| 00:00.12 | treke | kergoth: I always just hit 0 |
| 00:00.18 | noda | ditto |
| 00:00.31 | kergoth | 'ZERO is not a valid response' |
| 00:00.52 | treke | "I'd like to speak to a real person. Either the someone in foo department or someone in the your cancelation department" |
| 00:01.02 | treke | doesnt work with mortgages though :p |
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| 00:25.37 | kergoth | hrm |
| 00:26.16 | ljp_laptop | hrm x2 |
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| 00:38.51 | noda | Moo! |
| 00:48.32 | noda | ibot: message for kergoth: RT looks neat. I'll see what I can do to put it in maybe a week or two from now, if time permits. Possible customization to fit in with the OpenZaurus styles will have to wait a bit longer. |
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| 01:43.37 | sonix` | dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb << does that copy everything in sda to sdb? |
| 01:43.59 | ljp_laptop | try it |
| 01:44.48 | sonix` | i thought so. |
| 01:45.11 | sonix` | man dynamism better get the friggen c750 yo! |
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| 01:51.17 | hunterkll | how do i install gcc on the ipaq/ |
| 01:51.32 | treke | find an ipk for it |
| 01:55.57 | sonix` | its somewhere in killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 01:56.47 | hunterkll | how big? |
| 01:57.00 | sonix` | *shrug* |
| 01:57.02 | sonix` | go look |
| 02:06.16 | kergoth`bbl | god i suck at managing finances |
| 02:06.21 | kergoth`bbl | i should go buy quicken |
| 02:06.49 | hunterkll | heh |
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| 02:07.23 | ljp_laptop | kergoth`bbl: try running bc ;) |
| 02:07.37 | treke | gnucash |
| 02:08.20 | sonix` | haha |
| 02:08.27 | kergoth`bbl | gnucash any good? |
| 02:08.43 | treke | kergoth`bbl: its free. you're broke |
| 02:09.00 | kergoth`bbl | thats good enough |
| 02:09.01 | kergoth`bbl | :) |
| 02:09.02 | ljp_laptop | I use opie checkbook |
| 02:09.09 | ljp_laptop | thats free also |
| 02:09.17 | hunterkll | and it's pretty good |
| 02:09.24 | treke | opie-qashmoney biznitch |
| 02:10.02 | kergoth`bbl | do recurring todos work in opie-todo yet? |
| 02:10.05 | kergoth`bbl | I need those for bills |
| 02:10.07 | kergoth`bbl | heheh |
| 02:10.13 | ljp_laptop | one thing about those programs., you have to have money to really be able to use them |
| 02:10.21 | treke | kergoth`bbl: the ui is there |
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| 02:13.30 | ljp_laptop | kergoth`bbl: set it up on a auto transfer |
| 02:14.06 | treke | autotransfer needs money to work :) |
| 02:15.40 | ljp_laptop | he'll have it soon |
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| 02:18.01 | hunterkll | how do i select where an ipk (gcc) installs to? |
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| 02:18.11 | hunterkll | i wanna get it to the cf card (/mnt/hda) |
| 02:18.36 | ljp_laptop | commandline? |
| 02:18.56 | hunterkll | yes |
| 02:19.52 | ljp_laptop | -d |
| 02:19.59 | hunterkll | whats the full line |
| 02:20.06 | ljp_laptop | depends |
| 02:20.11 | ljp_laptop | try -d hda |
| 02:20.16 | hunterkll | no |
| 02:20.18 | hunterkll | the full comman |
| 02:20.20 | ljp_laptop | or maybe -d cf |
| 02:20.21 | hunterkll | command |
| 02:20.33 | ljp_laptop | ipkg --help |
| 02:20.45 | ljp_laptop | or ipkg |
| 02:20.48 | hunterkll | no good |
| 02:20.55 | hunterkll | hyperterminal cuts it up |
| 02:21.17 | ljp_laptop | ipkg install -d cf package.ipk |
| 02:21.37 | hunterkll | ah |
| 02:21.41 | ljp_laptop | depends on what destinations you have configured |
| 02:21.45 | hunterkll | ipkg.conf has a dest /mnt/hda |
| 02:21.53 | hunterkll | the word for it is ext |
| 02:24.34 | ljp_laptop | make it so |
| 02:24.55 | hunterkll | ipkg install gcc -d ext |
| 02:24.57 | hunterkll | right? |
| 02:25.55 | ljp_laptop | uhh no |
| 02:26.13 | ljp_laptop | ipkg install -d ext gcc.ipk |
| 02:26.56 | hunterkll | how do i remove an ipkg? |
| 02:27.09 | ljp_laptop | ipkg remove |
| 02:27.12 | ljp_laptop | maybe |
| 02:27.35 | ljp_laptop | grab a web browser, and google for ipkg |
| 02:31.00 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 02:51.07 | sonix` | w00t! dynamism got the C750! |
| 02:52.37 | ljp_laptop | heh |
| 02:52.44 | ljp_laptop | send me one |
| 02:53.09 | sonix` | alright, you send me a c700 an dwe have a deal |
| 02:54.28 | ljp_laptop | how about a 5000d, with a microphone built in? |
| 02:55.15 | sonix` | alright. deal. |
| 02:55.20 | sonix` | as soon as I get it i'll ship it out. |
| 02:56.32 | _Psycho_ | you flashed oz yet sonix ? |
| 02:56.42 | sonix` | no. |
| 02:56.45 | sonix` | i wont. |
| 02:57.01 | sonix` | i'm trying to get the c750 in the very near future. |
| 02:57.04 | _Psycho_ | omg, going to take a beer then ! |
| 02:57.09 | sonix` | heh |
| 02:57.16 | _Psycho_ | oh i thought you has one |
| 02:57.24 | _Psycho_ | had* |
| 02:57.27 | _Psycho_ | anyway later =p |
| 02:57.41 | sonix` | i wish |
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| 03:41.47 | treke | just realized that I didnt write down the cell number for the support rep I'm supposed to cal in 20 minutes :p |
| 03:42.01 | treke | thankfully he's the one on call tonight |
| 03:42.20 | sonix` | whats proxim? |
| 03:44.25 | treke | proxim? |
| 03:51.30 | sonix` | yeah |
| 03:51.31 | sonix` | proxim |
| 04:18.16 | effy-kun | sonix: sup? |
| 04:19.24 | sonix` | nothin |
| 04:19.35 | sonix` | dynamism got the C750 |
| 04:19.39 | sonix` | not sure if i should get it from them or you |
| 04:19.47 | effy-kun | you got my email? |
| 04:19.50 | sonix` | yeah |
| 04:20.02 | sonix` | i didnt read the second one |
| 04:21.01 | effy-kun | how much is Dynamism? |
| 04:21.21 | sonix` | 699 |
| 04:21.25 | sonix` | but full warantee |
| 04:21.32 | effy-kun | interesting |
| 04:21.40 | effy-kun | might be better, even if it is much more expensive |
| 04:22.21 | sonix` | i dont know really. |
| 04:22.34 | sonix` | yours comes about 100 dollar cheaper |
| 04:22.49 | sonix` | so its really 100 bucks for warantee |
| 04:24.30 | treke | "this is interesting" <-- not words you want to hear support say ad 9:30pm |
| 04:24.55 | sonix` | heh |
| 04:31.43 | effy-kun | lol |
| 04:36.08 | sonix` | effy-kun: are you japanese? |
| 04:36.15 | effy-kun | no |
| 04:36.17 | effy-kun | American |
| 04:36.20 | sonix` | o i c. |
| 04:36.25 | sonix` | what do you do for living? |
| 04:36.32 | effy-kun | computers |
| 04:36.40 | sonix` | you do computers? |
| 04:36.51 | effy-kun | yessir |
| 04:37.02 | sonix` | as in, build them, sell them or create them? |
| 04:37.19 | effy-kun | well, just about everything except selling and sexing them |
| 04:37.25 | sonix` | gotcha. |
| 04:37.51 | sonix` | do you work for a big company? |
| 04:49.42 | effy-kun | not now hehe |
| 04:51.57 | effy-kun | you're from Sudan? |
| 04:52.17 | sonix` | yup. |
| 04:57.51 | sonix` | effy-kun: since when have you lived in jpn? |
| 04:59.00 | effy-kun | about 4 years |
| 04:59.08 | effy-kun | are you arab or negroid? |
| 04:59.18 | sonix` | when did you learn the language(s)? |
| 04:59.19 | sonix` | heh |
| 04:59.26 | sonix` | arab i guess? |
| 04:59.31 | effy-kun | long time ago |
| 04:59.39 | sonix` | Sudanese -> Egyptian -> Turkish |
| 04:59.50 | sonix` | cool. |
| 04:59.51 | effy-kun | I was just reading about Sudan and the civil war, etc. |
| 04:59.54 | sonix` | heh |
| 05:00.05 | sonix` | did you find any american propaganda about slavery there? |
| 05:00.11 | sonix` | that happened to start in 1989?? |
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| 05:01.04 | effy-kun | the articles I was reading only mentioned rumors of slave trading |
| 05:01.12 | sonix` | ok |
| 05:01.26 | sonix` | if you believe there's slavery in Sudan, believe there's slavery in america. |
| 05:01.48 | effy-kun | so you can verify that there is no slavery in Sudan? |
| 05:06.04 | sonix` | so, what kind of government do they have in JPN? |
| 05:06.04 | sonix` | Japanese ppl are against the War on Iraq :) |
| 05:06.30 | sonix` | can you verify there is no slavery in USA? |
| 05:06.41 | djr | heh |
| 05:06.49 | djr | i think pres bush should be tried for war crimes |
| 05:06.51 | treke | you cant prove the nonexistance of something :) |
| 05:07.15 | djr | we attacked them because they 'have' weapons of mass destruction... so where are these weapons of mass destruction? |
| 05:07.16 | sonix` | can you prove the existance of Weapons of Mass Destruction? |
| 05:07.18 | sonix` | lol |
| 05:07.29 | treke | you can prove the existance of something |
| 05:07.51 | djr | but, you know, i wouldnt put it past the US to plant some weapons of mass destruction there just to cover up |
| 05:08.08 | treke | good for you |
| 05:08.31 | sonix` | think of it logically, Sudan, since its independence in 1956 (i think) had no claims of slavery |
| 05:08.31 | sonix` | even during imperial times no one said there is slavery |
| 05:08.31 | sonix` | the current regime is pro-islamic, therefore the US doesnt like them |
| 05:08.46 | sonix` | and since they took control of the state through a coup d'etat, they've be defaming them |
| 05:09.08 | sonix` | they attacked a pharmaceutical factory claiming it produces Chemical weapons for Osama. |
| 05:09.38 | sonix` | djr well they said they found two trucks that are "mobile chemical weapons labs" but have absolutely no trace of biological agents. |
| 05:09.43 | effy-kun | most Japanese people I met were behind the US |
| 05:09.46 | sonix` | or chemical agents |
| 05:09.49 | sonix` | i get them mixed up. |
| 05:09.52 | sonix` | meh. |
| 05:10.05 | effy-kun | sure, the US plants evidence |
| 05:10.13 | effy-kun | when they find evidence, I'll believe it haha |
| 05:10.23 | sonix` | its a fascist state. |
| 05:10.28 | effy-kun | sure |
| 05:10.30 | sonix` | there's nothing you can do about it. |
| 05:10.31 | djr | sonix`: even then, two trucks isnt really enough to qualify it... they found missiles that can go 150 miles... where was the threat to us? |
| 05:10.41 | sonix` | they said they KNOW he has weapons, should be easy to locate then. |
| 05:10.55 | sonix` | they found no SCUDs. |
| 05:11.17 | sonix` | at least ones pointed at israel. |
| 05:11.24 | sonix` | because i know they hit kuwait once. |
| 05:11.45 | effy-kun | many times |
| 05:11.53 | sonix` | many times? |
| 05:12.02 | sonix` | i thought they hit that market once. |
| 05:12.17 | effy-kun | hit the market once yeah |
| 05:12.26 | sonix` | but they had something going towards kuwait but were shot down by patriot missiles. |
| 05:12.35 | sonix` | but they didnt confirm that they were scuds. |
| 05:13.03 | effy-kun | others hit kuwait |
| 05:13.17 | sonix` | uuh |
| 05:13.19 | sonix` | if you say so. |
| 05:13.43 | effy-kun | well, I could never expect a Sudanese to understand America anyways. You have seen your own propaganda as well, it would seem. |
| 05:13.57 | effy-kun | I trust American power far more than I could Saddam's |
| 05:14.08 | sonix` | heh. |
| 05:14.26 | effy-kun | I think people missed the point, big time. |
| 05:14.30 | effy-kun | the war was nothing. |
| 05:14.39 | sonix` | its no war, its an invasion. |
| 05:14.41 | effy-kun | It's what happens after the war they should be most worried about. |
| 05:14.49 | effy-kun | no doubt about that |
| 05:18.29 | sonix` | whats effy-kun? |
| 05:18.40 | effy-kun | the thing I dont like is that the invasion only enforced UN sanctions, yet the US shouldnt even consider the UN anymore. |
| 05:18.48 | effy-kun | effy is short for effigy, my former nick ;) |
| 05:18.57 | sonix` | and kun? |
| 05:19.05 | sonix` | your new nick? |
| 05:19.06 | sonix` | heh |
| 05:19.19 | effy-kun | kun is a suffix for boys |
| 05:19.25 | effy-kun | well, younger males |
| 05:19.31 | sonix` | in japanese? |
| 05:19.34 | effy-kun | yes |
| 05:19.51 | sonix` | so, how many languages do you need to know to live in tokyo? |
| 05:20.01 | effy-kun | hmmmmm, well, depends hehe |
| 05:20.07 | sonix` | or which languages. |
| 05:20.14 | sonix` | Kanji is the main one right? |
| 05:20.20 | sonix` | or is that an alphabet? |
| 05:20.21 | effy-kun | well, Japanese and English is definitely good enough |
| 05:20.28 | effy-kun | Kanji are Chinese characters. |
| 05:20.51 | sonix` | Japanese itself is a language? |
| 05:20.56 | sonix` | i thought there are different types |
| 05:20.57 | effy-kun | kana is the alphabetic part |
| 05:20.59 | sonix` | just like in china |
| 05:21.08 | effy-kun | different types? |
| 05:21.14 | effy-kun | no, just one, Japanese |
| 05:21.14 | sonix` | how they have cantonese, mandarin and such. |
| 05:21.20 | sonix` | oh that makes life easier. |
| 05:21.47 | sonix` | would arabic help me? |
| 05:21.48 | sonix` | :) |
| 05:22.08 | sonix` | french? |
| 05:22.15 | sonix` | damnit, i wanna go to japan. |
| 05:22.25 | sonix` | word on the street is that japanese people suck pretty bad at english. |
| 05:22.48 | sonix` | and high school is so damn hard, if you fail the final exam, you kill yourself. |
| 05:22.55 | effy-kun | arabic? only if you work at an arabic restaurant hehe |
| 05:23.08 | effy-kun | lol, silly Sudanese propaganda |
| 05:23.08 | effy-kun | ;) |
| 05:23.12 | sonix` | haha |
| 05:30.00 | sonix` | effy-kun: i thought your bank is citi-bank |
| 05:30.50 | sonix` | yo i gotta switch out my hard drive. gotta put it in this guy's xbox |
| 05:30.50 | sonix` | brb. |
| 05:48.42 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 06:15.29 | effy-kun | night chouimat |
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| 07:11.53 | cmartin | morning zzZZZ |
| 08:53.29 | Twiun | mornin' |
| 08:53.39 | treke|home | morning |
| 09:06.04 | mickeyl | moin |
| 09:09.38 | mickeyl | g'night. different timezones are crazy... i just got up :) |
| 09:09.52 | Twiun | yeah, same here |
| 09:09.59 | treke|home | 2am here |
| 09:10.06 | Twiun | 10am for me |
| 09:10.10 | mickeyl | k, then it's time for ya' to catch some z's |
| 09:10.14 | mickeyl | 11am for me |
| 09:10.18 | mickeyl | where are you located Twiun? |
| 09:10.35 | Twiun | mickeyl: I'm in London in the UK |
| 09:10.47 | Twiun | how about yourself? |
| 09:10.57 | mickeyl | ah nice, I've always wanted to visit the UK sometimes. I'm in Frankfurt/Germany. |
| 09:11.46 | Twiun | hehe, the UK's nothing much to look at :) |
| 09:12.02 | mickeyl | how bout scotland? |
| 09:12.16 | treke|home | <Twiun> where is that? |
| 09:12.45 | mickeyl | anyone in Bergen, Norway? I will be there for a conference in june. |
| 09:13.12 | Twiun | treke|home: Europe? |
| 09:13.25 | Twiun | Sol 3? |
| 09:14.01 | mickeyl | ahh cool |
| 09:14.18 | mickeyl | ucb1x00 |
| 09:14.26 | mickeyl | that will make tslib integraton pretty easy |
| 09:14.28 | Twiun | one less thing to worry about :) |
| 09:14.34 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 09:15.09 | mickeyl | sorry for having turned the discussion to hardware while we just started talking about travelling ;) |
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| 09:18.38 | Twiun | no worries - I was about to ask about changing the default console font |
| 09:19.15 | mithro | beep |
| 09:19.26 | mickeyl | good question... no idea - maybe via kernel command line arguments to the framebuffer? |
| 09:19.29 | mickeyl | hiho mickeyl |
| 09:19.31 | Twiun | hey mithro |
| 09:19.31 | mickeyl | argh |
| 09:19.33 | mickeyl | hiho mithro |
| 09:19.35 | Twiun | hahahaha |
| 09:19.39 | mithro | how is everyone today? |
| 09:19.47 | Twiun | nackered |
| 09:19.48 | mickeyl | pretty good... the day has started :) |
| 09:20.18 | cmartin | mickeyl: my qt/e patch didn't seem to apply to your image last night, since the touchscreen on my simpad image does work, but tslib would be nice ;) |
| 09:20.48 | killefiz | mickeyl: i wonder whether no reaction on the simpad-list is a good or rather a bad sign |
| 09:21.40 | cmartin | killefiz: maybe juergen and walti have to discuss thing first ;) |
| 09:22.16 | killefiz | they could also have other work to do ;) |
| 09:24.01 | cmartin | killefiz, mickeyl: maybe their not to fond about us pushing OPIE so fast - they are the original porters of X to the SIMpad |
| 09:25.15 | mickeyl | cmartin: i just started looking at tslib integration |
| 09:25.34 | cmartin | mickeyl: ok |
| 09:25.55 | mickeyl | seems pretty straightforward as COLLIE (Zaurus SL5xxx) is also using ucb1x000 |
| 09:26.02 | mickeyl | killefiz: i think it is a good reacton :) |
| 09:26.05 | mickeyl | reaction even |
| 09:26.24 | cmartin | mickeyl: then i wouldn't have to maintain the qt/e patch in later versions ;-) |
| 09:39.41 | mickeyl | anyone knowing offhand how if and how i can use || in a Makefile, e.g. |
| 09:40.25 | mickeyl | if ( defined ( CONDA || CONDB ) ) |
| 09:40.28 | mickeyl | or the like? |
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| 09:51.05 | mickeyl | cmartin: what ts.conf did you use to get tslib running? |
| 09:58.27 | cmartin | oh, that's some time ago |
| 09:59.12 | mickeyl | did it just work using |
| 10:00.04 | cmartin | it worked right away after compiling on the skiffs |
| 10:00.06 | mickeyl | http://www.opensound.com/pguide/oss.pdf |
| 10:00.14 | mickeyl | cut'n'paste error |
| 10:00.23 | mickeyl | cmartin: yes, but for what configuration? |
| 10:00.49 | mickeyl | TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/touchscreen/ucb1x00 |
| 10:00.49 | mickeyl | TSLIB_TSEVENTTYPE=UCB1x00 |
| 10:00.49 | mickeyl | export TSLIB_TSDEVICE TSLIB_TSEVENTTYPE |
| 10:00.55 | mickeyl | does that look familiar to you? |
| 10:00.57 | mickeyl | and |
| 10:00.59 | mickeyl | module linear |
| 10:01.00 | mickeyl | ? |
| 10:01.21 | cmartin | just a moment |
| 10:01.36 | cmartin | cmartin scans his HD |
| 10:02.04 | mickeyl | ok |
| 10:02.35 | mickeyl | i need to know parameters, i don't want to spend lots of time in trial and error here :) |
| 10:02.44 | mickeyl | module variance xlimit=50 ylimit=50 pthreshold=100 |
| 10:02.46 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.48 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.55 | mickeyl | that kind of stuff |
| 10:04.03 | cmartin | sorry, i must have forgotten to back that up when i changed employers :( |
| 10:04.17 | cmartin | but i do remember using the defaults |
| 10:04.34 | cmartin | those published as an example |
| 10:05.53 | cmartin | but like i said once before - the example programs with tslib seemed to work, but qt/e ignored my inputs |
| 10:06.33 | cmartin | mickeyl: i just added your screenies to opensimpad.org - is that o.k.? |
| 10:07.20 | mithro | hrm my build root won't build :( |
| 10:07.23 | mithro | * Libc: (libc). C library. |
| 10:07.23 | mithro | install-info: replacing existing dir entry for `libc' |
| 10:07.23 | mithro | make[4]: *** [install] Error 139 |
| 10:07.24 | mickeyl | cmartin: suer, nice |
| 10:07.29 | mickeyl | sure eve |
| 10:07.32 | mickeyl | even |
| 10:07.38 | cmartin | mickeyl: i'm trying to polish the site up, so we have something representable when our first image gets released ;) |
| 10:07.49 | mithro | anyone any idea? |
| 10:07.52 | mickeyl | cmartin: good :) |
| 10:08.07 | mickeyl | mithro: which gcc, which libc? |
| 10:08.56 | mithro | glib-2.2.4 |
| 10:11.13 | mithro | wouldn't happen to know what an Error 139 is? |
| 10:11.30 | mickeyl | no sorry |
| 10:11.35 | mickeyl | never had a problem while building libc though |
| 10:12.18 | mithro | it just seems to be complaining about info pages... |
| 10:12.54 | mithro | this time i got |
| 10:12.55 | mithro | * Libc: (libc). C library. |
| 10:12.56 | mithro | install-info: creating new section `GNU Libraries:' |
| 10:12.56 | mithro | install-info: no sections yet, creating Miscellaneous section too. |
| 10:14.52 | mithro | o well try make -k :) |
| 10:14.58 | mithro | i'm not after glibc anyway... |
| 10:19.42 | Twiun | why does every simpad screenie use the liquid theme? |
| 10:20.20 | mickeyl | because it's cool? :) |
| 10:20.41 | mickeyl | or maybe because they have been generated in hurry |
| 10:20.51 | Twiun | I'll go for the second answer :) |
| 10:21.00 | mickeyl | tis true |
| 10:21.33 | Twiun | not to say that the liquid theme doesn't look nice - it just got old really quickly |
| 10:21.57 | mickeyl | cmartin: i just bk pushed an uptodate TODO in packages/kernel-simpad. you might want to update the todo on opensimpad.org. but please don't just copy it... make it a bit user friendly :)) |
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| 10:30.31 | cmartin | mickeyl: just got a respmse from Nils Faerber and wrote back |
| 10:30.37 | mickeyl | hehe me too |
| 10:30.39 | cmartin | s/ response |
| 10:30.50 | mickeyl | padding an image is funny |
| 10:30.58 | mickeyl | when the bootloader does not burn 32 MB images |
| 10:31.22 | cmartin | mickeyl: yes, but i tried that - it's similar to my devnull image I made too |
| 10:31.35 | mickeyl | so you could burn a 32 MB image?? |
| 10:31.38 | cmartin | yes, that's the other problem |
| 10:31.41 | mickeyl | when i tried, the bootloader refused to |
| 10:31.53 | cmartin | yes it does |
| 10:31.58 | cmartin | refuse i mean |
| 10:32.03 | mickeyl | k |
| 10:43.54 | cmartin | mickeyl: why do i get something like this every time i run "bk pull": |
| 10:44.03 | cmartin | packages/opie/Makefile writable but not edited? |
| 10:44.03 | cmartin | Will not overwrite edited packages/opie/Makefile |
| 10:44.04 | cmartin | resolve: RESYNC directory left intact. |
| 10:44.40 | Twiun | sounds like you haven't checked in your checked out files |
| 10:45.26 | cmartin | well i only edit things if i have problems, i didn't add anything that should be bk pushed |
| 10:45.49 | Twiun | even so, you can't pull unless they're checked in locally |
| 10:45.59 | cmartin | how? |
| 10:46.03 | Twiun | bk citool |
| 10:46.11 | cmartin | k |
| 10:46.16 | Twiun | check them in, but don't commit the changeset |
| 10:46.34 | Twiun | also, how are you editting your files? |
| 10:46.35 | zecke_ | Twiun: is it known that CF-Cards don't get mounted? |
| 10:46.55 | Twiun | zecke_: you're having the same problem? |
| 10:47.00 | zecke_ | Twiun: is it normal the the /mnt/ram dir isn't in newly created images? |
| 10:47.09 | Twiun | zecke_: dunno about /mnt/ram |
| 10:47.22 | zecke_ | Twiun: Stefan Eilers has with stock OZ. And I've with my custom compiled buildroot |
| 10:47.34 | zecke_ | Twiun: the /mnt/ram was on the opie-devel ML |
| 10:47.45 | Twiun | zecke_: quick fix for cf cards is kill the cardmgr process and restart it (with the card in) - pop the cf card out and back in |
| 10:48.04 | Twiun | zecke_: the cf thing I saw only over the past three days |
| 10:48.05 | cmartin | zecke_: i can second the comment from Twiun -my images don't have /mnt/ram |
| 10:48.06 | mickeyl | bbl - going to eat something |
| 10:48.14 | zecke_ | hi mickeyl |
| 10:48.32 | zecke_ | Twiun: this trick won't survive a reboot?! |
| 10:48.43 | mickeyl|lunch | cmartin: because you did manual edits to the file without telling bitkeeper |
| 10:48.53 | mickeyl|lunch | you must do "bk edit" and then "bk ci" to save changes |
| 10:49.00 | mickeyl|lunch | remember, you have an own repository - its not like cvs |
| 10:49.03 | mickeyl|lunch | now off for lunch |
| 10:49.11 | Twiun | zecke_: I realise - I did say quickfix |
| 10:49.20 | Twiun | zecke_: I don't actually know what the root cause is |
| 10:49.58 | Twiun | cmartin: also look at the bitkeeper help pages - there's a way to make your normal edit command do all the legwork of checking out files |
| 10:50.57 | zecke_ | Twiun: hotplug is responsible for mounting? |
| 10:51.21 | Twiun | zecke_: should be |
| 10:51.47 | zecke_ | Twiun: how should this agent be called? |
| 10:52.15 | Twiun | zecke_: I don't know enough about that to tell you :( |
| 10:52.30 | Twiun | zecke_: I just know that it 'just works'... most of the time |
| 10:53.53 | cmartin | Twiun: funny thing is the file packages/opie/Makefile isn't shown up in bk citool |
| 10:56.08 | Twiun | cmartin: do a bk -r co -q at the top level |
| 10:56.34 | Twiun | cmartin: all this stuff is in the docco :) |
| 10:56.35 | cmartin | but my bk pull isn't finishing - isn't that a problem |
| 10:56.55 | Twiun | cmartin: forget about the pull for now |
| 10:57.05 | Twiun | cmartin: have to have a sane repo before you can pull |
| 10:57.31 | cmartin | ok, so i should do - bk edit;bk ci; bk -r co -q ?? |
| 10:57.58 | zecke_ | cmartin: -r is IIRC read only or was that the -q |
| 10:58.07 | zecke_ | cmartin: you don't to have a read only check out |
| 10:58.18 | Twiun | -q is quiet |
| 10:58.21 | Twiun | afaik |
| 10:58.31 | Twiun | I'm just spouting stuff that works for me :) |
| 10:59.00 | Twiun | and I thought -r was recursive? |
| 11:13.57 | zecke_ | for cf cards is kill the cardmgr process and |
| 11:15.37 | Twiun | restart it with the card in, pop the card out then back in |
| 11:15.46 | Twiun | df should then show it as being mounted |
| 11:16.02 | zecke_ | opps sorry |
| 11:16.09 | Twiun | lol |
| 11:22.23 | Twiun | http://ridah.net/stuff/safety.jpg |
| 11:23.23 | zecke_ | lol |
| 11:29.13 | tassian | Twiun: lol! :-) |
| 11:32.07 | zecke_ | Twiun: cardmgr trick is not working here |
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| 12:14.12 | zgogo | mornin |
| 12:15.39 | zgogo | anyone running mysql on his/her z? |
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| 12:28.33 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
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| 12:33.34 | Umaro | are there any special quirks I need to worry about with cross-compiling the orinoco driver? |
| 12:36.01 | mickeyl|lunch | no |
| 12:36.20 | Umaro | cool.. I am going to try to patch it and get scanning support. :) |
| 12:38.00 | mickeyl | we already did that |
| 12:38.18 | mickeyl | ipkg install orinoco-modules |
| 12:40.45 | Umaro | oh. :) |
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| 13:22.09 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 13:22.53 | absentiaS | re |
| 13:23.02 | Twiun | I double 're' you! |
| 13:26.15 | ljp_laptop | re re re |
| 13:26.42 | mickeyl | Anyone knowing what ODevice::setSoftSuspend(bool) is for? what is a "soft suspend" ? |
| 13:27.04 | Twiun | mickeyl: lcd off maybe? |
| 13:27.09 | Twiun | mickeyl: don't know for sure |
| 13:29.25 | mickeyl | Twiun: no. lcdoff is setDisplayStatus(bool) |
| 13:29.26 | mickeyl | :) |
| 13:29.43 | mickeyl | there's a bunch of ipaq specific code in it, but i don't understand it. |
| 13:29.51 | mickeyl | thought someone does maybe |
| 13:30.04 | mickeyl | it's a pity sandman left us |
| 13:30.23 | Twiun | what happened to him? |
| 13:30.42 | mickeyl | no idea - i think he just got too busy for doing opie work |
| 13:31.17 | Twiun | bah, who needs opie? "cat $stuff > /dev/fb0" is all we need |
| 13:31.32 | mickeyl | cmartin: read my last msg? |
| 13:32.04 | mickeyl | cmartin: re: updating TODO list on opensimpad.org. |
| 13:32.33 | cmartin | mickeyl: yes - that's why i was trying to bk pull |
| 13:32.37 | mickeyl | aha ok |
| 13:32.41 | mickeyl | cmartin: does it work now? |
| 13:33.03 | cmartin | mickeyl: yes i had to do bk resolve |
| 13:33.07 | mickeyl | okay |
| 13:33.31 | cmartin | oh and there was something else, that was causing the problem: |
| 13:33.57 | cmartin | i didn't know that i was supposed to use bk vi when editing |
| 13:34.24 | cmartin | i had changed the rights of the file so i could edit directly - that was the problem ;) |
| 13:34.36 | cmartin | new to bk |
| 13:34.36 | mickeyl | ah yeah. bk edit is your friend :) |
| 13:34.46 | mickeyl | welcome on board... been through this also |
| 13:34.52 | mickeyl | now i happen to really like bk |
| 13:34.56 | ljp_laptop | F# ?!?! |
| 13:35.00 | mickeyl | because it is just better than cvs |
| 13:35.02 | mickeyl | ljp ? |
| 13:35.47 | ljp_laptop | on /. |
| 13:35.55 | ljp_laptop | MS has new language - F# |
| 13:36.09 | mickeyl | F# ?? |
| 13:36.10 | mickeyl | reallyß |
| 13:36.15 | mickeyl | link? |
| 13:36.21 | mickeyl | ah /. |
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| 14:15.29 | zgogo | ok gotta go |
| 14:15.31 | zgogo | ciao |
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| 14:23.16 | mickeyl | re |
| 14:24.56 | absentiaS | f# |
| 14:24.56 | absentiaS | heheh |
| 14:25.09 | absentiaS | I liked the trend micro blocking all emails with the letter p |
| 14:25.10 | absentiaS | :-) |
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| 16:58.24 | Twiun | http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=65245&cid=6023639 |
| 16:58.30 | Twiun | bwahahahaha |
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| 17:02.12 | Twiun | hey pb_ |
| 17:02.27 | pb_ | Twiun: g'day |
| 17:37.27 | Twiun | We've got to find the guy who designed this ui: http://web.archive.org/web/20020127105319/www.iarchitect.com/images/mlstab.gif |
| 17:37.40 | Twiun | imagine what he could fit on a Z's screen :) |
| 17:45.16 | ||ugh | Good /. quote Twiun! |
| 17:57.19 | schurig | Twiun: that picture will get a price for "worst use of neon-like olors in images" :-) |
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| 18:10.36 | treke | kergoth: hehehe tech support for our phones broke the #1 rule of tech support |
| 18:10.49 | treke | kergoth: never assume the user hasnt done something incredibly stupid |
| 18:11.30 | pb_ | heh. what had you done? |
| 18:12.07 | treke | pb_: we had two clock chips in our pbx ( supposedly that is something they had never seen anyone try doing) |
| 18:13.13 | Neo|Work | 2 storey? Wtf? :) |
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| 18:54.04 | mickeyl | kergoth: ping |
| 19:11.34 | mickeyl | anyone familiar with tslib ? |
| 19:13.25 | mickeyl | hmm... everyone hides in silenece |
| 19:13.28 | mickeyl | silence even |
| 19:19.14 | mickeyl | schurig: ping |
| 19:23.31 | Twiun | I'm 'ere!! |
| 19:23.42 | Twiun | just not very active atm - and no idea about tslib |
| 19:23.43 | mickeyl | hey Twiun... tslib expert? |
| 19:23.47 | mickeyl | mmh |
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| 19:26.32 | mickeyl | Dessimat0r: familiar with tslib ? |
| 19:27.04 | Dessimat0r | nope |
| 19:27.05 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 19:27.25 | Dessimat0r | I can't even code in C/C++.. yet ;) |
| 19:33.56 | mickeyl | yippeeeeeeeeeee |
| 19:34.16 | pb_ | happy to see prpplague leave? |
| 19:34.21 | mickeyl | lol |
| 19:34.31 | mickeyl | SIMpad is happily using tslib |
| 19:35.04 | pb_ | heh, cool |
| 19:36.22 | Dessimat0r | how much does the SIMpad cost in £s? |
| 19:37.01 | mickeyl | Sugar: what is 330 EUR in UKP |
| 19:37.04 | Sugar | In what? |
| 19:37.10 | mickeyl | hmm... hows that called? |
| 19:37.22 | pb_ | GBP |
| 19:37.47 | Dessimat0r | Sugar: what is 330 EUR in GBP |
| 19:37.49 | Sugar | 330 EUR is 235.32788 GBP |
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| 19:38.08 | cmartin | hi |
| 19:38.08 | Dessimat0r | Still a bit expensive |
| 19:38.11 | Dessimat0r | yo |
| 19:38.27 | pb_ | Giving the UK a country code of "GB" was not necessarily one of ISO's smarter moves. |
| 19:38.31 | mickeyl | cmartin: als hättest Du es gerochen :) |
| 19:38.38 | mickeyl | cmartin: my SIMpad is using tslib |
| 19:38.39 | Dessimat0r | yeah lol |
| 19:38.40 | mickeyl | :-) |
| 19:38.50 | cmartin | great |
| 19:39.02 | cmartin | what did you do? |
| 19:39.17 | cmartin | s/it |
| 19:39.28 | Dessimat0r | Means 'Great Britain'. No idea what makes this country so 'great' ;) |
| 19:39.32 | mickeyl | compile tslib, use an appropriate config, and check "Qt/Embedded - use tslib" |
| 19:39.37 | mickeyl | that's basically all :) |
| 19:39.46 | mickeyl | well in reality it was a bit harder but.... |
| 19:39.53 | mickeyl | what gives - it works now! :) |
| 19:40.20 | cmartin | where did you get the config or did you just experiment a bit? |
| 19:40.38 | mickeyl | cmartin: its basically the config from the Zaurus which has the same touchscreen :-D |
| 19:40.46 | mickeyl | ucb1x00 |
| 19:41.14 | mickeyl | cmartin: D'oh. Opie just suspended my SIMpad.... guess that means triggering suspend from opie now also works hehe... now just crossing fingers that it wakes up again :-D |
| 19:41.49 | cmartin | did you work in the switch stuff into opie? |
| 19:41.50 | Dessimat0r | http://www.smed.com/solutions/products/simpad/techspec.pdf << Haha, I love this specification - 'Open Programming Platform - Windows CE 3.0' |
| 19:42.30 | mickeyl | cmartin: no. i thought that was your task ? :-D |
| 19:42.35 | mickeyl | killefiz: really? |
| 19:42.38 | mickeyl | killefiz: what's new? |
| 19:42.39 | cmartin | killefiz: what was that? |
| 19:42.48 | killefiz | an erase function |
| 19:42.53 | killefiz | check your email |
| 19:43.00 | mickeyl | can't atm |
| 19:43.24 | cmartin | killefiz: nothing there |
| 19:43.26 | killefiz | Hi everybody, I have made a new bootloader now the new option is called: |
| 19:43.40 | killefiz | Erase Flash 'y' <====================New |
| 19:43.55 | mickeyl | damn. |
| 19:44.01 | cmartin | hey, that was fast - good job juergen!!! |
| 19:44.01 | mickeyl | freeze after wake up |
| 19:44.08 | killefiz | cmartin: it seems that juergen has forgotten to add your address - i'll bounce it to you |
| 19:44.27 | cmartin | wasn't it sent to the list? |
| 19:44.52 | killefiz | cmartin: no - it's a sl4 only / developer only release |
| 19:44.57 | mickeyl | i wonder if it can burn large images now |
| 19:45.10 | mickeyl | suspend/resume has problems |
| 19:45.14 | mickeyl | kernel wise |
| 19:45.54 | mickeyl | and i wonder why that boot takes sooo long |
| 19:46.06 | cmartin | cmartin is fealing very forgotten in the SIMpad dev team |
| 19:46.48 | cmartin | sorry i take that back, mail just came in from juergen ;) |
| 19:47.13 | killefiz | cmartin: that could also be the bounce i've sent you? |
| 19:51.01 | cmartin | no it's from juergen |
| 19:51.08 | killefiz | fine |
| 19:51.24 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 19:51.32 | mickeyl | haha |
| 19:51.36 | mickeyl | that overwhelmed his pc |
| 19:51.49 | killefiz | it seems that the cannot flash big images bug has been introduced in bl 2.5 |
| 19:52.23 | Dessimat0r | ah crap, its 1,000 e-mails from jurgen! <boom> |
| 19:52.50 | mickeyl | killefiz: no. i have 2.4 and it doesn't work - at least for linux images. wince flash fine |
| 19:53.25 | killefiz | mickeyl: ok - i found an email from nils stating that he was able to flash large images after downgrading to 2.4 - maybe only on his simpad |
| 19:54.21 | mickeyl | hmmm |
| 20:02.42 | killefiz | i'm flashing opensimpad-220503.jffs2 now with the new bootloader |
| 20:02.55 | mickeyl | good luck |
| 20:04.09 | killefiz | mickeyl: it will take a while - still on serial |
| 20:28.22 | killefiz | mickeyl: it works |
| 20:29.16 | mickeyl | killefiz: great. that makes one showstopper less. |
| 20:30.44 | schurig | mickeyl: pong |
| 20:31.13 | mickeyl | schurig: too late solved my tslib issues on my own :)) |
| 20:31.33 | mickeyl | schurig: i have done enough opie work for today. will watch tv now . |
| 20:31.44 | mickeyl | schurig: SIMpad uses tslib now and its working great |
| 20:32.09 | chouimat | back |
| 20:32.13 | schurig | mickeyl: sounds good |
| 20:32.32 | schurig | not sure if anything good comes now in TV :-) |
| 20:32.52 | schurig | killefiz: new bootloader? Which one? |
| 20:33.38 | chouimat | schurig: there iss nothing on thne here right now beside soap-opera and golf |
| 20:34.01 | schurig | oh, that doesn't make me go to canada |
| 20:34.18 | chouimat | schurig: :) |
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| 20:43.33 | chouimat | http://sourceforge.net/projects/pykbuild/ |
| 20:44.34 | schurig | chouimat: they have a wonderful web site :-) |
| 20:45.50 | schurig | chouimat: is chouimat and chewie_chuyee the same person? |
| 20:48.46 | killefiz | schurig: there is a new unofficial simpad bootloader that has an "erase flash" option |
| 20:49.26 | schurig | killefiz: so, do some Siemens people help a little bit in the background? |
| 20:50.05 | killefiz | schurig: yes - well not background - they're quite active and they've developed the X11 images |
| 20:50.10 | chouimat | schurig: ? |
| 20:50.30 | chouimat | chouimat:no |
| 20:50.51 | schurig | chouimat: I went to the URL you posted and read this name in some python file. And for a non-french speaker it sounded like an abbreviation of your name |
| 20:51.34 | chouimat | ~lart schurig |
| 20:51.38 | chouimat | :) |
| 20:52.53 | yeiazel | chouimat, programming python ? hahahahahaha :))) |
| 20:53.19 | yeiazel | it would have been possible for a visual basic program :) |
| 20:55.49 | schurig | yeiazel: hmm, maybe he's a COBOL programmer in disguise? |
| 20:56.03 | yeiazel | cobol ? too hard for him |
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| 21:00.28 | ljp_laptop | weatherbot: weather kbjc |
| 21:00.51 | ljp_laptop | poop |
| 21:01.09 | ljp_laptop | chouimat: where's weatherbot? |
| 21:06.21 | Dessimat0r | Isn't the Simpad the same price as the Zaurus? What extra functionality over the Z does it have? |
| 21:07.12 | killefiz | Dessimat0r: i has a microphone and a speaker |
| 21:07.34 | Dessimat0r | ah, a proper one? Not just a piezeo one? |
| 21:07.43 | killefiz | and it's much bigger - 800x600 8.4" screen |
| 21:07.50 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:07.54 | Dessimat0r | I see ;) |
| 21:07.56 | killefiz | it's a webpad |
| 21:08.02 | killefiz | see http://www.opensimpad.org |
| 21:08.05 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 21:08.23 | Dessimat0r | nice site ;) |
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| 21:10.36 | Dessimat0r | looking good :D |
| 21:10.50 | Dessimat0r | opensimpad, that is |
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| 21:11.57 | Dessimat0r | chouimat: start a war :D |
| 21:12.01 | yeiazel | violence is the weapon for weak ppl |
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| 21:52.43 | ljp_laptop | yo |
| 21:52.59 | pb_ | hi ljp |
| 21:54.23 | ljp_laptop | hey. what up? |
| 21:55.03 | pb_ | nothing much going on here. a little light ipaq driver debugging. |
| 21:55.06 | ljp_laptop | uuid.h makes me think of birth control devices |
| 21:55.16 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:55.39 | ljp_laptop | hmm, sounds fun |
| 21:56.47 | ljp_laptop | hmm, still getting headhunter emails |
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| 22:42.08 | chouimat | hey ljp_laptop |
| 22:42.23 | ljp_laptop | hi |
| 22:42.29 | ljp_laptop | where's weatherbot? |
| 22:42.45 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: at the hospital |
| 22:43.07 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: just forgot to restart it last week |
| 22:55.44 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 22:55.52 | ljp_laptop | this waiting sucks |
| 22:56.14 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: visa? |
| 22:58.28 | ljp_laptop | ya |
| 22:58.32 | ljp_laptop | I just wanna go |
| 22:58.42 | ljp_laptop | if I get denied, I am screwed |
| 23:02.14 | ljp_laptop | heh |
| 23:02.44 | chouimat | ?? |
| 23:04.47 | ljp_laptop | I have too much stuff |
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| 23:06.47 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: happy? |
| 23:09.16 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 23:10.25 | ljp_laptop | heh |
| 23:10.33 | ljp_laptop | weatherbot: weather kbjc |
| 23:10.41 | ljp_laptop | no. not happy. |
| 23:10.47 | ljp_laptop | it shoudl work, also |
| 23:10.56 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: yah |
| 23:29.23 | ljp_laptop | weatherbot: weather kbjc |
| 23:36.51 | ljp_laptop | chouimat: ok, now fix weatherbot, please |
| 23:37.38 | chouimat|away | ljp_laptop: later or tomorrow |
| 23:53.18 | bipolar | ,,,0.o,,, |
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| 23:57.28 | bipolar | hmmm.... awefuly quiet |
