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| 00:01.01 | _Psycho | stupidest crash on my windows crash history, my mouse dropped on the floor win2k frooze... |
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| 00:01.09 | noda | Moo! |
| 00:01.23 | TheMasterMind1 | hey nod |
| 00:01.28 | TheMasterMind1 | noda |
| 00:01.35 | noda | TheMasterMind1: 'sup? |
| 00:02.00 | TheMasterMind1 | not much |
| 00:02.30 | noda | chouimat: EVERYTHING is SCO free. |
| 00:02.35 | noda | They're spreading FUD. |
| 00:07.56 | chouimat | noda: I was joking |
| 00:09.17 | noda | Heh |
| 00:09.50 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
| 00:09.55 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.6.0-test2 |
| 00:10.00 | kenb | yup |
| 00:10.02 | TheMasterMind1 | wondering if i should try it |
| 00:10.12 | TheMasterMind1 | test1-mm1-ck made sound suck |
| 00:10.13 | TheMasterMind1 | and vmware wouldn't work |
| 00:10.14 | noda | If there's a debian source package I will :) |
| 00:10.29 | TheMasterMind1 | nor would radeonfb.. |
| 00:10.32 | noda | My laptop is in desperate need of acpi |
| 00:10.42 | TheMasterMind1 | the mouse became faster.. |
| 00:10.46 | TheMasterMind1 | couldn't burn cds |
| 00:10.47 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:10.49 | TheMasterMind1 | was rather annoying |
| 00:11.52 | noda | Bleh, unstable only has kernel-source-2.5.69 :( |
| 00:12.31 | noda | Hrm, there's a binary of test1 though... |
| 00:19.00 | TheMasterMind1 | so lazy.. |
| 00:24.45 | _Psycho | Nice gcc 3.3 build better than 3.2, i got less errors ;) |
| 00:26.47 | _Psycho | hey while ppl are "around", is it possible to rebuild only the opieplayer2 part off opie |
| 00:26.59 | _Psycho | or i have to do a clean of it and rebuild the full thing ? |
| 00:27.06 | noda | Remove all the .o's? :) |
| 00:27.16 | _Psycho | doesnt the .stamps will stop from building ? |
| 00:27.27 | noda | Oh, probably. Oh well :) |
| 00:27.28 | _Psycho | remove the .opie.binary and the .o off the opieplayer2 ? |
| 00:27.31 | _Psycho | gah hehe |
| 00:27.33 | _Psycho | oh well |
| 00:27.36 | _Psycho | like yu said |
| 00:27.45 | _Psycho | i disabled it earlier thats the only thing that was not building |
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| 01:55.54 | _Psycho | rebuilding opie make me cry ;) |
| 01:55.56 | _Psycho | ITs so long |
| 01:56.45 | noidd | hehe |
| 01:56.53 | noidd | you doing opie in buildroot? |
| 01:56.57 | _Psycho | yeah |
| 01:56.59 | _Psycho | well its 0.99 |
| 01:56.59 | noidd | mind if i ask you a question? :-) |
| 01:57.04 | _Psycho | it worked fine |
| 01:57.12 | _Psycho | except opieplayer2, thats why i rebuild it |
| 01:57.13 | _Psycho | gcc 3.3 |
| 01:57.15 | _Psycho | yes go ahead |
| 01:57.15 | noidd | in Network proggie |
| 01:57.20 | noidd | do you see WEP options? |
| 01:57.27 | _Psycho | in make menuconfig ? |
| 01:57.32 | _Psycho | oh |
| 01:57.35 | noidd | no, in the application itself |
| 01:57.40 | _Psycho | well i didnt flashed anything yet |
| 01:57.46 | _Psycho | its still building |
| 01:58.27 | treke|laptop | _Psycho: installccache |
| 01:58.30 | _Psycho | i bet another 30 min ;) |
| 01:58.33 | _Psycho | not enough space treke |
| 01:58.46 | _Psycho | i only have like 5gigs, and like oz itself take 3 |
| 01:58.50 | treke|laptop | bah |
| 01:59.01 | treke|laptop | ccache only needs 200 megs or so |
| 01:59.20 | noidd | I can get my stuff tow ork ok using shell, iwconfig wlan0 enc 897a87bab etc |
| 01:59.26 | _Psycho | i plan to change my hd or something in futur i just wait a bit |
| 01:59.36 | noidd | but i'm missing the gui bit - I just wanna know why |
| 01:59.45 | _Psycho | i resized my partition twice already, but getting maxed kinda |
| 01:59.51 | noidd | wondering if the version of nwtrok app is ip only |
| 02:00.03 | noidd | i rmemeber back when wireless config and ip config were in two different apps |
| 02:00.09 | noidd | so wonder if i've gone and done that |
| 02:01.40 | _Psycho | i tried to fix opieplayer2 on Harlekin advice, hope it work |
| 02:02.56 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 02:03.28 | _Psycho | Ohhhh heeh |
| 02:03.52 | _Psycho | oh the moment of truth |
| 02:06.42 | _Psycho | cool it worked, just by adding a #include <assert.h> ;) |
| 02:06.56 | _Psycho | too bad he is offline, i cant thanks him ;) |
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| 02:11.30 | bipolar | I guess I'll have to start building the unstable feed's opie with tslib support. :) |
| 02:12.22 | treke|laptop | same here |
| 02:13.22 | bipolar | I tried using my gcc3 feed with the test kernel, and the TS is nonfuntional. :P |
| 02:15.44 | noidd | i'm scaredf of gcc3 :-/ |
| 02:16.06 | _Psycho | im want a gcc3.3 image just for the speed |
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| 02:26.25 | cyn2 | hopefully this week without power will be coming to an end |
| 02:27.29 | cyn2 | on the plus side, i got bluetooth working on my laptop, and made extensive use of the desks and power outlets at my local library |
| 02:31.06 | W8TVI | heh |
| 02:31.37 | W8TVI | now if only they'd hurry up and get public 802.11b access t our library |
| 02:31.53 | cyn2 | ya know |
| 02:31.58 | cyn2 | i didn't even bother to see if they had it |
| 02:32.07 | cyn2 | I find myself more productive without internet on some levels |
| 02:32.26 | cyn2 | if i'm doing something I already know, it's 'relatively' faster without internet |
| 02:32.44 | cyn2 | depending on if i hit a problem that needs a solution looked up and if i have a book etc. |
| 02:32.50 | W8TVI | I know the sys admin at the library |
| 02:33.06 | W8TVI | he's working on them with getting public access |
| 02:33.33 | W8TVI | swap "with" & "on" |
| 02:44.51 | treke|la1top | bipolar: Dont bother :) |
| 02:45.01 | bipolar | treke|la1top: doesn't boot, right? |
| 02:45.10 | treke|la1top | bipolar: Last I heard, ithe touch screen is completly broken |
| 02:45.41 | bipolar | treke|la1top: ts_calibrate/ts_test works. |
| 02:45.52 | bipolar | treke|la1top: is there something else? |
| 02:46.16 | treke|la1top | dunno. Kergoth might have fixed it |
| 02:48.38 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: "work" |
| 02:48.40 | TheMasterMind1 | they're not usable |
| 02:49.00 | treke|la1top | someone want to get me a drink? |
| 02:49.01 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: the builds kergoth did of .21 are gcc 3.3 |
| 02:49.05 | TheMasterMind1 | and they boot on the 5500 |
| 02:49.13 | bipolar | yay! |
| 02:49.27 | TheMasterMind1 | ts kinda works, but fluctuates too much to be usable |
| 02:49.28 | bipolar | hmmm... I should use 3.3.then, not 3.2 |
| 02:49.36 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: theres a toolchain on the site |
| 02:49.36 | treke|la1top | boot and work are two different things :) |
| 02:49.44 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|la1top: heh, ok then, it works |
| 02:49.59 | TheMasterMind1 | most of it anyway |
| 02:50.27 | treke|la1top | cool |
| 02:50.42 | treke|la1top | time to write a program to set the System bit on this handwriting set |
| 02:50.45 | TheMasterMind1 | jeez, lkml gets a lot of spam |
| 02:51.08 | treke|la1top | I'm surprised they dont run it through spamassassin or spamprobe |
| 03:00.10 | bipolar | holy shit the 3.3 toolchain is huge |
| 03:00.16 | beattie | trying to complie 2.4.21 I get "arm-linux-ld: Error: io.o uses hard floating point, whereas kernel.o uses soft floating point |
| 03:00.32 | bipolar | beattie: what compiler? |
| 03:00.45 | beattie | 2.95 I believe |
| 03:00.51 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: use 3.3 |
| 03:00.54 | TheMasterMind1 | only works with 3.3 for now |
| 03:00.55 | bipolar | beattie: I *think* thats your problem |
| 03:01.02 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: working on mmcsd stuff? |
| 03:01.07 | beattie | damn |
| 03:01.16 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: there's a 3.3 toolchain on the site |
| 03:01.21 | TheMasterMind1 | openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ |
| 03:01.24 | beattie | tryting to, though I tink I'll go back to 2.4.19 |
| 03:01.28 | treke|la1top | hehe |
| 03:01.34 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: whys that? |
| 03:01.48 | bipolar | the 3.3 toolchain is twice as big as the 2.95 one. |
| 03:02.02 | beattie | I like to work on the problem, not the meta-problem |
| 03:02.49 | beattie | trying to hit a moving target is a pain |
| 03:03.04 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 03:03.04 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 03:07.04 | beattie | is there documentation on how to install and use the 3.3 toolchain? |
| 03:07.33 | TheMasterMind1 | its like all the other toolchains |
| 03:07.51 | TheMasterMind1 | cd /usr/local/arm; untar; export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/3.3/bin |
| 03:07.54 | TheMasterMind1 | all done |
| 03:08.37 | beattie | make will foind an use it? |
| 03:08.53 | chouimat | night |
| 03:08.53 | beattie | PATH right |
| 03:25.45 | noidd | muhaha, new toy nearly ready for buildroot :-D |
| 03:25.53 | noidd | bbiab - just gonna add finishing touches. |
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| 03:29.41 | bipolar | noidd: what is it? |
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| 03:31.28 | absentiaZ | hi from Zaurus |
| 03:33.10 | bipolar | absentiaZ: we can't hear you.... :p |
| 03:34.14 | cyn | rez |
| 03:34.16 | cyn | power am back :) |
| 03:37.22 | absentiaZ | then I will type louder. |
| 03:45.15 | beattie | absentiaZ: too loud I can't understand you |
| 03:49.49 | noidd | bipolar - it parses Makefiles in old buildroot and does "stuff" with the variables |
| 03:50.19 | noidd | first thing it does is check that sources are styill available and screams when new versions are available or current version disapears |
| 03:50.35 | noidd | second thing its going to do is spit out skeleton .oe files |
| 03:50.49 | noidd | i'm nearly complete with the first part |
| 03:56.47 | bipolar | noidd: sounds cool |
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| 04:08.11 | noidd | hehe |
| 04:08.14 | noidd | keep at it :- |
| 04:11.20 | bipolar | no space left on device |
| 04:11.22 | bipolar | sheesh |
| 04:11.29 | treke|la1top | bleh |
| 04:11.40 | treke|la1top | I hope my opie install just magically bit the dust |
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| 04:27.33 | Masticator | wazzaa. |
| 04:29.49 | treke|la1top | Masticator: Opie 1.0 this week |
| 04:29.55 | Masticator | nice. |
| 04:29.57 | Masticator | congrats. |
| 04:30.08 | treke|la1top | the deadline for patches is tonight |
| 04:30.42 | Masticator | I havent played with an Opie build for a while.a |
| 04:30.49 | Masticator | are we gonna release an OZ with opie 1.0? |
| 04:30.59 | treke|la1top | Seems likely |
| 04:31.07 | treke|la1top | if not 1.0.1/1.0 |
| 04:31.10 | treke|la1top | er 1.1 |
| 04:31.36 | W8TVI | treke|la1top: did ya get the handwriting thing fixed? |
| 04:32.32 | treke|la1top | not yet |
| 04:33.01 | W8TVI | :( |
| 04:33.03 | treke|la1top | W8TVI: the "fix" is simple. Remove the graffiti character set |
| 04:33.38 | treke|la1top | and remove the $HOME/Applications/qimpen directory |
| 04:34.02 | W8TVI | thats all? I removed the graffiti set... |
| 04:34.08 | treke|la1top | yes |
| 04:34.09 | treke|la1top | that is it |
| 04:34.49 | W8TVI | well, i'm going to fix it.. |
| 04:35.40 | W8TVI | /root/Applications/qimpen |
| 04:35.48 | W8TVI | hmmm... theres still files there |
| 04:36.27 | W8TVI | one of them says graffiti_asciiupper.qpt.new |
| 04:36.42 | treke|la1top | so? |
| 04:36.52 | treke|la1top | remove them |
| 04:37.05 | W8TVI | just thought you'd might be insterested in knowing... |
| 04:37.58 | W8TVI | do I need to reboot or anything? |
| 04:38.06 | treke|la1top | yes |
| 04:38.08 | W8TVI | ok |
| 04:39.02 | W8TVI | I wish I knew more about linux and could write programs... |
| 04:39.35 | W8TVI | maybe then I could find a job |
| 04:40.44 | W8TVI | werid... I removed that directory and the files, and rebooted, and its still acting up |
| 04:41.37 | W8TVI | some hoe\w I didn't get the qimpen dir... |
| 04:43.41 | W8TVI | why don't the full reset button wipe the ram drive under OZ? |
| 04:44.10 | W8TVI | I've used the full reset button something like 6 or 7 times and haven't lost anything yet |
| 04:44.35 | treke|la1top | W8TVI: because thats how kergoth wanted it |
| 04:44.54 | W8TVI | I'm not complianing... |
| 04:45.11 | W8TVI | just wondered why it does in one and not the other |
| 04:45.35 | treke|la1top | sharp rom and oz work differently. It's by design |
| 04:45.42 | W8TVI | k |
| 04:46.38 | W8TVI | should this thing be recreating the $HOME/Applications/qimpen dir every time I reboot the Z? |
| 04:46.43 | treke|la1top | yes |
| 04:47.41 | W8TVI | what you told me to do, didn't fix the problem on mine... |
| 04:48.08 | W8TVI | it doesn't clear the lines after 500ms |
| 04:48.16 | W8TVI | and stays black |
| 04:48.38 | W8TVI | where else should i look? |
| 04:48.55 | W8TVI | it doesn't lock it up |
| 04:49.02 | treke|la1top | dunno |
| 04:49.37 | W8TVI | and I can tap on the button that brings the handwriting window up and it'll go away |
| 04:50.15 | W8TVI | and hitting the setting button makes it crash |
| 04:50.17 | treke|la1top | dunno |
| 04:51.04 | W8TVI | where are the settings for opie-handwriting kept? |
| 04:51.09 | W8TVI | and whats it called? |
| 04:51.28 | treke|la1top | you've erased them. |
| 04:53.26 | W8TVI | hmm... brb |
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| 04:59.45 | treke|la1top | ~lart handwriting |
| 04:59.45 | W8TVI | hey treke |
| 05:00.20 | W8TVI | under $HOME/Settings there are handwriting conf files |
| 05:00.59 | W8TVI | and there is still one for the graffiti on mine... |
| 05:00.59 | treke|la1top | correct |
| 05:01.16 | treke|la1top | but they should not have any effect if you arent using graffiti |
| 05:01.29 | W8TVI | it still might... |
| 05:01.36 | W8TVI | I've seen werider things |
| 05:03.00 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 05:03.15 | W8TVI | in handwriting.conf it says: |
| 05:03.25 | W8TVI | Profile = Graffiti |
| 05:03.33 | W8TVI | I bet thats my problem |
| 05:04.33 | W8TVI | is the name of the default set "default" or "Default"? |
| 05:04.50 | treke|la1top | remove the file |
| 05:05.13 | W8TVI | handwriting.conf? |
| 05:05.19 | treke|la1top | yes |
| 05:05.20 | W8TVI | just want to be sure |
| 05:06.45 | W8TVI | well.. lets see if that did it |
| 05:07.43 | W8TVI | what is the OZ mascot suppost to be? |
| 05:08.12 | W8TVI | yes! it works |
| 05:08.41 | W8TVI | and I can even bring up the settings window |
| 05:09.01 | treke|la1top | hmmm |
| 05:09.06 | treke|la1top | this seems to have worked |
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| 05:09.28 | W8TVI | so I helped to fix a problem? |
| 05:09.33 | treke|la1top | no' |
| 05:09.37 | W8TVI | ;p |
| 05:09.42 | W8TVI | er.. |
| 05:09.44 | W8TVI | :P |
| 05:11.28 | W8TVI | so what seemed to have worked? |
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| 05:12.12 | treke|la1top | fuck fuck fuck |
| 05:12.28 | treke|la1top | It no longer works since I just deleted it |
| 05:12.30 | W8TVI | that word isn't in there |
| 05:12.36 | W8TVI | ? |
| 05:12.41 | W8TVI | werid |
| 05:14.11 | W8TVI | you did what I did? |
| 05:15.59 | W8TVI | all I deleted was the handwriting-graffiti.conf, the contents of the qimpen and handwriting.conf |
| 05:16.27 | treke|la1top | no |
| 05:16.42 | treke|la1top | I deleted the utility I've spent the past hour trying to get working |
| 05:16.50 | treke|la1top | 5 minutes after I got it working |
| 05:17.16 | W8TVI | ouch |
| 05:18.40 | bipolar | guess it's time for sleep for me. 1:15am ;P |
| 05:18.43 | bipolar | gnight. |
| 05:19.18 | W8TVI | night |
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| 05:20.54 | billytwowilly | is it possible to write SD cards from linux? |
| 05:21.07 | treke|la1top | yes |
| 05:21.11 | treke|la1top | on some devices |
| 05:21.25 | billytwowilly | a writer I haven't purchased yet. |
| 05:21.28 | billytwowilly | probably usb. |
| 05:21.31 | treke|la1top | maybe |
| 05:21.40 | billytwowilly | can you point me to any info? |
| 05:21.44 | treke|la1top | no |
| 05:21.56 | billytwowilly | google is useless (or maybe I'm not asking it the right questions...) |
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| 06:25.49 | _Psycho | ibot: oz |
| 06:25.50 | | well, oz is see openzaurus or http://www.openzaurus.org/ or /join #openzaurus |
| 06:25.52 | _Psycho | ibot: bk oz |
| 06:25.53 | | [oz bk] bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
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| 07:27.02 | funkyjoe | hello everybody. I updated my builroot-oz and done a mrproper after it, but now compiling fails after the cvs download of mtd with a missing zlib.h!?!? |
| 07:29.38 | treke|home | sounds like a bad toolchain |
| 07:30.58 | funkyjoe | i've the 2.95.4, 3.2 and 3.3 installed under /space/cross/2.95.4 or.../3.2 and so on. how could i verify this? |
| 07:33.08 | treke|home | put them in /usr/local/arm |
| 07:41.51 | funkyjoe | trekelhome: i moved everything to /usr/local/arm . changed the path in buildparameter to /usr/local/arm should there be an ending / or not? and change the gcc3 version to 3.3. but it still did not work. |
| 07:42.29 | treke|home | well, then your probably sol until someone else shows up |
| 07:43.41 | andersee | funkyjoe: install the zlib dev package on your build system |
| 07:47.46 | funkyjoe | andresee: ok. i check it... |
| 07:49.30 | funkyjoe | andresee: that's it f**k. thanks so far. |
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| 08:33.13 | Twiun | hi guys |
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| 09:02.59 | cmartin | hi mickeyl |
| 09:03.45 | cmartin | mickeyl: just rebuilt the kernel (2.4.21-rmk1) - should preempt be activated? |
| 09:05.29 | cmartin | mickeyl: any other major changes in buildroot (over the weekend) that I should rebuild? |
| 09:07.35 | cmartin | mickeyl: BTW: how can i commit my changes to buildroot? I won't break anything, but there are things like ipkg.conf and inittab where i made some changes |
| 09:08.05 | cmartin | mickeyl: i don't want to get on your nerves with such changes, you have better things to do |
| 09:09.23 | cmartin | mickeyl: i've also started preparing directories on the server for the new feeds - i'm going away from the "3.3.1" versioning scheme - the next one will be 0.8.1 |
| 09:10.05 | cmartin | mickeyl: i also want to make the division in base, opie, x and experimental feeds |
| 09:18.22 | mickeyl | cmartin: hi |
| 09:18.31 | mickeyl | cmartin: PREEMPT is untested. disable it for your build |
| 09:18.50 | mickeyl | cmartin: send your RSA1 key to kergoth |
| 09:18.55 | mickeyl | cmartin: to get bk access |
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| 09:33.06 | cmartin | mickeyl: do you mean SSH or GPG key? |
| 09:34.13 | mickeyl | cmartin: SSH |
| 09:36.35 | cmartin | k |
| 09:37.22 | mickeyl | cmartin: be sure it is ssh v1. bitkeeper doesn't work with rsa2 |
| 09:37.30 | mickeyl | s/ssh/rsa |
| 09:41.59 | cmartin | mickeyl: already sent identity.pub - i have rsa2 and dsa keys, but I sent the rsa1 key |
| 09:42.34 | cmartin | mickeyl: did you see the article in the c't? |
| 09:43.33 | cmartin | mickeyl: looks good to me except for the comment about the battery liftime being worse than notebooks - i haven't ever had a notebook run for 5 hours without attaching AC |
| 09:44.20 | cmartin | mickeyl: but i presume this applies to the T-Sinus Pad - maybe they have a different battery type |
| 09:44.30 | mickeyl | cmartin: my c't didn't appear this weekend :( |
| 09:44.55 | mickeyl | cmartin: ah yes, the T-Sinus has a much weaker battery |
| 09:45.32 | mickeyl | we may have pretty much more user interest after this article :) |
| 09:45.39 | cmartin | mickeyl: what - i had over 500 hits on the HP on Sat. and on Sun. each - which means the subscribers of the c't must have recieved thier issues on sat. |
| 09:46.04 | mickeyl | yeah. normally i get it on saturday... no idea what happened this weekend. |
| 09:47.53 | cmartin | mickeyl: it's a 2-page article with about 1/3 about OpenSimpad |
| 09:50.19 | mickeyl | cmartin: did they drop our names or just the website? |
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| 09:55.40 | zecke | ibot: seen schurig |
| 09:55.40 | | schurig <~schurig@pD951AD58.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 5d 20h 5m 41s ago, saying: 'bk revtool ditto'. |
| 10:10.05 | cmartin | mickeyl: my name was mentioned as being the first porter of Opie to the Simpad, other than that only the HP is mentioned, which i didn't expect |
| 10:10.52 | cmartin | mickeyl: i did mentioned all the involved persons, but they must have cut the article or the author forgot to mention everybody |
| 10:12.23 | killefiz | cmartin: the article is published now? That probably makes it much harder to buy a simpad now ... |
| 10:13.13 | cmartin | killefiz: hi |
| 10:13.45 | cmartin | killefiz: yes, it's in the current c't written by Gunter Hille on page 190 |
| 10:14.09 | killefiz | cmartin: hmm - i got my c't on saturday but didn't notice the article yet |
| 10:14.19 | killefiz | cmartin: do you know of any place that still has stock on simpads? |
| 10:14.26 | cmartin | killefiz: page 190 |
| 10:15.18 | cmartin | killefiz: i only see them on ebay - i haven't seen any Saturns or MediaMarkts that have them anymore |
| 10:18.28 | cmartin | killefiz: most people seem interrested in the T-Sinus Pad since some T-Punkts have the for ~199 EUR |
| 10:18.56 | killefiz | cmartin: 16MB flash? |
| 10:19.17 | cmartin | killefiz: this probably mean will start getting more and more questions like "when's bootloader for CL4/T-Sinus coming out?" |
| 10:19.55 | killefiz | didnt juergen promise a bootloader yesterday? |
| 10:19.58 | mickeyl | LAB is the future. we need the people to go LAB |
| 10:20.14 | mickeyl | ibot: pester siemens kernel coders |
| 10:20.15 | | siemens kernel coders: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 10:20.19 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 10:20.42 | killefiz | mickeyl: do you see any problems with enabling preemt for the simpad kernel? |
| 10:20.48 | cmartin | mickeyl: do you think LAB will function on the SIMpad? |
| 10:22.31 | mickeyl | killefiz: didn't test it yet, hehe |
| 10:23.11 | killefiz | mickeyl: if i get buildroot to compile i'll give it a try |
| 10:23.32 | cmartin | killefiz, mickeyl: i'm in the process of building an image now |
| 10:23.33 | mickeyl | cmartin: sure. LAB is the next generation bootloader from CRL and since it's in development now, it would be reasonable to join the project. |
| 10:24.57 | cmartin | mickeyl: i'm getting a dependency error with hostap_modules - which packages have to be rebuilt after rebuilding the 2.4.21 kernel? |
| 10:29.56 | mickeyl | oznew hostap && oznew orinoco-0.13 && oznew serial-keyboard |
| 10:30.24 | mickeyl | basically everything which involves externally compiled kernel modules |
| 10:30.36 | mickeyl | which is the three i mentioned and maybe lirc or so |
| 10:32.50 | cmartin | these are the packages i had to rebuild to get an image to build properly - hostap, pcmcia-cs, orinoco, orinoco-0.13, serial-keyboard |
| 10:34.07 | cmartin | serial-keyboard does'nt install in the image since input-modules seem to be excluded from the kernel config - those weren't rebuilt with the kernel |
| 10:34.54 | cmartin | but i got an image now (with preempt) lets get that on the pad and see what happens ;-) |
| 10:35.36 | mickeyl | hehe, good. guinea pig |
| 10:36.20 | cmartin | yes, that's how i feel - but i was the guinea pig for the jffs2 stuff, too - i'm used to it now ;-) |
| 10:36.26 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 10:37.02 | mickeyl | btw. - i added an option to kernel cmdline which should improve jffs2 handling (delete_orphaned_inodes) |
| 10:37.51 | cmartin | mickeyl: yes i saw that - that's why i was so excited about getting this image built - i wanted to see what that does |
| 10:38.43 | cmartin | maybe this fixes a few problems some of those users were having with installing images - maybe it's really a jffs2 situation |
| 10:39.28 | mickeyl | yeah, could be. |
| 10:40.25 | mickeyl | before 0.8.1 release we must disable sound handling in opie |
| 10:40.55 | cmartin | mickeyl: why? |
| 10:41.47 | mickeyl | because of the noises. when you touch the touchscreen, the simpad emits strange noises in current images. |
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| 10:41.59 | mickeyl | this is due to some weired audio handling |
| 10:42.05 | mickeyl | at least, that's what I believe |
| 10:42.08 | cmartin | mickeyl: will sound be deactivated altogether? |
| 10:42.32 | mickeyl | no, just for Opie-Launcher. Applications like mediaplayer use /dev/dsp directly. that will still work. |
| 10:43.15 | cmartin | BTW: what does jffs2_orphaned_inodes=delete do? would this maybe get rid of the need to erase flash before installing an image? |
| 10:43.43 | cmartin | ok, but the Opie sounds will not function, right? |
| 10:43.57 | mickeyl | cmartin: iirc it is a crash-recovery+optimization setting. will have to ask dwmw2 to be sure. |
| 10:44.12 | mickeyl | cmartin: yes. opie sounds will be deactivated. they don't work properly on SIMpad yet anyway. |
| 10:44.19 | cmartin | yes |
| 10:47.52 | cmartin | so jetzt gibt Futter - i'll let you know after lunch if the image works |
| 10:48.04 | mickeyl | good |
| 10:48.06 | mickeyl | guten abo |
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| 11:28.35 | funkyjoe | has somebody an idea why the ffmpeg libavcodec cvs checkout does not work? how could i compile, get the source of the libavcodec ??? |
| 11:42.01 | cmartin | mickeyl|lunch: 2.4.21-rmk1 boots - ide modules have unresolved symbols though |
| 11:42.17 | cmartin | mickeyl|lunch: that means CF-Memory cards don't mount |
| 11:43.07 | cmartin | mickeyl|lunch: i was afraid of this since i read on the arm linux list that ide has been completely reorganised in 2.4.21 |
| 11:43.43 | chouimat | morning |
| 11:47.05 | effy-kun | morning |
| 11:56.18 | mickeyl | cmartin: might be a ccache problem. |
| 11:56.39 | mickeyl | cmartin: noticed anything in UI re. preemptible? |
| 11:57.11 | kenb | .. |
| 11:57.18 | mickeyl | funkyjoe: try again until it works. sourceforge anonymous cvs checkout is limited |
| 11:57.37 | mickeyl | hi chouimat - how's life? |
| 11:58.45 | chouimat | mickeyl: not so bad missed some deadline but the application is working ... wait must remove the cat he's in front of one of my speaker and he's cut the sound |
| 11:59.03 | cmartin | mickeyl: what should i notice? |
| 12:00.02 | mickeyl | cmartin: more smoothness. better reaction. |
| 12:00.10 | mickeyl | chouimat: hehe :) |
| 12:00.11 | cmartin | mickeyl: have an idea how i can tell if the kernel problem is a ccache problem |
| 12:00.22 | mickeyl | cmartin: no idea except rebuilding. |
| 12:00.36 | mickeyl | after rm -rf $CCACHEDIR of course |
| 12:00.37 | mickeyl | :) |
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| 12:02.12 | cmartin | mickeyl: ooh, that would destroy the advantages of ccache for all apps altogether - can't i just tell ccache to ignore things for a specific app (or the kernel)? |
| 12:03.00 | mickeyl | cmartin: sure. just edit packages/kernel-simpad/Makefile and override $(CC) with arm-linux-gcc |
| 12:03.20 | cmartin | mickeyl: in respect to preempt - i can't notice any better performance |
| 12:03.32 | mickeyl | that's not what i wanted to hear : |
| 12:03.33 | mickeyl | ) |
| 12:03.42 | cmartin | i know |
| 12:03.44 | mickeyl | however... I'm happy if the kernel still works |
| 12:03.50 | mickeyl | i had to adapt the patch |
| 12:05.52 | mickeyl | oh oh... finally getting old? |
| 12:06.32 | chouimat | mickeyl: yup and I'm not oldI'm still young and at that speed I will be gray at 33 |
| 12:09.44 | mickeyl | chouimat: ouch. well... /me is 31 and i have yet to develop the first gray hair... puuh... at least one case where i have luck ;) |
| 12:10.57 | chouimat | mickeyl: /me 29 and I looked liked this 3.5 years ago: http://ulyx.ath.cx/photo.jpg |
| 12:12.32 | mickeyl | on which occasion has this photo been taken? |
| 12:12.43 | cmartin | chouimat: well as far as i can see you won't get too many gray hairs ;) (not meant as an insult) |
| 12:12.44 | chouimat | mickeyl: graduation |
| 12:13.36 | chouimat | cmartin: http://ulyx.ath.cx/bob2.jpg look in the red thing I wear |
| 12:14.12 | cmartin | hehe |
| 12:14.26 | cmartin | i thought you just meant your head |
| 12:14.56 | chouimat | cmartin: I don't have any hair left .... (well I save them) |
| 12:15.12 | mickeyl | nice cat |
| 12:15.22 | cmartin | or you paste them to your chest - hehe |
| 12:15.38 | chouimat | ~lart cmartin |
| 12:15.43 | chouimat | ;) |
| 12:16.36 | cmartin | oh nothing newer than Solaris 7 - i would have at least deserved a Solaris 8 or 9 CD :) |
| 12:17.04 | chouimat | http://slashdot.org/articles/03/07/27/228213.shtml?tid=137&tid=159&tid=186 |
| 12:18.15 | chouimat | mickeyl: speaking oat he's now purring on my lap |
| 12:18.54 | chouimat | s/oat/cat |
| 12:26.10 | effy-kun | anyone have ERWin for databases? |
| 12:35.29 | cmartin | mickeyl: why is opie-login automatically installed in BRANCH? I didn't activate it in make image_menuconfig, but it's installed everytime |
| 12:35.46 | mickeyl | no ide |
| 12:35.47 | mickeyl | a |
| 12:35.58 | mickeyl | might be an error in opie |
| 12:36.01 | mickeyl | buildroot |
| 12:36.11 | Harlekin | opie-login is mandotory now |
| 12:36.16 | Harlekin | treke |
| 12:36.39 | Harlekin | mandatory |
| 12:39.32 | mickeyl | ah, that explains. thanx |
| 12:40.20 | Harlekin | config via security applet |
| 12:40.31 | Harlekin | that reminds me that we should make that a default to |
| 12:40.38 | Harlekin | everyone who wants to sync needs it anyway |
| 12:43.28 | cmartin | Harlekin: why make opie-login mandatory? |
| 12:43.50 | Harlekin | less issues with scripts and paths |
| 12:43.57 | cmartin | huh |
| 12:43.58 | Harlekin | cmartin: you can allways deaktivate it |
| 12:44.01 | Harlekin | cmartin: multiuser |
| 12:44.13 | Harlekin | cmartin: like default not root |
| 12:45.03 | cmartin | Harlekin: yes i understand that, but be honest who uses thier PDA or webpad in a multi-user environment? except the fact that you may not want to login as root |
| 12:45.15 | Harlekin | yes |
| 12:45.18 | Harlekin | that is the point |
| 12:45.19 | Harlekin | nonroot |
| 12:45.23 | Harlekin | quite some requested it |
| 12:45.34 | Harlekin | and it was a permanent cause for bugreports |
| 12:45.48 | Harlekin | where is the problem with it installed |
| 12:46.01 | cmartin | Harlekin: why not have something like autologin with a non-root user account? |
| 12:46.16 | Harlekin | thats possible |
| 12:46.19 | Harlekin | should be default mode |
| 12:46.27 | Harlekin | that you dont even see opie-login |
| 12:46.47 | cmartin | i don't want a login screen on my webpad |
| 12:46.57 | Harlekin | then just turn it of |
| 12:46.59 | Harlekin | off |
| 12:47.37 | cmartin | Harlekin: this contradicts the "install what you want" theory |
| 12:47.44 | Harlekin | ? |
| 12:48.12 | cmartin | it just takes up space and IMHO if somebody wants it they can install it, but not default as in mandatory |
| 12:48.34 | Harlekin | talk to treke |
| 12:49.53 | cmartin | we're trying to save as much space as possible so users with less Flash can install our images and then non-mandatory software is installed per default |
| 12:50.09 | Harlekin | then dont put it into the iamge |
| 12:50.54 | cmartin | Harlekin: that's exactly what i said - i didn't activate it in make image_menuconfig, but it's installed in the image anyways |
| 12:51.04 | Harlekin | so change buildroot |
| 12:52.02 | cmartin | may do that |
| 12:52.11 | cmartin | at least for the simpad |
| 12:53.20 | cmartin | Harlekin: BTW: that with the default mode and not seeing opie-login is not true - the start script says if opie-login is there then start it |
| 12:53.52 | Harlekin | yeah, but it should not see it |
| 12:53.57 | Harlekin | how old is your opie |
| 13:00.38 | Harlekin | isnt there another tiny glibc implementation? |
| 13:00.48 | mickeyl | you mean besides uclibc ? |
| 13:01.14 | mickeyl | no idea. but uclibc is probably the best compromise in size and features compared to "the real thing" |
| 13:02.26 | mickeyl | just started a SIMpad build with uclibc... pretty curious to see how big the packages will be... |
| 13:02.44 | mickeyl | and if it will build anyway *cough* |
| 13:05.04 | mickeyl | hmm... |
| 13:05.06 | mickeyl | ping andersee |
| 13:05.11 | mickeyl | ibot: seen andersee |
| 13:05.12 | | andersee <~andersee@codepoet.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 5h 19m 37s ago, saying: 'psypete: morning'. |
| 13:05.32 | Harlekin | hmm, gcc3.4 seems to become a _really_ picky compiler |
| 13:06.09 | mickeyl | good for us |
| 13:06.27 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 13:06.27 | mickeyl | better than sloppy coding style |
| 13:06.39 | Harlekin | dirk müller was active yesterday |
| 13:06.52 | absentia | hey mickeyl ... I think I'm gonna try to get pyqt to zaurus (sharp) tonight. |
| 13:06.56 | cmartin | Harlekin: my opie is from sometime last week - why shouldn't it be seen? if the script finds the opie-login binary then it's seen or is it installed somewhere else now? |
| 13:07.02 | mickeyl | absentia: good. report your findings, ples. |
| 13:07.05 | Harlekin | tronical: you can allready start with khtml / qt3e -) |
| 13:07.06 | absentia | ok |
| 13:07.18 | absentia | I think I should just figure out how to package netfront so i can run it under oz |
| 13:07.20 | tronical | Harlekin: oh? what happened? (I'm a bit out of the loop atm) |
| 13:07.22 | absentia | so I can just go to oz and be done with it. |
| 13:07.26 | Harlekin | tronical: release soon |
| 13:07.27 | absentia | but I'll try fisrft with sharp |
| 13:07.31 | absentia | my sharp is getting sicker and sicker |
| 13:07.31 | tronical | Harlekin: yay |
| 13:07.32 | Harlekin | tronical: so big switch soon too |
| 13:07.50 | absentia | now, when I open the popup keyboard when the screen is in "tall" orientation -- the machine crashes and reboots! |
| 13:07.58 | absentia | what error[s] are you getting ? |
| 13:08.04 | absentia | wrong channel, sorry. |
| 13:23.26 | mickeyl | cmartin: hmm... why does a reboot kill the hwclock? |
| 13:23.33 | mickeyl | as in resets it |
| 13:24.04 | mickeyl | hmm... possibly synching system clock with hwclock on shutdown is missing |
| 13:32.22 | cmartin | mickeyl: as far as i remember correctly hwclock is always reset on reboot |
| 13:33.13 | cmartin | mickeyl: this is why there was an effort in the X-Image to write the last date to a file, so that the clock isn't too far off |
| 13:33.49 | cmartin | mickeyl: the same is with CE |
| 13:34.34 | mickeyl | hmm... question is, _who_ resets hwclock. bootloader or hardware ? |
| 13:34.39 | mickeyl | argh |
| 13:34.53 | cmartin | donno - ask juergen |
| 13:34.55 | mickeyl | arm-linux-g++ -c -I/compile/simpad-uclibc/build/qt-2.3.5/include -pipe -DQT_QWS_SIMPAD -DQT_QWS_IPAQ -DQT_QWS_DEVFS -DQWS -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -Wall -W -DNO_DEBUG -fPIC -DQT_NO_IMAGEIO_MNG -fpermissive -DQT_NO_QWS_VOODOO3 -DQT_NO_QWS_MACH64 -DQT_NO_QWS_MATROX -DQT_NO_QWS_VFB -DQT_NO_QWS_VGA_16 -DQT_NO_QWS_DEPTH_4 -DQT_NO_QWS_DEPTH_8 -DQT_NO_QWS_DEPTH_24 -DQT_NO_QWS_DEPTH_32 -DQT_BUILTIN_GIF_READER=1 -DQT_NO_IMAGEIO_MNG |
| 13:34.55 | mickeyl | tools/qdatetime.cpp: In member function `virtual QString QDate::monthName(int) |
| 13:34.55 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.55 | mickeyl | tools/qdatetime.cpp:292: error: structure `tt' with uninitialized const members |
| 13:35.12 | mickeyl | hmmm |
| 13:38.33 | cmartin | mickeyl: how do i turn off sound handlers in opie - what would i have to set in the Makefile? |
| 13:39.54 | mickeyl | dunno for sure, but you might try patching $OPIEDIR/qt/qconfig-qpe.h |
| 13:39.58 | mickeyl | just add one line to it |
| 13:40.29 | mickeyl | #define QT_NO_SOUND |
| 13:40.35 | mickeyl | then recompile qt and opie |
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| 13:41.41 | cmartin | can't we set that in the packages/opie/Makefile or packages/qte/Makefile? |
| 13:42.16 | cmartin | -DQT_NO_SOUND or something like that |
| 13:46.47 | mickeyl | aw no, that's not the clean way |
| 13:46.56 | mickeyl | the clean way is to define it in qconfig-qpe.h |
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| 15:09.43 | Masticator | http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/1679.htm |
| 15:09.53 | Masticator | mrs telephone voice is dead. |
| 15:09.57 | Masticator | and so is bob hope. |
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| 15:47.31 | bipolar | awefuly quiet in here.... |
| 15:53.12 | mickeyl | bipolar: then make some noise ;) |
| 15:53.31 | mickeyl | any ts news? |
| 15:54.51 | lsmith | have there been reports of zaurus's simply not waking up anymore? |
| 15:58.14 | mithro | just need to put in on power for 5-10 minutes before it'll turn on... |
| 15:59.01 | lsmith | i have a 5500 and it suddenly doesnt want to wake up anymore since over a week now |
| 16:00.56 | TheMasterMind1 | morning |
| 16:01.03 | lsmith | but i think it might be a problem with it not getting any power anymore |
| 16:01.19 | lsmith | because the charge icon never lights up anymore either |
| 16:05.29 | bipolar | mickeyl: the ts_calibrate and test progs work fine in the latest images. |
| 16:05.53 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: fine? |
| 16:05.57 | TheMasterMind1 | aren't they really shakey? |
| 16:05.59 | bipolar | I'm having trouble getting qt to compile with 3.3 otherwise I'd have a full image to test a GUI with. |
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| 16:06.22 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: It's shakey, yeah. But single taps work as expected. |
| 16:06.23 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: does ts_test work well enough that you'd be able to draw an image in drawpad with the TS? |
| 16:06.30 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: yea, but thats not good enough |
| 16:06.36 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: heh... doubtful. |
| 16:06.56 | beattie | kergoth`bbl: you there? did you push the mmc/sd bits you said you had? |
| 16:07.02 | cmartin | mickeyl: tried rebuilding qte and opie with that change to qconfig - i get the following error: |
| 16:07.27 | cmartin | cardmon.cpp: In method `bool CardMonitor::getStatusPcmcia(int = FALSE)': |
| 16:07.27 | cmartin | cardmon.cpp:275: `QSound' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 16:07.28 | cmartin | cardmon.cpp:275: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 16:07.29 | cmartin | cardmon.cpp:275: for each function it appears in.) |
| 16:07.29 | cmartin | cardmon.cpp:275: parse error before `::' |
| 16:07.30 | cmartin | cardmon.cpp: In method `bool CardMonitor::getStatusSd(int = FALSE)': |
| 16:07.32 | cmartin | cardmon.cpp:327: parse error before `::' |
| 16:07.34 | cmartin | make[3]: *** [cardmon.o] Error 1 |
| 16:07.59 | cmartin | i even get this after removing the QT_NO_SOUND line |
| 16:08.10 | cmartin | yes i did clear ccache |
| 16:08.16 | mickeyl | cmartin: yup, i know |
| 16:08.31 | mickeyl | cmartin: blame harlekin |
| 16:08.31 | cmartin | bug in cardmon? |
| 16:08.43 | mickeyl | cmartin: he didn't put #ifdef around the QSound usage |
| 16:08.54 | mickeyl | cmartin: solution #ifndef QT_NO_SOUND |
| 16:09.02 | mickeyl | then the two or three lines |
| 16:09.04 | mickeyl | then #endif |
| 16:09.47 | cmartin | where exactly? |
| 16:09.57 | mickeyl | mmh |
| 16:10.37 | mickeyl | ah pretty easy |
| 16:10.40 | cmartin | but i get this even if i don't set the QT_NO_SOUND - so it wouldn't build for anybody, right? |
| 16:11.00 | mickeyl | ?? |
| 16:11.11 | mickeyl | #ifndef QT_NO_SOUND |
| 16:11.12 | mickeyl | QSound::play(Resource::findSound("cardmon/card" + what)); |
| 16:11.13 | mickeyl | #endif |
| 16:11.16 | mickeyl | that's all |
| 16:11.32 | mickeyl | this can be pushed upstream |
| 16:11.39 | Harlekin | no ifdefs |
| 16:11.58 | mickeyl | don |
| 16:12.14 | mickeyl | don't be paranoic. #ifdefs are pretty the best thing for conditional compiling of stuff. |
| 16:12.28 | mickeyl | and this case is a paradabeispiel for the sane usage of #ifdef |
| 16:12.53 | cmartin | mickeyl: i removed the #define QT_NO_SOUND line in qconfig, ran ccache -C and rebuilt - i still get this error - it seems to be a general error |
| 16:13.07 | mickeyl | ?? |
| 16:13.08 | mickeyl | ah no |
| 16:13.12 | mickeyl | too late |
| 16:13.23 | mickeyl | the config is only read during compiliing qte |
| 16:13.31 | cmartin | ah |
| 16:14.05 | cmartin | then i must rebuild qte first - now i see - but why is cardmon so dependant on sound? |
| 16:14.27 | cmartin | Harlekin: ?? |
| 16:14.38 | TheMasterMind1 | its not dependant. it just uses it if its available.. |
| 16:14.39 | Harlekin | cmartin: sandman once told us ifdefs are evil |
| 16:14.40 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 16:14.48 | mickeyl | cmartin: no, don't recompile that stuff |
| 16:14.54 | mickeyl | cmartin: wrap it with #ifndef |
| 16:15.11 | beattie | ifdefs are evil, computers are the devils word |
| 16:15.25 | kergoth`bbl | ifdefs arent evil, abuse of ifdefs is evil |
| 16:15.28 | cmartin | mickeyl: so we will have to patch cardmon.cpp for the simpad, right? |
| 16:15.38 | kergoth`bbl | cmartin: mickey already told you this change can go upstream |
| 16:15.39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: sup |
| 16:15.41 | mickeyl | cmartin: no - we will discuss that it will be pushed upstream |
| 16:15.46 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: hey |
| 16:16.05 | mickeyl | hi kenb |
| 16:16.07 | mickeyl | hi kergoth`bbl |
| 16:16.12 | mickeyl | ~lart tab completion |
| 16:16.33 | Harlekin | mickeyl: as patch in buildroot? |
| 16:16.37 | beattie | kergoth`bbl: did you push those sd/mmc bits? |
| 16:16.38 | Harlekin | mickeyl: does the simpad lacks a soundcard? |
| 16:16.41 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: it seems like the first data point that the ts driver spits out is accurate.. after that it fluctuates and gives correct values only so often. so its definitely a timing issue |
| 16:16.46 | kergoth`bbl | Harlekin: an ifndef around a qt feature belongs in opie upstream |
| 16:16.53 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: ah |
| 16:17.05 | Harlekin | kergoth`bbl: for stuff that is specific to one device? |
| 16:17.05 | SuKoShi | hi |
| 16:17.15 | Harlekin | kergoth`bbl: sandman sure was an other opinion on that |
| 16:17.22 | Harlekin | thats why he started odevice |
| 16:17.34 | cmartin | Harlekin: no, but the opie sound handling doesn't work properly on it |
| 16:18.03 | cmartin | Harlekin: we will have to live with things that deliver sound to /dev/dsp directly for the time being |
| 16:18.22 | Harlekin | cmartin: still i think for code a odevice line would be right |
| 16:18.27 | mickeyl | the usage of QSound has nothing to do with ODevice. |
| 16:18.35 | Harlekin | cmartin: for header includes etc ifdefs |
| 16:18.47 | Harlekin | if ( !simpad ) {} |
| 16:19.02 | mickeyl | QSound is a QT feature and as such we have to enclose it with ifdefs. Are we gonna to do it Qt/Embedded feature set independent or a we not gonna go this way? |
| 16:19.29 | kergoth`bbl | Harlekin: this isnt specific to one device |
| 16:19.37 | kergoth`bbl | Harlekin: i could disable sound in my qt as well |
| 16:21.29 | cmartin | ok so i'll wait until Harlekin puts that #ifndef in cardmon.cpp then rebuild ;-) |
| 16:22.38 | cmartin | i believe this is the correct method also, since every device could define QT_NO_SOUND if the builder chooses |
| 16:22.54 | mickeyl | cmartin: well... do it on your own and continue to build - because then we can see if anything else relies on that feature. |
| 16:23.20 | Harlekin | mickeyl should do that |
| 16:23.22 | TheMasterMind1 | goddamn |
| 16:23.24 | cmartin | k - later though - i gotta go home now |
| 16:23.30 | TheMasterMind1 | my brother took my cf, stuck it in the camera and formatted it |
| 16:23.45 | TheMasterMind1 | #@$%^##$# |
| 16:23.59 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: ouch. |
| 16:24.32 | cmartin | Harlekin: mickeyl means i should do it myself locally, i haven't got the power to make any changes in buildroot or opie CVS - YET ;) |
| 16:24.42 | mickeyl | grrr |
| 16:24.54 | Harlekin | cmartin: yeah, and if it works let mickeyl push it |
| 16:25.05 | mickeyl | xine tries to include iconv.h even if i say --disable-iconv. |
| 16:25.08 | mickeyl | mmh |
| 16:25.11 | cmartin | k |
| 16:25.33 | kergoth | cmartin: you have push access to the upstream oz buildroot repos |
| 16:25.55 | mickeyl | oh oh |
| 16:26.10 | mickeyl | backup your repositories,all |
| 16:26.11 | mickeyl | ;)) |
| 16:26.16 | cmartin | k - thanx kergoth - hehehehe |
| 16:26.20 | bipolar | kergoth: WB |
| 16:26.42 | kergoth | thats antoher thing i love about bk |
| 16:26.50 | mickeyl | ? |
| 16:26.51 | kergoth | if cmartin completely and utterly hoses upstream, we just recloen it |
| 16:26.56 | kergoth | s/recloen/reclone/ |
| 16:27.02 | cmartin | Harlekin: don't worry cardmon.cpp is an opie issue - i have no write access to opie CVS ;) |
| 16:27.03 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:27.13 | mickeyl | hmm... we can clone the thing as it were a few days before? |
| 16:27.27 | kergoth | we can always revert chagnes |
| 16:27.38 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah ok, if at least one has a complete tree, we can reclone to upstream. |
| 16:27.40 | mickeyl | pretty cool |
| 16:27.41 | kergoth | but if he corrupts the upstream metadata, we kill the repos and reclone from one of our recent cloned trees |
| 16:27.44 | kergoth | right |
| 16:27.46 | mickeyl | cvs: do this! |
| 16:27.47 | mickeyl | :D |
| 16:27.57 | kergoth | had to do that once with OZ when our tree got totally hosed |
| 16:28.16 | kergoth | pulled the preempt patch you just put in buildroot into the oz-2.4 tree |
| 16:28.24 | kergoth | i need caffeine |
| 16:28.42 | cmartin | kergoth, mickeyl, Harlekin: don't worry, before I do anything that would affect anything other than the simpad specific stuff, i will ask your opinion first |
| 16:28.48 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah nice :) |
| 16:28.58 | mickeyl | cmartin: ;) |
| 16:29.43 | bipolar | Has anyone gotten QT/e to build with gcc3? |
| 16:29.49 | bipolar | er... gcc 3.3 |
| 16:29.53 | cmartin | bbl |
| 16:29.55 | mickeyl | kergoth: i had to adapt it in two minor places. cmartin built a simpad-kernel with it and it booted and ran. |
| 16:30.02 | mickeyl | cu cmartin |
| 16:30.31 | mickeyl | bipolar: i just built qt-embedded with gcc3.3-uclibc |
| 16:30.35 | Harlekin | bipolar: yes |
| 16:30.44 | bipolar | thanks. |
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| 16:51.41 | *** topic/#openembedded is OpenEmbedded - It Sucks Less!(tm) | News at http://openzaurus.org/ | User support questions in #openzaurus and #openembedded-ipaq | OE Buildroot devs in #buildroot-oe | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?s=5be76b086a395e018104222ab77fc215&act=ST&f=27&t=3668 <- cheap c7x0 with warranty |
| 16:51.47 | kergoth | ibot: wb |
| 16:51.48 | | thx |
| 16:53.15 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:54.04 | Neo|Work | http://yoga.tripod.co.jp/flash/kikkomaso.swf |
| 16:54.12 | mithro | 141 packages of 140 configured? |
| 16:54.31 | mickeyl | ups |
| 16:54.32 | TheMasterMind1 | mithro: heh |
| 16:54.32 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 16:55.45 | beattie | kergoth: you said saturday that you had some sd/mmc bits that you were going to push, did you do that? |
| 16:56.42 | kergoth | nah didnt have a chance, wasnt much to it anyway. just an empty template of a slot driver |
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| 16:57.11 | beattie | ok I thought you had a few bits init'd some of the hardware |
| 16:57.50 | kergoth | I setup and requested an irq |
| 16:57.54 | kergoth | about 3 lines of code |
| 16:58.02 | kergoth | if i have time i pull it upstream today |
| 16:58.09 | beattie | ok |
| 16:58.32 | mickeyl | umm.... |
| 16:58.41 | mickeyl | grr |
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| 16:58.49 | mickeyl | In file included from /usr/local/arm/3.3-uclibc/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:87, |
| 16:58.49 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.50 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.50 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.50 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.01 | mickeyl | usr/local/arm/3.3-uclibc/include/c++/bits/stl_alloc.h:382: error: parse error |
| 16:59.01 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.05 | mickeyl | parse error |
| 16:59.07 | mickeyl | pfff |
| 16:59.19 | mickeyl | andersee: any idea? |
| 16:59.29 | mickeyl | andersee: this is a g++-3.3-uclibc toolchain |
| 16:59.37 | kenb | heh, no wonder. |
| 16:59.55 | kenb | check that there's no , ending the previous line |
| 17:00.05 | bipolar | kergoth: need me to test something? |
| 17:00.08 | bipolar | :) |
| 17:00.09 | kenb | gcc is becoming more and more syntax picky. |
| 17:00.25 | mickeyl | kenb: ok, checking... |
| 17:00.48 | kenb | or paste the lines above + below here. It's probably syntaxish. |
| 17:00.53 | mickeyl | uhh |
| 17:00.58 | mickeyl | strange stuff |
| 17:01.06 | kenb | maybe corrupted file? |
| 17:01.15 | mickeyl | hehe, well not _that_ strange ;) |
| 17:01.22 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.23 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.23 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.29 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.29 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.29 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.35 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.35 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.48 | mickeyl | friend struct _Lock; is the offending line |
| 17:03.17 | kenb | friend struct _Lock ? |
| 17:03.25 | kenb | or field ? |
| 17:03.39 | mickeyl | um |
| 17:03.39 | TheMasterMind1 | jeez, thats a lot of _s |
| 17:03.39 | kenb | strange is right. |
| 17:03.41 | mickeyl | no, sorry |
| 17:03.44 | kergoth | this is a c++ header, i'm sure its friend |
| 17:03.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:03.53 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.02 | mickeyl | now _that_ is line 382 |
| 17:04.10 | kenb | and above it ? |
| 17:04.17 | mickeyl | what i posted. |
| 17:04.24 | mickeyl | the struct _Lock |
| 17:04.29 | mickeyl | ending with friend struct _Lock; |
| 17:06.06 | kenb | looks like valid syntax |
| 17:06.24 | kenb | wait. |
| 17:06.26 | mickeyl | yeah. must be a uclibc-problem - gcc3.3-glibc compiles this |
| 17:06.29 | kergoth | is _Atomic_word not declared by any chance? |
| 17:06.32 | kergoth | ah, odd |
| 17:06.48 | kenb | hm |
| 17:06.50 | mickeyl | just googled - the error came up on uclibc mailing list, but no reply :( |
| 17:07.02 | mickeyl | andersee: ping |
| 17:07.14 | kenb | so it's probably bug then |
| 17:10.28 | kergoth | ls |
| 17:10.32 | kergoth | oops |
| 17:10.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:10.38 | Harlekin | none found |
| 17:15.43 | andersee | mickeyl: pong |
| 17:16.01 | mickeyl | andersee: hiho. i have a problem with a freshly-built gcc 3.3 uclibc toolchain. |
| 17:16.17 | mickeyl | andersee: the same problem was reported on your mailing list as http://www.uclibc.org/lists/uclibc/2003-July/006578.html |
| 17:16.25 | mickeyl | andersee: do you have any solution yet? |
| 17:16.44 | andersee | mickeyl: well, I've had a couple of problem reports |
| 17:16.50 | andersee | "- /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 is a link to an older version and therefore |
| 17:16.50 | andersee | invalid. This causes C++ linking to fail. This is a critical problem. |
| 17:16.50 | andersee | " |
| 17:17.07 | andersee | "- The GCC paths are not complete for C++ compilation. I needed to add |
| 17:17.07 | andersee | this definition to get things to work. |
| 17:17.07 | andersee | export CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/include/c++:/usr/include/c++/i386-linux |
| 17:17.07 | andersee | I'm not sure where the "proper" place to put these things for a real |
| 17:17.07 | andersee | system is. |
| 17:17.08 | andersee | " |
| 17:22.36 | Harlekin | andersee: is there a page with performance comparisons? |
| 17:23.32 | andersee | Harlekin: http://www.geocities.com/robm351/uclibc/ has some comparisons |
| 17:23.55 | Harlekin | tnx |
| 17:24.00 | andersee | Harlekin: I ran some crypto time tests a few days ago |
| 17:25.51 | andersee | Harlekin: uClibc performance doing a bunch of crypto time test was the same or within about 1% of glibc performace |
| 17:26.17 | Harlekin | and mem usage is really lower? |
| 17:37.26 | andersee | Harlekin: yes |
| 17:38.56 | zar | hy all im bak :) |
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| 17:58.32 | bipolar | shit! what happened to libpng? |
| 17:59.58 | kergoth | eh? |
| 18:00.26 | Harlekin | andersee: sounds interesting |
| 18:03.18 | bipolar | libpng source is missing from upstream. no replacement. |
| 18:03.33 | bipolar | perhaps they are uploading a new version, or moved it. |
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| 18:24.11 | bipolar | I think libpng.org may have stopped distributing the libpng code directly. The webpage just has links to mirrors now. |
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| 18:33.07 | jp | hi... |
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| 18:57.08 | jp | people, Is possible make one embedded with 500k using OpenEmbedded ?? |
| 18:57.30 | prpplague | jp: one embedded what? |
| 18:57.45 | prpplague | jp: depends on what your intending to accomplish |
| 18:58.16 | prpplague | jp: gui with a jvm - no , small digital picture frame - maybe |
| 18:59.51 | jp | prpplague: I not need networkin, graphical, compiler. Only system with bash for me execute one C program.. |
| 19:01.28 | absentia | look at QNX miracle disk |
| 19:01.46 | absentia | full graphical unix ... interface, web browsing, etc... all from a single floppy |
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| 19:03.15 | jp | absentia: but I not need graphical, withou network.. I need only one simple sisple, very simple.. |
| 19:03.33 | jp | more simple possible, with bash+busybox is execent.. |
| 19:04.20 | absentia | like I said... take a quick look at QNX |
| 19:04.25 | absentia | it's about the smallest I know. |
| 19:04.50 | absentia | im sure you could strip stuff out of an OZ buildroot to make a minimal system |
| 19:04.54 | absentia | but I'm not sure HOW small ... |
| 19:06.37 | jp | absentia: what is OZ ? |
| 19:07.33 | yeiazel | OpenZaurus |
| 19:08.40 | jp | yeiazel: What is diference between OpenZaurus and OpenEmbedded ?? |
| 19:08.58 | yeiazel | think of them as the same thing |
| 19:09.47 | absentia | blah, fsck |
| 19:09.51 | bipolar | has anyone recently built opie and seen this: |
| 19:09.52 | bipolar | In file included from power.cpp:24: |
| 19:09.52 | bipolar | custom.h:25:27: asm/sharp_apm.h: No such file or directory |
| 19:09.52 | bipolar | make[3]: *** [power.o] Error 1 |
| 19:09.52 | absentia | I'm in linsux version hell |
| 19:09.52 | bipolar | make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/bflong/arm/buildroot-gcc3/build/opie/library' |
| 19:10.20 | bipolar | I just switched build machines and I think something is missing. |
| 19:10.22 | jp | yeiazel: OpenZaurus is more easy then LFS ?? |
| 19:10.57 | absentia | I want to install gaim, but I need glib > what I have, to get glib, probably should make a matching gtk, to do a full gtk, I need pango, do do pango, I need a version of QT *older* than what I have. |
| 19:10.59 | yeiazel | LFS is making your own distro from scratch |
| 19:11.02 | yeiazel | OpenZaurus is a distro |
| 19:11.30 | bipolar | absentia: you run Gnome or KDE? |
| 19:11.51 | absentia | cde |
| 19:11.58 | absentia | under solamis |
| 19:12.01 | absentia | kde under freebsd |
| 19:12.17 | absentia | this is for solaris |
| 19:13.38 | absentia | I have yet to hear which is better.. gnome or kde... I hear each is better, etc... |
| 19:14.47 | djr | i use gnome 2.x |
| 19:15.05 | djr | i find it faster and more support than kde... hehe |
| 19:15.05 | bipolar | absentia: hehehe.. I don't know about how it is on solaris, but I greatly prefer KDE over Gnome. KDE seems to be far more advaced. Some don't like how it's all tied together though. |
| 19:15.21 | absentia | I agree 100% |
| 19:15.32 | absentia | I prefer kde over gnome... gnome is warm'n'fuzzy with java and applets... |
| 19:15.38 | absentia | kde just seems worlds ahead. |
| 19:15.48 | absentia | but, hey, I'm no developer... just a rather cranky user. |
| 19:15.49 | bipolar | absentia: but, if you use KDE, try kopete instead of gaim. |
| 19:15.51 | bipolar | :) |
| 19:16.06 | djr | http://www.inexistent.com/junk/FreeBSD/gnome22-03-07-03.png i like my gnome :( |
| 19:16.53 | absentia | I also use 2 Xterms... both are the largest font that will give me 80x24 ... the second window is mostly only used in case the program in the first window locks up |
| 19:17.04 | djr | i like aterm more than xterm |
| 19:17.08 | djr | xterm is a memory hog |
| 19:17.12 | absentia | I tend to use ssh for sessions ( ~^Z etc ) .. and screen. |
| 19:17.12 | bipolar | heh... that works :) |
| 19:17.36 | absentia | schilling [4456]> which aterm |
| 19:17.36 | absentia | aterm: Command not found. |
| 19:18.08 | djr | i like splitting screens with screen... |
| 19:18.08 | absentia | I also try not to use the mouse, unless I have to |
| 19:18.08 | djr | ^a S |
| 19:18.08 | djr | :D |
| 19:18.08 | absentia | it just slows me down. |
| 19:18.09 | absentia | ^a is bad |
| 19:18.09 | absentia | it chews up my tcsh, emacs and irc commands |
| 19:18.09 | djr | how? |
| 19:20.17 | djr | i use tcsh just fine and irssi just fine |
| 19:20.17 | absentia | schilling [4458]> cat ~/.screenrc |
| 19:20.17 | absentia | escape ^Jj |
| 19:20.17 | djr | i never had a problem with it |
| 19:20.17 | absentia | I don't wanna ^aa everything |
| 19:20.17 | absentia | too slow. |
| 19:20.17 | djr | and ^Jj is better? |
| 19:20.17 | absentia | I type ^p^l^a between almost every shell command |
| 19:20.17 | absentia | yes |
| 19:20.17 | djr | aa is closer :( |
| 19:20.17 | absentia | ^a gets eaten and disturbs tcsh, irc and emacs... plus others. |
| 19:20.17 | djr | it doesnt here |
| 19:20.17 | djr | hehe |
| 19:20.17 | absentia | but I don't use ^aa .. (or ^jj) ... |
| 19:20.17 | absentia | I *do* use ^a every command |
| 19:20.17 | djr | ... |
| 19:20.17 | Masticator | yo |
| 19:20.17 | absentia | so I use left hand on ctrl, and then J... then lift control, j... very fast, when I need it. |
| 19:20.17 | absentia | which is rately. |
| 19:20.17 | absentia | rarely. |
| 19:20.21 | djr | i just hold control, press a with my middle finger, let off control, and whatever command i need |
| 19:20.24 | djr | i think thats faster |
| 19:20.27 | djr | hehe |
| 19:20.41 | absentia | ok |
| 19:20.49 | absentia | I do it too |
| 19:20.51 | absentia | only to do it your way |
| 19:21.17 | absentia | I'd do ctrl p... then ctrl l... then ctrl a... then I'd have to release control.. and hit a .. and THEN type what I want |
| 19:21.33 | absentia | and I do that between each shell command. |
| 19:21.35 | absentia | notice my prompt |
| 19:21.51 | absentia | 4500 commands recently. |
| 19:22.00 | absentia | that's not a history load. |
| 19:22.22 | djr | what are ^p ^l ^a for? |
| 19:22.59 | absentia | ^p = previous, ^l = clear screen (but keep the command line) and ^a = go to beginning of the line.... |
| 19:23.06 | absentia | if I edit, I then edit.. otherwise, I ^k and then type |
| 19:23.25 | absentia | I can probably type ^l^p^a in 1/50ths of a second? |
| 19:23.32 | absentia | it's almost like pressing one key. |
| 19:24.11 | absentia | ya, lotsa clutter on that gnome screen. |
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| 19:24.21 | djr | kde is worse |
| 19:24.23 | absentia | I use whote on black, with a solid black background. |
| 19:24.53 | djr | http://www.inexistent.com/junk/FreeBSD/Twm.png |
| 19:24.56 | djr | although twm is pretty hot |
| 19:25.12 | absentia | only thing cde/kde does is a menu bar a the bottom, which I can slide or hide to one side.... although, most 80x24 windows don't overlap that.. which is important, since I want the sun keyboard "front" key to toggle between the two xterms... and not cycle through three windows. |
| 19:25.27 | absentia | ya, I used twm what... 12+ years ago? |
| 19:26.03 | djr | you can configure gnome to be one bar easily, add or remove as you please...you can even remove them all if you want |
| 19:26.05 | absentia | ya, blue background... window awkward.. and I don't like scrollbars or title bars. |
| 19:26.13 | absentia | ya, see |
| 19:26.17 | absentia | THAT's the nice thing 'bout unix |
| 19:26.18 | absentia | choice. |
| 19:26.21 | absentia | my co workers uses gnome. |
| 19:26.23 | absentia | I use kde |
| 19:26.30 | absentia | he uses redhat or something |
| 19:26.36 | absentia | I use solaris/freebsd |
| 19:26.43 | absentia | we can configure the systems for OUR needs... |
| 19:26.46 | djr | i use beos/freebsd/windows |
| 19:26.47 | djr | hehe |
| 19:27.09 | absentia | isn't beos dead? |
| 19:27.24 | djr | yep |
| 19:27.34 | _PsyWork | beos was looking decent |
| 19:27.48 | _PsyWork | i tired it twice nbut 80% of my hardward was not working |
| 19:27.52 | _PsyWork | tried* |
| 19:27.58 | _PsyWork | hardware |
| 19:27.59 | _PsyWork | damn typo |
| 19:28.03 | djr | yeah, its picky on hardware |
| 19:28.19 | djr | im looking forward to the openbeos project advancing |
| 19:28.21 | absentia | ya, I get the same with freebsd |
| 19:28.32 | absentia | I wanted to work on my AI in '99 when I had this top of the line gateway laptop |
| 19:28.33 | djr | freebsd works with all hardware i have =/ |
| 19:28.38 | absentia | has a Maestro 2e sound system |
| 19:28.47 | absentia | I *still* can't record with the machine! only 4 output channels |
| 19:28.47 | djr | but i dont use fbsd on laptops so i wouldnt know about that |
| 19:28.48 | djr | hehe |
| 19:28.55 | absentia | yet, Maestro 3 is supported, but only for playing! |
| 19:29.17 | absentia | I *almost* switched to debian after upgrading to 5.1 freebsd |
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| 19:29.20 | absentia | so much is broken to hell in 5.1 |
| 19:29.28 | djr | i still use 4.x |
| 19:29.34 | absentia | I figure with debian... I'll probably get a system that works. |
| 19:29.41 | absentia | ya, 4.2-4.5 worked like a CHARM |
| 19:29.50 | absentia | I went to 5.0 .. and then wiped it and did an install of 5.1 from cd |
| 19:29.54 | absentia | "truss" doesn't work. |
| 19:29.56 | djr | ive had 0 issues with 4.6 through 4.8, either |
| 19:29.59 | absentia | the install doesn't ask for a HOSTNAME |
| 19:30.02 | absentia | yup |
| 19:30.06 | absentia | 4.x was awesome. |
| 19:30.12 | djr | i used to run fbsd 5.0-current which i think is nicer than 5.0-release and 5.1-release |
| 19:30.22 | absentia | ya |
| 19:30.24 | absentia | I have 5.1-release |
| 19:30.26 | djr | although i still like netbsd-current more than fbsd-current |
| 19:30.27 | absentia | which is... nasty. |
| 19:30.35 | absentia | I've not liked netbsd. |
| 19:30.39 | absentia | or open |
| 19:30.47 | djr | i dont really like open but i really like netbsd |
| 19:30.56 | absentia | why? |
| 19:31.02 | absentia | what does it provide over free? |
| 19:31.16 | djr | its small, fast, less memory footprint than fbsd... its portable, i can run it on my ps2 (right alongside linux)... |
| 19:31.25 | djr | it also has kernel SA in current and NICE SMP |
| 19:31.50 | djr | the x86 smp in nbsd-current is better than that of linux |
| 19:31.51 | absentia | SA? |
| 19:31.56 | absentia | ya, see, that's why I would like debian |
| 19:31.58 | djr | schedular activations |
| 19:32.04 | absentia | I could run it on my sun, laptops.. and pda |
| 19:32.18 | absentia | and... do you take advantage of that |
| 19:32.19 | absentia | ? |
| 19:32.29 | djr | the whole system does |
| 19:32.31 | absentia | I just need a place with x windows... preferably... emacs, tcsh, less and perl. |
| 19:32.41 | djr | its a form of threading |
| 19:32.41 | absentia | ah, so the answer is ... yes. |
| 19:32.44 | djr | which bsd lacks |
| 19:32.47 | absentia | ok |
| 19:33.26 | absentia | I'm starting to learn python and qt.... |
| 19:33.39 | absentia | which do you think is better or will last? gtk or qt ? |
| 19:33.41 | djr | im personally happy with just putty->ssh, tcsh, vim, more or less, perl, and irssi... maybe a few other things |
| 19:33.45 | absentia | I didn't know of qt until I bought the zaurus this spring! |
| 19:34.05 | djr | i think theyll both last |
| 19:34.08 | absentia | ya, I haven't found irssi ... I'lll look for it now, as I'm trying to implement corporate IM in another window |
| 19:34.19 | jp | yeiazel: I come back now.. :-) |
| 19:34.26 | absentia | I can't find any IM servers.. and dalnet ircd is fucked... so I'm compiling an old hybrid, but what made me start.. was trying to compile gaim |
| 19:34.32 | djr | qt has commercial support... so i dont think it will disappear |
| 19:34.35 | absentia | which required glib > what I have... (see above line) |
| 19:34.40 | djr | and gtk is backed by all kinds of stuff with linux |
| 19:34.43 | djr | so itll never disappear |
| 19:34.45 | jp | yeiazel: but can I personalize OpenZauros correct as one LFS ?? |
| 19:34.48 | absentia | ya, putty is good, but it has some bugs with key exchange. |
| 19:35.03 | yeiazel | jp: you can do anything you wan |
| 19:35.04 | yeiazel | +t |
| 19:35.18 | djr | IM? like aim, icq, msn? |
| 19:35.19 | djr | or irc? |
| 19:35.19 | absentia | djr: ya, but I don't have time to learn both... so, I'll deal with qt, since it's available on X... and also on the pda |
| 19:35.38 | absentia | well, the MS people said they could get messenging working with ecxchange 2000... but they haven't been able to get it going. |
| 19:35.45 | absentia | so, I want to get a backend.. and a frontend. |
| 19:35.54 | absentia | I'm looking at gaim, since I can get gaim for pc and unix |
| 19:35.58 | djr | i figured i dont need to learn qt... since theres opie |
| 19:36.08 | djr | i hate gaim |
| 19:36.08 | jp | yeiazel: where I find documentation for make one embedded using OpenZaurus ?? |
| 19:36.09 | djr | hehe |
| 19:36.11 | absentia | eh? |
| 19:36.17 | absentia | how do you program opie ? |
| 19:36.32 | absentia | I can find perl tk, perl qt ... but not perl opie! |
| 19:36.38 | absentia | python gtk, python qt.... |
| 19:36.39 | kergoth | eh? |
| 19:36.41 | absentia | but not python opie ? |
| 19:36.42 | yeiazel | opie is qt |
| 19:36.43 | kergoth | opie uses qt |
| 19:36.47 | absentia | right. |
| 19:36.49 | yeiazel | s/is/uses/, yes :) |
| 19:36.56 | absentia | so why pile on another dependency? |
| 19:36.57 | djr | ok |
| 19:36.59 | kergoth | so you can write apps that work in opie using pyqt |
| 19:37.06 | kergoth | pile on another dependency? what are you talkinga bout? |
| 19:37.10 | absentia | kergoth: yes, I understand... |
| 19:37.40 | absentia | I guess I'm having issue with the statement "I have opie" .. but I can see what that means.. that means that qt is available.. yes, I agree. |
| 19:37.55 | absentia | what I was saying, though, was that if I programmed OPIE -- that was another dependency. |
| 19:38.09 | jp | yeiazel: is here ? |
| 19:38.29 | kergoth | yes, pyqt doesnt have opie specific dependency |
| 19:38.31 | kergoth | its qt |
| 19:38.36 | kergoth | seems fairly straightforward to me |
| 19:38.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:39.01 | kergoth | hmm, need music |
| 19:39.28 | jp | yeiazel: Can I use OpenZaurus to make one embedded to i386 ?? |
| 19:39.38 | yeiazel | no |
| 19:39.40 | yeiazel | ... |
| 19:40.32 | jp | yeiazel: why ? |
| 19:40.38 | kergoth | You can build OZ for x86, there's no reason you couldnt |
| 19:40.53 | kergoth | though buildroot probably needs fixing here & there |
| 19:43.32 | jp | kergoth: I need make one embedded in ~8mb for put on compact Flash, OpenZaurus my solution ?? |
| 19:44.36 | _PsyWork | OZ alone probably, but with opie hmmm, well kergoth can answer it better than me anyway ! |
| 19:45.02 | djr | is is possible to get netbsd on the Z? |
| 19:45.03 | djr | hehe |
| 19:45.24 | kergoth | jp: OZ would work fine in that environment, though what apps you'll be able to fit is a concern. what do you want to be in this 8mb? |
| 19:45.48 | _PsyWork | kergoth: i was wondering, i did a buildroot compile yesterday, was the battery bug fix in and i remember the pad key was inverted, was that ever fixed ? |
| 19:46.04 | kergoth | what battery bug? |
| 19:46.13 | kergoth | the pad was fixed like 3 days after i uploaded that last c700 image |
| 19:46.15 | _PsyWork | you fixed the power thing i thought |
| 19:46.18 | _PsyWork | ah ok |
| 19:46.20 | kergoth | power thing? |
| 19:46.24 | kergoth | i dunno what you mean |
| 19:46.41 | _PsyWork | I thought you was talking about that 2 days ago, maybe it was something else, hmmm |
| 19:46.44 | _PsyWork | or another device |
| 19:46.49 | kergoth | i havent touched corgi in months |
| 19:46.51 | _PsyWork | or it was maybe ampd /shrug |
| 19:46.55 | kergoth | I'm doing 2.4.21 development work for collie |
| 19:47.03 | _PsyWork | Yep i know ;) |
| 19:47.42 | _PsyWork | Im happy i got an image last night with gcc 3.3, will be better since there is a couples of fixes since the 26april one and opie 0.99 ;) |
| 19:48.43 | jp | humm |
| 19:48.59 | jp | I was phone :-) |
| 19:49.40 | jp | kergoth: I was on phone, sorry.. |
| 19:50.28 | jp | kergoth: well, I need make one i386 (soekris work with wireless driver, ethernet and ssh).. |
| 19:52.27 | jp | kergoth: or OpenZaurus is not good for embedded i386 ? |
| 19:54.56 | jp | Can I help me to undertand ? |
| 19:55.59 | jp | any body ? |
| 19:58.48 | absentia | checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... yes (version 2.2.2) |
| 19:58.53 | absentia | checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.0.0... sh: gnome-config: not found |
| 19:58.54 | absentia | sigh |
| 19:58.56 | absentia | I was right. |
| 19:59.00 | absentia | wants new[er] gtk too |
| 20:01.37 | jp | what is better choice to maing one embedded to i386 ? |
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| 20:02.07 | absentia | jp: what are you trying to do ? |
| 20:02.09 | absentia | to accomplish? |
| 20:03.11 | jp | absentia: yes, i need one little linux |
| 20:03.21 | jp | absentia: one embedded to PCs for run one Compact Flash.. |
| 20:04.43 | mickeyl | hi zecke |
| 20:04.59 | mickeyl | jp: then try OpenZaurus and if something doesn't work, patch it and please send us patches. |
| 20:06.48 | jp | mickeyl: but OpenZauris not work well in i386 ? |
| 20:07.00 | kergoth | jp: who said that? |
| 20:07.04 | kergoth | i dont remember saying that. |
| 20:07.31 | mickeyl | actually, no one knows if it works well or not on i386. you are doing pioneer work. have fun and send us patches. |
| 20:08.21 | jp | kergoth: mickeyl you say for me try, then you not have certainty if OZ work.. |
| 20:08.33 | mickeyl | exactly. |
| 20:08.36 | mickeyl | no certainty. |
| 20:08.55 | kergoth | jp: yes. not having certainty does not imply that it does not work well. |
| 20:09.04 | zecke | mickeyl: hi |
| 20:09.06 | kergoth | it could go either way |
| 20:09.23 | zecke | mickeyl: 2.6 is a nice kernel |
| 20:09.30 | kergoth | indeed it is |
| 20:09.43 | mickeyl | zecke: on what device? |
| 20:09.53 | zecke | kergoth: but porting my prop modem driver is no fun... |
| 20:10.06 | zecke | mickeyl: laptop still might get my simpad into hospital |
| 20:10.19 | mickeyl | zecke: aha. |
| 20:10.21 | jp | kergoth: not exist one cerion embedded for i386 ? |
| 20:10.30 | zecke | kergoth: no escape from the #ifdef linux_compat hell... |
| 20:10.35 | jp | version |
| 20:10.55 | kergoth | jp: what? |
| 20:11.20 | jp | kergoth: one other type as OZ but for i386 embedded... ? |
| 20:11.41 | prpplague | jp: there are literaly hundreds of small distributions |
| 20:11.41 | zecke | kergoth: finally we've struct device_driver and unified bus systems... which is rather nice |
| 20:12.07 | jp | prpplague: I know, But I like I self making one.. |
| 20:12.14 | prpplague | jp: maybe you need to looking some floppy based distributions for i386 to get your feet wet |
| 20:12.23 | kergoth | zecke: yes, absolutely |
| 20:12.31 | kergoth | zecke: power management is nicely hierarchical, not flat |
| 20:12.34 | prpplague | jp: try build one of those first |
| 20:12.45 | prpplague | jp: then think about putting it on a CF card |
| 20:13.15 | jp | prpplague: but I wnat make my linux embedded, not copy one exist.. |
| 20:13.25 | kergoth | what? |
| 20:13.28 | jp | prpplague: I think LFS |
| 20:13.29 | kergoth | okay, start writing a new kernel |
| 20:13.32 | zecke | kergoth: and with events.. me wonders how schurig did PM on his device |
| 20:13.39 | kergoth | you're absolutely going to be using someone elses code as a base |
| 20:13.45 | kergoth | unless you *enjoy* reinventing the wheel |
| 20:13.49 | jp | but LFS is very large.. ~30mb distribuition.. |
| 20:13.51 | kergoth | in which case you're just a masochist |
| 20:14.01 | zecke | jp: grow up ;) |
| 20:14.09 | kergoth | zecke: ? isnt schurig still using 2.4 on ramses? |
| 20:14.28 | zecke | kergoth: yes.. but he disables all kind of subsystems during a run and reenabled them.. |
| 20:14.42 | zecke | kergoth: with the new framework it would be so much easier ;) |
| 20:14.48 | kergoth | oh yeah |
| 20:14.57 | kergoth | its amazing how many hacks you need to get PM happy on 2.4 |
| 20:15.01 | _PsyWork | jp check how oz buildroot work, start from there or something |
| 20:15.05 | kergoth | like reversing the event callback order for pm events on resume |
| 20:15.23 | zecke | kergoth: I hope that the binaries of the modem driver really don't use any kernel symbols... |
| 20:15.35 | zecke | kergoth: otherwise the porting was fun but not useful :( |
| 20:15.41 | kergoth | zecke: winmodem? |
| 20:16.57 | absentia | winmodem |
| 20:17.01 | absentia | muahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha |
| 20:17.25 | absentia | biggest piece of shit ever to be forced upon people by ms. |
| 20:17.28 | kergoth | thats a lotta morons |
| 20:17.32 | kergoth | agreed |
| 20:17.38 | absentia | well, people didn't know what it was |
| 20:17.42 | absentia | they were TOLD it was some great thing |
| 20:17.53 | zecke | absentia: winmodem are ok with modern computers.. |
| 20:17.57 | jp | I go to LFS.. :-( |
| 20:18.03 | absentia | or, they didn't know that the reason why one modem was 50% the cost of the other was because it didn't have 50% of the hardware. |
| 20:18.13 | absentia | zecke: *rofl* sure thing. |
| 20:18.21 | kergoth | heh, I only recently left a serial communications company |
| 20:18.27 | kergoth | give me a real modem on a damn tty anyday |
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| 20:18.29 | _PsyWork | jp you check the buildroot at least or how oz work ? its hard to make some opinion before you actually see what it look like ;) |
| 20:18.31 | absentia | zecke: where do I get the winmodem driver for freebsd? |
| 20:18.41 | absentia | kergoth: amen |
| 20:19.16 | zecke | absentia: write one... if one can do a TCP/IP stack in userspace you surely can do V.92 |
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| 20:19.28 | _PsyWork | winmodem was cheap and perfect for windows only users |
| 20:19.56 | zecke | absentia: you're mixing up the technology and the availability of specs... |
| 20:19.59 | kergoth | anything that unnecessarily consumes my cpu can kiss my ass |
| 20:20.01 | _PsyWork | Like for the common user |
| 20:20.14 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 20:20.24 | _PsyWork | I hope nobody is logged on your station kergoth =p |
| 20:20.27 | zecke | kergoth: I would love to get my ass kissed by a Transmeta Crusoe... |
| 20:20.39 | absentia | zecke: no, I am not |
| 20:21.14 | absentia | zecke: you're mixing up freedom and truth with slavery and ms fud. |
| 20:21.18 | absentia | kergoth: exactly. |
| 20:21.32 | absentia | why not move all graphics back into the cpu? |
| 20:21.37 | absentia | it *can* do the same thing... |
| 20:22.14 | zecke | absentia: good idea.. everything back into one chip... that are 6-7 fans less |
| 20:22.41 | absentia | fans? |
| 20:22.46 | absentia | is that why technology is split out? |
| 20:22.59 | absentia | to artificially bolster the fan market? |
| 20:23.00 | _PsyWork | ibot: oz bk |
| 20:23.00 | | oz bk is probably bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 20:23.04 | absentia | (to fan the fan market? h0h0h0) |
| 20:23.06 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:23.41 | absentia | *gee, this cpu is too hot, I've already got 7 fans on it... I better split it out iinto 2 chips that cost 2x as much and require 2x as many fans* |
| 20:24.28 | absentia | I love those guys who overclock their pentiums to like 4GHz and they can amost just about boot up. |
| 20:24.44 | absentia | before melting. |
| 20:24.58 | absentia | but it ran really fast! |
| 20:25.11 | kergoth | i used to OC.. but nowadays i actually want my equipment to last a long f*cking time |
| 20:25.25 | kergoth | and after noticably reducing the life of a few cpus, that was the end of that. |
| 20:25.27 | absentia | yup |
| 20:25.28 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:25.34 | absentia | what is 10% more gonna give me? |
| 20:25.57 | absentia | nada. |
| 20:26.07 | absentia | I can optimize (my) code and get back more than that! |
| 20:26.11 | kergoth | half the time my bottleneck isnt cpu anyway. most of my compiles on this box for example are held up by hard disk performance |
| 20:26.14 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:26.55 | absentia | ya |
| 20:27.02 | absentia | sun put /tmp to swap |
| 20:27.06 | absentia | speeds up gcc like you wouldn't believe |
| 20:27.18 | absentia | we had a DBA say that a disk was bad on the sun |
| 20:27.27 | absentia | because it wasn't as fast as the file times he did off /tmp |
| 20:27.32 | absentia | (he used /tmp on tru64 to compare) |
| 20:27.55 | kergoth | hey thats a good point, i never got around to switching /tmp on this rh box to tmpfs |
| 20:27.58 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:27.58 | absentia | even a ramdisk for oz for gcc (or /tmp) ... makes things much faster. |
| 20:28.54 | _PsyWork | going home ! |
| 20:30.00 | absentia | checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 262144 |
| 20:30.03 | absentia | rofl |
| 20:30.06 | absentia | that's useful information. |
| 20:30.52 | absentia | man, I feel like I'm slowly turning the solaris box into linux |
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| 20:41.54 | cmartin | hi |
| 20:42.40 | mickeyl | wb |
| 20:43.00 | cmartin | mickeyl: opie compiles now with QT_NO_SOUND set in qconfig |
| 20:43.08 | mickeyl | good |
| 20:43.55 | cmartin | i added #ifndef QT_NO_SOUND to the two places where QSound is being called in cardmon.cpp |
| 20:44.57 | cmartin | so maybe this should be pushed to Opie CVS |
| 20:45.04 | mickeyl | yup |
| 20:45.49 | cmartin | but i still get unresolved symbols with ide modules in the 2.4.21-rmk1 kernel |
| 20:46.14 | cmartin | i read in the arm linux list that ide was completely reorganised in 2.4.21 |
| 20:46.50 | mickeyl | hmm.... strange anyway. what is it missing? (post depmod -ae output) |
| 20:46.55 | mickeyl | post it in #flood |
| 20:47.21 | mickeyl | or here if less than 5 lines |
| 20:49.52 | cmartin | ok i'll go to #flood, but i have to type it since i have no serial con at the time |
| 20:50.03 | mickeyl | oh... then extract a few symbols and post it here |
| 20:50.15 | mickeyl | well... how you like it. |
| 20:54.05 | mickeyl | cmartin: try a modprobe ide-proc |
| 20:54.08 | absentia | ah |
| 20:54.11 | absentia | but the compile failed. |
| 20:54.46 | cmartin | can't locate module ide-proc |
| 20:55.00 | mickeyl | hmmm |
| 20:55.52 | cmartin | mickeyl: i was asked some thing while building - i think i remember saying yes to something dealing with proc partition information |
| 20:56.07 | mickeyl | oh. i always says no to that |
| 20:56.20 | mickeyl | that is per-partition statistics. not needed |
| 20:56.22 | absentia | gtk didn't find zlib |
| 20:56.23 | absentia | but it's installed |
| 20:56.25 | absentia | gaim can't find |
| 20:56.26 | absentia | checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.0.0... sh: gnome-config: not found |
| 20:56.28 | cmartin | ok i'll rebuild and say no to everything |
| 20:56.29 | absentia | but it's installed |
| 20:57.01 | Twiun | when was the buildroot gtk last changed? |
| 20:57.11 | absentia | but there's no gnome on te system... if that's what generates gnome-config |
| 20:57.19 | Twiun | last I heard, mickeyl was getting curious about getting it to compile :) |
| 20:57.19 | mickeyl | cmartin: yes, that seems to be it. read here: |
| 20:57.22 | cmartin | mickeyl: BTW: the buttons don't function in BRANCH |
| 20:57.22 | kergoth | I dont think anyone has touched atk/gtk/pango in a while |
| 20:57.29 | kergoth | they were never *finished* really |
| 20:57.29 | mickeyl | cmartin: his is the /proc/ide/ filesystem implementation. |
| 20:57.43 | Twiun | kergoth: yup, that's the way I last remember them |
| 20:57.48 | mickeyl | i stuck on pango. |
| 20:58.00 | mickeyl | all went ok so far, but pango and its fscking libtool interaction killed me :( |
| 20:58.14 | mickeyl | always tried to suck in my /usr/lib/fontconfig.so |
| 20:58.24 | mickeyl | can't get around this and stopped messing with it. |
| 20:58.31 | mickeyl | didn't get even |
| 20:58.44 | kergoth | hehe, pkg-config was no picnic either, had to use a makefile script to convert them to staging paths |
| 20:59.04 | mickeyl | while atk just needed overriding LIBTOOL=$(LIBTOOL). |
| 20:59.09 | mickeyl | then it worked for me. |
| 21:00.36 | kergoth | I should go patch libtool again to not pull in libdir from .la files |
| 21:00.41 | kergoth | never did get around to doing that |
| 21:01.07 | absentia | I give up |
| 21:01.11 | absentia | I'll look at this piece of shit tomorrow. |
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| 21:01.40 | absentia | kergoth: *sigh* ... typical. |
| 21:01.44 | absentia | ciao |
| 21:02.09 | mickeyl | poineer work. all this sh*t is basing so hefty on the local compilation paradigm it hurts sometimes... |
| 21:03.03 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:03.27 | kergoth | checking for i686-linux-gcc... i686-linux-gcc |
| 21:03.38 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:03.43 | kergoth | hmm, need to teach OE to clear out CROSS if ARCH == BUILD_ARCH and OS == BUILD_OS |
| 21:03.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:04.30 | kergoth | its more complex than you'd expect, beacuse .oe files dont have an 'if' paradigm |
| 21:04.39 | kergoth | not as such anyway |
| 21:05.19 | Twiun | are .oe files more like configuration than state machines? |
| 21:05.33 | kergoth | yes, consider them to be stores of metadata |
| 21:05.40 | kergoth | where some items of metadata are executable aka 'functions' |
| 21:05.51 | kergoth | to be executed in the task stack by oebuild |
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| 21:06.25 | Twiun | right - but executed function imply the 3 core bits of a programming language |
| 21:06.35 | Twiun | statement, condition and branchine |
| 21:06.39 | Twiun | branching even |
| 21:07.46 | kergoth | I'm thinking I may implement anonymous python functions that get executed at parse time rather than at runtime, thereby giving one an extensible way to manipulate variable set, since we dont have an if statement |
| 21:08.01 | kergoth | either that or we extend the .oe syntax further |
| 21:08.30 | Twiun | depends on how loosely coupled we want the .oe files |
| 21:08.49 | Twiun | anonymous functions make it awkward to automatically translate |
| 21:09.07 | kergoth | yeah, personally i'd like to see the OE core moved to C, thereby increasing the flexibility of the tools above it |
| 21:09.24 | kergoth | we'd still want to be able to run python functions, but .. |
| 21:09.41 | Twiun | with the core in C, that wouldn't be an issue |
| 21:09.53 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:09.54 | Twiun | you could write called out functions in virtually anything |
| 21:10.14 | kergoth | could use bison/yacc for generation of the .oe parser.. |
| 21:10.15 | Twiun | Hehe, anyone know any prolog? |
| 21:10.46 | Twiun | now that or lisp would be interesting for working out implied dependencies |
| 21:11.37 | TimRiker | you could use perl scripts to create a python app that generates m4 versions of oe files. . . . but would you want to? |
| 21:12.54 | Twiun | as long as the files follow a pragmatic feature approach, then we're halfway to the next architecture change |
| 21:13.05 | Twiun | with all the translation that involves |
| 21:14.15 | kergoth | bkdiffs () { |
| 21:14.15 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.15 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.15 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.15 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.17 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.20 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.22 | kergoth | } |
| 21:14.25 | kergoth | ^^-handy |
| 21:14.35 | mickeyl | ==> .bahsrc |
| 21:14.40 | mickeyl | :) |
| 21:14.46 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:14.57 | kergoth | bk sfiles -c | bk diffs -u - is far far far faster than bk -r diffs -u |
| 21:15.21 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: i know lisp |
| 21:15.37 | TheMasterMind1 | or used to anyway |
| 21:16.29 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: There you go then |
| 21:16.44 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: start working out a useful way of doing implied deps |
| 21:16.59 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 21:17.52 | kergoth | hey treke |
| 21:18.04 | treke | hey |
| 21:18.08 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 21:18.14 | Twiun | hey treke |
| 21:18.33 | kergoth | I should test out using OE as Opie's buildsystem without the config piece as a proof of concept |
| 21:18.46 | Twiun | treke: just joined a new job, or been promoted? |
| 21:18.56 | treke | better make sure there is an access point in the buidling :) |
| 21:18.59 | prpplague | kergoth: did you decide on using LAB for the prefered oe boot loader? |
| 21:19.01 | treke | Twiun: nah,. company wide |
| 21:19.18 | kergoth | prpplague: yep. I'm sure it still needs work, but thats the direction. |
| 21:19.27 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: eh? they train you how to do it nowadays? so you don't get caught? |
| 21:19.33 | treke | TheMasterMind1: yup |
| 21:20.17 | prpplague | kergoth: ok, i've been diving into bootloaders lately, guess i'll have a look at LAB too, lol |
| 21:21.06 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: done anything with TS lately? |
| 21:21.18 | mickeyl | i recommended looking into LAB instead of RedBoot to the SIMpad kernel folks. maybe the listen to me ;) |
| 21:21.24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nope. applied sharp's patch to pull in the old ucb1200 drivers |
| 21:21.35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but we'll have to alter the battery driver, usbd, and irda to use the old api |
| 21:21.38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :\ |
| 21:21.38 | kergoth | pain |
| 21:21.53 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: eh, how come. can't we keep those as new one and use old for ts only |
| 21:21.54 | kergoth | mickeyl: they're using RedBoot? bleh |
| 21:22.07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: because, the new ts driver uses the new ucb1x00 core |
| 21:22.16 | treke | ~seen Demo |
| 21:22.17 | | demo <~cooldemo@195.80.161.134> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 26d 22h 51m 57s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 21:22.24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you cant have two driver cores trying to control and init the same damn chip |
| 21:22.27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 21:22.33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sure you can.. |
| 21:22.34 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:22.44 | mickeyl | kergoth: no. actually they're using their proprietary thing. but since this thing is full of sh*t, they decided to look into porting redboot. but apparently they haven't done any real work on that so it is the right time to get them to look into LAB. |
| 21:22.59 | kergoth | mickeyl: u-boot, blob, or bootldr would be far better than redboot |
| 21:23.01 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm, this sucks |
| 21:23.06 | kergoth | mickeyl: is redboot even still maintained? |
| 21:23.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:23.14 | mickeyl | kergoth: seems so. ecos still lives. |
| 21:23.21 | kergoth | wow |
| 21:23.30 | kergoth | still, not the best direction to go in even if they dont want LAB |
| 21:23.39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: should just randomly add udelays in the functions... |
| 21:23.43 | mickeyl | kergoth: but anyway... i think we can convince them to LAB. |
| 21:24.08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i thought about doing something similar to change the timing, we'll be copying the ts module back and forth a lot since i cant test |
| 21:24.27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i don't mind |
| 21:24.57 | kergoth | k, i'm looking through the old drivers to try to find differences in behavior and timing |
| 21:25.04 | TheMasterMind1 | no useful numbers or diagrams in japanese docs? |
| 21:25.20 | kergoth | i'd have to figure out where i put the pdf to check |
| 21:25.23 | kergoth | i think its on my box at home |
| 21:25.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:25.29 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 21:25.32 | kergoth | ill check |
| 21:25.34 | TheMasterMind1 | get sharp to send it again |
| 21:25.49 | TheMasterMind1 | can you ssh home |
| 21:26.12 | TheMasterMind1 | prolly still in your email too no/ |
| 21:26.34 | kergoth | box at home is off atm |
| 21:26.41 | kergoth | not in my inbox |
| 21:26.48 | kergoth | i'll check when i get home tonigh |
| 21:26.49 | kergoth | t |
| 21:26.52 | kergoth | night Twiun |
| 21:26.57 | Twiun | g'night guys |
| 21:28.20 | TheMasterMind1 | there's some really weird stuff in the 2.4.6 driver.. like some weird transformations they do with the data under certain conditions |
| 21:28.38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the slope/offset calculations are interesting |
| 21:28.43 | kergoth | they do more than most calibration does |
| 21:28.55 | kergoth | inverting it for example by subtracting it from 1023 or whatever |
| 21:29.14 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 21:29.30 | kergoth | still, that wouldnt cause the excessive jitter |
| 21:29.35 | TheMasterMind1 | but the data we're getting for the most part is accurate |
| 21:29.38 | kergoth | and ts_test behaves close enough to sane that i doubt thats it |
| 21:29.40 | kergoth | yep, exactly |
| 21:29.41 | TheMasterMind1 | so most of that stuff isn't needed |
| 21:30.00 | kergoth | right, tslib's calibration is good enough to handle it |
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| 21:31.51 | _Psycho | hmm what file i can find the dependency already when i do a make image ? |
| 21:32.15 | mickeyl | .depends |
| 21:32.24 | _Psycho | thanks |
| 21:32.53 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh.. |
| 21:32.56 | TheMasterMind1 | so close, and yet so far |
| 21:33.24 | _Psycho | he keep telling me i dont have qpf-bitstream-vera (but i have qpf-bitstream-vera-full) |
| 21:33.32 | mickeyl | you have both. |
| 21:33.37 | mickeyl | eliminate one of full|light |
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| 21:33.49 | _Psycho | i just have full |
| 21:33.55 | mickeyl | sure? |
| 21:33.57 | mickeyl | check output/ipks |
| 21:34.00 | mickeyl | you prolly have both there |
| 21:34.22 | _Psycho | ok |
| 21:37.28 | _Psycho | i thought just unchecking the option was enough ;) thanks info |
| 21:37.45 | _Psycho | Which one better atd or opie-alarm ? :) |
| 21:38.02 | treke | You say that like it's an option |
| 21:38.47 | _Psycho | well it told me atd was in conflict with opie-alarm |
| 21:38.57 | treke | right |
| 21:39.02 | _Psycho | you mean qpf or atd ? |
| 21:39.08 | treke | you cant install both. And you need opie-alarm |
| 21:39.40 | _Psycho | ok thanks |
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| 21:43.37 | mickeyl | andersee: sorry to bug you again, but export CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH did not help in our buildroot. Can't I tweak the toolchain generation process to get arm-linux-g++ to use the C++ directories _before_ the C directories in the internal include search path? |
| 21:44.22 | _Psycho | bah opieplayer2 is asking me for glibc2.2 |
| 21:44.30 | wilco | Hrm, is this channel chiefly for Zarus? |
| 21:44.37 | treke | wilco: no |
| 21:44.46 | mickeyl | read the topic. |
| 21:45.01 | wilco | I am, but all the URLs seem to pretty much be Zarus-related |
| 21:45.12 | mickeyl | well... s/openzaurus.org/openembedded.org ;) |
| 21:45.51 | treke | wilco: You are missing the important part. User support questions in #openzaurus and #openembedded-ipaq |
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| 21:48.27 | wilco | That seems counter-intuitive. Why would I join a Zarus or IPaq related channel to find people working on Soekris boards? |
| 21:48.56 | mickeyl | that is what we are asking ourselfs, too ;) |
| 21:49.17 | treke | why would you join and ask about the zaurus if you are looking for soekris help? |
| 21:49.21 | wilco | Okay, just so I'm not the one being the jackass and missing the obvious |
| 21:49.52 | mickeyl | wilco: how 'bout just asking a question now? we will judge then if it is on-topic or off-topic :D |
| 21:49.54 | wilco | Because all the URLs in the topic were Zaurus related, althought the channel name seems more general? |
| 21:50.32 | wilco | I am asking my questions. Right now I'm looking for an active community. My Soekris board hasn't been delivered yet. |
| 21:51.14 | wilco | Should be here any minute though... Unless the UPS truck breaks down |
| 21:51.32 | mickeyl | cool. |
| 21:51.33 | prpplague | wilco: oe is a generaly build package for embedded systems |
| 21:51.49 | prpplague | wilco: should be able to make it work for just about any arch |
| 21:51.51 | wilco | soekris.com |
| 21:51.58 | prpplague | wilco: just need to read and learn, lol |
| 21:52.27 | wilco | Hrm, okay. I'm mostly looking for something like Pebble, Bewitched, or WISP-Dist or people who know any of them. |
| 21:52.47 | TheMasterMind1 | gah |
| 21:52.48 | wilco | The latter seems ideal, given that unlike the other two it's not just a stripped-down Debian |
| 21:52.50 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid goddamn touchscreen |
| 21:53.00 | wilco | But I don't know if it's a dead project or not |
| 21:53.12 | wilco | I'm sorta just cruisin' the stalls of IRC :) |
| 21:53.36 | prpplague | wilco: most of the people here deal with embedded processor projects, x86 generally isn't dealt with as much as arm and mips |
| 21:54.53 | wilco | Yeah, I know, but all the wireless access point work I've seen done so far is on Soekris. |
| 21:55.11 | wilco | And actually, SnapGear's wireless board is also an Elan |
| 21:55.12 | Neo|Work | Oh god, the horror - http://www.flatface.net/~eongames/ |
| 21:55.24 | treke | Neo|Work: safe for work? |
| 21:55.52 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 21:56.02 | Neo|Work | note the end of the URL |
| 21:56.04 | TheMasterMind1 | wilco: how big is is that thing.. and where do you put the wifi card |
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| 21:56.20 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, theres ones with wifi |
| 21:56.25 | Neo|Work | a bunch of 14 yr olds that decided to name themselves EoN Games... |
| 21:56.49 | wilco | TheMasterMind1: The Soekris or the SnapGear? |
| 21:57.39 | wilco | AFAICT they're both about the size you'd expect--smaller than a cheap cigar box |
| 21:58.54 | wilco | The wireless card for the Soekris is MiniPCI |
| 21:59.44 | TheMasterMind1 | or you can use the pcmcia models |
| 21:59.52 | wilco | Yeah |
| 21:59.54 | TheMasterMind1 | thats pretty cool |
| 22:01.01 | andersee | mickeyl: yes |
| 22:01.29 | mickeyl | andersee: good. how can i achive that? where must i patch? |
| 22:01.37 | andersee | mickeyl: In fact, that would be the prefered fix. If you do implement it, send the fix on to me. |
| 22:01.39 | mickeyl | andersee: or will you release an updated version of the makefile? |
| 22:02.01 | mickeyl | oh ehm... i just wanted to ask you if you know where and how to do this ;) |
| 22:02.04 | andersee | mickeyl: I.e. patch up the perl regex's in the Makefile to sub in the correct path |
| 22:02.10 | mickeyl | ouch. |
| 22:02.12 | mickeyl | the p word |
| 22:02.14 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:02.27 | andersee | hehe |
| 22:02.55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: did you ever add in the code that does that magic value stuff? is there any ts code in .21 other than in ucb1x00-ts ? |
| 22:03.17 | TheMasterMind1 | i still don't get why making a kernel without ucb1x00-ts had an event0 that was responding to ts presses |
| 22:03.26 | andersee | mickeyl: fyi, there will be a new uClibc build later this week, and I'll be updating the dev systems then |
| 22:03.46 | andersee | mickeyl: so if you don't get to it, I'll be getting to it late this week |
| 22:03.59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: and whats with all the frontlight dimming etc in the old code |
| 22:04.41 | mickeyl | andersee: ok - great.. i probably won't get it - but i will do preparations here and there in buildroot to add more support for uclibc. it seems i can build around 80% of packages without major intervention. i find that number good for the first start. |
| 22:06.46 | andersee | mickeyl: sweet |
| 22:07.33 | andersee | mickeyl: I think you will find the improvements in the next rev will help considerably. mjn3 has been doing a bang up job at adding the missing i18n bits |
| 22:08.31 | TheMasterMind1 | + if ( FLASH_DATA(FLASH_TOUCH_MAGIC_ADR) == FLASH_TOUCH_MAJIC ) { |
| 22:08.32 | mickeyl | andersee: aah that is appreciated... pretty good |
| 22:09.25 | mickeyl | andersee: oh one last thing |
| 22:10.07 | mickeyl | andersee: i have an issue in qt-embedded when enabling the tm_extension. qte is assuming non-const parts of this structure where it is defined as __const in the include file. |
| 22:10.32 | mickeyl | andersee: but we need these extensions in opie in a several places, so I'd rather not disable them. |
| 22:10.47 | mickeyl | andersee: for now, i just removed the __const. but a more cleaner way would be nice |
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| 22:11.44 | wilco | Well, thanks for the info guys. I'll be moving alone and not bother you... |
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| 22:14.01 | _Psycho | doh image take 31megs, there is a limit isnt ? |
| 22:14.14 | mickeyl | what device? |
| 22:14.21 | _Psycho | c700 |
| 22:14.30 | mickeyl | 7x0 can take up to 30.5 afaik |
| 22:14.33 | mickeyl | kergoth? |
| 22:14.49 | andersee | mickeyl: that problem has been fixed |
| 22:14.59 | mickeyl | andersee: oh has it already? great. |
| 22:15.02 | andersee | mickeyl: not yet in cvs yet |
| 22:15.07 | _Psycho | i thanks |
| 22:15.12 | _Psycho | i try it anyway |
| 22:15.17 | mickeyl | andersee: ok. will be in next release also i assume. |
| 22:18.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the magic values were a default _calibration_ on the data to bring them closer to sane |
| 22:18.20 | mickeyl | oh! |
| 22:18.22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it was needed because qt/qtopia/opie's calibrator sucked |
| 22:18.26 | mickeyl | lol |
| 22:18.30 | kergoth | c7x0 use that default calib data exclusively |
| 22:18.35 | kergoth | you dont have to calibrate on a sharp rom |
| 22:19.00 | mickeyl | interesting news. how did you come with that? |
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| 22:20.51 | kergoth | just read what the collie sources do with the values from flash |
| 22:21.07 | kergoth | they're using them to bring the values into sane constraints |
| 22:21.16 | kergoth | tslib is able to make them happy without that adjustment though |
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| 22:21.30 | mickeyl | ah good. was going to ask exactly that. |
| 22:21.40 | mickeyl | so the future definitly is tslib for us. |
| 22:21.51 | kergoth | schurig altered the qtopia/opie calibrator that uses the ts_calibrate algorithm |
| 22:21.54 | kergoth | works far better |
| 22:22.04 | mickeyl | must get to check why the SIMpad failed so miserably on that. maybe schurigs calibrate2 does the magic. |
| 22:22.08 | mickeyl | k |
| 22:22.11 | mickeyl | will try asap. |
| 22:22.43 | _Psycho | down to 28megs not bad |
| 22:22.55 | _Psycho | Only 1 thing left is that opieplayer2 glib2.2 thing :) |
| 22:22.57 | _Psycho | woo hehe |
| 22:23.17 | kergoth | hmm, we need the equivalent of dh_shlibdeps |
| 22:23.30 | kergoth | that looks at what libs your binaries linked against and adds them to depends(iirc) |
| 22:23.42 | kergoth | so that way our deps always reflect exactly what was built against |
| 22:23.45 | kergoth | rpm has a similar function |
| 22:24.32 | kergoth | so i saw i nthe irc log noidd is making progress on his tool to analyze a buildroot makefile and output a template .loe |
| 22:24.36 | kergoth | s/loe/oe/ |
| 22:25.11 | ljp | cool |
| 22:25.13 | mickeyl | well that sounds good... i can't imagine the work needed by manually transcribing all that stuff |
| 22:25.20 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 22:25.29 | kergoth | what are we up to, 250 or something packages? |
| 22:25.47 | mickeyl | ls -l |grep wc -l says 265 |
| 22:26.01 | mickeyl | minus a few obsolote ones |
| 22:26.06 | mickeyl | obsolete even |
| 22:26.29 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:29.42 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 22:29.44 | mickeyl | k - time's up. g'night all! |
| 22:29.48 | TheMasterMind1 | i found an irc client for my cellphone |
| 22:31.23 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.midlet.org/category.jsp?parentLevel=308 HAHAHA |
| 22:32.50 | _Psycho | kergoth about that part where "I linked" opieplayer2 to glibc2.2, could it be because i added a .h file into the source ? (Builded it with gcc3.3 and glibc2.3.2) |
| 22:33.05 | _Psycho | Im a bit confuse why he ask me for glibc2.2 |
| 22:33.22 | ljp | when you were installing it? |
| 22:33.41 | _Psycho | when i do make image he ask me for that |
| 22:34.16 | ljp | hmm |
| 22:34.45 | _Psycho | (doing a clean and i retry in case) |
| 22:34.55 | _Psycho | thats like the only important thing i want in my image that is missing hehe |
| 22:36.04 | _Psycho | if i force it, does glibc2.3.2 supposed to be backward compatible with glibc2.2 ? |
| 22:39.04 | ljp | might be xine asking for glibc2.2 |
| 22:39.50 | _Psycho | yeah good point |
| 22:40.15 | _Psycho | ill try anyway i flash in 10 min |
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| 22:46.43 | kergoth | its the control file |
| 22:46.49 | kergoth | harlekin added libstdc++ to the deps |
| 22:46.54 | kergoth | because its needed for familiar |
| 22:46.58 | kergoth | patch the control file |
| 22:47.08 | ljp | hmmm |
| 22:47.27 | _Psycho | ok so it should work anyway kergoth ? |
| 22:47.39 | kergoth | -force-depends or patch it to remove the dep |
| 22:47.41 | kergoth | yes it will work |
| 22:47.45 | _Psycho | i did force-depends |
| 22:47.50 | _Psycho | ah thanks, awesome ! |
| 22:48.02 | _Psycho | flashing in 1 min =p |
| 22:48.30 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 22:48.35 | _Psycho | hope my image will fit |
| 22:48.36 | Neo|Work | ljp: know when you're leaving yet? |
| 22:48.46 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:48.51 | ljp | wednesday or thrusday |
| 22:49.08 | kergoth | I need one .oe file to be able to specify a specific .oe with a specific path as being the satisfier of one of its dependencies |
| 22:49.13 | kergoth | how the fuck am i going to do that |
| 22:49.31 | ljp | umm, very carefully? |
| 22:49.37 | kergoth | guess i could havfe the .oe append to OEFILES, but oemake doesnt expect to pick up alterations of OEFILES by .oe files |
| 22:49.40 | kergoth | hm |
| 22:51.06 | kergoth | basically, a toplevel opie.oe needs to result in oemake building the core/core.oe, etc |
| 22:52.35 | ljp | hmm |
| 22:52.59 | kergoth | yeah, guess its best to tell oemake that .oe files can affect its OEFILES variable |
| 22:55.37 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:56.29 | TheMasterMind1 | also, keep in mind for opie |
| 22:57.16 | ljp | and any other gui that might want to be added, like, say... gpe? :D |
| 22:57.20 | TheMasterMind1 | or maybe its qte.. one of them. we want a build with 2.95 as well as 3.3 so that we can use the 2.95 opie/qte libs in a compat ipk that will allow older stuff to run |
| 23:05.35 | kergoth | woot! |
| 23:05.40 | kergoth | got it to work |
| 23:05.53 | TheMasterMind1 | what? |
| 23:06.07 | kergoth | OE is now capable enough to replace opie's buildsystem |
| 23:06.11 | kergoth | (minus the config interface) |
| 23:06.15 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 23:06.21 | kergoth | so you cd opie; oemake |
| 23:06.26 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa |
| 23:06.26 | kergoth | and sit on your ass and wait |
| 23:06.27 | TheMasterMind1 | thats sweet |
| 23:06.46 | TheMasterMind1 | can it like only rebuild stuff thats changed =P |
| 23:06.56 | kergoth | hmm thats a toughy |
| 23:06.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:07.09 | kergoth | right now it uses stamps for the subbuilds |
| 23:07.16 | kergoth | so theres a binary stamp for .. opie-embeddedkonsole |
| 23:07.17 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 23:07.30 | kergoth | within upstream stamps dont make as much sense |
| 23:07.34 | kergoth | so i'll find a way to make that optional |
| 23:07.41 | kergoth | get this though, OE can output a .pro from a .oe |
| 23:07.52 | kergoth | so one .oe file can output a .pro, make th emakefile, build it, then ipk it. |
| 23:07.56 | ljp | nice |
| 23:07.58 | kergoth | so no need for either the .pro or the .control |
| 23:08.01 | kergoth | just one file per package |
| 23:08.02 | kergoth | thats it |
| 23:08.19 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 23:21.21 | ljp | make sure you add an oeorderpizzaa |
| 23:21.31 | _Psycho | hey that my plan |
| 23:21.38 | _Psycho | i have to go get cash thought annoying |
| 23:21.45 | ljp | so you can order pizza while the whole bloomin' thing compiles |
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| 23:30.37 | kergoth | err damnit |
| 23:30.46 | kergoth | i made the base class add 'patcher' to depends |
| 23:30.48 | zlvr | hi kergoth |
| 23:30.51 | kergoth | patcher's .oe pulls in base |
| 23:30.57 | kergoth | therefore, patcher depends on itself |
| 23:30.59 | kergoth | oooopt |
| 23:31.02 | kergoth | oooops rather |
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| 23:32.22 | kergoth | guess i'd better move the patcher handling into its own .oeclass and force the .oe's that need patch handling to include it |
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| 23:37.16 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. i can't find anything in this old ts code that might fix our issue |
| 23:38.01 | kergoth | timing issues are a pain in the ass |
| 23:38.43 | TheMasterMind1 | can't we like put printks in the old code and make it print out the time everytime it fetches data from the chip |
| 23:38.51 | TheMasterMind1 | and then compare that to time printks in new code |
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| 23:44.37 | absentia | where is mithros compatibility libraries? |
| 23:46.09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: would that work? |
| 23:46.46 | treke | hmmm |
| 23:46.56 | treke | ugly |
| 23:47.11 | W8TVI | Yech |
| 23:47.15 | W8TVI | I feel for you |
| 23:47.25 | treke | yeah |
| 23:52.07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: possibly, but do you have any idea what a pain in the ass thatd be? |
| 23:53.06 | absentia | anyone know where mithro's compatibility libraries are? |
| 23:53.15 | treke | kergoth: would be easy for us |
| 23:54.03 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:54.30 | treke | kergoth: TheMasterMind1's suggestion. Would be easy for us, might be painful for you |
| 23:54.47 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: heh. better than having to push all the old ucb api stuff forward |
| 23:56.52 | kergoth | so you're saying compare the time between when we set up the plates to when we read them to ensure they've stabilized? |
| 23:56.58 | kergoth | I think the problem is more complex than just htat |
| 23:56.59 | kergoth | that |
| 23:57.41 | kergoth | though that is a good idea to eliminate that |
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| 23:59.06 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 23:59.12 | absentia | ho? |
| 23:59.15 | TheMasterMind1 | can't we just add udelays between the setup and reading and hope it works |
| 23:59.16 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:59.28 | kergoth | we can, yeah |
| 23:59.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:59.39 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll try that |
| 23:59.44 | kergoth | put some insane delay in just to make sure its stabilized |
| 23:59.47 | TheMasterMind1 | like what? |
| 23:59.49 | TheMasterMind1 | gimme a number |
| 23:59.59 | TheMasterMind1 | 100? |
