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| 01:21.35 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 02:15.10 | chouuimat|Zzzz | night |
| 02:35.47 | TheMasterMind1 | w00t |
| 02:35.51 | TheMasterMind1 | .18 boots |
| 02:45.18 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: on what? |
| 02:46.03 | TheMasterMind1 | collie |
| 02:46.11 | chouimat|Zzzz | 5000D? |
| 02:46.32 | TheMasterMind1 | 5500 |
| 02:46.35 | TheMasterMind1 | either one will work |
| 02:46.56 | chouimat|Zzzz | good will check that tomorrow before loosing my access |
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| 02:56.52 | noda | Moo! |
| 02:57.47 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
| 02:58.37 | noda | Were any of you aware that the nautilus cd-burning thingy "just works?" :) |
| 02:58.43 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 02:58.47 | TheMasterMind1 | gnome2++ |
| 02:58.51 | noda | Hell yeah! |
| 02:58.57 | noda | You can change screen resolution now, too. |
| 02:59.00 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 02:59.01 | TheMasterMind1 | impressive |
| 02:59.03 | noda | (properly, I mean -- i.e., panel gets resized) |
| 02:59.07 | noda | And refresh rate! |
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| 03:22.32 | TheMasterMind1 | argh |
| 03:22.36 | TheMasterMind1 | my Z wont' boot with this kernel |
| 03:22.37 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
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| 03:41.39 | noda | Say you had an HTML file with some tags in it you wanted obliterated completely, even if they spanned multiple lines. You have just one command to type -- what would it be? :P |
| 03:43.56 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:45.07 | noda | I guess it'd be easy if I could figure out how to get perl to read the whole file all at once (and not just one line) -- I know so little Perl! |
| 03:45.45 | scanline | if you're using the <> operator, it reads one line in a scalar context and the whole file in a list context |
| 03:46.08 | noda | list context? You lost me :) |
| 03:46.24 | scanline | in perl, expression evaluation is sort of context sensitive |
| 03:46.36 | scanline | if something expects a scalar, the result can be different than if it expects a list |
| 03:47.25 | scanline | I think there are scalar() and list() function-like-thingies to explicitly specify the context |
| 03:47.31 | scanline | been a while since I've actually programmed in perl :) |
| 03:47.34 | noda | Okay, say it expects stdin? :P |
| 03:47.45 | scanline | ? |
| 03:47.50 | scanline | show me an example of what you're doing |
| 03:47.53 | fragglettttttttt | yay for python |
| 03:48.08 | scanline | yeah.. python is the reason I haven't done perl in ages :) |
| 03:48.24 | noda | scanline: Sure. I've got a bunch of SVG files, and they have some stupid 4-line tags in them, <a:midPointStop\nproperties...\nproperties\nproperties /> |
| 03:48.51 | noda | I wanna go, say, for i in `find . -name *.svg`; do get_rid_of_those_tags; done |
| 03:49.02 | scanline | why aren't you using a real XML parser? |
| 03:49.14 | noda | Because I want a one-liner :) |
| 03:49.29 | noda | I don't want to actually have to UNDERSTAND the files, this is a one-time thing :) |
| 03:49.33 | scanline | you'd be surprised... |
| 03:49.40 | noda | Whoever wrote them wrote them in Illustrator but they're in sodipodi now :) |
| 03:49.44 | scanline | with minidom in python you could probably do this the proper way in one line |
| 03:49.48 | noda | Nah, they all have exactly the same format. |
| 03:49.51 | noda | lol |
| 03:50.03 | noda | Okay, I want 1 line under 200 characters :P |
| 03:50.09 | scanline | right |
| 03:50.11 | noda | Including the "for i in `...`" :P |
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| 04:01.10 | noda | Bah, I made a 3-line perl script and can pipe stuff to it :) |
| 04:02.09 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 04:06.03 | noda | Sweeeeet! :) |
| 04:08.11 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:08.38 | noda | I always love doing something in 15 minutes, especially at work where other people would have taken all day for the same thing :P |
| 04:09.08 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 04:09.45 | noda | I've had to explain to someone who had just spent like 4 hours sorting through thousands of pages of report data that I can find a way to do the same thing in under 10 minutes... |
| 04:14.27 | noda | Holy crap, must be a lot of SVG icons! My diff is 1.7 meg big :) |
| 04:16.26 | noda | WOW! bzip2 compresses the whole thing to 56k :) |
| 04:20.02 | TheMasterMind1 | it IS text |
| 04:21.33 | noda | hehehe, not only that but it's a bunch of the exact same thing: - <a:midPointStop blah blah blah :) |
| 04:34.17 | beattie | TheMasterMind1: have you gotten the 2.4.18 console working? |
| 04:34.43 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 04:34.46 | TheMasterMind1 | i found the option needed |
| 04:35.05 | TheMasterMind1 | CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y |
| 04:35.36 | beattie | obviously |
| 04:36.19 | beattie | is 2.4.18 going into the buildroot? |
| 04:36.30 | TheMasterMind1 | its already in |
| 04:36.34 | TheMasterMind1 | i added it today afternoon |
| 04:36.38 | TheMasterMind1 | haven't pushed yet |
| 04:36.42 | TheMasterMind1 | trying to get it to actually boot |
| 04:36.45 | TheMasterMind1 | its not mounting the rootfs |
| 04:36.59 | beattie | details, details |
| 04:37.13 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 04:37.35 | beattie | getting it to actually work :) |
| 04:37.43 | TheMasterMind1 | oh haha |
| 04:39.57 | beattie | I noticed that kergoth's 2.4.19 had some stuff in the CMDLINE |
| 04:40.44 | TheMasterMind1 | so? |
| 04:41.01 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 04:41.02 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:41.30 | beattie | I have not idea if anyof that will work, jave not looked at that part |
| 04:41.58 | TheMasterMind1 | what is the rootfs |
| 04:42.03 | TheMasterMind1 | mtdblockX |
| 04:42.05 | TheMasterMind1 | what is the X |
| 04:43.02 | beattie | don't know, I'd have to look at the kernel sources kergoth may have an idea |
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| 04:54.16 | beattie | the string mtdblockX does not accure in the kernel, I'm looking for mtdblcok |
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| 05:05.50 | beattie | hmmmm, I enable CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE and it don't boot... well I guess I'll deal with it tomorrow |
| 05:11.33 | cyn | he meant which mtdblock is the root :P |
| 05:11.53 | cyn | if I had an install of OZ i'd just give ya the answer from mount |
| 05:12.19 | cyn | I wanna say 2 or 3 but that does you no good, of course |
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| 05:15.28 | Ociocio | anyone know if sd cards can be used as a mmc card in familiar? |
| 05:16.22 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 05:16.23 | TheMasterMind1 | they can't |
| 05:17.06 | Ociocio | hrm, any idea if ipaq oz will support sd? |
| 05:17.22 | TheMasterMind1 | it won't |
| 05:17.41 | Ociocio | will it support mmc? |
| 05:18.36 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 05:18.50 | Ociocio | i suppose that works |
| 05:22.35 | Ociocio | good thing i didnt buy that 256mb sd card i was eyeing |
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| 05:23.23 | cyn | so there's a driver for reading mmc but not for sd for linux on the ipaqs |
| 05:24.16 | Ociocio | cyn: the only reason the zaurus can read sd is because they can use the binary sharp driver |
| 05:24.26 | scanline | hmm.. is bkbits.net down for anyone else? |
| 05:24.27 | Ociocio | stupid closed standards |
| 05:25.15 | Ociocio | scanline: yes |
| 05:25.21 | scanline | grr... |
| 05:25.44 | cyn | Ociocio: right, but I don't see mmc as being any easier |
| 05:26.06 | Ociocio | cyn: mmc drivers can be open sourced |
| 05:26.16 | cyn | ah that makes sense |
| 05:26.23 | cyn | sd is all "NO OUR IP" |
| 05:26.31 | cyn | mmc is like "man, we're dead. go for it." |
| 05:26.40 | cyn | :P |
| 05:27.42 | beattie | I think mmc was always an open standard |
| 05:28.10 | Ociocio | seems to me that a company/consortium would encourage people to make drivers for their products ... o well, since pocket pc is really bad its a fair trade |
| 05:28.13 | Ociocio | for me at least |
| 05:28.28 | beattie | gotta go buy a Harry Potter book |
| 05:29.17 | Thelonious | what is the difference between mmc and sd |
| 05:29.19 | Ociocio | beattie: i was listening to bbc ws, there was a speed reading contest where some girl read it (768 pg) in 1.5hr |
| 05:29.33 | Ociocio | Thelonious: copy protection |
| 05:29.51 | Thelonious | how does the sd acheive that? |
| 05:30.17 | Ociocio | Thelonious: its based on proven security concepts used in dvd |
| 05:30.32 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 05:30.33 | TheMasterMind1 | proven?" |
| 05:30.37 | TheMasterMind1 | dvdcss was hacked |
| 05:30.40 | Ociocio | i know |
| 05:30.53 | Ociocio | "Offers cryptographic security for copyrighted data based on proven security concepts. |
| 05:30.59 | Ociocio | from sandisk.com |
| 05:31.16 | Ociocio | those concepts are based on the dvd crypto |
| 05:31.44 | Ociocio | Cryptographic security for copyrighted data based on proven security concepts from DVD audio" |
| 05:31.52 | Ociocio | maybe dvd audio is better |
| 05:32.52 | Thelonious | cool |
| 05:32.54 | TheMasterMind1 | no, its not |
| 05:33.01 | Thelonious | thanks for the explanation |
| 05:33.03 | TheMasterMind1 | sd is crap |
| 05:33.13 | TheMasterMind1 | the driver for the zaurus doesn't even support the security features |
| 05:33.29 | Ociocio | i know |
| 05:34.07 | Thelonious | TheMasterMind1, why would they even have an sd then/ |
| 05:34.12 | Ociocio | wow, sandisk is going to release a WiFi SDio card |
| 05:34.24 | TheMasterMind1 | yes, old news |
| 05:34.31 | TheMasterMind1 | and guess which binary driver won't support it |
| 05:34.34 | TheMasterMind1 | yep. thats the one. |
| 05:34.35 | Ociocio | its new to me |
| 05:34.48 | Ociocio | the z doesnt support any sdio akaik |
| 05:36.12 | Ociocio | s/akaik/afaik |
| 05:37.09 | Thelonious | heheh |
| 05:37.19 | Thelonious | man, that open simpad is sooooo coool |
| 05:40.15 | Ociocio | are there 256mb sd cards? |
| 05:40.20 | Ociocio | err mmc |
| 05:44.33 | TheMasterMind1 | dont thinkso |
| 05:44.55 | Ociocio | arg |
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| 11:47.23 | Piete | Hey guys |
| 11:47.31 | carsten | hi |
| 11:47.55 | Piete | I'm trying to run qpdf (from stable).. but I get |
| 11:47.55 | Piete | /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpdf: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:48.25 | Piete | when I try to upgrade that (from unstable), it won't |
| 11:52.00 | HCl | ibot, oz buildroot |
| 11:52.01 | | rumour has it, oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
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| 12:41.37 | Com[Plex] | I got a problem with oz, trying to install a game to my SD card using the aqpkg app, and even tho my dest is set to "SD" it says "now installing application to root" |
| 12:42.11 | Com[Plex] | other applicatiosn isntall fine to "sd" |
| 12:42.29 | Com[Plex] | also, when I aborted the instalation, it didnt clean up its files. |
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| 13:20.01 | nofpu | any reason ccache shouldnt work with arm x compiler? |
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| 15:24.17 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:43.10 | chouimat | grrr I'm loosing my internet connection and my computers tomorrow |
| 15:45.48 | HCl | gr |
| 15:45.54 | HCl | buildroot wont download |
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| 18:37.29 | beattie | is it just me, or is the bit keeper server down |
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| 18:38.16 | TheMasterMind1 | its down |
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| 18:56.59 | scanline | still? doh.... |
| 19:04.06 | chouimat|pack | http://rumandmonkey.com/news/ |
| 19:10.50 | chouimat|pack | http://rumandmonkey.com/widgets/tests/maniac/ |
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| 21:21.13 | Your | are there any testing images for ipaq 39xx? |
| 21:24.28 | carsten__ | http://www.handhelds.org/projects/h3900.html |
| 21:25.02 | treke|home | yeiazel: no |
| 21:25.12 | treke|home | ociocio: no |
| 21:25.21 | treke|home | no one has volunteered to test them yet |
| 21:28.23 | ociocio | anyone? seriously, wince is killing me |
| 21:28.45 | treke|home | If your willing to test them they can be made |
| 21:38.00 | ociocio | ill test them ... i cant code, but i can report |
| 21:38.17 | treke|home | then wait a few days and they will get done |
| 21:40.18 | ociocio | cool |
| 21:40.46 | ociocio | i figure, buggy linux > "stable" wince |
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| 22:34.33 | chouimat|pack | re |
| 22:48.32 | treke|home | ibot oz buildroot |
| 22:48.33 | | oz bk is probably bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 22:49.24 | treke|home | cool. bkbits isnt responding |
| 22:55.35 | scanline | yep... |
| 22:55.36 | scanline | oh wait |
| 22:55.57 | scanline | but then I can't just 'bk pull' to update |
| 22:57.02 | treke|home | maybe my work machine still has a repository on it |
| 22:57.17 | scanline | well, the snapshots were made every four hours... |
| 22:58.20 | treke|home | scanline: yes but as you said. can't push and pull from them |
| 22:59.20 | scanline | treke|home: but navi still has a copy of the repository that it exported those snapshots from |
| 23:01.06 | treke|home | thats good enough |
| 23:01.56 | scanline | well, this could be useful anyway |
| 23:23.03 | treke|home | bleh |
| 23:23.45 | treke|home | mtd wont build |
| 23:24.10 | pb_ | suck |
| 23:24.18 | treke|home | oh well |
| 23:24.22 | treke|home | no 3900 images tonight |
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