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| 00:54.04 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup xmission.bzflag.org |
| 00:55.34 | chouimat|diner | kergoth: still have proxi problem? |
| 00:56.00 | kergoth | goin home |
| 00:56.19 | chouimat|diner | kergoth`bbl: do you called to get cable and high speed internet? |
| 01:01.08 | kergoth`bbl | ibot: nslookup ftp.kernel.org |
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| 01:08.42 | chouimat|away | ljp_laptop: wb |
| 01:10.14 | ljp_laptop | hi |
| 01:17.07 | cleverdra | well, actually I play an mp3. |
| 01:17.13 | chouimat|away | cleverdra: I prefer the vagina song :) |
| 01:17.54 | cleverdra | chou - I haven't heard that one, though I have the penis song. |
| 01:18.22 | chouimat|away | cleverdra: vagina is better and it's on the net |
| 01:18.39 | cleverdra | OK; as is the penis song. |
| 01:21.15 | chouimat|away | cleverdra: or any monty python stuff |
| 01:23.55 | ljp_laptop | "life is shit. when ya think of it" |
| 01:26.05 | ljp_laptop | :D |
| 01:26.23 | ljp_laptop | well?!? |
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| 01:28.14 | chouimat|away | ljp_laptop: hehe |
| 01:28.27 | chouimat|away | hi treke|home |
| 01:32.00 | ljp_laptop | bleh |
| 01:32.07 | ljp_laptop | tv is a wasteland |
| 01:32.48 | ljp_laptop | hopefully I got most quircks from op1. I keep finding new ones, though |
| 01:32.52 | ljp_laptop | hehehee |
| 01:32.58 | ljp_laptop | liar! |
| 01:33.14 | chouimat|away | ljp_laptop: I got a nice phone call so I'm off in 20 minutes |
| 01:41.18 | fishy | what device type should I select under wellenreiter |
| 01:51.40 | ljp_laptop | hmmmmm |
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| 01:53.59 | chouimat|away | ljp_laptop: very good ayreon song |
| 01:55.16 | ljp_laptop | man, sco and opengroup are really shoving a boot up their own ass |
| 01:55.37 | treke|home | sco on the other hand |
| 01:56.07 | chouimat|away | Zambucca Ginger Ale <---- ewwwwwwwww |
| 01:56.49 | ljp_laptop | unix _is_ a generic term |
| 01:58.58 | chouimat|away | ljp_laptop: as pc |
| 01:59.37 | _Psycho | yeah opengrous was making sense, sco is like wtf |
| 01:59.39 | ljp_laptop | yup |
| 02:01.27 | ljp_laptop | oh, and I have moderator status |
| 02:04.35 | chouimat|away | ljp_laptop: enjoy |
| 02:05.07 | cyn | whoa |
| 02:05.13 | cyn | holy crizz |
| 02:06.54 | cyn | http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Jun/bpd20030611020369.htm |
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| 02:07.09 | cyn | that is the answer to my prayers to god if such a creation exists |
| 02:07.51 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: as near as i can tell, no opie on that initrd, and the kernel oopses when i insert my wifi card =) |
| 02:08.19 | _Psycho | question ! how i am supposed to build the kernel with gcc 2.95 and the rest with gcc 3.2 ? |
| 02:08.50 | _Psycho | i have to make menuconfig choose gcc 2.95 make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-c700 then make menuconfig and build the rest ? |
| 02:10.19 | TheMasterMind1 | you'll need a bag of magic pixie dust first |
| 02:11.12 | _Psycho | got it ! |
| 02:11.37 | ljp_laptop | and then chant 'great googli-moogli' |
| 02:11.42 | _Psycho | I already did the voodoo part ! |
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| 02:12.48 | ljp_laptop | thats not voodoo |
| 02:13.33 | _Psycho | so my step was ok .? or nobody know and try to feed me with false stuff ! |
| 02:13.38 | _Psycho | =p |
| 02:14.53 | ljp_laptop | bbl |
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| 02:22.49 | treke|laptop | hrm I need extern lang="c" in all c libraries I want to use in a c++ app, right? |
| 02:23.50 | cleverdra | Something like 'extern "C" { .. }' |
| 02:24.03 | cleverdra | also, "around includes of C header files" |
| 02:24.18 | treke|laptop | bleh |
| 02:24.27 | treke|laptop | ~lart libstroke |
| 02:29.22 | treke|laptop | bqstroke.so: undefined symbol: _Z11stroke_initv |
| 02:29.25 | treke|laptop | grrr |
| 02:30.28 | treke|laptop | actually that fixed it |
| 02:30.28 | treke|laptop | cool |
| 02:34.11 | icefox | what is libstroke? |
| 02:35.35 | treke|laptop | icefox: mouse gesture library. you send it points, it tells you what the stroke was |
| 02:37.01 | masticator_ | souds like a teledildonics library |
| 02:37.41 | treke|laptop | it does that also |
| 02:38.32 | chouimat|shower | hey masticator_ |
| 02:43.34 | icefox | hey jason |
| 02:45.36 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 02:45.40 | TheMasterMind1 | i forgot how to use patcher |
| 02:45.54 | chouimat|shower | TheMasterMind1: perldoc patcher |
| 03:03.03 | chouimat|ZzZzz | night |
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| 03:16.28 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: any ideas about why kernel oopses and opie dissapeared from initrd |
| 03:17.36 | ljp_laptop | voodoo chile, man. |
| 03:29.12 | ljp_laptop | kinks |
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| 03:58.46 | ljp_laptop | yo |
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| 04:30.47 | chouimat|Zzzz | hi treke|wherever you may roam |
| 04:31.30 | treke|wherever | earthlink dns is fucked up :P logged on from my mail server |
| 04:32.00 | chouimat|Zzzz | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2269911435.html |
| 04:32.15 | chouimat|Zzzz | treke|wherever: is not porn ^-----------------^ |
| 04:32.35 | treke|wherever | so I'm safe :p |
| 04:33.38 | chouimat|Zzzz | treke|wherever: you asked me to warn people so I did :P |
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| 08:14.23 | cmartin | Gooooooood mooooorning Vietnam!! (oops, I'm in Germany) ;-D |
| 08:17.10 | yeiazel | shut the fuck up |
| 08:17.13 | yeiazel | let us sleep |
| 08:17.16 | yeiazel | :) |
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| 08:18.22 | Twiun | morning yeiazel, cmartin |
| 08:21.05 | cmartin | oh yeiazel is a "Morgenmuffel" ;) |
| 08:21.26 | yeiazel | :) |
| 08:21.50 | cmartin | cmartin closes yeiazels bedroom door and quietly walks away |
| 08:22.14 | yeiazel | mmmfffmmrrfffff..... zzZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzz |
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| 08:24.12 | Twiun | Where's my breakfast? |
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| 09:29.38 | cmartin | hi mickeyl |
| 09:31.24 | mickeyl | morning cmartin. i would like to create a release notes file with you and then we should announce the release to several sites |
| 09:32.34 | Twiun | hey mickeyl, pb_ |
| 09:33.15 | cmartin | mickeyl: I did write a short release note at SF, maybe we can wok off of that |
| 09:33.22 | cmartin | s/work |
| 09:33.35 | mickeyl | ok |
| 09:33.43 | mickeyl | hi Twiun |
| 09:35.44 | Twiun | mickeyl: fixed that bug - libFB was trying to get/set the TTY mode... obviously that wouldn't work from an opie console :) |
| 09:35.56 | Twiun | updated the patch |
| 09:36.40 | mickeyl | ok. can test that when I'm at home later today |
| 09:36.56 | mickeyl | Twiun: then it should be also working through ssh i think |
| 09:36.57 | mickeyl | ? |
| 09:37.31 | Twiun | yup, works fine here |
| 09:37.39 | mickeyl | cmartin: release notes are good. i would just want to add three parts, one about Opie, one about OpenEmbedded and one about the Bugs'n'Issues for the current release |
| 09:39.48 | Twiun | I'm downloading pfaedit so I can start looking into the fonts stuff |
| 09:39.57 | mickeyl | nice. |
| 09:40.11 | mickeyl | btw., can we do filled rectangles with different colors ? |
| 09:41.12 | pb_ | hi Twiun |
| 09:42.08 | Twiun | yup, although I think the filling algo may be buggy ;) |
| 09:42.09 | mickeyl | http://angela1.data-uncertain.co.uk/~zaurus/clipboard-applet-sharprom_1.0.0_arm.ipk |
| 09:42.19 | mickeyl | cutnpaste error in line 1 |
| 09:42.31 | Twiun | hehe |
| 09:43.29 | Twiun | actually.. I might as well fix those errors |
| 09:43.36 | mickeyl | cmartin: can you incorproate the Opie and OZ parts from openzaurus.org: http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/oz_website/content/whyoz |
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| 09:45.40 | mickeyl | hey carsten! |
| 09:49.02 | mickeyl | cmartin: i will email you a part about the bugs'n'issues in 5 minutes |
| 09:49.25 | carsten | tach |
| 09:53.49 | mickeyl | cmartin: mail sent |
| 09:57.59 | cmartin | mickeyl: k |
| 10:03.13 | mickeyl | cmartin: if you're done with the release note, i will announce it on several usenet groups (comp.handhelds.misc etc.). We should also target PDA websites and the german TablettPC discussion forum which seems to be the main SIMpad forum (forgot the link) |
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| 10:09.55 | schurig | mickeyl: any input on the calibrate issue? |
| 10:11.48 | mickeyl | schurig: no. this needs a thorough debugging issue which I don't have the nerves for atm. |
| 10:12.11 | mickeyl | s/issue/session |
| 10:12.34 | mickeyl | schurig: e.g. i don't understand why adding a linefeed seems to improve the situation |
| 10:13.10 | mickeyl | the problem definitly is in qt calibration, because if I calibrate with ts_calibrate and then start opie there is no problem |
| 10:13.26 | mickeyl | it only occurs when using opie/qt to calibrate |
| 10:16.12 | HCl | fcol, when will the buildroot actually work -.- |
| 10:16.18 | HCl | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for kernel-modules: |
| 10:16.18 | HCl | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.12 | mickeyl | make image_menuconfig and check vfat-modules |
| 10:20.37 | Twiun | damn. i misread - I need .psf fonts, not .pcf |
| 10:21.02 | HCl | mickeyl: i would if it existed |
| 10:21.06 | HCl | theres no such option |
| 10:21.11 | HCl | >.< |
| 10:26.38 | Twiun | and I can't find anything that converts ->.psf |
| 10:27.27 | mickeyl | maybe its called msdos-modules |
| 10:29.35 | HCl | nope |
| 10:29.38 | HCl | >.< |
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| 10:32.27 | Twiun | mickeyl: I'm going to have to hack in support for other font types |
| 10:32.39 | Twiun | mickeyl: .psf can only do widths of 8px |
| 10:33.20 | Twiun | mickeyl: I'm thinking .bdf might do |
| 10:36.16 | mickeyl | Twiun: that sounds cool! |
| 10:38.24 | HCl | when will it work >.< |
| 10:39.08 | Twiun | mickeyl|lunch: bonus with bdf is freetype.org have a ttf2bdf util |
| 10:39.30 | Twiun | HCl: when someone fixes it - don't leave it to others to fix something |
| 10:39.30 | mickeyl|lunch | HCl: well... it works for many of us |
| 10:39.44 | mickeyl|lunch | HCl: disable kernel-modules in make_imageconfig |
| 10:39.46 | mickeyl|lunch | bbl |
| 10:40.22 | HCl | dont i need those... |
| 10:40.46 | HCl | new error, isnt buildroot great.. |
| 10:40.51 | HCl | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for libopieobex0: |
| 10:40.51 | HCl | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.47 | Twiun | HCl: so enable building the vera fonts |
| 10:42.53 | pb_ | HCl: maybe you could consider fixing the problems rather than just bitching about them. |
| 10:42.56 | HCl | they ARE -.- |
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| 10:43.03 | HCl | pb_: i dont want to get into oz development -.- |
| 10:43.09 | HCl | i just want fscking xmms to work -.- |
| 10:43.16 | Twiun | HCl: only select one. Full || light |
| 10:43.39 | Twiun | HCl: and remove the other one from output/ipks |
| 10:43.45 | HCl | and these are the fucking standard settings |
| 10:43.49 | HCl | copied from def-config |
| 10:44.18 | HCl | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.22 | HCl | looks like its turned on to me. |
| 10:44.54 | Twiun | HCl: no need to swear. and who said the 'standard' settings were updated regularly? |
| 10:45.27 | HCl | sorry, but each time it takes a day to build everything |
| 10:45.33 | HCl | and it hasnt worked right even ONCE |
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| 11:02.25 | schurig | HCl: i guess you're mixing IPKs from different sources, vfat-modules sounds like familiar |
| 11:02.48 | HCl | schurig: i doubt that, im just doing a standard buildroot compile as on the website |
| 11:04.08 | schurig | HCl: grep vfat packages/kernel-*/* only reveals the usage of this string in kernel-c700. So, are you on c700? |
| 11:04.27 | HCl | no, 5500 |
| 11:04.46 | schurig | HCl: and, and not even in the current makefile, it's in some old makefile. |
| 11:04.55 | HCl | sigh |
| 11:04.56 | HCl | great |
| 11:05.01 | schurig | HCl: so, when the buildroot does not define the string "vfat", where does the string come from? |
| 11:05.04 | HCl | i'll just delete the entire buildroot *AGAIN* |
| 11:05.08 | HCl | want me to look? |
| 11:05.12 | schurig | HCl: it MUST be some different package |
| 11:05.51 | schurig | HCl: deleting buildroots doesn't fix problems |
| 11:06.09 | schurig | HCl: is 5500 collie or corgie? /me hates double names for single hardware |
| 11:06.12 | HCl | it gets me a new version? |
| 11:06.13 | HCl | collie |
| 11:06.28 | schurig | HCl: bk pull get's you a new version (if it exists), too |
| 11:06.35 | HCl | i know |
| 11:06.40 | HCl | i just did that, same error |
| 11:06.47 | HCl | sigh |
| 11:06.47 | HCl | nm |
| 11:06.56 | HCl | im not in the mood to fix problems x.x |
| 11:07.22 | schurig | HCl: ok, this Makefile refers to scripts/kernel-packages |
| 11:08.39 | schurig | HCl: you could delete the vfat lines in scripts/kernel-packages/categories and try it then |
| 11:12.10 | schurig | and, by the way, when you don't stop with muttering "fucking vera" or " isnt buildroot great" then we will stop supporting you. You don't have to use the buildroot |
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| 11:18.40 | schurig | HCl: another way is, just for a test, to edit the Packages file in the feed and remove the vfat-modules line from the "Depends:" line |
| 11:19.10 | HCl | dude.. im not that much into the buildroot... and i dont want to either x.x i know too much about computers already |
| 11:20.16 | schurig | HCl: ok, then stop using the buildroot :-) It is meant for developers. And as long as we developers don't declare it "stable" it is, by definition and outside circumstances, "unstable". |
| 11:25.39 | schurig | mickeyl|lunch: do you have a GPS receiver now? |
| 11:25.47 | schurig | mickeyl|lunch: so, will you add map capability to Wellenreiter? |
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| 11:35.29 | Twiun | schurig: any thoughts on what font type to use for the splashscreen? |
| 11:35.40 | Twiun | schurig: the pcf support that libFB provides is too limited |
| 11:35.52 | Twiun | schurig: erm. psf even |
| 11:35.52 | schurig | Twiun: splashscreen for what? |
| 11:36.09 | Twiun | schurig: for booting OZ |
| 11:36.27 | Twiun | schurig: framebuffer stuff |
| 11:37.46 | Twiun | schurig: libFB and libFB-utils in the buildroot |
| 11:39.36 | Twiun | I'm looking for a font format that doesn't require an external library to load it |
| 11:39.42 | schurig | Twiun: I'm not really graphically enabled, my web sites look plain and boring, so you shouldn't ask me. And, besides, I don't have any idea on available fonts |
| 11:40.02 | schurig | Twiun: the bitmap font that is part of the Linux kernel? |
| 11:40.34 | Twiun | schurig: awkward to convert other fonts to it |
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| 11:42.54 | Twiun | schurig: I'll keep looking |
| 11:43.39 | TeaX | i can't login on zaurus |
| 11:43.50 | TeaX | i get (none) login: |
| 11:44.32 | TeaX | and it ask a password for root |
| 11:44.38 | carsten | http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2003061200426RVEMHW |
| 11:44.39 | Twiun | tried 'rootme' ? |
| 11:44.50 | carsten | ^^^^ that link is a review of the 5600... |
| 11:44.56 | carsten | perhaps we should add a comment |
| 11:44.59 | Twiun | and usually, OZ assigns the hostname to openzaurus |
| 11:45.35 | TeaX | i know, but i rebooted and now i can't login |
| 11:46.02 | Twiun | did you try the password I mentionned? |
| 11:46.32 | TeaX | yes, login incorrect |
| 11:47.23 | TeaX | what should i do? |
| 11:48.37 | TeaX | there aren't initrd and zimage in cf so i can't reflash :( |
| 11:48.42 | TeaX | shit |
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| 11:54.53 | Twiun | hey mithro |
| 12:09.28 | mickeyl | schurig: yeah, received a gps recevier |
| 12:09.38 | mickeyl | schurig: didn't get that thing to work yet however |
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| 12:09.58 | schurig | mickeyl: I once had one and it didn't work, too. |
| 12:10.01 | mickeyl | schurig: if i get it to work, i will add map capatiblity wo wellenreiter |
| 12:10.07 | mickeyl | s/wo/to |
| 12:10.11 | schurig | mickeyl: then I heard that you have to keep it outside for quite a long time |
| 12:10.16 | schurig | > 30 minutes |
| 12:10.20 | mickeyl | what? |
| 12:10.23 | mickeyl | strange |
| 12:10.33 | schurig | so that it can synchronize to satellites (but that is from RUMOR, not from experience) |
| 12:10.38 | mickeyl | well - i will try it on weekend |
| 12:11.20 | mickeyl | things is... i hate CF cards other than wlan :) |
| 12:15.42 | mithro | hello? |
| 12:16.12 | mickeyl | hello |
| 12:17.06 | mithro | mickeyl: i saw a CF slot doubler the other day |
| 12:17.12 | mickeyl | where ? |
| 12:17.32 | mithro | in a telstra shop |
| 12:18.58 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 12:19.03 | ljp_laptop | interesting |
| 12:19.22 | mithro | it was for those open back cf slots |
| 12:19.28 | mithro | wouldn't work on a zaurus |
| 12:19.38 | ljp_laptop | even with a hack? |
| 12:20.03 | mithro | dunno, maybe... |
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| 12:45.52 | mithro | Twiun[afk]: what you up to? |
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| 12:57.34 | chouimat | morningg |
| 13:03.17 | prpplague | ljp_laptop: not even with a hack, the sharp ppl used the gpio for the second card detect pin for something else |
| 13:03.40 | prpplague | ljp_laptop: only the first card detect pin is enabled |
| 13:06.29 | ljp_laptop | bastards! |
| 13:06.51 | ljp_laptop | they also combined the sd's 4 channels into just one |
| 13:07.11 | pb_ | I wonder how hard it'd be to make an SD wifi card work on the Z. |
| 13:10.10 | cyn | pb_: likely impossible |
| 13:10.28 | cyn | for one thing, we don't even have the source for drivers for the data cards |
| 13:10.44 | cyn | and for another, afaik sdio requires all 4 data channels, whereas we only use 1 on the Z |
| 13:11.25 | cyn | though I don't know if the other 4 are there and the driver only uses the 1, so it's slightly possible that we have hardware support, but still no driver/software support if we do |
| 13:20.00 | Twiun | mithro: thinking about what kind of font support I should add to libFB |
| 13:20.31 | chouimat | hey Twiun |
| 13:20.50 | Twiun | hey chouimat |
| 13:22.02 | djr | font support is good |
| 13:22.12 | djr | i mean, as long as you can read it |
| 13:22.33 | Twiun | it's already got font support for .psf fonts - but they have limitations |
| 13:22.52 | Twiun | they have to be 8 pixels wide && they're only 1-bit fonts |
| 13:23.43 | Twiun | which means they're a bit small for the simpad for instance |
| 13:23.55 | djr | i have 5500 |
| 13:24.07 | bipolar | GOD! I *HATE* having to retry building a part of buildroot until Sourceforge decides to let it download the source. |
| 13:24.41 | bipolar | getting xmms-e to download took about 30 tries! |
| 13:24.49 | bipolar | ~lart sourceforge |
| 13:25.40 | chouimat | bipolar: sf sucks again this morrning? |
| 13:26.56 | bipolar | chouimat: yes. Last night too. |
| 13:28.51 | mithro | does the frase "You get what you pay for" come to mind? :) |
| 13:31.43 | bipolar | man... one program after another won't compile. kismet, iptables, whats next... |
| 13:32.23 | mithro | anyone know how i could do the following in opie/qtopia? |
| 13:33.21 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.22 | mithro | any currently-existing gfx's will be invalid and the screen should be |
| 13:33.22 | mithro | completely redrawn. In a multiple-process Embedded Qt situation you will |
| 13:33.22 | mithro | need to signal all other applications to also setMode() to the same mode |
| 13:33.22 | mithro | and redraw. |
| 13:33.50 | mithro | there must be a signal already there to tell it to redraw |
| 13:34.02 | mithro | as thats what happens when rotation occurs... |
| 13:48.05 | bipolar | php is the next victim |
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| 13:52.12 | Twiun | mithro: not a thing |
| 13:52.23 | Twiun | mithro: #qt is a good place to ask |
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| 14:10.30 | chouimat | hey sieve mickeyl |
| 14:11.20 | mickeyl | hoho |
| 14:11.45 | chouimat | mickeyl: where to get a simpad in germany? |
| 14:12.22 | cyn | imp0rt |
| 14:12.23 | bipolar | shit... perl is dumped too |
| 14:12.26 | cyn | use your american friends! |
| 14:12.45 | chouimat | cyn: germany to canada |
| 14:12.53 | cyn | ? |
| 14:12.59 | mickeyl | chouimat: i got it from http://www.kompetenz-park.com/kompetenz-park/onlineshop/simpad.htm |
| 14:13.28 | mickeyl | there are additional sources, e.g. saturn hanse electronic markets or so, however this is where you get the 330 EUR price |
| 14:13.55 | chouimat | mickeyl: ok since I'm going to the kde event in czech republic I will ask some german to get one for me :) |
| 14:14.20 | cyn | the screen on that simpad must be fairly sexy |
| 14:14.40 | cyn | my picturebooke was 1024x480 at 8.9, and that's 800x600 at 8.4 |
| 14:14.56 | cyn | ignore the e trailing the picturebook, its morning |
| 14:15.02 | mickeyl | well... it is big which is good, but on the same time it is not reflective, e.g. you see not very much outside :) |
| 14:15.20 | mickeyl | zaurus display is much better outside |
| 14:15.20 | cyn | same as the z c700 (and likely 750 760) |
| 14:15.56 | cyn | but if I'm gunna be outside usin the thing I might as well sit under a tree anyway, ya know? |
| 14:16.02 | cyn | :) |
| 14:16.13 | mickeyl | hehe yeah - in the shadow of a tree |
| 14:16.48 | chouimat | mickeyl: sl4 ? |
| 14:16.55 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 14:17.03 | mickeyl | NOT CL4 or T-SinusPad |
| 14:17.11 | mickeyl | these are the models with half the RAM and flash |
| 14:18.06 | chouimat | mickeyl: I need one without the ggerman thingy I don't have here |
| 14:24.30 | mickeyl | chouimat: SLC has DECT which you don't need. so SL4 is the best choice |
| 14:25.23 | chouimat | ok |
| 14:26.39 | mithro | how i wish there was a quick way to compile my opie changes to see if they worked :( |
| 14:28.04 | cmartin|lunch | mickeyl: I noticed you are answering the forums quite often. I have the forums set up to send a mail to me every time someone adds a new thread. Should I create an email group for that and include you in it? |
| 14:29.00 | mickeyl | cmartin|lunch: sounds good - but please make it so that i can filter that in a dedicated folder. |
| 14:29.23 | cmartin|lunch | mickeyl: in what manner do you mean? |
| 14:29.45 | mickeyl | using something which my email-client can match, e.g. a dedicated subject prefix or sender address or so |
| 14:31.55 | cmartin | The subject always says either "New thread at 'opensimpad.org'" or "New thread at 'www.opensimpad.org'", but I could create an email group called forums@opensimpad.org and you could filter the To: field for that |
| 14:32.42 | mickeyl | that is fine with me. opensimpad.org i can use to filter |
| 14:33.15 | cmartin | k, will do |
| 14:33.24 | mickeyl | ibot: bk snapshot |
| 14:33.25 | | mickeyl: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 14:33.32 | mickeyl | ibot: snapshot |
| 14:33.33 | | mickeyl: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 14:33.36 | mickeyl | ibot: oz snapshot |
| 14:33.37 | | oz snapshot is probably http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 14:33.40 | mickeyl | aaah |
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| 14:36.32 | cmartin | mickeyl: to which adress should forward forums@opensimpad.org to? |
| 14:36.50 | mickeyl | cmartin: mickey@tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de |
| 14:37.04 | mickeyl | hiho kenb |
| 14:37.06 | mickeyl | arg |
| 14:37.08 | mickeyl | hiho kergoth |
| 14:37.15 | mickeyl | ~lart tab completion |
| 14:37.20 | kergoth | :) |
| 14:37.21 | kergoth | hey |
| 14:37.49 | mickeyl | kergoth: yeah i normally do - but that is a forwarder and i don't need forwarding to a forwarder :D |
| 14:38.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:39.00 | mithro | kergoth! |
| 14:39.18 | mithro | i'm getting somewhere i think... |
| 14:39.38 | mithro | i've been following setRotation stuff about... |
| 14:39.38 | kergoth | nice |
| 14:39.47 | kergoth | heheh |
| 14:39.48 | chouimat | wooohooooo I will have my static ip adress jun 30th ... will be without net connection for a week :( |
| 14:39.50 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 14:40.11 | mithro | my only problem is that it seems i may have to modify qte |
| 14:40.29 | mithro | because the setMode support doesn't break out into interfaces Qtopia uses... |
| 14:40.39 | chouimat | ok does someone know how to kill 8 hours in schipol? |
| 14:40.48 | fishy | where can I get the make ipkg from? |
| 14:40.56 | killefiz | chouimat: pot is cheap ;) |
| 14:41.03 | chouimat | killefiz: haha |
| 14:41.33 | kergoth | mithro: well, qtopia can access the qws server.. does the qwsserver have a method you can make use of? (i.e. how we call setTransformation) |
| 14:41.38 | chouimat | killefiz: I see myself at the czech custom with red eyes :) |
| 14:42.34 | killefiz | chouimat: what the hell do you to in the czech republic? |
| 14:42.48 | killefiz | s/to/do/ |
| 14:42.48 | mithro | kergoth: QWSDisplay has the setTransform method on it, and it's what accesses the actual display object |
| 14:42.51 | chouimat | killefiz: going at the kde events in august |
| 14:42.58 | mithro | but it doesn't have a setMode method on it... |
| 14:43.00 | kergoth | mithro: i know. i'm asking if there's a similar method for resolution |
| 14:43.03 | kergoth | mithro: oh, gotcha |
| 14:43.05 | kergoth | mithro: that blows. |
| 14:43.12 | killefiz | ah - ok ... approved ;) |
| 14:43.17 | chouimat | killefiz: ? |
| 14:43.19 | mithro | so i think the best place to put it is on that class |
| 14:43.25 | kergoth | mithro: if you add the method, and opie uses it, the opie app that calls it will no longer be BC with qtopia |
| 14:43.30 | kergoth | mithro: or rather, with qt on the sharp roms |
| 14:43.35 | mithro | which means you have to patch qt |
| 14:43.40 | mithro | kergoth: and that happens :( |
| 14:43.48 | kergoth | mithro: yep, thats the main issue |
| 14:43.49 | kergoth | hmm |
| 14:44.02 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 14:44.04 | chouimat | killefiz: do you think that a 256MB CF will be enought for my digital camera? |
| 14:44.05 | kergoth | lets email the trolls |
| 14:44.10 | kergoth | see if they have any ideas |
| 14:44.37 | mithro | kergoth: through out the QWSdisplay file they have references to qt_screen object |
| 14:44.48 | mithro | only i can't figure out where it's actually defined... |
| 14:44.59 | killefiz | chouimat: for 3mp or less - probably |
| 14:45.06 | mithro | because if i can access that directly we can kinda move the functionality to libopie.... |
| 14:45.11 | chouimat | killefiz: photo |
| 14:45.39 | killefiz | chouimat: photo? mp = megapixel |
| 14:45.59 | chouimat | killefiz: sorry I read mp3 :) |
| 14:46.04 | killefiz | hehe |
| 14:49.01 | kergoth | mithro: its a static |
| 14:49.06 | kergoth | mithro: you wont be able to access it |
| 14:49.10 | kergoth | mithro: afaik |
| 14:49.21 | kergoth | worth confirming though |
| 14:49.25 | mithro | whats it's protection? |
| 14:49.31 | kergoth | protection? |
| 14:49.46 | mithro | ie private/public/protected/etc... |
| 14:49.56 | kergoth | its not in a class |
| 14:50.20 | mithro | varibles can be protected if i remeber correctly... |
| 14:50.22 | kergoth | afaik its a pointer sitting in a qt header.. i suppose you're right, maybe the qws server can touch it.. nobody else could |
| 14:50.45 | mithro | o |
| 14:50.56 | mithro | it's more static then i though it was :) |
| 14:51.04 | mithro | i was thinking static member of a class |
| 14:51.44 | kergoth | mithro: the pointer will be NULL/0 for anyone but the qws server, since its the qws server for whom qt sets up the screen object in the first place |
| 14:51.52 | kergoth | in fact, same situation as calibration |
| 14:52.08 | kergoth | in calibrate we touch the mouse handler directly |
| 14:52.48 | mithro | hrm... |
| 14:54.21 | mithro | so why doesn't setTransform check for this? |
| 14:54.52 | kergoth | because you can call it from any qpeapplication |
| 14:54.56 | kergoth | its not qws server specific |
| 14:55.01 | kergoth | *every* application can rotate itself |
| 14:55.02 | kergoth | and *does* |
| 14:55.10 | kergoth | we broadcast .. .'everybody rotate!' |
| 14:55.15 | kergoth | and they do :) |
| 14:55.51 | cmartin | mickeyl: ok forums@opensimpad.org setup - setup your filter ;) |
| 14:56.15 | mithro | the setTransform method though access qt_screen.... |
| 14:56.30 | mickeyl | cmartin: thanx. newsgroups have been spammed :) |
| 14:56.58 | kergoth | mithro: it is? then i guess its defined for every qpeapplication.. otherwise transform wouldnt work at all :) |
| 14:57.05 | mithro | first couple of lines |
| 14:57.06 | mithro | void QWSDisplay::setTransformation( int t ) |
| 14:57.06 | mithro | { |
| 14:57.06 | mithro | #ifndef QT_NO_QWS_TRANSFORMED |
| 14:57.06 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.06 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.27 | kergoth | ah, so its definately not null |
| 14:57.34 | kergoth | well thats good then |
| 14:57.43 | mithro | so how do i get hold of it then :) |
| 14:57.44 | kergoth | er |
| 14:57.48 | kergoth | hm |
| 14:58.11 | kergoth | qwsdisplay method is called by apps that arent the qws server? |
| 14:58.14 | kergoth | cool |
| 14:58.20 | cmartin | gotta go, bye bye |
| 14:58.23 | mickeyl | c'ya |
| 14:58.28 | mithro | hrm maybe not... |
| 14:58.50 | *** part/#openembedded cmartin (~cmartin@gw.krypnet.de) |
| 14:59.04 | mithro | that function might only get called on the QWS server |
| 14:59.11 | kergoth | mithro: hehe. isnt chasing calls around fun? |
| 14:59.19 | kergoth | mithro: you know there are apps that generate function call graphs, right? |
| 14:59.24 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:00.41 | lsmith | doh! ... almost drove to the linuxtag one month early |
| 15:00.47 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:00.51 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.51 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.51 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.51 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.51 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.52 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.12 | mithro | there, the function is only called if our current type is GuiServer |
| 15:01.18 | kergoth | mithro: defaultrotation != currentrotation |
| 15:01.26 | kergoth | mithro: they're independent and completely different implementations. |
| 15:01.26 | mithro | o wait :) |
| 15:01.37 | mithro | no such check |
| 15:01.39 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.39 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.39 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.39 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.39 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.57 | schurig | kergoth: do you know that we have a strange calibration bug in Opie, maybe due to the libts stuff in Qt-2.3.5? |
| 15:02.11 | kergoth | schurig: we do? i know we used to |
| 15:02.36 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 15:02.38 | kergoth | schurig: it used to be the case that calibration wasnt correct until rebooting, due to the ts_open having been called *before* the pointercal was written :) |
| 15:02.53 | mithro | woot, you can access qt_screen from inside QPEApplication |
| 15:03.05 | kergoth | mithro: directly? |
| 15:03.18 | mithro | yeah |
| 15:03.30 | mithro | there are functions inside qpeapplication.cpp which do it... |
| 15:03.31 | kergoth | well shit, if thats the case, try switching the current rot inline to do that |
| 15:03.48 | mithro | yeah now i need to figure out which header it's in... |
| 15:03.53 | kergoth | qpeapplication.h |
| 15:04.08 | mithro | qgfx_qws.h:extern QScreen * qt_screen; |
| 15:04.27 | kergoth | mithro: that doesnt mean much, if the qt_screen pointer is NULL in some cases |
| 15:04.32 | kergoth | mithro: i was concerned about its value :) |
| 15:06.06 | mithro | hrm... |
| 15:06.07 | mithro | #if ( QT_VERSION <= 230 ) && !defined(SINGLE_APP) |
| 15:06.08 | mithro | #include <qwidgetlist.h> |
| 15:06.08 | mithro | #ifdef QWS |
| 15:06.08 | mithro | #include <qgfx_qws.h> |
| 15:06.29 | kergoth | ifdef QWS |
| 15:06.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:06.41 | kergoth | thast find |
| 15:06.42 | kergoth | er |
| 15:06.43 | kergoth | thats fine |
| 15:07.07 | pb_ | bit early to be drinking. |
| 15:07.07 | mithro | join the club... |
| 15:07.28 | mithro | in theory i should now be able to send a qcop and it should resize my screen.. |
| 15:07.48 | kergoth | pb_: havent had caffeien yet |
| 15:07.52 | mithro | do i have to wait for all of opie to compile? or can i stop it somwhere? |
| 15:08.03 | pb_ | kergoth: ah, that explains it. |
| 15:09.16 | mithro | bah, i'm going to fail my Electronics 2 exam :( |
| 15:09.22 | mithro | TI? |
| 15:09.39 | kergoth | mithro: ti = texas instruments |
| 15:10.26 | mithro | ahh... |
| 15:10.33 | mithro | why would TI be concerned of SCO? |
| 15:10.45 | kergoth | they just hired me to do embedded linux development |
| 15:10.50 | kergoth | its pretty obvious they'll be using linux |
| 15:10.53 | kergoth | i'd say thats why he asked |
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| 15:11.23 | tux_mike | because SCO is trying to squash everything linux. they think if they do that, they can sell more unixwhore |
| 15:11.40 | tux_mike | but nobody likes unixwhore, it's such a flaky system |
| 15:11.55 | kergoth | unixware has a solid kernel, from what i understand |
| 15:11.59 | kergoth | its userspace is absolute crap |
| 15:12.46 | beattie | I think SCO just want to make a lot of trouble so somebody will buy them |
| 15:12.57 | tux_mike | i've heard it's an amazing patchwork of crappy code |
| 15:13.12 | chouimat | beattie: someone with a lot of money like IBM |
| 15:13.39 | beattie | anybody, cause otherwise all their stock options are underwater |
| 15:13.49 | tux_mike | yah, but i think ibm will make an example of SCO |
| 15:13.53 | tux_mike | *squash* |
| 15:14.01 | beattie | I think you are right |
| 15:14.35 | beattie | I think SCO will be trading for pennies bu the end of the year |
| 15:14.36 | tux_mike | especially with the extrotion that they are pulling |
| 15:14.52 | tux_mike | i don't think they will be trading that long |
| 15:15.19 | beattie | right, I said "by" not "at" :) |
| 15:15.42 | tux_mike | -.25 today |
| 15:15.49 | beattie | IBM seems to be ignoreing SCO so far |
| 15:17.33 | mithro | like anyone is going to buy more unixware... |
| 15:18.00 | tux_mike | unixwhore. get it right :) |
| 15:18.15 | beattie | well they did scare a lot of people in to buying licenses |
| 15:18.36 | kergoth | yep, but it wont prevent people from making moves to linux from whatever unix they're on, including unixware |
| 15:18.41 | kergoth | they're fighting a holding action |
| 15:18.42 | tux_mike | if i was rich i'd buy one of the development licenses, and release the code as gpl :) |
| 15:19.11 | mithro | and a few of them still have there unconditional "research" licenses |
| 15:19.33 | tux_mike | full source and everything? |
| 15:19.33 | mithro | from something like 20-30 years ago... |
| 15:19.38 | schurig | kergoth: no, we have no a nice problem. When you calibrate with ts_calibrate, then Qt/Opie works. |
| 15:19.51 | kergoth | schurig: i can calibrate using opie's calibrate just fine on my c700 |
| 15:19.58 | schurig | kergoth: now, calibrate with qt-calibrate. It bails out. mickeyl said you have to append a LF at the end, then it works |
| 15:20.00 | mithro | kergoth: how are we going to handle calibration after screen res change? |
| 15:20.19 | schurig | kergoth: but, once you save the calibration, then Qt/Opie is garbled, x/y coordinates are swapped |
| 15:20.20 | beattie | mithro: but no redistribution righte |
| 15:21.00 | schurig | kergoth: i have this problem on Ramses and mickeyl on simpad |
| 15:21.12 | mithro | beattie: it's supprising how free they where back then, they have a percentage redistribution rights |
| 15:21.13 | schurig | kergoth: could this be something with raw read / nonraw reads to tslib? |
| 15:21.26 | beattie | I suspect that the code they claim in in Linux from SCO probably went the outher way :) |
| 15:21.51 | beattie | mithro: not for source |
| 15:22.08 | kergoth | schurig: its possible. not altogether likely, but possible. add a couple qwarnings by each set of the raw state variable in the tslib mouse handler in qt |
| 15:22.26 | mithro | beattie: yeah for source, they can redistribute up to 1% of the source |
| 15:22.32 | tux_mike | i've heard that SCO ripped off some stuff from linux for their linux bin compat layer |
| 15:22.37 | kergoth | keep in mind i havent done any qt, opie, or OZ work in like a month |
| 15:22.38 | schurig | kergoth: will do this tomorrow |
| 15:22.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:22.45 | kergoth | so i'm going from memory here |
| 15:22.57 | mithro | it was meant to allow publication in journals about how to fix stuff etc... |
| 15:23.31 | mithro | but it's kinda worded in such away it really gives almost unlimited redistro rights |
| 15:24.30 | mithro | anyway i have better things to do then talk about SCO |
| 15:26.29 | mithro | make a good thing to distract tutors in CS/DSA tutorials though |
| 15:26.51 | mithro | i wish opie compiled faster |
| 15:27.34 | chouimat | mithro: easy buy a faster computer |
| 15:27.48 | mithro | chouimat: you need money to do that |
| 15:27.56 | mithro | and i would rather spend it on Z goodies... |
| 15:28.16 | chouimat | mithro: I just give you a solution and I didn't say it was a good one |
| 15:29.29 | kergoth | mithro: use ccache |
| 15:29.45 | mithro | ccache? |
| 15:29.50 | kergoth | compiler cache |
| 15:29.54 | kergoth | it caches object files |
| 15:30.06 | mithro | which does? |
| 15:30.11 | kergoth | if you've built something before, did a make clean, and make it again, with teh same options, and same code files, it'll use the cached objects |
| 15:30.29 | kergoth | so it zips along doing nothing until it hits something thats changed |
| 15:30.31 | kergoth | it *rocks* |
| 15:30.32 | mithro | o, thats rather coolish... |
| 15:30.33 | kergoth | try it |
| 15:30.43 | kergoth | ibot: ccache |
| 15:30.44 | | ccache is, like, a compiler cache that speeds up re-compilations of same sourcecodes where only some have different sourcefiles, see http://ccache.samba.org/ and also look for distcc |
| 15:30.59 | mithro | only problem with that is if you did a make clean wouldn't you want it to recompile everything? |
| 15:31.07 | kergoth | mithro: not if you're compiling the same sources |
| 15:31.13 | kergoth | mithro: with teh same flags, and same headers |
| 15:31.18 | kergoth | mithro: it keeps a crc of all this shit |
| 15:31.25 | kergoth | so it knows when it needs to and when it doesnt |
| 15:31.52 | kergoth | it stores the exactly compile line, so gcc builds dont leak into arm-linux-gcc builds |
| 15:32.01 | kergoth | s/exactly/exact/ |
| 15:32.58 | mithro | how do i get arm-linux-gcc to work with it then :) |
| 15:33.21 | mithro | since the virtual frame buffer doesn't impliment setMode last time i looked... |
| 15:33.32 | kergoth | work with it? |
| 15:33.37 | kergoth | export CC="ccache gcc" |
| 15:33.42 | kergoth | export CC="ccache mips-linux-gcc" |
| 15:33.43 | kergoth | whatever |
| 15:33.46 | mithro | ahh okay |
| 15:33.49 | bipolar | finaly... I'm updating unstable |
| 15:33.54 | kergoth | if you have it installed, builtroot uses it automatically |
| 15:33.57 | mithro | so it's not compiler specific |
| 15:33.58 | kergoth | for everything |
| 15:34.25 | mithro | woot a deb |
| 15:34.30 | *** join/#openembedded CuCullin (~slds@bgp433329bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 15:35.07 | mithro | how does buildroot detect it? |
| 15:35.21 | kergoth | checks if `which ccache` returns nothing |
| 15:35.23 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:35.43 | tux_mike | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/watches/5eec/ |
| 15:35.50 | tux_mike | that woudl be good for keeping keys one |
| 15:35.51 | tux_mike | on |
| 15:36.07 | mithro | woot it worked :) |
| 15:36.14 | mithro | now i'm ccacheing :) |
| 15:36.46 | kergoth | mithro: you wont notice much till your second build :) |
| 15:37.16 | mithro | this won't work very well if i keep building opie from two diffrent tree's? |
| 15:37.42 | *** join/#openembedded icefox (~ben@ool-4351483a.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 15:37.56 | kergoth | tux_mike: thats pretty damn cool |
| 15:37.58 | kergoth | mithro: ? |
| 15:38.11 | kergoth | mithro: it doesnt care about trees. it cares about the compile line and the sources |
| 15:38.29 | kergoth | if the sources are different, it doesnt use the cached objects. if the compile line is different, it doesnt use the cached objects |
| 15:38.33 | kergoth | thats all there is to it |
| 15:39.43 | tux_mike | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/keyboards/5fff/ this would really throw me off |
| 15:40.14 | mithro | kergoth: but it doesn't clean the object unless it runs out of space? |
| 15:40.25 | kergoth | mithro: it has a max cache size |
| 15:40.31 | mithro | okay |
| 15:40.37 | kergoth | mithro: default is a certain % of the drive size |
| 15:40.40 | kergoth | you can specify though |
| 15:40.44 | kergoth | it can easily be a couple gigs |
| 15:40.45 | kergoth | mine is like 3 |
| 15:40.54 | mithro | mine should be like 5 then |
| 15:40.57 | kergoth | but thats due to doing buildroot builds, which is a fuckload of objects |
| 15:43.30 | tux_mike | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/5f84/ it's amazing on how many agents you can get with this little snippet of code :) |
| 15:44.23 | cyn | tux_mike: I wanna play with that keyboard, I've been eyeing the manuf website every once in a while for a year or so now |
| 15:44.30 | cyn | the manuf sells it for 300 |
| 15:44.39 | tux_mike | yah |
| 15:44.40 | cyn | which is still ridiculously high priced for a keyboard |
| 15:44.57 | chouimat | manuf? |
| 15:45.01 | cyn | it's just two oversized cirque's with some silkscreening and software |
| 15:45.04 | cyn | manufacturer |
| 15:45.13 | chouimat | cyn: which keyboard?? |
| 15:45.13 | tux_mike | i don't know if i can' type as fast without the tactile response of a normal keyboard |
| 15:45.25 | kergoth | what keyboard? |
| 15:45.27 | cyn | chouimat: second link |
| 15:45.31 | cyn | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/keyboards/5fff/ |
| 15:45.34 | tux_mike | i linked it |
| 15:45.40 | kergoth | tux_mike: i cant. i'm *really* picky about the tactile feel of keyboards |
| 15:45.49 | kergoth | people look at you funny when you type on every keyboard in a best buy |
| 15:45.53 | kergoth | ever notice that? |
| 15:46.14 | tux_mike | no. i usually don't care what people think of me when i go to places |
| 15:46.19 | chouimat | kergoth: yup I do that too |
| 15:46.22 | kergoth | i didnt say i cared |
| 15:46.24 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:46.27 | kergoth | just that i noticed |
| 15:46.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:46.32 | tux_mike | heh |
| 15:46.52 | cyn | heh that watch is kinda slick |
| 15:46.53 | chouimat | kergoth: and finding the right price vs feel is hard |
| 15:47.08 | bipolar | kergoth: hmm... I wonder if thats the same look you get when you start rebooting pc's with knoppix... |
| 15:47.12 | cyn | now if only it used sd/mmc instead of just onboard flash :0 |
| 15:47.15 | tux_mike | ewwww! the left thumb is backspace |
| 15:47.21 | tux_mike | that would drive me bananas |
| 15:47.37 | kergoth | tux_mike: ack |
| 15:47.46 | tux_mike | this layout sucks ass |
| 15:47.50 | tux_mike | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/keyboards/5fff/images/447/ |
| 15:47.57 | cyn | haha |
| 15:48.02 | kergoth | wtf |
| 15:48.08 | kergoth | screw that |
| 15:48.13 | cyn | wow that's really f'ing engineered |
| 15:48.14 | tux_mike | very much so |
| 15:48.15 | cyn | geniuses |
| 15:48.20 | chouimat | hmmm I think I need to shave |
| 15:48.22 | cyn | man |
| 15:48.44 | cyn | the layout of the ... damn whats it called, the black semitransparent flexible keyboard you can get at CUSA |
| 15:48.47 | tux_mike | kergoth: i really wish i could find a decent USB keyboard in the sun layout |
| 15:48.49 | cyn | the layout on that is unusable |
| 15:49.09 | kergoth | tux_mike: yeah |
| 15:50.30 | tux_mike | http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/hw/spares/pricebook/Ent_Appliance1.html holy crap! |
| 15:50.37 | chouimat|shaving | kergoth: http://www.di.unipi.it/~raggi/calltree2.png |
| 15:50.58 | cyn | this is my current preferred keyboard: http://www.directron.com/wk801.html |
| 15:50.59 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 15:51.29 | cyn | it's not perfect tho, my perfect one is this black one similar to that I got @ a computer show like 6 years ago... damn i wish i had gotten that dudes entire stock instead of just 1 |
| 15:52.36 | tux_mike | http://lios.apana.org.au/~cdewick/data/sunpix/type6_kbd+mouse.jpg that's the keyboard i like |
| 15:52.49 | tux_mike | the tactile response isn't great on the older sun ones |
| 15:53.31 | bipolar | can someone please check the unstable feed and make sure it works as expected? I just finished updating it. |
| 15:53.42 | tux_mike | but ebay has a bunch for 20 bucks right now |
| 16:01.41 | mithro | i saw some intresting discussion about why the new zaurus can't work as a usb host |
| 16:01.57 | kergoth | why? uh, becaues it doesnt have a usb host controller? |
| 16:01.59 | kergoth | seems simple enough |
| 16:02.27 | cyn | there's a cf adapter that provides usb host |
| 16:02.38 | cyn | but I think it would get VERY messy acting as host and slave |
| 16:03.27 | cyn | takes less power to just use wifi and vnc in anyway :P |
| 16:04.00 | *** part/#openembedded schurig (~schurig@p5080B341.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:04.24 | cyn | 222x103x16mm is what, 9 x 4.5 x .6 inches? |
| 16:04.36 | cyn | yea about that |
| 16:04.39 | cyn | tiny kb |
| 16:04.42 | chouimat|shaving | cyn: use the opie calc |
| 16:04.48 | cyn | :P |
| 16:05.02 | cyn | opie: calc 222/2.45 |
| 16:05.04 | cyn | :| |
| 16:05.13 | cyn | stupid nonexistant fantasy bot |
| 16:05.28 | chouimat|shaving | cyn: no on you zaurus |
| 16:05.50 | cyn | I know what ya meant, finish shavin |
| 16:06.10 | chouimat|shaving | cyn: phone :( |
| 16:06.16 | kergoth | ibot: 222 / 2.45 |
| 16:06.17 | | 90.612244897959 |
| 16:06.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:06.19 | mithro | kergoth: but there is enough simulates between a host and slave that you may be able to convince primated devices your a host.... |
| 16:06.23 | kergoth | ibot: botsnack |
| 16:06.23 | | :), kergoth |
| 16:06.35 | cyn | ibot: 103 / 24.5 |
| 16:06.36 | | 4.204081632653 |
| 16:06.51 | kergoth | hm, wonder if i'll get paid tomorrow |
| 16:07.02 | chouimat|shaving | kergoth: maybe |
| 16:07.05 | cyn | blegh those keyboards could easily hold 2 of my keyboards and matching numeric keypads to boot |
| 16:07.06 | tux_mike | hrm.... i'd hope so |
| 16:07.20 | kergoth | me too, since my cash is dwindling |
| 16:07.20 | icefox | hey kergoth: is that box with the little program you wrote packed up already? |
| 16:07.29 | icefox | no word from sharp yet |
| 16:07.37 | tux_mike | about? |
| 16:07.40 | bipolar | shit... how many 2.4.21 rc's are there going to be? |
| 16:07.43 | mithro | opie is still compiling... |
| 16:07.52 | kergoth | icefox: its still sitting on my drive in a pc at home, forgot to grab it last night. |
| 16:07.59 | tux_mike | cyn: the sun keyboards? |
| 16:08.28 | cyn | ya |
| 16:08.48 | tux_mike | but they have keys for everytthing. and the ctrl key is in the right place |
| 16:09.01 | cyn | I didn't grow up on suns, I'm fine ignoring the capslock |
| 16:09.14 | cyn | stupid key |
| 16:09.19 | cyn | caplock is ONLY GOOD FOR THIS |
| 16:09.23 | kergoth | anyone used a happy hacker kbd? |
| 16:09.25 | tux_mike | i grew up on apple IIs and the like, so that's where i expect the caps key to be |
| 16:09.27 | cyn | which is annoying^3 |
| 16:09.30 | kergoth | wondering how the tactile feel is |
| 16:09.31 | tux_mike | kerg: i got one |
| 16:09.35 | tux_mike | not bad |
| 16:09.38 | cyn | I was gunna get one |
| 16:09.48 | tux_mike | i stopped using it because of lack of arrows and numpads |
| 16:10.02 | tux_mike | and the fact that i had to use the fn key for every damned Fx key |
| 16:10.04 | cyn | I think I didn't because they changed the deal on it just as i was gunna and I was pissed about losing like $20 |
| 16:10.05 | kergoth | the arrows thing would annoy me, i dont mind the missing numpad, can always get one external |
| 16:10.19 | cyn | happy hacker doesnt have f#'s ? |
| 16:10.22 | kergoth | yeah, fn for function keys could get tiring, particularly switching virtual consoles |
| 16:10.26 | cyn | the hhk2 had arrow keys i know |
| 16:10.30 | tux_mike | very tiring |
| 16:10.33 | cyn | pfuca... |
| 16:10.40 | cyn | pfuca.com |
| 16:10.41 | tux_mike | cyn: yah, but still no real fn keys |
| 16:10.46 | pb_ | kergoth: forget virtual consoles, use X :-) |
| 16:10.53 | cyn | heh |
| 16:11.03 | cyn | then you need ctrl-a to switch screens |
| 16:11.36 | cyn | http://shop.store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/ now, i guess |
| 16:11.54 | mithro | kergoth: btw how would i find out what keycodes are getting send when you touch the toggle buttons at the back of the c700? |
| 16:12.17 | cyn | that might've been why I decided no come to think |
| 16:12.42 | cyn | prolly onna those "<friend> wheres the function keys" "<me> nevermind im not gettin that" |
| 16:13.09 | kergoth | pb_: bah, im a console junkie :) |
| 16:13.49 | cyn | http://www.directron.com/wk801.html still seems to win out on the keyboard scene imo |
| 16:13.53 | cyn | and it's on sale, think I'll get 2 more |
| 16:14.14 | beattie | I need full travel keys |
| 16:14.19 | kergoth | cyn: hows the feel? |
| 16:14.37 | cyn | tactile, little click noise - not entirely silent |
| 16:14.42 | cyn | no you gotta press |
| 16:14.43 | cyn | not hard |
| 16:14.57 | pb_ | oh yeah, that directron one does look cool. |
| 16:14.57 | cyn | the keys themselves are hard, but you don't just tap 'em it's got depth |
| 16:15.02 | kergoth | i tried to go back to old ibm keyboards |
| 16:15.02 | kergoth | you know |
| 16:15.08 | kergoth | the ones you could beat someone to death with |
| 16:15.10 | cyn | I hate having a numeric keypad |
| 16:15.11 | cyn | haha yeah |
| 16:15.13 | kergoth | but the travel on the keys is too far |
| 16:15.15 | tux_mike | looks like an f'ing laptop keyboard |
| 16:15.19 | kergoth | you have to push down too far, i'm used to new ones |
| 16:15.21 | kergoth | couldnt use it |
| 16:15.22 | cyn | they have like 6 pounds of steel in them |
| 16:15.30 | cyn | tux_mike: yeah it's great |
| 16:15.48 | mithro | building ipk's |
| 16:15.51 | cyn | I got a kb similar to that 6 years ago and haven't looked back |
| 16:15.58 | mithro | we'll soon see if my changes cause segfaults :) |
| 16:16.00 | cyn | except to wish I bought more heh |
| 16:16.10 | cyn | mithro: yer gunna try a res change right |
| 16:16.20 | mithro | yeah |
| 16:16.32 | cyn | good luck |
| 16:17.00 | pb_ | ah, suck, no international orders at directron.com |
| 16:17.03 | mithro | i so, i can then test scummvm :) |
| 16:17.15 | mithro | i saw a really cool folding keyboard the other day |
| 16:17.16 | cyn | no? bummer |
| 16:17.23 | tux_mike | i aslo don't like the lack of numpad |
| 16:17.27 | mithro | it was about the size of my c700 and was a full keyboard |
| 16:17.34 | cyn | mithro: normal ps2 or usb?? |
| 16:17.55 | mithro | ps2 or usb with ps2 to usb convertor |
| 16:17.59 | cyn | wow |
| 16:17.59 | mithro | cyn: it was really nice |
| 16:18.07 | mithro | but it was like $400 AUS |
| 16:18.10 | cyn | you need to find me a link |
| 16:18.10 | cyn | nevermind |
| 16:18.12 | cyn | heh |
| 16:18.26 | mithro | it's ALOT for a keyboard |
| 16:18.28 | cyn | for that kinda cash I can hire someone to carry a keyboard |
| 16:18.29 | tux_mike | isn't that $3.50USD? :) |
| 16:18.32 | cyn | hahaha |
| 16:18.44 | mithro | nah it's like $200 US |
| 16:19.11 | tux_mike | at least you didn't say CAD, i would have said $0.10USD :) |
| 16:19.18 | cyn | am I the only one who wants to wall mount some lcds behind his desk? |
| 16:19.26 | tux_mike | yes |
| 16:19.42 | tux_mike | because what good would they be behind the desk where you can't see them |
| 16:19.52 | cyn | above and behind :P |
| 16:20.04 | mithro | kergoth: which ipkg's should i copy accross? |
| 16:20.10 | tux_mike | and lcds suck ass |
| 16:20.15 | cyn | no |
| 16:20.20 | cyn | a lot of consumer ones do |
| 16:20.22 | kergoth | hm, my ex- from 4 years ago is calling/emailing me multiple times daily |
| 16:20.28 | cyn | but there are a lot of sexy laptop lcds |
| 16:20.29 | kergoth | uh, can we say 'didnt move on' |
| 16:20.29 | mithro | i'm guestting libopie1 ? |
| 16:20.33 | cyn | super crisp, fast, etc. |
| 16:20.39 | kergoth | mithro: where'd you make the change? |
| 16:20.47 | mithro | in opie/library/ |
| 16:20.52 | kergoth | libqpe1 |
| 16:21.09 | tux_mike | poor color accuracy, and they look like staring through a friggin screen door. many have horrible response times. |
| 16:21.20 | kergoth | god i love seeing actual emails on the linux-pcmcia list |
| 16:21.48 | tux_mike | vs what? |
| 16:23.43 | kergoth | vs nothing. activity indicates progress |
| 16:24.14 | mithro | well opie started okay |
| 16:24.16 | tux_mike | http://dancingdragon.com/catalog/customer/product.php?productid=16315&cat=131&page=1 wow. you need to drink all those shots after paying that much :) |
| 16:25.14 | kergoth | tux_mike: shot glass chess set? lol |
| 16:25.28 | mithro | well it definatley change the screen mode... |
| 16:25.31 | cyn | tux_mike: yeah the majority of lcds out there are pretty bad, but there are some really good ones |
| 16:25.34 | tux_mike | i'm guessing the game would go down hill after a while |
| 16:25.46 | cyn | almost all are attached to laptops from what i've seen |
| 16:25.49 | cyn | :( |
| 16:25.56 | tux_mike | cyn: the only good ones i've seen are the 150dpi ones that are barely avaliable in laptops |
| 16:26.11 | tux_mike | i can just barely make out the mask in those |
| 16:26.39 | cyn | I don't see the mask on my 10.4 1024x768 right here |
| 16:27.04 | cyn | not anymore than i see some funky grid which i think is on the back of the monitor of my 19in viewsonic |
| 16:27.50 | cyn | but I'll definitely give you the color thing too |
| 16:28.07 | tux_mike | my eyes seem to have good resolution but crappy lenses :) |
| 16:28.09 | cyn | I dunno how calibrate(able) it is, but they're a different kelvin amongst other |
| 16:28.14 | cyn | hehe |
| 16:28.18 | cyn | nearsighted? |
| 16:28.28 | cyn | if so, sit back and smile :P |
| 16:28.29 | mithro | kergoth: now to get everything to redraw correctly... |
| 16:28.34 | tux_mike | i can pick out very detailed things, but not without my glasses |
| 16:28.39 | tux_mike | cyn: VERY nearsighted |
| 16:28.40 | kergoth | mithro: did the res change work? |
| 16:29.00 | cyn | <mithro> well it definatley change the screen mode... |
| 16:29.16 | cyn | if it doesn't start behaving I'm going back to irssi |
| 16:29.21 | cyn | well, 'back' |
| 16:30.28 | kergoth | and xirssi too |
| 16:30.32 | tux_mike | irssi? |
| 16:30.46 | kergoth | irc client |
| 16:31.09 | tux_mike | i got that much :P |
| 16:31.20 | tux_mike | i'm not /that/ dense :) |
| 16:31.37 | kergoth | tux_mike: try it. console interface is like bitchx, but it defaults to creating a seperate window for each channel, and shows activity on the bar of every chan |
| 16:31.43 | kergoth | tux_mike: its quite nice. |
| 16:32.56 | mithro | hrm it gets it partly right |
| 16:34.21 | mithro | the launcher resized |
| 16:34.25 | mithro | but nothing else did |
| 16:34.53 | kergoth | mithro: you didnt do a check for the qws server like setdefaultrotation, right? |
| 16:34.57 | kergoth | oh |
| 16:35.11 | kergoth | launcher has bits to handle the redraw that i dontj know if everybody else has |
| 16:35.14 | kergoth | check the code |
| 16:35.21 | kergoth | brb |
| 16:36.21 | mithro | s/launcher/taskbar |
| 16:37.42 | mithro | i don't think anything else knows that the size has changed.... |
| 16:40.56 | kergoth | mithro: qcop messages are broadcasted.. and every qpeapplication listens on the system channel.. |
| 16:41.14 | kergoth | mithro: thats how the setcurrentrotation works, everyone gets it, everyone rotates themselves |
| 16:41.37 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:41.50 | mithro | qwssize=getenv("QWS_SIZE") |
| 16:41.54 | kergoth | but who knows how long it'll take for the rotation to occur, you dont want them to redraw until its happened |
| 16:41.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:41.59 | mithro | i don't actually change them... |
| 16:42.04 | tux_mike | kergoth: you may see a small slowdown on zelda over the next few days, i'm gonna grab a full mame romset :) |
| 16:42.09 | kergoth | tux_mike: k |
| 16:44.37 | mithro | how do i do this? |
| 16:44.40 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.27 | kergoth | i dont understand the question |
| 16:45.53 | mithro | that line isn't valid |
| 16:46.02 | mithro | i've never used a QString before |
| 16:46.12 | mithro | how do i put 2 arguments into the string? |
| 16:46.26 | kergoth | another .arg |
| 16:46.47 | kergoth | QString("%1x%2").arg("640").arg("480").latin1() |
| 16:46.48 | kergoth | iirc |
| 16:46.51 | mithro | okay |
| 16:48.35 | kergoth | python question, is there a faster way to get output from an external command than os.popen? |
| 16:48.39 | kergoth | s/faster/easier/ |
| 16:48.55 | mithro | ah hah! |
| 16:48.59 | mithro | void QWSServer::endDisplayReconfigure() |
| 16:49.11 | mithro | kergoth: depends on what you men faster |
| 16:49.49 | kergoth | s/faster/easier/ |
| 16:49.57 | mithro | okay now i need to figure out how to call the beginDisplayReconfigure |
| 16:50.10 | mithro | data = os.popen("blah").read() ? |
| 16:50.21 | mithro | then do the reconfigure |
| 16:50.27 | mithro | then call the end reconfigure |
| 16:51.07 | kergoth | thanks |
| 16:51.15 | kergoth | mithro: cool, so easier than you thought? |
| 16:52.06 | mithro | maybe... |
| 16:52.13 | mithro | i've got no idea how to call them... |
| 16:53.55 | kergoth | uh, if based on whether or not you're the qws server |
| 16:53.57 | kergoth | if so, call em |
| 16:54.00 | mithro | hrm i think i might have another idea... |
| 16:54.31 | mithro | whats the best way to rebuild only the section of opie i just modified? |
| 16:54.55 | kergoth | using buildroot or no? |
| 16:55.10 | kergoth | using buildroot, just rm stamps/.opie.binary |
| 16:55.12 | kergoth | and run make |
| 16:55.22 | kergoth | then itll rerun make in opie, which normally only builds what needs to |
| 16:56.08 | kergoth | remember.. even if you did a make clean, thanks to ccache, you wont wait long |
| 16:56.11 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:56.27 | mithro | yeah but it's still longer then nothing :) |
| 16:56.38 | mithro | i should get get it right first time :) |
| 16:57.14 | mithro | btw opie complains alot about missing help files... |
| 16:57.59 | mithro | i think i had my setmode in the wrong place so it wasn't working correctly... i've now moved it to the theroretically correct place.. |
| 16:59.42 | mithro | and it tries to arm-strip alot of things which arn't arm binary files... |
| 17:01.40 | *** join/#openembedded crusher (~stefan@microweb.xs4all.nl) |
| 17:02.37 | kergoth | mithro: it tries to strip things based on the execute bit in the permissions |
| 17:02.46 | *** join/#openembedded Laze (Laze@3E6B6031.aalb.stofanet.dk) |
| 17:02.52 | kergoth | mithro: same behavior as rpm and others |
| 17:03.16 | mithro | ahh okay |
| 17:03.32 | mithro | so how do i find out if i'm the QWSServer? |
| 17:04.14 | kergoth | mithro: doesnt setdefaultrotation do just that? |
| 17:04.17 | kergoth | mithro: copy it |
| 17:05.29 | Laze | Anyone know i get make to use gcc version 2.95 under mandrake 9.1 - i know i should use the -V2.95 parameter but nothing seems to help.. |
| 17:05.31 | mithro | ah yeah it does |
| 17:05.46 | kergoth | Laze: uh, gcc is gcc. you cant change its version with a commandline argument |
| 17:06.59 | pb_ | theoretically you can, but I don't think -V has ever really worked right. |
| 17:07.09 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:08.02 | Laze | kergoth: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.3/gcc/Target-Options.html#Target%20Options |
| 17:08.17 | kergoth | Laze: thanks |
| 17:08.58 | Laze | So anybody got any good ideas how i go about making it compile with 2.95 - can't seem to find the right rpm and don't want to mess up my freshly installed Linux box? |
| 17:09.07 | mithro | kergoth: btw whats the best way about putting my compat building stuff into the buildroot ? |
| 17:09.25 | mithro | Laze: you know you want to mess it up :) |
| 17:09.40 | mithro | what better time then now where there is no information you need |
| 17:10.29 | Laze | mithro: your right about that - the really pain is that i compiles ok for arm - i have read almost the entire ZaurusZone and Zaurus.com forum.. No luck! |
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| 17:27.23 | mithro | hrm this is a bit weird, if i do two of the changesize's straight after one another it works... |
| 17:28.51 | mithro | well kinda... |
| 17:31.30 | mithro | where does qdebug goto? |
| 17:32.14 | mickeyl | stdout |
| 17:33.42 | mithro | so close yet to far... |
| 17:34.43 | mithro | so this line |
| 17:34.44 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.52 | mithro | should output something to the stdout? |
| 17:35.31 | mickeyl | if it gets executed, I would think so, yeah |
| 17:36.03 | kergoth | are qDebugs outputted if it was a 'release' CONFIG buidl? |
| 17:36.04 | kergoth | build |
| 17:36.27 | kergoth | mithro: if you're running opie via the startup script, just start syslog and check it |
| 17:36.55 | mickeyl | never noticed _any_ change by using the release config as opposed to the debug config btw. |
| 17:36.55 | mithro | nothing there... |
| 17:37.02 | mickeyl | except -g maybe |
| 17:37.17 | mickeyl | mithro: you did start opie via /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe ? |
| 17:37.26 | mithro | bah i know why :) |
| 17:37.33 | mithro | editing ./sources/opie |
| 17:37.44 | mithro | stuff in ./build/opie doesn't get automagically updated... |
| 17:39.47 | kergoth | mickeyl: ah |
| 17:40.06 | mithro | i was wondering why things where compiling so fast :) |
| 17:40.16 | mithro | and without errors |
| 17:40.21 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:40.34 | cyn | heh |
| 17:41.09 | mickeyl | is there _any_ good gps software out there for linux? seems not to be... crap crap crap wherever you look |
| 17:41.51 | kenb | yea |
| 17:41.53 | kenb | gpsdrive |
| 17:42.38 | mickeyl | ok - trying that now |
| 17:42.55 | mithro | bah i might have gotten it working by now if i had figured out that problem above :) |
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| 17:46.52 | mithro | well i caused a segfault this time :) |
| 17:47.10 | mithro | Jan 1 00:24:28 openzaurus user.notice root: reading /dev/fb0: Bad file descriptor |
| 17:47.10 | mithro | Jan 1 00:24:28 openzaurus user.notice root: Error reading fixed information |
| 17:54.08 | Solar[X] | Heh, Wine needs to get ported to Z so we can run TomTom. |
| 17:54.57 | kergoth | hrm |
| 17:54.57 | Solar[X] | Though it would have to emulate x86 AND Windows. |
| 17:56.31 | Solar[X] | The package manager? |
| 17:57.18 | kergoth | ~/oe/oe$ rpm --rcfile=/home/kergoth/oe/oe/tmp/test/srpm-1.0-r0/rpmrc -bp /home/kergoth/oe/oe/tmp/test/srpm-1.0-r0/rpm/SPECS/kernel.spec |
| 17:57.21 | kergoth | Executing(%prep): %{___build_cmd} /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.17219 |
| 17:57.24 | kergoth | error: Exec of /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.17219 failed (%prep): No such file or directory |
| 17:57.26 | kergoth | error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.17219 (%prep) |
| 17:57.40 | kergoth | how the hell do i determine why that failed? |
| 17:57.48 | kergoth | nothing obvious in the rpm-tmp script |
| 17:57.51 | Solar[X] | Heh |
| 17:57.57 | kergoth | and adding -vv to the rpm line does precisely nothing |
| 17:58.31 | Solar[X] | Yeah, that's part of RH's strategy to hide stuff from users... they figured it worked for Windows. |
| 17:58.39 | kergoth | hrm |
| 17:58.50 | kergoth | and the rpm-tmp script references rpm format variables |
| 17:58.54 | kergoth | so you cant just exec it |
| 17:58.59 | kergoth | grr! |
| 17:59.57 | Solar[X] | Hm... I remember the times when a package manager would just copy files to a certain dir. |
| 18:01.07 | kergoth | woo, there we go |
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| 18:02.03 | kergoth | did a quick oeclass to take an src.rpm and build it |
| 18:02.11 | kergoth | as a transition step for people moving to the new system |
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| 18:05.37 | Solar[X] | Eh... thanks... I guess. |
| 18:05.39 | Solar[X] | ;) |
| 18:05.54 | kergoth | well maybe *you* dont need it, but *i* do :) |
| 18:06.09 | Solar[X] | I might need it without even knowing it :P |
| 18:06.45 | kergoth | never know :) |
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| 18:10.38 | kergoth | damnit |
| 18:10.47 | kergoth | i hate it when i do s/this/that/ after a typo when i'm talking to someone who isnt a geek |
| 18:10.51 | kergoth | and they're like wtf? |
| 18:12.18 | Solar[X] | It doesn't make sense anyway, without using the executable. |
| 18:12.27 | cyn_ | and you're like "I'm only saying this once. s\/this\/that\/ is replacement, got it?" |
| 18:12.47 | Solar[X] | It's not like anyone has a sed plugin in his client. |
| 18:12.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:12.56 | kergoth | Solar[X]: the sed parser is in the mind, not the client |
| 18:13.04 | cyn_ | yeah thin client |
| 18:13.17 | cyn_ | its clearer than being like "errr that" |
| 18:13.31 | cyn_ | 'that what' "nevermind!" |
| 18:13.54 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:14.18 | Solar[X] | Alternatively I use -char or +char to add/remove characters, and expr1 = expr2 to replace words. |
| 18:14.19 | Solar[X] | :) |
| 18:14.44 | cyn_ | I just make 'em learn it |
| 18:14.57 | Solar[X] | Heh... RTFM! |
| 18:15.21 | cyn_ | 'whats RTFM?' "google for it damnit" |
| 18:15.23 | kergoth | cyn_: same here, though they get confused if you use groups or escaping. teaching regex isnt easy :) |
| 18:15.35 | cyn_ | no I don't subject them to regex's |
| 18:15.39 | cyn_ | only irc gets regex's |
| 18:15.44 | kergoth | thats easier |
| 18:15.46 | cyn_ | like, full on |
| 18:16.02 | kergoth | s/.*/nevermind/ |
| 18:16.05 | kergoth | eheh |
| 18:16.10 | cyn_ | ya |
| 18:16.10 | kergoth | i love regular expressions |
| 18:16.11 | Solar[X] | It would be nice if clients actually had a sed plugin. |
| 18:16.20 | cyn_ | that could get weird |
| 18:16.24 | kergoth | Solar[X]: thatd be kinda cool. watch people's statements changing on teh fly |
| 18:16.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:16.31 | cyn_ | well |
| 18:16.37 | cyn_ | you could run a script that looked for 'em and changed 'em |
| 18:16.40 | Solar[X] | MIght be something I'd make on a rainy day. |
| 18:16.42 | Solar[X] | :) |
| 18:16.44 | kergoth | yea |
| 18:16.44 | chouimat | kergoth: http://ulyx.homeunix.net:12000/cigarette.jpg |
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| 18:33.16 | mithro | kergoth: well i think i have it basically working |
| 18:33.55 | mithro | # qcop "QPE/System" "setCurrentMode(int,int,int)" 240 320 16 |
| 18:34.03 | mithro | sending that cause a screen res change |
| 18:34.18 | mithro | and the screen appears to refresh correctly... |
| 18:35.08 | mithro | just about to test with application running |
| 18:37.57 | mithro | hrm, applications don't like the change, however the launcher does... |
| 18:42.45 | mithro | also need to figure out calibration of the touch screen |
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| 18:46.36 | kergoth | mithro: hey |
| 18:46.56 | mithro | i've got alot of it working as i said above :) |
| 18:48.11 | kergoth | nice |
| 18:48.12 | mithro | any idea about the touchscren? |
| 18:48.31 | kergoth | well, only launcher can call out calibrate |
| 18:48.39 | kergoth | but launcher is also the qws server, so you're fine. just havfe it run it |
| 18:48.46 | kergoth | calibrate is a builtin in the launcher |
| 18:49.33 | mithro | is there anyway to stop having to calibrate? |
| 18:49.40 | kergoth | uh |
| 18:49.50 | kergoth | you'd have to store teh calibration data on a per resolution basis |
| 18:50.01 | kergoth | right now it just drops into /etc/pointercal |
| 18:50.04 | kergoth | no intermediate layer |
| 18:50.08 | mithro | ahh okay... |
| 18:50.28 | kergoth | we'd probably want calibrate methods in libopie |
| 18:50.39 | kergoth | to act as the intermediary between opie-calibrate and the mouse handler |
| 18:50.51 | kergoth | which would handle a cache of calibration data on a per rez basis |
| 18:51.17 | mithro | hrm getting currently running apps to resize correctly is being a bit of a challenge... |
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| 18:51.31 | bgelb | hello |
| 18:51.33 | bgelb | kergoth wassup |
| 18:51.59 | kergoth | mithro: need to find a qcop call/qpeapplication method that refreshes.. how does the setTransform stuff rotate the current app? |
| 18:52.10 | kergoth | s/rotate the/refresh the/ |
| 18:52.14 | mithro | well i can get it to rotate fine |
| 18:52.22 | kergoth | i know. |
| 18:52.24 | mithro | it won't however resize properly |
| 18:52.24 | kergoth | thats what i'm saying |
| 18:52.37 | kergoth | rotate has to be forcing the apps to redraw |
| 18:52.42 | kergoth | so obviously its doing something you arent |
| 18:52.47 | kergoth | so rtfc |
| 18:54.11 | mithro | yeah but what i'm saying if i manually resize then rotate the rotate doesn't fix the damanged caused by resize... |
| 18:55.04 | mithro | plus |
| 18:55.05 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.23 | mithro | the qws should already be posting an event to tell the applications to resize... |
| 18:55.36 | kergoth | mithro: so the apps arent handling a resize event properly? |
| 18:55.46 | kergoth | mithro: is there any code in launcher that specifically handles that event? |
| 18:56.02 | bgelb | err |
| 18:56.07 | TMM1 | kergoth whats nwe |
| 18:56.08 | TMM1 | new |
| 18:56.28 | kergoth | mithro: if so, we may want to move that code into qpeapplication proper |
| 18:56.59 | mithro | kergoth: i dunno, just about to check... |
| 18:58.28 | mithro | this is all the launcher does |
| 18:58.29 | mithro | void LauncherView::resizeEvent(QResizeEvent *e) |
| 18:58.29 | mithro | { |
| 18:58.29 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.31 | mithro | } |
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| 18:59.23 | kergoth | mithro: hmm, so the launcherview widget has to handle it explicitly? that strikes me as odd |
| 18:59.37 | kergoth | so its not by application, its by widget? |
| 18:59.39 | kergoth | bleh |
| 18:59.46 | mithro | ? |
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| 19:01.37 | kergoth | mithro: wondering if theres a way to deal with the situation without having to alter each fucking app |
| 19:01.39 | kergoth | mithro: :) |
| 19:01.58 | mithro | yeah it appears there might be... |
| 19:02.14 | mithro | looking at the transform code abit there is |
| 19:02.16 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.16 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.16 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.42 | kergoth | .. |
| 19:02.48 | kergoth | whats it do with the iterator? |
| 19:03.35 | kergoth | bingo |
| 19:03.37 | kergoth | mithro: found it |
| 19:03.38 | kergoth | void TaskBar::resizeEvent( QResizeEvent *e ) |
| 19:03.38 | kergoth | { |
| 19:03.38 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.40 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.43 | kergoth | } |
| 19:03.47 | kergoth | mithro: calcMaxWindowRect() has to get called |
| 19:03.52 | kergoth | mithro: i think :) |
| 19:05.04 | kergoth | mithro: before sandman added that, the rect change due to the rotate wouldnt work properly, so the arrangement of running apps was hosed |
| 19:05.11 | mithro | whats calcMaxWindowRect() do? |
| 19:05.24 | kergoth | calculates the size of the max window rect :) |
| 19:05.34 | mithro | :) |
| 19:05.52 | mithro | so where should we put that? |
| 19:06.03 | kergoth | not sure, lets see what its a method of |
| 19:06.06 | kergoth | what class |
| 19:06.54 | mithro | the iterator calls updateRegion on each widget |
| 19:07.12 | kergoth | apparently thats not enough, eh? |
| 19:08.01 | mithro | kergoth: i don't use that code |
| 19:08.23 | kergoth | mithro: oh. well try it :) |
| 19:08.25 | cyn_ | kergoth: had you said you were interested in that small silver kb I pasted earlier today |
| 19:08.34 | mithro | only i can't get the stupid code to compile |
| 19:09.03 | mithro | it doesn't like QETWidget |
| 19:09.41 | mithro | because it's defined in qapplication_qws.cpp |
| 19:09.53 | mithro | which doesn't have a header file which defines QETWidget |
| 19:10.38 | mithro | and without being cast to a QETWidget you can't access any of the methods you need to :( |
| 19:11.17 | mithro | any ideas? |
| 19:12.42 | mithro | hrm it can't be that, because in theory i should be able to call that after my changeres and it should fix everything... |
| 19:13.00 | mithro | the launcher == qws server? |
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| 19:19.02 | killefiz | treke|laptop: has anyone tried BT with your ipaq image? |
| 19:19.38 | treke|laptop | not that I know of |
| 19:19.44 | treke|laptop | I've been waiting to hear if it works |
| 19:19.56 | killefiz | does the kernel support it? |
| 19:20.06 | treke|laptop | yes |
| 19:20.16 | killefiz | i'll let you know if i can get it to talk to my phone |
| 19:20.18 | treke|laptop | if you install the modules |
| 19:21.22 | killefiz | we'll see - my main problem is that i don't have any networking equipment for the ipaq so i'll have to use usb |
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| 19:26.33 | kergoth | mithro: yeah the launcher is the qws server, no id ont have any ideas offhand |
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| 19:33.49 | mithro | well i'm off to bed |
| 19:33.54 | mithro | gnight all |
| 19:37.45 | kergoth | night |
| 19:38.45 | treke|la1top | kergoth: call cable company |
| 19:40.37 | mithro | kergoth: guess I've had quite a bit of success, you can now change screen res as long as no application is running apart from launcher |
| 19:40.50 | mithro | and it doesn't reconfigure the touchscreen yet either... |
| 19:40.54 | mithro | anyway i'm really of to bed now |
| 19:40.55 | mithro | gnight |
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| 19:52.17 | kergoth | treke|la1top: good idea |
| 19:56.31 | kergoth | hrm |
| 19:56.41 | kergoth | need to figure out how to select what .oe files to build when running oemake |
| 19:56.48 | kergoth | when i dont have a config interface yet :) |
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| 20:19.29 | yakito | someone to ask about a problem with updating on zaurus to 0.9.9 ? |
| 20:21.20 | yakito | try to start opie with '/etc/init.d/opie |
| 20:21.24 | yakito | > > start' |
| 20:21.24 | yakito | > > it says it is assuming the existing Documents directory is the one it |
| 20:21.24 | yakito | > > should use, then says it is starting opie, but immediately returns to |
| 20:21.24 | yakito | > > the prompt. |
| 20:25.04 | yakito | It seems that is related with arch.conf |
| 20:28.11 | cyn_ | kergoth: here's a friendly reminder: change magazine subscription addresses |
| 20:28.21 | cyn_ | I just got a discover magazine... cover. |
| 20:28.50 | cyn_ | I'm thinkin someone at the post office tore out the center coz they don't forward magazines, then forwarded the cover as a 'reminder' |
| 20:30.21 | kergoth | cyn_: hah, thanks |
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| 20:34.01 | bipolar | man... this QT stuff is pretty simple to start out on. |
| 20:34.06 | pb_ | kergoth: hey, are TI sending you to OLS? |
| 20:34.43 | kergoth | pb_: dont think so |
| 20:34.58 | pb_ | ah, shame. |
| 20:35.37 | kergoth | I'd like to go.. but need more time to get back on my feet before blowing the cash to send myself there :) |
| 20:36.46 | pb_ | kergoth: yeah, always a problem. |
| 20:46.33 | TheMasterMind1 | hello |
| 20:46.35 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new |
| 20:50.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:50.51 | kergoth | cia bk support works pretty well |
| 20:50.51 | kergoth | 15:53 < CIA> openembedded: repository=oe user=kergoth@zelda.tuxnami.org |
| 20:50.52 | kergoth | 15:53 < CIA> openembedded: ChangeSet@1.90 tags= TODO: Update TODO |
| 20:50.52 | kergoth | 15:53 < CIA> openembedded: * doc/TODO: Update TODO |
| 20:51.19 | pb_ | ah, that's cool. |
| 20:52.02 | TheMasterMind1 | tuxnami.org? |
| 20:52.08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: tux_mike's box |
| 20:52.11 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 20:52.16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i had to test email, but i cant send from behind ti's http proxy |
| 20:52.19 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:52.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the triggers are on the client, not the server.. bk disabled triggers on bkbits.net |
| 20:52.37 | kergoth | unfortunately |
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| 20:54.40 | Speedy2 | Yo |
| 20:55.15 | kergoth | ~/oz/gatekeeper/BitKeeper/triggers$ bk rm post-incoming |
| 20:55.17 | kergoth | Will not remove BitKeeper file SCCS/s.post-incoming |
| 20:55.17 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:55.21 | kergoth | Will not. |
| 20:55.22 | kergoth | bastard |
| 20:55.27 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 20:55.30 | Speedy2 | Hey kergoth |
| 20:55.39 | Speedy2 | How've you been? |
| 20:55.46 | Speedy2 | (Weather sux) |
| 20:56.30 | kergoth | not bad. still no cube, but ah well |
| 20:56.37 | kergoth | starting to get lost less |
| 20:56.40 | Speedy2 | Heh |
| 20:56.53 | Speedy2 | Richardson is pretty regular in layout |
| 20:57.02 | Speedy2 | Once you got the main roads it be cool |
| 20:58.38 | pb_ | hi Speedy2 |
| 20:59.13 | Speedy2 | Heya Phil! |
| 20:59.19 | Speedy2 | pb_: You remember the DNARD Shark? |
| 20:59.37 | Speedy2 | Did you ever get one of those? |
| 21:00.34 | pb_ | No, I never had a Shark. There are still several of them in use in the handhelds.org development cluster though :-) |
| 21:00.56 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 21:01.24 | Speedy2 | Did you ever get a Netwinder? |
| 21:01.27 | Speedy2 | Those are pretty cool too |
| 21:01.38 | pb_ | Yeah, my firewall at home is a Netwinder. |
| 21:01.44 | Speedy2 | Lucky :) |
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| 21:11.56 | kergoth | hi zecke_ |
| 21:17.35 | killefiz | treke|la1top: around? |
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| 21:19.49 | beattie | the webmin page is sloooooooow |
| 21:22.53 | kergoth | hm, have the digraph class behaving itself.. now to figure out how to pass the list of .oe files into oemake.. make it read the global oe config, and then read each oe, snatching up the DEPENDS field to populate the digraph.. |
| 21:23.31 | kergoth | then just have it spawn oebuild .. maybe add some generic event handling method, add a way of a .oe file to add a user supplied event handler for a given event type |
| 21:23.40 | Speedy2 | Ok, I'll get on it ASAP. |
| 21:23.43 | Speedy2 | Heh |
| 21:24.13 | TheMasterMind1 | hey kergoth |
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| 21:25.11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i read somewhere that doing c+thatotherkey on the 5x00 and then selecting CF UPDATE is a lot better. works more often and with more cf cards |
| 21:25.12 | kergoth | Speedy2: building buildsystems. fun! |
| 21:25.44 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Yeah, doesn't it suck that you have to build the tools that you build the thing you want? |
| 21:25.48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thats not supported on 5000d/5500 is it? afaik thats b500/c7x0/5600 |
| 21:25.58 | Speedy2 | err build the tools that you use to build the thing you want... |
| 21:26.08 | kergoth | Speedy2: indeed. thats better than using an existing crap tool to build the thing i want though :) |
| 21:26.36 | TheMasterMind1 | Well, to get it to work, First get the updated mknod from http://me.256k.net/zaurus/mknod.tar.gz and untar it. Put it in /mnt/cf/bin or /mnt/card/bin (or /mnt/ram/bin, I didnt try that). Make sure its linked back at /bin, removing the old mknod first. Then install fbvncserver, and reboot, tapping the upper left and lower right BEFORE you do anything else. Start the VNC server and enjoy! |
| 21:26.36 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf? |
| 21:26.39 | TheMasterMind1 | issue with busybox mknod? |
| 21:26.51 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Yeah. Problem is that almost all the tools are crap :| |
| 21:26.56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: no, apparently it works on the 5x00 too |
| 21:27.02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep, busybox mknod in 3.2 created devices with 0,0 major/minor |
| 21:27.04 | TheMasterMind1 | i forget the key combo though |
| 21:27.06 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hah |
| 21:27.40 | Speedy2 | kergoth: How long shoudl the Z last without a charge if it's just sitting? I left it for like two weeks OZ told me battery was at like 1% |
| 21:27.48 | Speedy2 | That doesn't sound right. |
| 21:28.06 | TheMasterMind1 | its not pefect |
| 21:28.12 | TheMasterMind1 | in fact, its quite crappy |
| 21:28.15 | kergoth | Speedy2: hmm, that definately doesnt sound right, but never really checked |
| 21:28.15 | TheMasterMind1 | battery meter |
| 21:28.38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: have you heard the claims that users say OZ is consuming more battery power than sharp? |
| 21:28.38 | Speedy2 | I have to get working probes for my other multimeter and set it to a 10A range |
| 21:28.51 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: really? i heard the opposite.. |
| 21:28.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm thinking we may be consuming cycles in the battery kernel task when it averages the values to reduce jitter |
| 21:29.02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: really? hmm |
| 21:29.05 | kergoth | should do tests |
| 21:29.07 | TheMasterMind1 | something about opie refreshing screen less |
| 21:29.12 | TheMasterMind1 | but that was a while ago |
| 21:29.14 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I already gave you some baseline power numbers |
| 21:29.16 | kergoth | that does ring a bell |
| 21:29.26 | TheMasterMind1 | i wouldn't be surprised if battery task is making it slower though |
| 21:29.30 | TheMasterMind1 | um, not slower |
| 21:29.30 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah, but what did i do with it? i have no idea. if you find it send it over again |
| 21:29.32 | TheMasterMind1 | you know what i mean |
| 21:29.34 | kergoth | Speedy2: :) |
| 21:29.37 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Ok, I have it |
| 21:30.02 | TheMasterMind1 | Hi all, |
| 21:30.03 | TheMasterMind1 | I have just flashed to OZ3.2 and am loving it already. |
| 21:30.03 | TheMasterMind1 | It's just far better than the Sharp ROM...replacing a lot of standard programs with far more superios ones..and opie is such a great environment! |
| 21:30.03 | TheMasterMind1 | One question that hope some of you can offer some advice on..what's the best way of getting my CF Pretec modem up and running? I can't find any comms apps in opie that can easily detect and fire up my modem like the one that came with the Sharp ROM. OZ3.2 simply detects my modem, gives me a /dev/modem output but I don't think there's any programs in it's base install (do correct me if I'm wrong!) that supports configuring a pp |
| 21:30.08 | TheMasterMind1 | and providing modem dialup connectivity? I have downloaded opie-network which at least allows me to configure a ppp connection like the Sharp ROM but I'm stuck at finding a frontend apps to perform the dialup connectivity to my ISP. Am researching into the traditional way of using Linux scripts ppp-on, ppp-off, ppp-dialer for my endeavour...am I in the right direction? |
| 21:30.24 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, best one i've seen so far |
| 21:30.32 | TheMasterMind1 | actually took time to type something in the answer box |
| 21:31.50 | Speedy2 | kergoth: In a few weeks I'll have better characteristics on the battery, I've come up with a scheme to re-work it to give results within 2% |
| 21:32.02 | Speedy2 | re-work it == battery reporting code |
| 21:32.04 | mickeyl | sweeet |
| 21:32.29 | Speedy2 | The battery percentage bar is dependant on more than the voltage, it's a function of 2 or 3 variables |
| 21:34.48 | treke|la1top | killefiz: ping |
| 21:35.07 | killefiz | treke|la1top: bt works |
| 21:35.14 | treke|la1top | very cool |
| 21:35.36 | killefiz | i haven't managed to do anything useful yet but it does see my phone and i can "ping" it. |
| 21:35.46 | treke|la1top | cool |
| 21:35.52 | treke|la1top | how much tweaking did it take? |
| 21:36.03 | kergoth | killefiz: nice |
| 21:36.25 | kergoth | hmm, at this rate i should have basic oemake functionality by the end of today |
| 21:36.31 | Speedy2 | Christ, lighting hit something 200 ft away |
| 21:36.42 | killefiz | the bluez-packages have init-scripts that do start-stop-daemon --start --exec which is not supported by the busybox start-stop |
| 21:36.44 | Speedy2 | err..lightning |
| 21:36.44 | kergoth | no config interface, but shit i can do a hackish config w/ LKC + python glue for now |
| 21:36.48 | cyn_ | kergoth: woo |
| 21:36.49 | pb_ | Speedy2: Yow! |
| 21:36.53 | mickeyl | sounds good kergoth |
| 21:37.04 | Speedy2 | pb_: Yeah, electricity has been down two times this week...that a first in like 5 years |
| 21:37.06 | cyn_ | python glue bonds like super glue holds like welding |
| 21:37.10 | killefiz | and then you need to do hciattach /dev/ttySB0 bcsp 230400 after loading the modules. Thats it. |
| 21:37.10 | cyn_ | hoo ah |
| 21:37.29 | treke|la1top | killefiz: email me a bug report and I'll fix it |
| 21:37.36 | kergoth | hrm |
| 21:37.46 | TheMasterMind1 | alright, all faqs approved |
| 21:37.56 | killefiz | wasn't there an opie-bluetooth app somewhere? I cannot find it |
| 21:37.59 | killefiz | treke|la1top: will do |
| 21:38.06 | treke|la1top | killefiz: I havent been building it |
| 21:38.16 | treke|la1top | you can grab it from the ipaq feeds probably |
| 21:38.46 | killefiz | treke|la1top: i'm checking if i can build it myself from my sipad buildroot |
| 21:39.39 | kergoth | i love hoow the new buildsystem can reflect explicit version dependencies on the build process as well as target packaging |
| 21:39.41 | kergoth | just smooth. |
| 21:40.30 | kergoth | hrm |
| 21:40.35 | kergoth | ibot: seen schurig |
| 21:40.36 | | schurig <~schurig@p5080B341.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 6h 17m 58s ago, saying: 'kergoth: will do this tomorrow'. |
| 21:40.49 | kergoth | need to clarify some variable names |
| 21:41.01 | kergoth | since we need 3 types of dependency |
| 21:41.24 | kergoth | build depends - host, build depends - target, target depends |
| 21:41.31 | kergoth | and i dont think we have that yet |
| 21:42.05 | kergoth | you know, build depends - host.. oemake could automatically build a x86 ipkg vs target ipkg without having two seperate ipkg .oe files. thatd be cool |
| 21:44.40 | Twiun | yo |
| 21:44.50 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 21:45.16 | Twiun | how goes it? |
| 21:45.29 | kergoth | not bad, hacking on oe |
| 21:45.44 | beattie | I'm sure I getting very annoying, but all I want to do is to figure out how to build and image so I can try to build a minimal image and a 2.4.19 kernel |
| 21:46.00 | kergoth | so whats the problem? |
| 21:46.05 | kergoth | enable it in buildroot and build it |
| 21:46.09 | beattie | bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q |
| 21:46.10 | beattie | cp def-configs/collie-opie .config; make oldconfig; make |
| 21:46.10 | beattie | cp def-configs/collie-opie_image output/.config; make image_oldconfig; make image |
| 21:46.10 | beattie | hash_table[pkg-hash] n_buckets=1423 n_elements=371 max_conflicts=3 n_conflicts=34 |
| 21:46.10 | beattie | hash_table[file-hash] n_buckets=1423 n_elements=582 max_conflicts=13 n_conflicts=89 |
| 21:46.10 | beattie | hash_table[obs-file-hash] n_buckets=1423 n_elements=0 max_conflicts=0 n_conflicts=0 |
| 21:46.12 | beattie | make[1]: *** [/home/beattie/zaurus/buildroot-oz/output/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/kernel-modules.control] Error 1 |
| 21:46.14 | beattie | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/beattie/zaurus/buildroot-oz/output' |
| 21:46.16 | kergoth | uh |
| 21:46.17 | beattie | make: *** [image] Error 2 |
| 21:46.24 | kergoth | collie-opie doesnt build 2.4.19 |
| 21:46.27 | kergoth | it builds 2.4.6 |
| 21:46.43 | beattie | right thatr waht I'm trying to start with |
| 21:46.49 | kergoth | well that tells me nothing |
| 21:46.59 | kergoth | you're pasting a cloen command, without the clone output |
| 21:47.05 | kergoth | its obvious you're trimming the messages |
| 21:47.24 | kergoth | you're trimming the wrong part. thats not the error |
| 21:47.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:47.28 | TheMasterMind1 | who wants to gimme a shell on a fast debian box so i can work on oe :) |
| 21:47.29 | beattie | right I posted the commands, th elast one failed |
| 21:47.36 | kergoth | what? |
| 21:47.44 | Twiun | kergoth: know anything much about the various linux bitmapped font formats? |
| 21:47.51 | Twiun | kergoth: bdf, psf, etc |
| 21:47.59 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: having fun with libfb eh |
| 21:48.09 | beattie | "make image" failed |
| 21:48.25 | cyn_ | yes but you didn't paste enough of why it failed |
| 21:48.28 | kergoth | Twiun: only one i know anything about is bdf, and that only because qt has a script to build a fontdir file from them.. it parses the header info. dont know anything else. sorry. |
| 21:48.32 | kergoth | cyn_: exactly. |
| 21:48.39 | kergoth | you're pasting the effect, not the cause. |
| 21:48.46 | cyn_ | you pasted plenty of why we expect you have a proper checkout of the buildroot |
| 21:48.50 | beattie | ake[1]: *** [/home/beattie/zaurus/buildroot-oz/output/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/kernel-modules.control] Error 1 |
| 21:48.50 | beattie | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/beattie/zaurus/buildroot-oz/output' |
| 21:48.50 | beattie | make: *** [image] Error 2 |
| 21:48.54 | kergoth | thats not the error |
| 21:48.56 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: painful actually... psf - used by libfb - only supports 8pixel widths |
| 21:48.56 | kergoth | FARTHER UP |
| 21:49.01 | kergoth | you're pasting the fucking effects, not the cause |
| 21:49.02 | cyn_ | that's telling you it errored |
| 21:49.03 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: useless for simpads |
| 21:49.20 | kergoth | thats lke saying 'hi, this errored' without telling me *what* errored |
| 21:49.25 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: bootsplash uses some fbfreetype thing to use freetype fonts on fb |
| 21:49.30 | beattie | pkg_depends.c:164: satisfying_pkg=0x809cac8 |
| 21:49.30 | beattie | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.30 | beattie | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.30 | beattie | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.31 | beattie | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.33 | beattie | pkg_depends.c:164: satisfying_pkg=0x809d6b8 |
| 21:49.35 | beattie | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for kernel-modules: |
| 21:49.37 | beattie | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.39 | beattie | This could mean that your package list is out of date or that the packages |
| 21:49.40 | beattie | mentioned above do not yet exist (try 'ipkg update'). To proceed in spite |
| 21:49.42 | beattie | of this problem try again with the '-force-depends' option. |
| 21:49.44 | *** kick/#openembedded [beattie!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (kergoth) |
| 21:49.47 | cyn_ | rgr |
| 21:49.48 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: hmmm - I was under the impression ttf would be too bulky? |
| 21:49.54 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 21:49.57 | TheMasterMind1 | ttf is cool |
| 21:50.04 | cyn_ | don't try to build buildroot without understanding how to paste an error |
| 21:50.11 | cyn_ | he needs to paste like 4 lines |
| 21:50.22 | kergoth | gee, do you think it might be the line that says ERROR:? |
| 21:50.24 | cyn_ | and from what I saw there he doesn't need to paste a damn thing, he needs to read it |
| 21:50.26 | kergoth | pretty tough |
| 21:50.37 | cyn_ | ERROR: COMPLETE EXPLANATION OF WHAT IS WRONG AND LIKELY FIX |
| 21:50.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:50.46 | cyn_ | 'well what do i do' |
| 21:50.50 | TheMasterMind1 | "fbtruetype" is a utility to render text using a truetype font to the framebuffer console. Download the latest version from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/stepan/bootsplash/rpm-sources/bootsplash/fbtruetype-0.2.tar.bz2 |
| 21:51.06 | cyn_ | mmmm sexy fonts on zaurus |
| 21:51.28 | *** join/#openembedded beattie (~beattie@dsl093-039-043.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 21:51.50 | beattie | ok so I'm no buildroot expert, I go some where else |
| 21:51.56 | kergoth | beattie: for future reference, when tehres a line that says ERROR:, that very well may be .. the error |
| 21:51.59 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:52.08 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: thanks, I'll check it out |
| 21:52.10 | TheMasterMind1 | i wonder where the "else" is |
| 21:52.19 | kergoth | good question |
| 21:53.21 | Speedy2 | Do TrueType fonts contain bitmapped renditions of the font at different sizes or is the font information completely scaleabl? |
| 21:53.23 | Speedy2 | scaleable... |
| 21:54.07 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: argh. links against freetype - I was hoping they'd embedded the code |
| 21:54.14 | Twiun | Speedy2: sometimes |
| 21:54.23 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: :\ |
| 21:54.25 | Twiun | Speedy2: but not all ttf fonts contain bitmapped data |
| 21:54.28 | cyn_ | kergoth: recommend oz entry with keywords "latest 3.3 3.4 c700 5600 c750 c760" that summarizes that all will come in time blah blah new job blah |
| 21:54.35 | Twiun | Speedy2: Vera, for instance, doesn't |
| 21:54.41 | cyn_ | kergoth: might save you a few mails |
| 21:54.42 | Speedy2 | I guess otherwise it would be a set of splines, mathematical models for each letter |
| 21:55.02 | *** join/#openembedded foorat (~beattie@dsl093-039-043.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 21:55.09 | Twiun | Speedy2: right, but rendering a set of such things is pretty hefty maths word |
| 21:55.12 | Twiun | s/word/work |
| 21:55.12 | TheMasterMind1 | cyn_: kinda like the one on there now? |
| 21:55.13 | Speedy2 | Right |
| 21:55.24 | Speedy2 | The BMP method is a lot easier to do :) |
| 21:55.26 | cyn_ | foorat: |
| 21:55.26 | cyn_ | <kergoth> beattie: for future reference, when tehres a line that says ERROR:, that very well may be .. the error |
| 21:55.33 | TheMasterMind1 | ppm > bmp |
| 21:55.39 | cyn_ | stupid paste |
| 21:55.49 | Twiun | Speedy2: and seeing as libfb is really only for booting, I'll go with a bitmapped one - just not sure which would be better |
| 21:55.54 | cyn_ | TheMasterMind1: no that's on the top of the front page, not the FAQ |
| 21:55.57 | mickeyl | but it's a pretty cool quote |
| 21:55.59 | mickeyl | :D |
| 21:56.01 | cyn_ | for some reason |
| 21:56.10 | Twiun | Speedy2: I like bdf because there's a nifty ttf2bdf util |
| 21:56.14 | cyn_ | mickeyl: no I was damning the fact that it inserted a CR |
| 21:56.15 | Speedy2 | bdf? |
| 21:56.21 | cyn_ | was supposed to be |
| 21:56.28 | cyn_ | foorat: <kergoth> beattie: for future reference, when tehres a line that says ERROR:, that very well may be .. the error |
| 21:56.32 | Twiun | Speedy2: but I can't find a simple example of loading bdfs |
| 21:56.35 | mickeyl | aha i see :) |
| 21:56.44 | Speedy2 | Twiun: bdf is another font format? |
| 21:56.52 | Twiun | Speedy2: erm... binary description font or something else... one sec |
| 21:57.22 | Speedy2 | BaDass Font? |
| 21:57.38 | kergoth | they really need to get me a cube |
| 21:57.47 | kergoth | I'm a human tim riker answering machine |
| 21:57.50 | Speedy2 | Where are you at the moment? |
| 21:57.59 | kergoth | "i'm sorry, tim's not in his cube right now, leave a message and he'll get back to you as soon as he can" |
| 21:58.04 | Twiun | Speedy2: Bitmap Distribution Format (BDF) |
| 21:58.08 | Speedy2 | Ok |
| 21:58.08 | cyn_ | kergoth: 'beep' |
| 21:58.12 | kergoth | cyn_: hehe |
| 21:58.19 | Twiun | Speedy2: and it gzips well |
| 21:58.20 | Speedy2 | So esentially it's a bitmap rendition of each letter for each size or something |
| 21:58.27 | Speedy2 | Twiun: You sure as hell would think so! :) |
| 21:58.31 | pb_ | kergoth: jeez, how many weeks have you been working there now? surely you must get a cube soon. |
| 21:58.37 | Twiun | Speedy2: one size per file |
| 21:58.47 | Twiun | Speedy2: vera 8pt is 5k gzipped |
| 21:58.49 | kergoth | pb_: 3 weeks now |
| 21:59.16 | Twiun | Speedy2: just need loading code for it |
| 21:59.38 | Speedy2 | Twiun: Shouldn't be too hard |
| 21:59.47 | Speedy2 | Sometimes brute force works better |
| 21:59.57 | Speedy2 | (i.e. rendering font per size as bitmaps) |
| 22:00.04 | Twiun | yeah, I've thought of using that - like the old games did |
| 22:00.17 | Twiun | but it's a real hassle to make it flexible |
| 22:00.19 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 22:00.33 | pb_ | Twiun: you can't link your program with freetype? |
| 22:00.35 | Twiun | we want to avoid forcing things like monospacing |
| 22:00.45 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 22:00.47 | Twiun | pb_: freetype may not be available at boot |
| 22:00.57 | Twiun | pb_: remember, think boot progress |
| 22:01.02 | Twiun | pb_: not standalone app |
| 22:01.08 | kergoth | Twiun: are you planning on integrating this into an init? |
| 22:01.13 | kergoth | Twiun: if not, do so :) |
| 22:01.21 | Twiun | kergoth: this is the whole point :) |
| 22:01.25 | kergoth | whew, just checkin |
| 22:01.26 | Speedy2 | Twiun: That's why serial port output for boot is great :) |
| 22:01.28 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:01.32 | Speedy2 | No fonts, no framebuffer, no nothing. |
| 22:01.34 | pb_ | well, freetype isn't all that big a library. you could make a policy decision that it has to go in /lib, not /usr/lib. or link it static, though that'd kind of suck. |
| 22:01.36 | Twiun | kergoth: that's why I'm removing all compile-time dependencies |
| 22:01.50 | Twiun | pb_: exactly. atm, libFB weighs 20kb |
| 22:02.02 | Speedy2 | Twiun: You could also look into VGA BIOSes...maybe steal some things from there |
| 22:02.03 | Twiun | kergoth: although it can load jpegs && pngs |
| 22:02.09 | kergoth | i was going to suggest evas, since its canvas nature makes things a breeze |
| 22:02.23 | Twiun | Speedy2: I did - font widths are limited again |
| 22:02.40 | Speedy2 | Twiun: But for just boottime stuff, what more do you need? |
| 22:02.51 | Twiun | Speedy2: think.... Bootmenu! |
| 22:02.58 | Speedy2 | What like a LILO thing? |
| 22:02.59 | Twiun | Speedy2: gfx bootmenu :) |
| 22:03.07 | TheMasterMind1 | oooooh |
| 22:03.09 | TheMasterMind1 | bootmenu |
| 22:03.10 | TheMasterMind1 | yum |
| 22:03.10 | Twiun | Speedy2: no, higher level |
| 22:03.18 | Speedy2 | Exapnd on that please. |
| 22:03.21 | Twiun | Speedy2: Opie/X/pgui |
| 22:03.22 | kergoth | Twiun: maybe look into how grub does its guiness? |
| 22:03.34 | kergoth | Twiun: uh, init is a bit more than a bootmenu :P |
| 22:03.37 | Speedy2 | Twiun: I'm not sure I understand why this is needed |
| 22:03.51 | mickeyl | hmm.... guiness.... guiness... isn't that a beer ? |
| 22:03.52 | mickeyl | :D |
| 22:03.54 | Twiun | Speedy2: have you seen the booting process lately? |
| 22:04.02 | TheMasterMind1 | Speedy2: because its cool. |
| 22:04.08 | TheMasterMind1 | no more reason needed |
| 22:04.09 | kergoth | Speedy2: we needed a per-vt bootup menu to select the gui, and we want a less user unfriendly bootup |
| 22:04.26 | Twiun | kergoth: no, no... this doesn't replace init - these are just utility programs that operate on the fb |
| 22:04.44 | Twiun | kergoth: just add eg "fbprogress 50%" to a boot script |
| 22:04.50 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Not sure I follow...just OpenZ just show you the logo, do some stuff and then jump into OPIE? |
| 22:04.58 | kergoth | Twiun: that was the intent whether you make init itself gui or not |
| 22:04.59 | Speedy2 | just == doesn't OpenZ... |
| 22:05.05 | kergoth | Twiun: consider it to be the arbiter |
| 22:05.08 | kergoth | Twiun: the 'server' |
| 22:05.09 | Twiun | Speedy2: and what about those that use X under OZ? |
| 22:05.10 | TheMasterMind1 | Speedy2: people use stuff other than opie |
| 22:05.15 | Twiun | kergoth: right |
| 22:05.19 | TheMasterMind1 | Speedy2: gpe, x, picogui |
| 22:05.20 | kergoth | Twiun: remember, need based inits can run multiple scripts at once |
| 22:05.26 | kergoth | Twiun: without an arbiter, things get unpleasant |
| 22:05.41 | Twiun | kergoth: it wouldn't be hard to make a server program |
| 22:05.51 | Twiun | kergoth: I'm just making the utility code and lib atm |
| 22:05.56 | kergoth | Twiun: good |
| 22:05.57 | Speedy2 | Frankly you should just dump all of this and on the screen show a bunch of blinking lights like we had on computers from the 1960s. |
| 22:05.58 | Twiun | kergoth: things like fonts are essential |
| 22:06.14 | TheMasterMind1 | ~lart Speedy2 |
| 22:06.22 | kergoth | Twiun: indeed |
| 22:06.25 | Twiun | Speedy2: lol. something else this is for is to remove having the OZ logo from the kernel |
| 22:06.39 | kergoth | yeah, boot logos in general dont belong in kernel space |
| 22:06.42 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: obviously you should turn on pixels by hand to make text |
| 22:06.43 | Speedy2 | Yeah...I bet that dude takes up a decent amount of space |
| 22:06.52 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: right - but quickly :) |
| 22:07.07 | kergoth | Speedy2: its a matter of policy, not size |
| 22:07.15 | kergoth | Speedy2: some things dont belong in kernel space. thats one of them |
| 22:07.18 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Yeah, I agree |
| 22:07.51 | TheMasterMind1 | if its not in the kernel though, it doesn't show until low level kernel stuff is done right |
| 22:08.02 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: yeah, but that's a fraction of the boot time |
| 22:08.03 | Speedy2 | Which is why the bootlogo should change into an awesome 1MByte movie and THAT should be in the kernel. |
| 22:08.04 | TheMasterMind1 | you have to get to the point where you can execute a program |
| 22:08.05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes, but kernel boot is a *small* piece of hte boot time |
| 22:08.09 | TheMasterMind1 | true |
| 22:08.22 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: hence why I'm trimming dependencies |
| 22:08.26 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:08.37 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: all it depends on at is libm and libdl |
| 22:08.42 | kergoth | Twiun: abstract a sane interface, make it support other output forms |
| 22:08.51 | kergoth | Twiun: ncurses? :) |
| 22:08.55 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 22:09.03 | mickeyl | yeah, lets render with libaa |
| 22:09.07 | kergoth | ascii.. depending on what libs are avail in the rootfs |
| 22:09.07 | mickeyl | libaa is pure fun |
| 22:09.11 | Twiun | kergoth: Ahhh... hmm... that's probably something the server would need to manage |
| 22:09.15 | kergoth | mickeyl: i want an ansi version of that :) |
| 22:09.17 | Twiun | kergoth: libFB is a framebuffer lib :) |
| 22:09.20 | mickeyl | :)) |
| 22:09.24 | kergoth | Twiun: i know |
| 22:09.29 | Twiun | hehe |
| 22:09.36 | Speedy2 | Ok, I gotta jet |
| 22:09.38 | Speedy2 | Later all |
| 22:09.39 | kergoth | Twiun: but drawing on the fb is but one possible means of displaying on a VT |
| 22:09.42 | Twiun | cya Speedy2 |
| 22:09.46 | Speedy2 | Adios all |
| 22:09.53 | Twiun | kergoth: absolutely... we coult have libtty :) |
| 22:10.00 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:10.05 | TheMasterMind1 | make Twiun's life even harder |
| 22:10.11 | kergoth | :D |
| 22:10.12 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:10.16 | Twiun | I'll stick to fb for now |
| 22:10.23 | Twiun | purdier |
| 22:10.24 | kergoth | here Twiun, you dont have enough to do, let me pile some more shit on top there |
| 22:10.29 | Twiun | kergoth: Hah! |
| 22:10.44 | Twiun | kergoth: just came back from an interview... might be _very_ busy soon ;) |
| 22:10.50 | kergoth | Twiun: good luck |
| 22:11.03 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: better hurry up and finish this then ;) |
| 22:11.11 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: HAhahahahahaha |
| 22:11.17 | Twiun | kergoth: thanks |
| 22:11.59 | Twiun | http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2136 |
| 22:12.12 | Twiun | ^^ not a chouimat link :) |
| 22:12.31 | kergoth | Twiun: see, thats a slick format. gotta love simplicity |
| 22:12.51 | Twiun | kergoth: no kidding... and here I was assuming it was binary |
| 22:13.00 | Twiun | kergoth: no wonder it comressses easily |
| 22:13.05 | Twiun | compresses |
| 22:13.07 | kergoth | i told you qt includes a script to build fontdir.. its a shell script |
| 22:13.09 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:13.19 | kergoth | s/build fontdir/build fontdir from bdf/ |
| 22:13.27 | Twiun | right |
| 22:13.40 | Twiun | now, I should be able to write a parser for this easily |
| 22:13.47 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 22:14.03 | Twiun | I wonder if bdf can handle 2 or more bit depths |
| 22:14.09 | Twiun | antialiased fb fonts! |
| 22:14.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:14.46 | kergoth | at that point you say fuck it and use freetype |
| 22:14.52 | kergoth | dlopen() is your friend |
| 22:14.57 | Twiun | nah, never - that'd be too easy |
| 22:15.07 | Twiun | dlopen is used all over libfb+utils :) |
| 22:15.16 | Twiun | that's how I use libjpeg and libpng# |
| 22:15.18 | mickeyl | freetype would be spiffy |
| 22:15.36 | Twiun | you code it then :) |
| 22:15.39 | kergoth | Twiun: thats good. that way things in the rootfs are optional. good move |
| 22:15.44 | mickeyl | hehe, i knew you would say that :) |
| 22:15.56 | TheMasterMind1 | whats is a "chouimat link" |
| 22:15.58 | mickeyl | nono, go ahead - you are doing a fine job. |
| 22:15.59 | Twiun | kergoth: mickeyl forced me :) |
| 22:16.08 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 22:16.14 | Twiun | kergoth: and I got to learn new things too... thanks pb_! |
| 22:16.40 | kergoth | yes, i *suggest* this.. dont mind the bat in my hand, really. its just for looks |
| 22:16.46 | mickeyl | lol |
| 22:17.00 | TheMasterMind1 | whats dlopen |
| 22:17.14 | Twiun | "man dlopen" is your friend |
| 22:17.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: lets you open a lib and resolve symbols to it on the fly. link when you want |
| 22:17.37 | Twiun | kergoth: actually, mickeyl is the cause of this font problem |
| 22:17.41 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa.. |
| 22:17.44 | TheMasterMind1 | thats freaky cool |
| 22:17.44 | kergoth | Twiun: hows that? |
| 22:17.51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: how do you think the plugins in opie work? |
| 22:17.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: QLibrary -> dlopen() |
| 22:18.02 | Twiun | kergoth: his damn simpad has too much screen realestate to use piddly 8pt fonts |
| 22:18.03 | TheMasterMind1 | opie has plugins? |
| 22:18.05 | TheMasterMind1 | =) |
| 22:18.10 | kergoth | Twiun: hah |
| 22:18.19 | kergoth | Twiun: didnt think about that |
| 22:18.37 | kergoth | Twiun: so.. |
| 22:18.43 | Twiun | kergoth: things are going to get interesting if he wants a fullscreen pingi |
| 22:18.46 | kergoth | Twiun: is your fb displayer themable? |
| 22:18.47 | Twiun | kergoth: 800x600 |
| 22:18.49 | kergoth | Twiun: :D |
| 22:19.08 | TheMasterMind1 | vector graphics! |
| 22:19.10 | TheMasterMind1 | svg! |
| 22:19.14 | Twiun | kergoth: the image displayer is pretty dumb... displays the image from 0,0 on the fb |
| 22:19.14 | kergoth | yeah, svg rocks |
| 22:19.35 | Twiun | kergoth: what libFB needs is a good bitblt routine |
| 22:19.42 | Twiun | kergoth: I don't know enough to code one |
| 22:19.46 | kergoth | Twiun: use warmi's lib |
| 22:19.48 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:19.57 | kergoth | arm asm baby |
| 22:20.02 | Twiun | but will that work on the simpad? |
| 22:20.02 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:20.06 | TheMasterMind1 | go compatibility! |
| 22:20.10 | kergoth | Twiun: is simpad arm? |
| 22:20.14 | Twiun | kergoth: no idea |
| 22:20.16 | Twiun | mickeyl: ? |
| 22:20.18 | kergoth | Twiun: besides, it falls back to C versions |
| 22:20.31 | mickeyl | armv4l |
| 22:20.31 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh, impressive |
| 22:20.32 | Twiun | kergoth: cool, I'll, *ahem* borrow his code |
| 22:20.32 | kergoth | Twiun: only uses the asm when building for arm |
| 22:20.40 | kergoth | Twiun: its gpl, have fun |
| 22:20.42 | mickeyl | our beloved sa1110 with a ucb1x00 |
| 22:20.48 | mickeyl | and a mq200 graphics adapter |
| 22:20.50 | kergoth | Twiun: it is c++ though. are you working in c? |
| 22:21.03 | kergoth | mickeyl: nice well known chips |
| 22:21.05 | kergoth | mickeyl: thats cool |
| 22:21.14 | Twiun | kergoth: yeah, c all the way |
| 22:21.25 | Twiun | kergoth: I can cut'n'paste |
| 22:21.27 | kergoth | Twiun: cool cool, just swipe it then. was gonna say just statically link his lib. |
| 22:21.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:21.31 | TheMasterMind1 | (c)++ |
| 22:21.37 | mickeyl | kergoth: our kernel folks already have some accellerated fb in 2.5.x... can't wait until then :) |
| 22:21.48 | Twiun | mickeyl: they're a bit quick |
| 22:21.55 | kergoth | mickeyl: no fair, i'm stuck with a ati imageon on the c700 and ati wont release any fscking specs |
| 22:21.58 | Twiun | mickeyl: have they hacked in alpha support? |
| 22:21.58 | kergoth | mickeyl: :) |
| 22:22.19 | mickeyl | kergoth: yeah ati behaves strange sometimes... |
| 22:22.21 | Twiun | mickeyl: libFB supports it if the fb does |
| 22:22.30 | mickeyl | Twiun: i seriously doubt that :) |
| 22:22.47 | Twiun | mickeyl: bah! how can we make use of the nifty png stuff then? |
| 22:22.48 | mickeyl | Twiun: but of course i will request ... err... suggest that feature :) |
| 22:22.51 | kergoth | Twiun: does libFB handle vt switching? |
| 22:23.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:23.16 | Twiun | kergoth: yeah, although it gets a leetle confused when run from opie-console or ssh |
| 22:23.22 | mickeyl | that is naughty .) |
| 22:23.39 | Twiun | kergoth: if it breaks, I'll fix it :) |
| 22:23.41 | mickeyl | c'ya tomorrow |
| 22:23.44 | mickeyl | n8 |
| 22:23.44 | Twiun | cya |
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| 22:25.15 | Twiun | I'd best be off - need my sleep :) |
| 22:25.19 | Twiun | g'night guys |
| 22:25.19 | kergoth | night |
| 22:25.54 | TheMasterMind1 | I am pleased to announce the first public release of 'wiggle'. |
| 22:25.54 | TheMasterMind1 | Wiggle is a program for applying patches that 'patch' cannot apply due to conflicting changes in the original. |
| 22:25.55 | TheMasterMind1 | Wiggle will always apply all changes in the patch to the original. If it cannot find a way to cleanly apply a patch, it inserts it in the original in a manner similar to 'merge', and report an unresolvable conflict. Such a conflict will look like: |
| 22:27.26 | kergoth | so its like cvs's merge, only split out for working with patches |
| 22:27.32 | kergoth | thats kinda cool |
| 22:27.37 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:27.44 | TheMasterMind1 | kernel traffic is fun to read |
| 22:27.44 | kergoth | that + patcher = godly |
| 22:27.54 | TheMasterMind1 | http://cgi.cse.unsw.edu.au/~neilb/source/wiggle/ |
| 22:30.23 | TheMasterMind1 | wonder what it would take to get intel to release their linux drivers for their centrino wifi stuff |
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| 22:44.57 | kergoth | woot! |
| 22:45.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: kernel traffic.. new linuxkernel conf version |
| 22:45.18 | TheMasterMind1 | again? |
| 22:45.28 | kergoth | it adds 'enable' |
| 22:45.29 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.32 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.35 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.40 | kergoth | you can force another config value from this config item |
| 22:45.48 | kergoth | i've been wanting that ever since we started using it :) |
| 22:45.50 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 22:45.59 | kergoth | so.. |
| 22:46.02 | kergoth | if you select gcc |
| 22:46.06 | kergoth | it could select binutils and glibc for you |
| 22:46.07 | kergoth | !! |
| 22:46.13 | kergoth | opposite dependency |
| 22:46.21 | TheMasterMind1 | oooh |
| 22:46.23 | kergoth | is that badass or what |
| 22:46.27 | TheMasterMind1 | indeed |
| 22:46.29 | TheMasterMind1 | how sweet |
| 22:46.38 | kergoth | so we can add things like a proper 'toolchain' config item |
| 22:46.42 | kergoth | that enables all the toolchain things |
| 22:46.43 | kergoth | etc |
| 22:47.28 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.31 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.34 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.37 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.40 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.50 | kergoth | hehe. abuse is easy because it can override what the user wanted in their .config |
| 22:47.57 | cyn_ | great |
| 22:48.09 | cyn_ | 3 months after my order from brando he finally sends the last part |
| 22:48.17 | cyn_ | and it's a battery charger instead of an ac adapter |
| 22:48.20 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:48.31 | cyn_ | the same charger I can get here for the same price |
| 22:48.42 | cyn_ | >:| |
| 22:49.02 | cyn_ | so the question is, do I care... this way I can charge both batteries |
| 22:49.31 | cyn_ | actually this is different than the one here |
| 22:49.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fyi |
| 22:49.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the 'enable' option.. |
| 22:49.53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it lets us move the default compiler flags into the config system |
| 22:49.58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: instead of in the toplevel rules.make |
| 22:50.08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: same for the output image generation default erase block sizes and the like |
| 22:50.11 | kergoth | :D |
| 22:50.19 | kergoth | moving shit out of makefile ugliness = good |
| 22:50.47 | kergoth | 'usergccver' becomes redundant as well |
| 22:51.01 | kergoth | now we can have a singel gccver string that selecting gcc 2 or 3 build sets to the right value |
| 22:51.15 | kergoth | I should email roman and thank him :) |
| 22:51.48 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa |
| 22:51.49 | TheMasterMind1 | dude |
| 22:51.55 | TheMasterMind1 | thats frigging awesome |
| 22:52.29 | kergoth | see the thing with using a 'string' config item, and 'default' was that if the user uses a collie defconfig, then selects corgi, it'll still use the collie compiler flags |
| 22:52.41 | kergoth | because those flags were in teh user's .config, which was always priority |
| 22:52.44 | kergoth | enable lets us override that |
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| 23:03.24 | noda | Moo! |
| 23:03.46 | kergoth | noda: congrats |
| 23:04.13 | noda | Fanks :) |
| 23:05.00 | TheMasterMind1 | if only ipkg could be as cool as linuxkernelconf |
| 23:06.01 | cyn_ | ah, checking email, I had referred to it as 'charger' and the final confirmation email had this product id - so, yeah that's really my fault for saying charger not ac adapter |
| 23:06.23 | cyn_ | it wasn't until after the order that i was calling it ac adapter heh |
| 23:06.36 | cyn_ | well i can charge both my batteries simult. now anyway |
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| 23:34.55 | masticator_ | wassup dudes. |
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