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| 03:55.33 | Neo|Work | as in, it implements the basic set of regexp features? |
| 03:55.56 | treke|home | yup. Missing one I was hoping to use :p |
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| 06:55.37 | mithro | sonix`: what are you doing? |
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| 07:52.54 | mithro | hey Twiun |
| 07:53.20 | mithro | still not having much luck with the rotation stuff |
| 07:53.25 | mithro | s/rotation/resize |
| 07:56.26 | Twiun | hey mithro |
| 07:56.29 | Twiun | how come? |
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| 07:57.15 | schurig | Twiun: hi! How's your libfb? |
| 07:57.30 | Twiun | schurig: no changes since I went to bed last night :) |
| 07:57.53 | Twiun | schurig: but the good news is that bdf looks to be a really easy font format to read |
| 07:58.10 | Twiun | schurig: http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2136 |
| 07:58.13 | mithro | Twiun: but my wireless cf card turned up today |
| 07:58.22 | mithro | it's a lowpower seano card |
| 07:59.24 | Twiun | mithro: so you'll be able to develop more easily? |
| 07:59.49 | mithro | Twiun: well i've gotten to the point where the launcher resizes correctly |
| 07:59.59 | mithro | but i can't convince any applications running at the time to resize... |
| 08:00.17 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 08:00.33 | Twiun | may need code inside the launcher to give them a poke |
| 08:00.55 | mithro | yeah i've tried poking in them many diffrent ways |
| 08:01.05 | mithro | but none of it seem to help :( |
| 08:02.20 | Twiun | were you able to talk to kergoth? he's been rewriting this stuff |
| 08:02.28 | mithro | yeah |
| 08:02.39 | mithro | he didn't have many ideas either :( |
| 08:02.58 | mithro | somehow i have to convince all the applications to release there gfx buffers |
| 08:03.34 | Twiun | how do they respond to the 'on-the-fly' rotation stuff? |
| 08:04.04 | mithro | the other problem is most of the rotation code is in qte |
| 08:04.12 | mithro | and i don't want to change qte... |
| 08:05.05 | mithro | in theory if the rotation code worked i should just be able to issue a resize then a rotation |
| 08:05.22 | mithro | but if i do that the apps just rotate they don't release/renew there gfx buffers... |
| 08:06.13 | Twiun | ah yes... the buffers are still the same size :( |
| 08:06.52 | Twiun | have you emailed the qt-embedded trolltech list? |
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| 08:19.12 | mickeyl | moin |
| 08:20.42 | mithro | hey mickeyl |
| 08:21.07 | darmou | Has anyonew been able port the Hancom apps from the new sharp rom to OZ yet? |
| 08:21.37 | mithro | nope |
| 08:27.36 | mithro | mickeyl: you wouldn't happen to know how to tell all the apps to release there gfx buffers and renew them... |
| 08:30.03 | mickeyl | mithro: no, sorry. the applyStyle was the best guess i could come up with. seems you want to dig deeper into the qwidget internals |
| 08:30.17 | mickeyl | qpaintdevice even |
| 08:30.56 | mithro | qpainting device? |
| 08:32.06 | mickeyl | QPaintDevice is basically the what holds the GFX buf |
| 08:32.11 | mickeyl | QWidget inherits from QPaintDevice |
| 08:35.59 | mithro | that could be useful |
| 08:44.54 | mithro | hrm do you have any information about QPaintDevice? |
| 09:00.20 | mickeyl | not more than doc.trolltech.com/2.3/qpaintdevice.html |
| 09:00.28 | mickeyl | oh and ... the source, of course ;) |
| 09:01.46 | mithro | :) |
| 09:05.05 | mithro | hrm qpaintdevice doesn't seem to contain the gfx :( |
| 09:05.45 | Twiun | I think it's an abstraction |
| 09:06.15 | mickeyl | well, of course the real work is done by the qws stuff in <qt>/src/kernel |
| 09:06.35 | mickeyl | itÄs just a question of how low you must go to achive your goal |
| 09:07.02 | Twiun | and if all else fails... changing qte isn't really all that bad ;) |
| 09:07.12 | mithro | yeah thats where i'm atm... |
| 09:07.22 | mithro | Twiun: it breaks compatibility :( |
| 09:13.08 | mithro | hrm the widget is definatly resizing correctly |
| 09:13.18 | mithro | it's just not reallocating the buffers :( |
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| 09:49.25 | Twiun | mickeyl: good news - found sources that should be suitable to derive a bdf reader from |
| 09:51.07 | mickeyl | ah nice |
| 09:54.44 | Twiun | and just to reassure myself, bdf is variable width :) |
| 09:56.41 | Twiun | I'll work on them in the afternoon - going into town for lunch ;) |
| 09:57.06 | HCl | whats the difference between corgi and collie? |
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| 09:57.22 | HCl | ah |
| 09:57.22 | HCl | nm |
| 09:58.53 | Twiun | corgie and collie afaik are two names for the same hardware |
| 09:58.57 | mickeyl | no |
| 09:59.01 | Twiun | no? |
| 09:59.07 | mickeyl | no |
| 09:59.13 | mickeyl | corgie is c700 |
| 09:59.16 | mickeyl | collie is sl5000 + sl5500 |
| 09:59.19 | Twiun | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 09:59.20 | mickeyl | poodle is sl5600 |
| 09:59.25 | HCl | aha |
| 09:59.28 | mickeyl | shepherd is c750 c760 |
| 09:59.30 | HCl | 5600 is poodle |
| 09:59.33 | Twiun | wtf did they name them after dog breeds? |
| 09:59.41 | mickeyl | don't ask me... sharp japan are crazy |
| 09:59.52 | Twiun | when are we getting great dane? |
| 10:04.09 | HCl | new day... new attempt to build the buildroot.. |
| 10:04.37 | mickeyl | hmm... |
| 10:04.43 | Twiun | new day... and another board meeting :) |
| 10:05.07 | mickeyl | you whined quite a lot over our buildroot. i may politely remind you that it works for many people. |
| 10:05.16 | HCl | well yea |
| 10:05.23 | HCl | it gets annoying if you try 10+ times, each try taking a full day |
| 10:05.26 | HCl | and it never works x.x |
| 10:05.53 | mickeyl | may well be, but it also may well be that the problems are caused by an unconsistent environment and not by the buildroot itself. |
| 10:06.21 | mickeyl | e.g. i have mandrake 9.1 running - stock install - and everything works fine out of the box with the 2.9x OZ toolchain |
| 10:06.54 | mithro | anyone got a c750 or c760 yet? |
| 10:06.57 | HCl | gentoo |
| 10:07.06 | HCl | with 3.2.3 toolchain and 2.9x toolchain |
| 10:07.21 | mickeyl | hmm... well well... that introduces complexity. |
| 10:07.27 | mickeyl | why not relying on the proven 2.9x only? |
| 10:07.40 | HCl | cause 3 has lots of improvements over 2.9x o.o |
| 10:07.46 | mickeyl | improvements and bugs |
| 10:07.54 | HCl | well, the bugs are slowly getting fixed ;) |
| 10:07.55 | HCl | anyways |
| 10:08.02 | HCl | its not instability problems im having.. |
| 10:08.14 | HCl | it just either wont compile, or it has dependancies it cant meet while making the image |
| 10:08.55 | mickeyl | that dependency problem can easily be overcome by deinstalling those who depend on problematic packages. |
| 10:09.21 | HCl | i'll see how it goes today |
| 10:09.26 | mickeyl | yeah good luck anyway |
| 10:09.32 | HCl | thanks.. |
| 10:12.51 | mithro | wireless cards are so much better then usbd |
| 10:12.58 | mithro | HCl: what target are you compiling for? |
| 10:15.27 | HCl | 5500 |
| 10:15.46 | cmartin | mickeyl: this recalibration bug in Opie is about to kill me. |
| 10:16.13 | cmartin | mickeyl: or let's say all the messages in the forum on this topic |
| 10:18.10 | mickeyl | cmartin: i know |
| 10:18.39 | mickeyl | cmartin: as I've said... that needs a thorough debugging session which i don't have the nerves atm |
| 10:19.12 | mickeyl | cmartin: a better workaround maybe calling ts_calibrate and then starting opie |
| 10:19.45 | mickeyl | or switching back to the proprietary touchscreen interface *ugh* |
| 10:20.40 | mickeyl | cmartin: you can test something for me, if you like. make a normal build but use an older opie-for-simpad patch (before I eliminated the ucb1x00 stuff) |
| 10:20.57 | mickeyl | cmartin: normally that shouldn't affect opie because it uses tslib - but maybe it does anyway and that is the bug |
| 10:31.53 | HCl | hm |
| 10:32.09 | HCl | does anybody know how long the zaurus' batteries will last if you permanently put an SD card in it |
| 10:32.12 | HCl | ? |
| 10:32.14 | HCl | 5500.. |
| 10:33.08 | mickeyl | 2 ours |
| 10:33.10 | mickeyl | hours even |
| 10:33.11 | mickeyl | roughly |
| 10:33.23 | mithro | SD doesn't draw much power |
| 10:34.01 | HCl | hm |
| 10:34.06 | HCl | k |
| 10:34.16 | HCl | cause im planning on adding a card and making my root fs onto that |
| 10:34.33 | HCl | and then freeing the 64mb for memory |
| 10:34.47 | mickeyl | cool. please report your findings. t'would be nice if buildroot had an option in oz-base to do that automatically. maybe you can do that |
| 10:34.48 | schurig | mickeyl: Zaurus battery last only 2 hours? Really? |
| 10:35.07 | schurig | mickeyl: upps. |
| 10:35.22 | mickeyl | welcome to the real world |
| 10:35.25 | mickeyl | this is why I'm longing for a c7x0 |
| 10:35.32 | mickeyl | my SIMpad ~ 8 hours |
| 10:35.35 | HCl | mm |
| 10:35.38 | schurig | mickeyl: the other day I let Ramses run without suspend, MMC, WLAN and 400 MHz. LCD backlight was mostly off. It lasted 10 hours ... |
| 10:35.48 | mithro | min C700 lasts about 4 |
| 10:36.03 | mickeyl | schurig: pxa has a better pm compared to sa ? |
| 10:36.12 | schurig | mickeyl: but I really have to test it with WLAN ... |
| 10:36.15 | HCl | the problem of the 5600 is that it has only half as much ram as the 5500.. |
| 10:36.25 | schurig | mickeyl: PM with 400 MHz draws less power than SA1110 with 100. |
| 10:36.27 | mickeyl | right. which is why the c750 rules |
| 10:36.42 | mickeyl | schurig: quite an improvement |
| 10:37.35 | HCl | whats the c750? |
| 10:37.38 | HCl | got an url? |
| 10:37.50 | schurig | mickeyl: currently, with Ethernet & WLAN active and LCD backlight off Ramses draws 330 mA. With our 2200 mAh battery this would yield 6 hours. |
| 10:38.07 | schurig | Backlight on and we eat 450mA, this makes 4 hours |
| 10:38.29 | schurig | So, we have to replace batteries in-the-run for an 8 hour workshift |
| 10:38.42 | mickeyl | is that easy with ramses ? |
| 10:38.45 | mickeyl | well - must be |
| 10:39.06 | schurig | suspended we stay alive for 36 hours |
| 10:39.28 | HCl | i dont suppose they could just create better batteries for the 5500, huh? |
| 10:39.49 | mickeyl | hmm... those vfat modules... |
| 10:40.24 | schurig | HCl: the problem is the size. LiION batteries have a mAh/g ratio that is quite good. But if you need more mAh, you have to increase the grams. That means more size. And the 5500 is too small for a big battery |
| 10:40.42 | schurig | HCl: so you pay with a small online-time for the cute and small design |
| 10:40.43 | mickeyl | aaah |
| 10:40.49 | mickeyl | vfat-modules... i see |
| 10:40.56 | HCl | mm |
| 10:41.01 | HCl | mickeyl: ? |
| 10:41.40 | HCl | schurig: yea, figured that.. |
| 10:41.51 | HCl | i guess one can just buy a couple of batteries and a battery loader.. |
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| 10:42.07 | mickeyl | HCl: I'm fixing that vfat-modules issue now |
| 10:42.12 | mickeyl | (hoping, that is) |
| 10:42.12 | HCl | yay. |
| 10:42.33 | mickeyl | interested in where the problem lays ? |
| 10:42.38 | HCl | partly |
| 10:42.41 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 10:42.45 | HCl | im trying to cut down on my computer knowledge |
| 10:43.00 | mickeyl | uhm... why bothering with buildroot then? |
| 10:43.06 | mickeyl | consume binary packages. |
| 10:43.10 | HCl | cause i like my computers tweaked :S |
| 10:43.18 | mickeyl | well that's a contradiction |
| 10:43.25 | HCl | half :/ |
| 10:43.36 | HCl | once they're tweaked i can forget about how i tweaked them again |
| 10:47.05 | mithro | soo close yet so far :( |
| 10:47.42 | mithro | i'm sure the applications are resizing correctly.. |
| 10:47.57 | mithro | they just won't obay my commands to release the evil gfx's... |
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| 11:07.40 | cmartin | mickeyl: i have a buildroot backed up from before you removed that. which ipk would have been involved? maybe it would be enough to just reinstall my backed up ipk. e.g. opie-common? |
| 11:08.19 | cmartin | mickeyl: the present feed is from that build BTW |
| 11:09.12 | mickeyl | cmartin: libqte2 contains the differences |
| 11:09.38 | mickeyl | libqte.ipk |
| 11:09.41 | mickeyl | 2 |
| 11:12.24 | cmartin | ok, there's a libqte2_2.3.5-2d_arm.ipk in the feed - i will just reinstall that one and see what happens. |
| 11:13.52 | mickeyl | ok |
| 11:20.59 | mickeyl | i eliminated the ucb1x00 legacy stuff on 06/03 |
| 11:21.17 | mickeyl | if a libqte2 done before works, then we have isolated the problem |
| 11:25.23 | cmartin | mickeyl: ipk doesn't allow for downgrading packages - tried force reinstall and force overwrite - no chance - now what? |
| 11:25.41 | mickeyl | ipkg remove blabla -force-depends |
| 11:25.43 | mickeyl | ipkg install |
| 11:25.49 | mickeyl | or even better |
| 11:25.55 | mickeyl | edit /usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 11:26.02 | mickeyl | and downgrade that version 'by-hand' hehe |
| 11:26.27 | cmartin | mickeyl: but when i'm in Opie I can't pull libqte2 away |
| 11:27.14 | cmartin | mickeyl: but manually editing status may work - ok |
| 11:27.28 | mickeyl | you better do this outside opie |
| 11:27.43 | mickeyl | killing it first and then starting again |
| 11:32.48 | cmartin | mickeyl: well, after downgrading and running the calibration tool /etc/pointercal still doesn't have a carriage return at the end |
| 11:33.11 | cmartin | mickeyl: so i'm not sure if i should reboot to see if it's fixed |
| 11:34.42 | mickeyl | the carriage return was only a workaround from me. no qte version appended that on its own. please delete /etc/pointercal; reboot; calibrate with opie; restart opie; and look! |
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| 11:35.15 | mickeyl | going to eat something now |
| 11:35.16 | mickeyl | bbl! |
| 11:38.45 | cmartin | mickeyl|lunch: it worked!!! |
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| 11:56.44 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 11:57.58 | HCl | whats the proper clean command that wont delete sources? |
| 11:58.04 | HCl | mkproper doesnt seem to do the trick.. |
| 11:58.13 | HCl | deletes the sources too... or at least it redownloads them.. |
| 11:59.01 | Dessimat0r | make mrproper ? |
| 11:59.14 | HCl | seems to delete sources too |
| 11:59.16 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 11:59.19 | carsten__ | distclean? |
| 11:59.29 | HCl | hm o.o |
| 12:03.31 | cmartin | mickeyl|lunch: just posted the temporary solution to the ML and the forums |
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| 12:51.29 | cmartin | HCI: what about clean-sourcetrees |
| 12:53.18 | HCl | hcL o.o |
| 12:53.22 | HCl | i dunno |
| 13:26.35 | cmartin | HCI: another trick would be to use a Vars.local to overwrite the SOURCE_DIR. If you put your sources somewhere else than TOPDIR/sources and use that with the Vars.local, mrproper no longer deletes sources |
| 13:26.50 | HCl | aha o.o |
| 13:26.51 | HCl | okay |
| 13:27.27 | cmartin | my Vars.local looks like this: |
| 13:27.28 | cmartin | export DEBIAN_MIRROR=ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool |
| 13:27.28 | cmartin | export SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR=http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge |
| 13:27.28 | cmartin | export SOURCE_DIR=/home/simpad/oe-sources |
| 13:27.39 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:27.56 | cmartin | this way I share sources with seperate buildroot instances |
| 13:28.06 | HCl | mm |
| 13:36.09 | cmartin | anybody ever gotten konqueror to compile from builbroot? |
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| 13:36.27 | cmartin | i get an error: |
| 13:36.30 | cmartin | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 13:36.31 | cmartin | make[7]: *** [konqueror] Error 1 |
| 13:37.01 | cmartin | s/ /usr/lib/libjpeg.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation - came first |
| 13:43.45 | pb_ | you're trying to link a host libjpeg into an arm binary. |
| 13:44.55 | cmartin | pb_: how can i fix it? do have to activate something in menuconfig for that? |
| 13:48.04 | cmartin | pb_: do i have to change my LD_LIBRARY_PATH or something? |
| 13:49.40 | cmartin | i have a libjpeg.so under buildroot here: |
| 13:49.42 | cmartin | ./build/jpeg-6b/.libs/libjpeg.so |
| 13:49.42 | cmartin | ./build/ipktemp/libjpeg62-6b/usr/lib/libjpeg.so |
| 13:49.43 | cmartin | ./output/staging/target/lib/libjpeg.so |
| 13:49.45 | cmartin | ./output/rootfs/usr/lib/libjpeg.so |
| 13:50.00 | cmartin | should i add one to LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| 13:56.30 | pb_ | cmartin: it should be using the one in staging. no idea why that isn't happening. |
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| 13:59.51 | cmartin | mickeyl: it's pretty quiet on the ML and forums front. It seems everyone is busy trying to fix that calibration bug ;-) |
| 14:00.35 | mickeyl | cmartin: hehe, well that would be nice |
| 14:00.43 | mickeyl | cmartin: accepting patches |
| 14:01.53 | cmartin | mickeyl: do you think the problem was caused from remove the qwsmouse patch or did something else come into libqte2 in the meantime? |
| 14:02.00 | cmartin | s/ removing |
| 14:02.54 | HCl | libgcc1 is broken in the buildroot |
| 14:03.24 | mickeyl | cmartin: i think it was me removing the qwsmouse. although I thought we were using the tslib mouse handler it turned out we weren't. if readding the patch helps (trying that now), then we will use the legacy driver as soon as I have the nerves to dive into that stuff again. i need a rest... |
| 14:06.56 | mickeyl | s/as soon/until |
| 14:09.55 | schurig | mickeyl: I have a problem with OZ/packages/sip: |
| 14:10.08 | schurig | mickeyl: Failure to read QMAKESPEC conf file /usr/src/ramses/oz/build/opie/mkspecs//qmake.conf. |
| 14:10.14 | schurig | mickeyl: so, what's wrong? |
| 14:10.44 | mickeyl | no idea |
| 14:10.52 | mickeyl | i need more context |
| 14:11.07 | schurig | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/ramses/oz/build/sip-x11-gpl-3.5/sipgen' |
| 14:11.08 | schurig | touch /usr/src/ramses/oz/stamps/.sip.binary |
| 14:11.11 | schurig | cd /usr/src/ramses/oz/build/sip-x11-gpl-3.5/siplib; \ |
| 14:11.12 | schurig | /usr/src/ramses/oz/build/opie/qmake/qmake -makefile -spec /usr/src/ramses/oz/build/opie/mkspecs/ -after siplib.pro \ |
| 14:11.15 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.17 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.20 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.21 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.24 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.27 | schurig | Failure to read QMAKESPEC conf file /usr/src/ramses/oz/build/opie/mkspecs//qmake.conf. |
| 14:11.28 | schurig | Error processing project file: /usr/src/ramses/oz/build/sip-x11-gpl-3.5/siplib/siplib.pro |
| 14:11.30 | schurig | is that enought? |
| 14:11.34 | mickeyl | yes |
| 14:11.40 | mickeyl | Failure to read QMAKESPEC conf file /usr/src/ramses/oz/build/opie/mkspecs//qmake.conf. |
| 14:11.45 | mickeyl | is that file there ? |
| 14:12.02 | mickeyl | QMAKESPEC is wrong |
| 14:12.05 | mickeyl | anyway |
| 14:12.20 | schurig | mickeyl: of course not, this dir is there and contains lots of subdirectories |
| 14:12.30 | schurig | the dir mkspecs, that is |
| 14:12.46 | mickeyl | qmake spec is wrong. it must point to ... opie/mkspecs/qws/linux-ramses-g++ |
| 14:12.47 | schurig | QMAKESPACS is empty, where should it be defined, Vars.local? |
| 14:12.55 | mickeyl | nono |
| 14:13.02 | mickeyl | QMAKESPECS is defined in Vars.make or in Rules.make |
| 14:13.10 | mickeyl | lookit up please |
| 14:13.27 | schurig | Vars.make says: export QMAKESPECSDIR=$(OPIEDIR)/mkspecs |
| 14:13.41 | schurig | and: export QMAKESPEC=$(QMAKESPECSDIR)/$(patsubst "%",%,$(CONFIG_SPECFILE)) |
| 14:14.01 | schurig | hmm, CONFIG_SPECFILE, did not occur to me |
| 14:14.03 | mickeyl | no idea 'bout that makefile magic but in the end it should point to linux-ramses-g++ |
| 14:14.09 | schurig | it |
| 14:14.29 | schurig | CONFIG_SPECFILE is not in my .config, not even as "# CONFIG_SPECFILE is not set" ... |
| 14:14.56 | mickeyl | pls wait - i must finish the thing I'm doing currently. 5 minutes |
| 14:15.13 | cmartin | when building konqueror i have to put TOPDIR/output/rootfs/usr/lib at the beginning of my LD_LIBRARY_PATH for it to work |
| 14:15.26 | cmartin | why doesn't buildroot usr staging for this? |
| 14:16.34 | cmartin | s/ use |
| 14:17.46 | cmartin | without that it tries to use my libjpeg.so under /usr/lib |
| 14:19.16 | schurig | cmartin: then the -Wl,-rpath or -rpath-link is missing |
| 14:20.26 | cmartin | where? |
| 14:22.10 | schurig | cmartin: just grep for this in other makefiles |
| 14:22.28 | schurig | cmartin: I can't really say without the proper error message. But I'll do konqe today anyway |
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| 14:23.02 | cmartin | . /usr/lib/libjpeg.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 14:23.29 | mickeyl | schurig: take a look in packages/opie/defconfig-simpad |
| 14:23.34 | mickeyl | there you have your entry CONFIG_SPECFILE |
| 14:24.02 | cmartin | sorry, it even gives that message when changing LD_LIBRARY_PATH too, so i'm stuck |
| 14:24.42 | schurig | mickeyl: I grepped for CONFIG_SPECFILE in the config.in files, didn't find it defined anywhere |
| 14:24.54 | mickeyl | defconfig, not config.in |
| 14:25.24 | mickeyl | also in defconfig-ramses |
| 14:25.30 | schurig | grep CONFIG_SPECFILE packages/opie/defconfig-ramses reveals the right file |
| 14:25.52 | mickeyl | so far so good. |
| 14:25.53 | schurig | mickeyl: yeah, but Vars.make test for CONFIG_SPECFILE, so it should be in OZ |
| 14:25.58 | schurig | but it is in OPIE ?!?! |
| 14:26.29 | mickeyl | yeah. |
| 14:26.41 | mickeyl | all opie dependent apps use the opie qmake config |
| 14:26.51 | mickeyl | well - lets say, all qte dependent apps |
| 14:27.01 | mickeyl | e.g. knights, konqi, qpegps etc. |
| 14:27.07 | mickeyl | all non-opie GUI apps |
| 14:27.17 | schurig | mickeyl: I have no problem with that (except that we could rip out qmake and make an extra package for this, it's better than tmake anyway) |
| 14:27.38 | schurig | I put the CONFIG_SPECFILE in my Vars.local and suddenly it works |
| 14:27.42 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 14:27.58 | schurig | I guess the problem is that Vars.make need this variable, but somewhoe the defconfig file doesn't get sourced |
| 14:28.00 | mickeyl | never had to do this - strange. it works automatically here |
| 14:28.07 | mickeyl | any idea why? |
| 14:28.22 | schurig | mickeyl: no, not really. And, as you can see, this var is in defconfig-ramses as well |
| 14:28.23 | mickeyl | (maybe it does no longer... didn't build sip for a long time) |
| 14:28.26 | mickeyl | trying that... |
| 14:28.36 | schurig | mickeyl: ok, sip compiled now |
| 14:29.38 | mickeyl | can you add the appropriate logic to Vars.make please ? |
| 14:30.09 | chouimat | libtool sucks |
| 14:30.21 | schurig | mickeyl: I could add it to config.in, so that you can define it from the menu-system ?!?! |
| 14:30.37 | schurig | I'd put it to packages/opie/config.in |
| 14:30.46 | mickeyl | wait - don't we already have something similar |
| 14:30.50 | mickeyl | in another place? |
| 14:31.13 | mickeyl | schurig: hah! |
| 14:31.19 | mickeyl | found it :D |
| 14:31.21 | schurig | CONFIG_TARGET_RAMSES=y ? |
| 14:31.22 | mickeyl | ramses is missing |
| 14:31.28 | mickeyl | config SPECFILE |
| 14:31.28 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.28 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.28 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.28 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.28 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.30 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.32 | mickeyl | :)) |
| 14:31.59 | mickeyl | that's where its from |
| 14:32.02 | mickeyl | and that's a good place |
| 14:32.11 | mickeyl | $buildroot/config.in |
| 14:33.38 | schurig | mickeyl: ok, I added Ramses and also gave a string to bool, so that you can manually set it and realize that it's there |
| 14:33.49 | mickeyl | good |
| 14:34.05 | mickeyl | this is what I hate in buildroot... so much knowledge which is never written anywhere xcept the source :(( |
| 14:34.11 | schurig | hehe, another bug bite the dust |
| 14:34.37 | mickeyl | now if we get older and forget things... who will can maintain that? |
| 14:34.38 | cmartin | in my packages/konqe/Makefile there is a line: LDFLAGS += -Wl,-rpath-link,$(STAGING_LIBDIR) - this should be allowing for staging of libraries, right? |
| 14:34.51 | schurig | mickeyl: kergoth even started pythonic comments in his sources... |
| 14:35.03 | mickeyl | schurig: really? docstrings ? |
| 14:35.17 | schurig | cmartin: yeah. And if it doesn't work, add LDFLAGS += -Wl,-rpath,$(STAGING_LIBDIR) as well |
| 14:35.25 | schurig | mickeyl: yeah! |
| 14:35.27 | mickeyl | cooooolness |
| 14:36.52 | cmartin | schurig: should I just add the missing -rpath? |
| 14:37.19 | schurig | cmartin: do try and error. I never read the gcc/linker manual, so I don't really understand them ... |
| 14:37.36 | HCl | >.<! X>x |
| 14:37.41 | HCl | libsidplay is horribly broken |
| 14:38.04 | HCl | how can i get xmms' dependancy on it away |
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| 14:40.15 | mickeyl | hi tim - how are things? |
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| 14:43.01 | mickeyl | hi bipolar. sup |
| 14:48.04 | cmartin | schurig: just adding the -rpath didn't work - i added a new line with LDFLAGS += -Wl,-rpath,$(STAGING_LIBDIR) - at the moment it looks like it's building |
| 14:48.15 | cmartin | cmartin crosses his fingers |
| 14:50.07 | schurig | cmartin: konqe still compiles here for me |
| 14:51.20 | cmartin | schurig: without your LDFLAGS line in the Makefile? |
| 14:52.15 | bipolar_ | mickeyl: yo |
| 14:52.32 | bipolar_ | has anyone tried to upgrade from unstable in the last 24hrs? |
| 14:53.45 | mickeyl | don't think so |
| 14:56.16 | zecke_ | schurig: I send you a patch again |
| 14:59.32 | mithro | zecke! you seemed to know alot about the problems with resizing, i've managed to get the launcher to resize correctly, but any app running at the time won't... any idea how to get them to release/renew there gfx's? |
| 15:00.46 | zecke_ | no not out my head |
| 15:00.54 | schurig | cmartin: I have problems with KonqE, too. After a long time of compilation, I get: |
| 15:00.56 | cmartin | schurig: is the LDFLAGS something i could set in Vars.local or must that be set in Makefiles? |
| 15:00.57 | schurig | echo '/* This file is generated automatically, do not edit */' > init.inc |
| 15:00.57 | schurig | test -n "" && (for i in ; do echo "KONQE_INIT($i);"; done >> init.inc); exit 0 |
| 15:00.57 | schurig | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
| 15:00.58 | schurig | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: `test -n "" && (for i in ; do echo "KONQE_INIT($i);"; done >> init.inc); exit 0' |
| 15:00.58 | schurig | make[5]: *** [init.inc] Error 2 |
| 15:00.59 | schurig | make[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/ramses/oz/build/konqueror-embedded-snapshot-20030516/build-full/konq-embed/src' |
| 15:01.10 | zecke_ | mithro: we had a problem with life rotation though.. there was one resizeEvent in the launcher somewhere.. which blocked |
| 15:01.30 | zecke_ | mithro: use webcvs at cvs.handelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/opie/core/launcher to find out |
| 15:02.18 | cmartin | schurig: mine is still compiling - i'll see if i get that too |
| 15:02.54 | schurig | cmartin: I guess with my bash I need a ; before the closing ; |
| 15:03.40 | cmartin | schurig: ok mine bails out again with: |
| 15:03.42 | cmartin | . /usr/lib/libjpeg.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 15:03.43 | cmartin | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 15:03.43 | cmartin | make[7]: *** [konqueror] Error 1 |
| 15:03.56 | cmartin | make[7]: Leaving directory `/home/simpad/opensimpad/build/konqueror-embedded-snapshot-20030516/build-full/konq-embed/src' |
| 15:07.49 | schurig | cmartin: but that does mean that konqe-slim compiled successfully? |
| 15:08.36 | schurig | oh, isn't ccache wonderful ?!?! |
| 15:11.38 | cmartin | schurig: no i don't think so. if so, where is it? |
| 15:12.58 | schurig | where is what? |
| 15:13.28 | schurig | ccache is a compiler cache that speeds up additional re-compiled (not the first run) |
| 15:14.10 | schurig | hmm, it bails out at the same position even when I do only a slim compilation of konqe ... |
| 15:16.24 | cmartin | schurig: the konqe-slim binary |
| 15:19.35 | Twiun | hey |
| 15:19.48 | schurig | I found my problem. Test do something like test -n "$(X)" && for i in $(X); do somewhat; done |
| 15:20.02 | Twiun | schurig: it's picking up the x86 libjpeg for some reason |
| 15:20.10 | schurig | but even when $(X) is empty, the make expands this to test -n "" && for i in; do somewhat; done |
| 15:20.17 | schurig | and that is an syntax error to bash |
| 15:20.36 | schurig | Twiun: I've a different problem than cmartin |
| 15:20.50 | Twiun | schurig: oh right... |
| 15:20.58 | Twiun | cmartin: read my post re x86 :) |
| 15:21.35 | Twiun | schurig: how about test "$(X)" != "" ? |
| 15:23.07 | cmartin | Twiun: yes i noticed that it's picking up my x86 libjpeg.so, but how do i get buildroot to use the one in staging? |
| 15:24.25 | Twiun | cmartin: hmmm, it should do - libjpeg should be in staging/lib |
| 15:24.31 | Twiun | cmartin: could you check that it is? |
| 15:24.46 | kergoth`bbl | schurig: $(if $(X),for i in $(X); do somewhat; done) |
| 15:24.52 | kergoth`bbl | schurig: gnu make is your friend occasionally. |
| 15:24.54 | cmartin | Twiun: yes it is, but it still tries to use /usr/lib/libjpeg.so |
| 15:24.54 | schurig | Twiun: no, the test should NOT use $(X), because this will made empty by make. It should use $$X, assuming the var is exported. Or I'm doing now this: |
| 15:25.18 | schurig | test -n "$(X)" && for i in $(X) x; do test "$$i" = "x" || something; done |
| 15:25.18 | mithro | hey kergoth`bbl |
| 15:25.39 | mithro | zecke_: so what was the problem? |
| 15:25.44 | cmartin | Twiun: ./output/staging/target/lib/libjpeg.so |
| 15:26.07 | kergoth`bbl | cmartin: what are you trying to build? |
| 15:26.15 | cmartin | konqe |
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| 15:26.26 | kergoth | does konq use libtool? |
| 15:26.33 | cmartin | yes |
| 15:26.35 | zecke_ | mithro: don't remember look at the CVS |
| 15:26.40 | kergoth | find output/staging -name \*.la |
| 15:26.44 | kergoth | find build/konq* -name \*.lsa |
| 15:26.45 | kergoth | er |
| 15:26.48 | kergoth | s/lsa$/la/ |
| 15:27.22 | kergoth | mithro, zecke_: thats the taskbar resizeevent that sets the max window rect.. i showed mithro that last night. |
| 15:27.41 | zecke_ | good that he remembers ;) |
| 15:27.46 | zecke_ | hi kergoth |
| 15:28.06 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:28.15 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 15:28.27 | HCl | ugh |
| 15:28.29 | cmartin | kergoth: ok the first one gives nothing and the second one alot |
| 15:28.34 | HCl | i got a source that didnt download properly |
| 15:28.43 | HCl | and when i try make again it wont redownload it |
| 15:28.46 | mithro | kergoth: the taskbar/launcherview/etc resize correctly |
| 15:28.50 | HCl | what do i have to do to make it redownload.. |
| 15:28.51 | mithro | running apps don't however... |
| 15:29.24 | Twiun | HCl: make SUBDIRS=packages/whatever mrproper usually does the trick |
| 15:29.35 | HCl | thanks |
| 15:30.03 | HCl | yup |
| 15:30.44 | kergoth | cmartin: the .la files in konq's dir are leaking the libdir=/usr/lib into the libtool lib path |
| 15:31.18 | cmartin | kergoth: suggestions? |
| 15:31.55 | kergoth | cmartin: for a workaround, find build/konq* -name \*.la|xargs rm -f. la files arent required to link |
| 15:31.56 | treke | mornin |
| 15:33.07 | kergoth | HCl: could be you're using an old version of cvs |
| 15:33.17 | kergoth | HCl: that can exhibit that bheavior. read docs/BUILD for the version |
| 15:33.18 | schurig | zecke_: I've put a new dosfstools at the same location, can you try that? |
| 15:33.24 | HCl | hm |
| 15:33.53 | kergoth | HCl: read docs/BUILD. compare the recommended version to the one you're using. |
| 15:34.02 | HCl | k.. |
| 15:35.29 | schurig | kergoth: does it help to set LIBTOOL=$(LIBTOOL) in the konqe Makefile? |
| 15:35.40 | schurig | so that our own version get's used? |
| 15:35.55 | kergoth | schurig: i doubt it. our libtool does better things, but if it hits a .la it'll still leak the libdir in |
| 15:36.03 | kergoth | schurig: never got around to patching it again |
| 15:36.09 | zecke_ | schurig: working ;) |
| 15:36.13 | schurig | kergoth: ah, you mean the *.la files are in the source.tgz? |
| 15:36.25 | kergoth | schurig: yep |
| 15:36.28 | schurig | zecke_: ok, then I'll "bk push" that fix later |
| 15:36.39 | kergoth | schurig: we never install .la files into staging as a policy decision |
| 15:36.42 | kergoth | schurig: but upstream... |
| 15:37.01 | schurig | kergoth: hmm, do you know that is strange? KonqE just compiled here (the slim one) |
| 15:37.13 | kergoth | schurig: hmm. usually builds for me too |
| 15:37.15 | schurig | kergoth: and I did not remove any *.la files ... |
| 15:37.28 | mithro | kergoth, zecke_: any other ideas? |
| 15:37.39 | cmartin | i just removed them and it bails out at the same place anyways :( |
| 15:37.45 | schurig | ups, the IPK is named "konquerer-snapshot". Is that by intent? |
| 15:37.49 | kergoth | mithro: obviously the max window rect is key. research it. |
| 15:37.55 | kergoth | schurig: talk to simon, they're his packages |
| 15:38.07 | schurig | kergoth: what's his irc nick? |
| 15:38.08 | mithro | kergoth: i'm already setting the maxwindow stuff... |
| 15:38.14 | kergoth | schurig: tronical |
| 15:38.20 | kergoth | mithro: setting it where? |
| 15:38.22 | schurig | ibot: seen tronical |
| 15:38.22 | | tronical is currently on #openembedded (5h 41m 5s) |
| 15:38.28 | tronical | 'llo |
| 15:38.30 | Dessimat0r | thanks for relasing a new Unstable yesterday ;) Now I have something to play with |
| 15:38.31 | tronical | that's a bug :) |
| 15:38.32 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 15:38.35 | tronical | feel free to rename :) |
| 15:38.37 | schurig | tronical: the name? |
| 15:38.40 | tronical | yeah |
| 15:38.45 | zecke_ | hi tronical |
| 15:38.48 | schurig | tronical: ok, I also have another patch for konqu: |
| 15:39.00 | schurig | --- konqueror-embedded-snapshot-20030516/konq-embed/src/Makefile.in~fix |
| 15:39.00 | schurig | +++ konqueror-embedded-snapshot-20030516/konq-embed/src/Makefile.in |
| 15:39.01 | schurig | @@ -881,7 +881,7 @@ |
| 15:39.01 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.02 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.02 | schurig | - test -n "$(INIT_ADDONS)" && (for i in $(INIT_ADDONS); do echo "KONQE_INIT($$i);"; done >> $@); exit 0 |
| 15:39.03 | schurig | + $(if $(INIT_ADDONS),for i in $(INIT_ADDONS); do echo "KONQE_INIT($$i);" >> $@ ; done) |
| 15:39.05 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.08 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.14 | mithro | and the applications resize correctly, however they are still running if on the wrong screen mode... |
| 15:39.16 | Twiun | ~lart schurig |
| 15:39.19 | cmartin | tronical: any ideas why buildroot tries to use my /usr/lib/libjpeg.so instead of the one in staging? |
| 15:39.24 | schurig | tronical: the problem is that the old code used $() but make makes them empty |
| 15:39.24 | mithro | s/if/as if/ |
| 15:40.07 | schurig | tronical: and therefore the for i in $(INIT_ADDONS); do ...; done was expanded (by make, not bash!) to for i in; do ... done: and this is something that bash doesn't like |
| 15:40.16 | schurig | tronical: you should fix this upstream |
| 15:40.40 | tronical | schurig: ahhh, yes. I'll forward this to paul, who wrote this particular code (it already changed upstream anyway :) - thanks for reporting |
| 15:40.54 | schurig | Twiun: hehe, it would be nice if you installed PocketPC on my Ramses. That would save us $$$$ of development cost. |
| 15:41.21 | schurig | (but we have no plan to do this) |
| 15:41.24 | mickeyl | schurig: but it will cost you $$$$ of pure fun working with us guys :) |
| 15:41.33 | Twiun | schurig: lol, but what about runtime licenses? |
| 15:42.15 | cmartin | ok, i'll have to try konqe compiling later, my wife has a birthday today - gotta go |
| 15:42.22 | schurig | tronical: what name do you suggest for the ipk, konquerer or konqe or konquerer-embedded? |
| 15:42.25 | chouimat | bye cmartin |
| 15:42.27 | bipolar_ | god... wtf is wrong with kopete |
| 15:42.37 | mickeyl | c'ya cmartin |
| 15:42.39 | kergoth | cmartin: i already told you why |
| 15:42.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:42.50 | tronical | schurig: konquerer -> konqueror :) |
| 15:42.50 | schurig | cmartin: give here a Glückwunsch from us |
| 15:43.07 | mickeyl | yeah, do this. |
| 15:43.18 | cmartin | kergoth: but removing the *.la files didn't help |
| 15:44.02 | cmartin | chouimat: birthday wishes or better Happy Birthday ;) |
| 15:44.16 | kergoth | cmartin: well /usr/lib is still leaking into the libtool link path. |
| 15:44.27 | kergoth | cmartin: libtool gets its link dirs from any number of locations |
| 15:44.31 | cmartin | kergoth: how would i stop that? |
| 15:44.37 | chouimat | cmartin: ok I'm trying to learn but in Quebec city I don't have much pratice :) |
| 15:44.49 | kergoth | cmartin: patch libtool. at the very least, follow schurig's suggestion and use the buildroot libtool |
| 15:45.09 | kergoth | cmartin: thing is, most upstream buildsystems *generate* the libtool binary on the fly, so that overriding it isnt necessarily easy |
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| 15:45.46 | schurig | kergoth: libtool is one of the worst inventions. KDE takes ages even when all is in ccache because of the slooooow libtool shell code |
| 15:45.51 | treke | kergoth: cworth was pretty smart about xstroke :p Each stroke definition is a regular expression |
| 15:46.02 | schurig | ibot: lart libtool developer |
| 15:46.03 | kergoth | The solution is to patch our ltmain.sh and libtool both, to be more sane wrt link path, and dont pull in libdir from .la files. then for upstream libtool builds, we drop in both the ltmain.sh and libtool, so that their generated libtool comes from our ltmain.sh |
| 15:46.08 | fragglet | the whole of auto* is a terrible horrible thing |
| 15:46.09 | treke | matching the various ways you can screw up the stroke |
| 15:46.10 | kergoth | schurig: agreed |
| 15:46.14 | kergoth | fragglet: agreed |
| 15:46.16 | cmartin | kergoth: i activated libtool for the hostsystem in menuconfig - is that a problem? |
| 15:46.19 | chouimat | my cat was waiting for 10 minutes to have the permission to climb on my lap :) |
| 15:46.23 | kergoth | cmartin: no, you want that. |
| 15:47.05 | tronical | schurig: what bash version are you using? |
| 15:47.20 | schurig | fragglet: the auto* is not too bad when you think about history, e.g. lots of various unixes ... did you ever had to modify kermit or sendmail 8.0 to compile by hand? |
| 15:47.28 | cmartin | kergoth: ok i'll get back to you later about this issue, maybe you can help me solve this - but i really have to go now ;) |
| 15:47.39 | cmartin | bye |
| 15:47.43 | kergoth | tronical: for i in; do stuff; done is a syntax error in evfery bash i know of :) |
| 15:47.47 | schurig | fragglet: so auto* or the perl approach is quite nice. IMHO better than xmkmf from X (but the X-Windows source sucks anyway) |
| 15:47.49 | kergoth | s/evfery/every/ |
| 15:48.04 | kergoth | schurig: auto* is the best solution we have.. it just still sucks |
| 15:48.06 | kergoth | schurig: :) |
| 15:48.09 | schurig | tronical: 2.05 |
| 15:48.23 | mithro | kergoth: it's not a resize problem it seems, it appears as if even just resizing isn't enough... |
| 15:48.33 | kergoth | mithro: odd. |
| 15:48.36 | schurig | kergoth: this reminds me: from all bad government systems the democracy is the best |
| 15:48.37 | tronical | kergoth: not 2.05b (sid's one) for example |
| 15:48.52 | fragglet | its better than nothing |
| 15:48.53 | schurig | tronical: 2.05-mdk16, whatever they patched |
| 15:49.00 | fragglet | but its this horrible layered mess |
| 15:49.01 | Twiun | schurig: ... of the worst :) |
| 15:49.12 | fragglet | its like they put patches on patches on patches to work around things |
| 15:49.28 | kergoth | tronical: ah, gotcha |
| 15:49.31 | schurig | Twiun: then try to life for some time in Sudan, Burma or Northern-Vietnam |
| 15:49.40 | Dessimat0r | What is newer - QtopiaDesktopSetupBeta5.exe or qtopiadesktop-1.6.1.exe? They don't seem to version all their releases well... |
| 15:50.27 | Dessimat0r | qtopiadesktop-1.6.1.exe seems to be newer on the FTP |
| 15:51.51 | tronical | hehe |
| 15:51.52 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 15:51.55 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:53.33 | Dessimat0r | their 'md5sums' file is missing most of the files in the directory also |
| 15:53.34 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 15:53.49 | Twiun | Oh no! They've been hacked! |
| 15:53.52 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
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| 15:58.34 | Dessimat0r | r00t3n h15 b0x3n! |
| 15:58.46 | pchitescu | :) |
| 15:58.50 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 16:00.32 | tronical | schurig: fix is in upstream cvs |
| 16:01.22 | pchitescu | some mirrors have a long delay... |
| 16:01.32 | HCl | igh |
| 16:01.39 | HCl | bug in mplayer |
| 16:01.55 | HCl | multiple definitions between libmpcodecs and libavcodec |
| 16:02.01 | HCl | >.< |
| 16:02.53 | pchitescu | that is C - they have no namespaces |
| 16:04.32 | HCl | .. |
| 16:04.35 | kergoth | and? |
| 16:04.42 | kergoth | you act like namespaces are the only way to solve such a problem |
| 16:04.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:05.17 | pchitescu | namespaces are an elegant way |
| 16:08.22 | kergoth | 2.4.21 is out? |
| 16:08.37 | schurig | kergoth: some changes to OZ/BitKeeper/<triggers>? now made this happen: |
| 16:08.45 | schurig | mnz66:/usr/src/ramses/oz# bk push |
| 16:08.46 | schurig | ... |
| 16:08.52 | schurig | Consistency check passed, resolve complete. |
| 16:08.53 | schurig | /usr/sbin/sendmail: No such file or directory |
| 16:09.05 | kergoth | schurig: ah, its trying to send an email from the client to the list |
| 16:09.07 | schurig | are you the culprit? |
| 16:09.12 | kergoth | schurig: because bkbits disabled triggers upstream |
| 16:09.18 | kergoth | yeah i'm teh culprit |
| 16:09.30 | schurig | no sendmail on no workstation (and actually I'm using postfix anyway, lart sendmail) |
| 16:09.41 | kergoth | postfix is great |
| 16:09.49 | Twiun | schurig: postfix installs a sendmail wrapper script usually :) |
| 16:09.59 | kergoth | schurig: it calls 'mail' |
| 16:10.01 | Twiun | postfix even |
| 16:10.04 | Twiun | d'oh |
| 16:10.13 | kergoth | schurig: so it depends what your mail binary is |
| 16:10.29 | kergoth | schurig: just add a 2>/dev/null to silence it on failure. |
| 16:10.37 | carsten | kergoth: 2.4.21 is not out |
| 16:10.37 | carsten | http://linux.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.4/ChangeSet@-4d?nav=index.html |
| 16:10.39 | kergoth | schurig: easy enough. BitKeeper/triggers/post-outgoing* |
| 16:10.42 | schurig | kergoth: whativer, I don't like that some tool sends out e-mails without knowing this ... |
| 16:10.50 | kergoth | schurig: you know it. |
| 16:10.59 | kergoth | schurig: if you bother to read the triggers in your repository. |
| 16:11.13 | kergoth | schurig: your failure to be aware of the changesets you pull isnt my problem |
| 16:11.15 | schurig | kergoth: I did not enable anything like this. |
| 16:11.21 | kergoth | 'enable'? |
| 16:11.27 | kergoth | you bk pull'd an unknown changeset |
| 16:11.35 | Twiun | lol |
| 16:11.48 | Twiun | kergoth: I bk pull based on trust |
| 16:11.59 | kergoth | carsten: funny, 2.4.21 is on ftp.kernel.org. |
| 16:12.03 | kergoth | carsten: signed and everything |
| 16:12.04 | Twiun | kergoth: and hope nothing'll break :) |
| 16:12.27 | Twiun | kergoth: get it quick before it gets announced on /. |
| 16:12.36 | kergoth | yep, grabbing it now |
| 16:12.42 | kergoth | 230k/s, not bad |
| 16:12.49 | Twiun | that's a respectable rate |
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| 16:14.30 | kergoth | schurig: you do realize that your bk repository pushes changeset logs upstream automatically |
| 16:14.36 | kergoth | schurig: with or without the triggers |
| 16:14.36 | schurig | kergoth: anyway, if you don't make the bkbits.net server send the mails, you'll miss my changelogs in the mailing list |
| 16:14.37 | kergoth | schurig: right? |
| 16:14.47 | kergoth | schurig: are you not listening? |
| 16:14.52 | schurig | kergoth: I'm not going to enable sending e-mails from my workstation :-) |
| 16:14.55 | kergoth | schurig: bkbits DISABLED TRIGGERS |
| 16:15.01 | kergoth | schurig: what part of that do you not understand? |
| 16:15.12 | kergoth | either i miss your mails, or i miss everyones. |
| 16:15.19 | schurig | kergoth: I know that all my changesets ends up in openlogging. that is no problem. |
| 16:15.43 | schurig | kergoth: my problem was that some change to the trigger scripts enabled some action that I was not aware of |
| 16:16.16 | kergoth | schurig: yes, and any change upstream to BitKeeper can change behaviors. thats the way the system works. which is why you should know what you're pulling |
| 16:16.24 | treke | man kernel.org is fast :p |
| 16:16.37 | kergoth | treke: :) |
| 16:17.07 | schurig | kergoth: anyway, your solution to the "they disabled triggers" is not a solution, because the mailing list will be missing things |
| 16:17.16 | kergoth | schurig: obviously. |
| 16:17.32 | kergoth | schurig: i cant send mails from here even if i wanted to due to firewalling |
| 16:18.29 | schurig | zecke_: I "bk push"ed stuff that included your fix to dosfstools, so now you just have to wait until the feeds make new packages :-) |
| 16:20.15 | schurig | ck1? Preemptive ? |
| 16:20.25 | kergoth | con kolivas' patchse4t |
| 16:20.31 | kergoth | interactivity |
| 16:20.39 | kergoth | low latency, preempt, supermount, etc |
| 16:23.32 | Dessimat0r | mmm |
| 16:25.26 | schurig | kergoth: do you have a PXA250 based Sharp? |
| 16:25.39 | kergoth | schurig: yeah, i have a c700 |
| 16:25.59 | schurig | kergoth: could you do me a favor and run pxaregs on it and send me the output? |
| 16:26.22 | schurig | http://www.mn-logistik.de/unsupported/pxa250/ is the URL |
| 16:26.37 | kergoth | k |
| 16:26.49 | kergoth | dont have its charger w/ me at work, i'll check when i get home |
| 16:26.57 | HCl | has that vfat-modules stuff been fixed yet? |
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| 16:27.30 | Dessimat0r | are we very near to moving to the new kernel? :D |
| 16:27.34 | HCl | mickeyl|bbl: ? |
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| 16:27.55 | agupta | kergoth hows the new linuxkernelconf stuff coming along |
| 16:28.12 | agupta | Twiun made any fonts/fb progress? |
| 16:28.57 | Twiun | agupta: yeah, figured out the bdf font format and found some example code |
| 16:29.04 | Twiun | agupta: so that's what we'll be using |
| 16:29.19 | agupta | cool |
| 16:29.59 | treke | kergoth: I'm using the rc8 one |
| 16:30.05 | treke | kergoth: so far it's been pretty unstable |
| 16:30.41 | kergoth | treke: how so? |
| 16:31.00 | treke | kergoth: it hung my machine twice last night |
| 16:31.08 | kergoth | ouch |
| 16:31.59 | treke | yeah |
| 16:32.17 | treke | also put xfs on a couple partitions. |
| 16:32.26 | kergoth | schurig: did you add Provides and Replaces to konq when you changed the package names? |
| 16:32.36 | kergoth | schurig: well not necessarily provides, but replaces at the very least |
| 16:32.44 | kergoth | schurig: otherwise the upgrade path wont grab the new packages |
| 16:33.23 | HCl | igh! |
| 16:33.43 | HCl | kergoth: where can i find the config files for the kernel-modules package? |
| 16:33.50 | kergoth | HCl: config files? |
| 16:33.55 | kergoth | HCl: the kernel module ipks are generated |
| 16:33.58 | schurig | kergoth: ups, I didn't. I thought the konqueror-snapshot name was a mistake anyway, wasn't it named "konquerer-*" before? |
| 16:33.59 | kergoth | HCl: ls scripts/ipkg-make-kernelpackages |
| 16:34.24 | HCl | >.<! |
| 16:34.34 | kergoth | schurig: whether its a mistake or not, quite a lot of people have the -snapshot packages |
| 16:34.35 | HCl | i just want to get that vfat-modules dependancy out x.x |
| 16:34.46 | kergoth | schurig: so we need to not break their ability to upgrade |
| 16:35.08 | HCl | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for kernel-modules: |
| 16:35.08 | HCl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.26 | kergoth | HCl: yes, i know the error. |
| 16:35.31 | kergoth | HCl: no, its not fixed. |
| 16:35.36 | HCl | kergoth: how can i quickly fix it.. |
| 16:35.48 | kergoth | vi output/ipks/Packages, remove it from the Depends field of kernel-modules |
| 16:35.52 | HCl | thakns |
| 16:35.53 | kergoth | hack, but it'll get you an image |
| 16:36.00 | HCl | nod |
| 16:36.12 | treke | kergoth: you used the aa vm much? |
| 16:36.14 | schurig | HCl: I said to you yesterday that you could edit your Packages file :-) |
| 16:36.25 | HCl | schurig: mm, must've missed it.. |
| 16:36.39 | kergoth | treke: doesnt ck use aa by default? |
| 16:36.43 | treke | nope |
| 16:37.53 | treke | it uses his tweaks to what is probably a stock vm |
| 16:37.57 | HCl | fwa! |
| 16:38.05 | HCl | ERROR: Package kernel-modules (parent kernel-modules) is not available from any configured src. |
| 16:38.07 | HCl | bull! |
| 16:38.10 | HCl | o.o |
| 16:38.51 | HCl | ibot, buildroot |
| 16:38.52 | | hmm... buildroot is a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ or a heavily modified version used by the OpenZaurus project, or see oz buildroot |
| 16:38.56 | HCl | ibot, oz buildroot |
| 16:38.57 | | i heard oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 16:39.37 | pchitescu | btw, how do you solve the cache cleaning problem on konq/e? |
| 16:40.08 | kergoth | treke: oh shit dood |
| 16:40.10 | pchitescu | i can see it defaults to /tmp which is not cleaned |
| 16:40.13 | kergoth | treke: his old patchset.. |
| 16:40.19 | kergoth | treke: used to be either rmap or aa |
| 16:40.29 | treke | kergoth: he has his ckvm |
| 16:40.31 | kergoth | treke: and *cough* coincidentally, his old stuff didnt suck |
| 16:40.34 | kergoth | .. |
| 16:40.37 | schurig | pchitescu: /tmp is ramdisk, so when you switch off your device and pull out the battery ... |
| 16:40.45 | treke | which is in the unified patch |
| 16:40.55 | kergoth | treke: right, you'd havef to apply it piecemeal |
| 16:40.56 | treke | or you can used the patch set and get either ckvm, rmap, or aa |
| 16:41.00 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:41.04 | pchitescu | schurig: yes, but meanwhile it grows |
| 16:41.07 | treke | which do you recommend mr. kernel :p |
| 16:41.19 | kergoth | treke: I always had good luck with aa. didnt use rmap extensively |
| 16:41.58 | pchitescu | konq/e cache should be set to $KDEHOME/apps/kio_http/cache |
| 16:42.05 | HCl | -.- |
| 16:42.13 | schurig | I'm going into the weekend, byebye |
| 16:42.14 | HCl | and then i didnt have a output/ipks/Packages anymore |
| 16:42.18 | HCl | how do i tell bk to redownload it |
| 16:42.37 | pchitescu | in that place it gets cleaned and size-limited |
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| 16:42.57 | kergoth | HCl: you dont |
| 16:43.00 | kergoth | HCl: make image creates it |
| 16:43.02 | HCl | mmk |
| 16:43.09 | HCl | aha |
| 16:43.50 | HCl | there wasnt a vfat-modules line on the kernel-modules, but there was on the msdos modules stuff |
| 16:44.03 | treke | we know |
| 16:44.09 | HCl | okay.. |
| 16:44.43 | HCl | then taking out the vfat-modules part isnt doing any good. |
| 16:46.15 | treke | kergoth: the rc8 patch will work |
| 16:46.21 | treke | kergoth: 2.4.21 is just 2.4.21-rc8 :p |
| 16:46.45 | chouimat | treke: trying the ck patch forr 2.4.21? |
| 16:48.59 | treke | chouimat: yes |
| 16:49.16 | chouimat | any problem with it? |
| 16:49.22 | kergoth | treke: yeah, saw that |
| 16:49.29 | kergoth | treke: i'm grabbing the patchset atm to try aa |
| 16:50.31 | treke | chouimat: keeps hanging my machine. Going to try on a different box |
| 16:50.37 | chouimat | k |
| 16:52.20 | treke | kergoth: aavm still doesnt apply though |
| 16:52.24 | treke | kergoth: which sucks |
| 16:52.42 | kergoth | grr |
| 16:53.25 | pb_ | hah |
| 16:53.45 | Dessimat0r | someone built some newish initrd + bzImages a while back, but didn't put them on the OZ site.. can anyone remember where they were? |
| 16:54.38 | pchitescu | treke: it may be released or applied on an already patched version |
| 16:55.26 | treke | its just funny that a patchset meant for applying to rc8 cant be applied cleanly to a clean rc8 |
| 16:56.28 | treke | most likely he just renamed the rc7 patches since I had the same problem there |
| 16:57.19 | HCl | gah |
| 16:57.40 | HCl | i wish it listed what options needed to be checked to enable an option |
| 16:58.04 | treke | enabmle mtd |
| 16:58.08 | treke | and mtd-ram |
| 16:58.17 | HCl | yea.. i got that far... where are they located, the options? |
| 16:58.25 | treke | and probably other stuff |
| 16:58.29 | kergoth | treke: AA fails in _1_ file |
| 16:58.30 | treke | under the mtd menu |
| 16:58.33 | kergoth | treke: you can probably adapt it |
| 16:58.42 | HCl | aha o.o |
| 16:58.42 | treke | kergoth: yup. I think it's already done |
| 16:58.48 | HCl | okay.. |
| 16:59.04 | treke | I did a quick once over of the patch and it looked like it was already applied |
| 16:59.08 | kergoth | treke: oh, you think that fix is already in? |
| 16:59.09 | kergoth | treke: ah |
| 17:00.22 | chouimat | bob rules number 134: never left the cupboard doors open when you just bought a fresh baguette |
| 17:01.42 | treke | greg rule number 136: never buy a baguette |
| 17:02.30 | kergoth | treke: tried compiling after applying the patch even w/ the reject? |
| 17:02.56 | HCl | gah |
| 17:03.05 | treke | kergoth: compiling now |
| 17:03.43 | treke | because you compiled the running kernel from a different location? |
| 17:03.44 | mithro | kergoth: btw did i tell you i got a Wireless card today? it worked first time when pluged into OZ |
| 17:03.55 | HCl | treke: mm, no, i apparently was in the middle of a kernel upgrade |
| 17:03.55 | kergoth | mithro: glad to hear it |
| 17:03.58 | HCl | and left in the middle |
| 17:04.37 | mithro | kergoth: it's a lowpower seano card, it's got really good sensativiy, almost as good as my normal wireless card... |
| 17:05.23 | mithro | btw you can't use your keys on the inital invalid date screen... |
| 17:06.23 | mithro | bah now i'm stuck, my ts is configured for 320x240 and i can't click on the stupid yes/no for the information dialog |
| 17:07.04 | mithro | any idea how to get out of this? |
| 17:07.55 | mithro | ahh ha! wireless card to the rescue :) |
| 17:11.04 | HCl | right |
| 17:11.17 | HCl | i feared so.. you cant mount jffs2 locally to test the image? :S |
| 17:11.24 | kergoth | yes, you can |
| 17:11.26 | HCl | how..? |
| 17:11.27 | kergoth | but not with mount -o loop |
| 17:11.30 | HCl | mm |
| 17:11.33 | HCl | yea, so i found out |
| 17:11.36 | kergoth | read the archives of the linux mtd mailing list |
| 17:11.49 | HCl | cant you just tell me? :/ |
| 17:11.55 | kergoth | nope |
| 17:13.23 | HCl | i'll just try this |
| 17:13.47 | treke | google.com. mount jffs2 desktop |
| 17:13.50 | treke | I feel lucky |
| 17:16.59 | HCl | thanks.. |
| 17:21.39 | HCl | seems to work :D |
| 17:24.19 | HCl | no opie :S |
| 17:25.26 | HCl | right.. no libgcc.. |
| 17:25.42 | kergoth | yeah, gcc3 images require it |
| 17:25.47 | HCl | uhuh |
| 17:25.51 | HCl | but it didnt build properly |
| 17:25.53 | HCl | so i had to disable it |
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| 17:26.08 | treke | kergoth: booting 2.4.21-ck1 |
| 17:26.13 | kergoth | HCl: find /path/to/your/toolchain -name libgcc_s.so\* |
| 17:26.16 | kergoth | treke: excellent |
| 17:26.20 | kergoth | treke: w/ aavm, right? |
| 17:26.24 | kergoth | treke: let me know how it goes |
| 17:26.29 | HCl | ah :) okies |
| 17:26.29 | treke | with aavm |
| 17:26.33 | treke | so far so good |
| 17:26.47 | kergoth | HCl: copy it to output/rootfs/lib/ |
| 17:26.50 | kergoth | HCl: heheh |
| 17:27.36 | HCl | now i need to see if i can still get usbd up... otherwise i'll have to wait till i get my flashdrive to recover from this.. |
| 17:28.43 | kergoth | treke: hmm, included the cpufreq support for laptop cpus |
| 17:29.03 | kergoth | treke: wonder how that works.. if ya need a userspace daemon to adjust the frequency based on activity |
| 17:29.23 | treke | kergoth: acpid/apmd probably does it |
| 17:29.33 | HCl | x.x |
| 17:30.00 | kergoth | treke: thatd be pretty smooth. i'd like to see that on my pda... strongarm supports cpufreq |
| 17:30.16 | HCl | yay *has a form of an usbd link* |
| 17:30.23 | treke | kergoth: nifty |
| 17:30.55 | kergoth | well, you can use cpufreq w/o ck |
| 17:31.06 | treke | yeah but I want the rest of this stuff also :p |
| 17:31.07 | kergoth | in fact, rmk did a bunch of the cpufreq work |
| 17:31.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:31.17 | kergoth | treke: you see aa's emails re: the Z? |
| 17:31.23 | kergoth | treke: he wants aavm on his Z kernel |
| 17:31.43 | treke | kergoth: emails where? |
| 17:31.59 | kergoth | treke: umm openzaurus-users or openzaurus-devel, dont recall which |
| 17:32.04 | kergoth | treke: dig around from emails from andrea |
| 17:32.09 | kergoth | nothing much came of it though |
| 17:32.14 | kergoth | i think he's waiting for the 2.4.21 rmk |
| 17:32.31 | HCl | doh! o.o |
| 17:32.52 | treke | kergoth: I dont read -users, just -devel :p |
| 17:33.15 | Twiun | ftp? netcat? |
| 17:33.22 | kergoth | treke: the mails really shouldve been on devel.. but i dont think andrea knew about that list |
| 17:33.30 | HCl | netcat :D |
| 17:34.27 | Twiun | HCl: hand-copy it, byte by byte? |
| 17:34.40 | icefox | yah 2.4.21 is out finally |
| 17:34.51 | icefox | and built in zaurus usb stuff |
| 17:34.52 | kergoth | brb, rebooting onto 2.4.21-ck1 |
| 17:37.55 | HCl | Twiun: heh. |
| 17:38.21 | kergoth | hm |
| 17:38.31 | kergoth | treke: do you use text mode console, or FB con? |
| 17:40.13 | kergoth | bleh, i forgot to enable acpi |
| 17:40.26 | kergoth | forgot mtdram too |
| 17:40.31 | Twiun | lol |
| 17:40.43 | treke | text mode console |
| 17:40.55 | kergoth | treke: what mode? |
| 17:41.10 | bipolar | cd /usr/src; tar jxvf ~/linux-2.4.21.tar.bz2; grep -r "SCO Sucks!" linux |
| 17:41.44 | tronical | hehe |
| 17:42.57 | treke | kergoth: 40x25 probably |
| 17:43.02 | kergoth | treke: eek |
| 17:43.15 | bipolar | man... with this new kernel out, I have servers to upgrade. :) |
| 17:44.37 | treke | kergoth: I only use console when shit happens, so itw orks for me :p |
| 17:45.02 | bipolar | has the battery swich TODO in 2.4.19 been looked at? |
| 17:45.25 | kergoth | bipolar: define 'looked at' |
| 17:45.48 | bipolar | kergoth: code imagined and knowing where to place it. ;) |
| 17:46.00 | kergoth | there are two pieces |
| 17:46.10 | kergoth | you need to check it on bootup to decide whether or not to immediately suspend |
| 17:46.22 | kergoth | and you need to suspend when it gets flipped while running |
| 17:46.26 | kergoth | and reboot if it gets flipped back |
| 17:46.30 | kergoth | afaik |
| 17:47.59 | HCl | gah |
| 17:48.07 | HCl | undefined symbol while trying to start opie.. |
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| 18:00.15 | HCl | i dont suppose there are any sl 5500 emulators for on the x86? *forces a smile* |
| 18:01.55 | mithro | there is an x86 emulator the arm... |
| 18:01.58 | mithro | anyway i'm off to bed |
| 18:01.59 | Twiun | lol |
| 18:02.00 | mithro | gnight |
| 18:02.03 | mithro | exam tommorrow |
| 18:02.41 | mithro | Twiun: it's unusabbly slow :) |
| 18:03.08 | Twiun | mithro: I wonder why :) |
| 18:03.17 | Dessimat0r | it can run windows! |
| 18:03.17 | Twiun | HCl: google is your friend: http://armphetamine.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:03.30 | Twiun | Dessimat0r: get me vmware for the Z, stat! |
| 18:03.34 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 18:04.41 | kergoth | hey, i have a cubicle |
| 18:04.42 | kergoth | sweet |
| 18:04.49 | chouimat | kergoth: cool |
| 18:05.00 | kergoth | nice cubicle's too |
| 18:05.04 | HCl | wow o.o |
| 18:05.04 | kergoth | by the windows |
| 18:05.06 | HCl | it actually exists? |
| 18:05.13 | HCl | it was more or less meant as a joke.. |
| 18:05.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:05.41 | kergoth | brb |
| 18:06.11 | HCl | oh, just the arm cpu :p |
| 18:06.14 | Twiun | kergoth: who did you have to kill to free up the space? |
| 18:07.03 | kergoth | Twiun: sshhh |
| 18:09.31 | Neo|Work | what the fsck. An email listed sent to the OPIE list, normal email, which spamassassin claims has a forked Outlook MUA and is listed in Razor2.. |
| 18:11.10 | chouimat | +lar |
| 18:11.38 | kergoth | sqlite = spiffy |
| 18:11.53 | bipolar | chouimat: the problem is I'm a programing newbe learning things as I go, and QT+SQLite has very few examples to look at. |
| 18:12.13 | kergoth | if you know sql syntax, i doubt it should be too tough |
| 18:12.18 | chouimat | bipolar: I know |
| 18:13.05 | bipolar | kergoth: the SQL syntax is easy. It's the C++ I'll have problems with. I don't even know how to tell my app to link to the library yet. :p |
| 18:13.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:13.12 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 18:13.55 | bipolar | I've got my UI all layed out though. I now now how to get the buttons to do 'things' and retrive data from the fields/widgets. :) |
| 18:14.34 | bipolar | does anyone know of any programs that are in the buildroot that use sqlite? |
| 18:14.54 | kergoth | bipolar: libopiesql |
| 18:15.17 | bipolar | libopiesql? You mean there is a library that does a lot of the work for me?! :-D |
| 18:15.25 | kergoth | treke: this ck+aavm feels pretty solid |
| 18:15.32 | kergoth | bipolar: its a backend for the pim stuff |
| 18:15.43 | kergoth | afaik |
| 18:16.29 | bipolar | heheh... looks like it's all in CVS only.. ;p |
| 18:16.35 | kergoth | man, the rpms built by 'make rpm' in a linux kernel tree suck |
| 18:21.15 | zecke_ | bipolar: yup opiesql does almost all the work |
| 18:21.28 | zecke_ | bipolar: OSQLRawQuery q("select * from foo"); |
| 18:21.40 | bipolar | zecke_: yeah... I'm reading the example app now. Very nice |
| 18:21.41 | zecke_ | driver->query(&q); |
| 18:22.10 | bipolar | zecke_: is this your work? |
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| 18:27.26 | agupta | hello |
| 18:30.14 | chouimat | yello |
| 18:31.49 | agupta | whats new |
| 18:37.41 | bipolar | hmmm... when I want to include opie headers, I set -I$(OPIEDIR)/include, and then #include <opie/header.h> in the code, or just <header.h>? |
| 18:38.45 | zecke_ | opie |
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| 18:40.19 | bipolar | zecke_: thanks |
| 18:41.06 | killefiz | hmm - joke or not?: dear killer, i'm looking for a windows ce emulator for my zaurus so i can use my aol account to surf the web . what is this xfree86 ? do you have any windows ce emulators for zaurus? if you could and would help that will be great. thanks. |
| 18:43.47 | bipolar | killefiz: either the msg is a joke, or the guy's brain is. |
| 18:44.02 | bipolar | zecke_: are there some doc's on this somewhere or is there just the code? |
| 18:44.19 | cyn_ | wow that guy needs to just get a CE device and go curl up and smile naively |
| 18:45.11 | killefiz | cyn_: i could include that in my reply or tell him to look at bochs for windows emulation ;) |
| 18:45.56 | cyn_ | eeeeeeeevil |
| 18:47.09 | agupta | killefiz haha, do it |
| 18:47.44 | Dessimat0r | mm.. BeOS on handhelds would be nice |
| 18:48.11 | Dessimat0r | but Palm fucked Be up |
| 18:48.25 | Dessimat0r | and code is not open-sourced |
| 18:51.20 | agupta | beos bootup times were amazing |
| 18:51.25 | Dessimat0r | yeah |
| 18:53.11 | agupta | wow.. all of opie is in debian |
| 18:53.13 | Dessimat0r | think how cool it would be is BeOS were open-source |
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| 19:22.05 | treke | kergoth: it could just be my board at home |
| 19:22.09 | treke | kergoth: or maybe an SMP thing |
| 19:23.08 | bipolar | zecke_: is setUrl set to a file or a directory that the driver populates? |
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| 19:23.44 | zecke_ | bipolar: filename for the sqlite driver |
| 19:24.49 | bipolar | zecke_: so thats the file that the data gets stored to? |
| 19:24.53 | kergoth | woot |
| 19:24.57 | kergoth | i have a cubicle |
| 19:24.58 | kergoth | :D |
| 19:25.01 | treke | finally |
| 19:25.04 | bipolar | kergoth: congratz |
| 19:25.06 | kergoth | only took 3 weeks |
| 19:25.29 | chouimat | kergoth: hehe |
| 19:26.08 | Twiun | kergoth: guess what I just came across in the Wonka sources? |
| 19:26.31 | Twiun | kergoth: a bdf/pcf font loader implemented in C! |
| 19:26.36 | kergoth | Twiun: nice |
| 19:27.00 | Twiun | kergoth: and they based their work on the X sources... the X copyrights are all over the place :) |
| 19:30.14 | Neo|Work | kergoth: man, that took a while |
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| 19:36.08 | kergoth | Neo|Work: no kidding |
| 19:37.12 | Neo|Work | <kergoth> Now I don't have to work in the tent they out up in the parking lot for me! |
| 19:37.30 | Dessimat0r | I wonder if there are loads of KFCs in Kenchucky |
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| 19:56.54 | Twiun | kergoth: actually... its a pcf reader... oh well... X gets distributed with bdf to pcf, no biggie |
| 20:09.29 | masticator | hmm 2.4.21 |
| 20:09.36 | masticator | we gonna bother to port OZ to that kernel? |
| 20:09.53 | treke | not until rmk does :p |
| 20:09.54 | masticator | wassup twiun |
| 20:09.57 | masticator | how goes Wonka |
| 20:11.05 | treke | masticator: 2.4.19 is the most recent |
| 20:19.06 | kergoth | 2.4.21 + ck + aavm feels pretty smooth so far |
| 20:19.08 | kergoth | eh treke? |
| 20:19.55 | treke | kergoth: its woring ok on this box |
| 20:20.30 | kergoth | i was running stock 2.4.20 on the laptop previously, so i'm feeling the stock -> ck benefit again |
| 20:20.33 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:20.38 | kergoth | wonder how well acpi is working |
| 20:21.16 | kergoth | ah, i should try shutting down, and see if it lets me shut it off w/ just a tap of the power button the way APM does |
| 20:21.20 | treke | kergoth: Is pcmcia working? |
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| 20:21.36 | treke | kergoth: its a shame that the swsusp patch is broken (supposedly) |
| 20:22.16 | kergoth | treke: pcmcia seems to be working. i cant truly test atm because my authentication w/ LEAP to get onto the TI network isnt working atm |
| 20:22.35 | kergoth | but iwlist ap does show the nearby access points |
| 20:22.38 | kergoth | so it seems to be workin |
| 20:22.42 | treke | hmmm |
| 20:22.50 | treke | maybe it just like my card |
| 20:24.23 | kergoth | just like your card? |
| 20:24.31 | treke | doesnt |
| 20:24.33 | treke | just doesnt |
| 20:24.46 | kergoth | doesnt what? |
| 20:24.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:25.01 | treke | doesnt like |
| 20:25.32 | kergoth | oh, gotcha |
| 20:25.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:25.41 | treke | ~lart kergoth |
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| 20:30.42 | Twiun | masticator: wonka's been on hold for a while - too many other things going on |
| 20:32.05 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:34.28 | bipolar | zecke_: did you write zeilenweise.cpp? |
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| 20:48.04 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 20:49.51 | beattie | lp |
| 20:49.55 | beattie | lo |
| 20:59.11 | treke | hehe |
| 20:59.21 | treke | bigboss doesnt like the new sharp rom |
| 20:59.47 | Twiun | could it be because of the pim db change perhaps? |
| 21:00.12 | treke | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=2573090&forum_id=12899 |
| 21:00.20 | treke | " >>The changes Sharp made are a crime against humanity, it's been a total |
| 21:00.23 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.10 | Twiun | rofl |
| 21:01.26 | Twiun | at the very least sharp could have provided some compat apis |
| 21:01.46 | treke | what compatability apis :p |
| 21:01.55 | treke | there was no api in the first place :p |
| 21:02.04 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:02.06 | TheMasterMind1 | poor bigboss |
| 21:02.09 | masticator | gotta love shawn |
| 21:02.10 | TheMasterMind1 | i ALMOST feel sorry for him |
| 21:02.31 | masticator | he hasnt been on IRC in ages |
| 21:02.33 | kergoth | s/ALMOST/dont/ |
| 21:02.40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: heh |
| 21:02.41 | TheMasterMind1 | right on |
| 21:02.43 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whats new |
| 21:02.45 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:02.46 | treke | this dtm stuff isnt the same db as trolltech is using, right? |
| 21:02.53 | kergoth | nada, im knee deep in build stuffs |
| 21:03.01 | kergoth | coding an oemake binary |
| 21:03.03 | kergoth | with dependency handling |
| 21:03.10 | kergoth | coming along fairly well |
| 21:03.13 | kergoth | oeconfig is still a ways off |
| 21:03.42 | TheMasterMind1 | multisync is damn cool |
| 21:03.47 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: nice nice |
| 21:05.08 | Twiun | treke: afaik it's Sharp's innovation |
| 21:05.18 | kergoth | s/innovation/pile of crap/ |
| 21:05.19 | kergoth | :D |
| 21:05.31 | Twiun | those two terms aren't mutually exclusive :) |
| 21:05.40 | kergoth | point taken |
| 21:05.58 | Twiun | kergoth: oeconfig is going to be curses based or something else? |
| 21:07.55 | kergoth | Twiun: multiple options |
| 21:08.12 | Twiun | cool |
| 21:08.15 | kergoth | Twiun: I want it to *behave* like linuxkernelconf |
| 21:08.20 | kergoth | so a text file outputted by it |
| 21:08.24 | kergoth | that you can load ala oldconfig |
| 21:08.26 | kergoth | that sort of thing |
| 21:08.35 | kergoth | cause its such a sane way of handling it |
| 21:08.39 | kergoth | no need to invent a new format |
| 21:08.47 | Twiun | gotcha - I also read about the enable stuff, nifty stuff |
| 21:08.59 | kergoth | very |
| 21:09.04 | kergoth | the new oeconfig will have two components |
| 21:09.14 | Twiun | how does it handle diamond dependencies? |
| 21:09.14 | kergoth | there's the config.in portion, that'll use libkconfig |
| 21:09.27 | kergoth | and the portion that parses 'package' metadata |
| 21:09.32 | kergoth | which is package selection |
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| 21:10.35 | kergoth | Twiun: dependency handling is up in the air atm |
| 21:10.44 | kergoth | Twiun: for now i'm going to use a really simple digraph class that we have in pure python |
| 21:10.54 | kergoth | Twiun: longer term, cworth and I are going to start rearchitecting ipkg |
| 21:11.01 | kergoth | Twiun: and ipkg and oeconfig will share a core dependency handling library in C |
| 21:11.29 | Twiun | that sounds really cool :) |
| 21:12.38 | kergoth | yeah, no need to reinvent the wheel. we need to handle deps w/ versioning, provides, etc |
| 21:12.46 | kergoth | so at least if we reinvent hte wheel, we use the same wheel |
| 21:12.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:15.06 | Twiun | yeah, no point shaping it like a square peg... |
| 21:15.09 | Twiun | ... for a round hole |
| 21:20.15 | TimRiker | ~bk |
| 21:20.16 | | extra, extra, read all about it, bk is see bitkeeper or under a really crappy license |
| 21:20.21 | TimRiker | ~oz bk |
| 21:20.21 | | oz bk is, like, bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 21:20.25 | TimRiker | ~oz cvs |
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| 21:20.47 | TimRiker | ~oz snapshot |
| 21:20.47 | | hmm... oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 21:22.15 | masticator | kergoth: glad to hear about ipkg, it needs a total overhaul |
| 21:22.22 | masticator | its a horrendous peice of shit as it stands |
| 21:24.12 | chouimat | re |
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| 21:29.11 | Dessimat0r | http://pixel32.box.sk/shot/qshot1.jpg |
| 21:29.12 | Dessimat0r | mm |
| 21:33.32 | kergoth | masticator: yep. thats the plan, a complete rearchitect |
| 21:34.32 | Twiun | Dessimat0r: that looks nice |
| 21:35.15 | masticator | what is that, beos? |
| 21:35.35 | masticator | ah QNX |
| 21:38.31 | bipolar | hehe... I built a bunch of stuff on opie's libsql and libsql is not even compiled. hehe.. no wonder the linker complains. ;) |
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| 21:48.46 | kergoth | heh, shit, at this rate i'll have oemake doing automated nightly builds by fuckin monday or tuesday |
| 21:48.50 | kergoth | thats pretty damn smooth |
| 21:48.58 | kergoth | who wants to write transition scripts to start converting packages? |
| 21:50.27 | Neo|Work | kergoth: I see you're going for the world domination in terms of slurping up all source packages imaginable. :P |
| 21:50.34 | kergoth | muahahah |
| 21:50.52 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i want OE able to build packages from source rpms, debian source feeds, or .oe files |
| 21:50.57 | kergoth | Neo|Work: heh! |
| 21:52.01 | Twiun | gonna make it take tarballs, fix their automake/autoconf bugs and integrate the app seamlessly? |
| 21:52.15 | Twiun | automated x86->arm conversions too? |
| 21:53.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:53.56 | Neo|Work | ahaha |
| 21:54.43 | Neo|Work | the Swedish government owned game company (as in Lotto and crud like that) sent a mail to customers about an online site for some sort of game/gambling what not |
| 21:55.10 | Neo|Work | the url was: <a href="xxx">...</a> (where xxx SHOULD have been replaced with the real URL) |
| 21:55.21 | Neo|Work | guess what the average browser does with a url 'xxx'? :-)) |
| 21:55.36 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:55.38 | kergoth | thats funny |
| 21:55.52 | Twiun | lol... I wonder what ie does by default |
| 21:55.52 | TimRiker | maybe it is an xxx site. |
| 21:56.08 | Twiun | rofl - it uses MSN's search |
| 21:56.19 | TimRiker | mozilla will go to http://www.xxx.com/ |
| 22:03.59 | Twiun | oh dear |
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| 22:10.04 | Twiun | I'll do better making one from scratch from the spec |
| 22:10.22 | kergoth | Twiun: having fun are we? |
| 22:10.36 | Twiun | kergoth: yeah... talk about shoddy code |
| 22:10.59 | Twiun | kergoth: innumerable X dependencies via headers and any number of pointer indirections |
| 22:11.15 | Twiun | kergoth: I'll throw something together which is much simpler |
| 22:11.30 | Twiun | kergoth: I just need to extract the bitvectors for god's sake |
| 22:11.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:12.05 | Twiun | why is everything so overengineered? |
| 22:12.17 | kergoth | i dunno man |
| 22:12.32 | kergoth | simplicity + flexibility is always the way to go |
| 22:15.07 | Twiun | yup |
| 22:15.18 | Twiun | modularity will always win over the god class |
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| 22:24.28 | kergoth | brb |
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| 22:31.58 | Twiun | hmmm... I may need to add pseudo-antialiasing manually |
| 22:32.05 | Twiun | oh well |
| 22:38.48 | Twiun | right, best be off to some sleep :) |
| 22:44.09 | SuKoSh| | hi |
| 22:44.33 | SuKoSh| | i'm actually playing with zaurus kernel |
| 22:44.42 | SuKoSh| | all my compiled kernel won't boot |
| 22:45.00 | SuKoSh| | i compiled with gcc 2.9xx (from OZ Official toolchain) |
| 22:45.08 | SuKoSh| | does anyone have a clue? |
| 22:45.36 | mickeyl | more input |
| 22:46.11 | SuKoSh| | 2.95.3-oz-1.2 |
| 22:46.37 | SuKoSh| | unpatched zaurus source from sharp site |
| 22:46.38 | mickeyl | sorry, but 'kernel won't boot' is no error message |
| 22:46.53 | mickeyl | can't help without information 'bout errors or even your hardware |
| 22:46.59 | SuKoSh| | C700 |
| 22:47.06 | mickeyl | ah well... i'm off ;) |
| 22:47.22 | SuKoSh| | after flashing, nothing happens... |
| 22:48.25 | cleverdra | Suko - try turning the Z on. |
| 22:48.34 | SuKoSh| | i used to compile a kernel, and it worked |
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| 22:58.11 | kergoth | SuKoSh|: then obviously something in your environment changed that broke it |
| 22:59.25 | cleverdra | Or suko obviously made a silly, innoculous little error in the procedure to reflash his Z. |
| 22:59.47 | kergoth | erroring in the flash procedure is still something in his environment that changed to break it |
| 22:59.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:02.59 | cyn_ | kergoth is an environmentalist |
| 23:03.07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:03.38 | kergoth | hm, at work i have good lighting, and a computer chair |
| 23:03.42 | kergoth | at home i have a floor |
| 23:03.46 | cyn_ | hmmmmm work late |
| 23:03.50 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:03.52 | cyn_ | @ work you have intarweb 2 |
| 23:03.55 | cyn_ | or u get that @ home |
| 23:03.57 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:04.01 | kergoth | no net at home yet |
| 23:04.09 | kergoth | brought my xm radio here, so have tunes too |
| 23:04.13 | mickeyl | hmm... someone been reading zaurus.com/dev/board lately? the air is getting thin for us opie folks |
| 23:04.23 | kergoth | mickeyl: havent, whats up? |
| 23:04.28 | cyn_ | how you like xm radio kergoth |
| 23:05.14 | kergoth | I like it alot. I listen to music like 24/7, and my tastes are varied.. so theres lots of music to listen to that there are no local stations for |
| 23:05.15 | mickeyl | kergoth: well... ljp contacted someone to get the source code of the tinykate mods |
| 23:05.31 | mickeyl | kergoth: then this person said he is getting "legal threats from the opie team" |
| 23:05.33 | kergoth | yeah, ljp forwarded the reply from the dood to the opie core devel list |
| 23:05.40 | mickeyl | and now the people are bashing us |
| 23:05.41 | mickeyl | e.g. |
| 23:05.48 | mickeyl | As a result of the Opie team's threats against cwaig, it's become necessary to cancel this project. |
| 23:05.48 | mickeyl | The lack of proper project documentation means that it would be at least 10 times as much work as I originally volunteered to do in order to track down the source needed to ensure strict compliance with the GPL. The fact that the Opie developers, themselves, couldn't be bothered to do it in the first place is not a proper legal defense. |
| 23:05.48 | mickeyl | Sorry, folks, but I don't have that time to spare, and I can't afford the potential legal liability. |
| 23:05.49 | mickeyl | I'm having some problems accessing the site via ftp at the moment, but the feed will go away as soon as Chris gets that sorted out. |
| 23:05.49 | mickeyl | Thanks to those of you who at least tried to help preserve it. |
| 23:06.22 | kergoth | er? |
| 23:06.34 | mickeyl | nice heh |
| 23:06.36 | kergoth | lack of project documentation prevents him from getting source? |
| 23:06.38 | kergoth | wtf is that |
| 23:06.41 | kergoth | its a fucking cvs repository |
| 23:07.24 | mickeyl | well that was not the tinykate guy but another guy which wanted to revive the sharprom/opie feed and cancelled the project after hearing cwaig's whining |
| 23:07.55 | kergoth | I dont see wtf he's trying to say in that statement |
| 23:08.30 | mickeyl | well... me neither... but its the spirit what I'm afraid of... |
| 23:09.18 | mickeyl | don't want to piss you off, but... here is another one |
| 23:09.23 | mickeyl | --- |
| 23:09.24 | mickeyl | Fuck Opie. Does anyone have the sources for cwaig's TinyKate? I'll host them and the binary on my website. If anyone has them and wants to send them to me, please send me an email (with or without the files attached) to elvisdieguez<NOSPAM>@speakeasy.net and I will be happy to post them up. This whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth for Opie. Come to think of it, I've gotten the feeling that other developers have had probl |
| 23:09.34 | kergoth | mickeyl: if someone is distributing binaries of gpl applications, they need to be able to satisfy the requirements of the license. this has nothing to do with Opie specifically |
| 23:09.45 | mickeyl | _i_ know :) |
| 23:09.49 | kergoth | if they cant deal with the terms of the license, they shouldnt be touching code that is governed by it |
| 23:09.53 | kergoth | gross idiocy |
| 23:09.57 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 23:10.30 | mickeyl | bad vibrations... |
| 23:10.34 | kergoth | personally i despise forum interfaces. you feel like defending us? |
| 23:10.35 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:12.06 | mickeyl | kergoth: well... i maybe will - I've been pretty helpful in the past and that behaviour here is ridiculous... we are working in our spare time and share that work with them and they are behaving like that :( |
| 23:12.39 | mickeyl | maybe it is just a wave... |
| 23:13.51 | kergoth | mickeyl: open source projects are always being treated like they're commercial wrt user support and responsibility, its sad. |
| 23:15.00 | mickeyl | ljp is also on that forum - he may comment on that. don't know what's between ljp and cwaig... sounds more than the reaction of just a "please release the source to your tinykate mods" |
| 23:15.25 | kergoth | well, ljp did state that cwaig needed to release the changes |
| 23:15.32 | kergoth | which is the case |
| 23:15.33 | mickeyl | yeah, that part is ok |
| 23:15.34 | cyn_ | so someone made some mods to tinykate, and didn't rerelease them |
| 23:15.48 | cyn_ | what's this about complaining about opie not being available |
| 23:15.58 | mickeyl | but i would like to know what did get the situation to the current state |
| 23:15.59 | kergoth | cyn_: and then got all bitchy about someone asking them to comply with the gpl |
| 23:16.48 | cyn_ | what sources does he have to track down |
| 23:16.54 | cyn_ | if he makes binaries he has sources |
| 23:16.56 | kergoth | cyn_: i dont get that either. i was confused |
| 23:17.15 | cyn_ | see those files you downloaded and modified? upload them somewhere. |
| 23:17.43 | cyn_ | does he legally even have to upload all the files, just those that changed afaik (strictly legally speaking) |
| 23:18.06 | kergoth | cyn_: he has to release the exact sources that match his built binaries |
| 23:18.20 | kergoth | whether or not some of those files are distributed by opie proper is irrelevent |
| 23:18.24 | kergoth | he has to release it all |
| 23:18.33 | cyn_ | well, he has them to compile |
| 23:18.38 | cyn_ | so i don't see the problem |
| 23:19.21 | mickeyl | no he don't has them. he grabbed that feed from opie.net.wox.org/sharpzaurus/current while they were online. i deleted them because there were so fscking old and now he tried to recreate that feed |
| 23:19.50 | cyn_ | so he grabbed source files, modified them, then made binaries and deleted the modified source files |
| 23:19.56 | mickeyl | no modifications |
| 23:20.03 | mickeyl | well we're talking bout two guys here |
| 23:20.04 | cyn_ | if there are no mods then who cares |
| 23:20.12 | mickeyl | the tinykate guy and the sharpromfeed guy |
| 23:20.18 | mickeyl | sharpromfeedguy is just way off imho |
| 23:20.24 | mickeyl | tinykate guy has a problem with ljp imho |
| 23:20.29 | kergoth | agreed |
| 23:20.42 | cyn_ | got their addresses? |
| 23:20.53 | cyn_ | I just wanna attend a private /. meetup |
| 23:21.24 | mickeyl | well... all those crap is @ zaurus.com/dev/board in the "Software Applications" and in the "OpenZaurus/Qtopia/Opie" forum |
| 23:21.25 | cyn_ | <on bat> |
| 23:21.29 | mickeyl | lol |
| 23:22.29 | kergoth | hm, i need to get a real mouse for my cube |
| 23:22.42 | kergoth | stupid little button mouse and touchpad on the laptop |
| 23:23.51 | chouimat|food | hmmm I need another head this one hurt |
| 23:24.25 | kergoth | i should go home, eat, then come back and code further |
| 23:24.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:24.47 | mickeyl | going to sleep |
| 23:24.48 | mickeyl | n8 |
| 23:25.10 | kergoth | night mickeyl|away |
| 23:29.10 | cyn_ | i'm gunna post a little diatribe |
| 23:29.21 | cyn_ | short sweet and to the point |
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| 23:42.08 | cyn_ | *reply posted* |
| 23:44.20 | treke | kergoth: dont do it |
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| 23:52.50 | kergoth | treke: dont eat? or dont come back? |
| 23:57.42 | treke | dont come back |
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| 23:58.22 | kergoth | treke: at home is no internet, no comfy computer chair, no music, and no tv |
| 23:58.25 | kergoth | treke: home sucks |
| 23:58.31 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
| 23:58.41 | kergoth | treke: course i could go out drinking, but I want to get my bills caught up before i start droppin cash |
| 23:58.47 | ljp_laptop | so you are working 80+ hours a week..? |
| 23:58.52 | kergoth | 'working' |
| 23:58.56 | kergoth | yeahhh |
| 23:59.01 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 23:59.14 | kergoth | I am actually working on OE atm |
