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| 00:13.27 | noda | Moo! |
| 00:13.33 | noda | I have a new toy! Dell Inspiron 600m :) |
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| 00:14.30 | noda | chouimat: ! I have a new toy! Dell Inspiron 600m :) |
| 00:15.16 | chouimat | noda: cool! I'm wrestling with a palmos application |
| 00:15.34 | noda | Winning? Go for the half-nelson, works for me. |
| 00:16.15 | noda | I'm gonna test out the new Debian install system :) |
| 00:16.30 | noda | Oh yeah, and I should plug my laptop in at some point (whee! Unplugged!) |
| 00:16.36 | chouimat | arrrgggggggggggg |
| 00:16.50 | noda | So damned cool to have a frickin' fast computer on my bed with no wires, little heat, and lotsa coolness :) |
| 00:16.59 | noda | 1.2" thick, 5 pounds |
| 00:17.56 | chouimat | noda: shaddap |
| 00:20.03 | Neo|Work | is there a GUI ssh client for the Zaurus? |
| 00:20.35 | chouimat | anybody know a good c++ framework for palmos? |
| 00:21.10 | Neo|Work | PalmOS API's are C |
| 00:21.34 | Neo|Work | I think you'd have to and want to stick with that |
| 00:21.54 | mewyn | GUI... ssh... ? |
| 00:22.22 | noda | Neo|Work: konsole |
| 00:22.25 | treke | is there even a c++ compiler for palmos? |
| 00:22.36 | treke | opie-console might be able to do ssh |
| 00:22.37 | noda | Oh, palmos, thought you said zaurus :) |
| 00:22.41 | chouimat | Neo|Work: I know is just I'm losing patience here |
| 00:22.46 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: hey |
| 00:22.46 | noda | Oh, you DID say zaurus. Heh. :) |
| 00:22.51 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Heya :) |
| 00:22.55 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I have a new laptop, whee :) |
| 00:22.59 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: i have come over to the dark side |
| 00:23.02 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: using classes in php |
| 00:23.09 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: new laptop eh? nice |
| 00:23.13 | TheMasterMind1 | not as good as mine i bet |
| 00:23.17 | chouimat | treke: g++ but no class |
| 00:23.20 | noda | Damn right! 1400x1050 screen :) |
| 00:23.41 | noda | What's yours got under the hood? |
| 00:23.49 | Neo|Work | noda: No, I mean a gui SSH client |
| 00:23.52 | Neo|Work | like putty and those |
| 00:24.04 | Neo|Work | oh, non-embedded console has ssh? |
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| 00:24.21 | Neo|Work | chouimat: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:24.23 | treke | Neo|Work: Not sure, it might |
| 00:24.27 | noda | I don't understand why you'd *want* a gui... |
| 00:24.33 | noda | ssh user@host -- done. |
| 00:24.38 | Neo|Work | noda: store profiles |
| 00:24.44 | Neo|Work | even more so on a handheld I'd think |
| 00:24.51 | noda | profiles? |
| 00:24.56 | treke | noda: yes |
| 00:24.57 | chouimat | Neo|Work: sending command to an embedded system via the serial port |
| 00:25.18 | treke | noda: little buttons you click that load up all the options you want to use and just open a connection for you |
| 00:25.19 | TheMasterMind1 | 1500mhz centrino (compares to a 2.6ghz p4), 512 ram, 1400x1050 15.1' screen with ati m-9 mobility radeon 9000, usb2, firewire, cdrw/dvd, 60gb 5400rpm, built in 802.11a+b, tv out, 56k, realtek 10/100 irda, pcmcia |
| 00:25.21 | Neo|Work | chouimat: well, all C dude. :) |
| 00:25.22 | noda | What would that be, like, several sets of keys? |
| 00:25.26 | Neo|Work | and funky C at that |
| 00:25.40 | noda | Oh, options. I figured most of those options were only there *because* it's a GUI client. Like, "screen size" |
| 00:25.52 | chouimat | Neo|Work: and it's for tomorrow :( |
| 00:25.55 | noda | Or "console" -- of course it'll be "linux" or "xterm" if that's what you've got on your client... |
| 00:26.05 | treke | noda: and "forward ssh-agent" and "forward port" and "use compression" |
| 00:26.15 | noda | Oh, I guess those are slightly more fun :) |
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| 00:27.53 | noda | Hey, isn't there a quick way to burn ISO images in WinXP? |
| 00:28.51 | noda | Ooh, a powertoy |
| 00:32.01 | Neo|Work | on a pda with limited input, it's nice |
| 00:32.01 | Neo|Work | does openipaq exist yet? |
| 00:32.02 | noda | Neo|Work: http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/...erm... lemme see |
| 00:32.02 | noda | Okay, I forget. It's somewhere though :) |
| 00:32.16 | noda | http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/h3600/ |
| 00:32.36 | chouimat | ok Iiii'm going back to work |
| 00:33.16 | treke | what nodo said |
| 00:33.31 | noda | :) |
| 00:33.34 | Neo|Work | so only works on 3600 so far? |
| 00:33.42 | noda | Ask treke :) |
| 00:33.50 | Neo|Work | someone was asking whether to use "opie or qpe" which is why I figured I'd throw in openembedded |
| 00:33.59 | Neo|Work | noda: I just did, heh |
| 00:34.06 | treke | Neo|Work: 3600, 3700, 3800 |
| 00:34.43 | noda | lol, I think I should plug in my laptop! I've been running around unplugged all night. What fun! |
| 00:35.04 | treke | 3100 just needs a changed jffs2 param, I need to finish a couple minor changes for 3900's to work |
| 00:35.17 | treke | Well, in theory. I don't have a 3900 :) |
| 00:36.00 | noda | :) |
| 00:36.31 | noda | treke: Oh, I remember a while ago apache came on here with problems with wireless, you said you had the same problem... did you find out what was wrong? |
| 00:36.39 | treke | noda: Nope |
| 00:36.54 | treke | noda: I wouldnt hold my breath on finding a solution :) |
| 00:36.54 | noda | Ah well :) |
| 00:37.10 | noda | Just checking :) |
| 00:37.28 | noda | Don't worry, I never hold my breath. This laptop took more than a month to get to me since I ordered it... |
| 00:37.34 | treke | noda: I've had the problem for 2 months now, never found a way around it :) |
| 00:38.56 | noda | Heh |
| 00:45.52 | noda | Heh, anyone try out the new Debian install system? |
| 00:47.23 | treke | is it usable yet? |
| 00:48.20 | noda | Well, I'm using it. seems pretty dumb: it's just as confusing as the old one, but text-mode and not ncurses. And it uses fdisk instead of cfdisk. |
| 00:48.26 | Neo|Work | gesh, Snails has nearly 100 downloads |
| 00:48.29 | Neo|Work | that's a good sign. :P |
| 00:48.44 | treke | noda: Damn. I liked bootfloppies myself |
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| 00:50.40 | noda | I don't, I think they're way too confusing. And this new system is actually worse somehow. When I saw they're making a new one I figured it's because *they* thought it's confusing, too. |
| 00:50.44 | Neo|Work | and db2 has like 50 |
| 00:50.45 | noda | I prefer the bootfloppies :) |
| 00:50.55 | Neo|Work | man, if I just could sell that many. :P |
| 00:50.59 | Neo|Work | that fast I mean |
| 00:51.29 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 00:51.42 | Neo|Work | noda: now gentoo, there's a nice install |
| 00:51.52 | Neo|Work | "here's the text document and a prompt - go at it!" |
| 00:51.59 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:52.01 | Neo|Work | actually less confusing than debian though imho. :P |
| 00:52.03 | TheMasterMind1 | almost as bad as lfs |
| 00:54.33 | noda | Yes, less confusing than debian. But debian is easy to memorize, you just have to remember where you *don't* simply press Enter. |
| 00:54.43 | treke | hehe |
| 00:54.47 | noda | (i.e., the *one* spot in the entire install, where if you miss it you've screwed up the whole thing) |
| 00:55.09 | treke | oh well. My install iso is almost done downloading |
| 00:55.16 | treke | I will find out in 6 minutes |
| 00:56.02 | noda | Dammit... and wget is broken on this image or something. |
| 00:56.20 | noda | Network works perfectly, but it can't get anything through apt :( |
| 00:56.53 | noda | It retries 3 times on every package and finally gets it :) |
| 00:57.20 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: i have a mysql table with user stats for 600k users. i want to get a table of ranks for all of those users. rank is calculated based on an equation involving many of the fields in the stats table. i want the ranking table to have a field for rank and it should be like sorted by rank so that its easy to select the top ten from that table and they're the top ten ranked users... |
| 00:58.18 | zar | left join and order by |
| 00:59.20 | noda | Okay, shouldn't be too hard |
| 00:59.40 | noda | You have 2 tables -- rank and stats? |
| 00:59.50 | TheMasterMind1 | the problem is, with the number of queries going on its really sucks to have to select and order by every page load |
| 01:00.02 | noda | LIMIT 10, that'll speed it up a lot |
| 01:00.10 | zar | yup: |
| 01:00.13 | TheMasterMind1 | and trying to copy over your entire table of user stats into a temp table to do ranking calculations on it will totally lock up the db |
| 01:00.21 | noda | No, don't do that :) |
| 01:00.35 | noda | Just do a mother of a query :) |
| 01:00.39 | TheMasterMind1 | its not just top 10. you also show 1000 pages of all the ranked people. so it'd be using order by and then limit 100, 50 etc |
| 01:00.43 | TheMasterMind1 | a lot of times every second |
| 01:00.45 | TheMasterMind1 | which kills the server |
| 01:00.55 | noda | Any way I could get a login? |
| 01:01.01 | TheMasterMind1 | where? |
| 01:01.09 | noda | To the MySQL server. To see what's up :) |
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| 01:01.38 | noda | It's easy enough to say "You can do an INNER JOIN and ORDER BY and all should be well", but you already knew that :) |
| 01:02.04 | TheMasterMind1 | order by on 600k rows 10 times a second = BAD |
| 01:02.15 | TheMasterMind1 | to get the top 10, it has to order all of them |
| 01:02.18 | TheMasterMind1 | even if you have a limit |
| 01:02.23 | TheMasterMind1 | it does a filesort on the whole table |
| 01:02.45 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Shouldn't be horrible if it's a well-normalized database and a decent server :) |
| 01:03.09 | noda | I guess there's no hope of indexing though. Unless you create a cache table. |
| 01:03.18 | TheMasterMind1 | thats what i'm trying to do |
| 01:03.19 | TheMasterMind1 | a cache table |
| 01:03.21 | Neo|Work | be happy you are using mysql here since oracle doesn't have 'limit'... |
| 01:03.27 | noda | Not a temporary table. Just a cache table. |
| 01:03.30 | noda | Neo|Work: TOP |
| 01:04.03 | Neo|Work | noda: think pagination |
| 01:04.10 | Neo|Work | 'limit 100, 100' or the like |
| 01:04.18 | Neo|Work | i.e the second 100 entries |
| 01:04.39 | noda | Neo|Work: Yeah, it's a pain in the ass. You have to use two TOPs and a derived table, ordered backwards. |
| 01:05.26 | treke | noda: noda The text mode installer here is probably a place holder |
| 01:05.28 | noda | Then again, I think Oracle must be optimized to perform that kind of query quickly |
| 01:05.34 | noda | treke: I hope so :) |
| 01:06.05 | noda | Aside from that, though, it's pretty much the same installer. I'm sure the code's cleaner, but I the user don't notice anything except these downloads keep failing 4 times then succeeding. |
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| 01:06.45 | treke | noda: The point of it is that it isnt the same installer |
| 01:06.46 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: what exactly is normalizing |
| 01:07.02 | noda | Erm... that's not much of a reason to make a new installer :) |
| 01:07.06 | Neo|Work | the opposite of denormalizing |
| 01:07.25 | TheMasterMind1 | ah. wonderful, makes perfect sense now |
| 01:07.34 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Well, kinda making sure your database doesn't have NULLs all over the place. Uh... lemme think of a better explanation. |
| 01:07.38 | treke | noda: The old installer was a hack that made it difficult to add features people wanted into it |
| 01:07.52 | noda | treke: Okay, so cleaner code but looks the same, gotcha :) |
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| 01:08.08 | Neo|Work | Look at that - M-x dict |
| 01:08.13 | Neo|Work | I had no idea. :) |
| 01:08.21 | nagrom | anything interesting happening with oz? |
| 01:08.27 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Imagine yourself a table with 4 cols: Customer, PrevBal1, PrevBal2, PrevBal3 |
| 01:08.39 | treke | noda: Not really. It's similar to debconf |
| 01:08.42 | noda | TheMasterMind1: (It's in our ERP software, I swear, goes all the way back to 12) |
| 01:08.50 | TheMasterMind1 | uh huh |
| 01:08.50 | treke | noda: You attach whatever frontend someone writes for it |
| 01:09.13 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: hah |
| 01:09.17 | noda | TheMasterMind1: It would be better off as a more "vertical" table -- Customer/Month/Bal -- flexible |
| 01:09.21 | ljp | bleh |
| 01:09.29 | noda | Holds more data, easier to query. That's normalization. |
| 01:09.36 | TheMasterMind1 | ah ok |
| 01:09.38 | TheMasterMind1 | we're doing that |
| 01:09.42 | noda | And, say our original Customer table also had the Name in it, that'd be in a separate table :) |
| 01:09.45 | noda | Figured |
| 01:10.20 | noda | But a caching table is a good idea -- run it on a cronjob or something |
| 01:10.26 | treke | noda: if you want to script most of the installation you provide it with an answer file |
| 01:10.40 | noda | treke: Ooh, sounds like a good idea :) |
| 01:11.40 | treke | noda: And it can hide questions that some users will want to see, but others dont |
| 01:11.47 | noda | Nice |
| 01:11.56 | noda | I love Debian :) |
| 01:12.07 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: how do you make a copy of a table other than insert into table select * from table; |
| 01:12.15 | noda | Whenever I look at something and wonder "why was it done this way?" I know at least that it was done that way because it's the best way to do it. |
| 01:12.30 | noda | TheMasterMind1: SHOW CREATE TABLE... |
| 01:12.39 | noda | Or... |
| 01:12.50 | treke | noda: even if it wasnt the best way to do it, some one at least put some thought into it :) |
| 01:12.58 | noda | In MySQL 4.1, CREATE TABLE new_table LIKE old_table |
| 01:13.03 | noda | Yeah |
| 01:13.07 | noda | I love apache2's config :) |
| 01:13.23 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: including data too i mean, not just structure |
| 01:14.10 | noda | CREATE ... SELECT I think |
| 01:25.21 | ljp | hmmm |
| 01:26.32 | ljp | miight as well start adding alsa.. |
| 01:27.37 | ljp | foo faa |
| 01:27.43 | _stigger | does anyone know what voltage you should see across the battery connections on the device with the charger connected |
| 01:28.01 | ljp | which device? |
| 01:28.55 | _stigger | zaurus sl5500 |
| 01:29.59 | _stigger | I think I've busted the charging circuit |
| 01:30.51 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: mysql> select id from users where status = 1 order by height desc limit 100, 25; |
| 01:30.59 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: 25 rows in set (5.90 sec) |
| 01:31.38 | noda | ! |
| 01:31.49 | noda | indexes |
| 01:33.03 | TheMasterMind1 | status is indexed |
| 01:33.09 | TheMasterMind1 | mysql> select id from users order by height limit 100, 25; |
| 01:33.13 | TheMasterMind1 | 25 rows in set (0.01 sec) |
| 01:33.56 | TheMasterMind1 | if you put the where in, its like weird |
| 01:33.58 | TheMasterMind1 | and i dunno why |
| 01:34.04 | TheMasterMind1 | | Field | Type | Null | Key | Default | Extra | |
| 01:34.23 | TheMasterMind1 | | status | int(11) | | MUL | 0 | | |
| 01:37.19 | noda | Ack! I installed kernel-image-2.4.20-speakup without realizing what speakup is :) |
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| 01:37.35 | TheMasterMind1 | why that happen?? |
| 01:40.41 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Why what happen? |
| 01:41.36 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: adding the where clause makes the query 50 gazillion times slower |
| 01:41.48 | ljp | whats speakup? |
| 01:42.32 | noda | ljp: Hardware speech synthesis drivers |
| 01:43.05 | noda | TheMasterMind1: What are the possible values of status? |
| 01:43.17 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: 1-5 or something like that |
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| 01:43.42 | noda | TheMasterMind1: ALTER TABLE users MODIFY status TINYINT UNSIGNED NOT NULL DEFAULT 0; |
| 01:43.47 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Teeny optimization :) |
| 01:43.52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:43.54 | TheMasterMind1 | i doubt that would do it |
| 01:44.00 | TheMasterMind1 | look at the describes for both of the queries |
| 01:44.07 | noda | You didn't show them :) |
| 01:44.09 | TheMasterMind1 | | table | type | possible_keys | key | key_len | ref | rows | Extra | |
| 01:44.14 | TheMasterMind1 | | users | range | status | status | 4 | NULL | 472262 | Using where; Using filesort | |
| 01:44.20 | TheMasterMind1 | | users | index | NULL | height | 4 | NULL | 554338 | | |
| 01:46.08 | noda | What's the index? SHOW CREATE TABLE and show me the index :) |
| 01:46.34 | noda | ALTER TABLE users CREATE INDEX (status, height) |
| 01:46.44 | noda | It'll go blindingly fast but updates will take a bit longer |
| 01:46.56 | TheMasterMind1 | <LordBlink> TheMasterMind1: most likely you have an index on each of those, height and status |
| 01:46.56 | TheMasterMind1 | <LordBlink> when you use the where, it needs to use the one index on status |
| 01:46.56 | TheMasterMind1 | <LordBlink> without it can use the one on height to do the ordering |
| 01:46.56 | TheMasterMind1 | <LordBlink> if you create a combo index on both (status, height) then you will get the best of both worlds |
| 01:47.01 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 01:47.03 | TheMasterMind1 | what you just said |
| 01:47.05 | TheMasterMind1 | trying that now |
| 01:47.18 | noda | Heh |
| 01:47.33 | noda | Yeah, unfortunately in MySQL it'll only use a single index from any particular table in a given query. |
| 01:48.05 | noda | Bleh, GRUB installation is failing :( |
| 01:49.53 | noda | Heh, the entire installation didn't even boot. |
| 01:49.58 | ljp | who was going to write a openzaurus package to oe package thingy? |
| 01:50.15 | Neo|Work | does anyone have a gcc 3 based arm cross compiler btw? |
| 01:51.56 | noda | Neo|Work: http://openzaurus.org/official |
| 01:52.01 | ljp | there should be one at openzaurus |
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| 01:53.06 | ljp | I am going to compile qte/opie so I can use it on my laptop as a desktop.. heheheh I must be bored. |
| 01:56.37 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 01:56.38 | TheMasterMind1 | that didn't help |
| 01:57.01 | Neo|Work | where's the compiler? |
| 01:57.07 | Neo|Work | oh, there. :P |
| 01:57.29 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Uh... ALTER TABLE users ADD INDEX (height, status) maybe? |
| 01:57.40 | noda | It *should* make it faster. Do an EXPLAIN (DESCRIBE? Don't remember) |
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| 02:01.05 | TheMasterMind1 | never mind |
| 02:01.06 | TheMasterMind1 | works |
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| 02:47.09 | treke|home | sweet |
| 02:47.12 | treke|home | got the SD card |
| 02:47.19 | treke|home | now to get the utility |
| 02:48.35 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 02:48.49 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: its kinda working now. if i remove the limit it goes back to filesort |
| 02:49.20 | noda | Isn't filesort bad? |
| 02:49.26 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
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| 02:53.48 | chouimat | hey ljp_laptop |
| 02:54.20 | ljp_laptop | hello. whats up, doc? |
| 02:54.41 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: DSL tomorrow ;) |
| 02:56.02 | ljp_laptop | I am jealoud |
| 02:56.10 | ljp_laptop | jealous |
| 02:56.21 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: and I got an extension for the palm app |
| 02:57.00 | chouimat | and my roommate left for the week |
| 02:57.33 | ljp_laptop | roomate? I though you lived with your mother |
| 02:57.49 | treke|home | he lives in his mothers house |
| 02:58.13 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: mom is in Switzerland ... so she rent the house to one of her friend |
| 02:58.40 | ljp_laptop | ahh.. party |
| 02:59.25 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: yup nice grill in the kitchen and nice BBQ outside ;) |
| 03:00.11 | ljp_laptop | you know, a roommate in australia is someone living in the same room as you... |
| 03:00.27 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: ok housemate then ;) |
| 03:00.37 | ljp_laptop | better. :D |
| 03:00.38 | treke|home | depends on how big the house is |
| 03:02.23 | chouimat | treke|home: ~5500 square feets |
| 03:02.50 | treke|home | hopefully it's more than one room |
| 03:02.59 | chouimat | treke|home: 15 |
| 03:03.12 | treke|home | yup. 15 is more than 1 |
| 03:04.22 | chouimat | treke|home: the second flood is bigger than my last appartment in Quebec City |
| 03:04.34 | ljp_laptop | hmm, is binutils 2.11 really too old to compile 2.4 kernels..? |
| 03:05.01 | ljp_laptop | I seem to remember compiling 2.4.19 with it.. |
| 03:05.26 | ljp_laptop | hmmm, |
| 03:05.52 | treke|home | hmm |
| 03:06.44 | treke|home | gonna do a cvs snapshot kernel, should I lie and just call it 2.4.19-hh16 even though it's hh17-pre? |
| 03:06.58 | ljp_laptop | blasphamy! |
| 03:07.25 | ljp_laptop | thats almost like buying a Chevy and calling it a Ford |
| 03:07.49 | ljp_laptop | oh, there we go. couldnt find the cross dir |
| 03:10.11 | ljp_laptop | hmmmm |
| 03:11.30 | ljp_laptop | wft *** 2.4 kernels no longer build correctly with old versions of binutils. |
| 03:11.30 | ljp_laptop | *** Please upgrade your binutils to 2.9.5. |
| 03:11.49 | ljp_laptop | it is you dumb bitch ass! |
| 03:12.37 | treke|home | no it isnt |
| 03:12.40 | treke|home | it's 2.11 |
| 03:12.49 | treke|home | it clearly says upgrade *to* 2.95 |
| 03:12.52 | treke|home | 2.9.5 |
| 03:13.02 | treke|home | it says nothing about newer versions |
| 03:13.04 | treke|home | bitch |
| 03:13.15 | ljp_laptop | funny, it worked eariler today |
| 03:15.26 | ljp_laptop | stitch |
| 03:26.02 | nagrom | when you flash a new rom, does it matter if the run switch on the back is set to normal operation or or not? |
| 03:26.37 | ljp_laptop | maybe |
| 03:26.46 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.52 | ljp_laptop | should be 'replace battery' |
| 03:27.06 | ljp_laptop | dunno. this waiting really sucks, though |
| 03:27.17 | nagrom | wtf. i didn't turn it on, i just turned itself on. |
| 03:27.23 | nagrom | and crapped out. |
| 03:27.30 | treke|home | ljp_laptop: you did remember to submit the paper work, right |
| 03:27.31 | treke|home | ? |
| 03:27.47 | ljp_laptop | TT did that |
| 03:28.18 | ljp_laptop | since they sponsored and paid for it |
| 03:28.21 | treke|home | <warwick> Urm ljp, about that paperwork... |
| 03:28.23 | nagrom | "couldn't find ext2 superblock trying backup blocks... could this be a zero length partition" |
| 03:29.18 | ljp_laptop | corrupted, no doubt |
| 03:29.41 | nagrom | which means i need to do what? |
| 03:30.15 | ljp_laptop | dunno. reflash again. :) |
| 03:30.38 | ljp_laptop | is this sharp rom? or oz? |
| 03:30.44 | nagrom | shap ospack |
| 03:31.01 | nagrom | i tried flashing the zimages a few times to no avail. |
| 03:31.06 | nagrom | the thing wouldn't even turn on. |
| 03:31.41 | nagrom | so i tried the 3.10 ospack and it does this.. i don't need anyting but the ospack file on the cf card do i? |
| 03:31.55 | ljp_laptop | did you push the reset button after you flashed it? |
| 03:32.21 | nagrom | it goes straight to this after i flash it. |
| 03:32.33 | nagrom | the flash finishes and this starts. |
| 03:32.54 | nagrom | the switch is still on replace battery. |
| 03:34.12 | nagrom | i turned it off and hit the full reset button and now it doesn't even turn on. |
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| 03:34.31 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 03:35.29 | nagrom | i think my warantee is up too but i dont know. |
| 03:36.00 | ljp_laptop | flashed from cf? |
| 03:36.04 | nagrom | yup. |
| 03:36.14 | ljp_laptop | is the cf etx2? |
| 03:36.31 | nagrom | nope. formatted with win98 dos format. |
| 03:36.39 | nagrom | i don't know how to tell the filesystem in windows. |
| 03:37.01 | nagrom | i think it's fat16 or fat32. |
| 03:38.30 | ljp_laptop | might try redownloading the ospack, and reflashing, |
| 03:38.43 | nagrom | can't hurt to try. |
| 03:38.51 | nagrom | it's at zaurus.com right? |
| 03:39.00 | ljp_laptop | should be |
| 03:39.08 | nagrom | can i use a fat32 cf card? |
| 03:39.23 | treke|laptop | nagrom: probably safer not to |
| 03:39.51 | treke|laptop | jeeze this kernel checkout is take forever |
| 03:39.56 | fdask | did u verify the checksum on the ospack u were flashing? |
| 03:39.59 | ljp_laptop | I think it needs to be dosfs |
| 03:40.28 | nagrom | i don't know how to verify the checksum on an anything. |
| 03:40.52 | fdask | hrmm |
| 03:41.35 | ljp_laptop | make sure you right click to download it |
| 03:41.50 | nagrom | i can't find the ospack anywhere. |
| 03:43.29 | fdask | what were u using on the card to flash? |
| 03:43.40 | nagrom | found it. |
| 03:43.45 | nagrom | what do you mean? |
| 03:44.10 | fdask | n/m |
| 03:44.13 | ljp_laptop | 5500? |
| 03:44.18 | nagrom | yeh. sorry. |
| 03:44.47 | nagrom | i just need the ospack file named "ospack" and not "ospack.rom" or anything right? |
| 03:45.11 | nagrom | saying should i rename ospack to ospack.rom |
| 03:45.18 | fdask | what does the sharp site say |
| 03:47.48 | nagrom | so far a whole lot of nothing. |
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| 03:48.03 | ljp_laptop | try http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate4.asp instructions there |
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| 03:49.23 | nagrom | ospack |
| 03:50.16 | nagrom | not ospack.rom |
| 03:50.36 | ljp_laptop | ya |
| 03:51.32 | nagrom | man, windows 98 sucks some serious ass. |
| 03:51.51 | nagrom | how do i check file crc |
| 03:51.59 | nagrom | err md5 checksum? |
| 03:52.03 | nagrom | i forgot. |
| 03:54.02 | nagrom | i'm never letting this thing discharge, seems to be what buggered it all to hell. |
| 03:54.52 | nagrom | reflashing the newly downloaded rom. |
| 03:56.11 | ljp_laptop | power plugged in? |
| 03:56.49 | nagrom | of course |
| 03:57.12 | fdask | whats the battery that handles emergency when replacing the rechargeable or whatever? |
| 03:57.19 | fdask | is it rechargeable? |
| 03:57.31 | nagrom | didn't work. |
| 03:57.47 | ljp_laptop | what didnt work? |
| 03:58.04 | nagrom | the flash |
| 03:58.24 | nagrom | the little guy wont even turn on. |
| 03:58.42 | nagrom | and i got the same everything is fucked up error when it finished flashing. |
| 03:58.47 | ljp_laptop | hit the reset after the lights went out? |
| 03:59.09 | nagrom | i don't have time before it goes into automatic turn on error mode. |
| 03:59.14 | nagrom | and starts getting pissed. |
| 03:59.41 | fdask | i thought the battery switch completely kills power to the unit |
| 04:00.15 | fdask | ie. should prevent it from turning on |
| 04:00.45 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 04:01.58 | nagrom | apparently not. |
| 04:02.11 | fdask | how did this odd behaviour start? |
| 04:02.15 | fdask | like, what have u done to ur Z lately? |
| 04:02.34 | nagrom | it was fine till it discharged completly while i was on vacation |
| 04:03.25 | nagrom | now it's in a whole heap of trouble. |
| 04:03.41 | fdask | did u let it fully recharge again? |
| 04:04.26 | nagrom | it's been charging for about 5 or 6 hours now. |
| 04:04.46 | nagrom | before i started fucking with it. |
| 04:06.37 | nagrom | is the orange recharge light supposed to stay on when you pull the battery? |
| 04:07.51 | ljp_laptop | if its plugged in |
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| 04:09.59 | nagrom | i took the battery out and put it back in and now the orange light is blinking |
| 04:10.36 | fdask | the battery light? |
| 04:10.41 | nagrom | yeh the orange light. |
| 04:10.47 | fdask | umm |
| 04:10.58 | fdask | did u consult the manual? |
| 04:11.19 | nagrom | at this point i'm just sending it back. |
| 04:11.33 | chouimat | night |
| 04:11.38 | nagrom | to see if sharp will fix it. |
| 04:11.43 | nagrom | thanks for all your help |
| 04:11.47 | nagrom | everybody. |
| 04:12.18 | nagrom | it can flash off a 512 meg card right? |
| 04:12.30 | ljp_laptop | dunno |
| 04:12.41 | ljp_laptop | should be able too |
| 04:12.52 | nagrom | hrmm mabey i will hunt down the 64 and give that a try. |
| 04:13.18 | ljp_laptop | let it charge up overnight |
| 04:13.45 | nagrom | ok. that can't hurt. |
| 04:13.47 | fdask | Actually, that's an interesting question. On more than one occasion folks here have reported funky contact with the battery terminals (blinking lights on charging that went away after some cleaning and other monkeying with things a bit). So you might want to open up your battery compartment and see if anything looks less-than-well-connected. It could explain your issue, though the backup battery *should* have held |
| 04:14.09 | fdask | (thats from the devnet forums) |
| 04:14.14 | nagrom | my battery door does seem loose. |
| 04:14.26 | nagrom | mabey i will clean up |
| 04:14.26 | fdask | There is one more explanation which is coming to my mind, after examining the battery compartment. The hard reset button seems like stuck. Sounds strange, but I just flashed my ROM last week, and maybe accidentally I left it stuck. |
| 04:15.59 | fdask | http://more.sbc.co.jp/forum/dev2dev/cbbs.cgi?mode=one&namber=4980&type=4821&space=45 |
| 04:19.49 | nagrom | fuck this. i'll let it charge overnight then screw with it. |
| 04:19.57 | nagrom | i havent' slept in 48 hours. |
| 04:20.01 | nagrom | night. |
| 04:21.21 | nagrom | thanks again |
| 04:21.33 | ljp_laptop | l8r |
| 05:02.36 | treke|laptop | bleh |
| 05:02.45 | treke|laptop | new kernel wont build properly |
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| 07:02.01 | Twiun | mornin |
| 07:04.13 | fdask | hi |
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| 09:17.09 | Speedy2 | Yo all |
| 09:17.13 | Speedy2 | Heya Phil. |
| 09:17.18 | pb_ | hi Speedy2 |
| 09:17.51 | Speedy2 | How goes it? |
| 09:20.07 | pb_ | Not bad. How's life with you? |
| 09:20.46 | Speedy2 | Not bad either. |
| 09:20.59 | Speedy2 | Figure your kernel panic problems out? |
| 09:22.30 | pb_ | Some of them. The H5400 ASIC lockup bug seems to be fixed, but unfortunately the change I made to fix that seems to have caused some collateral damage in other areas. |
| 09:23.40 | Speedy2 | That's not good. |
| 09:24.52 | pb_ | No. What's worse is that these other problems don't actually show up on my ipaq, but they do seem to affect large numbers of other people. So I don't have any way to reproduce the failure. |
| 09:30.41 | Speedy2 | Nasty indeed. |
| 09:31.02 | Speedy2 | What was the cause of the lockup? Something related to interrupt handling? |
| 09:33.18 | pb_ | It's still a bit mysterious. The problem seemed to be that ASIC interrupt handlers were killing the machine, apparerently because READY was never going true on access to asic internal registers. Changing the asic internal bus to run at MCLK rather than MCLK/2 seems to have cleared it up, but I don't fully understand why. |
| 09:36.05 | Speedy2 | Hrm. Maybe there is some metastability issue with the handling of asynchronous events? |
| 09:38.50 | pb_ | Yes, could be. CE seems to run the bus at MCLK/2 without any lockup issues, which is also a bit puzzling. |
| 09:40.13 | Speedy2 | Maybe the ASIC clears some registers on a read access? |
| 09:44.15 | pb_ | Maybe. I'm hoping Keith will be able to reproduce these new problems on his unit and figure out what's up. |
| 10:03.03 | Speedy2 | They won't give you the CE code? |
| 10:06.50 | pb_ | No. I think they will give it to Keith though. |
| 10:07.17 | Speedy2 | How "nice" of them. |
| 10:13.25 | mickeyl | ibot: seen cmartin |
| 10:13.27 | | cmartin <~cmartin@p5087C433.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 12h 24m 2s ago, saying: 'by'. |
| 10:17.15 | mickeyl | ibot: botmail for cmartin: Rebuild opie-taskbar. I made a small but important fix to make the inputmethods much more usable... |
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| 11:54.02 | Twiun | hey mickeyl |
| 11:54.37 | mickeyl | hi Twiun |
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| 12:06.44 | cmartin | hi mickeyl |
| 12:06.56 | cmartin | just read your message - i will do that |
| 12:07.22 | cmartin | BTW: I was thinking about your request to move to gcc3... |
| 12:07.28 | mickeyl | yup. especially the on-screen keyboard looks much better and feels better because the distances between keys are smaller |
| 12:07.44 | cmartin | wouldn't this make almost all software from killefiz.de ununsable? |
| 12:07.56 | DyB|Vandal | cmartin: it would |
| 12:08.18 | lsmith | without a recompile that is |
| 12:08.57 | cmartin | mickeyl: this would reduce the amount of usable software down to the Apps in builroot - this would not be very good i think |
| 12:09.26 | cmartin | mickeyl: or is there a major benefit that would explain this step? |
| 12:10.07 | Twiun | cmartin: mithro was working on a gcc2/3 compatibility lib |
| 12:10.12 | cmartin | mickeyl: "rechtfertigen" would be the correct german word |
| 12:10.19 | mithro | yeah i did some work on it... |
| 12:10.34 | cmartin | status? |
| 12:10.43 | mithro | well it basicly works |
| 12:11.04 | mithro | except it requires you to install both gcc2 and gcc3 libs |
| 12:11.06 | cmartin | what benefit do i have with gcc3 over 2.95x? |
| 12:11.24 | cmartin | performance? |
| 12:11.48 | mithro | performance |
| 12:12.01 | cmartin | noticable? |
| 12:13.21 | mickeyl | yes |
| 12:15.00 | cmartin | mickeyl: but then all those nice apps at killefiz.de are useless to us - or we have to compile them all over again |
| 12:15.21 | cmartin | mickeyl: this would be a pitty |
| 12:15.48 | cmartin | mickeyl: and installing gcc2 AND gcc3 libs just compatibility even worse |
| 12:15.56 | cmartin | s/ just for |
| 12:16.05 | mithro | depends on your size of storage |
| 12:16.21 | mithro | you only need the C++ libs (not C ones) |
| 12:16.53 | cmartin | the 32MB Flash device (SL4 and SLC) would be no problem, but we already have a problem with those 16MB devices (CL4 and T-Sinus) |
| 12:18.13 | mithro | yeah |
| 12:18.13 | cmartin | mickeyl: for that launcher update, would it be enough to manually run "cvs up" in build/opie and then recompile opie? |
| 12:18.17 | mickeyl | well then... it's not that important to me. I will want to switch to gcc3 - but we can release two images |
| 12:18.22 | mithro | it's about 3-4 mb tops.... |
| 12:18.38 | mickeyl | cmartin: yes. be sure to remove the .binary and .ipk stamp and remove opie-taskbar out of output/ipks. |
| 12:19.02 | cmartin | k |
| 12:19.13 | mickeyl | cmartin: run cvs update in $OPIEDIR/core/launcher |
| 12:19.19 | mickeyl | no need to update more than that |
| 12:21.44 | cmartin | ccache is wonderful ;) |
| 12:22.30 | cmartin | mickeyl: 2 images? - too much to maintain |
| 12:23.20 | mickeyl | right. |
| 12:23.49 | mickeyl | if the time is right, we will test if the gcc3 image really is better - we can decide later |
| 12:24.45 | cmartin | where do i get the crosscompiler? |
| 12:24.50 | cmartin | gcc3 i mean |
| 12:25.35 | mickeyl | openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/old |
| 12:25.42 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 12:25.46 | mickeyl | however I would wait until a 3.3 toolchain is ready. |
| 12:29.08 | cmartin | old? |
| 12:29.50 | cmartin | when is 3.3 expected? |
| 12:30.19 | cmartin | i would like to try a gcc3 image soon, to see what the performance benefit is |
| 12:31.40 | ljp_laptop | does qte2 compile with gcc3? |
| 12:32.14 | mickeyl | ljp_laptop: yes. bipolar et. al. have built complete gcc3 images |
| 12:32.26 | mickeyl | cmartin: when a glibc exists which is compilable with 3.3... should be soon |
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| 12:51.38 | ljp_laptop | hhmm, TI & Sharp http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1057562205838 |
| 12:51.53 | lsmith | bbl |
| 13:03.26 | pb_ | ljp_laptop: what's the status of the realaudio decoder for linux/arm at the moment? |
| 13:03.32 | pb_ | is there working code now? |
| 13:03.45 | ljp_laptop | audio is working |
| 13:04.11 | pb_ | cool. is the code available for download? |
| 13:04.13 | ljp_laptop | video needs written |
| 13:04.41 | ljp_laptop | yes, I think paul's changes are in the helix source |
| 13:04.49 | pb_ | great. |
| 13:04.51 | ljp_laptop | didnt have to change much |
| 13:04.56 | ljp_laptop | for audio |
| 13:05.09 | pb_ | ok. lemme try to figure out how to check the right part of helix cvs out. |
| 13:05.15 | ljp_laptop | I suppose realvideo for arm using X wouldnt bee too much either |
| 13:06.04 | pb_ | probably not, no. I guess it already works under X on i386, right? |
| 13:06.06 | ljp_laptop | might have to fiddle with any asm |
| 13:06.10 | ljp_laptop | ya |
| 13:07.00 | ljp_laptop | thing is, for surestream streams, you need the sipro codec for very low bitrates, and that proprietary |
| 13:07.31 | ljp_laptop | the medium and high bitrates surestream doesnt use sipro |
| 13:08.27 | ljp_laptop | not real sure if they have the real codecs for arm in binary for download, though |
| 13:09.02 | ljp_laptop | suppose I down provide a binary |
| 13:09.05 | pb_ | source would be okay. |
| 13:09.07 | ljp_laptop | could, not down |
| 13:09.21 | ljp_laptop | well, you have to sign licenses for real codec sourses |
| 13:09.22 | pb_ | I think I have all the right paperwork on file with Real. |
| 13:09.43 | ljp_laptop | you can get the _restricted dirs? |
| 13:10.18 | pb_ | lemme check. I haven't done much with helix yet. |
| 13:10.41 | ljp_laptop | I sorta lost interest. |
| 13:11.11 | ljp_laptop | I wrote an alsa interface to the client... they never committed my patches |
| 13:12.10 | pb_ | yeah, it seems happy to let me into -restricted. is it rarvcode-audio that I want? |
| 13:13.41 | ljp_laptop | you'll need common-restricted and datatype-restricted |
| 13:13.44 | pb_ | ok |
| 13:15.47 | ljp_laptop | and use the systemid of linux-2.2-libc6-armv4l |
| 13:16.12 | ljp_laptop | their build system is kinda clunky |
| 13:16.56 | ljp_laptop | you might have to fight it to get everything built thats needed |
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| 13:21.44 | cmartin | mickeyl: i think what the opensimpad users are looking for in regard to the keyboard is the possibilty to enlargen it to type with their fingers |
| 13:21.52 | cmartin | this is what they are used to under CE |
| 13:22.22 | cmartin | they don't want to have to use the stylus |
| 13:23.35 | cmartin | i think making it smaller will probably anger them than do the opposite |
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| 13:25.00 | absentiaS | morn' |
| 13:26.30 | chouimat | http://www.dilbert.com/ |
| 13:27.23 | Twiun | hey chouimat |
| 13:28.19 | chouimat | hey Twiun |
| 13:28.28 | cmartin | mickeyl: BTW: my keyboard hasn't changed - i think "cvs up" in OPIEROOT isn't enough |
| 13:32.14 | cmartin | mickeyl: sorry - forgot to clean my build/opie - building again |
| 13:35.20 | ljp_laptop | *yawn* |
| 13:35.33 | ljp_laptop | *stretch* |
| 13:38.05 | ljp_laptop | who has a c700 they will send me? |
| 13:40.22 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: no me |
| 13:40.26 | chouimat | s/no/not |
| 13:44.32 | yeiazel | who has a c760 they will send me? |
| 13:45.47 | ljp_laptop | sharp does |
| 13:47.21 | mickeyl | cmartin: hmm... we'll see. someone may make the size of the inputmethods customizable - even to have them as floatable popup-windows would be reasonable in SIMpad. but that is definitly post opie-1.0 stuff |
| 13:48.48 | ljp_laptop | port xstroke |
| 13:49.35 | mickeyl | yeah... someone should port xstroke |
| 13:50.13 | ljp_laptop | sounds like a good job for you, maybe..? |
| 13:50.50 | mickeyl | not at all |
| 13:51.10 | mickeyl | after opie 1.0 i will do a lot more work on my real job and do less on opie and openzaurus |
| 13:51.50 | mickeyl | my long-term plan is to hack a bit on the libraries for opie 2.0 ... but without deadlines or haste or whatever |
| 13:51.53 | ljp_laptop | ya, hopefully, I will be doing more work on my real job by then also |
| 13:54.00 | mickeyl | but the difference is that your real job may involve opie while may don't :) |
| 13:54.04 | mickeyl | s/may/my |
| 13:54.14 | mickeyl | doesn't even |
| 13:54.29 | ljp_laptop | true. but mine will mostly be qtopia |
| 13:55.32 | ljp_laptop | if there's anything about qte or qtopia you guys want to bring up to TT, ket me know. I started a list of things... |
| 13:55.47 | ljp_laptop | like kernel keymapping and such |
| 13:57.20 | cmartin | mickeyl: wouldn't it be possible to use a special keymap for the keyboard to get a bigger keyboard? or doesn't this effect the size at all? |
| 13:58.04 | cmartin | mickeyl: if so we could just create a keymap for the larger size and the users can just change the keymap for the bigger keyboard |
| 13:58.47 | mickeyl | cmartin: sounds good. you may look into multikey. |
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| 14:02.47 | ljp_laptop | is there a way to specify packages that conflict with others? |
| 14:03.06 | mickeyl | ljp_laptop: yes. there's a field in ipkg: conflicts |
| 14:03.08 | ljp_laptop | such as the freetype in qtopia conflicts with the freetype package? |
| 14:03.18 | ljp_laptop | I mean in the build system |
| 14:03.39 | mickeyl | conflict not, but you can fake that via depends |
| 14:04.00 | mickeyl | make a depend on not b |
| 14:04.03 | mickeyl | and b depend on not a |
| 14:04.11 | mickeyl | then you can only select one |
| 14:04.17 | mickeyl | or you use a choice value |
| 14:04.20 | ljp_laptop | hmmm.. |
| 14:04.32 | mickeyl | or you can use runtime check |
| 14:04.35 | mickeyl | in makefile |
| 14:04.38 | mickeyl | ifdef bla |
| 14:04.40 | mickeyl | ifndef blub |
| 14:04.43 | mickeyl | or so |
| 14:06.15 | ljp_laptop | maybe kergoth can rig up a conflicts with package |
| 14:06.20 | ljp_laptop | for oe |
| 14:06.52 | mickeyl | yeah - as an extension to lkc |
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| 14:09.35 | bipolar | oh, shit... |
| 14:10.37 | bipolar | Something has changed either in gcc 2.95.4 or the kernel/headers. gcc2 won't compile the kernel but 3.2 will. |
| 14:10.39 | bipolar | strange |
| 14:10.51 | mickeyl | don't use 2.95.4 |
| 14:10.56 | bipolar | :( |
| 14:10.57 | mickeyl | i had lots of problems with it |
| 14:11.01 | bipolar | grrrrr |
| 14:11.22 | mickeyl | 2.95.3 is old but trust |
| 14:11.23 | mickeyl | y |
| 14:11.31 | bipolar | awww.... crap. |
| 14:11.49 | bipolar | well, I guess I'll see how the kernel runs when it's built with 3.2 |
| 14:11.57 | bipolar | should be interesting. |
| 14:11.59 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 14:12.07 | mickeyl | for what device are you building? |
| 14:12.11 | bipolar | Zaurus |
| 14:12.14 | bipolar | 5500 |
| 14:12.27 | mickeyl | oh good. with opie branch or head? |
| 14:12.35 | bipolar | branch |
| 14:12.43 | bipolar | I'm building for unstable |
| 14:12.53 | bipolar | but first I do a gcc3 build |
| 14:13.08 | mickeyl | nice. please notify me, if it works. my Z is bricked atm and then I can test a gcc3 version |
| 14:13.14 | bipolar | just to make sure everything is compatible and to build for my own device. |
| 14:13.59 | bipolar | we'll the kernel built but there's an error linking. So I'm going to have to find an older toolchain |
| 14:14.15 | bipolar | take a look: |
| 14:14.16 | bipolar | arm-linux-ld -r -o sa1100.o generic.o irq.o dma-sa1100.o collie.o m62332.o collie_battery.o collie_led.o collie_apm.o power.o suspend.o |
| 14:14.17 | bipolar | arm-linux-ld: ERROR: suspend.o uses hardware FP, whereas sa1100.o uses software FP |
| 14:14.18 | bipolar | File format not recognized: failed to merge target specific data of file suspend.o |
| 14:14.24 | cmartin | can someone explain the following number code from the multikey map - the first digit seems to be the width |
| 14:14.32 | cmartin | "21 7 2 1" |
| 14:16.04 | bipolar | which toolchain from http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/old/ should I use? There's 4 of them there. |
| 14:17.18 | mickeyl | 3 or 2 ? |
| 14:18.12 | mickeyl | if 2, then use oz-1.2 from april. no problems with this one |
| 14:18.33 | bipolar | ok |
| 14:18.38 | mickeyl | cmartin: no idea. who wrote multikey anway? |
| 14:18.50 | bipolar | I've had buildroor build a 3.2 toolchain, so that shouldn't be a problem |
| 14:18.51 | mickeyl | maybe ask in #opie (but not right now as all appear to be sleeping ); |
| 14:18.53 | mickeyl | ;) |
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| 14:22.52 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 14:22.54 | Twiun | hehe, "... If you notice any unexpected functionality, please use our bug tracker..." |
| 14:23.16 | Twiun | I like that "unexpected functionality" |
| 14:23.59 | ljp_laptop | heheh thats a good one |
| 14:26.07 | pb_ | heh |
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| 14:36.37 | ljp_laptop | how can I error out of a buildroot makefile to stop it? |
| 14:37.08 | Piete | hey guys |
| 14:37.17 | bipolar | hi Piete |
| 14:38.04 | schurig | ibot: seen tronical |
| 14:38.06 | | tronical is currently on #openembedded (6d 21h 26m 20s). Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 18h 15m 14s |
| 14:38.29 | Piete | can any of you reccomend a cheap PCMCIA/PCI 802.11b card? It doest have to have great range or anything,, I just want to plug it in my firewall to give my zaurus internet access in my small apparment :) |
| 14:39.01 | bipolar | Piete: hmmm... why not just get a linksys access point? It's probbly cheaper. |
| 14:39.18 | cyn2 | AP's are as cheap as wireless after rebate either way |
| 14:39.31 | bipolar | Piete: Then you just need to plug it into your hub and there is no configuring to do. |
| 14:39.39 | cyn2 | which is a bonus :) |
| 14:39.59 | Piete | nah, I'd prefer a normal network card |
| 14:40.04 | Piete | erm |
| 14:40.09 | Piete | normal wifi card rather :) |
| 14:40.24 | bipolar | Piete: I've only used Linksys cards, and they suck |
| 14:40.52 | ljp_laptop | I have a dlink 660 that I use on my z and my laptop via a cf to pc card adaprt |
| 14:40.53 | Piete | I already have my firewall configured for normal ethernet, works like a charm, and I have over a year of uptime |
| 14:41.35 | Piete | is it just me, or are there no pure PCI 802 card available? all of them seem to be PCMCIA cards in a PCMCIA>PCI adapter |
| 14:42.08 | cmartin | Piete: the only alternative is USB |
| 14:42.51 | Piete | oh well.. |
| 14:42.55 | cmartin | Piete: but AP is really the better way to do it |
| 14:43.01 | Piete | why? |
| 14:44.11 | cmartin | configuring an AP is easier than your OS - and you could even put the ap an a seperate "DMZ" of your firewall, protecting your other LAN PCs from potential intruders over WLAN |
| 14:44.27 | cmartin | s/ an/on |
| 14:45.03 | Piete | DMZ_INTERFACES="" <-- |
| 14:45.45 | Piete | my firewall script is really user friendly, and it has all the features I need, plus a lot more |
| 14:45.56 | Piete | http://projectfiles.com/firewall/config.html |
| 14:46.59 | cmartin | AP is just more flexible, if you know hat i mean |
| 14:47.10 | Piete | actualy I don't |
| 14:48.04 | Piete | I can't imagine that a linksys firewall with its little web-configuration thing is more flexible than my slackware linux firewall |
| 14:48.10 | cmartin | Take for instance you have your FW in the basement with lots of cement between you and the FW - you could then place the AP sonewhere else access is possible |
| 14:48.36 | cmartin | s/ where access |
| 14:48.53 | Piete | true. but I live in korea. My appartment is smaller than most american living rooms |
| 14:48.57 | bipolar | Piete: I was not recomending a firewall. I was just suguesting the AP, which you just plug into your network and it works. |
| 14:49.00 | cmartin | but since your in an appartment this wouldn't apply to you ;) |
| 14:49.05 | Piete | :P |
| 14:49.19 | Piete | bipolar: well, a little configuration doesnt scare me off :P |
| 14:50.14 | cmartin | I would configure the AP also - WEP, MAC-Filter etc. |
| 14:50.27 | Piete | if I get 802 in my appartment, I'll put everyting in a little VPN anyway, so outside intruders won't bother me much |
| 14:50.41 | cmartin | maybe I'm a little paranoid, but I work in the IT-Security field ;-) |
| 14:50.44 | bipolar | I still cant get a kernel built |
| 14:50.57 | Piete | cmartin: hehe :) well, I don't blame ya :) |
| 14:51.26 | bipolar | It keeps giving me errors about one object using hw floating point math and another using sw. |
| 14:51.46 | bipolar | I wonder if the kernel-headers upgrade busted it. |
| 14:51.56 | schurig | Piete: so, do Korean's live an similar tiny spaces as the lemmings, err, japanese? |
| 14:52.06 | Piete | schurig: yup :) |
| 14:52.19 | Piete | I'm thinking of moving to japan next year.. |
| 14:52.31 | Piete | then I'll get all the new Zaurii :) |
| 14:53.22 | schurig | Piete: isn't it fortunate that the average asian is smaller as the average non-asian? Otherwise you wouldn't fit into your living room :-) |
| 14:54.31 | Piete | schurig: yea. actualy my room would be quite spacious if it weren't for my western habits; I still can't sleep without a bed, and I hate using computers while sitting on the ground.. so I have a desk in there too |
| 14:54.57 | Piete | I have about 3 feet x 5 feet of walking space in here between my desk and bed :) |
| 14:56.23 | ljp_laptop | put the bed in a loft above the desk.. |
| 14:56.53 | ljp_laptop | classic university dorm style |
| 14:57.21 | schurig | now, people really work with computers while sitting on a futon mat or the floor? |
| 14:57.36 | Piete | oh, and thats another thing.. the ceilings tend to be quite low compared to western homes :) This one is about 4 feet lower than my house back home |
| 14:58.03 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 14:58.17 | Piete | however, thats still a good idea.. |
| 14:58.20 | ljp_laptop | ok, make a bed that folds up to the wall during the day |
| 14:58.32 | Piete | ljp_laptop: heh, I was about to say that :P |
| 14:59.14 | Piete | anyway.. bedtime for me :) |
| 14:59.16 | Piete | nite |
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| 15:09.25 | cmartin | can somebody explain this to me.... |
| 15:10.13 | cmartin | i have a 10Mbit PCMCIA card that is recognised by my iPAQ running OZ, but on my SIMpad with the same it's not recognised |
| 15:10.35 | kergoth | define not recognized |
| 15:10.50 | cmartin | funny thing is the bootloader of the SIMpad recognises it and can install images over the network over it |
| 15:10.54 | cmartin | kergoth: hi |
| 15:11.09 | kergoth | ibot: tueday |
| 15:11.10 | | kergoth: I give up, what is it? |
| 15:11.11 | kergoth | bleh |
| 15:11.13 | kergoth | ibot: tuesday |
| 15:11.14 | | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday), or a day in which there are no meetings |
| 15:11.17 | cmartin | Cardmon always says "Anonymous Memory" |
| 15:11.31 | kergoth | anonymous memory indicates it wasnt able to obtain the card information |
| 15:11.37 | cmartin | yes |
| 15:11.38 | kergoth | likely a kernel problem |
| 15:11.40 | ljp_laptop | Sugar: make kergoth an espresso |
| 15:11.49 | kergoth | mmm |
| 15:12.17 | ljp_laptop | what package provides -lutils? |
| 15:12.24 | cmartin | i get this message on the console: "cs: socket c02ae800 timed out during reset. Try increasing setup_delay." when putting it in the slot |
| 15:12.33 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: you mean -lutil? |
| 15:12.36 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: its part of glibc |
| 15:12.55 | kergoth | cmartin: well like i said, take it up with your kernel folks |
| 15:13.06 | cmartin | i think so too |
| 15:13.11 | ljp_laptop | hmm.. ok. odd |
| 15:18.04 | Twiun | cmartin: having problems with typo3 - install went ok, but following their tutorial, after creating a root template and viewwing a page it just says 'generating' and reloads that forever |
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| 15:25.23 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup sources.redhat.com |
| 15:25.57 | cmartin | Twiun: send me your template "Setup" and the tmpl file contents (if you use html templates)- cmartin@opensimpad.org |
| 15:27.16 | Twiun | cmartin: there's nothing to send - according to the tutorial it should have given me 'hello world' ;) I haven't got as far as populating it with real content |
| 15:27.53 | pb_ | ljp_laptop: do you know what the difference is between linux-2.2-libc6-armv4l.cf and linux-2.2-libc6-armv4l-zaurus.cf? |
| 15:28.04 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: idea for oe, have some way to specify packages that conflict with... as in qtopia wont build with freetype |
| 15:28.30 | ljp_laptop | pb_ the zaurus one is specific to zaurus, only. not really needed yet as video isnt working |
| 15:28.31 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: you already can, we follow gentoo conventions wrt depends |
| 15:28.42 | cmartin | Twiun: paste the contents of Template->Setup here - if it is supposed to do that, then it should only be a couple of lines |
| 15:28.46 | ljp_laptop | hhmm ok. great |
| 15:28.50 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: you can specify dependency on a certain version of something, version based on wildcard, that something is not installed, etc |
| 15:29.26 | kergoth | course I didnt actually imlpement handling of ! in oemake yet.. |
| 15:29.29 | kergoth | but i will ;) |
| 15:29.34 | ljp_laptop | heheh |
| 15:29.54 | ljp_laptop | is that embedded gentoo guy helping? |
| 15:30.02 | Twiun | cmartin: # Default PAGE object: |
| 15:30.02 | Twiun | cmartin: page = PAGE |
| 15:30.02 | Twiun | cmartin: page.typeNum = 0 |
| 15:30.02 | Twiun | cmartin: page.10 = TEXT |
| 15:30.02 | Twiun | cmartin: page.10.value = HELLO WORLD! |
| 15:30.11 | kergoth | the embedded gentoo folks are now working on zynot, the gentoo fork |
| 15:30.24 | cmartin | Twiun: k, that's the default |
| 15:30.32 | pb_ | ljp_laptop: right, thanks |
| 15:30.47 | cmartin | is the URL accessable from the Internet? |
| 15:31.11 | kergoth | checking glibc out of cvs takes way too fucking long |
| 15:31.18 | Twiun | cmartin: yep, http://tangency.co.uk/dummy/ |
| 15:31.58 | Twiun | kergoth: as is compiling it afterwards |
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| 15:32.02 | cmartin | Twiun: what's your prob - i see "HELLO WORLD!" |
| 15:32.33 | Twiun | cmartin: weird - when I select a node and show all I get is a repeated 'generating' message |
| 15:33.00 | Twiun | cmartin: http://tangency.co.uk/dummy/index.php?id=6 |
| 15:33.27 | treke | mornin kergoth |
| 15:33.45 | Twiun | cmartin: or is this expected behaviour and the tutorial has a typo? |
| 15:33.47 | cmartin | Twiun:k i got generating, then after about two seconds "HELLO WORLD!" |
| 15:33.52 | Twiun | hey treke |
| 15:34.12 | Twiun | cmartin: now I also have hello world... |
| 15:34.27 | Twiun | cmartin: I must either have a very slow machine or an issue with browsing locally |
| 15:34.39 | cmartin | Twiun: maybe |
| 15:35.00 | Twiun | cmartin: I'll continue with the tutorial and see how that goes |
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| 15:35.10 | Twiun | hey apache444 |
| 15:35.19 | apache444 | Hey Twiun, how are ya? |
| 15:36.25 | Twiun | I'm doing well - not really doing any dev atm though - you? |
| 15:37.00 | apache444 | No, not really. Been too busy at work, so haven't had a chance to look at anything on my Ipaq. I'd really like to get things working, but haven't had a chance yet. |
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| 15:37.11 | apache444 | Noda finally got his laptop, so we'll start playing with the 3C1 soon. |
| 15:37.24 | Twiun | that's good news |
| 15:37.39 | apache444 | I still haven't gotten my WCF12 to work on my IPAQ which really sucks cuz it means I have no internet access on it. |
| 15:38.18 | apache444 | It "should" work, but there's some little problem with treke's h3600 image... I haven't had a chance to figure out what yet. |
| 15:38.33 | treke | It's not a problem with my image |
| 15:38.34 | apache444 | I'm sure it's something simple, but argh... there's only so much time in a day... |
| 15:38.42 | apache444 | treke! |
| 15:38.56 | apache444 | Well, I meant the config files in there... it's something simple right? |
| 15:39.01 | treke | No |
| 15:39.32 | apache444 | It's not something simple? Cuz it was working before wasn't it? I mean with other wireless cards too. Cuz even Noda's wireless CF card doesn't work, and it should since it works on his Zaurus. |
| 15:40.00 | treke | the same thing happens with familiar |
| 15:40.19 | treke | It's something in either the driver or the handhelds.org kernel |
| 15:40.22 | apache444 | So you've never had wireless working with Linux on the ipaq? |
| 15:40.37 | treke | I've had wireless working with Linux on the ipaq. |
| 15:40.43 | apache444 | using which kernel? |
| 15:40.45 | treke | I used to have a wcf11 |
| 15:40.57 | treke | before that I used a version 1 wpc11 |
| 15:41.09 | apache444 | Oh... i don't have a PCMCIA slot for my Ipaq. :) |
| 15:43.12 | treke | best I can recommend at the moment is to buy a new card |
| 15:43.36 | apache444 | which card should work? cuz the smc doesn't work either. |
| 15:43.42 | treke | the WCF11 works |
| 15:44.31 | apache444 | oh it does? hmmm... I thought you and I were getting different error messages though. |
| 15:44.49 | treke | WCF11 not the WCF12 |
| 15:46.24 | treke | more cards probably do work, but that is the only one that I have ever tried |
| 15:47.09 | apache444 | ok, cuz sometimes my ipaq doesn't even detect that a card is in there... like right now, cardmgr is running, I put in the card, type cardctl info and it shows no cards |
| 15:47.26 | treke | then something else is happening |
| 15:49.49 | apache444 | yeah I know... that's what I'm trying to figure out. I actually have to do a hard reset to get it to work again. |
| 15:50.19 | ljp_laptop | you forgot to chant, 'great googli-moogli' while rebooting |
| 15:50.26 | apache444 | hehe |
| 15:50.54 | ljp_laptop | you mean it worked once? |
| 15:51.21 | apache444 | yeah, used to work all the time. i'd stick the card in, cardctl info would show the card. |
| 15:51.24 | apache444 | not anymore. |
| 15:54.51 | cmartin | gotta go |
| 15:54.53 | cmartin | bbl |
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| 16:00.53 | treke | 2.95.3 and 2.95.4 are completly binary compatibile, right? |
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| 16:02.41 | ljp_laptop | ya |
| 16:04.53 | bipolar | kergoth: Running mrproper and rebuilding fixed the kernel build problem. I guess make clean left things around. |
| 16:07.11 | kergoth | k |
| 16:11.13 | treke | sweet |
| 16:11.50 | treke | man this kernel build is hating me |
| 16:17.03 | kergoth | christ, there's an annoying oe parsing bug, then an annoying path handling bug that results in my shit going into the wrong dir, then .. hmm |
| 16:17.59 | ljp_laptop | push it down the stairs |
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| 16:30.38 | carsten | re |
| 16:32.58 | ljp_laptop | hey carsten |
| 16:33.41 | carsten | moin |
| 16:40.04 | treke | doh! |
| 16:40.07 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:40.16 | treke | I bet my problem is that I'm packaging a hh18 beta as hh16 |
| 16:41.31 | treke | kergoth: Most of the kernel modules aren't being packaged up |
| 16:41.37 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:43.25 | treke | hrm. |
| 16:43.30 | treke | the 5400 looks like it has some kind of buzzer |
| 16:43.41 | treke | hopefully it still has a speaker |
| 16:44.21 | ljp_laptop | c'mon, Ozzy will sound the same though a speaker or buzzer.... |
| 16:44.59 | effy | I need a new fuck buddy |
| 16:45.05 | effy | anyone got suggestions? |
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| 16:46.35 | ljp_laptop | get a blowup doll |
| 16:46.44 | apache444 | Isn't Britney free now? |
| 16:46.57 | ljp_laptop | shes a virgin |
| 16:47.01 | effy | they have these life-like dutch wives in Japan now |
| 16:47.10 | treke | ljp_laptop: and I'm the queen of england |
| 16:47.12 | apache444 | As if she's a virgin. |
| 16:47.34 | apache444 | Hail to the Queen! |
| 16:47.40 | effy | ljp: you didnt see her in that porno vid taking a helluva facial? |
| 16:50.55 | ljp_laptop | how dare yousay that about my Britney |
| 16:52.06 | apache444 | oh... so she's already taken then... by ljp |
| 16:52.25 | kergoth | bah, ljp has his surfer girls in au |
| 16:52.36 | apache444 | nice! |
| 16:52.40 | ljp_laptop | :) yup. they are all waiting for me |
| 17:02.03 | treke | bleh. I'll just wait for the next kernel release and see if it's still broken then I'll deal with it |
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| 17:07.24 | llama_ | hello |
| 17:07.36 | llama_ | is there anyone here? |
| 17:08.05 | llama_ | hmmm |
| 17:09.20 | lllama | when i try to start xmms on oz3.2 i get following message: xmms: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:10.19 | treke | lllama: #openzaurus.org is the best place to go for support |
| 17:10.25 | kergoth | s/.org// |
| 17:10.32 | treke | hehe |
| 17:10.35 | treke | #openzaurus |
| 17:11.56 | lllama | what do u mean with "s/..." kergoth? |
| 17:12.10 | treke | he means I mistyped the channel name |
| 17:12.17 | treke | you want to be in #openzaurus |
| 17:12.26 | lllama | ok |
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| 17:16.19 | treke | wtf. someone added php5 packages to buildroot |
| 17:16.43 | kenb | wow. |
| 17:16.47 | kenb | that's a big... um... big. |
| 17:17.03 | treke | hardwire has *way* too much time on his hands |
| 17:17.51 | kenb | is MySQL in builtroot yet? |
| 17:18.27 | treke | nope |
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| 17:21.31 | bipolar | Woooohooo! The new CPU fans are here! |
| 17:32.11 | treke | is there a way to abort pending changes? |
| 17:32.42 | kergoth | yeah, you use bk stripdel to rip off that delta |
| 17:33.01 | treke | oh, I can do that even though the patch isnt commited? |
| 17:33.12 | kergoth | if you ci'd it, the delta is on the file |
| 17:33.15 | kergoth | it just isnt in a changeset yet |
| 17:33.17 | treke | ok |
| 17:37.15 | absentiaS | re |
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| 17:53.48 | Dessimat0r | yo |
| 17:54.32 | kergoth | hey Dessimat0r |
| 17:55.24 | Dessimat0r | fucking kids outside... I really do hate Summer around here |
| 17:55.24 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 17:55.47 | Dessimat0r | Every three seconds there is a thump from their football |
| 17:57.42 | treke | summer here sucks also |
| 17:57.44 | treke | too hot |
| 17:58.47 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 17:58.56 | Dessimat0r | Texas must be mad in summer |
| 17:59.42 | Dessimat0r | http://syllable.sourceforge.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=My_eGallery&file=index&do=showpic&pid=14 |
| 18:00.24 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: take a look at Syllable ;) A brand new kernel, running their own GUI |
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| 18:44.21 | kergoth | ibot: tuesday |
| 18:44.30 | treke | Tuesdays suck |
| 18:44.41 | kergoth | ibot? |
| 18:44.49 | treke | at least that's what my bashrc thinks |
| 18:44.49 | bipolar | kergoth: did you get an IM from my wife? ;) |
| 18:45.06 | bipolar | kergoth: she thought you were one of her friends.... heheh |
| 18:45.14 | kergoth | bipolar: yup. i have a tendency to ignore people i dont know, so hey. |
| 18:45.17 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 18:53.35 | TCMAN | hi |
| 18:53.53 | TCMAN | what will happen if i upgrade hostap modules to unstable ? :) |
| 18:55.32 | kenb | you'll have unstable hostap modules. |
| 18:56.05 | TCMAN | but it will not blow up my OZ 3.2 ? |
| 18:56.18 | kenb | depends on how unstable they are |
| 18:56.28 | TCMAN | they changed accesspoints at work and i cannot connect now |
| 18:56.38 | TCMAN | the same card works on my notebook with hostap 0 0 3 |
| 18:59.54 | kenb | worth a shot |
| 19:00.10 | kenb | keep a copy of the current ipkg handy on the device ;) |
| 19:01.19 | ljp_laptop | the whole free world depends on you to not update hostap modules! |
| 19:01.49 | TCMAN | hehe |
| 19:06.40 | TCMAN | uh oh ipkg blows up on this ipk :) |
| 19:07.45 | ljp_laptop | oh wonderful. you just took out Maine |
| 19:08.51 | Neo|Work | so what the fuck is up with the C750 ipkg installer not handling '-' in the filename? |
| 19:08.54 | Neo|Work | That's fucking annoying |
| 19:09.01 | TCMAN | good, :) if it takes out Stephen King with it |
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| 19:09.10 | kergoth | Neo|Work: thats really fucking stupid. |
| 19:09.53 | Neo|Work | http://eongames.com/tmp/error.png |
| 19:10.05 | Neo|Work | breaks with quite a few of my packages, needless to say |
| 19:10.27 | kergoth | - is used in both package names and versions in half the packages out there |
| 19:10.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:10.51 | Neo|Work | 'Package is the name of the package and should match the regular expression [a-z0-9.+-]\+' |
| 19:11.42 | Neo|Work | that package is named eon-libsdl_1.0_arm.ipk |
| 19:12.06 | ljp_laptop | gotta wonder about those that are creating those roms |
| 19:12.06 | Neo|Work | the fun thing is that if you rename the package eonlibstd_1.0_arm.ipk, it instead fails with "package has been renamed" or something like that |
| 19:12.19 | TCMAN | hmm, that should be interesting, upgrading hostap-modules to unstable also downloaded and upgraded kernel |
| 19:12.27 | ljp_laptop | you have to also change the control file |
| 19:12.58 | ljp_laptop | TCMAN-food: ohhh, do that, and you take out Florida |
| 19:15.21 | pb_ | ljp_laptop: is that a threat? |
| 19:16.27 | kergoth | I need a drink. |
| 19:16.36 | kergoth | Sugar make me a scotch on the rocks |
| 19:16.56 | Neo|Work | overall it's fucking insane to use the filename to determine what the package i |
| 19:16.57 | Neo|Work | is |
| 19:17.00 | ljp_laptop | no, nothing wrong with FL |
| 19:17.11 | kergoth | yep, it should be relying on the metadata in the control file inside the ipk |
| 19:18.24 | Neo|Work | I will NOT change my packages to accomodate such stupid bugs |
| 19:19.59 | ljp_laptop | in Soviet Russia, the packages would change you! |
| 19:24.29 | pb_ | kergoth: encountered an amusing ipkg issue on handhelds.org at the weekend. turns out some people have been uploading .ipks with a spurious Filename: header in their control file. |
| 19:24.55 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:25.04 | pb_ | typically what seemed to happen is that they would upload a new version frobnitz_1.1_arm.ipk, but leave the Filename: saying frobnitz_1.0_arm.ipk. |
| 19:25.14 | pb_ | took me ages to figure out what was going wrong there. |
| 19:25.58 | mewyn | foo |
| 19:26.07 | kergoth | bar |
| 19:26.20 | mewyn | kergoth: you not using zelda any more? |
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| 19:37.09 | mickeyl | andersee: ping |
| 19:37.26 | mickeyl | or anyone |
| 19:37.40 | XavierXeon | pong |
| 19:37.40 | mickeyl | is -march=armv4 no longer legal with gcc3.x ? |
| 19:38.00 | XavierXeon | havent tried |
| 19:38.08 | mickeyl | make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/local/projects/opensimpad/build/uClibc-0.9.20/ldso/ldso' |
| 19:38.08 | mickeyl | arm-linux-gcc -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fstrict-aliasing -Os -march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -mapcs-32 -fno-builtin -nostdinc -D_LIBC -I../../include -I. -I/usr/local/arm/3.3/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.3/include -DNDEBUG -fPIC -I. -I./arm -I../libdl -c arm/resolve.S -o arm/resolve.o |
| 19:38.08 | mickeyl | as: unrecognized option `-march=armv4' |
| 19:38.08 | mickeyl | make[4]: *** [arm/resolve.o] Error 1 |
| 19:38.55 | pb_ | need newer binutils, I think |
| 19:39.16 | mickeyl | d'oh. hmm... that was a brand new 3.3 toolchain built from uclibc |
| 19:39.33 | pb_ | recent gcc3 no longer interprets those options into gas-speak. you need an assembler that can handle the real deal. |
| 19:39.49 | mickeyl | ah. hmm... andersee? |
| 19:40.09 | XavierXeon | acoording to man page it is still valid |
| 19:40.13 | XavierXeon | -march=name |
| 19:40.13 | XavierXeon | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.26 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 19:40.55 | mickeyl | damn.... now that i finally have a 3.3-uclibc toolchain and want to build an OZ-image with it ... |
| 19:40.57 | pb_ | mickeyl: what version of gas do you have? I think 2.14 hould be ok. |
| 19:41.35 | mickeyl | mickeyl@gandalf:/usr/local/projects/opensimpad$ /usr/local/arm/3.3/bin/arm-linux-as -v |
| 19:41.35 | mickeyl | GNU assembler version 2.13.2.1 (arm-linux) using BFD version 2.13.2.1 |
| 19:41.38 | mickeyl | grrr |
| 19:41.40 | mickeyl | too old |
| 19:41.43 | pb_ | looks like you lose. |
| 19:41.47 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 19:41.56 | pb_ | still, binutils is easy to build from source. |
| 19:42.10 | pb_ | it doesn't have any external requirements. just download, configure, make, install. |
| 19:42.18 | mickeyl | pb_: ah well... judging from the uclibc-toolchain makefile it doesn't seem so... |
| 19:45.31 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 19:45.38 | mickeyl | In file included from /var/compile/gcc-3.3/build_arm/binutils-2.14/bfd/elf32-arm.h:3739, |
| 19:45.39 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.39 | mickeyl | elf32-target.h:498: error: `false' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 19:45.54 | pb_ | hell. |
| 19:45.57 | mickeyl | now I know why he uses 2.13.x |
| 19:46.22 | XavierXeon | isnt false c++ only ? |
| 19:46.23 | mickeyl | now can't things _just work_ some times? |
| 19:46.33 | pb_ | mickeyl: time to bitch at drow, I guess. |
| 19:47.14 | mickeyl | who is drow? |
| 19:47.20 | pb_ | binutils release manager dude |
| 19:47.25 | mickeyl | ah ok. |
| 19:48.05 | pb_ | mickeyl: try changing that line to use bfd_false instead of false. |
| 19:48.10 | pb_ | see if that makes it compile. |
| 19:50.25 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:50.37 | mickeyl | the error comes form #define elf_backend_collect false |
| 19:50.45 | pb_ | ah. |
| 19:50.46 | mickeyl | substituting with bsd_false makes another error |
| 19:50.51 | pb_ | bfd, not bsd |
| 19:51.07 | mickeyl | ups... sorry |
| 19:51.26 | mickeyl | bsd_false undeclared here |
| 19:51.34 | mickeyl | argh |
| 19:51.37 | mickeyl | i had it bfd_false |
| 19:51.44 | pb_ | hah |
| 19:52.17 | mickeyl | no go |
| 19:52.18 | mickeyl | elf32-target.h:515: error: invalid initial value for member `collect' |
| 19:52.26 | mickeyl | but a few lines below |
| 19:52.28 | mickeyl | :) |
| 19:52.32 | pb_ | :-( |
| 19:52.40 | pb_ | suck. |
| 19:52.45 | mickeyl | yep |
| 19:53.29 | mickeyl | no |
| 19:53.48 | pb_ | double suck |
| 19:54.18 | mickeyl | yup. it's a pity... every time I try pushing uclibc forward in buildroot something like that happens... |
| 19:54.27 | mickeyl | frustrating |
| 19:54.49 | pb_ | I'll have a poke at binutils later if you remind me. Shouldn't be too hard to make it work. |
| 19:54.52 | ljp_laptop | will qte compile with uclibc? |
| 19:55.07 | mickeyl | pb_: great. thanks in advance. I'll drop you a reminder. |
| 19:55.12 | mickeyl | ljp_laptop: qte is no problem. |
| 19:57.11 | ljp_laptop | and opie? |
| 19:57.33 | mickeyl | ljp_laptop: opie was the problem - because for that i needed libstdc++ and this is why i must build a complete toolchain and not only uclibc in buildroot. |
| 19:57.46 | mickeyl | and that is the current situation. struggling with the toolchain |
| 19:58.00 | ljp_laptop | hmmm,, which package needs libstdc++? |
| 19:58.04 | mickeyl | aqpkg |
| 19:58.06 | mickeyl | at least |
| 19:58.09 | ljp_laptop | grrrrr |
| 19:58.10 | mickeyl | and imho a few others |
| 19:58.42 | mickeyl | but fear not... i believe we can sort this out... just a matter of time |
| 19:59.24 | mickeyl | not a BIC deal for me |
| 20:01.47 | ljp_laptop | still, I dont think there's any reason to use stdc++ when qt is available |
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| 20:02.12 | cmartin | hi |
| 20:02.24 | mickeyl | shouldn't be a big deal to rewrite aqpkg to use the qt collection classes... for the beloved mr. someone who has time ;)) |
| 20:02.25 | mickeyl | hi cmartin |
| 20:03.17 | cmartin | mickeyl: i noticed a little ugly side-effect of your 1/2-keyboard implementation for the simpad... |
| 20:03.49 | cmartin | the space to the right of the keyboard isn't refreshed, leaving an ugly area |
| 20:04.20 | mickeyl | oh. |
| 20:04.45 | mickeyl | can you make a screenie? that didn't happen on qvfb |
| 20:04.52 | cmartin | when plugging in a PCMCIA card the pop-up info stays there for instance |
| 20:05.45 | cmartin | and the app window that was moved up is also still visible, even though it's no longer there |
| 20:06.14 | mickeyl | hmm... well... it was a quick one-liner hack |
| 20:06.31 | cmartin | yes, i saw it |
| 20:06.31 | mickeyl | no time for further investigation atm. |
| 20:06.41 | mickeyl | maybe you can take a look into inputmethod.cpp |
| 20:07.03 | mickeyl | seems i missed one or more places |
| 20:07.08 | mickeyl | to adjust |
| 20:07.50 | mickeyl | too bad. it looked really good on qvfb in 800x600. much better than full-width |
| 20:08.23 | mickeyl | actually we really need that to be a floating top-level window on SIMpad |
| 20:08.47 | cmartin | yes, it could probably be more efficient, since you wouldn't have to move your hand so far to the right and left while typing |
| 20:08.59 | mickeyl | yup, that was the idea |
| 20:09.47 | mickeyl | bbl - must spend an hour with my wife before she goes to bed ;) |
| 20:09.48 | cmartin | mickeyl: BTW: keyboards arrived today - i'll send yours with the post tomorrow |
| 20:10.03 | mickeyl | cmartin: aah cool. hopefully the driver is a no-brainer |
| 20:10.20 | ljp_laptop | how difficult is libstdc++ -> qt ? |
| 20:10.31 | mickeyl|bbl | should be pretty straightforward |
| 20:15.28 | ljp_laptop | well, I may take a shot at it, while I am in TT limbo here |
| 20:17.14 | bipolar | buildroot can apply more then one patch just by adding another source line, right? |
| 20:18.28 | kergoth | no, by adding another patch to the Sources variable |
| 20:18.41 | kergoth | adding another sources variable will just override the previous |
| 20:18.44 | bipolar | kergoth: thats what I meant. :) |
| 20:18.49 | bipolar | ok, cool |
| 20:18.52 | kergoth | make sure they're semicolon seperated |
| 20:18.56 | kergoth | otherwise it wont like you |
| 20:19.37 | bipolar | gotcha |
| 20:19.50 | bipolar | I've switched libmikmod to pull from debian |
| 20:20.16 | schurig | bipolar: and, is debian really that much superior? |
| 20:20.31 | bipolar | schurig: debian is always up |
| 20:20.33 | bipolar | :) |
| 20:21.10 | ljp_laptop | must have viagra |
| 20:21.15 | schurig | so, was libmikmod in a CVS on sourceforge? = gambling game for IT guys |
| 20:21.21 | bipolar | plus they always build for arm anyway, so you get patches that make it work correctly. |
| 20:21.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:21.47 | ljp_laptop | I am really sick of all the viagra spam |
| 20:21.49 | bipolar | schurig: no, it was at mikmod.org, which is down for some reason. |
| 20:22.13 | schurig | bipolar: didn't knew that. I just got knowledge of the not-so-good aspects of debianitis. That they remove files quite often from the server ... and that some of their initscripts suck |
| 20:22.49 | kergoth | heh, most distros have at least some sucky init scripts, and the init scripts that packages come with themselves are usually worse :) |
| 20:23.01 | schurig | ljp_laptop: yeah, I guess than I put up a website for our first child (due on 23rd July) they probably grab the e-mail address and try to sell me viagra |
| 20:23.32 | schurig | bipolar: bit ot's good to know some good aspects as well :-) |
| 20:23.45 | schurig | kergoth: anything new in OE? |
| 20:24.05 | bipolar | kergoth: I just sent the patch to your inbox. |
| 20:24.15 | kergoth | schurig: nothing much, need to fix that _append/_prepend/_delete bug today, cause I'm running headlong into it. |
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| 20:24.29 | ljp_laptop | oh, scap limits size.. |
| 20:24.58 | schurig | kergoth: today I had lot's of fun with hardware people and the damn konqu package in OZ |
| 20:25.08 | kergoth | hehe. whats wrong with it? |
| 20:25.23 | schurig | it doesn't compile, what else ... |
| 20:25.27 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:25.47 | schurig | specifically, it won't make various *.moc files in konq-embed/src (forgot the path) |
| 20:25.54 | kergoth | "Someone" should fix the oeconf not supplying autoconf test results thing so we can move more things over |
| 20:25.56 | schurig | e.g. mainwindowbase.moc and some more |
| 20:26.05 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:26.11 | ljp_laptop | *cough* *someone* |
| 20:26.31 | schurig | bit the Makefile.am contained the konquerer_METASOURCES = AUTO line, so I dunno why it's borked |
| 20:26.37 | kergoth | and "someone" should finish the rootfs and image .oe files |
| 20:26.47 | schurig | kergoth: what do you mean with "supplying test results"? the cache file? |
| 20:26.58 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:27.17 | ljp_laptop | hmm kpacman doesnt really resize |
| 20:27.24 | kergoth | aka the reason dropbear and others dont build w/ oe atm :) |
| 20:27.24 | schurig | someone should write a gcc3 oe file that even works on Mdk |
| 20:27.43 | ljp_laptop | someone should send me a c7xxx |
| 20:27.48 | kergoth | you take a look at tgall's toolchain .oe files? |
| 20:27.50 | kergoth | that reminds me |
| 20:28.07 | kergoth | havfe you emailed bitmover about the permissions probs that interfere with adding/removing keys? |
| 20:28.10 | kergoth | i havent had time |
| 20:28.26 | kergoth | support@bitmover.com i'd think.. /me emails |
| 20:28.26 | schurig | kergoth: yeah, a quick look. I gave him a tip that one could make them processor agnostic by virtue of *_append stuff :-) |
| 20:28.37 | kergoth | ah nice :) |
| 20:28.47 | schurig | kergoth: I was successfully adding ljp's key to OE |
| 20:28.51 | schurig | and tgalls |
| 20:28.59 | kergoth | hmm, must only be affecting the oz repos, not oe's |
| 20:29.01 | kergoth | thats good |
| 20:29.12 | schurig | so, no, no problems. I just get some weird error message, but the key addition worked anyway |
| 20:29.21 | kergoth | hmm k |
| 20:29.38 | kergoth | too much to do, not enough time to do it in. |
| 20:31.16 | TCMAN | does upgrading kernel from aqpkg actually write new kernel to flash ? |
| 20:31.34 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.29 | schurig | TCMAN: cp /boot/<proper-zImage> /dev/mtdblock/<proper partition> |
| 20:32.45 | TCMAN | kergoth: so if i have oz 3.2 and upgraded hostap, and this upgraded also pcmcia-cs and kernel is my Z broken :) ? |
| 20:32.55 | kergoth | TCMAN: no |
| 20:33.06 | TCMAN | kergoth: well, see, reboot :) |
| 20:33.11 | kergoth | schurig: ran into an interesting issue earlier wrt QPEDIR and QTDIR using OE |
| 20:33.36 | schurig | and? |
| 20:33.54 | kergoth | schurig: if a developer wants to use oebuild within the upstream sources, they want qtdir and qpedir to be inherited from the env so that they can rely on the existing build environment |
| 20:34.39 | kergoth | schurig: but if you build qtopia/opie and qt, you'd want that version to override, but only when those are loaded |
| 20:34.39 | kergoth | not quite sure how to go about fixing it |
| 20:35.01 | schurig | that's no problem |
| 20:35.26 | schurig | if I want to have QTDIR from my already-existing qt, I'd put it into local.conf |
| 20:35.48 | schurig | but, when I later run the qt*.oe file, and this build successfully, it would do something like setvar QTDIR <blah> |
| 20:35.54 | schurig | and that would end up in auto.conf |
| 20:36.08 | schurig | which is loaded after local.conf, so it overrides my setting |
| 20:36.26 | kergoth | ah, guess its time to make setvar do something then |
| 20:36.29 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:36.34 | schurig | or, if auto.conf is reservered for some "make xconfig"-like tool, we simply use another config file |
| 20:36.57 | kergoth | its kind of the config equivalent of staging. the means by which packages touch one another |
| 20:38.38 | TCMAN | well, hostap is upgraded but i still cannot get associated with AP |
| 20:38.49 | treke | what card? |
| 20:39.05 | TCMAN | linksys wcf12 |
| 20:39.08 | treke | ha! |
| 20:39.11 | TCMAN | and dlink dcf650w |
| 20:39.15 | treke | TCMAN: downgrade to oz 3.2 |
| 20:39.33 | schurig | wff is "what the f.ck". But what's wcf? |
| 20:39.40 | schurig | s/wff/wtf/ |
| 20:39.40 | treke | schurig: wcf |
| 20:39.45 | TCMAN | treke: funny, I have oz 3.2, i just upgraded hostap modules |
| 20:39.49 | treke | schurig: Wireles compact Flash |
| 20:39.55 | treke | TCMAN: Dont use the oz 3.2 hostap :) |
| 20:40.04 | TCMAN | treke: the same cards work with hostap 0 0 3 on my notebook and associates properly |
| 20:40.25 | treke | TCMAN: that's fine. Apparently it doesnt on arm |
| 20:40.40 | TCMAN | treke: it does at my home |
| 20:40.45 | treke | at least now I know this isn't an ipaq specific problem |
| 20:40.56 | TCMAN | treke: it associates propely at home, doesnt at work |
| 20:41.07 | treke | what kind of access points? |
| 20:41.33 | TCMAN | treke: at home netgear ma311 pci card with hostap, at work some white thingy on the wall :) |
| 20:42.20 | treke | TCMAN: And OZ 3.2 worked at work? |
| 20:42.37 | TCMAN | treke: it worked in old place, we moved but APs look the same |
| 20:42.59 | treke | ineresting. I think we've established that linksys wcf12s suck :) |
| 20:43.09 | TCMAN | treke: funnily enough i can put the card into pcmcia converter and it works in notebook |
| 20:43.11 | treke | or at the very least, hostap does |
| 20:43.25 | TCMAN | treke: the same happens with dlink dcf650w |
| 20:43.33 | TCMAN | treke: and dlink always worked for me |
| 20:43.41 | treke | TCMAN: yup. |
| 20:43.55 | treke | TCMAN: fun aint it |
| 20:44.05 | TCMAN | treke: it just keeps logging to dmesg that association failed |
| 20:44.20 | TCMAN | treke: the encryption key seems ok |
| 20:44.56 | TCMAN | and it went to 2mbps bitrate even though AP is 5 feet from me |
| 20:45.35 | ljp_laptop | if I wanted to run opie as my desktop on a framebuffer, how would I stop the messages from reaching the screen? |
| 20:46.19 | kergoth | what messages? |
| 20:46.31 | schurig | kergoth: hmm, now trying a glibc 2.2.4 oe file, hopefully I'm not yet too tired |
| 20:46.57 | schurig | ljp_laptop: if you're talinkg about qDebug and qWarnign: io-redirection works |
| 20:47.01 | treke | TCMAN: I've been working on trying to get it working with very little luck |
| 20:47.02 | TCMAN | kergoth: linkstatus=6 association failed |
| 20:47.19 | TCMAN | :))) |
| 20:47.40 | treke | TCMAN: you also get TXAC errors? |
| 20:48.21 | TCMAN | treke: nope, nothing else in only assoc failed/bssid44444444444 lines in dmesg |
| 20:49.23 | TCMAN | too bad that hostap archive is not searchable :( |
| 20:50.05 | treke | at least back a couple months |
| 20:50.21 | masticator | wassup homeez |
| 20:50.45 | treke | I figure reading the last 6 months archives is good enough to not get bitched out for not reading the archives |
| 20:51.36 | TCMAN | i read it a while ago when I didnt have any problems :) |
| 20:55.26 | TCMAN | treke: the difference between laptop and z is CPU, kernel version and iwtools version |
| 20:56.38 | TCMAN | have to go to meeting, bye guys |
| 20:56.38 | treke | I wonder if iwtools could be the problem, I wouldnt think so, but maybe |
| 20:56.56 | kergoth | I've heard reports that certain versions of wireless-tools had a key parsing bug |
| 20:57.00 | kergoth | is this with or without wep? |
| 20:57.09 | treke | I'm using it without |
| 20:57.51 | treke | always seemed like it was more trouble than it was worth |
| 20:59.49 | treke | but first I want to get SD working |
| 21:00.04 | treke | these cards are funky. They have little read only switches on them |
| 21:03.27 | mickeyl | brb - rebooting |
| 21:13.18 | Twiun | andersee: just fyi - I haven't been doing any libFB dev for a week or so - been too busy with other things |
| 21:17.38 | andersee | Twiun: ok, no worries |
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| 21:20.56 | mickeyl | andersee: did you read the log? |
| 21:21.03 | mickeyl | 20 minutes ago |
| 21:21.08 | andersee | mickeyl: nope |
| 21:21.36 | mickeyl | andersee: i used your uclibc-makefile to create a 3.3 toolchain, but that uses binutils 2.13.2.1 which chokes on -march=armv4 |
| 21:21.38 | andersee | mickeyl: it scrolled past the end of my buffer seems |
| 21:21.48 | mickeyl | then i tried using binutils 2.14 but that doesn't compile |
| 21:22.03 | mickeyl | do you have a working 3.3 toolchain with binutils 2.14 somehow? |
| 21:22.27 | andersee | mickeyl: I had tried binutils 2.14, but reverted (since it didn't compile for non x86) |
| 21:22.34 | mickeyl | yes, that's what i found. |
| 21:24.13 | andersee | Perhaps it is time to try the binutils betas or just switch over to using, i.e. the debian binutils source |
| 21:24.40 | mickeyl | yeah. |
| 21:24.43 | kergoth | I used the debian binutils source for a while in our glibc toolchain builds, but then ran into that internal relocation not fixed up fun |
| 21:24.54 | kergoth | so i moved us to the cvs after pb fixed that |
| 21:24.58 | kergoth | and we've used that since |
| 21:24.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:32.55 | sl5500 | hello all, has any1 been able to build tinyx/glib/gtk with the current buildroot? I want to run a GTK2/glib2 app on the oz-buildroot and I thus far have been very unsuccessful |
| 21:33.39 | mickeyl | no idea. last time i tried, i couldn't get the tinyx sources from upstream |
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| 22:31.09 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 22:31.46 | chouimat | hi kergoth ... network is set but I can't connect via adsl yet :( |
| 22:31.51 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:32.17 | chouimat | kergoth: auth problem |
| 22:32.24 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 22:32.34 | kergoth | called them for assistance? |
| 22:33.20 | chouimat | kergoth: yup they are working on it ... will try again at 7h00pm ..... |
| 22:34.12 | chouimat | kergoth: but I have my static ip ;) |
| 22:34.20 | kergoth | cool |
| 22:35.03 | chouimat | kergoth: and I'm moving all my mail stuff here |
| 22:47.51 | mewyn | woah. this game is 224kHz |
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| 23:20.59 | treke | eeew bad svn bad |
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