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| 00:31.13 | absentiaS | ok |
| 00:37.38 | absentiaS | anyone here good with xfree86 config? |
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| 01:07.22 | ljp_laptop | oh, rerun |
| 01:07.27 | chouimat|tv | ljp_laptop: tv or your dream? |
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| 01:20.02 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:20.28 | treke|laptop | good question |
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| 01:20.47 | kergoth | hey the guy in IT says I'll get my laptop tomorrow |
| 01:20.55 | kergoth | still no cubicle.. but one step at a time |
| 01:20.56 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:20.58 | treke|laptop | getting a laptop/ |
| 01:21.49 | kergoth | treke|laptop: yeah, TI issues laptops rather than desktops |
| 01:21.53 | kergoth | pretty smooth. |
| 01:22.16 | treke|laptop | kergoth: smooth |
| 01:23.03 | Neo|Work | TI seems to have some nice ideas about work |
| 01:23.13 | Neo|Work | i.e laptops so you can, if you wish, work at home once a week or so |
| 01:25.50 | ljp_laptop | or, work from Cabo San Lucas |
| 01:28.00 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: which model? |
| 01:28.06 | chouimat|tv | bye Neo|Work |
| 01:28.42 | treke|laptop | an HP laptop? |
| 01:31.19 | chouimat|tv | ROTFL!! one of my friend just learned that he must made his laptop compatible with the company operating enviroment ... he must install ME, an next they want to put ME on his sun servers |
| 01:31.43 | ljp_laptop | probablhy somethinng with TI chips that cant run linux |
| 01:32.09 | kergoth | IT's even doing the linux install, and including a vmware license to run windows to interoperate |
| 01:32.15 | kergoth | dont know what model |
| 01:32.44 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: good you will have fun |
| 01:33.58 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: is the 2.4.18 collie SD driver in buildroot? |
| 01:34.08 | kergoth | I'm going to forward the email that goes to my TI addy out to my handhelds.org address, w/ a procmail filter to bounce any outlook/exchangy things back to the exchange account |
| 01:34.17 | kergoth | then i can avoid outlook use in most cases |
| 01:34.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:34.22 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: nope |
| 01:34.26 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: k |
| 01:34.32 | treke|laptop | kergoth: evolution isnt too bad |
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| 01:43.38 | TheMasterMind1 | whats up |
| 01:44.05 | kergoth | trying to get a shell function written for applying a patchset using patcher for the new buildsystem |
| 01:44.17 | kergoth | right now it can fetch, and extract files, but cant do patch application |
| 01:45.59 | kergoth | readline() on closed filehandle DIFF at /home/kergoth/oz/gatekeeper/scripts/patcher line 808. |
| 01:46.08 | treke|laptop | hrmmm. what am I doing wrong |
| 01:46.29 | treke|laptop | my app is apparently putting qt into an infinite lopp |
| 01:48.37 | ljp_laptop | oh nice |
| 01:49.25 | treke|laptop | yes |
| 01:49.28 | treke|laptop | I'm good at that |
| 01:50.22 | kergoth | hmm, i dont think patcher likes perl 5.6.1 |
| 01:50.50 | kergoth | well, the patcher oeclass seems to function for the most part, i'll merge it w/ base once its stable enough |
| 01:50.54 | kergoth | i'm goin home |
| 01:51.28 | ljp_laptop | flex hours are nice |
| 01:55.36 | beattie | kergoth: has anybody anything with the 2.4.19 kernel in the past few weeks? I still can't get the serial console to work and am hopeing somebody has done it and can give me a clue |
| 01:55.55 | treke|laptop | hes gone |
| 01:56.09 | beattie | darn |
| 02:03.56 | TheMasterMind1 | what is the simplest image file format.. one which i could easily open up a c program and read rgb values for each pixel |
| 02:04.24 | norculf | some kinf of bitmap |
| 02:04.35 | TheMasterMind1 | i tried bmp, its a pain in the ass |
| 02:05.13 | norculf | but an image library should give you that kind of access to png or whatever |
| 02:05.17 | treke|laptop | TheMasterMind1: how so? |
| 02:06.44 | treke|laptop | other than the minor annoyance the windows bitmaps are written backwards |
| 02:07.19 | TheMasterMind1 | decoding the header and using the rgb table thats in the header looks painful |
| 02:07.49 | chouimat|tv | TheMasterMind1: look nah it's painful |
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| 02:10.57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, ppm seems nice |
| 02:11.52 | chouimat|tv | http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/9534/pippi/name.htm |
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| 02:13.40 | chouimat|tv | http://www.modestypanel.com/SorSE/# |
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| 02:31.29 | chouimat|Zzz | night |
| 02:45.49 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 02:45.50 | TheMasterMind1 | go ppm |
| 02:55.22 | chouimat|Zzz | TheMasterMind1: try to find the book "Graphics file format" I have the second edition (1995) it's good |
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| 03:20.27 | ljp_laptop | my cat likes to sit on my mouse |
| 03:29.32 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone have a recent oz rom? |
| 03:32.30 | beattie | TheMasterMind1: I think I have 3.2 |
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| 03:34.03 | TheMasterMind1 | 3.2 is on the website no? |
| 03:34.06 | TheMasterMind1 | i want something newer |
| 03:34.11 | TheMasterMind1 | hopefully with vera fonts =D |
| 03:34.21 | treke|ho1e | 3.2 is the latest |
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| 04:46.01 | treke|ho1e | hmmm. bat/me picks up the pin and stabs tgall with it |
| 04:46.13 | tgall | ouch! |
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| 06:06.40 | mickeyl | morning |
| 06:10.19 | treke|laptop | morning |
| 06:15.29 | treke|laptop | hrmm. the fricken slot is *right* there |
| 06:47.23 | treke|laptop | w00t |
| 06:47.26 | treke|laptop | things are working |
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| 07:09.17 | mickeyl | cmartin: moin |
| 07:09.29 | cmartin | mickeyl: moin |
| 07:18.11 | mickeyl | cmartin: i unuglyfied the "first boot" script. rebuild oz-base and have a look if you want |
| 07:18.38 | mickeyl | don't forget to rm /etc/.configure or it won't think its first boot |
| 07:22.23 | cmartin | mickeyl: i'm building a new image anyway i'l bk pull again |
| 07:23.08 | cmartin | mickeyl: your last image in your experimental directory doesn't boot since PCMCIA is built as a module |
| 07:23.34 | cmartin | mickeyl: sorry, it does boot but PCMCIA doesn't work |
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| 07:31.08 | cmartin | mickeyl: why are there 2 hostap_modules packages in output/ipkgs? one seems to be made from the kernel and the other from packages/hostap |
| 07:31.24 | mickeyl | cmartin: tell me both filenames |
| 07:33.08 | cmartin | mickeyl: i have to rebuild packages/kernel-simpad - erased both files and only rebuilt hostap - make image tells me it's missing the hostap file (the one from simpad-kernel) |
| 07:33.21 | mickeyl | cmartin: hostap isn't in the standard kernel. 2002-bla is just old and 0.0.3 is new. del the old one manually (caution: ipk thinks vice-versa!) |
| 07:34.16 | mickeyl | rebuilding hostap may also help |
| 07:34.23 | mickeyl | kergoth updated that |
| 07:36.03 | Twiun | mornin' |
| 07:36.10 | mickeyl | morning Twiun |
| 07:36.57 | Twiun | unuglyfied? |
| 07:38.56 | mickeyl | Twiun: just did what you recommended - i erased the lower 4 lines of the picture and then set the cursor appropriately so that the status report comes up in the pre-configured region :D |
| 07:40.19 | mickeyl | have a look @ banner-simpad |
| 07:40.29 | mickeyl | pretty simple, but it improves the look on first boot. |
| 07:40.33 | Twiun | oh, and here I thought you'd gone and stripped by beautiful progress code ;) |
| 07:40.44 | mickeyl | naaaw - wouldn't dare to touch that :) |
| 07:42.49 | Twiun | lol |
| 07:43.03 | Twiun | I suppose I'd best get back to my kernel hacking :( |
| 07:59.32 | cmartin | mickeyl: ok, i only have 0.0.3 in ipks but make image (or better ipkg) says it wants output/ipks/hostap-modules_2002-09-12-7_simpad.ipk |
| 08:01.41 | mickeyl | cmartin: hmmm... very strange. let me check |
| 08:02.26 | mickeyl | cmartin: works fine here. did you do clean your image? |
| 08:06.16 | cmartin | mickeyl: how do you clean an image? |
| 08:06.40 | mickeyl | make clean |
| 08:06.56 | mickeyl | or from the topdir make image_clean |
| 08:07.48 | cmartin | k |
| 08:08.51 | killefiz | mickeyl: your image works fine for me |
| 08:09.12 | cmartin | killefiz: and PCMCIA? |
| 08:09.39 | cmartin | mickeyl: thanx, that worked |
| 08:09.41 | mickeyl | killefiz: good. |
| 08:09.46 | mickeyl | :) |
| 08:10.02 | mickeyl | killefiz: did have time to play around with opie-button-settings yet ? |
| 08:10.19 | killefiz | cmartin: hmm - pcmcia works too. It doesn't survive a suspend-resume cycle though. |
| 08:10.50 | killefiz | mickeyl: not really - i looked at it - using the combinations to start applications seems very confusing to me |
| 08:11.24 | cmartin | mickeyl: another question - why is there a /lib/modules/kernel and a /lib/modules/2.4.19-rmk7-jpm2 directories in rootfs? |
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| 08:14.35 | cmartin | mickeyl: and another on - which module/s in make image_menuconfig create ds.o, pcmcia_core.o and sa1100_cs.o - those links are dead in my rootfs and since pcmcia is compiled in their not necessary as modules |
| 08:15.57 | cmartin | killefiz: did you try logging in to opensimpad.org as admin? if so read the bottom of my mail for your login name |
| 08:16.22 | mickeyl | killefiz: well - it is an option. you don't have to use the combinations if you find them too cumbersome. |
| 08:19.09 | mickeyl | cmartin: orinoco-drivers write themselv to lib/modules/bla/kernel |
| 08:19.37 | mickeyl | cmartin: that may be an error... have to ask kergoth on that |
| 08:21.53 | mickeyl | cmartin: ds.o etc. i also have those dead links... hmm... strange |
| 08:23.09 | mickeyl | shouln't hurt though if its compiled in |
| 08:25.04 | killefiz | cmartin: not yet - i'll do that tomorrow |
| 08:32.01 | cmartin | killefiz: oh - somebody tried logging in as admin this morning at 8 |
| 08:32.59 | cmartin | killefiz: maybe since you posted to the ML that typo3 is behind the site someone thought he could give it a try |
| 08:35.17 | killefiz | sorry |
| 08:35.27 | killefiz | i'm usually asleep at 8 ;) |
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| 09:08.39 | Twiun | glibc takes such a bloody long time to build |
| 09:14.49 | cmartin | mickeyl: coole Lösung mit dem ersten Bootscreen!! |
| 09:21.05 | cmartin | killefiz: i recieved a presentation from juergen about the porting plans from 2002 - it was from a linux conference in Switzerland - he said i should take information from that for the HP |
| 09:21.39 | cmartin | killefiz: sounds like juergen and walti are very keen on the idea of making opensimad.org the main Linux for SIMpad HP |
| 09:22.46 | killefiz | cmartin: good news |
| 09:26.05 | killefiz | i'm creating a website with typo3 right now - i like it much better than plone which i tried earlier |
| 09:29.32 | cmartin | killefiz: i'm sorry i couldn't give you access to the template stuff at opensimpad.org, but that is reserved for admins in typo3 and since i maintain different domains there i can't make you admin :( |
| 09:30.08 | cmartin | killefiz: but you can nearly do everything other than that though |
| 09:31.01 | schurig | mickeyl: do you have a *.png/*.jpg version of your bootlogo? |
| 09:31.36 | cmartin | killefiz: if you need any help with extensions and stuff, try typo3.org (Extensions) or typo3forum.de - nice sources for configuration information ;) |
| 09:31.55 | Twiun | schurig: there's a .pnm one in the buildroot |
| 09:31.58 | killefiz | i'm using the docs on typo3.org mainly |
| 09:33.02 | killefiz | should it ever become necceccary we could move the site over to a different server with a dedicated typo3 installation |
| 09:34.31 | cmartin | killefiz: oh that would be no problem to move it to a dedicated typo3 instance on the same serve - the server owner is a friend of mine |
| 09:38.37 | schurig | Twiun: I just find packages/oz-base/sysvinit/bootlogo-simpad.gz |
| 09:39.05 | schurig | killefiz: is killefiz.de made with typo3? |
| 09:42.13 | schurig | cmartin: i tried typo3 the other day, because people in opie agreed that the current opie websites aren't sooooo good |
| 09:42.53 | schurig | cmartin: making contents seemed to be quite easy, however I haven't had any experience with template stuff, hope this isn't too complicated |
| 09:43.31 | killefiz | schurig: no |
| 09:43.38 | killefiz | i'm thinking about moving it there |
| 09:44.08 | schurig | cmartin: I found a bug on opensimpad.org. On the links page Opie is written as OPIE, but it is now officially Opie :-) |
| 09:46.12 | cmartin | schurig: ok, change has been made - so much for easy content changing in typo3 ;) |
| 09:46.32 | schurig | cmartin: yeah, I agree. Almost like a wiki |
| 09:46.42 | schurig | cmartin: btw: is there a wiki extension for typo3? |
| 09:47.19 | schurig | cmartin: how long took it for you to set this up? from reading quickstart.pdf to website? |
| 09:48.19 | cmartin | schurig: nope, but there is a way of making backend users that can only edit in the frontend |
| 09:48.46 | Twiun | schurig: sorry, .ppm packages/kernel/ |
| 09:49.20 | mickeyl | schurig: yes, hold on, i'll give you an URL |
| 09:49.46 | schurig | cmartin: too bad. A wiki allows anymous access, even without a backend user |
| 09:50.23 | cmartin | schurig: yes, but wiki sites usually look pretty messy because of that |
| 09:50.53 | cmartin | schurig: not all anonymous users know how format things well |
| 09:51.12 | schurig | cmartin: I agree. Still, the basic rendering/templating could be done via typo3. Hmm, maybe I write an extension :-) |
| 09:51.32 | cmartin | schurig: you could do that |
| 09:52.13 | schurig | cmartin: so, how did it take for you from beginning to website? |
| 09:54.21 | mickeyl | schurig: don't have the png handy - it's on my laptop. I think we should put this somewhere up on opensimpad.org if I'm home tonite |
| 09:54.32 | cmartin | schurig: well i did set it up at home in about an hour, but if you want all the functionality (e.g. imagemagick etc.) it may take you longer. My hoster set it up for me, so i can't say how long the opensimpad site took. |
| 09:55.48 | killefiz | schurig: installing typo3 is easy - you'll need gd with freetype, a recent php, mysql and imagemagick ... creating your first site will take you a couple of hours of reading though |
| 09:55.51 | cmartin | from template to finished site it took me about 5 hours of design work and i continue to change things ever sonce ;) |
| 09:56.02 | cmartin | s/ since |
| 09:56.16 | schurig | mickeyl: Russel answered to your mail |
| 09:57.43 | cmartin | schurig: the hardest part is decideing how you want to make your template - completely in "Typoscript" or partly with HTML-Template and partly with Typoscript |
| 09:57.49 | schurig | cmartin: hmm, I HAVE typo3 running, even with good ImageMagick Support. It's still teir quickstart website. I did not mean that. From what I see, it look like you adapted the templaces to have your specific opensimpad look. I just wanted to know how long it take for you ... or did you use some pre-defined template? |
| 09:57.57 | mickeyl | schurig: just seen it. he did treat me nice :) as for the "patch expected"... hmm... we'll see. that audio crackling thing however is pretty annoying as we seem to be stuck here. |
| 09:58.33 | schurig | wow is my typing bad |
| 09:58.34 | cmartin | schurig: no pre-defined template |
| 09:59.22 | cmartin | schurig: i didn't even install the quickstart site |
| 09:59.32 | schurig | cmartin: did you start with dummy? |
| 09:59.37 | schurig | (the empty site) |
| 09:59.38 | cmartin | schurig: no |
| 10:00.05 | cmartin | schurig: started only with a login - no example site |
| 10:01.23 | cmartin | schurig: i then made a static HTML page - stripped out the content areas and put in markers - then i defined the markers with typoscript in the setup area of the template |
| 10:02.12 | killefiz | schurig: Try "modern template building part1" on typo3.org - it helped me a lot |
| 10:02.47 | cmartin | schurig: i'll second that |
| 10:03.21 | cmartin | schurig: there are even some videos there that show step for step how templating is done |
| 10:03.54 | schurig | cmartin: thanks for the tips. I'll look into that. I could be the case that I will make a typo3 page for our company sometime and a demo-typo3 for the various opie web sites. |
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| 10:04.06 | schurig | cmartin: i had the ideas because typo3 allows multi-language. |
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| 10:04.57 | cmartin | schurig: haven't ever played around with that, but it's there of course |
| 10:05.37 | schurig | cmartin: i played with it a little bit. Just made some example-test-only objects |
| 10:22.38 | mickeyl | schurig: what is QT_QWS_DEVFS for? can't find it Qt/E 2.3.4 |
| 10:25.24 | schurig | mickeyl: we're on Qt 2.3.5. see packages/qte/devfs.patch |
| 10:26.09 | mickeyl | ah that patch is in buildroot, not opie |
| 10:26.12 | schurig | mickeyl: it patches various places in Qt 2.4.5 embedded to access devfs-style /dev entries |
| 10:26.45 | mickeyl | schurig: i see. i wonder why it isn't define in linux-ipaq-g++... |
| 10:26.49 | schurig | mickeyl: sure, it's an Qt patch. In opie/mkspecs/qws/linux-g++-ramses (or whatever) I set -DQT_QWS_DEVFS, too |
| 10:27.02 | mickeyl | probably because treke forgot |
| 10:27.29 | mickeyl | schurig: and QT_QWS_CUSTOM? you define it in ramses also |
| 10:27.56 | schurig | mickeyl: I dunno. I guess they would have put it in in yet-another QT_QWS_IPAQ_HXYZ style.However, devfs stuff is not hardware-specific, it's a feature that many devices could use. And so I made it extra in OZ/qte |
| 10:28.11 | mickeyl|lunch | good |
| 10:28.11 | mickeyl|lunch | bbl |
| 10:28.25 | schurig | mickeyl|lunch: forgot that, but QT_QWS_CUSTOM came with unpatched-Qt |
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| 10:41.21 | TheMasterMind1 | beh |
| 10:41.25 | TheMasterMind1 | where do i get mplayer ipks? |
| 10:41.39 | TheMasterMind1 | fast |
| 10:45.17 | cmartin | bbl - going to lunch |
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| 12:05.53 | schurig | mickeyl: tslib gets now installed before hardware-patches: |
| 12:05.55 | schurig | series applied .txt missing qte234-for-opie091-gfxraster |
| 12:05.57 | schurig | series applied .txt missing qte234-for-opie091-listview |
| 12:05.59 | schurig | series applied .txt missing qte234-for-opie091-makefile |
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| 12:06.09 | schurig | series applied .txt missing qte234-for-opie091-style |
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| 12:06.13 | schurig | series applied .txt missing compile |
| 12:06.15 | schurig | series applied .txt missing devfs |
| 12:06.17 | schurig | series applied .txt missing tslib |
| 12:06.19 | schurig | series applied .txt missing ramses-config |
| 12:06.21 | schurig | series applied .txt missing keyboard |
| 12:06.23 | schurig | series applied .txt missing ramses |
| 12:06.54 | schurig | btw: there was no need for me to change tslib.patch in any way (not even "patcher -r"). |
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| 13:10.22 | absentiaS | re |
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| 13:55.22 | mickeyl | schurig: ok - thanks. |
| 13:55.31 | mickeyl | started to work 7:30 today - going home now. bbl |
| 13:56.09 | kergoth | hey |
| 13:56.16 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 13:57.08 | Twiun | I put my .6 stuff on hold, going to give a .19 kernel+image a try |
| 13:57.37 | kergoth | cool |
| 13:58.04 | Twiun | anything grossly broken or just bits todo? |
| 13:58.14 | kergoth | note that tslib wont recognize that you're on collie, but on 2.4.19. you'll likely want to edit /etc/profile.d/tslib.sh to ensure the type is UCB1x00, not COLLIE |
| 13:58.29 | kergoth | someone needs to make the collie tslib.sh adapt to uname |
| 13:58.32 | kergoth | simple fix |
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| 13:59.50 | Twiun | cool |
| 13:59.57 | Twiun | I should be able to cope with that |
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| 14:12.42 | chouimat | morniing |
| 14:13.01 | ljp_laptop | hi |
| 14:14.39 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: try that http://www.modestypanel.com/SorSE/ |
| 14:17.03 | ljp_laptop | heh |
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| 14:29.03 | cmartin | hi, had to do some work for a change ;-) |
| 14:29.18 | chouimat | me too |
| 14:29.18 | mickeyl | schurig: now the simpad patch no longer applies *sigh* |
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| 14:29.36 | carsten | re |
| 14:30.25 | schurig | mickeyl: that is to be expected. patcher -f -i ../../packages/... should help you. |
| 14:30.33 | cmartin | mickeyl: what do you mean the simpad patch no longer applies |
| 14:30.36 | schurig | mickeyl: then fix the reject, do a patcher -r and copy the patch back to ../../packages |
| 14:31.01 | mickeyl | schurig: mmh... so now i really must learn patcher? |
| 14:31.13 | schurig | cmartin: in OZ/packages/qte/{tslib,simpad}.patch is a conflict |
| 14:31.33 | cmartin | schurig: since when? |
| 14:31.46 | cmartin | schurig: worked until yesterday |
| 14:32.10 | schurig | hmm, this brings an idea to me... |
| 14:32.31 | schurig | I added some stuff to tslib.patch, but I could do this in ramses.patch now that I changed the order of them... |
| 14:32.47 | mickeyl | schurig: i have another idea |
| 14:33.05 | mickeyl | schurig: your tslib patch doesn't touch qkeyboard_qws but just qmouse_qws right? |
| 14:34.25 | schurig | mickeyl: right |
| 14:34.29 | mickeyl | schurig: good. then i will eliminate the non-tslib patch to qmouse_qws from the simpad patch. |
| 14:34.40 | mickeyl | cmartin: okay? |
| 14:35.26 | schurig | mickeyl: in other words: you move all tslib-related stuff from simpad.patch to tslib.patch? That would be ok. |
| 14:35.54 | mickeyl | schurig: no. i will eliminate it. it was the _non_tslib ucb1x00 stuff which is conflicting |
| 14:35.58 | joejoeMcgee | does anyone know of a computer hobbyist club, or some other way that a person interested in tinkering with embedded computers could get parts for less then the outragous prices companies charge for samples? |
| 14:36.18 | schurig | mickeyl: and now simpad uses tslib? |
| 14:36.21 | mickeyl | schurig: yeppa |
| 14:36.21 | kergoth | schurig, mickeyl: support for new hardware types in tslib will likely be accepted upstream for inclusion in tslib cvs.. |
| 14:36.44 | mickeyl | kergoth: no patches necessary for me. the standard tslib ucb1x00 works fine with simpad# |
| 14:36.45 | kergoth | schurig: oh, do you know if patcher works with perl 5.6.1, or only 5.8.0? |
| 14:36.52 | kergoth | mickeyl: cool |
| 14:36.55 | schurig | kergoth: hmm, russel once told me who was in possession of the tslib cvs... |
| 14:37.10 | schurig | mickeyl: ok, then get rid of it ... |
| 14:37.13 | kergoth | schurig: folks over at montavista. i've spoken with them before to get the collie and corgi support up there |
| 14:37.35 | schurig | kergoth: it works with 5.6.1 (because that's what i have). I guess it works with much older perl's as well, I'm using plain boring stuff |
| 14:37.44 | bipolar | hiya kergoth |
| 14:37.54 | bipolar | kergoth: hows work going? |
| 14:38.18 | schurig | kergoth: nico? |
| 14:38.25 | kergoth | schurig: hmm, its failing saying the patch is already applied when it isnt, in my 5.6.1 on this redhat build box |
| 14:38.33 | kergoth | schurig: which is annoying, because i'm working on the patcher oeclass |
| 14:38.35 | kergoth | :\ |
| 14:39.16 | schurig | kergoth: hmm, really? Dry patch --dry-run -p1 <patch and look what happens. When patcher has a problem htne usually it's because patch has a problem |
| 14:39.17 | mickeyl | schurig: btw. - patcher really is more picky than before. it used to continue if it detects already applied patches. it no longer does since a few weeks. |
| 14:39.29 | kergoth | schurig: patch applies fine manually |
| 14:39.33 | kergoth | schurig: weird eh? |
| 14:39.50 | kergoth | yeah that fail when its already applied is an annoying little bug |
| 14:39.57 | schurig | kergoth: increase debug level. Then you see whic commandline options I send to patch. Maybe something on this line is weird. |
| 14:40.06 | mickeyl | d'oh. still doesn't apply. now that is weird... |
| 14:40.19 | kergoth | schurig: k |
| 14:40.34 | cmartin | mickeyl: ok with me - as long as we have tslib, we no longer need the qwsmouse_qws patched |
| 14:40.42 | schurig | mickeyl: cd packages/qte; patcher -f -i ../../packages/qte/simpad.patch |
| 14:40.49 | schurig | mickeyl: now, watch where you get rejects. |
| 14:41.01 | mickeyl | didn't update the opie sources :D |
| 14:41.33 | mickeyl | man is this hot today |
| 14:41.33 | schurig | mickeyl: hä? Which one is the last successfully applied patch? |
| 14:41.35 | mickeyl | can't think |
| 14:42.52 | mickeyl | schurig: nm - t'was my fault... I didn't update the patch after ripping out the mouse stuff... patch applies now but i get a configure error... must patch qt Makefile to support linux-simpad-g++ |
| 14:43.16 | schurig | mickeyl: good :) |
| 14:43.24 | chouimat | mickeyl: build you uclibc toolchain? |
| 14:43.38 | kergoth | eh, you shouldnt have to patch the qt makefile |
| 14:43.39 | mickeyl | chouimat: no. no energy to do that now. i left that for someone else |
| 14:43.40 | kergoth | it obeys configs/ |
| 14:43.50 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 14:44.24 | mickeyl | kergoth: hmm.. can't we get it to use opie/mkspecs/config ? |
| 14:45.03 | mickeyl | all these patching... why don't we just include qt-2.3.5 with our patches into the opie cvs? KDE is doing that |
| 14:45.06 | schurig | mickeyl: I think we should make Qt less dependend on opie, not more. Why don't you do it like the other hardware platforms? |
| 14:45.27 | kergoth | schurig: qmake isnt opie, qmake is independent. we just include it in the cvs tree for convenience |
| 14:45.38 | mickeyl | yeah yeah |
| 14:45.38 | kergoth | mickeyl: doesnt qt 2.3.5 use tmake, not qmake? |
| 14:45.41 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 14:45.44 | mickeyl | too hot |
| 14:47.42 | kergoth | schurig: i was thinking, we should add a new envflag 'exec' for whether a var is executable.. in other words, whether it gets output as a function format or var format, instead of using a case check (.lower()) |
| 14:47.53 | kergoth | schurig: (oe.py -> env[]) |
| 14:48.03 | kergoth | s/\(/(re: /; |
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| 14:51.00 | absentiaS | python |
| 14:56.12 | mickeyl | who remote locked openzaurus.bkbits.net? stand up! :D |
| 14:56.31 | Twiun | 'twasn't me! |
| 14:57.13 | mickeyl | hmm.... trying... trying... trying... |
| 14:57.40 | mickeyl | seems our repository also feels too hot today |
| 14:57.43 | mickeyl | *sweat* |
| 14:58.20 | Twiun | stop saying that... each time you do my temp goes up by a whole 1C |
| 14:58.26 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:59.11 | cmartin | mickeyl: don't want to make you mad, but i'm sitting in an air-conditioned office ;-D |
| 14:59.38 | mickeyl | grrr... now i am envious |
| 14:59.44 | mickeyl | ~lart cmartin |
| 15:00.05 | mickeyl | however, i'm at home and not in my damn office :D |
| 15:00.47 | cmartin | cmartin feels the warm blood running down his cold body |
| 15:01.11 | mickeyl | kergoth: just posted my first message to arm-linux-kernel and didn't get flamed! now that is quite an achievement for a kernel-newbie :)) |
| 15:01.35 | mickeyl | (not to confess that i read all three years of archives before doing so...) |
| 15:02.11 | kergoth | congrats :) |
| 15:02.28 | mickeyl | kergoth: and even better... rmk admitted a bug in his code ! |
| 15:02.50 | mickeyl | however, in the same sentence he said he expects a patch from me ... errr... |
| 15:05.02 | Twiun | lol |
| 15:07.13 | bipolar | ooohhhh.... |
| 15:07.36 | Twiun | how dare they?!?!? |
| 15:08.47 | chouimat | mickeyl: clean your patch then :) |
| 15:09.01 | Twiun | and with matching modules this time! |
| 15:09.07 | chouimat | Twiun: ? |
| 15:09.25 | Twiun | chouimat: last time I flashed .19 onto my Z, I forgot to update the modules from 2.4.6 |
| 15:09.42 | chouimat | Twiun: 500d? |
| 15:09.54 | Twiun | chouimat: 5000d ;) |
| 15:10.24 | chouimat | Twiun: sorry I spend the last 3 weeks onn bsd |
| 15:10.24 | mickeyl | chouimat: well... cleaning wouldn't be a problem if i actually _had_ that patch :-D i just identified the problem... being faaaar away from a patch |
| 15:10.29 | bipolar | Twiun: this means I can slowly switch the users here at the office from windows to Linux and they will never know it... heheheh |
| 15:10.46 | chouimat | mickeyl: hehe |
| 15:10.49 | Twiun | bipolar: crossover office? |
| 15:11.00 | bipolar | Twiun: we don't use MS Office any more :) |
| 15:11.11 | bipolar | Twiun: we use only OpenOffice.org |
| 15:11.22 | Twiun | bipolar: already past that stage? good grief, you're moving fast! |
| 15:11.38 | bipolar | Twiun: Yep... the cash we saved was a huge incentive. |
| 15:12.02 | bipolar | Twiun: there is only one app that keeps me from switching everyone, and it's being worked on by our vendor. |
| 15:12.16 | Twiun | bipolar: what's that? |
| 15:12.56 | mickeyl | bipolar: next time you update the feed please reenable sharp-camera-support. i had a lot of requests for that |
| 15:13.18 | mickeyl | users going crazy because they thought sharp did take that binary only module from us... |
| 15:13.19 | bipolar | mickeyl: ok |
| 15:13.22 | mickeyl | thanx |
| 15:13.38 | bipolar | Twiun: it's software for the security industry |
| 15:13.45 | Twiun | bipolar: ok |
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| 15:13.52 | chouimat | good I finally made it! |
| 15:13.54 | Twiun | kergoth: One brick, coming up! |
| 15:14.10 | kergoth | bipolar: how are things getting disabled like that? you should be using a defconfig that enables everything that builds. |
| 15:14.15 | bipolar | Twiun: it's very specific. built with delphi an uses Sybase SQL server. |
| 15:14.15 | kergoth | Twiun: having fun? |
| 15:14.34 | bipolar | kergoth: it was not enabled when I built. :\ |
| 15:14.41 | Twiun | kergoth: flashed .19 and initrd... charing light won't come on and nor will the screen :/ |
| 15:14.50 | mickeyl | reset ? |
| 15:15.03 | kergoth | Twiun: full reset after flashing |
| 15:15.04 | Twiun | mickeyl: like it was going out of fashion... no pulse |
| 15:15.09 | kergoth | Twiun: it starts booting immediately after full reset |
| 15:15.10 | mickeyl | hmmm |
| 15:15.15 | kergoth | Twiun: it doesnt pay attention to the battery switch state |
| 15:15.43 | chouimat | i now have a guard cat |
| 15:15.44 | Twiun | kergoth: just tried reflashing - no lights |
| 15:16.32 | Twiun | kergoth: and doesn't go into diag mode wither |
| 15:16.38 | Twiun | s/wither/either |
| 15:17.43 | Twiun | popped the battery out and back in... display lit up on the package reconfig screen |
| 15:18.08 | kergoth | odd |
| 15:18.29 | Twiun | kergoth: kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k jedec_probe, errno = 2 |
| 15:18.37 | Twiun | kergoth: and same error for cfi_probe |
| 15:19.09 | Twiun | and things about no valid RAM disk image starting at 0 |
| 15:19.12 | kergoth | did it mount the rootfs? |
| 15:19.22 | Twiun | still installing the packages |
| 15:19.37 | kergoth | k |
| 15:19.39 | Twiun | this beastie's still the slow 5000d :) |
| 15:20.24 | Twiun | yeah, rootfs is mounted |
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| 15:21.14 | Twiun | hmmm, no usb networking? |
| 15:22.01 | kergoth | oh, i forgot about that. its usb-ether, not usbd |
| 15:22.07 | kergoth | if you use usbnet, it'll work |
| 15:22.17 | kergoth | though i dont remember if we have the hotplug stuff, you may have to bring up usbf manually |
| 15:22.26 | Twiun | hmm |
| 15:22.31 | Twiun | ok |
| 15:22.56 | Twiun | aha. it can't find the modules dir |
| 15:23.05 | Twiun | hence no CF card |
| 15:23.28 | Twiun | wtf? |
| 15:23.52 | Twiun | I made sure it was a clean image, but the modules still got stuck in a 2.4.6 subdir |
| 15:23.54 | chouimat | usb-ether? |
| 15:26.05 | Twiun | ... and lots of unresolved symbols when depmodding. |
| 15:26.16 | Twiun | I reckon those are still the 2.4.6 modules |
| 15:26.27 | Twiun | not the 2.4.19 ones in the wrong dir |
| 15:26.52 | kergoth | ls output/ipks |
| 15:27.09 | kergoth | i'd remove the 2.4.6 ipks, make image_clean, then make image again |
| 15:27.22 | bipolar | Twiun: are you testing the 2.4.19 kernel? |
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| 15:27.42 | Twiun | bipolar: testing is a big word :) |
| 15:28.02 | Twiun | bipolar: giving it a go - as it doesn't have the same keyboard issues as the .6 one |
| 15:28.45 | bipolar | Twiun: cool. Let me know how it works. I might start using it with my gcc3 feed if it's useable. :) |
| 15:28.57 | Twiun | bipolar: it boots :) |
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| 15:30.15 | kergoth | bipolar: its not currently used for a reason. I dont want it exposed to the general public until it has the minor issues ironed out |
| 15:30.17 | bipolar | Twiun: well, at least it does that. ;) |
| 15:30.23 | kergoth | bipolar: and i'd consider its use in a gcc3 image exposure. |
| 15:30.46 | bipolar | kergoth: um.... ok |
| 15:31.18 | Twiun | kergoth: so the syntax error in the 2.4.19 makefile is intentional? |
| 15:31.25 | kergoth | uh, no. |
| 15:31.30 | kergoth | it should build |
| 15:31.38 | kergoth | if it doesnt build, thats a bug |
| 15:31.40 | Twiun | missing semicolon last I checked... |
| 15:31.44 | kergoth | but that doesnt mean i want it in a release. |
| 15:31.45 | kergoth | so fix it. |
| 15:31.48 | Twiun | could've been fixed since then :) |
| 15:31.52 | kergoth | I havent touched buildroot in weeks |
| 15:31.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:32.00 | kergoth | with the exception of the ltrace compile fix |
| 15:32.11 | Twiun | and I thought it was done to prevent a general release :) |
| 15:32.30 | cmartin | does anyone know if XFree is being maintained by anyone in buildroot? |
| 15:33.26 | kergoth | cmartin: mallum was managing it |
| 15:33.36 | kergoth | cmartin: but i dont know if he's doing maintainance going forward. ask him |
| 15:33.48 | kergoth | cmartin: prpplague mentioned he may want to hack on the X packaging as well |
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| 16:37.59 | mickeyl | schurig: your qte-makefile fix for me broke opie linking against tslib. fixed that. bk pull |
| 16:47.22 | mickeyl | schurig: btw., put the SIMpad bootlogo online in png format - if you want to have a look: http://opie.net.wox.org/simpad/screenies/bootlogo.png |
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| 16:47.36 | mickeyl | hi treke |
| 16:47.37 | SuKoShi | anyone knows this : http://hpclab.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn/~skyeye/eng/index.html |
| 16:48.02 | mickeyl | awaken enough for a question? (i hate people talking to me when I didn't drink one cup of coffee yet, that's why i'm asking :D |
| 16:48.43 | schurig | hehe |
| 16:48.44 | Twiun | SuKoShi: Ooooo |
| 16:49.22 | SuKoShi | Twiun: interesting, isn't it? |
| 16:50.15 | Twiun | SuKoShi: certainly has potential |
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| 16:54.45 | fishy | does OZ run fine on the c750? |
| 16:58.47 | kergoth | fishy: send me one and i'll tell you |
| 16:59.32 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: hehe |
| 16:59.57 | fishy | LOL |
| 17:00.07 | treke|laptop | mornin kergoth, mickeyl |
| 17:00.12 | fishy | noone has tested OZ under the 750 yet? |
| 17:00.23 | chouimat|busy | fishy: we don't have one yet |
| 17:00.27 | fishy | I see |
| 17:00.29 | chouimat|busy | hey treke|laptop |
| 17:00.35 | treke|laptop | fishy: send me a 750 and I will |
| 17:00.39 | fishy | bah |
| 17:00.49 | fishy | Im gonna buy a 750 (today) |
| 17:00.54 | fishy | FOR MYSELF ;) |
| 17:01.50 | chouimat|busy | SuKoShi: one day? |
| 17:02.04 | SuKoShi | chouimat|busy: yes, for sure. |
| 17:02.28 | SuKoShi | chouimat|busy: my wife is going back in october... hope i'll have enough money then. |
| 17:03.11 | SuKoShi | chouimat|busy: i've got a friend who get there on sunday, he found me the remote control for C700 :) |
| 17:03.12 | chouimat|busy | SuKoShi: i hope for you |
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| 17:06.44 | pb_ | hi kergoth |
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| 17:07.20 | kergoth | re |
| 17:07.25 | cyn | SuKoShi: remote control for c700???? |
| 17:08.16 | SuKoShi | cyn: yeah, for the media player |
| 17:08.25 | cyn | coolies |
| 17:08.26 | SuKoShi | it seems that nobody knows it exists |
| 17:08.33 | SuKoShi | even sharp doesn"t mention it |
| 17:08.36 | cyn | I had heard something about one for 5500/5600 |
| 17:08.43 | cyn | i didn't know it was also compat w/ c700 |
| 17:08.51 | SuKoShi | the one doesn't work for B500/5600 |
| 17:08.52 | cyn | so do 'they' know if it's also 750/60 |
| 17:08.56 | cyn | ah |
| 17:09.03 | SuKoShi | it is simple |
| 17:09.10 | SuKoShi | go to the debug menu |
| 17:09.22 | SuKoShi | and you'll see the hardware test related to this remote controller |
| 17:09.24 | cyn | seems like 750/760 is just hardware bugfixing on cache and ram/flash |
| 17:09.31 | SuKoShi | check out on a 5600, there is not |
| 17:09.36 | cyn | ah |
| 17:09.38 | SuKoShi | moreover, i used to try with my B500 |
| 17:09.43 | SuKoShi | and it didn't work |
| 17:09.50 | SuKoShi | thereafter, my dog eat the remocon |
| 17:10.08 | cyn | haha doh |
| 17:10.35 | SuKoShi | you can buy the remocon from conics.net |
| 17:10.50 | SuKoShi | just ask him and tell that i tell you to ask him |
| 17:11.00 | SuKoShi | (the retail price is around 4000yens) |
| 17:11.47 | mickeyl | treke|laptop: it would be nice if you could add the orinoco+spectrum modules to the next openipaq incarnation.... can't get wlan connectivity otherwise :D |
| 17:13.23 | treke|laptop | mickeyl: they are there |
| 17:13.45 | mickeyl | in the image? |
| 17:14.04 | treke|laptop | should be |
| 17:14.11 | mickeyl | strange. didn't work for me |
| 17:14.14 | mickeyl | checking |
| 17:15.12 | mickeyl | hmm... they installed under a false directory |
| 17:15.24 | treke|laptop | huh? |
| 17:15.24 | mickeyl | ./lib/modules/kernel/drivers/net/wireless |
| 17:15.37 | mickeyl | instead of /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/kernel/drivers/net/wireless |
| 17:16.08 | mickeyl | treke: might be a bug in buildroot. happened to me for the SIMpad image also |
| 17:19.06 | mickeyl | treke: also, depmod gives a segmentation fault. |
| 17:22.32 | mickeyl | kernel oops on serial console |
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| 17:27.13 | tmbinc | hi |
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| 17:31.55 | kergoth | jeeze checking out buildroot takes a bit over a slow wifi connection |
| 17:32.05 | kergoth | need to make use of csetprune and clean out some of the old crap |
| 17:33.12 | mickeyl | hehe - well that's what i call motivation :D |
| 17:33.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:34.48 | Thelonius | what up kergoth |
| 17:35.05 | Thelonius | kergoth, are you builind on/for the c700 yet? |
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| 17:46.38 | cyn | um |
| 17:46.56 | cyn | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700/ ? |
| 17:47.15 | cyn | or do you mean does he have a new build coming soon? |
| 17:47.56 | Thelonius | cyn, i was just curious on performance gains |
| 17:48.17 | Thelonius | and the performance differences between the sl-5500 and sl-c700 |
| 17:53.15 | treke|laptop | kergoth: laptop? |
| 17:53.24 | kergoth | performance gains? |
| 17:53.27 | kergoth | this is a pxa250 |
| 17:53.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:53.34 | kergoth | treke|laptop: yeah, got it |
| 17:53.47 | treke|laptop | there is a big performance gain between the sl-5500 and the sl-c700 |
| 17:53.55 | treke|laptop | just not in the direction you are expecting ;p |
| 17:54.58 | cyn | less ram [at best configuration], buggy processor, I'd wager it is in the direction I expect |
| 17:59.11 | pb_ | did anybody ever find any useful benchmarks of pxa255 vs pxa250 vs sa1110? |
| 18:01.04 | cyn | 2 : 1 : 1.5 |
| 18:01.06 | cyn | is that useful |
| 18:01.18 | cyn | hollon lemme wash that a sec, it smells a little like where it came from |
| 18:01.19 | pb_ | no, but thanks anyway |
| 18:01.33 | cyn | that would be nice to see though, I agree |
| 18:02.07 | cyn | kergoth: "I don't care what traffic goes through my firewall as long as it's on port 80" situation eh? |
| 18:02.39 | kergoth | yeap |
| 18:06.39 | kergoth | hrm |
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| 19:03.30 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: I don't have an appartment for the 1rst of july |
| 19:04.39 | bipolar | I bet that with cygwin I could set windows SHELL to a bash script that uses an init style startup that calls explorer anyway... heh... |
| 19:04.45 | bipolar | useless, but cool. |
| 19:04.48 | bipolar | :p |
| 19:08.35 | kergoth | bleh |
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| 19:26.57 | Twiun | lol, I keep forgetting that .19 ignores the switch :) |
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| 19:57.41 | Thelonius | cyn, you still here? |
| 19:58.31 | Thelonius | would openembedded (c7x0 format) run well if compiled for the traditional SA2006mhz processor? |
| 19:58.56 | kergoth | Thelonius: gcc2 built images are optimized for strongarm.. gcc2 didnt support xscale optimizations |
| 19:59.04 | kergoth | Thelonius: but the answer is yes, itd run fine |
| 19:59.53 | cyn | also: cyn doesn't know half as much as he'll make it look like, but he doesn't state assumptions without indicating - and I'm not heavy enough into coding to say jack about it that's for sure |
| 20:04.58 | Thelonius | kergoth, what i am trying to do is convert my old Pocket PC SA206 into a Zaurus c7000 style pda |
| 20:05.40 | Thelonius | it is costing me about 50 dollars to make a clear plexiglass casing, but i don't know how i would properly implement a keyboard |
| 20:06.21 | cyn | wait are you repackaging it into a clamshell shape |
| 20:06.28 | Thelonius | yep |
| 20:06.49 | cyn | good luck, that's some fine machining/sizing |
| 20:07.29 | Thelonius | already have it covered |
| 20:07.40 | cyn | cool |
| 20:07.58 | cyn | is it all cut plexiglass or did you get some fancy kit that lets you form it etc. |
| 20:08.00 | cyn | that'd be plastic i spose |
| 20:08.02 | Thelonius | an old teammate owns a plastics/acrylic moulding company |
| 20:08.18 | cyn | man that's f'ing tight |
| 20:08.28 | Thelonius | hopefully |
| 20:08.28 | cyn | I would love to have access to that heh |
| 20:08.48 | cyn | prototypes cost like $2k and more, just simple stuff |
| 20:10.37 | Thelonius | heheh, but now i am worrying about getting a keyboard working |
| 20:10.50 | cyn | yeah that'll be some working |
| 20:11.24 | Thelonius | on the only opie for the ipaqs, did they ever get those snapon keyboards working ? |
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| 20:25.58 | Speedy2 | Hey kergoth. |
| 20:26.29 | kergoth | bipolar: yep |
| 20:26.43 | bipolar | kergoth: heh... sounds like youve done it. ;) |
| 20:27.16 | bipolar | grrrr... no point if someone else has done it. :p |
| 20:29.27 | bipolar | looks like I'll be installing cygwin on all the workstations here at work, along with X and sshd. :) |
| 20:31.22 | beattie | kergoth: has anything happed with the 2.4.19 kernel in the past few weeks? I never did get the serial console working and an hopeing somecody can loan me a cleu |
| 20:31.33 | kergoth | beattie: nah nothing's been done on that front |
| 20:31.53 | beattie | thats what I figured |
| 20:32.03 | bipolar | heh... this is sureal |
| 20:32.32 | bipolar | bfl-windows:~$ uptime |
| 20:32.32 | bipolar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.47 | bipolar | something disturbs be about doing that. |
| 20:32.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:34.55 | Speedy2 | bipolar: There are plenty of Cugwin hosted cross-compilers. eCos ships with one, but you'll have to cross-compile the Linux libraries I suspect. |
| 20:36.00 | TheMasterMind1 | hello |
| 20:37.06 | Speedy2 | Hi/ |
| 20:37.22 | bipolar | Speedy2: thats the cool thing. buildroot does that, if it will run. |
| 20:37.34 | TheMasterMind1 | hows the land of oe/z doing |
| 20:37.37 | kergoth | bipolar: i've patched bits here and there for the cygwin build |
| 20:37.47 | kergoth | bipolar: but a *lot* of the tools still need tweaking for that |
| 20:37.50 | kergoth | i never finished it |
| 20:37.59 | bipolar | kergoth: my guess is that not a lot of people would use it. |
| 20:38.12 | Speedy2 | bipolar: I see. Building cross-compilers, esp for OS stuff has always been messy, it's nice when someone else does the work for you :) |
| 20:38.37 | kergoth | s/someone else does/scripts do/ |
| 20:38.38 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:41.04 | TheMasterMind1 | so whats the deal with mplayer |
| 20:41.12 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar, kergoth: can i update unstable |
| 20:41.24 | TheMasterMind1 | can i, permission wise, and may i |
| 20:41.29 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: mplayer just would not build, didn't dig as to why |
| 20:41.55 | TheMasterMind1 | are the permissions on the Packages file etc still screwed? |
| 20:43.16 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: the feed was just updated on the 30th, and I was going to do another build tomorrow. What do you have? |
| 20:43.33 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: i was just going to fix mplayer and anything else that isn't building |
| 20:43.49 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: did you get mplayer to build? |
| 20:43.55 | TheMasterMind1 | if you're going to do one tommorow though thats fine. i'll just push to bk |
| 20:44.06 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: not yet.. do you know what else didn't build? |
| 20:44.14 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: libsidplay needs to get working with gcc3. |
| 20:44.43 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: but libsidplay is probbly an upstream issue that noone here can fix. |
| 20:44.56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: who was setting up those compat libs so we could use gcc3? |
| 20:45.11 | kergoth | ummmm mithro did a shell script app loader |
| 20:45.12 | bipolar | it would be better if xmms simply did not depend on libsidplay |
| 20:45.44 | mickeyl | remove that dependency |
| 20:45.50 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: hmm ok. |
| 20:46.23 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: is the config you used in bk? |
| 20:46.54 | bipolar | bipolar: basicly, yeah. defconfigs/collie-opie_gcc3 or something like that. |
| 20:47.13 | bipolar | that was for TheMasterMind1 |
| 20:47.25 | kergoth | of course that is a minimal package set.. |
| 20:47.30 | bipolar | right |
| 20:47.30 | TheMasterMind1 | what about the gcc2 build that you put into unstable |
| 20:47.38 | TheMasterMind1 | what config did you use for that |
| 20:47.49 | kergoth | collie_feed i would think, eh? |
| 20:47.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:47.52 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: I used defconfig then added the other stuff. |
| 20:48.01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: heh, i've been out of the loop for a while |
| 20:51.00 | TheMasterMind1 | ./config.in:110: syntax error, unexpected T_IF, expecting T_EOL |
| 20:51.01 | TheMasterMind1 | ./config.in:111: invalid menu option |
| 20:51.01 | TheMasterMind1 | that sucks |
| 20:51.14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: make -C scripts/kconfig clean |
| 20:51.19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you _have_ been out for a while, eh |
| 20:51.22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :) |
| 20:51.26 | TheMasterMind1 | indeed |
| 20:53.15 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 20:53.17 | TheMasterMind1 | so many packages now |
| 20:55.41 | TheMasterMind1 | up to nine people on the c7x0 group buy |
| 20:58.40 | mickeyl | hopefully also some developers and not only users? |
| 21:20.27 | Thelonius | TheMasterMind1, how much is the price for the group buy? |
| 21:20.53 | TheMasterMind1 | Thelonius: look at the link in the topic. $550 for c750 and $629 for c760 i think it is.. plus $19 shipping |
| 21:21.02 | TheMasterMind1 | $663 for c760 |
| 21:21.19 | TheMasterMind1 | or $490 for c700 |
| 21:21.33 | Thelonius | what is the difference between the c7x0's/ |
| 21:25.23 | mickeyl | Sugar: What is 550 UKD in EUR |
| 21:25.49 | mickeyl | now if i could remember that currency acronymes... |
| 21:26.00 | mickeyl | Sugar: What is 550 USD in EUR |
| 21:26.02 | Sugar | 550 US$ is 467.5 EUR |
| 21:26.17 | mickeyl | that's a steal |
| 21:27.05 | killefiz | plus 16% sales tax |
| 21:27.07 | Twiun | mickeyl: hrm... atm, I think I'd rather go for something a wee bit more practical for that kind of money |
| 21:27.24 | Twiun | mickeyl: I'll most likely buy a server of some kid |
| 21:27.25 | mickeyl | Twiun: really? that would be like... what? |
| 21:27.27 | Twiun | s/kid/kind |
| 21:27.39 | mickeyl | Twiun: ah ok - well that's a bit more practical, yeah :) |
| 21:27.49 | mickeyl | but you can't take that with you or can you? |
| 21:28.02 | Twiun | mickeyl: probably a mini-itx pc methinks |
| 21:28.54 | Twiun | I'm keen on getting a fanless box in here |
| 21:29.07 | Twiun | give my pc a bit of a rest |
| 21:29.25 | Twiun | oh, and cool my room down :) |
| 21:33.17 | kergoth | hrm |
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| 21:35.33 | ljp_laptop | blah |
| 21:35.38 | kergoth | blah. |
| 21:36.31 | tronical | blah! |
| 21:36.55 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 21:37.21 | mickeyl | wellwellwell |
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| 21:40.05 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 21:40.41 | ljp_laptop | why does this do that? |
| 21:42.34 | kergoth | bleh |
| 21:42.49 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_laptop: because that does it |
| 21:44.01 | ljp_laptop | I guess |
| 21:44.23 | ljp_laptop | I need to spend a few hours downloading a newer kde I think |
| 21:45.42 | TheMasterMind1 | grrr |
| 21:45.46 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.4.6 pisses me off |
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| 21:45.59 | TheMasterMind1 | time to setup a 2.4.18 oz rom |
| 21:46.00 | kergoth | dont use it then |
| 21:46.04 | kergoth | hey drw |
| 21:46.12 | drw | hi kergoth |
| 21:47.33 | ljp_laptop | ya, we need that sd |
| 21:47.54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: grab the sd module from the v3 sharp rom and stuf fit into buildroot in the sdmmc package |
| 21:48.25 | ljp_laptop | oohh.. |
| 21:48.42 | ljp_laptop | why doesnt firebird know about the good fonts like vera..? |
| 21:49.02 | kergoth | probably wasnt built w/ freetype/xft support |
| 21:49.04 | kergoth | or something |
| 21:49.08 | treke|laptop | because vera sucks. |
| 21:49.16 | kergoth | ~lart treke|laptop |
| 21:50.01 | ljp_laptop | *sigh* I guess I need to compile firebird also... |
| 21:50.14 | treke|laptop | as does firebord |
| 21:50.17 | treke|laptop | bird |
| 21:50.45 | kergoth | anyone bothered trying the alpha source of thunderbird? |
| 21:50.57 | treke|laptop | why bother. we've already got mutt |
| 21:50.58 | ljp_laptop | is that the emailer? |
| 21:51.15 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:53.19 | chouimat|busy | ljp_laptop: I'm quitting Quebec City at the end of the month |
| 21:53.31 | treke|laptop | chouimat|busy: congratulations |
| 21:53.47 | chouimat|busy | treke|laptop: I'm going back to my mother's house :( |
| 21:53.58 | kergoth | chouimat|busy: ack :( |
| 21:54.11 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: she's in Switzerland :) |
| 21:54.51 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: but I'm will be in La Pocatieree (about 150 km east of Quebec City) .... in other word an hole :( |
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| 21:55.18 | ljp_laptop | grrrr |
| 21:55.38 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: but since I won't pay any rent .... I will be able to find a job anywhere in the world :) |
| 21:57.00 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 21:58.44 | ljp_laptop | chouimat|busy: where are you going? |
| 21:59.28 | mickeyl | there used to be a ipkg-files script which displayed the files in an ipkg - where has this gone? |
| 21:59.34 | chouimat|busy | la poocatiere a little hole 150 km east of quebeec city :( |
| 21:59.44 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 21:59.58 | kergoth | ~$ cat .bashrc|grep ipkgfiles -A3 |
| 21:59.58 | kergoth | ipkgfiles () { |
| 21:59.58 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.58 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.58 | kergoth | } |
| 22:00.00 | ljp_laptop | cant ipkg do that? |
| 22:00.01 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:00.04 | chouimat|busy | ljp_laptop: my mother's house |
| 22:00.09 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg can't do anything |
| 22:00.10 | ljp_laptop | ahhh |
| 22:00.16 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah well, thanks |
| 22:00.23 | kergoth | np |
| 22:00.34 | TheMasterMind1 | you know we should do |
| 22:00.43 | TheMasterMind1 | make an ipkg fund.. get money together to pay someone to work on ipkg |
| 22:00.48 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:00.50 | chouimat|busy | ljp_laptop: can't have an appartment here so I'm moving back there (ttemporary) and I will try to find a job elsewhere |
| 22:01.00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we'd get so many donations |
| 22:01.02 | mickeyl | kergoth: can you figure out why the orinoco-modules install into /lib/modules/kernel/bla instead of /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/bla ? |
| 22:01.17 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: exactly |
| 22:01.29 | TheMasterMind1 | btw, if someone can get a list of current ipkg bugs together somehwere i'll submit to bugzilla |
| 22:01.35 | mickeyl | KERNEL_VERSION is given to make but apparently no longer honored... used to work |
| 22:01.37 | TheMasterMind1 | wiki is probably a good place |
| 22:01.55 | kergoth | mickeyl: hmm. is KERNEL_VERSTR defined in your kernel-version file properly? |
| 22:02.33 | mickeyl | kergoth: yes it is. |
| 22:02.41 | mickeyl | kergoth: this happened to my build and trekes h3600 build |
| 22:02.58 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:02.59 | kergoth | k |
| 22:03.17 | kergoth | mickeyl: you know offhand how to run a cvs pserver checkout through a http proxy? |
| 22:03.23 | kergoth | mickeyl: doing builds from work is a pain :) |
| 22:03.39 | mickeyl | kergoth: ouch... can't help there sorry |
| 22:03.49 | mickeyl | proxys suck |
| 22:03.54 | kergoth | that they do |
| 22:03.54 | mickeyl | but are necessary |
| 22:04.09 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 22:05.16 | chouimat|busy | ljp_laptop: I don't want to go back there :'-( |
| 22:05.31 | ljp_laptop | I know how you feel |
| 22:06.30 | chouimat|busy | ljp_laptop: but I won't pay anything beside for the adsl :) |
| 22:06.54 | ljp_laptop | nice |
| 22:07.19 | chouimat|busy | ljp_laptop: the problem is there nothing to do there .... |
| 22:08.14 | chouimat|busy | bah! Quebec City is only 150km away ..... |
| 22:08.27 | mickeyl | kergoth: nm the orinoco stuff - i think i got it |
| 22:08.36 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: do a google for cvs pserver proxy |
| 22:08.53 | mickeyl | kergoth: installation was messed up - maybe a bogus bk merge b0rke that. fixed that |
| 22:08.55 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: i did. there arent shit for options |
| 22:09.09 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: theres one http proxy patch for cvs that was never merged into mainline, from 1999. |
| 22:09.13 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: you search what? |
| 22:09.36 | kergoth | chouimat|busy: search trying to figure out how to do a cvs pserver checkout through a http proxy |
| 22:10.08 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: you still believe in santa claus? |
| 22:10.49 | treke|laptop | kergoth: ssh port forwarding |
| 22:10.50 | treke|laptop | ? |
| 22:11.10 | ljp_laptop | maybe we could get a ssh tunnel going with cvs |
| 22:11.46 | mickeyl | fix bkpushed. |
| 22:12.13 | treke|laptop | kergoth: http://www.nocrew.org/software/httptunnel.html |
| 22:15.07 | kergoth | treke|laptop: not a bad idea, though i'd have to set up one httptunnel client for every cvs server i need to get to, and then alter the Sources var of every cvs :pserver: line to reference the local port |
| 22:15.09 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl: what'd you push? |
| 22:15.11 | kergoth | treke|laptop: heh :\ |
| 22:15.22 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl: what'd you fix in orinoco |
| 22:15.24 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: orinoco modules didn't install into the correct path |
| 22:15.46 | TheMasterMind1 | ah ok |
| 22:15.47 | treke|laptop | kergoth: not necesarrily. run ppp over it or something |
| 22:16.40 | kergoth | treke|laptop: oh, thats true |
| 22:16.50 | kergoth | treke|laptop: vtun to my house, get out from there |
| 22:16.51 | kergoth | or something |
| 22:16.59 | kergoth | course i'd need net access at my house :) |
| 22:17.13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:19.05 | treke|laptop | kergoth: monster? |
| 22:19.18 | kergoth | monster's goin away |
| 22:19.22 | kergoth | remember, he's getting that new box |
| 22:19.28 | treke|laptop | ah |
| 22:19.33 | treke|laptop | thought monster was back |
| 22:20.09 | kergoth | fuck |
| 22:20.14 | kergoth | i lost my cell |
| 22:20.37 | TheMasterMind1 | call it |
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| 22:22.34 | ljp_laptop | car? work? home? bar? |
| 22:22.42 | ljp_laptop | where else could it be? |
| 22:22.58 | kergoth | has to be in the car, work, or home |
| 22:23.08 | kergoth | i checked the house this morning, the car on the way to work, and work today |
| 22:23.11 | kergoth | i mustve missed it |
| 22:23.13 | kergoth | grr |
| 22:24.10 | ljp_laptop | ya, call it |
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| 22:40.15 | ljp_laptop | hey! I have Ir on this lappie! I can test Ir transfers without xcompile->upload zaurus |
| 22:40.15 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 22:40.15 | ljp_laptop | crap I think I disabled it in bios |
| 22:40.23 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 22:51.09 | chouimat|busy | arrrgggg |
| 22:51.19 | kergoth | chouimat: ? |
| 22:51.27 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm piss off |
| 22:51.37 | kergoth | chouimat: cant blame ya there |
| 22:51.41 | ljp_laptop | better than being piss on |
| 22:51.42 | kergoth | treke|laptop: dare i ask? |
| 22:51.55 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: yup ... |
| 22:51.58 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 22:52.27 | treke|laptop | better to be pissed off than pissed on |
| 22:52.40 | chouimat | treke|laptop: :-P |
| 22:53.07 | treke|laptop | kergoth: been using a really shitty LCD all day |
| 22:53.24 | treke|laptop | got a nasty nasty headache |
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| 22:53.41 | pb_ | treke|laptop: suck. |
| 22:53.49 | Neo|Work | I'm using this shitty 17" monitor currently |
| 22:54.16 | ljp_laptop | beats using an old vga |
| 22:54.18 | treke|laptop | 17 inch lcd at 1024x768 |
| 22:54.20 | ljp_laptop | 14" |
| 22:54.28 | ljp_laptop | 640x400 |
| 22:54.31 | Neo|Work | I have these really bad eyes |
| 22:55.02 | Neo|Work | worse than having a bad monitor since it's hard to upgrade or fix them (they have errors not fixable by glasses or soft lenses, only special hard lenses) |
| 22:55.13 | chouimat | ok time to reboot with the new kernel |
| 22:55.20 | chouimat | brb |
| 22:56.44 | ljp_laptop | astigmatism? |
| 22:57.06 | kergoth | i should see an eye doctor myself, i have one bad eye |
| 22:57.20 | kergoth | i havent worn glasses or contacts in years because my right eye makes up for the left, so i can see without em |
| 22:57.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:57.46 | Neo|Work | I have a condition which results in thinning cornea which in turns results in the eye becoming uneven |
| 22:58.14 | Neo|Work | kind of like what happens to a ball with high pressure air if a part of it is much thinner |
| 22:58.16 | ljp_laptop | oh |
| 22:58.29 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:58.47 | Neo|Work | it's non-fixable except hard lenses (which I must do at some point) or cornea transplant (which sounds like about the ultimate unfun experience) |
| 22:59.02 | Neo|Work | it was sped up A LOT by having LASIK when I shouldn't have had it |
| 22:59.24 | Neo|Work | unfortunately there wasn't enough evidence (most critical part was "lost" when the company that did it disappeared) |
| 22:59.29 | kergoth | i take it you dont advocate lasik then eh |
| 22:59.56 | Neo|Work | well, no |
| 23:00.12 | Neo|Work | LASIK is fine, just doing go to a chop shop like I did (and did without really knowing) |
| 23:00.26 | Neo|Work | one of those "exams here, do it in canada for cheap" kind of deals |
| 23:00.35 | kergoth | ahhh gotcha |
| 23:00.47 | Neo|Work | my condition is notoriously hard to detect early on however |
| 23:01.27 | Neo|Work | and those places are known for not being the most careful too |
| 23:02.06 | ljp_laptop | true. they dont really even know astigmatism all that well. |
| 23:02.43 | Neo|Work | if you do it, do it right and pay the price, which might be 1500-2500 per eye |
| 23:03.07 | Neo|Work | also consider the newer method which inserts a soft ring in the eye (kind of like a permanent lense) |
| 23:03.09 | Neo|Work | it's reversible |
| 23:03.18 | Neo|Work | and more easily adjustable too |
| 23:03.26 | ljp_laptop | ouch |
| 23:03.30 | ljp_laptop | sounds painful |
| 23:03.35 | Neo|Work | nah |
| 23:03.47 | Neo|Work | do you know how LASIK works? |
| 23:03.52 | Neo|Work | it's more intrusive than that |
| 23:04.16 | Neo|Work | with lasik they cut a round flap, fold it up and bombard the eye with the laser |
| 23:04.31 | Neo|Work | all while you're awake and have to concentrate looking right into the laser |
| 23:04.39 | Neo|Work | freaky experience |
| 23:05.59 | ljp_laptop | ewww |
| 23:06.22 | kergoth | that new method you mention sounds cool |
| 23:06.23 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:06.35 | Neo|Work | smells like burnt hair too |
| 23:07.06 | Neo|Work | yeah, it's definitely better in that it's more easilt adjusted and not permanent. Don't remember what it's called though. |
| 23:08.21 | kergoth | my mom got lasik, and her eyes keep healing and undoing what they did |
| 23:08.28 | kergoth | she's been in like 6 times now |
| 23:08.40 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 23:10.22 | Neo|Work | ouch |
| 23:10.31 | Neo|Work | that sounds almost strange |
| 23:10.42 | Neo|Work | even though adjustments aren't rare per se |
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