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| 05:02.29 | treke|laptop | ibot oz buildroot |
| 05:02.30 | | from memory, oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
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| 07:29.45 | schurig | pb_: moin! |
| 07:30.15 | pb_ | hi schurig |
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| 09:45.04 | Twiun | hey |
| 09:52.40 | cmartin | hi Twiun |
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| 11:04.29 | cmartin | hi mickeyl |
| 11:23.09 | Twiun | ~lart recruitment consultants |
| 11:33.32 | kenb | heh |
| 11:33.34 | kenb | I love them. |
| 11:33.39 | kenb | I get pestered about one a week |
| 11:34.24 | kenb | And the page they refer to (my resume/about me page) states where I live, and that I'm not willing to relocate. Yet they ask about jobs in other countries. |
| 11:35.02 | schurig | mickeyl: hey! I can ssh into dropbear now to accounts without a pwd, I just have to press enter ... |
| 11:35.41 | schurig | that is, I still get queried for a pwd |
| 11:39.06 | Twiun | hahaha |
| 11:39.22 | Twiun | not exactly a desirable feature |
| 11:39.43 | Twiun | or are those accounts password-less intentionally? |
| 11:40.10 | mickeyl | schurig: hi! that didn't work for me - but then again I was using 2.95.4 which created a lot of problems. using 2.95.3 now again |
| 11:40.18 | mickeyl | hi cmartin |
| 11:40.32 | mickeyl | yo Twiun |
| 11:40.36 | mickeyl | what's up with your server? |
| 11:40.41 | mickeyl | finished? |
| 11:43.21 | Twiun | pretty much |
| 11:43.48 | Twiun | I'm living in imap & smtp over ssl bliss ;) |
| 11:44.10 | Twiun | and I never, ever want to have to mess with that nightmare again |
| 11:45.06 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 11:45.07 | pb_ | Twiun: heh. I was installing a new mail server over the weekend. |
| 11:47.27 | mickeyl | news: at last the death of zaurus in europe is offical. |
| 11:47.44 | Twiun | mickeyl: nooooooooo |
| 11:47.47 | mickeyl | yes |
| 11:48.36 | mickeyl | as there are a lot of europeans involved in OpenZaurus/OpenEmbedded/Opie or whatever I think we have to meet and see who is still confessed to it and who is not. |
| 11:58.06 | schurig | mickeyl: i put my patch into OZ |
| 11:58.46 | mickeyl | schurig: ok, thanks. didn't get a change to as I was into the "calibration-does-not-come-up-before-opie" bug on weekend |
| 11:58.46 | schurig | mickeyl: where did you get this news from? |
| 11:58.52 | mickeyl | http://www.zaurus.de/PDA-News/currentNews/news_20030707114809 |
| 11:59.40 | Twiun | oh well... I imagine Sharp UK will soon follow suit |
| 12:00.15 | mickeyl | most likely |
| 12:00.45 | mickeyl | question is: where do we stand now? |
| 12:02.00 | mickeyl | personally I will probably continue developing but dropping any sense of trying to be binary compatible with qtopia |
| 12:02.14 | mickeyl | OE is already trying to be hardware-agnostic. |
| 12:02.30 | mickeyl | so as long as _any_ vendor comes up with good linux PDA hardware, we are on the safe side ;) |
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| 12:04.10 | Twiun | mickeyl: well, I'm pretty device agnostic - my Z has hardly been touched over the past few weeks ;) |
| 12:04.37 | schurig | and my Z has hardly been touched over the past half year ;) |
| 12:04.41 | kenb | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.41 | kenb | By the continuous disconcertion of the markets and the restraint with the purchase behavior both at consumers and at industrial customers Sharp Electronics (Europe) sees for the moment no possibility of introducing new PDA products to the German market. |
| 12:05.05 | kenb | The product development of the parent company concentrates with the advancement of the Zaurus line on the Japanese market and its resources accordingly adapted. In Japan the successful concept with further models is continued. |
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| 12:05.16 | kenb | The Zaurus portals www.zaurus.de, business.zaurus.de and developer.zaurus.de are resumed for the time being to the provision of information. |
| 12:05.21 | kenb | The panels are closed, because no coworkers are available for the monitoring of the contributions. |
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| 12:06.55 | mickeyl | thanks for translating |
| 12:08.25 | Twiun | kenb: Yup, thanks :) |
| 12:09.05 | Twiun | mickeyl: about the server, I'm now looking into templated web engines for our corporate site |
| 12:09.57 | mickeyl | templated web engines... there are literally dozens. |
| 12:10.41 | Twiun | I'll narrow the list down: Apache+Tomcat |
| 12:10.49 | Twiun | or did that increase the scope? |
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| 12:11.30 | mickeyl | first thing would be like to decide on a programming language |
| 12:11.41 | mickeyl | which one of the three 'P' languages? |
| 12:11.49 | yeiazel | PYTHON |
| 12:12.39 | Twiun | P'who cares'... personally, I'd be more comfortable with Java, but Perl is acceptable - Python I've never tried |
| 12:14.16 | mickeyl | Zope (python-based) is said to be one of the best once you got into Python and DHTML |
| 12:14.31 | mickeyl | on the other hand there are dozens of small PHP-based ones |
| 12:14.43 | mickeyl | Java doesn't interest me personally, so I can't comment on that ;) |
| 12:15.45 | Twiun | how easy is zope to pick up? |
| 12:16.31 | mickeyl | well... lets say it is not the easiest to learn, but once you get used to it you realize pretty complicated things very quickly. |
| 12:17.05 | mickeyl | and given the integration of python (well... zope is written _in_ python), the possibilities to glue other things to it are endless |
| 12:19.40 | mickeyl | bbl - trying to boot into a new kernel *crossingFingers* |
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| 12:37.04 | sonix|lsudan | bonjour. |
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| 12:37.51 | sonix|sudan | i take it the C7x0 did not land in the USA? |
| 12:38.12 | mithro | land? |
| 12:38.50 | sonix|sudan | as in released |
| 12:41.07 | mithro | not as far as i know |
| 12:41.12 | mithro | but i'm in australia |
| 12:44.44 | cmartin | Twiun: if you have no problem PHP, I use Typo3 with no problems (it does take a while to get into the tamplate language - typo script though) |
| 12:44.57 | cmartin | Twiun: s/ with PHP |
| 12:46.37 | sonix|sudan | heh |
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| 12:49.39 | Twiun | cmartin: I'll take a look at typo3, thanks |
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| 12:52.35 | schurig | Twiun: some people think that typo3.org exceeds Zope when you just need a CMS |
| 12:52.46 | schurig | Zope isn't a CMS, it allows you to create a CMS on top of it |
| 12:53.21 | chouimat | morrning |
| 12:53.22 | schurig | it needs mysql (mandatory) and is written in php |
| 12:53.25 | lsmith | i wonder what the deal is with all these php folks creating their own script languages with php |
| 12:53.42 | lsmith | i allways thought easyness was the top selling factor for php |
| 12:54.12 | lsmith | schurig: i assume pretty soon they will support sqlite, since it will soon be bundled with php |
| 12:54.12 | chouimat | schurig: ? |
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| 12:56.33 | schurig | chouimat: moin! |
| 13:10.48 | cmartin | lsmith: there already is a sqlite module for php |
| 13:10.57 | lsmith | i know |
| 13:11.05 | lsmith | but soon sqlite itself will be bundled with php |
| 13:15.00 | schurig | lsmith: not sure if typo3+sqlite is a good option. sqlite is great if you have only a few writers and many readers, but worse on constant updates. This is becuase sqlite does not lock the whole database file on write ... |
| 13:15.11 | schurig | s/not lock/lock/ |
| 13:15.29 | lsmith | well it doesnt if you want decent performance |
| 13:15.34 | lsmith | of course its not perfect |
| 13:15.41 | schurig | so, if sqlite writes access statistics back into the database, you'll get a slow site |
| 13:15.42 | lsmith | but it will due if you dont have mysql available |
| 13:15.51 | lsmith | its definately a nice fallback solution |
| 13:16.06 | lsmith | s/due/do |
| 13:16.39 | lsmith | and its certainly beats all attempts at creating your own filebased persistance layers |
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| 13:34.51 | Piete | Hello |
| 13:35.46 | sonix|sudan | hi |
| 13:36.51 | Piete | I just found out city-wide 802.11b internet is only $15 per month :D |
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| 13:37.41 | sonix|sudan | where? |
| 13:37.43 | Twiun | I remember reading about far east countries having much better wifi mindshare |
| 13:37.43 | Piete | hey bipolar |
| 13:37.44 | chouimat | hi Piete bipolar |
| 13:37.49 | Piete | sonix|sudan: seoul |
| 13:38.02 | bipolar | hiya all |
| 13:38.17 | Piete | Twiun: I was pleasantly suprised to find that the wireless ISP |
| 13:38.24 | Piete | 's site is actualy in english now |
| 13:38.36 | chouimat | hi Twiun |
| 13:38.47 | Piete | bipolar: I need new CPU fans too.. my box is idling at 52C |
| 13:38.59 | bipolar | eek |
| 13:39.03 | Piete | its getting unstable now (as opposed to winter) |
| 13:39.28 | Piete | chouimat: sweet! |
| 13:39.31 | bipolar | Piete: My dual athlon rackmout web/mail server lost both cpu fans at the same time |
| 13:39.37 | Piete | chouimat: I've had my eye on one of those for a while :) |
| 13:39.50 | Piete | bipolar: o-u-c-h |
| 13:39.52 | bipolar | Piete: it was a manufaturing defect in the batch that they came from |
| 13:40.09 | bipolar | Piete: CPU's are fine, but my server is down until I get new fans |
| 13:40.17 | chouimat | Piete: I just sold my palm m125 with a project so I need another one and beside I'm doing more money with the palm than the zaurus :( |
| 13:40.22 | Piete | bipolar: I configured Ksensors to halt the machine if the CPU fan drops below 5000rpm |
| 13:41.06 | bipolar | Piete: yeah, I'll have to do that. Maybe send an email if they get down to 6000 so I know the bearings are wearing. |
| 13:41.06 | Piete | chouimat: isnt the m125 a little, odd? |
| 13:41.23 | Piete | chouimat: thats the one with the shiney plastic case,, and the fewer colors than on the box:) |
| 13:41.26 | Piete | right? |
| 13:41.47 | chouimat | Piete: the black and gray |
| 13:42.07 | Piete | bipolar: I downloaded a 21second sound of a Air-raid siren that sounds when its at 5500 :) |
| 13:42.09 | Piete | hehe |
| 13:42.23 | chouimat | Piete: look exaclty like the m130 but it's monochrome |
| 13:42.36 | Piete | chouimat: ohh- doh'! |
| 13:42.37 | bipolar | heh |
| 13:42.43 | Piete | sorry,, I wasnt in palm-land for a while :) |
| 13:42.57 | chouimat | Piete: np |
| 13:43.14 | Piete | I had a IIIc, but I sold it to a friend,,, who forgot it on the subway a week later.. :/ |
| 13:43.29 | Piete | it was prestine.. not a scratch, and it was almost 2 years old.. |
| 13:43.33 | chouimat | lol |
| 13:43.33 | Piete | *sigh* |
| 13:44.08 | Piete | say, isnt it about time for a status update on openzaurus.org? |
| 13:44.27 | chouimat | Piete: ask kergoth |
| 13:44.30 | chouimat | or noda |
| 13:44.43 | bipolar | I've got a Visor Edge here that needs a new charger.... I'm thinking about getting one just so i can play with it. |
| 13:45.14 | Piete | those treos look nice... too bad they don't work in korea :/ |
| 13:45.41 | Piete | GPRS looks cool too.. mobile internet on cellphones are very expensive over here |
| 13:45.51 | Piete | 802 is nice though :) |
| 13:46.04 | Piete | http://first.nespot.com |
| 13:46.17 | Piete | they don't list the flat-rate fees on the english portion though.. |
| 13:48.19 | Twiun | that's because english ppl are suckers |
| 13:48.28 | pb_ | ha |
| 13:49.06 | Piete | Twiun: I sent them a mail,, they said they didnt list it because most foreign people do not stay long enough in korea to get 1 year contracts |
| 13:49.09 | Twiun | pb_: we do pay consistently more than everyone else in most things ;) |
| 13:49.28 | Piete | 2) About Flat-Fee per Month |
| 13:49.28 | Piete | If you're going to stay longer here in Korea and have a fixed line phone number from KT, |
| 13:49.28 | Piete | we recommend you use our monthly charge , which costs you 15,000 won per month(without VAT). |
| 13:49.28 | Piete | There is another way you can use NESPOT. |
| 13:49.28 | Piete | If you already are a KT ADSL subscriber, you can pay additional 10,000 won per month to use NESPOT service at both home and our NESPOT zones. |
| 13:50.28 | Piete | (sorry for the multi-line post :/ ) |
| 13:51.23 | Twiun | np |
| 13:52.07 | Piete | 1USD = +- 1200 won |
| 13:53.07 | Twiun | that's pretty cheap |
| 13:54.31 | pb_ | Twiun: true enough :-/ |
| 13:55.19 | Piete | I just need a smaller CF 802.11b card.. this one is huge (its one of those old D-link 650Ws) |
| 13:57.08 | Piete | any recomendations? |
| 14:06.55 | cyn | the ambicom one looked small when i saw it at bestbuy |
| 14:07.07 | cyn | but if you already have a cf you might wanna save up and get a low power one, no? |
| 14:07.17 | Piete | yea |
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| 14:10.38 | masticator | you guys hear about Sharp Germany? |
| 14:10.40 | masticator | damn |
| 14:11.43 | Piete | what? |
| 14:11.58 | masticator | they killed the zaurus |
| 14:12.03 | Piete | :=0 |
| 14:12.13 | masticator | news was posted on hh.org list this morning |
| 14:12.43 | kenb | yea |
| 14:12.45 | masticator | From: handhelds-bounces@handhelds.org |
| 14:12.45 | masticator | [mailto:handhelds-bounces@handhelds.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Fels |
| 14:12.45 | masticator | Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 8:42 AM |
| 14:12.45 | masticator | To: opie@handhelds.org; handhelds@handhelds.org |
| 14:12.45 | masticator | Subject: [Handhelds] Final Zaurus notice |
| 14:12.46 | masticator | Just for your information as I felt to make it public: |
| 14:12.48 | masticator | I have just received a mail from the Zaurus product manager of Sharp |
| 14:12.49 | kenb | I posted translation earlier |
| 14:12.50 | masticator | Germany in which he regrets to inform us that the Zaurus history comes |
| 14:12.52 | masticator | to an end in Germany (and Europe as he told me in private). |
| 14:12.54 | masticator | This also includes support and PR activites for the device. |
| 14:12.56 | masticator | New devices will make their way to Japan only and maybe the US. |
| 14:12.58 | masticator | Sad new as we know it. |
| 14:13.00 | masticator | However the Opie team will continue to support the Z and there will |
| 14:13.02 | masticator | still be releases for the Z devices (depending on the availability of |
| 14:13.04 | masticator | newer devices for testing purposes, even the new ones). |
| 14:13.06 | masticator | We have several distributors at hand who will import the C700 and others |
| 14:13.08 | masticator | to Europe so from our side not much will change. |
| 14:13.10 | masticator | Feel free to comment on it and show your support by using OpenZaurus and |
| 14:13.12 | masticator | Opie. |
| 14:13.14 | masticator | Regards, |
| 14:13.15 | kenb | http://www.zaurus.de/PDA-News/currentNews/news_20030707114809 |
| 14:13.16 | masticator | Oliver |
| 14:13.19 | absentiaS | you can blame me for this |
| 14:13.27 | absentiaS | I always pick something, and then it gets EOLd |
| 14:13.40 | Piete | wow, and I thought my paste was bad :P |
| 14:13.41 | cyn | are you in .eu absen? |
| 14:14.12 | Piete | well, I had to import it anyway.. the Z is not on sale here in .kr |
| 14:14.33 | Piete | hehehe |
| 14:14.35 | absentiaS | not any more |
| 14:14.40 | absentiaS | <-- NYC |
| 14:15.05 | Piete | Just say NO to drugs, and perhaps you won't end up like the Hurd people. ---Linus Torvalds. |
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| 14:16.34 | Piete | heya TMM1 |
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| 14:18.25 | TheMasterMind1 | hi Piete |
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| 14:19.31 | Piete | later |
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| 14:26.24 | ljp_laptop | hi |
| 14:26.27 | ljp_laptop | * |
| 14:28.34 | mr_bubbs | I am trying to find an audio player for my Zaurus 5500 that is GUI-based and can seek through the stream played (at least MP3s and Oggs).. anyone know of anything? |
| 14:29.21 | ljp_laptop | maybe opie mediaplayer |
| 14:29.34 | ljp_laptop | the one based on xine I think can |
| 14:29.38 | mr_bubbs | okay, I'll try that out |
| 14:29.44 | mr_bubbs | thanks |
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| 14:37.05 | kergoth | mewyn: do me a favor and install the kerberos headers on zelda, cant compile anything that uses ssl w/o em since ssl.h pulls em in |
| 14:37.59 | cyn | I love how the vast majority of people call link "zelda" |
| 14:38.22 | kergoth | wasnt zelda the princess? |
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| 14:38.25 | cyn | yea |
| 14:38.31 | cyn | hell I slip into it all the time |
| 14:38.40 | cyn | but my x-roommates corrected me too often |
| 14:38.49 | cyn | "no zeldas the chick!" |
| 14:38.58 | cyn | .oO "chick? she's like 10 pixels." |
| 14:40.26 | absentiaS | I was gonna install exult |
| 14:40.35 | absentiaS | but it seems I ahve ultima 1-6 on cd (single) |
| 14:40.48 | absentiaS | and ultima 8 9 (x?) on cd |
| 14:40.51 | absentiaS | but not 7! |
| 14:41.47 | ljp_laptop | whats exult? |
| 14:42.07 | absentiaS | yet another zaurus app that doesn't work for me. |
| 14:42.12 | absentiaS | s/app/game/ |
| 14:42.59 | cyn | I didn't find I had much trouble getting apps to work, sometimes I had to specifically set them to not zoom - but I suppose I didn't try more than like 15 apps |
| 14:43.26 | absentiaS | hmmm.. haven't tried that. |
| 14:43.48 | cyn | I mean, c700s supposed to be compatible, or nearly so - it's only apps that use hacks and tricks to place/calculate positions that are in trouble |
| 14:44.22 | cyn | coz the c700 is actually a 480x640 display |
| 14:44.25 | absentiaS | ya, I just hate the fact that I bought the 700 for the 4x larger screen, and then I have to go back to monster pixels. |
| 14:44.46 | cyn | well, some apps it doesn't matter anyway |
| 14:44.47 | cyn | but yea |
| 14:45.06 | ljp_laptop | well written apps will work on any size display |
| 14:45.12 | cyn | still, between not doing it and doing it & looking like the other Zs - ill take the latter |
| 14:45.17 | absentiaS | of course, just trying playing nethack without enlarging the font |
| 14:45.23 | absentiaS | too bad it doesn't remember the font settings you select. |
| 14:45.33 | absentiaS | cyn: agreed. |
| 14:45.37 | cyn | i assume this is some sort of non-cli nethack version? |
| 14:45.38 | absentiaS | I figure... in time. |
| 14:45.46 | absentiaS | ya |
| 14:45.52 | cyn | well get the cli version |
| 14:45.58 | cyn | that's how it's supposed to be played! |
| 14:46.07 | absentiaS | true |
| 14:46.20 | absentiaS | actually, I think I just want to find ultima 7 somewhere. |
| 14:48.36 | treke|home | mornin kergoth |
| 14:52.33 | ljp_laptop | hmm, what does 'unsupported scheme' mean when trying to apply a patch? |
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| 14:54.29 | pb_ | sounds like you're trying to use a scheme that isn't supported. |
| 14:54.39 | kergoth | pb_: good call |
| 14:54.40 | kergoth | :) |
| 14:55.35 | ljp_laptop | hmmm, |
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| 14:57.46 | ljp_laptop | unsupported scheme, my ass... |
| 14:57.59 | treke|home | yes |
| 14:58.04 | treke|home | your ass is unsupported |
| 14:58.30 | pb_ | sounds dangerous. we wouldn't want ljp to keel over backwards. |
| 14:58.34 | ljp_laptop | no, I wear a gurdle |
| 14:58.51 | cmartin | hi mickeyl, just flashing a new image to my SIMpad |
| 14:58.56 | treke|home | pb_: fine. You can support his ass |
| 14:59.07 | ljp_laptop | girdle |
| 14:59.21 | mickeyl | cmartin: *crossingFingers* ;) |
| 14:59.44 | mickeyl | cmartin: should work fine after I fixed that calibration/clock bug |
| 14:59.57 | mickeyl | even if I got into an argument with harlekin over that ... grrr |
| 14:59.58 | cmartin | mickeyl: i hope so |
| 15:00.10 | schurig | mickeyl: did you find why the original calibraton (not mine) didn't work? |
| 15:00.32 | ljp_laptop | no, really. what does unsupported scheme really mean? |
| 15:00.38 | mickeyl | schurig: don't know if we're talking 'bout the same thing |
| 15:00.44 | ljp_laptop | patch runs fine manually |
| 15:00.48 | cmartin | mickeyl: why that - the calibration should come before the date app |
| 15:01.28 | bipolar | I hope that buildroot can make a good toolchain. |
| 15:02.05 | mickeyl | cmartin: yes... well... it's a bit complicated... but what gives. moving the date check from main.cpp to clockapplet was supposed to fix a bug. but I said the fix was br0ken and so... |
| 15:02.06 | ljp_laptop | buildroot can kiss my ass is what it can do |
| 15:02.19 | bipolar | ljp_laptop: hahaha |
| 15:03.22 | mickeyl | kergoth: there are two showstoppers before 3.2.5 can happen. 1.) can't get usb to work 2.) suspend takes around 10 seconds or so. I'm lost at those two bugs. Whenever you have time it would be nice if you could look into that... |
| 15:03.36 | kergoth | buildroot is pretty functional, but I think ass kissing is a little out of its league |
| 15:03.40 | cmartin | mickeyl: but still - why would the clockapplet be started before calibration? |
| 15:04.12 | mickeyl | cmartin: beacause the desktop (as well as the plugin-loader) is fired up in the _background_, then the calibration widget is shown on the top. |
| 15:04.18 | kergoth | mickeyl: 1) is an easy fix, I cleaned up the hotplug package and accidentally removed the usbd handler.. personally, I'd rather the kernel's usbd driver send the event into hotplug as a normal network event, so itd be handled normally |
| 15:04.36 | kergoth | mickeyl: so either 1) add a usbd wrapper hotplug script, or 2) make USBD in kernel push a network event, not usbd |
| 15:05.05 | kergoth | the suspend delay.. does it still occur if you chmod 000 opiealarm? |
| 15:05.17 | mickeyl | can try that later tonite |
| 15:05.31 | kergoth | k |
| 15:05.36 | mickeyl | could you take care of that? I'm pretty exhausted atm. |
| 15:05.41 | mickeyl | (the usbd stuff) |
| 15:05.42 | kergoth | also try without usbd-common installed |
| 15:05.47 | mickeyl | did that |
| 15:05.49 | kergoth | Yeah, i'll take care of the hotplug issue |
| 15:05.53 | mickeyl | ok, thanx |
| 15:06.17 | kergoth | all 3 of the z's at my house are paperweights atm, havent had time to bring them up, so dont have a handy test platform |
| 15:09.39 | kergoth | day="`date +%A`" |
| 15:09.39 | kergoth | [ "$day" != "Saturday" ] && echo $day sucks. |
| 15:09.44 | kergoth | fixed my .bashrc |
| 15:09.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:10.10 | ljp_laptop | hehe |
| 15:10.27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whats new |
| 15:10.33 | bipolar | kergoth: fix to kernel-headers has been emailed to you |
| 15:10.43 | kergoth | bipolar: its broken again? |
| 15:10.55 | bipolar | kergoth: it was still set to 2.4.18 |
| 15:11.14 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:11.38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: new? not a damn thing. bought some wireless headphones so i dont annoy my cube neighbors anymore |
| 15:11.41 | bipolar | kergoth: the patch just sets it to 2.4.21, no biggy |
| 15:11.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:12.01 | pb_ | kergoth: I'm sure you can find other ways to annoy your neighbours. |
| 15:13.39 | absentiaS | grrr |
| 15:13.52 | absentiaS | I can't remember enough of this..... kerberos ldap ... may have to start over. |
| 15:13.53 | absentiaS | again. |
| 15:14.40 | kergoth | pb_: yeah, it doesnt take much, really. people are easily annoyed/flustered. ;) |
| 15:15.09 | pb_ | heh |
| 15:18.25 | ljp_laptop | are they really big, huge, powerful headphones that if you crank it up, your neighbors can still hear it? |
| 15:18.44 | cyn | kergoth how do your wireless phones work - are they staticy - do you need to see an ir recieve/transmit or is it wireless |
| 15:18.45 | bipolar | kergoth: I'm trying to get buildroot to make new toolchains for me. I'm having the configure of libtool error out with "C compiler unable to create executables". Is this another problem with the default config.in? |
| 15:18.49 | cyn | s/wireless/radio/ |
| 15:19.05 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 15:19.19 | cyn | ljp_laptop: they need to sell headphones what when worn normally are pointed outward and are just speakers |
| 15:20.27 | kergoth | cyn: it uses radio frequencies, afaik the 900mhz range. There is a small amount of static very occasionally, but not most of the time. they have a number of frequences you can rotate between if something is interfering |
| 15:21.46 | ljp_laptop | thats be funny if you could hear your wifi |
| 15:22.01 | cyn | I was gunna get a pair but the one I had easy (read: lazy spurrious purchase) access to had this problem where if it went silent for like 1min it would be all loud and static-y until it got something transmitted again (low power mode or somethin it was goin into) |
| 15:22.07 | cyn | wifi's 2.4ghz |
| 15:22.34 | absentiaS | you know |
| 15:22.40 | pb_ | 900MHz is cellphones in europe, though I guess you US dudes are up at 1900MHz. |
| 15:22.56 | absentiaS | a really good way to listen to music is to get a pair of ear protection things (like for shooting ranges) |
| 15:22.59 | cyn | us uses 850/1900 you guys use 900/1800 iirc |
| 15:23.09 | absentiaS | and then pump up some 300+ watt speakers to like 11 (spinal tap variety) |
| 15:23.10 | kergoth | cyn: the pair i have here goes into low power after 3 minutes, so its not too bad |
| 15:23.22 | absentiaS | sit between'm ... 'bout 6 feet away. |
| 15:23.29 | cyn | yah i figure if i'm not listenin to something i'll put the headphones down by then |
| 15:23.35 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:23.58 | ljp_laptop | crazy europeans... |
| 15:26.06 | ljp_laptop | yay! lxt build works |
| 15:26.21 | ljp_laptop | hmm, next step... -> alsa |
| 15:26.37 | absentiaS | ya, we had wireless in ourr datacenter..... after 9/11 |
| 15:26.49 | ljp_laptop | ipaqs/familiar use alsa now correct? |
| 15:26.57 | absentiaS | everytime the phones rang, the entire IT staff lost connectivity. |
| 15:27.05 | ljp_laptop | heheheee |
| 15:27.26 | treke | ljp_laptop: correct |
| 15:27.37 | treke | ljp_laptop: ipaq/openembedded uses also also |
| 15:27.47 | ljp_laptop | would it be better to spilt up alsa into alsalib and alsadriver and such? |
| 15:28.15 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:28.29 | treke | ljp_laptop: You're free to add alsa to buildroot :p |
| 15:28.36 | treke | ljp_laptop: I dont use alsa libs |
| 15:28.41 | treke | ljp_laptop: or real alsadriver |
| 15:29.01 | ljp_laptop | I am planning on adding alsa |
| 15:29.22 | ljp_laptop | it would be cool if it worked for zaurus |
| 15:29.41 | ljp_laptop | but I am now a kernel dude |
| 15:29.52 | ljp_laptop | not |
| 15:29.55 | ljp_laptop | hee |
| 15:30.36 | absentiaS | hmmm |
| 15:30.53 | absentiaS | I need a unix program that can delete a folder in the exchange servers area for me |
| 15:31.10 | treke | evolution+connector |
| 15:31.13 | absentiaS | pc people just don't realize that they're digital slaves. |
| 15:31.14 | ljp_laptop | rmdir |
| 15:31.19 | absentiaS | ya. |
| 15:31.26 | absentiaS | I wonder if I could do it via imap... |
| 15:31.31 | treke | probably |
| 15:31.43 | absentiaS | the fucking work. |
| 15:31.54 | absentiaS | they force our web home page to be the corporate intranet |
| 15:32.05 | absentiaS | in mail, they put a folder \Infected in your area.... |
| 15:32.10 | absentiaS | and if you erase it, it comes back |
| 15:32.20 | ljp_laptop | has anyone added my sshkey to buildroot/bk? |
| 15:32.22 | absentiaS | little things annoy me so. |
| 15:33.42 | ljp_laptop | I need to redo qte makefile, though. |
| 15:34.35 | absentiaS | now the department secretary and the engineer to my left |
| 15:34.48 | absentiaS | are talking... secretary is talking in russian... to try to make it so I don't understand. |
| 15:35.07 | absentiaS | I told her that she just doesn't "get" computers. |
| 15:35.12 | absentiaS | so she's been pissed at me for a while. |
| 15:35.36 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
| 15:35.38 | absentiaS | she "loves" ms (but doesn't know anything else... and only knows a few apps) ... |
| 15:35.46 | absentiaS | now the department is talking about getting rid of MS all together. |
| 15:35.48 | absentiaS | heheh. |
| 15:35.56 | absentiaS | ms licensing strikes again. |
| 15:36.01 | ljp_laptop | well, there's different levels of 'get computers' |
| 15:36.16 | absentiaS | ljp: yes, exaclty. but I don't think she gets that either. |
| 15:36.40 | absentiaS | basically, I think... it's my opinion.. that people who think ms is good and is good for computing and computers... just don't get it. |
| 15:36.59 | ljp_laptop | I like win2k |
| 15:37.08 | ljp_laptop | its a good os |
| 15:37.16 | absentiaS | ya, I like it too... compared to 98, 95, 3.11wfw, etc. |
| 15:37.37 | absentiaS | I would like to have the *choice* not to be forced to pay $200 to ms every time I buy a pc.... |
| 15:37.39 | absentiaS | etc. |
| 15:37.45 | absentiaS | at work, we buy dells. |
| 15:37.53 | absentiaS | we get a license with the pcs... because ms forces that. |
| 15:37.56 | absentiaS | (no naked pcs, etc) |
| 15:38.00 | absentiaS | but the license isn't valid for us |
| 15:38.12 | absentiaS | so we have to buy another license, but we don't get upgrades, we just pay the fee |
| 15:38.21 | absentiaS | so we don't have to buy a completely whole new license in two years. |
| 15:38.27 | absentiaS | basically, it's extortion. |
| 15:39.46 | absentiaS | but everyone in business is so addicted to ms crack |
| 15:40.49 | absentiaS | one day I walk in.. my media player had a new version... could I just keep the one that I was using ... since I was just using it ti play mp3s.... nope. I was "forced" to upgrade, because the current one stopped working, yet, by upgrading, the license for my entire machine changes... |
| 15:40.53 | absentiaS | digital slavery. |
| 15:41.21 | ljp_laptop | you have choices |
| 15:41.42 | absentiaS | do i? |
| 15:41.46 | absentiaS | or, rather, do we? |
| 15:42.10 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: do the c700 patches need to be added to qte makefile for c700's? :D |
| 15:42.28 | ljp_laptop | yes. you can choose to quit working for them |
| 15:42.32 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: err? |
| 15:43.00 | ljp_laptop | theres c700 pacthes in packages/qte |
| 15:43.25 | ljp_laptop | they arent in the makefile at all |
| 15:43.38 | kergoth | oh, those are probably the patches that added c700 TS support directly, not using tslib |
| 15:44.03 | ljp_laptop | ok |
| 15:45.07 | ljp_laptop | warwick said he would like your tslib patches to qte, probably. he hasnt seen them yet though |
| 15:45.44 | ljp_laptop | as well as the keyboard one |
| 15:46.02 | ljp_laptop | for kernel keymap |
| 15:46.03 | kergoth | I'd like to clean them both up a bit, and add a couple minor things to the keyboard one, before I push them upstream |
| 15:46.20 | ljp_laptop | k |
| 15:47.22 | schurig | kergoth: i moved away from tslib for Qt. I had too many problems with the Qt-calibration that I could not solve. In the end I re-wrote the ts_calibrate in Qt and then it worked ... but then I was already away from tslib |
| 15:47.49 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 15:48.07 | kergoth | schurig: you mean you rewrote the opie calibrate tool? |
| 15:48.14 | kergoth | schurig: or the qtcalibratedmousehandler? |
| 15:48.39 | kergoth | you'll see semour, in the end its all nice. |
| 15:48.43 | schurig | kergoth: the first on, see opie/devel/qt-calibrate in Opie-HEAD |
| 15:48.51 | ljp_laptop | but warwick said they might add tslib themselves |
| 15:49.12 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: there really isnt much to it. |
| 15:49.28 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: there isnt much to inheriting the kernel keymap either, for that matter |
| 15:50.06 | kergoth | schurig: k |
| 15:51.56 | schurig | kergoth: it's still not totally 100% ok, when I rotate it, then the calibration is wrong. I've should have handle this ... and of course I use strings without tr() and so... |
| 15:52.22 | schurig | kergoth: but basically it's exactly the same algorithm as ts_calibrate uses and gives WAY better results for me |
| 15:52.30 | ljp_laptop | *gasp*! |
| 15:52.33 | ljp_laptop | no tr()? |
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| 15:52.52 | schurig | ljp_laptop: I just put it inot opie/devel for mickeyl to test |
| 15:53.01 | kergoth | schurig: nice, i always wanted to fix it, glad to see you did it :) |
| 15:53.04 | schurig | ljp_laptop: he had problems with the original calibrate as well |
| 15:53.59 | schurig | ljp_laptop: see, I cannot put my version of calibrate into opie/core/settings/calibrate without feedback from major platforms if it still works. And adding the remaining stuff is not that difficult |
| 15:54.22 | ljp_laptop | hehehe. I'm just kidding around |
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| 15:56.02 | bipolar | kergoth: when buildroot builds a toolchain, it should be using stdlib.h from your system, not somthing it downloads, right? |
| 15:56.46 | kergoth | first pass gcc doesnt use stdlib.h at all |
| 15:56.55 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:56.57 | bipolar | kergoth: right, that builds |
| 15:57.38 | kergoth | what doesnt? |
| 15:57.48 | bipolar | kergoth: the 2nd pass is erroring out |
| 15:57.55 | kergoth | 'erroring out' |
| 15:57.59 | bipolar | I'll get you the exact error.... |
| 15:58.09 | bipolar | ../../gcc/libgcc2.c:41: stdlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 15:58.10 | bipolar | ../../gcc/libgcc2.c:42: unistd.h: No such file or directory |
| 15:58.13 | kergoth | uhh |
| 15:58.14 | kergoth | dood |
| 15:58.18 | kergoth | 2nd pass builds *after* glibc |
| 15:58.18 | pb_ | looks like you forgot to install the C library. |
| 15:58.26 | bipolar | grrrr |
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| 15:58.28 | kergoth | indeed. you didnt enable glibc in your menuconfig |
| 15:58.28 | bipolar | hmmm |
| 15:58.32 | kergoth | 2nd pass needs glibc |
| 15:58.35 | kergoth | first pass doesnt |
| 15:59.33 | bipolar | I see. |
| 16:00.16 | ljp_laptop | there should be a def-configs/toolchain |
| 16:00.30 | bipolar | hmmm... the only C library in the menu is ulibc. Looks like the others need libtool |
| 16:00.52 | ljp_laptop | vera fonts dont like me when it comes time to make an image |
| 16:00.59 | kergoth | glibc doesnt depend on libtool |
| 16:01.04 | kergoth | read the config.in |
| 16:01.22 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: remove one of them |
| 16:01.28 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: its a multiple provides problem |
| 16:01.39 | bipolar | doh! Thats glib... heh |
| 16:01.46 | kergoth | need to make the new image builder a bit more intelligent wrt that |
| 16:01.56 | ljp_laptop | I make only one, and it says it cant find the one thats there |
| 16:02.22 | ljp_laptop | yep, autdep |
| 16:02.28 | ljp_laptop | autodep |
| 16:03.09 | ljp_laptop | does ifdef... else... endif |
| 16:03.14 | ljp_laptop | works in makefiles? |
| 16:03.36 | kergoth | heh, look around |
| 16:03.43 | kergoth | we only use it in nearly every buildroot makefile |
| 16:04.19 | bipolar | ok, I just manualy told it to build glibc |
| 16:04.38 | ljp_laptop | what? you want me to do my own research? geezz |
| 16:05.21 | kergoth | heh, the image builder could generate a dependency digraph for the target deps as well as for build, and find the mjultiple provide cases itself, but thats pretty redundant given ipkg is doing that as well |
| 16:14.02 | Twiun | wasn't ipkg slated for an overhaul? |
| 16:14.22 | Twiun | could get it to use externally provided info for this |
| 16:15.12 | kergoth | even better, we're planning on making a seperate library for dependency handling |
| 16:16.54 | Twiun | so ipkgNG would become just a shell which uses that lib? |
| 16:18.49 | kergoth | well, ipkgNG would be a wrapper around the ipkg library |
| 16:18.57 | kergoth | which would, among other things, make use of the deps lib |
| 16:19.27 | bipolar | kergoth: is the toolchain in offical/toolchain the recomened one still? Is there a recomended gcc3 toolchain? |
| 16:20.08 | kergoth | bipolar: the only gcc3 chains upstream are old, feel free to build one |
| 16:20.26 | bipolar | ok... |
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| 16:35.48 | beattie | is there an online Programmers Ref Man for the StrongARM, that discusses the whole instruction set? |
| 16:39.01 | beattie | a pdf maybe? |
| 16:39.09 | kergoth | yes, on intel's site |
| 16:39.18 | kergoth | the strongarm developers manual. pretty decent document |
| 16:39.23 | kergoth | i have it printed out .. somewhere |
| 16:39.28 | beattie | do you hae a URL, I looked and could not find it |
| 16:39.43 | kergoth | not offhand |
| 16:39.44 | pb_ | it might have been removed, or shunted to some area for end-of-life products, by now. |
| 16:39.49 | kergoth | intel's site is a damn maze |
| 16:39.51 | beattie | waht I found did not seem to cover the Instructionset |
| 16:40.12 | pb_ | for the basic instruction set, the definitive reference (inasmuch as one exists) is the ARM ARM book. |
| 16:40.14 | kergoth | the instruction set will be in the arm arm |
| 16:40.15 | kergoth | right |
| 16:40.15 | kergoth | brb |
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| 16:57.50 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 16:58.01 | mickeyl | hi |
| 16:58.03 | beattie | pb_ do you know if that doc is online? |
| 16:59.24 | kergoth | beattie: there's a link to it somewhere, it was posted to lak at one point |
| 16:59.26 | kergoth | ibot: arm arm |
| 16:59.26 | | kergoth: I give up, what is it? |
| 16:59.30 | kergoth | ah well |
| 17:00.49 | kergoth | hey Neo|Work |
| 17:01.24 | Neo|Work | so, anyone checked out snails or dragon bane II yet? :) |
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| 17:10.03 | mickeyl | killefiz: now after the official death of the zaurus in europe, how 'bout opening killefiz.de/zaurus and adding a "compatible with" section re. SIMpad, iPAQ and C7x0 ? |
| 17:10.17 | mickeyl | making it more model agnostic |
| 17:10.56 | Neo|Work | it's officially killed in Europe? |
| 17:11.02 | mickeyl | yes. |
| 17:11.06 | yeiazel | yea |
| 17:11.11 | Neo|Work | Now the question is, is US next ? |
| 17:11.22 | Neo|Work | or did that already happen? :-) |
| 17:11.25 | mickeyl | sharp germany made the first press release, others may follow. US is undecided afaik |
| 17:11.30 | kergoth | zsi should become qsi, s/zaurus/qtopia/ |
| 17:11.46 | kergoth | or isi, for ipk |
| 17:11.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:12.05 | killefiz | mickeyl: yes - i'm still undecided if zsi development should happen based on zsi2 or zsi |
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| 17:12.25 | mickeyl | killefiz: what's the main difference? |
| 17:12.32 | Neo|Work | mickeyl: '2' |
| 17:12.45 | kergoth | yay for string comparison |
| 17:12.45 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 17:13.38 | mickeyl | i like the zsi look. don't like zsi2 - the colors and the looks seems... err... unprofessional ;) |
| 17:13.44 | killefiz | zsi2 is a rewrite done by shayde - it's based on one of shaydes php libraries and i don't (yet) feel comfortable using that lib because it seems to make things harder (at least for me) |
| 17:14.08 | killefiz | mickeyl: what about this: http://killefiz.de/zsi2/ |
| 17:14.15 | kergoth | well if zsi2 is sane, you can probably just drop in a new css |
| 17:14.23 | mickeyl | better :) |
| 17:14.47 | killefiz | kergoth: zsi1 is not sane - zsi2 is (probably) |
| 17:14.48 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
| 17:15.09 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 17:15.12 | killefiz | but why make it qsi? That leaves out x-software |
| 17:15.13 | kergoth | get your internet sorted out? |
| 17:15.20 | chouimat | kergoth: tomorrow |
| 17:15.25 | kergoth | killefiz: then isi. its basically a repository of ipks, eh? |
| 17:15.35 | mickeyl | I vote for something like ESI or PSI |
| 17:15.40 | mickeyl | PSI is funny imho |
| 17:15.44 | mickeyl | PDA Software Index |
| 17:15.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:15.55 | mickeyl | with psi-capabilities lol |
| 17:16.16 | kergoth | hmm, i'm liking 2.5.74-mm1. |
| 17:16.20 | killefiz | stupid sharp - i liked ZSI |
| 17:16.23 | kergoth | acpi actually works on this laptop finally |
| 17:17.23 | kergoth | I'd like to see zsi work in concert with ipkgfind, the ipkg feed viewer. either add feed handling to zsi, or add the ability to add seperate files to ipkgfind, or something |
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| 17:17.40 | kergoth | I'd like the ability to rank packages as well |
| 17:17.43 | kergoth | re tux_mike |
| 17:18.40 | chouimat | ~lart prc-tools |
| 17:18.59 | mickeyl | kergoth: mm-1 ? |
| 17:19.12 | tux_mike | hey kergoth |
| 17:20.18 | kergoth | mickeyl: yeah, akpm's patch. includes con's O(1) work (the same con as the -ck patchsets for 2.4) |
| 17:20.29 | ljp_laptop | is oe gpl? |
| 17:20.35 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: yep |
| 17:20.36 | mickeyl | kergoth: where from? |
| 17:20.47 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: had to be, we started from portage's code |
| 17:20.52 | kergoth | mickeyl: people/akpm on kernel.org |
| 17:21.07 | mickeyl | kergoth: good. I'll try that. need to use a smp-kernel though |
| 17:21.31 | kergoth | hm, wonder if vmware 4 will build for 2.5 using kbuild yet |
| 17:21.35 | kergoth | should try |
| 17:21.36 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:27.10 | kergoth | k |
| 17:27.44 | ljp_laptop | hmmm.. it's hot in the sun |
| 17:27.53 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: profound. |
| 17:28.07 | ljp_laptop | :) this lapto gets hot too |
| 17:32.10 | chouimat | ok bbl |
| 17:32.19 | Neo|Work | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1188 <- go fetch! |
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| 17:33.52 | Twiun | hey andersee |
| 17:34.43 | andersee | Twiun: morning |
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| 17:39.07 | mickeyl | re cmartin |
| 17:39.30 | mickeyl | cmartin: good news please! the day has been covered with bad news until now... |
| 17:40.10 | cmartin | hi mickeyl |
| 17:40.43 | cmartin | yes pretty bad the news about the Zaurus being discontinued in Germany |
| 17:41.15 | cmartin | my image worked though - maybe that picks up your mood a little ;) |
| 17:41.24 | mickeyl | yeah ;) |
| 17:41.45 | cmartin | one problem though - my CF card is not recognised anymore |
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| 17:41.52 | Neo|Work | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1189 <-- Dragon Bane II |
| 17:42.25 | mickeyl | cmartin: check if you have the filesystem modules - maybe i missed them in the recent config |
| 17:42.31 | cmartin | seems to be a devfs prob - /dev/hda isn't even created - cardmon recognises it as New ATA Fixed Disk which is correct |
| 17:42.48 | cmartin | that could be it too - i'll check |
| 17:42.53 | kergoth | you do realize we dont use devfsd, right? |
| 17:42.54 | mickeyl | k |
| 17:42.57 | kergoth | any links you need, you need to create |
| 17:43.29 | cmartin | well, in HEAD it worked up till a couple og weeks ago |
| 17:43.34 | kergoth | k |
| 17:43.51 | cmartin | but if course HEAD or BRANCH has nothing to do with that |
| 17:43.51 | mickeyl | kergoth: since opie has nothing to do with it, maybe the new hotplug is the problem here also |
| 17:44.11 | cmartin | new hotplug?? |
| 17:44.15 | mickeyl | cmartin: try downgrading hotplug |
| 17:44.19 | kergoth | cmartin: yes, much newer version of hotplug |
| 17:44.35 | kergoth | includes a number of changes greg kh and others made |
| 17:44.39 | kergoth | makes it more extensible |
| 17:44.46 | cmartin | mickeyl: so i could take the one from our current feed to try it |
| 17:45.17 | Twiun | mickeyl: mind you, without Z's being sold in germany, they should become much cheaper on ebay |
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| 17:45.29 | Twiun | mickeyl: and things like the simpad should get a bigger market share |
| 17:45.53 | killefiz | Twiun: the simpad is no longer produced/sold either |
| 17:45.59 | mickeyl | cmartin: yep |
| 17:45.59 | cmartin | Twiun: why this - SIMpad is not manufactured anymore |
| 17:46.30 | mickeyl | maybe the folks who produce the skeye.pad see this as a chance to get into the embedded linux webpad market |
| 17:46.33 | Twiun | cmartin: it's not? argh. |
| 17:46.34 | mickeyl | but i doubt it... |
| 17:46.40 | mickeyl | it's WAY overprized |
| 17:46.49 | Twiun | and here I thought i such things had a future |
| 17:47.07 | mickeyl | Twiun: they have... it just needs a hardware manufacturer with a clue |
| 17:47.23 | cmartin | mickeyl: yes, and they don't seem to answer mails offering to help get linux on the device either |
| 17:47.49 | mickeyl | cmartin: typical elite company behaviour... |
| 17:48.06 | kergoth | thats just idiocy. you should *support* the hacker/poweruser contingent |
| 17:48.09 | Twiun | mickeyl: you and me both |
| 17:48.31 | kergoth | it improves the name, and we all know how powerful word of mouth is |
| 17:48.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:48.47 | mickeyl | Twiun: that's why I probably will stay in academic & research... |
| 17:48.51 | kergoth | I swear half these idiot companies have never even studied business. its a crock. |
| 17:49.04 | mickeyl | yep. but those are the decision makers and noone questions them |
| 17:49.26 | kergoth | management.. remember to check your common sense at the door |
| 17:49.54 | Twiun | mickeyl: don't the overinflated egos get in the way? |
| 17:49.55 | beattie | it's all about next Q's numbers to hell with the next 5 years |
| 17:50.23 | kergoth | beattie: indeed. no foresight, and they dont care to gain any |
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| 17:51.15 | mickeyl | hi drw|work |
| 17:51.23 | cmartin | Twiun: what downtime are you talking about - typo3 is online for me |
| 17:51.52 | drw|work | hey mickeyl |
| 17:52.22 | Twiun | cmartin: must be routing problems them |
| 17:52.36 | Twiun | cmartin: I can't connect to typo3.org |
| 17:52.54 | cmartin | Twiun: no problem here |
| 17:53.54 | Twiun | cmartin: typo3.org is hosted in .de it seems |
| 17:53.59 | ljp_laptop | you guys rustled any cows yet? how about cow tipping? |
| 17:54.21 | ljp_laptop | gotta do some cow tipping |
| 17:54.23 | Neo|Work | hmm, how fast/slow is a simpad, considering the highish resolution? |
| 17:54.43 | killefiz | Neo|Work: way too slow for any of your games |
| 17:54.47 | drw|work | ljp_laptop: nah, not yet |
| 17:54.53 | cmartin | kergoth: and that's why i swore never to hire in to a share-holding company - i got sick of all this quarterly decision-making |
| 17:55.20 | Neo|Work | killefiz: well, my games don't run in 800x600 anyway so that's hardly a problem. :P |
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| 18:02.42 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 18:04.52 | cmartin | bbl |
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| 18:47.02 | absentiaS | The speaker defended the quick fall of Saddam's regime during the U.S.-led invasion in March and April, saying it was a necessary retreat. |
| 18:47.04 | absentiaS | rofl |
| 18:47.34 | treke | it was a necessary retreat :) |
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| 19:18.27 | ljp_laptop | bleh |
| 19:18.31 | kergoth | bleh |
| 19:20.05 | ljp_laptop | is oe ready for packages ? |
| 19:20.18 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: any packages but autoconf ones, yeah |
| 19:20.27 | kergoth | I need to finish teaching oeconf to supply target test results in the config.cache |
| 19:20.34 | kergoth | tmake/qmake based packages work fine |
| 19:21.39 | ljp_laptop | heheh, well. that leaves out just about everything linux |
| 19:22.34 | ljp_laptop | you should teach it to use qmake instead of auto* crap on those |
| 19:22.53 | ljp_laptop | auto* killer |
| 19:28.52 | bipolar | has anyone used gcc3.3 to build? |
| 19:30.19 | Dr_Who | personally I'd stay away from it ... there are still some issues |
| 19:30.32 | Dr_Who | but that's me with my ppc glasses on |
| 19:32.26 | bipolar | ahh |
| 19:32.46 | bipolar | is 3.3 concidered a stable gcc release? Or is it a development release? |
| 19:33.19 | tronical | it's considered a stable release (although it has a couple of nasty bugs) |
| 19:33.20 | Dr_Who | I believe they are trying to get it stable so they can go on to 3.4 |
| 19:34.28 | Twiun | re |
| 19:34.33 | bipolar | hi Twiun |
| 19:35.08 | Twiun | cmartin|away: good news, I can get to typo3 again - definately a routing issue with UK<->DE |
| 19:35.52 | cmartin | Twiun: good |
| 19:36.47 | cmartin | kergoth: i downgraded my hotplug, but that didn't do the job stting up the /dev/hda when inserting the CF card |
| 19:37.17 | cmartin | kergoth: have any idea what else has changed in the month, that could have broken this? |
| 19:37.27 | cmartin | s/ last month |
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| 20:06.13 | ociocio | treke: any idea when a 39xx image will be availiable? |
| 20:08.05 | bipolar | shit.... |
| 20:08.06 | bipolar | ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/arm/sigaction.c: In function `__libc_sigaction': |
| 20:08.06 | bipolar | ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/arm/sigaction.c:100: error: asm-specifier for variable `_a1' conflicts with asm clobber list |
| 20:08.06 | bipolar | ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/arm/sigaction.c:139: error: asm-specifier for variable `_a1' conflicts with asm clobber list |
| 20:08.21 | bipolar | trying to build gcc3.3 |
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| 20:14.40 | tronical | bipolar: that's a glibc 'bug' . it's safe to remove a1 from the list as iirc m is already on the list |
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| 20:17.45 | bipolar | tronical: cool. Where do I do that? |
| 20:18.19 | tronical | bipolar: in the asm expression |
| 20:19.09 | bipolar | tronical: I'm sorry, but I have no idea where or what that is. Please edge-uh-kate me. |
| 20:19.41 | tronical | bipolar: can you paste the expression? |
| 20:20.01 | bipolar | tronical: It's long gone on my terminal history, sorry. |
| 20:20.43 | tronical | bipolar: sigaction.c makes use of a macro (some syscall one iirc) that is defined in some other file. the asm expression in that file is the one that needs a change (and that I need to see to be able to say what to change :) |
| 20:22.33 | bipolar | tronical: ok, so it's a patch to gcc? |
| 20:22.38 | bipolar | or glibc? |
| 20:22.52 | tronical | bipolar: glibc |
| 20:23.05 | bipolar | ahhh.... ok. |
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| 20:31.30 | mickeyl | cmartin: use the bitkeeper repository to look the changes up and find potential candidates. |
| 20:31.46 | mickeyl | cmartin: openzaurus.bkbits.net --> changesets in the last four weeks |
| 20:46.54 | cmartin | mickeyl: found the problem - ide-modules were missing ;) |
| 20:47.08 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:47.10 | mickeyl | good. that's a relief. |
| 20:47.50 | cmartin | mickeyl: should this be installed per default or better on demand |
| 20:48.02 | mickeyl | ide modules must be installed per default |
| 20:48.22 | cmartin | mickeyl: maybe for those without network it would be good to install packages |
| 20:48.23 | mickeyl | because if someone doesn't has wireless access or network access that's the only reason to add additional software via CF |
| 20:49.44 | mickeyl | ide-modules added. anything else left out? |
| 20:49.58 | cmartin | mickeyl: now the only thing i noticed off hand is the noise in the speaker that is pretty annoying |
| 20:50.27 | mickeyl | cmartin: this is due to a bug deep in opie. no time for that. maybe you can look? |
| 20:50.43 | chouimat | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-cvs&m=105761041432632&w=2 |
| 20:50.45 | mickeyl | or rather qt/embedded's sound handling. i bet they left a record channel open |
| 20:51.06 | cmartin | shouldn't we just deactivate sound in the meantime? |
| 20:52.30 | kergoth | mickeyl: check the sound stuff in ODevice? the touch/key/alarm sounds |
| 20:53.36 | mickeyl | kergoth: i checked that - it hasn't to do with that. It sounds like the qws_sound has a bug where a record channel is left with maximum volume and that gives feedback problems. and IMHO also the mcp timeout problems. |
| 20:53.56 | mickeyl | this definitly needs further investigation... |
| 20:54.01 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:54.58 | mickeyl | ? |
| 20:55.00 | treke | ociocio: No clue. When I get a chacne |
| 20:55.50 | mickeyl | cmartin: build the kernel with CONFIG_MCP_UCB1200_AUDIO=m |
| 20:56.17 | cmartin | mickeyl: speaking of legality - do know what licensing issues are involved with opera |
| 20:56.19 | cmartin | ? |
| 20:56.32 | mickeyl | cmartin: well... other than it's illegal to run it on your simpad.. ? |
| 20:56.35 | cmartin | mickeyl: what would thet change |
| 20:56.45 | cmartin | s/that |
| 20:57.02 | mickeyl | cmartin: sound built as a module and thus unavailable without modprobing it. |
| 20:57.28 | cmartin | ;) - ok, then i better take off the opera Screenies on the HP |
| 20:57.40 | mickeyl | cmartin: yes this would be better. |
| 20:57.58 | ljp_laptop | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=4748&hl=&s=71eb7bdba20124ae30a0e985f137c0d8 |
| 20:58.22 | mickeyl | ha! |
| 20:58.24 | cmartin | what about those opera extracting scripts |
| 20:58.24 | mickeyl | this is cool |
| 20:59.13 | mickeyl | cmartin: they are pretty legal, since they only operate on a zaurus and all zaurus owners have a license for opera. but it starts to be illegal if the .ipk is distributed for usage on ipaq, simpad or wtf. |
| 20:59.14 | ljp_laptop | now we just need Natalie Portman themes for opie/qtopia |
| 21:00.13 | cmartin | what do you mean they only operate on the Z - I could download the ROM and extract it on my linux PC |
| 21:00.35 | mickeyl | err... well... yeah |
| 21:00.40 | mickeyl | cmartin: i want to switch to gcc3 for the 0.9.x series of open simpad anway ... all 2.95.x packages no longer work there. |
| 21:00.42 | kergoth | its a script, the user is responsible |
| 21:00.49 | kergoth | if we distributed the ipks, it'd be questionable |
| 21:01.23 | cmartin | mickeyl: ? |
| 21:01.35 | mickeyl | new compiler |
| 21:01.38 | mickeyl | gcc3 |
| 21:02.00 | mickeyl | BIC : binary incompatible with gcc 2.9x |
| 21:02.02 | cmartin | yes, i understand - but do you mean the crosscompiler? |
| 21:02.08 | mickeyl | ah yes of course |
| 21:02.26 | kergoth | Future OZ's will use gcc3 for the base system regardless of what gets used for qt/e+opie |
| 21:02.47 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: ? |
| 21:02.52 | mickeyl | but qte and opie will also benefit from gcc3 |
| 21:03.05 | kergoth | well of course, we'll have an image w/ gcc2 qt+opie and an image with gcc3 |
| 21:03.06 | cmartin | so i could download and use gcc3 crosscompiler without problems? |
| 21:03.19 | kergoth | cmartin: we build gcc3 zaurus images now.. i think bipolar has a semirecent one up |
| 21:03.23 | kergoth | cmartin: so yes |
| 21:03.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:03.54 | mickeyl | sure - my point was only that opera won't run on such images... which means new popularity for KonQ/E |
| 21:03.56 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 21:03.59 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:04.09 | kergoth | but konq/e sucks as is |
| 21:04.12 | kergoth | gotta get a qt3 one |
| 21:04.13 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:04.16 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:04.17 | bipolar | kergoth: it does? |
| 21:04.17 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 21:04.18 | cmartin | well, since we're still at the beginning on the simpad we wouldn't need to maintain two images |
| 21:04.50 | kergoth | cmartin: simpad doesnt have to worry about compatibility with sharp, so its a relatively minor concern |
| 21:04.51 | mickeyl | cmartin: right. we also have the luxury to not having to depend on compatibility with official roms. *dancesAround* |
| 21:04.57 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:05.00 | mickeyl | lol |
| 21:05.30 | bipolar | unfortunetly, my web server is down due to fan failures. So my gcc3 image and feed is down. :( |
| 21:05.40 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:06.04 | cmartin | will konq/e ever support java applets? - i get this question sometimes for want-to-be users |
| 21:06.27 | kergoth | well i guess thatd depend on getting a VM w/ qtopia/opie support, wouldnt it? |
| 21:06.30 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:06.36 | kergoth | thats a question for Twiun, the resident java guru |
| 21:06.43 | mickeyl | right. and that is not in sight iirc |
| 21:07.31 | cmartin | does the kaffe package have an applet viewer? |
| 21:07.58 | mickeyl | kaffee is console only afaik |
| 21:08.18 | mickeyl | rumours has, there is a qt binding, but i have yet to see that in action |
| 21:08.27 | cmartin | so it's only for developing java on the device |
| 21:12.17 | cmartin | one of the users in the forum is having problems booting our image - he gets a "crc error" while uncompressing the kernel at boot - any ideas? |
| 21:14.13 | beattie | does anybody have a url for the Arm reference manual "arm arm"? |
| 21:16.09 | mickeyl | crc error does not look good |
| 21:16.33 | mickeyl | that sounds like a hardware failure for me or he had a crc error while downloading from the webserver |
| 21:16.46 | ljp_laptop | http://www.mnementh.co.uk/docs/ |
| 21:16.52 | mickeyl | answer: he should redownload and maybe we should supply a md5 for checking |
| 21:19.24 | cmartin | mickeyl: md5sum was correct - we checked that |
| 21:19.50 | cmartin | i will add md5sums to the downloads of the next images |
| 21:20.01 | mickeyl | cmartin: okay - then it sounds just like a hardware failure. flash roms or cpu |
| 21:20.22 | mickeyl | cmartin: oh and btw. please remind me changing the preconfigured feed address in ipkg.conf for the next official image |
| 21:20.25 | ljp_laptop | beattie: see that link? |
| 21:21.09 | cmartin | what can cause crc error - AFAIK it happens when the decompressor come across bad data while decompressing the kernel - are there other causes? |
| 21:21.59 | ljp_laptop | I had a crc error once after I ate bad mexican food |
| 21:22.14 | cmartin | mickeyl: no problem, but if you forget i will change it in output/rootfs before building the images ;) |
| 21:22.49 | mickeyl | hehe... good |
| 21:23.32 | mickeyl | cmartin: oh and another thing. we should support a default qpe.conf which has Vera 12 as standard font size (as opposed to 10 which is too tiny on SIMpad), don't you think? |
| 21:23.47 | kergoth | doesnt it already do that based on screensize? |
| 21:23.53 | cmartin | yes |
| 21:23.57 | cmartin | kergoth: no |
| 21:23.58 | mickeyl | kergoth: no. the default font is hardcoded to be 10pt |
| 21:24.30 | mickeyl | but that would be like a pretty minor change in opie |
| 21:24.37 | kergoth | its not in opie, the default font and font size is in qt/e |
| 21:24.57 | kergoth | and it does adjust based on screensize, but i dont recall the specifics |
| 21:25.04 | cmartin | mickeyl: wouldn't it be possible to make the default window them "flat", since this is the inly one that doesn't show the widget bug on the simpad? |
| 21:25.16 | mickeyl | cmartin: sure. that would also be in qpe.conf |
| 21:25.23 | mickeyl | kergoth: than opie overrides that. |
| 21:25.30 | mickeyl | then even |
| 21:25.48 | kergoth | mickeyl: uh, where? |
| 21:25.56 | ljp_laptop | hmm, Queensland is having a jobs boom |
| 21:25.59 | kergoth | I think not. the plan was to move it into ODevice |
| 21:26.07 | mickeyl | kergoth: no idea offhand, but i remember to have seen it somewhere in the launcher or so |
| 21:26.09 | kergoth | per discussions between harlekin and myself when i switched us to Vera |
| 21:27.30 | kergoth | the desktop Info class hardcodes it |
| 21:27.36 | kergoth | but thats only the paint event for Info |
| 21:27.41 | kergoth | not the general window decorations |
| 21:27.54 | mickeyl | check library/qpeapplication.cpp |
| 21:28.19 | mickeyl | the hardcoded stuff is there |
| 21:28.23 | mickeyl | in the constructor |
| 21:28.25 | chouimat | kergoth: I can hear or read the wword event for a while :) |
| 21:28.27 | mickeyl | needs patching for the SIMpad |
| 21:28.31 | kergoth | uh |
| 21:28.35 | ljp_laptop | does oe handle gzip'd patches? |
| 21:28.39 | kergoth | it only hardcodes if Opie::Force_Font is true |
| 21:28.41 | kergoth | is it? |
| 21:28.57 | mickeyl | no idea - where did you read that force_font ? |
| 21:28.59 | cmartin | mickeyl: would a PCMCIA VGA card work under opie? - i noticed they have a patched XServer for it at HH |
| 21:29.03 | kergoth | mickeyl: in qpeapplication |
| 21:30.08 | kergoth | oh, thats for appearance forcing |
| 21:30.26 | kergoth | which wont be set in the general case. |
| 21:30.35 | mickeyl | look @ the constructor. |
| 21:30.42 | mickeyl | it is overrided there unconditionally |
| 21:30.49 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.50 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.50 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.50 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.54 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:30.58 | kergoth | based on screen width |
| 21:31.03 | kergoth | which is what i said what 10 minutes ago? |
| 21:31.09 | kergoth | i feel like i'm talking to a wall here |
| 21:31.16 | cmartin | mickeyl: what i mean is, would it be possible to output the screen to an extra video card? |
| 21:31.16 | kergoth | if the screen width is greater than 600 its 16 |
| 21:31.22 | mickeyl | yeah yeah |
| 21:31.26 | mickeyl | i spotted it |
| 21:31.39 | mickeyl | hehe, i commented that part out because it did crap to the icons on simpad |
| 21:31.57 | mickeyl | icon-size on simpad is pretty much ok on default, so the c700 hack was not necessary |
| 21:32.06 | mickeyl | but font-size i have to change |
| 21:32.33 | mickeyl | cmartin: video card? maybe. the standard CFVGA cards may work if they provide linux drivers |
| 21:32.35 | kergoth | like i said, default font and font size is highly bound to the display characteristics and belongs in odevice |
| 21:32.41 | kergoth | "Someone" should move it over |
| 21:32.43 | kergoth | ;) |
| 21:32.50 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:32.53 | mickeyl | mr "someone" is a busy guy |
| 21:33.14 | cmartin | i can get the ibm vga card that HH has a driver for |
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| 21:33.46 | mickeyl | cmartin: please remind me adapting qpeapplication.cpp for the next release. i tend to forget things... i'm getting older |
| 21:34.00 | mickeyl | i once had a PIM for that stuff |
| 21:34.01 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:34.09 | mickeyl | oh... all bricked atm. |
| 21:34.13 | kergoth | using the pda as a pda |
| 21:34.15 | kergoth | what a concept |
| 21:34.17 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:34.22 | mickeyl | never :) |
| 21:34.25 | cmartin | ok - cmartin now starting a list of TODOs for mickeyl |
| 21:34.39 | mickeyl | aw... maybe not a that good idea ;)) |
| 21:35.05 | mickeyl | better keep it in the OzTodo wiki |
| 21:35.28 | _Psycho | ask ibot for it :) |
| 21:35.31 | mickeyl | http://www.openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/OzTODO |
| 21:35.37 | mewyn | kergoth: a memory upgrade for zelda is on it's way |
| 21:35.39 | mickeyl | ibot: OzTODO |
| 21:35.40 | | mickeyl: no idea |
| 21:35.42 | mewyn | i'm sick of paging |
| 21:35.45 | mickeyl | :)) |
| 21:35.45 | cmartin | mickeyl: was just a joke ;) |
| 21:35.50 | mickeyl | puuh. |
| 21:35.51 | mickeyl | :) |
| 21:35.54 | _Psycho | ibot oz todo |
| 21:35.59 | | from memory, oz todo is http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/OzTODO |
| 21:36.02 | _Psycho | ! |
| 21:36.09 | mickeyl | hats off to you :D |
| 21:36.29 | _Psycho | thanks you, thanks you |
| 21:37.17 | mickeyl | OzTODO adapted. |
| 21:37.28 | cmartin | sorry, was a hp vga card not ibm |
| 21:37.46 | mickeyl | cmartin: i know of at least two vga cards reported to work with ipaq and zaurus. |
| 21:37.56 | kergoth | ibot: OzTODO is <reply> oz todo |
| 21:37.57 | | kergoth: okay |
| 21:37.58 | kergoth | ibot: OzTODO |
| 21:37.59 | | oz todo |
| 21:38.03 | kergoth | bah |
| 21:38.11 | kergoth | ibot: no, OzTODO is <reply> see oz todo |
| 21:38.12 | | okay, kergoth |
| 21:38.14 | kergoth | ibot: OzTODO |
| 21:38.14 | | i heard oz todo is http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/OzTODO |
| 21:39.50 | andersee | kergoth: btw, looking at your todo list... |
| 21:39.59 | andersee | kergoth: "# |
| 21:39.59 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.20 | mickeyl | Twiun already did a bag of work on that |
| 21:40.30 | andersee | kergoth: considered instead having the bootloader display the logo and then delay framebuffer initialization |
| 21:40.37 | kergoth | indeed. did he ever look at Bootsplash? |
| 21:40.50 | mickeyl | kergoth: he and i did and we found the patch much to intrusive |
| 21:41.03 | mickeyl | to be much too intrusive even |
| 21:41.29 | kergoth | andersee: thought about it, but getting a progress indicator also gives us a means of adapting our init to show what applications are being started, etc in a very graphical fashion |
| 21:41.46 | kergoth | andersee: so someone hacking on libfb can kill two birds with one stone |
| 21:41.47 | kergoth | brb |
| 21:41.48 | cmartin | mickeyl: look here - http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpaqHardwareCompatibilityVGA - which ones do you mean? i'm talking about the first one |
| 21:42.03 | mickeyl | andersee: this is only one part - the second is that we want to have a graphical bootmenu based on libFB |
| 21:42.15 | kergoth | bootmenu is already underway |
| 21:42.26 | andersee | ahh |
| 21:42.28 | kergoth | jordan aka cosmicpenguin is working on a plugin based gui spawn architecture |
| 21:42.28 | mickeyl | cmartin: neither |
| 21:42.42 | andersee | kergoth: btw, the todo list needs nethack. |
| 21:42.44 | andersee | :-) |
| 21:42.54 | kergoth | andersee: its a wiki.. hint hint |
| 21:42.57 | kergoth | k brb |
| 21:42.58 | mickeyl | cmartin: one is the recommended c7x0 vga card by sharp. check sharp's c7x0 site to see the name and vendor |
| 21:43.14 | mickeyl | cmartin: the other one was mentioned on the openzaurus-users list some day. can't remember the vendor here either |
| 21:43.37 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: you have time to add my ssh key to oz? ;D |
| 21:44.40 | cmartin | mickeyl: BTW my image with dropbear instead of ssh leaves 18,5 MB free flash on my SL4 |
| 21:45.52 | kergoth | as tim pointed out earlier, we need something like dropbear for the ssh client |
| 21:46.13 | mickeyl | cmartin: good. did you get a chance to look @ simpad-opie-minimal_image |
| 21:46.22 | mickeyl | yes |
| 21:46.31 | mickeyl | does scp work with dropbear? |
| 21:46.38 | cmartin | not yet, will do that tomorrow |
| 21:47.18 | kergoth | doesnt scp just spawn a scp instance on the server side? |
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| 21:48.01 | cmartin | that's what i thought too, but somebody here said that wasn't so with dropbear?? |
| 21:48.57 | andersee | btw, has kpackman been fixed to actually save high scores? |
| 21:49.12 | cmartin | gotta go - will take a look at opie-minimal_image for the simpad tomorrow |
| 21:49.25 | cmartin | by |
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| 21:50.17 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: permissions problem on the server, need to email bitmover |
| 21:51.24 | ljp_laptop | oh. ok. thought that may be fixed |
| 21:51.58 | ljp_laptop | I'll go back to trying to figure out oe |
| 21:53.36 | kergoth | I need to write up some new docs |
| 21:54.33 | ljp_laptop | maybe a short tutorial on adding a package |
| 21:56.46 | andersee | kergoth: added |
| 21:58.43 | andersee | kergoth: I emailed the author of dropbear re getting a client |
| 21:58.53 | andersee | (while sending some patches) |
| 21:59.00 | andersee | this is what he said: |
| 21:59.03 | andersee | Glad you've found Dropbear useful. With regard to a client, I've considered |
| 21:59.03 | andersee | it, though it would require a fair amount of refactoring to make the code |
| 21:59.04 | andersee | work for a client as well as a server (even though various parts are |
| 21:59.04 | andersee | symmetrical). A Busybox-style combined binary could be feasible though, I |
| 21:59.04 | andersee | might look at it eventually. There is the issue of added bloat for people |
| 21:59.06 | andersee | who want just a server (or a client) as well. Alternatively, I've looked |
| 21:59.09 | andersee | briefly at the PuTTY unix plink client (for compatibility testing), and it |
| 21:59.11 | andersee | could be useful as a small ssh client (unsure about with uClibc). |
| 21:59.48 | treke | so, urm, what is dropbear? |
| 22:00.34 | pb_ | a small ssh server. |
| 22:00.40 | treke | ah |
| 22:02.10 | pb_ | http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html |
| 22:02.55 | andersee | treke: more specifically, a small ssh server that doesn't need openssl (which is Freaking Huge(tm)) |
| 22:03.16 | treke | very cool deal |
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| 22:06.44 | Neo|Work | interesting |
| 22:06.47 | Neo|Work | there's also lsh |
| 22:06.57 | Neo|Work | it's an ssh2 server also not dependent on openssl |
| 22:07.50 | pb_ | lsh is reputed to suck, though I haven't tried it myself. |
| 22:08.18 | Neo|Work | couldn't comment on that since I really don't use it |
| 22:08.21 | Neo|Work | know the author though |
| 22:08.35 | pb_ | otoh, lsh does seem to provide a client, and even a sucky one would be better than nothing. |
| 22:09.31 | Neo|Work | yes, it's both client and server |
| 22:10.10 | pb_ | certainly worth a look. |
| 22:10.39 | andersee | apt-get install lsh-client |
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| 22:28.30 | kergoth | ibot: seen icefox |
| 22:28.31 | | icefox <~ben@ool-4351483a.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 6d 5h 27m 34s ago, saying: 'and what % of that is redhat funded'. |
| 22:28.52 | kergoth | wonder if he ever got anywhere with 5600 images |
| 22:31.25 | ljp_laptop | is there a specific way to make a 5000d image? |
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| 22:32.20 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: you just build an image with the appropriate mem= and mtdram size |
| 22:32.24 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: thats all there is to it |
| 22:33.36 | ljp_laptop | ok |
| 22:34.16 | ljp_laptop | does it know of the image is too big for the flash? |
| 22:34.26 | ljp_laptop | per device |
| 22:34.36 | ljp_laptop | as is, some kind of check |
| 22:34.40 | ljp_laptop | as in, even |
| 22:34.51 | kergoth | I dont think we store a per device max image size atm |
| 22:34.57 | kergoth | we should though. |
| 22:35.20 | ljp_laptop | something for oe, then :) |
| 22:35.25 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:35.38 | kergoth | I started thinking about how the image creation tool will work |
| 22:35.46 | kergoth | going to implement it as just another .oe file |
| 22:36.29 | ljp_laptop | whats the flash size of c700? |
| 22:36.52 | kergoth | there are two 32mb partitions |
| 22:36.55 | kergoth | the first is what gets 'flashed' |
| 22:37.30 | ljp_laptop | ok, thx |
| 22:37.35 | kergoth | np |
| 22:37.49 | ljp_laptop | that means I gotta lotta room still ;) |
| 22:38.16 | kergoth | there'll be a rootfs-1.0.oe for root filesystem population, then image_jffs2, image_cramfs, etc which depend on it |
| 22:43.03 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 22:45.11 | ljp_laptop | bbl |
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| 23:04.32 | slowhog | kergoth: Haven't seen you in Zynot-dev, not interested any more? :) |
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| 23:30.08 | treke | http://www.dsitri.de/php/projects/project.php?project=mySTEP |
| 23:30.24 | treke | bleh |
| 23:30.25 | treke | its X |
| 23:44.07 | beattie | in trying to get the serial console working in 2.4.18 if I add "cflag |= B9600;" the kernel will not boot, I'm assuming a wild pointer is the most likely culprit. Anybody have any suggestions. |