| 00:00.03 | kergoth | linuX torvalds? |
| 00:00.04 | kergoth | k |
| 00:00.07 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 00:00.09 | Neo|Work | note the typo |
| 00:00.21 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa.. why is agupta online |
| 00:00.38 | TheMasterMind1 | much better. |
| 00:06.08 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 00:06.11 | TheMasterMind1 | why is the toolchain dir empty |
| 00:06.25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: which toolchains should i use |
| 00:07.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:07.25 | kergoth | build one :) |
| 00:07.27 | kergoth | or use an old one |
| 00:07.46 | TheMasterMind1 | slacker. |
| 00:08.02 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess i'll build one |
| 00:08.25 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot bitkeeper download |
| 00:08.26 | | TheMasterMind1: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 00:08.30 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot bitkeeper |
| 00:08.31 | | bitkeeper is probably at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ or at http://www.bitmover.com/ or hosted trees at http://www.bkbits.net/ or like cvs and subversion, but its non-opensource.. but its really good, even linus uses it to develop the kernel! |
| 00:08.35 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot bk download |
| 00:08.36 | | bk download is, like, at http://www.bitmover.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi |
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| 00:08.56 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh, i hate how you have to put in an email and shit |
| 00:09.05 | TheMasterMind1 | pos |
| 00:09.48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: thanks |
| 00:10.49 | Neo|Work | "What kind of computer is used at the WSDOT TSMC? |
| 00:10.49 | Neo|Work | The main computer of the TSMC is a Digital VAX 6420 minicomputer. It has about 5 gigabytes of hard-disk storage, 128 megabytes of RAM, two 32-bit CPU's, and 128 communication ports. Each communication port can communicate to 8 field cabinets. " |
| 00:10.50 | Neo|Work | har har |
| 00:11.08 | Neo|Work | and it's probably huge |
| 00:12.05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: np |
| 00:13.10 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 00:14.13 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz bk |
| 00:14.14 | | it has been said that oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
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| 00:17.12 | zar | antone know the difference between the 700 and the 760 besides more ram? |
| 00:17.34 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you removed my ssh key from bk right? |
| 00:17.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: afaik yeah, let me doublecheck |
| 00:17.58 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm, i need those cool bash functions.. bkpush and what not |
| 00:18.13 | kergoth | yeah, i removed it |
| 00:18.20 | kergoth | from oz, let me check linux-cl |
| 00:19.01 | TheMasterMind1 | k, lemme make a new one |
| 00:19.08 | TheMasterMind1 | as soon as i figure out how |
| 00:19.31 | kergoth | you want to hack on the 2.4.19 collie tree? i need a volunteer to finish up some if its little bugs |
| 00:19.50 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, i'll work on some stuff |
| 00:20.21 | TheMasterMind1 | and do you happen to have those bash functions? bkpush and bkci |
| 00:21.48 | kergoth | ill just email you my bashrc |
| 00:21.48 | kergoth | hold |
| 00:21.54 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds good |
| 00:24.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: sent. |
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| 00:24.28 | noda | Moo! |
| 00:24.33 | kergoth | hey noda. |
| 00:24.42 | noda | Anything exciting happening? :) |
| 00:24.46 | kergoth | nah |
| 00:24.47 | noda | How's the job? |
| 00:24.59 | kergoth | good |
| 00:25.07 | kergoth | getting sick of build stuff though :) |
| 00:25.16 | noda | At the job you mean? Or OE? :) |
| 00:25.25 | Thelonius | kergoth, then start breaking some of the stuff you build |
| 00:25.25 | Thelonius | :) |
| 00:25.29 | kergoth | noda: both |
| 00:25.36 | noda | Hehehe |
| 00:25.37 | kergoth | noda: so you can see why i'm getting sick of it :) |
| 00:25.43 | noda | What are you working on at TI now? :) |
| 00:25.53 | kergoth | spiffy stuff |
| 00:25.57 | Neo|Work | build stuff? :) |
| 00:26.05 | noda | kergoth: I know what you mean, I'm doing two projects simultaneously at work, and my contract I was talking about before, and all three involve the exact... same... stuff. |
| 00:26.06 | kergoth | i'm under nda on the project as a whole, but i'm doing build work |
| 00:26.08 | Neo|Work | so.. shiny build stuff? |
| 00:26.17 | noda | Oh, boo to nda's in general :) |
| 00:26.22 | kergoth | agreed |
| 00:26.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:26.26 | TheMasterMind1 | i should compile on our new school servers.. we got two penguin computing relion 230's or something.. dual 2.6ghz xeon's with HT and 6 200mb ides hardware raided to give 1tb storage, and two or three gigs of ram |
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| 00:26.34 | TheMasterMind1 | insane machines.. we got two |
| 00:26.36 | kergoth | yeah, the build stuff is very shiny. you guys are gonna love the new infrastructure |
| 00:26.36 | noda | That said, I've always wanted to be under NDA, just so I could say: "I'm under NDA, can't talk about that." :) |
| 00:26.41 | Neo|Work | kergoth: got any plans on internet at home yet? |
| 00:26.44 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: haha, i said that a couple weeks ago too |
| 00:26.49 | noda | lol |
| 00:27.03 | kergoth | Neo|Work: well, the plan is, i'm going to get off my ass and call the cable company |
| 00:27.09 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 00:27.10 | TheMasterMind1 | damn slow sf cvs! |
| 00:27.15 | Neo|Work | I can't imagine how you can survive |
| 00:27.24 | Neo|Work | I'd call and set it up BEFORE I moved, if I could |
| 00:27.26 | kergoth | Neo|Work: my house has nothing in it. i spend a fair bit of time at work |
| 00:27.33 | kergoth | Neo|Work: didnt bring my tv, no radio.. |
| 00:27.34 | Neo|Work | I get all weird when I have a computer w/o a network |
| 00:27.35 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Man, we need faster servers at work! We've got a pretty generous budget but our SQL server is only like a dual Athlon MP 1800 or something. |
| 00:27.56 | kergoth | shit |
| 00:28.04 | kergoth | i completely spaced out my haircut appointment at 6 |
| 00:28.08 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:28.18 | noda | kergoth: What's your time zone, GMT-7? |
| 00:28.32 | kergoth | -6 |
| 00:28.38 | noda | Oh, wow, you spaced out a LOT :) |
| 00:28.42 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:28.51 | kergoth | yeah, i shouldve left work at 5, not 7:30 |
| 00:28.55 | kergoth | and i havfent left yet |
| 00:28.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:29.06 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, well i selected toolchain building |
| 00:29.09 | TheMasterMind1 | lets see if it works |
| 00:29.11 | TheMasterMind1 | bbiaf, dinner |
| 00:29.14 | kergoth | dont forget glibc |
| 00:29.19 | noda | kergoth: So, when are we gonna see this exciting new infrastructure? :) |
| 00:29.20 | kergoth | otehrwise it'll only build gcc pass 1 |
| 00:29.24 | kergoth | noda: its available now |
| 00:29.35 | kergoth | noda: only has glibc and ipkg for package build info |
| 00:29.47 | noda | Oh, okay, I knew about THAT :) |
| 00:29.52 | noda | Well, not that ipkg is there too :) |
| 00:30.07 | noda | I'm all proud -- just yesterday I finally managed to get wxPython working with GTK+-2.0 :) |
| 00:30.13 | noda | I'm ready to learn Python! :) |
| 00:30.56 | kergoth | nice |
| 00:30.59 | kergoth | python = spiffy |
| 00:31.34 | kergoth | if you want to learn, help me with the buildsystem :) |
| 00:31.46 | kergoth | there isnt much left to do, really |
| 00:31.53 | kergoth | we still need a gui config interface :) |
| 00:32.01 | noda | I was figuring it'd be a nice place to learn. Unfortunately, I'm swamped as it is :( |
| 00:32.04 | noda | kergoth: In wxPython? :P |
| 00:32.10 | noda | (I got it working, I might as well USE it) |
| 00:32.10 | kergoth | i want it modular |
| 00:32.18 | kergoth | so we'll have a few config options |
| 00:32.19 | noda | Oh, you mean you want something half-decent :) |
| 00:32.25 | kergoth | i want it to *behave* like linuxkenrelconf |
| 00:32.30 | kergoth | oldconfig, menuconfig, xconfig, gconfig |
| 00:32.42 | noda | ...except you want it to suck less, right? |
| 00:32.44 | kergoth | but it'll not only pull the config.in data, but also our package metadata from the .oe's |
| 00:32.51 | kergoth | i dont care about sucking less |
| 00:32.58 | kergoth | i just wnat to be able to select our damn packages |
| 00:33.02 | kergoth | without needing config.in's for them all |
| 00:33.05 | noda | Hehehe |
| 00:35.11 | noda | I just did a bk pull... where are the .oe files? |
| 00:35.44 | kergoth | ibot: oz snapshot |
| 00:35.45 | | methinks oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 00:35.49 | kergoth | noda: seperate repos |
| 00:35.52 | kergoth | noda: grab 'packages' too |
| 00:35.54 | noda | Oh sweet! |
| 00:36.02 | kergoth | our package metadata is independent from the buildsystem proper |
| 00:36.09 | kergoth | which is the way we shouldve done the old system :) |
| 00:36.17 | noda | ibot oe bk |
| 00:36.18 | | from memory, oe bk is bk clone http://openembedded.bkbits.net/oe oe;cd oe; bk -r co -q |
| 00:37.14 | noda | kergoth: What's the bk thing you meant for me to download? I've got 'oe' and 'packages' now... |
| 00:37.26 | kergoth | okay |
| 00:37.27 | kergoth | cd oe |
| 00:37.30 | kergoth | export OEDIR=`pwd` |
| 00:37.32 | kergoth | cd ../packages |
| 00:37.44 | kergoth | $OEDIR/bin/oebuild package content/glibc-2.3.1.oe |
| 00:37.46 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:38.08 | noda | Ooh fun :) |
| 00:38.23 | andersee | kergoth: is the snapshot the source, or binaries? |
| 00:38.26 | noda | FATAL: put something like BUILD_ARCH='i686' into ${OEDIR}/conf/local.conf |
| 00:38.36 | noda | Strangely enough, that's the first line of ${OEDIR}/conf/local.conf |
| 00:38.40 | kergoth | andersee: source. snapshot of the build env |
| 00:38.53 | kergoth | noda: move local.conf into the packages/conf dir instead |
| 00:39.03 | kergoth | noda: i forgot, it prefers local in the metadata area |
| 00:39.24 | noda | Cool, it's wgetting :) |
| 00:39.42 | andersee | kergoth: gotcha. Anything new/interesting? I installed oz 3.2 onto my Z this afternoon |
| 00:39.44 | noda | God damn, ftp.gnu.org is fast. |
| 00:39.55 | noda | 9050K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 52% @ 666.67 KB/s |
| 00:40.04 | andersee | didn't used to be there |
| 00:40.18 | noda | andersee: Yeah, sweet, eh? Doesn't require a restart of Opie :) |
| 00:40.34 | kergoth | did 3.2 have on the fly, or was that later? /me cant even remember when half this stuff happened anymore |
| 00:40.46 | kergoth | andersee: knee deep in buildsystems lately, havent spent much time on the distro proper |
| 00:40.46 | andersee | It has it |
| 00:41.16 | andersee | kergoth: I understand you got perl to cross compile... What sortof violence did that take? |
| 00:41.32 | noda | Shdwdrgn: patcher: command not found |
| 00:41.34 | andersee | err. grab |
| 00:41.35 | noda | What's "patcher"? |
| 00:42.12 | kergoth | andersee: oh not i.. 'noidd' did it, though i forget his real name offhand |
| 00:42.20 | kergoth | andersee: he now maintains the cross area in perl cvs |
| 00:42.27 | kergoth | andersee: i gave up when i tried the cross build myself :) |
| 00:42.33 | zar | lol |
| 00:42.36 | kergoth | noda: its in buildroot/scripts |
| 00:42.43 | kergoth | noda: its a tool for managing patches |
| 00:42.50 | noda | You mean oz-buildroot? |
| 00:42.53 | zar | anyone runnin a 760 with oz yet? |
| 00:42.53 | kergoth | noda: yep |
| 00:43.11 | noda | Okay :) |
| 00:43.12 | kergoth | noda: note, you'll want to add your toolchain bin dir to the path, it doesnt do it automatically like buildroot did, yet |
| 00:43.24 | kergoth | so export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin or whatever |
| 00:43.30 | noda | *** These critical programs are missing or too old: gcc |
| 00:43.38 | kergoth | bingo |
| 00:43.39 | noda | oh, lol! :) |
| 00:43.42 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:43.58 | noda | Um... would 3.2 be okay? Only toolchain I've got :) |
| 00:44.01 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:44.08 | noda | Trying yet again :) |
| 00:44.11 | kergoth | er this is glibc 2.3, it wouldnt build with 2.9x anyway |
| 00:44.14 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:44.16 | noda | Great :) |
| 00:44.27 | noda | checking installed Linux kernel header files... TOO OLD! |
| 00:44.39 | kergoth | oh, do an oebuild package on the kernel-headers .oe |
| 00:44.40 | noda | Should I work on another .oe file first? |
| 00:44.41 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:44.43 | noda | Okay cool :) |
| 00:45.00 | kergoth | i should really add kenrel-headers to DEPENDS of glibc so that oemake will build em in the right order |
| 00:45.21 | noda | Damn, an error you *can't* help me with: www.uclibc.org: Host not found. |
| 00:45.28 | noda | (a retry worked though!) |
| 00:45.37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:45.53 | noda | Hey neat, it's actually working! :) |
| 00:46.04 | noda | A lot less troublesome than the last buildroot :) |
| 00:46.14 | kergoth | look at how clean the glibc .oe is |
| 00:46.18 | kergoth | compared to the glibc makefile in buildroot |
| 00:46.19 | noda | (I had the worst luck with that thing, as you may or may not remember) |
| 00:46.38 | noda | That's IT? Rock on! |
| 00:46.44 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:46.49 | kergoth | nice & clean eh? |
| 00:47.11 | noda | Shouldn't the "FILES=" thing have a lot more files in it though? |
| 00:47.23 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:47.28 | kergoth | havent added em all yet |
| 00:47.29 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:47.33 | noda | Okay. |
| 00:47.48 | noda | Why --enable-kernel=2.4.6? |
| 00:48.03 | kergoth | if you change inherit package to inherit package package_tarball, it'll build a libc6 tarball with FILES_libc6's files in it |
| 00:48.06 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:48.08 | kergoth | no package_ipk yet |
| 00:48.15 | TheMasterMind1 | oh beh |
| 00:48.20 | TheMasterMind1 | i forgot to set the path for the new compiler |
| 00:48.21 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit |
| 00:48.24 | kergoth | i need to adjust things so that i can exert control over inherits from the environment |
| 00:48.25 | noda | Sweet :) |
| 00:48.34 | TheMasterMind1 | where do you set that anyway |
| 00:48.34 | kergoth | so that i can make every package output a tarball without editing every file :) |
| 00:48.58 | noda | You mean, default "everything"? |
| 00:49.44 | kergoth | yeah, there's no way to exert global control over inherits atm |
| 00:49.54 | noda | Ah |
| 00:49.58 | kergoth | i mean, you could add inherits package_tarball in base.oeclass.. since every package loads base.. |
| 00:50.07 | kergoth | but still, thats a file you have to edit when you shouldnt |
| 00:50.13 | noda | The .oe files are shell scripts, right? |
| 00:50.17 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 00:50.17 | kergoth | nope |
| 00:50.20 | chouimat|away | kergoth: make source? |
| 00:50.21 | kergoth | but the functions in them often are |
| 00:50.29 | noda | Okay |
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| 00:50.33 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:50.34 | kergoth | chouimat|away: oebuild fetch blah.oe ~= make sources |
| 00:50.39 | noda | How does *that* work? Python recognizes what are functions? |
| 00:50.42 | TheMasterMind1 | i remember old buildroot where everything was a bash script.. |
| 00:50.49 | kergoth | noda: yep, we have a .oe parser |
| 00:50.56 | kergoth | noda: check out test/pythoncode* |
| 00:50.58 | noda | Awesome. This is very gentoo-ish, right? |
| 00:50.58 | kergoth | noda: in packages |
| 00:51.06 | chouimat|away | kergoth: current buildroot? |
| 00:51.08 | kergoth | noda: python functions supported too :) |
| 00:51.13 | kergoth | chouimat|away: current is make sources |
| 00:51.22 | kergoth | noda: yes, we're based on ebuild & friends |
| 00:51.30 | kergoth | noda: only we support crosscompilation, and its more flexible adn extensible |
| 00:51.31 | noda | Fun :) |
| 00:51.38 | noda | And simple? :) |
| 00:51.51 | kergoth | yeah. portage just sources the .ebuilds into shell |
| 00:51.56 | kergoth | i dont like that, prone to failure |
| 00:52.03 | kergoth | and less flexible, limited to bash's parsing |
| 00:52.09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: never got that email you sent |
| 00:52.19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hrm. ah, damn proxy |
| 00:52.32 | noda | Know what? I love OSS :) |
| 00:52.33 | TheMasterMind1 | what a stupid proxy |
| 00:52.44 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: OSS is nice, but i prefer sex |
| 00:52.49 | noda | Just one of those thoughts that comes to me from time to time. |
| 00:53.09 | noda | You're too young to have sex! :P |
| 00:53.22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i dunno, i think id prefer OSS if its an ugly fat chick |
| 00:53.33 | noda | lol |
| 00:53.45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/kergoth-bashrc |
| 00:53.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 00:54.16 | TheMasterMind1 | heh nice |
| 00:54.18 | kergoth | noda: OEFILES=content/ipkg-0.99.84.oe $OEDIR/bin/oemake |
| 00:54.32 | noda | kergoth: hehehe, wait 'til glibc finishes. It still hasn't failed! :) |
| 00:54.35 | kergoth | noda: that'll dump a warning that ipkg's dependency on glibc isnt satisfied :) |
| 00:54.38 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:54.46 | noda | Oh, heh. |
| 00:54.49 | noda | What if it is? :P |
| 00:55.00 | kergoth | OEFILES="content/glibc-2.3.1.oe content/ipkg-0.99.84.oe" $OEDIR/bin/oemake on the other hand.. |
| 00:55.06 | fragglettttt | hmm |
| 00:55.08 | kergoth | will build glibc, then ipkg. |
| 00:55.41 | noda | kergoth: Your 'update()' could use "[ -d .svn ] && echo Updating $i... && svn up; \ |
| 00:55.52 | kergoth | noda: hehe, yeah, that was a lame little hack to save me typing |
| 00:55.58 | noda | :) |
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| 00:56.05 | noda | You can put -dA in your .cvsrc too :) |
| 00:56.12 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: so does the new OE stuff keep old source dependencies or whatever. like if i want to build a oz3.1 |
| 00:56.15 | kergoth | -A isnt good in a .cvsrc |
| 00:56.19 | noda | Oh. |
| 00:56.21 | kergoth | particularly if you're on branches often |
| 00:56.26 | kergoth | -A will drop your ass back to head |
| 00:56.33 | kergoth | it kills sticky tags |
| 00:56.33 | TheMasterMind1 | mkdir -p /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/lib |
| 00:56.33 | TheMasterMind1 | mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/local/arm': File exists |
| 00:56.33 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.35 | TheMasterMind1 | !!!!! |
| 00:56.36 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid poc |
| 00:56.41 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:56.45 | TheMasterMind1 | why does it hate me |
| 00:56.55 | kergoth | sounds like /usr/local/arm is a file, not a dir |
| 00:56.55 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.57 | TheMasterMind1 | i set it |
| 00:56.57 | noda | Hey, guess what -- I've actually found a project that's hosted on svn! It's a slim, just-starting media player called 'quark' :) |
| 00:57.05 | TheMasterMind1 | i want it installing in /openzaurus/arm |
| 00:57.17 | kergoth | noda: picogui and CIA are in svn, afaik |
| 00:57.29 | noda | kergoth: CIA? Whassat? (and I refuse to google it, that'd be useless :P) |
| 00:57.34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: clean binutils, glibc, etc |
| 00:57.40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i did "make clean" |
| 00:57.42 | kergoth | noda: cvs/svn/bk commit monitoring bot |
| 00:57.44 | scanline | noda: and svn itself is in svn :) |
| 00:57.46 | kergoth | noda: /join #commits |
| 00:57.53 | kergoth | scanline: good call :) |
| 00:58.06 | noda | Oh yeah, forgot about that channel! Last time I checked it was broken |
| 00:58.07 | scanline | and a few little projects I used to work on... |
| 00:58.10 | noda | scanline: Hehehe, yep :) |
| 00:58.28 | noda | Oh, CIA is the monitoring thing, gotcha |
| 00:58.35 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: is it ccache doing it? |
| 00:58.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: shouldnt be.. hm |
| 00:59.00 | noda | scanline: Did you write CIA? :) |
| 00:59.01 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll clear it anyway |
| 00:59.12 | scanline | noda: mostly |
| 00:59.20 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i set where ccache stores its cache |
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| 00:59.29 | noda | scanline: Does it 'do' Mozilla? :) |
| 00:59.36 | TheMasterMind1 | ~/.ccache is nfs mount |
| 00:59.37 | | okay, TheMasterMind1 |
| 00:59.43 | scanline | I think TD was trying to make it do mozilla, but couldn't make it work right |
| 00:59.58 | noda | How does it work? Do you just have a program that goes 'cvs up' all over the place? |
| 01:00.00 | TheMasterMind1 | haha ibot |
| 01:00.11 | kergoth | ibot: forget .ccache |
| 01:00.11 | | kergoth: i didn't have anything called '.ccache' |
| 01:00.18 | kergoth | ibot: forget ~/.ccache |
| 01:00.18 | | kergoth: i didn't have anything called '~/.ccache' |
| 01:00.23 | kergoth | bah |
| 01:00.25 | scanline | noda: no... most of the projects involved add a script to their CVSROOT or equivalent that notifies the bot via email |
| 01:00.26 | kergoth | ibot: forget /.ccache |
| 01:00.28 | | i forgot /.ccache, kergoth |
| 01:00.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:00.32 | noda | Oh neat. |
| 01:00.40 | scanline | noda: a few of the projects are from little filter scripts that scrape data from cvs commit mailing lists |
| 01:00.45 | noda | Such a good idea, that channel :) |
| 01:01.01 | kergoth | noda: OZ and OE bk repositories send cia mails now too. |
| 01:01.08 | noda | Cool :) |
| 01:01.11 | scanline | apparently... it was just something TD and I threw together in a few hours, and it really exploded in popularity |
| 01:01.42 | noda | It's amazing that nobody thought of it before! Such a simple concept, but it's really a great thing for the entire community :) |
| 01:01.47 | scanline | I originally wrote it just for PicoGUI, then about a week later TD had the idea to make it collect data from as many projects as possible |
| 01:01.47 | kergoth | anything that'll let people be more lazy (read: dont have to run mutt to see commits) will be popular |
| 01:02.01 | TheMasterMind1 | declare -x CCACHE_DIR="/openzaurus/.ccache" |
| 01:02.03 | TheMasterMind1 | wonderful |
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| 01:02.22 | noda | Hehehe |
| 01:02.54 | noda | I'd say the concept is similar to freshmeat.net -- something that, sure, we could live without, but it's just so damned COOL :) |
| 01:03.20 | *** join/#openembedded TeaX (~tx@ppp-173-156.27-151.libero.it) |
| 01:03.24 | scanline | :) |
| 01:03.34 | scanline | noda: seen the web stat page interface thingy? |
| 01:03.37 | noda | And that website is BEAUTIFUL :) |
| 01:03.45 | noda | I love the "Most recent commits" :) |
| 01:03.45 | scanline | oh, guess you have :) |
| 01:03.46 | TheMasterMind1 | webstats? where at |
| 01:03.55 | noda | http://navi.picogui.org/cgi-bin/cia_stats.cgi |
| 01:04.00 | scanline | noda: it's from the Scanline School of CSS2 Smoke and Mirrors |
| 01:04.21 | noda | scanline: I love CSS :) |
| 01:04.25 | scanline | indeed |
| 01:04.43 | kergoth | hrm |
| 01:04.56 | noda | Does the bot also announce package commits on their channels? i.e., does #ankhsvn see commits from CIA? |
| 01:05.01 | kergoth | noda: so you like the new system eh? like it enough to write me a gui? |
| 01:05.07 | scanline | if you visit it in an old browser, it will just look like a normal table since the logarithmic bars are done with CSS2 classes applied to a <span> |
| 01:05.08 | kergoth | :D |
| 01:05.25 | noda | kergoth: rofl, I've never written a gui. Unless you count web interfaces, in which case the answer is NO WAY IN HELL I DO THAT WAY TOO MUCH AND I QUIT! :) |
| 01:05.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:05.40 | scanline | noda: you can tell the bot to join and part channels.. if it's in a channel with the same name as the project that's committing, it will send the commit to that channel |
| 01:05.50 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: dude, it keeps trying to install in /usr/local/arm |
| 01:05.50 | scanline | noda: will also send to channels of the form #projectname-commits |
| 01:05.56 | noda | Cool :) |
| 01:06.01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: weird. i've done installs to /opt before w/ no prob |
| 01:06.15 | TheMasterMind1 | it just hates me |
| 01:06.18 | TheMasterMind1 | poc |
| 01:06.23 | *** join/#openembedded yakito (ircap75@54.Red-80-33-197.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 01:06.51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: this is your motivation to add a toolchain build to the oe packages metadata repos |
| 01:06.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :D |
| 01:07.14 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:07.16 | TheMasterMind1 | is oe in bk too? |
| 01:07.22 | kergoth | openembedded.bkbits.net |
| 01:07.36 | kergoth | oe contains the core buildsystem, packages contains the package metadata |
| 01:09.10 | kergoth | it defaults to looking in /usr/share/oe for the oe data files.. so we can easily make some oe .debs and .rpms for installing into your dev boxen |
| 01:09.39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: screw it, i'm just going to symlink |
| 01:09.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:09.52 | kergoth | that wont work |
| 01:09.56 | kergoth | well |
| 01:10.00 | kergoth | it will, but never remove the link |
| 01:10.04 | kergoth | since it'll hardcode paths through it |
| 01:10.25 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:10.59 | TheMasterMind1 | lkjsdf |
| 01:11.18 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.22 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe its using that variable? |
| 01:11.30 | kergoth | could be |
| 01:12.16 | kergoth | ME:="${@os.popen('whoami').read().strip()}" |
| 01:12.21 | kergoth | i love python and OE |
| 01:12.42 | TheMasterMind1 | well, seing as CONFIG_USERCROSS is never used, i think it just might be |
| 01:12.43 | ljp_laptop | well, if you love it so much, why not marry it? |
| 01:13.01 | mewyn | anyone know a way to printout files in hex, much like most hex editors do? |
| 01:13.07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: oh, i think usercross isnt the path, but the prefix |
| 01:13.07 | TheMasterMind1 | then again, nor is TOOLCHAINPATH |
| 01:13.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i.e. arm-uclibc- |
| 01:13.20 | kergoth | toolchainpath is used. |
| 01:13.25 | kergoth | look in Vars.make |
| 01:13.32 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 01:13.33 | noda | mewyn: man xxd |
| 01:13.38 | TheMasterMind1 | what about USERCROSS then |
| 01:13.57 | kergoth | i think usercross is the prefix, not the path |
| 01:14.00 | kergoth | thats not what you need |
| 01:14.01 | mewyn | noda: thanks |
| 01:14.13 | mewyn | does that include offsets? |
| 01:14.19 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: oh, but still its installing to /usr/local/arm not /openzaurus/arm/usr/.. |
| 01:14.28 | andersee | kergoth: so what exactly is "micro libc edition"? |
| 01:14.31 | kergoth | mewyn: fyi, if you need a hex editor, bvi rocks. |
| 01:14.35 | noda | I never use it, but to my knowledge it includes *everything*, since it's been around forever :) |
| 01:14.41 | kergoth | andersee: hey dont ask me, i didnt add it to the system :) |
| 01:14.49 | kergoth | andersee: i wouldve swiped a description from uclibc.org |
| 01:14.50 | mewyn | bvi? |
| 01:14.51 | noda | I also have "ghex", which is a gnome hex editor :) |
| 01:14.59 | TheMasterMind1 | whatever, screw it. i'll symlink |
| 01:15.02 | kergoth | mewyn: hex editor with vi keybindings |
| 01:15.05 | kergoth | mewyn: :) |
| 01:15.13 | mewyn | that's good |
| 01:15.47 | noda | Why not use vi as your hex editor? :P |
| 01:15.57 | noda | (dunno if you can, but I can't imagine nobody's made it work yet) |
| 01:16.06 | andersee | kergoth: something like "uClibc (uClibc 0.9.19)" might be a bit more descriptive |
| 01:16.09 | mewyn | i just need to print the hex |
| 01:16.13 | noda | xxd |
| 01:16.24 | noda | xxd <file> -- done. |
| 01:16.28 | mewyn | i have to make sure all my offsets are right |
| 01:16.32 | noda | And I'll bet you've already got xxd installed :) |
| 01:17.39 | mewyn | yah |
| 01:17.59 | noda | Quick 'n easy :) |
| 01:18.57 | mewyn | granted i get the file |
| 01:20.01 | kergoth | hmm, roman didnt seem exactly enthusiastic about my suggestion of adding 'optional' as an option to the 'menu' block in linuxkernelconf |
| 01:20.40 | kergoth | guess i'll add it myself some day when i'm bored |
| 01:21.42 | ljp_laptop | no options! damn it |
| 01:21.55 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:22.28 | kergoth | so who volunteers to add more packages to OE? |
| 01:22.34 | kergoth | we need to start converting |
| 01:22.48 | kergoth | or even better, a script to do what conversion it can |
| 01:22.52 | ljp_laptop | is there a faq how to add something? |
| 01:22.52 | _Psycho_ | from OZ buildroot ? |
| 01:23.12 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: nah, but there are a ton of example .oe files |
| 01:23.21 | kergoth | just have to create a new .oe file |
| 01:23.25 | kergoth | thats all there is to it |
| 01:23.28 | kergoth | no other crap |
| 01:23.28 | ljp_laptop | ahh ok |
| 01:23.29 | _Psycho_ | tomorow afternoom im off |
| 01:23.35 | _Psycho_ | i could do some |
| 01:23.39 | ljp_laptop | well, I will work on adding qtopia |
| 01:23.46 | ljp_laptop | heh |
| 01:23.46 | kergoth | _Psycho_: yeah, need to convert the old style makefiles from buildroot, into the new .oe format |
| 01:24.01 | _Psycho_ | yeah figure its not too dramatic |
| 01:24.10 | kergoth | glibc and ipkg are mostly done |
| 01:24.13 | kergoth | so they're good examples. compare |
| 01:24.14 | TheMasterMind1 | only like couple hundred makefiles to convert |
| 01:24.17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:24.18 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:24.28 | kergoth | i think we should get some of the basic stuff over first |
| 01:24.53 | kergoth | the host build tools particularly, since without a recent autoconf those of us with shitty old redhat boxes are shit outta luck |
| 01:24.56 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:28.25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you got a laptop or what? |
| 01:28.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, ti issued me one |
| 01:28.43 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: you got my email yet? |
| 01:28.43 | TheMasterMind1 | oh sweet |
| 01:28.44 | zar | that would be awesome I gotta use vmware and the buildtools cd to compile |
| 01:28.50 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: yeah, i'll take care of it |
| 01:28.51 | TheMasterMind1 | is it semidecent? |
| 01:28.53 | zar | redhat dont like it |
| 01:29.02 | ljp_laptop | thx |
| 01:29.18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dell latitude, 1400x1050, 1.4ghz p4, preloaded w/ rh73 and win2k dual boot |
| 01:29.25 | TheMasterMind1 | not bad |
| 01:29.32 | kergoth | nah |
| 01:29.39 | kergoth | faster than my damn 1ghz tbird desktop |
| 01:29.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:31.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: oh, i need someone to do an image builder thats outside of buildroot |
| 01:31.45 | kergoth | feel up to it? |
| 01:32.05 | kergoth | hm, wonder if i should use oebuild .. do an imagebuilder.oe. heheh. |
| 01:32.28 | TheMasterMind1 | yes do that |
| 01:32.41 | kergoth | oebuild image imagebuilder.oe |
| 01:32.50 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:33.00 | kergoth | how to specify the list of 'things' to install into the image |
| 01:33.07 | kergoth | maybe just a IMAGEFILES env var or something |
| 01:33.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: since we dont have a config tool, have to come up with odd ways of passing info in :) |
| 01:35.07 | *** part/#openembedded icefox (~ben@ool-4351483a.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 01:35.30 | *** join/#openembedded icefox (~ben@ool-4351483a.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 01:35.34 | kergoth | god i need a xm radio at home too, my boombox is now permanantly in my cubicle |
| 01:36.00 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 01:36.07 | ljp_laptop | you cant bring it with you? |
| 01:36.09 | *** join/#openembedded xson (~cris@host3-197.pool80181.interbusiness.it) |
| 01:36.20 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: yeah, but i'm too lazy to haul it back & forth daily |
| 01:36.30 | ljp_laptop | ahh |
| 01:36.37 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:36.44 | TheMasterMind1 | chmod -R go=rX /openzaurus/buildroot/output/staging; |
| 01:36.44 | TheMasterMind1 | chmod: changing permissions of `/openzaurus/buildroot/output/staging/build/lib': Operation not permitted |
| 01:36.44 | TheMasterMind1 | chmod: changing permissions of `/openzaurus/buildroot/output/staging/target/bin': Operation not permitted |
| 01:36.46 | TheMasterMind1 | ok.. |
| 01:41.03 | mewyn | ok, the app on the Z is gonna be in C++ |
| 01:41.09 | mewyn | python is WAY too slow |
| 01:41.38 | mewyn | FIVE MEGS!?! WHAT THE #*%!#!!!! |
| 01:43.05 | kergoth | eh? |
| 01:43.21 | mewyn | my output file was 5 megs. |
| 01:43.25 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:43.26 | mewyn | it should be 500k |
| 01:45.33 | kergoth | GAH |
| 01:45.43 | kergoth | i forgot this fucking shit rh73 box is gcc 2.96 |
| 01:45.48 | ljp_laptop | you should have an option so oe dl's tarballs |
| 01:45.58 | ljp_laptop | hahaha |
| 01:46.08 | mewyn | hey, zelda is still 73 |
| 01:46.12 | kergoth | init/main.c:51:2: #error This compiler cannot compile correctly with frame pointers enabled |
| 01:46.15 | kergoth | make[1]: *** [init/main.o] Error 1 |
| 01:46.18 | kergoth | make: *** [init] Error 2 |
| 01:46.23 | ljp_laptop | tim said he had a hard time getting them to do linux |
| 01:46.29 | kergoth | thank you linux 2.5 kbuild! |
| 01:47.12 | kergoth | actually, chroot'd be easier |
| 01:47.23 | kergoth | anyone have a debian chroot env handy? dont have debootstrap on my rh box :) |
| 01:48.03 | ljp_laptop | cxyou should just reinstall |
| 01:48.04 | _Psycho_ | well not usefull mine is often not booted under debian ;) |
| 01:48.28 | mewyn | python is seriously doing something fucked to my file |
| 01:48.39 | kergoth | s/python/my python code/ |
| 01:48.40 | kergoth | :P |
| 01:49.17 | kergoth | I definately need to email IT to see if they'd mind if i fire up debian on here, with the caveat that i dont pester them for assistance |
| 01:49.51 | mewyn | that's it, i'm switching to C |
| 01:49.57 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:50.10 | mewyn | python is doing something fucked to my data |
| 01:50.39 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
| 01:53.08 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup cvs.handhelds.org |
| 01:53.22 | mewyn | wow. i got it the right size |
| 01:53.30 | mewyn | by taking out some of the nested lists |
| 01:54.11 | mewyn | fuck |
| 01:54.21 | mewyn | i need a pretzel |
| 01:56.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:56.34 | kergoth | The System rocks |
| 01:57.33 | ljp_laptop | the system? |
| 01:58.22 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: XM techno station |
| 01:58.38 | kergoth | i wish they played more industrial though |
| 02:00.13 | ljp_laptop | how much does that cost? |
| 02:00.25 | kergoth | xm? $10/month |
| 02:01.01 | mewyn | you can't get it in au |
| 02:01.07 | kergoth | good point |
| 02:01.13 | kergoth | they need more satellites |
| 02:01.33 | mewyn | i don't see them getting licensing for overseas |
| 02:01.38 | ljp_laptop | bastards |
| 02:01.51 | ljp_laptop | well, .au has 'the dish'... |
| 02:01.58 | kergoth | thatd be sweet though, to listen to the same stations in europe that you listen to in the states, & shit |
| 02:02.01 | kergoth | talk about consistency |
| 02:02.09 | ljp_laptop | that migh tbe scary |
| 02:03.02 | ljp_laptop | as long as .au has dsl, I'll be happy |
| 02:03.07 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 02:03.10 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:03.18 | ljp_laptop | this modem crap has got to go soon |
| 02:03.28 | mewyn | wierd... my modern marvels are all in the same place on every page of the tivo now showing list |
| 02:04.26 | mewyn | damnit. i hate it when i overcook pretzels |
| 02:04.45 | ljp_laptop | you cook pretzels? |
| 02:04.54 | kergoth | thats what i was gonna say |
| 02:04.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:04.57 | mewyn | superpretzels |
| 02:05.02 | mewyn | nuke and eat |
| 02:05.06 | kergoth | super? |
| 02:05.11 | mewyn | brand name |
| 02:05.15 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:05.20 | mewyn | big soft pretzels, frozen |
| 02:05.25 | kergoth | cool |
| 02:05.28 | kergoth | good? |
| 02:05.31 | mewyn | yup |
| 02:05.42 | mewyn | with just a dash of salt |
| 02:06.04 | kergoth | cool. i need something other than crackers to munch on |
| 02:06.57 | kergoth | hmm |
| 02:07.04 | kergoth | Your display is too small to run Menuconfig! |
| 02:07.04 | kergoth | It must be at least 19 lines by 80 columns. |
| 02:07.04 | kergoth | make: *** [menuconfig] Error 1 |
| 02:07.05 | ljp_laptop | rice cakes |
| 02:07.07 | kergoth | heh. |
| 02:07.10 | mewyn | yup |
| 02:07.39 | ljp_laptop | oh, ya. they's dont like rice cakes down in texas |
| 02:07.43 | kergoth | rice cakes? bleh |
| 02:07.53 | kergoth | i wouldnt like rice cakes anywhere :) |
| 02:07.56 | mewyn | ick. they just said what the inuits (eskimos) eat. fatty seal meat dipped in seal fat |
| 02:08.01 | ljp_laptop | rice cakes.. them's fightin words |
| 02:08.03 | kergoth | hmm |
| 02:08.12 | mewyn | rice cakes rock |
| 02:08.13 | kergoth | want some meat with your fat? |
| 02:08.17 | kergoth | weird diet |
| 02:08.27 | ljp_laptop | thats the only way eskimos can survive in the cold |
| 02:08.40 | mewyn | yah |
| 02:08.54 | mewyn | extra calories help heat their bodies |
| 02:09.03 | mewyn | but eating like that makes me want to puke |
| 02:09.43 | kergoth | yea |
| 02:10.16 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 02:10.24 | TheMasterMind1 | buildroot compile is going surprisingly well |
| 02:10.30 | kergoth | cool |
| 02:10.33 | TheMasterMind1 | its on qte and no errors yet |
| 02:10.37 | kergoth | impressive |
| 02:11.15 | ljp_laptop | well, it would be different if you had hundreds of miles of nothing but wind and snow |
| 02:12.06 | masticator_ | sup dudes. |
| 02:12.12 | kergoth | hey |
| 02:14.26 | _Psycho_ | sdl didnt wanted to build last night when i tried with my gcc 3.2 sone no-rtti option not available again hehe |
| 02:14.26 | ljp_laptop | compiling |
| 02:14.30 | _Psycho_ | anyway |
| 02:18.40 | masticator_ | rice cakes suck. |
| 02:18.58 | kergoth | damn right. |
| 02:19.08 | _Psycho_ | indeed |
| 02:19.21 | masticator_ | if youre gonna have rice, put it in a risotto. |
| 02:19.25 | masticator_ | http://www.egullet.com/pics/risotto.jpg |
| 02:19.29 | masticator_ | thats what I cooked this evening. |
| 02:19.53 | ljp_laptop | how about raw fatty seal meat? |
| 02:20.03 | masticator_ | ick. |
| 02:20.09 | ljp_laptop | oh, and dipped ion seal fat |
| 02:20.27 | kergoth | masticator_: risotto looks good |
| 02:21.27 | masticator_ | wild mushroom with saffron, with imported parmigiano cheese in it. |
| 02:21.36 | masticator_ | topped with sliced grilled chicken and italian ham. |
| 02:22.23 | masticator_ | you gotta have a serious kitchen to cook like that though |
| 02:22.28 | masticator_ | only cost me like, 50 grand |
| 02:22.32 | masticator_ | http://www.egullet.com/pics/kitchen1.jpg |
| 02:22.46 | masticator_ | thats the kitchen that took me like 6 months to build |
| 02:22.50 | kergoth | damn |
| 02:23.00 | kergoth | thats a badass kitchen. |
| 02:23.10 | icefox | I know that kitchen! |
| 02:23.15 | icefox | :-D |
| 02:23.21 | kenb | bhm. |
| 02:23.28 | kergoth | hey ken |
| 02:23.30 | kenb | I want your appliances. |
| 02:23.33 | kenb | Hi kergoth. |
| 02:23.50 | kergoth | hows it goin? |
| 02:23.58 | kenb | It goes well again, I guess. |
| 02:24.05 | masticator_ | icefox, whats next, a thermometer that shows temperature in hex? |
| 02:24.11 | kenb | kergoth: how's TI so far? |
| 02:24.21 | kergoth | masticator_: dont give him ideas |
| 02:24.26 | icefox | masticator_: eh in the last day my ability to read binary has improved 100 fold |
| 02:24.27 | icefox | :0D |
| 02:25.00 | kergoth | kenb: pretty good, I'm liking it. |
| 02:25.15 | masticator_ | icefox of borg |
| 02:25.24 | masticator_ | your transformers will be assimilated. |
| 02:25.37 | kenb | kergoth: good stuff. You going to be at either OLS or Defcon this year? |
| 02:25.38 | kergoth | careful of your deep structures (neal stephenson reference) |
| 02:25.44 | masticator_ | oh shit, ols |
| 02:25.49 | masticator_ | I totally freakin forgot aboutit |
| 02:25.58 | kenb | masticator_: might be too late now |
| 02:25.59 | ljp_laptop | ols? |
| 02:26.08 | kenb | www.linuxsymposium.org/2003 |
| 02:26.10 | kergoth | kenb: naw, wont be at ols this year. probably next year when i'm less in debt |
| 02:26.13 | kergoth | kenb: heheh |
| 02:26.29 | kenb | kergoth: Yea... I'm just emerging from major debt. |
| 02:26.35 | kenb | So I went out and leased a new car :) |
| 02:26.41 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
| 02:26.42 | kenb | <-- Not too smart |
| 02:26.49 | kergoth | ajh on kernelnewbies mentioned that they were full, but they're kicking the folks who havent paid tomorrow |
| 02:26.54 | kergoth | kenb: hah |
| 02:26.55 | kergoth | nice |
| 02:26.56 | ljp_laptop | kenb: you have a wife? |
| 02:27.03 | masticator_ | hmm technically if I wanted to go, I would need a company to represent I think |
| 02:27.07 | kenb | ljp_laptop: nope. If I had a wife, I'd never emerge from debt. |
| 02:27.15 | kenb | masticator_: nope, you can even go as a student. |
| 02:27.18 | ljp_laptop | and you wouldnt have a new car |
| 02:27.27 | kenb | ljp_laptop: that too. Or a house. |
| 02:27.29 | kergoth | i'd go just to learn. /me is still a newb |
| 02:27.32 | kenb | and probably not a laptop either. |
| 02:28.16 | kenb | ljp_laptop: So I've been staying away from women until after I move into my new place. |
| 02:28.32 | kenb | ljp_laptop: I'm in "look but don't touch" mode |
| 02:28.44 | kergoth | same here, during my few months of 'get my shit together after the move' |
| 02:28.49 | kenb | yup. |
| 02:29.11 | kenb | the *last* thing I need is to get involved with someone, when I have too much shit going on between now and Sept. |
| 02:29.16 | ljp_laptop | i am still frickin waiting for my move |
| 02:29.24 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: bastards. |
| 02:29.28 | kenb | ljp_laptop: me too. Been delayed 4 months so far. |
| 02:29.30 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 02:29.34 | ljp_laptop | 4? |
| 02:29.39 | kenb | yup.. |
| 02:29.43 | ljp_laptop | where you moving? |
| 02:29.46 | kenb | I was suppose to have moved April 22nd. |
| 02:30.11 | kenb | about 35km closer to the office. |
| 02:30.37 | ljp_laptop | oh.. I am moving about 35,000km ;) |
| 02:30.43 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:30.46 | masticator_ | I am so glad the fat guy on Last Comic Standing got into the house |
| 02:30.54 | masticator_ | that guy is freakin hillarious |
| 02:31.01 | kenb | ljp_laptop: nah... about 8000km, I suspect. |
| 02:31.13 | ljp_laptop | ahh, ya something like that |
| 02:31.22 | kenb | ljp_laptop: so you got the position in the oz? |
| 02:31.24 | masticator_ | kergoth, what the hell, staying late? |
| 02:31.33 | ljp_laptop | yes, waiting for visa |
| 02:31.35 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:31.36 | masticator_ | hell, you dont even have a real device yet |
| 02:31.48 | kenb | ljp_laptop: sweet. I'm hopefully going there next year for vacation |
| 02:31.55 | kergoth`bbl | masticator_: not doing their work, just using their net connection |
| 02:32.03 | kergoth`bbl | masticator_: and their computer chair for that matter |
| 02:32.21 | masticator_ | are they doing their own linux distro for this thing? |
| 02:32.55 | kergoth`bbl | nah, montavista's stuff. it was mv that did the omap linux support afaik |
| 02:32.59 | TheMasterMind1 | go buildroot, go buildroot, you can do it, you can do it |
| 02:33.02 | kergoth`bbl | k, im gone |
| 02:33.04 | masticator_ | MV, ick |
| 02:33.13 | masticator_ | I suppose its better than Lineo |
| 02:35.20 | ljp_laptop | MV isnt out of utah are they? that place must have bad water or something |
| 02:35.25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: are you really gone? |
| 02:35.42 | chouimat | re |
| 02:38.42 | ljp_laptop | who wants to add alsa to oe? hmm? |
| 02:39.18 | TheMasterMind1 | YOU! |
| 02:39.30 | ljp_laptop | me? |
| 02:39.38 | ljp_laptop | I dont have oe write access |
| 02:39.41 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 02:39.46 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: you;re asking for it |
| 02:39.53 | ljp_laptop | so |
| 02:40.10 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: do it and schurig for write access ;) |
| 02:40.16 | ljp_laptop | CEO's ask for a lot of things, do you think they get them all themselves?! |
| 02:40.33 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: since wwhenn you're the CEO? |
| 02:40.35 | ljp_laptop | well, I am adding qtopia |
| 02:40.49 | ljp_laptop | self proclaimed ceo.. hehehehe |
| 02:41.16 | ljp_laptop | kergoth`bbl: he's just the president |
| 02:41.17 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: give a day of 240hours and maybe I can do something but I'm running out of time |
| 02:41.41 | ljp_laptop | oh, kergoth is dealing with my ssh key |
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| 02:51.22 | TheMasterMind1 | yay, opie building |
| 02:51.53 | effy-kun | sup Mind |
| 02:51.55 | ljp_laptop | imagine that |
| 02:52.02 | TheMasterMind1 | hey effy-kun |
| 02:53.10 | TheMasterMind1 | the opie and qte make files have changed so much since i added them to the buildroot |
| 02:53.26 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 02:53.27 | ljp_laptop | I built qtopia fine. xcompile is different |
| 02:58.09 | chouimat | aarrrrggg where is Resumeguard-0.11-src.tar.gz????? |
| 02:58.10 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone used VLC |
| 02:58.19 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.16 | cyn | #videolan :P |
| 03:04.04 | cyn | I looked at it briefly enough to see the description, then realized that wireless would likely not be fast enough for anything satisfying |
| 03:04.18 | cyn | but if you find differently by all means i'd love to hear it |
| 03:07.21 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 03:07.28 | TheMasterMind1 | i wonder if my 2mbit wifi will work well |
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| 06:01.10 | TheMasterMind1 | ../../../../konq-embed/kdesrc/khtml/khtml_part.cpp:540: internal error--unrecognizable insn: |
| 06:01.10 | TheMasterMind1 | (insn 21057 21054 10158 (set (reg:QI 2 r2) |
| 06:01.10 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.10 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.10 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.13 | TheMasterMind1 | any idea whats doing that |
| 06:01.17 | TheMasterMind1 | happening a lot |
| 06:01.30 | TheMasterMind1 | yugh, looks like lisp |
| 06:23.23 | scanline | yay for compiling glibc |
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| 07:42.45 | scanline | urgh.. is there any way to put the scroll bar on the left side of the screen? |
| 08:06.29 | yeiazel | scanline: are you left-handed ? :) |
| 08:06.52 | yeiazel | scanline: I've seen that only wth konsole... |
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| 09:56.30 | Twiun | hey mickeyl |
| 09:58.25 | mickeyl | hi TheMasterMind1 |
| 09:58.28 | mickeyl | argh |
| 09:58.28 | mickeyl | hi Twiun |
| 09:58.33 | mickeyl | ~lart tab completion |
| 10:00.38 | Twiun | hehe |
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| 10:31.41 | gruemelmonster | hi everyone |
| 10:32.46 | gruemelmonster | if cardctl status shows me something about a 5V 16-Bit PC Card, I can forget about getting it running, right?! |
| 10:34.46 | pb_ | no, a card like that has a reasonable chance of working. |
| 10:37.17 | gruemelmonster | hmmm thought so myself, just wanted to make shure... |
| 10:37.56 | gruemelmonster | only way would probably be to get some external power supply;-) |
| 10:39.18 | gruemelmonster | would have loved to get that networkcard running... |
| 10:43.48 | pb_ | well, like I said, it ought to work. what is the actual problem? |
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| 10:50.09 | _ibz | hi |
| 10:50.16 | _ibz | Twiun: ping |
| 10:50.38 | gruemelmonster | pb_: oh i got that wrong, sorry |
| 10:50.51 | gruemelmonster | but what about the 5V? |
| 10:52.08 | gruemelmonster | pb_: then my problem is that i dont know how to set that card up. |
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| 10:52.24 | gruemelmonster | is there a place to look for documentation on that |
| 11:11.54 | schurig | gruemelmonster: in Compact Flash there is no 5 V, they all work with 3.3V |
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| 11:12.33 | schurig | gruemelmonster: the Specification for Compact Flash is freely downloadable (as opposed to PCMCIA/PCCard) |
| 11:13.46 | schurig | gruemelmonster: if a CF-Card claims to need 5V, then usually only the CFI of the card is borked, ignore is. Info on how to setup a card can be found by using the manufacturer and product id (cardctl ident IMHO) and www.google.com/linux |
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| 11:20.49 | TheMasterMind1 | hello |
| 11:20.52 | TheMasterMind1 | who's around |
| 11:21.24 | pb_ | hi tmm1 |
| 11:21.28 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
| 11:21.37 | TheMasterMind1 | ../../../../konq-embed/kdesrc/khtml/khtml_part.cpp:540: internal error--unrecognizable insn: |
| 11:21.37 | TheMasterMind1 | (insn 21057 21054 10158 (set (reg:QI 2 r2) |
| 11:21.37 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.37 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.37 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.38 | TheMasterMind1 | make[7]: *** [khtml_part.lo] Error 1 |
| 11:21.40 | TheMasterMind1 | any ideas? |
| 11:22.30 | pb_ | get a newer gcc. |
| 11:23.27 | TheMasterMind1 | how much newer |
| 11:24.19 | pb_ | what are you on now, 2.95.3? |
| 11:24.30 | pb_ | any 3.x should be ok, but I guess you want to stick with gcc 2. |
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| 11:47.29 | cmartin | I'm still having problems with konqe. Is anybody here familiar with libtool? |
| 11:48.01 | Twiun | only so far as hearing kergoth and beatie swear and kick it |
| 11:48.31 | Twiun | wasn't the problem with konqe that it provided its own libtool? |
| 11:48.34 | cmartin | why is everybody seeming to have no problems building konqe? |
| 11:49.00 | cmartin | s/ everybody else |
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| 11:50.47 | cmartin | the output I'm getting is: |
| 11:50.52 | cmartin | /usr/lib/libjpeg.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 11:50.52 | cmartin | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 11:50.53 | cmartin | make[7]: *** [konqueror] Error 1 |
| 11:51.14 | Twiun | right, have you tried running the last command manually? |
| 11:51.15 | cmartin | why is libtool using my /usr/lib/libjpeg.so? |
| 11:51.42 | cmartin | you mean the libtool command that came before this message? |
| 11:52.15 | Twiun | yeah - or is there an arm-linux-gcc command in between? |
| 11:52.50 | cmartin | . /bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --mode=link --tag=CXX arm-linux-g++ -Wnon-virtual-dtor...................................... |
| 11:53.11 | Twiun | look at that ../../libtool - which libtool is it picking up? |
| 11:53.20 | Twiun | that doesn't look like a buildroot one |
| 11:53.33 | cmartin | why not? |
| 11:53.50 | cmartin | it depends on from which directory it's being started - right? |
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| 11:54.28 | Twiun | buildroot only sticks a libtool in output/staging/* |
| 11:54.50 | Twiun | that libtool is obviously in the source root for konqe |
| 11:55.18 | cmartin | ok the directory that's being left is: build/konqueror-embedded-snapshot-20030516/build-full/konq-embed/src |
| 11:55.30 | cmartin | so the libtool would be in build/konqueror-embedded-snapshot-20030516/build-full |
| 11:56.05 | Twiun | right, which would be one created by konqe's configure script |
| 11:56.15 | Twiun | so that must be fixed to use the buildroot one |
| 11:56.17 | gruemelmonster | shurig: problem is this is a pcmcia card -sorry forgott to say that (probably the most important) |
| 11:56.54 | Twiun | gruemelmonster: what device are you plugging this into? An iPAQ, Simpad or something else? |
| 11:57.41 | gruemelmonster | Z with an pcmcia to cf adapter |
| 11:58.10 | gruemelmonster | so i guess this might be a noway thing |
| 11:58.50 | Twiun | not necessarily, but the voltage could be an issue |
| 11:59.02 | Twiun | does the card support a powersaving mode using 3.3V? |
| 11:59.48 | Twiun | cmartin: do you see where I'm coming from? |
| 11:59.50 | gruemelmonster | hmm i just found that manual again while kleening up my room... let me check |
| 12:00.10 | cmartin | Twiun: yes, but where do I do that? |
| 12:01.11 | Twiun | cmartin: there's probably some configure option for overriding libtool, or perhaps it's just not finding the buildroot libtool - we need to find out what causes configure to create its own libtool |
| 12:03.08 | gruemelmonster | hmm operating voltage +5V+/-5% --i guess no |
| 12:03.30 | gruemelmonster | i have another card at the office maybe i should try this one... |
| 12:03.57 | Twiun | that's not necessarily the end of the matter, but I don't know enough to go further :( |
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| 12:04.41 | gruemelmonster | twiun; hmm what can i tell you. |
| 12:05.40 | gruemelmonster | or do you mean in general |
| 12:05.54 | Twiun | my specialty isn't hardware ;) |
| 12:06.15 | gruemelmonster | allright then ... |
| 12:06.26 | Twiun | so I was hoping that getting more info from you would prompt someone else on the channel to provide more input |
| 12:07.02 | pb_ | gruemelmonster: ah, if it's a PCMCIA card and it says it needs 5V, you probably are indeed out of luck. |
| 12:09.01 | gruemelmonster | :-( |
| 12:09.22 | gruemelmonster | well as i said i do have another one maybe i do have more luck there |
| 12:11.25 | gruemelmonster | and i want to try the pcmcia 5GB one day too;-) |
| 12:11.54 | gruemelmonster | 5GB drive i meant |
| 12:17.16 | cmartin | Twiun: I can't find any option to override libtool in konqe configure script |
| 12:22.29 | Twiun | cmartin: does the configure log mention libtool at all? |
| 12:25.48 | cmartin | which configure log |
| 12:25.50 | cmartin | ? |
| 12:26.38 | cmartin | sorry, found it |
| 12:28.19 | cmartin | Twiun: yes there quite a few libtool things in config.log |
| 12:28.51 | cmartin | configure:9790: checking if libtool supports shared libraries |
| 12:28.51 | cmartin | configure:9792: result: yes |
| 12:28.51 | cmartin | configure:9795: checking whether to build shared libraries |
| 12:28.52 | cmartin | configure:9816: result: no |
| 12:28.52 | cmartin | configure:9819: checking whether to build static libraries |
| 12:28.54 | cmartin | configure:9823: result: yes |
| 12:28.56 | cmartin | configure:9902: creating libtool |
| 12:29.07 | cmartin | LIBTOOL='$(SHELL) $(top_builddir)/libtool --silent' |
| 12:29.11 | cmartin | that's it |
| 12:29.45 | ljp_laptop | die libtool! |
| 12:30.15 | Twiun | from that, I assume that because configure doesn't think our libtool can create shared libs, it resorts to creating its own one |
| 12:30.38 | Twiun | it could be that the configure test is buggy |
| 12:30.44 | pb_ | well, it says "if libtool supports shared libraries ... yes". |
| 12:30.49 | pb_ | maybe you just need --enable-shared. |
| 12:31.02 | Twiun | d'oh, yeah, I misread the output |
| 12:32.38 | Twiun | anyway, the problem is that it's creating its own libtool as opposed to using ours... |
| 12:32.49 | Twiun | I have to go run some errands |
| 12:32.53 | Twiun | bbl :) |
| 12:35.58 | cmartin | looking at the packages/konqe/Makefile i see that shared libraries are disabled: ConfigFlags := --enable-static --disable-shared |
| 12:36.39 | cmartin | --enable-shared is the default according to configure |
| 12:52.17 | ljp_laptop | finally ordered a wifi card for zaurus |
| 12:53.35 | ljp_laptop | am I leet now? |
| 12:54.21 | mickeyl | ljp_laptop: which one |
| 12:54.22 | mickeyl | = |
| 12:54.23 | mickeyl | ? |
| 12:54.50 | ljp_laptop | heheh. hmmm.. |
| 12:54.55 | ljp_laptop | lemme see |
| 12:55.07 | ljp_laptop | D-Link |
| 12:55.30 | mickeyl | mmh... not leet, but not bad either ;) |
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| 13:04.16 | agupta | kergoth still not up yet/ |
| 13:04.16 | agupta | beh |
| 13:04.27 | agupta | pb_ so i should use 2.95.4? will that fix it? |
| 13:05.21 | ljp_laptop | ummm, isnt there supposed to be a oeconfig file? somewhere? |
| 13:06.16 | cmartin | how do i override konqe's own libtool? |
| 13:09.44 | ljp_laptop | you guys need better docs |
| 13:10.22 | agupta | docs are overrated |
| 13:11.46 | ljp_laptop | well, it saves on stupid questions like, 'how do I get started' |
| 13:12.28 | lsmith | i think agupta meant the joy of writing docs is overrated :-) |
| 13:13.21 | agupta | read the faq |
| 13:13.23 | lsmith | btw how are things looking for a new release? |
| 13:13.27 | ljp_laptop | oh, there's two whole posts, both have subject of 'test' |
| 13:13.33 | ljp_laptop | I am reading the faq |
| 13:13.40 | ljp_laptop | the faq sucks too |
| 13:13.46 | agupta | you suck. |
| 13:14.17 | agupta | if you're that annoyed by it, write some docs |
| 13:14.21 | ljp_laptop | actually there is no 'faq' only a wiki |
| 13:14.41 | ljp_laptop | how am I suppoised to when I dont knwo how the fuck to do this yet? |
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| 13:15.59 | cmartin | ljp_laptop: read the faq at openzaurus.org: http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=84 |
| 13:16.49 | agupta | i think he's talking about OE |
| 13:16.52 | ljp_laptop | hmm, openzaurus != openembedded |
| 13:17.32 | agupta | OE has barely started shaping up, so stop bitching about docs just yet |
| 13:17.59 | ljp_laptop | heh |
| 13:18.08 | ljp_laptop | what docs |
| 13:18.19 | ljp_laptop | the one line README files? |
| 13:18.23 | cmartin | OE will be the successor of OZ, but until it's ready you have to use OZ |
| 13:19.01 | agupta | hmm, how do i tell the buildroot to use 2.95.4 |
| 13:19.03 | cmartin | there's nothing usefull in OE at the time |
| 13:19.23 | agupta | ah, nm |
| 13:19.28 | agupta | cmartin thats incorrect |
| 13:20.12 | cmartin | agupta: correct me |
| 13:21.13 | cmartin | agupta: what's not correct? the part about OE being successor of OZ or the part about OE not being very usable? |
| 13:21.24 | agupta | usability |
| 13:21.33 | agupta | OE is not exactly a replacement for OZ either |
| 13:21.37 | agupta | it is a replacement for the buildroot |
| 13:22.00 | agupta | and its making very good progress. we're going to start converting to it this weekend |
| 13:22.21 | cmartin | ok, but still - the buildroot of OE doesn't build anything usefull at the time |
| 13:23.03 | agupta | no, you misunderstand. there is not buildroot OF OE |
| 13:23.07 | agupta | OE IS the buildroot |
| 13:23.12 | agupta | its not called buildroot anymore, its called OE |
| 13:25.52 | cmartin | where's the big difference? it seems to me your making a lot of wind about nothing. The only difference i see, is that using bk with buildroot gives me something usefull and with OE it doesn't |
| 13:26.18 | agupta | yea, i'm arguing for nothing. you're right. i'm just bored. |
| 13:26.51 | cmartin | i thought OE was supposed to de the buildroot where things like "openzaurus", "openipaq", "opensimpad" and the such are built from |
| 13:26.53 | ljp_laptop | then you write some docs |
| 13:27.09 | ljp_laptop | cause I'm too busy to figure this out and write docs |
| 13:27.34 | agupta | then don't. wait for kergoth to come back |
| 13:27.37 | agupta | he wrote docs yesterday |
| 13:27.39 | agupta | i don't think he pushed yet |
| 13:28.23 | cmartin | agupta: about 2.95.4 - try changing the version under the buil parameters in menuconfig |
| 13:28.31 | cmartin | s/ build |
| 13:28.43 | agupta | cmartin yep, found it |
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| 13:30.22 | cmartin | we may need a doc explaining what is understood under the title OpenEmbedded so things get clarified and user trying start building don't get too confused. |
| 13:31.14 | cmartin | the fact is if anyone wants to start building something for his device he has to go with buildroot from OZ. |
| 13:31.26 | cmartin | at the time at least |
| 13:34.39 | Twiun | re |
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| 13:36.10 | ljp_laptop | does bk use compression like cvs -z9 does? |
| 13:36.43 | ljp_laptop | drw: hey what up? |
| 13:37.12 | drw | ljp_laptop: hey, getting ready to leave tomorrow morning |
| 13:38.24 | Twiun | ljp_laptop: yeah, read bk's output after a pull |
| 13:40.14 | cmartin | Twiun: still can't get konqe to not build it's own libtool - this is making me crazy |
| 13:41.50 | Twiun | cmartin: hmmm, does it still make its own libtool if we were to symlink the staging libtool into the konqe top level source dir? |
| 13:44.24 | cmartin | yes, i first tried just copying the staging libtool to the directory where the konqe libtool was (overwriting it) and konqe just built a new one |
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| 13:48.03 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 13:52.58 | ljp_laptop | hate being logged off in the middle of a dl |
| 13:57.11 | Twiun | cmartin: I suppose that we're going to have to mess with the configure macros next :( |
| 14:01.45 | ljp_laptop | crap, its friday |
| 14:02.03 | Twiun | ~friday |
| 14:02.04 | | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 14:02.52 | Twiun | agupta: how's the image scaling going? |
| 14:03.00 | ljp_laptop | no, it sucks because its now saturday in brisbane, and I was going to email warwick about something |
| 14:03.08 | ljp_laptop | so I have to wait for sunday |
| 14:03.41 | Twiun | you can still email him, no point waiting |
| 14:04.45 | agupta | Twiun i'll work on it today |
| 14:04.50 | ljp_laptop | he wont anwser till sunday |
| 14:06.32 | cmartin | Twiun: there has to be an easier way. Others here say that konqe builds without probs. |
| 14:06.53 | Twiun | cmartin: I'm out of my depth then |
| 14:09.03 | cmartin | Twiun: could it be this message "collect2: ld returned 1 exit status" that gives another clue to what's going on? |
| 14:09.33 | agupta | no |
| 14:09.41 | agupta | something didnt' link, but what/ |
| 14:10.04 | agupta | Twiun the scaling code in that pixbuf thing is insanely complicated |
| 14:10.10 | pb_ | agupta: yeah, 2.95.4 should be better. |
| 14:11.11 | agupta | k |
| 14:11.26 | Twiun | agupta: hmmm, we may need to look elsewhere for simpler code then |
| 14:11.37 | Twiun | agupta: it's not as if speed is a critical factor |
| 14:12.21 | agupta | yea, thats true |
| 14:12.37 | agupta | maybe its just me. looks complicated to me |
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| 14:12.55 | agupta | i'll take another look at it. probably make more sense after i spend some time looking at it |
| 14:13.45 | Twiun | iirc there might be code around for bilinear texture mapping that could be simpler |
| 14:14.59 | agupta | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.23 | Twiun | agupta: I'm also thinking of changing the way the libFB drawing code works - it'll be faster to draw to a back bugger and convert to the fb rgb format on blitting |
| 14:15.30 | Twiun | s/bugger/buffer |
| 14:15.35 | Twiun | talk about freudian slips |
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| 15:38.50 | *** topic/#openembedded is OpenEmbedded - It Sucks Less!(tm) | News at http://openzaurus.org/ | User support questions in #openzaurus | OE Buildroot devs in #buildroot-oe | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?s=5be76b086a395e018104222ab77fc215&act=ST&f=27&t=3668 <- cheap c7x0 with warranty |
| 15:39.58 | TheMasterMind1 | clock.cpp: In method `void Clock::alarmOn()': |
| 15:39.58 | TheMasterMind1 | clock.cpp:437: request for member `arg' in `"Alarm set: %1"', which is of non-aggregate type `char[14]' |
| 15:39.59 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 15:40.36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the info in quotes shouldve been within a QString() constructor |
| 15:40.43 | kergoth | or something |
| 15:40.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:40.44 | TheMasterMind1 | ok.. |
| 15:40.47 | TheMasterMind1 | hrmf |
| 15:40.50 | TheMasterMind1 | i even make cleaned |
| 15:40.53 | TheMasterMind1 | and clean-sources |
| 15:40.58 | TheMasterMind1 | and got the .9.9 rleease |
| 15:40.59 | kergoth | lart carsten, he asked about it a second ago :P |
| 15:41.55 | TheMasterMind1 | ~lart carsten |
| 15:42.21 | TheMasterMind1 | carsten: wake up |
| 15:42.36 | carsten | P |
| 15:42.37 | carsten | ? |
| 15:42.44 | TheMasterMind1 | whats the deal with clock.cpp |
| 15:43.02 | TheMasterMind1 | i tried compiling opie cvs earlier, it bombed |
| 15:43.07 | TheMasterMind1 | couldn't find some includes.. |
| 15:43.15 | TheMasterMind1 | opie2/*.h |
| 15:43.30 | carsten | TheMasterMind1: yes, will be fixes |
| 15:43.32 | carsten | TheMasterMind1: yes, will be fixed |
| 15:43.35 | TheMasterMind1 | s/opie cvs/opie cvs head/ |
| 15:43.48 | TheMasterMind1 | carsten: ok, how do i get 0.9.9 compiling right now. its dying on clock.cpp |
| 15:44.00 | carsten | TheMasterMind1: I didn't touch that file. Tet me look |
| 15:44.36 | carsten | /home/carsten/opie/opie/core/applets/clockapplet/clock.cpp |
| 15:44.36 | carsten | /home/carsten/opie/opie/noncore/tools/clock/clock.cpp |
| 15:44.37 | carsten | which? |
| 15:44.38 | TheMasterMind1 | clock.cpp:437: request for member `arg' in `"Alarm set: %1"', which is of non-aggregate type `char[14]' |
| 15:44.45 | TheMasterMind1 | wait, nm |
| 15:44.49 | TheMasterMind1 | QString() worked |
| 15:45.02 | kergoth | k |
| 15:45.21 | TheMasterMind1 | god, gpe looks so fucking sexy |
| 15:45.38 | kergoth | finish adding it to buildroot then |
| 15:46.23 | carsten | TheMasterMind1: cvs up |
| 15:46.25 | carsten | missing ) |
| 15:46.34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmk |
| 15:46.41 | TheMasterMind1 | is the opie2 includes thing fixed? |
| 15:46.56 | TheMasterMind1 | <#handhelds.org> <CIA> commit to module opie by cniehaus: fix clock.cpp |
| 15:46.57 | carsten | I don't konw about opie2 |
| 15:46.58 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 15:47.18 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, then i won't use cvs head yet. |
| 15:47.32 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 15:47.37 | carsten | TheMasterMind1: you see all changes in that #? |
| 15:47.47 | carsten | s/changes/patches? |
| 15:47.54 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 15:47.57 | pb_ | carsten: all cvs checkins to handhelds.org, yes. |
| 15:48.11 | TheMasterMind1 | try #only-commits |
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| 15:48.47 | carsten | mmh, isn't CIA the bot /. reported about about 2 weeks ago |
| 15:48.54 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you think sharp/opera/hancom/jeode if we take the ipks from the 3.1rom and put em in our feeds after fixing em up some. i mean, really, they're distributing them in a .zip file for god sakes |
| 15:49.05 | TheMasterMind1 | in the 5500v3.1Apps.zip |
| 15:49.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:49.36 | kergoth | just because sharp can legally distribute them doesnt mean we can |
| 15:49.36 | TheMasterMind1 | i doubt they'd ever notice to begin with |
| 15:49.50 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i know all the legal carp |
| 15:51.10 | TheMasterMind1 | their big concern i thought was they didn't want ipaq etc users using them |
| 15:51.22 | TheMasterMind1 | but now that they're distributing the ipks anyway, its not hard for them to do so |
| 15:53.04 | TheMasterMind1 | our users would be fucking overjoyed if they could install working versions of latest jeode, opera6 and what not via aqpkg |
| 15:53.12 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:53.19 | kergoth | could always email sharp |
| 15:54.25 | TheMasterMind1 | thats true |
| 15:54.31 | TheMasterMind1 | who should i email |
| 15:56.23 | TheMasterMind1 | <sashz> hi, try new Qtopia 1.6.1 Hybrid ROM http://www.cacko.biz/hybrid.html ;-) |
| 15:57.20 | kergoth | hi, isnt reinventing the wheel great? |
| 15:57.22 | kergoth | idiots. |
| 15:57.43 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 15:57.50 | TheMasterMind1 | he doesnt' like opie |
| 15:57.50 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 15:59.48 | TheMasterMind1 | carsten: will opie1.0 have a different documents tab? |
| 15:59.58 | kergoth | ask ljp |
| 16:00.00 | carsten | no idea to be honest |
| 16:00.11 | kergoth | ljp's working on that one |
| 16:00.21 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 16:02.52 | TheMasterMind1 | so who should i email at sharp |
| 16:02.55 | TheMasterMind1 | or do you wanna do it :) |
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| 16:03.54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: email spencer huang. |
| 16:04.04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if he doesnt know the answer, he'll know who to ask |
| 16:04.09 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 16:05.54 | TheMasterMind1 | ARGH |
| 16:06.19 | kergoth | ? |
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| 16:08.38 | TheMasterMind1 | fucking server i was compiling on fell off of the face of the internet |
| 16:08.44 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:08.45 | kergoth | i ahte that |
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| 16:10.30 | chouimat | hi |
| 16:11.20 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you know what the other key combo on the 5x00 is.. c+d is to flash, and theres like d+p or something |
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| 16:13.47 | gruemelmonster | d+p is a debugging menu |
| 16:13.57 | TheMasterMind1 | yea thats it |
| 16:13.59 | TheMasterMind1 | d+p |
| 16:14.03 | TheMasterMind1 | press right two times |
| 16:14.05 | TheMasterMind1 | go to cfupdate |
| 16:14.10 | TheMasterMind1 | and use that to flash |
| 16:17.01 | TheMasterMind1 | the question is |
| 16:17.05 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you get out of this menu |
| 16:18.31 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, clear the bootflag |
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| 16:22.35 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: can bk handle symlinks? |
| 16:23.17 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dont know. why? |
| 16:23.41 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you wanna tell me why in the world idecs.patch exists |
| 16:23.46 | TheMasterMind1 | in kernel-c700/ |
| 16:24.02 | kergoth | because sharp changed the idecs module name |
| 16:24.06 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i was thinking symlink another packagedir to kernel-c700 and a if TARGET_COLLIE to it, but i can just include the makefile |
| 16:24.19 | kergoth | to be the same as 2.4.6, when the real linux kenrel *did* change the name, and we can accomidate it |
| 16:24.24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: oh, thats whats different. _ vs - |
| 16:24.27 | kergoth | why do either? |
| 16:24.38 | TheMasterMind1 | missed that |
| 16:24.40 | kergoth | just edit that makefile, and that config.in |
| 16:24.49 | kergoth | make it so you can select that when building for collie |
| 16:24.55 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 16:24.56 | kergoth | and edit the ifdef's in the makefile |
| 16:25.01 | TheMasterMind1 | even though the dir is called -c700 |
| 16:25.04 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't matter really |
| 16:25.10 | _Psycho_ | ah good to be home |
| 16:27.58 | gruemelmonster | is sdmgr only for sd/mmc or also for cf? |
| 16:28.16 | kergoth | pcmcia/cardmgr is for cf |
| 16:30.34 | gruemelmonster | hmm i can not start pcmcia (its complainig about device/resource busy) |
| 16:35.04 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: what are the differences between the .config's for 5500 and 5000d in our builds |
| 16:35.18 | TheMasterMind1 | just mtdram total, cmdline and mtdram pos right |
| 16:35.23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 16:35.39 | TheMasterMind1 | this one has collie_dev and some extra font options in one and not the other |
| 16:35.44 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll ignore that i guess |
| 16:36.10 | TheMasterMind1 | integrating the collie Makefile with its different ramdisk size kernel building and the kernel-c700 makefile should be loads of un |
| 16:36.14 | TheMasterMind1 | fun even |
| 16:36.26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:36.35 | kergoth | *cough*oeclass*cough* |
| 16:36.40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:40.09 | TheMasterMind1 | we could just ditch 2.4.6 all together |
| 16:40.10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:41.17 | TheMasterMind1 | i think i'm going to just make a copy of kernel-collie and change sources and what not in there |
| 16:41.26 | TheMasterMind1 | and then start porting that to OE |
| 16:41.44 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:41.49 | mewyn | woo! gif files are free! |
| 16:41.52 | mewyn | freeeeeeeeeedom! |
| 16:42.44 | TheMasterMind1 | what should it be, kernel-18-collie ? |
| 16:43.14 | mewyn | http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html why all politicians should be shot in the head. twice. |
| 16:44.24 | Twiun | mewyn: and then have their heads chopped off |
| 16:44.32 | Twiun | mewyn: you never can be sure with politicians |
| 16:45.51 | mewyn | yah |
| 16:46.23 | mewyn | i want to drive to dc do deliver a special package to this senator right now. a punch in the face. |
| 16:47.10 | Twiun | chainsaw are always so impersonal ;) |
| 16:47.18 | Twiun | s/saw/saws/ |
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| 16:51.23 | crazygogo | hiya... does anyone know whether the Z's spund device has DMA ? |
| 16:51.55 | crazygogo | spund = sound |
| 16:52.10 | mewyn | spund? |
| 16:52.16 | mewyn | what's a spund device? |
| 16:52.20 | crazygogo | sound |
| 16:52.31 | mewyn | wierd name for a sound device |
| 16:52.50 | crazygogo | just read as 'sound device' :) |
| 16:53.12 | TheMasterMind1 | cc -o ccimake -DCROSSCOMPILEDIR=\"/openzaurus/buildroot/output/staging/XXcompiler\" -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 ccimake.c |
| 16:53.12 | TheMasterMind1 | if [ -n "/openzaurus/buildroot/output/staging/XXcompiler" ] ; then \ |
| 16:53.22 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.23 | TheMasterMind1 | /bin/sh: line 1: /openzaurus/buildroot/output/staging/XXcompiler/cc: No such file or directory |
| 16:53.51 | TheMasterMind1 | agupta@nitrogen:/openzaurus/buildroot$ ls output/staging/XXcompiler/cc -alh |
| 16:53.51 | TheMasterMind1 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 agupta TJ04 39 Jun 20 00:51 output/staging/XXcompiler/cc -> /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin/arm-linux-gcc |
| 16:53.54 | TheMasterMind1 | wierd |
| 16:54.12 | kergoth | just rm -rf the xxcompiler stuff, let it recreate it |
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| 16:54.52 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, wonderful |
| 16:55.10 | Speedy2 | Hey pb_ |
| 16:55.12 | TheMasterMind1 | Speedy2: hey, what linux proggy do you use with the stk200 compatible dongle? |
| 16:55.27 | Speedy2 | TheMasterMind1: I don't. |
| 16:55.31 | TheMasterMind1 | oh. |
| 16:55.32 | pb_ | hi Speedy2 |
| 16:55.33 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 16:55.39 | Speedy2 | How goes it Phil? |
| 16:55.48 | TheMasterMind1 | my bios has three parallel port settings, ecp, epp and bi-directional |
| 16:55.50 | TheMasterMind1 | which one should i use |
| 16:55.51 | Speedy2 | TheMasterMind1: I use PonyProg on Windows, though there is a Linux port available. |
| 16:56.01 | pb_ | Speedy2: not too bad. been trying to figure out how to write device drivers for windows ce again. |
| 16:56.01 | Speedy2 | TheMasterMind1: EPP or Bi-directional. |
| 16:56.13 | Speedy2 | pb_: Whoops, that kinda sux. (WINCE) |
| 16:56.22 | pb_ | Yeah, tell me about it. :-/ |
| 16:56.27 | Speedy2 | pb_: What device are you writing drivers for? |
| 16:56.44 | pb_ | Speedy2: our CF USB host card. |
| 16:56.47 | Speedy2 | I've been doing investigation on GPS nav systems and apparently "Tom Tom", a nav system for PocketPC is highly favoured. |
| 16:57.01 | Speedy2 | pb_: Ouch. USB drivers are messy. |
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| 16:57.17 | Speedy2 | Just curious, is there a PocketPC emulator Phil? |
| 16:57.20 | Speedy2 | (for x86/PC) |
| 16:57.34 | pb_ | Yeah, there's some kind of PocketPC emulator shipped with the PocketPC 2002 SDK. |
| 16:57.57 | pb_ | I've never used it though, and I suspect it's not actually a full emulator in the sense of running real pocketpc binaries. |
| 16:57.58 | Speedy2 | I've heard it only executes x86 code though... |
| 16:58.04 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 16:58.21 | pb_ | Yeah, that's what I heard too. I'm not aware of any others though. |
| 16:58.27 | Speedy2 | Lovely. |
| 16:58.52 | pb_ | You could make one using the ARMulator, I guess, if you had the time to write emulations of all the pieces of hardware that were needed. |
| 16:58.56 | Speedy2 | Heh. |
| 16:59.18 | Speedy2 | So your company designed a CF USB card? |
| 16:59.57 | pb_ | Speedy2: Yeah. At the moment we are selling it with Linux drivers only, but realistically most of the market is in pocketpc. |
| 17:00.10 | Speedy2 | pb_: Can you say what chipset or ? |
| 17:00.59 | pb_ | Speedy2: Prefer not to just at the moment. Send me mail if you really want to know. |
| 17:01.51 | Speedy2 | Sure. |
| 17:07.19 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 17:10.53 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: I'm going to implement some additional functions that take a pixel array to draw into as an argument - this'll help us abstract some of the functionality from libFB which is currently too tied into knowing the proper FB rgb encoding |
| 17:11.38 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: aewsome |
| 17:12.23 | Twiun | that'll make it easy to do scaling after fully loading the image too |
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| 17:15.04 | Twiun | hey beattie |
| 17:16.01 | beattie | hey twiun |
| 17:17.25 | beattie | whats up? |
| 17:18.03 | Twiun | still messing with libFB ;) |
| 17:18.23 | Twiun | going to try to get a progress bar thinggy into OZ by Sunday |
| 17:19.02 | beattie | I'm still trying to get something that I can use to debug a device driver on 2.4.18, I think I have an idea |
| 17:19.57 | Twiun | going to use the morse-code stuff with the leds? |
| 17:20.33 | beattie | I thought it through a littl emore and I'm juts going to heve to debug the serial console code |
| 17:21.03 | beattie | oh well |
| 17:22.27 | Twiun | ack, yet another dealy |
| 17:22.31 | Twiun | s/dealy/delay/ |
| 17:22.39 | Twiun | things just never go well |
| 17:23.10 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:23.45 | beattie | yeah it would be nice to have the debuge hardware the original developers used :) |
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| 17:27.00 | TheMasterMind1 | /usr/lib/libgmodule.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 17:27.02 | TheMasterMind1 | *mutter* |
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| 17:27.34 | TheMasterMind1 | /usr/bin/ccache arm-linux-gcc -I/openzaurus/buildroot/output/staging/include -I/openzaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/X11R6/include -I/openzaurus/buildroot/output/staging/target/include -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -mapcs-32 -Wall -Wl,-rpath-link -Wl,/openzaurus/buildroot/output/staging/target/lib -Wl,-rpath-link -Wl,/openzaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/X11R6/lib -o |
| 17:27.34 | TheMasterMind1 | try.o gui-expandos.o gui-printtext.o gui-readline.o gui-windows.o lastlog.o mainwindows.o mainwindow-activity.o mainwindows-layout.o statusbar.o statusbar-config.o statusbar-items.o term.o term-dummy.o tparm.o term-terminfo.o terminfo-core.o textbuffer.o textbuffer-commands.o textbuffer-reformat.o textbuffer-view.o utf8.o irssi.o module-formats.o -rdynamic -Wl,--export-dynamic -L/openzaurus/buildroot/output/staging/target/lib |
| 17:27.35 | TheMasterMind1 | s/buildroot/output/staging/usr/X11R6/lib ../fe-common/irc/libfe_common_irc.a ../fe-common/irc/dcc/libfe_irc_dcc.a ../fe-common/irc/notifylist/libfe_irc_notifylist.a ../fe-common/core/libfe_common_core.a ../irc/libirc.a ../irc/core/libirc_core.a ../irc/dcc/libirc_dcc.a ../irc/flood/libirc_flood.a ../irc/notifylist/libirc_notifylist.a ../core/libcore.a ../lib-config/libirssi_config.a ../lib-popt/libpopt.a /usr/lib/libgmodule.so / |
| 17:27.40 | TheMasterMind1 | lib.so -ldl -L/usr/lib -lssl -lcrypto -lncurses |
| 17:27.42 | TheMasterMind1 | wow, long |
| 17:27.45 | kergoth | eh |
| 17:27.48 | kergoth | dont do that |
| 17:27.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:27.51 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i'm guessing you added irssi? |
| 17:28.10 | kergoth | probably |
| 17:28.49 | TheMasterMind1 | goddamn libtool |
| 17:29.06 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 17:29.18 | TheMasterMind1 | can't we fix it so it doesnt look in /usr at all |
| 17:29.39 | kergoth | we do |
| 17:29.40 | pb_ | kergoth: can you recommend a date or tag for busybox checkout at the moment? |
| 17:29.43 | kergoth | its not in its default paths |
| 17:29.51 | kergoth | but it can still pull it from other places |
| 17:29.53 | TheMasterMind1 | # Run-time system search path for libraries |
| 17:29.54 | TheMasterMind1 | sys_lib_dlsearch_path_spec="/lib /usr/lib" |
| 17:29.56 | kergoth | like any .la files |
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| 17:35.30 | TheMasterMind1 | that was annoying |
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| 17:35.34 | TheMasterMind1 | laptop battery went out |
| 17:36.30 | TheMasterMind1 | so what was i working on again? |
| 17:36.41 | kergoth | larting libtool? |
| 17:37.11 | TheMasterMind1 | ah yes |
| 17:37.59 | TheMasterMind1 | # Compile-time system search path for libraries |
| 17:38.00 | TheMasterMind1 | sys_lib_search_path_spec="$STAGING_DIR/usr/lib" |
| 17:38.02 | TheMasterMind1 | ok so thats set |
| 17:38.14 | TheMasterMind1 | so it *should* be working |
| 17:38.42 | kergoth | are there any .la files in staging |
| 17:40.13 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 17:40.20 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:41.46 | TheMasterMind1 | ../lib-config/libirssi_config.a ../lib-popt/libpopt.a -L/openzaurus/buildroot/output/staging/target/lib -rdynamic -lgmodule -lglib -ldl -L/usr/lib -lssl -lcrypto |
| 17:41.49 | TheMasterMind1 | at the end of the libtool call |
| 17:45.12 | TheMasterMind1 | Use Sharp SL series bootloader parameter (CONFIG_SHARPSL_BOOTLDR_PARAMS) [N/y/?] (NEW) |
| 17:45.14 | TheMasterMind1 | do i want that? |
| 17:45.27 | kergoth | nah |
| 17:46.18 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.31 | kergoth | dunno |
| 17:46.45 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:46.48 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll go with defaults then |
| 17:47.16 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.18 | TheMasterMind1 | intersting stuff |
| 17:47.21 | TheMasterMind1 | should play around with it sometime |
| 17:47.27 | TheMasterMind1 | wonder which patch added all this |
| 17:48.30 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.32 | TheMasterMind1 | ya/no? |
| 17:49.32 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.37 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.40 | TheMasterMind1 | those two things keep repeating |
| 17:49.45 | TheMasterMind1 | gets stuck in an infinite loop |
| 17:50.30 | beattie | TheMasterMind1: got the same thing with 2.4.18 on some USB option |
| 17:52.20 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.27 | TheMasterMind1 | gah, damn usbd |
| 17:52.32 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: policy question for libFB surface support, when calling FB_scale_surface(...) should we modify the original surface or return a new scaled surface? |
| 17:52.35 | kergoth | look at our collie defconfig in 2.4.6 |
| 17:53.39 | kergoth | Twiun: depends on which you think will be the dominant case. will the user need the original content, or no? |
| 17:53.43 | kergoth | bbl, meeting |
| 17:54.26 | Twiun | hmmm... I imagine the more flexible approach would be to return a new surface - regardless |
| 17:54.36 | Twiun | that way the user is responsible for cleaning up |
| 17:57.19 | TheMasterMind1 | grr, this no make sense |
| 17:57.22 | TheMasterMind1 | why does it hang like that |
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| 18:07.28 | Twiun | hmmm, if I want to free a struct, do I need to free any of its members (if they've been allocated using malloc)? |
| 18:08.06 | TheMasterMind1 | i would say no but thats just a random guess |
| 18:08.12 | TheMasterMind1 | then again, it probably doesn't hurt to do so |
| 18:08.22 | TheMasterMind1 | touch /openzaurus/buildroot/stamps/.kernel-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix.ipk |
| 18:08.22 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/openzaurus/buildroot/packages/kernel-collie-18' |
| 18:08.23 | TheMasterMind1 | =D |
| 18:08.49 | Twiun | woohoo :) |
| 18:08.56 | TheMasterMind1 | agupta@nitrogen:/openzaurus/buildroot$ ls output/zImage-2.4.18-5500-40memory-24storage.bin |
| 18:08.56 | TheMasterMind1 | output/zImage-2.4.18-5500-40memory-24storage.bin |
| 18:09.02 | TheMasterMind1 | i rock |
| 18:09.03 | TheMasterMind1 | =D |
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| 18:09.35 | beattie | TheMasterMind1: care to send me your .config ? |
| 18:09.49 | treke | kergoth: ping |
| 18:10.08 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: hmm, ok, but how will it help you. this kernel isn't in the buildroot yet |
| 18:10.20 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: basically, instead of =0 make it =n |
| 18:10.47 | treke | kergoth: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1134 |
| 18:10.47 | beattie | the kernel I'm working oin is not in any buildroot |
| 18:11.01 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: what kernel are you working on |
| 18:11.42 | beattie | I'm trying to get a 2.4.18/19 kernel with serial console so I can try to get the MMC driver working |
| 18:11.58 | beattie | maqke an MMC driver |
| 18:12.09 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: ah, i see. basically i fixed the problem by make menuconfig |
| 18:12.20 | TheMasterMind1 | which set default values for the things that were complaining |
| 18:12.53 | beattie | ok, I'd juts like to see how yours differs from mine |
| 18:14.23 | TheMasterMind1 | k, lemme put it up somewhere |
| 18:14.24 | TheMasterMind1 | one sec |
| 18:14.59 | TheMasterMind1 | www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/junk/ |
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| 18:16.06 | beattie | thanks |
| 18:19.33 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, ponyprog says "device missing or unknown device" |
| 18:22.21 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you make an image with the buildroot again |
| 18:29.43 | TheMasterMind1 | (insn 21057 21054 10158 (set (reg:QI 2 r2) |
| 18:29.44 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.44 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.44 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.46 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm still getting that |
| 18:29.54 | TheMasterMind1 | pb_: switched to 2.95.4 and still same thing |
| 18:30.23 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: make image |
| 18:31.05 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: and make image_config ? |
| 18:31.15 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i do the image menuconfig |
| 18:31.19 | TheMasterMind1 | beh, stupid konq |
| 18:35.54 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: hm, darn. maybe the fix was only in the debian patchset for 2.95.4. |
| 18:36.22 | TheMasterMind1 | thats what we're using though |
| 18:36.27 | TheMasterMind1 | debian sources for gcc |
| 18:36.46 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe an older patchset |
| 18:36.58 | TheMasterMind1 | ds14 |
| 18:37.07 | TheMasterMind1 | debian revision 15 |
| 18:37.50 | pb_ | hm, should be ok. |
| 18:37.56 | pb_ | maybe that's a different bug to the one I was thinking of, then. |
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| 18:45.48 | pb_ | andersee: http://tinylogin.busybox.net/mailman/listinfo/tinylogin/ is 403. |
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| 18:48.22 | andersee | pb_: go to http://codepoet.org/mailman/listinfo/tinylogin/ |
| 18:49.16 | pb_ | andersee: thanks |
| 18:53.02 | TheMasterMind1 | NeoTron: here? |
| 18:53.18 | Neo|Work | TheMasterMind1: yes |
| 18:53.48 | TheMasterMind1 | Neo|Work: i'm looking for sample code and/or docs for sdl_net sdl_image sdl_ttf and all the other sdl libs |
| 18:53.52 | TheMasterMind1 | can't seem to find anything |
| 18:54.33 | Neo|Work | hmm |
| 18:54.40 | Neo|Work | better ask in #sdl or on the sdl list I think |
| 18:56.09 | TheMasterMind1 | k thanks |
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| 19:05.28 | TheMasterMind1 | should be a #bw-chat or something.. |
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| 19:10.56 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: make image_menuconfig read up on docs/BUILD ;) |
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| 19:12.00 | ljp-zaurus | ooohhhhhh |
| 19:12.15 | ljp-zaurus | farout |
| 19:12.41 | ljp-zaurus | wake up!! |
| 19:12.45 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp-zaurus: hey |
| 19:12.55 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp-zaurus: is opie1.0 going to have better docs tab |
| 19:13.02 | ljp-zaurus | got a wifi card |
| 19:13.26 | ljp-zaurus | it does as soon as I commit |
| 19:13.26 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 19:13.28 | TheMasterMind1 | (insn 1014 1011 46 (set (reg:QI 3 r3) |
| 19:13.28 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.28 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.28 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.32 | TheMasterMind1 | even php is getting that error |
| 19:13.36 | TheMasterMind1 | damnitdamitdamit |
| 19:13.51 | ljp-zaurus | hmmm |
| 19:13.55 | Neo|Work | what's that? assembler programming using lisp syntax? :) |
| 19:14.14 | ljp-zaurus | you working on a docstab |
| 19:14.31 | ljp-zaurus | wheres the question mark |
| 19:14.42 | TheMasterMind1 | Neo|Work: i dunno, its a gcc error |
| 19:14.46 | ljp-zaurus | heh I cant ask questions |
| 19:15.02 | treke | tsaotsao: gcc spews out lisp like code hen it dies |
| 19:15.12 | treke | s/tsaotsao/neowork |
| 19:15.22 | andersee | So what is the latest re MMC / SD cards? |
| 19:15.29 | TheMasterMind1 | konq and php both used to compile just fine with the orig toolchain |
| 19:15.36 | TheMasterMind1 | its just in the ones we're building that this is happening |
| 19:15.37 | TheMasterMind1 | why oh why |
| 19:15.49 | TheMasterMind1 | andersee: we have a kernel module for SD cards for .18 |
| 19:15.50 | andersee | Which should I buy for my Z, and where is the best place to buy them? |
| 19:17.02 | treke | andersee: conventional wisdom is to avoid SanDisk like the plague |
| 19:17.23 | andersee | TheMasterMind1: so... given that we can talk to either MMC or SD, is one better than the other? |
| 19:17.29 | TheMasterMind1 | not really |
| 19:17.39 | treke | SD comes in larger sizes |
| 19:17.54 | treke | but sufferes from the binary lockin |
| 19:18.40 | andersee | Recommended brands? |
| 19:19.35 | Neo|Work | TheMasterMind1: ah |
| 19:19.48 | treke | andersee: 128mb is the first I've seen reliable evidence of :p |
| 19:19.50 | Neo|Work | now when you say it, I do remember seeing it myself |
| 19:21.40 | andersee | I see plenty of 128 MB MMC cards on ebay. |
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| 19:25.54 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: what cflags are you using for that compile? I have a recollection it goes away under -march=armv4. |
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| 19:26.44 | TheMasterMind1 | using that |
| 19:26.45 | TheMasterMind1 | /usr/bin/ccache arm-linux-gcc -Imain/ -I/openzaurus/buildroot/build/php-4.3.2/main/ -DPHP_ATOM_INC -I/openzaurus/buildroot/build/php-4.3.2/include -I/openzaurus/buildroot/build/php-4.3.2/main -I/openzaurus/buildroot/build/php-4.3.2 -I/openzaurus/buildroot/build/php-4.3.2/Zend -I/openzaurus/buildroot/build/php-4.3.2/ext/zlib/zlib-inc/include -I/openzaurus/buildroot/build/php-4.3.2/ext/xml/expat -I/openzaurus/buildroot/build/php-4 |
| 19:26.46 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.19 | pb_ | oh well. in that case, maybe it's time to get with the 21st century and use gcc 3. |
| 19:30.00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: any idea? |
| 19:30.38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'd be inclined to agree with pb. we're using gcc3 for the base system for future releases anyway |
| 19:30.51 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:30.55 | TheMasterMind1 | but it like.. doesnt' work |
| 19:30.58 | TheMasterMind1 | with older apps |
| 19:31.04 | kergoth | eh? |
| 19:31.07 | pb_ | too bad. fix the apps. |
| 19:31.11 | kergoth | exactly |
| 19:31.14 | kergoth | there arent many |
| 19:31.15 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:31.21 | TheMasterMind1 | thats not what i meant |
| 19:31.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i mean, it won't work with all the ipks on killefiz |
| 19:31.31 | kergoth | .. |
| 19:31.38 | kergoth | i said *Base SYSTEM* |
| 19:31.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:31.45 | TheMasterMind1 | what does that include |
| 19:31.47 | kergoth | qt+qtopia != base |
| 19:31.49 | TheMasterMind1 | not konq/e |
| 19:31.52 | kergoth | everything that isnt qt/e derived |
| 19:31.54 | TheMasterMind1 | which is dying because of this problem |
| 19:31.55 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: ipks are binary. you don't use gcc with binaries. |
| 19:32.00 | kergoth | so deal with it |
| 19:32.03 | kergoth | or use a more stable toolchain |
| 19:32.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:33.04 | TheMasterMind1 | *mutter* |
| 19:33.13 | TheMasterMind1 | this is all because you said "build your own toolchain" |
| 19:33.22 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:33.26 | kergoth | you wanted bleeding edge |
| 19:33.31 | ljp-zaurus | i was working on adding qtopia, got bored with it |
| 19:33.44 | TheMasterMind1 | no, i didn't, i wanted a toolchain and there were none on the site |
| 19:33.45 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:33.48 | kergoth | i added tmake and qmake oeclasses to the new system |
| 19:33.50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: bullshit. |
| 19:33.51 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme see if i can find some stuff about this |
| 19:33.53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ls old/ |
| 19:34.02 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yea yea |
| 19:34.17 | ljp-zaurus | is new oe build workable yet |
| 19:34.27 | kergoth | it builds things |
| 19:34.32 | kergoth | but doesnt have shit for packages in it yet |
| 19:34.34 | kergoth | just glibc and ipkg |
| 19:35.02 | TheMasterMind1 | is it because im' using gcc3.3 to compile the toolchain? |
| 19:35.31 | kergoth | anyone have a debian chroot environment handy? |
| 19:35.31 | chouimat|pack | arrrgggg make sources die in fetching ResumeGuard |
| 19:35.38 | treke | TheMasterMind1: there are toolchains on openzaurus.org |
| 19:36.55 | kergoth | chouimat|pack: yep, ran into that myself last night |
| 19:37.25 | Twiun | tr |
| 19:37.27 | Twiun | re |
| 19:42.30 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: btw, kernel built |
| 19:42.38 | TheMasterMind1 | zImage-2.4.18-5500-40memory-24storage.bin |
| 19:42.49 | kergoth | cool. tried booting it? |
| 19:42.52 | TheMasterMind1 | not yet |
| 19:43.54 | cyn | <starfox commander> Good Luck |
| 19:44.06 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:45.16 | TheMasterMind1 | eww, the sharp logo |
| 19:45.27 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:45.35 | kergoth | you shouldve used the patches in kernel-c700/Makefile |
| 19:45.45 | TheMasterMind1 | i did |
| 19:45.48 | TheMasterMind1 | except logo |
| 19:45.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:45.56 | TheMasterMind1 | since that was weird, it was making it like 500x20 or something |
| 19:45.59 | TheMasterMind1 | the logo image size |
| 19:46.11 | TheMasterMind1 | ok well.. sharp logo is showing.. cursor is blinking |
| 19:46.16 | TheMasterMind1 | does this mean it works? :) |
| 19:46.24 | cyn | wait wha |
| 19:46.26 | kergoth | heh, it doesnt work until you know it mounts the rootfs fine |
| 19:46.33 | cyn | did he make a 5500 image or a 700 image |
| 19:46.39 | kergoth | cyn: testing the 2.4.18 stock 5500 kernel |
| 19:46.42 | cyn | well, has to be 5500 coz its a 40 24 |
| 19:46.51 | kergoth | cyn: since we havent the time to completely 2.4.19 for 3.2.5 |
| 19:46.54 | kergoth | complete rather |
| 19:47.02 | TheMasterMind1 | +#define LOGO_H 52 |
| 19:47.02 | TheMasterMind1 | +#define LOGO_W 240 |
| 19:47.04 | TheMasterMind1 | is that right? |
| 19:47.09 | TheMasterMind1 | for 5x00 |
| 19:47.13 | cyn | just curious coz ya mentioned patches for c700 |
| 19:47.16 | kergoth | looks right |
| 19:47.27 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds like a weird size |
| 19:47.29 | TheMasterMind1 | is that the one i made? |
| 19:47.33 | kergoth | cyn: yeah, the same source tree is used for c700 and 5600 as for 5500 (sharp 3.1) |
| 19:47.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah |
| 19:47.44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:47.46 | TheMasterMind1 | figures |
| 19:48.26 | TheMasterMind1 | ok so what would cause it to just sit here blinking |
| 19:48.45 | kergoth | set your console= |
| 19:48.48 | kergoth | so you get some messages |
| 19:48.59 | TheMasterMind1 | set it to what, tty0? |
| 19:49.05 | kergoth | yeah |
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| 19:49.09 | kergoth | console=tty0 should be fine |
| 19:49.16 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 19:49.25 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, thats what debug does |
| 19:49.30 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:50.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:50.37 | kergoth | in what way? |
| 19:50.55 | TheMasterMind1 | aww, recompiled toolchain with latest debian patchset |
| 19:50.56 | TheMasterMind1 | same problem |
| 19:50.58 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 19:51.23 | chouimat|pack | kergoth: commit and bugs can be queried by bugzillla etc etc |
| 19:51.57 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm, i can't figure out what to do about this |
| 19:52.10 | TheMasterMind1 | when you make oldconfig, it goes into an infinite loop in one of the usb options |
| 19:52.11 | chouimat|pack | kergoth: so that way I will be able to see which commit close or try to close which bugs |
| 19:52.21 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm just going to make it run make menuconfig instead |
| 19:52.26 | TheMasterMind1 | so you have to go and exit out of it |
| 19:52.28 | TheMasterMind1 | but atleast it works |
| 19:53.01 | kergoth | chouimat|pack: easier with bk.. cvs doesnt have anything like 'changeset's so its more difficult |
| 19:53.27 | chouimat|pack | kergoth: I know but I found cvszilla on the net |
| 19:53.36 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:54.02 | chouimat|pack | kergoth: we're usinng cvs for some project so ... |
| 19:54.07 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 19:54.22 | kergoth | i'm working on bugzilla integration with the oe build infrastructure |
| 19:54.35 | kergoth | adding an evfent handler to open a bug report on package build failure |
| 19:55.27 | chouimat|pack | kergoth: it's what I'm doing here ... and since I can use kbugbuster to have access to the database ... |
| 19:56.33 | TheMasterMind1 | are there any stable 2.95.4 toolchains? |
| 19:57.15 | masticator_ | wassup dudes. |
| 19:57.34 | chouimat|pack | masticator_: packing my appartment |
| 19:58.46 | Neo|Work | chouimat|pack: moving somewhere? |
| 19:58.47 | kergoth | hey masticator_. |
| 19:59.13 | chouimat|pack | Neo|Work: back to mom's house |
| 19:59.21 | chouimat|pack | and no comments |
| 20:00.02 | chouimat|pack | Neo|Work: and any way my rent is finish at the end of the month so I was forced to move anyway |
| 20:00.04 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm, wtf. still getting a sharp boot screen |
| 20:00.04 | masticator_ | WASHINGTON (AFP) - A US congressional panel considered whether overweight Americans should be able to sue restaurants and other food makers for obesity-related health costs. |
| 20:00.04 | masticator_ | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20030620/od_nm/life_tonguesplitting_dc |
| 20:00.07 | masticator_ | that is messed up |
| 20:00.08 | TheMasterMind1 | and nothing on console |
| 20:00.32 | masticator_ | "I like the way it looks," he said, listing his reasons. "Two, I think it will be more fun during oral sex and the girls will get a kick out of it. Three, everyone and their mother has their tongue pierced and four, I'm an idiot." |
| 20:00.36 | masticator_ | whhops |
| 20:01.06 | beattie | TheMasterMind1: I'm not sure the console stuff works in the Sharp 2.4.18 :) |
| 20:01.13 | masticator_ | I hate windows cut and paste |
| 20:01.22 | masticator_ | never freakin works exactly right |
| 20:01.39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: did the logo patch actually work on corgi/poodle? |
| 20:01.45 | cyn | that looks like it pasted the CR and you had to hit enter to send |
| 20:01.55 | cyn | so you pasted 3 times because it wasnt showin up, then finally hit enter :P |
| 20:02.02 | masticator_ | yeah |
| 20:02.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: corgi yeah, dunno about poodle |
| 20:02.46 | kergoth | masticator_: thats messed up |
| 20:02.47 | masticator_ | corgi? |
| 20:02.52 | masticator_ | thats the c700 arch? |
| 20:03.06 | kergoth | ibot: corgi |
| 20:03.07 | | hmm... corgi is sharp sl-c700, or a dog |
| 20:03.10 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ok, got it. |
| 20:03.16 | masticator_ | ibot: poodle |
| 20:03.16 | | somebody said poodle was sharp sl-b500/5600, or a dog |
| 20:03.36 | masticator_ | do we know the name of the 750/760 arch yet? |
| 20:03.51 | Neo|Work | "But for believers in modification, a split tongue is merely a start. Split penises, sliced lengthwise in half, are not unheard of among aficionados. |
| 20:03.51 | Neo|Work | " |
| 20:03.57 | Neo|Work | now THAT is REALLY fucked up |
| 20:03.57 | chouimat|pack | masticator_: this just stupid ... 'taking your responsability' will be something of the past soon |
| 20:04.03 | kergoth | Neo|Work: oh fuck that. |
| 20:04.14 | chouimat|pack | Neo|Work: ? |
| 20:04.15 | masticator_ | split penises is going way too far |
| 20:04.15 | kergoth | people are messed up |
| 20:04.21 | Neo|Work | chouimat|pack: the URL masticator_ pasted |
| 20:04.46 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.49 | TheMasterMind1 | is that bad ;) |
| 20:04.50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hah |
| 20:04.52 | *** mode/#openembedded [+o Masticator] by ChanServ |
| 20:05.37 | Twiun | could be problematic I suppose |
| 20:06.00 | Masticator | my understanding is the 750/760 arch is not fundamentally different than the 700 arch |
| 20:06.08 | kergoth | Masticator: thats what i'd expect |
| 20:06.10 | Masticator | the pxa 255 is pin compat with the 250 |
| 20:06.28 | andersee | Masticator: its different enough that I want a 760 though... :-) |
| 20:06.35 | Masticator | yeah I want one too |
| 20:06.48 | Masticator | cant get free rides anymore, though. |
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| 20:09.24 | Twiun | can't you do another review or something? |
| 20:10.04 | Twiun | Masticator: are you keeping up with Shawn's trials and tribulations? |
| 20:11.26 | Masticator | no |
| 20:11.30 | Masticator | whats his problem now |
| 20:11.40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, sshhhh. he might read the ibot logs =D |
| 20:12.20 | Twiun | Masticator: he's changing his pricing/release structure - and the tkc mailing list if full of people bitching |
| 20:12.37 | Masticator | well, thats his perogative, its his company |
| 20:12.58 | Masticator | dont use TKC shit then |
| 20:13.04 | Masticator | use open source stuff |
| 20:13.04 | Twiun | Absolutely - it's just the user's comments I find funny - not his position |
| 20:13.30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, uhoh. compile dies in the jffs2 code |
| 20:13.37 | Masticator | so he's raising his prices? |
| 20:13.40 | Masticator | significantly? |
| 20:13.40 | Twiun | lol, I have a few tkc apps, I just develop in console all the time so I never get to use any gui stuff |
| 20:14.15 | cyn | you don't get the bus speed increase if you just swapped the pxa 255 in on the c700 though, would you? |
| 20:14.31 | Masticator | no |
| 20:14.34 | Twiun | no, the main sticking point is "Updates are no longer free in perpetuity - minor version upgrades are free: 2.3->2.4" |
| 20:14.35 | Masticator | its the chipset |
| 20:14.38 | cyn | you'd just get the cache fix |
| 20:14.52 | Twiun | Masticator: he's basically going to the pricing structure the rest of the world follows |
| 20:14.53 | cyn | Twiun: oh everyone does that |
| 20:14.56 | cyn | yea |
| 20:15.06 | Twiun | it's the switch which is making people bitch ;) |
| 20:15.09 | Masticator | I really dont see a problem with that |
| 20:15.10 | chouimat|pack | Masticator: when to laugh read the thread: http://lists.kde.org/?t=105611574100003&r=1&w=2 |
| 20:15.12 | cyn | well |
| 20:15.24 | cyn | if they bought it under the statement that all upgrades would always be free |
| 20:15.29 | Twiun | Masticator: neither do I, I just thought it interesting to discuss |
| 20:15.30 | cyn | then they have every right to bitch |
| 20:16.01 | Twiun | Masticator: I'm also a company director now, so I try to learn from these things |
| 20:16.22 | cyn | Twiun: do you know if it was ever stated that all future updates will be free of charge /etc. |
| 20:16.54 | Twiun | cyn: Any businessman would be very wary of making that statement in any case |
| 20:17.04 | cyn | yeah thats why I doubt it was made |
| 20:17.12 | Twiun | cyn: I never took Tkc's offers on that basis anyway |
| 20:17.13 | cyn | which means they have no reason to truly bitch |
| 20:17.26 | cyn | you buy software with support to keep that software working |
| 20:17.26 | Twiun | no, but people will do so at the slightest excuse |
| 20:17.35 | cyn | with the assumption that any major bugs will be released as updates |
| 20:17.47 | cyn | FEATURE improvements are not assumed to be free |
| 20:17.56 | cyn | that's my view of it |
| 20:18.27 | cyn | if I buy software I expect to get it as-is of that time, with the belief that I can get a smoother working one for free, but not a more feature rich one, basically |
| 20:18.42 | Twiun | right, and I'm sure there's more things to muddy the waters - what I'm going to take from this is to be very, very careful with what customers hear from me |
| 20:18.51 | cyn | hell yea |
| 20:18.58 | cyn | so what do you do for an actual day job |
| 20:19.05 | Twiun | jobhunting ;) |
| 20:19.08 | cyn | haha |
| 20:19.14 | cyn | but you're a company director you said |
| 20:19.15 | Twiun | directorships don't earn squat in my company ;) |
| 20:19.17 | cyn | isn't that cushy? |
| 20:19.23 | Twiun | we just incorporated |
| 20:19.30 | cyn | startup? |
| 20:19.44 | Twiun | yeah - and to get grants you need a company, so we made one ;) |
| 20:19.46 | cyn | you should be investorhunting not jobhunting |
| 20:19.58 | cyn | yeah I was thinking about trying to get some grant money for research |
| 20:20.04 | cyn | so, that's basically what you did then? |
| 20:20.06 | Twiun | nah, no point hunting for an investor until the business idea is solid |
| 20:20.20 | Twiun | yeah - although we need to get our business plan in order to get the grant |
| 20:20.32 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yay, logo works |
| 20:20.33 | Twiun | and the grant is 60/40 split |
| 20:20.45 | Twiun | we show we have 4-%, they give us 60% |
| 20:20.49 | Twiun | 40% even |
| 20:21.13 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: you working on 2.4.18 ? |
| 20:21.16 | TheMasterMind1 | ya |
| 20:21.20 | chouimat|away | bb later |
| 20:21.23 | mickeyl | great. how's it progressing? |
| 20:21.29 | TheMasterMind1 | getting there |
| 20:21.33 | TheMasterMind1 | it compiles |
| 20:21.39 | TheMasterMind1 | sorta runs on my 5500 |
| 20:21.40 | Twiun | cyn: this company won't be making money for at least 1.5 years, so I need something else in the meantime |
| 20:21.44 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: sorta? :D |
| 20:21.58 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, well it doesn't kill the unit. the code that shows a logo on the fb is working |
| 20:21.58 | Twiun | cyn: and prospective employers don't really need to know I'm a director ;) |
| 20:22.05 | TheMasterMind1 | so i know fb drivers are working atleast |
| 20:22.09 | TheMasterMind1 | then it just sits there |
| 20:22.13 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: great - keep going. looking forward to ship 3.2.5 with 2.4.18... |
| 20:22.29 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl: yep, and we16 and orinoco 13e =D |
| 20:22.32 | TheMasterMind1 | with active scanning! |
| 20:22.39 | mickeyl | yeah! :) |
| 20:22.46 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: I've got 2.4.18 running on my 5000d without problem (mainly anyway) |
| 20:22.49 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl: toolchains i'm building are all dying on building konq/e and php and some other things |
| 20:22.51 | TheMasterMind1 | very annoying |
| 20:22.54 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: oh? |
| 20:22.58 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: when, how |
| 20:22.58 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: didn't try opie though |
| 20:23.04 | TheMasterMind1 | did you compile it? |
| 20:23.07 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: yup |
| 20:23.12 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: using the buildroot |
| 20:23.15 | Twiun | no changes |
| 20:23.18 | TheMasterMind1 | what? |
| 20:23.20 | TheMasterMind1 | how did you do that |
| 20:23.33 | Twiun | it built cleanly |
| 20:23.47 | Twiun | only problem is kergoth's keyboard driver+suspend issues |
| 20:23.56 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: oh, you're talking about .19 |
| 20:23.58 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm talking about .18 |
| 20:24.00 | TheMasterMind1 | different stuff |
| 20:24.05 | TheMasterMind1 | had me really confused there for a while |
| 20:24.07 | Twiun | god, yeah, sorry |
| 20:24.12 | Twiun | confused myself too ;) |
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| 20:24.31 | Twiun | I know why. I'd named the download dir to .18 |
| 20:24.43 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:24.48 | mickeyl | if we got that 3.2.5 with Opie 1.0 out, we really have time for a number of great new things. I'm especially looking forward to uclibc and gcc 3.x |
| 20:24.50 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: so console= dosn't work in .18? |
| 20:24.57 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl: mnnn |
| 20:25.01 | Neo|Work | is .18 better than .19 for binary driver reasons? |
| 20:25.11 | TheMasterMind1 | Neo|Work: no, its not better in any way |
| 20:25.13 | mickeyl | NeoTron: shouldn't make a difference |
| 20:25.21 | TheMasterMind1 | its just .19 is going to take a wile |
| 20:25.21 | Neo|Work | so... why? :-) |
| 20:25.23 | TheMasterMind1 | while |
| 20:25.31 | Twiun | mickeyl: who was working uclibc again? |
| 20:25.31 | TheMasterMind1 | and we can push out .18 in next release and match the sharp rom |
| 20:25.54 | Neo|Work | Oh, confusing. I thought .19 worked |
| 20:26.13 | Twiun | Neo|Work: nah, read my comments and s/.18/.19/ ;) |
| 20:26.17 | TheMasterMind1 | Neo|Work: kinda works, still parts left to be finished. and then we need lots of testing |
| 20:26.18 | mickeyl | Twiun: i was. now the only thing missing is a toolchain build and I'm waiting for kergoth to do that if he comes to it (buried in the todo list... ya know ;) |
| 20:26.40 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl: toolchain build? |
| 20:26.52 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 20:26.54 | TheMasterMind1 | for uclibc |
| 20:26.54 | TheMasterMind1 | nm |
| 20:26.58 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: yeah. teaching binutils and gcc how to make a uclibc toolchan |
| 20:27.02 | mickeyl | toolchain even |
| 20:27.18 | mickeyl | in buildroot of course. i can make one outside, but i want it in the buildroot :) |
| 20:27.40 | beattie | TheMasterMind1: I have not seen console= work and if I enable serial console support it won't boot |
| 20:28.55 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: hrm |
| 20:28.59 | TheMasterMind1 | thats annoying. |
| 20:29.59 | beattie | very, I was planning of trying to debug it, but dispite being unemployed don't have as much time to work on it as I might like |
| 20:30.23 | beattie | so it may take a little while for me to figure it out |
| 20:31.20 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll figure it out |
| 20:31.34 | TheMasterMind1 | the thing thats annoying me right now is the failing builds because of the stupid toolchain |
| 20:32.06 | beattie | well I gave up on buildroot, I'm just building the kernel |
| 20:32.12 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:32.19 | TheMasterMind1 | i already got it all incorporated into the buildroot |
| 20:32.57 | beattie | I got tired of buildroot failing form day to day, the joys of the bleadng edge |
| 20:33.36 | TheMasterMind1 | its been surprisingly stable for me so far |
| 20:33.48 | TheMasterMind1 | compiled all of qte, opie, kernel etc without fails |
| 20:35.23 | beattie | well since all I care about right now is the kernel... |
| 20:35.38 | TheMasterMind1 | grr, wtf is going on |
| 20:35.46 | TheMasterMind1 | i want messages!! |
| 20:36.50 | beattie | well if I can get a serial or USB connection I may just rely on dmesg :) |
| 20:39.00 | kergoth | sounds like that 2.4.18 tree doesnt use LogoScreen per 2.4.6, but uses their new logo display as used in the c700 kernel |
| 20:39.15 | kergoth | if you read my kernel CMDLINE= in the c700 defconfig, you'll see i disable *their* logo and disable the stock one |
| 20:39.31 | kergoth | s/disable the stock/enable the stock/ |
| 20:39.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:40.32 | Twiun | kergoth: simple command set for the daemon: "value min max", "load filename.png", "die".... anything else you can think of? |
| 20:40.34 | kergoth | their stock logo doesnt support scrolling the display. even if it boots, you'll only see a single line at the boittom of the screen for display |
| 20:40.40 | kergoth | Twiun: hmm |
| 20:40.44 | kergoth | Twiun: nothing offhand |
| 20:40.55 | Twiun | erm... "value min cur max" even |
| 20:41.21 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whoa.. |
| 20:41.22 | Twiun | ok, I'll work those in |
| 20:41.27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you know that hybrid patch that guy made |
| 20:41.30 | TheMasterMind1 | for .18 |
| 20:41.33 | TheMasterMind1 | its freaking insane |
| 20:41.39 | TheMasterMind1 | so much shit is changed |
| 20:41.52 | TheMasterMind1 | like all of jffs2, and he added fonts and a lot of other weird stuff |
| 20:42.17 | Twiun | obviously not a patch that'd go past Linus then ;) |
| 20:42.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:42.34 | Twiun | cat patch > /dev/null |
| 20:42.36 | kergoth | at a *minimum* it needs to be split |
| 20:42.43 | kergoth | if we want new jffs2, we'll pull it from mtd cvs |
| 20:42.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:43.01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i got logo working, it was just cuz sharp_logo was enabled so it was overriding our logo. but its not spewing any text to the fb even if i set console=tty0 or if i don't speicfy a console= at all |
| 20:44.03 | TheMasterMind1 | our logo is ugly btw, pingi needs to be replaced with one of scanline's OE logos |
| 20:44.17 | TheMasterMind1 | anyway, any debugging ideas? |
| 20:44.37 | andersee | BTW, what exactly is spewing out out the oz penguin's mount? It looks like it is barfing... |
| 20:44.40 | andersee | :-) |
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| 20:45.28 | kergoth | andersee: fire, its a godzilla penguin... 'zaurus' |
| 20:45.32 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:45.54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I doubt we'll go with scanline's, but instead the ones done by jason's friend |
| 20:45.56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: regardless, yes we need a new logo |
| 20:46.02 | andersee | kergoth: oh |
| 20:46.05 | TheMasterMind1 | yea we can figure that out |
| 20:46.14 | TheMasterMind1 | gimme some ideas on how to figure out this kernel issue |
| 20:46.30 | andersee | I like the rest of the penguin. But I never realized it was supposed to be fire... |
| 20:46.37 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:49.55 | TheMasterMind1 | +CONFIG_CMDLINE="root=/dev/mtdblock0 console=ttyS0" |
| 20:49.55 | TheMasterMind1 | +# CONFIG_SHARPSL_BOOTLDR_PARAMS is not set |
| 20:49.56 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:52.53 | TheMasterMind1 | bah, i give up |
| 20:53.22 | TheMasterMind1 | toolchain can't build and the kernel won't boot |
| 20:54.37 | beattie | does anybody know what CONFIG_SHARPSL_BOOTLDR_PARAMS does? |
| 20:56.47 | kergoth | yes, it gets the params as passed by the sharp bootloader |
| 20:56.53 | kergoth | which will override the compiled in cmdline |
| 20:57.08 | beattie | ok |
| 20:59.44 | cyn | ahahaha that's fire? |
| 20:59.48 | cyn | I thought it was a tiny umbrella |
| 21:00.00 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:00.07 | cyn | like some random cute chibi anime penguin-zilla thing |
| 21:00.17 | cyn | the last thing you expect is an umbrella, so it stood to reason that was what it would be |
| 21:00.36 | Twiun | hmmm, we'd best move on swiftly to the new designs then :) |
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| 21:26.51 | Twiun | if I'm using sscanf(cmd,"%*s %s",...) should I have one or two arguments to receive values? |
| 21:27.04 | Twiun | I want to discard the first value here |
| 21:28.17 | kergoth | NOTE: package glibc-2.3.1-r0: task do_fetch succeeded |
| 21:28.18 | kergoth | NOTE: package glibc-2.3.1-r0: task do_package_ipkg started |
| 21:28.18 | kergoth | Packaged contents of libc6 into ./libc6_2.3.1-r0_arm.ipk |
| 21:28.18 | kergoth | NOTE: package glibc-2.3.1-r0: task do_package_ipkg succeeded |
| 21:28.37 | kergoth | new system can build ipks or tarballs now. working on rpm and deb |
| 21:28.58 | Twiun | great work :) |
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| 21:42.56 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: any hardware/driver reason why the battery applet cannot show the batteries charge when charging, like my laptop can do? |
| 21:43.57 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: yes, when it reads the voltages with AC on, they dont accurately reflect only whats coming from the battery. |
| 21:44.22 | kergoth | I dont know how its different in a laptop, i know little about x86 arch |
| 21:44.33 | ljp_laptop | figures |
| 21:44.39 | pb_ | kergoth: presumably the DC offset is more or less constant, or at least deterministic, so you could factor it out. |
| 21:45.39 | kergoth | pb_: thats true. |
| 21:48.39 | ljp_laptop | was there anyone else working on a new docstab? |
| 21:48.39 | ljp_laptop | or will that be included in the launcher changes? |
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| 21:56.09 | Twiun | kergoth: ok, got those three commands to work ;) |
| 21:56.39 | Twiun | kergoth: might allow the progress rect and colours to be specified by a command too |
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| 21:57.14 | Twiun | although I have to say I got a bit singed in #c asking for help ;) |
| 21:57.18 | Twiun | "Twiun use array, you are clueless when it comes to pointers" |
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| 21:58.12 | Twiun | it doesn't already? that's supposed to be a bios option |
| 21:58.21 | treke | Twiun: it isnt on that machine |
| 21:59.15 | kergoth | treke: 2.5 has something for that.. |
| 21:59.24 | kergoth | oh no, thats hang |
| 21:59.27 | kergoth | not power loss |
| 21:59.28 | kergoth | ah well |
| 21:59.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:00.18 | treke | yeah the kernel cant do much about that :p |
| 22:00.22 | treke | Twiun: its an old board |
| 22:00.32 | treke | abit bx6-2 |
| 22:00.51 | Twiun | kergoth: even 2.4 kernels have a software watchdog, it's not just a 2.5 thing |
| 22:00.58 | Twiun | treke: ack |
| 22:01.03 | Twiun | it's going to be difficult then |
| 22:01.10 | treke | Twiun: not particularly |
| 22:01.13 | Twiun | no? |
| 22:01.20 | treke | Twiun: just involves getting a new motherboard/cpu :p |
| 22:01.36 | Twiun | Ahhhh, I should've said, "difficult using the same hardware" :) |
| 22:01.43 | treke | hehe |
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| 22:02.00 | treke | the problem would go away if my host could get a permit for their generator |
| 22:02.31 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: the launcher rework will change the interface you'll use, but work you do on a new docs tab wont be wasted, we'll just change the interface. no biggie. |
| 22:03.07 | ljp_laptop | well, all I have done is subclass ofileselector, and stick it in |
| 22:07.20 | ljp_laptop | bbl, bachelour party to attend... |
| 22:13.48 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: http://www.openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/ProgressDaemon |
| 22:13.55 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: feel free to add to the list |
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| 22:16.10 | Twiun | anyway, time for bed - I'll package this up nicely tomorrow :) |
| 22:16.15 | Twiun | g'night! |
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| 23:28.13 | xc | Um. |
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| 23:32.47 | _ibz | boo! |
| 23:34.22 | beattie | boo hoo? |
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