| 00:01.26 | ljp_laptop | any docs on the c700 flash procedure? is it the menu thingy? |
| 00:01.40 | kergoth | hold ok when you press power on first boot |
| 00:01.45 | kergoth | so flip switch, flip back, hit OK+power |
| 00:01.49 | kergoth | then you're in the maint menu |
| 00:02.01 | kergoth | one of those buttons takes you to a menu to select cf/sd/usb |
| 00:05.13 | kergoth | oh hey, you can access other repositories on bkbits locally with file:// |
| 00:05.15 | kergoth | didnt know that |
| 00:05.28 | kergoth | and clone supports -l in their interface, so cloning a tree is nearly instant |
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| 00:05.31 | kergoth | spiffy. |
| 00:08.32 | ljp_laptop_ | hmm, cool |
| 00:08.35 | kergoth | ibot: botmail for jamey: let me know when you have some base code for your proposed deviceism handling using the device model, I'd be willing to work with you on it. Need to push zaurus support forward anyway :) |
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| 00:32.41 | ljp_laptop | oz does not like to deal with my sd card |
| 00:32.46 | chouimat | http://bash.org/?111338 |
| 00:35.30 | ljp_laptop | I am going to need a 128 mb card, man |
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| 01:11.08 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.53 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 01:12.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: 2.4.21-rmk1 is released |
| 01:12.50 | treke|home | sweet |
| 01:13.08 | treke|home | kergoth: Supposedly one of the new rmk patches has pxammc support |
| 01:13.37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ooh, coolness |
| 01:13.48 | kergoth | nico has one mmc stack in his patches, handhelds.org has another |
| 01:13.57 | kergoth | great thing about standards is there's so many to choose from |
| 01:13.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:14.06 | treke|home | hehe |
| 01:14.14 | treke|home | well hopefully one of them works with the axim :p |
| 01:14.23 | kergoth | ask demo |
| 01:14.30 | treke|home | havent seen him on |
| 01:15.24 | treke|home | I'm almost done with the kernel Makefile changes, so i can start supporting 3900/1900/5400/axim builds |
| 01:15.45 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 01:15.58 | chouimat | kergoth: Item: PIC18F458-I/P |
| 01:20.19 | ljp_laptop | I feel like I am using a computer for a little kid |
| 01:22.22 | kergoth | oh, TheMasterMind1, USBD has a driver to make a usb client act like a HID device.. a mouse or controller |
| 01:22.32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and another one to make a client act like a storage device, so you could mount your Z |
| 01:23.45 | chouimat | kergoth: sound fun |
| 01:26.13 | ljp_laptop | or a Barbie doll computer |
| 01:26.39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whoa, cool |
| 01:26.44 | kergoth | hehe, yeah, typing on it does give you that feeling |
| 01:27.05 | ljp_laptop | 'here kid, have a computer' |
| 01:27.20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: someone should test it. I pushed most of the collie bits into a 2.4.21-rmk1 tree on linux-cl.bkbits.net. collie-2.4 |
| 01:27.27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: already? |
| 01:27.27 | ljp_laptop | 5 minutes later, 'dad - it wont work now' |
| 01:27.29 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 01:27.32 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll give it a shot |
| 01:27.37 | TheMasterMind1 | as soon as i find my cf / cfwriter |
| 01:27.40 | TheMasterMind1 | they disappeared |
| 01:27.41 | kergoth | hold, let me see if i pushed the USBD bits |
| 01:27.43 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:28.41 | ljp_laptop | hey cool, I have TT's wep key |
| 01:28.54 | kergoth | hehe, oh thatll help you now |
| 01:29.14 | ljp_laptop | :) true |
| 01:32.09 | ljp_laptop | spice |
| 01:35.49 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_laptop: did you move to AU? |
| 01:36.21 | kergoth | hmm, to get the bt changesets from bt-2.4 on linux-bt.bkbits.net, i'll need to push the ARM and collie support forwrad to 2.4.22-pre* |
| 01:36.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:36.30 | ljp_laptop | not yet. :( |
| 01:36.30 | kergoth | anyone want a 2.4.22-pre-rmk-cl tree? |
| 01:36.36 | ljp_laptop | still waiting on visa |
| 01:36.49 | ljp_laptop | but TT has me doing a few things |
| 01:37.03 | ljp_laptop | like flashing a qtopia 1.6.2 rom on this c700 |
| 01:37.12 | ljp_laptop | woot! |
| 01:37.54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I'll be merging the corgi support into our oz 2.4 bkbits repo soon. probably poodle shortly after that |
| 01:38.03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we get to clean up and rewrite more lineo code.. greattt |
| 01:38.05 | ljp_laptop | need a bigger cf so I can backup this rom first |
| 01:38.06 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:38.08 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 01:38.15 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds like fun |
| 01:38.40 | kergoth | so, I'll do the finishing touches on collie soon |
| 01:38.46 | kergoth | I cant test touchscreen, so i'll need testers on that |
| 01:39.28 | ljp_laptop | hehehe/. that frickin sucks |
| 01:39.33 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: ? |
| 01:39.47 | ljp_laptop | your ts |
| 01:40.00 | kergoth | yeah, no kidding |
| 01:40.13 | kergoth | you'd think i'd buy a hardcover case now, considering my luck so far |
| 01:40.26 | ljp_laptop | I might have to compile some opie apps for inclusion on this rom |
| 01:40.36 | treke|home | hard cover cases are too fricken big |
| 01:40.44 | kergoth | true |
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| 01:41.01 | ljp_laptop | wasnt some guy going to build and sell aluminum cases for the z? |
| 01:41.05 | kergoth | my dad's a toolmaker/modelmaker/machinist, i'll get him to make me one with the new OE logo on it |
| 01:41.19 | treke|home | damn |
| 01:41.29 | treke|home | I was hoping the OE logo was forgotten |
| 01:41.40 | kergoth | heh, I need to decide what to do about that |
| 01:41.52 | kergoth | cause pingi is getting old, and doesnt fit OE well |
| 01:42.16 | ljp_laptop | have a vote |
| 01:42.32 | treke|home | I've seen better looking logos at the bottom of toilet bowls |
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| 01:42.54 | ljp_laptop | have hardwire come up with something |
| 01:43.24 | kergoth | votes suck, since most people are idiots |
| 01:43.50 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: how soon is soon :) |
| 01:44.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: well, my 55000 is at home and i'm at work, or i'd confirm the battery switch works now |
| 01:44.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:44.15 | kergoth | s/000/00 |
| 01:44.31 | treke|home | kergoth: So walk home. get your 5500 . come back |
| 01:44.51 | treke|home | you lazy bastard |
| 01:44.55 | kergoth | with my badge that only lets me in the building *sometimes*? i did that last friday, and never got back into the building |
| 01:44.58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:45.12 | treke|home | ha |
| 01:45.17 | treke|home | whats wrong with your badge? |
| 01:45.27 | kergoth | dunno, i think it half melted sitting in my car one day |
| 01:45.30 | kergoth | damn black leather interior |
| 01:45.54 | ljp_laptop | wow, it even has cancel/ok buttons on the back |
| 01:46.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:46.16 | kergoth | having fun ljp_laptop? |
| 01:46.23 | ljp_laptop | yup |
| 01:46.28 | kergoth | never did finish the autorotate bits for opie |
| 01:46.36 | ljp_laptop | this is really alot nicer than my 5000d |
| 01:46.51 | treke|home | the 5000d is a por excuse for a pda |
| 01:47.26 | ljp_laptop | well, I havent given sharp any money yet... soo... I dont care |
| 01:47.38 | treke|home | sweet |
| 01:47.44 | treke|home | I finally ripped this dvd properly |
| 01:47.47 | treke|home | on try #3 |
| 01:49.50 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_laptop: axim or c750? |
| 01:50.00 | ljp_laptop | c700 |
| 01:50.01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: c700, he got a loaner |
| 01:50.04 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 01:50.06 | TheMasterMind1 | fun |
| 01:50.24 | kergoth | heh, i bought a sharp tv, since i trust their hardware |
| 01:50.29 | ljp_laptop | ya, as long as I dont brick it, it will be fun |
| 01:50.34 | ljp_laptop | hahaha |
| 01:50.42 | ljp_laptop | I have a sharp vacuum I found |
| 01:50.51 | kergoth | a sharp vacuum? |
| 01:50.51 | treke|home | piece of shit |
| 01:50.58 | ljp_laptop | I used to have a sharp calculator |
| 01:51.05 | ljp_laptop | ya, vacuum |
| 01:51.13 | ljp_laptop | nice, actually |
| 01:51.19 | kergoth | treke|home: mine has this option where you can control the aspect ratio, right.. well the annoying thing is half the time you *have* to, cause it doesnt automatically adjust |
| 01:51.29 | kergoth | treke|home: so half the time i watch a dvd i have to go into the menus and fucking change it |
| 01:51.31 | treke|home | kergoth: Well I've got a cheap sharp tv :) |
| 01:51.33 | kergoth | drives me nuts |
| 01:51.39 | TheMasterMind1 | use mplayer :) |
| 01:51.41 | kergoth | i lvoe it otherwise |
| 01:51.42 | ljp_laptop | does your sharp tc sync with your zaurus? |
| 01:51.43 | TheMasterMind1 | and mencoder to rip |
| 01:51.45 | ljp_laptop | tv |
| 01:51.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:51.55 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: dood. dvd::rip |
| 01:52.01 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:52.14 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: took you three tries :) |
| 01:52.15 | treke|home | kergoth: I'm annoyed there is no audio out on it :) |
| 01:52.22 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: Yeah, but it's still cool |
| 01:52.55 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: It took me three tries since I kept choosing the directors commentary track for audio |
| 01:53.03 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:53.04 | TheMasterMind1 | oops |
| 01:53.10 | ljp_laptop | does this have a mic on it? |
| 01:53.10 | kergoth | heheh. i picked up a flat screen 27". i was going to just pick up some cheap ass Apex 23", but then i'm like ahh wtf. if i'm going to drop this cash i may as well get something decent |
| 01:53.33 | kergoth | dunno |
| 01:53.49 | treke|home | Its annoying to have to keep turning my speakers on and off depending on what I'm watching :) |
| 01:54.02 | kergoth | hah, that would get annoying fast |
| 01:54.42 | treke|home | I like simple when It comes to audio video stuff |
| 01:54.52 | treke|home | "push play" |
| 01:55.16 | kergoth | yeah, me too |
| 01:55.30 | treke|home | instead of "switch svideo switch to dvd. Turn receiver to aux1. Switch tv to input 2. Press play" |
| 01:55.35 | kergoth | the laziness is really in high gear when sitting in front of a tv |
| 01:56.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: k, the core oz 2.4 tree now has russ dill's backlight core, wireless extensions 16, USBD, and a couple other minor bits. the collie specifics are in that tree. |
| 01:56.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: let me know when you try it |
| 01:57.36 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: k, willdo |
| 01:59.09 | icefox | http://www.palminfocenter.com/print.asp?ID=5666&s=1 <- :) |
| 01:59.20 | ljp_laptop | ok, enough fooling around |
| 02:01.19 | kergoth | treke|home: you seen kernel.kolivas.org/2.5? |
| 02:01.21 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:01.31 | treke|home | kergoth: nope |
| 02:02.08 | icefox | Ooh. I feel my previously-unwavering desire for a Zaurus 760 [dynamism.com] beginning to wane... |
| 02:02.08 | icefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.10 | icefox | From /. |
| 02:02.11 | icefox | haha |
| 02:02.45 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i saw that.. didn't look too exciting |
| 02:04.52 | kergoth | not exciting, but anything that'll prevent skipping is iworth looking at |
| 02:04.53 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:05.04 | treke|home | wtf |
| 02:05.09 | TheMasterMind1 | that is true |
| 02:05.11 | treke|home | "It should vibrate for about a second and then go quiet, after which time |
| 02:05.12 | treke|home | you will get a boot> prompt on the serial console. " |
| 02:05.19 | kergoth | err? |
| 02:05.25 | kergoth | it vibrates for a second? |
| 02:05.34 | treke|home | The ipaq 5450 |
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| 02:08.35 | treke|home | <tyme> should i be doing pcp as root or a normal user? |
| 02:09.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:10.04 | kergoth | gotta love out of context quotes |
| 02:10.51 | kergoth | k, harlekin will be happy, pulled recent bluetooth patch into our tree. |
| 02:11.05 | kergoth | still tempted to create a ton of trees to keep these patches seperate |
| 02:11.20 | treke|home | cool |
| 02:11.28 | treke|home | I need to updated the various bluez packages |
| 02:11.44 | treke|home | and eventually make a seperate bluez-kernel package |
| 02:11.52 | kergoth | work with harlekin, since he knows whats up on that front |
| 02:12.06 | kergoth | well, bluez folks dont distribute the bluez modules as a seperate package anymore |
| 02:12.12 | kergoth | so we'd have to write a makefile for it |
| 02:12.23 | TheMasterMind1 | hows opie going btw.. 1.0 out yet? |
| 02:12.31 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: End of the month |
| 02:12.36 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 02:17.02 | chouimat | sniff sniff sniff something smell weird here |
| 02:18.06 | ljp_laptop | does familiar use wireless_tools or wlan-ng |
| 02:18.26 | kergoth | there are packages for both, but wireless-tools is preferred, afaik |
| 02:19.08 | ljp_laptop | hmm, ok |
| 02:26.32 | fdask | whats a good linux distrobution with packages making cross compiler setup relatively pain free? |
| 02:26.45 | kergoth | crosscompiler setup is distribution agnostic |
| 02:27.00 | ljp_laptop | debian |
| 02:27.04 | kergoth | distro wont really affect the issues you run into or dont run into |
| 02:27.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:27.35 | fdask | hrmm |
| 02:27.38 | ljp_laptop | must be all the excitement |
| 02:27.40 | kergoth | bleh, ran out of hd space, too many kernel trees |
| 02:27.51 | ljp_laptop | raid |
| 02:27.55 | fdask | so with deb/redhat, i just need to add some rpms/debs and bingo? |
| 02:28.11 | kergoth | fdask: eh, extract tarball. add to path. ta da! |
| 02:28.12 | ljp_laptop | maybe a few edits, too |
| 02:28.15 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:28.53 | ljp_laptop | 14200k |
| 02:29.08 | fdask | hrmm |
| 02:29.37 | fdask | i wonder if cross compiler setup on a bsd machine would be any different? |
| 02:31.07 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.07 | kergoth | Say Y here if you want to be able to use the ciphers that are |
| 02:31.07 | kergoth | provided by the CryptoAPI as loop transformation. This might be |
| 02:31.07 | kergoth | used as hard disk encryption. |
| 02:31.09 | kergoth | sweet. |
| 02:32.16 | ljp_laptop | only hackers use crypto |
| 02:32.29 | ljp_laptop | and FBI |
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| 02:34.49 | chouimat | kergoth: which kernel is that? |
| 02:35.03 | kergoth | chouimat: 2.6.0-test1-mm1 |
| 02:35.08 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:35.13 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.6.0.. |
| 02:35.13 | TheMasterMind1 | yum |
| 02:35.15 | TheMasterMind1 | i wanna try that |
| 02:35.19 | TheMasterMind1 | tell me if it works |
| 02:35.22 | kergoth | its just the next revision of 2.5 |
| 02:35.26 | kergoth | and 2.5.74 was working fine for me |
| 02:35.30 | kergoth | so i doubt it'll blow up |
| 02:35.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:35.46 | treke|laptop | I just wish I could make this wireless card work right |
| 02:36.03 | kergoth | gonna test -mm1 + con's O patches, see how the mp3 playback holds up with other interactive processes |
| 02:36.09 | kergoth | treke|home: that linksys? |
| 02:36.18 | kergoth | or.. |
| 02:36.18 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:36.22 | treke|laptop | my poldhu |
| 02:36.23 | chouimat | kergoth: usuable like ck on a desktop? |
| 02:36.28 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:36.40 | treke|laptop | the linksys also, but I'll ask on the hostap list one of these days |
| 02:36.41 | TheMasterMind1 | all those ck3 patches were derived from 2.5.x right? |
| 02:36.44 | kergoth | chouimat: seems pretty usable, yeah. |
| 02:36.50 | treke|laptop | kergoth: There's something f*cked in the irq handling |
| 02:36.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: well, the ck was a patchset. included preempt and shit, and half of that is in 2.5.x as is |
| 02:36.58 | kergoth | treke|laptop: whats it doing? |
| 02:36.59 | chouimat | kergoth: will update this weekend then |
| 02:37.11 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 02:37.40 | treke|laptop | kergoth: I get's call traces from poldu_interrupt, and every so often it disables irq3 |
| 02:37.58 | kergoth | treke|laptop: ah, odd |
| 02:38.12 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 02:38.25 | TheMasterMind1 | bootsplash probably applies to 2.5 cleanly.. thats the other other patch im' using |
| 02:39.41 | TheMasterMind1 | i feel like running 2.6.0-test1-ac2-mm1 =P |
| 02:40.01 | kergoth | there's a mm patch against -ac? |
| 02:40.06 | TheMasterMind1 | prolly not |
| 02:40.11 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:40.20 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't even know what mm1 is |
| 02:40.33 | kergoth | 2.{6.0-test1{,-{ac2,osdl2,mm1}} <-from the #kernelnewbies topic on oftc |
| 02:41.05 | TheMasterMind1 | what is the difference between em |
| 02:41.34 | kergoth | dunno whats in ac, but i've had good luck with the mm trees to date, and it includes some bits from con |
| 02:41.57 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 02:41.59 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll use that then |
| 02:43.06 | TheMasterMind1 | where do i find these patches? |
| 02:43.17 | TheMasterMind1 | mm1 and con's O patches |
| 02:43.27 | kergoth | mm1 is in kernel/people/akpm/ on kernel.org |
| 02:43.34 | kergoth | con's O patches are at kernel.kolivas.org/2.5 |
| 02:43.45 | kergoth | grab O6, O6.1, and O7 and apply them in order |
| 02:44.41 | TheMasterMind1 | The requested URL /kernel/people/akpm/ was not found on this server. |
| 02:44.52 | kergoth | ~lart TheMasterMind1 |
| 02:45.02 | kergoth | ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/ |
| 02:45.10 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 02:45.11 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:46.03 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl|away: here? |
| 02:46.42 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot botmail for mickeyl|away did you ever get a patch for orinoco that supported both scanning and monitor mode? i wanna use it on my laptop =D |
| 02:46.54 | kergoth | wonder if 2.6.0-test1 is WE16 |
| 02:48.02 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: nice joke: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/metallica.asp |
| 02:56.43 | TheMasterMind1 | i would hope so |
| 02:57.51 | ljp_laptop | aaawwwww, my cat found a bug.. |
| 02:59.38 | treke|laptop | kergoth: Cool news. Looks like gpe is starting to push cross compilation |
| 03:00.21 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: is it we16? |
| 03:00.23 | kergoth | treke|laptop: nice. |
| 03:00.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, so you have iwspy support |
| 03:00.52 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 03:01.00 | TheMasterMind1 | just need it enabled in orinoco |
| 03:01.12 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:06.02 | ljp_laptop | hmm, samba package is broken. not copmpiling |
| 03:07.45 | yeiazel | 'lo ppl |
| 03:07.50 | yeiazel | 05:00 |
| 03:07.51 | yeiazel | time to work |
| 03:09.05 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
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| 03:09.57 | yeiazel | I'll not go back to my home to sleep 2 hours to come back here at work in 4 hours :) |
| 03:11.10 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm, should i use kernel pcmcia or pcmcia-cs |
| 03:11.51 | ljp_laptop | time to eat. I'm hungry |
| 03:13.26 | TheMasterMind1 | i wonder if vmware works with this kernel |
| 03:13.31 | TheMasterMind1 | and ath_pci |
| 03:14.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fyi, orinoco in the 2.6 kernel tree supports iwspy |
| 03:14.13 | kergoth | i'd try that |
| 03:15.02 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 03:15.05 | TheMasterMind1 | screw pcmcia-cs |
| 03:15.24 | TheMasterMind1 | need to compile dri with this one too |
| 03:17.42 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa.. nfsv4 |
| 03:19.41 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa.. alsa in the kernel |
| 03:19.43 | TheMasterMind1 | so sweet |
| 03:19.56 | kergoth | first time building a recent 2.[56] tree eh? |
| 03:19.57 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:20.10 | kergoth | I'll push Z support forward one of these days |
| 03:20.45 | treke|laptop | kergoth: you know, you might want to look atht he hh.o 2.6 tree |
| 03:20.45 | treke|laptop | it might be a cleaner place to pull their patches from |
| 03:20.56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yep =P |
| 03:20.56 | kergoth | yeah, i'll definately look at what they've done |
| 03:21.08 | treke|laptop | without years of accumulated cruft :) |
| 03:21.11 | kergoth | and i botmailed jamey letting him know i'd like to work with him on handling the deviceisms using the device model |
| 03:22.27 | kergoth | i'd like to see more coordination, particularly on the kernel front. |
| 03:22.39 | kergoth | distro-wise, there wont be much coordination due to differing build processes |
| 03:22.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:22.51 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, menuconfig all done |
| 03:22.53 | treke|laptop | and different users |
| 03:23.01 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:23.12 | treke|laptop | I think most oz users would hate familiar |
| 03:23.25 | TheMasterMind1 | me too |
| 03:23.25 | treke|laptop | in the same way that many familiar users would hate oe/ipaq |
| 03:23.29 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:23.44 | kergoth | oh, along these lines |
| 03:23.48 | kergoth | i was looking at jordan's bootmenu code |
| 03:23.53 | kergoth | it has a plugin interface |
| 03:23.57 | kergoth | currently has text and ncurses plugins |
| 03:24.09 | kergoth | next someone should do a libFB plugin |
| 03:25.48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:25.50 | TheMasterMind1 | someone :) |
| 03:26.09 | kergoth | *cough*twiun*cough* |
| 03:26.11 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:26.20 | TheMasterMind1 | can i not compile 2.6 with gcc3.3? |
| 03:26.40 | kergoth | dunno, i'm building mine with 3.2.3 w/o problems, minus the numerous align warnings |
| 03:26.49 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 03:26.51 | TheMasterMind1 | thats what i'm seeing |
| 03:27.05 | kergoth | i think they jsut added a new -W on the cflags to expose the warnings |
| 03:27.10 | kergoth | didnt see them in 2.5.74 |
| 03:27.40 | TheMasterMind1 | well, if i get any bus errors i know what caused them |
| 03:27.59 | kergoth | x86 is a bit more forgiving on that front |
| 03:28.01 | kergoth | you should be fine |
| 03:31.31 | TheMasterMind1 | Update radeon driver from DRI CVS: add more commands |
| 03:31.32 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 03:31.34 | treke|laptop | man some of this qtopia code is ugly as hell |
| 03:31.38 | TheMasterMind1 | one less thing to worry about :) |
| 03:31.47 | TheMasterMind1 | i hope the vmware modules compile.. |
| 03:33.45 | treke|laptop | hrmmm |
| 03:33.54 | treke|laptop | maybe I should steal the qtopia 1.6 version |
| 03:34.11 | kergoth | treke|laptop: whatcha working on? |
| 03:34.15 | treke|laptop | handwriting |
| 03:34.25 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:34.27 | treke|laptop | harlekin has been pestering me to help with the bug fixing :) |
| 03:34.37 | treke|laptop | so I figured I'd start with something I us |
| 03:34.38 | treke|laptop | use |
| 03:38.03 | TheMasterMind1 | ~pester treke|laptop |
| 03:38.05 | | treke|laptop: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 03:38.05 | ljp_laptop | steal?! |
| 03:38.45 | treke|laptop | ~butt rape TheMasterMind1 |
| 03:39.16 | TheMasterMind1 | ~lart treke|laptop |
| 03:39.38 | kergoth | compiling 2.6.0-test1 on a p3 takes a long fucking time |
| 03:39.48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:40.01 | TheMasterMind1 | i found this thing in proc the other day which lets me control my cpu speed |
| 03:40.02 | TheMasterMind1 | pretty cool |
| 03:40.16 | kergoth | cpufreq? |
| 03:40.37 | TheMasterMind1 | part of acpi |
| 03:40.43 | TheMasterMind1 | didn't have cpufreq in old kernel |
| 03:40.48 | TheMasterMind1 | i enabled it in 2.6 though :) |
| 03:40.53 | treke|laptop | speaking of witch |
| 03:41.02 | treke|laptop | there is a new patch for 2.6.0-test1 and acpi |
| 03:41.10 | TheMasterMind1 | wha?? |
| 03:41.13 | TheMasterMind1 | NOW you tell me? |
| 03:41.14 | TheMasterMind1 | where is it |
| 03:41.22 | treke|laptop | on the acpi website |
| 03:42.52 | TheMasterMind1 | aw man.. |
| 03:42.57 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't wanna recompile |
| 03:44.13 | treke|laptop | dude. |
| 03:44.14 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't look like a very big patch |
| 03:44.19 | treke|laptop | kernels take less than 5 minutes to build |
| 03:44.25 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|laptop: maybe for you |
| 03:44.37 | treke|laptop | TheMasterMind1: Yes. On my 900 mhz celeron laptop |
| 03:44.55 | treke|laptop | TheMasterMind1: Since you've got a centrino, I assume it's at least as fast |
| 03:45.05 | treke|laptop | the fun part is trying to fix your dsdt |
| 03:45.34 | TheMasterMind1 | dsdt? |
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| 03:47.00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: seems its already applied by mm1 or something |
| 03:47.29 | kergoth | heh, screw that |
| 03:47.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: mm1 continas some of those chagnes, it doesnt apply cleanly anyway |
| 03:47.29 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:47.54 | TheMasterMind1 | time to reboot |
| 03:47.55 | TheMasterMind1 | bbiaf |
| 03:53.36 | kergoth | when is this fucking compile going to finish to i can get the fuck outta here |
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| 03:55.21 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 03:55.23 | TheMasterMind1 | radeon fb support is.. lacking |
| 03:55.25 | TheMasterMind1 | specifically the part where it actually outputs stuff to the display |
| 03:56.43 | kergoth | you probably forgot to enable the framebuffer console |
| 03:56.46 | kergoth | which isnt enabled by default |
| 03:56.49 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 03:56.50 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 03:57.04 | kergoth | take a look at the console/video options |
| 03:57.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:58.30 | TheMasterMind1 | wheres that |
| 03:59.30 | TheMasterMind1 | do i want profiling? |
| 04:00.39 | kergoth | i doubt you'll need it |
| 04:01.45 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 04:01.51 | TheMasterMind1 | i still can't find framebuffer console |
| 04:03.20 | kergoth | enable.... vesa FB, in graphics options. non modular. dunno what other options you ened, but i have that one enabled here |
| 04:03.55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm k |
| 04:03.59 | TheMasterMind1 | i just enabled ati radeon only |
| 04:07.43 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf, i still don't have a framebuffer_console |
| 04:10.11 | TheMasterMind1 | menu "Console display driver support" |
| 04:10.14 | TheMasterMind1 | dont' even see that |
| 04:10.21 | kergoth | whats it depend on? |
| 04:10.24 | kergoth | brb, rebooting |
| 04:11.20 | TheMasterMind1 | checking |
| 04:11.32 | TheMasterMind1 | if VT |
| 04:11.32 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.32 | TheMasterMind1 | endif |
| 04:13.09 | TheMasterMind1 | aha |
| 04:13.10 | kergoth | so virtual terminals arent enabled in your character devices |
| 04:13.17 | TheMasterMind1 | needs input |
| 04:13.23 | TheMasterMind1 | which for strange reasons is disabled |
| 04:13.43 | ljp_laptop | hey cool. looks like I might get to go soon, on a short stay visa while I wait for the long stay visa |
| 04:14.35 | TheMasterMind1 | need that new config system where it selects what it depends on |
| 04:15.14 | ljp_laptop | yup, autodep |
| 04:17.48 | TheMasterMind1 | do ceramic caps get damaged by heat? |
| 04:19.20 | ljp_laptop | they can |
| 04:20.12 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 04:21.31 | treke|home | sweet |
| 04:21.41 | chouimat | arrrgggg |
| 04:21.51 | treke|home | the qtopia 1.6 handwriting might fix one of the major opie-handwriting bugs |
| 04:21.58 | kergoth | nice |
| 04:22.00 | ljp_laptop | heh |
| 04:22.11 | ljp_laptop | whodda thunkit? |
| 04:22.17 | treke|home | I've got a 1000 line diff of the important stuff to start going through |
| 04:22.36 | ljp_laptop | fun |
| 04:23.31 | chouimat | ok in 8hours it will be the exact time I dicthed my ex-wife 3.5 years ago |
| 04:23.44 | kergoth | chouimat: gonna celebrate? |
| 04:24.10 | chouimat | kergoth: probably ... but I will be up for 36hours so .... |
| 04:24.18 | treke|home | <chouimat> Only if I can get the neighbor drunk enough |
| 04:24.31 | chouimat | treke|laptop: ? |
| 04:25.00 | ljp_laptop | no, you mean the girl at the grocery store |
| 04:25.02 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 04:25.24 | TheMasterMind1 | kernel build... building modules.. |
| 04:25.56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dont use make modules/make dep/.make zImage, its just make |
| 04:25.59 | kergoth | fyi |
| 04:26.15 | TheMasterMind1 | i used make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 04:26.30 | TheMasterMind1 | bbiaf |
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| 04:35.54 | treke|home | ljp_laptop: btw, I can confirm that opie freezes while scanning cards |
| 04:35.55 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 04:35.57 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 04:35.58 | TheMasterMind1 | it kinda worked.. |
| 04:36.00 | TheMasterMind1 | still didn't show anything on fb |
| 04:36.02 | TheMasterMind1 | but X started up |
| 04:36.04 | TheMasterMind1 | if i go to tty1 its all screwed up |
| 04:36.27 | treke|home | why are you using fb? |
| 04:36.55 | TheMasterMind1 | lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 04:37.05 | TheMasterMind1 | cooler fonts, tvout |
| 04:37.16 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: install modules-init-tools |
| 04:37.48 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 04:38.48 | TheMasterMind1 | my touchpad is also 50x faster now |
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| 08:30.33 | chouimat | hi mickeyl |
| 08:30.59 | chouimat | http://www.theonion.com/onion3927/normally_i_enjoy.html |
| 08:31.46 | mickeyl | morning chouimat |
| 08:32.17 | chouimat | mickeyl: I'm up since 8h00EST yesterday ... too much works :( |
| 08:32.41 | mickeyl | chouimat: d'oh... certainly time to get some sleep for you |
| 08:33.02 | chouimat | mickeyl: I can't I must take the bus at 7h25 for quebec city ... |
| 08:33.59 | mickeyl | ah well... weekend is near... you can rest or do you have work on weekend? |
| 08:35.07 | chouimat | mickeyl: I'm trying to finish everything so I can at least enjoy some day but I need to came up with a backup solution for next week (and the customer dodn't have enough money for the job so I must find him a opensource soolution) |
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| 08:41.51 | Twiun | Goood morning! |
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| 08:42.39 | mickeyl | morning Twiun |
| 08:42.57 | Tony_ | dumb newbie question, has anyone created a ported Linux in any shape or form to the Palm IIIc |
| 08:43.24 | chouimat | Tony_: check sf.net |
| 08:44.00 | mickeyl | there is a port. can't remember where i read that though |
| 08:49.48 | mickeyl | yahoo |
| 08:50.16 | mickeyl | c750 source code released |
| 08:50.42 | pb_ | wahey |
| 08:50.58 | pb_ | that's good timing. my c750 should be here this morning :-) |
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| 08:54.56 | mickeyl | pb_: yeah - mine came two days ago. really good timing :) |
| 08:57.13 | Twiun | Anyone used HPUX? |
| 08:58.05 | mickeyl | in former times, i had to... nowawdays not |
| 09:00.15 | pb_ | yah, same here. haven't used hpux for the best part of ten years, I guess. |
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| 09:10.07 | Twiun | hehe |
| 09:11.07 | Twiun | ok, question I have is.... how different is it to using solaris/linux today? |
| 09:16.24 | mickeyl | well... it is UNIX. but it has its own quirks |
| 09:18.33 | Twiun | I'm wondering wether I can pick up the quirks quickly enough to add HPUK onto my cv |
| 09:18.46 | Twiun | I've used it - but only very briefly |
| 09:18.49 | pb_ | yeah. if you install the GNU tools, you can have a fairly bearable user experience with hpux. Administering it is a bit more tricky, but there's no magic involved: it's just another OS variant. |
| 09:22.10 | Twiun | cool |
| 09:22.12 | Twiun | AIX? |
| 09:22.18 | Twiun | same story for me :) |
| 09:22.39 | pb_ | I've never used AIX at all. I imagine the same applies though. |
| 09:24.54 | lsmith | doh! |
| 09:24.58 | lsmith | my zaurus is dead! |
| 09:25.25 | pb_ | doh! |
| 09:26.04 | lsmith | and i have no idea why |
| 09:26.42 | lsmith | only thing i did was try out some app from a friend that writes to the framebuffer |
| 09:27.00 | lsmith | but it didnt load "bus error" .. probably because i have vnc installed |
| 09:27.08 | lsmith | but that didnt crash anything |
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| 09:27.15 | lsmith | but since the last time i put it into sleep |
| 09:27.21 | lsmith | its not waking up anymore |
| 09:27.28 | lsmith | its not even charging |
| 09:30.00 | Twiun | pb_: interested in giving me some critique on my CV? |
| 09:35.45 | pb_ | Twiun: sure. want to email it to me? pb@nexus.co.uk |
| 09:39.37 | Twiun | http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/cv20030718.doc |
| 09:39.39 | Twiun | easier :) |
| 09:39.59 | Twiun | I've already got the majority up on the web - so it's no secret, but I've been revising it |
| 09:42.14 | pb_ | righto |
| 09:42.18 | pb_ | I'll take a look soonest. |
| 09:47.53 | Twiun | cheers |
| 09:48.50 | chouimat | hi Twiun |
| 09:52.50 | pb_ | yay, c750 has arrived |
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| 09:53.11 | mickeyl | congrats :) |
| 09:53.24 | mickeyl | pb_: while it is really cool, i'm longing to get OZ on that... |
| 09:53.41 | mickeyl | pb_: i'm afraid you won't have time to help us doing the ugly kernel work? |
| 10:01.42 | mickeyl | ok... no he is away for the next hours... playing :) |
| 10:01.46 | mickeyl | s/no/now |
| 10:07.08 | pb_ | mickeyl: Mmm, maybe. I'd like to try to get some closer integration between the Z kernel and the work going on at handhelds.org, so this might be a good chance. |
| 10:09.06 | mickeyl | pb_: that would be pretty cool! |
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| 10:40.50 | ljp_laptop | thats funny. the sources for c750 are announced and 1.5 hours later, someone asks when the oz rom will be available. hehehehehe |
| 10:43.24 | Twiun | they just *know* there are miracle workers in here |
| 10:44.10 | pb_ | heh |
| 10:44.30 | HCl | ibot, oz buildroot |
| 10:44.31 | | i heard oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 10:48.04 | ljp_laptop | man oh man |
| 10:48.50 | Twiun | ? |
| 10:50.03 | ljp_laptop | that c700 arrived yesterday |
| 10:50.37 | ljp_laptop | and I need to compile wlan-ng |
| 10:51.57 | pb_ | remind me again why you need wlan-ng? |
| 10:53.38 | ljp_laptop | cause qtopia uses it |
| 10:54.13 | pb_ | oh yeah. |
| 10:54.28 | ljp_laptop | I got my wifi up on it, but I had to supply a couple files |
| 10:54.48 | ljp_laptop | and the wlan-ng makefile is in an old format, so I have to redo that |
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| 12:05.17 | mickeyl | wlan-ng is b0rken by design |
| 12:08.40 | ljp_laptop | so I read in the readme. I'll have to get warwick to use either, I suppose |
| 12:10.50 | mickeyl | right. linux wireless extensions have a good API and a standard. |
| 12:11.09 | mickeyl | apart from some wicked USB adapters, no need to use wlan-ng |
| 12:12.08 | ljp_laptop | seems like iwconfig is a natural way to go |
| 12:12.22 | mickeyl | yep. |
| 12:13.14 | mickeyl | or even better... use the ioctl interface provided by the linux kernel, which is what we will eventually use in Opie 2. I already wrapped the best part of it in libopienet |
| 12:14.03 | mickeyl | iwconfig is just a command line wrapper for the ioctl interface, so basically using iwconfig is easier but relies on external tools and is slower because of external process usage |
| 12:14.15 | ljp_laptop | looks like TT might go ahead with a short stay visa while I wait for my long term stay visa. |
| 12:14.36 | mickeyl | well... how long must you wait for it? this is ridiculous |
| 12:14.54 | ljp_laptop | warwcik said he;s seen it take up to 16 weeks |
| 12:15.00 | ljp_laptop | been 8 |
| 12:15.26 | mickeyl | 16 weeks.... phew |
| 12:15.29 | mickeyl | quite a long time |
| 12:17.24 | ljp_laptop | and I am anxious to get there |
| 12:17.55 | mickeyl | can imagine that, yeah. |
| 12:18.13 | mickeyl | you still have some income while you're waiting? |
| 12:19.49 | ljp_laptop | a little bit |
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| 12:33.06 | mickeyl | Sugar: what is 115 USD in EUR |
| 12:33.09 | Sugar | 115 US$ is 100.28 EUR |
| 12:33.12 | mickeyl | hmmm |
| 13:02.02 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
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| 13:06.12 | ljp_laptop | uuhhhh.. hjmmm |
| 13:08.44 | mickeyl | This is the price for the C760 batteray EA-BL08K. I'm thinking to upgrade my C750 with it. |
| 13:08.57 | mickeyl | s/thinking/considering |
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| 13:10.55 | ljp_laptop | ahh.. wlan-ng is a pain in the ass to make |
| 13:12.29 | absentia | morn' |
| 13:16.53 | mickeyl | yo |
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| 13:55.29 | absentia | is it me |
| 13:55.37 | absentia | or is the qt make / install really stupid? |
| 13:55.42 | absentia | why does it install right to where you make it? |
| 13:55.48 | absentia | why are people starting to do this? |
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| 13:55.56 | absentia | why can't I make qt here and install it there? |
| 13:56.01 | ljp_laptop | cause you didnt write the .pro file correctly |
| 13:56.15 | absentia | now i have to dig through the 170+MB qt install and try to figure out what is really needed and what isn't |
| 13:56.27 | absentia | the install instructions say set QTDIR and two other vars |
| 13:56.29 | ljp_laptop | npo, just read the tmake or qmake docs |
| 13:56.30 | absentia | ld_library and path. |
| 13:56.34 | absentia | and then configure, make, make install |
| 13:56.36 | absentia | nothing about .pro |
| 13:57.00 | ljp_laptop | for qt itself? |
| 13:57.06 | absentia | besides, if they use configure, they should handle writing to .pro |
| 13:57.07 | absentia | yes |
| 13:57.09 | absentia | qt itself. |
| 13:57.19 | ljp_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.24 | absentia | been therre, done that. |
| 13:57.33 | absentia | schilling [3015]> mv qt /usr/local/ |
| 13:57.41 | absentia | I'll just let it finish moving 170mb to /usr/local |
| 13:57.50 | ljp_laptop | qt needs to be in QTDIR |
| 13:58.03 | absentia | yes |
| 13:58.07 | absentia | but you make qt in qtdir |
| 13:58.11 | absentia | my qt was in ~/qt |
| 13:58.15 | absentia | my QTDIR was /usr/local/qt |
| 13:58.17 | ljp_laptop | and then you run it from QTDIR |
| 13:58.22 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.38 | absentia | ljp: step back one step |
| 13:58.40 | absentia | no qt, making qt |
| 13:58.44 | absentia | making qt NOT IN QTDIR |
| 13:58.49 | absentia | wanna install qt to QTDIR |
| 13:58.56 | absentia | but it doesn't, it installs it to where it wa compiled! |
| 13:59.11 | ljp_laptop | ya, so. thats by design |
| 13:59.20 | absentia | so |
| 13:59.23 | ljp_laptop | i.e. QTDIR |
| 13:59.25 | absentia | how do you trim down that 170mb bs |
| 13:59.30 | absentia | most things |
| 13:59.34 | absentia | make in one location and install into another |
| 13:59.41 | absentia | but I've seen more and more things make and install into the same location |
| 13:59.42 | ljp_laptop | qt is not most things |
| 13:59.47 | absentia | I think people are getting very sloppy/lazy. |
| 14:00.30 | absentia | anyway, doesn't really matter.. just more linsux type bullshit to deal with. |
| 14:00.55 | absentia | lovely |
| 14:01.00 | absentia | and now that I move it to /usr/loca/qt |
| 14:01.04 | absentia | it has hard coded in the old location |
| 14:01.07 | absentia | so I can't make install anymore |
| 14:01.14 | absentia | stupid stupid stupid software |
| 14:02.16 | ljp_laptop | software cant think |
| 14:02.48 | absentia | (not yet) |
| 14:02.58 | absentia | I don't understand why you are having trouble understanding what I am saying. |
| 14:03.16 | ljp_laptop | youdont understand the way qt works apparently |
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| 14:04.34 | absentia | ok |
| 14:04.35 | absentia | you tell me |
| 14:04.38 | absentia | how does qt work. |
| 14:06.49 | ljp_laptop | http://doc.trolltech.com/3.2/install-x11.html |
| 14:07.54 | absentia | look at the last line before 2 |
| 14:08.02 | absentia | it says "the rest of the file assumes that qt is installed in /usr/local/qt" |
| 14:08.03 | absentia | yes |
| 14:08.04 | absentia | fine |
| 14:08.07 | absentia | I *want* qt installed there |
| 14:08.11 | absentia | but I have the source somewhere else |
| 14:08.19 | absentia | when I type "make install" I expect qt to install to /usr/local/qt |
| 14:08.23 | absentia | NOT TO WHERE IT IS |
| 14:08.27 | absentia | so, it seems they're saying |
| 14:08.35 | absentia | you MUST put the src to qt where you want to install it |
| 14:08.43 | ljp_laptop | yes |
| 14:08.43 | absentia | and then configure it there, make it there, install on top of itself |
| 14:08.49 | absentia | and then clean out things you don't want. |
| 14:08.52 | absentia | well, that's not what it says. |
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| 14:09.04 | absentia | since most everything else.... you can compile in one location and install to another |
| 14:09.19 | absentia | they should make it a point to state that qt is DIFFERENT from the "standard" ... |
| 14:09.22 | absentia | that's all I'm saying. |
| 14:09.48 | ljp_laptop | cp $QTDIR/lib/* /usr/local/lib |
| 14:10.09 | ljp_laptop | cp $QTDIR/bin/* /usr/local/bin |
| 14:10.15 | absentia | ya, but then you lose the online docs, html, examples,. etc. |
| 14:10.28 | absentia | but now I ahve a shitload of .os spread all over |
| 14:10.40 | absentia | I bet... if I do a make clean, it will remove the binaries... as well as the .os |
| 14:10.55 | absentia | ljp: yes, I know how to copy files... |
| 14:11.00 | ljp_laptop | no, it leaves thouse untouched |
| 14:11.02 | absentia | I'm just stating... they're not clear. |
| 14:11.06 | absentia | ljp: *whew* |
| 14:11.09 | absentia | I didn't try it |
| 14:11.16 | absentia | it took nearly 6 hours to compile this sh!t. |
| 14:11.36 | absentia | anyway, luckily with 18GB drives, 170mb won't matter... plus, /usr/local/ is on symmetrix.... |
| 14:11.51 | absentia | now to try one of the examples. I can't wait to see my home directory hard coded into the files. |
| 14:11.58 | absentia | I will probably remake just to clean that up. |
| 14:12.24 | absentia | sip is not included in qt.... ? |
| 14:12.35 | ljp_laptop | sip? |
| 14:13.08 | absentia | ld.so.1: ./aclock: fatal: libqt.so.3: open failed: No such file or directory |
| 14:13.22 | absentia | ya, pyqt says it can't find sip.. |
| 14:13.35 | absentia | lovely, the software isn't honoring LD_LIBRARY_PATH ... |
| 14:14.29 | ljp_laptop | never heard of sip |
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| 14:16.05 | absentia | ah. I thought I read something about it... as a separate product. once I convince this thing to run anything, I'll go hunt iot down. just trying to install qt/pyqt so I can learn qt so I can write crap for the pda |
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| 14:16.40 | ljp_laptop | wlan is being a pain in the yin-yang-ng |
| 14:17.41 | absentia | fuck it, the code won't honor ld_library_path, so I'll copy the libs to /usr/loca/lib. |
| 14:20.06 | absentia | ya, very nice widgets, though. |
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| 14:39.42 | absentia | ok, the canvas widget is very impressive. I think I'll like this. |
| 14:39.52 | absentia | now to get my program that can think attached to this thing. |
| 14:39.53 | absentia | :-) |
| 14:40.47 | ljp_laptop | hmmm.. good luck.. :) |
| 14:43.12 | absentia | :-) |
| 14:43.23 | absentia | just a little pet project I've been thinking about for 20 years. |
| 14:45.41 | absentia | nice! |
| 14:45.48 | absentia | qt has put corruption on my root window! |
| 14:46.29 | mickeyl | ? |
| 14:46.42 | mickeyl | what are you doing and on what platform are you doing it |
| 14:47.21 | absentia | grrr, qt directory browser can't follow symlinks |
| 14:48.00 | absentia | mickey: I just have been thinking about what is involved... my question through the 90s was "what is the minimum that is required for a system to be able to learn how to learn"... |
| 14:48.16 | mickeyl | hmmm... ah well... |
| 14:48.18 | absentia | and I think I've answered that. Also, a datastructure that can hold any data, etc. |
| 14:48.38 | mickeyl | good luck then |
| 14:48.53 | absentia | I've been working in perl, to basically create a virtual machine.. that basically re-builds itself to do what it needs to get past what is preventing it from being to do what it needs to do. |
| 14:49.23 | absentia | mostly it is just creating senses at this point. it's a bootstrapping issue, right now. |
| 14:50.16 | absentia | the other annoying thing is that the physical memory of the system will appear as noise to any other filter(s) other than the one(s) that created the memory itself... I'm not sure if I whould worry about that or not. I like parts of it, but noth other parts. |
| 14:50.27 | absentia | or, were you talking about thq qt *GRIN* |
| 14:50.35 | mickeyl | *cough* yes |
| 14:50.36 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 14:50.48 | absentia | rofl |
| 14:50.55 | absentia | I'm in /usr/local/qt/examples |
| 14:51.06 | absentia | did: foreach x (`ls -F | egrep /`) |
| 14:51.07 | absentia | echo $x |
| 14:51.09 | absentia | cd $x |
| 14:51.10 | absentia | ./$x |
| 14:51.11 | absentia | cd .. |
| 14:51.12 | absentia | end |
| 14:51.24 | absentia | and now my root bitmap has little black to red squares.... (on all the desktops) |
| 14:51.27 | absentia | that wasn't there before. |
| 14:51.52 | mickeyl | hmm aha |
| 14:51.59 | absentia | I'm not sure which demo did it... it started with just a little bit under one of the demos, but I'm not sure if that was the first one, now it's 100% on all the virtual screens. |
| 14:52.06 | mickeyl | there is on example which does this |
| 14:52.11 | absentia | ya |
| 14:52.15 | absentia | I figured as much. |
| 14:52.19 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:52.21 | absentia | once I get through the demos, I'll whack the bg |
| 14:52.56 | absentia | I may, once again |
| 14:53.06 | absentia | work on an "empire" interface... these widgets are nice. |
| 14:53.13 | absentia | mickey: what is your feeling of gtk vs qt ? |
| 14:53.22 | mickeyl | absentia: i put it simple |
| 14:53.48 | mickeyl | they're both very great toolkits. i prefer the Qt architecture though. |
| 14:54.01 | mickeyl | and I prefer to program in c++ |
| 14:54.06 | mickeyl | (yeah, i know of gtk--) |
| 14:54.18 | mickeyl | or (even better) python |
| 14:54.25 | mickeyl | which has excellent bindings for both. |
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| 14:56.38 | TigerBus | hiya |
| 14:57.01 | TigerBus | is there a way to view the battery status via SSH ? |
| 14:57.14 | TigerBus | could find anaything in /proc/* ... |
| 14:57.14 | mickeyl | ssh <host> apm -s |
| 14:57.19 | mickeyl | no |
| 14:57.21 | mickeyl | without the -s |
| 14:57.28 | mickeyl | ssh <host> apm |
| 14:57.41 | TigerBus | ahhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 14:57.52 | TigerBus | easier than i thought... :)) thx!! |
| 14:58.49 | TigerBus | bbl |
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| 15:01.14 | absentia | well, I want perlqt |
| 15:01.23 | absentia | but it doesn't seem to exist (really, for pda, etc) |
| 15:01.30 | absentia | perl gtk would be best. |
| 15:01.33 | absentia | (for pda) |
| 15:01.42 | absentia | but it appears that I'll have to learn python and do python qt... |
| 15:01.53 | absentia | I don't think it will hurt to become better with python |
| 15:02.09 | absentia | I've already majorly hacked up some python systems... I just don't think in it yet. |
| 15:03.38 | absentia | the first thing I'm gonna do is write a mahjong game for the zaurus |
| 15:03.55 | absentia | real useful, eh? just tired of both tkc and the other one not having even basic things. |
| 15:04.02 | absentia | also, I'll write ishido for it. |
| 15:04.09 | absentia | just have to rip some tiles / shapes... |
| 15:04.50 | absentia | I found some public cards... etc. |
| 15:10.02 | mickeyl | hi kergoth |
| 15:10.04 | mickeyl | slept well? |
| 15:10.08 | mickeyl | good news! |
| 15:10.14 | mickeyl | C750 sourcecode released |
| 15:11.00 | kergoth | oh nice |
| 15:11.04 | kergoth | they release a rom update yet? |
| 15:11.10 | kergoth | (for the updater.sh...) |
| 15:11.28 | treke|ho1e | pb_: Can you tag hh19a in cvs? |
| 15:11.40 | pb_ | treke|ho1e: oh right, yeah. just a minute. |
| 15:11.52 | mickeyl | kergoth: no idea 'bout details. i just grabbed everything on the download site just in case they're removing it... :D |
| 15:11.59 | absentia | hmm |
| 15:12.01 | absentia | can't kill this demo |
| 15:12.05 | treke|ho1e | pb_: Thanks |
| 15:12.08 | mickeyl | "of course I'm paranoid... everyone is trying to kill me" |
| 15:12.21 | absentia | ya, that's all that's keeping me from getting a 750 |
| 15:12.25 | kergoth | mickeyl: good idea. i still have an old more.sbc.co.jp copy from the 5000d days somewhere :) |
| 15:12.30 | absentia | is that it's different enough that even less is supported on it |
| 15:12.40 | kergoth | eh? |
| 15:12.46 | kergoth | c750 isnt very different from a c700 |
| 15:14.26 | pb_ | treke|ho1e: oh, hm, the machine with my build tree on is powered off. I'll tag it when I get home, probably an hour or so. |
| 15:14.47 | mickeyl | kergoth: by the way... did you take a peek into arch/arm/defconfigs lately? i find that very interesting... |
| 15:15.00 | mickeyl | kergoth: shepherd (without -j) == SL-7500 |
| 15:15.14 | mickeyl | that sounds like a US model if you ask me |
| 15:15.30 | treke|ho1e | pb_: No problem. |
| 15:15.44 | absentia | so, sharp isn't gonna do zaurus for us? is that what I heard? |
| 15:15.48 | treke|ho1e | pb_: 19 is working well enough for me. |
| 15:16.13 | pb_ | treke|ho1e: there were no source changes between the two versions. |
| 15:17.00 | pb_ | hh19 was just a bad build. |
| 15:20.23 | treke|ho1e | oh |
| 15:20.29 | treke|ho1e | then I'll stick with hh19 |
| 15:20.41 | treke|ho1e | I thought there were bugs you fixed |
| 15:21.25 | pb_ | nope. problem with hh19 was that I forgot to freshen my .config prior to compiling, so CONFIG_IPAQ_HAL and a few other important symbols were undefined. |
| 15:21.29 | kergoth | mickeyl: hmm, it does... havent looked at that |
| 15:21.41 | kergoth | mickeyl: do a diff between it and a c7x0 model defconfig |
| 15:22.50 | treke|ho1e | cool |
| 15:23.01 | treke|ho1e | with 19 i updated my config to the tree's bundled one |
| 15:23.23 | pb_ | ah right, then you should be fine. |
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| 15:25.27 | mickeyl | mickeyl@gandalf:~/zaurus/linux/arch/arm/def-configs$ diff shepherd-j shepherd |
| 15:25.27 | mickeyl | --- shepherd-j 2003-04-04 01:56:28.000000000 +0200 |
| 15:25.27 | mickeyl | +++ shepherd 2003-04-04 01:55:58.000000000 +0200 |
| 15:25.27 | mickeyl | @@ -121,10 +121,10 @@ |
| 15:25.27 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.28 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.29 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.32 | mickeyl | -# CONFIG_ARCH_SHARP_SL_E is not set |
| 15:25.33 | mickeyl | +CONFIG_ARCH_SHARP_SL_E=y |
| 15:25.35 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:25.37 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.39 | mickeyl | -CONFIG_ARCH_SHARP_SL_J=y |
| 15:25.41 | kergoth | english, not japanese |
| 15:25.41 | mickeyl | +# CONFIG_ARCH_SHARP_SL_J is not set |
| 15:25.44 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.45 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.47 | kergoth | theres one clue |
| 15:25.47 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.49 | mickeyl | @@ -991,7 +991,7 @@ |
| 15:25.52 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.53 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.56 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.57 | mickeyl | -CONFIG_USBD_PRODUCT_NAME="SL-C750" |
| 15:26.00 | mickeyl | +CONFIG_USBD_PRODUCT_NAME="SL-7500" |
| 15:26.01 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.03 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.05 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.08 | mickeyl | mickeyl@gandalf:~/zaurus/linux/arch/arm/def-configs$ |
| 15:26.09 | mickeyl | shepherd appears to be a C750 with another name |
| 15:26.11 | mickeyl | right |
| 15:26.18 | kergoth | its an english c750 |
| 15:26.18 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:26.21 | kergoth | spiffy! |
| 15:26.25 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 15:26.37 | kergoth | wonder if itll see the light of day |
| 15:26.37 | mickeyl | and there's even a new architecture |
| 15:26.46 | kergoth | new arch? |
| 15:26.49 | mickeyl | ever heard of husky? |
| 15:26.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:26.57 | mickeyl | s/architecture/model |
| 15:27.03 | kergoth | new sharp dog machine name eh? |
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| 15:27.45 | mickeyl | but then again... CONFIG_USBD_PRODUCT_NAME="SL-C750" |
| 15:27.49 | mickeyl | in husky |
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| 15:28.17 | kergoth | odd |
| 15:29.20 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sup |
| 15:29.24 | mickeyl | yeah strange.... in config husky even is a subitem of shepheard |
| 15:29.34 | TheMasterMind1 | apparently framebuffer support in 2.6.0 is screwed |
| 15:29.40 | kergoth | could be proto board vs release |
| 15:30.08 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 15:31.28 | ljp_laptop | husky == c760 ? |
| 15:31.34 | absentia | hmmm |
| 15:31.41 | kergoth | that could be |
| 15:32.37 | mickeyl | sounds reasonable. a diff between shepherd-j and husky-j only reveals +CONFIG_ARCH_PXY_HUSKY=y |
| 15:32.56 | ljp_laptop | ok, got wlan-ng compiling.. need ipks now |
| 15:36.37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: they released kernel sources? |
| 15:36.53 | mickeyl | yea |
| 15:37.22 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 15:38.37 | mickeyl | yeah.... good timing because i own a 750 since yesterday and pb_ since today :) |
| 15:38.48 | absentia | hmm |
| 15:38.49 | absentia | where is sip |
| 15:40.10 | mickeyl | what do you need sip for? |
| 15:40.10 | TheMasterMind1 | did they merge their 700 and 7x0 trees? |
| 15:40.22 | mickeyl | afaik not |
| 15:40.30 | mickeyl | the source lists c750, c760 but not c700 |
| 15:41.49 | mickeyl | d'oh.... there's dpkg on my 750 |
| 15:41.51 | mickeyl | but not ipkg |
| 15:48.14 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 15:48.17 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't rmmod modules |
| 15:48.48 | kergoth | sounds like you didnt enable the ability to unload modules |
| 15:48.59 | TheMasterMind1 | yea prolly |
| 15:49.08 | TheMasterMind1 | amusing |
| 15:49.12 | kergoth | you get your modprobe.conf all setup? |
| 15:49.21 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 15:49.26 | TheMasterMind1 | i installed module-init-tools |
| 15:49.29 | kergoth | I gotta grab a newer XFree86 so i can use the synaptics ts driver |
| 15:49.33 | pb_ | kergoth: you know if busybox modprobe supported aliases in /etc/modules.conf? doesn't seem to be working for me. |
| 15:49.42 | pb_ | s/supported/supports/ |
| 15:49.45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: there's a script to create a modprobe.conf from your existing modules.conf |
| 15:49.51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: use it, then modify to your liking |
| 15:50.04 | kergoth | pb_: hmm, dunno offhand, I've never trusted busybox modutils, so we never used them in OZ |
| 15:50.12 | pb_ | ah, fair enough |
| 15:50.19 | treke_ | well, this day is off to a great start |
| 15:51.33 | absentia | anyone know where to download "sip" for qt? |
| 15:51.41 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 15:51.43 | mickeyl | riverbankcomputing.co.uk |
| 15:51.52 | absentia | ah, not trolltech |
| 15:51.53 | absentia | thanks |
| 15:52.07 | kergoth | damn, outlook web access doesnt work from links |
| 15:52.09 | kergoth | 2.x |
| 15:52.13 | kergoth | didnt figure it would, but ah well |
| 15:52.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:52.22 | absentia | The homepage of SIP is http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/sip/. |
| 15:52.23 | absentia | got it |
| 15:52.32 | absentia | kergoth: hahahah! |
| 15:52.46 | treke_ | fucking CHP |
| 15:52.53 | TheMasterMind1 | make menuconfig doesn't wipe everything i did in make menuconfig.. |
| 15:52.56 | absentia | you're lucky it works from ie |
| 15:53.01 | kergoth | absentia: trying to avoid using X just for vmware for outlook :) |
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| 15:53.47 | TheMasterMind1 | # using defaults found in /boot/config-2.6.0-test1-mm1 |
| 15:53.48 | TheMasterMind1 | mutter |
| 15:53.52 | TheMasterMind1 | too smart for its own good |
| 15:56.39 | absentia | why? |
| 15:56.45 | absentia | if you have mem, X is nice |
| 15:56.51 | ljp_laptop | finally |
| 15:56.51 | absentia | the only thing I use X for is cut and paste, mostly. |
| 15:56.54 | absentia | I try not to use my mouse. |
| 15:58.12 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: trying this kernel again, this time not using an old 2.4 .config which seems to disable things like module unloading, input devices and consoles |
| 15:58.52 | mickeyl | 2.4.19 on Z? |
| 15:59.07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, i hit that problem too |
| 15:59.12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: better off building the config from scratch |
| 15:59.33 | kergoth | absentia: cause I prefer console in general |
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| 16:08.34 | mickeyl | bbl |
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| 16:09.09 | dc_ | kergoth: hey] |
| 16:09.27 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:09.51 | mewyn | hey kergoth |
| 16:09.51 | dc_ | kergoth: got any idea about irda modules for the kernel in your c700 image |
| 16:10.46 | kergoth | havent looked at any oz stuff in a while |
| 16:10.49 | kergoth | will do so shortly |
| 16:11.04 | dc_ | ah right |
| 16:11.18 | dc_ | shortly as in a few hours...or days? |
| 16:12.05 | TheMasterMind1 | recompiling.. |
| 16:12.26 | TheMasterMind1 | vim -d owns |
| 16:12.26 | kergoth | shortly as in days |
| 16:12.31 | dc_ | heh. |
| 16:12.40 | kergoth | well, i'll work on it some within hours, but whether anything will come of it remains to be seen |
| 16:13.05 | dc_ | kergoth: right, cool. |
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| 16:16.48 | TheMasterMind1 | my mouse sped up by like 50x with 2.6 |
| 16:17.19 | kergoth | yeah, mine too |
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| 16:34.08 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 16:34.10 | TheMasterMind1 | a working fb console |
| 16:36.14 | dc_ | :} |
| 16:36.16 | absentia | france just banned the term "E-Mail" |
| 16:36.22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe, that helps. |
| 16:36.25 | absentia | they're quickly approaching the Taliban. |
| 16:36.32 | dc_ | doh |
| 16:37.10 | kergoth | anyone know the sharp vendor id off the top of their head? |
| 16:37.12 | kergoth | for usbd? |
| 16:38.17 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:42.09 | absentia | weee |
| 16:42.16 | absentia | PyQt finally making. |
| 16:43.43 | TheMasterMind1 | since they turned off the /proc interface |
| 16:44.11 | treke | TheMasterMind1: /sysinfo |
| 16:44.51 | treke | most likely |
| 16:45.48 | TheMasterMind1 | i've never heard of sysfs in my life |
| 16:46.19 | pb_ | it's a new 2.5/2.6 thing. |
| 16:47.01 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 16:48.04 | lsmith | wake up my little zaurus |
| 16:48.08 | lsmith | oh please wake up |
| 16:48.31 | dc_ | hehe |
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| 17:13.35 | kergoth | hm, did i ever get around to converting usbd to use the new ucb1x00 driver i wonder |
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| 17:22.23 | aman | weird. i enabled ati radeon fb but radeonfb never shows up in dmesg and /dev/fb0 isn't a device |
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| 17:37.25 | ljp_laptop | too hot |
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| 17:56.33 | ljp_laptop | must be friday |
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| 17:58.16 | TheMasterMind1 | aw man, vmware modules don't compile with 2.6 |
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| 18:38.36 | absentia | damn |
| 18:38.44 | absentia | pyqt is gonna take as much time as qt to compile |
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| 18:41.45 | *** topic/#openembedded is OpenEmbedded - It Sucks Less!(tm) | News at http://openzaurus.org/ | User support questions in #openzaurus and #openembedded-ipaq | OE Buildroot devs in #buildroot-oe | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?s=5be76b086a395e018104222ab77fc215&act=ST&f=27&t=3668 <- cheap c7x0 with warranty |
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| 18:45.36 | ljpzaurus | hmmm |
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| 19:01.18 | ljp_laptop | hehe, I am scared to flash this thing |
| 19:08.54 | kergoth | argh! |
| 19:09.01 | kergoth | bk doesnt use the http proxy for BKD urls |
| 19:09.18 | ljp_laptop | does my flash media need to be msdos, like on 5000d? |
| 19:09.24 | kergoth | dunno |
| 19:09.44 | ljp_laptop | guess theres only one way to find out |
| 19:09.49 | ljp_laptop | woooo!!! |
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| 19:46.27 | Twiun | yo |
| 19:51.08 | absentia | pyqt finished. |
| 19:53.39 | absentia | yes |
| 19:53.43 | absentia | pyqt runs.... nice. |
| 19:55.06 | absentia | Segmentation fault |
| 19:55.08 | absentia | yeah |
| 19:55.15 | absentia | crashed my first pyqt program in ... 30 seconds? |
| 19:58.51 | TheMasterMind1 | amazing |
| 19:58.54 | TheMasterMind1 | runs nice :) |
| 19:59.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: tried collie-2.4 yet? :) |
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| 20:03.38 | Twiun | absentia: going to debug it yourself or wait for a fix? |
| 20:07.37 | treke | wow |
| 20:07.45 | treke | 2.6.0 just killed interactive performance |
| 20:07.50 | pb_ | neat. |
| 20:08.07 | pb_ | those kernel guys rule. |
| 20:08.34 | kergoth | treke: not using -mm1 eh? |
| 20:08.56 | treke | kergoth: nope |
| 20:09.01 | pb_ | what's -mm1? |
| 20:09.17 | kergoth | akpm's patchset |
| 20:09.34 | kergoth | has scheduler improvements |
| 20:09.40 | pb_ | ah right. |
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| 20:18.52 | absentia | ok |
| 20:18.53 | absentia | good |
| 20:18.56 | absentia | now I can play with qt |
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| 20:18.59 | absentia | I just need to get it at home. |
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| 20:25.29 | kergoth | whee, oz-2.4 has both usbd and usb gadget support now |
| 20:25.34 | bflong | is anyone else unable to build glibc 2.2.4 with gcc 2.95.3? |
| 20:25.40 | kergoth | doesnt have pxa support, that was added to gadget post-2.4.21-release |
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| 20:27.40 | treke | how about sa? |
| 20:28.00 | kergoth | no sa support even in current gadget tree, dunno if its being worked on |
| 20:28.05 | kergoth | if it isnt, we should |
| 20:28.18 | ljp_laptop_ | that cf gets flaky |
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| 20:32.57 | ljp_laptop_ | you sure the c700 initrd.bin doesnt need padded? |
| 20:34.53 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:35.48 | ljp_laptop_ | hmmmmm |
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| 20:50.24 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 20:50.24 | chouimat | bah |
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| 20:50.30 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 20:50.55 | chouimat | anything new? |
| 20:51.33 | kergoth | c750 kernel sources released, taking a look at the usb gadget stack, creating a pxa oz bk tree |
| 20:52.12 | chouimat | kergoth: ok ... stuck in quebec city an i want to sleep damnit (33 hours up) |
| 20:52.24 | kergoth | heh, damn |
| 20:52.38 | absentia | what was that about bk dos? |
| 20:52.41 | absentia | ok, going home |
| 20:52.45 | chouimat | and i miss my cat |
| 20:53.34 | chouimat | ok I have to go ... see you tomorrow night |
| 20:57.15 | kergoth | god i love bk |
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| 21:06.17 | LPotter__ | hmmm |
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| 21:23.07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:23.21 | kergoth | its saving me a great deal of time :) |
| 21:23.48 | kergoth | make rmk 2.4.21 tree, make 2.4.19-rmk7-np2 tree, bk pull and let BK work out what patches were already applied, since it can handle preventing of multiple merges |
| 21:23.51 | kergoth | :D |
| 21:24.01 | pb_ | heh, cool |
| 21:24.57 | kergoth | ta da, pxa support in the 2.4.21 tree without having to do manual merges |
| 21:25.00 | kergoth | beautiful |
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| 21:34.32 | andersee | kergoth: so you have 2.4.21 running on the Z now? |
| 21:35.17 | kergoth | andersee: it compiles, .. err, hey, i forgot, my 5500 is at work,.. should test it :) |
| 21:36.29 | kergoth | oi, i forgot about resolving file create conflicts between 2.4.19-rmk and 2.4.21-rmk |
| 21:37.32 | andersee | kergoth: whats the story re SD on 2.4.21? |
| 21:37.44 | andersee | kergoth: MMC cards only? |
| 21:38.07 | kergoth | andersee: handhelds.org's mmc drivers have sd support.. either we test the sharp binary 2.4.18 module, or add Z support to that mmc driver |
| 21:38.21 | kergoth | or both, the former as short term, latter long term |
| 21:38.49 | andersee | How much effort estimated for adapting the handhelds.org driver? |
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| 21:39.19 | kergoth | probably not much, its just an SPI interface, just a matter of adding the bits to interface with the LoCoMo gate/array on the Z to do the spi |
| 21:39.29 | andersee | But I could swing by some store and get one, then hack on the driver over the weekend. |
| 21:40.07 | andersee | When did they add SD support? /me is impressed |
| 21:40.13 | treke | andersee: last week |
| 21:40.25 | kergoth | treke: ever find anything out on legalities? |
| 21:40.26 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:40.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:40.39 | treke | kergoth: Remember that toshiba document from cal poly? |
| 21:40.47 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:40.48 | treke | kergoth: The guy used that, among other things |
| 21:41.00 | kergoth | ah, he must've got the hardware to find out the missing command |
| 21:41.12 | treke | there was a missing command? |
| 21:41.14 | kergoth | that definately seems questionable |
| 21:41.24 | kergoth | treke: there's only one additional command at init time for sd vs mmc |
| 21:41.35 | kergoth | treke: it was mentioned in the cal poly doc, but *what* it was wasnt said |
| 21:41.39 | kergoth | so he mustve found out |
| 21:41.40 | treke | ah |
| 21:41.56 | kergoth | fyi, the montavista kernel tree i have here has sd support in its mmc stack, and its a modified hadnhelds.org mmc |
| 21:42.10 | Neo|Work | kergoth: is that code gpl? |
| 21:42.10 | kergoth | in the gpl kernel tree, so i could probably redistribute |
| 21:42.16 | kergoth | the handhelds.org bits are |
| 21:42.25 | Neo|Work | so the montavista code has to be |
| 21:42.30 | treke | kergoth: you probably ought to check with tim first :) |
| 21:42.34 | andersee | kergoth: URL? |
| 21:42.35 | Neo|Work | wonder if they are aware of that |
| 21:42.36 | kergoth | treke: yeah, definately |
| 21:42.53 | kergoth | andersee: not on a public site |
| 21:42.57 | treke | kergoth: You may legally be able to redistribute it, but they could still fire your ass :) |
| 21:43.00 | kergoth | brb |
| 21:43.13 | andersee | kergoth: Hmm |
| 21:43.22 | Neo|Work | <kergoth> logging into my anonymous email account, hold on |
| 21:43.24 | Neo|Work | :-) |
| 21:43.26 | andersee | kergoth: in a cvs/bk tree? |
| 21:43.47 | andersee | kergoth: i.e. some way to find it? |
| 21:44.12 | kergoth | its inside their montavista linux CEE, as distributed to TI |
| 21:44.36 | Neo|Work | legally, do they have to distribute it publicly if asked? |
| 21:44.47 | Neo|Work | or is that only if they publicly distributed binaries? |
| 21:45.18 | kergoth | i think its only if they publically distributed binaries. but, it is gpl, and someone who has the gpl code can redistribute legally afaik |
| 21:46.17 | andersee | kergoth: is it built into the kernel, or as a module? |
| 21:46.41 | andersee | kergoth: If it is a standalone module, it _could_ concievably be under some other licence... |
| 21:47.01 | Neo|Work | not if it's based on another GPL module |
| 21:47.04 | Neo|Work | which it seems like it is |
| 21:47.06 | andersee | kergoth: If its built into the kernel, its sharing imte. :) |
| 21:47.10 | andersee | err |
| 21:47.11 | kergoth | andersee: the sd modifications are to handhelds.org's gpl mmc driver |
| 21:47.11 | andersee | time |
| 21:47.16 | andersee | I see |
| 21:47.24 | andersee | GPL'd as can be then |
| 21:47.24 | kergoth | and they added one new file for the omap support, which has a GPL header from mvista |
| 21:47.32 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:47.41 | andersee | sweet |
| 21:47.58 | kergoth | so who wants it? |
| 21:49.12 | treke | the good news is, the cat is out of the bag |
| 21:49.28 | treke | so no matter what ends up happening, open source SD isnt going away |
| 21:49.52 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:50.27 | andersee | Are the secret handshakes and whatnot trade secrets, or patented? |
| 21:50.57 | treke | if they were just patented, i dont think a driver would hae taken so long |
| 21:51.27 | andersee | If merely trade secrets, then SD is now just D... |
| 21:51.32 | kergoth | they kept the info to themselves, and whoever had the info was under NDA. dunno if its restricted beyond that |
| 21:51.40 | kergoth | yeah, thats what it seems like at first glance |
| 21:52.07 | treke | the good thing about patents is, you can't use the technology now, but they can't hide it from you as well :) |
| 22:04.51 | kergoth | resolve: found 755 renames in pass 1 |
| 22:04.52 | kergoth | jeeze |
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| 22:24.00 | ljp_laptop | hmm, no fb device |
| 22:29.08 | mickeyl | grr |
| 22:29.09 | mickeyl | Applying 2 revisions to new file packages/glibc-2.3.2/glibc-2.3.2-200304020432.patch RESYNC/packages/glibc-2.3.2/SCCS/s.glibc-2.3.2-200304020432.patch: file format is ascii, delta is binary. Unsupported operation. |
| 22:29.09 | mickeyl | delta: No such file or directory |
| 22:29.13 | mickeyl | wtf? |
| 22:29.47 | kergoth | someone put that patch in with binary data in it |
| 22:29.51 | kergoth | so it got flagged as binary |
| 22:30.03 | mickeyl | mmh... ~lart schurig |
| 22:30.17 | mickeyl | can i do something about that or must i reclone? |
| 22:30.30 | kergoth | there's probably a bk admin option to change it from binary to ascii |
| 22:30.33 | kergoth | bk help admin |
| 22:30.43 | kergoth | k, have pxa support in our 2.4.21-rmk tree |
| 22:30.54 | mickeyl | we have a 2.4.21-rmk tree? |
| 22:30.56 | mickeyl | since when? |
| 22:31.06 | kergoth | linux-cl.bkbits.net |
| 22:31.08 | kergoth | trees galore |
| 22:31.21 | Neo|Work | I added X-Spam-Status to the list of gnus-extra-headers |
| 22:31.22 | mickeyl | aah. hehe, nice. |
| 22:31.25 | kergoth | nobody's tested collie-2.4 yet |
| 22:31.27 | ljp_laptop | i have no fb device |
| 22:31.30 | kergoth | but its a 2.4.21-rmk tree with collie support |
| 22:31.39 | kergoth | and updated USBD with storage and HID support |
| 22:31.41 | Neo|Work | what that means is that I can filter based on spam status and what tests were triggered |
| 22:31.55 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 22:32.15 | Neo|Work | C-u / x X-Spam-Status<ret>RAZOR<ret> => only show non-razor-listed spams. :) |
| 22:32.23 | ljp_laptop | or any sharp specific devices |
| 22:32.55 | kergoth | i love clone -l |
| 22:32.58 | kergoth | hard links baby |
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| 22:33.29 | Neo|Work | kergoth: any eta on home network yet btw? |
| 22:33.31 | kergoth | I'm thinking today is pizza and alcohol night |
| 22:33.36 | Neo|Work | now that you got cable and stuff |
| 22:33.40 | kergoth | no, the fuckers were supposed to call me this week |
| 22:33.43 | kergoth | do they? hell no |
| 22:33.53 | Neo|Work | ah, nice |
| 22:33.56 | Neo|Work | comcast right? |
| 22:34.03 | ljp_laptop | i'm thinking this c700 kernel has no fb device |
| 22:34.07 | kergoth | nah some broadband company i've never heard of |
| 22:34.18 | kergoth | the cable tv isnt actually cable, its directv |
| 22:34.26 | kergoth | apartment has the dishes on the roof, just rent a receiver |
| 22:34.32 | kergoth | i should buy one though |
| 22:34.36 | Neo|Work | hmm |
| 22:34.40 | Neo|Work | funky |
| 22:34.48 | Neo|Work | you are not getting satellite internet I hope? :P |
| 22:34.53 | kergoth | noo |
| 22:34.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:34.57 | kergoth | that shit's expensive |
| 22:35.14 | treke | DSL |
| 22:35.19 | ljp_laptop | you sure buildroot makes a good kernel?? |
| 22:35.21 | slowhog | kergoth: Out of curiosity, where do you live? |
| 22:35.27 | kergoth | slowhog: dallas, tv |
| 22:35.28 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: yep |
| 22:35.50 | treke | kergoth: Dalls, TV? |
| 22:35.55 | ljp_laptop | hmm, well.. wtf... went wrong here |
| 22:35.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:36.00 | kergoth | cant type |
| 22:36.03 | kergoth | tx |
| 22:38.02 | kergoth | okay, time to rip apart sharp's c750 support |
| 22:38.11 | kergoth | figure out what drivers to clean up, what needs scrapping |
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| 22:38.31 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 22:38.34 | mickeyl | sounds good :D |
| 22:38.46 | kergoth | I wish there was a better tool than diffsplit for looking at individual deltas in a patch |
| 22:38.51 | kergoth | would be *very* nice |
| 22:39.03 | Neo|Work | kergoth: price isn't the main problem of satellite |
| 22:39.06 | Neo|Work | kergoth: latency is |
| 22:39.18 | kergoth | heh, coding remotely would be a nightmare |
| 22:39.33 | kergoth | damnit, i need diffsplit |
| 22:39.50 | Neo|Work | kergoth: so what is that broadband if it's not cable or dsl? vocp? :-) |
| 22:39.53 | treke | diffsplit? |
| 22:40.02 | treke | Neo|Work: A long cat 5 cable |
| 22:40.06 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 22:40.29 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.14 | kergoth | treke: tool that rips apart a patch into a ton of individual patches per-file |
| 22:42.21 | kergoth | treke: its what i used to analyze the hh.o patch |
| 22:42.37 | kergoth | first i split it, then i group the deltas by category |
| 22:42.42 | treke | hmmm. good idea |
| 22:42.49 | kergoth | though obviously some cross multiple cats, since each file actually has multiple deltas |
| 22:42.55 | kergoth | those ya have to handle manually |
| 22:43.14 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 22:43.44 | kergoth | ChangeSets really help group things |
| 22:43.53 | kergoth | its still hard to keep functionality patches seperate though |
| 22:44.02 | treke | yeah |
| 22:44.03 | kergoth | unless we keep one tree per each patch we want kept seperate |
| 22:44.08 | kergoth | which could get annoying fast |
| 22:44.18 | kergoth | though i did that for rmk and pxa |
| 22:44.41 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 22:45.36 | ljp_laptop | i really think I need a fb device |
| 22:46.07 | mickeyl | hmm.... CONFIG_SHARP_SL5500_G results in a change in time.c |
| 22:46.22 | mickeyl | i wonder what that does and if we should enable this in OZ builds for the german models |
| 22:46.50 | kergoth | bleh, why does sharp insist on using disgusting global int's all the time |
| 22:46.58 | kergoth | autoPowerCancel = 0 |
| 22:47.03 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:47.16 | kergoth | their way of preventing autosuspend when various things are happening |
| 22:47.50 | mickeyl | ugly |
| 22:47.53 | mickeyl | hackish |
| 22:48.09 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 22:48.41 | kergoth | course in our 2.4.21 tree, kernel doesnt autosuspend. period. it leaves that to userspace |
| 22:48.52 | kergoth | all kernel does is blank the fb on inactivity |
| 22:49.23 | mickeyl | which is the right thing to do. |
| 22:49.35 | mickeyl | (leaving it to userspace) |
| 22:49.41 | kergoth | gah, why does this tree have to still have COLLIE bits |
| 22:49.53 | kergoth | stuff i painstakingly removed when porting collie forward |
| 22:49.58 | kergoth | now i see it .. again |
| 22:50.00 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:52.21 | kergoth | 106,796 lines of non-device specific code |
| 22:52.29 | kergoth | 61,761 lines of device specific code |
| 22:52.29 | kergoth | heh |
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| 22:57.33 | kergoth | 60 files that affect multiple devices |
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| 22:59.53 | ljp_laptop_ | no one mentioned that to flash, you need the updater.sh |
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| 23:00.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:02.33 | ljp_laptop_ | thats why it wouldnt flash.. :D |
| 23:02.42 | ljp_laptop_ | but still.. no fb.. |
| 23:04.02 | kergoth | hey cool, lineo/sharp added fast context switch support for the pxa255 units |
| 23:04.19 | mickeyl | yeah, noticed that. a fine move |
| 23:04.29 | kergoth | indeed |
| 23:04.41 | kergoth | now to make some of this digestible to be pushed upstream |
| 23:04.43 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 23:07.40 | kergoth | weird |
| 23:09.22 | kergoth | interesting implementation of the key combinations you hold during a battery switch flip for shepher |
| 23:09.26 | kergoth | d |
| 23:10.56 | mickeyl | in how far? |
| 23:11.27 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:11.45 | mickeyl | why is the implementation interesting? |
| 23:11.52 | kergoth | it watches for a combination of keypresses, i.e. m+d, and maps that to a single keycode in the driver, then pushes that up |
| 23:12.14 | mickeyl | ah |
| 23:12.19 | kergoth | personally i'd advocate that being in userspace |
| 23:12.39 | treke | you would, wouldnt you |
| 23:12.39 | mickeyl | hmm... it is questionable, because there maybe is nothing in userspace that could react to this event |
| 23:12.54 | mickeyl | e.g. on updating or system diagnosis |
| 23:13.17 | mickeyl | so parts of it have to be handled in kernel space. but in general, I'm with you on that |
| 23:13.34 | mickeyl | the tendency to do everything in kernel space just it seems easier is a dangerous one |
| 23:13.41 | kergoth | indeed |
| 23:14.12 | kergoth | well, i'm going to start from the base, add the arch/arm/mach-pxa corgi file so i can at least get initialized, see if we can get some serial output |
| 23:14.21 | kergoth | the drivers will need careful review |
| 23:15.09 | mickeyl | they did a lot of stuff to jffs2... was that really necessary? |
| 23:15.28 | mickeyl | are their flash chips that special or what? |
| 23:15.31 | kergoth | nah |
| 23:15.36 | kergoth | they likely just updated to the latest jffs2 from cvs |
| 23:15.38 | kergoth | or something |
| 23:15.47 | kergoth | we already gain that by moving to a more recent kernel |
| 23:15.49 | mickeyl | oh. didn't consider that option... true |
| 23:15.53 | kergoth | so those bits can be ignored |
| 23:16.00 | kergoth | parts of mtd are likely the same situation |
| 23:16.30 | kergoth | then they have their changes to the OOM Kill support ot be able to make it so an app isnt killable |
| 23:16.39 | kergoth | and i think they have some XIP bits in here as well |
| 23:17.32 | kergoth | aha |
| 23:17.41 | kergoth | lineo/sharp implemented the PM direction bits almost exactly the way i did |
| 23:18.01 | mickeyl | did they peeked into linux-cl ? ;) |
| 23:18.05 | mickeyl | s/peeked/peek |
| 23:18.10 | kergoth | heh, theirs is cleaner :) |
| 23:18.46 | mickeyl | heh, python 2.3 rc1 is out. if all goes well, one week and then final |
| 23:18.56 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:19.12 | kergoth | almost forgot about sharp's "Freepg" support, which does the low memory warnings when the number of free pages is low |
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| 23:19.21 | kergoth | not sure the best way for us to implement low memory warnings |
| 23:19.50 | ljp_laptop_ | is the zImage for c700 really 1 mb? |
| 23:20.08 | mickeyl | could be. they compiled a lot of stuff into it instead of as modules |
| 23:20.47 | kergoth | ljp_laptop_: yep |
| 23:21.08 | kergoth | wonder whats with all the irda changes |
| 23:21.32 | kergoth | ah, they pulled in some patches from somewhere |
| 23:21.41 | ljp_laptop_ | zImage or zImage.bin? |
| 23:21.44 | kergoth | zimage.bin |
| 23:21.53 | ljp_laptop_ | ahh haaa!! |
| 23:21.57 | ljp_laptop_ | :) |
| 23:22.18 | ljp_laptop_ | hey, how about I write a faq for flashing the c700, eh? |
| 23:22.27 | kergoth | please do, its been on my todo for ages |
| 23:22.38 | mickeyl | one faq: where can that update.sh be got from and are there different versions for corgi and shepherd? |
| 23:22.44 | mickeyl | (please answer) |
| 23:22.46 | mickeyl | :) |
| 23:22.47 | ljp_laptop_ | it wont be much, a few lines |
| 23:23.07 | ljp_laptop_ | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700/updater.sh |
| 23:23.20 | mickeyl | k - that answers part 1 ;) |
| 23:23.22 | ljp_laptop_ | I got mine from the c700 update rom |
| 23:23.45 | ljp_laptop_ | had to hunt through japanese links for it, but there's one at oz.org |
| 23:27.48 | ljp_laptop_ | hmm, 'can't locate module devinfo' during flash... |
| 23:27.53 | kergoth | harmless |
| 23:29.52 | ljp_laptop_ | hmmm no rebootie |
| 23:31.18 | ljp_laptop_ | I think I will try again... |
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| 23:35.12 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 23:38.09 | ljp_laptop_ | hrrmm, your zImage seems to be booting.. |
| 23:39.02 | kergoth | the corgi scoop handling seems quite a bit cleaner than collie's |
| 23:40.13 | mickeyl | scoop handling? |
| 23:40.18 | mickeyl | what is this? |
| 23:41.10 | kergoth | scoop's a chip in the Z |
| 23:41.16 | mickeyl | oh. ok |
| 23:41.22 | kergoth | it does the buffering for the CF, among other things |
| 23:45.08 | ljp_laptop_ | hmmm, I guess I cant make a c700 kernel |
| 23:45.21 | ljp_laptop_ | what'd you do differently? |
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| 23:46.45 | ljp_laptop_ | eeeewwww.. the date was set at epoc |
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| 23:47.38 | nofpu | I havent had a date since epoc |
| 23:48.01 | ljp_laptop_ | hehhe |
| 23:49.53 | nofpu | :) |
| 23:50.52 | ljp_laptop_ | hmm, keymap seems a bit off. |
| 23:54.03 | ljp_laptop_ | thats just om konsole, though, doesnt like the fn key |
| 23:56.16 | ljp_laptop_ | I like that oz bootlogo on this |
| 23:58.23 | ljp_laptop_ | of course, I'll have to put a TT logo there. :) |