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| 01:36.39 | treke|laptop | f(k |
| 01:36.51 | treke|laptop | focus on qtopia works differently than qt3 |
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| 02:03.14 | mickeyl|tv | kergoth`bbl: ping |
| 02:08.06 | chouimat | piong |
| 02:27.42 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 02:32.30 | treke|ho2e | man I hate that |
| 02:32.54 | treke|ho2e | as soon as I shutdown down my laptop and head out, I come up with a solution for my problem |
| 02:35.13 | cleverdra | Nah, what I hate is shutting my laptop down, heading out, and not instantly coming up with a solution. Sometimes I have to actually take a *hammer* to my laptops before the muse opens her damned mouth. |
| 02:35.39 | cleverdra | I lose a lot of laptops that way. It helps to keep a dummy 'sacrificial laptop' on hand. |
| 02:36.18 | treke|ho2e | hehe |
| 02:37.41 | NeoTron | if I just had an AC right now |
| 02:37.43 | NeoTron | bleh |
| 02:38.03 | TheMasterMind1 | beh |
| 02:38.05 | treke|ho2e | hot? |
| 02:38.08 | NeoTron | very |
| 02:38.16 | NeoTron | like 85 or so |
| 02:38.27 | treke|ho2e | nice and cool down here :p |
| 02:38.47 | NeoTron | The problem with WA is that it gets hot here but houses in general lack AC |
| 02:48.22 | TheMasterMind1 | i need a devel machine.. |
| 02:48.23 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 02:48.28 | TheMasterMind1 | what happened to that opteron.. |
| 02:48.32 | TheMasterMind1 | does it have a toolchain? |
| 02:49.11 | treke|ho2e | it's gone |
| 02:49.18 | treke|ho2e | being replaced |
| 02:49.39 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 02:49.44 | treke|ho2e | in the mean time masticator was going to be getting an itanium |
| 02:50.47 | TheMasterMind1 | funstuff |
| 02:51.00 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to build myself a collie image |
| 02:51.19 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.ec-current.com/shop/goods/goods.asp?goods=A1530SHA00250 |
| 02:51.49 | treke|ho2e | TheMasterMind1: send the the configs you want to use and I can build one in a couple of hours |
| 02:52.23 | TheMasterMind1 | damn cheap c750 |
| 02:52.25 | TheMasterMind1 | $415 |
| 02:52.34 | TheMasterMind1 | gotta get someone in japan to send me one of those |
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| 02:59.44 | masticator | sup doods. |
| 03:03.11 | masticator | :) |
| 03:04.49 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
| 03:05.02 | TheMasterMind1 | <TheMasterMind1> what happened to that opteron.. |
| 03:05.02 | TheMasterMind1 | <TheMasterMind1> does it have a toolchain? |
| 03:05.02 | TheMasterMind1 | <treke|ho2e> it's gone |
| 03:05.02 | TheMasterMind1 | <treke|ho2e> being replaced |
| 03:05.03 | TheMasterMind1 | =D |
| 03:05.10 | TheMasterMind1 | when do you get that itanium? |
| 03:05.19 | masticator | a few days ago but I havent set it up yet |
| 03:05.23 | masticator | I've been sick for a wek |
| 03:05.31 | masticator | I have to box up the opteron and send it back |
| 03:05.45 | masticator | will set up the itanium on sunday |
| 03:06.17 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 03:07.57 | masticator | we will have another opteron in a month or two |
| 03:08.11 | masticator | we can "suffer" with the Itanaium 2 until then, lol |
| 03:12.59 | masticator | still more horsepower than Sharp Japan itself has |
| 03:13.22 | masticator | the zaurus factory itself is in teh dark ages |
| 03:13.26 | masticator | their pc's are ancient |
| 03:14.56 | cleverdra | If the hole-in-the-ground toilet works, why break it? |
| 03:15.19 | masticator | well, there is the minor issue of the smell |
| 03:24.32 | NeoTron | so damn hot |
| 03:24.33 | NeoTron | bleh |
| 03:24.44 | NeoTron | 85 downstairs, probably at least 5 degrees warmer here |
| 03:25.41 | Shdwdrgn | can anyone tell me if there's something like ldconfig under oz3.2? |
| 03:26.42 | Shdwdrgn | trying to get pico to work, found a copy of libncurses.so.4 on an old system (hoping it will work?) but my Z just still doesn;t want to run pico |
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| 03:27.32 | Shdwdrgn | heya mithro |
| 03:27.39 | Shdwdrgn | how's things down under? |
| 03:27.44 | mithro | hey Shdwdrgn |
| 03:27.46 | mithro | good |
| 03:27.50 | mithro | exams in a week |
| 03:27.56 | Shdwdrgn | yeah? |
| 03:28.03 | mithro | Shdwdrgn: yeah :( |
| 03:28.07 | Shdwdrgn | think you're ready? |
| 03:28.17 | mithro | definatley not |
| 03:28.21 | Shdwdrgn | uh-oh |
| 03:28.55 | mithro | o well i have one week to get ready :) |
| 03:29.04 | Shdwdrgn | hey I don't suppose you've tried getting pico to work under oz? |
| 03:29.20 | Shdwdrgn | yeah you should be studying instead of playing with your Z! :) |
| 03:30.08 | mithro | yeah i know :) |
| 03:30.25 | mithro | i've got this weekend to finish 3 assignments |
| 03:31.50 | Shdwdrgn | well good luck with it |
| 03:32.03 | mithro | Shdwdrgn: i use tinykate under OZ |
| 03:32.17 | Shdwdrgn | I've been working on projects like crazy, barely had time to look at my computers lately |
| 03:32.28 | Shdwdrgn | I need a CLI editor |
| 03:32.33 | Shdwdrgn | don't really like ee |
| 03:32.42 | mithro | ahh okay... |
| 03:32.42 | Shdwdrgn | would prefer getting pico or nano working |
| 03:35.01 | NeoTron | dammit why doesn't my nic work with this new rom |
| 03:35.10 | NeoTron | it's a fupping ne2000 clone darn it |
| 03:37.38 | NeoTron | yowza, got it to work after a cardctl reset.. |
| 03:38.02 | Shdwdrgn | glad we could help <grin> |
| 03:38.53 | NeoTron | every time I (re)insert the card I need to do a reset |
| 03:38.54 | NeoTron | wtf |
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| 03:55.38 | cleverdra | neo - oh, dear. |
| 03:56.00 | cleverdra | neo - why do you need to do a reset? |
| 03:58.24 | NeoTron | how the heck would I know? |
| 03:58.43 | NeoTron | well, actually, because the 3.10 rom is broken |
| 03:59.07 | cleverdra | neo - presumably you would see a 'YOU NEED TO RESET RIGHT NOW', or you would observe that only a reset causes a certain effect -- such as your nic working again. |
| 03:59.28 | NeoTron | uh, foo? |
| 03:59.35 | NeoTron | "cardctl reset" |
| 03:59.41 | NeoTron | not resetting the Zaurus... |
| 04:00.09 | NeoTron | anyhow, finishing a tvshow.. so amazingly hot up here |
| 04:01.03 | cleverdra | ah, mistranslation of 'do a reset', sorry. |
| 04:02.09 | cleverdra | neo - as much as that sucks (I'll take your word that it does), can you configure something to 'cardctl reset' every time the card is inserted? |
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| 04:11.16 | TheMasterMind1 | masticator: got any machines at the moment i can compile buildroot on? |
| 04:27.21 | mithro | should i be concerned about this |
| 04:27.23 | mithro | *** This version of GNU libc cannot be compiled by GCC 3.x. |
| 04:27.23 | mithro | *** GCC 3.x will generate a library that is binary incompatible to |
| 04:27.23 | mithro | *** older and future releases of GNU libc. |
| 04:27.23 | mithro | *** You should compile this GNU libc release by an older GCC version |
| 04:27.23 | mithro | *** or wait for the next GNU libc release. |
| 04:27.31 | treke|laptop | yes |
| 04:28.41 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:29.09 | mithro | so what should i use to build glibc for an OZ (gcc 3.2) compile? |
| 04:29.22 | treke|laptop | the other glibc |
| 04:29.40 | mithro | other glibc? |
| 04:29.43 | treke|laptop | yes |
| 04:29.55 | TheMasterMind1 | there are two in the buildroot |
| 04:29.58 | TheMasterMind1 | select the newer one |
| 04:30.04 | mithro | ahh :) |
| 04:30.07 | mithro | didn't see that |
| 04:30.57 | treke|laptop | man. I've got so many parenthesis on this line, its beginning to look like lisp |
| 04:31.39 | mithro | anyone know why the ScummVM in buildroot is only avalible using Pico-gui? i know you can compile one for opie easily... |
| 04:32.01 | treke|laptop | because no one has ever bother adding the sdl version |
| 04:32.35 | mithro | so how would one go about adding the sdl version? :) |
| 04:32.55 | mithro | as it's supported out of straight CVS if you set the correct QTOPIA varible |
| 04:32.58 | treke|laptop | read the docs in buildroot/docs |
| 04:33.06 | mithro | okay cool |
| 04:34.46 | mithro | why? |
| 04:35.10 | treke|laptop | because it's just plain sdl |
| 04:35.26 | mithro | it does special things with the keys |
| 04:35.26 | treke|laptop | not a qtopia renderer |
| 04:35.44 | mithro | ie maps the menu keys etc... i belive |
| 04:36.28 | treke|laptop | That should be target Zaurus |
| 04:36.35 | treke|laptop | not Qtopia. |
| 04:37.41 | mithro | ahh i suppose |
| 04:38.16 | treke|laptop | of course it's kind of a moot point since qt embedded and scumvm dont get along |
| 04:38.43 | mithro | don't get along? |
| 04:39.56 | mithro | i havn't had much problems running it on my Z |
| 04:40.40 | treke|laptop | Not sure if its thread related, but I have yet to get it to successfully create a QPE Application and widget without segfaulting |
| 04:41.19 | mithro | weird, i havn't had it segfault ever |
| 04:41.29 | treke|laptop | You are running the SDL version |
| 04:41.46 | mithro | o... |
| 04:41.50 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:41.52 | mithro | i understand now :) |
| 04:41.52 | TheMasterMind1 | having fun hmm |
| 04:42.06 | treke|laptop | maybe I should take a look at the sdl source and see if NeoTron did anything unusual |
| 04:42.16 | mithro | there is a ScummVM -> SDL or ScummVM -> QPE ? |
| 04:42.24 | treke|laptop | scummvm uses SDL |
| 04:42.53 | treke|laptop | I was trying to write a scummvm for QPE. Most of the code was written, and theoretically would have worked. :p |
| 04:43.21 | treke|laptop | TheMasterMind1: You bet tons of fun. Having an interesting night with QT's event handling :p |
| 04:44.10 | mithro | treke|laptop: what would be the advantages of doing that? |
| 04:44.23 | treke|laptop | mithro: Not depending on SDL |
| 04:44.31 | treke|laptop | mithro: easier to access the input methods |
| 04:48.47 | andersee | Somebody messing with oz.org? |
| 04:48.54 | andersee | http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/changelog/browse |
| 04:49.15 | treke|laptop | ibot, seen noda? |
| 04:49.16 | | noda <~noda@modemcable063.97-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 8h 25m 56s ago, saying: 'Moo!'. |
| 04:51.12 | treke|laptop | TheMasterMind1: its funny. all this work to recreate functionality that is in QT3 by default :p |
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| 07:11.09 | mithro | bah |
| 07:11.12 | mithro | /usr/local/arm/3.2/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.2.3/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: libkeyview.so.1.0.0: undefined versioned symbol name std::time_put_w@@GLIBCPP_3.2 |
| 07:11.12 | mithro | /usr/local/arm/3.2/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.2.3/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: failed to set dynamic section sizes: Bad value |
| 07:11.12 | mithro | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 07:11.13 | mithro | :( |
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| 13:45.26 | mithro | bipolar_ZzZzz: i'm guessing your not about... |
| 13:48.27 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:48.35 | ljp_laptop | yo |
| 13:52.59 | ljp_laptop | what up? |
| 14:03.52 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: nothing beside wworking on some kdevelop3 templates and pplugin |
| 14:09.17 | ljp_laptop | did you write the kdevelop qtopia template? |
| 14:13.59 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: no |
| 14:14.38 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: I''m writing the prc-tool one |
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| 14:19.56 | chouimat | arrrggggggg I'm out of coffee |
| 14:20.10 | ljp_laptop | ouch |
| 14:20.50 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: the grocery is open |
| 14:21.43 | chouimat | brb |
| 14:22.55 | ljp_laptop | dont bother that young cute chickie |
| 14:27.28 | mithro | does bk clone all the deleted stuff as well as the good stuff? |
| 14:31.10 | masticator | morning |
| 14:35.04 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: bothering who??? |
| 14:35.07 | chouimat | hi masticator |
| 14:36.11 | ljp_laptop | the cute chickie at the store.. oh. wait. you moved |
| 14:37.05 | chouimat | not yet |
| 14:37.23 | ljp_laptop | me either |
| 14:37.40 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: i move in 3 weeks |
| 14:42.10 | ljp_laptop | I move in 3 weeks also |
| 14:42.27 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: got you visa? |
| 14:42.33 | ljp_laptop | no |
| 14:42.56 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: I move back to my mother's house in 3 weeks :( |
| 14:43.49 | ljp_laptop | hmm, I am staying at my parents house till I move to brisbane |
| 14:44.04 | ljp_laptop | so, I feel your pain |
| 14:44.27 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: buut since my mother is working in switzerland I will have the house for myself |
| 14:46.33 | ljp_laptop | ahh, lucky you |
| 14:46.39 | chouimat | ok brb ... time to pet the cat and make some coffee if I want to be able to work today |
| 14:49.13 | ljp_laptop | work?! its a weekend! |
| 14:49.55 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: sold 4 vpn/firewall//dns combos ... I have about 3 hours of work on them for monday 8am |
| 14:50.34 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: possibilty of 25 others for the same customers :) |
| 14:51.33 | ljp_laptop | hmm, cool |
| 14:55.31 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: http://swlpc.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 15:46.31 | ljp_laptop | wow, string cheese incident is on the front page of the billboard web site |
| 16:09.56 | bipolar | mithro: what can I do for you? |
| 16:16.58 | mithro | bipolar: i'm having trouble building opie with gcc 3.2 |
| 16:17.18 | mithro | somebody suggested you :) |
| 16:18.38 | mithro | <mithro> it dies complaining about "undefined versioned symbol name std::time_put_w@@GLIBCPP_3.2" |
| 16:18.49 | mithro | <mithro> /usr/local/arm/3.2/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.2.3/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: failed to set dynamic section sizes: Bad value |
| 16:19.22 | mithro | i'm currently in the process of removing my old buildroot/toolchain and rebuilding them... (up to qt-x11 in buildroot) |
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| 16:21.42 | mithro | any ideas? |
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| 16:37.59 | zecke | carsten: hi carsten |
| 16:38.11 | zecke | carsten: you've to generate a Makefile from the .pro file |
| 16:38.13 | zecke | carsten: as usual |
| 16:39.15 | carsten | not yet |
| 16:39.21 | carsten | not yet tried |
| 16:39.52 | zecke | *heul* debian fscked up cups again |
| 16:51.53 | mickeyl | Sugar: what is 2500 NOK in EUR |
| 16:51.55 | Sugar | 2500 NOK is 317.01685 EUR |
| 16:57.16 | chouimat|away | NOK? |
| 16:59.10 | pb_ | NOK. |
| 16:59.22 | pb_ | (who's there?) |
| 16:59.45 | chouimat|away | pb_: ouch! that a very bad one |
| 17:16.23 | mickeyl | i may fly to norway next week |
| 17:16.31 | mickeyl | to attend a conference |
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| 17:17.31 | chouimat|away | mickeyl: ok ... I need to go out |
| 17:17.38 | zecke | mickeyl: go to TT office and kick some trolls |
| 17:18.03 | zoid | how's 2.4.19 development going? any closer to a release? |
| 17:18.13 | chouimat|away | zecke: :) |
| 17:18.29 | chouimat|away | zoid: maybe yes maybe not |
| 17:18.42 | zoid | heh, why maybe? |
| 17:19.55 | mickeyl | no |
| 17:20.10 | mickeyl | noone is working on 2.4.19 - so how can it progress? :D |
| 17:20.46 | zoid | oh, i thought someone was |
| 17:21.02 | mickeyl | would be nice, yeah, but currently noone has time for it |
| 17:21.09 | mickeyl | you volunteer ? |
| 17:21.20 | zoid | i wouldn't even know where to begin :/ |
| 17:21.50 | zoid | i struggled for a month on getting my system to cross compile for the z |
| 17:21.57 | zoid | and i still never got it to work right |
| 17:24.02 | chouimat|away | zecke: is the vr3 worth the 99usd ? |
| 17:24.29 | zecke | chouimat|away: I would say yes |
| 17:24.39 | chouimat|away | zecke: ok I will think about it |
| 17:24.54 | zecke | chouimat|away: the communinity starts to fade away though |
| 17:24.56 | chouimat|away | zecke: we need that in buildroot :) |
| 17:25.16 | zecke | chouimat|away: but pim apps are updatet to use sqlite |
| 17:25.45 | chouimat|away | zecke: I'm working on a gideon template for palm-os, vr3 and dreamcast |
| 17:26.54 | zecke | my fucking debian.... |
| 17:27.14 | chouimat|away | ok brb ... |
| 17:27.27 | chouimat|away | nah more bbl :) |
| 17:28.07 | mithro | whats vr3? |
| 17:30.25 | treke|ho2e | pda |
| 17:30.37 | mithro | link? |
| 17:30.46 | treke|ho2e | google |
| 17:31.52 | mithro | whats it run? |
| 17:32.13 | treke|ho2e | linux |
| 17:33.01 | mithro | i know that much, IE Qtopia based, X windows, etc.... |
| 17:33.08 | treke|ho2e | X |
| 17:34.45 | mithro | ahh okay... agendacomputing.com is down... |
| 17:35.23 | treke|ho2e | thats because they are out of business |
| 17:35.24 | fragglet | qtopia isnt X surely |
| 17:35.49 | treke|ho2e | fragglet: huh? |
| 17:36.10 | fragglet | i thought qtopia wasnt based on X.. |
| 17:36.14 | mithro | ahh okay |
| 17:36.22 | treke|ho2e | Qtopia is based on QT/embedded |
| 17:36.23 | mithro | fragglet: it isn't |
| 17:37.01 | mithro | i'm off to bed |
| 17:37.02 | mithro | gnight |
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| 17:43.33 | Avel`ien | Hello |
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| 17:57.46 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot |
| 17:57.46 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot die |
| 17:57.47 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 17:57.54 | TheMasterMind1 | mithro: here? |
| 17:58.03 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 18:24.19 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot botmail for mithro what happened to those gcc2 compat libs you were working on for the gcc3 rom. be nice if you could push some sort of package deal into bk |
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| 19:20.32 | masticator | wazzup. |
| 19:23.02 | carsten | not to much |
| 19:23.27 | treke|laptop | mornin masticator |
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| 19:50.58 | NeoTron | I must say I greatly dislike the "don't run evertyhing as user" change in the new ROM |
| 19:51.07 | NeoTron | a PDA doesn't need users, just let it be root dammit |
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| 19:56.59 | ljp_laptop_ | hmmpft |
| 19:57.40 | treke|ho2e | dont run everything as root has it's advantages. Tougher for a user to screw up |
| 19:58.17 | NeoTron | no |
| 19:58.19 | NeoTron | not really |
| 19:58.25 | NeoTron | it makes like most of my games not work pretty much |
| 19:58.30 | NeoTron | which annoys the hell out of me |
| 19:58.50 | NeoTron | think I'll make all the apps installed suid root |
| 19:58.53 | NeoTron | that'll solve it |
| 19:59.15 | treke|ho2e | probably not |
| 19:59.22 | treke|ho2e | ipkg will lose the permissions |
| 19:59.29 | NeoTron | post install script |
| 19:59.52 | treke|ho2e | give it a try. see if it works :p |
| 20:00.06 | NeoTron | then it doesn't even start |
| 20:00.37 | NeoTron | then it doesn't even start |
| 20:00.39 | NeoTron | oops |
| 20:00.43 | treke|ho2e | runn it from the command line, and see what the error is? |
| 20:00.47 | NeoTron | oh fuck doesn't it use LD_LIBRARY_PATH if suid or something? |
| 20:00.52 | treke|ho2e | nope |
| 20:00.53 | NeoTron | fuckdammit |
| 20:01.06 | treke|ho2e | suid root apps remove LD_LIBRARY_PATH from the environment |
| 20:01.08 | NeoTron | ok, I'll just not support those devices. screw them |
| 20:01.39 | treke|ho2e | why not just find out what breaks and fix it? |
| 20:01.56 | NeoTron | well, first of all a bunch of my games need to run as root |
| 20:02.00 | NeoTron | Interstellar Flames for example |
| 20:02.07 | treke|ho2e | why |
| 20:02.14 | NeoTron | /dev/rtc |
| 20:02.36 | treke|ho2e | check the documentation. There is a way to make your app run as root |
| 20:02.43 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 20:02.43 | pb_ | why d'you need LD_LIBRARY_PATH anyway? |
| 20:02.44 | NeoTron | suid |
| 20:02.46 | NeoTron | then it doesn't run |
| 20:02.52 | NeoTron | pb_: guess just once |
| 20:03.01 | pb_ | you're too lazy to use -rpath? |
| 20:03.02 | treke|ho2e | pb_: the path to the qtopia libraries |
| 20:03.18 | NeoTron | treke|ho2e: rather my own libraries. |
| 20:03.33 | treke|ho2e | ah. those two |
| 20:08.27 | Twiun | hi guys |
| 20:08.49 | treke|ho2e | mornin Twiun |
| 20:08.59 | treke|ho2e | er. night |
| 20:09.00 | treke|ho2e | I guess |
| 20:09.14 | Twiun | yeah, evening :) |
| 20:09.35 | NeoTron | of course, -rpath does work so I'll do that |
| 20:09.47 | NeoTron | that means that I actually don't need any wrapper scripts either.. |
| 20:10.21 | Twiun | NeoTron: go down fighting! force the buggers to flash to an old rom to use your games :) |
| 20:10.43 | NeoTron | I'll just bypass the non-root stuff |
| 20:11.05 | treke|ho2e | suid may or may not work |
| 20:12.05 | treke|ho2e | stock qt-embedded doesnt get along with suid apps, there's an explicit uid check, not sure if it has been removed on the new roms |
| 20:12.06 | NeoTron | It works |
| 20:12.21 | NeoTron | LD_LIBRARY_PATH didn't work, the rest does |
| 20:12.34 | NeoTron | there's a "run as root" option for an app |
| 20:12.39 | NeoTron | that might be suid. lemme check that |
| 20:13.25 | treke|ho2e | qt embedded does all kinds of stupid stuff that makes it a pain to run multiple apps as different users |
| 20:14.28 | NeoTron | frankly, all root all the time == best idea ever |
| 20:14.49 | treke|ho2e | until you start getting into things like writable root partions. then it becomes horrible :) |
| 20:19.03 | NeoTron | seems like -rpath and then "run as root" checked fixes it |
| 20:19.26 | treke|ho2e | good. Do you need to check run as root each time you want to run it? |
| 20:19.39 | NeoTron | I don't think so, not sure |
| 20:19.57 | treke|ho2e | double check. someone said you had to |
| 20:20.11 | NeoTron | nope |
| 20:20.20 | treke|ho2e | cool deal |
| 20:20.31 | NeoTron | the flag isn't checked if you go back into the options (not sure where it's saved) but it starts as root again |
| 20:20.37 | treke|ho2e | now you just need to figure out where it stores that info |
| 20:20.45 | NeoTron | lets try a reboot |
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| 20:29.27 | NeoTron | still root |
| 20:29.34 | NeoTron | so I wonder where the state is saved |
| 20:39.23 | Twiun | not in the .desktop file? |
| 20:42.58 | treke|ho2e | I'd guess someplace in ~/Settings or /home/root/Settings |
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| 20:44.22 | Twiun | ho hum |
| 20:44.24 | Twiun | FBlib:ioctl VT_GETMODE failed: Invalid argument |
| 20:44.24 | Twiun | Segmentation fault |
| 20:44.45 | Twiun | lol, methinks that example proggy doesn't check for null |
| 20:51.48 | chouimat | re |
| 20:52.10 | Twiun | hey chouimat |
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| 20:53.01 | chouimat | ~lart salechicks |
| 20:53.08 | chouimat | ~lart salechicks |
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| 20:58.24 | NeoTron | bleh, too warm to sit up here |
| 20:58.56 | chouimat | NeoTron: too warm to be outside |
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| 21:17.38 | Twiun | cool... got libfb to display a jpeg on the framebuffer |
| 21:27.10 | chouimat | Twiun: wow |
| 21:28.31 | Twiun | and using their test proggy, I get 51fps |
| 21:28.36 | Twiun | not too bad |
| 21:29.58 | Twiun | I'll have to continue this later, gf moaning again |
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| 22:59.04 | Twiun | re |
| 23:00.27 | Twiun | mickeyl|away: libFB works well |
| 23:01.03 | Twiun | weighs in at 16k stripped |
| 23:01.27 | Twiun | now, can we depend on things like libjpeg/png being available at first boot? |
| 23:01.34 | mickeyl | Twiun: 16k sounds good. |
| 23:01.41 | mickeyl | how 'bout font handling? |
| 23:01.51 | Twiun | uses .psf fonts very happily |
| 23:02.03 | Twiun | granted, I'll need to hack in rotation handling |
| 23:02.19 | Twiun | actually, .psf.gz fonts |
| 23:02.24 | Twiun | just like the console |
| 23:03.01 | Twiun | it's also got the standard drawing primitives, pixel, lines, rects, circles |
| 23:03.23 | Twiun | and transparency at 32bpp - although I think we could probably fake that at 16bpp |
| 23:03.56 | djr | nice |
| 23:04.34 | Twiun | so, I think I might use it as a base and add support for other things |
| 23:05.02 | mickeyl | Twiun: yeah. having a set of nice high-level abstractions (e.g. for calling from shell / init) would be spiffy |
| 23:05.28 | Twiun | mickeyl: would you have any ideas how I could do that? |
| 23:05.53 | Twiun | mickeyl: I'm not really sure how to go about it |
| 23:07.21 | Twiun | I first thought of some file that the fbprogress thing tracks for changes, but that seems untidy |
| 23:08.00 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen effy |
| 23:08.01 | | effy <effy@M058064.ppp.dion.ne.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 11d 9h 26m 28s ago, saying: 'j/p'. |
| 23:08.04 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen effy-kun |
| 23:08.04 | | effy-kun <~zic@a134079.ipgw.phs.yoyogi.mopera.ne.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 1d 14h 11m 31s ago, saying: 'I don't run OZ, but the default C700 ROM.'. |
| 23:08.07 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 23:08.09 | Twiun | is it possible to create a /tmp/xxx file that maps to the input stream of a program? |
| 23:08.12 | mickeyl | Twiun: well... it would be nice if we could call from init e.g. "setProgress 80" |
| 23:08.25 | mickeyl | so there should be a kind of server program running |
| 23:08.40 | Twiun | right, but how would the low-level communication occur? |
| 23:08.42 | mickeyl | and a client program which tells the server what to do |
| 23:08.51 | Twiun | I can understand the high-level abstraction |
| 23:08.54 | mickeyl | unix domain socket - pretty straight forward |
| 23:09.12 | Twiun | those are up before networking? |
| 23:09.14 | mickeyl | high-level abstraction as in "i use shell commands to tell it what to do" as opposed to "I'm doing all the stuff directly in the lib" |
| 23:09.32 | mickeyl | should be up _very_ early, yes |
| 23:09.46 | Twiun | in that case, I'll use that |
| 23:10.37 | pb_ | yeah, unix sockets don't need any explicit setup, though you may need /tmp or whatever to be mounted first. |
| 23:11.02 | Twiun | hrm, that may not necessarily be the case |
| 23:11.08 | mickeyl | Twiun: well... actually that design may be more complicated than needed. just having a client program which doesn what we want could be sufficient |
| 23:11.21 | mickeyl | e.g. framebufferControl 'progress' '80' |
| 23:11.22 | mickeyl | or so |
| 23:11.39 | Twiun | yeah, but once it returns, anyone's free to draw all over the fb |
| 23:12.04 | Twiun | unless we can guarantee that doesn't happen? |
| 23:12.17 | Twiun | hmmm... vt switch? |
| 23:14.17 | mickeyl | i wouldn't have a problem with non-exclusive fb access.no other programs would run during our init progress and maybe a boot menu? |
| 23:14.46 | Twiun | it's got a keyboard handler built in, although I haven't stress tested it :) |
| 23:15.06 | Twiun | so I can imagine a rudimentary bootmenu |
| 23:15.45 | Twiun | the mouse control is gpm based iirc though, so may ts may need more work |
| 23:16.43 | Twiun | hmmm... |
| 23:16.53 | Twiun | 1) splash pingi from a jpg/png |
| 23:17.13 | Twiun | 2) setprogress 0 100 |
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| 23:17.20 | Twiun | 3) setprogress x 100 |
| 23:17.45 | Twiun | hmmm, yeah, I'll do non-interactive to start with |
| 23:18.15 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:18.19 | TheMasterMind1 | what're you guys working on? |
| 23:18.27 | TheMasterMind1 | cool bootup gui thing? |
| 23:18.38 | Twiun | well, I wouldn't call it a gui :) |
| 23:18.43 | Twiun | just dumping to the fb |
| 23:18.49 | TheMasterMind1 | well, yea |
| 23:18.53 | Twiun | but better than just text |
| 23:18.57 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 23:18.59 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds awesome |
| 23:19.00 | Twiun | esp for that first boot experience |
| 23:19.06 | Twiun | and in user space |
| 23:19.11 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh, i really need a box to devel on |
| 23:19.21 | TheMasterMind1 | i was doing so well, almost done with a nice new image and feed |
| 23:19.23 | TheMasterMind1 | and the box goes down |
| 23:19.27 | Twiun | ack |
| 23:19.35 | TheMasterMind1 | fortunately i had pushed everything i fixed |
| 23:19.57 | Twiun | thankfully |
| 23:21.39 | TheMasterMind1 | i definitely need to work on that socks proxy solution for internet on Z via a windows machine |
| 23:21.45 | TheMasterMind1 | would make it a lot easier for a lot of newbies |
| 23:22.25 | TheMasterMind1 | it was pretty much working too.. i think i just need to find a good server implementation and compile it with mingw |
| 23:23.57 | treke|home | why bother |
| 23:24.53 | TheMasterMind1 | make it easier for windows users = make them happy |
| 23:25.01 | TheMasterMind1 | it'd be a huge advantage over the sharp rom |
| 23:25.41 | treke|home | just use ICS |
| 23:26.08 | TheMasterMind1 | its a pain to setup |
| 23:26.30 | treke|home | not particularly |
| 23:29.33 | TheMasterMind1 | well, i agree. but windows users for some reason cannot set it up |
| 23:30.05 | TheMasterMind1 | anyways, bbl |
| 23:30.13 | TheMasterMind1 | if anyone seen effy tell him to email me |
| 23:32.51 | Twiun | mickeyl: ok, I've made a todo on the oe.org wiki |
| 23:33.05 | mickeyl | Twiun: good. |
| 23:33.06 | Twiun | mickeyl: linked from the OZ todo |
| 23:36.48 | chouimat | ics? |
| 23:37.10 | Twiun | mickeyl: hmmm, looks like it supports page flipping, could so some reasonably smooth animation |
| 23:37.26 | mickeyl | wow - make that boot process an intro ? |
| 23:37.50 | Twiun | mickeyl: someone suggested hacking a in64k demo :) |
| 23:37.51 | mickeyl | a good old fashioned intro ... with sprites, scrolltexts, sinus bobbles and some cute mod music |
| 23:37.56 | mickeyl | :) |
| 23:38.14 | Twiun | the framebuffer's all yours :) |
| 23:38.32 | Twiun | I'm thinking of those distro installation screenshots |
| 23:38.42 | Twiun | we could simply enumerate all the goodies available |
| 23:38.49 | Twiun | simple slideshow |
| 23:38.59 | mickeyl | yeah - good idea. simply but effective. |
| 23:39.20 | Twiun | advertising ruleZ!! |
| 23:39.29 | Twiun | sorry, dunno what came over me there |
| 23:39.39 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 23:40.17 | mickeyl | like a minimal version of power point. one background image and a few lines of colored text will be sufficient |
| 23:40.22 | mickeyl | lol |
| 23:40.30 | Twiun | chouimat: splendid idea :) |
| 23:41.30 | chouimat | :) |
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| 23:43.30 | Twiun | hey beattie |
| 23:43.45 | beattie | Twiun: hey there |
| 23:45.02 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh thatd be cool |
| 23:45.07 | TheMasterMind1 | slideshow on first boot |
| 23:45.12 | TheMasterMind1 | like windows does when you install it |
| 23:45.13 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 23:48.46 | chouimat|away | brb I need to go buy some food for tonight |
| 23:49.20 | beattie | chouimat|away: just to night, you won't be eating afther that? |
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| 23:50.19 | chouimat|away | beattie: I prefer go to tthe grocery everyday so that way I don't have left over and I can decide what to eat later |
| 23:50.27 | beattie | so Twiun what's up, I finally got my RV put back together so I hope to start coding some stuff for the mmc driver |
| 23:50.36 | Twiun | beattie: cool :) |
| 23:51.10 | Twiun | beattie: I've finally tracked down something useful - going to make a user space splashscreen/progress indicator combo for the framebuffer |
| 23:51.18 | beattie | of course not being able to get the serial console working I'm not sure hoe I'm going to debug it |
| 23:51.48 | beattie | Twiun: a java thingie? |
| 23:51.59 | Twiun | beattie: nah, straight C |
| 23:52.28 | beattie | generic tool or some specific application? |
| 23:52.39 | Twiun | just for booting up |
| 23:52.49 | Twiun | before Opie or X get graphical on us |
| 23:52.50 | beattie | oh, that would be nice |
| 23:53.12 | Twiun | something more snazzy than the boot text |
| 23:53.23 | Twiun | and with this, we avoid messing about in the kernel |
| 23:54.56 | beattie | messing in the kernel, one little mistake and you can bring the whole thing down, just like windows :) |
| 23:55.17 | beattie | makes life exciting :) |
| 23:55.23 | Twiun | absolutely |