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| 04:29.14 | tgall | evening gents |
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| 05:22.57 | Dr_Who | greets treke|home |
| 05:23.43 | treke|home | Dr_Who: DocWhat? |
| 05:24.06 | Dr_Who | <-- aka tgall |
| 05:24.12 | treke|home | oh |
| 05:24.19 | treke|home | ibot, seen DocWhat? |
| 05:24.19 | | docwhat <docwhat@204.42.16.60> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 89d 5h 33m 8s ago, saying: 'I'm outta here.'. |
| 05:24.59 | Dr_Who | 89 days .... that's pretty much MIA ... call missing persions |
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| 06:31.27 | noidd | hehe - and he said "i'm outta here@ |
| 06:31.32 | noidd | wonder if he meant that long :-) |
| 06:31.55 | Dr_Who | heh |
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| 06:32.02 | Dr_Who | never know! |
| 06:32.16 | noidd | heya treke |
| 06:32.23 | treke|laptop | hey |
| 06:32.28 | noidd | hows things? |
| 06:32.35 | treke|laptop | not bad |
| 06:32.40 | treke|laptop | very very busy |
| 06:32.43 | noidd | cool |
| 06:32.49 | noidd | not as busy as me i'll bet :-) |
| 06:33.05 | treke|laptop | noidd: who knows |
| 06:33.22 | noidd | well, i'm emmigrating today |
| 06:33.27 | treke|laptop | cool |
| 06:33.32 | noidd | and i've not finished clearing the house i'm moving out of |
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| 06:33.47 | noidd | so, the house is clearing itself while I sit on irc |
| 06:34.07 | Dr_Who | now that's super powers |
| 06:37.35 | noidd | change i made last night causes it to fail |
| 06:37.40 | noidd | must fix it before kergoth notices :-) |
| 06:37.55 | treke|laptop | you have 7 hours |
| 06:38.04 | treke|laptop | well actually you probably have a week or two |
| 06:38.13 | noidd | fucking socat |
| 06:38.19 | noidd | they remove the old version |
| 06:38.24 | noidd | from the ftp site |
| 06:38.28 | noidd | then the new version |
| 06:38.34 | noidd | doesn't patch |
| 06:38.39 | Dr_Who | kergoth on vacation or something? |
| 06:38.43 | treke|laptop | Dr_Who: no |
| 06:38.54 | noidd | haiku |
| 06:39.00 | treke|laptop | Dr_Who: Its a weeekend. He has no internet access at home |
| 06:39.05 | Dr_Who | yeha I know |
| 06:39.30 | Dr_Who | but it's only about 7 hrs to normal business hours here in CST land |
| 06:39.51 | treke|laptop | Dr_Who: Which is where he is. Hence the "you have 7 hours" |
| 06:39.56 | noidd | if my plane has laptop power, i'll have a pressie for the OZ project when i land |
| 06:40.01 | noidd | and it will be very shiny |
| 06:40.09 | Dr_Who | well you said something about having probably a week or two ... thus I started to wonder! |
| 06:40.31 | Dr_Who | hmmm shiny ... that sounds like a good gift |
| 06:40.31 | treke|laptop | He doesnt mess with the old buildsystem much lately |
| 06:40.42 | noidd | yeah |
| 06:40.53 | noidd | basically something that will gr0k buildroot |
| 06:40.55 | Dr_Who | and that's exactly what I cant wait for kergoth to get in |
| 06:41.00 | noidd | copy all the source files down |
| 06:41.02 | Dr_Who | s/what/why |
| 06:41.10 | noidd | check they're still reachable |
| 06:41.28 | noidd | so we end up finding out automatically if source files disapear |
| 06:41.41 | treke|laptop | noidd: honestly, I wouldnt bother |
| 06:41.44 | noidd | plus, it will let us know if i newer version of code appears on their ftp site |
| 06:41.59 | noidd | treke: it'll work on oe too |
| 06:42.02 | Dr_Who | well when it comes to sources that you're dependant on ... ummm why not mirror it? |
| 06:42.09 | treke|laptop | noidd: oe already does that |
| 06:42.11 | noidd | just change the "grep" statement ;-) |
| 06:42.33 | noidd | can you do an oebuild rsync? :-) |
| 06:42.48 | Dr_Who | heh ... now you're talking! |
| 06:42.58 | treke|laptop | noidd: Dunno. ask kergoth |
| 06:43.24 | noidd | damn, there was I sthinking i'd come up with some uber master plan - a fresh new idea |
| 06:43.31 | noidd | spawned by satan (gnu.org) |
| 06:43.46 | noidd | I can't believe what shits they were :-P |
| 06:43.46 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 06:44.09 | Dr_Who | heh |
| 06:44.17 | noidd | you can't use links - you must provide ALL the sources yourself |
| 06:44.27 | noidd | cool, so now OZ has to mirror gnu.org |
| 06:44.37 | treke|laptop | no biggy |
| 06:45.13 | noidd | just a complete waste of time so some guy at gnu.org gets some metal-masturbation |
| 06:45.13 | treke|laptop | I already do source backups semi regularly |
| 06:45.18 | Dr_Who | well the portions that you're interested in |
| 06:45.29 | noidd | yeah - but its the publishing thats the pita |
| 06:45.37 | treke|laptop | how is it a pita |
| 06:45.39 | treke|laptop | hyperlink |
| 06:45.41 | noidd | although I s'pose we could just plonk up a fully populated buildroot |
| 06:45.53 | treke|laptop | it doesnt have to be easy for them to find |
| 06:45.53 | noidd | and then put up sources/ |
| 06:46.02 | Dr_Who | yeah or fallback to a "known" good location |
| 06:46.18 | noidd | Dr_Who: you can't do that. You have to host it *yourself* |
| 06:46.21 | noidd | they claim |
| 06:46.23 | treke|laptop | no |
| 06:46.27 | Dr_Who | huh? |
| 06:46.32 | noidd | although personally I think they're full of shit |
| 06:46.34 | treke|laptop | you have to host it someplace where you have an agreement that it will remain |
| 06:46.46 | treke|laptop | you cant link someplace where it may just disappear |
| 06:46.55 | noidd | ie, some place you have control |
| 06:46.58 | noidd | ie, yourself |
| 06:47.19 | treke|laptop | but once again, this isnt a big problem for oe |
| 06:47.24 | Dr_Who | I'm getting confused.... are we talking abou tthe terms of the GPL or what it takes for gnu to allow a mirror or something else? |
| 06:47.53 | noidd | there was a thread on /. last week where some arse claimed that OZ violated the GPL and didn't provide sources |
| 06:48.07 | Dr_Who | ha |
| 06:48.09 | noidd | gnu.org ended up wading in - making themselves feel important |
| 06:48.35 | noidd | oz currently provides links to all sources |
| 06:48.40 | Dr_Who | well if you provide only binaries ... and not the source ... then yes that's a problem ... otherwise no |
| 06:49.00 | noidd | we provide the entire buildsystem, compile environment and LINKS to all sources |
| 06:49.09 | Dr_Who | exactly |
| 06:49.11 | treke|laptop | links that no longer exist |
| 06:49.19 | noidd | ie, why download 100megs of X sources and apps if you're not gonna use em |
| 06:49.22 | Dr_Who | and that's what I was getting onto |
| 06:49.37 | noidd | treke: possibly |
| 06:49.42 | treke|laptop | noidd: Not possibly |
| 06:49.45 | treke|laptop | noidd: Definitly |
| 06:49.55 | Dr_Who | have one place that has it all ... that you can fail back to in the off chance the main site moves or removes something |
| 06:50.07 | noidd | they've never heard of google or archie obviously |
| 06:50.46 | noidd | the inference was ugly |
| 06:51.06 | treke|laptop | eh. |
| 06:56.13 | treke|laptop | oh well. Kergoth just needs to write mirroring code and things will be taken care of. Until then it's a matter of doing things by hand |
| 07:01.58 | Dr_Who | heh ... at the rate I'm going ... I'nm going to have ppc building/running in the new oe environment before arm/xcale |
| 07:11.24 | noidd | haha |
| 07:11.29 | noidd | that would be very cool |
| 07:13.36 | schurig | I could give the contents of m $(OZDIR)/sources directory to anybody :-) |
| 07:13.36 | Dr_Who | well don't hold your breth |
| 07:14.06 | noidd | yeah |
| 07:14.17 | Dr_Who | sigh ... you know you've been up too long when the error messages you're reading aren't in any way saying that you think they are |
| 07:14.18 | noidd | prol;ly easiest just to rsync ourt sources directory to a webserver |
| 07:14.24 | schurig | Dr_Who: hmm, your PPC stuff in OE would give it the needed thrust maybe :-) I'll probably start using OE for packages next month |
| 07:14.53 | Dr_Who | schurig: I'm rather stoked to get this stuff up on running on an artic II board |
| 07:15.12 | schurig | Dr_Who: please help my limited english: what's "stoked"? |
| 07:15.14 | Dr_Who | I've pretty much got a complete toolchain building out of oe... |
| 07:15.19 | Dr_Who | stoked == excited |
| 07:15.37 | schurig | Dr_Who: so, you've a PPC toolchain for OE? Fine! |
| 07:15.49 | Dr_Who | yup |
| 07:17.42 | schurig | Dr_Who: now you just need: libc6 tinylogin sysvinit libncurses5 util-linux-mount ipkg modutils ifupdown netbase and oe-base to get it booting |
| 07:17.53 | schurig | But I guess you've got libc6 already |
| 07:18.06 | schurig | as part of the toolchain |
| 07:19.00 | Dr_Who | true ... but I'll rebuild glibc for user space as apposed to tool space |
| 07:19.36 | schurig | Dr_Who: you'r PPC-toolchain *.oe ... is it in the packages OE-packages? |
| 07:19.46 | Dr_Who | yes it's in OE packages |
| 07:19.56 | Dr_Who | using the new oe build system |
| 07:20.13 | Dr_Who | tho I have some questions for kergoth about somethings to make sure I'm doing it the "right way" |
| 07:20.46 | schurig | currently he knows more than for. For some months, I was the sole developer of the buildroot, right now he is |
| 07:21.43 | Dr_Who | yes ... actually about this time last year I was using the old build system to target a ppc box |
| 07:22.00 | Dr_Who | it was a fairly fun project |
| 07:22.49 | Dr_Who | I'm quite glad I have an SMP box for this builds ... |
| 07:26.30 | Dr_Who | hmmm that reminds me .... I should hard code my toolchain so it always generated code with no floating point instructions |
| 07:26.41 | Dr_Who | s/generated/generates/ |
| 07:27.53 | schurig | Dr_Who: I don't, but I have ccache |
| 07:28.29 | schurig | and if it really is necessary, I could utilize some hosts to help me using distcc |
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| 09:04.29 | Twiun | mornin' all |
| 09:04.44 | schurig | moin! |
| 09:06.29 | Twiun | Gutten haben? |
| 09:06.39 | Twiun | or is it morgen? |
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| 09:15.00 | schurig | Twiun: it would be "Guten Morgen" morgen=morning |
| 09:18.31 | Twiun | Guten Morgen it is then ;) |
| 09:19.13 | pb_ | heh |
| 09:19.15 | pb_ | hi Twiun |
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| 09:30.22 | schurig | Twiun: yeah. German and English have many similarities, we both have been partitially conquerer by Romans, so we share roman foreign words. And some saxonians (a germanic tribe) and some some angles (a northern germanic tribe) conquered at various times the british islands, so your language has also some germanic roots, as our language has, too |
| 09:31.24 | schurig | good=guten (the 'u' in german sounds like your 'oo', those words sound quite similar) |
| 09:33.04 | Twiun | yep - except I'm french so english in this case is also a foreign language :) |
| 09:37.08 | schurig | na, we don't have much in common with the french language, just some words that we use since Napoleons days |
| 09:38.06 | schurig | Champignons, Champagner, Trottoir, Etui, Portemonaie etc |
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| 10:38.04 | Twiun | hey mithro |
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| 10:47.57 | _ibz | hi |
| 10:48.09 | Twiun | hey _ibz |
| 10:48.29 | _ibz | hey Twiun, how you doing? howz the libFB stuff? |
| 10:49.52 | Twiun | been too busy to code over the weekend - but I should be able to get some work done on thursday |
| 10:49.56 | _ibz | anyone got usbnet working with kernel 2.4.21? i have it working with 2.4.21-pre2, but not 2.4.21 stable. |
| 10:50.33 | _ibz | Twiun: i thought "busy == code" ;) |
| 10:53.28 | mithro | hey Twiun |
| 10:58.42 | Twiun | _ibz: busy == diy|climbing|hiking|interviews|etc ;) |
| 11:03.16 | Twiun | or atm, setting up a new server |
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| 14:40.50 | treke|home | morning kergoth |
| 14:48.16 | kergoth | morning |
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| 15:12.20 | treke | please tell me it's still a weekend |
| 15:14.04 | ljp_laptop | sorry. its not |
| 15:14.21 | treke | damn |
| 15:14.44 | pb_ | phew. I'd have been kind of gutted if it was. |
| 15:17.24 | ljp_laptop | you can pretend its a weekend by starting drinking when you wake up |
| 15:17.34 | treke | not a bad idea |
| 15:24.37 | kergoth | i've been in texas for what, over a month, and still dont know where a liquor store is |
| 15:24.40 | kergoth | how odd :) |
| 15:25.15 | treke | I'm going to kill the person who put "Open all links in new tab" right next to "open link in new tab" |
| 15:25.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:26.04 | treke | the page only had what, 5000 links on it |
| 15:26.16 | pb_ | hah |
| 15:28.10 | noidd | hey kergoth |
| 15:28.15 | kergoth | hi noidd |
| 15:28.17 | noidd | #I have a crateof liquor here |
| 15:28.25 | noidd | and its all going to go undrunk! |
| 15:28.39 | kergoth | what a waste |
| 15:28.40 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:28.41 | treke | noidd: Hurry and and finish it before the flight |
| 15:28.45 | noidd | hehe |
| 15:28.51 | noidd | yeah - 20 bottles of spirits |
| 15:28.52 | noidd | hic |
| 15:29.04 | noidd | kergoth: I have broken buildroot, I must comfess ;-) |
| 15:29.09 | cmartin | hey kergoth |
| 15:29.29 | kergoth | noidd: well cut it out |
| 15:29.36 | cmartin | did you and mickeyl get the menuconfig problem fixed? |
| 15:29.44 | noidd | it was broken already |
| 15:29.56 | noidd | basically debian removed the version we were using |
| 15:29.58 | kergoth | i sure as hell didnt, not without hvaing internet at home |
| 15:30.03 | kergoth | oh, that happens all the time |
| 15:30.05 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 15:30.10 | noidd | I upped the version numbers to the available version |
| 15:30.15 | noidd | and the new version doesn't patch |
| 15:30.27 | noidd | not sure what to do about it |
| 15:30.33 | noidd | since we dont acually maintain the patches |
| 15:31.25 | noidd | btw, I came up with a "good idea" oif something I can write while on the plane |
| 15:31.36 | noidd | but someone told me oe does it already so trhere is no point |
| 15:31.47 | kergoth | yeah, dont waste your energy on the old systme |
| 15:31.51 | kergoth | I'm not |
| 15:31.55 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:31.58 | noidd | it would work on both systems |
| 15:32.22 | kergoth | what is it? |
| 15:32.35 | noidd | its just a process that runs on a server regularly that checks that all links in the buildsystem are still valid |
| 15:32.49 | noidd | check the directory to see if newer versions have been released |
| 15:33.05 | noidd | so we end up finding this out before other people tell us that |
| 15:33.23 | noidd | also, if you want a volenteer to hold the sources snapshot for gnu reasons - just shout |
| 15:33.42 | noidd | i'm happy to do that for you - save you some work |
| 15:34.33 | noidd | hehe |
| 15:35.04 | kergoth | just create a .oe that adds a 'check_links' task to the oebuild task stack |
| 15:35.37 | noidd | thats far to pragmatic :-P |
| 15:35.41 | kergoth | then you could oebuild check_links content/glibc-2.3.1.oe |
| 15:36.03 | noidd | it also means I have to learn python |
| 15:36.06 | noidd | :-/ |
| 15:36.06 | kergoth | then extending that to an entire build, you just add a function to oemake or oebuild to call it on every .loe in OEFILES |
| 15:36.10 | kergoth | s/loe/oe/ |
| 15:36.13 | kergoth | you can use shell |
| 15:36.16 | kergoth | or python |
| 15:36.20 | kergoth | in a function in the oe system |
| 15:36.22 | kergoth | take your pick |
| 15:37.33 | noidd | shell command is perl -MOE -e check_links content/glibc-.2.3.1.oe |
| 15:38.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:40.22 | noidd | i'll ponder the possibilities on the plane |
| 15:40.47 | noidd | if its hijacked or starts falling from the sky - i'll make sure to use the data link on the plane-phone and do a bk push :-P |
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| 15:43.30 | noidd | ibot, oe? |
| 15:43.31 | | i guess oe is OpenEmbedded |
| 15:44.05 | kergoth | ibot: openembedded |
| 15:44.05 | | kergoth: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 15:45.07 | kergoth | ibot: OpenEmbedded is both an 'alpha-buildsystem' (see http://openembedded.org and http://openembedded.bkbits.net) and the base name of various Linux distributions produced by said system. |
| 15:45.09 | | kergoth: okay |
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| 16:15.40 | ljp_laptop | my gentoo hates mtd |
| 16:29.41 | ljp_laptop | hmm, mtd uses it's own linux/include files,... wonderful |
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| 16:45.02 | apache444 | Can someone please help me with an error I get on my serial console on my ipaq when I log in? I think it's the reason I can't use CTRL-C... |
| 16:45.21 | apache444 | The error says "sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" |
| 16:45.44 | apache444 | and my getty doesn't respawn automatically, I have to run it explicitly everytime I want a serial console. |
| 16:46.41 | treke | never seen that happen |
| 16:47.41 | apache444 | I'm using a Linux configuration for keyboard and terminal in my terminal software. |
| 16:48.04 | apache444 | My permissions on /dev/ttySA0 are "crw-------" and it's owned by root:root. |
| 16:49.32 | kergoth | treke: out of curiosity, are you building busybox w/ devfs support? |
| 16:50.51 | treke | kergoth: shouldbe |
| 16:51.24 | treke | kernel-ipaq depends on kernel-devfs iirc |
| 16:53.11 | kergoth | k |
| 16:53.32 | treke | kergoth: The getty works fine on my ipaqs :p |
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| 17:08.45 | apache444 | is it normal that my entry for init in "ps ax" looks like this " 1 root 528 S init [ "? |
| 17:08.48 | apache444 | what's the [ at the end? |
| 17:09.09 | apache444 | I'm just trying to figure out why getty isn't respawning even though it's set to do so in /etc/inittab |
| 17:09.43 | kergoth | probably something silly like you set it to spawn in runlevel 3 but you're in 2 |
| 17:09.50 | apache444 | oh and btw typing "more inittab" when in the /etc directory seizes up my console |
| 17:10.02 | apache444 | no, it's set to respawn in 2345 in inittab. |
| 17:10.36 | apache444 | so I have to kill getty and restart it manually (since it doesn't respawn) |
| 17:10.38 | kergoth | and you ran init q or rebooted after changing inittab? |
| 17:10.47 | kergoth | and its set to respawn, not once? |
| 17:11.18 | apache444 | yeah I ran init q... thing is, I never changed inittab though, getty was set to start automatically and respawn at 2345 on ttySA0 automatically when I installed the initrd.bin |
| 17:11.54 | kergoth | and ttySA0 exists in /dev? |
| 17:11.56 | kergoth | odd |
| 17:12.09 | apache444 | Here's my inittab line : "0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L 115200 ttySA0" |
| 17:12.24 | apache444 | And if I type "/sbin/getty -L 115200 ttySA0 &" on command line, it'll start the console... |
| 17:13.06 | apache444 | but then I get the "sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" error everytime I login so I can't press CTRL-C etc... |
| 17:13.27 | apache444 | And the /dev entry is "crw------- 1 root root 204, 5 Jun 30 17:14 ttySA0" |
| 17:13.39 | apache444 | I'm assuming opie is running as root... |
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| 17:29.10 | Neo|Work | I hate people that can't forward emails the correct way |
| 17:29.26 | kergoth | you mean, when they attach rather than inline? |
| 17:29.51 | Neo|Work | No, they inline rather than attach |
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| 17:29.56 | treke | I hate people who send all messages as forwards |
| 17:30.03 | Neo|Work | inline with '> ' rather |
| 17:30.11 | Neo|Work | that makes it impossible for me to respond to the original email |
| 17:30.15 | Neo|Work | otherwide I can easily do it |
| 17:30.37 | absentiaS | I use to get > 600 emails a day (two years ago) |
| 17:30.44 | absentiaS | I just took down my domain and haven't looked back since. |
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| 17:30.55 | absentiaS | I use to use "vm" in emacs. |
| 17:31.23 | Neo|Work | kergoth: of course not, I use gnus |
| 17:31.41 | Neo|Work | and I press Ctrl-d on a message and I get a tree view of the parts of the email |
| 17:31.59 | Neo|Work | which means I can view the original, correctly forwarded, email and respond to it |
| 17:34.44 | absentiaS | what was that program? |
| 17:34.45 | absentiaS | ccmail? |
| 17:34.56 | absentiaS | that use to send the body as an attachment |
| 17:34.57 | absentiaS | ? |
| 17:35.22 | mickeyl | kergoth: that make oldconfig bug had nothing to do with lkc |
| 17:35.37 | kergoth | mickeyl: what was it? |
| 17:35.58 | mickeyl | kergoth: it was simply that the opie branch config.in wasn't synchronized with the opie head config.in ... |
| 17:36.01 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:36.16 | mickeyl | it now works as expected |
| 17:36.24 | mickeyl | i updated lkc to 1.4 btw. |
| 17:36.35 | mickeyl | and added a missing LKDIALOG= in our toplevel Makefile |
| 17:36.40 | mickeyl | LXDIALOG even |
| 17:37.17 | mickeyl | as soon as my windows machine is built, i have access to my card reader and can test hence doing the last necessary fixes before 3.2.5 final. |
| 17:37.24 | kergoth | cool |
| 17:37.27 | mickeyl | should be next weekend or so. |
| 17:37.31 | kergoth | wonder if tmm1 got anywhere with the sharp 2.4.18 tree |
| 17:37.40 | kergoth | collie that is |
| 17:37.44 | mickeyl | he did some more work on it but i didn't remember the status |
| 17:37.48 | treke | he gave up |
| 17:37.51 | mickeyl | d'oh |
| 17:38.23 | mickeyl | so let's pester him to work on 2.4.19 instead ;) |
| 17:38.29 | mickeyl | or anyone else... |
| 17:38.30 | kergoth | well damnit, without net access at home I'm pretty crimpled wrt OZ dev |
| 17:38.48 | beattie | I'm still fighting with the 2.4.18/19 seriql console |
| 17:38.48 | mickeyl | kergoth: when will you have it? didn't you order like two weeks ago? |
| 17:38.51 | kergoth | otherwise i'd merge the ucb1x00 and a couple other drivers from the sharp 2.4.18 tree into our 2.4.19 as a holdover |
| 17:38.52 | treke | kergoth: gimp |
| 17:38.59 | kergoth | mickeyl: no, i didnt call to order it |
| 17:39.03 | mickeyl | oh. |
| 17:39.04 | kergoth | cause i needed cable tv first |
| 17:39.10 | kergoth | but they needed a tv to install it |
| 17:39.14 | treke | er network access |
| 17:39.17 | mickeyl | ah ice |
| 17:39.20 | mickeyl | i see even |
| 17:39.23 | kergoth | and i didnt have a tv |
| 17:39.30 | mickeyl | well... tv is more important than net ;) |
| 17:39.40 | kergoth | so bought a tv this weekend, got cable tv this upcoming saturday, and broadband net access shortly |
| 17:39.44 | kergoth | finally |
| 17:39.45 | mickeyl | goood :D |
| 17:39.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:40.07 | kergoth | treke: yeah well, doing buildroot builds w/o net access is a pain in the ass |
| 17:40.07 | treke | finally |
| 17:40.19 | treke | hehe |
| 17:40.32 | kergoth | also, my 5500 has the busted TS digitizer |
| 17:40.35 | mickeyl | kergoth: otherwise, collegues and rl stuff is ok in texas? |
| 17:40.40 | kergoth | so i'm sligthly limited wrt testing |
| 17:40.42 | tux_mike | hrm |
| 17:40.42 | treke | kergoth: Was readling lkml a bit over the weekend |
| 17:40.50 | tux_mike | this inspiron 8500 looks spiffy |
| 17:40.56 | treke | kergoth: Larry McVoy needs to be beat with a big heavy blunt object |
| 17:41.12 | kergoth | mickeyl: yeah, going well. i'm spending far too much time on build shit imho, but i'll be doing kernel stuff soon, so its fine. |
| 17:41.20 | kergoth | treke: heh, what now? |
| 17:41.32 | treke | kergoth: He was running 2.5 kernels on bkbits |
| 17:41.39 | kergoth | errr |
| 17:41.43 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 17:42.04 | kergoth | 2.5 is great and all.. but uh.. production environments? i think not |
| 17:42.28 | treke | kergoth: He ended up switching to 2.4.21 when he was noticing data corruption :p |
| 17:42.38 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:43.52 | masticator | sup homeez. |
| 17:44.01 | mickeyl | say is there _one_ graphic cards manufacturer with totally open source drivers? this closed sourced mga_hal here is pretty annoying... |
| 17:44.02 | kergoth | hey masticator |
| 17:44.23 | kergoth | arent ATI's card drivers all open source? |
| 17:44.33 | Neo|Work | no |
| 17:44.34 | kergoth | dont get me started about ATI being bastards about their Imageon though |
| 17:44.35 | mickeyl | kergoth: no - imho they also contain a hal object |
| 17:44.37 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:44.41 | kergoth | well that sucks |
| 17:44.46 | tux_mike | no, ATI offers a closed source that has s3tc |
| 17:45.03 | tux_mike | but the open source ones should work for everything else. |
| 17:45.11 | mickeyl | yeah. and nvidia stuff is out of the game, because i need a graphic card without a fan. I'm not interested in gaming or 3d stuff |
| 17:45.16 | Neo|Work | seriously, if you think about it for a second, you can see why they don't have the drivers open source |
| 17:45.38 | tux_mike | mickeyl: then just get any older graphics chipset. |
| 17:45.43 | Neo|Work | lots of IP in there, not to mention possibly patented routines etc that they couldn't possibly open source (for contractual reasons etc) |
| 17:46.00 | tux_mike | ATI, and nVidia have 2d (ati's can do 3d) open source drivers |
| 17:46.59 | mickeyl | tux_mike: I'm pretty satisfied with my G550 on Linux. The only problem is... i need a DVI output - and DVI output needs the binary-only driver which doesn't work really well... |
| 17:47.06 | beattie | Neo|Work: the IP shuoud no be in drivers, I think it colsed source driver are pure BS |
| 17:47.06 | treke | mickeyl: Nvidia still makes cards with fans |
| 17:47.06 | treke | tux_mike: Ati's drivrs are closed source. Their open source drivers do 3d fairly poorly |
| 17:47.22 | mickeyl | treke: do they? |
| 17:47.36 | tux_mike | treke: never tried them. suprises me not. |
| 17:48.00 | tux_mike | hrm |
| 17:48.56 | tux_mike | i wonder which would be better, ATI Mobility Radeon 9000, or a GeForce 4 4200 Go ? |
| 17:49.20 | masticator | I'm thinking of picking up a 21 inch LCD |
| 17:49.26 | masticator | what card is best for that? |
| 17:49.26 | TheMasterMind1 | i've heard ati beat out the nvidia cards |
| 17:49.50 | treke | TheMasterMind1: That's windows |
| 17:49.53 | masticator | I'll probably still use a Windows workstation and just continue to do VNC to the linux box |
| 17:50.06 | tux_mike | but how about in the laptop market. the ati 9700 is the one that beats out the nvidia. plus this is going to be a linux laptop |
| 17:50.21 | masticator | DVI interface is best for LCD right |
| 17:50.25 | masticator | if the monitor supports it |
| 17:50.31 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: hrm, right |
| 17:50.59 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: i have a m9 radeon 9000 in this lappy |
| 17:51.09 | TheMasterMind1 | i got the dri debian packages and copiled radeon.o |
| 17:51.15 | TheMasterMind1 | getting about 2000fps on glxgears |
| 17:51.26 | treke | TheMasterMind1: thats not very good :p |
| 17:51.35 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:51.39 | tux_mike | nope. my gf 4 MX does about that |
| 17:51.52 | TheMasterMind1 | ati's drivers with radeon 9700 and x4.3 does about 7000fps |
| 17:52.00 | treke | TheMasterMind1: my gf4 4200 does about 5-6k |
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| 17:52.34 | mickeyl | hey cmartin |
| 17:52.41 | kergoth | hey cmartin |
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| 17:55.06 | mickeyl | cmartin: you can build OpenSIMpad 0.8.1 rc1 now - the .config problem has been fixed |
| 17:55.19 | masticator | opensimpad? |
| 17:55.40 | mickeyl | OpenSIMpad == OpenEmbedded/SIMpad |
| 17:55.50 | masticator | whats a simpad? |
| 17:56.03 | mickeyl | masticator: webpad 800x600 pixel |
| 17:56.12 | masticator | cute |
| 17:56.15 | masticator | who makes it? |
| 17:56.17 | mickeyl | masticator: http://opie.net.wox.org/simpad for a few pictures |
| 17:56.19 | ociocio- | siemens device |
| 17:56.27 | masticator | ah euro only |
| 17:56.43 | cmartin | hey mickeyl,kerg |
| 17:57.04 | cmartin | s/ kergoth - damn autoexpand |
| 17:57.09 | masticator | is it ARM based? |
| 17:57.14 | mickeyl | masticator: SA1110 |
| 17:57.19 | mickeyl | masticator: based on assabet |
| 17:57.27 | cmartin | mickeyl:k great |
| 17:57.52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:57.57 | kergoth | 'based on assabet' doesnt mean much :P |
| 17:58.05 | treke | assabet? |
| 17:58.10 | tux_mike | i read that wrong |
| 17:58.23 | tux_mike | for some reason i read that as asshat :) |
| 17:58.24 | mickeyl | well... the siemens guys said its pretty similar to the assabet, so... |
| 17:58.42 | kergoth | yes, i'm sure it is |
| 17:58.59 | kergoth | mickeyl: assabet is the intel dev board |
| 17:59.05 | mickeyl | yup, i know. |
| 17:59.11 | kergoth | mickeyl: so nearly every product on that chip likely used it for development |
| 17:59.20 | kergoth | mickeyl: so saying its based on assabet is pretty much a given |
| 17:59.22 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:59.38 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:59.58 | cmartin | mickeyl: did you get my mail? |
| 18:00.40 | kergoth | ~/oe/packages$ oebuild do_build ~/SRPMS/hhl-target-setserial-2.17-mvlcee3.0.0.2.src.rpm |
| 18:00.43 | kergoth | NOTE: package None: task do_set_specvar started |
| 18:00.48 | kergoth | NOTE: package None: task do_set_specvar succeeded |
| 18:00.54 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:00.54 | kergoth | wonder whats up with teh duped messages |
| 18:01.14 | kergoth | thats pretty spiffy though. teaching the build infrastructure to handle alternate input forms |
| 18:01.16 | mickeyl | cmartin: yes. didn't understand fully though :) |
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| 18:01.38 | mickeyl | cmartin: where should the ramdisk be saved during reboots? in flash is not enough memory |
| 18:03.59 | cmartin | ok - let me explain |
| 18:04.41 | cmartin | on 32MB devices there would be enough for a backup in order to survive reboots |
| 18:04.59 | cmartin | but it's really more interesting for the 16MB devices |
| 18:05.11 | mickeyl | on 32MB devices there would be enough for a backup in order to survive reboots ? |
| 18:05.16 | mickeyl | i don't see that |
| 18:05.25 | mickeyl | the 32MB flash is loaded with applications |
| 18:05.28 | mickeyl | what then? |
| 18:05.54 | mickeyl | treke: we also do think that. but who can do it? :) |
| 18:06.05 | cmartin | well, then no backup could be made - then only the last successful backup is available |
| 18:06.21 | mickeyl | cmartin: okay. now i understood. |
| 18:06.42 | cmartin | treke: you're right, but if the bootloader erases ram, then you have no luck with the nvrd |
| 18:07.00 | mickeyl | which reminds me on asking juergen if there is RedBoot porting progress... |
| 18:07.48 | cmartin | the idea for the the 16 MB devices would be: |
| 18:08.51 | cmartin | make an image where most software is installed on ramdisk (in the form of a preinstalled .tgz file) and unpacked at boot |
| 18:09.10 | cmartin | this way we could get more software on it right from the beginning |
| 18:10.01 | treke | cmartin: What is the point? If it fit on rom people would put it on rom |
| 18:10.47 | cmartin | the installed packages take up more space installed than compressed in a .tgz file |
| 18:17.03 | kergoth | cmartin: you're storing it in a compressed filesystem on flash, correct? tgz is redundant |
| 18:17.08 | mickeyl | cmartin: don't forget that jffs2 is also compressed! |
| 18:17.43 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:18.09 | kergoth | hey cool, my task digraph is circular |
| 18:18.21 | kergoth | i should add a test for that |
| 18:18.34 | kergoth | NOTE: Recursing from do_unpack to do_package |
| 18:18.36 | kergoth | now thats odd |
| 18:18.40 | kergoth | why would unpack depend on package |
| 18:18.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:18.43 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:20.01 | cmartin | k, it was just an idea - if there's no gain between gzip and jffs2 compression, then it would make no sense |
| 18:20.35 | kergoth | wow, that was a really fucking obscure bug |
| 18:20.42 | cmartin | s /not make sense |
| 18:20.57 | kergoth | cmartin: jffs2 compresses really well |
| 18:20.58 | mickeyl | kergoth: is any of the oe-stuff documented yet in the repository? |
| 18:21.15 | kergoth | mickeyl: every package and module has pydoc information |
| 18:21.19 | kergoth | mickeyl: some of it needs updating, but.. |
| 18:21.28 | kergoth | mickeyl: and doc/ contains a general OVERVIEW and a few other documents |
| 18:21.47 | kergoth | we could really use some more step-by-step 'adding a .oe' documentation though |
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| 18:25.01 | ljp_laptop | yes. more docs |
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| 18:31.52 | cmartin | mickeyl: either i did something wrong or this ccache is really good - just rebuilt qte and opie within a fraction of the time |
| 18:32.28 | cmartin | mickeyl: or would ccache cause a problem after the .config problem |
| 18:33.45 | cmartin | mickeyl: opie-opiealarm still wasn't built |
| 18:36.18 | apache444 | treke: is it right that the date on lots of my /dev entries is jan 1, 1970? |
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| 18:37.01 | mickeyl | cmartin: you did remember to upgrade your opie sources? |
| 18:37.53 | cmartin | mickeyl: how can i jus upgrade them without deleting them altogether - CVS? |
| 18:38.05 | mickeyl | the .config problem turned out to be a problem in opie, not oz |
| 18:38.12 | mickeyl | cvs -PdA up |
| 18:38.19 | mickeyl | where the opie sources are |
| 18:38.37 | mickeyl | cvs up -PdA even |
| 18:38.50 | mickeyl | -r OPIE_BRANCH_0_99 |
| 18:38.53 | mickeyl | now we have it :) |
| 18:39.27 | kergoth | fuck |
| 18:39.35 | cmartin | cvs up -PdAr OPIE_BRANCH_0_99? |
| 18:39.40 | treke | apache444: Right? probably not. Ok. should work |
| 18:40.10 | kergoth | uh |
| 18:40.13 | kergoth | you dont want to touch -P |
| 18:40.17 | kergoth | when using a branch |
| 18:40.19 | kergoth | er |
| 18:40.20 | kergoth | -A i mean |
| 18:40.23 | apache444 | ok, still trying to get to the bottom of this "can't access tty" error. maybe I should re-install from your image on the experimental feed |
| 18:40.28 | kergoth | -A kills sticky tags, effectively puts you back to HEAD |
| 18:41.14 | cmartin | kergoth: k , how do i upgrade OPIE_BRANCH_0_99 then? |
| 18:41.20 | treke | just reinstall |
| 18:41.24 | kergoth | ;/win 21 |
| 18:41.26 | kergoth | bleh |
| 18:41.27 | kergoth | eh? |
| 18:41.32 | kergoth | 'cvs up' seems pretty easy |
| 18:41.42 | kergoth | when you check something out with a branch, the tree is tagged as such |
| 18:41.46 | kergoth | and updates come from that branch |
| 18:41.56 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: whats with all the ';' |
| 18:42.02 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:42.03 | kergoth | dunno |
| 18:42.20 | cmartin | so "cvs up -r OPIE_BRANCH_0_99" would do? |
| 18:42.24 | ljp_laptop | you doing some c/c++? |
| 18:42.36 | kergoth | cmartin: what is your current tree? |
| 18:42.40 | kergoth | cmartin: HEAD or the branch? |
| 18:42.48 | cmartin | branch |
| 18:42.51 | kergoth | then cvs up |
| 18:42.52 | kergoth | thats it |
| 18:42.53 | kergoth | cvs up |
| 18:42.57 | kergoth | i just told you |
| 18:43.00 | cmartin | k |
| 18:43.02 | kergoth | your tree RETAINS knowledge of what branch you're on |
| 18:43.07 | kergoth | you dont have to specify it every time |
| 18:43.16 | mickeyl | interestingly, that doesn't work for me... my cvs binary seems not to care about sticky tags |
| 18:43.52 | mickeyl | cmartin: -PdA however is necessary or you don't get the new files |
| 18:43.52 | kergoth | regardless -A never belongs in a checkout command unless you know what you're doing |
| 18:43.56 | kergoth | no |
| 18:43.57 | kergoth | it is |
| 18:43.58 | kergoth | isnt |
| 18:44.01 | kergoth | you want cvs up -Pd |
| 18:44.02 | kergoth | NOT -A |
| 18:44.13 | mickeyl | i like it because it's for a PDA environment :D |
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| 18:44.23 | kergoth | -A will bite you if you ever rely on sticky tags |
| 18:44.27 | kergoth | which you should be if your cvs isnt fucked |
| 18:44.55 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah yeah, maybe that's why sticky doesn't work for me... |
| 18:45.10 | kergoth | yes, you're killing htem with every cvs command |
| 18:45.23 | kergoth | put -Pd in your cvs options file |
| 18:45.29 | kergoth | and dont use -A unless you know what you're doing |
| 18:45.41 | pb_ | mickeyl: yeah, -A is the switch for getting off a branch and back onto the HEAD. you definitely don't want that to be default. |
| 18:46.48 | mickeyl | pb_,kergoth: ouch. thanks. that's it. |
| 18:54.19 | cmartin | i have a (presumably stupid) question about bk: |
| 18:55.27 | cmartin | everytime i edit files via "bk vi" i always have problems with the next "bk pull" - anybody know how i can edit files temporarily until the next pull? |
| 18:56.01 | kergoth | there is no edit temporarily |
| 18:56.11 | kergoth | either check in your changes with bk ci |
| 18:56.17 | kergoth | or unedit the files and thereby lose your changes |
| 18:57.49 | cmartin | well, since the changes i make are usually added by mickey later anyways i just want bk to overwrite my changes, but bk doesn't like that |
| 18:57.57 | kergoth | .. |
| 18:57.58 | kergoth | i just said |
| 18:58.02 | mewyn | i love the new xrandr extensions |
| 18:58.04 | kergoth | bk doesnt fuck with your changes |
| 18:58.12 | kergoth | you can explicitly blow away your changes with bk unedit |
| 18:58.18 | kergoth | or you can ci them and let bk merge them |
| 18:58.21 | kergoth | those are the options. period. |
| 18:59.28 | cmartin | k, that's all i wanted to hear - i'm not very familiar with bk, so i had never heard of bk unedit - is that global or can i just unedit cerain files? |
| 18:59.41 | cmartin | s/ certain |
| 19:03.47 | kergoth | its per file |
| 19:03.51 | kergoth | but, you can use bk -r |
| 19:03.57 | kergoth | bk -r unedit will unedit everything |
| 19:04.01 | apache444 | treke: I just reflashed my Ipaq with the initrd.bin at the root of experimental, and I had it boot up with the console connected, so I watched it boot up. I got all the "dmesg"s but when it was finished booting, I didn't get a boot prompt... |
| 19:04.10 | treke | You wont |
| 19:04.12 | treke | exit opie |
| 19:04.16 | apache444 | ok |
| 19:04.23 | kergoth | note that unediting a file removes the checked out version |
| 19:04.32 | kergoth | so you my need to bk -r co -q or bk -r edit -q at that point |
| 19:05.04 | apache444 | treke: "restart opie" or "terminate opie"? shouldn't inittab start the getty at ttySA0? |
| 19:05.11 | treke | terminate opie |
| 19:05.15 | treke | apache444: it does |
| 19:05.45 | apache444 | I terminated opie and it gives me the login prompt... |
| 19:05.55 | apache444 | but not on the console... on my ipaw |
| 19:05.59 | apache444 | ipaq |
| 19:06.36 | apache444 | treke: do you want me to click menu and then quit? |
| 19:06.48 | treke | yes |
| 19:07.07 | apache444 | ok. NOW I have a login on console. |
| 19:07.15 | treke | yes you do |
| 19:07.32 | apache444 | treke: so I shouldn't be using the console when opie is running? is that the problem? |
| 19:07.48 | apache444 | treke: When I say console I mean serial console... |
| 19:09.20 | treke | I know what you mean. It isnt available at first boot. Exit opie and restart it in the background and it is |
| 19:10.39 | cmartin | kergoth: so in my case i would do - bk -r unedit;bk pull;bk -r co -q - is that ok? |
| 19:11.17 | apache444 | treke: OK, but shouldn't this line "0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L 115200 ttySA0" in /etc/inittab start it up even when opie is running? |
| 19:11.22 | treke | no |
| 19:11.42 | treke | init doesnt reach that point until after opie exits |
| 19:12.42 | apache444 | treke: Oh, I thought that since opie is running in a certain runlevel, anything in inittab for that runlevel will be running as well. |
| 19:13.30 | treke | anything that gets started before opie will be running. Anything set to start after opie will not run until the user exits opie |
| 19:13.33 | treke | yes its a bug. |
| 19:13.38 | kergoth | cmartin: yes |
| 19:13.39 | treke | yes it's easy to fix. |
| 19:13.41 | cmartin | treke; why can't we start opie in the background per default? |
| 19:13.45 | treke | no I dont have time to fix it |
| 19:14.02 | kergoth | cmartin: because without opie-login installed by default, when you exit opie, you'd end up on a useless |
| 19:14.05 | kergoth | cmartin: VT |
| 19:14.13 | kergoth | cmartin: and zaurus users, who dont have serial connectivity in the general case, would be hosed |
| 19:14.36 | kergoth | this comes down to the fact that opie's launcher doesnt know how to properly spawn on a new vt and return on completion |
| 19:14.40 | kergoth | among other things |
| 19:14.53 | apache444 | OK well I'm finally understanding what's going on now. Thanks people. Question, without opie running, can I debug my problem with my ipaq not working with wireless cards? |
| 19:15.05 | kergoth | er |
| 19:15.12 | kergoth | s/cmartin/apache444/ |
| 19:15.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:15.22 | cmartin | kergoth: so this is something we could change in the Makefile for ipaq or simpad, right? |
| 19:15.27 | kergoth | yes |
| 19:15.30 | treke | apache444: yes. Email the hostap list and see what they say |
| 19:15.34 | kergoth | but this problem is being fixed properly soon anyway |
| 19:15.52 | kergoth | cosmicpenguin is creating a getty like gui app spawn tool, with bootmenu capability |
| 19:15.52 | treke | cmartin: That's what I was going to do once I had time to actually make new images and test them |
| 19:15.56 | kergoth | and I'll be fixing opie's vt handling |
| 19:16.00 | apache444 | the problem with the inittab is being fixed soon? |
| 19:16.04 | apache444 | or the problem with wireless? |
| 19:16.04 | kergoth | s/fixing/enhancing/ |
| 19:16.07 | kergoth | inittab |
| 19:16.24 | apache444 | cool! |
| 19:17.21 | apache444 | My problem then is still "cardmgr[22]: get dev info on socket 0 failed: Resource temporarily unavailable" when I insert any wireless card into my CF slot. |
| 19:20.44 | absentiaS | man, I am *SO* bored. |
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| 19:30.55 | kergoth | ibot: monday |
| 19:30.55 | | i heard monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon, or a day requiring the use of large amounts of drugs |
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| 19:34.24 | noda | Moo! |
| 19:36.56 | treke | noda: how is gpe support coming along? |
| 19:37.01 | noda | lol |
| 19:37.07 | noda | Beats me :) |
| 19:37.14 | treke | you said you'd do it |
| 19:37.22 | noda | Never! |
| 19:37.28 | treke | I have the logs to prove it |
| 19:37.45 | treke | 15:32 <treke|home> someone get off their lazy butt and add gpe to oe 15:33 <treke|home> NOW |
| 19:37.48 | treke | 15:35 -!- noda [~noda@modemcable063.97-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["I am"] |
| 19:37.51 | noda | lol |
| 19:40.25 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: hows the 2.4.18 porting work coming? |
| 19:43.14 | bipolar | noidd: is there a problem? |
| 19:43.41 | treke | kergoth: you ever found away to get vim key bindings in irsi? |
| 19:44.34 | kergoth | nope |
| 19:44.42 | treke | damn |
| 19:44.43 | kergoth | god mondays suck |
| 19:44.58 | kergoth | so far i've run into like 8 corner case weird ass bugs that should rarely if ever occur |
| 19:45.02 | kergoth | today |
| 19:45.07 | pb_ | hah |
| 19:45.19 | noda | kergoth: Heh, I've been working on one fucking bug since 10:00 AM, and I'm nowhere close to fixing it. |
| 19:45.23 | kergoth | i guess i should be glad, today is the 'expose all teh bugs' day |
| 19:45.25 | noda | Thought I'd found the problem, but I didn't :( |
| 19:45.26 | kergoth | noda: ouch |
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| 19:59.43 | cmartin | mickeyl: opie still doesn't calibrate |
| 20:00.23 | cmartin | i made an image with commented out startup of opie so i could run it on the console - this is what i get: |
| 20:00.42 | cmartin | # /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe |
| 20:00.42 | cmartin | Could not read calibration: /etc/pointercal |
| 20:00.42 | cmartin | mcp: write timed out |
| 20:00.43 | cmartin | ODevice for SIMpad: setDisplayStatus(on) |
| 20:00.43 | cmartin | ODevice for SIMpad: setDisplayBrightness( 127 ) |
| 20:00.44 | cmartin | ODevice for SIMpad: UNHANDLED setSoftSuspend(on) |
| 20:00.44 | cmartin | QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image |
| 20:00.46 | cmartin | QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image |
| 20:00.48 | cmartin | QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image |
| 20:00.50 | cmartin | QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image |
| 20:00.52 | cmartin | QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image |
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| 20:00.54 | cmartin | QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image |
| 20:00.56 | cmartin | QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image |
| 20:00.58 | cmartin | QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image |
| 20:01.00 | cmartin | QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image |
| 20:01.02 | cmartin | QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image |
| 20:01.04 | cmartin | QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image |
| 20:01.06 | cmartin | QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image |
| 20:01.08 | cmartin | mcp: write timed out |
| 20:01.29 | mickeyl | hmm... a bit too much null image warnings but other than that it's looking normal |
| 20:02.02 | mickeyl | Could not read calibration: /etc/pointercal |
| 20:02.09 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 20:02.18 | cmartin | but the calibration of qte if it can't read /etc/pointercal |
| 20:02.21 | mickeyl | could not read or could not open? |
| 20:02.31 | mickeyl | that's the question |
| 20:03.02 | kergoth | mcp: write timed out? |
| 20:03.20 | cmartin | mickeyl: now something really strange |
| 20:03.22 | mickeyl | kergoth: that's normal - we have it since the beginning of opie on simpad |
| 20:03.27 | kergoth | thats a kernel/hw issue, i ran into that when i forgot to reset the tc35143af after re initializing mcp on resume |
| 20:03.36 | kergoth | mickeyl: its not normal. its a kernel problem then. |
| 20:03.47 | kergoth | the fact that a bug has always been around doesnt imply sanity |
| 20:03.48 | kergoth | :P |
| 20:03.49 | mickeyl | kergoth: yes I know - but it is not causing any harm. |
| 20:04.08 | mickeyl | kergoth: sure - but the energy to look that up is minimal if no errors are visible |
| 20:04.16 | mickeyl | motivation even |
| 20:04.18 | cmartin | after hitting Strg-C calibration starts ??? |
| 20:04.29 | mickeyl | strange |
| 20:05.05 | mickeyl | I'd love to test it, but without my 2nd machine I'm pretty handicapped right now... but fear not - the components have been ordered and are shipping this week |
| 20:08.45 | mickeyl | OT: anyone knowing an internal cardreader (for the 5.25 slot) knowing to work with linux? I have seen a bunch of multifunctional panels here, but they don't list the OEM |
| 20:09.19 | treke | mickeyl: actually. maybe |
| 20:09.35 | treke | mickeyl: I can probably tell you in an hour or so |
| 20:11.08 | treke | I've got one sitting in the trunk of my truck |
| 20:11.16 | mickeyl | treke: ah great. thanks |
| 20:11.39 | cmartin | mickeyl: after removing /etc/pointercal it still reads: Could not read calibration: /etc/pointercal |
| 20:11.40 | noidd | rpm? |
| 20:11.48 | cmartin | but this time calibration starts |
| 20:12.06 | cmartin | has to be something other than the pointercal |
| 20:12.07 | mickeyl | cmartin: strange strange stuff... i have absolutely no idea what's going on there |
| 20:12.18 | mickeyl | cmartin: an strace could help |
| 20:12.30 | kergoth | hmm, you know that schurig changed the outputted pointercal file to end in a newline, right? are you using tslib? |
| 20:12.34 | treke | mickeyl: I keep meaning to install it. It's usb, so it should just use usb mass-storage |
| 20:13.28 | cmartin | kergoth: no we went back to my original patch of qwsmouse, since we were having problems with pointercal |
| 20:13.38 | cmartin | and tslib |
| 20:14.07 | kergoth | perhaps tslib expects it to end in a newline, but the qt calibrated mouse handler does not? |
| 20:14.15 | kergoth | that could explain the problem |
| 20:14.36 | cmartin | my pointercal has no new line |
| 20:15.08 | mickeyl | treke: ah actually no, my "it's usb, so it should use usb mass-storage" card reader from carry turned out to be a windows-only. no chance to get it running on linux without _much_ work... |
| 20:15.17 | treke | mickeyl: fun |
| 20:15.23 | cmartin | besides the problem only exists on first boot, when no pointercal exists |
| 20:15.25 | mickeyl | yeah really... pissed me off |
| 20:15.34 | kergoth | k |
| 20:15.42 | treke | mickeyl: well, this was free so we'll see |
| 20:15.50 | mickeyl | treke: yup |
| 20:16.07 | treke | if it doesnt work, I'll give it to one of the windows guys :p |
| 20:16.25 | mickeyl | hwhw |
| 20:16.27 | mickeyl | hehe even |
| 20:16.27 | kergoth | ohhh i'm wicked and i'm lazy |
| 20:16.29 | treke | heaven help their souls |
| 20:16.31 | kergoth | you gotta love a song entitled 'lazy' |
| 20:16.34 | kergoth | just on principle |
| 20:16.47 | cyn | oh shit |
| 20:16.48 | mickeyl | " <kergoth> perhaps tslib expects it to end in a newline, but the qt calibrated mouse handler does not?" |
| 20:16.53 | cyn | we heard that in the radio in ireland constnatly |
| 20:16.56 | mickeyl | that could really be ... |
| 20:16.59 | cyn | and we forgot to go track it down |
| 20:17.07 | cyn | that shits playing in the states now? |
| 20:17.08 | kergoth | mickeyl: something worth looking into anyway |
| 20:17.28 | kergoth | cyn: yeah, its on one of XM's dance stations regularly |
| 20:17.31 | mickeyl | kergoth: absolutley. schurig did some additional work on checking why tslib doesn't play nice with opie on ramses. don't know the status |
| 20:17.43 | cyn | ah |
| 20:17.52 | cyn | that's still kinda special tho |
| 20:17.56 | cyn | wonder if I'd have to find an import |
| 20:18.29 | noda | Aargh, this FUCKING bug! Just when I think I've found it, I realize, "No, I was smart, I thought of that when I coded it." |
| 20:18.33 | cyn | wait dance station |
| 20:18.38 | cyn | that must be a remix |
| 20:18.50 | cyn | iirc the one I heard in ireland was slow |
| 20:19.17 | cyn | to picture the singer you'd expect they were leaning back in a couch or rocking chair |
| 20:19.26 | treke | sounds lazy |
| 20:21.11 | kergoth | son of a bitch |
| 20:21.14 | kergoth | those stupid motherfuckers |
| 20:21.17 | kergoth | grr! |
| 20:21.33 | kergoth | get this, i'm a few months behind on my mortgage |
| 20:21.44 | kergoth | so i call to setup a payment schedule to prevent forclosure |
| 20:21.48 | kergoth | make one of th etwo payments |
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| 20:21.58 | kergoth | then the mortgage company i had initiated the mortgage with buys it from the current one |
| 20:22.01 | kergoth | because it was behind |
| 20:22.09 | kergoth | and now *they're* going to pursue forclosure |
| 20:22.10 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 20:22.21 | kergoth | they cant check to see if i'm in teh middle of repaying it before buying the shit back? |
| 20:22.28 | kergoth | what complete and utter bullshit |
| 20:22.32 | ljp_laptop | hmmm, |
| 20:22.56 | kergoth | so who knows if that first 1600 payment actually went towards bringing me up to date or now |
| 20:23.00 | kergoth | not |
| 20:23.11 | ljp_laptop | I hate money problems |
| 20:24.18 | ljp_laptop | sounds lik eyoud better make a few phone calls |
| 20:28.47 | ljp_laptop | ibot test |
| 20:28.47 | | Passed |
| 20:30.03 | mickeyl | lol |
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| 20:34.27 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: the original mortgage guy i know at bell (the folks who bought it back unnecessarily) is digging into it for me |
| 20:36.26 | kergoth | i cant believe they dont check the status of the account just prior to proceeding with the buy back |
| 20:36.30 | kergoth | that just blows me away |
| 20:41.41 | noidd | money + companies = stupidity |
| 20:42.05 | noidd | you got a new job tho - you should be fine when your first months check(?) hits |
| 20:42.17 | kergoth | get paid weekly :) |
| 20:42.33 | kergoth | its not a problem, but i'm hoping they didnt mark my credit when they were 'forced' to buyback the loan |
| 20:42.51 | noidd | I still dont know my credit rating |
| 20:43.01 | noidd | last time I checked I was an "N" rating |
| 20:44.16 | ljp_laptop | they probably did that first |
| 20:44.59 | pb_ | ljp_laptop: always expect the best, right? |
| 20:45.15 | kergoth | eheh |
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| 20:49.47 | cmartin | mickeyl: have any idea why touchscreen events causes noise in the speaker and after a suspend and resume the noise is gone ?? |
| 20:52.21 | kergoth | sounds like a kernel bug |
| 20:52.34 | kergoth | likely doing something on resume that they arent doing in the init |
| 20:52.50 | cmartin | sounds like sound crashes on suspend |
| 20:53.35 | pb_ | touchscreen causing noises from the speaker sounds like you might have an unused analog mixer input turned on by mistake. |
| 20:56.24 | kergoth | oi |
| 20:56.41 | kergoth | principal mortgage arranged a payment schedule with me |
| 20:56.46 | mickeyl | cmartin: yes - this imho is a combination of a kernel bug and the opie sound driver |
| 20:56.51 | kergoth | then proceeded to force the initial mortgage company to buy it back |
| 20:56.55 | kergoth | WTF? |
| 20:57.11 | kergoth | if they didnt want the loan, why start making arrangements with me to bring it current? |
| 20:57.15 | kergoth | what a crock of shit |
| 20:57.19 | pb_ | kergoth: very bizarre |
| 20:58.10 | ljp_laptop | like a dog chasing it's tail |
| 20:58.38 | kergoth | so now I owe them.... as of july 1st, $5,300. and they wont make arrangements for any type of schedule |
| 20:58.45 | kergoth | it must be paid in full or they'll forclose |
| 20:59.33 | treke | kergoth: not good |
| 20:59.34 | ljp_laptop | I hate banks |
| 21:00.31 | kergoth | me too |
| 21:00.55 | kergoth | and, i'm currently renting the house to my dad |
| 21:00.55 | kergoth | so |
| 21:01.05 | kergoth | if i sell the house, i have to kick my dad out :) |
| 21:01.18 | treke | your dad is an asshole right? |
| 21:01.22 | kergoth | well yeah |
| 21:01.29 | kergoth | but still |
| 21:01.29 | treke | well then dont feel to bad |
| 21:01.32 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:01.47 | pb_ | still, does seem a bit harsh to have him evicted. |
| 21:02.06 | kergoth | sorry dad, dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out? |
| 21:02.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:02.27 | kergoth | there's no way i can come up with that kinda cash on this little notice |
| 21:02.36 | kergoth | so its either forclose or sell, and he'll get the boot either way |
| 21:02.41 | treke | "I'm raising the rent to 5,400 bucks a month. effective today." |
| 21:02.45 | kergoth | hah |
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| 21:13.31 | cmartin | mickeyl: when i put a predefined /etc/pointercal in the rootfs opie boots fine and the opie-date-and-time app comes up on top of the bootsplash image |
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| 21:14.31 | cmartin | i noticed a small bug in the opie-date-and-time app (only the first start though) - Hour has a range from 0-99 instead of 0-23 |
| 21:15.31 | yeiazel | I have 99 hours in my days |
| 21:15.32 | yeiazel | :) |
| 21:15.49 | kergoth | bleh |
| 21:16.01 | treke | cmartin: You europeans seem to like the metric system, thought we'd make time more comfortable for you |
| 21:16.11 | bisho | that will be great |
| 21:16.17 | bisho | 99 hours / day |
| 21:16.19 | cmartin | hehe |
| 21:16.22 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 21:16.29 | bisho | lot of time to do many things |
| 21:16.31 | bisho | XD |
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| 21:30.58 | cmartin | mickeyl: interested in an IBIZ serial keyboard? |
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| 21:43.24 | kergoth | anyone know if theres a way to override the 'buildroot' variable used in a build of a src.rpm? |
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| 21:43.41 | kergoth | ah, --buildroot |
| 21:43.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:43.45 | zar | hy all |
| 21:43.49 | kergoth | hey |
| 21:43.53 | treke | ~lart kergoth |
| 21:44.07 | treke | which button is the escape button? |
| 21:44.26 | ljp_laptop | which button is the any button? |
| 21:44.31 | cmartin | mickeyl: do you know if the simpad has a 32bit cardbus pcmcia slot? |
| 21:44.33 | zar | hey kergoth I was talkin to noidd about a server to house the various buildroot sources besides the kernel because they keep breakin |
| 21:45.51 | zar | doin a build root this weekend was a bitch lol busybox's cvs changed socat got upped ncurses diff got pulled etc etc etc |
| 21:46.26 | treke | zar: It's a matter of someone writing a tool for the new buildsystem |
| 21:46.55 | zar | a tools is not going to fix differences in new sources |
| 21:47.39 | treke | zar: No, but a tool for synchronizing downloaded sources with the archive will |
| 21:47.40 | zar | I go rack space at a colo with a couple of t1's im willin to donate :) |
| 21:47.44 | zar | true |
| 21:50.52 | zar | btw treke I think the cancel is the esc button |
| 21:51.04 | zar | at least thats what works in vi |
| 21:52.21 | treke | well I wasnt talking about on the zaurus :p |
| 21:52.33 | treke | zar: I was mocking kergoth |
| 21:52.54 | zar | oh lol |
| 21:53.10 | kergoth | damnit, --buildroot wasnt what i needed |
| 21:54.34 | treke | zar: What I think we need is kind of mirror_sync command |
| 21:55.01 | zar | I think a cvs repository with all the sources would do just fine |
| 21:55.05 | kergoth | uh |
| 21:55.05 | kergoth | no |
| 21:55.25 | kergoth | cvs is absolute crap for this. all we need is a dir containing the sources |
| 21:55.57 | treke | actually. |
| 21:56.09 | treke | Buildroot knows how to get the sources |
| 21:56.50 | treke | so the server with the source could use that |
| 21:57.05 | kergoth | yeah, just run the equivalent of a make sources periodically |
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| 21:58.37 | zar | setup cvs server to a ftp server so devels could upload new code and then use the ftp server to deploy it? |
| 21:58.39 | mickeyl | cmartin: depends... how much? ;) |
| 21:58.50 | kergoth | no. |
| 21:58.55 | treke | zar: Too convoluted |
| 21:58.59 | zar | hehe |
| 21:59.08 | treke | zar: ideally developers shouldnt upload code. it's a waste of their bandwidth |
| 21:59.24 | kergoth | zar: we store patches against upstream sources |
| 21:59.26 | zar | To long developing oracle applications I like to over complicate stuff lol :) |
| 21:59.34 | kergoth | zar: we *DO NOT* develop against upstream sources in cvs. period. |
| 21:59.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:59.43 | zar | thats is a good way.. |
| 21:59.58 | treke | a cron job on the server runs make source every so often |
| 22:00.21 | treke | it then probably needs to tar up the result for simpler transfer |
| 22:01.05 | treke | then developer tries to do a new build, it first tries grabbing from upstream, if that fails it looks to the mirror |
| 22:01.37 | treke | if the mirror(s) fail it's says fuck it and emails the package maintainer |
| 22:02.10 | zar | testing murpheys law. ;0 |
| 22:03.16 | cmartin | EUR 18 + Versandt? |
| 22:03.17 | treke | kergoth: how does that sound? |
| 22:03.24 | kergoth | yep, seems reasonable |
| 22:03.47 | mickeyl | cmartin: sounds reasonable. where from? |
| 22:03.48 | treke | the intermediary tar is annoying, but it seems like the only reasonable way to handle things like cvs |
| 22:03.51 | cmartin | me |
| 22:04.00 | mickeyl | cmartin: why do you want to sell it? don't work? |
| 22:04.04 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 22:04.18 | treke | acttually |
| 22:04.25 | treke | maybe I'll do that tonight. |
| 22:04.29 | cmartin | i bid on two at ebay and got both |
| 22:04.55 | mickeyl | cmartin: aah good. well... it surely means work for us to get it working with the SIMpad... but i take one |
| 22:05.13 | treke | good excuse to take the night off and learn python |
| 22:06.17 | kergoth | the mirror handling should be pretty easy, my plan was to add a conf option to specify a 'replacement string'. e.g. addmirror ftp.gnu.org/pub thatothergnumirror.org/pub sets up a regex search replace from one to the other in the url to try that mirror |
| 22:06.21 | mickeyl | treke: good idea! |
| 22:07.00 | cmartin | mickeyl: well looking at this site http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~jpc1/linux/ipaq/serial.html it shouldn't be too hard to get the ibiz to work on the simpad |
| 22:07.00 | kergoth | ibot: bitchslap rpm |
| 22:07.02 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of rpm |
| 22:07.04 | treke | kergoth: I was thinking to be sure we were straight on gpl compliance we should have at least one complete source mirror under our control |
| 22:07.17 | treke | kergoth: Even if it isnt used for buildroot itself |
| 22:07.22 | kergoth | treke: yep, thats accurate |
| 22:07.32 | kergoth | having the mirror itself is top priority |
| 22:07.39 | kergoth | making the build system use it is less important |
| 22:08.01 | treke | kergoth: perhaps even have it trigglered by mail from the buildroot mailing list |
| 22:08.09 | treke | "something changed, update the source" |
| 22:08.34 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:08.35 | cmartin | mickeyl: the ibiz keyboard is the "KeySync" keyboard mentioned there |
| 22:08.54 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:09.08 | zar | lol |
| 22:09.08 | treke | kergoth: hehe |
| 22:09.24 | zar | or face a dns attack |
| 22:09.27 | treke | then I'd remove the script that watches the mailing list and go back to a cron job :p |
| 22:09.53 | kergoth | stupid rpm, if I can get the BuildRoot overridden in the build process, the OE intregration will be much more sane |
| 22:10.23 | mickeyl | cmartin: yes, looks not to be too hard. |
| 22:10.32 | zar | I picked up one of those flexis keyboards for the 5500 it works pretty good, even stood up to attack by coffee |
| 22:12.30 | mickeyl | zar: those from manmachine? |
| 22:13.04 | zar | yup |
| 22:13.16 | zar | It works fine with the 3.2 openzaurus too |
| 22:13.51 | bipolar | ,,, 0.o ,,, |
| 22:16.05 | zar | The code for the man-machine flexis keyboard is on the site and its GNU |
| 22:17.10 | TheMasterMind1 | wassup |
| 22:17.14 | TheMasterMind1 | just got my learners permit |
| 22:17.16 | TheMasterMind1 | =) |
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| 22:18.44 | cmartin | mickeyl: Kontodaten gerade geschickt ;) |
| 22:18.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nice |
| 22:19.27 | mickeyl | cmartin: ok |
| 22:20.05 | cmartin | mickeyl: OT do you have a good tip for me about learning python? |
| 22:20.36 | mickeyl | cmartin: sure. but first the important question: is it your first programming language? |
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| 22:21.17 | cmartin | mickeyl: well, if you call PHP a programming language then no |
| 22:21.37 | ociocio | cmartin: as long as you dont know basic |
| 22:21.55 | zar | hey, I started with basic in 81 :P |
| 22:22.15 | cmartin | ociocio: i ahven't seen any basic since highschool |
| 22:22.28 | cmartin | s/ haven't |
| 22:22.32 | mickeyl | cmartin: hardly... anyway, i trust you to grasp the basic concept with the online documentation. further stuff can be learned by reading Mark Lutz: "Programming Python 2nd edition" (OReilly) |
| 22:22.41 | ociocio | i used the ti-85 basic in highschool |
| 22:23.06 | mickeyl | cmartin: and if you are an expert, you should buy Michael Lauer: Python and GUI-Toolkits, MITP. |
| 22:23.11 | mickeyl | :D |
| 22:23.16 | zar | php 5 will be at least. |
| 22:23.33 | treke | zar: I'm fearing trying to port our current app to it :p |
| 22:23.38 | ociocio | php is based on/used perl right? |
| 22:23.48 | kergoth | I still consider php, python, perl to be scripting tools, but i still consider them programming languages |
| 22:23.49 | cmartin | mickeyl: i have worked through some of those online tutorials already - i just need to get a bit further |
| 22:23.50 | ociocio | s/used/uses |
| 22:23.52 | zar | treke be affraid, be very affraid. |
| 22:24.00 | treke | ociocio: Dont think it's ever been based on perl |
| 22:24.09 | noidd | perl > all |
| 22:24.32 | ociocio | is php its own thing then? |
| 22:24.32 | kergoth | perl > lotsofstuffbutnotnecessarilyall |
| 22:24.38 | treke | ociocio: yes |
| 22:24.43 | noidd | :-) |
| 22:25.02 | bipolar | I've found a script that can read my mind! |
| 22:25.02 | cmartin | ociocio: see http://www.php.net |
| 22:25.02 | bipolar | echo "You hate `date +"%A"`s" |
| 22:25.13 | zar | you can do some really cools stuff in python, I just finnished a single pass, muiltible regex parser to convert a datbase |
| 22:25.16 | kergoth | bipolar: hehe |
| 22:25.22 | treke | kergoth: It works for things that are a bit more involved than simple scripts |
| 22:25.25 | kergoth | i should put that in my .bashrc |
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| 22:25.40 | kergoth | `date +%A` sucks. |
| 22:26.08 | zar | treke, ive wrote some awesome socket code for php one of them is getting published soon. |
| 22:26.26 | treke | zar: cool |
| 22:27.57 | kergoth | I think i'm cursed to always select the absolute worst possible test case |
| 22:28.38 | ociocio | kernel rpm's dude? |
| 22:28.59 | kergoth | testing the OE infrastructure's ability to do a build based on the metadata stored in a source rpm |
| 22:29.31 | kergoth | and that was the only src.rpm i had laying around |
| 22:29.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:29.38 | ociocio | ok, ill let you off with just a warning this time |
| 22:29.50 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:29.57 | ociocio | and the warning is "rpm's break things" |
| 22:30.41 | kergoth | my warning is "installs outside the package management system will always end up a large maintainance pain in the ass." |
| 22:30.57 | treke | kergoth: beat me to it :p |
| 22:31.04 | ociocio | i like to format every 6 months anyway |
| 22:31.11 | kergoth | heh, windows user |
| 22:31.29 | ociocio | my main box had a cpu crisis |
| 22:31.55 | treke | kergoth: kernels are actually the only things I willingly bypass the package manager for |
| 22:32.22 | treke | mainly since they are so more or less self contained packages |
| 22:32.23 | kergoth | treke: same. if the kernel buildsystem could make a .spec that didnt suck, i might just use 'make rpm'.. but since it does.. |
| 22:32.46 | treke | make-kpackage always seemed to be more trouble than it was worth |
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| 22:32.52 | mickeyl | must sleep - g'night fellows |
| 22:32.59 | kergoth | night mickey |
| 22:33.39 | kergoth | treke: particularly since adding new kernel patches is a bitch |
| 22:33.59 | kergoth | at least if you want to integrate em |
| 22:34.05 | kergoth | like the way teh debian alsa and nvidia packages |
| 22:34.13 | kergoth | s/$/ work/ |
| 22:34.20 | kergoth | brb |
| 22:34.44 | treke | I completly circumvent debian for the kernel. Only thing I use is update-grub :p |
| 22:34.55 | kergoth | i love update-grub |
| 22:35.00 | kergoth | i missed it so much going to redhat |
| 22:35.13 | kergoth | "wait, you mean i have to add all these kernels and options MANUALLY? you're kidding, right?" |
| 22:35.16 | kergoth | k brb |
| 22:35.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:35.19 | treke | if there is one thing that is more of a maintanance nightmare than completly ignoring the package manager. it's partly ignoring the package manager |
| 22:35.31 | treke | kergoth: In their defense, they do it as part of the postinst script |
| 22:35.50 | treke | so when you stay within the system you dont have to update it |
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| 22:41.28 | kergoth | ah, cool |
| 22:41.34 | kergoth | so its just not condusive to hacking |
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| 22:47.36 | ociocio | aside from having the proper (patched) orioco/spectrum24 drivers loaded, is there anything special that needs to be done for to upload the firmware to the socket wlan card? |
| 22:47.44 | kergoth | nope |
| 22:47.52 | kergoth | it does it on its own when necessary |
| 22:48.07 | TheMasterMind1 | ociocio: no. thats what the socket patch does |
| 22:48.41 | mewyn | iesh. |
| 22:48.57 | mithro | hey kergoth |
| 22:50.25 | kergoth | hmmm, the rpm -bi on the kenrel rpm installed the modules into the D dir, but not hte kernel proper |
| 22:50.28 | kergoth | interesting |
| 22:51.26 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh, new cdrecord in unstable |
| 22:54.42 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: Have you been doing more work on 2.4.18? |
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| 23:01.12 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: no, not really |
| 23:01.15 | TheMasterMind1 | i gave up |
| 23:01.19 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: can i push to bk yet |
| 23:01.47 | TheMasterMind1 | i know where the problem is, collie_sharp.o causes kernel not to boot, but dunno how to debug. |
| 23:01.52 | TheMasterMind1 | might try it again sometime |
| 23:02.00 | TheMasterMind1 | got a bit busy with some other stuff |
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| 23:08.03 | andersee | TheMasterMind1: what does collie_sharp.o do? |
| 23:10.21 | TheMasterMind1 | its a driver for the flash chip in the zaurus |
| 23:10.34 | TheMasterMind1 | with the newer mtd from cvs, it causes the kernel not to boot |
| 23:12.08 | kergoth | files += [ "%s/%s" % (file,x) for x in os.listdir(file) ] |
| 23:12.11 | kergoth | god i love python |
| 23:15.21 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: :) |
| 23:15.23 | djr | i should write my sysinfo script in python, too |
| 23:15.28 | djr | instead of just perl |
| 23:15.45 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ever used ruby? |
| 23:15.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nope |
| 23:16.20 | TheMasterMind1 | you should try it |
| 23:16.22 | TheMasterMind1 | damn sexy language |
| 23:16.26 | TheMasterMind1 | object orientation done right |
| 23:17.05 | djr | albeit slow |
| 23:21.19 | slowhog | I think Ruby performs OK in general, at least I cannot tell the difference for some simple programs. :-P |
| 23:34.53 | mewyn | ARGH! |
| 23:34.57 | mewyn | i hate sourceforge |
| 23:37.28 | treke | there is an oe devel list? |
| 23:37.39 | kergoth | yep, theres an oe users list too |
| 23:37.45 | treke | link? |
| 23:37.47 | kergoth | i think |
| 23:37.50 | kergoth | theres a bklogs list as well |
| 23:37.57 | kergoth | but i cant email from behidn ti's firewall, so its pretty quiet |
| 23:38.05 | kergoth | hop over to the openembedded SF project page |
| 23:38.10 | kergoth | we're hosting openembedded.* there |
| 23:38.22 | treke | source forge must hate |
| 23:38.33 | treke | you |
| 23:38.53 | kergoth | heh, yeah, i dont use shit for their services other than web hosting |
| 23:38.53 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:39.01 | kergoth | and once we find a better bug tracker, thats all we'll be using |
| 23:40.20 | treke | kergoth: we really need to prune the archives |
| 23:40.33 | treke | kergoth: 1.6 gig is a bit excessive |
| 23:40.47 | kergoth | yeah, i doubt anyone would miss most of our old binary ipks |
| 23:40.50 | kergoth | .. |
| 23:41.48 | treke | I'd say dump the older unstable trees, and maybe anything pre 3 |
| 23:44.08 | kergoth | yeah, thatd work |
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| 23:57.28 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 23:58.04 | chouimat | hi |