can copy over libopie and dont' have to reflash all the time |
| 19:56.23 | nightfire | hmm |
| 19:56.36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: whats your pcmcia doing? |
| 19:57.20 | TheMasterMind1 | hangs the Z with cf card. and i have no modules for wifi so i can't test that yet |
| 19:57.32 | kergoth | odd, my cf works |
| 19:57.37 | kergoth | the ide cf card anyway |
| 19:57.54 | TheMasterMind1 | prolly something with my build |
| 19:57.59 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm using old modules |
| 20:00.09 | nightfire | interestingly, after it finishes dumping out a few thousand jffs2_scan_eraseblock errors, it mounts the filesystem successfully, but it a corrupt state... as soon as it tries to read any files, vfs errors |
| 20:00.37 | nightfire | but the fs *does* seem ok on my host |
| 20:05.27 | nightfire | also, while flashing the root image, the .'s stop at around 70%, and it reboots... that normal? :) |
| 20:07.21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, do a buildroot build of 2.4.21 |
| 20:07.55 | TheMasterMind1 | argh, how is opie login making it into my image |
| 20:07.56 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't want it |
| 20:08.09 | kergoth | its in the opie task packages |
| 20:08.13 | TheMasterMind1 | why |
| 20:08.19 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:08.21 | Twiun | because we're non-root now iirc |
| 20:08.27 | kergoth | because opie-login with autologin of root is default |
| 20:08.33 | kergoth | and opie-login provides auto restart when opie dies |
| 20:08.37 | Twiun | what kergoth said :) |
| 20:09.12 | TheMasterMind1 | /etc/init.d/opie start from console with opie-login results in a "Quit" |
| 20:11.57 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: -> treke |
| 20:12.07 | TheMasterMind1 | hm? |
| 20:12.21 | Harlekin | he changed opie-login, so tell him so he can resolv it |
| 20:12.30 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
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| 20:18.51 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: do i have to edit light+power app to add a contrast bar and set the number of levels available on each? |
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| 20:24.16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dunno. dont mess with it for now |
| 20:24.23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: shit man, fb/bl handling on suspend/resume is hosed |
| 20:24.23 | TheMasterMind1 | hm ok |
| 20:24.32 | kergoth | the screen fades away |
| 20:24.37 | kergoth | unpleasant |
| 20:24.44 | kergoth | needs to wipe the screen before cutting power i think |
| 20:25.32 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:25.34 | TheMasterMind1 | its kinda cool |
| 20:25.59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: how come it stops charging battery when suspended |
| 20:26.24 | kergoth | it does? |
| 20:26.26 | TheMasterMind1 | it calls the collie_battery pm callback with suspend and resume |
| 20:26.31 | TheMasterMind1 | i think so |
| 20:26.32 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme make sure |
| 20:26.34 | kergoth | k |
| 20:26.37 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe my battery is full |
| 20:26.56 | kergoth | hehe, cant check without apm |
| 20:27.07 | nightfire | CONFIG_MTD_CHAR=y |
| 20:27.10 | nightfire | CONFIG_MTD_BLOCK=y |
| 20:27.12 | TheMasterMind1 | nope, its fine |
| 20:27.13 | nightfire | are those important? |
| 20:27.19 | TheMasterMind1 | just happened to finish charging when i suspended |
| 20:28.08 | kergoth | nightfire: yes. critical. |
| 20:28.12 | TheMasterMind1 | why does suspending take so long |
| 20:28.20 | kergoth | not sure |
| 20:28.27 | TheMasterMind1 | fading effect is kinda cool. the flickering it does on resume is annoying though |
| 20:29.04 | nightfire | kergoth: they were just moved in the husky config |
| 20:29.06 | nightfire | sok |
| 20:29.12 | absentia | zat: do you want to sell your Z? |
| 20:29.15 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, whats up with the flickering on resume. can we help that? |
| 20:29.30 | kergoth | i'm working on it |
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| 20:29.41 | kergoth | something must be up with power vs controller enable/disable |
| 20:30.01 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 20:30.04 | kergoth | grr |
| 20:30.14 | kergoth | i really hate flying blind |
| 20:31.56 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.59 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:32.03 | TheMasterMind1 | its an option |
| 20:32.05 | TheMasterMind1 | thats funny |
| 20:32.24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its handy when i'm debugging |
| 20:32.32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: to just be able to hit fullr eset and watch teh uninterrupted boot |
| 20:32.41 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, makes sense |
| 20:34.44 | nightfire | does the boot loader normally pass mtdparts parameters to the kernel? |
| 20:34.53 | kergoth | nightfire: not if you disabled that option. |
| 20:34.59 | nightfire | well, assuming it's enabled.. |
| 20:35.10 | kergoth | then yes |
| 20:35.17 | nightfire | if only i had serial i could read those damned numbers |
| 20:35.19 | kergoth | why would you enable it? then you lose the ability to control console= and stuff |
| 20:35.25 | kergoth | gains you nothing |
| 20:35.40 | nightfire | well, i know... but these offsets *must* be wrong |
| 20:35.43 | nightfire | or it's not being flashed properly |
| 20:35.52 | nightfire | it doesn't recognize an ext2 filesystem (if i use that for the image) |
| 20:35.59 | nightfire | and jffs2 bitches about corruption everwhere |
| 20:36.52 | nightfire | did sharp release the source for updater.sh by any chance? |
| 20:37.08 | nightfire | i guess it just uses /dev/mtdblockn anyway :/ |
| 20:38.52 | kergoth | uh |
| 20:38.56 | kergoth | openzaurus.org/official/experimental |
| 20:38.59 | ljp | updater.sh is an encrypted script |
| 20:39.01 | kergoth | look at encsh.c |
| 20:39.07 | kergoth | that encodes/decodes an updater.sh |
| 20:39.11 | nightfire | i see. |
| 20:39.16 | kergoth | its a shell script. |
| 20:39.20 | kergoth | just encrypted |
| 20:39.40 | nightfire | why'd they encrypt it? |
| 20:39.55 | nightfire | Forbidden |
| 20:39.55 | nightfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.56 | nightfire | er.. |
| 20:39.57 | nightfire | heh |
| 20:40.02 | ljp | cause they dont want you to see it |
| 20:40.27 | nightfire | did you guys write encsh.c? |
| 20:40.30 | kergoth | sashz wrote it |
| 20:40.35 | Twiun | well... with the kind of 'encryption' that was used I've said it's most likely just something to appease management |
| 20:40.37 | nightfire | hmm. |
| 20:40.43 | nightfire | xor? |
| 20:40.43 | kergoth | his work on that is what allowed OZ to support 5600/c750/c760 |
| 20:40.44 | nightfire | :) |
| 20:40.46 | Twiun | ... it's more like obfuscation anyway |
| 20:40.49 | kergoth | its a translation table |
| 20:40.54 | kergoth | something quite simple |
| 20:41.00 | Twiun | Caesar-cipher |
| 20:41.00 | nightfire | like.. that doesn't make sense |
| 20:41.06 | kergoth | no, it odesnt |
| 20:41.17 | kergoth | like their 'dd' and 'nandlogical' commands are so confidential |
| 20:41.27 | kergoth | the only info thats useful in there is the offsets, but that info is in their kernel sources |
| 20:41.30 | Twiun | it does make sense - but only from a corporate mindset |
| 20:41.32 | kergoth | theres no reason to hide it |
| 20:41.32 | nightfire | you'd think they'd be appreciating the community support... |
| 20:41.41 | nightfire | fuck half their customers are probably oss hackers |
| 20:41.54 | kergoth | Twiun: well, from the 'lets hide everything unless we have a reason to do otherwise" mindset yeah. its back-ass-wards |
| 20:42.15 | Twiun | kergoth: but perfectly valid from a business standpoint... I've had to deal with it at the source |
| 20:42.18 | nightfire | did you guys talk to sharp at all? |
| 20:42.31 | Twiun | kergoth: minimal-disclosure to appease shareholders who don't know any better |
| 20:42.41 | Twiun | kergoth: or rather don't want to know any better |
| 20:43.03 | kergoth | nightfire: on numerous occasions |
| 20:43.18 | kergoth | nightfire: but the open source contacts at sharp didnt have the authority to give them clue |
| 20:43.25 | nightfire | poor. |
| 20:43.35 | Twiun | very |
| 20:43.38 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: else if ( QFile::exists ( "/dev/sharp_buz" ) || QFile::exists ( "/dev/sharp_led" )) |
| 20:43.40 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i fix that |
| 20:43.44 | kergoth | yep. they hired community relations people and then didnt let them do anything |
| 20:43.47 | kergoth | idiocy |
| 20:43.50 | Twiun | but if anything, it makes OSS efforts all that much more worthwhile |
| 20:43.58 | nightfire | no kidding |
| 20:44.01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you need it to check /proc/cpuinfo's Hardware line for Sharp or SHARP |
| 20:44.07 | nightfire | i understand the intense drive behind OZ now |
| 20:44.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: look at how i check the model down in the Zaurus::init function |
| 20:44.17 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 20:44.27 | nightfire | you'd think they'd just be happy dumping their software wing and just selling the hardware |
| 20:44.47 | Twiun | nightfire: there's the same kind of mentality just about everywhere commercial software interacts with OSS |
| 20:44.48 | kergoth | especially since the software isnt very good |
| 20:44.50 | nightfire | with some non-proprietary distro with maybe some addon software |
| 20:44.51 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:44.59 | nightfire | hrm. :/ |
| 20:45.01 | kergoth | very very few companies have a clue about open source relations |
| 20:45.19 | Twiun | and even the ones that do find some way to pervert it |
| 20:45.20 | ljp | but there are more and more all the time |
| 20:45.27 | nightfire | is this platform actually manufacturered by them or a 3rd party? |
| 20:45.36 | kergoth | afaik its sharp hardware |
| 20:45.36 | Twiun | hw platform? |
| 20:45.41 | kergoth | its even sharp proprietary chips in it |
| 20:45.42 | nightfire | yeah, hw |
| 20:45.46 | nightfire | ah. |
| 20:45.49 | TheMasterMind1 | is QString find() case sensitive? |
| 20:45.57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: doc.trolltech.com |
| 20:46.01 | kergoth | or is it docs? |
| 20:46.05 | kergoth | one of the two |
| 20:46.08 | Twiun | nightfire: but OZ is evolving into something which is hw agnostic |
| 20:46.30 | nightfire | i can't wait to see it :P |
| 20:46.35 | Twiun | nightfire: note it's being used on Simpads too and someone was seriously thinking of going x86 with it too :) |
| 20:46.41 | nightfire | i did have familiar back on my ipaq |
| 20:46.46 | nightfire | it was too cool |
| 20:46.51 | kergoth | nightfire: OE/OZ works on ipaqs as well |
| 20:47.08 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i let my Z sit for a while and the screen turned white |
| 20:47.13 | Twiun | kergoth: I left that out because the hw is so similar to the original Zaurii |
| 20:47.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hmm, thats the fbcon blanking .. must be misbehaving |
| 20:47.46 | kergoth | Twiun: ah yeha |
| 20:47.48 | kergoth | yeah rather |
| 20:48.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i think backlight needs to be hooked into the fbcon blank function |
| 20:48.36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: probably isnt right now |
| 20:48.36 | Twiun | it'd be interesting to get some Clie hackers on board too - just for interest |
| 20:48.55 | nightfire | is the project going to change names? |
| 20:49.13 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: my cpuinfo in proc, Hardware: collie |
| 20:49.16 | TheMasterMind1 | no mention of sharp |
| 20:49.16 | kergoth | nightfire: openzaurus as a name isnt going anywhere |
| 20:49.42 | kergoth | nightfire: openzaurus is just the zaurus specific incarnation of the openembedded distribution as produced by the openembedded build infrastructure |
| 20:49.53 | nightfire | ah, i see. |
| 20:50.21 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: can't we make like a /proc/oz file that i can check for =P |
| 20:50.43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: blank _is_ calling backlight |
| 20:50.44 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:51.03 | kergoth | blank sets the power function to 1 or 0 |
| 20:51.06 | kergoth | i wonder.. |
| 20:51.06 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:51.21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: do me a favor. teach 'bl' to support enabling/disabling power |
| 20:51.26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: need it to isolate the bug |
| 20:52.13 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 20:52.16 | TheMasterMind1 | that sounds like fun |
| 20:52.44 | kergoth | woah |
| 20:52.47 | kergoth | i got an email from bell mortgage |
| 20:52.52 | kergoth | they overcharged me $788.68 |
| 20:52.57 | kergoth | so i only owe $141.74 for august 1st |
| 20:53.50 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 20:54.00 | nightfire | isn't there a way to get the partition map from the diagnostic utility? |
| 20:54.08 | kergoth | doubtful |
| 20:54.56 | TheMasterMind1 | aha, get and set power |
| 20:54.57 | TheMasterMind1 | found it |
| 20:55.00 | nightfire | hmm.. i guess i could have the updater.sh script cat out something from /proc |
| 20:55.22 | nightfire | can you send me encsh.c? |
| 20:55.32 | nightfire | is it supposed to be unreadable? |
| 20:56.56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: happen to know the range of values for power? |
| 20:57.26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its just 0 and 1 afaik |
| 20:57.38 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 20:58.36 | nightfire | anyone? |
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| 21:01.54 | nightfire | nevermind. |
| 21:02.12 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hrm, ok, written. not sure if it works though |
| 21:02.13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:02.16 | nightfire | what an ugly script |
| 21:03.31 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/web-docs/zaurus/ |
| 21:05.39 | nightfire | wicked.. got it |
| 21:05.54 | nightfire | it starts at 3500000, erasesize 4000 |
| 21:07.54 | TheMasterMind1 | would it be considered a hack if odevice looked for /dev/oz which was created by the /etc/init.d/opie script =) |
| 21:08.43 | nightfire | er |
| 21:08.43 | nightfire | hah |
| 21:09.10 | nightfire | smf size is 700000 |
| 21:09.17 | nightfire | um |
| 21:09.56 | nightfire | 7168 |
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| 21:12.32 | nightfire | fuck :( |
| 21:14.49 | treke | fuck yeah |
| 21:14.52 | treke | wcf12 works |
| 21:15.13 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 21:15.15 | TheMasterMind1 | i found a bug |
| 21:15.17 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.20 | TheMasterMind1 | model = |
| 21:15.28 | TheMasterMind1 | lucky, thats the last else if statement |
| 21:15.31 | TheMasterMind1 | no one noticed |
| 21:15.36 | treke | TheMasterMind1: haha :) |
| 21:16.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it is Sharp-Collie on 2.4.6 |
| 21:16.51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: iirc |
| 21:17.08 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: right, but notice the '=' instead of the '==' |
| 21:17.14 | treke | kergoth: I think he's just saying it's a rather odd construct |
| 21:17.25 | treke | TheMasterMind1: == probably wouldnt work anyways |
| 21:17.29 | TheMasterMind1 | whys that |
| 21:17.34 | treke | TheMasterMind1: it would just do a pointer comparison iirc |
| 21:17.41 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, hrm |
| 21:17.58 | treke | it still seems like an odd way of doing it :) |
| 21:18.05 | TheMasterMind1 | its a QString |
| 21:18.12 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe it works |
| 21:18.12 | treke | oh |
| 21:18.13 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 21:18.18 | treke | then it would probably work |
| 21:18.30 | treke | sorry. been using c most of the morning :p |
| 21:18.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:18.58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: trying to isolate the bug with blanking |
| 21:19.04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: suspend/resume seems to work minus the odd fadeout |
| 21:20.00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: no flicker? |
| 21:20.13 | treke | kergoth: hostap 0.0.4 is out |
| 21:20.45 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i convert the following shell script to qt: if ( `cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -q Collie` ); then echo hi; else echo bye; fi |
| 21:21.48 | nightfire | nice.. got a prompt in the updater image :) |
| 21:21.54 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: create a QFile, create a QTextStream out of that file, read one line from QTextStream into a QString and use a QString method to check if Collie is in there. |
| 21:21.59 | mickeyl | re all btw. |
| 21:22.08 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: when i quit from opie-login it drop to console but my keyboard is all screwed up |
| 21:22.18 | TheMasterMind1 | and when i try to /etc/init.d/opie start i get "Quit" |
| 21:22.20 | TheMasterMind1 | and nothing starts |
| 21:22.28 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl: what a pain. no oneliners? |
| 21:22.29 | treke | huh? |
| 21:22.35 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: I'm afraid not... |
| 21:22.36 | treke | how is the console screwed up? |
| 21:22.40 | treke | and are you using 2.4.21? |
| 21:22.52 | treke | and does kergoth say 2.4.21 does the right thing with keyboards? |
| 21:22.59 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: but it sounds harder that it is ;) |
| 21:23.27 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: keyboard works fine in console when i don't start opie on bootup. |
| 21:23.49 | TheMasterMind1 | its like what used to happen when opie segfaulted and messed the keyboard up |
| 21:24.00 | treke | And what fixed that? |
| 21:24.37 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno.. fixing the segfault? |
| 21:24.48 | TheMasterMind1 | ;) |
| 21:25.13 | nightfire | this script is retarded |
| 21:25.21 | treke | so qte is broken not opie-login :) |
| 21:25.27 | TheMasterMind1 | its got something to do with opie-login though. if i get rid of it, and quit straight out of opie to console, stuff is fine |
| 21:25.47 | treke | and does the same thing happen with 2.4.6? |
| 21:25.52 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno |
| 21:25.55 | treke | try it |
| 21:26.21 | treke | not much point in trying to debug opie-login when the problem may not be there |
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| 21:27.16 | kergoth | the real question is if c700 images exhibit that problem |
| 21:27.27 | kergoth | since c700 is a completely different kernel tree but also uses the qte keyboard patch |
| 21:27.42 | treke | either way your more or less on your own since I dont have any devices I can try reproducing it on |
| 21:29.33 | nightfire | the kernel should go to mtdblock1 right? |
| 21:29.43 | TheMasterMind1 | comeon.. theres gonna be a kernel-oz specific file in either /dev or /proc. |
| 21:29.56 | kergoth | no |
| 21:29.58 | kergoth | there isnt. |
| 21:30.04 | kergoth | not OZ specific anyway |
| 21:30.09 | kergoth | you need to check that this is a *zaurus* |
| 21:30.11 | kergoth | not that you're on OZ |
| 21:30.18 | kergoth | we'll have multiple devices sharing the oz-2.4 base tree |
| 21:33.11 | kergoth | is there an fbutils tool to blank the fb? |
| 21:33.59 | treke | dammit. the wcf12 stopped working again |
| 21:34.23 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: did set power and get power work? |
| 21:34.30 | kergoth | didnt check yet |
| 21:34.57 | nightfire | YUS. |
| 21:34.59 | nightfire | we have bootage |
| 21:35.05 | nightfire | that updater.sh script is busted on the 760. |
| 21:36.27 | nightfire | oh, beautiful init |
| 21:36.52 | mickeyl | ifeq ($(findstring 2.4.19,$(KERNEL_VERSTR)),2.4.19) |
| 21:37.01 | mickeyl | is there something like ifgt ? |
| 21:37.05 | mickeyl | as in greater as |
| 21:37.07 | mickeyl | or less than |
| 21:37.08 | mickeyl | ? |
| 21:37.26 | treke | what a piece of shit :) |
| 21:37.41 | mickeyl | how's it better? |
| 21:37.53 | mickeyl | i need to express if KERNEL_VERSTR is >= 2.4.18 |
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| 21:39.22 | kergoth | ifeq ($(shell [ $(KERNEL_VERSTR) >= 2.4.18 ] && echo $?),1) |
| 21:39.25 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:39.35 | mickeyl | d'oh! |
| 21:39.36 | absentia | re |
| 21:39.40 | mickeyl | thanx kenb |
| 21:39.42 | mickeyl | argh |
| 21:39.43 | mickeyl | thanx kergoth |
| 21:39.44 | kergoth | something like that anyway |
| 21:39.44 | kergoth | np |
| 21:39.48 | mickeyl | oh and btw. |
| 21:39.52 | mickeyl | ~lart tab completion |
| 21:39.53 | mickeyl | :D |
| 21:40.07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: btw i fixed your get function |
| 21:40.17 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the ioctl returns the structure, not a pointer to the structure |
| 21:40.25 | kergoth | # ./bl |
| 21:40.34 | kergoth | Brightness: 194 (./bl b 0-255 to set) |
| 21:40.44 | kergoth | Contrast: 161 (./bl c 0-255 to set) |
| 21:40.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:40.49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ah, cool |
| 21:41.18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: that url you gave me was a 404 |
| 21:41.26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: for the vfersion w/ power change |
| 21:41.43 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 21:41.49 | TheMasterMind1 | www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/zaurus/ |
| 21:41.54 | TheMasterMind1 | backlight.c |
| 21:42.22 | kergoth | that odsent have power in it |
| 21:42.24 | kergoth | doesnt rather |
| 21:42.36 | kergoth | maybe the proxy is caching it |
| 21:43.24 | kergoth | yep, it was |
| 21:43.37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: try bl.c |
| 21:43.40 | TheMasterMind1 | oh ok |
| 21:43.41 | TheMasterMind1 | nm then |
| 21:44.14 | TheMasterMind1 | you just changed get->curr to get.curr? |
| 21:44.19 | kergoth | you really need to revamp your commandline argument handling |
| 21:44.24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: heh, yea |
| 21:44.28 | kergoth | and change struct bl_setting *get to struct bl_setting get |
| 21:44.32 | kergoth | and change the ioctls to use &get not get |
| 21:44.36 | kergoth | since ioctl expects a pointer |
| 21:44.36 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 21:46.40 | kergoth | ah ha! |
| 21:46.45 | kergoth | thanks :) |
| 21:48.05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: my pcmcia just paniced |
| 21:48.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fun, lets see if i can repro |
| 21:48.14 | TheMasterMind1 | joy |
| 21:48.30 | kergoth | well we're getting there. still minor things like this to clean up |
| 21:48.34 | kergoth | mmc is still the big one |
| 21:48.42 | nightfire | hmm.. how do you wake up the system after an apm -s? |
| 21:48.48 | kergoth | you hit the power button. |
| 21:48.54 | mickeyl | press the magic button which has been programmed |
| 21:49.06 | nightfire | hmm |
| 21:49.10 | nightfire | not working |
| 21:49.11 | nightfire | ah well |
| 21:49.16 | nightfire | i'm happy :) |
| 21:49.50 | nightfire | i'm going to rewrite that stupid script |
| 21:49.52 | nightfire | what a piece of crap |
| 21:49.55 | kergoth | nightfire: whatd you have to do? |
| 21:50.05 | nightfire | i ended up just dd'ing the image into /dev/mtdblock2 |
| 21:50.09 | nightfire | and it 'just worked' |
| 21:50.17 | kergoth | oh |
| 21:50.22 | kergoth | sashz had to do something along those lines |
| 21:50.29 | kergoth | because he found he had a couple bad blocks in his flash |
| 21:50.32 | nightfire | thanks for the heads up. |
| 21:50.34 | nightfire | haha |
| 21:50.42 | kergoth | if he erased it properly with a newer erase tool that marks them, it works |
| 21:50.51 | kergoth | so he had to replace the initrd.gz with a version with better tools in it |
| 21:50.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:50.59 | kergoth | cause sharp sucks |
| 21:51.08 | nightfire | no kidding |
| 21:51.13 | nightfire | i don't know where they found their developers |
| 21:51.22 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:51.22 | kergoth | nightfire: try reading the lineo kernel code sometime |
| 21:51.27 | nightfire | heh |
| 21:51.34 | TheMasterMind1 | alright, i now have an odevice.patch |
| 21:51.37 | TheMasterMind1 | time to test it |
| 21:51.43 | nightfire | god i've never seen such a beautiful # before. |
| 21:51.46 | treke | <kergoth> Except the parts tim riker wrote. His code is perfect |
| 21:51.55 | treke | <kergoth> a work of art |
| 21:51.58 | mickeyl | :D |
| 21:52.01 | kergoth | treke: hehe, the code was done by lineo japan afaik |
| 21:52.03 | kergoth | treke: :) |
| 21:52.11 | treke | hehe |
| 21:52.16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you figured out flickering? |
| 21:52.21 | kergoth | though he did do the changes to our sharp flash driver |
| 21:52.25 | kergoth | which we're still using even in 2.4.21 |
| 21:52.33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dont know what you mean by flickering |
| 21:52.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hold, i have changes to push, then you can confirm |
| 21:53.00 | nightfire | well i'll rewrite this updater utility to perform some basic diagnostics and flash better |
| 21:53.17 | nightfire | and give the option of starting a shell :) |
| 21:54.02 | nightfire | ok, home time. |
| 21:54.03 | nightfire | later guys |
| 21:54.12 | kergoth | later |
| 21:55.29 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, now i have an odevice.patch that compiles |
| 21:55.33 | TheMasterMind1 | lets see if that works |
| 21:56.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fixed blanking. |
| 21:56.55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: any way to bk pull sources/collie-2.4 ? |
| 21:57.04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: bl p 0 and bl p 1 do what is expected now |
| 21:57.08 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 21:57.21 | kergoth | not sure |
| 21:57.44 | TheMasterMind1 | since we get rid of all SCCS |
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| 21:58.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: probably have to mrproper |
| 21:58.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: what i'm doing is, i ln -sf /path/to/my/collie-2.4 to sources/collie-2.4 |
| 21:59.05 | kergoth | then everything is surprisingly happy |
| 21:59.13 | TheMasterMind1 | really |
| 21:59.16 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't that screw up bk |
| 21:59.21 | kergoth | i dont think bk follows the link |
| 21:59.25 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 21:59.26 | kergoth | if its a dir, then yeah |
| 21:59.30 | chouimat | hi |
| 21:59.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: put that bl into buildroot |
| 22:00.14 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 22:01.05 | kergoth | why the hell doesnt it like waking up? |
| 22:01.13 | kergoth | grr |
| 22:02.22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the flicker, it happens when the controller is disabled and reenabled |
| 22:02.28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: which means our split still isnt perfect |
| 22:02.30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :\ |
| 22:02.37 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 22:02.37 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 22:03.22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: okay, we need to isolate the suspend delay |
| 22:03.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: figure out who's consuming time in the suspend |
| 22:03.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: maybe add time checks in the pm_send_all function |
| 22:05.38 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, that prolly work |
| 22:06.20 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll work on that next |
| 22:06.23 | TheMasterMind1 | almost done with odevice |
| 22:06.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:06.39 | SuKoSh| | hi |
| 22:06.41 | kergoth | while the kernel is recompiling i add features to OE |
| 22:07.42 | mickeyl | kergoth: do that while you're young ;) |
| 22:08.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'll get us charging early in the init path |
| 22:08.14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: since thats a pretty critical issue |
| 22:08.25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: battery charging that is, before it resuspends |
| 22:09.34 | kergoth | bleh |
| 22:09.38 | kergoth | thats going to be harder than you'd think |
| 22:09.40 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:10.02 | TheMasterMind1 | hehe |
| 22:10.05 | TheMasterMind1 | global variables time! |
| 22:10.56 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:11.01 | kergoth | we can turn on charging, thats easy |
| 22:11.12 | kergoth | but we need to make sure the Z wakes up if you insert/remove the power cable |
| 22:11.24 | kergoth | and we need to make sure we get an interrupt when teh battery is fully charged |
| 22:11.30 | kergoth | otherwise we could overcharge the bat |
| 22:11.41 | kergoth | so we do need the full fucking collie battery stuff fired up |
| 22:11.43 | kergoth | argh. |
| 22:11.55 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, i noticed. battery fully charged, you suspend. on resume, it starts charging again |
| 22:12.00 | kergoth | yeah it does |
| 22:12.08 | kergoth | then it immediately gets a charge off interrupt from the tc |
| 22:12.10 | kergoth | since its full |
| 22:12.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:12.15 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 22:12.20 | kergoth | minor minor thing |
| 22:12.24 | TheMasterMind1 | why do we need to wake Z on power cable events |
| 22:12.34 | kergoth | because we have to turn charging on/off |
| 22:12.39 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 22:12.39 | kergoth | and charge on/off is controlled through software |
| 22:12.47 | TheMasterMind1 | fun |
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| 22:12.53 | noda | Moo! |
| 22:12.53 | kergoth | we *could* resuspend automatically if we woke up from that particular interrupt |
| 22:13.00 | kergoth | but thats a pretty low priority item |
| 22:13.07 | kergoth | hey can you add some of these items to todo for me? |
| 22:13.15 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, willdo |
| 22:13.18 | kergoth | thanks |
| 22:13.53 | TheMasterMind1 | yay! |
| 22:13.56 | TheMasterMind1 | correct rotation |
| 22:13.59 | TheMasterMind1 | odevice works |
| 22:14.14 | TheMasterMind1 | but calibrate gets stuck in a loop. made me calibrate the 4 points 5 times |
| 22:14.38 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:14.46 | kergoth | ah ha! |
| 22:14.50 | kergoth | I need to split the battery driver |
| 22:14.52 | kergoth | into two pieces |
| 22:15.00 | kergoth | one for the battery checking bits for apm's battery status % |
| 22:15.04 | kergoth | and one for the charge handling |
| 22:15.16 | kergoth | charge handlign goes in arch/arm/mach-sa1100 so we can control its placement in the init call path |
| 22:15.22 | kergoth | make sure it happens before batswitch |
| 22:15.46 | kergoth | battery % requires that the tc35143af be up & running, so it has to stay in drivers/misc with ucb & mcp |
| 22:16.46 | Twiun[afk] | how are such call path interdependencies usually worked out by the kernel? |
| 22:17.06 | kergoth | Twiun: link order controls __initcall function call order at init time. |
| 22:17.15 | kergoth | Twiun: which means things outside your directory are a bitch to deal with |
| 22:17.21 | kergoth | wrt order |
| 22:18.07 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: odevice works like a charm. can control brightness too. set from 0 - 255 with sliding bar |
| 22:18.25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nice. |
| 22:19.16 | Twiun | very nice! |
| 22:19.27 | Twiun | kergoth: as for the deps... klunky |
| 22:19.31 | kergoth | Twiun: very |
| 22:19.36 | kergoth | modules are easier that way |
| 22:19.43 | kergoth | since their deps are represented |
| 22:19.48 | Twiun | yeah |
| 22:19.52 | kergoth | thats a big reason i prefer modular to monolithic |
| 22:20.00 | kergoth | though its a reason most dont think about :) |
| 22:20.32 | Twiun | it's a compromise in the end - and each application pushes the midpoint either way |
| 22:20.46 | kergoth | see if we didnt have this stupid locked down kernel flash partition |
| 22:20.51 | kergoth | i'd go with a nice modular solution |
| 22:20.58 | kergoth | maybe purely modular with a tiny initrd |
| 22:22.22 | Twiun | kergoth: read the poster's comments on his snapshot: http://www.flipcode.com/cgi-bin/msg.cgi?showThread=07-27-2003&forum=iotd&id=-1 |
| 22:22.27 | Twiun | kergoth: talk about conceited! |
| 22:23.02 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 22:23.04 | TheMasterMind1 | kernel panic |
| 22:23.04 | Twiun | kergoth: and reinventing the wheel |
| 22:23.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:23.08 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 22:23.12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: doing what? |
| 22:23.18 | TheMasterMind1 | playing with the ts |
| 22:23.24 | TheMasterMind1 | in drawpad |
| 22:24.19 | kergoth | hmm odd |
| 22:24.40 | TheMasterMind1 | happened once when i was playing with ts in handwriting too |
| 22:24.42 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:24.44 | kergoth | how long does it take to auto blank the fb i wonder |
| 22:24.53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: k, i'll flash an opie image and see if i can repro since i have serial |
| 22:25.08 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 22:26.13 | mickeyl | d'oh! didn't knew that the c750 was slashdotted... |
| 22:26.38 | mickeyl | s/knew/know |
| 22:26.40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hrm, another one on bootup this time |
| 22:26.41 | mickeyl | my grammar sucks |
| 22:27.00 | TheMasterMind1 | i think its pcmcia |
| 22:27.09 | kergoth | ah yeah its probably pcmcia |
| 22:27.15 | Twiun | kergoth: autoblanking is usually 10mins |
| 22:27.34 | Twiun | kergoth: was hardcoded in .6 in some of the console code |
| 22:27.47 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:27.59 | kergoth | a watched framebuffer never blanks |
| 22:28.00 | kergoth | or something |
| 22:28.09 | Twiun | you can change it via ioctls - or using settext(sp?) |
| 22:28.21 | Twiun | there's a util for it |
| 22:28.24 | TheMasterMind1 | handwriting's ts handling is weird. i click somewhere it and draws a line from some point to that place |
| 22:28.34 | Twiun | sounds like the filtering |
| 22:28.49 | Twiun | should clear the event buffer after some inactivity |
| 22:29.08 | TheMasterMind1 | yea but its points where i've never clicked before |
| 22:29.10 | TheMasterMind1 | far away points |
| 22:29.13 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:29.16 | Twiun | loose pointer? |
| 22:29.20 | kergoth | do you ever get that with ts_test? |
| 22:29.28 | kergoth | we need a test console drawing app |
| 22:29.31 | kergoth | i think schurig has one he used for testing |
| 22:29.37 | kergoth | ask him when he drops in |
| 22:29.54 | TheMasterMind1 | oh nice |
| 22:29.56 | TheMasterMind1 | could use that |
| 22:30.11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: how does opie know if power is plugged in or not |
| 22:30.17 | TheMasterMind1 | light+power doesn't seem to figure it out |
| 22:30.22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: opie uses apm |
| 22:30.24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we dont have apm |
| 22:30.25 | kergoth | .. |
| 22:30.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:31.10 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 22:31.14 | TheMasterMind1 | makes sense |
| 22:31.20 | kergoth | time to add the apm implementation soon here |
| 22:31.28 | kergoth | wnat to add that to TODO? |
| 22:31.45 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
| 22:31.48 | Twiun | hey chouimat |
| 22:32.01 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 22:32.18 | Twiun | Hahaha -> http://bash.org/?123318 |
| 22:32.20 | chouimat | kergoth: I just added "OE support for kdevelop3" to my TODO list |
| 22:32.24 | kergoth | chouimat: cool |
| 22:32.56 | kergoth | damnit damnit |
| 22:32.57 | chouimat | kergoth: if I can have enought time |
| 22:32.58 | kergoth | BLANK DAMN YOU |
| 22:34.11 | Twiun | kergoth: didn't you use settext to shorten the blank period? |
| 22:34.23 | Twiun | setterm even |
| 22:34.37 | kergoth | woo it blanked |
| 22:34.39 | Twiun | setterm -blank 1 sets it to 60s |
| 22:34.40 | kergoth | and it worked properly |
| 22:34.50 | Twiun | cool :) |
| 22:34.59 | Twiun | -blank 0 forces it to never blank |
| 22:35.01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: nice |
| 22:35.23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: k, pushing the blank fix |
| 22:36.18 | mewyn | hrm... |
| 22:36.31 | chouimat | Twiun: http://bash.org/?123569 |
| 22:36.32 | mewyn | new sony clie, looks like the 7x0 |
| 22:37.05 | Twiun | chouimat: rofl |
| 22:37.25 | chouimat | Twiun: http://bash.org/?123609 |
| 22:38.01 | Twiun | hehe |
| 22:38.22 | kergoth | fyi, http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/BKHints |
| 22:38.28 | chouimat | Twiun: http://bash.org/?123586 |
| 22:38.31 | kergoth | so we can start collecting the useful bk bits |
| 22:38.37 | kergoth | s/bits/commands and tips/ |
| 22:38.52 | mickeyl | aw that is good! |
| 22:39.20 | Twiun | chouimat: ok, enough :) don't want to wake the mrs with all my laughing |
| 22:39.50 | chouimat | Twiun: ;) |
| 22:41.41 | chouimat | http://bash.org/?123552 |
| 22:42.12 | chouimat | errr http://bash.org/?123477 |
| 22:49.14 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 22:49.21 | TheMasterMind1 | if you try to write fast with the ts |
| 22:49.26 | TheMasterMind1 | you end up with a bunch of weird lines |
| 22:49.35 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:49.45 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to know if its tslib or opie doing it |
| 22:50.06 | kergoth | we need that test app of schurig's |
| 22:50.09 | kergoth | google around on tslib |
| 22:53.56 | TheMasterMind1 | if i move stylus in a straight line back and forth |
| 22:54.00 | TheMasterMind1 | it draws circles |
| 22:54.11 | Twiun | rofl |
| 22:54.14 | TheMasterMind1 | well, ovals |
| 22:54.29 | Twiun | that's some heady shit tslib must be smoking |
| 22:55.00 | kergoth | haha |
| 22:55.26 | TheMasterMind1 | [9;0] |
| 22:55.29 | TheMasterMind1 | opie login spews that out |
| 22:55.33 | TheMasterMind1 | and the console doesn't like it |
| 22:55.57 | TheMasterMind1 | no its something else |
| 22:55.59 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno, its weird |
| 22:56.03 | TheMasterMind1 | good thing i have sysrq+k |
| 22:56.05 | kergoth | we need more tslib testing apps |
| 22:56.08 | kergoth | sysrq rocks |
| 22:57.36 | mickeyl | excuse my ignorance, but what is sysrq ? |
| 22:58.01 | kergoth | kernel magic sysrq key |
| 22:58.08 | kergoth | lets you communicate with the kernel directly |
| 22:58.15 | kergoth | sync disks, kill processes, dump stacks, reboot |
| 22:58.15 | kergoth | etc |
| 22:58.29 | mickeyl | ha! nice. |
| 22:58.37 | kergoth | example, usb-storage dies, you have a uninterruptable mount process, so youc ant reboot |
| 22:58.43 | kergoth | sysrq sync the disks, sysrq reboot |
| 22:58.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:58.48 | kergoth | very nice |
| 22:59.16 | mickeyl | very cool. i need this. what do i need to enable this? a syscode and a keyboard driver in the kernel? |
| 22:59.23 | mickeyl | s/syscode/keycode |
| 22:59.55 | TheMasterMind1 | i have a sysrq key on my keyborad |
| 23:00.02 | TheMasterMind1 | most pc104 do i think |
| 23:00.15 | TheMasterMind1 | printscreen/sysrq |
| 23:00.18 | mickeyl | d'oh... it works via ssh? |
| 23:00.25 | TheMasterMind1 | doubt it |
| 23:00.50 | mickeyl | which is the Z's sysreq key? |
| 23:01.21 | kergoth | home |
| 23:01.36 | mickeyl | aah. |
| 23:02.52 | ljp | home.. home on the range... where the deer and the antelope play.. |
| 23:10.30 | mickeyl | pff |
| 23:10.31 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 23:10.36 | Twiun | hey mickeyl |
| 23:10.42 | mickeyl | SIMpad bootloader resets backlight to full after resume |
| 23:10.43 | mickeyl | grr |
| 23:10.48 | mickeyl | hi Twiun |
| 23:10.54 | kergoth | mickeyl: ack |
| 23:13.59 | kergoth | hrmmm |
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| 23:18.07 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.07 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.10 | TheMasterMind1 | whats that do |
| 23:18.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:19.02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you know that linux device drivers is available online for free ridght? |
| 23:19.07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: take a look at hte pdf |
| 23:20.25 | treke | son of bitch |
| 23:20.29 | kergoth | treke: ? |
| 23:20.37 | treke | it's a bad fucking card |
| 23:20.48 | kergoth | the wcf12? |
| 23:20.53 | treke | yes |
| 23:20.58 | kergoth | ouch |
| 23:22.35 | treke | If I push the damn antenna forward it gets a connection |
| 23:22.45 | pb_ | hah. |
| 23:22.48 | kergoth | aha |
| 23:22.56 | kergoth | how long have you been fighting that card now? |
| 23:22.56 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:23.04 | treke | About two or three months |
| 23:23.31 | treke | so it was working earlier today not because of hostap 0.0.4 but because it was resting in the right position |
| 23:23.57 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 23:24.19 | treke | I cant believe the card is that poorly built |
| 23:24.46 | pb_ | maybe you just got unlucky and have a duff unit. |
| 23:24.59 | Twiun | maybe excessive G's when the cargo plane landed? |
| 23:25.17 | treke | pb_: Could be. It stopped working about a week after I bought it. I chalked it up to bad drivers :) |
| 23:26.18 | pb_ | kergoth: what's RT? I guess I can install those perl modules for you. |
| 23:26.50 | kergoth | pb_: its a task/issue/bug tracking tool |
| 23:26.58 | kergoth | pb_: it seems as powerful as bugzilla, but its easy to use ;) |
| 23:27.03 | pb_ | aha |
| 23:27.10 | kergoth | want to test it out as a possible replacement for mantis in opie and sf's bts for OZ |
| 23:27.52 | treke | something in between mantis and bugzilla would be cool |
| 23:28.00 | kergoth | thats what its like |
| 23:28.07 | kergoth | imho its easier than mantis actually |
| 23:28.14 | treke | bugzilla is nasty |
| 23:28.30 | pb_ | what is it about bugzilla you don't like? |
| 23:28.37 | kergoth | dont ya love selecting the project from one big ass html page? |
| 23:28.40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:28.44 | kergoth | i hate its interfaces |
| 23:28.51 | pb_ | ah, heh. |
| 23:28.52 | kergoth | bugzilla is very functional and powerful |
| 23:28.59 | kergoth | but its UI really sucks |
| 23:29.06 | treke | exactly |
| 23:29.14 | pb_ | yeah, I guess that little HTML selector for components and products does suck. |
| 23:29.23 | treke | kergoth: I liked the old javascript one hh.o used |
| 23:29.41 | treke | it would freeze up your web browser for a noticable period of time while it set that component up :) |
| 23:29.43 | kergoth | i dont think i was around when that existed |
| 23:29.44 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:29.58 | treke | kergoth: It was one of the reasons opie switched to mantis :) |
| 23:30.04 | pb_ | kergoth: what's the make rule to show me the dependencies? |
| 23:30.07 | kergoth | pb_: hold on a sec |
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| 23:31.11 | kergoth | pb_: http://fsck.com/rtfm/article.html?id=2#11 |
| 23:31.34 | pb_ | ah right |
| 23:31.37 | kergoth | if that doesnt work, the readme tells what it is |
| 23:31.42 | kergoth | how to call the perl script directly |
| 23:31.56 | pb_ | crumbs, thousands of them. |
| 23:32.01 | treke | pb_: played with the axim any? |
| 23:32.21 | kergoth | pb_: you can adjust teh script to tell it what sql backend to use and what web interface (fastcgi, modperl1, modperl2) |
| 23:32.26 | kergoth | pb_: see the readme for details |
| 23:32.27 | pb_ | treke: not yet. just got back to England yesterday morning, and been fully occupied since then. might have a go at the weekend though |
| 23:32.31 | kergoth | treke: http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ |
| 23:32.36 | treke | cool. whenever :) |
| 23:32.38 | kergoth | treke: check out the shots |
| 23:36.03 | pb_ | hm, maybe I don't feel up to installing all those modules after all. I guess George will probably take care of it tomorrow. If nobody else deals with it, poke me again. |
| 23:36.14 | kergoth | k, thanks |
| 23:36.45 | pb_ | I think George was going to upgrade handhelds.org to a newer mandrake sometime soon, which might make it easier. |
| 23:37.11 | ljp-laptop_ | oohh, that sounds painful |
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| 23:37.30 | treke | hh.o is mandrake? |
| 23:37.32 | pb_ | yep |
| 23:37.35 | treke | ick |
| 23:37.36 | treke | :) |
| 23:37.46 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 23:37.46 | pb_ | Mandrake Linux release 8.1 (Vitamin) for i586, to be exact |
| 23:37.49 | mickeyl | good choice |
| 23:37.54 | treke | double ick |
| 23:38.12 | kergoth | i hope you at least have apt-rpm setup on that thing |
| 23:38.21 | pb_ | unfortunately I'm not the 1337 mandrake h4x0r, so I don't have much of a clue how to administer it. |
| 23:38.48 | treke | you begin by inserting a debian bootdisk |
| 23:39.06 | pb_ | well, not that I'm exactly the greatest sysadmin even on debian, but still. |
| 23:39.14 | mickeyl | urpmi rulez. no need for apt-rpm |
| 23:39.26 | treke | mickeyl: you are german, you should be using suse |
| 23:39.31 | mickeyl | ick |
| 23:39.47 | mickeyl | treke: i hate suse |
| 23:39.53 | kergoth | YaST |
| 23:39.53 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:40.09 | treke | I thought all of you people liked suse :) |
| 23:40.37 | mickeyl | treke: suse is getting more and more like windows. wrap the user in sweet clouds and don't let him do anything which could might hurt him... i hate that. i want to be in control. |
| 23:40.41 | pb_ | treke: I thought all of you people liked microsoft. |
| 23:40.47 | treke | pb_: We do |
| 23:40.52 | pb_ | ah, I was right. |
| 23:40.53 | treke | Microsoft is good. |
| 23:41.13 | ljp-laptop_ | I use openzaurus |
| 23:41.31 | treke | ljp-laptop_: You wont count after tomorrow |
| 23:41.36 | ljp-laptop_ | hahaa |
| 23:41.40 | ljp-laptop_ | yes I will |
| 23:41.40 | mickeyl | kergoth: rt looks nice. simplicity rules. |
| 23:41.49 | ljp-laptop_ | I'll count even more |
| 23:41.57 | pb_ | hm, I dread to think what OS the aussies like. |
| 23:42.07 | kergoth | mickeyl: yup |
| 23:43.09 | ljp-laptop_ | they will like whatever OS I tell them to like. :D |
| 23:43.13 | kergoth | mickeyl: I need some form of KDE app that integrates with RT for my OZ task management |
| 23:43.17 | kergoth | mickeyl: hehe |
| 23:43.23 | pb_ | oh, hm, seems I unplugged my speakers by mistake. no wonder my mp3 player wasn't working earlier. |
| 23:44.12 | ljp-laptop_ | play it through the pc speaker |
| 23:44.21 | pb_ | ah, good thinking. |
| 23:44.35 | pb_ | is that driver still maintained? I haven't used it since 1995 or so. |
| 23:44.44 | mickeyl | kergoth: now if we start again, we absolutely must make the distinction between Opie and OZ clear. Also, I vote for not looking at bugs which have not been at least reported by two persons. |
| 23:45.11 | kergoth | mickeyl: agreed. IMHO we *write up* the bug handling policy. |
| 23:45.23 | kergoth | mickeyl: Opie has no documented policies right now. this is bad. |
| 23:45.27 | pb_ | mm, Oliver was asking to have opie removed from the handhelds.org bugzilla the other day. |
| 23:45.30 | mickeyl | kergoth: yes. and have gatekeeper page with "did you understand this?" :D |
| 23:45.34 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:45.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:46.08 | noda | mickeyl: Those don't work :) |
| 23:46.16 | mickeyl | noda: i fear so, yep |
| 23:46.19 | noda | Speaking of which, anybody keen on going through the OpenZaurus FAQ? :P |
| 23:46.37 | kergoth | heh, there are so many of those that need updating or are obselete |
| 23:46.58 | kergoth | once we switch to RT, we need issue tracking integration with teh faq system |
| 23:47.08 | kergoth | bind an faq to a bug thats outstanding for workaroudns |
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| 23:47.28 | mickeyl | n8 |
| 23:47.31 | noda | kergoth: Yeah |
| 23:47.34 | kergoth | night mickeyl |
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| 23:47.43 | noda | Will RT run on sf.net? |
| 23:47.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:47.51 | kergoth | noda: doubtful, working on getting it operational on handhelds |
| 23:47.56 | kergoth | a-atwood: hey alan |
| 23:47.58 | noda | Oh fun |
| 23:48.01 | kergoth | a-atwood: fancy seeing you over here |
| 23:48.34 | kergoth | noda: if i have some time this weekend I'll go through the faqs |
| 23:48.50 | ljp-laptop_ | hmm, is TI taking over #oe?!? |
| 23:49.02 | kergoth | s/taking over/contributing to/, then yes |
| 23:49.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:49.11 | kergoth | ~lart ljp-laptop_ |
| 23:49.25 | ljp-laptop_ | hey contributions are usually always nice |
| 23:49.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i believe i've isolated the long-suspend bug in 2.4.21 on collie. |
| 23:49.34 | TimRiker | kergoth: I told a-atwood to use nslookup on ibot but forgot that ibot won't talk to you unless you are in one of his channels |
| 23:49.36 | noda | kergoth: Is TI *aware* that it's contributing? ;) |
| 23:49.41 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: testing a fi |
| 23:49.42 | kergoth | x |
| 23:49.43 | TimRiker | noda: yes |
| 23:49.46 | kergoth | TimRiker: aha |
| 23:49.47 | noda | ;) |
| 23:50.05 | noda | TimRiker: Oh, congratulations, what's your position? |
| 23:50.11 | kergoth | TimRiker: i ever tell you i finally got an alias setup? clarson@ti |
| 23:50.22 | pb_ | oh, you don't get kergoth@ti.com? |
| 23:50.45 | treke | kergoth: what was it before? |
| 23:50.54 | TimRiker | noda: technical manager / senior linux technologist |
| 23:51.03 | noda | Coooool :) |
| 23:51.08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nevermind, its still slow. seems a bit better though. usbdmonitor slows things down when you dont have a usbd harddware access driver loaded |
| 23:51.12 | kergoth | treke: xf005570 |
| 23:51.15 | kergoth | treke: hehe |
| 23:51.19 | treke | kergoth: good lord |
| 23:51.49 | TimRiker | noda: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1201896,00.asp ;-) |
| 23:52.35 | noda | TimRiker: Awesome, in Ottawa too? That's like 300km away from here, maybe less... :) |
| 23:53.59 | noda | TimRiker: It's actually true that somebody said Windows CE is reliable? :) |
| 23:54.30 | TimRiker | noda: I seem to recall the word was popular. |
| 23:55.27 | TimRiker | reporters are never %100 on. This was as close as expected. |
| 23:55.36 | noda | Ah |
| 23:56.49 | pb_ | treke: you should come work on the h5400 port if you want to see crashes. |
| 23:56.56 | treke | hehe |
| 23:57.37 | treke | well that and kernel space isnt my cup of tea :) |
| 23:57.54 | pb_ | nor mine really. |
| 23:58.34 | treke | I've been having to mess about in it quite a bit since switching to 2.[56] and I can't say it's been a pleasant experience |
| 23:59.01 | pb_ | ah. :-/ |
| 23:59.11 | treke | In one case I ended up with a driver that crashed every couple hours and one that compiles but doesnt load :) |
