| 00:00.34 | noidd | I gonna scream |
| 00:09.27 | zar | buildroot not building? |
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| 00:33.52 | Twiun | anyone know if the microlibc build option works? |
| 00:34.15 | chouimat|Zzzzz | Twiun: don't know |
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| 00:40.56 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 00:43.24 | Twiun | hey ljp |
| 00:44.03 | ljp_laptop | hello |
| 00:46.41 | ljp_laptop | what up? |
| 00:48.01 | Twiun | not much - moved my buildroot over to my new server |
| 00:48.12 | Twiun | going to start thinking about setting distcc/cache up properly |
| 00:51.53 | ljp_laptop | ahhh |
| 00:54.59 | Twiun | you? |
| 00:56.52 | ljp_laptop | well, took me long enough to log on here, since the freenode.net domain expired today and was down |
| 00:59.57 | ljp_laptop | still getting kinks out of my qtopia image. hoping a certain device will show up this week |
| 01:02.32 | ljp_laptop | trying to figure out why it wont calibrate |
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| 01:48.04 | noidd | allo |
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| 01:48.27 | noidd | anyone alive with a buildroot that can giza a copy of kernel-headers-2.4.18.tar.bz2? |
| 01:48.30 | noidd | :-) |
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| 01:49.45 | noidd | heya ljp |
| 01:50.54 | ljp_laptop_ | hi ya |
| 01:51.41 | ljp_laptop_ | this damn isp autologs me off every 6 hours |
| 01:52.03 | ljp_laptop_ | even if I am in the middle of retrieving a file |
| 01:52.32 | tgall | ljp_laptop: one of my VPN's into work does something similiar |
| 01:53.08 | ljp_laptop_ | man, I cant wait to move and get dsl again. this sucks |
| 01:53.10 | tgall | it's been know to make me furious in the midst of long builds |
| 01:53.16 | tgall | yeah DSL rocks |
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| 02:19.44 | ljp_laptop_ | heh, I had forgotten about qtopia's custom.h stuff.. no wonder ts and sound wasnt working |
| 02:22.57 | masticator | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030713/od_afp/malaysia_offbeat_030713051102 |
| 02:23.00 | masticator | wow that is messed up. |
| 02:25.12 | ljp_laptop_ | now, even if I did have voices telling me to do that, I doubt I would.. |
| 02:28.25 | masticator | you gotta be REALLY high to do that. |
| 02:29.00 | ljp_laptop_ | or very hungry |
| 02:29.08 | ljp_laptop_ | craving hot dog |
| 02:35.33 | masticator | man #linpeople sucks |
| 03:09.27 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.58 | masticator | sup treke |
| 03:15.52 | treke|home | gonna try OE on my axim when it arrives :) |
| 03:17.08 | ljp_laptop_ | thats inconceivable! |
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| 04:14.54 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 04:15.05 | treke|home | I wonder if this is an incompatibility with the 2.4.21 headers |
| 04:21.54 | treke|home | son of a bitch |
| 04:21.57 | treke|home | it was 2.4.21 |
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| 05:02.05 | icefox | ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6 |
| 05:02.20 | treke|home | yes |
| 05:02.29 | treke|home | 2.5.74 was the last 2.5 release |
| 05:05.12 | treke|home | Keep in mind there was a 6 month delay from the last 2.3 to 2.4.1 |
| 05:13.00 | fdask | is 2.6 like feature frozen or whatever? |
| 05:14.09 | treke|home | probably kinda slushy |
| 05:14.23 | treke|home | kind of a "we are gonna release this one of these days" kicks in the ass |
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| 07:05.26 | funkyjoe | I have a question about the make image in buidroot. it always tells me that there are unmet dependencies... qpf-bitstream-vera but i have tested it with the light and full package. |
| 07:06.19 | treke|laptop | remove the qpf-bitstream-full package from output/ipks |
| 07:06.25 | treke|laptop | (or remove light) |
| 07:15.13 | funkyjoe | ok, so i have to select one of these packages and remove the other one. right? |
| 07:21.50 | treke|laptop | yes |
| 07:31.25 | funkyjoe | ok thanks. |
| 07:32.23 | funkyjoe | now make image reports that opie-alarm conflicts with atd, althought atd is not made and installed!? |
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| 08:36.30 | cmartin|away | hi mickey |
| 08:37.24 | cmartin | mickeyl: jens sure did test a lot of devices for us according to the forum |
| 08:38.08 | cmartin | mickeyl: i did run into a problem this weekend with my new image... |
| 08:38.40 | cmartin | the CF memory card that always worked before causes opie to crash when i put in the simpad |
| 08:39.16 | cmartin | if i leave in in at reboot it is mounted fine, but when i put it in while opie runs, it crashes |
| 08:39.49 | cmartin | i need to connect to the console when this happens and see what can be seen at this time |
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| 09:00.21 | mickeyl | hmm... strange |
| 09:04.15 | Twiun | mornin' |
| 09:04.31 | pb_ | hi Twiun |
| 09:04.38 | mickeyl | moin |
| 09:04.48 | pb_ | hi mickeyl |
| 09:05.13 | Twiun | argh. |
| 09:05.46 | Twiun | the qt moc/uic builds fail if the build machine doesn't have the X headers installed |
| 09:06.38 | mickeyl | Twiun: not surprising. moc/uic just builds qt-2.3.2 which absolutely needs X headers |
| 09:07.35 | Twiun | mickeyl: right, but moc/uic don't - isn't there a --without-X option? |
| 09:08.35 | mickeyl | Twiun: i don't think so. after all qt-2.3.2 is a GUI library and there is virtually no point using it without X. Yes, the tool classes, I know - but Qt-2.3.2 isn't configurable like Qt/Embedded so... |
| 09:09.33 | mickeyl | Twiun: but then again - one could create a package with a standalone MOC and UIC. |
| 09:09.45 | Twiun | hmmm... I wonder if tinyqt could do the job |
| 09:10.11 | Twiun | or I could just throw the X headers onto the box |
| 09:10.40 | mickeyl | put the headers on the box... this is the easy way |
| 09:12.17 | Twiun | agreed, although the prospect of using tinyqt for moc/uic is interesting |
| 09:13.28 | mickeyl | tinyqt looks good - i wonder if they have a qt2-version, a qt3-version is (yet) useless for us |
| 09:13.48 | Twiun | lemme ask the developer ;) |
| 09:14.11 | mickeyl | do this |
| 09:14.17 | mickeyl | on the download page there is only qt 3.x |
| 09:16.16 | mickeyl | hmm... i need a new harddrive |
| 09:16.31 | mickeyl | any experience with S-ATA? |
| 09:16.39 | mickeyl | i really like the tiny cables |
| 09:17.27 | Twiun | mickeyl: no, tinyqt started life at qt3 and is heavily tied into the build scripts |
| 09:17.41 | Twiun | mickeyl: so apparently non-trivial to get it to work with wt2 |
| 09:17.45 | Twiun | s/wt2/qt2/ |
| 09:19.05 | mickeyl | hmm... well... comes in hand later then... OZ 3.5 or so |
| 09:24.00 | funkyjoe | hello and good morning. if got my buildroot-oz running! |
| 09:25.01 | funkyjoe | make image produce a initrd.bin which is 24313424 bytes large. how could i reduce it to the right size? |
| 09:25.20 | Twiun | sounds like you've got too much in there |
| 09:25.26 | funkyjoe | even why i deselect some packages in make image_menuconfig |
| 09:25.46 | Twiun | have you used make image_clean between tries? |
| 09:26.08 | funkyjoe | nope. |
| 09:26.33 | Twiun | give that a try :) |
| 09:28.07 | funkyjoe | ok i just play around. i left out a bunch of not needed modules etc. so, i see in a minute. |
| 09:29.23 | funkyjoe | other question. how is the whole oz project organized??? are there maintainers of each single package? like somebody for samba, somebody for konqueror-embedded, kismet etc.? |
| 09:29.38 | funkyjoe | like in debian for example? |
| 09:31.06 | funkyjoe | now the size is ok! thanks so far! |
| 09:32.29 | Twiun | not quite - and the project is currently being reengineered to be more device-agnostic (hence OpenEmbedded) |
| 09:32.57 | mickeyl | there are maintainers, but only for about 25% of packages or so... |
| 09:36.31 | funkyjoe | yes i know, will it be a hard switch over to openembedded or is it smooth movement? |
| 09:37.09 | funkyjoe | i ask, because samba, konqueror and kismet didn't compile in my buildroot-oz |
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| 09:38.51 | funkyjoe | the other phenomen is, that it seems the most interesting dev content or questions are handled here in irc. is there now board which handles further development? |
| 09:39.54 | mickeyl | afaik just our Wiki |
| 09:42.14 | Twiun | not to forget that this channel is also publicly archived |
| 09:42.18 | Twiun | ibot: logs |
| 09:42.19 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 09:43.17 | funkyjoe | so thats the right "board" to ask questions about parts which didn't compile. i don't to nervewreck the guys in this channel with my dev-newbie questions.... just tell me the url of the wiki.... thanks. |
| 09:44.16 | mickeyl | ah no |
| 09:44.29 | mickeyl | the wiki is really for further development |
| 09:44.34 | mickeyl | of openembedded |
| 09:44.44 | mickeyl | #buildroot-oe also |
| 09:44.57 | mickeyl | this channel also discusses problems with the _current_ buildroot |
| 09:45.18 | mickeyl | it's like #openzaurus is for users, #openembedded is for developers |
| 09:45.33 | mickeyl | no matter if it is current or future buildroot |
| 09:46.04 | mickeyl | so ask right away here, if you have problems developing with the buildroot. |
| 09:47.44 | Twiun | and be patient if you don't get an answer straight away - most developers are spread all rount the globe |
| 09:47.49 | Twiun | s/rount/round/ |
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| 09:56.55 | funkyjoe | ok thanks! i use "always" the current version ;-)) |
| 09:57.50 | funkyjoe | are there intentions to implement a sd driver in the 2.4.19 kernel? or a solution that i could setup "my own" kernel module for sd? |
| 10:00.29 | Twiun | have you read the openzaurus.org news page? |
| 10:01.31 | funkyjoe | yes, that, afaik kergoth, got a binary module? |
| 10:03.35 | mickeyl | we have the 2.4.18 SD module and hope it will still work on 2.4.19 |
| 10:03.55 | mickeyl | no go for 2.6 however, but that is a while away |
| 10:04.52 | funkyjoe | ok. any chance to get the module? |
| 10:05.27 | mickeyl | no |
| 10:05.32 | mickeyl | eh what module? |
| 10:05.36 | mickeyl | the one for 2.4.18 ? |
| 10:06.02 | funkyjoe | yes for 2.4.18 and how to get it installed... |
| 10:06.08 | mickeyl | it is published. grab it from the SharpROM 3.1 |
| 10:06.32 | mickeyl | where do you want to install it to? |
| 10:06.37 | funkyjoe | yeah. ok... cramfs etc. i trie this... |
| 10:06.40 | mickeyl | are you working on 2.4.19 / OZ ? |
| 10:07.14 | funkyjoe | i want to install it to 2.4.19. "working"...more playing and trying to compile it. |
| 10:08.08 | mickeyl | good |
| 10:08.25 | mickeyl | installing it is simply copying it into the appropriate directory and depmod'ing |
| 10:08.44 | mickeyl | while you're there, please fix the touchscreen and battery issues ;) |
| 10:11.21 | funkyjoe | rotfl. |
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| 11:39.27 | effy | morning ;) |
| 11:40.12 | pb_ | hah. |
| 11:40.26 | tronical | bless you :) |
| 11:41.04 | effy | any of you work with Cisco routers? |
| 11:41.32 | tronical | only with cisco switches, if that helps :} |
| 11:43.54 | effy | might |
| 11:43.59 | effy | doubt it though hehe |
| 11:44.38 | effy | I'm trying to figure out how to insert lines into a config. There are already these access-list lines in it, and I want to put some in between or what not. How would I go about doing it? |
| 11:44.51 | effy | I know about "config term" and then "interface <>" |
| 11:47.06 | tronical | ah, I think that's best done using tftp |
| 11:47.19 | tronical | or better, in combination with snmp: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/477/SNMP/copy_configs_snmp.shtml |
| 11:47.57 | effy | ah, just use an editor, true hehe |
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| 12:21.38 | chouimat | morning |
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| 12:40.10 | cmartin | effy: you could copy+paste the config into a terminal program |
| 12:41.38 | cmartin | effy: you would hav to deactivate the current config to insert your line in the middle though |
| 12:41.44 | cmartin | s/hav/have |
| 12:42.43 | mickeyl | cmartin: wanna test serial keyboard? bk pull and ozmake serial-keyboard |
| 12:42.58 | mickeyl | no idea if it works. i just added the package. |
| 12:43.52 | cmartin | effy: if you just want to change the access-list deactivate those lines with "no ..." then copy those lines back in without the "no" in front - adding your lines between |
| 12:44.28 | cmartin | mickeyl: which package? |
| 12:44.43 | cmartin | serial-keyboard? |
| 12:44.48 | mickeyl | yea |
| 12:46.12 | cmartin | mickeyl: could you send me your scripts (complete) per mail - they never worked for me, i think i missed something since i only got parts of them |
| 12:46.23 | mickeyl | k |
| 12:46.44 | mickeyl | I'll send you the relevant parts of my .bashrc |
| 12:46.49 | cmartin | k |
| 12:47.30 | cmartin | mickeyl: did you add it to HEAD or BRANCH? |
| 12:48.16 | cmartin | oh, sorry - has nothing to do with opie |
| 12:49.29 | mickeyl | yeah. i'm not sure how that should work anyway... must think more |
| 12:50.03 | mickeyl | e.g. is a dedicated qwskeyboard necessary to make the serial keyboard work in opie? who and when starts the getty on serial. etc.etc. |
| 12:50.20 | cmartin | we will have to make changes to opie in terms of the console (background process) i think |
| 12:50.54 | mickeyl | yeah - and i want the default console not to be on serial but on the framebuffer |
| 12:51.21 | cmartin | no, i don't think that will be good |
| 12:51.59 | cmartin | i had problems with default console on the framebuffer in the beginning - it destroyed the screen every time log message were logged |
| 12:52.15 | mickeyl | that is a problem of different virtual consoles |
| 12:52.28 | mickeyl | opie must switch to a different vc |
| 12:52.31 | mickeyl | as in X |
| 12:52.50 | cmartin | k, if you know about that stuff, that's good |
| 12:52.55 | mickeyl | i dunno |
| 12:53.00 | mickeyl | but i know what i like it to be ;) |
| 12:53.02 | cmartin | just guessing |
| 12:53.13 | mickeyl | the vc problem is a known one |
| 12:53.18 | mickeyl | we hate that problem also on the Z |
| 12:54.09 | cmartin | i would also like to be able to login over serial when opie runs - it was possible under familiar on my iPAQ |
| 12:55.20 | pb_ | I can't imagine the VC thing would be very difficult to fix. It's just a couple of ioctls. |
| 12:56.55 | mickeyl | pb_: framebuffer ioctls? |
| 12:58.50 | cmartin | mickeyl: k, i get the following error (looks like a PATH thing): |
| 12:58.56 | cmartin | . /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.3/../../../../arm-linux/sys-include/linux/udf_fs_sb.h:22: linux/version.h: No such file or directory |
| 12:59.23 | pb_ | mickeyl: specific VT ioctls, I think. you can have VCs without framebuffer. |
| 13:00.36 | mickeyl | pb_: ah yes |
| 13:00.39 | mickeyl | cmartin: ?? where |
| 13:03.18 | absentia | morn' |
| 13:03.22 | cmartin | version.h is in the linux-2.4.19 sourcetree, not under arm crosscompiler tree, right? |
| 13:03.39 | mickeyl | yes |
| 13:03.51 | mickeyl | is KERNEL built? |
| 13:03.58 | cmartin | yep |
| 13:04.11 | mickeyl | works here. which toolchain? |
| 13:06.36 | cmartin | the one from OZ |
| 13:07.36 | cmartin | look in the Makefile - KERNEL_SRC=/lib/modules/$(KERNEL_VERSION)/build - doesn't seem right to me |
| 13:08.48 | cmartin | this would be a absolute path to my local kernel, right? |
| 13:09.54 | mickeyl | KERNEL_SRC in the Makefile is irrelevant, because it is overridden (or should). look into how we call make in the package Makefile |
| 13:10.06 | cmartin | k |
| 13:13.35 | mickeyl | if it doesn't work for you, mail me the complete log from ozmake serial-modules. maybe i find something |
| 13:13.45 | mickeyl | i can send you the .ipk to play around with it |
| 13:18.17 | cmartin | mickeyl: error log sent |
| 13:18.40 | cmartin | stop - i found the error |
| 13:19.35 | cmartin | how can i make a bk tree that was originally cloned in /home/simpad/opensimpad to change to /home/simpad/opensimpad-HEAD? |
| 13:20.10 | cmartin | This line is wrong - KERNEL_SRC="/home/simpad/opensimpad/build/linux-2.4.19" \ |
| 13:20.27 | cmartin | it should be KERNEL_SRC="/home/simpad/opensimpad-HEAD/build/linux-2.4.19" \ |
| 13:20.51 | mickeyl | hmm... |
| 13:21.00 | mickeyl | no idea |
| 13:21.28 | mickeyl | (i had just recloned it) |
| 13:21.35 | cmartin | ok i could just change the directory back, but i don't want to have to do this everytime - i think i'll take a look at Vars.make - maybe it's in there |
| 13:21.44 | mickeyl | yo |
| 13:22.04 | mickeyl | remember you can always override things by putting a Vars.local in the toplevel dir |
| 13:25.00 | cmartin | Vars.make has no hardcoding of DIRs in it |
| 13:25.23 | cmartin | i thought everything way done based on pwd |
| 13:27.50 | mickeyl | cmartin: you removed _after_ starting to build something??? |
| 13:29.01 | cmartin | yes |
| 13:29.05 | mickeyl | cmartin: aaah... don't do such things... check output/kernel.version |
| 13:30.35 | cmartin | k, now it builds - but i think i will have to clone again later to make sure nothing goes wrong in the future |
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| 13:37.28 | chouimat | re |
| 13:50.48 | cmartin | mickeyl: here's the error i get on the console when putting in my CF memory card which causes opie to crash: |
| 13:51.05 | cmartin | # hda: PQI ATA, ATA DISK drive |
| 13:51.05 | cmartin | ide0 at 0xc4612000-0xc4612007,0xc461200e on irq 1 |
| 13:51.05 | cmartin | hda: 256000 sectors (131 MB) w/0KiB Cache, CHS=500/16/32 |
| 13:51.05 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.06 | cmartin | ide_cs: hda: Vcc = 3.3, Vpp = 0.0 |
| 13:51.06 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.10 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.11 | cmartin | initializeListView |
| 13:51.14 | cmartin | init |
| 13:51.15 | cmartin | pc : [<404a6320>] lr : [<404a7bb0>] Not tainted |
| 13:51.17 | cmartin | sp : bffffaa0 ip : bffffa8c fp : bffffaec |
| 13:51.20 | cmartin | r10: 40704d9c r9 : 00000001 r8 : bffffcec |
| 13:51.22 | cmartin | r7 : bffffcc4 r6 : bffffcbc r5 : 406fd890 r4 : bffffaa8 |
| 13:51.23 | cmartin | r3 : 00000040 r2 : 00000051 r1 : 00000011 r0 : 001b3c50 |
| 13:51.25 | cmartin | Flags: nzCv IRQs on FIQs on Mode USER_32 Segment user |
| 13:51.27 | cmartin | Control: C283B17F Table: C283B17F DAC: 00000015 |
| 13:51.30 | cmartin | Segmentation fault. |
| 13:51.35 | cmartin | any idea? |
| 13:51.36 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 13:51.43 | mickeyl | looks ugly |
| 13:51.57 | mickeyl | sounds like an oops on inserting module |
| 13:52.11 | mickeyl | maybe you brought your kernel and your modules out of sync somehow |
| 13:52.31 | cmartin | well it seems to me an opie prob |
| 13:52.40 | mickeyl | then review the log |
| 13:52.46 | cmartin | the CF card is still mounted and i can read it on the console |
| 13:52.49 | mickeyl | call it via /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe |
| 13:52.53 | mickeyl | and see what's happening |
| 13:53.21 | cmartin | yes, that's how i got error message in the first place |
| 13:53.28 | mickeyl | d'oh |
| 13:53.49 | mickeyl | then I recommend inserting qDebugs in critical places where the launcher scans new partitions |
| 13:55.17 | cmartin | oh this means changing the source of the launcher, right? |
| 13:55.25 | mickeyl | right. but it's the only way if you really want to debug that case... |
| 13:55.34 | cmartin | :( |
| 13:55.38 | mickeyl | or using gdb and make a backtrace |
| 13:55.44 | mickeyl | which may help someone |
| 13:57.44 | mickeyl | but that need a debug enabled build |
| 13:57.48 | mickeyl | or its useless |
| 13:57.51 | chouimat | hi |
| 13:57.55 | mickeyl | yo chouimat |
| 13:58.12 | chouimat | grrr stucj in console for the last 3 days :( |
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| 14:08.18 | chouimat | hi icefox Piete |
| 14:09.20 | Piete | heya chouimat|downsta |
| 14:09.30 | Piete | heya Ben :) |
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| 14:33.30 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 14:33.33 | TheMasterMind1 | <sysctl2> what advantages are gnome 2.2.2 over kde 3.2.1? |
| 14:42.07 | Piete | TheMasterMind1: hehe, I'd state it the other way around :P |
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| 14:54.41 | kergoth | bleh. |
| 14:55.37 | ljp_laptop | bleh * 2 |
| 14:55.57 | kergoth | ibot: monday |
| 14:55.57 | | i guess monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon, or a day requiring the use of large amounts of drugs |
| 14:56.14 | chouimat|downsta | hi kergoth |
| 14:56.28 | ljp_laptop | is it monday? I am starting to loose track here |
| 14:56.43 | chouimat|downsta | ljp_laptop: hi ljp_laptop |
| 14:58.18 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: I supplied a custom boot image in kernel, and the top part is cut off and placed at the bottom. any ideas? |
| 14:59.26 | ljp_laptop | hey choui: what up? |
| 15:00.05 | chouimat|basemen | ljp_laptop: playing with winblows in the basement ... found a nice codegenerator for palm but it didn't work in wine so ... |
| 15:00.20 | ljp_laptop | doing palm os dev? |
| 15:00.24 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: the image size is in ifdefs |
| 15:00.30 | kergoth | afaicr |
| 15:00.31 | kergoth | err |
| 15:00.36 | kergoth | it depends actually |
| 15:00.40 | kergoth | what kernel version? |
| 15:01.25 | ljp_laptop | umm, 2.4.6 |
| 15:01.43 | ljp_laptop | same size as the default oz image |
| 15:01.59 | ljp_laptop | do the newer kernels have sd for z? |
| 15:02.39 | kergoth | hmm, dunno offhand then |
| 15:02.48 | kergoth | the 3.1 sharp rom has a 2.4.18 binary sd module for its 2.4.18 kernel |
| 15:04.09 | ljp_laptop | figured out why I couldnt calibrate.. I had forgotten the custom.h business in qtopia |
| 15:04.19 | kergoth | ahh |
| 15:04.20 | kergoth | thatd do it |
| 15:04.46 | kergoth | brb, soda run |
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| 15:05.05 | Piete | omg this kernel is A W E S O M E |
| 15:05.17 | Piete | it feels a thousand times faster than 2.4 |
| 15:05.35 | kergoth | 2.5.7x? |
| 15:05.45 | Piete | 2.6_test1 |
| 15:05.51 | Piete | so, yea |
| 15:05.55 | Piete | its just rebranded |
| 15:07.05 | kergoth | yea |
| 15:07.21 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.32 | Piete | this is the first 2.5ish kernel I actualy tried (and got working).. |
| 15:07.48 | Piete | so, as you can imagine this is quite a bit different than 2.4.. |
| 15:07.49 | Piete | hehe |
| 15:08.35 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 15:08.59 | treke|home | who wants to bet fedex is going to sit on my package until tomorrow since it's 2day service and not 1 day service |
| 15:09.04 | Piete | treke|home: well, thats because its basically the same kernel.. |
| 15:09.14 | treke|home | Piete: I meant 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 15:09.17 | Piete | ah |
| 15:09.32 | treke|home | bastards |
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| 15:14.47 | ljp_laptop | ups does that, but fedex probably wont |
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| 15:19.50 | ljpzaurus | hmmm |
| 15:19.55 | beattie | kergoth any changes on the 2.4.1x kernel front in the last week? |
| 15:20.28 | ljpzaurus | this wifi is getting flaky in that adapter.. |
| 15:21.20 | ljpzaurus | need coffee |
| 15:21.34 | bflong | beattie: last time I asked somthing like that a comment like "Poking the beehive" was made. :) |
| 15:22.27 | beattie | well I'm actually trying to do some work, just wanted to find out if anything had happened I needed to take into consideration |
| 15:22.37 | beattie | on the 2.4.19 kernel |
| 15:23.01 | kergoth | beattie: basically, someone needs to either drop a few minor bits into our 2.4.19 tree from sharps, or port all our drivers into sharps tree |
| 15:24.11 | ljpzaurus | or, get sharp to do that ;) |
| 15:24.13 | beattie | well I never could get 2.4.18 to boot with the serial console enabled, I finally got the serial console to work in 2.4.19, so I was going to start adding the support for the mmc patches |
| 15:24.52 | beattie | well if sharp would get the serial console to work that would be nice :) |
| 15:25.30 | ljpzaurus | minor details... heh |
| 15:26.03 | beattie | yeah, when you have all the fancy debug hardware, who needs a serial console :) |
| 15:26.29 | ljpzaurus | exactly!! |
| 15:27.31 | ljpzaurus | I just think doesnt have enough people on the zaurus project |
| 15:27.54 | beattie | who sharp? |
| 15:28.13 | ljpzaurus | they need a team... not just mitchy |
| 15:28.24 | ljpzaurus | ya sharp |
| 15:28.32 | beattie | some of what I've heard sounds like they are abandoning the internationsl market |
| 15:30.29 | beattie | kergotyh is there a kernel todo list? |
| 15:32.35 | ljpzaurus | I am watering the garden .. heheheheehe |
| 15:33.41 | Twiun | re |
| 15:34.02 | kergoth | beattie: there should be a TODO file in the kernel tree |
| 15:34.17 | beattie | ok tahnks |
| 15:34.24 | kergoth | np |
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| 15:37.09 | ljpzaurus | opie really needs a 'do not suspend while connected to network' |
| 15:37.31 | Piete | yea |
| 15:37.38 | Twiun | rofl |
| 15:37.38 | Piete | thats very irritating |
| 15:37.49 | treke | but how does it know when it's connected to the network? |
| 15:38.07 | Twiun | can't we use /proc/net/conntrack? |
| 15:38.24 | ljpzaurus | dont know.. have to work that out |
| 15:38.38 | ljpzaurus | qtopia has that option |
| 15:39.27 | Piete | treke when its connected to a pr0n site of course.. |
| 15:39.33 | Piete | :P |
| 15:40.11 | Piete | ok, that one sucked.. |
| 15:40.25 | ljpzaurus | or opie irc needs to disable suspend |
| 15:41.03 | kergoth | if someone adds a static default route themselves, that'll completely screw it up :) |
| 15:41.08 | kergoth | must be a better solution |
| 15:41.23 | bipolar | do what I do... ping google. :p |
| 15:41.34 | Piete | bipolar: heh, you do it too? :P |
| 15:42.26 | Piete | hmm, I'm staying up way past my bedtime,, but I'm playing with 2.6.. so I guess it can be forgiven :P) |
| 15:43.12 | beattie | 2.6 for the zaurus .... :^) |
| 15:43.18 | ljpzaurus | hmmm |
| 15:43.38 | Piete | I wish.. |
| 15:43.52 | Piete | SysInfo: Linux 2.6.0-test1 | AMD Duron(tm) 999.962 MHz | Bogomips: 1970.17 | Mem: 120/250M [3||||4||||||] | Diskspace: 38.68G Free: 18.18G | Procs: 85 | Uptime: 49 mins 8 secs | Load: 1.72 1.56 1.53 | Vpenis: 23.9 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX] (rev b2)@1024x768 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 1.57M Out: 0.13M |
| 15:43.52 | beattie | that would be a rumor to start :) |
| 15:43.55 | kergoth | beattie: linux-arm-2.5-collie does boot on the 5500 |
| 15:44.04 | kergoth | beattie: but we'd just have to push forward most of the recent improvements from the 2.4.19 tree |
| 15:44.13 | kergoth | beattie: i started the 2.5 work before i started the new 2.4 |
| 15:44.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:45.19 | treke | hmmm |
| 15:45.31 | treke | now that hh,o cvs works I can start using a cvs target for buildroot |
| 15:46.01 | treke | that makes life simpler :) |
| 15:46.03 | ljpzaurus | opie? |
| 15:46.09 | treke | kernel |
| 15:46.14 | funkyjoe | in which packet/ipk could i find libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 15:46.25 | treke | funkyjoe: none |
| 15:46.49 | Twiun | anyone know why my buildroot wouldn't be using my other distcc'd machine when other build scripts do? |
| 15:47.10 | kergoth | Twiun: the distcc vars getting touched by Vars.make? |
| 15:47.40 | Twiun | kergoth: hmmm... could be - it's only DISTCC_HOSTS afaik though |
| 15:47.47 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:48.12 | Twiun | argh. buildroot overrides it wirh localhost only it seems |
| 15:50.08 | funkyjoe | treke. but i have a binary, for example qpdf, which tries to find it. |
| 15:50.52 | treke | funkyjoe: Yup. |
| 15:51.02 | treke | funkyjoe: You are out of luck at the moment |
| 15:52.46 | Piete | funkyjoe: I know,, this sucks,, my zaurus is rather lacking in the usefull apps department right now :( |
| 15:52.56 | Piete | no media players, no pdf viewers etc :/ |
| 15:53.04 | Piete | but I'll be patient :) |
| 15:53.07 | Piete | because OZ rules |
| 15:53.47 | treke | you just need to snag a libstdc++ from somewhere else |
| 15:55.03 | treke | kergoth: apparently there is a reason we keep switching kernel-headers-2.4.18 mirrors and not just using 2.4.21 :) |
| 15:55.35 | funkyjoe | treke: hm. could i take the one under /build/gcc-2.95-2.95.4.ds14.orig/src-native/BUILD/arm-linux/libstdc++/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 ??? |
| 15:56.05 | treke | should work |
| 15:56.28 | Twiun | kergoth: that doesn't appear to be the problem |
| 15:56.33 | Twiun | I wonder what could be wrong |
| 15:56.33 | funkyjoe | Piete: I know OZ rules. thats the cause why i take the long and painfull way setting up buildroot. |
| 15:56.50 | funkyjoe | treke: in which dir? /lib? |
| 15:57.05 | treke | prboably |
| 15:57.23 | treke | shouldnt matter much |
| 15:57.28 | funkyjoe | treke: thanks. i'll try. |
| 16:00.45 | funkyjoe | treke: does somebody care about and fix this? |
| 16:01.09 | kergoth | its been known for weeks |
| 16:01.23 | kergoth | talk to the guy who does the unstable updates, he had a problem in his toolchain |
| 16:01.38 | bipolar | Yeah... I did. :) |
| 16:01.53 | kergoth | thats fixed right? you revert to erikm's 2.95.3? |
| 16:02.04 | bipolar | kergoth: yes. |
| 16:02.19 | bipolar | kergoth: is there a way I can check to be sure that the problem is fixed? |
| 16:03.01 | absentia | ibot: roms |
| 16:03.02 | | absentia: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 16:03.15 | kergoth | bipolar: just make sure libstdc++.so doesnt exist in your /usr/local/arm/2.95.3 |
| 16:03.30 | bipolar | kergoth: ok, I'll check |
| 16:04.50 | Piete | g'nite guys.. |
| 16:06.14 | bipolar | kergoth: nope. No .so, just .a |
| 16:06.54 | bipolar | kergoth: is there a reason we don't want a shared libstdc++? Is it unused anyway? |
| 16:07.21 | treke | bipolar: How about your 2.95.4? |
| 16:07.42 | bipolar | treke: I rm -rf'ed 2.95.4 |
| 16:07.49 | kergoth | bipolar: very few apps in oz make use of it as things stand now |
| 16:09.00 | ljp_laptop | aqpkg uses that |
| 16:09.15 | ljp_laptop | someone needs to port the stdc++ calls in it to qt |
| 16:09.54 | treke | is sf cvs down? |
| 16:11.07 | pb_ | it's monday, so seems likely. |
| 16:11.15 | bipolar | kergoth: should I be building qt/e with tslib support? |
| 16:11.37 | bipolar | kergoth: I think you said it was working now. |
| 16:11.43 | Twiun | pb_: sf should really announce on their site that cvs is a part-time thing... 3hrs a day or something |
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| 16:13.21 | kergoth | bipolar: you can build it, but flash it and confirm its sane first |
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| 16:34.10 | kergoth | I really wish there was a clean way to integrate patcher with a bk or cvs tree |
| 16:34.28 | kergoth | so that you could track the entirety as a patchset, to keep knowledge of exactly what exists in this tree |
| 16:34.44 | treke | that would be great |
| 16:35.18 | kergoth | the difficult part is tracking a new change/changeset in the tree. which patch does it apply against? |
| 16:35.42 | treke | eh that's a software problem |
| 16:36.04 | kergoth | well, we need a way for the user/dev to make that choice |
| 16:36.16 | ljp_laptop | so write oekeeper while you are at it. :) |
| 16:36.42 | treke | oh wait. I do software |
| 16:37.24 | kergoth | and what if a changeset contains deltas that need to be applied against multiple patches? |
| 16:37.42 | kergoth | basically, we need a tool to create 'patches' that contain changesets, and a way to completely rip apart and rebuild changesets |
| 16:39.38 | kergoth | or, the patches contain deltas directly |
| 16:42.36 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:43.05 | kergoth | this would actually be pretty easy to implement with bk trees. cvs would take a bit more work |
| 16:56.55 | noidd | Greetings! |
| 16:57.59 | kergoth | hey noidd |
| 16:58.32 | noidd | how it going kergoth? |
| 16:58.46 | noidd | having fun yet? :-) |
| 16:58.56 | noidd | I've emigrated now btw.. so still fighting with dialup access etc |
| 16:59.12 | noidd | went to a local cybercafe and did a make sources |
| 16:59.16 | kergoth | hell no, I've got far too many things to do |
| 16:59.16 | noidd | bought one coffee :-) |
| 16:59.21 | kergoth | at least i'm not bored though |
| 16:59.22 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 16:59.29 | treke | go back to support |
| 16:59.32 | treke | fewer things to do |
| 16:59.36 | treke | more time to hack oz |
| 17:00.03 | kergoth | more stress |
| 17:00.05 | kergoth | no thanks |
| 17:00.07 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:00.15 | noidd | one coffee, $3.95, 350M of someone elses bandwidth, priceless. |
| 17:00.26 | treke | kergoth: Post an update to the oz page. I will kill the next person who comes in here and asks if OZ is dead |
| 17:00.35 | treke | "No, but you are" |
| 17:00.49 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:00.56 | ljp_laptop | ooohh, someone wrote a driver for my dwl-650+ yyayy! |
| 17:01.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:01.13 | treke | ljp_laptop: where!?! |
| 17:01.24 | treke | isnt that broad comm? |
| 17:01.33 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:01.40 | ljp_laptop | http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:01.47 | kergoth | montavista uses the hh.o mmc core |
| 17:01.52 | noidd | I'm fighting with glibc in buildroot which is refusing to compile |
| 17:02.21 | noidd | i'm guessing the problem may be related to the move to 2.4.21 kernel-headers |
| 17:02.24 | treke | pb_: Hey, can you send me an address to ship this axim to? |
| 17:02.27 | treke | noidd: Correct |
| 17:02.31 | treke | noidd: Get 2.4.18 |
| 17:02.38 | noidd | I don't have it :-/ |
| 17:02.44 | noidd | checked vareious mirrors - they don't have it |
| 17:02.50 | noidd | if you have the file handy :-D |
| 17:02.58 | treke | lemme check my mirror |
| 17:03.13 | noidd | (btw, now I see a reason for the whole GNU must-produce-the-sources argument) |
| 17:03.18 | noidd | thanks treke |
| 17:03.51 | treke | http://tinman.treke.net/oz/source/sources/kernel-headers-2.4.18.tar.bz2 |
| 17:04.01 | noidd | you're a star - thanks :-) |
| 17:05.52 | noidd | I wont commit that url to the bk tree :-0 |
| 17:05.54 | pb_ | treke: sure, please ship it to me at the office. Phil Blundell, Nexus Electronics Ltd, 19 Sturton Street, Cambridge CB1 2SN, England |
| 17:06.28 | treke | k |
| 17:07.08 | Neo|Away | noidd: actually, 350M of bandwidth most certainly isn't priceless. :P |
| 17:08.42 | noidd | its priceless compared to being on a Windows XP machine on a 33k6 modem |
| 17:09.08 | noidd | without it - 350M over 33k6, 12 hours plus - burn to CD etc |
| 17:09.20 | noidd | or, one coffee over an hour or so |
| 17:09.21 | noidd | :-) |
| 17:12.15 | noidd | hey pb - you werent that far from me before I emigrated |
| 17:12.21 | noidd | I was in cambridge all the time |
| 17:12.30 | pb_ | noidd: ah, heh. |
| 17:12.30 | noidd | we should have grabbed a beer or something before I left |
| 17:12.58 | pb_ | yeah. had no idea you were in this part of the world. :-} |
| 17:13.16 | noidd | what is an axim anyways? |
| 17:13.43 | pb_ | dell handheld. very cheap, and seems like a nice unit. |
| 17:14.12 | pb_ | the 300MHz version costs under US$200. |
| 17:14.27 | beattie | whats the processor on the axim? |
| 17:14.30 | pb_ | pxa250 |
| 17:14.35 | pb_ | probably 255 now |
| 17:14.37 | treke | 255 |
| 17:15.00 | treke | Thats what they've been putting in the recent ones |
| 17:15.38 | pb_ | right |
| 17:16.00 | treke | and at 200 bucks a pop I doubt they have many old ones :) |
| 17:16.10 | treke | it's also running ppc 2k3 |
| 17:17.06 | treke | they dont seem to make as big a deal out of updates as compaq does. They just semi-silently update the devices |
| 17:18.10 | noidd | damn, that sounds pretty nice |
| 17:18.12 | beattie | probably fewer controls, like the wireless nic guys |
| 17:18.20 | noidd | how does the device compare to a Z ? |
| 17:18.34 | noidd | and is the amix a planned target for OZ (or should that be OE) |
| 17:18.44 | treke | noidd: If it ever gets a bootloader |
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| 17:19.13 | treke | it shouldnt take more than an hour or to to make a working oe image for it |
| 17:20.24 | treke | noidd: It's between a 5500 and a 5600 |
| 17:20.24 | noidd | that would rock |
| 17:20.38 | treke | there are two versions |
| 17:21.21 | treke | One is a 300mhz, 32MB ram, 32MB flash, 1 CF, 1SD |
| 17:21.36 | treke | the other is a 400mhz, 64MB RAM 48MB flash, 1cf, 1sd |
| 17:21.48 | treke | You have two battery options for each. 1400 or 3400 |
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| 17:24.25 | yeiazel | errr |
| 17:24.39 | yeiazel | s/300mhz/StrongARM 206 mhz/ |
| 17:24.47 | yeiazel | s/400mhz/XScale 400 mhz/ |
| 17:25.00 | treke | yeiazel: huh? |
| 17:25.19 | yeiazel | and the 5500 has 64 MB RAM |
| 17:25.19 | treke | No. it's an XScale 300mhz and a Xscale 400mhz |
| 17:25.29 | yeiazel | treke: 300 MHz in the 5500 ? |
| 17:25.32 | yeiazel | LOOOOOL |
| 17:25.41 | yeiazel | the PXA-210 (300 MHz) is in the A300 |
| 17:25.42 | yeiazel | that's all |
| 17:25.46 | treke | yeiazel: No. the 5500 has a 306 mhz strong arm |
| 17:25.50 | treke | er 206 |
| 17:25.58 | treke | I'm not refering to the zaurus's |
| 17:26.06 | yeiazel | oh ? |
| 17:26.10 | treke | Read |
| 17:26.13 | yeiazel | looked like |
| 17:26.14 | yeiazel | oops :) |
| 17:26.58 | noidd | \ |
| 17:27.29 | ljp_laptop | heh from the dwl-650+ driver readme.. |
| 17:27.34 | ljp_laptop | Finally, let me mention that we really dislike the way how |
| 17:27.34 | ljp_laptop | Texas Instruments handles Linux driver support. |
| 17:27.50 | noidd | I *STILL* get that compile error with the .18 kernel header :-/ |
| 17:28.11 | yeiazel | there are drivers for TI wifi chips !? |
| 17:28.12 | treke | noidd: make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-headers mrproper |
| 17:29.00 | ljp_laptop | http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:29.12 | ljp_laptop | alpha stage |
| 17:29.35 | noidd | I did that |
| 17:29.45 | noidd | failed, so I did a global mrproper |
| 17:29.55 | noidd | now the mtd cvs server is down |
| 17:30.01 | noidd | so i'm gonna wait a while and try again |
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| 17:32.32 | ljp_laptop | TimRiker: you have any pull in TI yet, enough to get them to release specs for their wifi chips? :D |
| 17:32.39 | ljp_laptop | heh |
| 17:34.06 | cyn | hey man, he's T. Ricker - he can do ANYTHING |
| 17:34.24 | cyn | if he sets his mind to it |
| 17:34.27 | treke | can he make me a burrito? |
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| 17:37.02 | ljp_laptop | burrito out of TI ships? |
| 17:37.04 | ljp_laptop | chips |
| 17:47.46 | TimRiker | ljp_laptop: hmm. not yet, but I can work towards that. I am starting to talk to folks from that group. |
| 17:54.42 | Neo|Work | not a good thing trying to write debug statements to stdout with binary strings |
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| 17:58.45 | Neo|Work | Joy, it works |
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| 18:10.05 | cmartin | hi |
| 18:11.45 | cmartin | who's the maintainer of opie-taskbar? |
| 18:11.57 | kergoth | it doesnt really have one. |
| 18:12.04 | kergoth | why? |
| 18:12.06 | cmartin | hi kergoth |
| 18:12.45 | cmartin | after building opie last week it crashes everytime i insert a CF memory card |
| 18:13.03 | treke | build it this week |
| 18:13.12 | treke | then if it still doesnt work report a bug |
| 18:13.26 | kergoth | 'it crashes' |
| 18:13.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:13.30 | cmartin | well, i built friday |
| 18:13.31 | kergoth | how helpful |
| 18:13.38 | cmartin | yes opie segfaults |
| 18:13.39 | treke | today is monday |
| 18:13.43 | kergoth | ah, segfault |
| 18:13.46 | kergoth | shouldve said so |
| 18:13.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:13.51 | treke | verify the bug is still there, then report it :) |
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| 18:14.22 | cmartin | treke, yes, but i can't rebuild everyday, just to ask if anything has been noticed in the last couple of days |
| 18:14.52 | kergoth | you obviously dont use ccache |
| 18:14.59 | kergoth | 'rebuild everyday' is about 30 seconds flat |
| 18:15.12 | cmartin | treke: and since no changes were made in CVS in the last week then i suppose it wouldn't do any good to rebuild today |
| 18:15.21 | cmartin | kergoth: yes i do |
| 18:15.39 | kergoth | ah, i see, your 30 seconds must be pretty valuable |
| 18:15.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:16.01 | cmartin | kergoth: ok guys |
| 18:16.52 | kergoth | go report the bug. |
| 18:17.07 | cmartin | i think the problem came in with the changes llornkcor made on july 5th |
| 18:18.02 | cmartin | i think this since opie crashes right when it tries to fill the Documents Tab - which is where llornkcor made changes |
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| 18:19.14 | cmartin | the wierd thing is, if i leave the card in when rebooting everything is fine - only when i remove it or put it in |
| 18:19.43 | cmartin | login to the console shows that the card is still mounted, only opie has crashed |
| 18:19.49 | treke | so let's take llornkcor out in back and shoot him |
| 18:20.09 | ljp_laptop | ya! lynch that guy!! |
| 18:20.37 | cmartin | treke: i wouldn't go that far, but maybe somebody can verify if there is something wrong with what he changed |
| 18:20.55 | ljp_laptop | make clean; make menuconfig; make |
| 18:21.16 | ljp_laptop | only added MOC_DIR and OBJ_DIR to include.pro |
| 18:21.28 | cmartin | ljp_laptop: does that mean there is a known bug that has been fixed since friday? |
| 18:21.30 | ljp_laptop | or what are you talking about a program |
| 18:21.41 | cmartin | opie-taskbar |
| 18:22.00 | ljp_laptop | I havent touched that, only the pro file |
| 18:22.31 | cmartin | ljp_laptop: are you llornkcor? |
| 18:22.39 | ljp_laptop | in HEAD there is anew docstab |
| 18:22.52 | ljp_laptop | yup |
| 18:22.58 | cmartin | ljp_laptop: yes that is where i think the problem comes from |
| 18:23.09 | cmartin | is it possible? |
| 18:23.22 | ljp_laptop | hmm, maybe |
| 18:24.00 | ljp_laptop | not since friday though |
| 18:24.08 | cmartin | an opie-taskbar ipk from before that change works fine |
| 18:24.38 | ljp_laptop | what is it doing again? |
| 18:25.26 | cmartin | when i put in a CF card opie segfaults when (apparently) traing to fill the Documents tab |
| 18:25.38 | cmartin | s/traing/trying |
| 18:26.02 | ljp_laptop | ahhh.. |
| 18:26.16 | cmartin | after loging in to the console i notice that the card is still mounted, so it's not a kernel thing |
| 18:26.47 | cmartin | and like i said with an earlier opie-taskbar this problem doesn't show up |
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| 18:28.21 | chouimat | re |
| 18:41.28 | kergoth | bleh. |
| 18:42.46 | cmartin | kergoth:trying to start a conversation? - hehe |
| 18:43.06 | pb_ | yo kergoth |
| 18:44.18 | Twiun | pb_: You know, I never truly realised until now how important it is to keep all those forms (payslips, redundancy letters, p45, p60, etc) |
| 18:44.30 | treke | hehe |
| 18:44.43 | pb_ | Twiun: ah, heh. You aren't being investigated by the Inland Revenue, are you? |
| 18:45.06 | Twiun | pb_: nah, getting jobseeker's allowance - signing on |
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| 18:45.19 | Twiun | pb_: got the form today and they want all the docs ready for tomorrow |
| 18:45.27 | pb_ | Twiun: ah, I see. |
| 18:45.49 | cmartin | ljp_laptop: you're back - i thought i scared you off |
| 18:49.12 | ljp_laptop | heh, no.. connection problems |
| 18:49.54 | ljp_laptop | cmartin: cvs up and try that |
| 18:50.20 | cmartin | ljp_laptop: did you find something? |
| 18:51.50 | ljp_laptop | yes possibly |
| 18:52.38 | ljp_laptop | oohh, traci lords on cnn tonight |
| 18:53.41 | Twiun | pb_: things are getting to the point where everything counts |
| 18:53.57 | Twiun | pb_: ever had to take this step? |
| 18:54.03 | pb_ | Twiun: :-/ |
| 18:54.12 | pb_ | Twiun: no, never have. |
| 18:54.36 | pb_ | not that my company has actually had enough money to pay me a salary recently though |
| 18:54.57 | Twiun | ouch, how do you make ends meet then? |
| 18:55.11 | Neo|Work | ahaha. Twiun, figured the string to hex stuff out |
| 18:55.25 | Twiun | Neo|Work: there's a neat api? |
| 18:55.29 | Neo|Work | iterating each char, doing toHexString(bytes[i]) |
| 18:55.42 | pb_ | Twiun: well, it hasn't been that long, and I have some savings. |
| 18:55.54 | cyn | ljp_laptop: wasn't she in porn |
| 18:55.54 | Twiun | Neo|Work: so still having to pass each char into the funct |
| 18:55.59 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 18:56.07 | ljp_laptop | cyn: yes |
| 18:56.09 | Neo|Work | but I couldn't even find a int->hex feature before |
| 18:56.17 | Twiun | pb_: hehe, that was me back in october |
| 18:56.24 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:56.29 | Twiun | Neo|Work: Ahhh, sorry, I thought you knew about Integer.to... |
| 18:56.37 | Neo|Work | oh shit |
| 18:56.38 | pb_ | Twiun: I'd best get my paperwork in order then. :-} |
| 18:56.41 | Neo|Work | that didn't work well. :P |
| 18:56.44 | Twiun | pb_: savings and redundancy now dried up though |
| 18:57.10 | Twiun | pb_: yeah - one thing I'd advise is get onto the allowance as soon as you loose a job |
| 18:57.34 | Twiun | pb_: if you've paid NI, you can get something like £40 a week basic |
| 18:57.43 | pb_ | Twiun: right |
| 19:00.48 | Neo|Work | oh shit, byte is signed |
| 19:01.16 | cmartin | ljp_laptop, cyn: you probably won't see anything worth while in cnn :) |
| 19:01.52 | Twiun | pb_: oh and... cancel all those direct debits :) |
| 19:01.56 | cyn | cmartin: no indeed |
| 19:02.02 | Twiun | Neo|Work: simple to fix |
| 19:02.06 | cyn | it was just curiosity because i know she went on to music |
| 19:02.23 | Twiun | Neo|Work: toHexString(bytes[i] & 0xFF) |
| 19:04.12 | Twiun | pb_: I pissed so much money away through shear apathy - obviously something I now regret |
| 19:04.34 | pb_ | Twiun: yeah, it's easily done. |
| 19:04.48 | pb_ | doesn't seem like much each month until you add it up. |
| 19:05.15 | Twiun | no kidding - I've now gone from being £200 short to being only £30 short per month |
| 19:05.28 | Neo|Work | there, fixed |
| 19:05.31 | pb_ | Twiun: wow |
| 19:05.35 | Twiun | and I'm working on cutting that down to £15 - before the allowance |
| 19:05.47 | Twiun | Neo|Work: working happily? |
| 19:06.16 | Neo|Work | yeps |
| 19:13.47 | cmartin | ljp_laptop: that didn't do it :( |
| 19:14.21 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 19:14.25 | ljp_laptop | ok |
| 19:15.26 | kergoth | bleh |
| 19:16.31 | ljp_laptop | bleh * 2 |
| 19:16.47 | ljp_laptop | bbl |
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| 20:31.18 | icefox | anyone here about the UK sharp devision? |
| 20:31.24 | icefox | are they halting operations? |
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| 20:40.13 | icefox | Has anyone been able to flash the 5600? |
| 20:41.31 | kergoth | icefox: nope, but havent tried |
| 20:41.34 | kergoth | not in a while an yway |
| 20:41.51 | ljp_laptop | I have never tried |
| 20:42.16 | icefox | hmm, sharp is still being a pain in the ass |
| 20:42.23 | icefox | and every time I trie something dies |
| 20:42.24 | icefox | sigh |
| 20:47.06 | ljp_laptop | buildroot is being a pain in th eass also. isn't making stuff I tell it to, and it isn't installing ipks I tell it to either |
| 20:47.40 | kergoth | its monday. |
| 20:48.05 | ljp_laptop | hehhe, |
| 20:48.13 | ljp_laptop | it doesn t work on Mondays, eh? |
| 20:48.21 | kergoth | does anything |
| 20:48.21 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:48.22 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:48.55 | beattie | probably the cops radar gun works on monday |
| 20:49.36 | ljp_laptop | "can't install ** module, cause it hasnt been made" - well.. shouldn't that got made with the kernel.. hmm? |
| 20:50.03 | kergoth | beattie: good point |
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| 20:57.19 | kergoth | hey mickeyl |
| 20:58.09 | beattie | freaking kernel makefiles |
| 20:58.19 | kergoth | problems? |
| 20:58.34 | mickeyl | hi kergoth |
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| 20:58.40 | beattie | trying to figure out how to add something |
| 20:58.43 | cmartin | hi mickeyl |
| 20:58.48 | mickeyl | nabend cmartin |
| 20:59.11 | mickeyl | cmartin: ljp commited something re. the crash on card-insertion |
| 20:59.48 | ljp_laptop | didnt help, he said |
| 21:00.02 | ljp_laptop | suppose it could be elsewhere |
| 21:00.18 | mickeyl | well... without a backtrace all this is irrelevant speculation. |
| 21:01.22 | cmartin | mickeyl: the only thing i know is that opie-taskbar is the problem maker |
| 21:01.38 | cmartin | when i install an earlier ipk it's fine |
| 21:03.50 | cmartin | ljp_laptop: if you put some debug code on there i can do a cvs up again and rebuild |
| 21:04.53 | mickeyl | there haven't been any changes in opie-taskbar lately... can't believe why that happens |
| 21:05.20 | cmartin | july 5 ljp_laptop added a new Documents tab |
| 21:06.17 | cmartin | since i get a segfault about the time the Documents tab is being populated i believe it's this change that did it |
| 21:06.59 | ljp_laptop | docstab doesnt get populated anymore. it uses ofileselector. but it could be some more crud trying to populate it |
| 21:08.12 | cmartin | ljp_laptop: it was just guess with the populating - i just noticed that you changed from ofileregister to ofileselector |
| 21:08.39 | cmartin | or something like that - not too good on opie stuff |
| 21:08.58 | ljp_laptop | the old docstab used its own methods |
| 21:09.18 | ljp_laptop | but its bound to have bugs :D |
| 21:09.51 | cmartin | ljp_laptop: have you tested it yourself with a memory card or similar? |
| 21:11.39 | cmartin | the only thing i see on opie is the round owait and a message in the taskbar "Finding documents" and then opie segfaults |
| 21:11.55 | chouimat|bored | hi ljp_laptop |
| 21:12.27 | cmartin | on the console i see initialize..., init and then segfault |
| 21:12.41 | mickeyl | debug build. |
| 21:12.53 | mickeyl | everything else is wasting more time |
| 21:13.04 | ljp_laptop | have only tested on desktop |
| 21:13.14 | chouimat|bored | FUCKING SERIAL PROTOCOL |
| 21:13.18 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:13.21 | mickeyl | apropos |
| 21:13.24 | mickeyl | serial protocol? |
| 21:13.25 | mickeyl | cmartin: ? |
| 21:14.12 | cmartin | mickeyl: haven't tested - i want cf mounting to work correctly before i go visit skeye :) |
| 21:14.24 | chouimat|bored | mickeyl: I'm working on remote access of a custom embedded system and the protocol sucks imho ... and the date format is week/day/hour/minutes/secondes |
| 21:14.31 | chouimat|bored | skeye? |
| 21:14.42 | cmartin | mickeyl: did you get the keyboard? |
| 21:15.41 | cmartin | mickeyl: as i said put some debug code in cvs and i'll do a cvs up and rebuild - i have no idea how to debug opie |
| 21:16.22 | cmartin | chouimat|bored: skeye.pad SL |
| 21:16.40 | chouimat|bored | cmartin: k |
| 21:16.46 | ljp_laptop | maybe crashing in ofileselector |
| 21:20.05 | ljp_laptop | make sure you also update libopie |
| 21:20.31 | mickeyl | cmartin: yeah i got it, |
| 21:21.02 | cmartin | ljp_laptop: did you make changes to that also earlier (last hour)? |
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| 21:23.23 | ljp_laptop | no |
| 21:27.07 | cmartin | ljp_laptop: just updated libopie1 - still segfault |
| 21:28.47 | cmartin | ljp_laptop: strange thing is after reboot (leaving the cf card in place) opie runs fine, but if i pull the card opie segfaults again :( |
| 21:30.00 | ljp_laptop | hmmmm |
| 21:30.22 | ljp_laptop | what happens if you manually umount it? |
| 21:30.42 | ljp_laptop | you have cardmon installed? |
| 21:30.49 | cmartin | ljp_laptop:wait i'll try it |
| 21:30.52 | cmartin | yes |
| 21:32.08 | cmartin | ljp_laptop: also segfaults |
| 21:32.48 | cmartin | ljp_laptop: as soon as the owait symbol comes up |
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| 21:35.57 | cmartin | ljp_laptop: even when cardmon isn't running the same effect |
| 21:37.27 | ljp_laptop | k |
| 21:38.17 | cmartin | i gotta go - ljp_laptop put some debug code in the launcher in HEAD and i'll continue tomorrow - o.k.? |
| 21:39.44 | ljp_laptop | ok |
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| 21:51.45 | masticator | sup homeez |
| 21:51.58 | kergoth | hey |
| 21:52.22 | chouimat|f00d | hi kergoth masticator |
| 21:57.38 | chouimat|f00d | wooooooooooohooooooooooooo! |
| 21:57.42 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:57.52 | kergoth | its monday, stop being cheerful. |
| 21:58.00 | pb_ | not for long. |
| 21:58.02 | chouimat|f00d | kergoth: it's working |
| 21:58.52 | chouimat|f00d | kergoth: this fucking palm app was a bitch getting working |
| 22:01.58 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:02.59 | mickeyl | kergoth: what's the status of the c750. must we wait until Sharp releases kernel source for it or is it the same as c700? |
| 22:03.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:03.10 | kergoth | mine is nearly bricked here |
| 22:03.21 | kergoth | need to dig up a big cf card so i can use the diags to do a cf updater |
| 22:04.01 | mickeyl | you have a 700 or a 750? |
| 22:04.11 | kergoth | i have a c700 at home that i need to send back to dynamism |
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| 22:04.21 | kergoth | and i'm borrowing a c750 for a little while at work |
| 22:05.02 | mickeyl | kergoth: ok. now again to my question - do we have to wait for sharp to release something special or is the c700 kernel source enough for OZ on a C750 ? |
| 22:05.43 | mickeyl | maybe someone with c750 can take a look at sysinfo and tell me the kernel-version... |
| 22:05.44 | kergoth | dont know. |
| 22:05.55 | kergoth | its the same kernel version, but that doesnt tell us enough |
| 22:06.05 | kergoth | I was attempting to flash a c700 kernel when mine went kaput |
| 22:06.14 | andersee | kergoth: ouch |
| 22:06.15 | kergoth | it wrote it to the wrong location, when i used the c700 updater.sh script |
| 22:06.22 | mickeyl | ohoh |
| 22:06.32 | kergoth | I can still get into its diagnostics mode though, and that has a means of recovery |
| 22:06.50 | andersee | kergoth: so its not quite jtag time yet |
| 22:07.04 | kergoth | nah not quite. glad they have such a capable diagnostics tool :) |
| 22:07.11 | ljp_laptop | amazing |
| 22:07.16 | cyn | hey now, the important thing we're hearing from kergoth is he's attempting to flash a c700 kernel |
| 22:07.25 | cyn | :P |
| 22:07.30 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:08.04 | ljp_laptop | whoda thunk 'they (sharp)' and 'capable' in the same sentence from kergoth |
| 22:08.29 | ljp_laptop | ya c700 kernel on c750 |
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| 22:09.15 | cyn | oh drat |
| 22:12.17 | mickeyl | kergoth: why is the update.sh script necessary? can't the c-models be flashed via CF ? |
| 22:14.08 | icefox | mickeyl: because sharp doesn't like us |
| 22:15.13 | mickeyl | well... as much as i believe this i don't think it is a valid answer |
| 22:15.18 | mickeyl | to my question |
| 22:15.40 | icefox | as in technicly why is the script needed? |
| 22:15.48 | mickeyl | yes |
| 22:16.22 | icefox | because the flash prcedure from the cf exec's a update.sh script |
| 22:16.30 | ljp_laptop | or why that script is encrypted |
| 22:16.32 | icefox | i.e. it much be there |
| 22:17.45 | mickeyl | hmm... so the script resides on the CF as well as kernel as initrd and then the flash updater loads that script and executes it? |
| 22:17.53 | icefox | yup |
| 22:17.59 | mickeyl | grrr what a crap |
| 22:18.03 | icefox | hehe yah |
| 22:18.27 | icefox | and people complain about M$ and its short term of life for products :) |
| 22:18.33 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 22:18.44 | kergoth | well, its actually a fairly sane design |
| 22:18.51 | mickeyl | so this means my c750 which is due to arrive this week won't have OZ for a while... |
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| 22:18.54 | kergoth | using a linux kernel for updates i mean. it reduces code duplication. |
| 22:18.55 | icefox | but encrypted? |
| 22:19.02 | kergoth | encryption is fucking stupid |
| 22:19.20 | kergoth | apparently their calls to nandcp and nandlogical and 'cat' are pretty confidential |
| 22:19.24 | kergoth | idiocy |
| 22:19.36 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:19.49 | mickeyl | oh so the flash updater is now incoporated into their kernel? |
| 22:20.26 | kergoth | mickeyl: the flash updater is shell script, initrd, and kernel. |
| 22:20.34 | kergoth | the kernel is an independent kernel from the one used in normal operation |
| 22:20.54 | ljp_laptop | ahhh, the ol' switcheroo |
| 22:20.59 | mickeyl | aha |
| 22:22.37 | huhnl | Is the kernel used during flashing the zImage.bin on the CF card or is that the kernel that gets installed? |
| 22:23.08 | kergoth | zimage.bin on the cf gets written into flash to update the kernel |
| 22:23.20 | kergoth | the kernel used by the flash procedure is a kernel that resides in flash |
| 22:23.52 | mickeyl | so once again we have to be very careful with target addresses... overwriting the flash updater kernel sounds like not a good idea... |
| 22:24.00 | kergoth | mickeyl: yep |
| 22:24.57 | kergoth | hey, good to see jamey working on 2.5.x. I like his suggested use of the driver model to abstract device specifics for ts power, lcd power, etc. |
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| 22:26.31 | mickeyl | kergoth: yep. what do you think... given the time and likelihood of people working on "our" 2.4.19... isn't it sane to skip that altogether in favour of 2.5.x now? |
| 22:26.49 | andersee | mickeyl: What about SD? |
| 22:26.57 | treke | andersee: Open source SD driver |
| 22:26.59 | mickeyl | andersee: personally i don't give a damn :) |
| 22:27.14 | treke | I'd rather have a stable 2.4.19 though |
| 22:27.29 | mickeyl | andersee: we will go to 2.6 sooner or later and i question how reasonable it is to do duplicated work, so... |
| 22:28.08 | huhnl | kergoth: you said the reason why the 5600 doesn't work is probably a parameter during image creation time. Is it (probably) possible to build a kernel and initrd and just flash those to get it to work? |
| 22:28.10 | treke | 2.6 is still a pain in the driver support category |
| 22:29.21 | chouimat|f00d | treke: you have tested it? |
| 22:29.29 | treke | chouimat|f00d: Tested wat? |
| 22:29.38 | chouimat|f00d | 2.6pre1 |
| 22:29.42 | treke | my laptop 2.5.75 and my desktop is 74 |
| 22:29.54 | treke | I havent bult 2.6pre1, but I doubt it really differs much |
| 22:30.02 | chouimat|f00d | faster than 2.4.21? |
| 22:30.04 | treke | it's just a version number for a 2 week later build |
| 22:30.18 | treke | chouimat|f00d: I dunno. Everything runs the same speed |
| 22:31.20 | chouimat|f00d | ok |
| 22:31.22 | treke | chouimat|f00d: When your standard environment it blackbox with a bunch of aterms, you dont tend to notice performance much :) |
| 22:31.47 | treke | I installed gnome on saturday and was amazed out how slow it was |
| 22:31.49 | chouimat|f00d | treke: my today desktop is a bunch of console on 3 boxes |
| 22:32.06 | kergoth | i'm in console mode today too, except for the vmware session on tty8 |
| 22:32.42 | treke | pretty much the only thing I'm dependent on in X is vmware, games, and a decent web browser |
| 22:32.52 | chouimat|f00d | kergoth: x isn't compiled on 2 of those boxes and kde died on my main box ... links sucks |
| 22:33.17 | kergoth | treke: we need css support for links 2.x :) |
| 22:33.30 | kergoth | 2.x isnt bad, at least you have images |
| 22:33.37 | chouimat|f00d | and doing development on a win2k box sucks too |
| 22:35.01 | treke | kergoth: dood |
| 22:35.20 | treke | do you know how cool qpe/links w/ css would be? |
| 22:35.40 | treke | Now I need to go change my pants I'm so excited |
| 22:35.45 | kergoth | mmm |
| 22:35.51 | chouimat|f00d | bad mental image |
| 22:36.00 | kergoth | too bad none of us has the time to get off our asses and do it |
| 22:36.27 | chouimat|f00d | kergoth: sorry too busy playing with a radar |
| 22:38.03 | ljp_laptop | ibot test |
| 22:38.04 | | Failed |
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| 22:38.20 | chouimat|f00d | ibot test |
| 22:38.21 | | Passed |
| 22:38.27 | kergoth | we need roulette back |
| 22:38.29 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:38.50 | ljp_laptop | too much spam with roulette |
| 22:38.53 | chouimat|f00d | kergoth: I updated the box from 4.5 to 5.1 but I didn't have time yet |
| 22:39.02 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: true |
| 22:40.02 | chouimat|f00d | kergoth: maybe this weekend I will have time to update everything here |
| 22:41.32 | Neo|Work | kergoth: no, no roulette!!! :P |
| 22:41.39 | kergoth | :) |
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| 22:43.29 | chouimat|f00d | Neo|Work: shit! i was working on a new and improved version :( |
| 22:44.03 | chouimat | dir |
| 22:44.10 | Neo|Work | do it in #roulette then or something. :P |
| 22:44.18 | kergoth | yeah, seperate channel would be good |
| 23:19.43 | treke | w00t |
| 23:19.46 | treke | axm is here |
| 23:21.18 | chouimat | ? |
| 23:24.57 | treke | axim |
| 23:25.27 | treke | stylus needs to be heavier |
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| 23:38.18 | ljp_laptop | glue a rock to it |
| 23:40.06 | Neo|Work | the stylus is annoying |
| 23:40.13 | Neo|Work | weight doesn't bother me - flat does |
| 23:41.09 | beattie | a flat stylus? yuck! |
| 23:52.39 | chouimat | beattie: they are flat on the sony/erikssen cell phone |
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| 23:54.16 | TCMAN | hi |