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| 00:06.01 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: *** [/home/agupta/buildroot/output/ipks/libqte2_2.3.5-2g_arm.ipk] Error 1 |
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| 00:09.37 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 00:09.43 | TheMasterMind1 | whats with the 2_1:2 |
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| 02:34.30 | chouimat | hey Neo|Laptop |
| 02:34.55 | Neo|Laptop | hey |
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| 03:03.32 | treke|laptop | evening ljp_laptop |
| 03:03.54 | ljp_laptop | hi. just watched a movie on my laptop. am I leet, now? |
| 03:04.02 | treke|laptop | no |
| 03:04.06 | ljp_laptop | hmm. |
| 03:04.58 | chouimat | hey ljp_laptop |
| 03:05.31 | ljp_laptop | it was a good movie though |
| 03:05.48 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: debbies does brisbane? |
| 03:05.55 | ljp_laptop | heh |
| 03:05.56 | ljp_laptop | no |
| 03:06.09 | ljp_laptop | catch me if you can |
| 03:06.17 | chouimat | :) |
| 03:07.02 | treke|laptop | libopie is teh rock |
| 03:07.51 | ljp_laptop | is it? |
| 03:08.15 | ljp_laptop | I thought it was more like smashed potatoes |
| 03:08.49 | chouimat | ok it's official the new metallica video sucks |
| 03:09.05 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 03:09.18 | treke|laptop | oh? where can I get a copy |
| 03:09.32 | chouimat | treke|laptop: of the video? |
| 03:10.44 | ljp_laptop | google |
| 03:11.05 | chouimat | I have the st. anger video clip here in wmv |
| 03:11.10 | treke|laptop | ever mind |
| 03:21.30 | ljp_laptop | heh qtopia in qvfb just put my laptop into suspend |
| 03:22.47 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: ? |
| 03:23.09 | sonix` | lol. |
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| 03:24.06 | ljp_laptop | heh did it again |
| 03:24.21 | treke|laptop | man, I need to remember to plug this thing in |
| 03:25.04 | ljp_laptop | hahah |
| 03:25.42 | ljp_laptop | guess what the first hack on qtopia will be.. the light and power app has the suspend while on battery checkbox disabled. |
| 03:25.48 | treke|laptop | gege |
| 03:25.59 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: hehe |
| 03:29.09 | ljp_laptop | kde has an apm applet that lets me know before it runs out of juice |
| 03:29.38 | ljp_laptop | woot! I are a hackor! |
| 03:29.39 | treke|laptop | I dont have APM |
| 03:29.48 | ljp_laptop | no apm on laptop? |
| 03:29.50 | treke|laptop | nope |
| 03:29.57 | ljp_laptop | are you crazy? |
| 03:30.01 | treke|laptop | nope |
| 03:30.08 | ljp_laptop | yes |
| 03:30.13 | treke|laptop | just ACPI. Linux ACPI support sucks |
| 03:30.20 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 03:30.24 | ljp_laptop | what lappie? |
| 03:30.30 | treke|laptop | Compaq 1702 |
| 03:30.32 | treke|laptop | 1720 |
| 03:30.53 | treke|laptop | ACPI is the only hardware that doesnt work. |
| 03:30.54 | ljp_laptop | oh, I'm leet! I hackored the ui file! |
| 03:31.02 | ljp_laptop | yep. I know |
| 03:31.06 | treke|laptop | Linux sees the sound, the firewire, the usb, everything else |
| 03:31.22 | ljp_laptop | what kernel? |
| 03:31.28 | treke|laptop | 2.4.20 |
| 03:31.41 | treke|laptop | support is a bit better in 2.5 |
| 03:32.16 | ljp_laptop | I hope so |
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| 04:13.22 | chouimat | question: beside resubscriping is there a way to change my email addy in a mailing list? |
| 04:14.03 | ljp_laptop | depends on the mailing list |
| 04:14.43 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: ok I will unsubscribe and subscribe back with my new email |
| 04:16.01 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 04:21.28 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: made a version with my mother address and another email I have |
| 04:22.15 | chouimat | ok I think I will soon go to sleeep |
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| 06:00.36 | treke|laptop | hrmmm |
| 06:02.22 | treke|laptop | anyone know if there is a simple way to delete an XMLTree? |
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| 11:01.52 | icefox | Morning |
| 11:02.15 | schurig | moin |
| 11:02.17 | pb_ | hi icefox |
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| 11:47.53 | nobse | 'lo |
| 11:48.08 | mickeyl | hiho NeoTron |
| 11:48.10 | mickeyl | grr |
| 11:48.12 | mickeyl | tab expansion |
| 11:48.15 | mickeyl | hiho nobse |
| 11:48.19 | nobse | hi mickey |
| 11:48.26 | nobse | I fucking hate Sharp. |
| 11:48.39 | mickeyl | why this time? :D |
| 11:48.47 | nobse | It is not possible, to use the data files from ROM 2.38 with 3.10. |
| 11:48.56 | nobse | I reflash to OZ today in the evening. |
| 11:50.29 | mickeyl | yeah, that's pretty smart of 'em... changing the format without providing an upgrade path |
| 11:51.33 | nobse | But 2.4.18 really rocks... that was why I tried Sharp ROM again. |
| 11:53.29 | mickeyl | right. 2.4.18 is nice. which is why OZ 3.4 will be even nicer :)) |
| 11:53.53 | nobse | I just can't wait... I want it now :) |
| 11:55.04 | mickeyl | nobse: then please download it and help us fixing the few showstoppers |
| 11:55.47 | nobse | mickeyl: I tried the image from 25.5. at the weekend, looks fine so far. I'll reflash this image this evening. |
| 11:56.11 | nobse | Is there a newer image? |
| 11:56.48 | mickeyl | no idea. i put the wox stuff on hold in favour of the 0.9.9 feed from zecke |
| 11:56.56 | mickeyl | which is current |
| 11:58.33 | nobse | image from zecke is dated 25.5. |
| 11:58.47 | mickeyl | ok, might be he updated the feed but not the image |
| 11:59.13 | nobse | how's 2.4.19 going? is it possible to test it? |
| 11:59.30 | mickeyl | depends on what you mean with "testing" |
| 12:00.03 | mickeyl | touchscreen needs fixing, battery switch handling etc. please lookup the TODO @ openembedded.org |
| 12:00.03 | nobse | I just want to use it :) Battery lives _much_ longer with 2.4.18 from Sharp ROM compared to OZ 3.2 with kernel 2.4.6 |
| 12:00.15 | mickeyl | Twiun recently experimented with 2.4.19 |
| 12:00.17 | mickeyl | Twiun: ? |
| 12:00.22 | Twiun | yup |
| 12:00.29 | nobse | oh, ts still b0rked? |
| 12:00.43 | Twiun | no idea, I haven't tested that |
| 12:00.46 | mickeyl | well... noone worked on it - so... |
| 12:01.43 | Twiun | I seem to have problems with my buildroot providing 2.4.6 modules instead of .19 ones |
| 12:02.25 | Twiun | on a positive note, .19 doesn't have the same console keyboard issues that 2.4.6 did |
| 12:05.29 | nobse | grrr, forgot a meeting... bbl |
| 12:07.55 | Twiun | hrm. and modutils 2.4.6 get built, not 2.4.19 |
| 12:14.15 | schurig | Twiun: AFAIK the version numbers for modutils are different from the ones for the kernel |
| 12:17.38 | Twiun | schurig: oh, ok then. just need to get the right kernel modules built then |
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| 12:34.48 | Twiun | hmmm... are we compiling telnet support into busybox? |
| 12:39.21 | ljp_laptop | hmm, sounds like a bad idea to me, really |
| 12:44.28 | ljp_laptop | pretty soon /bin/ is going to be symlink to busybox |
| 12:47.31 | Twiun | I was asking because I thought I saw it being ipk'd |
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| 12:47.53 | Twiun | hmm, do we really need inetd? |
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| 12:52.55 | alessandra | what package contains libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3? |
| 12:54.50 | Twiun | for what architecture? |
| 12:54.55 | Twiun | ARM or x86? |
| 12:54.58 | alessandra | arm |
| 12:55.07 | alessandra | i am trying to install xmms |
| 12:55.09 | Twiun | try searching on ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 12:55.24 | alessandra | but when i run xmms i get this error: |
| 12:55.33 | alessandra | xmms: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:55.42 | alessandra | ipkgfind.handheld.org? |
| 12:56.01 | alessandra | i am installing a software from the feed and i have to manually look for a library? |
| 12:57.16 | Twiun | which feed is this? |
| 12:57.22 | ljp_laptop | where did you get that xmms package? |
| 12:57.25 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 12:57.30 | alessandra | Twiun: http://www.openzaurus.org/official/stable/feed/ |
| 12:57.32 | Twiun | ljp_laptop: great minds... |
| 12:57.37 | alessandra | ljp_laptop: http://www.openzaurus.org/official/stable/feed/ |
| 12:57.38 | ljp_laptop | hehehehe |
| 12:57.45 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 12:57.53 | alessandra | sorry the unstable |
| 12:58.11 | Twiun | I was about to say... no xmms in stable :) |
| 12:58.35 | alessandra | well also the dependency in general seem to have serious problem |
| 12:59.07 | Twiun | sounds like an issue with the xmms build |
| 13:00.58 | alessandra | to me it sounds a bit funny... a build is in the feed without been even tested once? |
| 13:01.10 | Twiun | why do you think it's in the unstable feed? |
| 13:01.21 | Twiun | it's labelled unstable for a reason |
| 13:01.34 | alessandra | well the testing one is the same |
| 13:01.48 | ljp_laptop | still, it _should_ work |
| 13:01.49 | alessandra | and anyway in debian usually the unstable packages are not that unstable |
| 13:02.09 | Twiun | ljp_laptop: right, but the point of unstable is to highlight the ones that don't |
| 13:02.19 | Twiun | ljp_laptop: so we can deal with them |
| 13:02.46 | alessandra | so i guess noone of u uses xmms? |
| 13:03.07 | Twiun | I haven't even got opie running on my Z atm - testing the 2.4.19 kernel stuff |
| 13:03.31 | alessandra | Twiun: what are the news about the kernel? |
| 13:03.51 | Twiun | ljp_laptop: I really need to get hold of noda - things would be much simpler if we had a page on oz.org which stated who maintained what |
| 13:03.59 | ljp_laptop | why would anyone want to use xmms when there's opieplayer2? ;) |
| 13:04.32 | Twiun | alessandra: 2.4.19 hasn't been touched for a while - there have been other priorities :/ and it's therefore not ready for primetime |
| 13:05.31 | alessandra | okie so what is working? |
| 13:06.33 | Twiun | in 2.4.19 or the current 2.4.6? |
| 13:06.41 | alessandra | 2.4.19 |
| 13:06.52 | alessandra | ljp_laptop: u mean opie-meidiaplayer2 right? |
| 13:07.28 | Twiun | well, it builds and boots - although I'm having issues with the modules |
| 13:07.35 | Twiun | (probably my buildroot though) |
| 13:08.09 | alessandra | just installed opieplayer2... i get this: |
| 13:08.11 | alessandra | root@openzaurus:/usr/lib> opieplayer2 |
| 13:08.11 | alessandra | opieplayer2: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:09.05 | alessandra | what is happening? |
| 13:09.28 | ljp_laptop | sounds like you got farked lib |
| 13:10.21 | alessandra | hmmm... sounds like the dependency trees are completely gone |
| 13:10.54 | alessandra | i don't want to complain but few months ago openzaurus was not that buggy... and it is not only about missing libraries |
| 13:12.12 | alessandra | everytime that i suspend/resume i have to manually mount my cf card |
| 13:12.57 | alessandra | and when i tried to write a bug report, it has been deleted saying that it would be eventually repaired on 2.4.19 (that doesn't even exists yet) |
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| 13:18.57 | Twiun | who deleted it? |
| 13:19.09 | alessandra | i believe kergoth |
| 13:19.24 | pb_ | always a mistake. |
| 13:19.27 | alessandra | and to tell u frankly i found it very annoying |
| 13:20.23 | tronical | hm, surprising to see a gcc2 based arm toolchain that comes with a shared libstdc++... |
| 13:20.48 | alessandra | tronical: ? |
| 13:20.58 | Twiun | last time I saw that was with that raycast demo... and the guy fixed it quickly |
| 13:21.28 | tronical | alessandra: what toolchain did you use to build xmms? |
| 13:21.40 | alessandra | tronical: i didn't build anything... |
| 13:21.47 | alessandra | tronical: i just download it from the feed |
| 13:21.56 | alessandra | tronical: both opieplayer and xmms same problem |
| 13:23.45 | absentiaS | re |
| 13:24.03 | absentiaS | what gets me about the sharp rom and the oz |
| 13:24.17 | absentiaS | is that the more I install stuff, the more stuff breaks without notification of why |
| 13:24.20 | tronical | ahhh, looks like the result of the cross gcc build cleanup |
| 13:24.29 | tronical | now every cross gcc is using include.mk, which has --enable-shared |
| 13:24.40 | absentiaS | it reminds me of the old macs at macos 7.... and stuff... or winderz dll wars. |
| 13:24.41 | tronical | (which is right for gcc 3.x, but not for 2.x) |
| 13:24.56 | absentiaS | has anyone managed to get tkc m,ahjong to work on an c700 |
| 13:24.58 | absentiaS | or exult |
| 13:25.01 | absentiaS | or xu4? |
| 13:26.10 | alessandra | tronical: so the solution is? |
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| 13:27.16 | tronical | alessandra: someone fixing the toolchain 2.x build (using --disable-shared for 2.x) and re-building the feed with the new toolchain |
| 13:27.41 | pb_ | why can't you use shared libstd++ with gcc 2? |
| 13:28.09 | alessandra | tronical: so basically it is impossible to use openzaurus until someone repairs it? |
| 13:28.17 | alessandra | tronical: why people do not test it ? |
| 13:28.54 | alessandra | actually from the mailing list it looks like i am not the only one |
| 13:29.10 | alessandra | "I've had similar problems with nearly every application. Openzaurus is |
| 13:29.10 | alessandra | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.13 | alessandra | i didn't write that |
| 13:29.20 | alessandra | and it was about the same error |
| 13:29.31 | absentiaS | wel |
| 13:29.40 | absentiaS | what's sad is that kergoth knows the arrows are rotated |
| 13:29.44 | absentiaS | but hasn't fixed that in over a month |
| 13:29.53 | absentiaS | and the latest image doesn't have keyboard or system time by default |
| 13:30.02 | absentiaS | ya, if you know what you're doing, it's trivial to install these things |
| 13:30.05 | absentiaS | but that doesn't help |
| 13:30.22 | absentiaS | last night I flashed to oz for the first time in a month because I was tired of so many things not working in sharp rom |
| 13:30.47 | Twiun | nevermind that kergoth has plenty to do already, has moved to a new job, moved states and hasn't got net access at home yet |
| 13:30.48 | absentiaS | so I noticed that now oz sees new apps installed... or something... but I use to be able to install things like task-ope-complete |
| 13:30.57 | absentiaS | now all the installer does is spit out can't meet dependencies |
| 13:31.00 | Twiun | please feel welcome to offload some of the work. |
| 13:31.06 | absentiaS | for just about anything I install, it says that it can't meet a dependency |
| 13:31.08 | cyn | absentiaS: what's sad about it |
| 13:31.15 | alessandra | Twiun: it is not abot being busy... if people are busy, they just leave it like that |
| 13:31.28 | absentiaS | so, I reflashed, but then many of the things that I wanted to install seemed to look like they were installed, but no icon was available, etc. |
| 13:31.29 | cyn | absentiaS: i didn't realize we were paying his salary, or helping him move |
| 13:31.33 | absentiaS | so I shitcanned oz again and went back to sharp |
| 13:31.38 | ljp_laptop | well, maybe kergoth hbusy moving to dallas |
| 13:31.40 | absentiaS | at least I can use the keyboard there |
| 13:31.41 | alessandra | Twiun: here people want to change without even testing even once |
| 13:31.44 | ljp_laptop | has been |
| 13:31.47 | cyn | ljp_laptop: yes i would say so |
| 13:31.53 | absentiaS | no excuses |
| 13:31.56 | cyn | haha |
| 13:31.59 | absentiaS | he knew about it for at least 2 weeks before he moved. |
| 13:32.02 | ljp_laptop | I seem to be able to use oz just finely |
| 13:32.11 | ljp_laptop | so |
| 13:32.12 | cyn | absentiaS I knew you were annoying, but you're just a bitch |
| 13:32.14 | absentiaS | but, like you said |
| 13:32.18 | absentiaS | we're not paying his salary, etc. |
| 13:32.22 | absentiaS | so, I don't expect anything |
| 13:32.25 | cyn | it's an amazingly little thing to do a full rebuild for |
| 13:32.31 | ljp_laptop | you think oz is his job? he works on what he likes, as do all of us |
| 13:32.37 | absentiaS | but when people have a suggestion or complaint, you can't dodge it by clamiing some stupid kiddie excuse like that |
| 13:32.44 | cyn | hmm |
| 13:32.46 | ljp_laptop | sure we can |
| 13:32.48 | cyn | you sound like he doesn't plan to fix it |
| 13:32.52 | Twiun | cyn: esp when a full rebuild cat take upwards of 6 hours |
| 13:32.55 | absentiaS | cyn: I never said that |
| 13:32.58 | cyn | yes Twiun |
| 13:33.08 | cyn | absentiaS: no, but you're gunna make him decide that if you don't be less of a bitch |
| 13:33.09 | absentiaS | the point above was that oz is mostly unusable .. |
| 13:33.11 | absentiaS | I think it's unfriendly |
| 13:33.12 | Twiun | cyn: I dread the times when I have to do a make mrproper :/ |
| 13:33.14 | cyn | "kiddie excuse" |
| 13:33.18 | cyn | "no excuse" |
| 13:33.18 | absentiaS | maybe it will be friendlier one day.. |
| 13:33.19 | cyn | wtf |
| 13:33.21 | absentiaS | that would be great news |
| 13:33.21 | absentiaS | etc. |
| 13:33.31 | ljp_laptop | it works for me just fine |
| 13:33.35 | cyn | well I suppose if yer on sharp rom you don't need to hang here |
| 13:33.35 | absentiaS | cyn: I don't care |
| 13:33.40 | absentiaS | full debian is all I need. |
| 13:33.50 | cyn | thought you were on sharp rom |
| 13:33.51 | ljp_laptop | heh |
| 13:33.52 | Twiun | ljp_laptop: and the only reason why it doesn't for me is purely due to things I have done on purpose |
| 13:34.01 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 13:34.03 | absentiaS | to me, having pretty pictures but no keyboard.... or popups that are 0 height |
| 13:34.09 | absentiaS | or fonts that wrap past window borders |
| 13:34.11 | ljp_laptop | same here, but thats beside the point |
| 13:34.13 | absentiaS | isn't worth it. |
| 13:34.18 | alessandra | ljp_laptop: when was the last time that you upgraded? |
| 13:34.30 | ljp_laptop | I flash. I dont upgrade |
| 13:34.33 | cyn | absentiaS: so don't use it, but don't bitch when he has a major life change and his hobby isn't getting enough attention for you |
| 13:34.39 | Twiun | absentiaS: so, you're in a developer channel, moan about things not being implemented right - and don't offer to start coding? |
| 13:34.44 | absentiaS | cyn: you can boot between a base and the chroot os |
| 13:34.57 | Twiun | absentiaS: have a good moan in the user channel #openzaurus |
| 13:34.58 | alessandra | ljp_laptop: when was the last time you flashed? |
| 13:35.01 | absentiaS | you're right |
| 13:35.02 | cyn | absentiaS: congrats, glad it works good |
| 13:35.07 | absentiaS | lets have a shitty coder put more shitty code into something |
| 13:35.12 | absentiaS | gee, that's smart. |
| 13:35.20 | ljp_laptop | latest image, I suppose |
| 13:35.22 | Twiun | absentiaS: that's a good way to learn |
| 13:35.25 | absentiaS | I thought openzaurus was going away? |
| 13:35.26 | cyn | that's what inevitably happens anyway |
| 13:35.32 | Twiun | absentiaS: and bug fixing is infinitely easier than original coding |
| 13:35.37 | cyn | um? |
| 13:35.38 | absentiaS | tw: yes, but while I learn, I inflict my lack of experience on others. |
| 13:35.51 | cyn | it's a member of openembedded, it's not goin away |
| 13:35.53 | absentiaS | for instance |
| 13:35.56 | absentiaS | what is "help browser" |
| 13:35.56 | Twiun | absentiaS: any changes you make can always be reversed |
| 13:35.59 | cyn | absentiaS: that assumes you release |
| 13:36.03 | absentiaS | now matter how many help packages I install |
| 13:36.06 | cyn | and / or they accept |
| 13:36.07 | absentiaS | nothing ever comes up |
| 13:36.11 | Twiun | absentiaS: but non-existing work can't be magicked into existance |
| 13:36.14 | ljp_laptop | ummm, it shows help files |
| 13:36.23 | absentiaS | cyn: hahahah, you're right... so I should just keep my own cache of patches. |
| 13:36.27 | absentiaS | that's friendly. |
| 13:36.39 | ljp_laptop | well, then something is afrked on your system |
| 13:36.50 | Twiun | absentiaS: the lack of helpfiles is not an openzaurus issue, go moan to the opie guys.... who are incidently busy doing all the translation work atm |
| 13:36.51 | cyn | it's more friendly then coming here and calling the lead developers 'excuse' of fucking MOVING and getting a NEW JOB kiddie |
| 13:36.52 | absentiaS | ljp: install oz, install some *help_en* file or something |
| 13:36.54 | absentiaS | no help shows up |
| 13:37.08 | cyn | Twiun: he's complainin about a lack of a help browser |
| 13:37.09 | ljp_laptop | what feed did you use when you updated? |
| 13:37.09 | absentiaS | cyn: that wasn't his ecxcuse |
| 13:37.11 | absentiaS | that was your excuse for him |
| 13:37.12 | Twiun | absentiaS: opie != openzaurus |
| 13:37.24 | cyn | absentiaS: no, it was my expectation as to why he's not released anew |
| 13:37.25 | absentiaS | if you're going to debate and argue, at least be logical and honest |
| 13:37.32 | absentiaS | cyn: I know |
| 13:37.35 | alessandra | well okie... i guess i will go back to a few months old release... things worked much better at that time. It was much more stable. Now it is really unusable, and it is not about being busy, it is more about being arrogant. This is the only project where i have seen bugs report being deleted for no reason |
| 13:37.38 | cyn | absentiaS: fair enough - he's not going to do a 6 hour build every goddamn change and release |
| 13:37.43 | absentiaS | but I spoke to him about it before he ever mentioned he was interviewing or had a new job |
| 13:37.44 | cyn | so he probably has milestones he'd like |
| 13:37.46 | absentiaS | but that's not the point |
| 13:37.56 | absentiaS | cyn: ya, I agree. |
| 13:38.00 | cyn | and c700 isn't the only oz stuff he has to deal with |
| 13:38.04 | absentiaS | but the release doesn't have keyboard and systime |
| 13:38.13 | absentiaS | I think what you're saying is |
| 13:38.16 | cyn | in fact, it looks like building for c700/5600 screwed up normal oz and he has to fix it |
| 13:38.18 | absentiaS | it's still experimental, ie: it's not a release |
| 13:38.25 | cyn | the release does have keyboard |
| 13:38.27 | absentiaS | therefore, YMMV and it's up to you to make things work |
| 13:38.40 | absentiaS | cyn: ya, that's the only issue |
| 13:38.48 | cyn | i doubt that's the only issue :) |
| 13:38.49 | absentiaS | it seems like the c700 was a stepping stone to the 750/760 |
| 13:38.51 | cyn | I remember others |
| 13:38.54 | cyn | yah |
| 13:38.55 | absentiaS | the 5000 and 5500 are so well established |
| 13:39.01 | cyn | i wish i had known about the 750/760 |
| 13:39.07 | cyn | I woulda waited on ram alone |
| 13:39.11 | absentiaS | it will be wonderful when things go native 640x480 and not that damn annoying magnified screen |
| 13:39.18 | absentiaS | me too |
| 13:39.30 | absentiaS | I want 760 without the fat battery |
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| 13:39.41 | cyn | why do you want 128 over 64 flash |
| 13:39.58 | cyn | it's internal flash, I'd rather external media |
| 13:40.00 | absentiaS | it's like an onboard cache |
| 13:40.01 | absentiaS | like now |
| 13:40.19 | cyn | meh? |
| 13:40.21 | absentiaS | I have a full oz feed and image and sharp rom image on a cf128 |
| 13:40.22 | absentiaS | WITH a system backup |
| 13:40.32 | absentiaS | I have sd512 for debian, etc. |
| 13:40.45 | cyn | how does debian run off sd |
| 13:40.48 | absentiaS | but I noticed that sharp puts things in /root or something... so when I flash back and forth, I have some sources still there |
| 13:40.51 | cyn | seems like the performance would kinda suck |
| 13:40.55 | absentiaS | so, I'd like to make a cache of things that I depend on and things that work |
| 13:40.59 | absentiaS | and put them there |
| 13:41.05 | cyn | ljp_laptop: for pda or in general |
| 13:41.06 | absentiaS | instead of having to carry around a recovery cf |
| 13:41.11 | ljp_laptop | both |
| 13:41.16 | cyn | die die die |
| 13:41.18 | absentiaS | I hate debian |
| 13:41.22 | cyn | heh |
| 13:41.28 | absentiaS | but the NICE thing is it's not MS |
| 13:41.35 | absentiaS | and for that I will always choose it over anything ms |
| 13:41.36 | cyn | so what unix or linux do you guys prefer |
| 13:41.41 | absentiaS | and 2, I don't care about performance |
| 13:41.44 | absentiaS | I'm not trying to do seti at home |
| 13:41.50 | absentiaS | or rcXX (what are they up to now?) |
| 13:41.52 | cyn | I just mean responsiveness/tc. |
| 13:41.58 | cyn | I don't mean raw power |
| 13:42.04 | Twiun | cyn: no favourites atm... going to go to a barebones system soon |
| 13:42.05 | absentiaS | I'm simply trying to make sure my code compiles and works. |
| 13:42.09 | absentiaS | perl, java, python. |
| 13:42.21 | absentiaS | I prefer solaris |
| 13:42.24 | absentiaS | and then freebsd |
| 13:42.30 | absentiaS | and then debian |
| 13:42.32 | cyn | have you done any devel on that little keyboard |
| 13:42.38 | cyn | just curious |
| 13:42.48 | Twiun | cyn: yeah, it's painful for large pieces of code |
| 13:42.49 | absentiaS | it's a pain in the ass. |
| 13:42.53 | cyn | seems like you'd devel differently |
| 13:42.54 | cyn | heh yea |
| 13:42.56 | absentiaS | but for 1 line bug fixes, it's ok |
| 13:43.09 | cyn | like "hmm thats poorly implemented BUT GODDAMN IT'LL TAKE 10 MINUTES TO REWRITE" |
| 13:43.10 | absentiaS | so, I work on a base, or laptop... and sync wit the pda |
| 13:43.15 | absentiaS | I go on a business trip, and figure out a bug while on the plane |
| 13:43.23 | absentiaS | now, I can whip out the pda, change the line |
| 13:43.25 | absentiaS | and test the code |
| 13:43.28 | cyn | yah |
| 13:43.32 | absentiaS | instead of being anxious for days until I return. |
| 13:43.42 | tronical | alessandra: the particular problem you're running into is specific to only very few applications that need libstdc++ |
| 13:43.48 | absentiaS | cyn: yes, I know exactly how I'll dev. |
| 13:43.50 | absentiaS | and you're right |
| 13:43.54 | absentiaS | it is very different |
| 13:43.56 | absentiaS | painful. |
| 13:44.03 | cyn | yah i think bugfixing and such prolly works well for that |
| 13:44.05 | absentiaS | like, if I install oz, and try to edit /etc/ipkg.conf with vi |
| 13:44.09 | absentiaS | how do I save the file? |
| 13:44.14 | Twiun | :wq |
| 13:44.16 | cyn | ya |
| 13:44.26 | absentiaS | have to type esc? |
| 13:44.31 | cyn | cancel is escape |
| 13:44.32 | Twiun | first, of course :) |
| 13:44.46 | absentiaS | how do yo "hand write" a colon. :-> |
| 13:44.52 | cyn | fn-somethin |
| 13:44.57 | absentiaS | h |
| 13:44.57 | absentiaS | yes. |
| 13:44.59 | cyn | j k or somethin |
| 13:45.04 | absentiaS | my point is, that's painful. |
| 13:45.07 | cyn | ya |
| 13:45.15 | cyn | noone disagrees with that :) |
| 13:45.17 | absentiaS | that's all I need |
| 13:45.17 | Twiun | ljp_laptop: I quite like the use of nano on gentoo |
| 13:45.33 | cyn | but it's actually not slow at all when you're used to it |
| 13:45.38 | Twiun | mind you, emacs without ctrl/alt is painful too |
| 13:45.40 | absentiaS | I'm debating if I want to use opie-sh or pyqt ... |
| 13:45.52 | absentiaS | since I don't see a perltk for sharp/oz |
| 13:45.57 | absentiaS | but, alas, under the full debian, it's all there |
| 13:46.09 | Twiun | then why not port the packages?> |
| 13:46.10 | absentiaS | tw: ya, I know. |
| 13:46.13 | cyn | you use X or just commandline |
| 13:46.20 | absentiaS | port them? |
| 13:46.21 | absentiaS | how? |
| 13:46.28 | cyn | Twiun: why spend the time if you've got no skill in it and no interest |
| 13:46.35 | Twiun | ikpg understands dpkg afaik |
| 13:46.36 | cyn | ... if you can just use the chrooted debian and have it |
| 13:46.53 | absentiaS | I use X with the 2 windows... xterms.. with the largest font that I can use to get 80x24 ... I use one window 98% of the time, and the other window is used incase the fist window locks up. |
| 13:47.01 | Twiun | cyn: because as far as I'm concerned, even a partially working piece of work is better than nothing at all |
| 13:47.18 | cyn | Twiun: hey, I like OZ |
| 13:47.25 | absentiaS | also, I use the first window for an X windows cut and paste buffer, with a sun, it's ne key to front/front to switch between windows, and I can cut and paste when there are things that I need to quickly move. |
| 13:47.31 | cyn | but atm I mostly use my c700 for ebooks and so it's always in pda mode |
| 13:47.32 | Twiun | cyn: hehe, I was referring to porting debian packages ;) |
| 13:47.35 | cyn | ah |
| 13:47.39 | cyn | I uh er knew that |
| 13:47.44 | absentiaS | I like OZ to |
| 13:47.47 | absentiaS | I want it to work better. |
| 13:47.54 | absentiaS | I tried buildroot on freebsd |
| 13:48.01 | absentiaS | but it have been linuxed too much |
| 13:48.06 | absentiaS | so I installed debian |
| 13:48.15 | Twiun | I'm doing my bit - JVM and tweaks to the kernel |
| 13:48.19 | absentiaS | but my vpc needed more ram, so I put 256mb more ram |
| 13:48.34 | absentiaS | now I have debian ready to go and I'll look at buildroot when I get back from some stupid trip work is sending me on |
| 13:48.40 | Twiun | and even very small changes improve things |
| 13:48.50 | absentiaS | like, I installed oz.. and installed a few games. |
| 13:48.50 | Twiun | try out the new first boot progress indicator some day |
| 13:49.00 | absentiaS | after installing another package... none of them worked anymore. |
| 13:49.10 | Twiun | no more ....., now you can get an idea of how long it'll take |
| 13:49.14 | absentiaS | the icon would flash (busy indicator would come up) but then nothing |
| 13:49.17 | absentiaS | no errors, no output |
| 13:49.21 | absentiaS | so I reflash, and install just kpacman |
| 13:49.26 | absentiaS | and I get "no schemes defined" |
| 13:49.27 | absentiaS | or something |
| 13:49.39 | Twiun | there's stuff in the email lists about fixing that |
| 13:49.45 | absentiaS | ya, a bootloader would be really great. |
| 13:50.04 | Twiun | nah, this isn't bootloader stuff - just changes to the packages script |
| 13:50.05 | absentiaS | if it's on the list, why not just fix it in the code? |
| 13:50.07 | absentiaS | *gee* |
| 13:50.30 | Twiun | absentiaS: because that requires someone to have the time and interest - or even a maintainer for OZ kpacman |
| 13:50.31 | absentiaS | I have never seen kismet run |
| 13:50.32 | absentiaS | (sharp) |
| 13:50.35 | absentiaS | or wellenreiter |
| 13:50.36 | absentiaS | whatever that is |
| 13:50.39 | absentiaS | or nmapfe |
| 13:50.52 | absentiaS | they all don't seem to install |
| 13:51.02 | cyn | wellenreiter is like kismet |
| 13:51.02 | Twiun | absentiaS: I'm the maintainer of Wonka - and therefore have an interest in that JVM |
| 13:51.17 | cyn | and i've seen both run, dunno if it was on oz (prolly not?) |
| 13:51.18 | Twiun | absentiaS: anyone is welcome to pick up maintenance of other packages |
| 13:51.19 | absentiaS | what is wonka? |
| 13:51.24 | Twiun | absentiaS: Java VM |
| 13:51.30 | Twiun | absentiaS: wonka.acunia.com |
| 13:51.34 | absentiaS | ah |
| 13:51.43 | Twiun | open sourced |
| 13:51.45 | cyn | Twiun: what version of java does it support |
| 13:51.49 | cyn | is it at 1.3 or 1.4 |
| 13:51.49 | absentiaS | I was a java developer back in the mid 90s. |
| 13:52.01 | Twiun | cyn: it's a (mostly) 1.1 JVM |
| 13:52.05 | cyn | ack |
| 13:52.20 | cyn | I have shit from my college days that wouldn't run because it's too new! |
| 13:52.23 | ljp_laptop | *gee* maybe its fixed in opie cvs |
| 13:52.27 | Twiun | cyn: they're working on making it use GNU Classpath as well |
| 13:52.42 | Twiun | cyn: raising its support to ~1.4 |
| 13:52.52 | absentiaS | too new? |
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| 13:53.09 | Twiun | cyn: in any case, things like Swing are really too heavy for a PDA |
| 13:53.35 | cyn | Nah I don't believe that |
| 13:53.39 | ljp_laptop | absentiaS: patches welcome |
| 13:53.41 | cyn | 200mhz should be enough for anything! |
| 13:53.54 | Twiun | cyn: lol, not the way Sun engineered Swing |
| 13:53.57 | cyn | hehe |
| 13:54.03 | Twiun | cyn: over engineered to the max |
| 13:54.05 | absentiaS | no kidding |
| 13:54.14 | absentiaS | my first project in java was to re-write AWT because it sucked so much. |
| 13:54.17 | Twiun | and why the hell did they use floating point math for layout managers??? |
| 13:54.24 | cyn | c700 == corgi ? |
| 13:54.32 | Twiun | absentiaS: using the awt api or something different? |
| 13:54.32 | absentiaS | in the days before all those other widget toolkits. |
| 13:54.37 | cyn | Twiun: for suppixel rendering DUH |
| 13:54.52 | absentiaS | tw: unfortunately. |
| 13:54.56 | Twiun | cyn: bah. fixed-point math would be so much better |
| 13:54.57 | cyn | but that's a good point, anything floating is gunna be mad slow |
| 13:55.07 | cyn | Twiun: sarcasm my friend :) |
| 13:55.24 | Twiun | cyn: but subpixel rendering is good :) |
| 13:55.36 | Twiun | absentiaS: so, new api or using awt api? |
| 13:56.08 | cyn | arms don't have shit for floating point right, they have to break it down and process it in pieces ja? |
| 13:56.20 | Twiun | cyn: emulation... |
| 13:56.43 | cyn | ya |
| 13:56.46 | cyn | very not good |
| 13:57.04 | Twiun | ever want a good scare? |
| 13:57.13 | Twiun | read the emulator documentation in the kernel sources |
| 13:57.26 | absentiaS | tw: new api |
| 13:57.27 | Twiun | it was 'thrown together' ;) |
| 13:57.31 | Twiun | absentiaS: shame :( |
| 13:57.33 | absentiaS | but that's long ago |
| 13:57.47 | absentiaS | I'm only interested in 1 line of programming now |
| 13:57.57 | Twiun | absentiaS: I'm writing a clean room implementation of trolltech's qtawt native peers |
| 13:58.10 | Twiun | absentiaS: anything to speed up AWT would be welcome |
| 13:58.15 | pb_ | Twiun: yeah, that's pretty accurate. Corel wrote nwfpe in response to a last-minute licence problem with the emulator they had planned to ship with the netwinder. |
| 13:58.31 | absentiaS | tw: ya, the graphics was called SCAWT .. Scott's Combined Additional Widgets Toolkit .... was based on 3d objects... so anything displayed was given x/y/z and tilt... and "light angle" ... |
| 13:58.39 | Twiun | pb_: yeah, I skimmed over some of the stuff in the doc |
| 13:58.43 | absentiaS | ya, it wasn't to SPEED it up. |
| 13:58.48 | Twiun | lol |
| 13:58.53 | absentiaS | it was to give me the only funtion I need in any graphics toolkit.. |
| 13:58.59 | absentiaS | I want to click on an object and the toolkit tell me the object! |
| 13:59.04 | absentiaS | tk does this trivially |
| 13:59.08 | absentiaS | java couldn't do it AT ALL. |
| 13:59.19 | absentiaS | so, I wrote an antire toolkit around that functionality. |
| 13:59.27 | Twiun | you couldn't plug into the AWTEventMulticaster? |
| 13:59.36 | Twiun | java 1.0? |
| 13:59.50 | absentiaS | yup |
| 13:59.54 | Twiun | I understand your pain |
| 13:59.55 | absentiaS | I think I ported it to 1.1 |
| 14:00.05 | Twiun | 1.1 event handling was a great deal better |
| 14:00.16 | Twiun | and reflection helps if nothing else does |
| 14:00.22 | absentiaS | basically, all I did was draw to a virtual screen with psudo colors |
| 14:00.24 | Twiun | ... and of course, I can cheat and go native |
| 14:00.42 | absentiaS | the colors were the index to the object's index. |
| 14:01.06 | Twiun | ah |
| 14:01.12 | absentiaS | the problem was that object identification was done by rectangles and didn't even take overlapping regions into consideration |
| 14:01.18 | absentiaS | that was just too sucky |
| 14:01.29 | Twiun | hehe, first implementations are always that way |
| 14:01.31 | absentiaS | I whine until they put in polygon.inside() using the algorithms that were going around at the time |
| 14:01.36 | absentiaS | but those were so slow, it was useless. |
| 14:01.54 | absentiaS | well, it's sad clicking outside a rounded button and still having the button work. |
| 14:02.07 | Twiun | polygon.inside is a bit more work mathematically than rectangle.inside though |
| 14:02.18 | absentiaS | *ANYWAY* ... now all that interests me is the philosophy behind natural language programming. |
| 14:02.30 | Twiun | hehe |
| 14:02.30 | icefox | Has anyone been able to get OZ on the 5600 yet? |
| 14:02.48 | Twiun | icefox: only if kergoth's had the time to use masticator's 5600 to develop |
| 14:02.56 | ljp_laptop | no one has $$$ for 5600 |
| 14:03.13 | absentiaS | so, I want to get my dev code to be able to not only ru, but be safe... on the pda |
| 14:03.14 | ljp_laptop | get sharp to send opie devs one and it will work |
| 14:03.14 | icefox | oh so sharp released the instructions? |
| 14:03.26 | absentiaS | I figure I could use opie-sh as my "dev" interface |
| 14:04.16 | Twiun | gotta go - board meeting :) |
| 14:04.45 | ljp_laptop | you mean bored meeting |
| 14:05.00 | absentiaS | enjoy |
| 14:06.28 | fishy | isnt the 5600 slower than the 5500 |
| 14:08.19 | icefox | yup |
| 14:08.45 | fishy | quite sad :P |
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| 14:20.15 | heatxsink | has anyone built the binary "cisdump" for their newer kernels for the Z? |
| 14:28.50 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:29.04 | absentiaS | morn' |
| 14:37.31 | ljp_laptop | hey choui |
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| 14:40.04 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: any news? |
| 14:40.18 | ljp_laptop | ;( |
| 14:40.23 | ljp_laptop | not frickin yet |
| 14:41.12 | ljp_laptop | extended work visa app is very expensive. I am glad I did not have to pay for it |
| 14:41.27 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: hehe |
| 14:43.32 | chouimat | yay! just got a change to pratice my english on the phone! |
| 14:44.17 | ljp_laptop | hehehe. good luck! |
| 14:44.38 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: it was a wrong number :( |
| 14:44.42 | ljp_laptop | doh |
| 14:45.16 | ljp_laptop | <chouimat> wait! wait! wait! dont hang up! I must practise my english! |
| 14:45.38 | chouimat | lol |
| 14:46.59 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: siemens canada |
| 14:49.53 | Twiun | morning kergoth |
| 14:50.14 | kergoth | mornin |
| 14:51.04 | icefox | hey kergoth |
| 14:51.06 | icefox | how is TX? |
| 14:51.21 | chouimat | icefox: probably too hot |
| 14:51.49 | icefox | hehe |
| 14:52.40 | kergoth | yeah, heat takes some getting used to |
| 14:52.44 | kergoth | i'm liking it so far though |
| 14:52.49 | Twiun | kergoth: got the .19 modules building and installing into my image - booted find *and* the CF mounted :) |
| 14:53.22 | icefox | kergoth: ever got oe working on the 5600? I never got the update script |
| 14:53.25 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 14:53.35 | kergoth | icefox: never got around to it. once i get settled here i'll hack on it |
| 14:53.37 | mickeyl | Twiun: good. progress. what did you change for the modules to get build? bk push please |
| 14:53.47 | icefox | kergoth: ok no rush, just curius |
| 14:53.51 | Twiun | mickeyl: cleared the 2.4.6 modules out of the ipks dir :) |
| 14:54.03 | Twiun | mickeyl: I'm going to add some sanity checking to the make image target |
| 14:54.24 | Twiun | mickeyl: or as I like to call it... idiot-proofing |
| 14:54.45 | kergoth | eh, make image installs ipks. thats it. |
| 14:54.52 | kergoth | it doesnt care whether you have modules or not. thats a user decision |
| 14:54.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:55.02 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: wait till august. you'll be hating the heat then |
| 14:55.09 | kergoth | in fact, you could build everything in monolithically and not need any modules packages |
| 14:55.13 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: i'm sure |
| 14:55.13 | Twiun | kergoth: right, but when it deduplicates ipks, I believe the 2.4.6 ipk gets chosen over the 2.4.19 ones |
| 14:55.41 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: I willl be in line to buy an AC |
| 14:55.47 | kergoth | Twiun: ah. is it a bug in the package versions, or a bug in the dupe checker? |
| 14:55.50 | chouimat | s/I/he |
| 14:56.01 | ljp_laptop | bbl |
| 14:56.20 | Twiun | kergoth: I don't think it's a bug - but I think some kind of warning message would help track this down |
| 14:56.36 | Twiun | kergoth: something like "Warning, mixed kernel/modules versions found" |
| 14:57.28 | Twiun | kergoth: as we can't realistically decide which ones the user intended to build into the image |
| 14:57.33 | kergoth | Twiun: what if the user wants both 2.4.6 and 2.4.19 images installed? |
| 14:57.41 | kergoth | Twiun: and select between them using their bootloader? |
| 14:57.47 | kergoth | Twiun: this _is not Z specific_ |
| 14:58.08 | Twiun | kergoth: hmmm, ok, then in that case, it's a dupe bug - it should install both module packages |
| 14:58.29 | Twiun | kergoth: and I'm sure we'll have a bootloader of our very own eventually :) |
| 15:00.40 | Twiun | kergoth: hmmm, I'll look into a console keybord issue which occurs on resume |
| 15:01.19 | Twiun | kergoth: as I've come across it before when messing about with the 2.4.6 stuff |
| 15:03.04 | kergoth | Twiun: console keyboard issue on resume w/ 2.4.6 or 2.4.19> |
| 15:03.18 | Twiun | kergoth: .19 - autorepeat goes nuts |
| 15:03.18 | heatxsink | hi kergoth |
| 15:03.34 | heatxsink | :-) |
| 15:04.42 | kergoth | Twiun: hmm k |
| 15:05.29 | Twiun | kergoth: no biggy, I think one of the handlers just doesn't get reregistered |
| 15:05.55 | cmartin | hi, i'm experimenting with building an XFree image for SIMpad |
| 15:06.02 | Twiun | hey cmartin |
| 15:06.08 | cmartin | i'm getting the following error: |
| 15:06.15 | chouimat | hey Twiun |
| 15:06.24 | Twiun | hey chouimat |
| 15:06.24 | cmartin | I hope you checked the configuration parameters in ./config/cf |
| 15:06.24 | cmartin | to see if you need to pass BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS. |
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| 15:06.34 | chouimat | wbb kurre |
| 15:06.40 | cmartin | and then, |
| 15:06.43 | cmartin | imakemdep.h:779: linux/version.h: No such file or directory |
| 15:07.01 | cmartin | any ideas? |
| 15:07.50 | kergoth | Twiun: if repeat is happening, it believes the key is still pressed. does it empty the keypress state array on resume? |
| 15:08.10 | kergoth | Twiun: if not, it probably should.. its knowledge of the key press/release states from before suspend isnt much good after :) |
| 15:08.52 | Twiun | kergoth: good point, I'll check when I get back later tonight |
| 15:09.07 | kergoth | k |
| 15:16.52 | kergoth | Twiun: reading the code, that pm_suspend call was due to the holdkey handling i added |
| 15:17.10 | kergoth | Twiun: it associated a hold-down of 'cancel' to a suspend of the Z, calling pm_suspend() to do it |
| 15:17.20 | kergoth | we probably shouldnt handle the cancel press in kernel space at all |
| 15:17.35 | kergoth | so I'll kill that off. opie and X need control of it themselves anyway |
| 15:17.41 | kergoth | and someone in pure console can damn well type apm -s |
| 15:18.23 | mickeyl | nods even |
| 15:18.40 | chouimat | hey mickeyl |
| 15:18.45 | mickeyl | hi chouimat - whats up? |
| 15:19.25 | kergoth | Twiun: found your suspend/resume problem |
| 15:19.52 | chouimat | mickeyl: working on an embbeded dns system |
| 15:20.01 | Twiun | kergoth: thanks :) |
| 15:20.11 | kergoth | Twiun: it pushes press events up to the input layer when you press the key.. you suspend the Z.. the resume zeros the timer counter, which means it waits for another keypress to update its knowledge of the key states, so the 'release' event never gets sent up |
| 15:20.42 | Twiun | kergoth: right |
| 15:21.08 | cyn | kergoth: i'd say in pure console cancel should send the escape sequence, no? |
| 15:21.14 | kergoth | Twiun: so the easy fix is set count = 1 in the PM_RESUME handler, so the timer gets fired off to fire up the resumes |
| 15:21.29 | Twiun | cyn: it does already - but press-and-hold has special meaning... for now |
| 15:21.30 | kergoth | cyn: it does, i'm referring to whether or not we should handle a 'press+hold' of cancel at all |
| 15:21.34 | kergoth | right :) |
| 15:21.49 | mickeyl | chouimat: embedded dns... that is what exactly? :D |
| 15:21.53 | cyn | oh |
| 15:22.17 | Twiun | kergoth: esp as this isn't Z specific :) |
| 15:22.21 | cyn | well, you'd want the key to be able to repeat in some circumstances, so good question |
| 15:22.23 | kergoth | Twiun: er actually.. copy the 'mod_timer' call from the interrupt handler into the PM_RESUME |
| 15:22.39 | cyn | I'd say no on the handle press+hold but that's just my opinion |
| 15:23.00 | Twiun | cyn: we all agree - it should be a userspace thing |
| 15:23.04 | kergoth | actually, you can change the value in the mod_timer call so it fires it immediately, rather then after jiffies + SCANINTERVAL |
| 15:23.19 | kergoth | then there's no danger of key events making it through the input layer while we wait for the timer to start :) |
| 15:23.30 | Twiun | kergoth: ok, on it |
| 15:31.10 | kergoth | Twiun: pushed in the linux-arm-2.4-collie bk tree. 1) fire off the timer on resume to ensure the keystates match reality, and 2) remove the cancel press+hold setup |
| 15:32.06 | Twiun | kergoth: fast work! |
| 15:32.14 | kergoth | it bothered me :) |
| 15:32.17 | Twiun | lol |
| 15:32.20 | kergoth | and i was already in the code.. |
| 15:32.37 | Twiun | ok, I'll pull |
| 15:33.02 | kergoth | if you're in buildroot, i think bk sources get their metadata stripped |
| 15:33.09 | kergoth | because bk goes absolutely berserk |
| 15:33.24 | kergoth | it thinks sources/linux-arm-2.4-collie is part of the buildroot tree cause of the SCCS files |
| 15:33.27 | kergoth | ugly ugly |
| 15:34.03 | Twiun | that's ok, I'll just make mrproper for the kernel |
| 15:34.12 | Twiun | I'm about to go out, so plenty of time for it to build |
| 15:34.17 | kergoth | yeah, thats best |
| 15:34.17 | kergoth | k |
| 15:35.10 | Twiun | kergoth: hmm, can't get read lock? |
| 15:35.20 | kergoth | oh, its still pushing |
| 15:35.28 | Twiun | np |
| 15:35.31 | kergoth | the bk consistency check takes a while on big repositories :) |
| 15:35.45 | Twiun | yeah |
| 15:35.48 | mickeyl | that is something which is quite good# |
| 15:36.02 | mickeyl | i like bk even more after using cvs again... |
| 15:36.16 | kergoth | yep, it spoils ya |
| 15:36.23 | kergoth | its like using cable and having to go back to dialup |
| 15:36.42 | mickeyl | kergoth: whatcha think about the possibility to convince the opie team to use bk for after 1.0 ... |
| 15:36.46 | mickeyl | ? |
| 15:37.15 | kergoth | mickeyl: hmm, I think the fact that Opie is tied in with handhelds.org, which consists of huge personalities w/ strong political views, it could be difficult |
| 15:37.36 | mickeyl | kergoth: probably |
| 15:37.38 | pb_ | I didn't think opie had any particularly strong ties to handhelds.org. |
| 15:38.02 | mickeyl | pb_: you mean except the infrastructure? :D |
| 15:38.35 | pb_ | mickeyl: that's just one of many opie websites, isn't it? |
| 15:38.58 | mickeyl | well not talking about web here. cvs, email, accounting... virtually everything is there. |
| 15:39.15 | pb_ | ah, I see. |
| 15:40.04 | mickeyl | also in peoples mind... i always must respond with "What is Opie 0.7?" if people join #opie asking me if 0.7 is out yet :)) |
| 15:40.32 | pb_ | heh. |
| 15:45.12 | mickeyl | http://www.it-analysis.com/article.php?articleid=10893 |
| 15:45.24 | mickeyl | c7x0 article |
| 15:45.41 | mickeyl | well... nothing exciting |
| 15:46.19 | Twiun | I'm sure I've read parts of that article elsewhere... |
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| 15:58.58 | cyn | hi treke |
| 15:59.01 | treke | morning |
| 15:59.52 | treke | kergoth: This is sad, last night I found it easier to add my app to build root then to fight with trying to get OPIE to behave :p |
| 16:00.44 | mickeyl | how that? the opie buildroot is just a miniature version of the oz buildroot? |
| 16:01.09 | mickeyl | we have packages (pkg.conf), we config.in and we have a Makefile |
| 16:01.14 | bipolar | ,,,0.o,,, |
| 16:01.23 | treke | mickeyl: dunno. For the life of me I couldnt get anything to build against the opie trees I have sitting around |
| 16:02.51 | bipolar | hahahahahah |
| 16:03.06 | mickeyl | well... merging opie buildroot into ours is digged deep inside the wizards' todo stack :D |
| 16:05.15 | mickeyl | some times i love users.... |
| 16:05.20 | mickeyl | <newbie> [03:48] hello |
| 16:05.20 | mickeyl | <newbie> [03:48] the current opie-wellenreiter_0.9.9-20030504_arm.ipk is not correctly packaged |
| 16:05.23 | cmartin | mickeyl: just wanting to test nvrd on the simpad - i only have the ipks with init-scripts but no kernel module - how do i have that built? - i may be overlooking something in make menuconfig |
| 16:05.25 | mickeyl | and that was all from him |
| 16:05.47 | mickeyl | cmartin: no idea. never did any work on that |
| 16:06.13 | mickeyl | you might compare our Makefile against kernel-ipaq/Makefile |
| 16:06.32 | pb_ | treke: btw, what's the current status of your gpe-in-oz efforts? |
| 16:06.40 | cmartin | mickeyl: a friend of mine test my latest image on a T-Sinus pad - works fine, but only has 2,4 MB free space |
| 16:06.51 | cmartin | mickeyl: so we need nvrd for those devices |
| 16:07.01 | treke | pb_: havent done much on it the past week. When I went to work on it, my tree was fucked up :( |
| 16:07.11 | mickeyl | cmartin: good to know. |
| 16:07.29 | mickeyl | cmartin: maybe treke can help - I have absolutley no idea about nvrd stuff :) |
| 16:07.38 | treke | what about nvrd? |
| 16:08.31 | masticator | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20030604/od_nm/brothel_dc |
| 16:08.34 | masticator | YEAH BABY! |
| 16:09.15 | chouimat | hey masticator |
| 16:09.41 | masticator | hey chewie. |
| 16:09.59 | chouimat | masticator: they are improving the troop morale :) |
| 16:10.43 | mickeyl | treke: how does nvrd work in ipaq? |
| 16:10.58 | mickeyl | treke: that needs special support from the bootloader ? |
| 16:11.41 | chouimat | masticator: any news |
| 16:11.41 | treke | mickeyl: the bootloader needs to not zero out memory |
| 16:11.48 | treke | mickeyl: and you need to be able to set kernel params somehow |
| 16:11.55 | mickeyl | treke: well... i feared that - thanks |
| 16:12.03 | mickeyl | cmartin: we must go the zaurus road and provide different kernel images for different memory/RAMdisk configurations |
| 16:12.08 | cmartin | treke: how do i build the nvrd kernel module? - i think i'm overlokking something in make menuconfig |
| 16:12.10 | mickeyl | no nvrd unless a new bootloader |
| 16:12.22 | treke | cmartin: you need to add it into your kernel first |
| 16:12.56 | cmartin | mickeyl: why that, we could offer different KERNEL-ONLY images for that |
| 16:14.07 | mickeyl | cmartin: that yes, but to get the ramdisk non-volatile we need bootloader support which we have not. |
| 16:14.34 | cmartin | mickeyl: what does the bootloader have to do with nvrd? |
| 16:14.45 | mickeyl | scroll up a bunch of lines |
| 16:14.50 | mickeyl | <treke> mickeyl: the bootloader needs to not zero out memory |
| 16:15.10 | mickeyl | maybe it already doesn't but i'd be surprised... |
| 16:15.37 | treke | and you need to be able to pass in a mem paramater somehow |
| 16:15.38 | cmartin | mickeyl: only need to set mem= for the kernel and load the nvrd kernel module with an init-script |
| 16:16.22 | mickeyl | cmartin: sounds good. please give it a try. if that works, I'll alter the bootprocess to make us 6 kernels differing only in RAM/RAMdisk config |
| 16:16.34 | mickeyl | s/bootprocess/buildprocess |
| 16:18.46 | cmartin | mickeyl and treke: ok the mem parameter is no problem, but that may be a problem with the zeroing out of ram - i'll test that |
| 16:19.30 | mickeyl | and it won't be that elegant as with the ipaq which doesn't need to flash a new kernel just because of changing kernel args |
| 16:20.17 | cmartin | mickeyl: yes that's right - hopefully redboot gets here quick |
| 16:20.26 | bipolar | I've got an off the wall thought. I've been reading the May issue of Linux Journal and the article on Kernel Mode Linux which lets you run any process in kernel space. Would something like that be useful for running opie in or just a liability? If I'm way off base here just say so and I'll shut up. :) |
| 16:21.03 | cmartin | mickeyl: but i would like to at least realease an official simpad image along with the current developer bootloader |
| 16:21.04 | mickeyl | bipolar: why should we want to run a process in kernel space? |
| 16:22.12 | cmartin | mickeyl: BTW - have you seen the Survey and Forums on opensimpad.org? |
| 16:22.15 | mickeyl | cmartin: yes. hopefully it still works... i started with renovating some of the build things, e.g. we define QT_QWS_SIMPAD now in addition to QT_QWS_IPAQ - didn't try a new build yet though |
| 16:22.22 | mickeyl | Survey ? Forums? |
| 16:22.36 | bipolar | mickeyl: according to the artical, all system calls are executed much faster. |
| 16:23.13 | mickeyl | bipolar: well... this is the same kind of things which made all windows nt versions >= 3.51 buggy |
| 16:23.34 | mickeyl | if it works, ok. if it doesn't then you'll get a reboot instead of a segfault |
| 16:23.59 | kurre | chouimat: Hi! |
| 16:23.59 | mickeyl | bipolar: i'd rather incorporate the preempt-patches and the low-level patches |
| 16:24.05 | mickeyl | into arm-linux |
| 16:24.30 | bipolar | mickeyl: yeah, I've thought of that. The KML patch is designed for specal cases, not the whole system. But on a PDA, it might be useable. who knows. :) |
| 16:25.08 | mickeyl | bipolar: onto a somehow related thing... i was pretty excited by dwmw's mail which came in on arm-linux-kernel today. |
| 16:25.13 | mickeyl | did anyone read? |
| 16:26.57 | treke | grrr |
| 16:26.57 | mickeyl | cmartin: nice! |
| 16:27.02 | treke | darn qte |
| 16:27.19 | bipolar | mickeyl: I didn't. Is it archived anywhere? |
| 16:27.32 | mickeyl | bipolar: yeah, hold on... |
| 16:27.53 | treke | looks like a widget looses focus whenever you move the mouse |
| 16:28.09 | mickeyl | http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2003-June/015571.html |
| 16:29.29 | treke | hrmm. works with right click but not double click. |
| 16:29.32 | bipolar | mickeyl: thats interesting |
| 16:30.24 | bipolar | looks a bit far off though. |
| 16:30.35 | chouimat | sound fun |
| 16:30.42 | bipolar | like, a couple of months...heh |
| 16:32.05 | cmartin | treke: how do we include nvrd.c in our simpad kernel? in my iPAQ kernel source directory it's there, but not in the one for the simpad |
| 16:32.27 | treke | cmartin: it isnt part of the standard tree. you need to patch it in |
| 16:33.23 | treke | hehe. find one :p It was written specifically for the iPaq |
| 16:33.48 | kergoth | s/find/write/ |
| 16:33.51 | treke | bipolar: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1684.png |
| 16:34.26 | mickeyl | well... no showstopper... better have a volatile ramdisk than no ramdisk at all... |
| 16:34.38 | bipolar | treke: whats that? Looks like iqnotes. |
| 16:34.51 | treke | bipolar: similar. But with a better interface IMHO |
| 16:35.10 | bipolar | treke: you writing it? |
| 16:35.13 | treke | inline editing of titles. No more jumping through hoops to move items |
| 16:35.14 | treke | yup |
| 16:36.05 | cmartin | treke: i don't see the patch included anywhere in packages/kernel-ipaq/Makefile - where is it included? |
| 16:36.09 | treke | supports text right now. going to add drawings next. Dont plan on adding things like addresses |
| 16:36.15 | kergoth | treke: you're doing an outliner tool? smoooth |
| 16:36.16 | treke | cmartin: It is part of the handhelds.org patch |
| 16:36.32 | treke | kergoth: looks like there are all kinds of cool ones, just none gpl :p |
| 16:37.02 | mickeyl | cmartin: if you like to, put http://opie.net.wox.org/simpad/screenies/bootlogo.png up on the screenies page |
| 16:37.21 | treke | kergoth: At this point, all of the basic functionality is there and working |
| 16:37.37 | bipolar | kergoth: how much cordination is going on between OE and HH.org regarding build tools, etc? Any at all? |
| 16:38.11 | mickeyl | none |
| 16:38.32 | treke | ok. gotta run to our santa barbara office. be back in 30 or so |
| 16:38.43 | bipolar | well then, let the best one win... heh |
| 16:39.05 | kergoth | bipolar: I reviewed the handhelds.org autobuilder |
| 16:39.20 | kergoth | bipolar: when schurig and I were looking over all the existing tools that may have fit our needs |
| 16:39.44 | bipolar | kergoth: so it sucked more? |
| 16:39.46 | bipolar | :) |
| 16:39.55 | kergoth | bipolar: its highly limited, requires subversion, has only an 'autobuilder', no 'builder'.. so no buildroot equivalent for users, only automatic builds. also it doesnt facilitate crosscopmilation *at all* |
| 16:40.16 | bipolar | kergoth: ouch... major suckage. |
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| 16:41.26 | kergoth | bipolar: yep. we could have started with it, but I didnt feel it was a solid starting point. |
| 16:41.32 | kergoth | bipolar: nor was debian's, for other reasons |
| 16:41.57 | cmartin | mickeyl: done |
| 16:42.17 | bipolar | kergoth: did you look at whatever gentoo uses? I never used it, but... :p |
| 16:42.20 | mickeyl | cmartin: cool |
| 16:42.54 | kergoth | bipolar: uh, what do you think we're based OE on? |
| 16:42.58 | kergoth | bipolar: portage.. |
| 16:43.03 | kergoth | bipolar: :P |
| 16:43.24 | bipolar | kergoth: heh... you mean the new buildroot or the one we use now? |
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| 16:43.39 | cmartin | mickeyl: BTW - if you just want to see teh results of the survey, just click on the title "Survey" |
| 16:43.56 | kergoth | bipolar: i mean the new build infrastructure. |
| 16:43.57 | mickeyl | ah that is clickable |
| 16:43.59 | kergoth | bipolar: read openembedded.org |
| 16:44.14 | bipolar | kergoth: ahh... cool. Is there a web site there now? :D |
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| 16:44.58 | mickeyl | cmartin: i think if we add the rest of the x11 related info, simpad.sf.net should redirect to your site then |
| 16:45.09 | mickeyl | simpad.sf.net looks horribly btw. |
| 16:45.30 | mickeyl | pretty much like a kernel coders site :)) |
| 16:49.18 | bipolar | HAHHAHA.... news on the BBC radio. Some music artist was proven inocent of drug charges by lip reading footage from all those damn cameras they have all over london. hahaha |
| 16:51.58 | bipolar | kergoth: cool... looks like ebuild is what we are going to be useing, unless we find something better by then? |
| 16:51.59 | mickeyl | lol |
| 16:52.59 | cmartin | mickeyl: i'll do that soon - juergen sent me a presentation from may 2002 where the port was presented at a linux conference. |
| 16:53.10 | cmartin | mickeyl: i will add information from that |
| 16:53.19 | kergoth | bipolar: uh, n o |
| 16:53.34 | bipolar | kergoth: oh... I'll shut up now... |
| 16:53.34 | kergoth | bipolar: ebuild was the *starting point*. we've already quite a bit of new code for the new buildsystem |
| 16:53.45 | kergoth | bipolar: download openembedded.bkbits.net/oe and openembedded.bkbits.net/packages |
| 16:53.50 | bipolar | kergoth: yeah... thats what I meant... heh |
| 16:53.54 | kergoth | bipolar: thats the buildsystem and package metadata, respectively |
| 16:54.02 | cmartin | bbl |
| 16:54.02 | mickeyl | cmartin: nice. then we have a central one - good looking - site for the simpad |
| 16:54.14 | cmartin | mickeyl: hope so |
| 16:55.05 | cmartin | mickeyl: only problem is that google doesn't like my site - i need to find out how to optimize typo3 for search engines |
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| 17:11.18 | bipolar | zecke! yo man! |
| 17:11.50 | zecke | hi bipolar |
| 17:12.00 | bipolar | zecke: how are you doing? |
| 17:12.14 | zecke | wavey |
| 17:12.20 | bipolar | heh |
| 17:12.29 | zecke | ups and downs |
| 17:16.14 | kergoth | hrmmm |
| 17:16.35 | kergoth | i shouldve bought a laptop years ago |
| 17:17.38 | zecke | ;) |
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| 17:20.53 | cyn | yah I really enjoy laptops |
| 17:21.06 | cyn | especially the fact that they don't play games nearly as well - well... depends on the game, but yeah :) |
| 17:21.19 | kergoth | the ability to *bring your code with you* is so novel and spiffy |
| 17:21.21 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:22.16 | kergoth | cyn: this laptop has a faster cpu and more ram than my desktop, but my desktop kicks its ass in a lot of ways. i use scsi raid on the desktop, and scsi dvd and cdroms |
| 17:22.26 | cyn | yah same here |
| 17:22.27 | kergoth | cyn: the low cpu usage during intense i/o really spoils ya |
| 17:22.38 | cyn | except i pulledout the scsi hd on my desktop |
| 17:22.39 | bipolar | I gotta restart X after apt-get dist-upgrading... I'll bRb |
| 17:22.41 | cyn | coz it was overheating |
| 17:22.47 | cyn | i have a new case now i could put that puppy back in |
| 17:22.48 | cyn | hmm |
| 17:27.56 | Neo|Work | gotta love it when someone says they'll brb after upgrading the system and then don't come back. :) |
| 17:28.08 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:28.22 | fishy | all 1/2x |
| 17:28.31 | fishy | not sure, but they are from 1995 :P |
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| 17:43.09 | kergoth | fishy: set up raid.. even software :) |
| 17:43.50 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: got your cubicle?/ |
| 17:44.15 | fishy | kergoth: RAIDed CDrom drives? |
| 17:45.47 | kergoth | fishy: eh, you said hds, not cdroms :) |
| 17:45.53 | kergoth | chouimat|busy: nope, still in tims. |
| 17:46.23 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: I wonder which one will get tired of the other presence first |
| 17:46.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:47.02 | fishy | ohh my bad kergoth, I ment CDs |
| 17:47.05 | kergoth | hey i'm pretty quiet in rl unless I have something to bitch about :) |
| 17:47.14 | kergoth | so i doubt tim is annoyed yet |
| 17:47.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:47.15 | fishy | but is that possible to raid cdrom drives? |
| 17:47.27 | kergoth | not afaik |
| 17:47.59 | fishy | :/ I also have some SCSI HDs |
| 17:48.10 | fishy | but ive never gotten them to work |
| 17:48.25 | fishy | they never spin-up when they are powered |
| 17:53.43 | ljp_laptop | tap on them |
| 17:53.47 | kergoth | hrmmmm |
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| 17:54.15 | kergoth | bipolar: wb |
| 17:54.16 | ljp_laptop | my firewall drive used to only power up when I hit it |
| 17:54.53 | ljp_laptop | so if my power wehnt off for a while, I'd have to go downstairs and smack that drive to get it spinning |
| 17:55.09 | ljp_laptop | sticking one in the freezer also works, I hear sometimes |
| 17:55.43 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 17:58.04 | bipolar | kergoth: thanks |
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| 18:00.07 | treke|laptop | it would be nice if debian kept old packages around longer |
| 18:00.29 | kergoth | it would be nice if old debian packages were even apt-get installable |
| 18:00.43 | kergoth | then you could install any arbitrary version of things |
| 18:00.45 | treke|laptop | yeah. and if apt had a hold feature |
| 18:00.50 | kergoth | course the Packages file would get fucking huge |
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| 18:00.53 | kergoth | apt does have hold |
| 18:00.56 | kergoth | i forget the syntax though |
| 18:01.00 | treke|laptop | does it? thought just dselect did |
| 18:01.16 | kergoth | iirc its a dpkg feature |
| 18:01.19 | kergoth | that it just makes use of |
| 18:01.23 | treke|laptop | debian updated subversion to a version incompatible with our repository :p |
| 18:01.30 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:01.33 | treke|laptop | so I have to ftp my source code to another machine to check it in |
| 18:01.48 | kergoth | therein lies one of svn's problems. in such flux |
| 18:02.06 | treke|laptop | yup. |
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| 18:38.08 | kergoth | being able to go home for lunch rocks. |
| 18:38.21 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 18:38.28 | treke|laptop | how far away are you? |
| 18:38.41 | kergoth | across the street :P |
| 18:38.55 | treke|laptop | :p |
| 18:43.58 | kergoth | bastard |
| 18:44.15 | treke|laptop | get your bitch ass into the kitchen and make me some pie |
| 18:45.21 | treke|laptop | " |
| 18:45.21 | treke|laptop | the master of feeds is divorced from his borked toolchain so I just decided |
| 18:45.25 | treke|laptop | myself to build two packages for iPAQ... |
| 18:45.27 | treke|laptop | " |
| 18:45.31 | treke|laptop | hehe groucho needs a new toolchain :p |
| 18:47.32 | kergoth | treke|laptop: oh, my new laptop is glibc 2.2.5.. so i can finally produce some new toolchains that dont require glibc 2.3.x |
| 18:47.36 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:48.02 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 18:48.52 | treke|laptop | kergoth: what distro? |
| 18:49.06 | treke|laptop | rh 7.3? |
| 18:49.08 | ljp_laptop | redhat |
| 18:49.13 | ljp_laptop | probably |
| 18:49.38 | kergoth | yep, 7.3 |
| 18:49.46 | kergoth | w/ apt-rpm at least |
| 18:49.57 | kergoth | so i'm not going *completely* insane :) |
| 18:50.10 | kergoth | but the lack of /etc/network/interfaces makes me unhappy |
| 18:50.15 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 18:50.20 | Neo|Work | /etc/network/interfaces sux0rs |
| 18:50.36 | Neo|Work | or the fact that mine got overwritten like 4711 times with nonsense crap sucked |
| 18:50.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:51.08 | treke|laptop | what overwrote it? |
| 18:51.28 | treke|laptop | debian has never touched mine except between potato and woody when the format changed |
| 18:51.36 | kergoth | exactly |
| 18:51.40 | kergoth | i dont use anything that touches interfaces |
| 18:51.51 | kergoth | except opie-networksettings in a qvfb, but i'm a user, so it cant |
| 18:51.59 | cyn | anyone know a way to change the window title on an eterm/xterm/etc. once it's invoked - and I don't mean tying it to the user@host:cwd trick |
| 18:52.12 | treke|laptop | I dont trust netwroksettings |
| 18:52.20 | treke|laptop | cyn: you can do it with xlib iirc |
| 18:52.22 | cyn | xchwindow is the only thing I've heard of / seen lookin |
| 18:52.23 | Neo|Work | treke|laptop: who the fuck knows. it screwed up my /etc/hosts on a number of occasions too |
| 18:52.31 | treke|laptop | odd |
| 18:52.33 | cyn | I mean from commandline :) |
| 18:53.02 | treke|laptop | kergoth: It has never worked for anything more challenging than checking my ip address |
| 18:53.05 | cyn | i'd just grab that other tool if it was merely a matter of a '3rd party' tool or somethin, want somethin semi standard |
| 18:53.18 | kergoth | cyn: theres an env var |
| 18:53.31 | kergoth | cyn: i use it along with screen to get my xterm's to show my screen window name in the title |
| 18:54.10 | kergoth | treke|laptop: it works for wireless config |
| 18:54.16 | kergoth | treke|laptop: since my wlan updates to it :) |
| 18:54.33 | kergoth | drw seems to be doing good w/ it as well in his ppp stuff |
| 18:54.39 | cyn | kergoth: you sure you're not doing some funky similarity to the user@host:cwd stuff |
| 18:54.43 | kergoth | er not drw |
| 18:54.50 | kergoth | whatever |
| 18:54.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:55.05 | kergoth | cyn: I dont know what you're referring to |
| 18:55.17 | cyn | PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@${HOSTNAME}:`echo $PWD|sed \"s:$HOME:\~:\"`\007 |
| 18:55.41 | cyn | that makes my aterms titles user@host:cwd |
| 18:55.47 | cyn | i move hosts it changes etc. |
| 18:55.52 | kergoth | uh, yeah. PROMPT_COMMAND is how its done |
| 18:55.54 | cyn | [doesn't tie into screen tho, that'd be cool] |
| 18:56.02 | kergoth | *you* use it for user@host:cwd |
| 18:56.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:56.06 | cyn | my env doesn't report PROMPT_COMMAND |
| 18:56.21 | treke|laptop | kergoth: never seems to wok for me. Particuarly profiles |
| 18:56.27 | kergoth | treke|laptop: profiles are disabled |
| 18:56.37 | cyn | obviously if i want my window title "email" I don't want my prompt the same :) |
| 18:56.42 | kergoth | treke|laptop: he commented them out completely, since they're borked |
| 18:57.19 | treke|laptop | kergoth: ah. That explains it |
| 18:57.22 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:57.26 | kergoth | the rest should be workin fine |
| 18:57.44 | treke|laptop | profiles are the only things I need it for dammit :p |
| 18:57.52 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:58.00 | kergoth | we'll get em working again |
| 18:58.04 | kergoth | but you can do it manually w/ mappings |
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| 18:59.04 | ljp_laptop | bbl |
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| 19:18.15 | cyn | im frickin blind |
| 19:18.25 | cyn | xprop -id $WINDOWID -set WM_NAME "openzaurus rocks" |
| 19:27.20 | kergoth | cyn: spiffy |
| 19:29.20 | cyn | i just assumed x's stuff was all tiny and split up, so i didn't even look for setting options in the one that shows em heh |
| 19:31.24 | cyn | btw why are only the older toolchains for crosscompiling on oz.org |
| 19:32.19 | kergoth | because i built new ones and then realized they were x86_64 binaries |
| 19:32.25 | kergoth | so i yanked em |
| 19:32.31 | kergoth | and never had time to build em again |
| 19:33.54 | cyn | k, just wanted to see if there were newer ones i should be grabbin elsewhere |
| 19:34.06 | cyn | http://www.arie.org/doh/ |
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| 19:35.54 | kergoth | wb mickeyl |
| 19:42.53 | masticator | http://excaliburfilms.com/pornucopia/Martha.htm |
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| 20:03.11 | kergoth | i hate it when my right hand rests too far to the left, bumps the touchpad, and as a result makes some random window get the focus |
| 20:03.51 | masticator | kergoth: you playing with actual toys at TI yet? |
| 20:04.03 | masticator | or is it all on development boards |
| 20:04.07 | kergoth | masticator: not really. |
| 20:04.21 | masticator | they are that far off? |
| 20:04.25 | ljp_laptop | he'd have to kill you if he told you |
| 20:04.31 | kergoth | ehhe |
| 20:04.40 | masticator | yeah its kind of funny being on opposite sides of the fence now |
| 20:04.59 | ljp_laptop | ha! true |
| 20:05.05 | kergoth | masticator: I'm still rather concerned with copyright on my code, given the nature of my projects |
| 20:05.18 | kergoth | masticator: for now i'm only touching existing GPL codebases, to cover my ass |
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| 20:06.15 | masticator | yay |
| 20:06.39 | masticator | whats this qtopiax launcher the opie dudes are working on |
| 20:06.47 | kergoth | qtopiax? |
| 20:06.47 | treke|laptop | qtopiax? |
| 20:07.00 | masticator | yeah supposedly the launcher is being rewritten |
| 20:07.03 | kergoth | last i heard I was the one doing the new launcher. |
| 20:07.03 | ljp_laptop | huh? whaa? |
| 20:07.19 | kergoth | and i've never herad of 'qtopiax' |
| 20:07.22 | ljp_laptop | ya, and kergoth isnt sharing the code |
| 20:07.27 | kergoth | bah |
| 20:07.28 | ljp_laptop | ;) |
| 20:07.41 | ljp_laptop | binary only taskbar |
| 20:07.43 | kergoth | the only bits i had are in opie cvs :) |
| 20:08.07 | masticator | at this point we should be thinking about completely rearchitectuing the entire gui and its foundation, not just cleaning up the launcher |
| 20:08.18 | absentiaS | I agree. |
| 20:08.36 | ljp_laptop | heh, coming from non coders.. ;) |
| 20:08.41 | kergoth | I'm not cleaning up the launcher, I'm rearchitecting it |
| 20:08.43 | absentiaS | of course, my idea of what a gui should be probably wouldn't be received well. |
| 20:08.49 | kergoth | the work there will *not* be wasted. |
| 20:09.07 | kergoth | consider this a subset of the large changes that'll happen post-1.0 |
| 20:09.13 | masticator | good, because you know what the hell the long term gaol is |
| 20:09.23 | absentiaS | what is the goal ? |
| 20:09.28 | masticator | you should touch base with mandrake and ben though |
| 20:09.33 | masticator | since they put a lot of thought into it |
| 20:09.41 | masticator | has ben forwarded you his "list" |
| 20:09.52 | kergoth | he forwarded an old version to me months ago |
| 20:09.56 | kergoth | i havent seen anything recent |
| 20:10.24 | masticator | he has a new one he worked on with mandrake |
| 20:10.25 | kergoth | if you see him, have him email me |
| 20:11.38 | ljp_laptop | zecke said he got the docstab slot working for me, but I havent checked it out yet |
| 20:13.06 | masticator | kergoth did you download your home drive from monster? |
| 20:13.09 | ljp_laptop | so maybe I can commit something to HEAD |
| 20:13.18 | masticator | do it if you havent, I have to pack up the opteron tomorrow |
| 20:13.21 | kergoth | masticator: k |
| 20:13.29 | kergoth | i think i did, but i'll double check when i get home |
| 20:13.41 | masticator | amd is going to ship us a new one in about a month |
| 20:13.41 | kergoth | ibot: seen cworth |
| 20:13.42 | | cworth is currently on #gpe (1d 7h 41m 50s) #handhelds.org (1d 7h 41m 50s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 3h 57m 31s |
| 20:13.54 | masticator | but I will have an itanium sitting there in the meantime |
| 20:14.21 | masticator | lol, its more computing horsepower than sharp japan has for deveopment |
| 20:15.32 | tgall | need horse power kergoth? |
| 20:19.33 | kergoth | the less time i waste waiting for compiles, the more time i can spend doing something productive :) |
| 20:19.49 | kergoth | only have a 1ghz athlon at home.. though this laptop is faster than it.. sad |
| 20:19.53 | kergoth | i should upgrade that old box |
| 20:20.36 | treke|laptop | why bother when masticator is going to supply power :p |
| 20:20.51 | tgall | I have a 4 way ppc box... happy to let ya on |
| 20:21.33 | tgall | not my only big box ... but it's directly on the net ... |
| 20:22.14 | kergoth | that'd be helpful |
| 20:23.15 | treke|laptop | yes. kergoth is even more productive when he spends all dies trying to build working toolchains |
| 20:23.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:24.06 | kergoth | treke|laptop: what do you think.. /usr/local/[arch], or /opt/toolchain/[arch]? |
| 20:24.22 | ljp_laptop | opt |
| 20:24.25 | ljp_laptop | ;) |
| 20:24.30 | treke|laptop | /usr/local |
| 20:24.37 | kergoth | yeah yeah we all know you're hooked on /opt/Embedix |
| 20:24.42 | tgall | kergoth: /opt/[arch] :-) |
| 20:24.45 | treke|laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.46 | ljp_laptop | wrong answer |
| 20:25.01 | kergoth | opt tends to gather the crap you didnt have a better place to put |
| 20:25.01 | ljp_laptop | ~lart treke|laptop |
| 20:25.03 | tgall | or even better ... why not just have that in a path.... |
| 20:25.05 | kergoth | in my experience |
| 20:25.15 | tgall | so it doesn't exactly matter where it is |
| 20:25.43 | ljp_laptop | how about /c/Program Files/Tool Chain/[arch] ? |
| 20:25.43 | absentiaS | well |
| 20:25.45 | absentiaS | what gets me |
| 20:25.47 | absentiaS | is that the more I install |
| 20:25.49 | kergoth | tgall: its a toolchain, it has hardcoded bits. whereever i build it, thats where it hs to go on the devs boxes |
| 20:25.50 | absentiaS | the more that seems to break |
| 20:25.52 | absentiaS | I install this library |
| 20:25.54 | absentiaS | and that other app breaks |
| 20:25.54 | TheMasterMind1 | hello |
| 20:25.55 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new |
| 20:26.04 | kergoth | hey tmm |
| 20:26.05 | absentiaS | and it's difficult to tell how to undo it |
| 20:26.10 | tgall | kergoth: yeah I know |
| 20:26.20 | absentiaS | if you have 9 working apps, and you install 1 new app, and those 9 break... what do you do to get them working again? |
| 20:26.34 | tgall | absentiaS: use more duct tape? |
| 20:26.36 | kergoth | tgall: so yeah, people will end up adding it to their paths.. or did you mean put it in the normal prefix for the build machine, /usr proper? |
| 20:26.39 | absentiaS | you'd have to uninstall the one that broke the others, then uninstall the others and then re-install those... but it still sometimes doens't work! |
| 20:26.46 | absentiaS | you have to know what those 9 DEPEND on ... and re-install that! |
| 20:26.48 | treke|laptop | absentiaS: stop using windows |
| 20:26.50 | kergoth | could be done, but then its a pain to keep it seperate from others |
| 20:26.55 | absentiaS | treke: heheheh... |
| 20:26.59 | kergoth | i.e. gcc2 vs gcc3 chains |
| 20:27.01 | absentiaS | if only this were winderz |
| 20:27.04 | ljp_laptop | I just like opt cause thats where all my dev stuff goes |
| 20:27.07 | treke|laptop | and start using a distibution people actually test |
| 20:27.11 | treke|laptop | like redhat. or debian |
| 20:27.12 | TheMasterMind1 | absentiaS: what are you talking about? |
| 20:27.17 | TheMasterMind1 | absentiaS: debian doesn't have that problem |
| 20:27.36 | kergoth | my dev stuff goes in my homedir, or /usr/src, depending on whether i gave myself enough room in my home partition :) |
| 20:27.39 | tgall | hmmm well stupid question on my part ... does the direct path to the toolchain "matter" ? short of for the PATH ? |
| 20:27.44 | kergoth | tgall: yep |
| 20:27.55 | kergoth | tgall: the default locations of crti.o, etc are locked in |
| 20:28.10 | kergoth | tgall: unfortunately |
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| 20:28.52 | tgall | kergoth: true ... not to mention if anyone uses evil things like rpath |
| 20:29.02 | tgall | seperate but related problem .... |
| 20:29.23 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:30.18 | zecke | ljp_laptop: yeah it worked here ;) |
| 20:30.57 | ljp_laptop | zecke: 0_99? |
| 20:31.16 | absentiaS | look up .... uh |
| 20:31.25 | absentiaS | deficiency at www.m-w.com |
| 20:31.46 | ljp_laptop | ~dict deficiency |
| 20:31.55 | absentiaS | no |
| 20:31.58 | absentiaS | look it up at www.m-w.com |
| 20:32.04 | absentiaS | not dump the definition here. |
| 20:32.14 | ljp_laptop | nope. not gonna |
| 20:32.19 | absentiaS | your loss. |
| 20:32.23 | ljp_laptop | bah |
| 20:33.00 | bipolar | 1 : the quality or state of being deficient : INADEQUACY |
| 20:33.00 | bipolar | 2 : an amount that is lacking or inadequate : SHORTAGE: as a : a shortage of substances necessary to health b : DELETION 2b(1) |
| 20:33.28 | absentiaS | ah |
| 20:33.30 | absentiaS | they fixed it. |
| 20:33.34 | bipolar | absentiaS: whats the big deal? |
| 20:33.35 | absentiaS | for months... there was no definition |
| 20:33.43 | bipolar | ahh |
| 20:33.44 | ljp_laptop | heh |
| 20:33.50 | absentiaS | they only had "that word is not found" and then listed several suggestions on the spelling |
| 20:33.59 | absentiaS | one of which was the same spelling, and when you clicked on it |
| 20:34.06 | absentiaS | you got "that word is not found" and got the same listing |
| 20:34.09 | absentiaS | I thought that was terribly amusing |
| 20:34.20 | absentiaS | I guess they have a system that sees missed words and they go through and fix'm. |
| 20:34.38 | absentiaS | and got tired of my spreadin' the word and having people make a run on it at their site :-) |
| 20:34.43 | absentiaS | I did save a screen shot, though. |
| 20:34.44 | absentiaS | :-> |
| 20:35.08 | absentiaS | just like I saved a screenshot when cnn used "iran" in place of "iraq" for the war.... was quite amusing. |
| 20:35.26 | absentiaS | cnn articles are notoriously bad. |
| 20:35.50 | zecke | ljp_laptop: yupp committed... you need to write a LauncherView containing the OFileSelector and then we need to rip out some DocScanning stuff... |
| 20:36.16 | kergoth | zecke: nice |
| 20:39.43 | ljp_laptop | zecke: still not working here in launcher |
| 20:40.23 | zecke | ljp_laptop: you did not add ofileselector_p.h to HEADERS in the .pro? |
| 20:41.12 | ljp_laptop | its in there |
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| 20:42.03 | TheMasterMind1 | ofileselector is done? |
| 20:42.18 | cmartin | hi all |
| 20:42.23 | kergoth | s/done/able to be used in the launcher/ |
| 20:42.24 | kergoth | hey cmartin |
| 20:42.49 | ljp_laptop | TheMasterMind1: no, just a proof of concept thingy |
| 20:43.03 | TheMasterMind1 | darn. |
| 20:43.38 | TheMasterMind1 | i'd like having ofileselctor instead of documents and have it used by all opie apps instead of each having its own open dialog |
| 20:44.00 | kergoth | the latter should already be the case, isnt it? |
| 20:44.15 | treke|laptop | opiereader uses its own |
| 20:44.36 | zecke | opie-reader |
| 20:44.47 | treke|laptop | opie-readers interface has really gone to shit lately |
| 20:44.49 | zecke | and sometimes the normal fileselector makes sense too ( opie-sheet ) |
| 20:46.50 | ljp_laptop | jI don thtink opie-reader has changed in months |
| 20:47.04 | treke|laptop | ljp_laptop: it has |
| 20:47.25 | treke|laptop | ljp_laptop: try running it now. tim redid the interface |
| 20:48.19 | ljp_laptop | oh, he got cvs access finally? |
| 20:49.00 | treke|laptop | dunno. |
| 20:49.08 | treke|laptop | I just know it changed sometime this month |
| 20:49.32 | treke|laptop | maybe last month |
| 20:49.46 | TheMasterMind1 | i personally don't like the file selector which defaults to the documents menu |
| 20:49.52 | TheMasterMind1 | but i guess thats just preference |
| 20:50.43 | treke|laptop | ljp_laptop: oliver imported it |
| 20:51.15 | ljp_laptop | ooh |
| 20:51.54 | zecke | TheMasterMind1: Document Centric idea is nice |
| 20:52.01 | zecke | if fully worked out |
| 20:52.18 | TheMasterMind1 | it could just start out in the Documents directory |
| 20:52.30 | TheMasterMind1 | though documents includes different sources |
| 20:55.17 | zecke | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.15446.png |
| 20:56.39 | ljp_laptop | thats the thing, in a document centric interface, the filesystem doesnt matter |
| 20:56.40 | TheMasterMind1 | WHOA |
| 20:56.46 | TheMasterMind1 | xchat on scap |
| 20:56.49 | TheMasterMind1 | its so awesome |
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| 21:12.44 | Twiun | re |
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| 21:15.12 | masticator | god damnned mirc had a trojan in it |
| 21:21.42 | sonix` | how do I crack WEP encryption on my Zaurus? |
| 21:22.02 | Twiun | ~lart sonix` |
| 21:22.11 | sonix` | ? |
| 21:22.13 | cyn | you walk into the building and say "check out my badass pda, I need to check my email, can someone help me out with the WEP key here?" |
| 21:22.30 | cyn | and if there's a tech type around you bet your ass he'll give it out |
| 21:22.40 | cyn | 'lemme watch tho' |
| 21:22.41 | cyn | heh |
| 21:22.49 | sonix` | bah. |
| 21:22.52 | sonix` | i can crack it myself. |
| 21:22.56 | sonix` | or so i heard. |
| 21:23.08 | cyn | you heard wrong, best to go elsewhere |
| 21:23.14 | cyn | older WEP you could |
| 21:23.27 | cyn | it'll take you days to handle the flashed firmwares on WAPs these days, with a zaurus |
| 21:23.37 | sonix` | frealz? |
| 21:23.38 | cyn | so you better go into the building anyway to get an ac outlet |
| 21:23.40 | sonix` | dizzam! |
| 21:23.54 | sonix` | there are so many open networks its stupid to do that. |
| 21:23.59 | cyn | yep |
| 21:24.05 | cyn | do starbucks/etc. even use WEP |
| 21:24.09 | sonix` | how do Hotel networks work? |
| 21:24.14 | cyn | they're generally wired |
| 21:24.16 | sonix` | starbucks use WEP? |
| 21:24.20 | sonix` | no i went to this one hotel. |
| 21:24.27 | cyn | congrats |
| 21:24.28 | sonix` | i found signal in there so i chilled in the lounge |
| 21:24.32 | sonix` | i couldnt get access tho |
| 21:24.41 | sonix` | i know i'm special. |
| 21:24.52 | cyn | i have nfc why they'd have that |
| 21:24.58 | cyn | their computers aren't laptops |
| 21:25.04 | cyn | they're like, built into the desk |
| 21:29.43 | TheMasterMind1 | what does clean + clean-sources? |
| 21:30.22 | treke|laptop | mrproper |
| 21:30.43 | TheMasterMind1 | does that work with subdirs |
| 21:31.30 | treke|laptop | yes |
| 21:31.36 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
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| 21:35.03 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:35.14 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 21:35.19 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 21:35.26 | Twiun | just got back from my board meeting :) |
| 21:35.43 | ljp_laptop | ahhhkkk! |
| 21:35.53 | ljp_laptop | nice |
| 21:35.58 | kergoth | congrats |
| 21:36.18 | Twiun | kergoth: company got formed 48 hours ago, so not all that exciting yet ;) |
| 21:36.37 | Twiun | kergoth: now going to apply for dev/research grants |
| 21:36.37 | kergoth | still |
| 21:36.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:36.41 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:36.55 | Twiun | ibot: change 99 GBP to USD |
| 21:37.14 | Twiun | that's how much it costs to form a company in the UK |
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| 21:39.10 | Twiun | but still, it's nice to be one of the people making the top decisions |
| 21:39.19 | Twiun | ... instead of having to follow meaningless orders |
| 21:39.47 | kergoth | that is cool, I hope it goes well |
| 21:40.04 | Twiun | lots of paperwork to get grants ;) |
| 21:40.35 | Twiun | and of course, I'm not actually getting paid for at least another year for this |
| 21:40.55 | kergoth | yeah, profits dont exactly roll in from day one :) |
| 21:41.13 | kergoth | you found anything till then? |
| 21:41.17 | Twiun | lol, profits? we don't even have a start capital :) |
| 21:41.33 | Twiun | I have a possibility with www.cerillion.com - interview sometime next week |
| 21:42.08 | kergoth | well hey, one step at a time, right? |
| 21:42.10 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:42.16 | Twiun | yup, definately |
| 21:42.46 | Twiun | in the meantime, bought the "building embedded linux systems" oreilly book as a good read ;) |
| 21:42.55 | Twiun | might as well expand my skills |
| 21:43.06 | kergoth | mickeyl: lol re: 'the magic word is "ad-hoc"' |
| 21:43.15 | sonix` | heh |
| 21:45.25 | treke|laptop | god bless oreilly |
| 21:45.33 | ljp_laptop | chapter 1). make 'em small chanpter 2). dont add stuff like gnome or kde |
| 21:45.44 | kergoth | speaking of oreilly, i should order the python quick reference |
| 21:45.48 | kergoth | i love their quick ref books |
| 21:46.23 | treke|laptop | keeps me from spending way too much money on books :p |
| 21:47.00 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:47.34 | treke|laptop | kergoth: http://safari.oreilly.com/ |
| 21:48.45 | kergoth | $15 a month eh? |
| 21:48.47 | kergoth | pretty cool |
| 21:48.53 | treke|laptop | I think I pay 10 |
| 21:49.42 | treke|laptop | yeah 9.99 |
| 21:50.20 | kergoth | i'll have to look into that once i'm caught up on my existing bills |
| 21:50.40 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 21:50.49 | Twiun | kergoth: that's forever the problem |
| 21:50.58 | Twiun | kergoth: still trying to keep up to date with my CC |
| 21:52.07 | kergoth | credit cards suck. |
| 21:52.15 | kergoth | I havent charged anything to mine in like 2-3 years |
| 21:52.21 | kergoth | am i anywhere near paying them off? hell no. |
| 21:55.00 | ljp_laptop | thats one of my goals for my new job. get my damn credit cards paid off |
| 21:57.40 | mickeyl | why-o-why does that fscking pcmcia module OOPS on insertion |
| 21:57.53 | mickeyl | i hate that. i want to rely on my kernel |
| 21:57.58 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 21:58.02 | TheMasterMind1 | qtopia-gnuboy doesn't build |
| 21:58.03 | kergoth | capture the oops, pipe it through a cross ksymoops |
| 21:58.04 | TheMasterMind1 | :( |
| 21:58.51 | mickeyl | kergoth: cross ksymoops didn't work for me as i need ksyms. just added ksymoops for the target system. |
| 21:58.59 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:59.06 | kergoth | you have a working pda |
| 21:59.10 | kergoth | cat /proc/ksyms > myksyms |
| 21:59.14 | kergoth | cat /proc/modules > mymodules |
| 21:59.21 | kergoth | pass those on the ksymoops commandline |
| 21:59.31 | mickeyl | hehe... shall i write them down or what? |
| 21:59.33 | kergoth | along with the vmlinux and System.map |
| 21:59.47 | kergoth | no usb cradle? |
| 21:59.55 | mickeyl | nope |
| 22:00.01 | mickeyl | simpad :)) |
| 22:00.03 | kergoth | well nevermind then, you're just hosed |
| 22:00.05 | kergoth | :P |
| 22:00.11 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:00.15 | kergoth | what about serial? |
| 22:00.19 | kergoth | rz/sz |
| 22:00.28 | Twiun | mickeyl: I thought the simpad could use ethernet? |
| 22:00.28 | mickeyl | serial works but its flaky somehow. |
| 22:00.43 | mickeyl | Twiun: ethernet yeah... but not without a fscking pcmcia module :D |
| 22:00.46 | treke|laptop | ~kill opie |
| 22:00.48 | | ACTION executes killall -9 opie |
| 22:01.02 | Twiun | mickeyl: ah, yes, that _would_ be a problem |
| 22:01.05 | mickeyl | nevermind, i now have a ksymoops for the simpad and i can feed the oops through this |
| 22:01.11 | kergoth | i miss ibot slitting someone's throat |
| 22:01.14 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:01.15 | mickeyl | lol |
| 22:01.21 | kergoth | its just not vulgar enough now |
| 22:01.30 | mickeyl | someone tamed it eh? |
| 22:01.34 | treke|laptop | at least it isnt ulix |
| 22:01.42 | treke|laptop | goddamn libqpe wont compile |
| 22:01.42 | kergoth | true |
| 22:01.50 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 22:01.56 | TheMasterMind1 | there's 10 people who want c760s now |
| 22:02.11 | sonix` | ew. |
| 22:02.16 | sonix` | link me TMM1. |
| 22:02.40 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: you didn't answer my question yesterday. i restate it: only users or also and developers ? |
| 22:02.47 | mickeyl | s/and/any |
| 22:02.54 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl: looks like mostly users |
| 22:02.57 | TheMasterMind1 | sonix`: its in the topic |
| 22:03.03 | mickeyl | mmh.... |
| 22:03.09 | TheMasterMind1 | unfortunately |
| 22:03.17 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll be getting a c750 hopefully |
| 22:03.47 | kergoth | i wouldnt throw the extra cash for a c760 personally |
| 22:03.52 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:03.59 | TheMasterMind1 | but that damn black annoys me |
| 22:04.09 | TheMasterMind1 | i wonder if the price for the c750 will go down when the c760 comes out? |
| 22:04.11 | mickeyl | i will wait until september or so when sharp europe / german decided if there will be a model here or not. if not, then i'll go for the 750 |
| 22:04.28 | TheMasterMind1 | they're waiting until september to do that?? |
| 22:04.37 | TheMasterMind1 | insanity |
| 22:04.47 | mickeyl | well... they're waiting until september to _publish_ the decision :D |
| 22:04.50 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe i should get an axim |
| 22:05.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: keep in mind you can only run linux via pocketpc.. they dont have a new bootlaoder on it yet |
| 22:05.44 | mickeyl | kergoth: heard about the start of the new bootloader LAB ? |
| 22:05.45 | TheMasterMind1 | yea thats kinda icky |
| 22:06.02 | mickeyl | kergoth: I'm pretty curious ... that would be really nice. |
| 22:06.31 | kergoth | LAB should be very cool, i idle in handhelds.org, pay attention to nontoxic workin on it |
| 22:06.41 | mickeyl | ah ok so you know already. |
| 22:06.50 | TheMasterMind1 | lab? |
| 22:06.55 | kergoth | linux as bootldr |
| 22:06.59 | mickeyl | Linux As Bootloader |
| 22:07.02 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:07.20 | mickeyl | did you read dwmws post about his XIP work? |
| 22:07.21 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 22:07.23 | TheMasterMind1 | coolness |
| 22:07.35 | mickeyl | sounds also pretty interesting imho |
| 22:08.03 | kergoth | mickeyl: yup.. an XIP patch not from some company, but from dwmw2 himself.. quite cool |
| 22:08.26 | treke|laptop | xip? |
| 22:08.33 | kergoth | eXecute In Place |
| 22:08.41 | kergoth | run shit directly out of flash |
| 22:08.55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:08.56 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 22:09.04 | treke|laptop | I thake it that is good? |
| 22:09.04 | TheMasterMind1 | RSDOOF |
| 22:09.10 | pb_ | loses compression though, presumably |
| 22:09.40 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:09.54 | pb_ | normally, that'd be a loss, since flash is much more expensive than RAM. |
| 22:09.59 | kergoth | i just got an internal reloc not fixed up on a kernel build w/ a 2.95.4 + binutils from 20030521 |
| 22:10.12 | treke|laptop | grrr |
| 22:10.26 | pb_ | what's the offending symbol? |
| 22:10.27 | kergoth | ibot: wednesday |
| 22:10.27 | | Wednesday sucks, because it is only half way through the week. |
| 22:10.29 | treke|laptop | just spent two hours on qt/opie builds when the problem was uic |
| 22:10.31 | mickeyl | 'tis the week for strange things happening |
| 22:10.39 | _Psycho | kergoth what is the file in error ? |
| 22:10.41 | james_lan | agenda had XIP-for important things like X which speeded it up considerably, but reduced the compression |
| 22:11.02 | mickeyl | my latest simpad image loses ts calibration after reboot... now don't ask me why.... 'tis the week for strange things... :( |
| 22:11.13 | kergoth | mickeyl: /etc/pointercal getting lost? |
| 22:11.30 | james_lan | I thought that was implemented directly in cramfs (oops... figured out why (jffs2 != cramfs :) )) |
| 22:11.31 | mickeyl | kergoth: the file is still there but the calibration is totally off |
| 22:11.42 | mickeyl | kergoth: recalibrating fixes... |
| 22:11.48 | treke|laptop | kergoth: maybe do XIP on the first flash partition and not on the second? |
| 22:11.49 | kergoth | odd. |
| 22:11.52 | mickeyl | yep |
| 22:11.57 | Twiun | I've got two files checked in, but not comitted, how do I erase those changes (and return to the current upstream state)? |
| 22:12.05 | mickeyl | maybe just building a new image cures it... *hope* |
| 22:12.09 | kergoth | Twiun: bk help stripdel |
| 22:12.16 | Twiun | kergoth: cheers |
| 22:12.19 | treke|laptop | bk help stripper |
| 22:12.27 | _Psycho | kergoth what file doesnt build in the kernel. getuser.S ? |
| 22:12.31 | james_lan | on the agenda stuff they had about 30MB in the 8-10MB reserved for their cramfs partition |
| 22:12.45 | kergoth | _Psycho, pb_: entry-armv.S |
| 22:12.57 | _Psycho | oh not the same one i had with gcc 3.3 |
| 22:13.04 | _Psycho | im gonna retry tonight |
| 22:13.13 | kergoth | _Psycho: you have a gcc 3.3 toolchain? what glibc ver? |
| 22:13.19 | _Psycho | 2.3.1 ? |
| 22:13.23 | _Psycho | i guess its that ;) |
| 22:13.30 | kergoth | glibc 2.3.1 doesnt compile w/ gcc 3.3 |
| 22:13.32 | kergoth | nor does 2.3.2 |
| 22:13.36 | _Psycho | well i saw it appear on the menuconfig, so i said why not ! |
| 22:13.37 | _Psycho | ah ok |
| 22:13.40 | kergoth | cvs does, thoguh last i checked cvs failed to compile as well |
| 22:13.42 | _Psycho | i should user 3.2 ? |
| 22:13.43 | pb_ | oh, I see, Dave was talking about xip for the kernel, not applications. heh. |
| 22:13.45 | _Psycho | use* |
| 22:14.11 | pb_ | kergoth: yeah, glibc HEAD still busted at present |
| 22:14.30 | kergoth | pb_: what circumstances would xip for kernel be a win? RAM constrained devices? |
| 22:15.00 | _Psycho | i do a full clean i guess :) |
| 22:15.14 | pb_ | kergoth: yep. |
| 22:15.27 | Twiun | kergoth: going to push that 2.4.19 makefile fix - greear broke it ;) |
| 22:15.37 | kergoth | Twiun: ah, k |
| 22:15.58 | mickeyl | kergoth: the serial cable for our beloved Z - is that just using some free pins in the Sharp IO connector or do they multiplex or sense USB / Serial connection somehow? |
| 22:16.09 | _Psycho | glibc 2.3.1 with gcc 3.2, i hope it work ! |
| 22:16.17 | mickeyl | s/free/dedicated |
| 22:16.26 | james_lan | btw, who is responsible for the web stuff? |
| 22:16.28 | kergoth | mickeyl: usb/serial is switched by the presence/absense of voltage on a switch pin |
| 22:16.29 | pb_ | kergoth: fr'example, some people are trying to run linux on arm machines with only 4MB of RAM. On one of those, the kernel normally eats half your memory straight off, so anything that reduces that has got to be good news. |
| 22:16.37 | kergoth | mickeyl: they cant be simultanious |
| 22:16.47 | kergoth | pb_: gotcha, that makes sense. Thanks |
| 22:17.05 | mickeyl | kergoth: aha ok. well - i maybe order one to help with 2.4.19 developing - but don't nail me on that :)) |
| 22:17.34 | treke|laptop | serial and usb on the same cradle |
| 22:17.45 | mickeyl | treke: on which moduel? |
| 22:17.47 | mickeyl | model even |
| 22:17.47 | kergoth | sharp couldve done that, w/ a switch to select |
| 22:17.50 | kergoth | but they didnt |
| 22:17.51 | kergoth | :\ |
| 22:17.53 | pb_ | treke|laptop: yeah, just needs jtag and we'd be all set. |
| 22:17.53 | treke|laptop | mickeyl: 3800 |
| 22:17.59 | treke|laptop | kergoth: no switch :p |
| 22:18.05 | treke|laptop | kergoth: it 'just works' |
| 22:18.06 | james_lan | theoretically the Z has that (minus a little $30 cable :( ) |
| 22:18.11 | kergoth | treke|laptop: thats cool |
| 22:18.32 | treke|laptop | mickeyl: I dont know if future models do that |
| 22:18.33 | kergoth | james_lan: thats what we're discussing :) the Z you cant use both simultaniously due to the way the sharp i/o connector is handled |
| 22:18.34 | pb_ | yeah. the ipaq dual cradle is handy for debugging usb drivers :-) |
| 22:18.51 | treke|laptop | kergoth: I dont know if you can use both simulatiously |
| 22:19.01 | kergoth | k |
| 22:19.02 | treke|laptop | but they both exist on the same physical cradle |
| 22:19.07 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 22:19.09 | pb_ | treke|laptop: 3900 and 5400 have the dual cradle as well. you can use usb and serial simultaneously on all ipaqs, given the right cable. |
| 22:19.18 | treke|laptop | pb_: oh? thats neat |
| 22:19.48 | kergoth | yeah, i wasnt looking forward to hacking on the sa11x0 for usb gadget stack w/o serial capability on my Z |
| 22:19.52 | pb_ | yeah, they're completely separate circuits. even on h3600 you can hack the cradle to add whichever connection is missing. |
| 22:20.22 | treke|laptop | yeah I remember people doing the modification |
| 22:20.34 | pb_ | ipaq h1900 doesn't bring serial out to the docking connector at all, so the cradle is back to usb-only for that one. |
| 22:20.36 | pb_ | not sure about 2200. |
| 22:20.49 | james_lan | limitation on hardware specifically, or drivers? |
| 22:23.52 | TheMasterMind1 | touch /home/agupta/buildroot/stamps/.gcc-2.95.binary |
| 22:23.52 | TheMasterMind1 | mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/local/arm/stamps': Permission denied |
| 22:23.52 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. |
| 22:24.13 | kergoth | uh, TheMasterMind1, the toolchain expects to install into the toolchain path you specify :P |
| 22:24.51 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:24.56 | TheMasterMind1 | i didn't tell it to build a toolchain.. |
| 22:25.48 | kergoth | yeah, you did. selecting gcc is enough. gcc will end up having hardcoded paths, so it cant simply stuff into staging and expect it to work from there |
| 22:26.06 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.09 | kergoth | unless of course thats the path you specify when building it |
| 22:26.23 | kergoth | what are you building then? |
| 22:26.50 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure why its building whatever its building |
| 22:26.55 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought gcc-2.95 was the target system gcc |
| 22:26.59 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:27.25 | kergoth | packages/gcc-2.95-arm or something or other is the target gcc |
| 22:27.37 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 22:27.39 | kergoth | havent touched that in a while, it may very well suffer from bitrot |
| 22:27.45 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:27.49 | kergoth | packages/cross-gcc/2.95 is the cross gcc |
| 22:27.53 | TheMasterMind1 | why is it building gcc-2.95 then |
| 22:27.58 | kergoth | dunno |
| 22:28.04 | TheMasterMind1 | dont' have any options enabled |
| 22:28.08 | kergoth | maybe packages/gcc-2.95-arm/Makefile defines Name to gcc-2.95 |
| 22:28.17 | kergoth | you didnt enable it? |
| 22:28.45 | lsmith | kergoth: when will you bless us again with one of your famous news updates on oz.org again? |
| 22:28.57 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: nope |
| 22:28.57 | kergoth | when there's something worth putting there :) |
| 22:29.02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: weird. |
| 22:29.23 | lsmith | "nothing to see, move along" :-) |
| 22:29.47 | kergoth | pretty much. the only news is my arrival in dallas and working for ti. nothing oz/oe related |
| 22:29.49 | mickeyl | well... some corrections to the proposed dates would be useful ;)) |
| 22:29.57 | kergoth | with the exception of oe actually compiling something now |
| 22:29.59 | kergoth | thats a good idea |
| 22:30.09 | lsmith | :-) |
| 22:30.31 | kergoth | the dates will be relative to 'when i get net access at home' |
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| 22:30.45 | kergoth | i.e. next testing release X months from when i get net access at home |
| 22:30.47 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:31.00 | Twiun | kergoth: sliding milestones are a great invention |
| 22:31.00 | mickeyl | and maybe a side note that OZ has gotten a new architecture. OpenSIMpad is now nearly ready for 1st release - we're just waiting for some kernel folks stuff and the new bootldr. |
| 22:31.18 | kergoth | Twiun: hehe, indeed |
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| 22:32.00 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i find out what config option goes with the directory gcc02.95 |
| 22:32.09 | kergoth | mickeyl: could mention the opie feature freeze / 0.9.9 branch, link to zecke's feed, .. |
| 22:32.23 | mickeyl | yeah. now we have three entries - that justifies an update :D |
| 22:32.24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ya, thats a good idea |
| 22:32.35 | TheMasterMind1 | does opie unstable have vera fonts? |
| 22:33.02 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 22:33.12 | kergoth | did anyone ever update the build steps? |
| 22:33.12 | TheMasterMind1 | err, i meant oz unstable |
| 22:33.23 | kergoth | to mention that you need to grab the vera qpfs to get the ipks to be built |
| 22:33.24 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 22:33.41 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes, vera is in opie unstable |
| 22:34.00 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 22:34.07 | kergoth | er oz |
| 22:34.09 | cyn | yah you need vera fonts to get opie to build no |
| 22:34.19 | kergoth | yep, its a dep in the config system |
| 22:34.54 | mickeyl | zecke or groucho suggested that we do vera-standard and vera-big (disjunct packages) instead of light and full - and having opie depend on standard respectively big for the c7x0 builds |
| 22:35.07 | mickeyl | i think that's a good idea. |
| 22:35.13 | mickeyl | up to 12 in standard |
| 22:35.16 | mickeyl | >= 14 in big |
| 22:35.31 | TheMasterMind1 | thats a good idea |
| 22:35.31 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:35.34 | kergoth | ipkg supports arch |
| 22:35.35 | TheMasterMind1 | seems like someone pushed some mplayer fixes |
| 22:35.36 | Twiun | kergoth, mickeyl: pushed the changes to the packages script to make sure package reconfiguration only occurs once per package |
| 22:35.40 | kergoth | we should be using it in our opie packages |
| 22:35.43 | TheMasterMind1 | beat me to it.. poor me =D |
| 22:35.48 | mickeyl | mickeyl: nice - how much faster is it now? |
| 22:35.52 | mickeyl | Twiun even |
| 22:36.04 | kergoth | Twiun: cool. it wasnt doing so before? it was supposed to, there was that string that held the currently configured packages |
| 22:36.04 | Twiun | mickeyl: probably shaves about 30s worth of recursion |
| 22:36.23 | Twiun | kergoth: I couldn't get the string to work correctly - using a temp file instead |
| 22:36.27 | mickeyl | Twiun: for each package or totally? :D |
| 22:36.28 | TheMasterMind1 | apparently ipkg saves status file even when you do functions like ipkg list |
| 22:36.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, thats a bug. is that in bugzilla? |
| 22:36.37 | Twiun | mickeyl: totally ;-) |
| 22:36.43 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: doubt it |
| 22:36.43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: someone mentioned that on #handhelds.org |
| 22:36.56 | Twiun | mickeyl: shell recursion is expensive |
| 22:36.59 | kergoth | Twiun: cool. glad to see the first boot stuff cleaned up. nice work |
| 22:37.02 | kergoth | indeed it is |
| 22:37.08 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, speaking of booting |
| 22:37.23 | TheMasterMind1 | it leaves a cursor on one line |
| 22:37.29 | TheMasterMind1 | when it moves to the next |
| 22:37.33 | TheMasterMind1 | if that makes any sense |
| 22:37.34 | Twiun | kergoth: also ripped out the percentage display - 'expr' calls were taking way too much time |
| 22:37.41 | kergoth | Twiun: i'm tempted to say screw running it in dependency order.. the chances of there being an interdependency in postinsts are slim.. |
| 22:37.44 | Twiun | kergoth: so it's package X of Y |
| 22:37.50 | kergoth | Twiun: cool, i like that |
| 22:38.01 | TheMasterMind1 | eh, there was a percentage display? |
| 22:38.03 | TheMasterMind1 | i missed that |
| 22:38.18 | Twiun | hehe, it added about 250% to the runtime |
| 22:38.19 | mickeyl | been away for a while, eh? :D |
| 22:38.22 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl: oh yea |
| 22:38.29 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: nice job |
| 22:38.47 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: well, I'd put it in, so it's a good thing I noticed it slowed everything down :) |
| 22:38.50 | kergoth | Twiun: if you're in a shell / init script mood, want to take a look at simpleinit? |
| 22:38.56 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: heh |
| 22:39.05 | TheMasterMind1 | mnnn, simpleinit |
| 22:39.10 | kergoth | Twiun: its an alternate init, quite cool, but we need a oz-base-simpleinit w/ a base set of startup scripts for it |
| 22:39.13 | kergoth | and i havent had time to write them |
| 22:39.28 | Twiun | kergoth: erm, sure, I'll read up on the docco tomorrow morning |
| 22:39.32 | lsmith | wtf? http://ken.coar.org/images/Corporate-Humour-IBM-01_640x480.jpg |
| 22:40.04 | kergoth | Twiun: let me know if you want to take a look, its really very cool, and it runs multiple startup scripts simultaniously on boot.. cuts down the boot time tremendously |
| 22:40.19 | kergoth | Twiun: gentoo uses the same type of init, but its implemented in shell, not C |
| 22:40.31 | TheMasterMind1 | really? i didn't know it went simultaniously |
| 22:40.48 | kergoth | yeah. it uses calls to 'need' to establish init script interdependencies so they dont get called in the wrong order |
| 22:41.00 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, i remember reading that part |
| 22:41.08 | TheMasterMind1 | oh right right |
| 22:41.11 | Twiun | kergoth: sounds like something interesting, I'll read up on it and let you know |
| 22:41.14 | kergoth | i still like raster's idea |
| 22:41.16 | TheMasterMind1 | so it can run two that don't need each other |
| 22:41.18 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whats that |
| 22:41.20 | kergoth | he wanted a graphical init |
| 22:41.30 | kergoth | w/ a GUI status during bootup |
| 22:41.34 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:41.35 | kergoth | and buttons to cancel the boot, etc |
| 22:41.37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:41.39 | Twiun | kergoth: mickeyl and I thought of www.bootsplash.org |
| 22:41.40 | TheMasterMind1 | that'd be kinda cool |
| 22:41.47 | Twiun | kergoth: but their patch is way too intrusive |
| 22:42.12 | kergoth | Twiun: yeah, most boot logo deals are in kernel space.. but the kernel startup is a *small* portion of boot time |
| 22:42.18 | kergoth | init makes far more sense |
| 22:42.22 | Twiun | kergoth: yeah, I noticed with 2.4.19 |
| 22:43.31 | Twiun | kergoth: yikes. ever done an ls of a mounted cf card in 2.4.19? |
| 22:43.41 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: is it good or bad |
| 22:43.42 | Twiun | kergoth: MSDOS-style filenames!?! |
| 22:43.44 | kergoth | yeah i have, when i was testing it long ago |
| 22:43.51 | kergoth | oh, it picked msdos before vfat |
| 22:43.53 | kergoth | in the mount order |
| 22:43.55 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: ah right, for some reason it uses msdos before |
| 22:43.57 | kergoth | we need to include ea /etc/filesystems |
| 22:44.06 | kergoth | familiar does, we need to follow suit on that fronmt |
| 22:44.07 | kergoth | front |
| 22:44.09 | Twiun | ok, nothing bad :) |
| 22:44.40 | pb_ | yeah, mount is dumb like that. |
| 22:44.51 | Twiun | I was thinking... wtf? |
| 22:44.58 | kergoth | oh, we need the /etc/modules.d implementation that i discussed with jamey and others via email, i think familiar already implemented it, we need to do so as well |
| 22:45.15 | TheMasterMind1 | thats what todo's usually do ? |
| 22:45.20 | Twiun | hehe, yeah |
| 22:45.22 | pb_ | familiar does indeed have the new modules.d, in 0.7 |
| 22:45.23 | TheMasterMind1 | s/\?/=D/' |
| 22:45.29 | Twiun | I've got 4 todo lists on my whiteboard |
| 22:45.32 | pb_ | I think jg broke down and implemented it in the end. |
| 22:46.02 | kergoth | i wish i had a cubicle |
| 22:46.08 | kergoth | so i could have a whiteboard on the wall |
| 22:46.12 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:46.19 | pb_ | regret taking that job yet? :-) |
| 22:46.26 | Twiun | hehe, and a live webcam of it for us lot! |
| 22:46.28 | kergoth | helll no |
| 22:46.29 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 22:46.35 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:50.07 | TheMasterMind1 | oc45 oc45 oc45 |
| 22:50.13 | treke|laptop | * kergoth chants broke! broke! |
| 22:50.19 | Twiun | oc768 oc768 |
| 22:50.29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you should check for wifi first =D |
| 22:50.37 | Twiun | yeah, wifi to the office :) |
| 22:50.53 | kergoth | i doubt i'm close enough unfortunately. damn other apartment buildings |
| 22:50.55 | TheMasterMind1 | nah, the office sucks |
| 22:51.00 | TheMasterMind1 | with their proxy and all |
| 22:51.11 | treke|laptop | kergoth: one word. Cat 5. Window. |
| 22:51.15 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 22:51.16 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:51.22 | treke|laptop | three words |
| 22:51.24 | Twiun | no line-of-sight? |
| 22:51.30 | kergoth | no line-of-sight |
| 22:51.38 | TheMasterMind1 | who needs line of sight |
| 22:51.39 | Twiun | bounce the wifi around buildings? |
| 22:51.44 | TheMasterMind1 | rig up cantenna both ends |
| 22:51.59 | kergoth | i'm way too damn lazy for that |
| 22:52.04 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 22:52.25 | Twiun | kergoth: phone 'em again in 30mins |
| 22:52.29 | treke|laptop | I'm telling you, dsl is the future |
| 22:52.30 | Twiun | leave another message |
| 22:52.44 | TheMasterMind1 | i wanna sign an NDA about something.. just so i can say i did |
| 22:52.50 | Twiun | hehe |
| 22:52.55 | kergoth | ~fishslap TheMasterMind1 |
| 22:52.57 | | ACTION slaps TheMasterMind1 up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 22:52.57 | treke|laptop | ok |
| 22:52.58 | Twiun | JTAG's the way to go, right? |
| 22:53.10 | treke|laptop | print it out and return it to me |
| 22:53.28 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:53.32 | Twiun | treke|laptop: sure... erm, what am I signing? |
| 22:53.34 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet, mplayer built |
| 22:53.46 | TheMasterMind1 | time to build a nice image with vera and what not |
| 22:53.59 | TheMasterMind1 | might as well put it up in experimental also |
| 22:54.04 | bipolar | Damn... the C760 Zaurus costs more then a laptop. |
| 22:54.04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: why not use bipolar's existing unstable gcc3 images? |
| 22:54.05 | TheMasterMind1 | err, unofficial rather |
| 22:54.15 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: cuz i have 70megs of gcc2 software on my SD |
| 22:54.17 | Twiun | treke|laptop: too much detail |
| 22:54.19 | cyn | why does everyone say that |
| 22:54.22 | treke|laptop | ok. here's a serious question for you. If you had a son with three testicles, would you have it removed? |
| 22:54.23 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:54.32 | cyn | my laptop was $666 after all rebates |
| 22:54.32 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|laptop: yes |
| 22:54.44 | Twiun | treke|laptop: get it froxen in case he gets the other two cut off |
| 22:54.47 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: although most of it i can prolly upgrade from gcc3 feed. |
| 22:54.52 | cyn | 'at best price' you can get a 760 for less than that |
| 22:54.54 | Twiun | s/froxen/frozen/ |
| 22:55.04 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: but still.. whatever happen to that compat libs thing for gcc2.. i could use that |
| 22:55.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: even the next 'gcc2' images i build will actually be gcc3 built base systems, just gcc2 qt/opie |
| 22:55.14 | kergoth | talk to mithro |
| 22:55.24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: but bipolar's is gcc3 opie right? |
| 22:55.24 | treke|laptop | kergoth: yippe :p |
| 22:55.36 | *** join/#openembedded bisho (~bisho@136.Red-213-97-191.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:55.39 | bipolar | Sams Club sells a laptop (1.2Ghz, 256MBram, 30GBHD, XGA Screen, CD/R+DVD) for ~$780. |
| 22:55.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 22:55.46 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot botmail for TheMasterMind1 talk to mithro about gcc2 compat libs |
| 22:55.55 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: Mine is OpenZaurus built with gcc3. |
| 22:56.09 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: k. did you update unstable today btw? mplayer seems to be fixed |
| 22:56.21 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:56.23 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: if you build, tell me what all is borked and i'll tinker with it |
| 22:56.30 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: the gcc3 build is going on now. gcc2 tonight, hopefuly. |
| 22:56.35 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: great |
| 22:56.50 | kergoth | wonder if there's python bindings to kconfig/LKC yet |
| 22:57.44 | bipolar | but |
| 22:57.50 | TheMasterMind1 | thats a nice laptop |
| 22:58.28 | kergoth | god my apartment is boring. i hardly even want to go home at this point |
| 22:58.33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: heh |
| 22:58.35 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:58.37 | kergoth | i should ship my tv from my house in mn down here |
| 22:58.40 | kergoth | or something |
| 22:58.42 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: get cable with the porn channels |
| 22:58.48 | kergoth | i didnt bring my tv |
| 22:58.48 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, no tv yet. damn. |
| 22:58.53 | kergoth | cause i didnt have room in my car |
| 22:58.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:58.56 | TheMasterMind1 | no broadband, no tv. |
| 22:58.57 | TheMasterMind1 | jeez |
| 22:59.00 | Twiun | kergoth: isn't this a permanent thing? |
| 22:59.07 | treke|laptop | kergoth: how long was the drive? |
| 22:59.08 | kergoth | i have a really nice queen bed i need to get too |
| 22:59.20 | kergoth | Twiun: i left every piece of furniture i owned in mn, along with my bed, tv, few other items |
| 22:59.30 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, your workout stuff |
| 22:59.31 | Twiun | kergoth: ahh |
| 22:59.33 | kergoth | Twiun: i figure i'll fly back and drive it down in a rented truck |
| 22:59.34 | TheMasterMind1 | that you just bought |
| 22:59.35 | kergoth | yeah that too |
| 22:59.40 | kergoth | like 2k of workout equipment |
| 22:59.44 | kergoth | no way in hell i can use that in my apartment |
| 22:59.48 | kergoth | hanging punching bag |
| 22:59.49 | TheMasterMind1 | and you wonder why you're broke |
| 22:59.52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:00.07 | kergoth | apartment complex has a 24/7 fitness center, but it sucks |
| 23:00.13 | kergoth | i have better equipment in mn |
| 23:00.14 | TheMasterMind1 | ergh. goddamn gcc-2.95 |
| 23:00.23 | bipolar | later all... I'm going home. ;) |
| 23:00.35 | TheMasterMind1 | CONFIG_GCC-2.95-ARM packages/gcc-2.95 packages/gcc-2.95/config.in |
| 23:00.38 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't have that enabled!! |
| 23:00.53 | Twiun | kergoth: hmmm, cf doesn't come back on resume... we probably don't unmount it on suspend, right? |
| 23:00.55 | TheMasterMind1 | wait |
| 23:00.56 | TheMasterMind1 | yes i do |
| 23:00.57 | TheMasterMind1 | damn. |
| 23:01.03 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid vim with its case sensitive searches |
| 23:01.17 | Twiun | kergoth: oh, and I just recompiled .19 - keyboard bug on resume's still there |
| 23:01.19 | treke|laptop | w000t. |
| 23:01.31 | kergoth | Twiun: with a fresh tree? hmm |
| 23:01.32 | treke|laptop | now for the part of projects I hate. |
| 23:01.35 | treke|laptop | thinking of a name |
| 23:01.38 | kergoth | Twiun: cf wont be unmounted, and shouldnt be |
| 23:02.03 | Twiun | kergoth: device not ready, something or other... error scrolled off the screen ;) |
| 23:02.13 | kergoth | fun |
| 23:02.25 | Twiun | kergoth: hard to read because the frontlight doesn come back either |
| 23:02.44 | kergoth | er, i thought beattie committed the bl/fl value save across suspend/resume? |
| 23:03.12 | Twiun | maybe I've forgotten to throw something into the image? |
| 23:04.40 | Twiun | actually, cardmgr calls './ide suspend hda' |
| 23:04.48 | kergoth | the ide suspend/resume doesnt do anything |
| 23:04.51 | kergoth | the scripts i mean |
| 23:04.58 | Twiun | oh, right |
| 23:05.30 | Twiun | "hda: status timeout: status=88 { busy }\nhda: drive not ready for command" |
| 23:06.06 | *** join/#openembedded _ibz (~ibz@host217-39-16-118.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 23:06.12 | Twiun | hey _ibz |
| 23:06.18 | kergoth | hey _ibz |
| 23:06.29 | _ibz | hola! |
| 23:07.05 | _ibz | long time...sounds like there's been a lot of actitivity going on.. |
| 23:07.10 | _ibz | kergoth: congrats on the job. |
| 23:07.25 | _ibz | Twiun: you started yet? |
| 23:07.30 | kergoth | have i mentioen |
| 23:07.41 | Twiun | _ibz: nope, not yet :) |
| 23:07.44 | kergoth | blah |
| 23:07.54 | kergoth | have i mentioned how much i hate the 2.4.x PM subsystem yet today |
| 23:07.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:08.00 | Twiun | lol |
| 23:08.11 | Twiun | it's starting to dawn on me too |
| 23:08.25 | TheMasterMind1 | pm is fun |
| 23:08.35 | kergoth | Twiun: its completely flat. take a look at the sound drivers that cant have their bits setup on resume until the ucb1x00 core code has had its bits fired up |
| 23:08.42 | kergoth | Twiun: talk about a fucking nightmare |
| 23:08.51 | Twiun | argh |
| 23:09.06 | kergoth | in fact, a stock 2.4.x kernel calls the resume events in the samke order as the suspend events |
| 23:09.11 | kergoth | not in reverse order like it should |
| 23:09.15 | kergoth | just a joke. |
| 23:09.22 | Twiun | right, I'm going to leave it at that for tonight and get some sleep - need my beauty sleep to look at simpleinit :) |
| 23:09.33 | kergoth | night, i'll hack on 2.4.19 once i have net access at home |
| 23:09.39 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:09.48 | Twiun | cool, I'll try to learn enough to join you |
| 23:09.55 | kergoth | kernel coding is fun |
| 23:09.58 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:10.30 | _ibz | you need net access for kernel coding? think twice, commit code once! |
| 23:10.37 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
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| 23:11.01 | Thelonius | arrg |
| 23:11.05 | kergoth | yeah yeah, and w/ bk its even easier |
| 23:11.11 | kergoth | you have a local repos to commit changes into |
| 23:11.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:11.22 | kergoth | but not having net access makes a great excuse |
| 23:11.29 | kergoth | so stop raining on my parade, damn you |
| 23:11.31 | _ibz | hehe |
| 23:12.36 | Twiun[Zzzzz] | kergoth: Whoa! it's possible to suspend during the boot |
| 23:13.08 | _ibz | Twiun[Zzzzz]: g'nite. |
| 23:13.41 | pb_ | kergoth: know of any work to allow use of the xscale performance counters in linux? |
| 23:14.04 | kergoth | Twiun[Zzzzz]: heh, thats how they do the battery switch |
| 23:14.31 | kergoth | Twiun[Zzzzz]: in the init function in arch/arm/mach-sa1100/collie.c, if on bootup the switch state is off, it suspends immediately |
| 23:14.34 | Thelonius | anyoe know of any good ipaq/pocket pc mini keyboards/thumboards? |
| 23:14.46 | kergoth | pb_: havent heard of any |
| 23:15.10 | pb_ | okay. maybe I'll try writing some. |
| 23:15.39 | pb_ | might make a good stick to beat the gcc2 users with :-) |
| 23:17.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:18.35 | pb_ | shame the performance measurement isn't a bit more powerful, but hey. |
| 23:21.29 | _ibz | net_recv_urb: CRC32 failed len: 62 fcs: 3cdcd60f |
| 23:21.36 | _ibz | that make any sense to anyone? |
| 23:21.58 | _ibz | my z isn't recognising my mmc card anymore for some reason.. |
| 23:24.10 | Thelonius | which chans are the pocket pc hardware ones? |
| 23:30.45 | treke|laptop | anyone see anything wrong with NoteType OutlineItem::noteType (void) |
| 23:30.47 | treke|laptop | { |
| 23:31.19 | treke|laptop | nm. seems to be scoping |
| 23:35.15 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 23:35.18 | TheMasterMind1 | has konq changed lately? |
| 23:36.16 | bipolar | damn computers |
| 23:36.25 | bipolar | they are conspiring to keep me at work |
| 23:36.47 | bipolar | I hate fsck'ing windows |
| 23:37.38 | TheMasterMind1 | i hate fscking ext3. |
| 23:37.39 | bipolar | updating this POS laptop that's got tray icons that take up half the taskbar and hasn't had windows update run since 1999. |
| 23:38.17 | bipolar | you can just tell that a manager owned this thing |
| 23:38.36 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:39.14 | bipolar | it's a P3 500mhz with 256MB of ram and it feels like its a 386 |
| 23:45.47 | masticator | have you seen openpda.com yet? |
| 23:46.00 | masticator | we had better damn well trademark OpenEmbedded |
| 23:48.23 | Neo|Work | hmm, a TT thing |
| 23:48.31 | *** join/#openembedded Xumbi (~Xumbi@h004005aff8ef.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 23:48.48 | Neo|Work | well, among others |
| 23:49.04 | bipolar | hey.... I suguested we use openPDA, but someone told me it might be used for more then PDA's. :) |
| 23:49.56 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.nvmax.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?num=1054747425 |
| 23:50.03 | TheMasterMind1 | looks like LordDavon got the hookup |
| 23:50.40 | ljp_laptop | openpda is a metroweks thing |
| 23:53.13 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:53.14 | TheMasterMind1 | no libusb |
| 23:53.33 | bipolar | does anyone here have commit privs to buildroot? |
| 23:54.18 | Neo|Work | ljp_laptop: not only |
| 23:54.23 | Neo|Work | ljp_laptop: TT is in there |
| 23:54.36 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: ye |
| 23:54.38 | TheMasterMind1 | s |
| 23:55.16 | masticator | The 750 is a decent performing unit. |
| 23:55.31 | masticator | however Japan hasnt yet commited to producing it for the US market yet. |
| 23:55.52 | masticator | the US division is still in shitty shape, they lost a lot of folks. |
| 23:56.26 | Neo|Work | hmm |
| 23:56.37 | Neo|Work | seems like they finally have a J2ME compliant JVM |
| 23:56.49 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: libsdl-image needs fixing. libSDL_image-1.2.so.0.1.2 is now libSDL_image-1.2.so.0.1.3 |
| 23:57.05 | masticator | yeah they went with the Sun JVM |
| 23:57.09 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: so all the "install xxxxxx" lines in the makefile need to be fixed |
| 23:57.10 | masticator | its slow |
| 23:57.11 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: in debian? |
| 23:57.12 | masticator | klunky |
| 23:57.19 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: ok, lemme do that |
| 23:57.22 | TheMasterMind1 | fixing libusb atm |
| 23:57.35 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: no. It builds, but the created file names have changed. |
| 23:57.45 | Neo|Work | masticator: when isn't java slow? :-)) |
| 23:57.49 | bipolar | IE6 SUCKS!!! |
| 23:57.53 | masticator | yeah, but this is slower than jeode |
| 23:57.55 | bipolar | ~lart IE6 |
| 23:58.28 | Neo|Work | masticator: still, I can see why they would go for an actual J2ME implementation |
| 23:58.49 | Neo|Work | it's very benefitial in that it's the standardized 'embedded java platform' |
| 23:58.49 | masticator | well actuall its CDC+PersonalProfile |
| 23:58.55 | masticator | a bit larger than J2ME |
| 23:59.02 | masticator | its the replacement for PersonalJava |
| 23:59.03 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, just mrpropered libsdl |
| 23:59.07 | TheMasterMind1 | -image |
| 23:59.45 | masticator | the 750 performs well, but even so they didnt optimize the code |
| 23:59.57 | masticator | it still runs on fundamentally the same crap as the 5500 and 5600 |
